From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 22 16:14:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0DE16A420 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:14:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C5D43D73 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:14:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so157716wri for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:14:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=gZjuVXChAfNmE+K57GPs+OTotzVCTgGg5JsMcPS0hLkEc0cgcFJJrVrzPRiIjxNrh3U4S+RXVo8m8vNv3JCm641XwyZrGg2tyByYgmWHazpUPUs02uWJWWNdFZf/A0uCpfXfVwAUyLjI1nug15w24n4YBlT5hOFGxfBYAoIrYDg= Received: by 10.54.147.11 with SMTP id u11mr819243wrd; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.78.12 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:14:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:14:00 +0300 From: "Sergey Matveychuk" Sender: sem.bsd@gmail.com To: arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: /etc/termcap X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Matveychuk List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:14:16 -0000 Why /etc/termcap is moved to /usr/share/misc? I know it's happened for ages. But it makes /rescue/vi complete useless without /usr mounted. I think we need some workaround for it. May be to hack vi to be less strict when it can't open termcap and just fal= l in a dumb mode? -- Sem. From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 22 16:22:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DCC16A420; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:22:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cell.sick.ru (cell.sick.ru [217.72.144.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6C043D45; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:22:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cell.sick.ru (glebius@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.sick.ru (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1MGMMDd042218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:22:23 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.sick.ru (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id k1MGMMiP042217; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:22:22 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.sick.ru: glebius set sender to glebius@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:22:22 +0300 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Sergey Matveychuk Message-ID: <20060222162222.GF96737@FreeBSD.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: /etc/termcap X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:22:26 -0000 On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 07:14:00PM +0300, Sergey Matveychuk wrote: S> Why /etc/termcap is moved to /usr/share/misc? S> I know it's happened for ages. But it makes /rescue/vi complete useless S> without /usr mounted. S> S> I think we need some workaround for it. S> May be to hack vi to be less strict when it can't open termcap and just fall S> in a dumb mode? Not a solution for FreeBSD, but a solution for you. I usually copy the termcap file into /usr/share/misc, when /usr is not mounted. -- Totus tuus, Glebius. GLEBIUS-RIPN GLEB-RIPE From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 22 17:28:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF3616A420; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:28:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3458843D70; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:28:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C913208F; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:28:21 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -2.4/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8040F2083; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:28:20 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 678E333C1D; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:28:20 +0100 (CET) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Sergey Matveychuk References: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:28:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Sergey Matveychuk's message of "Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:14:00 +0300") Message-ID: <8664n79ubv.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/termcap X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:28:27 -0000 "Sergey Matveychuk" writes: > Why /etc/termcap is moved to /usr/share/misc? Historically because it is fairly large (200 kB for the raw file and 1300 kB for the db file). However, I don't think this matters much any more; we might as well install the file in /etc and the symlink in /usr/share/misc instead of the other way around. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 23 11:29:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7420D16A420 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:29:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F7A43D5D for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:29:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i6so341439wra for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:29:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=I7+9Yb2qR2nYhjmLthHi3gVgHw/1oNH0GL2lcoWp8q4tMliEQRIbpWVoDaXgyv5pXsupknP9taMMcO7wySf/1lZZ2J1avf/ndio1aTJwHKz2JRObNzGGnIFXJ0kpJZGudxbThZz4PskZjKQvuJlrM6bex3rab1KxBsREI9pUm1o= Received: by 10.54.108.7 with SMTP id g7mr161230wrc; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.78.12 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:29:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:29:14 +0300 From: "Sergey Matveychuk" Sender: sem.bsd@gmail.com To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=" In-Reply-To: <8664n79ubv.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8664n79ubv.fsf@xps.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Sergey Matveychuk Subject: Re: /etc/termcap X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Matveychuk List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:29:16 -0000 2006/2/22, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav : > > "Sergey Matveychuk" writes: > > Why /etc/termcap is moved to /usr/share/misc? > > Historically because it is fairly large (200 kB for the raw file and > 1300 kB for the db file). However, I don't think this matters much > any more; we might as well install the file in /etc and the symlink in > /usr/share/misc instead of the other way around. > A CVS log saies: 'make install should not install any file in /etc.' I think it's a good time to back the file in /etc and make mergemaster to care for it. It makes a sense as people will able keep changes in it. -- Sem. From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 24 19:35:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE1216A420 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:35:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fjoe@neo.samodelkin.net) Received: from neo.samodelkin.net (samodelkin.net [195.62.0.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAE143D48 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:35:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fjoe@neo.samodelkin.net) Received: by neo.samodelkin.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7958F17019; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:35:21 +0600 (NOVT) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:35:21 +0600 From: Max Khon To: babkin@users.sf.net Message-ID: <20060224193521.GA24121@samodelkin.net> References: <12424860.1139921265521.JavaMail.root@vms169.mailsrvcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <12424860.1139921265521.JavaMail.root@vms169.mailsrvcs.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: NTFS write support X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:35:25 -0000 Hi! On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 06:47:45AM -0600, Sergey Babkin wrote: > >In message: <43EFF3E2.90001@samsco.org> > > Scott Long writes: > >: Sergey Babkin wrote: > > >: I'm pretty sure that Microsoft makes the technical details available > >: for NTFS, either from their website or from one of their DDKs. The > >: hardest part is probably in dealing with their journal. > > Well, looks like they send the DDK for $15. I've > ordered one, we'll see what's inside it. Does not > seem to be much useful information on their web site. I guess you need IFS Kit (which is a superset of DDK). But it does not contain any NTFS docs. /fjoe From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 24 20:30:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D5C16A423 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:30:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gilbert.fernandes@spamcop.net) Received: from mailgate.cesmail.net (mailgate.cesmail.net [216.154.195.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E220E43D45 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:30:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gilbert.fernandes@spamcop.net) Received: (qmail 10680 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 20:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO delta.cesmail.net) (192.168.1.30) by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 20:30:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 3917 invoked by uid 99); 24 Feb 2006 20:30:07 -0000 Received: from i02v-87-89-157-8.d4.club-internet.fr (i02v-87-89-157-8.d4.club-internet.fr [87.89.157.8]) by webmail.spamcop.net (Horde) with HTTP for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:30:07 +0100 Message-ID: <20060224213007.6x6dqzo4gw0sw0cg@webmail.spamcop.net> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:30:07 +0100 From: Gilbert Fernandes To: Max Khon References: <12424860.1139921265521.JavaMail.root@vms169.mailsrvcs.net> <20060224193521.GA24121@samodelkin.net> In-Reply-To: <20060224193521.GA24121@samodelkin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs Cc: arch@freebsd.org, babkin@users.sf.net Subject: [off-topic] NTFS, Apple and GPL vs LGPL (Was : NTFS write support) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:30:09 -0000 > I'm pretty sure that Microsoft makes the technical details > available for NTFS, either from their website or from one of their > DDKs. There is a Linux NTFS project at linux-ntfs.org This is mainly off-topic but while reading a few days ago an article on Slashdot called " Will MacIntel Kill Apple Open Source Efforts?", I read an interesting comment about Apple and that NTFS Linux project : ----8>----8>----8>----8>----8>----8>----8> Last July, Apple asked [sourceforge.net] {http://linux-ntfs.org/} Anton Altaparmakov, lead developer of the Linux-NTFS [linux-ntfs.org] project, to dual license the Linux-NTFS driver under the APL so that the Intel version of OS X can read/write files on Windows partitions (presumably for dual-boot computers). The problem pointed out by other Linux-NTFS developers is that the APL is not GPL compatible [gnu.org], and any changes made by Apple to the driver will be unusable in Linux. As one person put it: This would open up a one-way street: towards OS X and away from GNU/Linux and any other OS based on the GPL. Not to mention the Konqueror / Safari fiasco {http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/07/134222} where Apple complied to the terms of the LGPL by the skin of their teeth, making it impossible [kdedevelopers.org] for open source developers to port changes upstream. In November, Apple has again tried to hijack Linux-NTFS code, this time by suggesting {http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=13769046} that it be licensed under the LGPL. This was promptly rejected by one main developer, who threatened lawsuits. ----8>----8>----8>----8>----8>----8>----8> It is thus highly probable that Apple would like to see a BSD-based implementation of NTFS. They asked twice the GPL-based project to adopt a dual-licence so they (Apple) would be able to integrate this into MacOS X. Perhaps Apple would agree to give some support for the BSD-licence based work ? -- unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; find ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; fsck ; umount ; sleep From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 25 18:14:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CA716A420 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:14:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B78B43D45 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:14:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.14] (imini.samsco.home [192.168.254.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PIE8mk025629; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <44009E6F.6070301@samsco.org> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:14:07 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050416 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gilbert Fernandes References: <12424860.1139921265521.JavaMail.root@vms169.mailsrvcs.net> <20060224193521.GA24121@samodelkin.net> <20060224213007.6x6dqzo4gw0sw0cg@webmail.spamcop.net> In-Reply-To: <20060224213007.6x6dqzo4gw0sw0cg@webmail.spamcop.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: arch@freebsd.org, babkin@users.sourceforge.net, Max Khon Subject: Re: [off-topic] NTFS, Apple and GPL vs LGPL (Was : NTFS write support) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:14:12 -0000 Gilbert Fernandes wrote: >>I'm pretty sure that Microsoft makes the technical details >>available for NTFS, either from their website or from one of their >>DDKs. > > > There is a Linux NTFS project at linux-ntfs.org > > This is mainly off-topic but while reading a few days ago an article on > Slashdot called " Will MacIntel Kill Apple Open Source Efforts?", I read an > interesting comment about Apple and that NTFS Linux project : > > ----8>----8>----8>----8>----8>----8>----8> > > Last July, Apple asked [sourceforge.net] {http://linux-ntfs.org/} Anton > Altaparmakov, lead developer of the Linux-NTFS [linux-ntfs.org] project, to > dual license the Linux-NTFS driver under the APL so that the Intel version > of OS X can read/write files on Windows partitions (presumably for > dual-boot computers). The problem pointed out by other Linux-NTFS > developers is that the APL is not GPL compatible [gnu.org], and any changes > made by Apple to the driver will be unusable in Linux. As one person put it: > > This would open up a one-way street: towards OS X and away from GNU/Linux > and any other OS based on the GPL. > > Not to mention the Konqueror / Safari fiasco > {http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/07/134222} where Apple > complied to the terms of the LGPL by the skin of their teeth, making it > impossible [kdedevelopers.org] for open source developers to port changes > upstream. > > In November, Apple has again tried to hijack Linux-NTFS code, this time by > suggesting {http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=13769046} > that it be licensed under the LGPL. This was promptly rejected by one main > developer, who threatened lawsuits. > > ----8>----8>----8>----8>----8>----8>----8> > > It is thus highly probable that Apple would like to see a BSD-based > implementation of NTFS. They asked twice the GPL-based project to adopt a > dual-licence so they (Apple) would be able to integrate this into MacOS X. > > Perhaps Apple would agree to give some support for the BSD-licence based > work ? > First of all, everything that you quoted from Slashdot is rubbish. There isn't a single opinion in there that has any relationship to reality. It makes me sad that such junk has such a wide audience. If you want to work on a BSD licensed NTFS module, it's reasonable to expect that Apple might show some interest in it, but it's unreasonable to expect or demand that they will act as an equal partner in developing and sharing. They might be very open and cooperative like they are with Webkit, or they might not. You've got to decide that you are OK with sharing your effort with no expectation of a return from them. A good example is my work with the UDF filesystem in FreeBSD. Shortly after I checked it in, I was contacted by SGI about them wanting to incorporate it into IRIX. Since it was BSD licensed, they we allowed to. Over a few months they fed back a few comments that resulted in bug fixes, but they never sent in code or patches, and they didn't share any of the new features that they had added. But that's ok, my had no expectations that they owed me anything in return, I was simply happy to share and pleased that they found my work good enough to reuse for themselves. But, it's a personal choice. I could have just as easily GPL'd the code before checking it in (which would have still been allowed) and then demanded that anyone working on it share. In the end, SGI probably would have looked elsewhere. There are pros and cons to both approaches. Scott From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 25 20:14:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A97416A420 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:14:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gilbert.fernandes@spamcop.net) Received: from mailgate.cesmail.net (mailgate.cesmail.net [216.154.195.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B16343D45 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:14:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gilbert.fernandes@spamcop.net) Received: (qmail 25108 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 20:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epsilon.cesmail.net) (192.168.1.40) by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 20:14:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 20774 invoked by uid 99); 25 Feb 2006 20:14:28 -0000 Received: from i02v-87-89-157-8.d4.club-internet.fr (i02v-87-89-157-8.d4.club-internet.fr [87.89.157.8]) by webmail.spamcop.net (Horde) with HTTP for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:14:28 +0100 Message-ID: <20060225211428.qqm8woss0s0k48oc@webmail.spamcop.net> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:14:28 +0100 From: Gilbert Fernandes To: Scott Long References: <12424860.1139921265521.JavaMail.root@vms169.mailsrvcs.net> <20060224193521.GA24121@samodelkin.net> <20060224213007.6x6dqzo4gw0sw0cg@webmail.spamcop.net> <44009E6F.6070301@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <44009E6F.6070301@samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs Cc: arch@freebsd.org, babkin@users.sourceforge.net, Max Khon Subject: Re: [off-topic] NTFS, Apple and GPL vs LGPL (Was : NTFS write support) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:14:30 -0000 > First of all, everything that you quoted from Slashdot is rubbish. I did say it was a Slashdot comment. The word "Slashdot" itself means a lot but adding "comment" to it clearly explains how this information is to be considered :o) The point was more broad than the comment itself, though. Apple is curently using the FreeBSD ntfs driver to mount NTFS partitions. -- unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; find ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; fsck ; umount ; sleep