From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 00:10:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1899116A4CE; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E37443D1D; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:10:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE23AE098; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19661-03; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5DB5EAE094; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031228081002.5DB5EAE094@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-12-07 - 2003-12-27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:10:10 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 00:17:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4D716A4CE; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5891443D49; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:17:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dark@unixdaemon.org) Received: from [217.160.230.52] (helo=smtp.perfora.net) by mout.perfora.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AaW7N-0007Ab-00; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:17:45 -0500 Received: from [24.169.60.91] (helo=mxus.perfora.net) by smtp.perfora.net with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AaW7N-0005KM-00; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:17:45 -0500 Received: from unixdaemon.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxus.perfora.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721AC4665; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dark@localhost) by unixdaemon.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hBS8HVFZ065073; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:17:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:17:31 -0500 From: Dev Tugnait To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20031228081731.GA64712@unixdaemon.org> References: <20031228081002.5DB5EAE094@nezlok.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031228081002.5DB5EAE094@nezlok.unixathome.org> X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://unixdaemon.org X-Operating-System: Unix/5.1-RELEASE (i386) X-Uptime: 3:17AM up 16 days, 11:12, 17 users, load averages: 0.19, 0.24, 0.17 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-12-07 - 2003-12-27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:17:48 -0000 quick question why do you keep mailing the same thing voer and over again? * Dan Langille (danl@freebsddiary.org) wrote: > The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical > examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly > to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people > know what's available on the website. Before you post a question > here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list > archives > and/or The FreeBSD Diary . > > > -- > Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited > The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples > FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports > FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ---++--- ---------GnuPGPVer 1.2.3-------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/B9046473 2003-11-21 Dev Tugnait (Freebsd) Key fingerprint = F690 6725 1930 6FBE C05A FE4D 6CB1 34C1 B904 6473 sub 1024g/F8F019DF 2003-11-21 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 06:37:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BE216A4CE; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 06:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE3E43D45; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 06:37:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AB33D34; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:37:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Dev Tugnait Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:37:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FEEA460.22407.C403A305@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20031228081731.GA64712@unixdaemon.org> References: <20031228081002.5DB5EAE094@nezlok.unixathome.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-12-07 - 2003-12-27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:37:39 -0000 On 28 Dec 2003 at 3:17, Dev Tugnait wrote: > * Dan Langille (danl@freebsddiary.org) wrote: > > The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical > > examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly > > to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people > > know what's available on the website. Before you post a question > > here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list > > archives > > and/or The FreeBSD Diary . > quick question why do you keep mailing the same thing voer and over > again? The message is posted by a cron job. The purpose of the message is to inform, and to reduce the load on the mailing list. For what it's worth, I asked the list some time ago (years perhaps) if it was acceptable to post such a message. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 16:48:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F349C16A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD37843D48 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:48:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parmar@mindspring.com) Received: from h-68-164-155-40.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([68.164.155.40] helo=mindspring.com) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AalZz-0005i2-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:48:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3FEF79D5.1090003@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:48:21 -0800 From: ritesh parmar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: why is freebsd so unstable ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:48:22 -0000 Hello everybody. I've just recently install Freebsd 5.1 on my system (AD77 Infinity motherboard, Nvidia fx 5600, 512 Megs of ram). I spent an entire day configuring and booting between freebsd and win2000. The next day when i booted up my system ( after shutting it down with >shutdown -p now) it failed to boot up and said "Init: not found in path." I couldn't figure out a way around this so I re-installed it and spent another day setting everything up. THE VERY NEXT DAY I started my computer and got the same error message? Does anybody know why this is happening ?? Freebsd OS has its own 80 gig hard drive (with seagate's track manager). Is it possible to make a boot disk and then mount the freebsd partition (to fix errors in the boot up script )? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 17:13:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEA916A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527B043D46 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:13:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 16972 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 01:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 01:13:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 03:14:52 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: ritesh parmar Message-Id: <20031229031452.44083695@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <3FEF79D5.1090003@mindspring.com> References: <3FEF79D5.1090003@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Init: not found in path (was: why is freebsd so unstable ???) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:13:45 -0000 On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:48:21 -0800 ritesh parmar wrote: > > Hello everybody. Hi, Better pose this kind of message on question@. Also use a more descriptive subject. > I've just recently install Freebsd 5.1 on my system > (AD77 Infinity motherboard, Nvidia fx 5600, 512 Megs of ram). I spent > an entire day configuring and booting between freebsd and win2000. I fail to see what you mean by that, as FreeBSD's BootEasy works automatically. You did installed when prompted by sysinstall, didn't you ? Or you use another boot manager > The next day when i booted up my system ( after shutting it down with > shutdown -p now) it failed to boot up and said "Init: not found in > path." Boot in single user, if possible, and give the output of lsdev; also the output of fdisk and bsdlabel on the hard disk in question will be useful. > I couldn't figure out a way around this so I re-installed it > and spent another day setting everything up. THE VERY NEXT DAY I > started my computer and got the same error message? Be glad; the harder problems are those that are not reproducible. > Does anybody know > why this is happening ?? Freebsd OS has its own 80 gig hard drive > (with seagate's track manager). I have a strong feeling that the seagate tool is your problem. Note that FreeBSD is accessing the drive directly (by querying the drive itself to get its parameters) after the first boot phase, and so it is by-passing any kind of software that "lies" about the hard disk geometry. > Is it possible to make a boot disk and then mount the freebsd > partition (to fix errors in the boot up script )? The "Fixit" or "Live-CD" - the second ISO is a live file system CD which is what you want. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 12:11:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DC816A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from pike.mail.pike.ru (pike.mail.pike.ru [194.135.18.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69D543D41 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:11:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DerAlSem@inbox.ru) Received: (qmail 99117 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 20:15:28 -0000 Received: from deralsem.pikenet.ru (HELO DERALDO) (194.135.17.85) by pike.mail.pike.ru with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 20:15:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:11:09 +0300 From: DerAlSem X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <834530101.20031229231109@inbox.ru> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: library missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: DerAlSem List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:11:14 -0000 Hello freebsd-newbies, I'm trying to start shoutcast server and it gives me this error: bash-2.05b$ ./sc_serv /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc_r.so.4" not found bash-2.05b$ Where can i get this library? -- Best regards, DerAlSem mailto:DerAlSem@inbox.ru From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 14:01:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EEB16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E7543D2D for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:01:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ginipig@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc6vb.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.235] helo=GINIPIG) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Ab5Rh-0007Nj-00; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:01:05 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c3cd8d$f9d9a8e0$6401a8c0@GINIPIG> From: "Joseph" To: "ritesh parmar" References: <3FEF79D5.1090003@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:00:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why is freebsd so unstable ??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:01:07 -0000 After installing 5.1, did you make sure that successive reboots worked properly? Also, if I may ask, did you upgrade 5.1 from previous 4 versions via makeworld, or did you install a fresh copy from a cd? It's not so much Freebsd being unstable, it's more of the fact that your system doesn't know where to look for boot files. Send me the details, and I'll try to help out as much as I can. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ritesh parmar" To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: why is freebsd so unstable ??? > > Hello everybody. I've just recently install Freebsd 5.1 on my system > (AD77 Infinity motherboard, Nvidia fx 5600, 512 Megs of ram). I spent > an entire day configuring and booting between freebsd and win2000. The > next day when i booted up my system ( after shutting it down with > >shutdown -p now) it failed to boot up and said "Init: not found in > path." I couldn't figure out a way around this so I re-installed it and > spent another day setting everything up. THE VERY NEXT DAY I started my > computer and got the same error message? Does anybody know why this is > happening ?? Freebsd OS has its own 80 gig hard drive (with seagate's > track manager). > > Is it possible to make a boot disk and then mount the freebsd partition > (to fix errors in the boot up script )? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 14:06:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4500916A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from theswamp.org (rrcs-se-24-73-208-46.biz.rr.com [24.73.208.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBDA943D62 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@theswamp.org) Received: (qmail 6259 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 22:06:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by jed.theswamp.org (127.0.0.1) with ESMTP; 29 Dec 2003 22:06:05 -0000 Received: from pc-00101.theswamp.org (pc-00101.theswamp.org [192.168.131.101]) by theswamp.org (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:06:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1072735564.3ff0a54cf39f2@theswamp.org> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:06:04 -0500 From: lists@theswamp.org To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <834530101.20031229231109@inbox.ru> In-Reply-To: <834530101.20031229231109@inbox.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.131.101 X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server Subject: Re: library missing X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:06:20 -0000 Quoting DerAlSem : > Hello freebsd-newbies, > > I'm trying to start shoutcast server and it gives me this error: > bash-2.05b$ ./sc_serv > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc_r.so.4" not found > bash-2.05b$ > > Where can i get this library? > > -- > Best regards, > DerAlSem mailto:DerAlSem@inbox.ru I'm not sure but a google search for "libc_r.so.4" sure brought up a bunch of stuff. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 19:40:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5387B16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCD243D53 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:40:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parmar@mindspring.com) Received: from h-68-164-86-250.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([68.164.86.250] helo=mindspring.com) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AbAk8-0001Lz-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:40:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3FF0F3B0.6080703@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:40:32 -0800 From: ritesh parmar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Missing operating system message after neighborhood black out X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 03:40:31 -0000 I posted a message a few days ago with the subject line "Why is Freebsd so unstable". I've gotten Freebsd to work after i posted that message but now i've got another problem. I came home today from work and found that the computer had been turned off (power went out in the whole neighborhood). I turned on my computer and now i get a "Missing Operating System" message. Both Windows and linux can normally recover after an abrupt shutdown. Can freebsd also recover or do I have to re-install it every time the power goes out? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 20:05:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990AB16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC29543D41 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 32594 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 04:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 04:05:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:06:48 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: ritesh parmar Message-Id: <20031230060648.6e609068@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <3FF0F3B0.6080703@mindspring.com> References: <3FF0F3B0.6080703@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Missing operating system message after neighborhood black out X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 04:05:36 -0000 On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:40:32 -0800 ritesh parmar wrote: > > > I posted a message a few days ago with the subject line "Why is Freebsd > so unstable". I've gotten Freebsd to work after i posted that message > but now i've got another problem. > > I came home today from work and found that the computer had been turned > off (power went out in the whole neighborhood). I turned on my computer > and now > i get a "Missing Operating System" message. Both Windows and linux can > normally recover after an abrupt shutdown. Can freebsd also recover or > do I have to re-install it every time the power goes out? No, so many of us run mission-critical servers on FreeBSD because it is completely unreliable. And we're forcing you to run it to lose all your data. I'm curious, did you tried to google for that message ? Are you sure the computer was in FreeBSD when the power got off ? Sure ? Do you blame FreeBSD, the other operating system or your boot loader ? The way you are formulating your messages it almost seems to me you do not want help, but just to annoy people who could help you set your system you. My 2c -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 21:21:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194B116A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f80.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32F743D54 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:21:28 -0800 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:21:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:21:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2003 05:21:28.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6EC9160:01C3CE94] cc: parmar@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Missing operating system message after neighborhood black out X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:21:31 -0000 On Dec. 29, 2003, ritesh parmar wrote: > >I posted a message a few days ago with the subject line "Why is Freebsd so >unstable". I've gotten Freebsd to work after i posted that message but now >i've got another problem. > >I came home today from work and found that the computer had been turned off >(power went out in the whole neighborhood). I turned on my computer and now >i get a "Missing Operating System" message. Both Windows and linux can >normally recover after an abrupt shutdown. Can freebsd also recover or do I >have to re-install it every time the power goes out? > Ritesh, A number of things could cause this. I'm going to assume you've not done anything like leave a floppy or cd in the drive and not set your BIOS to not boot from it. In the case that your disk is screwed: your disk is screwed. Sorry, but that's the fact. With a little help from -questions you may be able to recover it. (hint, hint.) FreeBSD really is a wonderful and stable system, and I'm beginning to have questions about the disk you're installing it to. As for recovering from a power outage, I've had it happen many times and have never lost the OS because of it. With 4.x, you may lose data that you were currently working on; 5.x should be able to recover even that, since it keeps 'soft-updates' of open files. Normally, all that is required is to fsck the filesystems, as they weren't unmounted properly, and freebsd does it automatically on the next boot. I hope that you get your problem fixed, Regards, Clayton PS. please do word your titles and writing differently, you are kind of begging to get flamed. I would also caution you against it, as the problems aren't likely caused by the OS, but by circumstance, hardware, or even your own ignorance (as has been my experience :) ). _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 22:46:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1309F16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82B743D58 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:46:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 2858 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 06:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 06:45:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:46:48 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031230084648.78c5242c@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: parmar@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Missing operating system message after neighborhood black out X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:46:33 -0000 [clayton, I've didn't see a good reason to cc you] On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:21:27 +0000 "clayton rollins" wrote: > On Dec. 29, 2003, ritesh parmar wrote: > > > >I posted a message a few days ago with the subject line "Why is > >Freebsd so unstable". I've gotten Freebsd to work after i posted that > >message but now i've got another problem. > > > >I came home today from work and found that the computer had been > >turned off (power went out in the whole neighborhood). I turned on my > >computer and now i get a "Missing Operating System" message. Both > >Windows and linux can normally recover after an abrupt shutdown. Can > >freebsd also recover or do I have to re-install it every time the > >power goes out? > > > > Ritesh, > > A number of things could cause this. I'm going to assume you've not > done anything like leave a floppy or cd in the drive and not set your > BIOS to not boot from it. Or the on-track boot loader that OP is using, esp. combined with windows. > In the case that your disk is screwed: your disk is screwed. Sorry, > but that's the fact. > With a little help from -questions you may be able to recover it. > (hint, hint.) :) Blind guess, as the OP didn't post any relevant info: the bsd partition isn't marked active. > FreeBSD really is a wonderful and stable system, and I'm beginning to > have questions about the disk you're installing it to. Could be that to. > As for recovering from a power outage, I've had it happen many times > and have never lost the OS because of it. Same here, ranging from an old k8-2 firewall to SCSI with vinum RAID database server in full activity. > With 4.x, you may lose data that you were currently working on; Soft update also exist for UFS1/FreeBSD 4.x > 5.x should be able to recover even that, since > it keeps 'soft-updates' of open files. > > Normally, all that is required is to fsck the filesystems, as they > weren't unmounted properly, and freebsd does it automatically on the > next boot. > > I hope that you get your problem fixed, > Regards, > Clayton > > PS. please do word your titles and writing differently, you are kind > of begging to get flamed. I would also caution you against it, as the > problems aren't likely caused by the OS, but by circumstance, > hardware, or even your own ignorance (as has been my experience :) ). Ended. Please read http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html and bellow: From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:02:00 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions. =================================================== Last update $Date: 2003/03/09 22:09:31 $ This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list. If you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your message: - You left out a subject line, or the subject line was not appropriate. - You formatted it in such a way that it was difficult to read. - You asked more than one unrelated question in one message. - You sent out a message with an incorrect date, time or time zone. - You sent out the same message more than once. - You sent an 'unsubscribe' message to FreeBSD-questions. If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you will get more than one copy of this message from different people. Read on, and your next message will be more successful. This document is also available on the web at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html. ===================================================================== Contents: I: Introduction II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions III: Should I ask -questions, -newbies or -hackers? IV: How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions V: How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions I: Introduction =============== This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from FreeBSD-questions (the "newcomers"), and also those who answer the questions (the "hackers"). Note that the term "hacker" has nothing to do with breaking into other people's computers. The correct term for the latter activity is "cracker", but the popular press hasn't found out yet. The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking security, and have nothing to do with it. In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the different viewpoints of the two groups. The newcomers accused the hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English, and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration. In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions. In the following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that, we'll look at how to answer one. II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions ============================================== When you subscribed to FreeBSD-questions, you got a welcome message from Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG. In this message, amongst other things, it told you how to unsubscribe. Here's a typical message: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list! If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to "Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe freebsd-questions Greg Lehey Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS User questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send "how to" questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Normally, unsubscribing is even simpler than the message suggests: you don't need to specify your mail ID unless it is different from the one which you specified when you subscribed. If Majordomo replies and tells you (incorrectly) that you're not on the list, this may mean one of two things: 1. You have changed your mail ID since you subscribed. That's where keeping the original message from majordomo comes in handy. For example, the sample message above shows my mail ID as grog@lemis.de. Since then, I have changed it to grog@lemis.com. If I were to try to remove grog@lemis.com from the list, it would fail: I would have to specify the name with which I joined. 2. You're subscribed to a mailing list which is subscribed to FreeBSD-questions. If that's the case, you'll have to figure out which one it is and get your name taken off that one. If you're not sure which one it might be, check the headers of the messages you receive from freebsd-questions: maybe there's a clue there. If you've done all this, and you still can't figure out what's going on, send a message to Postmaster@FreeBSD.org, and he will sort things out for you. Don't send a message to FreeBSD-questions: they can't help you. III: Should I ask -questions, -newbies or -hackers? =================================================== Two mailing lists handle general questions about FreeBSD, FreeBSD-questions and FreeBSD-hackers. In addition, the FreeBSD-newbies list caters specifically for people who are new to FreeBSD and may be having trouble getting used to the environment. In some cases, it's not really clear which group you should ask. The following criteria should help for 99% of all questions, however: If the question is of a general nature, first check whether this isn't a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ). There's a list of these questions at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html, and also on your own system (once you've installed it) at /usr/share/doc/en/books/faq/index.html. Check there, and if you don't find an answer, ask FreeBSD-questions. Examples might be questions about installing FreeBSD or the use of a particular UNIX utility. If you think the question relates to a bug, but you're not sure, or you don't know how to look for it, send the message to FreeBSD-questions. If the question relates to a bug, and you're almost sure that it's a bug (for example, you can pinpoint the place in the code where it happens, and you maybe have a fix), then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. You should also enter a problem report with the send-pr utility. If the question relates to enhancements to FreeBSD, and you can make suggestions about how to implement them, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. If the question is of particularly technical nature, such as implementation details or suggestions for improvements, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. If you're new to FreeBSD, and the message is about your own relationship to FreeBSD, send the message to FreeBSD-newbies. There are also a number of other specialized mailing lists, for example FreeBSD-isp, which caters to the interests of ISPs (Internet Service Providers) who run FreeBSD. If you happen to be an ISP, this doesn't mean you should automatically send your questions to FreeBSD-isp. The criteria above still apply, and it's in your interest to stick to them, since you're more likely to get good results that way. IV: How to submit a question ============================= When submitting a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider the following points: 1. Remember that nobody gets paid for answering a FreeBSD question. They do it of their own free will. You can influence this free will positively by submitting a well-formulated question supplying as much relevant information as possible. You can influence this free will negatively by submitting an incomplete, illegible, or rude question. It's perfectly possible to send a message to FreeBSD-questions and not get an answer even if you follow these rules. It's much more possible to not get an answer if you don't. In the rest of this document, we'll look at how to get the most out of your question to FreeBSD-questions. 2. Not everybody who answers FreeBSD questions reads every message: they look at the subject line and decide whether it interests them. Clearly, it's in your interest to specify a subject. ``FreeBSD problem'' or ``Help'' aren't enough. If you provide no subject at all, many people won't bother reading it. If your subject isn't specific enough, the people who can answer it may not read it. 3. When sending a new message, well, send a new message. Don't reply to some other message, erase the old content and change the subject line. That leaves an In-reply-to: header which many mail readers use to thread messages, so your message shows up as a reply to some other message. People often delete messages a whole thread at a time, so apart from irritating people, you also run a chance of having the message deleted unread. 4. Format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DON'T SHOUT!!!!!. We appreciate that a lot of people don't speak English as their first language, and we try to make allowances for that, but it's really painful to try to read a message written full of typos or without any line breaks. A lot of badly formatted messages come from bad mailers or badly configured mailers. The following mailers are known to send out badly formatted messages without you finding out about them: Eudora exmh Microsoft Exchange Microsoft Internet Mail Microsoft Outlook Netscape As you can see, the mailers in the Microsoft world are frequent offenders. If at all possible, use a UNIX mailer. If you must use a mailer under Microsoft environments, make sure it is set up correctly. Try not to use MIME: a lot of people use mailers which don't get on very well with MIME. For further information on this subject, check out http://www.lemis.com/email.html. 5. Make sure your time and time zone are set correctly. This may seem a little silly, since your message still gets there, but many of the people you are trying to reach get several hundred messages a day. They frequently sort the incoming messages by subject and by date, and if your message doesn't come before the first answer, they may assume they missed it and not bother to look. 6. Don't include unrelated questions in the same message. Firstly, a long message tends to scare people off, and secondly, it's more difficult to get all the people who can answer all the questions to read the message. 7. Specify as much information as possible. This is a difficult area, and we need to expand on what information you need to submit, but here's a start: If you get error messages, don't say ``I get error messages'', say (for example) ``I get the error message 'No route to host'''. If your system panics, don't say ``My system panicked'', say (for example) ``my system panicked with the message 'free vnode isn't'''. If you have difficulty installing FreeBSD, please tell us what hardware you have. In particular, it's important to know the IRQs and I/O addresses of the boards installed in your machine. If you have difficulty getting PPP to run, describe the configuration. Which version of PPP do you use? What kind of authentication do you have? Do you have a static or dynamic IP address? What kind of messages do you get in the log file? 8. If you don't get an answer immediately, or if you don't even see your own message appear on the list immediately, don't resend the message. Wait at least 24 hours. The FreeBSD mailer offloads messages to a number of subordinate mailers around the world, and sometimes it can take several hours for the mail to get through. And once it gets through, the one person who might know the answer will probably just have gone to bed in his part of the world. 9. If you do all this, and you still don't get an answer, there could be other reasons. For example, the problem is so complicated that nobody knows the answer, or the person who does know the answer was offline. If you don't get an answer after, say, a week, it might help to re-send the message. If you don't get an answer to your second message, though, you're probably not going to get one from this forum. Resending the same message again and again will only make you unpopular. To summarize, let's assume you know the answer to the following question (yes, it's the same one in each case :-). You choose which of these two questions you would be more prepared to answer: Message 1: Subject: (none) I just can't get hits damn silly FereBSD system to workd, and Im really good at this tsuff, but I have never seen anythign sho difficult to install, it jst wont work whatever I try so why don't y9ou guys tell me what I doing wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message 2: Subject: Problems installing FreeBSD I've just got the FreeBSD 2.1.5 CD-ROM from Walnut Creek, and I'm having a lot of difficulty installing it. I have a 66 MHz 486 with 16 MB of memory and an Adaptec 1540A SCSI board, a 1.2GB Quantum Fireball disk and a Toshiba 3501XA CD-ROM drive. The installation works just fine, but when I try to reboot the system, I get the message "Missing Operating System". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- V: How to follow up to a question ================================= Often you will want to send in additional information to a question you have already sent. The best way to do this is to reply to your original message. This has three advantages: 1. You include the original message text, so people will know what you're talking about. Don't forget to trim unnecessary text out, though. 2. The text in the subject line stays the same (you did remember to put one in, didn't you?). Many mailers will sort messages by subject. This helps group messages together. 3. The message reference numbers in the header will refer to the previous message. Some mailers, such as mutt, can thread messages, showing the exact relationships between the messages. VI: How to answer a question ============================ Before you answer a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider: 1. A lot of the points on submitting questions also apply to answering questions. Read them. 2. Has somebody already answered the question? The easiest way to check this is to sort your incoming mail by subject: then (hopefully) you'll see the question followed by any answers, all together. If somebody has already answered it, it doesn't automatically mean that you shouldn't send another answer. But it makes sense to read all the other answers first. 3. Do you have something to contribute beyond what has already been said? In general, "Yeah, me too" answers don't help much, although there are exceptions, like when somebody is describing a problem he's having, and he doesn't know whether it's his fault or whether there's something wrong with the hardware or software. If you do send a "me too" answer, you should also include any further relevant information. 4. Are you sure you understand the question? Very frequently, the person who asks the question is confused or doesn't express himself very well. Even with the best understanding of the system, it's easy to send a reply which doesn't answer the question. This doesn't help: you'll leave the person who submitted the question more frustrated or confused than ever. If nobody else answers, and you're not too sure either, you can always ask for more information. 5. Are you sure your answer is correct? If not, wait a day or so. If nobody else comes up with a better answer, you can still reply and say, for example, "I don't know if this is correct, but since nobody else has replied, why don't you try replacing your ATAPI CD-ROM with a frog?". 6. Unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. Many people on the FreeBSD-questions are "lurkers": they learn by reading messages sent and replied to by others. If you take a message which is of general interest off the list, you're depriving these people of their information. Be careful with group replies; lots of people send messages with hundreds of CCs. If this is the case, be sure to trim the Cc: lines appropriately. 7. Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the minimum, but don't overdo it. It should still be possible for somebody who didn't read the original message to understand what you're talking about. 8. Use some technique to identify which text came from the original message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending ``> '' to the original message works best. Leaving white space after the ``> '' and leave empty lines between your text and the original text both make the result more readable. 9. Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it replies). It's very difficult to read a thread of responses where each reply comes before the text to which it replies. 10. Most mailers change the subject line on a reply by prepending a text such as ``Re: ''. If your mailer doesn't do it automatically, you should do it manually. 11. If the submitter didn't abide by format conventions (lines too long, inappropriate subject line), please fix it. In the case of an incorrect subject line (such as ``HELP!!??''), change the subject line to (say) ``Re: Difficulties with sync PPP (was: HELP!!??)''. That way other people trying to follow the thread will have less difficulty following it. In such cases, it's appropriate to say what you did and why you did it, but try not to be rude. If you find you can't answer without being rude, don't answer. If you just want to reply to a message because of its bad format, just reply to the submitter, not to the list. You can just send him this message in reply, if you like. $Id: Howto-ask-questions,v 1.4 2003/03/09 22:09:31 grog Exp $ _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 30 00:30:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FAB16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com (web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com [203.199.70.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5296143D48 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:30:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swismitha@yahoo.co.in) Message-ID: <20031230083025.59828.qmail@web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.90.93.226] by web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:30:25 GMT Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:30:25 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?cathy=20swismitha?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: scheduling-FIFO,RR X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:30:30 -0000 hi, how the scheduler knows which is real-time process that is to be scheduled using FIFO and RR in freebsd 4.7. the other scheduling mechanisms are used by which kind of processes. with regards, swismitha Yahoo! 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From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 06:25:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6196116A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law15-f55.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A5543D1D for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:25:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tommy2003lee@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:25:24 -0800 Received: from 213.129.174.131 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:25:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.129.174.131] X-Originating-Email: [tommy2003lee@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tommy2003lee@hotmail.com From: "Yu Cao" To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:25:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2003 14:25:24.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDD7A060:01C3CFA9] Subject: Absolute BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:25:25 -0000 Hi! I think that absolute BSD, the ultimate guide to FreeBSD from Michael lucas is good for newbies, it's generally very good for newbies to startup a server and teaches some basic unix tools, and teaches you how to upgrade, etc.. It's quite like the handbook but much more easier to follow for newbies and i think combining the handbook with the Absolute BSD is a great teaching resource yu cao _________________________________________________________________ 享用世界上最大的电子邮件系统— MSN Hotmail。 http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 06:50:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810E316A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.telissant.com (h-66-167-251-2.PHLAPAFG.covad.net [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE35243D1F for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:50:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anclo@anclo.com) Received: from leporello.anclo.com (13.myma1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.177.46]) by vmail.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C527C1B913E for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:50:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20031231094543.0346d8b8@imap.telissant.com> X-Sender: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:49:57 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Anclo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: Absolute BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:50:58 -0000 At 09:25 AM 12/31/2003, you wrote: >Hi! > >I think that absolute BSD, the ultimate guide to FreeBSD from Michael >lucas is good for newbies, it's generally very good for newbies to startup >a server and teaches some basic unix tools, and teaches you how to >upgrade, etc.. It's quite like the handbook but much more easier to follow >for newbies and i think combining the handbook with the Absolute BSD is a >great teaching resource >yu cao I agree - Absolute BSD is a great book for newbies. If are installing FreeBSD for the first (and second and third) time, get Absolute BSD before the Handbook. Anclo From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 14:34:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E236B16A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182EA43D31 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:34:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bartobri@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-24-11-10-106.client.comcast.net[24.11.10.106]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003123122343401300km76te>; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 22:34:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <81126C53-3BE1-11D8-A4F5-000A95886E00@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Barto Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:34:32 -0500 To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Subject: Re: Absolute BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 22:34:36 -0000 > Hi! > > I think that absolute BSD, the ultimate guide to FreeBSD from Michael > lucas is good for newbies, it's generally very good for newbies to > startup a server and teaches some basic unix tools, and teaches you > how to upgrade, etc.. It's quite like the handbook but much more > easier to follow for newbies and i think combining the handbook with > the Absolute BSD is a great teaching resource > yu cao > Agreed! This book spells out exactly what to do for installing, recompiling the kernel, backing up, hardening, configuring deamons, setting up SCSI, etc. It was and still is a huge life saver. I highly recommend it. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 16:13:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA5A16A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from thing.verysmall.org (thing.verysmall.org [212.100.226.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D01E43D54 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:13:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: (qmail 19753 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 00:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMX30) (217.239.46.220) by thing.verysmall.org with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 00:18:21 -0000 From: "Iavor Raytchev" To: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 01:13:16 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: Install on IBM X30 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:13:17 -0000 Hello, I have an IBM X30 laptop without external CD or FDD - so I can't boot = from CD or FDD. I have also no network access to another computer. I can = just download the installation software form the FreeBSD web site. Is = there a way to install FreeBSD in such situation? If it is absolutely = impossible - can I boot from COMPACT FLASH (IBM X30 has COMPACT FLASH = slot - I can put there also IBM 1 GB micro drive) or from a USB MEMORY = KEY? Thank you very much for your help! Best regards, Iavor From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 19:16:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE89C16A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D6B43D41 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:16:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpratt1950@earthlink.net) Received: from user68.net585.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.41.6.68] helo=kt.weeble.com) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AbtJs-0005hw-00; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:16:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 22:16:56 -0500 From: Randy Pratt To: "Iavor Raytchev" Message-Id: <20031231221656.56df0449.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Install on IBM X30 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 03:16:22 -0000 On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 01:13:16 +0100 you wrote: > I have an IBM X30 laptop without external CD or FDD - so I can't boot > from CD or FDD. I have also no network access to another computer. I can > just download the installation software form the FreeBSD web site. Is > there a way to install FreeBSD in such situation? If it is absolutely > impossible - can I boot from COMPACT FLASH (IBM X30 has COMPACT FLASH > slot - I can put there also IBM 1 GB micro drive) or from a USB MEMORY > KEY? Hi Iavor,=20 Welcome to FreeBSD! I hope that you find it a rewarding experience. The Handbook section 2.13.4 "Installing from an MS-DOS=AE Partition" might be what you're looking for: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-diff-medi= a.html If you need more information or have questions, it would be best to ask on the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list. This list is typically for chatting and discussing non-technical issues. Best of luck with your install! Randy --=20 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 20:54:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E55E16A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F9643D46 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:54:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Soulsurfer@soulsurfersrealm.com) Received: from [217.160.230.51] (helo=smtp.perfora.net) by mout.perfora.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Abuqa-0007JL-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:54:12 -0500 Received: from [66.215.200.146] (helo=192.168.1.100) by smtp.perfora.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Abuqa-0004L3-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:54:12 -0500 From: Tony Allen To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:54:21 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <20031230200045.2943316A4CE@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20031230200045.2943316A4CE@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312312054.21073.Soulsurfer@SoulsurfersRealm.com> Subject: cups with foomatic X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 04:54:14 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to get my USB hp psc 2110 to work with freebsd and I've run into a wall. At first I thought it was a matter of installing the newest cups and cups-base but then I found out that most drivers weren't in the administration for cups through http://localhost:631. Then I read about foomatic-db and foomatic-db-engine ports. I installed both of those but the correct printer still didn't show up in the cups setup. After being unable to find the answer to the foomatics riddle, I downloaded the ppd file from linuxprinting.org for my printer and copied it to /usr/local/share/cups/model/. I read that I needed foomatic-filters, i.e. - foomatic-rip and foomatic-gswrapper, so i built from source that i downloaded from linuxprinting.org. I copied foomatic-rip and foomatic-gswrapper to /usr/local/bin like the directions i read said to do. (by the way, if you're curious about the directions i read, here's the link: http://webs.tconline.net/softedges/linux/cugbsd4.html ) At any rate, after copying the ppd file, i did see my printer model in the cups setup, but when i try to send a job to it, nothing happens. I set the cupsd.conf to debug and looked at the error_log but couldn't find what was happening wrong. the only thing I saw was that the locale LC_ALL isn't set, so it went to standard locale "C". and the printing ended D [31/Dec/2003:18:26:08 -0800] StopJob: printer state is 3 I'm not sure if 3 is a good state or bad state. I dont want to make the message too long by including my error log, but you can look at part of it at www.soulsurfersrealm.com/error_log I'm not very good at undersatnding everything so I only cut as much out as i thought could be disregarded. One last thing, I'm not sure if i have to do something else to make it work but does the ppd file automatically call for the program it needs, in this case hpijs? Thanks for your help! Tony