From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:13:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FE937B409; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6935343F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAF91C365D; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id AE86A3FE8; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:13:23 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:13:23 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141323.AE86A3FE8@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! 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Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:15:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0414837B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956DA43FBD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381591C389C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id D7E113D0A; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:21 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:21 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141521.D7E113D0A@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:15:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C75337B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7610243FAF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1991C395F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 0E82EE4B9; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:32 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141532.0E82EE4B9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:15:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6592F37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0304143FBD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AC51C36BE; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 972043B53; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:57 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:57 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141557.972043B53@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:16: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB9337B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2685343FBD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737841C3ACB; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 29ECC3DC5; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:15:43 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141543.29ECC3DC5@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:16:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD97137B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638DC43FAF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19511C39E9; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 92D08E4B9; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:19 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141619.92D08E4B9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:16:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC66037B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C4C43FE9; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D31E1C3B1F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 093C73A40; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:53 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:53 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141653.093C73A40@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:17: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB24C37B407; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C4043FDF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44A81C39BC; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 71220E4B9; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:16:37 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141637.71220E4B9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:17:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394EE37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B6543FDD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1D01C36BE; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id EE0F83EBB; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:34 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141734.EE0F83EBB@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:17:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC3337B409; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFCA43FE3; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951141C3896; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 5FA004179; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:14 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:14 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141714.5FA004179@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:17:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C09637B4AC; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431DB43FBD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEE41C36BE; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id A207A3F02; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:52 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:17:52 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141752.A207A3F02@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:18:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B4637B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD2143F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980571C36BE; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3DC824186; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141816.3DC824186@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:18:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D790F37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195E343FA3; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00D11C3F1F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 614C83EBC; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:32 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:32 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141832.614C83EBC@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:18:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF2E37B408; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1145243F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA911C3B9C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3237A3B6B; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:54 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:18:54 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141854.3237A3B6B@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:19: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B8737B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4892A43FB1; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCFB1C39E8; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id CB9C63EBC; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:05 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141905.CB9C63EBC@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:19:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFBE37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92DB43F93; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36921C3B56; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6BA3C3ABD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:16 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141916.6BA3C3ABD@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:19:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD00837B40B for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.arcor-ip.de (mail1.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8924543F93 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Friedemann.Becker@student.uni-tuebingen.de) Received: from chasey (212.144.228.174) by mail1.arcor-ip.de (5.5.034) id 3E1E8763001EACF7 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:19:17 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:24:20 +0100 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Westeurop=E4ische_Normalzeit?=) From: Friedemann Becker To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: what about sysinstall Message-ID: X-X-Sender: zxmxy33@mailserv02.uni-tuebingen.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I was wondering, who is working on sysinstall, and if something like a graphical sysinstall2 is planned. It's about time, I think, to add a graphic-based installer to FreeBSD and I would like to know, if there's allready people working on it, or not. If there's something to do for a programmer, let me know... Friedemann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:19:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C9637B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E18643F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C74C1C36BE; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id D7F783F0D; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:37 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141937.D7F783F0D@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:19:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B2F37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30B443FDD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09281C3B1F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id B10C23AC3; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:49 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209141949.B10C23AC3@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:20:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3505937B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2571443FDF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DC11C4041; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 11C3B411C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:02 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142002.11C3B411C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:20:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC01837B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE6E43FA3; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E77C1C3B9C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id F360B39A3; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:35 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142035.F360B39A3@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:20:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5FE37B413; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3F843FCB; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AEC1C3D16; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 736CD3A74; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142017.736CD3A74@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:21:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B059337B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88EE43FBD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056DB1C3E77; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id D0FD74152; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:48 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:20:48 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142048.D0FD74152@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:21:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C43E37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0A843FD7; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0841C4041; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 125303A69; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:02 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142102.125303A69@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:21:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E477437B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D87E43FDD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1C71C3896; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2D02D11E8C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:30 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:21:30 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142130.2D02D11E8C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:22: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A837B37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93A443FA3; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932F01C3B9C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 57A8B3BB6; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:01 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142201.57A8B3BB6@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:22:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7602237B405; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6250343FD7; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EED21C3C58; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 0E5693A03; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:18 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:18 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142218.0E5693A03@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:23: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CEF37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F30343FA3; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0431C4095; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id C32953EF7; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:37 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142237.C32953EF7@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:23:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B0E37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D5A43FE0; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542411C3C58; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 13FC540C6; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:03 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142303.13FC540C6@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:23:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E6E37B40F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2706243FAF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83831C3EF2; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9013D399C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142250.9013D399C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:23:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE3637B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91CE43F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9337C1C3C9B; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 553764365; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:29 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:29 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142329.553764365@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:23:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9003237B405; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65FB43F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586A41C4055; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 439E73EBC; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142316.439E73EBC@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:23:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087AE37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A38743FB1; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F621C3B9C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 237F7E4B9; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:57 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142357.237F7E4B9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:24:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931D237B679; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8246D43FBD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E484E1C3C9B; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id D48BC40DC; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142417.D48BC40DC@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:24:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529E037B4E9; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.arcor-ip.de (mail1.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CD543F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Friedemann.Becker@student.uni-tuebingen.de) Received: from chasey (212.144.228.174) by mail1.arcor-ip.de (5.5.034) id 3E1E8763001EAD3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:24:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:29:30 +0100 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Westeurop=E4ische_Normalzeit?=) From: Friedemann Becker To: Matthew Dillon Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: subscribe In-Reply-To: <20030209141752.A207A3F02@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: References: <20030209141752.A207A3F02@sitemail.everyone.net> X-X-Sender: zxmxy33@mailserv02.uni-tuebingen.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Matthew Dillon wrote: > subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org ich kenn dich nicht und es interessiert mich auch normalerweise nicht, aber warum muss ich immer deinen namen lesen, wenn irgendwer irgendwo anfaengt zu nerven? und irgendwie bist es immer du, es ist mir auch scheissegal, ob du meine mail verstehst oder nicht, und auch ist mir wurscht, ob du d3er richtige adressat bist oder nicht, aber ES GEHT MIR AUF DEN SACK! SHUT UP, FUCK OFF, VERPISS DICH regards, friedemann ------ please ignore this mail if either - the above cited mail was not sent intentionally - you are not the originator of the above cited email - you really just wanted to subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:24:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8493037B43F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171F543FAF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133E91C3B9C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id C48B4399C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:29 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:29 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142429.C48B4399C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:24:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51A037B405; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B72243F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCC51C3D82; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id B4CC13F59; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:40 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:23:40 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142340.B4CC13F59@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:25:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6458B37B42A; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BFC43FB1; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA681C3B9C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 982E911E8C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:12 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142512.982E911E8C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:25:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4802437B405; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4C743F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16201C3D58; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 99F204147; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:27 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:27 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142527.99F204147@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:25:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E15A37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460C843F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283021C3C7E; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 0C2673B75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:43 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142543.0C2673B75@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:25:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8611037B405; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E8F43F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253A31C3715; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id D1CFF4147; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:44 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:24:44 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142444.D1CFF4147@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:26: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869C337B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B831943F93; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AACA1C3A62; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 4DCAD3CB1; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:58 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142558.4DCAD3CB1@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:26:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE4337B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283EF43FDF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:26:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CD11C3B9C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id B0DF94486; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:26:13 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142613.B0DF94486@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:26:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D59437B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1E343F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:26:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C421C3ED0; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3B0143ADE; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:26:34 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:26:34 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142634.3B0143ADE@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:27: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069B937B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C4143F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA281C3C9B; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id EC19D4478; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:03 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:03 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142703.EC19D4478@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:27:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E955237B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067EC43FA3; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88751C3D75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 7539E3B5C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:33 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:33 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142733.7539E3B5C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:27:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F415137B410; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA33543FD7; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86C11C410D; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 8B4353CB2; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142717.8B4353CB2@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:28: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9543537B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0652E43F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:28:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C831C3E93; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id BA4E34489; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:28:03 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:28:03 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142803.BA4E34489@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:28:11 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3BB37B405; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:28:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BE143F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:28:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0951C3EFA; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id E7F723E11; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:47 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:27:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142747.E7F723E11@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org subscribe freebsd-chat@freebsd.org -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:29:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3471337B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A7943FB1; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:29:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8981C3F1E; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 14A9E3D95; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:29:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:29:42 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142942.14A9E3D95@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:30:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E08037B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AB043FBF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869D71C3DF2; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 582403B6E; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:10 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:10 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143010.582403B6E@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:30:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82A637B406; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313EF43FBF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35441C3BAE; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 46EFC3963; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:29:54 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:29:54 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209142954.46EFC3963@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:30:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E95237B42F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A109C43F93; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5AF1C3F52; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 33A4A4160; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:22 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143022.33A4A4160@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:30:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6D037B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CA343F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2F41C3D75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id AC9FE4161; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:35 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143035.AC9FE4161@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:31: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A50D37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB443FB1; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4EF1C3F43; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 0AF27E4B9; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:57 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143057.0AF27E4B9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:31:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D644B37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491E643F93; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:31:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241BF1C3F43; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id ECE513E0C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:31:27 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:31:27 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143127.ECE513E0C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:32: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE74A37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:31:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ADF43FD7; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:31:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872F11C3FBF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 71F75401A; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:31:58 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143158.71F75401A@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:32:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7063C37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BC743F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC71B1C37B9; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id B3ED03D65; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:10 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:10 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143210.B3ED03D65@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:32:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8713637B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB31F43FEA; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBDB1C3F2E; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 05057399C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:28 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143228.05057399C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:33:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED27537B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1362143F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C3E1C3E05; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1ADD011E8C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:50 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:32:50 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143250.1ADD011E8C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:33:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4ED337B407 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f143.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54E543FBF for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howcanthisbe300@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:12 -0800 Received: from 217.224.3.103 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 14:33:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.224.3.103] From: "How Can ThisBe" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Remote terminal and startx issue Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 14:33:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2003 14:33:12.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CC361E0:01C2D048] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To be honest I'm not sure if this is a bug, feature, user configuration issue or a security problem. (so point me in the right direction if I'm lost) Basically startx can be run from a remote terminal, which will spawn XFree86 on the local console (display 0). If XFree86 is already running, the remote terminal displays an (expected) XFree86 error about the display 0 already being active. After a CTRL+C a core dump is issued for the window-manager (only tested with Blackbox). uname -a FreeBSD XX.YY.ZZ 5.0-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE-p1 #0: Tue Feb 4 23:45:23 CET 2003 tigger@XX.YY.ZZ:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PIGLET i386 XFree86 is XFree86-4.2.0_1,1 from the ports. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:33:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E198A37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5728C43F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F271C3A99; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6BC8711E8C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:02 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:02 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143302.6BC8711E8C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:33:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5B637B407; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB0343FE0; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662EF1C3D3B; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 31F913CF6; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:14 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:14 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143314.31F913CF6@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:34: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0148337B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CD743F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2081C3F43; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3402D39C5; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:06 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143406.3402D39C5@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:34:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2AA37B40D; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2194C43FBD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7BE1C3E38; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3DA5B3D72; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:50 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:33:50 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143350.3DA5B3D72@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:34:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F9F37B405; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE3A43FDF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF12E1C3F4A; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id A593911E8C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143431.A593911E8C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:34:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BC837B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A1643F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBCD1C3F2E; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id A0F324625; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:20 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:20 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143420.A0F324625@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:35: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2525337B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD64143F93; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447B41C3B31; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 14E153F72; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:41 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:34:41 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143441.14E153F72@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:35:11 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B7D37B406; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC00243FB1; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E7E1C409D; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 4E2443FBB; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:07 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143507.4E2443FBB@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:35:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29D937B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.arcor-ip.de (mail1.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC6543FA3 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Friedemann.Becker@student.uni-tuebingen.de) Received: from chasey (212.144.228.174) by mail1.arcor-ip.de (5.5.034) id 3E1E8763001EADE9 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:35:17 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:40:19 +0100 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Westeurop=E4ische_Normalzeit?=) From: Friedemann Becker To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: matthew dillon Message-ID: X-X-Sender: zxmxy33@mailserv02.uni-tuebingen.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry folks, I don't know, who this mathew dillon guy really is, or how important he is for the FreeBSD project, but I don't think, he should be on any of the freebsd mailing lists or any related facilities, if he just can't keep with some of the most basic rules of communication. It may be "adequate" or something like normal in irc channels or even usenet groups - although it should not - to behave this childish way, but I think at least on the freebsd mailing lists, there should be a little standard of etiquette or what it's called. I know I am not the first one thinking this way, the replies will probably be the same as every time before. Please accept my apologizes if I should hit the wrong person, but someone really does not behave in a acceptable way here and I just wanted to complain about it, to let people know, that freebsd-* is no place for private quarrels or neuroses. --- sorry for my bad english, etc, I'm new to freebsd/unix/bla etc, blubblubblub, a very disappointed bsd fan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:35:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED34C37B405; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D2743F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31831C4059; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 8D98C3D0A; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143522.8D98C3D0A@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:35:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E78D37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35B543FCB; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1974B1C3F43; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id E144541B2; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:51 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:35:51 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143551.E144541B2@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:36:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0973337B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAB843FAF; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C641C3EFA; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 049643EF2; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:10 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:10 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143610.049643EF2@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:36:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC01A37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFADD43F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6431C40CC; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 4CBC53FC2; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:31 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143631.4CBC53FC2@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:37: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D949F37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699FE43FD7; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0A51C3ED0; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 991C13F59; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:36:43 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143643.991C13F59@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:37:11 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D22137B407; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C1F43FE3; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9759E1C40DE; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6D1193D58; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:08 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143708.6D1193D58@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:37:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA28737B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A149B43F93; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E5B1C409D; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2683B3FF7; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:38 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143739.2683B3FF7@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:37:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BF737B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417AF43F75; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6080F1C4055; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 5376E11E8C; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:25 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:37:25 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143725.5376E11E8C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:38:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E3737B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F8343FF5; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@heavynoize.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B651C409D; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id B7EF33B43; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:38:15 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: sorry Reply-To: dillon@heavynoize.net X-Originating-Ip: [68.164.33.2] Message-Id: <20030209143815.B7EF33B43@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [19:22] Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _____________________________________________________________ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:52:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF7037B433 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from storming.org (MG034063.user.veloxzone.com.br [200.165.34.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A9904402D for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:52:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fred@storming.org) Received: (qmail 2093 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Feb 2003 12:52:36 -0200 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:52:36 -0200 From: Fred Souza To: Friedemann Becker Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matthew dillon Message-ID: <20030209145236.GA1476@torment.storming.org> Reply-To: fred@storming.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Sender: fred@storming.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I know I am not the first one thinking this way, the replies will probably > be the same as every time before. >=20 > Please accept my apologizes if I should hit the wrong person, but someone > really does not behave in a acceptable way here and I just wanted to > complain about it, to let people know, that freebsd-* is no place for > private quarrels or neuroses. I think it is more than obvious that this person is NOT Matthew Dillon (if you search on last couple of weeks, you'll see that the real Dillon does not even use that e-mail address). On the other hand, I've seen someone (or someones) attacking Dillon by trying to impersonate him here before. Maybe there is a reason for this, and maybe there isn't. But I really think this subscribe/sorry flooder is NOT the FreeBSD's Matthew Dillon. Fred --=20 "Debug is human, de-fix divine." --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+Rms0KbRS1GgW4fYRApL4AJ9WMhoaiTUxpDiXWxn8N5V/KQIt7gCeNDbb nlwz1s2E446cYOxf2QV59Ms= =0Kuo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:53:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F0D37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts11.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A8C43F3F for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:53:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from gabby.gsicomp.on.ca ([65.95.176.5]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20030209145348.VCTO2002.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@gabby.gsicomp.on.ca>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:53:48 -0500 Received: from hermes (hermes.gsicomp.on.ca [192.168.0.18]) by gabby.gsicomp.on.ca (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h19EogjC001963; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:50:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <00af01c2d04a$e948e0e0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matthew Emmerton" To: "Friedemann Becker" , References: Subject: Re: matthew dillon Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:52:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG These messages aren't from the *real* Matt Dillon, they're from a stupid troll who has been impersonating various FreeBSD developers for a few months now. This particular troll uses anonymous remailers so the postmaster is helpless to block email addresses or IP ranges. So, if the message looks like a fake, sounds like a fake, and is littered with profanities (such as the F*ck Fumerola Licence), then please assume this is the voice of the troll and is best ignored. -- Matt Emmerton > Sorry folks, > > I don't know, who this mathew dillon guy really is, or how important he is > for the FreeBSD project, but I don't think, he should be on any of the > freebsd mailing lists or any related facilities, if he just can't keep > with some of the most basic rules of communication. It may be "adequate" > or something like normal in irc channels or even usenet groups - although > it should not - to behave this childish way, but I think at least on the > freebsd mailing lists, there should be a little standard of etiquette or > what it's called. > > I know I am not the first one thinking this way, the replies will probably > be the same as every time before. > > Please accept my apologizes if I should hit the wrong person, but someone > really does not behave in a acceptable way here and I just wanted to > complain about it, to let people know, that freebsd-* is no place for > private quarrels or neuroses. > > --- > > sorry for my bad english, etc, I'm new to freebsd/unix/bla etc, > blubblubblub, > > a very disappointed bsd fan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:54:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14FC37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE4443F75 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:54:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([81.103.196.4]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030209145429.ZOJY2341.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:54:29 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20030209145025.035dea80@popserver.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@popserver.sfu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 14:54:26 +0000 To: Friedemann Becker , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Colin Percival Subject: Re: matthew dillon In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 15:40 09/02/2003 +0100, Friedemann Becker wrote: >I don't know, who this mathew dillon guy really is, or how important he is >for the FreeBSD project, but I don't think, he should be on any of the >freebsd mailing lists or any related facilities, if he just can't keep >with some of the most basic rules of communication. [snip] Matthew Dillon != Matthew Dillon . I'm guessing that Matthew Dillion is the same troll who has been (making a poor attempt at) forging email "from" controversial FreeBSD people for quite a long time now. Colin Percival To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 6:58: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A610337B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.xscanners.org (commons10k1.mo24.107.42.110.charter-stl.com [24.107.42.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86F143F3F for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:57:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djobes@xscanners.org) Received: from localhost.xscanners.org (localhost.xscanners.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.xscanners.org (xscanners.org) with ESMTP id DD070E84D; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:03:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.xscanners.org (localhost.xscanners.org [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.xscanners.org (VaMailArmor-2.0.1.7) id 06930-2EF39F0B; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 09:03:33 -0600 Received: from devel (unknown [192.168.1.17]) by mail.xscanners.org (xscanners.org) with SMTP id 3D3B2E84D; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:03:32 -0600 (CST) From: "David Jobes" To: "Friedemann Becker" , Subject: RE: matthew dillon Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:53:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.18.0.2; VDF: 6.18.0.6; host: zm.xscanners.org) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG well it really figures, here we going with another pissing contest http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/03/239238&mode=thread&tid=122&tid=1 56 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Friedemann Becker Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:40 AM To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: matthew dillon Sorry folks, I don't know, who this mathew dillon guy really is, or how important he is for the FreeBSD project, but I don't think, he should be on any of the freebsd mailing lists or any related facilities, if he just can't keep with some of the most basic rules of communication. It may be "adequate" or something like normal in irc channels or even usenet groups - although it should not - to behave this childish way, but I think at least on the freebsd mailing lists, there should be a little standard of etiquette or what it's called. I know I am not the first one thinking this way, the replies will probably be the same as every time before. Please accept my apologizes if I should hit the wrong person, but someone really does not behave in a acceptable way here and I just wanted to complain about it, to let people know, that freebsd-* is no place for private quarrels or neuroses. --- sorry for my bad english, etc, I'm new to freebsd/unix/bla etc, blubblubblub, a very disappointed bsd fan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 7: 1:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA77A37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.arcor-ip.de (mail1.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF2A43F3F for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:01:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Friedemann.Becker@student.uni-tuebingen.de) Received: from chasey (212.144.228.174) by mail1.arcor-ip.de (5.5.034) id 3E1E8763001EAF60 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:01:23 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:06:25 +0100 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Westeurop=E4ische_Normalzeit?=) From: Friedemann Becker To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Matthew Dillon Message-ID: X-X-Sender: zxmxy33@mailserv02.uni-tuebingen.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Again, please take my apologizes, especially Matthew, I am rather new to FreeBSD - not in therms of using but reading the lists etc - and I just was disappointed a lot, because a had to see, that there is sadly no big difference between IRC and the freebsd mailing lists. I know, one can't do very much against it and times won't change in a thousand years if you look at the social (dis-)abilities of internet users. I also know: don't feed the trolls, etc, but as I said above, I'm rather new to this and I think, I just have to get used to it and throw mails like this away I hope, I did not upset you too much, see you Friedemann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 7: 6:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8186537B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F4443F93 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:06:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h19F6qqV029128 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:06:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The Trolls identity (was: Re: matthew dillon) From: phk@phk.freebsd.dk In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 09 Feb 2003 09:52:47 EST." <00af01c2d04a$e948e0e0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 16:06:52 +0100 Message-ID: <29127.1044803212@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <00af01c2d04a$e948e0e0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca>, "Matthew Emmerton" w rites: >These messages aren't from the *real* Matt Dillon, they're from a stupid >troll who has been impersonating various FreeBSD developers for a few months >now. This particular troll uses anonymous remailers so the postmaster is >helpless to block email addresses or IP ranges. > >So, if the message looks like a fake, sounds like a fake, and is littered >with profanities (such as the F*ck Fumerola Licence), then please assume >this is the voice of the troll and is best ignored. We know that the lamer behind the Troll is "Bill Huey" aka "billh". All I personally know about him is that he was dot-com road-kill and that he think it is everybody else' fault. I'm not privy to the various arrangements that are being made for ridding ourselves of his pathetic existence. Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 7:43:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD44037B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4FB43F75 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h19FhooH002498; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h19FhokP002497; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:43:50 -0800 From: David Schultz To: Friedemann Becker Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: what about sysinstall Message-ID: <20030209154350.GC1390@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Friedemann Becker , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Friedemann Becker : > I was wondering, who is working on sysinstall, and if something like a > graphical sysinstall2 is planned. > It's about time, I think, to add a graphic-based installer to FreeBSD and > I would like to know, if there's allready people working on it, or not. > > If there's something to do for a programmer, let me know... According to the libh status page, they're working on it, but it's far from finished. I'm sure they would appreciate some help. The following address should give you more information and contacts: http://rtp1.slowblink.com/~libh/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 8:56:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E984237B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CB543FAF for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:56:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ino-qc@spotteswoode.de.eu.org) Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with asmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18hukm-0000Px-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:56:28 +0100 Received: from pd9501627.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.80.22.39] helo=spotteswoode.dnsalias.org) by mx0.freenet.de with asmtp (ID inode@freenet.de) (Exim 4.12 #2) id 18hukm-000616-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:56:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 9483 invoked by uid 0); 9 Feb 2003 16:56:26 -0000 Date: 9 Feb 2003 17:56:26 +0100 Message-ID: From: "clemens fischer" To: "Yury Tarasievich" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making pkg_XXX tools smarter about file types... References: <3E42C148.4050807@acm.org> <3E440393.3080506@grsu.by> In-Reply-To: <3E440393.3080506@grsu.by> (Yury Tarasievich's message of "Fri, 07 Feb 2003 21:05:55 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i386-unknown-freebsd4.6.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yury Tarasievich : > I'd like to see in dependencies not only like "was built with > -1.9_2abc, so wants it", but also something like -1.5+ (obviously > 1.5.0 and newer), -* (any version will do). Perhaps something else. At > least to have possibility of specifying that, if this can't go into > official ports. Does it seem reasonable? this problem has been annoying me for ages, but he who implements this should consider dependencies specified too liberally. sometimes newer versions aren't backwards compatible, which you can't know back in the past. clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 10:17:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F7E37B405 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238CE43FBF for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:17:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: from user-0cev12u.cable.mindspring.com ([24.239.132.94] helo=bluerondo.a.la.turk) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18hw14-0000KR-00 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:17:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 19747 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Feb 2003 18:17:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:17:22 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: phk@phk.freebsd.dk Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The Trolls identity (was: Re: matthew dillon) Message-ID: <20030209181722.GA19704@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <29127.1044803212@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (I assume I'm replying to the "real" PHK here) phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: > We know that the lamer behind the Troll is "Bill Huey" aka "billh". Is there any evidence for it? If so, you should share it and if not, you shouldn't make such accusations. > All I personally know about him is that he was dot-com road-kill > and that he think it is everybody else' fault. This may be true, but this troll doesn't fit the pattern with billh. We've already seen that billh is not reluctant to post extremely nasty mails, containing personal accusations, under his own name. Why would he do this troll thing? And why would he pretend to quote himself on irc in the latest spate of messages? I suspect that there's more than one troll -- if there is only one, he has a quite schizophrenic attitude towards (the real) Matt Dillon. R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 10:30:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9326537B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A08743F93 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:30:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chromexa@ovis.net) Received: from ovis.net (s18.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.85]) by ns1.ovis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9E03B32; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:30:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E469F2A.BA32A1CD@ovis.net> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 18:34:18 +0000 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: It used to be a quiet place Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Until the HUMANS got out of contro! IN the original quote it was: "It used to be a quiet neighborhood until the monkeys got out of control. Oh well sigh...Have a good day folks. Have Fun, Sends Steve P.S. I hope this doesn't stop the real information one gets by lurking/occassional communicating here. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 10:32:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A78B37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD1143FBF for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:32:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (Ugrondar@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h19IWqja065041; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:32:52 GMT (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: (from Ugrondar@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with UUCP id h19IWp04065040; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:32:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: storm.FreeBSD.org.uk: Ugrondar set sender to mark@grondar.org using -f Received: from grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h19IQBaX035066; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:26:11 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) From: Mark Murray Message-Id: <200302091826.h19IQBaX035066@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Trolls identity (was: Re: matthew dillon) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:17:22 EST." <20030209181722.GA19704@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 18:26:11 +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rahul Siddharthan writes: > (I assume I'm replying to the "real" PHK here) > phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: > > We know that the lamer behind the Troll is "Bill Huey" aka "billh". > > Is there any evidence for it? If so, you should share it and if not, > you shouldn't make such accusations. He admitted to it. M -- Mark Murray iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 10:43: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EB037B42C for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from kientzle.com (h-66-166-149-50.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.166.149.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5305643F85 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:43:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Received: from acm.org (UGLY.x.kientzle.com [66.166.149.51]) by kientzle.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h19IgLp25183; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:42:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Message-ID: <3E46A10D.6090409@acm.org> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:42:21 -0800 From: Tim Kientzle Reply-To: kientzle@acm.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: clemens fischer Cc: Yury Tarasievich , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making pkg_XXX tools smarter about file types... References: <3E42C148.4050807@acm.org> <3E440393.3080506@grsu.by> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG clemens fischer wrote: > Yury Tarasievich : >>I'd like to see in dependencies not only like "was built with >>-1.9_2abc, so wants it", but also something like -1.5+ (obviously >>1.5.0 and newer), -* (any version will do). > > ... sometimes newer versions aren't backwards > compatible, which you can't know back in the past. A better approach might be to simply fob it off on the user, i.e., # pkg_install foo-1.5 Warning: foo-1.5 requires bar-2.3, you have bar-1.7 installed. Proceed? [Y/n] Eventually, someone should teach pkg_install about fetch, so it could offer the option of downloading and installing the dependency. IIRC, Debian's package system handled this pretty elegantly---it even upgraded installed packages automatically---although their curses-based UI was ... erm .... "quirky." ;-) Tim Kientzle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 11:20:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AE937B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from geekpunk.net (adsl-154-184-139.bna.bellsouth.net [68.154.184.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CF743F93 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 11:20:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bandix@geekpunk.net) Received: from localhost.my.domain (taran [127.0.0.1]) by geekpunk.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h19JKiMl031872; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:20:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bandix@geekpunk.net) Received: (from bandix@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h19JKgqm031871; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:20:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bandix) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:20:42 -0600 From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: phk@phk.freebsd.dk Cc: FreeBSD-Hackers Subject: Re: The Trolls identity (was: Re: matthew dillon) Message-ID: <20030209192042.GG22375@geekpunk.net> References: <00af01c2d04a$e948e0e0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> <29127.1044803212@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <29127.1044803212@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 04:06:52PM +0100, phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: > > We know that the lamer behind the Troll is "Bill Huey" aka "billh". FWIW if you or someone else can establish guilt in this matter, it is actionable under 18 USC Sec. 1028[0]. If I were the real Matt Dillon I would call my local FBI field office and have a chat. Identity theft, is nothing anyone should have to put up with. You also might talk to a civil litigator, as there is likely a large amount of civil liability involved in identity theft. Someone teach this guy a lesson. [0] - http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1028.html Brandon D. Valentine -- brandon@dvalentine.com http://www.geekpunk.net "We've been raised on replicas of fake and winding roads, and day after day up on this beautiful stage we've been playing tambourine for minimum wage, but we are real; I know we are real." -- David Berman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 11:21: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC2337B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 11:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout2.freenet.de (mout2.freenet.de [194.97.50.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2BC43FA3 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 11:20:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ino-qc@spotteswoode.de.eu.org) Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with asmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18hx0X-0002f3-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 20:20:53 +0100 Received: from pd9501627.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.80.22.39] helo=spotteswoode.dnsalias.org) by mx5.freenet.de with asmtp (ID inode@freenet.de) (Exim 4.12 #2) id 18hx0X-00053o-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 20:20:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 10639 invoked by uid 0); 9 Feb 2003 19:20:52 -0000 Date: 9 Feb 2003 20:20:52 +0100 Message-ID: From: "clemens fischer" To: "Pawel Jakub Dawidek" Cc: "Giorgos Keramidas" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, zaks@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl Subject: Re: Missing commit bit [PATCH]. References: <20030204094840.E1A083ABB3B@milla.ask33.net> <20030205151033.GB94060@gothmog.gr> <20030205195309.GA71510@garage.freebsd.pl> In-Reply-To: <20030205195309.GA71510@garage.freebsd.pl> (Pawel Jakub Dawidek's message of "Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:53:09 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i386-unknown-freebsd4.6.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pawel Jakub Dawidek : [about removing matt d. committer bit] > If so, tell me now, please, what kind of reasons left, that can't be > shown in public forum? i'd be satisfied with the reasons that _can be_ shown in a public forum, because anything else can't be but personal and thus contra- productive to the common cause(tm). any politicians? clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 12:24:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F06337B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay.omnis.com (smtp-relay.omnis.com [216.239.128.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2FB43F3F; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:24:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.homeunix.net (66-75-151-22.san.rr.com [66.75.151.22]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1234313B; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:24:43 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr To: "clemens fischer" , "Pawel Jakub Dawidek" Subject: Re: Missing commit bit [PATCH]. Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:23:35 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: "Giorgos Keramidas" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, zaks@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl References: <20030204094840.E1A083ABB3B@milla.ask33.net> <20030205195309.GA71510@garage.freebsd.pl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200302091323.35681.wes@softweyr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday 09 February 2003 19:20, clemens fischer wrote: > Pawel Jakub Dawidek : > > [about removing matt d. committer bit] > > > If so, tell me now, please, what kind of reasons left, that can't be > > shown in public forum? > > i'd be satisfied with the reasons that _can be_ shown in a public > forum, because anything else can't be but personal and thus contra- > productive to the common cause(tm). Matt Dillon was removed from the ranks of committers for one simple reason: the Core Team asked him if he could in the future live up to the Committers Rules and he replied that he could not. We will do the same for anyone else. We hope anyone else who can't play by the rules will voluntarily resign rather than forcing us to take such action. Committers who break the rules but remain personally committed to meeting them are reminded in writing and occasionally by being suspended for a few days. The use of this mechanism has dropped off signficantly from when it was first implemented; I had hopes this meant the project was becoming a less adversarial place to work. Perhaps this can still come about. If you are a committer, this is a good opportunity to review the rules. If you are not a committer but are a contributor to FreeBSD, we welcome your input. We feel the rules are fair and necessary to useful interactions in a group as large as the FreeBSD community has grown. Please let us (the Core Team) know if you see anything in the Rules that is somehow unfair to individuals or groups, or otherwise objectionable. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/rules.html -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 12:28:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00E537B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.arcor-ip.de (mail1.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713F343F93 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:28:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lucius@student.uni-tuebingen.de) Received: from chasey.wg (213.23.57.107) by mail1.arcor-ip.de (5.5.034) id 3E1E8763001EC56C for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:28:45 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:33:48 +0100 (CET) From: Friedemann Becker X-X-Sender: lucius@chasey.wg To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Okay, I think I need some serious introduction ;-) (fwd) Message-ID: <20030209213329.W600@chasey.wg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Friedemann Becker writes: > > > I _really_ want to > > help, I think of myself as a quite potentially usefull programmer, but I > > need someones help here. > > > > If someone could please divert my unused engergies to the right direction :) > > You've not made clear what kind of help you need. Can you not find a PR > which you are capable of developing a fix for? What are your > capabilities? What kind of work are you willing and able to do? Are > you willing to work on documentation in your own or other language? Are > you willing to do grunt work like fixing a program's "Usage:" output? > Could you write a user-friendly "fdisk"? Could you replace some GNU > program with a new or updated old BSD version of the program (see > /usr/src/gnu/usr.*/*)? Have you checked out > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html ? I'm sure many projects > could use web site help. The "libh" project is working on probably one > of the most important improvements to FreeBSD (though I don't like their > approach). I've got some design ideas for what I think would be a very > useful documentation-finding tool that you could implement on your own. > Many programs could do better error reporting. I've got a list of > program problems, many of which could be fixed relatively simply. You > could either fix them or do research and write PRs for them. > > If nothing else, you could do valuable work by making a categorized and > ordered-by-importance and/or -ease-of-doing list of PRs and tasks for > people like you to tackle, so they needn't waste time reading about > never-to-be-fixed problems. (You'd first get agreement of important > freebsd-www person to add it to www.freebsd.org, maybe after showing > a partial draft version.) Okay, eeerrrrmmm.... :-) This was kind of helpful, thanks. I already had checked the above ressources, there's not nothing I could do, but more like too much to find the thing I'm looking for. But you gave me some good ideas to start with. "libh" for example indeed seems interesting to me, althoung I don't really understand what's the point about it exactly, but this will become clearer if I look a little bit deeper into it. Replacing GNU tools also sounds very exciting, I think this would be the best fit for me. And as for gnats.... it really needs a categorization, maybee I check this out, too, but first I'll try not to overreach myself with all this. Thanks for the help, even if I could not describe my problem quite well, but at least I think, I got the ideas I was looking for. Friedemann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 13:12:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409B837B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.arcor-ip.de (mail1.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B992243F75 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:12:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lucius@student.uni-tuebingen.de) Received: from chasey.wg (213.23.57.107) by mail1.arcor-ip.de (5.5.034) id 3E1E8763001EC7F6 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:12:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:17:11 +0100 (CET) From: Friedemann Becker X-X-Sender: lucius@chasey.wg To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: csrg sources Message-ID: <20030209221526.W600@chasey.wg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG is there a possibility to get the csrg sources of the unix tools (grep, sort, etc) if I don't got 99$ and don't want to have 4 CD's for it? cvs or something? Friedemann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 14: 2:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E7837B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C8843F93 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1098) id E9BCDAE265; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:02:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:02:15 -0800 From: Bill Fumerola To: Tim Kientzle Cc: clemens fischer , Yury Tarasievich , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making pkg_XXX tools smarter about file types... Message-ID: <20030209220215.GL20055@elvis.mu.org> References: <3E42C148.4050807@acm.org> <3E440393.3080506@grsu.by> <3E46A10D.6090409@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E46A10D.6090409@acm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-MUORG-20021112 i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 10:42:21AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > Eventually, someone should teach pkg_install > about fetch, so it could offer the option of > downloading and installing the dependency. > IIRC, Debian's package system handled this pretty > elegantly---it even upgraded installed packages > automatically---although their curses-based > UI was ... erm .... "quirky." ;-) you mean like ''pkg_add -r'' already does? -- - bill fumerola / fumerola@yahoo-inc.com / billf@FreeBSD.org / billf@mu.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 14:12:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FDA37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A583743F3F for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:12:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F04E49B for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:12:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CF7242FDB14; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:12:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:12:32 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: replacing GNU grep with UNIX grep. Message-ID: <20030209221232.GP393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <20030118050802.23784.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> <3E29D69A.C010C47E@bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG # des@ofug.org / 2003-02-03 13:20:04 +0100: > Sergey Babkin writes: > > Also the GNU grep has a lot more options, the most interesting > > of them being -r. > > Unfortunately, GNU grep's -r option is broken (it does not handle > symnlinks correctly). Try textproc/freegrep from ports instead. I believe the Subversion team has a BSD-like-licensed grep library. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 14:20:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B272037B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35D443FA3 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vadik@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from narn.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.43] ident=exim) by cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 18hzoJ-000LWi-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:20:27 +0200 Received: from vadik by narn.cs.huji.ac.il with local (Exim 3.22 #2) id 18hzoI-0006bt-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:20:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:20:26 +0200 From: Vadim Vygonets To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: csrg sources Message-ID: <20030209222026.GD23690@cs.huji.ac.il> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <20030209221526.W600@chasey.wg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030209221526.W600@chasey.wg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: UNIX (unfortunately) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoth Friedemann Becker on Sun, Feb 09, 2003: > is there a possibility to get the csrg sources of the unix tools (grep, > sort, etc) if I don't got 99$ and don't want to have 4 CD's for it? cvs or > something? Quick Googling turns up: ftp://ftp.luth.se/pub/OS/4.4BSD-Lite/4.4BSD-Lite2/usr/src/ Vadik. -- The reader this message encounters not failing to understand is cursed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 14:21:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E149037B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DBD43F3F for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:21:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h19MLbSJ017175; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:21:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h19MLbn0017174; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:21:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:21:37 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200302092221.h19MLbn0017174@apollo.backplane.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Tim Kientzle Subject: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) References: <200301312312.h0VNC5bQ007170@apollo.backplane.com> <3E3B1381.8050207@acm.org> <200302010150.h111oRFL007906@apollo.backplane.com> <3E3F438A.5040500@acm.org> <200302040651.h146p8Td041269@apollo.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Firewire Another EPIA M 9000 update. The built-in firewire works flawlessly under FreeBSD 4.x (firewire.ko and sbp.ko modules). When I connect up a firewire HD I get 30MB/s+ out of it. The same HD has a USB2.0 connector but for some reason I only get around 1MB/s via USB, even though FreeBSD seems to understand that it is USB 2.0. Unfortunately I was not able to boot the HD via the firewire or the USB. I don't know why, the BIOS has options for USB booting but it doesn't see the drive for some reason. Power consumption I also found a document that gave definitive power consumption for various EPIA systems: http://www.viamainboard.com/product/3/4/EPIA%20M%20Operating%20Guidelines.pdf Summary: EPIA M 9000 17-25W EPIA M E6000 16-22W EPIA 800 11-20W EPIA 5000 9-15W (5W idle, 15W playing DVD) (this is non-inclusive of any hard drives) Additional data point: My brother installed W2000 on one as a test and it performs considerably better running photoshop then his old P3-450 running W98. All VIA supplied drivers installed without a hitch and worked well, including the firewire driver, USB driver, video driver, and sound driver. His IPod software and a netgear USB wireless unit also installed without a hitch. (Which is quite amazing for Windows, even though one had to reboot a dozen times during the installation of the drivers. But, still, I am suitably impressed). -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 14:27: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF2037B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.arcor-ip.de (mail1.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679DF43F3F for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:27:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lucius@student.uni-tuebingen.de) Received: from chasey.wg (213.23.57.107) by mail1.arcor-ip.de (5.5.034) id 3E1E8763001ECC0A; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:27:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:32:07 +0100 (CET) From: Friedemann Becker X-X-Sender: lucius@chasey.wg To: Vadim Vygonets Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: csrg sources In-Reply-To: <20030209222026.GD23690@cs.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: <20030209233056.C600@chasey.wg> References: <20030209221526.W600@chasey.wg> <20030209222026.GD23690@cs.huji.ac.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Vadim Vygonets wrote: > Quoth Friedemann Becker on Sun, Feb 09, 2003: > > is there a possibility to get the csrg sources of the unix tools (grep, > > sort, etc) if I don't got 99$ and don't want to have 4 CD's for it? cvs or > > something? > > Quick Googling turns up: > ftp://ftp.luth.se/pub/OS/4.4BSD-Lite/4.4BSD-Lite2/usr/src/ > > Vadik. Thanks, I lack of google skillz ;) must have overlooked it.... Friedemann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 14:30: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA1437B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 114D243F85 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:29:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rooneg@electricjellyfish.net) Received: (qmail 64167 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2003 22:29:57 -0000 Received: from ool-182c87a2.dyn.optonline.net (HELO electricjellyfish.net) (24.44.135.162) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2003 22:29:57 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.44.135.162 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:29:57 -0500 Subject: Re: replacing GNU grep with UNIX grep. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org To: Roman Neuhauser From: Garrett Rooney In-Reply-To: <20030209221232.GP393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Message-Id: <049E47F2-3C7E-11D7-8601-000393CE23F4@electricjellyfish.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 05:12 PM, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > # des@ofug.org / 2003-02-03 13:20:04 +0100: >> Sergey Babkin writes: >>> Also the GNU grep has a lot more options, the most interesting >>> of them being -r. >> >> Unfortunately, GNU grep's -r option is broken (it does not handle >> symnlinks correctly). Try textproc/freegrep from ports instead. > > I believe the Subversion team has a BSD-like-licensed grep library. no, we don't. we have a BSD-like-licensed diff library that's coming along nicely, and hopefully will replace gnu diff/diff3 in subversion fairly soon, but not grep. -garrett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 14:50: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4104C37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:50:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAE243F85 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FE745E; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:50:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EEEA52FDB26; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:50:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:50:01 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Garrett Rooney Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: replacing GNU grep with UNIX grep. Message-ID: <20030209225001.GQ393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: Garrett Rooney , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <20030209221232.GP393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <049E47F2-3C7E-11D7-8601-000393CE23F4@electricjellyfish.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <049E47F2-3C7E-11D7-8601-000393CE23F4@electricjellyfish.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG # rooneg@electricjellyfish.net / 2003-02-09 17:29:57 -0500: > On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 05:12 PM, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > > ># des@ofug.org / 2003-02-03 13:20:04 +0100: > >>Sergey Babkin writes: > >>>Also the GNU grep has a lot more options, the most interesting > >>>of them being -r. > >> > >>Unfortunately, GNU grep's -r option is broken (it does not handle > >>symnlinks correctly). Try textproc/freegrep from ports instead. > > > > I believe the Subversion team has a BSD-like-licensed grep library. > > no, we don't. we have a BSD-like-licensed diff library that's coming > along nicely, and hopefully will replace gnu diff/diff3 in subversion > fairly soon, but not grep. doh, I'm an idiot. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 15:21:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024B137B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED50143F3F for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:20:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h19NDwjs023440; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:43:59 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: cain.gsoft.com.au: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Matthew Dillon Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Tim Kientzle In-Reply-To: <200302092221.h19MLbn0017174@apollo.backplane.com> References: <200301312312.h0VNC5bQ007170@apollo.backplane.com> <3E3B1381.8050207@acm.org> <200302010150.h111oRFL007906@apollo.backplane.com> <3E3F438A.5040500@acm.org> <200302040651.h146p8Td041269@apollo.backplane.com> <200302092221.h19MLbn0017174@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1044832299.5320.3.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 10 Feb 2003 09:43:58 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 08:51, Matthew Dillon wrote: > Another EPIA M 9000 update. The built-in firewire works flawlessly under > FreeBSD 4.x (firewire.ko and sbp.ko modules). When I connect up a > firewire HD I get 30MB/s+ out of it. The same HD has a USB2.0 connector > but for some reason I only get around 1MB/s via USB, even though FreeBSD > seems to understand that it is USB 2.0. FreeBSD doesn't have USB2.0 support :( A USB2.0 controller has a USB1.1 controller in it for backwards compatibility - unless you specifically enable USB2.0 magic it just acts like a 1.1 controller. NetBSD has USB2.0 support, dunno if you're interested in seeing if it works with their code (which is where FreeBSD got most of it's USB code) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 18:43: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A49C37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from abcy.office-abc.co.jp (abcy.office-abc.co.jp [211.0.31.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AD0543FBD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:42:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iidinjz@att.net) Received: from tjgc.upcnc [90.0.160.84] by abcy.office-abc.co.jp with ESMTP id AOUVUP; Sun, 09 Feb 03 18:37:19 +0400 Received: from 43izit6rj [43.134.43.24] by 90.0.160.84 with ESMTP id RIHYE; Sun, 09 Feb 03 18:21:19 +0400 Message-ID: <2x1gj7u13pn6ws-l9@8bn89yw09c> From: "Lana Hyatt" To: , , , , , , Subject: This is the email you have been waiting for Date: Sun, 09 Feb 03 18:21:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="7C4.F91._2_B6.E66EF" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --7C4.F91._2_B6.E66EF Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you think that attorneys overcharge? http://rd.yahoo.com/^Random/075198/*http://198.170.236.87 And that is just the surface of what we offer! http://rd.yahoo.com/^Random/075198/*http://198.170.236.87 If you don't want to get anymore of these emails, click HERE: legalsys_rem88@yahoo.co.in and send us a blank email. --7C4.F91._2_B6.E66EF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 19:22:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2948737B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1F743FCB for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:21:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1A3LZSJ018875; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:21:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1A3LZeC018874; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:21:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:21:35 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200302100321.h1A3LZeC018874@apollo.backplane.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Tim Kientzle Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) References: <200301312312.h0VNC5bQ007170@apollo.backplane.com> <3E3B1381.8050207@acm.org> <200302010150.h111oRFL007906@apollo.backplane.com> <3E3F438A.5040500@acm.org> <200302040651.h146p8Td041269@apollo.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG An additional note on the M 9000. I have not been able to get X11 to run on it yet. It uses a chipset that X doesn't seem to understand (beyond basic VGA modes). -Matt : Firewire : : Another EPIA M 9000 update. The built-in firewire works flawlessly under :.. : : Power consumption : : I also found a document that gave definitive power consumption : for various EPIA systems: : : http://www.viamainboard.com/product/3/4/EPIA%20M%20Operating%20Guidelines.pdf : : Summary: : : EPIA M 9000 17-25W : EPIA M E6000 16-22W : EPIA 800 11-20W : EPIA 5000 9-15W (5W idle, 15W playing DVD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 19:28:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698CB37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4025B43FF3 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:27:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@lanl.gov) Received: from ccs.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id h1A3RIgp032062 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:27:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 27286 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2003 20:27:18 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO carotid.ccs.lanl.gov) (128.165.148.162) by 128.165.148.1 with SMTP; 9 Feb 2003 20:27:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 18850 invoked by uid 3499); 9 Feb 2003 20:27:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Feb 2003 20:27:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:27:18 -0700 (MST) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@carotid.ccs.lanl.gov To: Friedemann Becker Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matthew dillon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't know who he is either, but much to my regret this nonsense has forced me off the list. Bye everyone, it's been a great 9 years, and it's a great OS, and you're great people! I hope this mess gets worked out someday. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 19:36:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ED137B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from maxwell3.pacific.net.sg (maxwell3.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CDA43FF5 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:35:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from pacific.net.sg ([210.24.202.154]) by maxwell3.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20030210033520.QQXC1140.maxwell3.pacific.net.sg@pacific.net.sg> for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:35:20 +0800 Message-ID: <3E471DF7.8020607@pacific.net.sg> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:35:19 +0800 From: oceanare pte ltd Organization: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de, ar-ae MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matthew dillon References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Ronald G. Minnich wrote: > I don't know who he is either, but much to my regret this nonsense has > forced me off the list. Talk about beeing sensitive. I do not stop walking on streets despite the fact that some people get robbed there. Erich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 19:43: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCFE37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F8D43F85 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:42:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0195.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.195] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18i4qK-0004e2-00; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 19:42:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3E471F5D.829D57E6@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 19:41:17 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oceanare pte ltd Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matthew dillon References: <3E471DF7.8020607@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a458081b3c8582d9fa96db1ffc6dc918bf2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG oceanare pte ltd wrote: > Ronald G. Minnich wrote: > > I don't know who he is either, but much to my regret this nonsense has > > forced me off the list. > > Talk about beeing sensitive. > > I do not stop walking on streets despite the fact that some people > get robbed there. Do you unsubscribe from mailing lists you merely monitor for interesting content, rather than subscribing to them, when some jerk fills up your POP3 maildrop because they have an axe to grind, and, as a result, mail which you consider "important", compared to the list traffic, bounces? People who advocate "receiver filtering" (either of the active variety, or of the "just ignore" variety) is the answer to all SPAM-like problems apparently do not understand the realities of many people using pull-based rather than push-based email transports. Please understand the technology involved before telling people how they should use it. Thanks, -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 19:49:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2D237B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.det2.ameritech.net (mailhost1-sfldmi.sfldmi.ameritech.net [206.141.193.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EFE43FF5 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:47:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbailey27@ameritech.net) Received: from ameritech.net ([67.38.16.140]) by mailhost.det2.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20030210034735.PHVD26543.mailhost.det2.ameritech.net@ameritech.net>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:47:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3E4720C3.7070500@ameritech.net> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 22:47:15 -0500 From: northern snowfall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020518 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: oceanare pte ltd , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matthew dillon References: <3E471DF7.8020607@pacific.net.sg> <3E471F5D.829D57E6@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote something here: > ... Thanks for getting me to roll my eyes. They needed a workout after staring at code. Don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 19:49:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6F637B413 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (hueytecuilhuitl.mtu.ru [195.34.32.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E169F43FDF for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:49:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sem@ciam.ru) Received: from ciam.ru (ppp138-143.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.138.143]) by hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64672F9B03 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:49:16 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from sem@ciam.ru) Message-ID: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:49:17 +0300 From: Sergey Matveychuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030202 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: OpenPAM and OSVERSION Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What is OSVERSION num right after OpenPAM implemented? There is no such in the porters-handbook :( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 19:58:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590D037B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cepnews.com (mail.cepnews.com [217.31.235.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B4F43F85; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:53:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from CepNews@CepNews.com) Received: from mail.cepnews.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cepnews.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1A4Awur009941; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:10:58 +0200 Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by mail.cepnews.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with SMTP id h1A4AbDW009936; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:10:38 +0200 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:10:37 +0200 From: CepNews@CepNews.com Received: by mail.cepnews.com ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:07:59 +0200 Subject: CepNews Þubat 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG CepNews
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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 21:46:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9E137B406 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DE443FEC for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:45:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from dougb.net (wh9dpqz2t08o3nac@dougb.net [10.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1A5iOS8002164; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:44:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:44:24 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: Sergey Matveychuk Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: OpenPAM and OSVERSION In-Reply-To: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> Message-ID: <20030209214248.K866@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Sergey Matveychuk wrote: > What is OSVERSION num right after OpenPAM implemented? The easiest way to answer this for yourself is to search the cvs logs to find when openpam was implemented, then search http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/sys/param.h for the closest match. HTH, Doug -- "The last time France wanted more evidence, it rolled right through Paris with a German flag." - David Letterman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 9 22:34:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88BA37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5760C43FCB for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:33:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from dougb.net (gtn02kxr6gamcdzm@dougb.net [10.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1A6WuS8002771; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:32:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Modifying mergemaster behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030209223025.D866@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <200301281844.h0SIie3G086935@repoman.freebsd.org> <20030201235429.G77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <200302031413.41855.fbsd@atyantik.net> <20030205031711.O27397@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 3:21 AM -0800 2/5/03, Doug Barton wrote: > >On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Amit Rao wrote: > > > >> Allow users to pass "regexps to ignore" as an option? > >> similar to: diff --ignore-matching-lines="\$FreeBSD:" ? > > > >I decided to be more general, and added the DIFF_OPTIONS variable > >to the script, and an example of -I$FreeBSD:.*$ to the man page. > > Well, this gets into an interesting exercise in quoting... > > I think I really want: > > DIFF_OPTIONS='-I $FreeBSD:.*[$]' > > to get the behavior I wanted, because the pattern should match > a literal $, and not have the $ be treated as "to end-of-line". Good point. I've amended the example. > I think my reasoning is correct there. It also seems to work > right with or without the blank after the -I. It certainly should. :) I chose not to insert a blank to avoid future problems with quoted/unquoted output. > Also note that the example in the man page expanded to: Argh. I thought of that, but didn't think cvs would be quite so... helpful. I will re-check the results this time. Thanks! Doug -- "The last time France wanted more evidence, it rolled right through Paris with a German flag." - David Letterman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 0:24:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE7537B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A831744015 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:24:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from [192.168.69.11] (unknown [192.168.69.11]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CBC62D1A for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:24:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: Lamont Granquist To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matthew dillon In-Reply-To: <3E4720C3.7070500@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <20030210000810.S26397-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG to quote the freebsd-current dmesg: Be nice to each other, mmmkay? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 1:59:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758F537B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F10843FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:59:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 8553F536E; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:59:43 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Sergey Matveychuk Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenPAM and OSVERSION From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:59:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> (Sergey Matveychuk's message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:49:17 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sergey Matveychuk writes: > What is OSVERSION num right after OpenPAM implemented? What problem are you trying to solve? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 2:12:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90FB37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CE343F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:12:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) Received: by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix, from userid 426) id 9CEE819D23; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:12:32 +0200 (EET) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eth0.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.0.1.184]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCD119D65; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:12:31 +0200 (EET) Received: from pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.18.54.109]) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1AAGub02378; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:16:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AAC4H0008193; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:12:04 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from simon@pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) Received: (from simon@localhost) by pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AAC2GR008192; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:12:02 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:12:02 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200302101012.h1AAC2GR008192@pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua> From: Andrey Simonenko To: "Auge Mike" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printf....! In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.hackers User-Agent: tin/1.5.12-20020427 ("Sugar") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.7-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:13:32 +0000 (UTC) in lucky.freebsd.hackers, Auge Mike wrote: > Hi all, > > I was trying to know how "printf" works in FreeBSD... I hvae reached to this > point : > > #define _write(fd, s, n) \ > __syscall(SYS_write, (int)(fd), (const void *)(s), (size_t)(n)) > > I'am not really familiar with the way FreeBSD handle interrupts. I like from > any one of you to tell me what functions will be called next and in which > files, till we get the string of the printf function argment displayed in > the terminal. > That means that printf(3) uses write(2). Write(2) is a system call with syscall number SYS_write (look at __syscall(2)). Syscalls are described in syscalls.master like files. There is at least one such file for every supported binary: /sys/kern/syscals.master, /sys/i386/linux/syscalls.master, etc. Syscalls implementation is a part of the kernel, so you need to get information about the name of the appropriate function for the syscall with the SYS_write number from the syscalls.master file and find this function in /sys sources. I suppose you need this one /sys/kern/sys_generic.c:write() See also: manual pages for write(2), syscall(2); "System Calls" chapter from the "x86 Assembly Language Programming" (available in "FreeBSD Developers' Handbook"). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 2:49:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C2D37B401; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.clarotech.co.za (falcon.clarotech.co.za [196.22.181.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFF643FAF; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:49:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from TonyR@clarotech.co.za) Received: from prowler.clarotech.co.za (prowler.clarotech.co.za [192.168.250.2]) by falcon.clarotech.co.za (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AAnYrc056973; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:49:34 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from TonyR@clarotech.co.za) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: HEADS UP: Broken if_dc NICs with MACs like 08:08[...] or 00:00[...] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:49:34 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: <09B07E5FCE15BB44B9CDAF92E483935E965EBC@prowler.clarotech.co.za> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: HEADS UP: Broken if_dc NICs with MACs like 08:08[...] or 00:00[...] Thread-Index: AcLO+yWq1ctyKiEMRjWidmTGFJEU9AB9pL2g From: "Tony Russell" To: "Martin Blapp" , Cc: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 version=2.44 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a whole bunch of "SMC EZ Card 10/100 Mbps Fast Ethernet PCI card" (SMC1255 series) that we use as a log profile PCI card that suffer with 00:08:00:08:00:08 MAC addresses. Your patch resolves the problem. _________________________________________________ Antony Russell Technical Director Clarotech Consulting (Pty) Ltd EMail: TonyR@Clarotech.co.za Phone: 021.671.5350 -----Original Message----- From: Martin Blapp [mailto:mb@imp.ch]=20 Sent: 08 February 2003 00:48 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HEADS UP: Broken if_dc NICs with MACs like 08:08[...] or 00:00[...] Hi all, Many if_dc cards are still broken in RELENG_4. Can you please try this diff if you own such a broken card ? If you have a Conexant LANfinity MiniPCI 10/100BaseTX card, I'd like to have feedback if full duplex mode works now too. Thank you very much for your tests. I'd like to see all these DEC/Intel 21143 clone cards fixed for 4.8R. Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 3: 2:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F5337B405 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:02:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout1.freenet.de (mout1.freenet.de [194.97.50.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389ED43FCB for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:02:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ino-qc@spotteswoode.de.eu.org) Received: from [194.97.55.147] (helo=mx4.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with asmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iBhh-0008GH-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:02:25 +0100 Received: from p3e9baaf6.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.155.170.246] helo=spotteswoode.dnsalias.org) by mx4.freenet.de with asmtp (ID inode@freenet.de) (Exim 4.12 #2) id 18iBhh-0007qi-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:02:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 2428 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2003 11:02:24 -0000 Date: 10 Feb 2003 12:02:24 +0100 Message-ID: <65rsxutb.fsf@ID-23066.news.dfncis.de> From: "clemens fischer" To: "Wes Peters" Cc: "Pawel Jakub Dawidek" , " Giorgos Keramidas" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, zaks@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl Subject: Re: Missing commit bit [PATCH]. References: <20030204094840.E1A083ABB3B@milla.ask33.net> <20030205195309.GA71510@garage.freebsd.pl> <200302091323.35681.wes@softweyr.com> In-Reply-To: <200302091323.35681.wes@softweyr.com> (Wes Peters's message of "Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:23:35 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i386-unknown-freebsd4.6.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters : > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/rules.html sorry to insist, but even after following all the links in the slashdot-story this isn't clear to me. was it really about the ipfw-hack he proposed? there were eight (or so) emails cited from a developers list, which looked quite civil to me. it seemed a technical discussion with the "new-kernel <-> old libs" problem at its heart, certainly no "dirty linen" there. clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 3:10:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6E537B401; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CB243F75; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:10:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flynn@energyhq.homeip.net) Received: from christine.energyhq.tk (christine.energyhq.tk [192.168.0.1]) by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 76234AF5C5; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:10:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:10:10 +0100 From: Miguel Mendez To: "clemens fischer" Cc: wes@softweyr.com, nick@garage.freebsd.pl, keramida@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, zaks@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl Subject: Re: Missing commit bit [PATCH]. Message-Id: <20030210121010.034601cf.flynn@energyhq.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <65rsxutb.fsf@ID-23066.news.dfncis.de> References: <20030204094840.E1A083ABB3B@milla.ask33.net> <20030205195309.GA71510@garage.freebsd.pl> <200302091323.35681.wes@softweyr.com> <65rsxutb.fsf@ID-23066.news.dfncis.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) X-Face: 1j}k*2E>Y\+C~E|/wehi[:dCM,{N7/uE 3o# P,{t7gA/qnovFDDuyQV.1hdT7&#d)q"xY33}{_GS>kk'S{O]nE$A`T|\4&p\&mQyexOLb8}FO List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=.HD60j?y4wWqCq( Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 10 Feb 2003 12:02:24 +0100 "clemens fischer" wrote: Howdy, > sorry to insist, but even after following all the links in the > slashdot-story this isn't clear to me. was it really about the > ipfw-hack he proposed? there were eight (or so) emails cited from a > developers list, which looked quite civil to me. it seemed a > technical discussion with the "new-kernel <-> old libs" problem at > its heart, certainly no "dirty linen" there. Slashdot as a source of information, heh :) No, it wasn't about the ipfw thing. As stated several times in the chat@ mailing list, it has to do with 4 years of bad netiquette. It looks like Matt won't and is not willing to change his behavior towards fellow committers. Too bad? Yes, it's a shame. Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk Of course it runs NetBSD! --=.HD60j?y4wWqCq( Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (NetBSD) iD8DBQE+R4iWnLctrNyFFPERArSDAKCHsvdOLx+/lWbIN6t9r1Il6JP98gCfSTvC QrAchI3Yg15bygTWsNkDP9E= =pRsK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.HD60j?y4wWqCq(-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 3:26:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A33937B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (hueytecuilhuitl.mtu.ru [195.34.32.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497E043F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:26:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sem@ciam.ru) Received: from semhome (ppp153-7.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.153.7]) by hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F764FF476; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:26:34 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from sem@ciam.ru) Message-ID: <002301c2d0f7$46df3d10$0799763e@semhome> From: "Sergey Matveychuk" To: "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" Cc: References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> Subject: Re: OpenPAM and OSVERSION Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:26:36 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Sergey Matveychuk writes: > > What is OSVERSION num right after OpenPAM implemented? > > What problem are you trying to solve? security/pam-* ports. I'v fiexed pam-mysql for this time. It's works for me. I'm working for PR. ---- Sem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 3:29:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBFE37B405 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E88C43F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:29:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 9658A536E; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:29:54 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: "Sergey Matveychuk" Cc: Subject: Re: OpenPAM and OSVERSION From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:29:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <002301c2d0f7$46df3d10$0799763e@semhome> ("Sergey Matveychuk"'s message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:26:36 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> <002301c2d0f7$46df3d10$0799763e@semhome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Sergey Matveychuk" writes: > > > What is OSVERSION num right after OpenPAM implemented? > > What problem are you trying to solve? > security/pam-* ports. > I'v fiexed pam-mysql for this time. It's works for me. I'm working for PR. If you've fixed it in a way which requires knowing whether the system runs Linux-PAM or OpenPAM, you've fixed it wrong. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 4:54:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDDF37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ciam.ru (main.ciam.ru [213.147.57.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C4643FB1 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:54:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sem@ciam.ru) Received: from exim by mail.ciam.ru with drweb-scanned (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18iDRk-0003qN-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:54:04 +0300 Received: from sem.ciam.ru ([192.168.45.10] helo=sem) by mail.ciam.ru with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18iDRk-0003qD-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:54:04 +0300 Message-ID: <001101c2d103$7f29ad20$0a2da8c0@sem> From: "Sergey Matveychuk" To: "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" Cc: References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> <002301c2d0f7$46df3d10$0799763e@semhome> Subject: Re: OpenPAM and OSVERSION Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:54:06 +0300 Organization: CIAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Envelope-To: des@ofug.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If you've fixed it in a way which requires knowing whether the system > runs Linux-PAM or OpenPAM, you've fixed it wrong. OK. Why? What fix will be a right one? My strategy is checking OSVERSION when build port and aplay a patch if it's 5.0+. ---- Sem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 5:10: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2056F37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3DD43FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id DD421536E; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:09:57 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: "Sergey Matveychuk" Cc: Subject: Re: OpenPAM and OSVERSION From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:09:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <001101c2d103$7f29ad20$0a2da8c0@sem> ("Sergey Matveychuk"'s message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:54:06 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> <002301c2d0f7$46df3d10$0799763e@semhome> <001101c2d103$7f29ad20$0a2da8c0@sem> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Sergey Matveychuk" writes: > > If you've fixed it in a way which requires knowing whether the system > > runs Linux-PAM or OpenPAM, you've fixed it wrong. > OK. Why? Because most PAM problems in ports are bugs in the ports themselves, which Linux-PAM just happens to tolerate and OpenPAM doesn't. In other words, it should be possible to find a solution to the problem which works equally well for Linux-PAM and OpenPAM, without the need to know which is which. And as a last resort, you can make OpenPAM- specific code conditional on the _OPENPAM preprocessor symbol. > What fix will be a right one? I can't tell you unless you show me what you believe needs fixing. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 5:14:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EC937B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF4E43FB1 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:14:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1ADEX3Y073549; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:14:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20030210.061408.128865070.imp@bsdimp.com> To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, kientzle@acm.org Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200302092221.h19MLbn0017174@apollo.backplane.com> References: <3E3F438A.5040500@acm.org> <200302040651.h146p8Td041269@apollo.backplane.com> <200302092221.h19MLbn0017174@apollo.backplane.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <200302092221.h19MLbn0017174@apollo.backplane.com> Matthew Dillon writes: : but for some reason I only get around 1MB/s via USB, even though FreeBSD : seems to understand that it is USB 2.0. FreeBSD's 4.x USB stack doesn't grok USB 2.0's ehci host bridge, except in legacy ohci (or is it uhci) mode. As such, I'd expect that you'd not get better than USB 1.0 speeds, which is consistant with 1MB/s you are seeing. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 6:18:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E388737B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout2.freenet.de (mout2.freenet.de [194.97.50.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD53443FBD for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:18:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ino-qc@spotteswoode.de.eu.org) Received: from [194.97.50.136] (helo=mx3.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with asmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iEle-0004tL-00 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:18:42 +0100 Received: from p3e9baaf6.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.155.170.246] helo=spotteswoode.dnsalias.org) by mx3.freenet.de with asmtp (ID inode@freenet.de) (Exim 4.12 #2) id 18iEle-0003jq-00 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:18:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 4186 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2003 14:18:41 -0000 Date: 10 Feb 2003 15:18:41 +0100 Message-ID: <4r7cw75q.fsf@ID-23066.news.dfncis.de> From: "clemens fischer" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: "Josef Karthauser" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone where to get a signed SSL certificate cheap? References: <20030205181724.GB87471@genius.tao.org.uk> <3E416AFA.85AF4F28@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3E416AFA.85AF4F28@mindspring.com> (Terry Lambert's message of "Wed, 05 Feb 2003 11:50:18 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i386-unknown-freebsd4.6.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert : > Note that many people have older browsers: the older the browser, > the smaller the number of signing authorities they will recognize > by default. Keep this in mind when picking browsers to examine. > > As a general comment, VeriSign does this as well, and tends to get > the signing authority to either raise their price, or, if they will > not, buys them, and raises their price. Certificate signing is fast > becoming a monopoly. these seem to be two reasons for making up ones own root-CA. if people are likely to have to import it anyway, why not give them your own one? also, this monopoly isn't based on something the monopolies really have to themselves. the only true reason to buy a certificate might be the $$ needed to insure or guarantee them before a court of law in case of liability. clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 6:42: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEED37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ciam.ru (main.ciam.ru [213.147.57.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57A043F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:41:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sem@ciam.ru) Received: from exim by mail.ciam.ru with drweb-scanned (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18iF83-0005cr-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:41:51 +0300 Received: from sem.ciam.ru ([192.168.45.10] helo=sem) by mail.ciam.ru with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18iF83-0005ch-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:41:51 +0300 Message-ID: <000c01c2d112$8c469e50$0a2da8c0@sem> From: "Sergey Matveychuk" To: "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" Cc: References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> <002301c2d0f7$46df3d10$0799763e@semhome><001101c2d103$7f29ad20$0a2da8c0@sem> Subject: Re: OpenPAM and OSVERSION Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:41:51 +0300 Organization: CIAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Envelope-To: des@ofug.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Because most PAM problems in ports are bugs in the ports themselves, > which Linux-PAM just happens to tolerate and OpenPAM doesn't. In > other words, it should be possible to find a solution to the problem > which works equally well for Linux-PAM and OpenPAM, without the need > to know which is which. And as a last resort, you can make OpenPAM- > specific code conditional on the _OPENPAM preprocessor symbol. No difference for port's user how source is change. Either a patch will apply for 5.0 only when port build or general pach where PAM version detects with preprocessor directives. Result code will be the same. I think it's a style question. What the community opinion? > > What fix will be a right one? > > I can't tell you unless you show me what you believe needs fixing. What a right way escape from PAM_CONV_AGAIN/PAM_TRY_AGAIN and relate code from LINUX_PAM? ---- Sem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 7: 3:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3691837B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED4843F3F for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:03:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 4AF95536E; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:03:39 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: "Sergey Matveychuk" Cc: Subject: Re: OpenPAM and OSVERSION From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:03:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <000c01c2d112$8c469e50$0a2da8c0@sem> ("Sergey Matveychuk"'s message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:41:51 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> <002301c2d0f7$46df3d10$0799763e@semhome> <001101c2d103$7f29ad20$0a2da8c0@sem> <000c01c2d112$8c469e50$0a2da8c0@sem> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Sergey Matveychuk" writes: > What a right way escape from PAM_CONV_AGAIN/PAM_TRY_AGAIN and relate code > from LINUX_PAM? Shoot the module author for using it, and Andrew Morgan (Linux-PAM author) for inventing it. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 7: 8:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0891A37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D96A43FBF for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:08:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ino-qc@spotteswoode.de.eu.org) Received: from [194.97.50.135] (helo=mx2.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with asmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iFY9-00079Y-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:08:49 +0100 Received: from p3e9baaf6.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.155.170.246] helo=spotteswoode.dnsalias.org) by mx2.freenet.de with asmtp (ID inode@freenet.de) (Exim 4.12 #2) id 18iFY7-0006Ab-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:08:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 4582 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2003 15:08:47 -0000 Date: 10 Feb 2003 16:08:47 +0100 Message-ID: From: "clemens fischer" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Missing commit bit [PATCH]. References: <20030204094840.E1A083ABB3B@milla.ask33.net> <20030205195309.GA71510@garage.freebsd.pl> <200302091323.35681.wes@softweyr.com> <65rsxutb.fsf@ID-23066.news.dfncis.de> <20030210121010.034601cf.flynn@energyhq.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20030210121010.034601cf.flynn@energyhq.homeip.net> (Miguel Mendez's message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:10:10 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i386-unknown-freebsd4.6.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [cc's deleted] Miguel Mendez : > Slashdot as a source of information, heh :) actually i never read slashdot, but it was mentioned that the freebsd-core members had issued a full public statement on this case, which i still cannot find anywhere. so i had to resort to whatever i could get. i will shut up about this if somebody posts the URI to this public statement for me to read up on. clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 7:20: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541D337B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from grsu.by (grsu.by [194.158.202.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D2AD43F93 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@grsu.by) Received: (qmail 7755 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2003 15:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grsu.by) (grog@195.50.13.206) by grsu.by with SMTP; 10 Feb 2003 15:15:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3E47C1BA.9000500@grsu.by> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:14:02 +0200 From: Yury Tarasievich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020829 X-Accept-Language: be, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making pkg_XXX tools smarter about file types... References: <3E42C148.4050807@acm.org> <3E440393.3080506@grsu.by> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ...first, clemens fischer wrote: >Yury Tarasievich : > >>I'd like to see in dependencies not only like "was built with >>-1.9_2abc, so wants it", but also something like -1.5+ (obviously >>1.5.0 and newer), -* (any version will do). Perhaps something else. At >>least to have possibility of specifying that, if this can't go into >>official ports. Does it seem reasonable? >> >> > >this problem has been annoying me for ages, but he who implements this >should consider dependencies specified too liberally. sometimes newer >versions aren't backwards compatible, which you can't know back in the >past. > Well, someone *should* pay *some* attention to what he's porting, right? And I've seen some ports even aren't compliant with hier(7), too. ...then, Tim Kientzle wrote: > A better approach might be to simply fob it > off on the user, i.e., > > # pkg_install foo-1.5 > Warning: foo-1.5 requires bar-2.3, you have bar-1.7 installed. > Proceed? [Y/n] In my opinion, user should be bothered with choices *only* when, like in this example, when dependency isn't *at* *all* satisfied. User definitely should *not* be bothered when differences are irrelevant to the functionality. E.g., ask only when bar-1.7 is installed and 2.3+ required, not when bar-1.7 is installed and say 1.4.1+ is required. I think dependencies could / should also have *upper* revision limit (library interface change, e.g.). And there could also be functionality of system-wide dependencies updating (isn't there one?) I've seen interesting concept of version number processing by D.J.Bernstein (called slashpackage, I believe). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 9:31: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4737737B487 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070A243F93 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348384A4 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:30:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 56CEB2FDAB2; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:30:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:30:51 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-hackers Subject: mdoc(7) question Message-ID: <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, two quick mdoc(7) questions: I'm writing a man page for a utility I'm writing, and I want the option listing look like this: OPTIONS -h, --help Print a brief help message. -n, --dry-run Don't actually connect to the server. DDL generated by mktable.php is output on stdout. -H, --host=host Connect to server on host. The best I could achieve without resorting to (FMPOV) hacks was the same amount of indentation for the option, and the description: -H, --host=host Connect to server on host. what is the canonical way of doing this? BTW, I'm not happy with the way I got the vertical space between the options (with .Pp), but that might be my html background. Is this ok, or should I do it another way? This is what I have right now: .Sh OPTIONS .Bl -ohang -compact .It Fl h , Fl -help Print a brief help message. .Pp .It Fl n , Fl -dry-run Don't actually connect to the server. DDL generated by .Nm is output on stdout. .Pp .It Fl H , Fl -host Ns = Ns Ar host .br Connect to server on .Ar host . .Pp -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 9:35:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B2E37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from icomag.de (ns.icomag.de [195.227.115.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8A143F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:35:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bgd@icomag.de) Received: from localhost (bgd@localhost) by icomag.de (8.12.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1AHZhh5046181 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:35:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bgd@icomag.de) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:35:43 +0100 (CET) From: Bogdan TARU X-X-Sender: To: Subject: gettings snapshots of load spikes Message-ID: <20030210182004.G45765-100000@fw.office.icom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi hackers, I am having a real weird problem with a newly installed Dell PowerEdge 2650 which acts as a web (Apache) and mail server(Procmail). The load just 'spikes' sometimes (to 40.00 or so), but immediately starts to go down. No matter what I've tried I couldn't get a snapshot of the running processes, to discover which one(s) was the one responsible for this load. I have even tried running 'top -S -t -q -u -d 1' in a 'while (1)' loop from a shell, and redirecting the output to a file. I got nothing in the processlist, just the 'last pid' value was incremented by approx. 10. One question would be: any idea of how to get a snapshot of the system in the exact moment when the load sky-rockets? The other would be if there are any known problems related to 4.7-release-p2 (and these load spikes, of course). My configuration follows: - Dell PowerEdge 2650 (2x P4 at 1.8Ghz, 1GB of Ram, raid5 controller - Perc 3/di, dual Broadcom Gigabit onboard) - Could a big partition (260GB) cause the problems above? 'cause I've got one. - FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p2 On this machine I run only Apache, Procmail, Pureftp (ftp daemon idle most of the time) and NTP. The mail/ftp traffic can be easily ignored, but Apache is tuned as a larg installation (max of 2000 children, usually having only 500 running -- out of which approx. 100 have requests, and the other just idling). I don't have any cron jobs except for the ones default in FreeBSD. Thank you for your help, bogdan ---------------------------- iCom Media AG Kirchweg 36 Koln, 50858 Germany Phone: +49-(0)221-485-689-16 Fax : +49-(0)221-485-689-20 Mobile:+49-(0)173-906-46-01 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 9:46:11 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C9237B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:46:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacbell.net (adsl-63-199-179-203.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.199.179.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91B843F85 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paleph@pacbell.net) Received: (from paleph@localhost) by pacbell.net (8.11.0/8.9.3) id h1AIDST02920 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:13:28 -0800 From: paleph@pacbell.net Message-Id: <200302101813.h1AIDST02920@pacbell.net> Subject: FreeBSD device driver question To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:13:28 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. I am looking at writing a FreeBSD device driver for a new PCI card. I looked at the FreeBSD documentation on device drivers (PCI) but couldn't find much. Can anyone point me at appropriate references/documentation (4.*) or URL? I apologize if this is an old thread... Paul Fronberg paleph@pacbell.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 10: 1:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FA337B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com (h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.61.43.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C8043FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:01:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rodrigc@attbi.com) Received: from h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AI2OhE036313; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:02:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rodrigc@h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com) Received: (from rodrigc@localhost) by h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AI2OGv036312; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:02:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:02:23 -0500 From: Craig Rodrigues To: paleph@pacbell.net Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD device driver question Message-ID: <20030210180223.GA36296@attbi.com> References: <200302101813.h1AIDST02920@pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302101813.h1AIDST02920@pacbell.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 10:13:28AM -0800, paleph@pacbell.net wrote: > Hi. > > I am looking at writing a FreeBSD device driver for a new PCI card. > I looked at the FreeBSD documentation on device drivers (PCI) > but couldn't find much. > > Can anyone point me at appropriate references/documentation (4.*) or URL? FreeBSD Developer's Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ section 24 "PCI Devices" -- Craig Rodrigues http://home.attbi.com/~rodrigc rodrigc@attbi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 10:17:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BB037B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from kientzle.com (h-66-166-149-50.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.166.149.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF26F43F93 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:17:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Received: from acm.org (UGLY.x.kientzle.com [66.166.149.51]) by kientzle.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1AIHXp29211; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:17:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Message-ID: <3E47ECBD.4090809@acm.org> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:17:33 -0800 From: Tim Kientzle Reply-To: kientzle@acm.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bogdan TARU Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettings snapshots of load spikes References: <20030210182004.G45765-100000@fw.office.icom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bogdan TARU wrote: > I am having a real weird problem with a newly installed Dell PowerEdge > 2650 which acts as a web (Apache) and mail server(Procmail). The load just > 'spikes' sometimes (to 40.00 or so), but immediately starts to go down. Could be Apache restarting a bunch of children all at once. Could be a burst of CGI requests. Try looking at your 'top' snapshots just before and after the spike. Look to see if there are any processes whose PIDs seem to have changed. That might indicate that some processes are getting restarted. Also, look in your apache and mail server log files to see if you're getting a burst of some sort of errors around that time. Hope this helps, Tim Kientzle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 10:17:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E547F37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D43B43FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:17:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h1AIHivL038147 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:17:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:17:44 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: mdoc(7) question Message-ID: <20030210181744.GN5356@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Feb 10), Roman Neuhauser said: > Hi there, > > two quick mdoc(7) questions: > > I'm writing a man page for a utility I'm writing, and I want the option > listing look like this: > > OPTIONS > -h, --help > Print a brief help message. > > -n, --dry-run > Don't actually connect to the server. DDL generated by mktable.php > is output on stdout. > > -H, --host=host > Connect to server on host. > This is what I have right now: > > .Sh OPTIONS > .Bl -ohang -compact Try .Bl -tag -width "indent" here instead. That creates a list with "tags" or headers, and the description indented by the width of the word "indent". -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 10:50:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D810C37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from icomag.de (ns.icomag.de [195.227.115.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D83B43F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bgd@icomag.de) Received: from localhost (bgd@localhost) by icomag.de (8.12.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1AIod9G047121; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:50:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bgd@icomag.de) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:50:39 +0100 (CET) From: Bogdan TARU X-X-Sender: To: Tim Kientzle Cc: Subject: Re: gettings snapshots of load spikes In-Reply-To: <3E47ECBD.4090809@acm.org> Message-ID: <20030210194805.A47097-100000@fw.office.icom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi Tim & all, > > I am having a real weird problem with a newly installed Dell PowerEdge > > 2650 which acts as a web (Apache) and mail server(Procmail). The load just > > 'spikes' sometimes (to 40.00 or so), but immediately starts to go down. > > > Could be Apache restarting a bunch of children all at once. > Could be a burst of CGI requests. I have seen sometimes the number of running processes jumping from 1-2 to 200 or so, which are the apache kids, but that doesn't produce a system load at all. > Try looking at your 'top' snapshots just before and after > the spike. Look to see if there are any processes > whose PIDs seem to have changed. That might indicate > that some processes are getting restarted. I will try to do that indeed, even though I will have to compare the pids of all apache children processes... > > Also, look in your apache and mail server log files > to see if you're getting a burst of some sort of > errors around that time. I have, and found nothing there at all (looked into the system logs as well, same outcome). Thanks for your answer, bogdan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 11: 2:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB7637B405 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [210.49.80.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF6C43FE3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:02:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AJ2SLZ051575; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:02:29 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jeremyp@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1AJ2Rel051574; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:02:27 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:02:27 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Bogdan TARU Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettings snapshots of load spikes Message-ID: <20030210190227.GA50038@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <20030210182004.G45765-100000@fw.office.icom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030210182004.G45765-100000@fw.office.icom> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 06:35:43PM +0100, Bogdan TARU wrote: > I am having a real weird problem with a newly installed Dell PowerEdge >2650 which acts as a web (Apache) and mail server(Procmail). The load just >'spikes' sometimes (to 40.00 or so), but immediately starts to go down. ... > One question would be: any idea of how to get a snapshot of the system in >the exact moment when the load sky-rockets? Hack the scheduler so that it drops into DDB if the run queue exceeds say 30. You can then play around inside DDB or force a panic. This probably isn't suitable for a production system. Are the load spikes regular and therefore possibly triggered by cron? Is there anything in either apache or procmail logs that correlates with the spikes? You could try enabling accounting (see acct(5) and accton(8)) which will give you a record of what processes were started. This may give you a clue as to where to start looking. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 11:53:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428EC37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA83C43F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:53:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from larse@ISI.EDU) Received: from isi.edu (nik.isi.edu [128.9.168.58]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AJrQH13965 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:53:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3E480335.7010706@isi.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:53:25 -0800 From: Lars Eggert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20030131 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: anoncvs.freebsd.org reachability Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070401080606040103010309" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070401080606040103010309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, for the last couple of days I've been unable to cvs update my sources, because anoncvs.freebsd.org is unreachable: [root@nik: /usr] traceroute anoncvs.freebsd.org traceroute to usw7.freebsd.org (209.181.243.20), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 128.9.160.7 (128.9.160.7) 2.168 ms 2.403 ms 1.274 ms 2 128.9.0.9 (128.9.0.9) 2.613 ms 2.435 ms 3.095 ms 3 dmz-ln (198.32.16.50) 5.182 ms 1.890 ms 1.592 ms 4 ge-2-3-0.a02.lsanca02.us.ra.verio.net (198.172.117.161) 1.811 ms 1.936 ms 4.248 ms 5 ge-6-2-0.r00.lsanca01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.29.126) 1.584 ms 1.501 ms 2.023 ms 6 p4-0.att.lsanca01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.9.186) 1.775 ms 2.754 ms 2.890 ms 7 gbr3-p50.la2ca.ip.att.net (12.123.28.130) 2.564 ms 1.750 ms 2.770 ms 8 gbr4-p20.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.69) 19.755 ms 47.439 ms 18.800 ms 9 gbr3-p50.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.122.2.62) 26.823 ms 25.483 ms 25.285 ms 10 gbr1-p100.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.122.5.158) 26.408 ms 25.352 ms 25.295 ms 11 gar2-p360.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.123.44.113) 25.599 ms 25.391 ms 25.220 ms 12 12.124.173.62 (12.124.173.62) 41.901 ms 41.563 ms 41.912 ms 13 min-core-02.tamerica.net (205.171.8.114) 67.260 ms 66.793 ms 66.519 ms 14 gig12-0-0.mpls-cust2.mpls.uswest.net (207.225.159.252) 65.922 ms 66.060 ms 66.406 ms 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 *^C Is anyone else seeing this? Lots of messages on cvs-all seem to indicate the box is up, and it's a routing issue. Is there a mirror somewhere? 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(unknown [192.168.69.11]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E3162D1A for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:53:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:53:32 -0800 (PST) From: Lamont Granquist To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: xmms + RTP_PRIO_REALTIME under -current Message-ID: <20030210114953.L29259-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm getting pops in xmms under -current. Awhile back the realtime scheduling option for xmms was busted, so I wrote this wrapper script around xmms. Am I doing the right thing here? Is there anything else I could do to config -current to eliminate pops? Is -current going to get a fully-preemptable kernel anytime soon? #include #include #include #include int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { struct rtprio rtp; rtp.type = RTP_PRIO_REALTIME; rtp.prio = 10; if (rtprio(RTP_SET, 0, &rtp) != 0) perror("rtprio"); setreuid(0,0); execv("/usr/X11R6/bin/xmms", argv); perror("execv"); } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 12:20:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D1237B436 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C32343F85 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:20:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AKKXxg051694; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:20:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AKKXFX051693; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:20:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:20:33 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Lars Eggert Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: anoncvs.freebsd.org reachability Message-ID: <20030210212033.A51675@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3E480335.7010706@isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3E480335.7010706@isi.edu>; from larse@ISI.EDU on Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 11:53:25AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 11:53:25AM -0800, Lars Eggert wrote: As I understand it there are issues at USW which are being investigated. Wilko > Hi, > > for the last couple of days I've been unable to cvs update my sources, > because anoncvs.freebsd.org is unreachable: > > [root@nik: /usr] traceroute anoncvs.freebsd.org > traceroute to usw7.freebsd.org (209.181.243.20), 64 hops max, 40 byte > packets > 1 128.9.160.7 (128.9.160.7) 2.168 ms 2.403 ms 1.274 ms > 2 128.9.0.9 (128.9.0.9) 2.613 ms 2.435 ms 3.095 ms > 3 dmz-ln (198.32.16.50) 5.182 ms 1.890 ms 1.592 ms > 4 ge-2-3-0.a02.lsanca02.us.ra.verio.net (198.172.117.161) 1.811 ms > 1.936 ms 4.248 ms > 5 ge-6-2-0.r00.lsanca01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.29.126) 1.584 ms > 1.501 ms 2.023 ms > 6 p4-0.att.lsanca01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.9.186) 1.775 ms 2.754 > ms 2.890 ms > 7 gbr3-p50.la2ca.ip.att.net (12.123.28.130) 2.564 ms 1.750 ms 2.770 ms > 8 gbr4-p20.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.69) 19.755 ms 47.439 ms > 18.800 ms > 9 gbr3-p50.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.122.2.62) 26.823 ms 25.483 ms > 25.285 ms > 10 gbr1-p100.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.122.5.158) 26.408 ms 25.352 ms > 25.295 ms > 11 gar2-p360.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.123.44.113) 25.599 ms 25.391 ms > 25.220 ms > 12 12.124.173.62 (12.124.173.62) 41.901 ms 41.563 ms 41.912 ms > 13 min-core-02.tamerica.net (205.171.8.114) 67.260 ms 66.793 ms > 66.519 ms > 14 gig12-0-0.mpls-cust2.mpls.uswest.net (207.225.159.252) 65.922 ms > 66.060 ms 66.406 ms > 15 * * * > 16 * * * > 17 * * * > 18 * * * > 19 * * * > 20 * * * > 21 *^C > > Is anyone else seeing this? Lots of messages on cvs-all seem to indicate > the box is up, and it's a routing issue. Is there a mirror somewhere? > > Thanks, > Lars > -- > Lars Eggert USC Information Sciences Institute ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 12:42:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A03937B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8389643F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:42:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AKghSJ023196; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:42:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AKghcu023195; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:42:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> To: Joe O Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) References: <20030210120212.G47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :I can't find any online specs to tell me if the graphics part of the :Northbridge has understands the VESA stuff. Does the XFree86 "vesa" :driver work? : :Also found this forum discussion... : :http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=30617 M 9000 X11 update: The "vga" driver works in low resolution modes. The "vesa" driver does not work. Via has a linux driver on their CD for X, called "via", which linux people seem to be using successfully, but I can't find sources anywhere. I don't understand why these companies don't just include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. I *think* the EPIA M 9000 is using a variant of the S3 Savage, but if so they have heavily modified the chip. I have had no luck trying to override the chip spec in my X configuration. -- Firewire update. I can't seemlessly connect and disconnect firewire devices, but if I connect the firewire HD up *before* kldload'ing the drivers, it works. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 12:46:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C3337B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from clubfoot.cracktown.com (clubfoot.cracktown.com [66.152.21.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2385343FBF for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:46:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joeo@cracktown.com) Received: from clubfoot.cracktown.com (clubfoot.cracktown.com [66.152.21.243]) by clubfoot.cracktown.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1AKpL4K048792; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:51:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from joeo@cracktown.com) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: Joe O To: Matthew Dillon Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) In-Reply-To: <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: <20030210154856.X47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If the linux XFree86 4.x driver was correctly written you should be able to dump it into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers and use it. One of the goals with XFree86 4.x was that the X server modules be OS independent. On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :I can't find any online specs to tell me if the graphics part of the > :Northbridge has understands the VESA stuff. Does the XFree86 "vesa" > :driver work? > : > :Also found this forum discussion... > : > :http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=30617 > > M 9000 X11 update: > > The "vga" driver works in low resolution modes. The "vesa" driver > does not work. Via has a linux driver on their CD for X, called "via", > which linux people seem to be using successfully, but I can't find > sources anywhere. I don't understand why these companies don't just > include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. > > I *think* the EPIA M 9000 is using a variant of the S3 Savage, but if > so they have heavily modified the chip. I have had no luck trying to > override the chip spec in my X configuration. > > -- > > Firewire update. I can't seemlessly connect and disconnect firewire > devices, but if I connect the firewire HD up *before* kldload'ing > the drivers, it works. > > -Matt > Matthew Dillon > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 12:55:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B31937B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from herbelot.dyndns.org (herbelot.net1.nerim.net [62.212.117.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376B543F3F for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:55:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thierry@herbelot.com) Received: from diversion.herbelot.nom (diversion.herbelot.nom [192.168.2.6]) by herbelot.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AKlJ0f028891; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:47:19 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Thierry Herbelot To: Matthew Dillon Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:55:19 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030210120212.G47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> In-Reply-To: <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200302102155.19826.thierry@herbelot.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Matt, with your copious free time and this new baby, what would you think of porting over the ehci driver from NetBSD over to FreeBSD (this will enable USB2.0) ISTR a call for help (must have been by Joe K.) TfH PS : I confess : this is a shameless plug to get USB2.0 working on my own WS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 12:57:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8462237B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from herbelot.dyndns.org (herbelot.net1.nerim.net [62.212.117.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF2343FE1 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thierry@herbelot.com) Received: from diversion.herbelot.nom (diversion.herbelot.nom [192.168.2.6]) by herbelot.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AKmo0f014699; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:48:51 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Thierry Herbelot To: Joe O Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:56:50 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030210154856.X47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> In-Reply-To: <20030210154856.X47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200302102156.50934.thierry@herbelot.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Le Monday 10 February 2003 21:51, Joe O a écrit : > If the linux XFree86 4.x driver was correctly written you should be able > to dump it into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers and use it. > > One of the goals with XFree86 4.x was that the X server modules be OS > independent. > Indeed, that's how I got XVideo working on my neomagic : this OS-independant dynamic module linking is really a good thing Tfh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 12:57:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E81737B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD4C43FAF for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:57:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from interjet.elischer.org (12-232-168-4.client.attbi.com[12.232.168.4]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <2003021020572200300k0a6qe>; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:57:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA50146; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:57:19 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Joe O , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) In-Reply-To: <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :I can't find any online specs to tell me if the graphics part of the > :Northbridge has understands the VESA stuff. Does the XFree86 "vesa" > :driver work? > : > :Also found this forum discussion... > : > :http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=30617 > > M 9000 X11 update: > > The "vga" driver works in low resolution modes. The "vesa" driver > does not work. Via has a linux driver on their CD for X, called "via", > which linux people seem to be using successfully, but I can't find > sources anywhere. I don't understand why these companies don't just > include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. Try use the linux binary... believe it or not the latest XFree86 release has a loadable driver interface that is completely cross-OS compatible. I.e the drivers can not call any external calls only those provided by teh OS-specific framework into which they are loaded. Something that they have done very right.. I've seen several manufacturer supplied drivers for "Linux" work under FreeBSD. (!) julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 13: 1:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3881C37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDC243F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:01:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from interjet.elischer.org (12-232-168-4.client.attbi.com[12.232.168.4]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with ESMTP id <2003021021015600100g1q8de>; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:01:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA50206; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:01:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:01:53 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Matthew Dillon Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) In-Reply-To: <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Matthew Dillon wrote: > Firewire update. I can't seemlessly connect and disconnect firewire > devices, but if I connect the firewire HD up *before* kldload'ing > the drivers, it works. The disconnection and reconnnection seems to work for me using dvd devices.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 14: 7:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED2A37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62D243F93 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:07:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AM7OSJ023599; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:07:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AM7NdB023598; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:07:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:07:23 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200302102207.h1AM7NdB023598@apollo.backplane.com> To: Julian Elischer Cc: Joe O , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried that. It got close. *very* close to running, but the via driver has two dependancies on libddmpeg (which is also supplied on the CD). Unfortunately libddmpeg depends on libc.so.6. I can shim the two dependancies into via_drv.o but the via driver still tries to load libddmpeg and X faults out with an error. I need to dummy-up libddmpeg somehow. -Matt Matthew Dillon :On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Matthew Dillon wrote: : :> :I can't find any online specs to tell me if the graphics part of the :> :Northbridge has understands the VESA stuff. Does the XFree86 "vesa" :> :driver work? :> : :> :Also found this forum discussion... :> : :> :http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=30617 :> :> M 9000 X11 update: :> :> The "vga" driver works in low resolution modes. The "vesa" driver :> does not work. Via has a linux driver on their CD for X, called "via", :> which linux people seem to be using successfully, but I can't find :> sources anywhere. I don't understand why these companies don't just :> include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. : : :Try use the linux binary... :believe it or not the latest XFree86 release has a loadable driver :interface that is completely cross-OS compatible. I.e the drivers :can not call any external calls only those provided by teh OS-specific :framework into which they are loaded. : :Something that they have done very right.. :I've seen several manufacturer supplied drivers for "Linux" work under :FreeBSD. : (!) : :julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 14:40:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B465D37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D876143FE0 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:40:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from larse@ISI.EDU) Received: from isi.edu (nik.isi.edu [128.9.168.58]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h1AMefH24957; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:40:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3E482A69.4030008@isi.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:40:41 -0800 From: Lars Eggert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20030131 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: anoncvs.freebsd.org reachability References: <3E480335.7010706@isi.edu> <20030210212033.A51675@freebie.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20030210212033.A51675@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010900080607070206000700" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010900080607070206000700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 11:53:25AM -0800, Lars Eggert wrote: > > As I understand it there are issues at USW which are being investigated. Great, thanks! In the meantime, is there an easy way to switch over my existing CVS tree to a mirror? (And is there a mirror?) 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[212.205.244.129]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AMjolI022442 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:45:53 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h1AMjmIA096570 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:45:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h1AMODCk066646 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:24:13 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:24:12 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: mdoc(7) question Message-ID: <20030210222412.GA33990@gothmog.gr> References: <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2003-02-10 18:30, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > Hi there, > two quick mdoc(7) questions: > > I'm writing a man page for a utility I'm writing, and I want the option > listing look like this: > > OPTIONS > -h, --help > Print a brief help message. How about this? Here is a list: .Bl -tag -width indent .It Fl h , Fl \-help Option description here. .It Fl p , Fl \-print Option description here. .El - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 14:49:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F86937B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f17.sea2.hotmail.com [207.68.165.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0F143FE0 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:49:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tobe_better@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:49:28 -0800 Received: from 213.42.1.174 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:49:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.42.1.174] From: "Auge Mike" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: printf...! and BSD Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:49:28 +0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2003 22:49:28.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[AACC3EE0:01C2D156] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, First of all, Thanks to all of you for your help and support. I have tried to go deeper and deeper to find out how "printf" works. ((( Of course the aim of trying to understand the "printf", is to understand how the internals of the BSD kernel work))) till i've faced the following function: "fo_write" which was confusing for me.... =) Then, I've figured out that i need to understand two important things in the BSD to know how the "printf" works. The first thing is how dose the device driver works, and the second thing is the file system, and small knowledge about the process structure. I will try to do that, but which resources can help me. For Linux, there are two great book which can make my life easier "FOR LINUX ONLY" 1.UNDERSTANDING THE LINUX KERNEL. 2.LINUX DEVICE DRIVERS. Now what resources you can recommend for me! I prefer Internet resources. Yours, _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 15: 1: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFC537B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F9443FE1 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:00:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6B49610BFAB; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:00:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:00:58 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20030210230057.GE798@nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello I have noticed that that several FreeBSD files (.c, .h and so on) have trailing whitespace (spaces/tabs after last charecter on a line). Should I send patches for this, or is it not important to "fix"? A random example is stdbool.h v. 1.6 on line 30 which has a trailing tab. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+SC8p8kocFXgPTRwRAj7jAJwNpp55mVtooorfh9KYv9BEvTqmUgCgoE1V 8BIv0+OCxBKsEqjRPlLq/hc= =Vr3m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 15:17:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B43437B406 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from anuket.mj.niksun.com (gwnew.niksun.com [65.115.46.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1243443FB1 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:17:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@atyantik.net) Received: from localhost (anuket.mj.niksun.com [10.70.0.5]) by anuket.mj.niksun.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1ANG7us040013; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:16:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fbsd@atyantik.net) X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses. From: "Amit K. Rao" To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:16:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030210230057.GE798@nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <20030210230057.GE798@nitro.dk> Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200302101816.17249.fbsd@atyantik.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 10 February 2003 06:00 pm, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > Hello > > I have noticed that that several FreeBSD files (.c, .h and so on) have > trailing whitespace (spaces/tabs after last charecter on a line). > > Should I send patches for this, or is it not important to "fix"? > > A random example is stdbool.h v. 1.6 on line 30 which has a trailing > tab. I believe a similar topic came up before : http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=fa.gn23hlv.1h46h1l%40ifi.uio.no&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26q%3Dwhitespace%2Bfreebsd%2Bat%2Bend%2Bof%2Bline%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch -Amit To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 15:31: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C738437B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [193.197.184.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9A543F93 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:30:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with gbsmtp id 18iNO3-0000Jg-00; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:30:55 +0100 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AMeRPD093636 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:40:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AMeRCG093635 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:40:27 +0100 (CET) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: anoncvs.freebsd.org reachability Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <3E480335.7010706@isi.edu> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <3E480335.7010706@isi.edu>, Lars Eggert wrote: > for the last couple of days I've been unable to cvs update my sources, > because anoncvs.freebsd.org is unreachable: There are at least two other machines that offer this service: anoncvs.de.freebsd.org anoncvs2.de.freebsd.org (*) *) May see some service interruptions during the next couple of hours because I'm performing an OS update. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 17:31: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17C437B405 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64E043FE1 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:31:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0213.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.213] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18iPGB-0005lu-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:30:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4851FD.9B5F2943@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:29:33 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: clemens fischer Cc: Josef Karthauser , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone where to get a signed SSL certificate cheap? References: <20030205181724.GB87471@genius.tao.org.uk> <3E416AFA.85AF4F28@mindspring.com> <4r7cw75q.fsf@ID-23066.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a481dbf857cd71f230fc9cabe963e95402548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG clemens fischer wrote: > Terry Lambert : > > Note that many people have older browsers: the older the browser, > > the smaller the number of signing authorities they will recognize > > by default. Keep this in mind when picking browsers to examine. > > > > As a general comment, VeriSign does this as well, and tends to get > > the signing authority to either raise their price, or, if they will > > not, buys them, and raises their price. Certificate signing is fast > > becoming a monopoly. > > these seem to be two reasons for making up ones own root-CA. if > people are likely to have to import it anyway, why not give them your > own one? People will not "import it anyway". They will google for another website that sells the same thing, and go there instead. They're (effectively) told by the browser that "I think someone is maybe trying to hack you!". > also, this monopoly isn't based on something the monopolies > really have to themselves. "The ability to sell certificates which are recognized by the browser, without it telling them ``This merchant is trying to hack you''"? > the only true reason to buy a certificate might be the $$ needed to > insure or guarantee them before a court of law in case of liability. No, the reason to by a cert is to avoid a scary popup message or series of popup messages, which negatively influence a user's buy decision. For the most part, that the reason for using SSL at all, since it is statistically very unlikely that a "bad guy" is listening to your transaction at the exact time you submit a request. In fact, it's *so* unlikely, that you are more likely to have your credit card number stolen and used by a service person at your local restaurant... but they don't have big, scary popups that happen as you are entering the restaurant. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 17:41:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2557D37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (mail-out1.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881A443FE0 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:41:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Received: from mailgate2.apple.com (A17-129-100-225.apple.com [17.129.100.225]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1B1fnI07524 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from scv2.apple.com (scv2.apple.com) by mailgate2.apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:41:48 -0800 Received: from queasyweasel.com (eyeball.apple.com [17.202.45.78]) by scv2.apple.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h1B1flQ22864; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:41:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:41:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG To: "Simon L. Nielsen" From: Jordan Hubbard In-Reply-To: <20030210230057.GE798@nitro.dk> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wow, deja-vu! - Jordan On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > Hello > > I have noticed that that several FreeBSD files (.c, .h and so on) have > trailing whitespace (spaces/tabs after last charecter on a line). > > Should I send patches for this, or is it not important to "fix"? > > A random example is stdbool.h v. 1.6 on line 30 which has a trailing > tab. > > -- > Simon L. Nielsen > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 17:44:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78FD37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ping.echomatrix.net (ping.echomatrix.net [66.207.132.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE6643FAF for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:44:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhs-list@aylix.com) Received: from foursix (semcheski.squirrelhill.nidhog.net [66.207.143.104]) by ping.echomatrix.net (8.11.6/8.11.1) with SMTP id h1B1ioA69375 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:44:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mhs-list@aylix.com) Message-ID: <00a301c2d16e$f6c10d90$9602a8c0@foursix> From: "Michael H. Semcheski" To: References: <20030205181724.GB87471@genius.tao.org.uk> <3E416AFA.85AF4F28@mindspring.com> <4r7cw75q.fsf@ID-23066.news.dfncis.de> <3E4851FD.9B5F2943@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Anyone where to get a signed SSL certificate cheap? Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:43:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > "The ability to sell certificates which are recognized by the > browser, without it telling them ``This merchant is trying to > hack you''"? > > the only true reason to buy a certificate might be the $$ needed to > > insure or guarantee them before a court of law in case of liability. > No, the reason to by a cert is to avoid a scary popup message or > series of popup messages, which negatively influence a user's > buy decision. One thing that Verisign and presumably the other signing authorities do before issuing an SSL cert is verify the issuees identity. That is, I don't think you can just give them a CC number and a name and get a cert. If I recall correctly, one thing they asked for was a Dunn and Bradstreet number. That sort of thing means that you have one more channel for recourse if something unexpected happens. If your card never gets charged for what you bought, and the item never gets to you, you can't really take it up with the credit card company, other than to cancel your card. > For the most part, that the reason for using SSL at all, since > it is statistically very unlikely that a "bad guy" is listening > to your transaction at the exact time you submit a request. In > fact, it's *so* unlikely, that you are more likely to have your > credit card number stolen and used by a service person at your > local restaurant... but they don't have big, scary popups that > happen as you are entering the restaurant. If there was no SSL and all web purchases went in the clear over the wire, there would be more people listening on the web, more phoney web sites designed to grab CC numbers, etc. Encryption is a big bonus of SSL, but the key is authentication. So, thats pretty off topic, I suppose. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 17:46:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A15237B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA8E43FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:46:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0213.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.213] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18iPVX-0002hl-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:46:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4855B5.F8C90526@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:45:25 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Joe O , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performanceresults (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) References: <20030210120212.G47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4e938efa1edf58c26ff62fa56c18dd70d387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > The "vga" driver works in low resolution modes. The "vesa" driver > does not work. Via has a linux driver on their CD for X, called "via", > which linux people seem to be using successfully, but I can't find > sources anywhere. I don't understand why these companies don't just > include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. The do not because then people could leverage their work by building hardware which does not license anything from them, but operates compatably. The same reason Adaptec developed their "HIM" layer, to prevent people from using Adaptec SCSI drivers with non-Adaptec hardware, and getting all the work they did to get the driver into the Windows base OS, for free. Basically, it's done to amortize non-recurring non-developement related collateral business costs. Or, if you're Diamond, it's done because you hired an EE to do your firmware instead of a software engineer, and a third party driver could cause your hardware or an external monitor to explode. 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 17:57: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7144737B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E78143FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:57:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1B1v0SJ027207; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:57:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1B1v0TZ027206; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:57:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:57:00 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200302110157.h1B1v0TZ027206@apollo.backplane.com> To: Julian Elischer Cc: Matthew Emmerton , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Got X working with via driver ( Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update ) results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Very nasty but I got X working with the via driver by dummying up libddmpeg (which is supplied along with via_drv.o on the VIA EPIA M 9000 CD). Basically I linked libddmpeg.a with a dummy program to pull in the required symbols and generated a new .so which does not link against libc.so.6. With the dummied up libdmpeg.so in place the VIA-supplied driver works. It complains a bit, but it works. http://apollo.backplane.com/FreeBSD/ I'll keep the page up unless VIA complains to me. I don't know why they would, though. -Matt Matthew Dillon keywords for Google: XFree86 XFree X11 X via via_drv.o libddmpeg ddmpeg EPIA M 9000 VIA S3 CastleRock Graphics Video To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 17:59:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD6137B401; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB66243F85; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:59:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0213.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.213] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18iPhz-0003Af-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:59:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4858BA.79ED0126@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:58:18 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: oceanare pte ltd , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: matthew dillon References: <200302102159.h1ALxO126845@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4e938efa1edf58c26ee1819c5eea70d67387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dave Hayes wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > Do you unsubscribe from mailing lists you merely monitor for > > interesting content, rather than subscribing to them, when some > > jerk fills up your POP3 maildrop because they have an axe to > > grind, and, as a result, mail which you consider "important", > > compared to the list traffic, bounces? > > I don't use POP3, precisely because of that reason. Do you? What you do or not do is irrelevent to the fact that some people can not obtain service that doesn't involve their email piling up somewhere it has to be downloaded from. In addition, not everyone can run a mail server, for lack of IPv4 address space, and due to service provider restrictions on the ability to run servers on their network connections due to active firewalling to create an artificial tiering of pricing, while avoiding the oversight of the PUC by not seperating it into a new tarrif group. > > People who advocate "receiver filtering" (either of the active > > variety, or of the "just ignore" variety) is the answer to all > > SPAM-like problems apparently do not understand the realities > > of many people using pull-based rather than push-based email > > transports. > > We do understand those realities, which is why we contend that > pull-based systems aren't the correct technology to use for receiving > randomly ubiquitous content such as humans are likely to generate. Until the technologies are no longer being deployed against new users, live in the world as it is, not as you wish it were. > I recognize that some people are unable to leave their POP client > connected 24/7 with "leave mail on server" unchecked and with > a scan rate of "once every 2 minutes". Perhaps a digested form > of the mailing list or a web browsable archive should exist for > those people's needs? The problem is that a denial of service attack can be successful, even in that case, by using a sufficiently large message size, or a sufficiently high message frequency, or a combination of the two (e.g. the recent troll repetitive mailings that cause this thread to be started were once-a-second, from my reading of the email headers). How is it that you suggest people defend against people with bigger pipes for shoving messages out than people have for messages coming in? In the limit, the same argument will apply to push-based systems, eventually, since you can not RED-queue persistent TCP connections, only incoming connection requests. > The technology is supposed to serve you, not dictate how you > are supposed to communicate. Feeel free to correct it, and every exisitng instance of it on the Internet, and then, after you have done that, get back to me, and I may indeed be willing to agree with your arguments. NB: If you are going to deal with this, then please, at the same time, fix the FIN-WAIT-2 problem, which is caused by a protocol design error in TCP, which requires two responses to a single request, with no way for the requester to re-request the first of the two responses. > > Please understand the technology involved before telling people > > how they should use it. > > Please understand the people involved before attempting to force > people to behave based on a particular choice of technology. =) The technology used dictates the permissable behaviours of the people using it; whether you like that fact or not, it is nonetheless true. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 18: 1:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5CE37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC7A43FAF for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:01:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444692A8B4; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:01:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:01:52 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030211020152.444692A8B4@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Wow, deja-vu! Hey! I've got a GREAT idea! I whipped up this nifty perl script and I can run it over the src tree to delete all the trailing whitespace! And even better, I can collapse tabs at the beginning of lines! What a great deal! That should be good for a few hundred commits! :-) > - Jordan > > On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > > > > Hello > > > > I have noticed that that several FreeBSD files (.c, .h and so on) have > > trailing whitespace (spaces/tabs after last charecter on a line). > > > > Should I send patches for this, or is it not important to "fix"? > > > > A random example is stdbool.h v. 1.6 on line 30 which has a trailing > > tab. > > > > -- > > Simon L. Nielsen > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 18: 3:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6CB37B401; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4438443FCB; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:03:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from interjet.elischer.org (12-232-168-4.client.attbi.com[12.232.168.4]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with ESMTP id <2003021102031100100g14aee>; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:03:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA52367; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:03:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:03:07 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: hackers@freebsd.org, des@freebsd.org Subject: Some "security" questions. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Our client wants the following 'features' and we'd LIKE to be able to at least say "yes we can do that", even if we can also say "but we don't think it's a good idea". 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell that logs commands may do what they want, but personally I think that if you are going to log things then you really want to PROPERLY do it, and log the EXEC commands along with the arguments. (sadmin et al. doesn't give arguments, and neither does ktrace) 2/ they want to disable a login if it fails 'n' sequential logins anywhere in the system. i.e. 2 on one machine followed by another on another machine. #2 sounds like a great DOS to me.. operator operator operator heh heh heh but they want it.. So, does anyone have any suggestions of how these can be achieved using exisiting s/w? I can immagine using pam_radius, and hacking a radius server to track login fails.. Anyone have any better ideas? Maybe a pam_module specially written? (hmmmm) Anyoone have any modules to REALLY log execs? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 18: 4:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FB137B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457A443F93 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:04:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1B24ISJ027280; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:04:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1B24IUD027279; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:04:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:04:18 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200302110204.h1B24IUD027279@apollo.backplane.com> To: Terry Lambert Cc: Joe O , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performanceresults (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) References: <20030210120212.G47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> <3E4855B5.F8C90526@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Matthew Dillon wrote: :> The "vga" driver works in low resolution modes. The "vesa" driver :> does not work. Via has a linux driver on their CD for X, called "via", :> which linux people seem to be using successfully, but I can't find :> sources anywhere. I don't understand why these companies don't just :> include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. : :The do not because then people could leverage their work by :building hardware which does not license anything from them, :but operates compatably. The same reason Adaptec developed :their "HIM" layer, to prevent people from using Adaptec SCSI :drivers with non-Adaptec hardware, and getting all the work :they did to get the driver into the Windows base OS, for free. : :Basically, it's done to amortize non-recurring non-developement :related collateral business costs. : :Or, if you're Diamond, it's done because you hired an EE to :do your firmware instead of a software engineer, and a third :party driver could cause your hardware or an external monitor :to explode. 8-). : :-- Terry This doesn't make any sense to me. There are a huge number of open-source drivers available, why would a third party want to "steal" the hardware layer to VIA's hardware just to emulate it? Why not some other hardware abstraction that is already available in open-source form? From a business perspective I just don't see how this could possibly effect VIA's bottom line. It isn't rocket science we're talking about here, it's a sodding frame buffer. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 18:17:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B3D37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DA843F3F for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:17:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from interjet.elischer.org (12-232-168-4.client.attbi.com[12.232.168.4]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with ESMTP id <2003021102174500100g2tsge>; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:17:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA52499; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:17:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:17:42 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Peter Wemm Cc: Jordan Hubbard , "Simon L. Nielsen" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20030211020152.444692A8B4@canning.wemm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Um, is the sarcasm needed? The guy really does want to know if this would be helpful or not.. On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Peter Wemm wrote: > Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Wow, deja-vu! > > Hey! I've got a GREAT idea! I whipped up this nifty perl script and > I can run it over the src tree to delete all the trailing whitespace! > And even better, I can collapse tabs at the beginning of lines! What > a great deal! That should be good for a few hundred commits! > > :-) > > > - Jordan > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > I have noticed that that several FreeBSD files (.c, .h and so on) have > > > trailing whitespace (spaces/tabs after last charecter on a line). > > > > > > Should I send patches for this, or is it not important to "fix"? > > > > > > A random example is stdbool.h v. 1.6 on line 30 which has a trailing > > > tab. > > > > > > -- > > > Simon L. Nielsen > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > Cheers, > -Peter > -- > Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com > "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 18:27:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3190037B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFF843F93 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:27:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0213.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.213] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18iQ8q-0000ND-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:27:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3E485F3A.758ED893@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:26:02 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wemm Cc: Jordan Hubbard , "Simon L. Nielsen" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD References: <20030211020152.444692A8B4@canning.wemm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a44d5b08bc17240dec927a66b2b68fff69350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Wemm wrote: > Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Wow, deja-vu! > > Hey! I've got a GREAT idea! I whipped up this nifty perl script and > I can run it over the src tree to delete all the trailing whitespace! > And even better, I can collapse tabs at the beginning of lines! What > a great deal! That should be good for a few hundred commits! > > :-) No, no! We should run GNU indent on all code, as it's committed, with a BDE-filter and FlexiLint on it! That will fix *everything*, since there is no such thing as a logic bug! -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 18:40:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0A537B401; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from milla.ask33.net (milla.ask33.net [217.197.166.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA16643F3F; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@milla.ask33.net) Received: by milla.ask33.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EA9823ABB2D; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:40:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:40:28 +0100 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Julian Elischer Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, des@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. Message-ID: <20030211024028.GH392@garage.freebsd.pl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17/8oYur5Y32USnW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key-URL: http://garage.freebsd.pl/jules.asc X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --17/8oYur5Y32USnW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 06:03:07PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: +> Anyoone have any modules to REALLY log execs? Yes, we got: http://cerber.sourceforge.net If You want only execve() logging You can try rexec. --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek UNIX Systems Administrator http://garage.freebsd.pl Am I Evil? Yes, I Am. --17/8oYur5Y32USnW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBPkhinD/PhmMH/Mf1AQF9lQQAll5E82mowzei1lKvDQMF5o4fKAIRrTxG dV+c6VCqLRlznj+k3WmlBa8vqCsdXkfnzDi6bseX5I97tHG0NEKQHMR2/y8ODToA 2r61JmVlBja7FAm/EkQD29iD29KNXrqGLHVNZzvHlWbEDdqyTN2lcHoFnYToXEaE RU6rWbNo2mU= =O737 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17/8oYur5Y32USnW-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 18:48:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D6E37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from castle.jp.FreeBSD.org (castle.jp.FreeBSD.org [210.226.20.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7834143F3F for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by castle.jp.FreeBSD.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.3) with ESMTP/inet6 id h1B2mPJ77861; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:48:25 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <3E480335.7010706@isi.edu> References: <3E480335.7010706@isi.edu> X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 XEmacs/21.5 (bamboo) X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 9 From: Makoto Matsushita To: larse@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: anoncvs.freebsd.org reachability Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:48:22 +0900 Message-Id: <20030211114822S.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG larse> Is there a mirror somewhere? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/anoncvs.html The FreeBSD Handbook is your friend :-) There are 4 servers listed. -- - Makoto `MAR' Matsushita To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 18:51: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B221A37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:51:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98DA43F93 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:51:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0213.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.213] helo=mindspring.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18iQVd-0005Jg-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:50:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4864BD.EE2370A7@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:49:33 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Joe O , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performanceresults (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) References: <20030210120212.G47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> <3E4855B5.F8C90526@mindspring.com> <200302110204.h1B24IUD027279@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4bd7e7831d84fdba2b66012984c108aca666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > :> The "vga" driver works in low resolution modes. The "vesa" driver > :> does not work. Via has a linux driver on their CD for X, called "via", > :> which linux people seem to be using successfully, but I can't find > :> sources anywhere. I don't understand why these companies don't just > :> include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. > : > :The do not because then people could leverage their work by > :building hardware which does not license anything from them, > :but operates compatably. The same reason Adaptec developed > :their "HIM" layer, to prevent people from using Adaptec SCSI > :drivers with non-Adaptec hardware, and getting all the work > :they did to get the driver into the Windows base OS, for free. > : > :Basically, it's done to amortize non-recurring non-developement > :related collateral business costs. > > This doesn't make any sense to me. There are a huge number of > open-source drivers available, why would a third party want to > "steal" the hardware layer to VIA's hardware just to emulate it? > Why not some other hardware abstraction that is already available > in open-source form? From a business perspective I just don't > see how this could possibly effect VIA's bottom line. It isn't > rocket science we're talking about here, it's a sodding frame > buffer. These people operate on very low margins. They can not afford to give things away. If they did not have to worry about producing documentation, or even drivers, internally, then they reduce their amortizable R&D costs by 0.5%, which is a significant fraction of their profit margin. It's the same reason a proprietary software vendor would not release R&D results under Open Source license: by spending $1M on R&D, and then giving the results away, they bootstrap any competitor to themselves by removing just that much R&D costs. Using the $1M number, if I'm a business operating on a 5% margin, and I expect to make $5M over a 1 year product lifecycle, then I give away the $1M in R&D, I now have two problems. First of all, if 5% is $5M, then the lowest I can possibly afford to go is a 1% profit margin, because that's required to recover my R&D costs, while a competitor can take 0.5% or 0% -- either way, they can undersut my prices, and I can't afford to compete. Second of all, if I didn't feel that I was building a product that could win in the marketplace -- and that product includes not only the end-user product, but the support systems and business systems behind it -- then I would be building something else. So I *honestly* believe I have intellectual property tied up in the interface design, and I *honestly* believe that I can attach a monetary value to this. Third, I have business processes which cost me to develop, which are generally matched to my product design. The closer the match, the lower my operating costs, the higher my profit. Part one of this is that I want to make it hard to copy these processes outright and be successful. I do this by not disclosing information about the processes, and by not disclosing information about the product: like a binary weapon, neither of these can be used against me, if my competitor does not have the other. Part two of this is that some of these business processes are preemptible, and I need to prevent that happening, or my employees are, in effect working for my competitor. For example, if my hardware design has a known flaw (it might even be intentional, so that if the design is copied, I have a "fingerprint" proving it), then any of my dealers would be able to correct this flaw for my competitors customers, and may in fact not know they are cutting their own sales margins by doing so. Best case, a customer called in Pirate Enterprises with a problem, and then Pirate Enterprises calls *my* support people and gets a fix for their problem -- I have become Tier II support for my competition! Worst case, the driver indicates my company, and the customer calls me directly with the problem -- I have become Tier I support for my competition! Basically, there are a lot of business reasons for this, and they all have to do with protecing myself from being screwed by my competition. Yes, I agree, in many cases, the belief-in-value-proposition is not justified: a framebuffer is a framebuffer, after all; but even if that's the case, you can't expect everyone to understand "Enlightened Self Interest", or every piece of software with tactical value, but no strategic value, would be Open Source, and there would be clear lines of division in interface definitions between strategic and tactical components. Companies whose belief-in-value-proposition is not justified will, eventually, lose out to some other company. 9 out of 10 new businesses fail in the first year, and 8 out of 10 of the remainder fail in 5 years. Until then, they will do annoying things like treating tactical data as if it were strategic, etc.. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 18:53:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320BF37B401; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from milla.ask33.net (milla.ask33.net [217.197.166.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B2543F75; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:53:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@milla.ask33.net) Received: by milla.ask33.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 89D9F3ABB2D; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:53:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:53:47 +0100 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Julian Elischer Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, des@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. Message-ID: <20030211025347.GI392@garage.freebsd.pl> References: <20030211024028.GH392@garage.freebsd.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gTY1JhLGodeuSBqf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030211024028.GH392@garage.freebsd.pl> X-PGP-Key-URL: http://garage.freebsd.pl/jules.asc X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --gTY1JhLGodeuSBqf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:40:28AM +0100, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: +> +> Anyoone have any modules to REALLY log execs? +>=20 +> Yes, we got: +>=20 +> http://cerber.sourceforge.net +>=20 +> If You want only execve() logging You can try rexec. Or wait on cerb-ng first release. There is defined such policy and it looks like: if (syscall =3D=3D SYS_execve) { log(LOG_INFO, "CerbNG:%s(%s): Running %s(%s) (args: %S) " "[pid=3D%u, ruid=3D%u, euid=3D%u, groups=3D%U].", pname, pfname, arg[0], realpath(arg[0]), arg[1], pid, ruid, euid, groups); } Output in logs is something like: CerbNG:passwd(/usr/bin/passwd): Running pwd_mkdb(/usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb) (args:= [ "pwd_mkdb", "-p", "-d", "/etc", "-u", "jules" ]) [pid=3D666, ruid=3D1000= , euid=3D0, groups=3D[ 1000, 1000, 0 ]]. --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek UNIX Systems Administrator http://garage.freebsd.pl Am I Evil? Yes, I Am. --gTY1JhLGodeuSBqf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBPkhluz/PhmMH/Mf1AQFAGgP/ZilbO7auFu7jNeqe++eS21z08dtn+ahZ LES69vxN7xxZMiBTcu/df8p0Ey3gFQ16zlmZWciI044vDXCAbIVbct3SKIjZxc7s AgnD7XrTzEpqoymrtfKo8CjoweIl8y2m+8K3SVK08C6P90/s8Q+FlvJ8Q5ZreVI3 uIl0T4Oial8= =V7T+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gTY1JhLGodeuSBqf-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 18:56:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1FB37B401; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:56:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunjin.wccnet.org (gunjin.wccnet.org [198.111.176.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE6443FAF; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:56:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anthony@gunjin.wccnet.org) Received: from gunjin.wccnet.org (localhost.rexroof.com [127.0.0.1]) by gunjin.wccnet.org (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h1B2vFgo039483; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from anthony@localhost) by gunjin.wccnet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h1B2vFlf039482; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:57:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:57:15 -0500 From: Anthony Schneider To: Julian Elischer Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, des@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. Message-ID: <20030211025715.GA39077@x-anthony.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > #2 sounds like a great DOS to me.. > operator > > operator > > operator > put a two (ten???) second delay after each failed login? as for the commands, you could hack sys/kern_acct.c to include command arguments and acct.h for struct acct and all the dependent utilities and libraries and remember that since acct_process writes accounting information on process exit, there's no guarantee that the arguments are the same as when passed to execve. so in the end, this is probably not the best way to do it. -Anthony. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 19:45: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF0637B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.2.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB2843F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:44:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h1B3ioNr246828; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:44:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:44:48 -0500 To: "Simon L. Nielsen" From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.3 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: >> >>I have noticed that that several FreeBSD files (.c, .h and so >>on) have trailing whitespace (spaces/tabs after last charecter >>on a line). >> >>Should I send patches for this, or is it not important to "fix"? It might be "nice" to fix, in some abstract sense, but it drives developers nuts if you modify a file that they've checked out a local copy of. They go to commit their change back in (a change which is usually something more significant than a damn trailing blank or tab character), and the commit runs into a conflict because someone else has "cleaned up" the source code. So, this is something that a developer might want to do if they are going to be working on some source file anyway. However, it can really irritate a lot of developers if it is done across the entire src tree "just because it is easy to do". Further, IMO it doesn't really help the FreeBSD project at all. Imagine a new release which said "And now with less blanks in the source code!" for the release notes. Our end-users would think we are nuts. It is better to tackle a harder project -- one which has an actual payback to the end users -- instead of looking for something this easy to do. Just my 2 cents. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 20:15:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18DF37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ambrisko.com (adsl-64-174-51-42.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.174.51.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D3243F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ambrisko@www.ambrisko.com) Received: from www.ambrisko.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ambrisko.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1B4EhF0082950; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ambrisko@www.ambrisko.com) Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by www.ambrisko.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1B4EgOg082949; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ambrisko) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <200302110414.h1B4EgOg082949@www.ambrisko.com> Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) In-Reply-To: To: Julian Elischer Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:14:42 -0800 (PST) Cc: Matthew Dillon , Joe O , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer writes: | On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Matthew Dillon wrote: | > :I can't find any online specs to tell me if the graphics part of the | > :Northbridge has understands the VESA stuff. Does the XFree86 "vesa" | > :driver work? | > : | > :Also found this forum discussion... | > : | > :http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=30617 | > | > M 9000 X11 update: | > | > The "vga" driver works in low resolution modes. The "vesa" driver | > does not work. Via has a linux driver on their CD for X, called "via", | > which linux people seem to be using successfully, but I can't find | > sources anywhere. I don't understand why these companies don't just | > include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. | | Try use the linux binary... | believe it or not the latest XFree86 release has a loadable driver | interface that is completely cross-OS compatible. I.e the drivers | can not call any external calls only those provided by teh OS-specific | framework into which they are loaded. | | Something that they have done very right.. | I've seen several manufacturer supplied drivers for "Linux" work under | FreeBSD. ... and for a I while I was supplying Linux folks with a working XFree server module for an IBM 770Z ThinkPad built on FreeBSD of course! Doug A. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 20:34:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1968137B405 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from jkh-gw.queasyweasel.com (adsl-64-173-3-158.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.3.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8324944031 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:34:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Received: from queasyweasel.com (jkh@narcissus.freebsd.com [64.173.15.99]) by jkh-gw.queasyweasel.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1B4YCWD023814; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:34:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:34:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG To: Peter Wemm From: Jordan K Hubbard In-Reply-To: <20030211020152.444692A8B4@canning.wemm.org> Message-Id: <2963AA2F-3D7A-11D7-8A2A-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you take up sky-diving* and chain-smoking next, we're gonna be REALLY worried** about you, Peter! - Jordan * Obligatory trivia: I wonder how many remember that freefall was named after Rod's passion for the sport ** Not that we aren't already. On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 06:01 PM, Peter Wemm wrote: > Jordan Hubbard wrote: >> Wow, deja-vu! > > Hey! I've got a GREAT idea! I whipped up this nifty perl script and > I can run it over the src tree to delete all the trailing whitespace! > And even better, I can collapse tabs at the beginning of lines! What > a great deal! That should be good for a few hundred commits! > > :-) > >> - Jordan >> >> On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> I have noticed that that several FreeBSD files (.c, .h and so on) >>> have >>> trailing whitespace (spaces/tabs after last charecter on a line). >>> >>> Should I send patches for this, or is it not important to "fix"? >>> >>> A random example is stdbool.h v. 1.6 on line 30 which has a trailing >>> tab. >>> >>> -- >>> Simon L. Nielsen >>> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message >> > > Cheers, > -Peter > -- > Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com > "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- Jordan K. Hubbard Engineering Manager, BSD technology group Apple Computer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 20:39:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C4B37B405 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from jkh-gw.queasyweasel.com (adsl-64-173-3-158.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.3.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C433343FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:39:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Received: from queasyweasel.com (jkh@narcissus.freebsd.com [64.173.15.99]) by jkh-gw.queasyweasel.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1B4ckWD023837; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:38:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:39:26 -0800 Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: Peter Wemm , "Simon L. Nielsen" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG To: Julian Elischer From: Jordan K Hubbard In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Needed? Probably not. But look at it this way - he's learned a lot more about FreeBSD project history and why this one's such an exposed nerve in the process than he probably ever would have otherwise. Did he want to learn this? Well, we'll just have to let him answer that for himself. :) - Jordan On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 06:17 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: > Um, is the sarcasm needed? > The guy really does want to know if this would be helpful or not.. > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Peter Wemm wrote: > >> Jordan Hubbard wrote: >>> Wow, deja-vu! >> >> Hey! I've got a GREAT idea! I whipped up this nifty perl script and >> I can run it over the src tree to delete all the trailing whitespace! >> And even better, I can collapse tabs at the beginning of lines! What >> a great deal! That should be good for a few hundred commits! >> >> :-) >> >>> - Jordan >>> >>> On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> I have noticed that that several FreeBSD files (.c, .h and so on) >>>> have >>>> trailing whitespace (spaces/tabs after last charecter on a line). >>>> >>>> Should I send patches for this, or is it not important to "fix"? >>>> >>>> A random example is stdbool.h v. 1.6 on line 30 which has a trailing >>>> tab. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Simon L. Nielsen >>>> >>> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message >>> >> >> Cheers, >> -Peter >> -- >> Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com >> "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message >> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- Jordan K. Hubbard Engineering Manager, BSD technology group Apple Computer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 20:59:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9565337B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CAB43F3F for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jjirsa@hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:jjirsa@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1B4xV6F009101 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:59:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (jjirsa@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id h1B4xVnQ009086 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:59:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: odin.ac.hmc.edu: jjirsa owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:59:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Jirsa X-X-Sender: To: Subject: [PATCH] misc/18466 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1383707872-1356066766-1044939463=:7571" Content-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. 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Nielsen" , "" Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <2963AA2F-3D7A-11D7-8A2A-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com> Message-ID: <20030210231214.Q4996-100000@patrocles.silby.com> References: <2963AA2F-3D7A-11D7-8A2A-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Jordan K Hubbard wrote: > * Obligatory trivia: I wonder how many remember that freefall was named > after Rod's passion for the sport I've always wondered about that... unfortunately, the answer is much less exciting than I had expected it to be. THANKS FOR RUINING MY BELIEFS ABOUT FREEBSD, JORDAN. /me goes off in search of a new hobby with new mysteries. Mike "Silby" Silbersack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 21: 9:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B9137B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.det3.ameritech.net (mailhost2-sfldmi.sfldmi.ameritech.net [206.141.193.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E1843FBF for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:09:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbailey27@ameritech.net) Received: from ameritech.net ([67.38.6.6]) by mailhost.det3.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20030211050914.PUDD20886.mailhost.det3.ameritech.net@ameritech.net>; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3E48856B.90107@ameritech.net> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:08:59 -0500 From: northern snowfall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020518 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Silbersack Cc: Jordan K Hubbard , Peter Wemm , "Simon L. Nielsen" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD References: <2963AA2F-3D7A-11D7-8A2A-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com> <20030210231214.Q4996-100000@patrocles.silby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > >THANKS FOR RUINING MY BELIEFS ABOUT FREEBSD, JORDAN. > Hahaha Take that, Silbersack's beliefs! > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 21:12:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FE237B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from geekpunk.net (adsl-154-184-139.bna.bellsouth.net [68.154.184.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618B943F75 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bandix@geekpunk.net) Received: from localhost.my.domain (taran [127.0.0.1]) by geekpunk.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1B5CxgZ035472; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:12:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bandix@geekpunk.net) Received: (from bandix@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1B5CteW035471; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:12:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bandix) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:12:55 -0600 From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: northern snowfall Cc: Mike Silbersack , Jordan K Hubbard , Peter Wemm , "Simon L. Nielsen" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20030211051255.GJ34314@geekpunk.net> References: <2963AA2F-3D7A-11D7-8A2A-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com> <20030210231214.Q4996-100000@patrocles.silby.com> <3E48856B.90107@ameritech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E48856B.90107@ameritech.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:08:59AM -0500, northern snowfall wrote: > > > > > >THANKS FOR RUINING MY BELIEFS ABOUT FREEBSD, JORDAN. > > > Hahaha > Take that, Silbersack's beliefs! Why, they've been sacked. *duck* Brandon D. Valentine -- brandon@dvalentine.com http://www.geekpunk.net "We've been raised on replicas of fake and winding roads, and day after day up on this beautiful stage we've been playing tambourine for minimum wage, but we are real; I know we are real." -- David Berman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 21:28:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D7E37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130A743FAF for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:28:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46E82A8C2; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:28:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Mike Silbersack Cc: Jordan K Hubbard , "Simon L. Nielsen" , "" Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20030210231214.Q4996-100000@patrocles.silby.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:28:37 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030211052837.E46E82A8C2@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Silbersack wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Jordan K Hubbard wrote: > > > * Obligatory trivia: I wonder how many remember that freefall was named > > after Rod's passion for the sport > > I've always wondered about that... unfortunately, the answer is much less > exciting than I had expected it to be. > > THANKS FOR RUINING MY BELIEFS ABOUT FREEBSD, JORDAN. Heh, bet you didn't know that bento's predecessor was called "thud". And we had a 'ripcord' for a while too. I just dont remember exactly which machine it became. I think it was a temporary name for the machine that became hub. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 22:37:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DAB37B405 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1tx.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74ECA43F93 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:37:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@soco.agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3649E1436 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:37:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (mina.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.157]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEF757D for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:37:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3 SMKit7.1.1_Agilent) with ESMTP id WAA09216 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:37:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200302110637.WAA09216@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:07:33 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.7) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:37:20 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > Summary: > > EPIA M 9000 17-25W > EPIA M E6000 16-22W > EPIA 800 11-20W > EPIA 5000 9-15W (5W idle, 15W playing DVD) > > (this is non-inclusive of any hard drives) That's not bad (taking into account the lack of hard drives). For comparison purposes, here are a couple of random data points: [ NOTE: the following *includes* power consumption by hard drives, etc., but no monitor. ] System #1: ~70W 333MHz Celeron (66MHz FSB), 384MB RAM, Abit BH6 motherboard Some generic ATI Rage-based video card 10GB IBM drive (might be 60GXP -- I've forgotten) Two Maxtor DiamondMax 7200RPM 120GB drives Promise Ultra100 TX2 Intel Pro 100/S LAN Some generic DVDROM drive, floppy No extra cooling fans (yet?) System #2: ~170W (~200W+ with 100% CPU & 3D rendering) Athlon 2100XP, 768MB PC2100 RAM (slow ;-(), Asus a7v8x motherboard Nvidia GeForce4 Ti200 video card, w/128MB LeadTek WinFast TV2000XP TV card 60GB IBM drive (60GXP, I think) 40GB Maxtor DiamondMax drive Plextor 12/10/32 CDRW Pioneer DVDROM, floppy Intel Pro 100/S LAN One extra cooling fan (in addition to the two in the power supply). Power was measured using an actual wattmeter, and not via an ampmeter (although, as modern PC power supplies supposed are now supposed to be power-factor-corrected, an ampmeter can give good results). -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 10 23:59:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A46A37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F7743F3F for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:59:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 423D3536E; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:59:49 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Julian Elischer Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:59:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Julian Elischer's message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:03:07 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer writes: > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell > that logs commands may do what they want, but personally I > think that if you are going to log things then you really want to > PROPERLY do it, and log the EXEC commands along with the arguments. > (sadmin et al. doesn't give arguments, and neither does ktrace) "Yes, we can do that" in the sense that it can be implemented if there's a demand for it, but I don't think any existing code can do it. > 2/ they want to disable a login if it fails 'n' sequential logins > anywhere in the system. i.e. 2 on one machine followed by another on > another machine. "Yes we can do that" with a smart PAM module. > I can immagine using pam_radius, and hacking a radius server > to track login fails.. Anyone have any better ideas? > Maybe a pam_module specially written? (hmmmm) PAM has a mechanism which allows for arbitrary named objects to be stored for the duration of a PAM transaction, along with a destructor which is called when the object is released (either explicitly or when the transaction ends). You could write a PAM module which stores an object in the authenticate phase, then modifies its contents in the setcred phase (which only occurs if authentication was successful). The destructor would register success or failure in a database depending on whether the object was modified before release. The exact nature of that database is not important. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 0: 4:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E984037B401; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from foem.leiden.webweaving.org (fia224-72.dsl.hccnet.nl [62.251.72.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C0943F93; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:04:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dirkx@webweaving.org) Received: from foem (foem [10.11.0.2]) by foem.leiden.webweaving.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1B84Bwc040543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:04:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dirkx@webweaving.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:04:11 +0100 (CET) From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik X-X-Sender: dirkx@foem.leiden.webweaving.org To: Julian Elischer Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030211090102.A39612-100000@foem.leiden.webweaving.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Julian Elischer wrote: > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell > that logs commands may do what they want, but personally I > think that if you are going to log things then you really want to > PROPERLY do it, and log the EXEC commands along with the arguments. > (sadmin et al. doesn't give arguments, and neither does ktrace) For a quick solution; we've simply used the script command - which execvp()'s into the shell. But that is nowhere near a ktrace. Dw. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 0: 6:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC2537B405 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bosvwl01.infosys.com (bosvwl01.progeon.com [216.52.49.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4459143F3F for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:06:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abhay_srivastava@infosys.com) Received: from 192.168.200.82 by bosvwl01.infosys.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:54:54 -0500 Received: from BLRKECIMR01.ad.infosys.com ([192.168.200.58]) by INDHUBBHS02.ad.infosys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:39:59 +0530 Received: from kecmsg11.ad.infosys.com ([192.168.200.69]) by BLRKECIMR01.ad.infosys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:39:58 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:39:42 +0530 Message-ID: <882B7E812BE14E4BA7E86387242C8DB902590528@kecmsg11.ad.infosys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD Thread-Index: AcLRcnGcg21B8qiYTyS9ymdHIQqInQAMkn/w From: "Abhay Kumar Srivastava" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2003 08:09:58.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[F82792E0:01C2D1A4] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do we have a "format" utility, similar to format in Solaris.=20 This makes it easier to ident the C code. Regards, Abhay -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wemm [mailto:peter@wemm.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:32 AM To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Simon L. Nielsen; freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD=20 Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Wow, deja-vu! Hey! I've got a GREAT idea! I whipped up this nifty perl script and I can run it over the src tree to delete all the trailing whitespace! And even better, I can collapse tabs at the beginning of lines! What a great deal! That should be good for a few hundred commits! :-) > - Jordan >=20 > On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: >=20 > > > > Hello > > > > I have noticed that that several FreeBSD files (.c, .h and so on) have > > trailing whitespace (spaces/tabs after last charecter on a line). > > > > Should I send patches for this, or is it not important to "fix"? > > > > A random example is stdbool.h v. 1.6 on line 30 which has a trailing > > tab. > > > > --=20 > > Simon L. Nielsen > > >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message >=20 Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 2: 3:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7ED37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF90B43F3F for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:03:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BA3PDm002624; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BA3PWe002623; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:03:25 -0800 From: David Schultz To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Joe O , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) Message-ID: <20030211100325.GA2570@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Dillon , Joe O , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030210120212.G47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Matthew Dillon : > I don't understand why these companies don't just > include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. Usually it's because they (wrongly) think it will protect their trade secrets from competitors. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 2:27:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1415637B401; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677C343FA3; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:27:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BARUDm002706; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:27:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BARUL6002705; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:27:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:27:30 -0800 From: David Schultz To: Julian Elischer Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, des@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. Message-ID: <20030211102730.GB2570@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, des@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Julian Elischer : > > Our client wants the following 'features' > and we'd LIKE to be able to at least say "yes we can do that", even if > we can also say "but we don't think it's a good idea". > > > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell > that logs commands may do what they want, but personally I > think that if you are going to log things then you really want to > PROPERLY do it, and log the EXEC commands along with the arguments. > (sadmin et al. doesn't give arguments, and neither does ktrace) > > 2/ they want to disable a login if it fails 'n' sequential logins > anywhere in the system. i.e. 2 on one machine followed by another on > another machine. For #1, I'd try to convince them that process accounting is close enough, and extend process accounting if they disagree. For #2, I'd try to convince them that their threat model is way out of whack and get new clients if they disagree. CapitalOne implemented #2 for their online credit card account management system, and people would launch DOS attacks as you describe by guessing random logins, so customer service learned to change peoples' passwords whenever they asked... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 2:28: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209C237B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73B443FAF for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:28:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9AB4A4 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:28:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D25CF2FDC1F; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:28:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:28:01 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: mdoc(7) question Message-ID: <20030211102801.GI393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers References: <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030210222412.GA33990@gothmog.gr> <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030210181744.GN5356@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030210222412.GA33990@gothmog.gr> <20030210181744.GN5356@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG # dnelson@allantgroup.com / 2003-02-10 12:17:44 -0600: > In the last episode (Feb 10), Roman Neuhauser said: > > I'm writing a man page for a utility I'm writing, and I want the option > > listing look like this: > > > > OPTIONS > > -h, --help > > Print a brief help message. > > > > -n, --dry-run > > Don't actually connect to the server. DDL generated by mktable.php > > is output on stdout. > > > > -H, --host=host > > Connect to server on host. > > > This is what I have right now: > > > > .Sh OPTIONS > > .Bl -ohang -compact > > Try .Bl -tag -width "indent" here instead. That creates a list with > "tags" or headers, and the description indented by the width of the > word "indent". # keramida@ceid.upatras.gr / 2003-02-11 00:24:12 +0200: > How about this? > > Here is a list: > .Bl -tag -width indent > .It Fl h , Fl \-help > Option description here. > .It Fl p , Fl \-print > Option description here. > .El Thanks guys. Is there a clean way to make sure that the description will always begin on the line below the tag line? IOW, with .Bl -tag, if the actual tag width is less than that of -width's argument, these two items will fold, and description will begin on the tag line. That's not what I want. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 2:45:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B9D37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6F143F75 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:45:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 32ACD10BF94; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:45:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:45:13 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20030211104512.GA327@nitro.dk> References: <20030210230057.GE798@nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.02.10 17:41:47 -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > >I have noticed that that several FreeBSD files (.c, .h and so on) have > >trailing whitespace (spaces/tabs after last charecter on a line). > Wow, deja-vu! /me runs and hides for not checking the achieves first :-) --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+SNQ48kocFXgPTRwRAva/AJ4zE7f+urgCtLknbS3re+wHhSrWYACfXaHX Wy0/yg6HfGOnz803e64lVgw= =ARIf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 3:34:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2141A37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout2.freenet.de (mout2.freenet.de [194.97.50.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E1643F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:34:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ino-qc@spotteswoode.de.eu.org) Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with asmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iYgX-0004VE-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:34:45 +0100 Received: from p3e9baaae.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.155.170.174] helo=spotteswoode.dnsalias.org) by mx5.freenet.de with asmtp (ID inode@freenet.de) (Exim 4.12 #2) id 18iYgW-0001sR-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:34:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 3084 invoked by uid 0); 11 Feb 2003 11:34:44 -0000 Date: 11 Feb 2003 12:34:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: "clemens fischer" To: "Yury Tarasievich" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making pkg_XXX tools smarter about file types... References: <3E42C148.4050807@acm.org> <3E440393.3080506@grsu.by> <3E47C1BA.9000500@grsu.by> In-Reply-To: <3E47C1BA.9000500@grsu.by> (Yury Tarasievich's message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:14:02 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i386-unknown-freebsd4.6.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yury Tarasievich : > ...then, Tim Kientzle wrote: > >> A better approach might be to simply fob it >> off on the user, i.e., >> >> # pkg_install foo-1.5 >> Warning: foo-1.5 requires bar-2.3, you have bar-1.7 installed. >> Proceed? [Y/n] i think this is the best approach. > In my opinion, user should be bothered with choices *only* when, like > in this example, when dependency isn't *at* *all* satisfied. User > definitely should *not* be bothered when differences are irrelevant to > the functionality. E.g., ask only when bar-1.7 is installed and 2.3+ > required, not when bar-1.7 is installed and say 1.4.1+ is required. but i've seen libraries/interfaces changed dramatically. i faintly remember a package which would not link to Qt-2, but insisted on Qt-1 beeing used. > I think dependencies could / should also have *upper* revision limit > (library interface change, e.g.). And there could also be > functionality of system-wide dependencies updating (isn't there one?) but you cannot possibly know at what version number in the future some API will change. anything like this could only make sense if an API is described in terms of functionality needed, at a much finer grained level than version numbers. > I've seen interesting concept of version number processing by > D.J.Bernstein (called slashpackage, I believe). slashpackage doesn't really solve this problem, it is just a more rigorous framework. but since many of DJBs followers make programs as small as possible, with functionality spread over several programs where others make one big program, the granularity is in fact smaller. Title: slashpackage.html URL: http://cr.yp.to/slashpackage.html Last Modified: Mon Jul 16 00:24:39 2001 Title: Google Search: link:http://cr.yp.to/slashpackage.html URL: http://www.google.com/search?q=link:http://cr.yp.to/slashpackage.html especially: Title: idtools URL: http://multivac.cwru.edu/idtools/ Last Modified: Mon Jan 13 23:03:02 2003 (there's another packaging system for /package which i can't remember the name of, unfortunately.) the Installation of every package in /package is always the same: Create /package if necessary, unpack the tarball there, and run package/build: # mkdir -p /usr/local/package # Any filesystem will do... # ln -s /usr/local/package / # as long as it's visible as /package # chmod 01755 /package/. # cd /package # bunzip2 < /path/to/admin_idtools-VERSION.tar.bz2 | tar -xpf - # cd admin/idtools-VERSION # package/build # sp-version /package/admin idtools VERSION # sp-links /package/admin/idtools/command /command /usr/local/bin Read package/README and package/INSTALL for more detailed instructions. the last two commands are missing in packages not relying on paul jarcs idtools, and most packages provide a comprehensive script called ./package/install containing the building and installation. so far i have installed dozens of packages from different authors for quite diverse purposes, and the mechanism rarely failed, and if it did, it was for reasons like a forgotten include or somesuch. note that none of the packages use autoconf, AFAIR. clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 3:44:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BE037B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:44:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from telecomitalia.it (smtpout.telecomitalia.it [156.54.232.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 683B443FE5 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:44:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fabrizio.fresco@telecomitalia.it) Received: (qmail 61996 invoked by alias); 11 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 61850 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2003 11:44:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO telecomitalia.it) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 11 Feb 2003 11:44:23 -0000 Message-ID: <3E48E221.C1B3A82B@telecomitalia.it> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:44:33 +0100 From: Fabrizio Fresco X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performanceresults (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) References: <20030210154856.X47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The video chip is a Castle Rock with mpeg2 decoder. The Linux driver of the epia-m is made of 2 piece, a kernel module and a X module. Both are only binary, and the installation is a pain because you can't recompile the kernel, you must use the original kernel. For example you can't patch the kernel for the ata133 driver, so no dma is used... otherwise you must modify kernel symbols by hand..... BTW read this thread on the via forum, there are some news from via! http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=31501 Hope this help. bye Joe O wrote: > > If the linux XFree86 4.x driver was correctly written you should be able > to dump it into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers and use it. > > One of the goals with XFree86 4.x was that the X server modules be OS > independent. > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > > :I can't find any online specs to tell me if the graphics part of the > > :Northbridge has understands the VESA stuff. Does the XFree86 "vesa" > > :driver work? > > : > > :Also found this forum discussion... > > : > > :http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=30617 > > > > M 9000 X11 update: > > > > The "vga" driver works in low resolution modes. The "vesa" driver > > does not work. Via has a linux driver on their CD for X, called "via", > > which linux people seem to be using successfully, but I can't find > > sources anywhere. I don't understand why these companies don't just > > include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. > > > > I *think* the EPIA M 9000 is using a variant of the S3 Savage, but if > > so they have heavily modified the chip. I have had no luck trying to > > override the chip spec in my X configuration. > > > > -- > > > > Firewire update. I can't seemlessly connect and disconnect firewire > > devices, but if I connect the firewire HD up *before* kldload'ing > > the drivers, it works. > > > > -Matt > > Matthew Dillon > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Fabrizio Fresco -------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments are addressed solely to the persons above and may contain confidential information. If you have received the message in error, be informed that any use of the content hereof is prohibited. Please return it immediately to the sender and delete the message. Should you have any questions, please contact us by replying to webmaster@telecomitalia.it. Thank you www.telecomitalia.it -------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 6:22:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C33037B401; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AD243FAF; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h1BEMlfq095255; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:22:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:22:47 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: David Schultz Cc: Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, des@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. Message-ID: <20030211142247.GU5356@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20030211102730.GB2570@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030211102730.GB2570@HAL9000.homeunix.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Feb 11), David Schultz said: > Thus spake Julian Elischer : > > Our client wants the following 'features' and we'd LIKE to be able > > to at least say "yes we can do that", even if we can also say "but > > we don't think it's a good idea". > > > > 2/ they want to disable a login if it fails 'n' sequential logins > > anywhere in the system. i.e. 2 on one machine followed by another > > on another machine. > > For #2, I'd try to convince them that their threat model is way out > of whack and get new clients if they disagree. CapitalOne > implemented #2 for their online credit card account management > system, and people would launch DOS attacks as you describe by > guessing random logins, so customer service learned to change > peoples' passwords whenever they asked... Not having #2 in your internal network is a big red X on security audits, though. Netware did this right, where 3 (configureable) consecutive bad logins sets an intruder lockout flag, that gets cleared after 10 (configureable) minutes. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 6:29:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA68A37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A9243F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:29:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h1BETscV007316 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:29:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:29:54 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: mdoc(7) question Message-ID: <20030211142953.GV5356@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030210222412.GA33990@gothmog.gr> <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030210181744.GN5356@dan.emsphone.com> <20030211102801.GI393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030211102801.GI393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Feb 11), Roman Neuhauser said: > Thanks guys. Is there a clean way to make sure that the > description will always begin on the line below the tag line? > IOW, with .Bl -tag, if the actual tag width is less than that of > -width's argument, these two items will fold, and description > will begin on the tag line. That's not what I want. .br ( line break, just like html's
) should work: .Bl -tag -width indent .It Fl H .br Print a brief help message. .El -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 6:33:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEB737B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from grsu.by (grsu.by [194.158.202.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1BA843F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:33:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@grsu.by) Received: (qmail 27499 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2003 14:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grsu.by) (grog@195.50.13.207) by grsu.by with SMTP; 11 Feb 2003 14:28:11 -0000 Message-ID: <3E490861.70809@grsu.by> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:27:45 +0200 From: Yury Tarasievich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020829 X-Accept-Language: be, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making pkg_XXX tools smarter about file types... References: <3E42C148.4050807@acm.org> <3E440393.3080506@grsu.by> <3E47C1BA.9000500@grsu.by> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG clemens fischer wrote: >Yury Tarasievich : > >>...then, Tim Kientzle wrote: >> >>>A better approach might be to simply fob it >>>off on the user, i.e., >>> >>># pkg_install foo-1.5 >>>Warning: foo-1.5 requires bar-2.3, you have bar-1.7 installed. >>>Proceed? [Y/n] >>> >>> > >i think this is the best approach. > > I still disagree with that partially (as in quote below). >>In my opinion, user should be bothered with choices *only* when, like >>in this example, when dependency isn't *at* *all* satisfied. User >>definitely should *not* be bothered when differences are irrelevant to >>the functionality. E.g., ask only when bar-1.7 is installed and 2.3+ >>required, not when bar-1.7 is installed and say 1.4.1+ is required. >> >> > >but i've seen libraries/interfaces changed dramatically. i faintly >remember a package which would not link to Qt-2, but insisted on Qt-1 >beeing used. > > So have dependency list insist on having available qt-1. Not the most appropriate example, either (I would have thought of dividing line like "method changed behaviour over some revision number"). QT's have different naming schemes (IIRC) and different functionalities, effectively being 3 different packages. >>I think dependencies could / should also have *upper* revision limit >>(library interface change, e.g.). And there could also be >>functionality of system-wide dependencies updating (isn't there one?) >> >> > >but you cannot possibly know at what version number in the future >some API will change. anything like this could only make sense if an >API is described in terms of functionality needed, at a much finer >grained level than version numbers. > > I agree with that but then I don't see what is *the* problem? I believe it *is* known what functionality gets changed and how, when package goes through revision change? >>I've seen interesting concept of version number processing by >>D.J.Bernstein (called slashpackage, I believe). >> >> > >slashpackage doesn't really solve this problem, it is just a more >rigorous framework. but since many of DJBs followers make programs as > > [...] No, I was thinking about that (citing cr.yp.to/slashpackages/versions.html): > Which version is newer? > > Version numbers are required to start with digits, but they aren't > required to follow any particular numbering system. In particular, > they aren't required to increase lexicographically. One package might > have versions 2, 2.01, ..., 2.09, 2.1, 2.11, ..., 2.89, 2.9, etc., > while another package has versions 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, ..., 2.9, 2.10, > 2.11, etc.; 2.11 may be before or after 2.9. > > If you're building a package, you can include a file > ./package/versions that lists all the version numbers you've used so > far, one per line, in order. Then scripts can compare two versions to > see which one is newer. For example, if > /package/admin/daemontools-0.80/ package/versions says > > > 0.75 > 0.76 > 0.80 > > > while /package/admin/dameontools-0.92/package/versions says > > > 0.75 > 0.76 > 0.80 > 0.81 > 0.90 > 0.91 > 0.92 > > > then 0.92 is newer. This file also makes it possible to reliably > handle dependencies such as ``you must have version 0.81 or newer.'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 6:37:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A0037B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED43A43F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:37:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from emerger.yogotech.com (emerger.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25625; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:37:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by emerger.yogotech.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h1BEbgNL099759; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:37:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15945.2742.335711.629371@emerger.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:37:42 -0700 To: Peter Wemm Cc: Mike Silbersack , Jordan K Hubbard , "Simon L. Nielsen" , "" Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20030211052837.E46E82A8C2@canning.wemm.org> References: <20030210231214.Q4996-100000@patrocles.silby.com> <20030211052837.E46E82A8C2@canning.wemm.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Heh, bet you didn't know that bento's predecessor was called "thud". > And we had a 'ripcord' for a while too. I just dont remember exactly > which machine it became. I think it was a temporary name for the machine > that became hub. Don't forget gndrsh, which was freefall's replacement (and later became freefall). Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 6:38:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC19337B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088C143FDD for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:38:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from emerger.yogotech.com (emerger.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25593; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by emerger.yogotech.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h1BEXRGe099722; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:33:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15945.2487.804383.984965@emerger.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:33:27 -0700 To: Peter Wemm Cc: Jordan Hubbard , "Simon L. Nielsen" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trailing whitespace in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20030211020152.444692A8B4@canning.wemm.org> References: <20030211020152.444692A8B4@canning.wemm.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Wow, deja-vu! > > Hey! I've got a GREAT idea! I whipped up this nifty perl script and > I can run it over the src tree to delete all the trailing whitespace! > And even better, I can collapse tabs at the beginning of lines! What > a great deal! That should be good for a few hundred commits! Gofer it! Make sure to forward your commit email to Rod when you're done. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 6:46: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCF937B401; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A97643FAF; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:46:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BEjtDm003948; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BEjtaV003947; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:45:55 -0800 From: David Schultz To: Dan Nelson Cc: Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, des@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. Message-ID: <20030211144555.GA3846@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Dan Nelson , Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, des@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030211102730.GB2570@HAL9000.homeunix.com> <20030211142247.GU5356@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030211142247.GU5356@dan.emsphone.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Dan Nelson : > In the last episode (Feb 11), David Schultz said: > > Thus spake Julian Elischer : > > > Our client wants the following 'features' and we'd LIKE to be able > > > to at least say "yes we can do that", even if we can also say "but > > > we don't think it's a good idea". > > > > > > 2/ they want to disable a login if it fails 'n' sequential logins > > > anywhere in the system. i.e. 2 on one machine followed by another > > > on another machine. > > > > For #2, I'd try to convince them that their threat model is way out > > of whack and get new clients if they disagree. CapitalOne > > implemented #2 for their online credit card account management > > system, and people would launch DOS attacks as you describe by > > guessing random logins, so customer service learned to change > > peoples' passwords whenever they asked... > > Not having #2 in your internal network is a big red X on security > audits, though. Netware did this right, where 3 (configureable) > consecutive bad logins sets an intruder lockout flag, that gets cleared > after 10 (configureable) minutes. With an internal network, perhaps the DOS attack can be disregarded, but I still don't consider this to be the right approach. If you throttle the maximum allowable authentication attempt rate after an incorrect password to, say, 5 seconds, it would take an attacker 24 years to exhaust half of the possible 6-digit monocase alphabetic passwords, and many millenia to do the same for 8-digit alphanumeric passwords. (I take the former statistic to be a more realistic metric of the actual entropy in most passwords.) The attempts will show up in your audit logs in under 24 hours. There are better ways to do network intrusion detection, such as Vern Paxson's BRO. These systems detect attacks in a more general way, rather than looking specifically for online password-guessing attacks, which are rather minor threats these days. You deal with attacks by locking the attacker out of your network, rather than locking out the legitimate victim user. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 6:58:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26FD37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30D443FBD for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:58:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B5645E for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:58:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 25C9B2FDAF5; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:58:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:58:13 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: mdoc(7) question Message-ID: <20030211145813.GR393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers References: <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030210222412.GA33990@gothmog.gr> <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030210181744.GN5356@dan.emsphone.com> <20030211102801.GI393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030211142953.GV5356@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030211142953.GV5356@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG # dnelson@allantgroup.com / 2003-02-11 08:29:54 -0600: > In the last episode (Feb 11), Roman Neuhauser said: > > Thanks guys. Is there a clean way to make sure that the > > description will always begin on the line below the tag line? > > IOW, with .Bl -tag, if the actual tag width is less than that of > > -width's argument, these two items will fold, and description > > will begin on the tag line. That's not what I want. > > .br ( line break, just like html's
) should work: > > .Bl -tag -width indent > .It Fl H > .br > Print a brief help message. > .El yeah, that was it. thanks. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 8:14:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949F837B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:14:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2C643FAF for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmkml@wanadoo.fr) Received: from mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.79) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E0C337001D3B2CC for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:14:42 +0100 Received: from wanadoo.fr (80.13.24.215) by mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E26DA7000EDD618 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:14:42 +0100 Message-ID: <3E49220A.B3B7E5AB@wanadoo.fr> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:17:15 +0100 From: rmkml X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.21-pre2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: I need help References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> <002301c2d0f7$46df3d10$0799763e@semhome><001101c2d103$7f29ad20$0a2da8c0@sem> <000c01c2d112$8c469e50$0a2da8c0@sem> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Im a process pb on freebsd47R, and I start truss over, I view : ... gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) accept(0x6,0xbfadcfa4,0xbfadcfa0) ERR#35 'Resource temporarily unavailable' gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) poll(0x806d000,0x3,0x0) = 0 (0x0) poll(0x806d000,0x4,0x64) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) accept(0x6,0xbfadcfa4,0xbfadcfa0) ERR#35 'Resource temporarily unavailable' gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) poll(0x806d000,0x3,0x0) = 0 (0x0) poll(0x806d000,0x4,0x64) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) accept(0x6,0xbfadcfa4,0xbfadcfa0) ERR#35 'Resource temporarily unavailable' gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) poll(0x806d000,0x3,0x0) = 0 (0x0) poll(0x806d000,0x4,0x64) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) accept(0x6,0xbfadcfa4,0xbfadcfa0) ERR#35 'Resource temporarily unavailable' gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) poll(0x806d000,0x3,0x0) = 0 (0x0) poll(0x806d000,0x4,0x64) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) accept(0x6,0xbfadcfa4,0xbfadcfa0) ERR#35 'Resource temporarily unavailable' gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) poll(0x806d000,0x3,0x0) = 0 (0x0) ... sockstat : USER COMMAND PID FD PROTO LOCAL ADDRESS FOREIGN ADDRESS test dipath 4371 6 tcp4 127.0.0.1:12345 *:* test dipath 4371 9 tcp4 127.0.0.1:12345 127.0.0.1:393 test dipath 4371 10 tcp4 127.0.0.1:12345 127.0.0.1:433 test dipath 4371 11 tcp4 127.0.0.1:12345 127.0.0.1:420 netstat -an : Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.12345 127.0.0.1.433 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.12345 127.0.0.1.420 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.12345 127.0.0.1.393 CLOSE_WAIT tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.12345 *.* LISTEN Top : PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 4371 test 2 0 2248K 1052K poll 0:14 0.00% 0.00% dipath cat /proc/4371/map : 0x8048000 0x8057000 14 0 0xdd0b72a0 r-x 1 0 0x0 COW NC vnode 0x8057000 0x805b000 3 0 0xdd255c60 rw- 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0x805b000 0x8087000 24 0 0xdd25df00 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0x8087000 0x8089000 2 0 0xdd1f1ba0 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0x8089000 0x808b000 1 0 0xdd20eba0 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NC default 0x28057000 0x28069000 16 0 0xc023a9c0 r-x 56 26 0x0 COW NC vnode 0x28069000 0x2806a000 1 0 0xdd1daae0 rw- 1 0 0x2180 COW NC vnode 0x2806a000 0x2806c000 2 0 0xdd143300 rw- 1 0 0x2180 COW NC default 0x2806c000 0x28074000 5 0 0xdd25dae0 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NC default 0x28074000 0x2808b000 19 19 0xdd0b97e0 r-x 2 1 0x0 COW NC vnode 0x2808b000 0x2808f000 3 0 0xdd25da20 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NC vnode 0x2808f000 0x28125000 91 0 0xdd0ca3c0 r-x 6 3 0x0 COW NC vnode 0x28125000 0x2812a000 5 0 0xdd25e8a0 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC vnode 0x2812a000 0x28143000 14 0 0xdd19e180 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0x28143000 0x2814e000 6 0 0xc0238f20 r-x 13 4 0x0 COW NC vnode 0x2814e000 0x28150000 2 0 0xdd145000 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NC vnode 0x28150000 0x28157000 6 0 0xc0239100 r-x 28 12 0x0 COW NC vnode 0x28157000 0x28158000 1 0 0xdd1d97e0 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NC vnode 0x28158000 0x28169000 0 0 0 rwx 0 0 0x0 NCOW NNC none 0x28169000 0x28180000 8 0 0xdd076a80 r-x 12 6 0x0 COW NC vnode 0x28180000 0x28184000 3 0 0xdd1d8d80 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NC vnode 0x28184000 0x28185000 1 0 0xdd2ba4e0 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0xbfa56000 0xbfa66000 3 0 0xdd25d000 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NC default 0xbfa67000 0xbfa77000 4 0 0xdd137c00 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0xbfa78000 0xbfa88000 4 0 0xdd10f360 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0xbfa89000 0xbfa99000 4 0 0xdd256360 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0xbfa9a000 0xbfaaa000 4 0 0xdd19eae0 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0xbfaab000 0xbfabb000 4 0 0xdd256ba0 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0xbfabc000 0xbfacc000 4 0 0xdd255a20 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0xbfacd000 0xbfadd000 1 0 0xdd154300 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0xbfade000 0xbfaee000 1 0 0xdd255900 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default 0xbfaef000 0xbfaff000 1 0 0xdd2552a0 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NC default 0xbfaff000 0xbfb00000 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0x0 NCOW NNC none 0xbfbe0000 0xbfc00000 3 0 0xdd199ba0 rwx 1 0 0x2180 COW NNC default cat /proc/4371/rlimit : cpu -1 -1 fsize -1 -1 data 536870912 536870912 stack 67108864 67108864 core -1 -1 rss -1 -1 memlock -1 -1 nproc 1832 1832 nofile 3664 3664 sbsize -1 -1 vmem -1 -1 cat /proc/4371/status : dipath 4371 1 4371 4371 -1,-1 sldr 1044970782,348932 8,707860 5,749469 poll 1003 1003 1000,1000,1000 - Could you help me ? Regard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 10:58:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DAF37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [210.49.80.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173B543F75 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:58:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BIwRLZ053042; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 05:58:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jeremyp@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BIwQTB053041; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 05:58:26 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 05:58:26 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: rmkml Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need help Message-ID: <20030211185826.GA52986@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> <000c01c2d112$8c469e50$0a2da8c0@sem> <3E49220A.B3B7E5AB@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E49220A.B3B7E5AB@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:17:15PM +0100, rmkml wrote: >Im a process pb on freebsd47R, ... >gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) >gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) >accept(0x6,0xbfadcfa4,0xbfadcfa0) ERR#35 'Resource temporarily >unavailable' ... >Could you help me ? You need to provide more background. What is the process supposed to be doing? What is the problem you are seeing? ERR#35 just means that there is no outstanding TCP connect request. I suspect there is a bug in your process but without knowing what it is supposed to do or what the code looks like, it's impossible to say more. If you this this is a bug in FreeBSD, please explain what it is doing wrong and post a short test case that shows the bug. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 13:19:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDED37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:19:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ruth.r.its.enc.edu (fw1.enc.edu [63.85.52.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6213243F3F for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:19:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kingsled@enc.edu) Received: from noah.enc.edu (r1s5.r.its.enc.edu [10.100.0.15]) by ruth.r.its.enc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1BKpDVS000560; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:51:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kingsled@enc.edu) Received: from enc.edu (jezebel.its.enc.edu [10.1.10.46]) by noah.enc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1BLQcej060463; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:26:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kingsled@enc.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: noah.enc.edu: Host jezebel.its.enc.edu [10.1.10.46] claimed to be enc.edu Message-ID: <3E496A59.3080500@enc.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:25:45 -0500 From: Dave Kingsley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20030117 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Cc: owensc@enc.edu Subject: Jail Replication Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Good Afternoon! We have been trying to set up a system of jails on FreeBSD 5.0 machines. Building a jail from scratch seems to be no problem. Everything seems to work just fine. Here is our problem. We would like to be able to replicate jails quickly, both on the original host machine and on others as well. Creating a tar-ball, untarring in the new location, making necessary tweaks, seemed to work OK at first. But we can't reset passwords, etc. out side of sysinstall!? What are we doing wrong? What are we missing? Help! Thanks, -- Dave -- Dave Kingsley Voice: 617-745-3806 Systems Administrator FAX: 617-745-3907 Eastern Nazarene College 23 E. Elm Avenue E-mail: kingsled@enc.edu Quincy, MA 02170 *************************************************************** There are 10 types of people . . . . Those who understand binary, And those who don't! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 13:46:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EF037B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mobile.hub.org (u173n136.eastlink.ca [24.224.173.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90FE43F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:46:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: by mobile.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 27EDE3F54; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:46:50 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mobile.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196F83F51; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:46:50 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:46:50 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker X-X-Sender: scrappy@localhost To: Dave Kingsley Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, owensc@enc.edu Subject: Re: Jail Replication In-Reply-To: <3E496A59.3080500@enc.edu> Message-ID: <20030211174547.Y548@localhost> References: <3E496A59.3080500@enc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Dave Kingsley wrote: > Good Afternoon! > We have been trying to set up a system of jails on FreeBSD 5.0 machines. > > Building a jail from scratch seems to be no problem. Everything seems > to work > > just fine. Here is our problem. We would like to be able to replicate > jails > > quickly, both on the original host machine and on others as well. > > Creating a tar-ball, untarring in the new location, making necessary > tweaks, > > seemed to work OK at first. But we can't reset passwords, etc. out side of > > sysinstall!? What are we doing wrong? What are we missing? Good question, we do this on a near daily basis without any problems ... we use 'tar cvzpf' to create the archive (and xvzpf to extract) te archives, to ensure that permissions are maintained ... but that's it ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 14: 7:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6797337B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from corp.e-scape.net (corp.e-scape.net [216.13.52.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B9843FBD for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:07:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefanos@e-scape.net) Received: from corp.e-scape.net (localhost.e.scape.net [127.0.0.1]) by corp.e-scape.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA96074; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:57:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stefanos@corp.e-scape.net) Message-Id: <200302112157.QAA96074@corp.e-scape.net> To: kingsled@enc.edu Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, owensc@enc.edu Subject: Re: Jail Replication Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:57:05 -0500 From: Stefanos Kiakas Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, The easiest way is to set the jail up as a file using vnconfig. Then you just copy the file like any file, transfer it by FTP etc. Therefore by coping the original jail to a new file it has the default passwords which can then be changed as needed. Stefanos ------- Forwarded Message Message-ID: <3E496A59.3080500@enc.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:25:45 -0500 From: Dave Kingsley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20030117 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: owensc@enc.edu Subject: Jail Replication Good Afternoon! We have been trying to set up a system of jails on FreeBSD 5.0 machines. Building a jail from scratch seems to be no problem. Everything seems to work just fine. Here is our problem. We would like to be able to replicate jails quickly, both on the original host machine and on others as well. Creating a tar-ball, untarring in the new location, making necessary tweaks, seemed to work OK at first. But we can't reset passwords, etc. out side of sysinstall!? What are we doing wrong? What are we missing? Help! Thanks, - -- Dave - -- Dave Kingsley Voice: 617-745-3806 Systems Administrator FAX: 617-745-3907 Eastern Nazarene College 23 E. Elm Avenue E-mail: kingsled@enc.edu Quincy, MA 02170 *************************************************************** There are 10 types of people . . . . Those who understand binary, And those who don't! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 14:29:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B983037B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from postfix4-2.free.fr (postfix4-2.free.fr [213.228.0.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C18843F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nsouch@free.fr) Received: from armor.fastether (nas-cbv-11-62-147-118-14.dial.proxad.net [62.147.118.14]) by postfix4-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E9550C191 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:29:26 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 16075 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Feb 2003 22:44:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:44:56 +0100 From: Nicolas Souchu To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: dynamic hints Message-ID: <20030211234456.E15385@armor.fastether> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is that possible to change hints once booted? I noticed in the archive it was planned but none of the man pages refer to such a feature. Any patch around? Nicholas -- Nicholas Souchu - nsouch@free.fr - nsouch@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 14:33:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC08237B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE36C43F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:33:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0132.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.132] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18iirk-0005it-00; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:27:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3E49785F.A30FE623@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:25:35 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roman Neuhauser Cc: freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: mdoc(7) question References: <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030210222412.GA33990@gothmog.gr> <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030210181744.GN5356@dan.emsphone.com> <20030211102801.GI393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4185dbe2f9c8424af279c01f51d20f743a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Roman Neuhauser wrote: > Thanks guys. Is there a clean way to make sure that the description > will always begin on the line below the tag line? IOW, with > .Bl -tag, if the actual tag width is less than that of -width's > argument, these two items will fold, and description will begin on > the tag line. That's not what I want. Man pages kind of need to look like all other man pages. So while it's possible to do what you want, with enough effort, it is likely not a good idea for you to do it. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 15:32:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A8037B405 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay.omnis.com (smtp-relay.omnis.com [216.239.128.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E0443FDD for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from salty.rapid.stbernard.com (corp-2.ipinc.com [199.245.188.2]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F0E43644; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: Wesley Peters Organization: Softweyr To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Julian Elischer Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:32:28 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: hackers@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200302111532.28994.wes@softweyr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 10 February 2003 23:59, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Julian Elischer writes: > > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell > > that logs commands may do what they want, but personally I > > think that if you are going to log things then you really want to > > PROPERLY do it, and log the EXEC commands along with the arguments. > > (sadmin et al. doesn't give arguments, and neither does ktrace) > > "Yes, we can do that" in the sense that it can be implemented if > there's a demand for it, but I don't think any existing code can do > it. Did we somehow break acct(2), or is that somehow inadequate to the task? It should be ideal for what Julian's customer wants, I would think. See also acct(5), sa(8) and accton(8). > > 2/ they want to disable a login if it fails 'n' sequential logins > > anywhere in the system. i.e. 2 on one machine followed by another on > > another machine. > > "Yes we can do that" with a smart PAM module. VAX/VMS had something known as 'breakin evasion mode' on terminal devices: if more than X login attempts were noted in Y seconds, the system would delay an ever-increasing amount of time before it would issue the next login prompt. It would be straightforward to implement this on any authentication server, simply note the 'breakin attempt' and slow responses to the being attacked. I've not looked at any such servers for many years, but Radius certainly seemed simple enough to do this quickly in 1998. > > I can immagine using pam_radius, and hacking a radius server > > to track login fails.. Anyone have any better ideas? > > Maybe a pam_module specially written? (hmmmm) > > PAM has a mechanism which allows for arbitrary named objects to be > stored for the duration of a PAM transaction, along with a destructor > which is called when the object is released (either explicitly or when > the transaction ends). You could write a PAM module which stores an > object in the authenticate phase, then modifies its contents in the > setcred phase (which only occurs if authentication was successful). > The destructor would register success or failure in a database > depending on whether the object was modified before release. The > exact nature of that database is not important. It would be great to see a PAM implementation, then the server wouldn't matter. On the other hand, doing it at the server level would mean it's implemented on EVERYTHING, even network equipment with user accounts. The trick will be deciding which SNMP MIBs to control X, Y, and Z. Augh! -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 15:44:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3308537B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h76n3fls20o913.telia.com [213.67.148.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB71C43F75 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: (qmail 32369 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Feb 2003 23:44:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:44:35 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Wesley Peters Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Julian Elischer , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. Message-ID: <20030211234435.GA31050@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Wesley Peters , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Julian Elischer , hackers@freebsd.org References: <200302111532.28994.wes@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302111532.28994.wes@softweyr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:32:28PM -0800, Wesley Peters wrote: > On Monday 10 February 2003 23:59, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Julian Elischer writes: > > > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell > > > that logs commands may do what they want, but personally I > > > think that if you are going to log things then you really want to > > > PROPERLY do it, and log the EXEC commands along with the arguments. > > > (sadmin et al. doesn't give arguments, and neither does ktrace) > > > > "Yes, we can do that" in the sense that it can be implemented if > > there's a demand for it, but I don't think any existing code can do > > it. > > Did we somehow break acct(2), or is that somehow inadequate to the task? It > should be ideal for what Julian's customer wants, I would think. See also > acct(5), sa(8) and accton(8). acct(2) does not log the arguments to commands, just the commandnames. Since the arguments were specifically mentioned above acct(2) seems to be inadequate. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 16:43:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B64A37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23A943FA3 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from interjet.elischer.org (12-232-168-4.client.attbi.com[12.232.168.4]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <2003021200434900300duq45e>; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:43:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA61220; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:43:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:43:46 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Wesley Peters Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. In-Reply-To: <200302111532.28994.wes@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Wesley Peters wrote: > On Monday 10 February 2003 23:59, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Did we somehow break acct(2), or is that somehow inadequate to the task? It > should be ideal for what Julian's customer wants, I would think. See also > acct(5), sa(8) and accton(8). Acct doesn't give the arguments of the commands rexec (as pointed out earlier in this thread) does exactly what I want. e.g. (sorry about the linewrap) Feb 11 16:15:00 julian /kernel: restricted execve [init] Feb 11 16:15:00 julian /kernel: $Id: rexec.c,v 1.2 2002/08/26 13:20:05 dawidek Exp $ Feb 11 16:15:31 julian /kernel: rexec: [/usr/bin/tail] tail -f /var/log/messages (called by csh [95318]) (uid=0, gid=0, euid=0, egid=0) Feb 11 16:15:58 julian /kernel: rexec: [/bin/ls] ls -laR /usr/local/bin /usr/local/lib (called by tcsh [95319]) (uid=1000, gid=1000, euid=1000, egid=1000) Feb 11 16:16:09 julian /kernel: rexec: [/usr/bin/vi] vi /etc/passwd (called by tcsh [95320]) (uid=1000, gid=1000, euid=1000, egid=1000) Feb 11 16:16:48 julian /kernel: rexec: [/usr/bin/su] su (called by tcsh [95321]) (uid=1000, gid=1000, euid=1000, egid=1000) Feb 11 16:16:50 julian su: julian to root on /dev/ttyp9 Feb 11 16:16:50 julian /kernel: rexec: [/bin/csh] _su (called by su [95321]) (uid=0, gid=0, euid=0, egid=0) Feb 11 16:16:50 julian /kernel: rexec: [/bin/hostname] hostname -s (called by csh [95322]) (uid=0, gid=0, euid=0, egid=0) Feb 11 16:16:59 julian /kernel: rexec: [/sbin/kldunload] kldunload rexec (called by csh [95323]) (uid=0, gid=0, euid=0, egid=0) Feb 11 16:16:59 julian /kernel: restricted execve [unload] > > > > 2/ they want to disable a login if it fails 'n' sequential logins > > > anywhere in the system. i.e. 2 on one machine followed by another on > > > another machine. > > > > "Yes we can do that" with a smart PAM module. > > VAX/VMS had something known as 'breakin evasion mode' on terminal devices: > if more than X login attempts were noted in Y seconds, the system would > delay an ever-increasing amount of time before it would issue the next > login prompt. I vaguely remember encountering this on a unix system too.. what they want though is the same thing, over a whole network of machines.. i.e teh 'N' login attempts don;t have to be on the same machine for the patern to be noticed. We have this here using RSA "ACE" tokens, but we needn't go so far as that.. a radius server could keep track of successes and failures.. and pam_radius could hook it into all teh apps. > > It would be straightforward to implement this on any authentication server, > simply note the 'breakin attempt' and slow responses to the being attacked. > I've not looked at any such servers for many years, but Radius certainly > seemed simple enough to do this quickly in 1998. yes. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 17:25: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8387F37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay.omnis.com (smtp-relay.omnis.com [216.239.128.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F4243F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:25:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from salty.rapid.stbernard.com (corp-2.ipinc.com [199.245.188.2]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EC8439DC; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:17:32 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr.com To: Matthew Dillon , Julian Elischer Subject: Re: Got X working with via driver ( Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update ) results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:17:30 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: Matthew Emmerton , hackers@freebsd.org References: <200302110157.h1B1v0TZ027206@apollo.backplane.com> In-Reply-To: <200302110157.h1B1v0TZ027206@apollo.backplane.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200302111717.30999.wes@softweyr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 10 February 2003 17:57, Matthew Dillon wrote: > Very nasty but I got X working with the via driver by dummying up > libddmpeg (which is supplied along with via_drv.o on the VIA EPIA M 9000 > CD). Basically I linked libddmpeg.a with a dummy program to pull in the > required symbols and generated a new .so which does not link against > libc.so.6. > > With the dummied up libdmpeg.so in place the VIA-supplied driver > works. It complains a bit, but it works. > > http://apollo.backplane.com/FreeBSD/ > > I'll keep the page up unless VIA complains to me. I don't know why > they would, though. How dare you sell our products for us! Stop it this instant! I certainly hope they're not that stupid. I'm going to get a couple of these as test machines in our lab. Thanks for going the extra mile on this (as always) Matt. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 17:31: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF63537B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4A743F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:31:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B6F2A8C2; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:31:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nicolas Souchu Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dynamic hints In-Reply-To: <20030211234456.E15385@armor.fastether> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:31:04 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030212013104.86B6F2A8C2@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nicolas Souchu wrote: > > Is that possible to change hints once booted? > > I noticed in the archive it was planned but none of the man pages > refer to such a feature. > > Any patch around? Yes, sort-of. kenv(8) can change the strings. But I suspect it is too late for something like isa since I think it would have done a pass at boot to create the attachment nodes. But as configuration knobs for drivers that want to examine a string directly via getenv() etc, those would not be too late. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 17:38:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E9937B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:38:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mobile.hub.org (u173n136.eastlink.ca [24.224.173.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C03743FCB for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:38:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: by mobile.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B13CE3F60; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:38:19 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mobile.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C4B3F5E; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:38:19 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:38:19 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker X-X-Sender: scrappy@localhost To: Stefanos Kiakas Cc: kingsled@enc.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, owensc@enc.edu Subject: Re: Jail Replication In-Reply-To: <200302112157.QAA96074@corp.e-scape.net> Message-ID: <20030211213640.X548@localhost> References: <200302112157.QAA96074@corp.e-scape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Stefanos Kiakas wrote: > > > Hello, > > The easiest way is to set the jail up as a file using vnconfig. there are various software packages that will not work in a vnconfig environment ... I tried using it, and one of the issues I hit was a distinct lack of inodes until you got into some relatively large vnodes ... postfix was one piece of software that I just couldn't get to work in a vnode, as it always told me the message was too large, yet I had >30Meg of free space ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 18:32:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF8C37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:32:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from cauchy.axista.com (cauchy.superb.net [209.61.216.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D374943FBD for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cce@cauchy.axista.com) Received: by cauchy.axista.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6A14E6D0B1; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:46:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:46:33 +0000 From: "Clark C. Evans" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: tlambert2@mindspring.com Subject: Re: cd9660 and fcntl (shared locks) Message-ID: <20030212024633.GA75548@doublegemini.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This patch which Terry gave a while back works beautyfully for my needs and hasn't given me any problems. I was wondering if it could be applied to the main trunk? I'm asking beacause maintaining the patch (and a separate build) isn't ideal. Below is an updated patch which seems to work well against the current 4.X tree (I haven't tested against 5.X yet). Clark P.S. My patch follows Terry's On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 08:19:30PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: | "Clark C. Evans" wrote: | > When I open a file mounted via cd9660 as O_RDONLY and then flock(fd,LOCK_SH) | > it returns invalid argument; is there a reason why the cd-rom file | > system can't just return success here, make flock a no-op that is always | > successful? There are many cases where you want general code to use | > shared locks on files opened for reading to make sure that it doesn't | > get changed during the read. This general code should be useable on | > file systems mounted read only. | > | > Thoughts? Is there an easy patch? | | FreeBSD implements advisory locking wrong; I've tried to get it | fixed several times, but no one is interested. | | It looks like someone started to add suport, but then didn't, and | perpetuated the implementation problem. | | Here is a patch which finishes adding add advisory locking support | to isofs (wrong way to do it, but only way to do it without changing | VOP_ADVLOCK semantics). | | -- Terry | Index: isofs/cd9660/cd9660_vnops.c | =================================================================== | RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/isofs/cd9660/cd9660_vnops.c,v | retrieving revision 1.80 | diff -c -r1.80 cd9660_vnops.c | *** isofs/cd9660/cd9660_vnops.c 28 Sep 2002 17:14:52 -0000 1.80 | --- isofs/cd9660/cd9660_vnops.c 19 Nov 2002 00:13:27 -0000 | *************** | *** 53,58 **** | --- 53,59 ---- | #include | #include | #include | + #include | | #include | #include | *************** | *** 64,69 **** | --- 65,71 ---- | | static int cd9660_setattr(struct vop_setattr_args *); | static int cd9660_access(struct vop_access_args *); | + static int cd9660_advlock(struct vop_advlock_args *); | static int cd9660_getattr(struct vop_getattr_args *); | static int cd9660_ioctl(struct vop_ioctl_args *); | static int cd9660_pathconf(struct vop_pathconf_args *); | *************** | *** 776,787 **** | --- 778,808 ---- | } | | /* | + * Advisory record locking support | + */ | + static int | + cd9660_advlock(ap) | + struct vop_advlock_args /* { | + struct vnode *a_vp; | + caddr_t a_id; | + int a_op; | + struct flock *a_fl; | + int a_flags; | + } */ *ap; | + { | + struct iso_node *ip = VTOI(ap->a_vp); | + | + return (lf_advlock(ap, &(ip->i_lockf), ip->i_size)); | + } | + | + /* | * Global vfs data structures for cd9660 | */ | vop_t **cd9660_vnodeop_p; | static struct vnodeopv_entry_desc cd9660_vnodeop_entries[] = { | { &vop_default_desc, (vop_t *) vop_defaultop }, | { &vop_access_desc, (vop_t *) cd9660_access }, | + { &vop_advlock_desc, (vop_t *) cd9660_advlock }, | { &vop_bmap_desc, (vop_t *) cd9660_bmap }, | { &vop_cachedlookup_desc, (vop_t *) cd9660_lookup }, | { &vop_getattr_desc, (vop_t *) cd9660_getattr }, *** cd9660_vnops.c.orig Tue Feb 11 20:52:05 2003 --- cd9660_vnops.c Tue Feb 11 20:59:22 2003 *************** *** 52,57 **** --- 52,58 ---- #include #include #include + #include #include #include *************** *** 63,68 **** --- 64,70 ---- static int cd9660_setattr __P((struct vop_setattr_args *)); static int cd9660_access __P((struct vop_access_args *)); + static int cd9660_advlock __P((struct vop_advlock_args *)); static int cd9660_getattr __P((struct vop_getattr_args *)); static int cd9660_ioctl __P((struct vop_ioctl_args *)); static int cd9660_pathconf __P((struct vop_pathconf_args *)); *************** *** 858,869 **** --- 860,883 ---- } /* + * Advisory record locking support + */ + static int + cd9660_advlock(ap) + struct vop_advlock_args *ap; + { + struct iso_node *ip = VTOI(ap->a_vp); + return (lf_advlock(ap, &(ip->i_lockf), ip->i_size)); + } + + /* * Global vfs data structures for cd9660 */ vop_t **cd9660_vnodeop_p; static struct vnodeopv_entry_desc cd9660_vnodeop_entries[] = { { &vop_default_desc, (vop_t *) vop_defaultop }, { &vop_access_desc, (vop_t *) cd9660_access }, + { &vop_advlock_desc, (vop_t *) cd9660_advlock }, { &vop_bmap_desc, (vop_t *) cd9660_bmap }, { &vop_cachedlookup_desc, (vop_t *) cd9660_lookup }, { &vop_getattr_desc, (vop_t *) cd9660_getattr }, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 11 21: 2:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D49237B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-151-201-19-185.pitt.east.verizon.net (pool-151-201-19-185.pitt.east.verizon.net [151.201.19.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6685A43F75 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:02:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dacut@kanga.org) Received: from kanga.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pool-151-201-19-185.pitt.east.verizon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DB210C3F5 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:07:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E49D686.1030806@kanga.org> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:07:18 -0500 From: David Cuthbert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)) References: <20030210120212.G47233-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> <200302102042.h1AKghcu023195@apollo.backplane.com> <20030211100325.GA2570@HAL9000.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20030211100325.GA2570@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Schultz wrote: > Thus spake Matthew Dillon : >> I don't understand why these companies don't just >> include sources for their X drivers, it would make life so much easier. > Usually it's because they (wrongly) think it will protect their > trade secrets from competitors. That's part of it. I don't know what my competitors know, but if they don't know the algorithms we're using, we're not going to make it easy to find out. If they do know, we're not going to make it easy to verify what they do know. (But if they know that we don't know what they do know... yeah, you know the drill. :-) The other bit is that it can expose some glaring hardware kludges and actual design and implementation errors which can be embarrassing. To an engineer, this is just routine stuff. To a suit, this seems like a death knell. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 0:28:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6678C37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from milla.ask33.net (milla.ask33.net [217.197.166.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AF443F93 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@milla.ask33.net) Received: by milla.ask33.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6DBAE3ABB3B; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:28:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:28:40 +0100 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Julian Elischer Cc: Wesley Peters , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. Message-ID: <20030212082840.GE10767@garage.freebsd.pl> References: <200302111532.28994.wes@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zaRBsRFn0XYhEU69" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key-URL: http://garage.freebsd.pl/jules.asc X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --zaRBsRFn0XYhEU69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 04:43:46PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: +> > Did we somehow break acct(2), or is that somehow inadequate to the tas= k? It=20 +> > should be ideal for what Julian's customer wants, I would think. See = also=20 +> > acct(5), sa(8) and accton(8). +>=20 +> Acct doesn't give the arguments of the commands +>=20 +> rexec (as pointed out earlier in this thread) does exactly what I want. [...] For logging only, I recommend light-wegiht rexec - lrexec. It can be found at: http://garage.freebsd.pl/lrexec.tbz (actual CVS snapshot) http://garage.freebsd.pl/lrexec.README or at: http://cerber.sourceforge.net/projects/cerber to. And it's better documented atm. --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek UNIX Systems Administrator http://garage.freebsd.pl Am I Evil? Yes, I Am. --zaRBsRFn0XYhEU69 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBPkoFuD/PhmMH/Mf1AQFhPAP/fKP0MfIGFlQjjFKLKTmL7TaIzg+SBBH1 nZvGpEUZE7Zq6hjvYDwOAKq9vW+6Vf3w08obZj+znDj9BTzKDgNNQAasZuOLQ/qy b6hWVel20BXSUPQHXZFoBkIScLFwXgX2d+BYrc9HPgwaYKL3K2ypSEoDFHzUmWUB 2HDBD4wY/I4= =0OaP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zaRBsRFn0XYhEU69-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 1:20:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8C237B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1384643F75 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:20:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmkml@wanadoo.fr) Received: from mel-rta6.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.26) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E0C337001DA663E; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:20:38 +0100 Received: from wanadoo.fr (217.128.40.14) by mel-rta6.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E26CE2100F8EA90; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:20:38 +0100 Message-ID: <3E4A1280.6BD70D80@wanadoo.fr> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:23:12 +0100 From: rmkml X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.21-pre2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Jeremy Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need help References: <3E47213D.2060501@ciam.ru> <000c01c2d112$8c469e50$0a2da8c0@sem> <3E49220A.B3B7E5AB@wanadoo.fr> <20030211185826.GA52986@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry, I posted an error on my program. Regard. Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:17:15PM +0100, rmkml wrote: > >Im a process pb on freebsd47R, > ... > >gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) > >gettimeofday(0x28126dec,0x0) = 0 (0x0) > >accept(0x6,0xbfadcfa4,0xbfadcfa0) ERR#35 'Resource temporarily > >unavailable' > ... > >Could you help me ? > > You need to provide more background. What is the process supposed to > be doing? What is the problem you are seeing? ERR#35 just means that > there is no outstanding TCP connect request. I suspect there is a bug > in your process but without knowing what it is supposed to do or what > the code looks like, it's impossible to say more. > > If you this this is a bug in FreeBSD, please explain what it is doing > wrong and post a short test case that shows the bug. > > Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 2:21: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7C837B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A251743F75 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:21:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id B1BB3536E; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:21:03 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Peter Wemm Cc: Nicolas Souchu , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dynamic hints From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:21:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030212013104.86B6F2A8C2@canning.wemm.org> (Peter Wemm's message of "Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:31:04 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <20030212013104.86B6F2A8C2@canning.wemm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Wemm writes: > Yes, sort-of. kenv(8) can change the strings. But I suspect it is too > late for something like isa since I think it would have done a pass at boot > to create the attachment nodes. But as configuration knobs for drivers > that want to examine a string directly via getenv() etc, those would not be > too late. It wouldn't be too late for loadable modules... DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 3:10:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4900337B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FC443FBD for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:10:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0043.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.43] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18iumb-0004en-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:10:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4A2B21.809681CE@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:08:17 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Peter Wemm , Nicolas Souchu , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dynamic hints References: <20030212013104.86B6F2A8C2@canning.wemm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a40ba82b930ff23d095db82ae28cbcf225387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Peter Wemm writes: > > Yes, sort-of. kenv(8) can change the strings. But I suspect it is too > > late for something like isa since I think it would have done a pass at boot > > to create the attachment nodes. But as configuration knobs for drivers > > that want to examine a string directly via getenv() etc, those would not be > > too late. > > It wouldn't be too late for loadable modules... Don't most ISA probes have to happen a "the wrong time" because their resources are unrelocatable? That would argue against post-boot-time hints... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 3:16:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393A137B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from straylight.ringlet.net (office.sbnd.net [217.75.140.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 912A943F93 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:16:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roam@ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 781 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Feb 2003 11:14:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:14:55 +0200 From: Peter Pentchev To: Terry Lambert Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Peter Wemm , Nicolas Souchu , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dynamic hints Message-ID: <20030212111455.GA376@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Peter Wemm , Nicolas Souchu , hackers@freebsd.org References: <20030212013104.86B6F2A8C2@canning.wemm.org> <3E4A2B21.809681CE@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E4A2B21.809681CE@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:08:17AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Peter Wemm writes: > > > Yes, sort-of. kenv(8) can change the strings. But I suspect it is t= oo > > > late for something like isa since I think it would have done a pass a= t boot > > > to create the attachment nodes. But as configuration knobs for drive= rs > > > that want to examine a string directly via getenv() etc, those would = not be > > > too late. > >=20 > > It wouldn't be too late for loadable modules... >=20 > Don't most ISA probes have to happen a "the wrong time" because > their resources are unrelocatable? That would argue against > post-boot-time hints... So modules that do ISA probes will not use or honor post-boot-time hints. This does not mean that no other module will ever benefit from passing any kind of parameters at load time; it is true that this feature may be abused, but it may actually be *used*, too, and there are people who would definitely find it useful for passing some parameters to some modules. G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 What would this sentence be like if it weren't self-referential? --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+Siyv7Ri2jRYZRVMRAh74AJ48Iij4JhKslJCXhJAVwv//BQ98sgCgwUf6 HdXWox4JWCWiynhgMHgzk3s= =8YGo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 3:33: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE5537B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880DF43F3F for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:33:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0043.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.43] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18iv8F-0006NK-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:32:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4A3051.52402DFC@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:30:25 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Pentchev Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Peter Wemm , Nicolas Souchu , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dynamic hints References: <20030212013104.86B6F2A8C2@canning.wemm.org> <3E4A2B21.809681CE@mindspring.com> <20030212111455.GA376@straylight.oblivion.bg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a477562afbd8c266d6c3b2a0380d07a40293caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:08:17AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Peter Wemm writes: > > > > Yes, sort-of. kenv(8) can change the strings. But I suspect it is too > > > > late for something like isa since I think it would have done a pass at boot > > > > to create the attachment nodes. But as configuration knobs for drivers > > > > that want to examine a string directly via getenv() etc, those would not be > > > > too late. > > > > > > It wouldn't be too late for loadable modules... > > > > Don't most ISA probes have to happen a "the wrong time" because > > their resources are unrelocatable? That would argue against > > post-boot-time hints... > > So modules that do ISA probes will not use or honor post-boot-time > hints. This does not mean that no other module will ever benefit from > passing any kind of parameters at load time; it is true that this > feature may be abused, but it may actually be *used*, too, and there are > people who would definitely find it useful for passing some parameters > to some modules. I agree in principle, but read what Peter Wemm wrote: this is about an ISA device. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 3:46:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E56F37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from straylight.ringlet.net (office.sbnd.net [217.75.140.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DB2443FAF for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:46:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roam@ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 964 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Feb 2003 11:45:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:45:35 +0200 From: Peter Pentchev To: Terry Lambert Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Peter Wemm , Nicolas Souchu , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dynamic hints Message-ID: <20030212114535.GB376@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Peter Wemm , Nicolas Souchu , hackers@freebsd.org References: <20030212013104.86B6F2A8C2@canning.wemm.org> <3E4A2B21.809681CE@mindspring.com> <20030212111455.GA376@straylight.oblivion.bg> <3E4A3051.52402DFC@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aM3YZ0Iwxop3KEKx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E4A3051.52402DFC@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --aM3YZ0Iwxop3KEKx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:30:25AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Peter Pentchev wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:08:17AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > Peter Wemm writes: > > > > > Yes, sort-of. kenv(8) can change the strings. But I suspect it = is too > > > > > late for something like isa since I think it would have done a pa= ss at boot > > > > > to create the attachment nodes. But as configuration knobs for d= rivers > > > > > that want to examine a string directly via getenv() etc, those wo= uld not be > > > > > too late. > > > > > > > > It wouldn't be too late for loadable modules... > > > > > > Don't most ISA probes have to happen a "the wrong time" because > > > their resources are unrelocatable? That would argue against > > > post-boot-time hints... > >=20 > > So modules that do ISA probes will not use or honor post-boot-time > > hints. This does not mean that no other module will ever benefit from > > passing any kind of parameters at load time; it is true that this > > feature may be abused, but it may actually be *used*, too, and there are > > people who would definitely find it useful for passing some parameters > > to some modules. >=20 > I agree in principle, but read what Peter Wemm wrote: this is about > an ISA device. Yes, that's true; however, I think that Nicholas Souchu did not really mean ISA in the message that started the thread. Still, yes, for ISA you are absolutely correct. 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Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 11:31:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B191637B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout2.freenet.de (mout2.freenet.de [194.97.50.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C21A43F85 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ino-qc@spotteswoode.de.eu.org) Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with asmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18j2bh-0007zt-00 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:31:45 +0100 Received: from pd950162f.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.80.22.47] helo=spotteswoode.dnsalias.org) by mx5.freenet.de with asmtp (ID inode@freenet.de) (Exim 4.12 #2) id 18j2bh-0007hJ-00 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:31:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 1086 invoked by uid 0); 12 Feb 2003 19:31:39 -0000 Date: 12 Feb 2003 20:31:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: "clemens fischer" To: "Bogdan TARU" Cc: "Tim Kientzle" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettings snapshots of load spikes References: <20030210194805.A47097-100000@fw.office.icom> In-Reply-To: <20030210194805.A47097-100000@fw.office.icom> (Bogdan TARU's message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:50:39 +0100 (CET)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i386-unknown-freebsd4.6.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bogdan TARU : >> > I am having a real weird problem with a newly installed Dell PowerEdge >> > 2650 which acts as a web (Apache) and mail server(Procmail). The load just >> > 'spikes' sometimes (to 40.00 or so), but immediately starts to go down. >> Also, look in your apache and mail server log files >> to see if you're getting a burst of some sort of >> errors around that time. > I have, and found nothing there at all (looked into the system logs as > well, same outcome). i have seen email installations where a combination of scripts and procmail produce a bunch of procmails chewing on their respective emails. also, procmail can't be called a "server", if you're talking about the mail-filter. if the system spikes (you might notice by the disk(s) giving sounds if near enough), just do "ps waux |less". what is your SMTP server? do you run webmailers, or formmail(?) ? clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 12:23:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8B237B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.qc.uunet.ca (mail2.qc.uunet.ca [198.168.54.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2907B43FAF for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:23:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anarcat@espresso-com.com) Received: from xtanbul.studio.espresso-com.com ([216.94.147.57]) by mail2.qc.uunet.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12735 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:23:34 -0500 Received: from anarcat by xtanbul.studio.espresso-com.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18j3Pk-00012D-00 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:23:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:23:28 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: what userland files are necessary for an installworld? Message-ID: <20030212202327.GH522@xtanbul> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Basically, I suspect I have some dead pre-5.x libs rotting in my tree. I would like to cleanup /usr/lib and /usr/bin to get rid of old binaries. Is the /usr/obj directory self-contained? Does it need a lot of stuff outside of it? I know base bootstrap tools are builded in /usr/obj, but what is needed in order to be able to call them? I'm having a lot of weird problems here I suspect are due to stray files (see below for references). If I could, I'd just bust /usr/lib and /usr/bin and (why not!) /bin and /sbin.. What's the limit? How much damage can you inflict to the distro and still be able to recover with a installworld? Thanks, A. These are the 2 mails I sent to -ports@ and -current@ Subject: weird warning when registering potrs Message-ID: <20030205023724.GA43936@lenny.anarcat.ath.cx Subject: xmms looping forever Message-ID: <20030206151912.GA809@lenny.anarcat.ath.cx> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 15:53: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3CF37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321E843FA3 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:53:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1CNqw3Y093114; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:53:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:52:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20030212.165246.91757718.imp@bsdimp.com> To: roam@ringlet.net Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dynamic hints From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20030212114535.GB376@straylight.oblivion.bg> References: <20030212111455.GA376@straylight.oblivion.bg> <3E4A3051.52402DFC@mindspring.com> <20030212114535.GB376@straylight.oblivion.bg> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG While it is true that the isahints driver now only parses things once, there's nothing preventing someone from allowing it to parse them multiple times. However, doing so is kind of a hard problem to get right in the edge cases. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 15:59:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CD337B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from totem.fix.no (totem.fix.no [80.91.32.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BFC43FB1 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:59:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anders@totem.fix.no) Received: by totem.fix.no (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 63DBE2025D; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:00:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:00:19 +0100 From: Anders Nordby To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: Stefanos Kiakas , kingsled@enc.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, owensc@enc.edu Subject: Re: Jail Replication Message-ID: <20030213000019.GA85421@totem.fix.no> Mail-Followup-To: Anders Nordby , The Hermit Hacker , Stefanos Kiakas , kingsled@enc.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, owensc@enc.edu References: <200302112157.QAA96074@corp.e-scape.net> <20030211213640.X548@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030211213640.X548@localhost> X-PGP-Key: http://anders.fix.no/pgp/ X-PGP-Key-FingerPrint: 1E0F C53C D8DF 6A8F EAAD 19C5 D12A BC9F 0083 5956 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:38:19PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: >> The easiest way is to set the jail up as a file using vnconfig. > there are various software packages that will not work in a vnconfig > environment ... I tried using it, and one of the issues I hit was a > distinct lack of inodes until you got into some relatively large vnodes > ... postfix was one piece of software that I just couldn't get to work in > a vnode, as it always told me the message was too large, yet I had >30Meg > of free space ... Like I told you some time ago, you can set message_size_limit to 0 to work around this. It may not be something you want to stay that way, but at least it works. Cheers, -- Anders. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 16:50:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F37137B401; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D446B43F75; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:50:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE24F8A3CD6; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:50:39 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:50:39 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Anders Nordby Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Jail Replication In-Reply-To: <20030213000019.GA85421@totem.fix.no> Message-ID: <20030212204924.Y80846@hub.org> References: <200302112157.QAA96074@corp.e-scape.net> <20030211213640.X548@localhost> <20030213000019.GA85421@totem.fix.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Anders Nordby wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:38:19PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > >> The easiest way is to set the jail up as a file using vnconfig. > > there are various software packages that will not work in a vnconfig > > environment ... I tried using it, and one of the issues I hit was a > > distinct lack of inodes until you got into some relatively large vnodes > > ... postfix was one piece of software that I just couldn't get to work in > > a vnode, as it always told me the message was too large, yet I had >30Meg > > of free space ... > > Like I told you some time ago, you can set message_size_limit to 0 to > work around this. It may not be something you want to stay that way, but > at least it works. Actually, if I recall correctly, the issue was one of a lack of inodes, which setting message_size_limit to 0 doesn't help ... I even played with increasing the # of inodes, and the lose of space that resulted, I didn't find, warranted using it ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 16:59:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9BE37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from 3-157.ctame701-1.telepar.net.br (3-157.ctame701-1.telepar.net.br [200.193.161.157]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7AA43F3F for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:59:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from riel@imladris.surriel.com) Received: from localhost ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:55759 "EHLO localhost") by imladris.surriel.com with ESMTP id ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:59:09 -0200 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:59:08 -0200 (BRST) From: Rik van Riel To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: phk@phk.freebsd.dk, "" Subject: Re: The Trolls identity (was: Re: matthew dillon) In-Reply-To: <20030209181722.GA19704@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Message-ID: References: <20030209181722.GA19704@papagena.rockefeller.edu> X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > (I assume I'm replying to the "real" PHK here) > phk@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: > > We know that the lamer behind the Troll is "Bill Huey" aka "billh". > > Is there any evidence for it? If so, you should share it and if not, > you shouldn't make such accusations. > This may be true, but this troll doesn't fit the pattern with billh. Agreed. While billh seems to enjoy the show when a creative troll shows up, flooding is definately not his style. Besides, he's busy with a cool new project... Rik -- Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH". http://www.surriel.com/ http://guru.conectiva.com/ Current spamtrap: october@surriel.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 17: 2:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F290D37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D24243F85 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:02:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krfogleman@comcast.net) Received: from comcast.net (pcp866891pcs.siestk01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.217.71]) by mtaout07.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.09 (built Jan 7 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HA8008222UL3U@mtaout07.icomcast.net> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:01:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:02:55 -0500 From: Kevin Fogleman Subject: Monitoring changes in extended attributes? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-id: <3E4AEEBF.8020308@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there an existing way to monitor the entire filesystem for changes to any file, particularly changes in extended attributes? I'm looking to write a program that builds an index of all user-accessable extended attributes for every file in the filesystem and then updates that index in real time according to modifications to existing files' attributes, creation of new files and deletion of files. I've read over the documentation for kqueue, but some things were left unclear. For example, it appears that kqueue needs a file descriptor for each file that one would want to monitor, making any large-scale file monitoring impractical. Is there any other way in FreeBSD to be notified of file modifications in a way that would allow one to monitor the whole file system or large portions of it? Also, I'm not very knowledgable about file system conventions, so I'm wondering how one would detect the creation of new files? I don't really need to know whether a particular attribute changed, but rather just whether any of them changed. BTW, I have posted this question earlier to freebsd-questions, but nobody answered and, judging by the content of the other questions on that list, I thought that my question would be more appropriate here. --Kevin Fogleman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 18: 1:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B2237B414 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E7643F85 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:01:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a152.otenet.gr [212.205.215.152]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1D2104A026872; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 04:01:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h1D21010002612; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 04:01:00 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h1D1xu9D002566; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:59:56 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:59:56 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: The Anarcat Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: what userland files are necessary for an installworld? Message-ID: <20030213015956.GD2066@gothmog.gr> References: <20030212202327.GH522@xtanbul> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030212202327.GH522@xtanbul> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2003-02-12 15:23, The Anarcat wrote: > Basically, I suspect I have some dead pre-5.x libs rotting in my > tree. I would like to cleanup /usr/lib and /usr/bin to get rid of > old binaries. Is the /usr/obj directory self-contained? Does it need > a lot of stuff outside of it? You can make sure that your /usr/lib directory is clean, by running the following pre-installworld: # cd /usr # mv lib lib.old # ldconfig -elf /usr/lib.old # mkdir lib Then installworld as usual, and if nothing breaks you can delete /usr/lib.old later. -- The /usr/bin problem is a bit more tricky, since you'll have to check for old files and make sure they can safely go away. A couple of days ago, I used the following at home: $ uname -v FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #13: Tue Feb 11 04:45:48 EET 2003 [...] $ /bin/ls -l /usr/bin/* | awk '{printf "%3s %2s\n",$6,$7}' | sort | uniq -c 399 Feb 11 $ If the small script above prints more than one date, then the files of the older date are probably stale, i.e. if the output is: $ /bin/ls -l /usr/bin/* | awk '{printf "%3s %2s\n",$6,$7}' | sort | uniq -c 399 Feb 11 7 Oct 9 You can check which files are the old ones: $ ls -l /usr/bin | grep 'Oct 9' -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel - 100229 Oct 9 15:45 a2p -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel - 36353 Oct 9 15:45 c2ph -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel - 64624 Oct 9 15:46 chflags -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel - 24804 Oct 9 15:46 gprof4 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel - 100 Oct 9 15:45 joy -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel - 4528 Oct 9 15:46 key -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel - 8636 Oct 9 15:46 kzip In this case, the old files are stale Perl programs from my 4.X -> 5.X upgrade, after I completely and utterly hosed my -current installation at home :-) They were removed shortly after my Feb 11 installworld. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 19:44:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2635137B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E8743FAF for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:44:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0418.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.163] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18jAIQ-0003NC-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:44:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4B1445.32F6BD5@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:43:01 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Fogleman Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Monitoring changes in extended attributes? References: <3E4AEEBF.8020308@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4dfa0e541153ecfc1ae68aacf316c0886a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kevin Fogleman wrote: > Is there an existing way to monitor the entire filesystem for changes to > any file, particularly changes in extended attributes? On that note, I'm looking for an extended attribute I can set which will prevent monitoring for changes on a particular file... 8-) 8-). The answer is "no, but you could add one using kevent; send patches". -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 20:25:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F27737B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from aeimail.aei.ca (aeimail.aei.ca [206.123.6.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C7C43FD7 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:25:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anarcat@anarcat.ath.cx) Received: from shall.anarcat.ath.cx (df6pbo2pspo6jdu0@dsl-135-123.aei.ca [66.36.135.123]) by aeimail.aei.ca (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id h1D4PHP03442; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D3A4CE4; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:25:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:25:11 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: John De Boskey , Giorgos Keramidas Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: what userland files are necessary for an installworld? Message-ID: <20030213042510.GA98190@shall.anarcat.ath.cx> References: <20030212202327.GH522@xtanbul> <20030213015956.GD2066@gothmog.gr> <20030212202327.GH522@xtanbul> <20030213012627.GA1050@BSDWins.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030213015956.GD2066@gothmog.gr> <20030213012627.GA1050@BSDWins.Com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thanks a lot, John and Giorgos for those answers, I didn't expect so precise instructions. :) For the "inflicting damage" part, I was able to crash my system twice using acpiconf -s n, and completely trashed /var and probably some stuff in /usr/lib, unintentionnally, of course, so that kinda forces my hand here. :) Your good counsel shall be of much use! I will put 5.0-release world to the test of rm'ing most of /usr/ stuff. I can always use the CD, in case of complete catastrophe. :) I'll post back results of all this once it's over, along with panic data (no crashdump, yet) from the acpiconf crashes. Thanks again, A. --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+Sx4kttcWHAnWiGcRAoYfAJ95efV0fhs/ePqroen03Sd5TAxrbQCfTDuG iD5wBs7j3uOjSJJ9U4IKxRs= =QAYu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 12 21: 2:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF31B37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mad.ieo-research.it (anam.ieo-research.it [193.204.98.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA78D43FB1 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:02:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from orlando.bassotto@ieo-research.it) Received: (qmail 79258 invoked by uid 666); 13 Feb 2003 05:05:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 06:05:48 +0100 From: Orlando Bassotto To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: [PATCH] creative audigy 2 (emu10k2) support Message-ID: <20030213050548.GA79233@ieo-research.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I'm new here and don't know if this is the right list, I hope it fits! I wrote this patch due to a wrong buy, the patch adds support for Audigy 2 cards and should also for Audigy. Due the fact information about the EMU10K2 is almost none, I looked around to see if someone wrote already support for it, and given the nature of the EMU10K2 to be very similar to it's old brother, it should have been done with a dozen of lines. I found the code in the ALSA project EMU10K1 driver; well, I don't know what most of the initialization code does but I couldn't find any further information, so take it as is... I tried this patch for a few weeks now, using it intensively for recording and for playback. All analog inputs work, I tried them all, and all outputs (analog) work as well. I changed the patch scheme for Audigy cards (at least here works) hence on EMU10K2, we have a center/lfe working as master left / 2 + master right / 2, and two outputs (rear, front both digital/analog) which are two outputs with the same signal (all these are controlled through the AC97 mixer master volume for the EMU10K2). On EMU10K1 I tried to give the same patch scheme, but as far I can see, 1 output outlet (rear l/r) is not handled by the AC97 mixer, so you can't control the volume of the port. This may be muted, but I found useful to attach the speakers, I can always turn them off.... I provided as well some definitations of what those `???' registers were, and took from ALSA emu10k1.h, the opcode macros for writing microcode (which helped alot on understanding how the toy works), this makes things a bit verbose. I moved off the TOS link detection when Audigy card is found, but I may be doing a wrong thing, change if needed. Also there are a few new variables in struct emu_voice, used for routing to the FX bus, may be useful if someone writes a patch manager; struct sc_info has grown, two new bits describe if audigy card is detected and if it is an audigy2, two new variables, addrmask, because EMU10K2 has a bigger address space range, and nchans, which is the number of channels available, EMU10K1 has 4, K2 has 8, the definition EMU_CHANS is now EMU_MAX_CHANS and it's 8. A new structure, audigy_adcspeed describes the speeds supported by EMU10K2 (different just because it supports 12kHz). The opcode encoding is different from EMU10K1, so functions for handling initialization of the FX processor are splitted. All symbols starting with audigy_ and A_ are code that regards only and uniquely audigy cards. Initialization of the FX processor on Audigy is later done after setting the AUD bit, I still wonder if this is really needed, but at the moment it works, so I won't break it. Hopes this help who, like me, did a wrong buy. :) Ciao! Orlando -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Orlando Bassotto European Institute of Oncology orlando.bassotto@ieo-research.it Dept. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 13 3: 8:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A08F37B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (atlas.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC0643FA3 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:08:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from menelaos.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (menelaos.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.73]) by atlas.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h1DB8NW15294; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:08:23 +0100 Received: (from stolz@localhost) by menelaos.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1DB8T7B087529; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:08:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stolz) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:08:29 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: Martin Blapp Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad crash with if_bge when loaded as module in loader.conf Message-ID: <20030213110829.GA87481@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <20030212182649.B44623@cvs.imp.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030212182649.B44623@cvs.imp.ch> X-PGP-Key: finger vs@foldr.org X-PGP-Id: 0x3FD1B6B5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In local.freebsd-hackers, you wrote: > Even more bad is that there is no escape from serial console, > I can do what I like, call boot(), panic() etc. I get a endless > loop. > This is 4.7 STABLE from today. It panics when I try to ifconfig > the bge0 interface. Wild guess: You have miibus compiled into the kernel and it gets pulled in a second time when kldloading if_bge? -- http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/stolz/ *** PGP *** S/MIME rage against the finite state machine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 13 3:41:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED2437B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056D243F85 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:41:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B3F2F9; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:41:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4E4A12FDD0F; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:41:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:41:55 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Lars Eggert Cc: Wilko Bulte , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: anoncvs.freebsd.org reachability Message-ID: <20030213114155.GC94055@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: Lars Eggert , Wilko Bulte , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3E480335.7010706@isi.edu> <20030210212033.A51675@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3E482A69.4030008@isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E482A69.4030008@isi.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG # larse@ISI.EDU / 2003-02-10 14:40:41 -0800: > In the meantime, is there an easy way to switch over my existing CVS > tree to a mirror? (And is there a mirror?) If you're talking about a working copy, then it's really easy: find $wcdir -type d -name CVS | while read d; do sed -i '' "s/$oldhost/$newhost/" $d/Root done -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 13 3:52:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847A437B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.imp.ch (mail.imp.ch [157.161.1.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486B543FA3 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:52:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mb@imp.ch) Received: from cvs.imp.ch (cvs.imp.ch [157.161.4.9]) by mail.imp.ch (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1DBqVI2074179; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:52:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Martin.Blapp@imp.ch) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:52:31 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Blapp To: Volker Stolz Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad crash with if_bge when loaded as module in loader.conf In-Reply-To: <20030213110829.GA87481@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: <20030213125210.B44623@cvs.imp.ch> References: <20030212182649.B44623@cvs.imp.ch> <20030213110829.GA87481@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > Wild guess: You have miibus compiled into the kernel and it gets > pulled in a second time when kldloading if_bge? Correct ! I'll look if that solves the crash. 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Everything works great except for the NIC. I think the problem is that freebsd does not have any support for this sis card because it is too new. Anyone know what to do ? I have included the description of the NIC from the web site that I bought the laptop, and the chunk of dmesg that has information about the sis card. (sis discription) Communications: Onboard full duplex 10/100 Base-T ethernet, MAC: SiS? 961 built-in 56K / V.90 Conexant PCI software data/fax modem Built-in SIR transceiver module, IrDA 1.3 standard compliant up to 4.0Mbps (chunk of dmesg) ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: at device 2.7 (no driver attached) sis0: port 0xd400-0xd4ff mem 0xcfff9000-0xcfff9fff irq 5 at device 3.0 on pci0 sis0: Ethernet address: 00:50:eb:0e:40:d7 sis0: MII withour any PHY! device_probe_and_attach: sis0 attach returned 6 pci0: at device 5.0 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 7.0 (no driver attached) Thanks, Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 13 10:58:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2773B37B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:58:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (murphys.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 33B2A43F3F for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:58:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trent@limekiln.vcisp.net) Received: (qmail 14672 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2003 18:58:27 -0000 Received: from limekiln.vcisp.net (212.159.16.110) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2003 18:58:27 -0000 Received: by limekiln.vcisp.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 28A125A6; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:58:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:58:32 +0000 From: Trent Nelson To: Julian Elischer Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, des@freebsd.org, rwatson@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some "security" questions. Message-ID: <20030213185832.GA63743@limekiln.vcisp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ Re-sending due to earlier failure. ] On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 06:03:07PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > Our client wants the following 'features' > and we'd LIKE to be able to at least say "yes we can do that", even if > we can also say "but we don't think it's a good idea". > > > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell > that logs commands may do what they want, but personally I > think that if you are going to log things then you really want to > PROPERLY do it, and log the EXEC commands along with the arguments. > (sadmin et al. doesn't give arguments, and neither does ktrace) From a security perspective, this is usually referred to as ``indi- vidual user accountability''; i.e. the ability to hold users compl- etely accountable for any actions performed under their account. The notion of ``auditing'' typically goes hand-in-hand with accoun- tability in this sense. These are recognised terms in security pu- blications such as the Information Technology Security Evaluation Criteria (ITSEC) [1]. I've been involved in generating a security solution that allowed the software engineers in the US to remotely connect to a live, op- erational, safety-related control system in London for the purposes of fault finding and software deployment. Before our Independent Safety and Technical Assessors would even consider looking at such a proposal, we had to provide assurance that every action by any user logged in remotely would always be traceable and could be reviewed for audit purposes. We could only permit remote access to the systems running Tru64 UNIX as it was the only OS that provided a fully-featured auditing sub-system that met ITSEC requirements. Tru64 UNIX will allow you to log just about any interaction with the system you fancy, from device access to system calls to command line interaction. Take a look at Section 10 of Tru64 UNIX Security [2] for more info- rmation. If acountability and auditing was to be done properly, I believe *this* is how it should be done. I've CC'd trustedbsd-audit@trustedbsd.org to this post 'cause I think this would be right up their ally. Regards, Trent. [1] Information Technology Security Evaluation Criteria Version 1.2, 28th June, 1991. (http://www.cesg.gov.uk/assurance/iacs/itsec/documents/formal-docs/media/Itsec.pdf) [2] Tru64 UNIX -- Security Version AA-RH95D-TE, June 2001. (http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/V51A_PDF/ARH95DTE.PDF) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 13 12: 7:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4A637B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.det2.ameritech.net (mailhost1-sfldmi.sfldmi.ameritech.net [206.141.193.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BA343FA3 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:07:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbailey27@ameritech.net) Received: from ameritech.net ([67.38.15.139]) by mailhost.det2.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20030213200712.XZQG8853.mailhost.det2.ameritech.net@ameritech.net>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:07:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3E4BFAC8.2040502@ameritech.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:06:32 -0500 From: northern snowfall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020518 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@unixbeast.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sis 900 10/100BaseTX References: <20030213181929.GB5244@unixbeast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > >sis0: MII withour any PHY! > the SiS900 driver has been around for a while. According to the code if_sis.c's sis_miibus_readreg (redirected from mii.c:^mii_phy_probe) returns if the phy number is not zero and the SiS900 revision is < revision 635. I'm going to guess that this might be incorrect for your chip. Why? Duno.. You could try removing the "sc->sis_rev < SIS_REV_635" to see if a phy is on a higher level than zero. Another option is to check the PCI values. SiS7016 is similar to the SiS900, but, has no internal PHY. Maybe FreeBSD is incorrectly seeing the chip as a 900 when its a 7016? Sometimes that happens if you have an OEM fscking the PCIDID. Don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 13 12:11:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223D637B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwd2mime2.analog.com (nwd2mime2.analog.com [137.71.25.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C7843FBF for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:11:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from justin.wojdacki@analog.com) Received: from nwd2gtw1 (unverified) by nwd2mime2.analog.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:11:11 -0500 Received: from nwd2mhb2 ([137.71.6.12]) by nwd2gtw1; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from golf.cpgdesign.analog.com ([137.71.139.100]) by nwd2mhb2.analog.com with ESMTP (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.7.1) id PAA17391 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ws4.cpgdesign.analog.com (ws4 [137.71.139.26]) by golf.cpgdesign.analog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13488 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from analog.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ws4.cpgdesign.analog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09271 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:10:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3E4BFBC9.AB4C7E29@analog.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:10:49 -0800 From: Justin Wojdacki Reply-To: justin.wojdacki@analog.com Organization: Analog Devices, Communications Processors Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Filesystem Experimentation Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay, so I've got an odd ball filesystem idea that I'd like to experiment with on FreeBSD. Looking at it, I can probably best implement it as a layer on top of FFS at the start, rather than adding a new filesystem driver. Does anybody have any recommendations on references to look at for implementing this? Something like CFS seems like a good starting point to me, but I'm willing to consider other options (especially ones that don't break NFS). -- ------------------------------------------------- Justin Wojdacki justin.wojdacki@analog.com (408) 350-5032 Communications Processors Group -- Analog Devices To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 13 12:18:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B216837B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.det2.ameritech.net (mailhost1-sfldmi.sfldmi.ameritech.net [206.141.193.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A967343F93 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:18:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbailey27@ameritech.net) Received: from ameritech.net ([67.38.15.139]) by mailhost.det2.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20030213201853.YFTH8853.mailhost.det2.ameritech.net@ameritech.net>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:18:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3E4BFD86.1030500@ameritech.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:18:14 -0500 From: northern snowfall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020518 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: justin.wojdacki@analog.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Filesystem Experimentation Question References: <3E4BFBC9.AB4C7E29@analog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > >Looking at it, I can probably best implement it as a layer on top of >FFS at the start, rather than adding a new filesystem driver. > NetBSD has overlay filesystems for stackable FS layers. I'm not sure about FreeBSD, but, its a starting point. Don > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 13 23:19:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FC637B401; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1417B43FBF; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:19:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1192) id DDE4CAE272; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:19:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:19:22 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: jlemon@freebsd.org Subject: kevent kernel expert. Message-ID: <20030214071922.GA93252@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have come across several (major imo) problems with the kevent(2) and need to have contact with someone that understands the implementation, specifically how kqueues are attached to filedesc structures. This has to deal with security as well as SMP lock down issues. Please respond privately. thank you, -- -Alfred Perlstein [alfred@freebsd.org] 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 14 0:34: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A300F37B401 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2ECD43FB1 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223552F9; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:34:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 037B92FDBE5; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:34:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:34:00 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: mdoc(7) question Message-ID: <20030214083400.GA81356@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , freebsd-hackers References: <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030210222412.GA33990@gothmog.gr> <20030210173051.GF393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030210181744.GN5356@dan.emsphone.com> <20030211102801.GI393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <3E49785F.A30FE623@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E49785F.A30FE623@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG # tlambert2@mindspring.com / 2003-02-11 14:25:35 -0800: > Roman Neuhauser wrote: > > Thanks guys. Is there a clean way to make sure that the description > > will always begin on the line below the tag line? IOW, with > > .Bl -tag, if the actual tag width is less than that of -width's > > argument, these two items will fold, and description will begin on > > the tag line. That's not what I want. > > Man pages kind of need to look like all other man pages. So > while it's possible to do what you want, with enough effort, it > is likely not a good idea for you to do it. point taken. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 14 3:28:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC80037B409 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from its-mu-hestia.its.rmit.edu.au (its-mu-hestia.its.rmit.edu.au [131.170.1.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E4C43FAF for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:28:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Neeraj.Arora@ems.rmit.edu.au) Received: from ems.rmit.edu.au (ems.rmit.edu.au [131.170.10.112]) by its-mu-hestia.its.rmit.edu.au (8.10.1/8.10.1/ANTI-SPAM/ANTI-RELAY/HESTIA) with ESMTP id h1EBSnl00714 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:28:49 +1100 (EST) Received: from INET1-MTA by ems.rmit.edu.au with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:28:50 +1100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.3 Beta Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:28:44 +1100 From: "Neeraj Arora" To: Subject: subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 14 8:15:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE5737B401 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D610943F75 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:15:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([81.103.196.4]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030214161522.GLPP3191.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:15:22 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20030214155843.03e92e80@popserver.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@popserver.sfu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:15:16 +0000 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Colin Percival Subject: Re: libobjc wierdness Cc: Chad David In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20021217071753.02d1c4f8@popserver.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Back in December, I was trying to work out why libobjc always compiled differently. Now that I've worked it out, I thought I'd report back (mostly for the archives). It turns out that the variability is caused by gcc's mechanism for creating a unique name; when a file doesn't contain any programmer defined global names, gcc generates one from the file name and some extra stuff. In gcc 2.95.4, this extra stuff is based on the time and pid; in later versions, it is based on the inode's device, number, and file modification time; and Nathan Sidwell has a patch which simply uses the full path of the file. Applying his patch (with some minor changes to make it fit 2.95.4), I've now got libobjc consistently building to the same file (apart from the easily handled library index). Colin Percival To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 2:50: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428A837B401; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.imp.ch (mail.imp.ch [157.161.1.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2992E43F75; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mb@imp.ch) Received: from cvs.imp.ch (cvs.imp.ch [157.161.4.9]) by mail.imp.ch (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1FAo0I2092440; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:50:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Martin.Blapp@imp.ch) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:50:00 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Blapp To: current@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: ACPI: working ACPI vs broken ACPI Message-ID: <20030215113219.J57358@cvs.imp.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I see these differences here in acpidump: Working board: PM2_GPE0_BLK=0xe428-0xe42f Broken board: PM2_GPE0_BLK=0x428-0x42f PM2_GPE1_BLK=0x528-0x52f, GPE1_BASE=32 And the broken board shows errors like this: The errors like: Feb 13 17:41:05 ibm-01 kernel: ACPI-0625: *** Info: GPE Block0 defined as GPE0 to GPE31 Feb 13 17:41:05 ibm-01 kernel: ACPI-0625: *** Info: GPE Block1 defined as GPE32 to GPE63 ACPI-1287: *** Error: Method execution failed, AE_AML_BUFFER_LIMIT ACPI-1287: *** Error: Method execution failed, AE_AML_BUFFER_LIMIT ACPI-1287: *** Error: Method execution failed, AE_AML_BUFFER_LIMIT ACPI-1287: *** Error: Method execution failed, AE_AML_BUFFER_LIMIT Wild guess: Seem to result from this. If I'm looking at NetBSD's http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/acpi/acpi_ec.c they have a lot done since they took acpi from us. I'm sure it works for netbsd. Is anybody working on this ? Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 4: 0:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3674037B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 04:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.hispeed.ch (isp247n.hispeed.ch [62.2.95.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3FA43FCB for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 04:00:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from locus@hispeed.ch) Received: from rock.stable.ch (dclient217-162-34-199.hispeed.ch [217.162.34.199]) by smtp.hispeed.ch (8.12.6/8.12.6/tornado-1.0) with ESMTP id h1FC0ChT014036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:00:13 +0100 Received: from locus by rock.stable.ch with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18k0zH-000Biz-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:00:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:00:07 +0100 From: Thomas Spreng To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: linux binary and pwrite() problem... Message-ID: <20030215120007.GA44691@rock.stable.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have two fbsd systems, both running 4.7 and linux_base-7.1_2. I am trying to run a gameserver linux binary (sof2 v1.02) on one of these machines but it just hangs if i start it. The strange thing is that exactly the same binary works on the other fbsd box with the same linux_base port. The only thing that differs is the build date of the two boxes, which is '4.7-RELEASE-p4 #0: Sun Feb 9 00:34:14 CET 2003' for the one that doesn't work and '4.7-RELEASE-p2 #13: Sat Dec 7 12:58:57 CET 2002' for the working machine. I have traced the processes on both machines with 'ktrace' and everying looks fine until the following strange thing: On the 'not-working' machine: # kdump ...... 94449 sof2ded RET ftruncate 1001/0x3e9 94449 sof2ded CALL lseek 94449 sof2ded RET lseek 1001/0x3e9 94449 sof2ded CALL #208(0xffffffff,0x3e9,0xffffffff) 94449 sof2ded RET #208 0 94449 sof2ded CALL pwrite(0x4,0xbfbfe618,0xbfbfe588,0x8) 94449 sof2ded RET pwrite 0 94449 sof2ded PSIG SIGILL caught handler=0x8126678 mask=0x0 code=0x0 94449 sof2ded PSIG SIGINT SIG_DFL While on the working box i got the following: # kdump ...... 3874 sof2ded RET ftruncate 1001/0x3e9 3874 sof2ded CALL lseek 3874 sof2ded RET lseek 1001/0x3e9 3874 sof2ded CALL #208(0xffffffff,0x3e9,0xffffffff) 3874 sof2ded RET #208 0 3874 sof2ded CALL write(0x2,0xbfbfd75c,0x24) 3874 sof2ded GIO fd 2 wrote 36 bytes "SOF2MP V1.02 linux-i386 Sep 23 2002 I cannot explain why on one box 'pwrite()' is called and on the other one 'write()', is this the first box has a newer build date? Or are there any other components that might have an effect on running linux binaries. Anything else i could do to track down this problem? Cheers, Tom PS: please cc: me for im not subscribed to hackers... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 10:14:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AD337B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F36843FAF for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:14:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h1FIEIog090426; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:14:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:14:18 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Thomas Spreng Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux binary and pwrite() problem... Message-ID: <20030215181418.GK15607@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20030215120007.GA44691@rock.stable.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030215120007.GA44691@rock.stable.ch> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Feb 15), Thomas Spreng said: > Hi, > > I have two fbsd systems, both running 4.7 and linux_base-7.1_2. > I am trying to run a gameserver linux binary (sof2 v1.02) on one > of these machines but it just hangs if i start it. The strange > thing is that exactly the same binary works on the other fbsd box > with the same linux_base port. > The only thing that differs is the build date of the two boxes, > which is '4.7-RELEASE-p4 #0: Sun Feb 9 00:34:14 CET 2003' for the > one that doesn't work and '4.7-RELEASE-p2 #13: Sat Dec 7 12:58:57 > CET 2002' for the working machine. > > I have traced the processes on both machines with 'ktrace' and > everying looks fine until the following strange thing: > > On the 'not-working' machine: > # kdump > ...... > 94449 sof2ded RET ftruncate 1001/0x3e9 > 94449 sof2ded CALL lseek > 94449 sof2ded RET lseek 1001/0x3e9 > 94449 sof2ded CALL #208(0xffffffff,0x3e9,0xffffffff) > 94449 sof2ded RET #208 0 > 94449 sof2ded CALL pwrite(0x4,0xbfbfe618,0xbfbfe588,0x8) > 94449 sof2ded RET pwrite 0 > 94449 sof2ded PSIG SIGILL caught handler=0x8126678 mask=0x0 code=0x0 > 94449 sof2ded PSIG SIGINT SIG_DFL > > While on the working box i got the following: > # kdump > ...... > 3874 sof2ded RET ftruncate 1001/0x3e9 > 3874 sof2ded CALL lseek > 3874 sof2ded RET lseek 1001/0x3e9 > 3874 sof2ded CALL #208(0xffffffff,0x3e9,0xffffffff) > 3874 sof2ded RET #208 0 > 3874 sof2ded CALL write(0x2,0xbfbfd75c,0x24) > 3874 sof2ded GIO fd 2 wrote 36 bytes > "SOF2MP V1.02 linux-i386 Sep 23 2002 > > I cannot explain why on one box 'pwrite()' is called and on the other > one 'write()', is this the first box has a newer build date? Or are > there any other components that might have an effect on running linux > binaries. You need to install the devel/linux_kdump port and run that instead of kdump on Linux traces. Some syscall numbers map to different functions (#208 for example is unused in FreeBSD but is setresuid() in Linux). -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 13:13:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263FD37B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:13:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp0.libero.it (smtp0.libero.it [193.70.192.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C85A43FA3 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:13:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saturnero@gufi.org) Received: from nduja.saturnero.sat (151.38.69.114) by smtp0.libero.it (6.7.015) id 3E44E953003A7E0F; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:13:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (pigra.saturnero.sat [192.168.0.10]) by nduja.saturnero.sat (Postfix) with ESMTP id A266077D47; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:13:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: FreeSBIE-0.9.0 (beta) released From: Dario Freni To: annunci@gufi.org Cc: freesbie@gufi.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-NfxCYdJcXH50AUrZb5tM" Organization: Message-Id: <1045343621.12830.74.camel@pigra> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 15 Feb 2003 22:13:41 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=-NfxCYdJcXH50AUrZb5tM Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fire up your download managers guys, I'm proud to announce that freesbie 0.9.0 livecd is out and ready for download at=20 http://www.freesbie.org/?section=3DISO-en This brand new ISO has a beta support for the new init engine of 5.x FreeBSD branch, and many improvements in floppy backup and restore, hard disk autodetection. As this is a beta test, and we need more auditing and test and patches and many other things ;), if you encounter problems please contact us and tell us the description of your problem, with you dmesg and as much debug information as you can. We really need your help. Thanks for attention :) Bye, Dario --=20 Dario Freni (saturnero@gufi.org) - SaturNero on IRCNet, Azzurra Gruppo Utenti FreeBSD Italia (http://www.gufi.org) GPG Public key at http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc --=-NfxCYdJcXH50AUrZb5tM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Questa parte del messaggio `e firmata -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+Tq2EZ1XqWj1OqUERAsdBAJ9sK61MK91AMzi8FFEjHwgKhTIA4wCeLsBi q0JmmMjGW4I19LST4dMUmPU= =fTbF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-NfxCYdJcXH50AUrZb5tM-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 14: 5: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A8F37B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-52.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141C843F3F for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:04:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1E5679DA; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1AC7B108A; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:04:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:04:58 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Dario Freni Cc: annunci@gufi.org, freesbie@gufi.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeSBIE-0.9.0 (beta) released Message-ID: <20030215220457.GF20462@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <1045343621.12830.74.camel@pigra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Zs/RYxT/hKAHzkfQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1045343621.12830.74.camel@pigra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Zs/RYxT/hKAHzkfQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 10:13:41PM +0100, Dario Freni wrote: > Fire up your download managers guys, I'm proud to announce that freesbie > 0.9.0 livecd is out and ready for download at=20 It might generate more enthusiasm for testing if you could briefly mention what FreeSBIE does. Kris --Zs/RYxT/hKAHzkfQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+TrmJWry0BWjoQKURArWqAKDYZ/2EQTJSKQ3KCxi0SqJHi2sW1QCgmsEs o9Mk+O0RaRhPY4Yp3+UlcfI= =a/P4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Zs/RYxT/hKAHzkfQ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 14:19:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7E937B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:19:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp0.libero.it (smtp0.libero.it [193.70.192.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1423D43FAF for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:19:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saturnero@gufi.org) Received: from nduja.saturnero.sat (151.38.69.114) by smtp0.libero.it (6.7.015) id 3E44E953003AB292 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:19:42 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (pigra.saturnero.sat [192.168.0.10]) by nduja.saturnero.sat (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A71377D47 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:19:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: FreeSBIE-0.9.0 (beta) released From: Dario Freni To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20030215220457.GF20462@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <1045343621.12830.74.camel@pigra> <20030215220457.GF20462@rot13.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ZQVzYXD3eSdbuFXNPvpG" Organization: Message-Id: <1045347579.12830.83.camel@pigra> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 15 Feb 2003 23:19:39 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=-ZQVzYXD3eSdbuFXNPvpG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Il Sat, 2003-02-15 alle 23:04, Kris Kennaway ha scritto: > It might generate more enthusiasm for testing if you could briefly > mention what FreeSBIE does. You're right :) Sorry for that. =46rom www.freesbie.org site: -------8<-------- What is FreeSBIE? Simply: a live system on CD, or an operating system that is able to load directly from a bootable CD, without any installation process, without any hard disk. It's based on the FreeBSD operating system. FreeSBIE project goals are mainly two: - To develop a suite of programs to be used to create your own CD, with all the personalizations you like - To make various ISO images available, maybe each one with its different goals and possible uses. -------8<-------- If you would try the toolkit scripts I suggest you to download them from cvs. More instruction on the site. Cheers, Dario --=20 Dario Freni (saturnero@gufi.org) - SaturNero on IRCNet, Azzurra Gruppo Utenti FreeBSD Italia (http://www.gufi.org) GPG Public key at http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc --=-ZQVzYXD3eSdbuFXNPvpG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Questa parte del messaggio `e firmata -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+Trz6Z1XqWj1OqUERArR5AJ4oEeazL3n9jxQZXOTmon23lYKU9wCfYqZK vGYH4e2YG9yciPYV7+7OCos= =HgE7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ZQVzYXD3eSdbuFXNPvpG-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 14:44:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904DF37B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0023243F75 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:44:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chromexa@ovis.net) Received: from ovis.net (s31.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.97]) by ns1.ovis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0B13B1C; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:44:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E4EC2C3.30907701@ovis.net> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:44:19 +0000 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway , "'hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FreeSBIE-0.9.0 (beta) released References: <1045343621.12830.74.camel@pigra> <20030215220457.GF20462@rot13.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 10:13:41PM +0100, Dario Freni wrote: > > Fire up your download managers guys, I'm proud to announce that freesbie > > 0.9.0 livecd is out and ready for download at > > It might generate more enthusiasm for testing if you could briefly > mention what FreeSBIE does. > > Kris > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature I agree, please, please, please, if something is available for testing, or if there is some interesting link or something it really helps if it is described and if one knows what one is getting into when one goes and does something. Have Fun, Sends Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 14:56:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F5F37B401; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.arcor-ip.de (mail1.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B7F43FBD; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:56:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Friedemann.Becker@student.uni-tuebingen.de) Received: from chasey (212.144.228.141) by mail1.arcor-ip.de (5.5.034) id 3E1E8763002491FD; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:56:55 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:02:17 +0100 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Westeurop=E4ische_Normalzeit?=) From: Friedemann Becker To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Subject: where's my pr gone? Message-ID: X-X-Sender: zxmxy33@mailserv02.uni-tuebingen.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG what's up with kern/47512: bash in gdb triggers kernel panic it appears empty to me by the way: anyone able to reproduce? quick test, anyone with current, just try gdb bash, do an 'ls', and tell me about the consequences.... Friedemann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 15: 0:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4014B37B401; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.arcor-ip.de (mail1.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A3243FB1; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:00:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Friedemann.Becker@student.uni-tuebingen.de) Received: from chasey (212.144.228.141) by mail1.arcor-ip.de (5.5.034) id 3E1E876300249226; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:00:10 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:05:32 +0100 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Westeurop=E4ische_Normalzeit?=) From: Friedemann Becker To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: where's my pr gone? - supplemental In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-X-Sender: zxmxy33@mailserv02.uni-tuebingen.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/47512 this happens only with the above link, i.e. from the pr summary. searching for the bugid 47512 works (=> not empty).... someone want to look at this? On Sun, 16 Feb 2003, Friedemann Becker wrote: > what's up with > kern/47512: bash in gdb triggers kernel panic > > it appears empty to me > > by the way: anyone able to reproduce? > quick test, anyone with current, just try gdb bash, do an 'ls', and tell > me about the consequences.... > > Friedemann > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 18:19: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1415537B401; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out0.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out0.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C12443FA3; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:19:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from silby@silby.com) Received: from [10.1.1.6] (d99.as29.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net [169.207.73.99]) by out0.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55198464E; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:18:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:27:45 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Silbersack To: Martin Blapp Cc: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI: working ACPI vs broken ACPI In-Reply-To: <20030215113219.J57358@cvs.imp.ch> Message-ID: <20030215202651.D36608@patrocles.silby.com> References: <20030215113219.J57358@cvs.imp.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Martin Blapp wrote: > Feb 13 17:41:05 ibm-01 kernel: ACPI-0625: *** Info: GPE Block0 defined as GPE0 > to GPE31 > Feb 13 17:41:05 ibm-01 kernel: ACPI-0625: *** Info: GPE Block1 defined as GPE32 > to GPE63 I see similar errors on my Presario 2100US... > Wild guess: Seem to result from this. If I'm looking at NetBSD's > http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/acpi/acpi_ec.c they > have a lot done since they took acpi from us. I'm sure it works > for netbsd. > > Is anybody working on this ? > > Martin I've been trying to load that URL since yesterday, but it's not working from here. Can you elaborate on what it does? Mike "Silby" Silbersack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 18:40: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8673F37B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B7D43F3F for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:39:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([81.103.196.4]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030216023956.NTVY22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk> for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:39:56 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20030216020837.01ddc3b8@popserver.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@popserver.sfu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:39:55 +0000 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Colin Percival Subject: Binary security updates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On december 25th, I released a "first draft" of a binary security update tool aimed at allowing people to track the security branches without keeping a source tree or recompiling; the response was generally positive, but as I pointed out in my announcement, there were several problems which needed to be fixed. I'm just about finished fixing up all those details, and I intend to release a new version soon and start publishing the necessary updates for i386 4.8-RELEASE when it comes out (not that I expect 4.8-RELEASE to include any security holes, of course ;). These would, of course, be freely available (although I might ask for donations to cover bandwidth costs if I get lots of traffic). Would any FreeBSD developer(s) be willing to help me with this? I'd very much like to have at least one person look over my code and give it some sort of "stamp of approval"; both for my own peace of mind and to make people feel more happy about using it. Colin Percival To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 23:18:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497AF37B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E5943F3F for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sh@bel.bc.ca) Received: from REASON ([216.232.215.209]) by priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with SMTP id <20030216071832.TFCT21763.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@REASON> for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:18:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c2d58b$9c6b66d0$d1d7e8d8@slugabed.org> From: "Sean Hamilton" To: Subject: ACPI throttle doesn't cool CPU Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:18:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, After setting hw.acpi.cpu.performance_speed to 1, a dmesg of acpi_cpu0: set speed to 6.2% and a dog slow system, I am still finding my CPU pumping out heat. It's an AMD 1333 with an A7V board. Is this typical behaviour? If so, I'll just underclock the CPU in the bios. I was hoping to be able to run it at full speed during builds. All this ACPI stuff seems interesting, is it well documented anywhere? The man page wasn't of much use. thanks, sh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 15 23:53:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3EA37B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2288443F3F for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:53:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1192) id EF523AE1C6; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:53:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:53:42 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: rfc, optimizing select/poll. Message-ID: <20030216075342.GD93252@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG please include me on cc' as I'm not subscribed to this list. I'm thinking about doing some more work on select/poll for freebsd. The gist of my changes would be two modifications. 1) when select has to allocate space via malloc, cache it in the proc struct to avoid dipping into malloc on future calls. 2) get rid of select collisions. now that we have the tracking of the selinfo structs, we can actually allocate then ahead of time and hang them off of the selinfo in the objects, this would have some memory overhead, but get rid of the collision problem. So, what I'm asking is... Can anyone state ahead of time why they would object to this? (please reply publically) Who will test it? (privately plz) Thanks! -- -Alfred Perlstein [alfred@freebsd.org] 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message