From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 8 00:26:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16C916A4DE for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 00:26:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB56243DAC for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 00:26:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id B73F01CE0A; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 17:33:21 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050508003321.GI28027@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Subject: Integrating 'FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows 2000' flyer X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 00:26:49 -0000 I think it's long past time to update the old 'FreeBSD vs Linux vs Windows 2000' flyer available at : http://www.FreeBSD.org/~murray/OS.pdf One problem with this document is that it really doesn't fit into the mold of other content we provide in doc/ or www/, though that is clearly where it belongs. If we can get it into a text based format somewhere that we can all update then I'm sure the content will be improved rapidly. To date this document has mostly been distributed in print form. Perhaps someone could volunteer to TeX it like Marc's existing freebsd-flyer and import it as : doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/flyers/os-comparison Alternatively, we could maintain it just as an HTML based table in : www/en/marketing/os-comparison.html I guess the decision really comes down to how nicely a TeX version can be made to look. If the answer is not that nicely, then I think maintaining an HTML version makes the most sense and then having an artist manually import it into Quark once in a while to make a nice PDF version. Thoughts? Volunteers? Other technical solutions for maintaining this content besides the two mentioned above? - Murray ----- Forwarded message from Fafa Hafiz Krantz ----- From: "Fafa Hafiz Krantz" Subject: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows 2000 To: murray@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:50:58 -0500 Hello! I am a FreeBSD advocate as well as identity designer. And I am a great fan of your BSD Flier; it has become the authoritative document for explaining FreeBSD's superiority. Due to its old age, however, it is loosing its credibility. Would you be interested in conducting a new comparison of equal nature -- with up to date facts? I will do everything in my power to format it into a neat and professional document. Please say yes :) -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.bleed.no -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 8 06:29:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3E116A4E1 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 06:29:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D5643D79 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 06:29:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (gothic.blackend.org [192.168.1.203]) j486TUvM071320; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:29:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j486TUMH000876; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:29:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@gothic.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j486TQJi000875; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:29:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:29:26 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20050508062926.GA586@gothic.blackend.org> References: <20050508003321.GI28027@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050508003321.GI28027@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Integrating 'FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows 2000' flyer X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 06:29:34 -0000 On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 05:33:21PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > I think it's long past time to update the old 'FreeBSD vs Linux vs > Windows 2000' flyer available at : > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/~murray/OS.pdf > > One problem with this document is that it really doesn't fit into the > mold of other content we provide in doc/ or www/, though that is > clearly where it belongs. If we can get it into a text based format > somewhere that we can all update then I'm sure the content will be > improved rapidly. > > To date this document has mostly been distributed in print form. > Perhaps someone could volunteer to TeX it like Marc's existing > freebsd-flyer and import it as : > > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/flyers/os-comparison > > Alternatively, we could maintain it just as an HTML based table in : > > www/en/marketing/os-comparison.html > > I guess the decision really comes down to how nicely a TeX version can > be made to look. If the answer is not that nicely, then I think > maintaining an HTML version makes the most sense and then having an > artist manually import it into Quark once in a while to make a nice > PDF version. > [...] Everything is possible with TeX but requires some knowledge and a lot of time when it comes to do some DTP works. I think having, in a first time, an HTML version is a good thing (it allows translation and easy update). Then if people need a printable version, a TeX conversion or Scribus one (maybe the best solution) could be done. The best choice for a printed version would be something using our toolchain, this leads to a TeX version. However using Scribus may be easier, and will still allow us to translate and update the content. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 8 10:17:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5309A16A4E1; Sun, 8 May 2005 10:17:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from isis.sigpipe.cz (fw.sigpipe.cz [62.245.70.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4270743D79; Sun, 8 May 2005 10:17:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neuhauser@sigpipe.cz) Received: by isis.sigpipe.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9E8AF1F87BED; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:17:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:17:08 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu Message-ID: <20050508101708.GB3232@isis.sigpipe.cz> References: <1115337385.0@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20050506044846.2473f92c@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20050507122226.3ef86c5e@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050507122226.3ef86c5e@it.buh.tecnik93.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD gnats submit cc: pav@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/80681: articles/problem-reports: don't tell people they should sumbit a PR each time they see an outdated port X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 10:17:11 -0000 # itetcu@people.tecnik93.com / 2005-05-07 12:22:26 +0300: > The only reason for "outdated announce" PR is that maybe someday someone > other that a commiter (as a commiter is busy enough) will start looking > in the PR database for something to do; now we all know how interested > is the mythical Someone to do just that. IMO the practical value of this > PR equals zero (even less since they generate supplementary work for the > commiters - and the typical wait time for a non-commiter maintainer > update is about a week this days). > > Now if the port is maintained, to have a PR announcing you there's a new > version is usually frustrating: you know there's a new version, you > probably have worked with the developer on it, you're probably testing > to see there's no regression, etc. So this kind of PRs do the same good > as a simple email (which can be useful if you maintain a large number of > ports or for the ports that are updated rarely - I use a monthly cron > job to remind me of them). I used the above text as a base for this patch; I haven't tested it compiles. Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.36 diff -u -u -r1.36 article.sgml --- en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml 15 Jan 2005 02:16:42 -0000 1.36 +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml 8 May 2005 10:11:30 -0000 @@ -107,6 +107,20 @@ software (mainly ports, but also externally maintained base system components such as BIND or various GNU utilities). + For unmaintained ports (MAINTAINER contains + ports@FreeBSD.org), such update notifications + might get picked up by an interested + committer, or you might be asked to provide a patch to update + the port; providing it upfront will greatly improve your chances + that the port will get updated in a timely manner. + If the port is maintained, PRs announcing new upstream releases + are usually not very useful since they generate supplementary work + for the commiters, and the maintainer likely knows already there's + a new version, they have probably worked with the developers on it, + they're probably testing to see there's no regression, etc. + In either case, following the process described in Porter's + Handbook will yield the best results. -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 8 10:20:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1DC16A4E1 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 10:20:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD83543D76 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 10:20:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48AKBgs000775 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 10:20:11 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j48AKBes000774; Sun, 8 May 2005 10:20:11 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 10:20:11 GMT Message-Id: <200505081020.j48AKBes000774@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Roman Neuhauser Subject: Re: docs/80681: articles/problem-reports: don't tell people they should sumbit a PR each time they see an outdated port X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Roman Neuhauser List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 10:20:12 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/80681; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Roman Neuhauser To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu Cc: David Adam , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD gnats submit , pav@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/80681: articles/problem-reports: don't tell people they should sumbit a PR each time they see an outdated port Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:17:08 +0200 # itetcu@people.tecnik93.com / 2005-05-07 12:22:26 +0300: > The only reason for "outdated announce" PR is that maybe someday someone > other that a commiter (as a commiter is busy enough) will start looking > in the PR database for something to do; now we all know how interested > is the mythical Someone to do just that. IMO the practical value of this > PR equals zero (even less since they generate supplementary work for the > commiters - and the typical wait time for a non-commiter maintainer > update is about a week this days). > > Now if the port is maintained, to have a PR announcing you there's a new > version is usually frustrating: you know there's a new version, you > probably have worked with the developer on it, you're probably testing > to see there's no regression, etc. So this kind of PRs do the same good > as a simple email (which can be useful if you maintain a large number of > ports or for the ports that are updated rarely - I use a monthly cron > job to remind me of them). I used the above text as a base for this patch; I haven't tested it compiles. Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.36 diff -u -u -r1.36 article.sgml --- en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml 15 Jan 2005 02:16:42 -0000 1.36 +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml 8 May 2005 10:11:30 -0000 @@ -107,6 +107,20 @@ software (mainly ports, but also externally maintained base system components such as BIND or various GNU utilities). + For unmaintained ports (MAINTAINER contains + ports@FreeBSD.org), such update notifications + might get picked up by an interested + committer, or you might be asked to provide a patch to update + the port; providing it upfront will greatly improve your chances + that the port will get updated in a timely manner. + If the port is maintained, PRs announcing new upstream releases + are usually not very useful since they generate supplementary work + for the commiters, and the maintainer likely knows already there's + a new version, they have probably worked with the developers on it, + they're probably testing to see there's no regression, etc. + In either case, following the process described in Porter's + Handbook will yield the best results. -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 8 16:02:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6E016A4E3 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:02:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B7C43D8A for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:02:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fn211@cam.ac.uk) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from guanabara.ch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.121.71]:54448) by ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.150]:587) with esmtpsa (PLAIN:fn211) (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) id 1DUoF5-0003jv-0M (Exim 4.51) for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org (return-path ); Sun, 08 May 2005 17:02:55 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Florian Nigsch Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:02:55 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Sender: fn211@hermes.cam.ac.uk Subject: Email addresses in mailinglist archives X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 16:02:57 -0000 Dear All, [I am not subscribed to the list, please CC any replies to me. Thank you very much.] In times of ever and ever more spam, I am really concerned about my email address being able to be found on the internet in its useable (not descrambled) form. I just googled for my email address (flo at nigsch com) and found it several times in the archives of the freebsd-questions mailinglist (among some other mailinglist archives), to which I used to contribute some years ago. I wanted to ask you if it was possible or if you have any plans, to convert all the email addresses in the archives in some format that makes it more difficult for robots to get hold of them? It's not only my personal interest that I asking for this. Thank you very much for your consideration, Florian Nigsch From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 8 20:03:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBEC16A4E7 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:03:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10C4143DA5 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:03:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 2930 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 19:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 8 May 2005 19:55:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 5583 invoked by uid 89); 8 May 2005 20:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 8 May 2005 20:15:59 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F31811417; Sun, 8 May 2005 23:03:05 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 23:03:04 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Roman Neuhauser Message-ID: <20050508230304.5de3ea23@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <20050508101708.GB3232@isis.sigpipe.cz> References: <1115337385.0@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20050506044846.2473f92c@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20050507122226.3ef86c5e@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20050508101708.GB3232@isis.sigpipe.cz> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD gnats submit cc: pav@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/80681: articles/problem-reports: don't tell people they should sumbit a PR each time they see an outdated port X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:03:09 -0000 On Sun, 8 May 2005 12:17:08 +0200 Roman Neuhauser wrote: > # itetcu@people.tecnik93.com / 2005-05-07 12:22:26 +0300: > > The only reason for "outdated announce" PR is that maybe someday someone > > other that a commiter (as a commiter is busy enough) will start looking > > in the PR database for something to do; now we all know how interested > > is the mythical Someone to do just that. IMO the practical value of this > > PR equals zero (even less since they generate supplementary work for the > > commiters - and the typical wait time for a non-commiter maintainer > > update is about a week this days). > > > > Now if the port is maintained, to have a PR announcing you there's a new > > version is usually frustrating: you know there's a new version, you > > probably have worked with the developer on it, you're probably testing > > to see there's no regression, etc. So this kind of PRs do the same good > > as a simple email (which can be useful if you maintain a large number of > > ports or for the ports that are updated rarely - I use a monthly cron > > job to remind me of them). > > I used the above text as a base for this patch; I haven't tested > it compiles. > > Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.36 > diff -u -u -r1.36 article.sgml > --- en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml 15 Jan 2005 02:16:42 -0000 1.36 > +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml 8 May 2005 10:11:30 -0000 > @@ -107,6 +107,20 @@ > software (mainly ports, but also externally maintained base > system components such as BIND or various GNU > utilities). > + For unmaintained ports (MAINTAINER contains > + ports@FreeBSD.org), such update notifications > + might get picked up by an interested > + committer, or you might be asked to provide a patch to update > + the port; providing it upfront will greatly improve your chances > + that the port will get updated in a timely manner. > + If the port is maintained, PRs announcing new upstream releases > + are usually not very useful since they generate supplementary work > + for the commiters, and the maintainer likely knows already there's > + a new version, they have probably worked with the developers on it, > + they're probably testing to see there's no regression, etc. > + In either case, following the process described in + url="&url.books.porters-handbook;/port-upgrading.html">Porter's > + Handbook will yield the best results. > > I'd say it better that my original and should be committed. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 8 20:10:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A2C16A4E9 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:10:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EA343D8B for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:10:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48KA7tQ053267 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:10:07 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j48KA7LH053266; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:10:07 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 20:10:07 GMT Message-Id: <200505082010.j48KA7LH053266@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu Subject: Re: docs/80681: articles/problem-reports: don't tell people they should sumbit a PR each time they see an outdated port X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:10:07 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/80681; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Roman Neuhauser Cc: David Adam , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD gnats submit , pav@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/80681: articles/problem-reports: don't tell people they should sumbit a PR each time they see an outdated port Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 23:03:04 +0300 On Sun, 8 May 2005 12:17:08 +0200 Roman Neuhauser wrote: > # itetcu@people.tecnik93.com / 2005-05-07 12:22:26 +0300: > > The only reason for "outdated announce" PR is that maybe someday someone > > other that a commiter (as a commiter is busy enough) will start looking > > in the PR database for something to do; now we all know how interested > > is the mythical Someone to do just that. IMO the practical value of this > > PR equals zero (even less since they generate supplementary work for the > > commiters - and the typical wait time for a non-commiter maintainer > > update is about a week this days). > > > > Now if the port is maintained, to have a PR announcing you there's a new > > version is usually frustrating: you know there's a new version, you > > probably have worked with the developer on it, you're probably testing > > to see there's no regression, etc. So this kind of PRs do the same good > > as a simple email (which can be useful if you maintain a large number of > > ports or for the ports that are updated rarely - I use a monthly cron > > job to remind me of them). > > I used the above text as a base for this patch; I haven't tested > it compiles. > > Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.36 > diff -u -u -r1.36 article.sgml > --- en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml 15 Jan 2005 02:16:42 -0000 1.36 > +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.sgml 8 May 2005 10:11:30 -0000 > @@ -107,6 +107,20 @@ > software (mainly ports, but also externally maintained base > system components such as BIND or various GNU > utilities). > + For unmaintained ports (MAINTAINER contains > + ports@FreeBSD.org), such update notifications > + might get picked up by an interested > + committer, or you might be asked to provide a patch to update > + the port; providing it upfront will greatly improve your chances > + that the port will get updated in a timely manner. > + If the port is maintained, PRs announcing new upstream releases > + are usually not very useful since they generate supplementary work > + for the commiters, and the maintainer likely knows already there's > + a new version, they have probably worked with the developers on it, > + they're probably testing to see there's no regression, etc. > + In either case, following the process described in + url="&url.books.porters-handbook;/port-upgrading.html">Porter's > + Handbook will yield the best results. > > I'd say it better that my original and should be committed. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 8 21:16:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6760216A4E6 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 21:16:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-dav1.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F0E43D9C for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 21:16:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brett-brown@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:16:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.205 by BAY103-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 08 May 2005 21:16:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.205] X-Originating-Email: [brett-brown@msn.com] X-Sender: brett-brown@msn.com From: "Brett Brown" To: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:16:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:16:06 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2005 21:16:10.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[280BC920:01C55413] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: looking for writer to update MATLAB section X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 21:16:10 -0000 Dan, I'm very interested in the docs. I sure could use them to help me get = matlab r14 working on freebsd 5.3 brett From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 8 23:37:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3661B16A4E6; Sun, 8 May 2005 23:37:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2209B43D72; Sun, 8 May 2005 23:37:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 420281CE0F; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:44:18 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20050508234418.GD72943@freebsdmall.com> References: <20050508003321.GI28027@freebsdmall.com> <20050508062926.GA586@gothic.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050508062926.GA586@gothic.blackend.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Integrating 'FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows 2000' flyer X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 23:37:40 -0000 On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 08:29:26AM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > Everything is possible with TeX but requires some knowledge and a lot of > time when it comes to do some DTP works. > I think having, in a first time, an HTML version is a good thing (it > allows translation and easy update). Then if people need a printable > version, a TeX conversion or Scribus one (maybe the best solution) could > be done. The best choice for a printed version would be something using > our toolchain, this leads to a TeX version. However using Scribus may > be easier, and will still allow us to translate and update the content. Yes that would be cool. I think the old design of the PDF was nice, and would be hard to replicate with TeX. If someone can mimic that design with Scribus that would be great. I've personally never used Scribus however. I went ahead and imported the HTML version of the document and did some minor updates: http://www.FreeBSD.org/marketing/os-comparison.html - Murray From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 9 10:20:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040FB16A4E7; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:20:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA9643D98; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:20:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcamou@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jcamou@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49AKQTr093599; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:20:26 GMT (envelope-from jcamou@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jcamou@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j49AKQ1J093595; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:20:26 GMT (envelope-from jcamou) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:20:26 GMT From: "Jesus R. Camou" Message-Id: <200505091020.j49AKQ1J093595@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ezk@cs.sunysb.edu, obrien@FreeBSD.org, jcamou@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, jcamou@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/71739: amd.8 points to old web-page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:20:27 -0000 Synopsis: amd.8 points to old web-page Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jcamou Responsible-Changed-By: jcamou Responsible-Changed-When: Mon May 9 10:19:59 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Take this pr. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=71739 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 9 10:25:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07AD16A4E7 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:25:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 82C5843DB4 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:25:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 12960 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 10:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 9 May 2005 10:18:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 17925 invoked by uid 89); 9 May 2005 10:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (82.76.1.117) by 0 with SMTP; 9 May 2005 10:38:27 -0000 Received: from buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C296149; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:25:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [192.168.0.10]) by buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:25:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4515DFA; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:26:27 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:26:26 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Florian Nigsch Message-ID: <20050509132626.45618d1d@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: on buh by ClamAV using ClamSMTP cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Email addresses in mailinglist archives X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:25:46 -0000 On Sun, 8 May 2005 17:02:55 +0100 Florian Nigsch wrote: > Dear All, > > [I am not subscribed to the list, please CC any replies to me. Thank > you very much.] > > In times of ever and ever more spam, I am really concerned about my > email address being able to be found on the internet in its useable > (not descrambled) form. I just googled for my email address (flo at > nigsch com) and found it several times in the archives of the > freebsd-questions mailinglist (among some other mailinglist archives), > to which I used to contribute some years ago. > > I wanted to ask you if it was possible or if you have any plans, to > convert all the email addresses in the archives in some format that > makes it more difficult for robots to get hold of them? It's not only > my personal interest that I asking for this 1. This is useless as you can verify playing with a few of this "scrambled" addresses, grep and sed. 2. Our lists are archived not only on freebsd.org but by thirds parties over which The FreeBSD Project has no control. Please see for example mail/dspam for a very good way to protect yourself from spam. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 9 11:00:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6304C16A4E9 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:00:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F5643D8A for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:00:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49B0ZwW096495 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:00:35 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j49B0YvU096487 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:00:34 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:00:34 GMT Message-Id: <200505091100.j49B0YvU096487@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:00:35 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/05/24] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () s [2002/03/08] docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc o [2003/12/29] docs/60679 doc pthreads documentation does not describe o [2004/01/20] docs/61605 doc Improve documentation for i386 disk geome o [2004/10/03] docs/72285 doc GCC manuals are out of sync o [2004/10/15] docs/72743 doc Porter's Handbook lacks info on using aut o [2004/10/19] docs/72897 doc ERRATA and RELNOTES are missing warnings o [2005/02/25] docs/78062 doc Sample Echo Pseudo-Device Driver for Free o [2005/02/27] docs/78154 doc [PATCH] Make en_US FreeBSD Handbook more o [2005/03/26] docs/79261 doc exttatr_list_file() wrongly documented in o [2005/04/07] docs/79658 doc Freebsd Handbook incorrect about ATAPI CD o [2005/04/13] docs/79857 doc manpage about ntp is wrong o [2005/05/02] docs/80535 doc Contrary to handbook, filesystem snapshot o [2005/05/04] docs/80611 doc Missing items in supported hardware list 15 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [2000/07/19] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/02/02] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/04/02] docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string s [2001/06/03] docs/27843 doc [PATCH] make.conf WITH_* variables aren't o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/09] docs/33724 doc [patch] fix Handbook error about Advanced o [2002/01/14] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documented behaviour of SF_flags for non- a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/08] docs/35686 doc blackhole(4) page seems to contradict its o [2002/03/08] docs/35687 doc /etc/nsmb.conf missing mention of readers o [2002/03/10] docs/35732 doc adduser(8) page has obsolete reference an o [2002/03/16] docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/ o [2002/03/16] docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wro o [2002/03/28] docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded bo o [2002/03/29] docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailin s [2002/05/07] docs/37843 doc manual for pthread_setschedparam is wrong o [2002/05/25] docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to exist o [2002/05/27] docs/38620 doc Committers Guide and CVS o [2002/05/31] docs/38772 doc firewall_type feature not mentioned on Ha o [2002/06/07] docs/38982 doc developers-hanbook/Jail fix o [2002/06/13] docs/39213 doc No rc(4) man page o [2002/06/15] docs/39348 doc kenv fetch of hostname requires dhcp/boot o [2002/06/19] docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broa o [2002/06/25] docs/39824 doc Various tweaks for doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo o [2002/07/10] docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to o [2002/07/21] docs/40851 doc [PATCH] "mergemaster -p" in UPDATING's "C o [2002/07/28] docs/41089 doc pax -B option does not mention interactio o [2002/08/02] docs/41270 doc confusing directions for kernelconfig cha o [2002/08/20] docs/41807 doc natd -punch_fw "bug" o [2002/08/20] docs/41820 doc Device driver confusion in Handbook (2.3) a [2002/08/27] docs/42058 doc Documentation: Installing Oracle 8i onto o [2002/10/04] docs/43651 doc stab(5) incorrectly states to include jus o [2002/10/09] docs/43861 doc non-trivial typo in wicontrol man page o [2002/10/11] docs/43941 doc Rationale for Upgrade Sequence o [2002/10/15] docs/44074 doc ln(1) manual clarifications [patch] o [2002/10/29] docs/44594 doc Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for o [2002/12/02] docs/45940 doc burncd missing info o [2002/12/11] docs/46196 doc Missing return value in (set_)menu_format o [2002/12/16] docs/46291 doc correlation between HZ kernel config para o [2002/12/16] docs/46295 doc please add information to Nvi recovery em o [2003/01/28] docs/47575 doc Clarify requirements for IPFW2 in STABLE o [2003/01/28] docs/47594 doc [PATCH] passwd(5) incorrectly states allo f [2003/02/02] docs/47818 doc ln(1) manpage is confusing o [2003/03/06] docs/48980 doc [PATCH] nsgmls -s errors and sect. 3.2.1 o [2003/03/23] docs/50211 doc [PATCH] Fix textfile creation o [2003/04/03] docs/50573 doc return values for res_query/res_search/re o [2003/04/07] docs/50677 doc [PATCH] update doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ o [2003/05/06] docs/51875 doc atkbd(4) adjustment o [2003/05/06] docs/51891 doc DIAGNOSTICS in ed driver manpage don't ma o [2003/05/07] docs/51921 doc ls(1) manpage lacks some information abou o [2003/05/11] docs/52071 doc [PATCH] Add more information about soft u o [2003/05/25] docs/52672 doc Porter's Handbook: couple of corrections o [2003/06/21] docs/53575 doc Change to Handbook Section 20.9 o [2003/06/21] docs/53596 doc Updates to mt manual page o [2003/06/25] docs/53732 doc quota output and man page do not document o [2003/07/13] docs/54451 doc [patch] i386_{get|set}_ldt manual page is o [2003/07/26] docs/54879 doc man 1 jot, -r description o [2003/08/12] docs/55482 doc DUMP has access to block devices in a JAI o [2003/09/24] docs/57153 doc S_IRWXU missing in fstat(2) man page? o [2003/09/30] docs/57388 doc INSTALL.TXT enhancement: mention ok promp o [2003/10/04] docs/57569 doc error on gensetdefs(8) man page o [2003/10/13] docs/57926 doc amd.conf.5 poorly format as it has both m o [2003/10/13] docs/57974 doc man page apropos for select macros (FD_SE o [2003/10/13] docs/57978 doc Type miss of GPIB in Hardware Notes o [2003/10/16] docs/58111 doc Handbook 12.4.3 Rebuilding ATA RAID1 Arra o [2003/10/28] docs/58615 doc update for Vinum chapter of Handbook: des o [2003/10/30] docs/58710 doc killpg(2) contains an error regarding sen o [2003/11/07] docs/59044 doc doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a o [2003/11/19] docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.fr o [2003/11/24] docs/59649 doc Outdated 4.4BSD Documents at http://docs. o [2003/11/30] docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about acce o [2003/12/23] docs/60529 doc resolver(5) man page is badly out of date o [2003/12/24] docs/60544 doc getenv(3) manpage doesn't state the retur o [2004/01/08] docs/61070 doc handbook: Installation docs misleading: o [2004/01/13] docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enabl o [2004/01/21] docs/61667 doc Obsolete documentation on FreeBSD PnP o [2004/01/25] docs/61859 doc Incorrect informaiton about trace command o [2004/02/05] docs/62402 doc easily circumventable Blade150 problem o [2004/02/06] docs/62412 doc one of the diskless boot methods describe o [2004/02/12] docs/62719 doc cross-reference pccardd and devd o [2004/02/12] docs/62724 doc host(1) manpage does not include informat o [2004/02/22] docs/63215 doc Wrong prototypes in mi_switch(9) (ref doc o [2004/03/27] docs/64807 doc Handbook section on NAT incomplete o [2004/04/02] docs/65065 doc improper language ntpd man pages o [2004/04/13] docs/65477 doc Installation Instruction fail to mention o [2004/04/14] docs/65530 doc minor improvement to getgrent.3 o [2004/04/26] docs/65988 doc incorrect references to ppp.conf in handb o [2004/04/29] docs/66091 doc ppp(8) docs out-of-date for -CURRENT o [2004/05/04] docs/66264 doc [patch] libexec/rtld/rtld.1 typo fixes no o [2004/05/04] docs/66265 doc [patch] Document what -f and LD_TRACE_LOA o [2004/05/05] docs/66296 doc [patch] contrib/amd/amq/amq.8 uses log_op o [2004/05/07] docs/66343 doc unlisted supported card on man page for w o [2004/05/09] docs/66426 doc handbook update (desktop section): web br o [2004/05/10] docs/66483 doc [patch] share/man/man4/csa.4 grammar nits o [2004/05/17] docs/66768 doc 4_RELENG share/man/man4/ng_one2many.4 MFC o [2004/05/17] docs/66770 doc [patch] share/man/man4/ng_pppoe.4 tyops, o [2004/05/23] docs/67078 doc [patch] MFC of a rtld(1) man page is inco f [2004/06/10] docs/67806 doc [patch] Let 5.x users know how to boot in o [2004/06/13] docs/67893 doc boot.8's -m description is insufficient. o [2004/06/28] docs/68453 doc [patch] rc.subr.8 o [2004/07/02] docs/68606 doc Porter's Handbook: document how to write o [2004/07/09] docs/68843 doc Dates on rc.subr(8) & rc(8) are whack. o [2004/07/09] docs/68845 doc The .At macro produces unexpected results o [2004/07/19] docs/69271 doc Porter's Handbook: hint on proper pkg-mes o [2004/07/21] docs/69383 doc disklabel = bsdlabel in 5.X or later o [2004/08/01] docs/69861 doc [patch] usr.bin/csplit/csplit.1 does not o [2004/08/09] docs/70217 doc Suggested rewrite of docproj/sgml.sgml o [2004/08/16] docs/70507 doc RE in BUG section of re_format(7) in obso o [2004/09/10] docs/71555 doc how to run matlab on 5.2 o [2004/09/16] docs/71782 doc mount_nfs man page is a bit out of date f [2004/09/21] docs/71980 doc Handbook says that no other software is k o [2004/10/06] docs/72383 doc manpage for awk(1) is terribly small and o [2004/11/06] docs/73583 doc [patch] add missing instructions to ndis( o [2004/11/07] docs/73638 doc ipfw(8): Clarify syntax for use of tables o [2004/11/08] docs/73679 doc FreeBSD 5.3 Release notes mention new nat o [2004/11/28] docs/74477 doc [patch] Correct several links in the cont o [2004/12/02] docs/74612 doc Updates to the glossary o [2004/12/14] docs/75068 doc login.conf(5) manual page says nothing ab o [2004/12/28] docs/75577 doc typos in man3 manual pages, login_class.3 o [2004/12/29] docs/75610 doc Advanced Networking Wireless section clea o [2005/01/05] docs/75864 doc FreeBSD 5.3 kern-developer install does n o [2005/01/05] docs/75865 doc comments on "backup-basics" in handbook o [2005/01/09] docs/75997 doc Handbook section on DNS needs updating o [2005/01/11] docs/76094 doc Incorrect statement about partition d o [2005/01/17] docs/76333 doc EOF indicator can be cleared by not only o [2005/01/20] docs/76515 doc missleading use of make -j flag in handbo o [2005/02/04] docs/77087 doc The bootvinum script given in the handboo o [2005/02/24] docs/78041 doc docs for md need further explanation of t o [2005/02/27] docs/78138 doc Error in pre-installation section of inst o [2005/03/01] docs/78240 doc Replace with around a # o [2005/03/02] docs/78275 doc Keyword size needs to be changed to lengt o [2005/03/06] docs/78479 doc SO_NOSIGPIPE socket option undocumented o [2005/03/06] docs/78480 doc Networked printer setup unnecessarily com o [2005/03/07] docs/78520 doc error in man(5) lpd.conf, lpd.perms pages o [2005/03/16] docs/78915 doc rfork()'s RFTHREAD is not documented o [2005/03/23] docs/79156 doc buffersize knob for sound(4) is a tunable o [2005/03/28] docs/79298 doc intro(2) man page has incorrect descripti o [2005/03/28] docs/79309 doc Mistake in Porter's Handbook, Chapter 14. o [2005/03/28] docs/79318 doc Example in archive_read man page is incor o [2005/04/13] docs/79877 doc 'command' command is missing in builtin(1 o [2005/04/18] docs/80070 doc [patch] Wrong dbm_close return value desc o [2005/04/20] i386/80159 doc rtld(1) mentions "%m" but it's not implem o [2005/04/21] docs/80186 doc Footnote is wrong in the /usr/src/UPDATIN o [2005/05/02] docs/80533 doc filesystem snapshots are not "frozen" o [2005/05/06] docs/80681 doc articles/problem-reports: don't tell peop 156 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 9 12:57:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D493416A4E7; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:57:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from filer.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu (filer.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.126.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C7A43D5F; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:57:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ezk@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu) Received: from agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu (agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.126.12])j49CvgcP027700; Mon, 9 May 2005 08:57:42 -0400 Received: from agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) j49CvgWv029631; Mon, 9 May 2005 08:57:42 -0400 Received: (from ezk@localhost) by agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu (8.13.1/8.12.8/Submit) id j49CvfrV029628; Mon, 9 May 2005 08:57:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:57:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200505091257.j49CvfrV029628@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu> From: Erez Zadok To: "Jesus R. Camou" In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 May 2005 10:20:26 GMT." <200505091020.j49AKQ1J093595@freefall.freebsd.org> X-MailKey: Erez_Zadok cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: ezk@cs.sunysb.edu cc: obrien@freebsd.org cc: am-utils@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: docs/71739: amd.8 points to old web-page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:57:49 -0000 In message <20050509105730.GI17548@opensea.mephis.org>, "Jesus R. Camou" writes: > > --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > > Hi, > > I just noticed this PR (docs/71739), I don't know why > hasn't anyone worked on this. How about the following > patch? > > Thanks! > > -- > Jesus R. Camou - jcamou@FreeBSD.org > > > --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="amd.8.diff" > > Index: amd.8 > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/amd/amd/amd.8,v > retrieving revision 1.19 > diff -u -r1.19 amd.8 > --- amd.8 6 Jul 2004 13:16:44 -0000 1.19 > +++ amd.8 9 May 2005 10:51:10 -0000 > @@ -330,12 +330,12 @@ > .%T Amd \- The 4.4 BSD Automounter > .Re > .Pp > -.Pa http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~ezk/am-utils/ > +.Pa http://www.am-utils.org/ > .Sh AUTHORS > .An Jan-Simon Pendry Aq jsp@doc.ic.ac.uk , > Department of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK. > .Pp > -.An Erez Zadok Aq ezk@cs.columbia.edu , > +.An Erez Zadok Aq ezk@am-utils.org , > Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, > New York, USA. > .Pp > > --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50-- Thanks, but this has been fixed a long time ago already. You're probably using an older am-utils release. You can safely close this PR. BTW, if there are any more freebsd PRs on am-utils/amd, I'd like to know ASAP. We're very near to releasing the long-overdue am-utils-6.1 (RC2 goes out today). Cheers, Erez. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 9 15:49:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF1416A4E8; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:49:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E2543D86; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:49:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (eugen@localhost [127.0.0.1]) j49FnU46040106; Mon, 9 May 2005 23:49:30 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j49FnUbC040105; Mon, 9 May 2005 23:49:30 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:49:30 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein To: bug-followup@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050509154930.GA40037@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: ipfw@freebsd.org cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/59835: ipfw(8) man page does not warn about accepted but meaningless rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:49:32 -0000 Hi! The problem is still here for 5.4-STABLE: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=docs/59835 Eugene Grosbein From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 9 15:50:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4883916A4E8 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:50:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1779C43D5A for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:50:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49FoJVx041460 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:50:19 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j49FoJLk041450; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:50:19 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:50:19 GMT Message-Id: <200505091550.j49FoJLk041450@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Eugene Grosbein Subject: Re: docs/59835: ipfw(8) man page does not warn about accepted but meaningless rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eugene Grosbein List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:50:20 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/59835; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Eugene Grosbein To: bug-followup@freebsd.org Cc: ipfw@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/59835: ipfw(8) man page does not warn about accepted but meaningless rules Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:49:30 +0800 Hi! The problem is still here for 5.4-STABLE: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=docs/59835 Eugene Grosbein From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 9 21:22:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA08816A4F2 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 21:22:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806B143D79 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 21:22:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phoffman@proper.com) Received: from [10.20.30.249] (dsl2-63-249-92-231.cruzio.com [63.249.92.231]) (authenticated bits=0) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j49LMGRD003020 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 14:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phoffman@proper.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:22:14 -0700 To: doc@FreeBSD.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: carp man page not available on the FreeBDS web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 21:22:17 -0000 Hi again. Minor glitch. The i386 relnotes for 5.4 say: The Common Address Redundancy Protocol (CARP) has been implemented. CARP comes from OpenBSD and allows multiple hosts to share an IP address, providing high availability and load balancing. For more information, see the carp(4) manual page. The link for finding the carp man pages returns "Sorry, no data found for `carp(4)'." From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 10 02:20:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2774916A4EC for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 02:20:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E416943D66 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 02:20:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4A2K2UX025821 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 02:20:02 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j4A2K2LQ025820; Tue, 10 May 2005 02:20:02 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 02:20:02 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200505100220.j4A2K2LQ025820@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Harry Coin Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAE316A4EB for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 02:13:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E9843D60 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 02:13:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4A2DuqB013043 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 02:13:56 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j4A2DujJ013042; Tue, 10 May 2005 02:13:56 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200505100213.j4A2DujJ013042@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 02:13:56 GMT From: Harry Coin To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/80843: Suggested doc fix for psm0 / handle driver load failure on some KVM's. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 02:20:03 -0000 >Number: 80843 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Suggested doc fix for psm0 / handle driver load failure on some KVM's. >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 10 02:20:02 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Harry Coin >Release: 5.4 RC3 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: psm0, the PS/2 mouse driver, failed to load under all current versions of 5.4, but had no problem on the same box on 5.3. Research showed that the KBD_RESETDELAY kernel option was too small to allow mice connected via a KVM (keyboard, mouse and monitor shared among several system boxes) to reset via the aux port on the atkbd driver. The doc change below shows how KVM users can cause psm0 to load under 5.4. 1) I notice that the psm0 documentation actually documents options that actually only are referenced in the atkbdc driver, and are not used in the psm driver at all, except via a prodcedure call. That can't be good. 2) I agree it would be well to make the KBD_RESETDELAY option something folks can tune from the command line, over against having to compile and install a separate kernel. 3) It would be even better to have the KBD reset delay automagically increase by 50% each pass through a failed reset attempt and have debug writes noting it. Even three or four times through the loop wouldn't cause a meaningful boot time delay, and the change wouldn't affect existing users at all. HTH Harry >How-To-Repeat: Just boot. Happens every time with the generic 5.4 kernel and Dlink KVM. >Fix: --- psm.4 Mon May 9 21:03:15 2005 +++ psm.4.new Mon May 9 20:57:40 2005 @@ -207,7 +207,14 @@ .Nm driver will attempt to reset the pointing device during the boot process. It sometimes takes a long while before the device will respond after -reset. +reset. The driver will wait KBD_RESETDELAY msec for the aux device attached to the keyboard controller hosting the PS/2 port to respond per reset attempt. It will make KDB_MAXWAIT reset attempts before failing. +The default for KBD_RESETDELAY of about 200 is enough for most direcly connected pointing devices. If you are using a device such as a KVM +to share a mouse and perhaps keyboard and montior among more than one system box, or if your pointing +device takes longer than the default to reset, then the driver will not load even though bootup indications indicate the ps/2 pointing device is present. In these cases putting +.Pp +.Cd "options KBD_RESETDELAY=401" +.Pp +in a custom kernel configuration has been helpful. Later versions may make this a tunable system setting to avoid the need to compile a custom kernel. These options control how long the driver should wait before it eventually gives up waiting. The driver will wait @@ -740,7 +747,8 @@ The second line shows the result of the keyboard controller's test on the auxiliary port interface, with zero indicating no error; note that some controllers report no error even if -the port does not exist in the system, however. +the port does not exist in the system, however. If the driver doesn't load but you think the hardware +is working, read the information about the KBD_RESETDELAY option above. .Pp The third through fifth lines show the reset status of the pointing device. The functioning device should return the sequence of FA AA . >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 10 02:31:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6042816A4EB for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 02:31:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from warrior.denigrate.org (denigrate.org [66.195.241.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186D943D69 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 02:31:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anthony@warrior.denigrate.org) Received: by warrior.denigrate.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B83FE617C; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:47:17 -0400 (EDT) To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20050510144717.B83FE617C@warrior.denigrate.org> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:47:17 -0400 (EDT) From: anthony@warrior.denigrate.org (Anthony Chan) Subject: Proposing IRC help channel X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 02:31:14 -0000 Good day, I'm not sure if im addressing this to the appropriate party. This is the contact that shows up on http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/support.html#IRC -- Anyhow, I own #FreeBSDHelp on DALnet, we offer help and support on the operating system. Right now we have a decent amount of traffic and a decent amount of good, well experienced helpers. I was wondering if it was possible to add us or better yet, the channel name on the site, this way we can offer help to more users. We also own www.FreeBSDHelp.net which is currently in development. If you can spread the name in anyway what-so-ever it would be highly appreciated, please send a response as soon as possible. Thank you Anthony Chan System Admin HostDime From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 10 05:11:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A9716A4EE for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:11:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A70A43D39 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:11:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brett@brettschroeder.name) Received: from anapurna.brettschroeder.name (c-24-20-125-129.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.20.125.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005051005111101400ecdtme>; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:11:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (K2 [192.168.0.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (verified OK)) by Anapurna.brettschroeder.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233DC6149; Mon, 9 May 2005 22:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42804274.4050002@brettschroeder.name> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 22:11:16 -0700 From: Brett Schroeder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050326) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: brett@brettschroeder.name Subject: OpenSSL: Handbook says "send *private* key to CA" ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 05:11:12 -0000 Hi In section 14.9.1 "Generating Certificates" of the OpenSSL security sub-chapter, the following command is used to generate a private key and certificate signing request of the public key # openssl req -new -nodes -out req.pem -keyout cert.pem Generating a 1024 bit RSA private key ................++++++ .......................................++++++ writing new private key to 'cert.pem' >>>>>>>>>> cut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then a few lines later the text says "A cert.pem file should now exist in the directory which the aforementioned command was issued. This is the certificate which may be sent to any CA for signing." >From the "openssl req" man page -keyout filename this gives the filename to write the newly created private key to. If this option is not specified then the filename present in the configuration file is used. It seems to me that the handbook is suggesting you send your *private* key to a Certificate Authority. This would immediately make the private key useless and compromise the security of whatever you were trying to protect. The paragraph in question should rather read something like this "A req.pem file should now exist in the directory in which the aforementioned command was issued. This is the certificate which may be sent to any CA for signing. The other file, cert.pem, is your private key and should be protected at all costs - it is, after all, your private key. If somebody else had your private key they could decrypt all your communications. This file should be owned and readable by root only." Thoughts? 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Mah" To: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-v2whdLUTH6ZqsaUfUE3+" Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 22:49:32 -0700 Message-Id: <1115704172.15508.42.camel@tomcat.kitchenlab.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port cc: bmah@freebsd.org cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: carp man page not available on the FreeBDS web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 05:49:36 -0000 --=-v2whdLUTH6ZqsaUfUE3+ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Hi again. Minor glitch. The i386 relnotes for 5.4 say: >=20 > The Common Address Redundancy Protocol (CARP) has been implemented.=20 > CARP comes from OpenBSD and allows multiple hosts to share an IP=20 > address, providing high availability and load balancing. For more=20 > information, see the carp(4) manual page. >=20 > The link for finding the carp man pages returns "Sorry, no data found=20 > for `carp(4)'." Urk. This is actually a fairly big deal since none of the manpage hyperlinks for 5.4 worked. :-( I hacked around the problem for now so that these links should work (except possibly for links to the OpenSSL manpages), but someone on doceng@ really should check the changes I made on www.freebsd.org to be sure I didn't mess something up, and then implement the correct fix according to the normal release engineering procedures. I'll post privately to doceng@ and re@ the two changes I made. (They are not particularly sensitive, but the information is only useful to a handful of people.) 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Sincerely, Jason Desmangles eNMarketing Co. / TrustyHound web search http://www.trustyhound.com From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 09:30:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE27516A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:30:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BC743D5A for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:30:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])j4B9SqIE004449; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:28:53 +0300 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) j4B9UMO4005476; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:30:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost)j4B9UMBf005475; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:30:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:30:22 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Anthony Chan Message-ID: <20050511093021.GB5245@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20050510144717.B83FE617C@warrior.denigrate.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050510144717.B83FE617C@warrior.denigrate.org> cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposing IRC help channel X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:30:26 -0000 Since nobody else has replied to this already... On 2005-05-10 10:47, Anthony Chan wrote: > Good day, > I'm not sure if im addressing this to the appropriate party. > This is the contact that shows up on > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/support.html#IRC Right. Yes, you did sent this to the right place :-) > Anyhow, I own #FreeBSDHelp on DALnet, we offer help and support on the > operating system. There is usually no good way to verify this, so we have to take your word for it. > Right now we have a decent amount of traffic and a decent amount of > good, well experienced helpers. I was wondering if it was possible to > add us or better yet, the channel name on the site, this way we can > offer help to more users. We also own www.FreeBSDHelp.net which is > currently in development. If you can spread the name in anyway > what-so-ever it would be highly appreciated, please send a response as > soon as possible. Would an entry like this be ok? % Index: book.sgml % =================================================================== % RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v % retrieving revision 1.701 % diff -u -r1.701 book.sgml % --- book.sgml 1 Apr 2005 18:51:35 -0000 1.701 % +++ book.sgml 11 May 2005 09:28:22 -0000 % @@ -1052,6 +1052,16 @@ % % % % + Channel #FreeBSDHelp on % + DALNET % + is available at irc.dal.net in the % + US and irc.eu.dal.net in Europe. % + The channel owners also have a web page with useful % + information about the channel and &os;, available at % + . % + % + % + % Channel #FreeBSD on % UNDERNET % is available at us.undernet.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 09:50:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694F416A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:50:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFA843D46 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:50:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4B9o8QH045627 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:50:08 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j4B9o8BF045625; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:50:08 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:50:08 GMT Message-Id: <200505110950.j4B9o8BF045625@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/80871: terminfo(5) man page source corrupted X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:50:08 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/80871; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Warren Block , Peter Wemm Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/80871: terminfo(5) man page source corrupted Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:49:02 +0300 On 2005-05-10 18:48, Warren Block wrote: > Man page source for terminfo(5) (/usr/share/man/man5/terminfo.5.gz) is > corrupt. Looks to be missing table formatting elements like T{ > starting around line 155 in the boolean capabilities table. The following diff fixes most of the table related warnings of terminfo.5, but the file is still on the vendor branch, so I won't commit anything to it until I get approval from Peter, who seems to have done most of the commits in the area. Peter, does this look ok? Should we commit it or is it better to send a notice to Tom Dickey instead, to see if this is already fixed in his source tree? %%% Index: contrib/ncurses/man/terminfo.tail =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/ncurses/man/terminfo.tail,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.4 diff -u -r1.1.1.4 terminfo.tail --- contrib/ncurses/man/terminfo.tail 21 May 2002 05:27:40 -0000 1.1.1.4 +++ contrib/ncurses/man/terminfo.tail 11 May 2005 09:41:58 -0000 @@ -1079,8 +1079,8 @@ .PP .TS H center expand; -c l l c -c l l c +c l l c c l +c l l c c l lw28 lw6 lw2 lw20. .\".TH \fBGlyph ACS Ascii VT100\fR %%% Note: In nroff mode, the terminal width is too short to fit the table and there are still far too many annoying warnings about lines that cannot be broken: orion:/tmp/ti$ nroff -man terminfo.5 >/dev/null terminfo.5:185: warning [p 2, 8.5i]: can't break line terminfo.5:209: warning [p 3, 1.3i]: can't break line terminfo.5:470: warning [p 6, 5.2i]: can't break line terminfo.5:482: warning [p 6, 7.0i]: can't break line terminfo.5:736: warning [p 9, 10.3i]: can't break line terminfo.5:748: warning [p 10, 0.7i]: can't break line terminfo.5:750: warning [p 10, 1.0i]: can't break line terminfo.5:752: warning [p 10, 1.3i]: can't break line terminfo.5:770: warning [p 10, 3.7i]: can't break line terminfo.5:772: warning [p 10, 4.0i]: can't break line terminfo.5:790: warning [p 10, 6.3i]: can't break line terminfo.5:804: warning [p 10, 8.2i]: can't break line terminfo.5:812: warning [p 10, 9.2i]: can't break line terminfo.5:814: warning [p 10, 9.5i]: can't break line terminfo.5:828: warning [p 11, 0.2i]: can't break line terminfo.5:1072: warning [p 14, 3.8i]: can't break line terminfo.5:1078: warning [p 14, 4.8i]: can't break line terminfo.5:1080: warning [p 14, 5.2i]: can't break line terminfo.5:1084: warning [p 14, 5.8i]: can't break line terminfo.5:1094: warning [p 14, 7.3i]: can't break line terminfo.5:1098: warning [p 14, 8.0i]: can't break line terminfo.5:1100: warning [p 14, 8.3i]: can't break line terminfo.5:1118: warning [p 15, 0.2i]: can't break line orion:/tmp/ti$ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 11:44:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0AD16A4D1 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:44:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016C243D69 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:44:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from subhro.kar@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so75715rnf for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:44:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=XVNlsdDniiXJVQA/TLKAJpXjCfyPty8odn4cbJK2udGFsaZZfLmjMMlONh+HWeN9y7CEdWcqdjq/ixcAahksO3/QwgicNqXqTvWcdnnZwVe/XgobOgibWdnnmfEouoeY9lYAhSibhV1rqiKSnSpg4iR3nTLukgJhPXP4H+tYbJg= Received: by 10.38.150.24 with SMTP id x24mr392718rnd; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?59.93.160.192? ([59.93.160.192]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 71sm70984rna.2005.05.11.04.44.28; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4281F016.4050902@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:14:22 +0530 From: Subhro Organization: Indian Institute of Information Technology User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <20050510144717.B83FE617C@warrior.denigrate.org> <20050511093021.GB5245@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> In-Reply-To: <20050511093021.GB5245@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070802080007080703000304" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: Anthony Chan cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposing IRC help channel X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:44:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070802080007080703000304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5/11/2005 15:00, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >Since nobody else has replied to this already... > >On 2005-05-10 10:47, Anthony Chan wrote: > > >>Good day, >>I'm not sure if im addressing this to the appropriate party. >>This is the contact that shows up on >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/support.html#IRC >> >> > >Right. Yes, you did sent this to the right place :-) > > > >>Anyhow, I own #FreeBSDHelp on DALnet, we offer help and support on the >>operating system. >> >> > >There is usually no good way to verify this, so we have to take your >word for it. > > > >>Right now we have a decent amount of traffic and a decent amount of >>good, well experienced helpers. I was wondering if it was possible to >>add us or better yet, the channel name on the site, this way we can >>offer help to more users. We also own www.FreeBSDHelp.net which is >>currently in development. If you can spread the name in anyway >>what-so-ever it would be highly appreciated, please send a response as >>soon as possible. >> >> > >Would an entry like this be ok? > >% Index: book.sgml >% =================================================================== >% RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v >% retrieving revision 1.701 >% diff -u -r1.701 book.sgml >% --- book.sgml 1 Apr 2005 18:51:35 -0000 1.701 >% +++ book.sgml 11 May 2005 09:28:22 -0000 >% @@ -1052,6 +1052,16 @@ >% >% >% >% + Channel #FreeBSDHelp on >% + DALNET >% + is available at irc.dal.net in the >% + US and irc.eu.dal.net in Europe. >% + The channel owners also have a web page with useful >% + information about the channel and &os;, available at >% + . >% + >% + >% + >% Channel #FreeBSD on >% UNDERNET >% is available at us.undernet.org > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-doc@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-doc >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-doc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Looks ok :) Regards S. --------------070802080007080703000304-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 15:11:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D8F16A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:11:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8365E43D45 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:11:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])j4BFAGU7007637; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:10:16 +0300 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) j4BFBkq3032137; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:11:46 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)j4BFBhnf032077; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:11:43 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:11:43 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Subhro Message-ID: <20050511151143.GB13486@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20050510144717.B83FE617C@warrior.denigrate.org> <20050511093021.GB5245@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <4281F016.4050902@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4281F016.4050902@gmail.com> cc: Anthony Chan cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposing IRC help channel X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:11:50 -0000 On 2005-05-11 17:14, Subhro wrote: > On 5/11/2005 15:00, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >Would an entry like this be ok? > > > >% Index: book.sgml > >%[skip diff] > > Looks ok :) Great, if Anthony Chan likes it too, I'll commit it then. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 17:41:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BA516A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 17:41:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 82-168-79-254-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl (82-168-75-155-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl [82.168.75.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D2E43D5E for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 17:41:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rene@82-168-79-254-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl) Received: from 82-168-79-254-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j4BHfNk1097666; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:41:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rene@82-168-79-254-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl) Received: (from rene@localhost)j4BHfNta097665; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:41:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rene) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:41:22 +0200 From: Rene Ladan To: Warren Block , doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050511174122.GA97576@82-168-79-254-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl> References: <200505110048.j4B0mBxH026257@speedy.wonkity.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200505110048.j4B0mBxH026257@speedy.wonkity.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: docs/80871: terminfo(5) man page source corrupted X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:41:27 -0000 --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 06:48:11PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > [snip pr headers] >=20 > Man page source for terminfo(5) (/usr/share/man/man5/terminfo.5.gz) is co= rrupt. Looks to be=20 > missing table formatting elements like T{ starting around line 155 in the= boolean capabilities=20 > table. >=20 > >How-To-Repeat: >=20 > man 5 terminfo >=20 > /usr/bin/tbl will produce errors before the man page is displayed: >=20 > /usr/bin/tbl::159: excess data entry `-' discarded > /usr/bin/tbl::159: excess data entry `-' discarded > ... The weekly man-page reformatting cron job produced a list of no less than 2384 errors for last week's run (5.4-STABLE, May 2nd). This means there is a lot left to fix. Regards, Rene --=20 "It won't fit on the line." -- me, 2001 --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCgkPCvz70qa4zXcwRAijTAJ4lgKFY2uSt3lavdfltau/DRpCrfgCfUZgI e01hC5tm+xQnMVrJE/AMNc8= =H9ao -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 19:07:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31E416A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:07:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69AB43D75 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:07:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@eddie.nitro.dk) Received: by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5E80F119C4D; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:07:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:07:48 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Rene Ladan Message-ID: <20050511190747.GB78136@eddie.nitro.dk> References: <200505110048.j4B0mBxH026257@speedy.wonkity.com> <20050511174122.GA97576@82-168-79-254-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050511174122.GA97576@82-168-79-254-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/80871: terminfo(5) man page source corrupted X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:07:50 -0000 --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.05.11 19:41:22 +0200, Rene Ladan wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 06:48:11PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > > > [snip pr headers] > >=20 > > Man page source for terminfo(5) (/usr/share/man/man5/terminfo.5.gz) is = corrupt. Looks to be=20 > > missing table formatting elements like T{ starting around line 155 in t= he boolean capabilities=20 > > table. > >=20 > > >How-To-Repeat: > >=20 > > man 5 terminfo > >=20 > > /usr/bin/tbl will produce errors before the man page is displayed: > >=20 > > /usr/bin/tbl::159: excess data entry `-' discarded > > /usr/bin/tbl::159: excess data entry `-' discarded > > ... >=20 > The weekly man-page reformatting cron job produced a list of no less > than 2384 errors for last week's run (5.4-STABLE, May 2nd). This means > there is a lot left to fix. Patches can be sent as PR's :-). --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCglgDh9pcDSc1mlERAlpRAKCmuFwKVPGaiC6p1BC5PQrXUW3cqACguZvw bM2YqM4GEqxRiKJl/hUdu54= =6/uH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 20:04:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39B416A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 20:04:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5445F43D5C for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 20:04:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1])j4BK492f066251 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:04:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost)j4BK48pi066250 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:04:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:04:08 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050511200408.GA66139@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: time to un-doc 3.x? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:04:11 -0000 Folks, Is it time yet to de-orbit the 3.X references in the FAQ? Call me daft, but since 4.0 came out in 2000, perhaps we should concentrate on versions released this century? :-) ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ "The cloak of anonymity protects me from the nuisance of caring." - Non Sequiter From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 20:06:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF50116A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 20:06:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from redqueen.evilcoder-services.org (redqueen.evilcoder-services.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5831643D78 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 20:06:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])7BD122954B4; Wed, 11 May 2005 22:06:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from redqueen.evilcoder-services.org ([127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 99834-09; Wed, 11 May 2005 22:06:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <428265B5.8070505@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:06:13 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael W. Lucas" References: <20050511200408.GA66139@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20050511200408.GA66139@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the evilcoder-services.org maildomain cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: time to un-doc 3.x? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:06:15 -0000 Michael W. Lucas wrote: > Folks, > > Is it time yet to de-orbit the 3.X references in the FAQ? > > Call me daft, but since 4.0 came out in 2000, perhaps we should > concentrate on versions released this century? :-) > > ==ml > I agree :-) -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org Founder Tienervaders ** remko@tienervaders.org FreeBSD Documentation Project ** remko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 20:21:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA8616A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 20:21:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A618143D5C for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 20:21:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3A9F914A26; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:21:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:21:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Linimon X-X-Sender: linimon@pancho To: "Michael W. Lucas" In-Reply-To: <20050511200408.GA66139@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: time to un-doc 3.x? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:21:54 -0000 On Wed, 11 May 2005, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > Is it time yet to de-orbit the 3.X references in the FAQ? Yes. It's been on my (and others') todo list for some time. mcl From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 20:24:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CAC16A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 20:24:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAE043D69 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 20:24:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1])j4BKOe2f066705; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:24:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost)j4BKOeZD066704; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:24:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:24:40 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20050511202440.GA66633@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> References: <20050511200408.GA66139@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: time to un-doc 3.x? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:24:43 -0000 On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 03:21:53PM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 2005, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > > > Is it time yet to de-orbit the 3.X references in the FAQ? > > Yes. It's been on my (and others') todo list for some time. > > mcl OK, in that case, I'll knock some of them out. Thanks! ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ "The cloak of anonymity protects me from the nuisance of caring." - Non Sequiter From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 01:11:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E89816A563; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:11:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from titan.kgt.co.jp (titan.kgt.co.jp [210.141.246.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBDE43D75; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:11:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from haro@kgt.co.jp) Received: from navgw.tt.kgt.co.jp (navgw.kgt.co.jp [210.141.246.71]) by titan.kgt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120D9101FF; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:11:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (wbbrown.tt.kgt.co.jp [192.168.15.206]) by navgw.tt.kgt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C866E47711; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:11:28 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:11:22 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050512.101122.133169214.haro@kgt.co.jp> To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org From: haro@kgt.co.jp X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3rc1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Mail archive access trouble? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:11:30 -0000 Hi all, Sorry for the cross-post, but I'm not sure which to send this mail. Access to mail archives through http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/ page seems to be not functioning properly. For excample, the access to the list of e-mails by following URL seems to work: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/cvs-all.html But, access to each e-mail from the above list seems to fail: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=1146904+0+current/cvs-all Can anyone look into the problems, please. Thanks in advance, Haro =----------------------------------------------------------------------- _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| KGT Inc. /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku, Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan Tel: +81-3-3225-0767 Fax: +81-3-3225-0740 Email: haro@kgt.co.jp From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 01:56:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F1116A4CE for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:56:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C05343D81 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:56:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1])j4C1uQ2f068788 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:56:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost)j4C1uQJq068787 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:56:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:56:26 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050512015626.GA68752@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: 3.x/4.x migration FAQs: axe or not? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:56:28 -0000 Before I go and completely delete these FAQs: any reason why we should keep them? They're for upgrading from 3.x to 4.x. At this point, I suspect that our real answer would be "reinstall from 5.4 media and start over." :-) 3.12. I have just upgraded from 3.X to 4.X, and my first boot failed with "bad sector table not supported" 3.13. How do I tell if a drive has bad144 information on it before I try to upgrade to FreeBSD 4.0 and it fails? 3.14. How do I remove bad144 from my pre-4.X system so I can upgrade safely? -- Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ "The cloak of anonymity protects me from the nuisance of caring." - Non Sequiter From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 04:39:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735CB16A4CE for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 04:39:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from redqueen.evilcoder-services.org (redqueen.evilcoder-services.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6DC43D39 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 04:39:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])CCC782954C4; Thu, 12 May 2005 06:39:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from redqueen.evilcoder-services.org ([127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07072-05; Thu, 12 May 2005 06:39:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4282DE0B.4040206@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:39:39 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael W. Lucas" References: <20050512015626.GA68752@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20050512015626.GA68752@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the evilcoder-services.org maildomain cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.x/4.x migration FAQs: axe or not? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 04:39:42 -0000 Michael W. Lucas wrote: > Before I go and completely delete these FAQs: any reason why we should > keep them? They're for upgrading from 3.x to 4.x. At this point, I > suspect that our real answer would be "reinstall from 5.4 media and > start over." :-) > > > 3.12. I have just upgraded from 3.X to 4.X, and my first boot failed with "bad sector table not supported" > > 3.13. How do I tell if a drive has bad144 information on it before I > try to upgrade to FreeBSD 4.0 and it fails? > > 3.14. How do I remove bad144 from my pre-4.X system so I can upgrade > safely? > Well, if we want to have the 3.X era to go away since it has been a long time since it lived :-) we also should nuke the migration guide to 4.X. We can suggest people to install 5.4 (or 4.11 of they'd wish) indeed. If we do not, we might end up in maintaining 3.X documentation for a unknown period of time (which can't actually be good :)). Cheers! -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org Founder Tienervaders ** remko@tienervaders.org FreeBSD Documentation Project ** remko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 18:59:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC6C16A4CE for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:59:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C1943D5F for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:59:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1])j4CIxY2f075412 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:59:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost)j4CIxY7A075411 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:59:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:59:34 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050512185934.GA75352@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Questions to kill in FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:59:36 -0000 Folks, I've just (lightly) read the entire FAQ, and have noticed several questions that IMHO are no longer Frequently Asked. IM(NS)HO, these should be deleted from the FAQ. I got brave and deleted the entry for the SCSI card that hasn't been manufactured for 13 years, but as I found more and more I thought it would make more sense to produce a list and solicit opinions before I tread on somebody's pet question. :-) So, following is a list of NLAFs (No Longer a FAQ) that I think should be either deleted entirely, or severely gutted. The question numbers are against a current FAQ build. I suspect there are more, but these are obvious. Comments? Opinions? ==ml 3.16 -- I believe that the 1024 limit no longer exists on modern FreeBSD? 5.2 -- So, some model of EISA SCSI card has trouble on some model of HP Netserver. This has been in the FAQ for many years, and I suspect it is now irrelevant. It is already useless, because we have no idea what model this would be. :-) 5.9 -- NLAF? 6.1 -- FreeBSD Mall doesn't seem to offer the mentioned "Desktop Edition." (I could lean forward and ask Murray, but Robert is talking at the moment and that would be rude.) 6.2,6.4 -- Metrolink seems to be gone, and XiG doesn't appear to support FreeBSD 6.3 -- The answer seems to be "sorry, no longer available." 9.3 -- NLAF? 9.4 -- NLAF? 16.8 -- NLAF? 18.15 -- NLAF? 18.16 -- If we're axing 3.X in the FAQ, this whole Q&A needs rewriting. I could make a stab at it from a pure grammar/math perspective, but would prefer some input from someone who actually works on the code. :-) -- Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ "The cloak of anonymity protects me from the nuisance of caring." -Non Sequiter From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 19:39:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B80716A4CE for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 19:39:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E61443D73 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 19:39:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1])j4CJd82f075880 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:39:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost)j4CJd8N0075879 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:39:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:39:08 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: FAQ acknowledgements page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:39:09 -0000 So, I'm looking at the acknowledgements page. I have to say, I think it's outdated. Of the people who are named, two of them (jkh and wollman) last committed 4 years ago. Many, many people have contributed since then. pds has been gone for years. I see a few options: a) ignore the acknowledgements page, and enjoy how decrepit it is becoming. This is the default. b) update the acknowledgements page, going through the PR database and the commit log to get a proper list of names. c) update the acknowledgements page by deleting names and writing something along the lines of "hundreds if not thousands of people have contributed to the FAQ over the last ten years, and we thank them all." d) delete the acknowledgements page. Any preferences? I would say, in order: C, D, A, and someone else doing B. ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ "The cloak of anonymity protects me from the nuisance of caring." -Non Sequiter From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 20:52:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5A916A4E4 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 20:52:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C7C43D1F for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 20:52:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 3009 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 20:52:06 -0000 Received: from server.baldwin.cx ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender )AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 12 May 2005 20:52:05 -0000 Received: from [10.50.41.242] (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4CKpp4u067266; Thu, 12 May 2005 16:51:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:39:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505121639.40727.jhb@FreeBSD.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on server.baldwin.cx cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FAQ acknowledgements page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:52:08 -0000 On Thursday 12 May 2005 03:39 pm, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > So, I'm looking at the acknowledgements page. I have to say, I think > it's outdated. > > Of the people who are named, two of them (jkh and wollman) last > committed 4 years ago. Many, many people have contributed since then. > pds has been gone for years. > > I see a few options: > > a) ignore the acknowledgements page, and enjoy how decrepit it is > becoming. This is the default. > > b) update the acknowledgements page, going through the PR database and > the commit log to get a proper list of names. > > c) update the acknowledgements page by deleting names and writing > something along the lines of "hundreds if not thousands of people > have contributed to the FAQ over the last ten years, and we thank > them all." > > d) delete the acknowledgements page. > > Any preferences? I would say, in order: C, D, A, and someone else > doing B. > > ==ml C -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 20:52:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD1916A509 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 20:52:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D149343D53 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 20:52:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 3009 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 20:52:06 -0000 Received: from server.baldwin.cx ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender )AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 12 May 2005 20:52:05 -0000 Received: from [10.50.41.242] (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4CKpp4u067266; Thu, 12 May 2005 16:51:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:39:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505121639.40727.jhb@FreeBSD.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on server.baldwin.cx cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FAQ acknowledgements page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:52:08 -0000 On Thursday 12 May 2005 03:39 pm, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > So, I'm looking at the acknowledgements page. I have to say, I think > it's outdated. > > Of the people who are named, two of them (jkh and wollman) last > committed 4 years ago. Many, many people have contributed since then. > pds has been gone for years. > > I see a few options: > > a) ignore the acknowledgements page, and enjoy how decrepit it is > becoming. This is the default. > > b) update the acknowledgements page, going through the PR database and > the commit log to get a proper list of names. > > c) update the acknowledgements page by deleting names and writing > something along the lines of "hundreds if not thousands of people > have contributed to the FAQ over the last ten years, and we thank > them all." > > d) delete the acknowledgements page. > > Any preferences? I would say, in order: C, D, A, and someone else > doing B. > > ==ml C -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 21:00:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243C016A56F for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:00:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from redqueen.evilcoder-services.org (redqueen.evilcoder-services.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DC643D1D for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:00:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])EABDD2954A1; Thu, 12 May 2005 23:00:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from redqueen.evilcoder-services.org ([127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03664-03; Thu, 12 May 2005 23:00:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4283C3E4.7060208@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:00:20 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael W. Lucas" References: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the evilcoder-services.org maildomain cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ acknowledgements page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:00:24 -0000 Michael W. Lucas wrote: > So, I'm looking at the acknowledgements page. I have to say, I think > it's outdated. > > Of the people who are named, two of them (jkh and wollman) last > committed 4 years ago. Many, many people have contributed since then. > pds has been gone for years. > > I see a few options: > > a) ignore the acknowledgements page, and enjoy how decrepit it is > becoming. This is the default. > > b) update the acknowledgements page, going through the PR database and > the commit log to get a proper list of names. > > c) update the acknowledgements page by deleting names and writing > something along the lines of "hundreds if not thousands of people > have contributed to the FAQ over the last ten years, and we thank > them all." > > d) delete the acknowledgements page. > > Any preferences? I would say, in order: C, D, A, and someone else > doing B. > > ==ml > C: And perhaps something like the Handbook? Welcome to FreeBSD! This handbook covers the installation and day to day use of FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE and FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. This manual is a work in progress and is the work of many individuals. (Hm reminds me that we might need to bump the 5.X-RELEASE stuff) and please do not post to doc@ and freebsd-doc@ :) Cheers -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org Founder Tienervaders ** remko@tienervaders.org FreeBSD Documentation Project ** remko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 21:05:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2F616A4CE; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:05:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251EC43D7F; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:05:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1])j4CL5I2f076815; Thu, 12 May 2005 17:05:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost)j4CL5Id4076814; Thu, 12 May 2005 17:05:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:05:18 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: Remko Lodder Message-ID: <20050512210518.GA76767@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> References: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <4283C3E4.7060208@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4283C3E4.7060208@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ acknowledgements page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:05:19 -0000 On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 11:00:20PM +0200, Remko Lodder wrote: > Michael W. Lucas wrote: > >So, I'm looking at the acknowledgements page. I have to say, I think > >it's outdated. > > > >Of the people who are named, two of them (jkh and wollman) last > >committed 4 years ago. Many, many people have contributed since then. > >pds has been gone for years. > > > >I see a few options: > > > >a) ignore the acknowledgements page, and enjoy how decrepit it is > > becoming. This is the default. > > > >b) update the acknowledgements page, going through the PR database and > > the commit log to get a proper list of names. > > > >c) update the acknowledgements page by deleting names and writing > > something along the lines of "hundreds if not thousands of people > > have contributed to the FAQ over the last ten years, and we thank > > them all." > > > >d) delete the acknowledgements page. > > > >Any preferences? I would say, in order: C, D, A, and someone else > >doing B. > > > >==ml > > > > C: > > And perhaps something like the Handbook? > > Welcome to FreeBSD! This handbook covers the installation and day to day > use of FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE and FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. This manual is a > work in progress and is the work of many individuals. Yes, that's decent text, thanks. > (Hm reminds me that we might need to bump the 5.X-RELEASE stuff) > > and please do not post to doc@ and freebsd-doc@ :) Uh, I just posted to doc@freebsd.org... did it get forwarded somehow? ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ "The cloak of anonymity protects me from the nuisance of caring." -Non Sequiter From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 21:08:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E731116A4CE for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:08:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from redqueen.evilcoder-services.org (redqueen.evilcoder-services.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C4543D81 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:08:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])CB7752954AC; Thu, 12 May 2005 23:08:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from redqueen.evilcoder-services.org ([127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03901-08; Thu, 12 May 2005 23:08:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4283C5C8.6010901@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:08:24 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael W. Lucas" References: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <4283C3E4.7060208@FreeBSD.org> <20050512210518.GA76767@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20050512210518.GA76767@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the evilcoder-services.org maildomain cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ acknowledgements page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:08:27 -0000 Michael W. Lucas wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 11:00:20PM +0200, Remko Lodder wrote: > >> >>C: >> >>And perhaps something like the Handbook? >> >>Welcome to FreeBSD! This handbook covers the installation and day to day >>use of FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE and FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. This manual is a >>work in progress and is the work of many individuals. > > > Yes, that's decent text, thanks. Np. > > >>(Hm reminds me that we might need to bump the 5.X-RELEASE stuff) >> >>and please do not post to doc@ and freebsd-doc@ :) > > > Uh, I just posted to doc@freebsd.org... did it get forwarded somehow? No not you, jhb@ did :) but i didn't want to reply to all emails to save mail :) (and no i am not on a quota :)) Cheers, > > ==ml > -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org Founder Tienervaders ** remko@tienervaders.org FreeBSD Documentation Project ** remko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 21:28:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9064F16A4CE; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:28:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692DE43D66; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:28:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: from tomcat.kitchenlab.org (tomcat.kitchenlab.org [64.142.31.107]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4CLSeRP016826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 12 May 2005 14:28:40 -0700 Received: from tomcat.kitchenlab.org (localhost.kitchenlab.org [127.0.0.1]) by tomcat.kitchenlab.org (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4CLSdrb070224; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by tomcat.kitchenlab.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j4CLSdcc070223; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: tomcat.kitchenlab.org: bmah set sender to bmah@freebsd.org using -f From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: "Michael W. Lucas" In-Reply-To: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> References: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vtZQ1uKfUe7KLIs8+R3N" Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:28:39 -0700 Message-Id: <1115933319.99723.74.camel@tomcat.kitchenlab.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port cc: bmah@freebsd.org cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ acknowledgements page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:28:41 -0000 --=-vtZQ1uKfUe7KLIs8+R3N Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > c) update the acknowledgements page by deleting names and writing > something along the lines of "hundreds if not thousands of people > have contributed to the FAQ over the last ten years, and we thank > them all." C Bruce. --=-vtZQ1uKfUe7KLIs8+R3N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCg8qH2MoxcVugUsMRAhzeAKCKxy/Iiljb9+8XNzK/GOYaNpLT/gCgnZYM 3FYjJtH7FWU64b6nM0+UJt8= =R5SV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vtZQ1uKfUe7KLIs8+R3N-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 00:41:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DB116A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 00:41:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from isis.sigpipe.cz (fw.sigpipe.cz [62.245.70.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C9A43D7D for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 00:41:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neuhauser@sigpipe.cz) Received: by isis.sigpipe.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B8F121F87BED; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:41:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 02:41:52 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: "Michael W. Lucas" Message-ID: <20050513004152.GA30116@isis.sigpipe.cz> References: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050512193908.GA75832@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ acknowledgements page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 00:41:55 -0000 # mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org / 2005-05-12 15:39:08 -0400: > So, I'm looking at the acknowledgements page. I have to say, I think > it's outdated. > > Of the people who are named, two of them (jkh and wollman) last > committed 4 years ago. Many, many people have contributed since then. > pds has been gone for years. > > I see a few options: > > a) ignore the acknowledgements page, and enjoy how decrepit it is > becoming. This is the default. > > b) update the acknowledgements page, going through the PR database and > the commit log to get a proper list of names. > > c) update the acknowledgements page by deleting names and writing > something along the lines of "hundreds if not thousands of people > have contributed to the FAQ over the last ten years, and we thank > them all." > > d) delete the acknowledgements page. merge the names into articles/contributors and delete the acknowledgements page? -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 08:38:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B982416A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:38:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D4143D5F for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:38:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from orac000@internet-mail.org) Received: from web2.messagingengine.com (web2.internal [10.202.2.211]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F12C8DF0A for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 04:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by web2.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id F21CE6B9; Fri, 13 May 2005 04:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1115973508.4307.234048509@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: VW8QByTF7Wz1tYOHoAPL6Hrp6/U8ekYfrThmGBcyTb/g 1115973508 From: "Aluminium Oxide" To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.5 (F2.73; T1.001; A1.64; B3.05; Q3.03) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:08:28 +0930 Subject: 19.4.8 Compile and Install a New Kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:38:32 -0000 Hi, my query is about http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/makeworld.html#AEN28190 Part 19.4.8 : Compile and Install a New Kernel I was just wondering if there was a good reason for there not being a reference to Ch. 8. The last intruction in this section is: "...However, it is recommended that you use the new version of config(8), using a command line like this. # /usr/obj/usr/src/usr.sbin/config/config KERNELNAME " Now I know the hyperlinked config(8) should at least get your notice, but if the paragraph also included, " config needs to be run from the conf subdirectory of the system source. Refer to config(8) for more information." then Ch 19.4.8 would make a lot more sense, because if you're still in /usr/src the above command returns a rather unhelpful error message. I know there's a risk involved if users are spoonfed. I am more concerned with the Handbook's correctness. What do you think? -- Aluminium Oxide orac000@internet-mail.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 18:26:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52AB16A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:26:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B69D43D7F for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:26:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1])j4DIQR2f083499 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:26:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost)j4DIQR1f083498 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:26:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:26:27 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050513182627.GA83476@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> References: <20050512185934.GA75352@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050512185934.GA75352@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: Questions to kill in FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:26:28 -0000 I'll probably interpret silence as tacit acceptance at some point tomorrow. :-) On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 02:59:34PM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > > Folks, > > I've just (lightly) read the entire FAQ, and have noticed several > questions that IMHO are no longer Frequently Asked. > > IM(NS)HO, these should be deleted from the FAQ. > > I got brave and deleted the entry for the SCSI card that hasn't been > manufactured for 13 years, but as I found more and more I thought it > would make more sense to produce a list and solicit opinions before I > tread on somebody's pet question. :-) > > So, following is a list of NLAFs (No Longer a FAQ) that I think should > be either deleted entirely, or severely gutted. The question numbers > are against a current FAQ build. I suspect there are more, but these > are obvious. Comments? Opinions? > > ==ml > > 3.16 -- I believe that the 1024 limit no longer exists on modern FreeBSD? > > 5.2 -- So, some model of EISA SCSI card has trouble on some model of > HP Netserver. This has been in the FAQ for many years, and I > suspect it is now irrelevant. It is already useless, because we have > no idea what model this would be. :-) > > 5.9 -- NLAF? > > 6.1 -- FreeBSD Mall doesn't seem to offer the mentioned "Desktop > Edition." (I could lean forward and ask Murray, but Robert is > talking at the moment and that would be rude.) > > 6.2,6.4 -- Metrolink seems to be gone, and XiG doesn't appear to support FreeBSD > > 6.3 -- The answer seems to be "sorry, no longer available." > > 9.3 -- NLAF? > > 9.4 -- NLAF? > > 16.8 -- NLAF? > > 18.15 -- NLAF? > > 18.16 -- If we're axing 3.X in the FAQ, this whole Q&A needs > rewriting. I could make a stab at it from a pure grammar/math > perspective, but would prefer some input > from someone who actually works on the code. :-) > > -- > Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org > http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > > "The cloak of anonymity protects me from the nuisance of caring." -Non Sequiter > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-doc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-doc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-doc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ "The cloak of anonymity protects me from the nuisance of caring." -Non Sequitur From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 18:41:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAB016A4CE; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:41:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc4-cdif3-6-1-cust116.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.23.41.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B622443D88; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:41:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from mini.private.submonkey.net ([192.168.10.11]) by shrike.submonkey.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1DWf5k-000C3w-JS; Fri, 13 May 2005 19:40:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <42804274.4050002@brettschroeder.name> References: <42804274.4050002@brettschroeder.name> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-3-263493595" Message-Id: <9cfae07f8f5c8f5d261e05f0d7355bdd@submonkey.net> From: Ceri Davies Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:40:46 +0100 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.0.2 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) cc: brett@brettschroeder.name cc: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: OpenSSL: Handbook says "send *private* key to CA" ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:41:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail-3-263493595 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-263493588 --Apple-Mail-2-263493588 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 10 May 2005, at 06:11, Brett Schroeder wrote: > # openssl req -new -nodes -out req.pem -keyout cert.pem > > and then a few lines later the text says > > "A cert.pem file should now exist in the directory which the > aforementioned command was issued. This is the certificate which may be > sent to any CA for signing." > >> From the "openssl req" man page > > -keyout filename > this gives the filename to write the newly created private > key to. > If this option is not specified then the filename present > in the > configuration file is used. > > Thoughts? [Liberal snippage in the above] Hi Brett, You're quite right about this; how do you find the attached diff? Ceri --Apple-Mail-2-263493588 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/octet-stream; x-unix-mode=0644; name="ca.diff" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ca.diff Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/dcvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/security/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.270 diff -u -r1.270 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 27 Apr 2005 23:12:08 -0000 1.270 +++ chapter.sgml 13 May 2005 18:37:57 -0000 @@ -3072,10 +3072,15 @@ are available. A complete list may be obtained by viewing the &man.openssl.1; manual page. - A cert.pem file should now exist in - the directory which the aforementioned command was issued. This - is the certificate which may be sent to any - CA for signing. + Two files should now exist in + the directory in which the aforementioned command was issued. + The certificate request, req.pem, may be + sent to a certificate authority who will validate the credentials + that you entered, sign the request and return the certificate to + you. The second file created will be named cert.pem + and is the private key for the certificate and should be + protected at all costs; if this falls in the hands of others it + can be used to impersonate you (or your server). In cases where a signature from a CA is not required, a self signed certificate can be created. First, --Apple-Mail-2-263493588-- --Apple-Mail-3-263493595 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFChPS2ocfcwTS3JF8RAlesAJsGZkgQzLPoKz7dImCYFy8k6N1IzwCeLRcK XMWqH4MI6SD7B1poTo1Yf0Q= =waJ8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-3-263493595-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 19:14:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA0416A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 19:14:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc4-cdif3-6-1-cust116.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.23.41.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A3643D45 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 19:14:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from mini.private.submonkey.net ([192.168.10.11]) by shrike.submonkey.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1DWfcJ-0001uA-Kh; Fri, 13 May 2005 20:14:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20050512185934.GA75352@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> References: <20050512185934.GA75352@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <68df7addf10e62daeb38b4d2bd2440e7@submonkey.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ceri Davies Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:14:28 +0100 To: "Michael W. Lucas" X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.0.2 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questions to kill in FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:14:39 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12 May 2005, at 19:59, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > 3.16 -- I believe that the 1024 limit no longer exists on modern > FreeBSD? Like the questions says, I was under the impression that this was a BIOS problem, so it's probably not going away. > 5.2 -- So, some model of EISA SCSI card has trouble on some model of > HP Netserver. This has been in the FAQ for many years, and I > suspect it is now irrelevant. It is already useless, because we have > no idea what model this would be. :-) I think it should go. Any of these still in production are either already running FreeBSD or something else, and only still exist because they can't be touched. > 5.9 -- NLAF? Pass. It's been a long time since I've worried about this though. > 6.1 -- FreeBSD Mall doesn't seem to offer the mentioned "Desktop > Edition." (I could lean forward and ask Murray, but Robert is > talking at the moment and that would be rude.) Did he shut up yet? ;^) > 6.2,6.4 -- Metrolink seems to be gone, and XiG doesn't appear to > support FreeBSD We don't support a.out in current any more anyway (or did I dream that?); get rid. > 6.3 -- The answer seems to be "sorry, no longer available." Thankfully. > 9.3 -- NLAF? Now *this* one I do think is due to the fact that it is in the FAQ. > 9.4 -- NLAF? Ditto. > 16.8 -- NLAF? Can go. > 18.15 -- NLAF? Pass. > 18.16 -- If we're axing 3.X in the FAQ, this whole Q&A needs > rewriting. I could make a stab at it from a pure grammar/math > perspective, but would prefer some input > from someone who actually works on the code. :-) It needs rewriting anyway, as PAE changes the maximum again (and it's almost certainly different on !i386 too). I'd just get rid of it; we can resurrect it and worry about it later if it ever gets A again. Also, there is a "Any other information on this subject would be appreciated." sticking out like a sort thumb in 9.7 which can go (or moved to an XXX comment at least). Cheers, Ceri -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFChPyaocfcwTS3JF8RAggkAJ9jZEpmFu6WnVpORgqGsL35pOaX8gCfd1bI 46inu/Je3rs5x/T7m9YMp8I= =7Afw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 19:51:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AADA16A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 19:51:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA45D43D1D for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 19:51:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1])j4DJpE2f084314; Fri, 13 May 2005 15:51:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost)j4DJpExj084313; Fri, 13 May 2005 15:51:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:51:14 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: Ceri Davies Message-ID: <20050513195113.GA84281@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> References: <20050512185934.GA75352@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <68df7addf10e62daeb38b4d2bd2440e7@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <68df7addf10e62daeb38b4d2bd2440e7@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questions to kill in FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:51:17 -0000 On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 08:14:28PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On 12 May 2005, at 19:59, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > > >3.16 -- I believe that the 1024 limit no longer exists on modern > >FreeBSD? > > Like the questions says, I was under the impression that this was a > BIOS problem, so it's probably not going away. I believe I've installed FreeBSD in the top half of a large disk before, but I'm not entirely confident that I did so correctly. > >6.1 -- FreeBSD Mall doesn't seem to offer the mentioned "Desktop > > Edition." (I could lean forward and ask Murray, but Robert is > > talking at the moment and that would be rude.) > > Did he shut up yet? ;^) He did shut up, and the commit has been made. > >6.2,6.4 -- Metrolink seems to be gone, and XiG doesn't appear to > >support FreeBSD > > We don't support a.out in current any more anyway (or did I dream > that?); get rid. > > >6.3 -- The answer seems to be "sorry, no longer available." > > Thankfully. > > >9.3 -- NLAF? > > Now *this* one I do think is due to the fact that it is in the FAQ. OK, fair enough. It is long, however. It sure looks like a candidate for migration to the Handbook. > > >9.4 -- NLAF? > > Ditto. > > >16.8 -- NLAF? > > Can go. > > >18.15 -- NLAF? > > Pass. > > >18.16 -- If we're axing 3.X in the FAQ, this whole Q&A needs > > rewriting. I could make a stab at it from a pure grammar/math > > perspective, but would prefer some input > > from someone who actually works on the code. :-) > > It needs rewriting anyway, as PAE changes the maximum again (and it's > almost certainly different on !i386 too). I'd just get rid of it; we > can resurrect it and worry about it later if it ever gets A again. > > > Also, there is a "Any other information on this subject would be > appreciated." sticking out like a sort thumb in 9.7 which can go (or > moved to an XXX comment at least). OK, I'll whack this into shape while I'm there. Thanks for your comments! I feel better knowing that someone has actually looked at things before I do them. ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ "The cloak of anonymity protects me from the nuisance of caring." -Non Sequitur From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 13 23:20:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C529716A4CE for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:20:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC2643D5A for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:20:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4DNK5mb085244 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:20:05 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j4DNK58Z085243; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:20:05 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:20:05 GMT Message-Id: <200505132320.j4DNK58Z085243@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: wblock@wonkity.com Subject: Re: docs/80871: terminfo(5) man page source corrupted X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: wblock@wonkity.com List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:20:05 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/80871; it has been noted by GNATS. From: wblock@wonkity.com To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, wblock@wonkity.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/80871: terminfo(5) man page source corrupted Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Thomas Dickey's updated man/MKterminfo.sh from ncurses 5.4 fixes the problem (sed search and replace strings) and builds the terminfo(5) man page correctly. ftp://invisible-island.net/ncurses/ncurses-5.4.tar.gz From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 14 04:31:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD2B16A4CE; Sat, 14 May 2005 04:31:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E55343D1D; Sat, 14 May 2005 04:31:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brett@brettschroeder.name) Received: from anapurna.brettschroeder.name (c-24-20-125-129.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.20.125.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005051404310501100jq70ae>; Sat, 14 May 2005 04:31:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (K2 [192.168.0.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (verified OK)) by Anapurna.brettschroeder.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC00612F; Fri, 13 May 2005 21:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42857F0D.4040508@brettschroeder.name> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:31:09 -0700 From: Brett Schroeder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050326) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ceri Davies References: <42804274.4050002@brettschroeder.name> <9cfae07f8f5c8f5d261e05f0d7355bdd@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <9cfae07f8f5c8f5d261e05f0d7355bdd@submonkey.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: OpenSSL: Handbook says "send *private* key to CA" ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 04:31:07 -0000 Ceri Davies wrote: > > On 10 May 2005, at 06:11, Brett Schroeder wrote: > >> # openssl req -new -nodes -out req.pem -keyout cert.pem >> >> and then a few lines later the text says >> >> "A cert.pem file should now exist in the directory which the >> aforementioned command was issued. This is the certificate which may be >> sent to any CA for signing." >> >>> From the "openssl req" man page >> >> >> -keyout filename >> this gives the filename to write the newly created private >> key to. >> If this option is not specified then the filename present >> in the >> configuration file is used. >> >> Thoughts? > > > [Liberal snippage in the above] > > Hi Brett, > > You're quite right about this; how do you find the attached diff? > > Ceri Ceri, Looks good. You gonna submit it? Brett From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 14 08:15:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8587916A4CE for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 08:15:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sa11.bezeqint.net (sa11.bezeqint.net [192.115.104.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3392B43D73 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 08:15:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from qazwsx@nana.co.il) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1])ESMTP id 4F25933C47 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:05 +0300 (IDT) Received: from sa11.bezeqint.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sa11 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19544-10 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:05 +0300 (IDT) Received: from csexcoil (unknown [212.179.182.43])ESMTP for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:04 +0300 (IDT) Message-ID: <385-22005561491456388@csexcoil> X-Priority: 1 From: "nana" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:14:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1255 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bezeqint.net Subject: =?windows-1255?b?4ePp5+X6IOX67uXw5fog7vbn6ffl+g==?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 08:15:06 -0000 =EE=F9=F2=EE=ED =EC=EB=ED=3F =F0=EE=E0=F1 =EC=EB=ED =EC=F9=E1=FA =EB=EC =E4=E9=E5=ED =EE=E5=EC =E4=EE=E7= =F9=E1=3F =E1=E5=E0=E5 =EC=F6=E7=E5=F7 =F7=F6=FA =E1=E0=FA=F8 =E4=F6=E7=E5=F7 =F9=EC= =E9=F9=F8=E0=EC! http://www=2Eneto-jokes=2Enet From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 14 11:02:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8D816A4CE for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:02:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc4-cdif3-6-1-cust116.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.23.41.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715A543D49 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:02:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1DWuPB-000JYE-Hf; Sat, 14 May 2005 12:02:01 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:02:01 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Brett Schroeder Message-ID: <20050514110201.GQ44007@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Brett Schroeder , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <42804274.4050002@brettschroeder.name> <9cfae07f8f5c8f5d261e05f0d7355bdd@submonkey.net> <42857F0D.4040508@brettschroeder.name> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Osvg0bgWkLaeQPMj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42857F0D.4040508@brettschroeder.name> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenSSL: Handbook says "send *private* key to CA" ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:02:02 -0000 --Osvg0bgWkLaeQPMj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 09:31:09PM -0700, Brett Schroeder wrote: > > > > You're quite right about this; how do you find the attached diff? >=20 > Looks good. You gonna submit it? Done. Just wanted to check you were happy with it; thanks! Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --Osvg0bgWkLaeQPMj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFChdqpocfcwTS3JF8RAiscAJ9iavFQhno1xypYNaeBPHOQADl9OACguvyh eY5xyRSRzork1zsVfv96VXk= =/dRR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Osvg0bgWkLaeQPMj--