From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 08:08:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7943D16A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:08:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tiresias@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027DC43D48 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:08:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tiresias@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so833739wra for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:08:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ou2Ov9vfKZGixdbJGtlu+jyYjRTjGTG1h/LKRFuBthVd1GlXoZx5oRQgNFWrr5QEeLuEHdRxNL4CHyTFMCG4j2E+Vx8bRxcBTJDH59Zi7clD20qjv+ziDVX3FPGhgii9HvuCT9ADXi4Ke3uM2TgE7zg03ZyiMSHATsOechYRd94= Received: by 10.65.137.18 with SMTP id p18mr145010qbn; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.112.18 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:08:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 03:08:16 -0500 From: JR To: www@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: broken link X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:08:17 -0000 FYI, while browsing the FreeBSD handbook I clicked a link to: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/cvsup-without-gui/pkg-descr from the following page: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.htm= l which told me the following: ######## Port description for net/cvsup-without-gui The port specified does not exist, or has an invalid name: ports/net/cvsup-without-gui/pkg-descr You are coming from http://www%2efreebsd%2eorg/doc/en%5fUS%2eISO8859%2d1/books/handbook/por= ts%2dusing%2ehtml. Please contact www@FreeBSD.org ######### From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 10:23:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC9C16A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:23:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A1D43D46 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:23:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACBB930552; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:23:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 94731-04; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:23:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43CA2290.2040302@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:23:12 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JR References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: broken link X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:23:13 -0000 JR wrote: > FYI, while browsing the FreeBSD handbook I clicked a link to: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/cvsup-without-gui/pkg-descr > from the following page: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html > which told me the following: > > ######## > Port description for net/cvsup-without-gui > > The port specified does not exist, or has an invalid name: > > ports/net/cvsup-without-gui/pkg-descr > > You are coming from > > http://www%2efreebsd%2eorg/doc/en%5fUS%2eISO8859%2d1/books/handbook/ports%2dusing%2ehtml. > > Please contact www@FreeBSD.org > ######### > _______________________________________________ Hi JR, This is a known issue. cvsup-without-gui is not really a port, it is a sub of cvsup, with some flags set so that the gui interface will not be build. Currently we cannot fix this. Thanks for your awareness and for taking the time to report this to us. Cheers, Remko -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 13:23:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6316A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:23:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay01.ispgateway.de (smtprelay01.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DF443D45 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:23:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: (qmail 18871 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 13:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) ([pbs]775067@[217.187.177.35]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay01.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2006 13:23:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:23:03 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: s.mazeland@xs4all.nl Message-ID: <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> In-Reply-To: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.100 (GTK+ 2.8.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2006-08-19.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_fe_bMuJ4HHNI5nMeF+UWDZR; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:23:13 -0000 --Sig_fe_bMuJ4HHNI5nMeF+UWDZR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Siebrand Mazeland" wrote: > A while ago kuriyama@ proposed a new layout for the webpage using the > new logo [1][2]. With my browser configuration it looks even worse than the original: http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-in-firefox-1024x768.png (193KB) http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-new-logo-in-firefox-1024x768.png (209KB) I think right now the logo change is less important than http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D91539. Fabian --=20 http://www.fabiankeil.de/ --Sig_fe_bMuJ4HHNI5nMeF+UWDZR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDyky+jV8GA4rMKUQRAjf7AJ4txFMAo4ugweT2w8d+zmnMS/ecUACfRIka uLiLSOPmpwQ1YGti4xETi/E= =xTC1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_fe_bMuJ4HHNI5nMeF+UWDZR-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 15:16:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958BC16A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:16:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hood.oook.cz (hood.oook.cz [195.250.137.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FD343D46 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:16:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ikaros.oook.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hood.oook.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FFG5RH087687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:16:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by ikaros.oook.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0FFG4Z6087686; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:16:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ikaros.oook.cz: pav set sender to pav@FreeBSD.org using -f From: Pav Lucistnik To: Fabian Keil In-Reply-To: <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-nVXl0o7fd8XNP//RVS95" Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:16:04 +0100 Message-Id: <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, s.mazeland@xs4all.nl Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:16:16 -0000 --=-nVXl0o7fd8XNP//RVS95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 14:23 +0100: > "Siebrand Mazeland" wrote: >=20 > > A while ago kuriyama@ proposed a new layout for the webpage using the > > new logo [1][2]. >=20 > With my browser configuration it looks even worse than the original: >=20 > http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-in-firefox-1024x768.png > (193KB) >=20 > http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-new-logo-in-firefox-1024x768.png > (209KB) Ewww, you got severely misconfigured Firefox. The fonts are so... large. --=20 Pav Lucistnik Cats happen. --=-nVXl0o7fd8XNP//RVS95 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?iso-8859-2?Q?digit=E1ln=EC?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?_=E8=E1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDymc0ntdYP8FOsoIRAk/MAJ4riBkdpeBMpuC9vFFmxLKOqBFzEACeKbSS DDw0SDmeoLYWa8UUwCLgN6k= =ZFqj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-nVXl0o7fd8XNP//RVS95-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 15:42:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE99616A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:42:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay01.ispgateway.de (smtprelay01.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53E043D5F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:42:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: (qmail 13919 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 15:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) ([pbs]775067@[217.187.177.35]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay01.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2006 15:42:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:42:06 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: pav@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.100 (GTK+ 2.8.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2006-08-19.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_a3KSOd/MYhfj+vA41Fby2kO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:42:17 -0000 --Sig_a3KSOd/MYhfj+vA41Fby2kO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pav Lucistnik wrote: > Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 14:23 +0100: > > "Siebrand Mazeland" wrote: > >=20 > > > A while ago kuriyama@ proposed a new layout for the webpage using > > > the new logo [1][2]. > >=20 > > With my browser configuration it looks even worse than the original: > >=20 > > http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-in-firefox-1024x768.png > > (193KB) > >=20 > > http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-new-logo-in-firefox-1024x768.p= ng > > (209KB) >=20 > Ewww, you got severely misconfigured Firefox. The fonts are so... > large. No it's not. Minimum font size is set to 15 by choice. The misconfiguration lies in the CSS, it doesn't use enough relative sizes like em or %, and therefore asks for broken layout in non-tested browser settings. The idea of HTML and CSS is to provide a decent looking (and working) page in any browser, no matter what configuration or size. Fabian --=20 http://www.fabiankeil.de/ --Sig_a3KSOd/MYhfj+vA41Fby2kO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDym1TjV8GA4rMKUQRAjWXAKCh3F3DbBb7vnWkC5jbhV1jNOL7rQCdFdMB P9bA9HS5d/tIiIXA+tWJm8M= =TVwp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_a3KSOd/MYhfj+vA41Fby2kO-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 15:44:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA09616A420 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:44:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hood.oook.cz (hood.oook.cz [195.250.137.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CCB43D45 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:44:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ikaros.oook.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hood.oook.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FFiX7Z095408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:44:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by ikaros.oook.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0FFiWQf095407; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:44:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ikaros.oook.cz: pav set sender to pav@FreeBSD.org using -f From: Pav Lucistnik To: Fabian Keil In-Reply-To: <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-14Dglaxe7krl9UavJNGU" Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:44:32 +0100 Message-Id: <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:44:39 -0000 --=-14Dglaxe7krl9UavJNGU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 16:42 +0100: > Pav Lucistnik wrote: >=20 > > Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 14:23 +0100: > > > "Siebrand Mazeland" wrote: > > >=20 > > > > A while ago kuriyama@ proposed a new layout for the webpage using > > > > the new logo [1][2]. > > >=20 > > > With my browser configuration it looks even worse than the original: > > >=20 > > > http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-in-firefox-1024x768.png > > > (193KB) > > >=20 > > > http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-new-logo-in-firefox-1024x768= .png > > > (209KB) > >=20 > > Ewww, you got severely misconfigured Firefox. The fonts are so... > > large. >=20 > No it's not. Minimum font size is set to 15 by choice. 15 is awfully large. You surely don't expect all the entries from the grey bar fits into single line if you force them to use 150 pixel font? --=20 Pav Lucistnik As to floating eyes, let them float :). - r.g.r.a --=-14Dglaxe7krl9UavJNGU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?iso-8859-2?Q?digit=E1ln=EC?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?_=E8=E1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDym3gntdYP8FOsoIRAkWVAKCT6WSoIf9e3e0h+CPUdqsrTkAamgCfevqS zYaAkEK2bLkOlUROqsc3mA0= =2rsV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-14Dglaxe7krl9UavJNGU-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 16:16:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28B416A45D for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:16:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@gad.glazov.net) Received: from pr.glazov.net (pr.glazov.net [81.18.139.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAC643D46 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:16:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@gad.glazov.net) Received: from localhost (nat65.homenet.glazov.net [81.18.139.65]) by pr.glazov.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FGGoeg012050; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:16:50 +0400 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:16:55 +0400 From: Vitaly Bogdanov To: gad@gad.glazov.net Message-ID: <20060115161655.GA1449@gad.glazov.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> X-Powered-by: FreeBSD 6.0-BETA5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1242/Sun Jan 15 04:00:41 2006 on pr.glazov.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:16:53 -0000 On Sun, Jan 15, 2006, Pav Lucistnik wrote: >.. > 15 is awfully large. > > You surely don't expect all the entries from the grey bar fits into > single line if you force them to use 150 pixel font? Please, tell me... Why can't we use fixed sized fonts? All have different browsers and various system configurations... I think fixed sized fonts can solve this problem, am I right? Vitaly From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 16:22:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FB216A420 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:22:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hood.oook.cz (hood.oook.cz [195.250.137.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8773443D49 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:22:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ikaros.oook.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hood.oook.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FGM3xP024176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:22:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by ikaros.oook.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0FGM3WM024100; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:22:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ikaros.oook.cz: pav set sender to pav@FreeBSD.org using -f From: Pav Lucistnik To: Vitaly Bogdanov In-Reply-To: <20060115161655.GA1449@gad.glazov.net> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> <20060115161655.GA1449@gad.glazov.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-H6qGRH0garFFBiMIB28v" Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:22:03 +0100 Message-Id: <1137342123.3790.25.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:22:06 -0000 --=-H6qGRH0garFFBiMIB28v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vitaly Bogdanov p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 20:16 +0400: > On Sun, Jan 15, 2006, Pav Lucistnik wrote: > >..=20 > > 15 is awfully large. > >=20 > > You surely don't expect all the entries from the grey bar fits into > > single line if you force them to use 150 pixel font? >=20 > Please, tell me... Why can't we use fixed sized fonts? >=20 > All have different browsers and various system configurations... > I think fixed sized fonts can solve this problem, am I right? They could, unless people keep on overriding minimal font size in their browsers. --=20 Pav Lucistnik 94 outdated ports on the box, 94 outdated ports. Portupgrade one, an hour 'til done, 82 outdated ports on the box. --=-H6qGRH0garFFBiMIB28v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?iso-8859-2?Q?digit=E1ln=EC?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?_=E8=E1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDynarntdYP8FOsoIRAtpYAJoDFo+bQfyXv4DUWT30MWuPYek+gwCeNxzX uNDZrgNknyLnFsmfU7/Y4tg= =gpi7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-H6qGRH0garFFBiMIB28v-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 17:10:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DFD16A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay03.ispgateway.de (smtprelay03.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1561543D55 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: (qmail 10983 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 17:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) ([pbs]775067@[217.187.177.35]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay03.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2006 17:10:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:10:02 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: pav@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20060115181002.026aff64@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.100 (GTK+ 2.8.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2006-08-19.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_vvRjhnFBJma+dkUSgVXhWqL; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:10 -0000 --Sig_vvRjhnFBJma+dkUSgVXhWqL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pav Lucistnik wrote: > Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 16:42 +0100: > > Pav Lucistnik wrote: > >=20 > > > Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 14:23 +0100: > > > > "Siebrand Mazeland" wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > > A while ago kuriyama@ proposed a new layout for the webpage > > > > > using the new logo [1][2]. > > > >=20 > > > > With my browser configuration it looks even worse than the > > > > original: > > > >=20 > > > > http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-in-firefox-1024x768.png > > > > (193KB) > > > >=20 > > > > http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-new-logo-in-firefox-1024x7= 68.png > > > > (209KB) > > >=20 > > > Ewww, you got severely misconfigured Firefox. The fonts are so... > > > large. > >=20 > > No it's not. Minimum font size is set to 15 by choice. >=20 > 15 is awfully large. It depends your preferences. I call it "easily readable". =20 > You surely don't expect all the entries from the grey bar fits into > single line if you force them to use 150 pixel font? I expect the grey bar (and every other element of the site) to grow with the font size. If a second line is needed, that's fine by me. But on www.freeebsd.org there is no second line needed for my configuration. If there wasn't so much free space on the left side of the "Home" link, the "Support" link would fit on the same line. Fabian --=20 http://www.fabiankeil.de/ --Sig_vvRjhnFBJma+dkUSgVXhWqL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDyoHujV8GA4rMKUQRAp/dAKCvx1MPVxkXraszgcbVjJn5BggilACeM4s0 C3eErUoPPjR7JwObfq0gUbE= =LubK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_vvRjhnFBJma+dkUSgVXhWqL-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 17:12:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1AC16A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:12:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hood.oook.cz (hood.oook.cz [195.250.137.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8505543D5C for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:12:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ikaros.oook.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hood.oook.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FHCEEF058657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:12:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by ikaros.oook.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0FHCDgJ058656; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:12:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ikaros.oook.cz: pav set sender to pav@FreeBSD.org using -f From: Pav Lucistnik To: Fabian Keil In-Reply-To: <20060115181002.026aff64@localhost> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> <20060115181002.026aff64@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-/MIaBRzr5IxopTT7J9dI" Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:12:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1137345133.3790.39.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:12:32 -0000 --=-/MIaBRzr5IxopTT7J9dI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 18:10 +0100: > Pav Lucistnik wrote: >=20 > > Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 16:42 +0100: > > > Pav Lucistnik wrote: > > >=20 > > > > Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 14:23 +0100: > > > > > "Siebrand Mazeland" wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > > A while ago kuriyama@ proposed a new layout for the webpage > > > > > > using the new logo [1][2]. > > > > >=20 > > > > > With my browser configuration it looks even worse than the > > > > > original: > > > > >=20 > > > > > http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-in-firefox-1024x768.png > > > > > (193KB) > > > > >=20 > > > > > http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/freebsd.org-new-logo-in-firefox-1024= x768.png > > > > > (209KB) > > > >=20 > > > > Ewww, you got severely misconfigured Firefox. The fonts are so... > > > > large. > > >=20 > > > No it's not. Minimum font size is set to 15 by choice. > >=20 > > 15 is awfully large. >=20 > It depends your preferences. I call it "easily readable". > =20 > > You surely don't expect all the entries from the grey bar fits into > > single line if you force them to use 150 pixel font? >=20 > I expect the grey bar (and every other element of the site) to grow with > the font size. If a second line is needed, that's fine by me. >=20 > But on www.freeebsd.org there is no second line needed for my > configuration. If there wasn't so much free space on the left side of > the "Home" link, the "Support" link would fit on the same line. You could also resize your Firefox to be a little wider. You got some free screen estate to the left of it. --=20 Pav Lucistnik Quantum physics was developed in the 1930's, as a result of a bet between Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr, to see who could come up with the most ridiculous theory and still have it published. --=-/MIaBRzr5IxopTT7J9dI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?iso-8859-2?Q?digit=E1ln=EC?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?_=E8=E1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDyoJtntdYP8FOsoIRAjePAKC/1aOsyC/l54bKfN99bB5YWiT/YACfVCyZ j7t+2YZQrYNBkF+JRTk86m8= =SQq0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-/MIaBRzr5IxopTT7J9dI-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 17:26:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E8816A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:26:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay05.ispgateway.de (smtprelay05.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B6543D58 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:26:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: (qmail 30898 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2006 17:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) ([pbs]775067@[217.187.177.35]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay05.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2006 17:26:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:26:04 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: pav@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20060115182604.42808110@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1137345133.3790.39.camel@localhost> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> <20060115181002.026aff64@localhost> <1137345133.3790.39.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.100 (GTK+ 2.8.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2006-08-19.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_O=RqZcA+2Gc/3KCPGdKGi+t"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:26:50 -0000 --Sig_O=RqZcA+2Gc/3KCPGdKGi+t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pav Lucistnik wrote: > Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 18:10 +0100: > > Pav Lucistnik wrote: =20 > > > You surely don't expect all the entries from the grey bar fits > > > into single line if you force them to use 150 pixel font? > >=20 > > I expect the grey bar (and every other element of the site) to grow > > with the font size. If a second line is needed, that's fine by me. > >=20 > > But on www.freeebsd.org there is no second line needed for my > > configuration. If there wasn't so much free space on the left side > > of the "Home" link, the "Support" link would fit on the same line. >=20 > You could also resize your Firefox to be a little wider. You got some > free screen estate to the left of it. 1. If I would resize Firefox it would overlap the pager in the left corner. I need the free space, I often have windows open in the background and I want to be able to see and activate them there. 2. If I resize Firefox, nothing changes. The layout is still broken and it doesn't care about the size of the browser window. If I increase the width I get more unused space on the right and left side. See http://www.lemis.com/grog/Photos-20060109.html for some horrible examples. 3. Most important, you can't expect the user to change his browser window (or anything else on his system) just to read your site. What if my resolution would be 800x600 or even lower? Fabian --=20 http://www.fabiankeil.de/ --Sig_O=RqZcA+2Gc/3KCPGdKGi+t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDyoXVjV8GA4rMKUQRAngpAJ9bfFp1ZZ6XHHlVHtDMoeEBbjMrRwCfZyLu amZ69zadaupDGyAA/PxxtBA= =K6e+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_O=RqZcA+2Gc/3KCPGdKGi+t-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 17:31:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC45F16A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:31:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hood.oook.cz (hood.oook.cz [195.250.137.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F70743D48 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:31:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ikaros.oook.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hood.oook.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FHV6UU035593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:31:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by ikaros.oook.cz (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0FHV6BO035592; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:31:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ikaros.oook.cz: pav set sender to pav@FreeBSD.org using -f From: Pav Lucistnik To: Fabian Keil In-Reply-To: <20060115182604.42808110@localhost> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> <20060115181002.026aff64@localhost> <1137345133.3790.39.camel@localhost> <20060115182604.42808110@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-PYMxD4phcJFhXAKILFGv" Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:31:05 +0100 Message-Id: <1137346266.3790.47.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:31:26 -0000 --=-PYMxD4phcJFhXAKILFGv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabian Keil p=ED=B9e v ne 15. 01. 2006 v 18:26 +0100: > 2. If I resize Firefox, nothing changes. The layout is still broken and > it doesn't care about the size of the browser window. If I increase > the width I get more unused space on the right and left side. >=20 > See http://www.lemis.com/grog/Photos-20060109.html for some > horrible examples. It's all about your override of font sizes. End of story. There is nothing at our place to fix. You have to fix your browser. > 3. Most important, you can't expect the user to change his browser > window (or anything else on his system) just to read your site. >=20 > What if my resolution would be 800x600 or even lower? It fits into maximized window at 800x600 (taking there's no pager eating the horizontal space). --=20 Pav Lucistnik > Why do we need a film of "Lord of the Rings" when we have the book? Because watching a cg enhanced Legolas fire a flaming arrow into the heart of a warg is cool? - asdf@asdf.com in rec.games.roguelike.angband --=-PYMxD4phcJFhXAKILFGv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?iso-8859-2?Q?digit=E1ln=EC?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?_=E8=E1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDyobZntdYP8FOsoIRApF+AJ9YkLff9hAMtppMzNEgWXZHIxab4wCfR480 Awfyr0acwhsAu+sjrmKjchM= =XSHG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-PYMxD4phcJFhXAKILFGv-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 17:33:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AA116A431; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:33:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BD043D48; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:33:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (gothic.blackend.org [192.168.1.203]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FHXRkk019892; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:33:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FHXRVb001908; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:33:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@gothic.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3/Submit) id k0FHXR2M001907; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:33:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:33:27 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Fabian Keil Message-ID: <20060115173327.GB1286@gothic.blackend.org> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> <20060115181002.026aff64@localhost> <1137345133.3790.39.camel@localhost> <20060115182604.42808110@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060115182604.42808110@localhost> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, pav@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:33:37 -0000 --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 06:26:04PM +0100, Fabian Keil wrote: > >=20 > > You could also resize your Firefox to be a little wider. You got some > > free screen estate to the left of it. >=20 > 1. If I would resize Firefox it would overlap the pager in the left > corner. I need the free space, I often have windows open in the > background and I want to be able to see and activate them there. >=20 > 2. If I resize Firefox, nothing changes. The layout is still broken and > it doesn't care about the size of the browser window. If I increase > the width I get more unused space on the right and left side. >=20 > See http://www.lemis.com/grog/Photos-20060109.html for some > horrible examples. >=20 > 3. Most important, you can't expect the user to change his browser > window (or anything else on his system) just to read your site. >=20 > What if my resolution would be 800x600 or even lower? > It has been discussed many times, Fabian is right: there is a problem. We are still waiting for a decent solution. Marc --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDyodmzQ9RwE+OdOgRAk9tAJsEVeGeyxumlVkC4vRUnr8/wTmmFQCcDGD+ SAq9PyHWnf2fhAFyPxOn+dY= =fySg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 20:52:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C433C16A422 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:52:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from devon.odell@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB6943D55 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:52:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from devon.odell@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so770795wxc for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:52:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZCumQNeyIn89ujgOrm8oTHZUWEDmGDBUcyX1pbeyr1VaH4UDVliAc7LN1ZNDJHRxYNKcVxzX+f0GxoqwsDfBhZXV6Lu09qAzvdGunWtbsLITy2EBWkL8+AxyNSFaieOsqny+BHgehZlax5Ee32pOqe4ajwwPIWb88mjlyWwCgck= Received: by 10.70.108.19 with SMTP id g19mr6785192wxc; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.65.4 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:52:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9ab217670601151252g617a0088t@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:52:43 -0800 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: Marc Fonvieille In-Reply-To: <20060115173327.GB1286@gothic.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> <20060115181002.026aff64@localhost> <1137345133.3790.39.camel@localhost> <20060115182604.42808110@localhost> <20060115173327.GB1286@gothic.blackend.org> Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:52:46 -0000 2006/1/15, Marc Fonvieille : > On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 06:26:04PM +0100, Fabian Keil wrote: > > > > > > You could also resize your Firefox to be a little wider. You got some > > > free screen estate to the left of it. > > > > 1. If I would resize Firefox it would overlap the pager in the left > > corner. I need the free space, I often have windows open in the > > background and I want to be able to see and activate them there. > > > > 2. If I resize Firefox, nothing changes. The layout is still broken and > > it doesn't care about the size of the browser window. If I increase > > the width I get more unused space on the right and left side. > > > > See http://www.lemis.com/grog/Photos-20060109.html for some > > horrible examples. > > > > 3. Most important, you can't expect the user to change his browser > > window (or anything else on his system) just to read your site. > > > > What if my resolution would be 800x600 or even lower? > > > > It has been discussed many times, Fabian is right: there is a problem. > We are still waiting for a decent solution. > > Marc The problem is that there's no solution. Using percentage based fonts is a _huge_ pain for people who don't override their browser font settings, especially when these are sizing them to a sub-100% font, making things unreadable. If you use fixed-size fonts, the issue stays that the people who do set their font sizes higher get pissy because your font is smaller. It's a lose-lose situation. The number of people who use 800x600 combined with the number of people who change the minimum default font size of the browser are fewer than the people at 1024x768 and up with normal browser settings. Do we cater to everybody? Do we piss some people off? I don't know. This is why it's usually a good idea to just _do_ the work and let things get fixed later. Most people won't notice it, and if they do, hopefully they'll be helpful enough to come up with a solution themselves. This is why we transitioned the site without too much pre-site-transition hubbub. Had that been brought up, people'd have shot it down immediately. (And there were a number of PRs that came in afterwards from people who tried anyway.) My point is that we're a big project with a very diverse, technical user base of people who all think that the way they do things is the right way. The solution, in my opinion, is to pick one, go with it, and pick up the pieces later. If your toes get stepped on, deal with it. You have to pay more taxes than you would like to as well. --Devon From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 21:18:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA6B16A422; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:18:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matto@knight.iXsystems.com) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (knight.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D82E43D45; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:18:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matto@knight.iXsystems.com) Received: from knight.iXsystems.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k0FLCTwF034799; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:12:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matto@knight.iXsystems.com) Received: (from matto@localhost) by knight.iXsystems.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id k0FLCTSP034798; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:12:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matto) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:12:29 -0800 From: Matt Olander To: "Devon H. O'Dell" Message-ID: <20060115131229.A34740@knight.iXsystems.com> References: <200601142318.k0ENISYs043627@smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl> <20060115142303.138aed5a@localhost> <1137338164.3790.15.camel@localhost> <20060115164206.7f0b8225@localhost> <1137339872.3790.17.camel@localhost> <20060115181002.026aff64@localhost> <1137345133.3790.39.camel@localhost> <20060115182604.42808110@localhost> <20060115173327.GB1286@gothic.blackend.org> <9ab217670601151252g617a0088t@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <9ab217670601151252g617a0088t@mail.gmail.com>; from devon.odell@gmail.com on Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 12:52:43PM -0800 Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New logo on web page progress? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:18:56 -0000 On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 12:52:43PM -0800, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > > > 3. Most important, you can't expect the user to change his browser > > > window (or anything else on his system) just to read your site. > > > > > > What if my resolution would be 800x600 or even lower? > > > > > > > It has been discussed many times, Fabian is right: there is a problem. > > We are still waiting for a decent solution. > > > > Marc > > The problem is that there's no solution. Using percentage based fonts > is a _huge_ pain for people who don't override their browser font > settings, especially when these are sizing them to a sub-100% font, > making things unreadable. If you use fixed-size fonts, the issue stays > that the people who do set their font sizes higher get pissy because > your font is smaller. It's a lose-lose situation. > > The number of people who use 800x600 combined with the number of > people who change the minimum default font size of the browser are > fewer than the people at 1024x768 and up with normal browser settings. > Do we cater to everybody? Do we piss some people off? I don't know. > This is why it's usually a good idea to just _do_ the work and let > things get fixed later. Most people won't notice it, and if they do, > hopefully they'll be helpful enough to come up with a solution > themselves. > > This is why we transitioned the site without too much > pre-site-transition hubbub. Had that been brought up, people'd have > shot it down immediately. (And there were a number of PRs that came in > afterwards from people who tried anyway.) > > My point is that we're a big project with a very diverse, technical > user base of people who all think that the way they do things is the > right way. The solution, in my opinion, is to pick one, go with it, > and pick up the pieces later. If your toes get stepped on, deal with > it. You have to pay more taxes than you would like to as well. >From the FreeBSD marketing team's perspective, we would like to see the logo go up as soon as possible. You can never please all the people all of the time, but if we could begin the logo branding process with the majority of new visitors to the site, this would be a great start. Thanks, -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - Servers for Open Source http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org (408)943-4100 Phone (408)943-4101 Fax -- "Those who don't read have no advantage over those who can't" -Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 16 02:40:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2E416A41F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:40:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDFE43D45 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:40:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0G2e3UD049482 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:40:03 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0G2e3q1049481; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:40:03 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:40:03 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200601160240.k0G2e3q1049481@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Oliver Rompcik Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8A516A41F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:35:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6BC43D45 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:35:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0G2Z8iD000816 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:35:08 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k0G2Z89T000815; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:35:08 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200601160235.k0G2Z89T000815@www.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:35:08 GMT From: Oliver Rompcik To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/91853: User Groups (Bergisch Gladbach, Germany) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:40:05 -0000 >Number: 91853 >Category: www >Synopsis: User Groups (Bergisch Gladbach, Germany) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jan 16 02:40:03 GMT 2006 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Oliver Rompcik >Release: 6.0 >Organization: bluefrogs e.V. >Environment: >Description: Bergische Linux- und Unix-Enthusiasten & Freunde offener, gemeinnuetziger Software (bluefrogs) e.V. (Translation: Association of Linux- and Unix-enthusiasts and friends of open, welfare software, Bergisch Gladbach.) Unix and Linux User Group in Bergisch Gladbach (near Cologne), Germany Meetings twice a month We are working with all Open Source Unix derivates: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Linux and others Workshops, Lectures & Talks, Install-Parties Organised as non-profit club (Members pay 1,- Euro per month, meetings are open for members and non-members) Website: http://www.bluefrogs.de/ eMail: info@bluefrogs.de >How-To-Repeat: Plz update the user group section >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 16 11:02:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357C116A427 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:02:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2DC43D4C for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:02:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0GB2mTw085087 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:02:48 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0GB2lcq085081 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:02:47 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:02:47 GMT Message-Id: <200601161102.k0GB2lcq085081@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:02:59 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. 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From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 03:01:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE0516A41F; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:01:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DB843D45; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:01:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jkoshy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0H31ZTT055494; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:01:35 GMT (envelope-from jkoshy@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0H31ZVg055490; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:01:35 GMT (envelope-from jkoshy) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:01:35 GMT From: Joseph Koshy Message-Id: <200601170301.k0H31ZVg055490@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jkoshy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, jkoshy@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/91585: I can't find BSD Users Bangalore user group, which was existed till yesterday X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:01:36 -0000 Synopsis: I can't find BSD Users Bangalore user group, which was existed till yesterday Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->jkoshy Responsible-Changed-By: jkoshy Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jan 17 03:00:51 UTC 2006 Responsible-Changed-Why: Take ownership. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=91585 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 18 12:37:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFCE16A41F for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:37:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike.saunders@futurenet.co.uk) Received: from mail92.messagelabs.com (mail92.messagelabs.com [194.106.220.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C449143D46 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:37:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike.saunders@futurenet.co.uk) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: mike.saunders@futurenet.co.uk X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-92.messagelabs.com!1137587284!17417528!133 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=futurenet.co.uk,-,- X-Originating-IP: [212.113.199.129] Received: (qmail 21831 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2006 12:30:46 -0000 Received: from cust002.trowgw1.router.jpci.net (HELO mailserv) (212.113.199.129) by server-12.tower-92.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2006 12:30:46 -0000 Received: from neon.futurenet.co.uk ([172.18.128.97]) by mailserv.futurenet.co.uk (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0ITA007SBB5Y5S@mailserv.futurenet.co.uk> for www@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:29:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 172.18.201.124 by neon.futurenet.co.uk with ESMTP id 81903401137587335; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:28:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:28:59 +0000 From: Mike Saunders To: www@freebsd.org Message-id: <20060118122859640.00000002532@LXF-MSAUNDERS> Organization: Future Directory MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle Connector for Outlook 9.0.4.2.5 60927 (10.0.6515) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sent-Folder-Path: Sent Items Cc: Subject: BSD daemon usage for magazine X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike.saunders@futurenet.co.uk List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:37:14 -0000 Hello, At Linux Format magazine we're featuring FreeBSD on the coverdisc in an upcoming issue. Marshall Kirk McKusick has given us permission to use the Beastie graphic, but I'd just like to check if this permission ('likeliness') extends to this image: http://www.freebsd.org/gifs/daemon_hammer.jpg Are we OK to use that, given that we have McKusick's permission to use Beastie, or does that image in particular require other rights? Many thanks, Mike -- Mike Saunders New Media Editor Linux Format Magazine www.linuxformat.co.uk This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please reply to this email and then delete it. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Future. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Future accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. 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From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 18 13:40:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F79716A41F for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:40:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pittgoth.com (ns1.pittgoth.com [216.38.206.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B6343D45 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:40:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip68-105-180-11.dc.dc.cox.net [68.105.180.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IEGFfb059659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:16:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:40:21 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: mike.saunders@futurenet.co.uk Message-Id: <20060118084021.60ac4a85.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20060118122859640.00000002532@LXF-MSAUNDERS> References: <20060118122859640.00000002532@LXF-MSAUNDERS> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD daemon usage for magazine X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:40:31 -0000 On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:28:59 +0000 Mike Saunders wrote: > Hello, > > At Linux Format magazine we're featuring FreeBSD on the coverdisc in an upcoming issue. Marshall Kirk McKusick has given us permission to use the Beastie graphic, but I'd just like to check if this permission ('likeliness') extends to this image: > > http://www.freebsd.org/gifs/daemon_hammer.jpg > > Are we OK to use that, given that we have McKusick's permission to use Beastie, or does that image in particular require other rights? > As far as I understand it, reading Kirk's official site, the Beastie image in all forms must have his final say. So I'd say that if he's cool, you're cool. Note: I am not a lawyer, I just see this as accepted practice. Last time I needed to use the Beastie image, I called Kirk and had a nice chat about it. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 18 19:13:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5352316A41F for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:13:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ruben.kerkhof@gmail.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9A743D45 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:12:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ruben.kerkhof@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o2so6904uge for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:12:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qlsh7euaH/hXIKzIR4qUDY4kKvkxSyQfZYw8ym7EFZwGBdBHEXzujtrtNlCaoHynUi8gzjXqYNccWTPg7Q0XLH85t2QGKGHQkPV7Aq7T8r2fiMQAMep7iJXf+3oB3trknzn1RvvFYkWk0VnrrsZ8FYSnAzhdgTk0LoYXQSfi/IE= Received: by 10.49.28.3 with SMTP id f3mr466311nfj; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.43.10 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:12:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:12:57 +0100 From: Ruben Kerkhof To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: link to geocrawler on http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:13:02 -0000 Hi, On http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists is a note which says "The mailing lists (as well as many others) have also been archived by GeoCrawler." with a link to geocrawler next to it. However, it seems that VA Software took over Geocrawler, so all links to mail indexed by Geocrawler now point to http://sourceforge.net. Kind regards, Ruben Kerkhof From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 18 22:10:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F5516A467 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:10:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FF843D49 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:10:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0IMA4k9030333 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:10:04 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0IMA4st030332; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:10:04 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:10:04 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200601182210.k0IMA4st030332@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Jeff Abbott Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F8816A41F for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:08:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DDC43D48 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:08:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0IM8SwE048455 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:08:28 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k0IM8SBv048454; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:08:28 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200601182208.k0IM8SBv048454@www.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:08:28 GMT From: Jeff Abbott To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/91974: Possible Discrepency on Commercial Vendors Page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:10:05 -0000 >Number: 91974 >Category: www >Synopsis: Possible Discrepency on Commercial Vendors Page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jan 18 22:10:04 GMT 2006 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jeff Abbott >Release: N/A >Organization: N/A >Environment: N/A >Description: On the Commercial Vendors page on the web site , there's an entry for Easysoft Ltd. and their ODBC-ODBC Bridge and ODBC-JDBC Bridge product. It says there's a free version available for FreeBSD, but try as I might I can find no such thing on their site. Is the entry on this page referring to their free time-limited trial license? If so, I think this should be made more clear, otherwise more information on where to get the free FreeBSD version would be appreciated. This is a very expensive product, and it fits a solution I need perfectly. We were going to be using Linux for the deployment of over a dozen machines across the continental United States, but if there really is a free license of the ODBC-ODBC Bridge for FreeBSD then I will gladly migrate our entire infrastructure to this OS just for the cost savings in that alone -- the other benefits and features that FreeBSD brings to the table would be icing in the cake! I just wanted to make sure that this entry on the Commercial Vendors page was factual, and if it is some additional pointers on where to obtain the free-for-FreeBSD license would be fantastic. Thank you for your time, Jeff >How-To-Repeat: Visit http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/software.html#Easysoft and read its entry. >Fix: Greater clarity on whether or not there is a free ODBC-ODBC Bridge license for FreeBSD, and additional information on how to obtain one if such a thing is available. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 19 07:00:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D1B16A41F for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:00:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B1D43D45 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:00:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0J70P9a065782 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:00:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0J70PQl065781; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:00:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:00:25 GMT Message-Id: <200601190700.k0J70PQl065781@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: Christian Brueffer Cc: Subject: Re: www/91974: Possible Discrepency on Commercial Vendors Page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Brueffer List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:00:26 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/91974; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Christian Brueffer To: Jeff Abbott Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/91974: Possible Discrepency on Commercial Vendors Page Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:54:23 +0100 --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:08:28PM +0000, Jeff Abbott wrote: >=20 > >Number: 91974 > >Category: www > >Synopsis: Possible Discrepency on Commercial Vendors Page > >Confidential: no > >Severity: non-critical > >Priority: low > >Responsible: freebsd-www > >State: open > >Quarter: =20 > >Keywords: =20 > >Date-Required: > >Class: change-request > >Submitter-Id: current-users > >Arrival-Date: Wed Jan 18 22:10:04 GMT 2006 > >Closed-Date: > >Last-Modified: > >Originator: Jeff Abbott > >Release: N/A > >Organization: > N/A > >Environment: > N/A > >Description: > On the Commercial Vendors page on the web site , there's an entry for Easysoft Ltd. and their ODBC-= ODBC Bridge and ODBC-JDBC Bridge product. It says there's a free version a= vailable for FreeBSD, but try as I might I can find no such thing on their = site. Is the entry on this page referring to their free time-limited trial= license? If so, I think this should be made more clear, otherwise more in= formation on where to get the free FreeBSD version would be appreciated. >=20 > This is a very expensive product, and it fits a solution I need perfectly= =2E We were going to be using Linux for the deployment of over a dozen mac= hines across the continental United States, but if there really is a free l= icense of the ODBC-ODBC Bridge for FreeBSD then I will gladly migrate our e= ntire infrastructure to this OS just for the cost savings in that alone -- = the other benefits and features that FreeBSD brings to the table would be i= cing in the cake! >=20 > I just wanted to make sure that this entry on the Commercial Vendors page= was factual, and if it is some additional pointers on where to obtain the = free-for-FreeBSD license would be fantastic. >=20 > Thank you for your time, > Jeff Well, all the commercial entries were submitted to us in the past, some have been there a long time. Of course some companies have changed their offerings during time, and there is not good way for us to find out. If you really want to make sure they're still offering this FreeBSD version, send them an email. If you do, please let us know the results. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDzzefbHYXjKDtmC0RAmcWAJ9FhnMQnWsYC4Q02uIou0oqRB1MQACePGpX 47+BuYBadDFy3aWRNaT86I8= =FUPe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 19 13:30:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA62B16A41F for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:30:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2420D43D48 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:30:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JDU447094955 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:30:04 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0JDU4ZK094954; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:30:04 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:30:04 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200601191330.k0JDU4ZK094954@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Rudolf Cejka Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269FA16A41F for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:25:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C44543D49 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:25:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0JDPji0003670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:25:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.13.5/8.13.1/Submit) id k0JDPjf6003669; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:25:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cejkar) Message-Id: <200601191325.k0JDPjf6003669@kazi.fit.vutbr.cz> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:25:45 +0100 (CET) From: Rudolf Cejka To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Cc: Subject: www/91995: Typo fix in www/en/ports/searching.sgml X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rudolf Cejka List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:30:05 -0000 >Number: 91995 >Category: www >Synopsis: Typo fix in www/en/ports/searching.sgml >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jan 19 13:30:04 GMT 2006 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rudolf Cejka >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: FIT, Brno University of Technology, Czech Republic >Environment: >Description: Fix for small typo (probably copy&paste bug) in www/en/ports/searching.sgml: --- searching.sgml.orig Thu Jan 19 14:22:18 2006 +++ searching.sgml Thu Jan 19 14:22:26 2006 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ - + %navincludes; >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 19 13:35:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109EF16A422; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:35:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E2B43D45; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:35:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (pav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0JDZ1hM097888; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:35:01 GMT (envelope-from pav@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0JDZ1su097884; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:35:01 GMT (envelope-from pav) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:35:01 GMT From: Pav Lucistnik Message-Id: <200601191335.k0JDZ1su097884@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz, pav@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/91995: Typo fix in www/en/ports/searching.sgml X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:35:02 -0000 Synopsis: Typo fix in www/en/ports/searching.sgml State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: pav State-Changed-When: Thu Jan 19 13:33:50 UTC 2006 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=91995 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 19 19:29:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C777416A41F; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:29:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F37343D45; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:29:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from [192.168.11.32] by shrike.submonkey.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EzfTT-000G7z-PM; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:29:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20060118084021.60ac4a85.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> References: <20060118122859640.00000002532@LXF-MSAUNDERS> <20060118084021.60ac4a85.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-15-477981388" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ceri Davies Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:29:31 +0000 To: Tom Rhodes , obrien@FreeBSD.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Cc: mike.saunders@futurenet.co.uk, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD daemon usage for magazine X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:29:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-15-477981388 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 18 Jan 2006, at 13:40, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:28:59 +0000 > Mike Saunders wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> At Linux Format magazine we're featuring FreeBSD on the coverdisc >> in an upcoming issue. Marshall Kirk McKusick has given us >> permission to use the Beastie graphic, but I'd just like to check >> if this permission ('likeliness') extends to this image: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/gifs/daemon_hammer.jpg >> >> Are we OK to use that, given that we have McKusick's permission to >> use Beastie, or does that image in particular require other rights? >> > > As far as I understand it, reading Kirk's official site, the > Beastie image in all forms must have his final say. So I'd > say that if he's cool, you're cool. I believe that that specific image belongs to us, as in the FreeBSD Project, so it would be under the Documentation License (which basically means that yes, Future can use it - see http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-doc-license.html, which needs updating since it doesn't talk about images at all). However, that's not completely explicit in the commit log. David, you added this image - are you able to shed any light, or do we need to check with Wind River? Ceri PS Mike, if you still have a Lisa Jones working there, tell her I said hello. -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Alice --Apple-Mail-15-477981388 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDz+ibme8yCsQvJJ0RAuKKAJ9vfhGISwLGEJMBXaqbJ/Ykcy/LhgCeKa5m QVxSU2f+Vy8miZPeD6aCRuE= =+3zG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-15-477981388-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 20 17:29:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4A916A41F for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:29:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from liontaur@dslr.net) Received: from mail.dslr.net (mail.dslreports.com [209.123.192.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF99043D46 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:29:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from liontaur@dslr.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dslr.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6707437E9 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.dslr.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (coral.dslreports.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26912-01 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.dslr.net (Postfix, from userid 997) id A2D2A437D0; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (d206-116-45-10.bchsia.telus.net [206.116.45.10]) by mail.dslr.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5AB437E9 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:29:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43D11DDD.6010404@dslr.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:29:01 -0800 From: Liontaur User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dslr.net Cc: Subject: Item for FreeBSD in the Press X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:29:14 -0000 Dru Lavigne did an interview with NewsForge about BSD certification, link is http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/01/13/173233.shtml?tid=35&tid=8 Mark From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 20 20:20:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A23316A422 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:20:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A753F43D49 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:20:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KKK7eH034014 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:20:07 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0KKK70s034013; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:20:07 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:20:07 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200601202020.k0KKK70s034013@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Adam McDougall Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80E516A41F for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:12:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D28D43D45 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:12:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0KKCZ1k097675 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:12:35 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k0KKCZB8097674; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:12:35 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200601202012.k0KKCZB8097674@www.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:12:35 GMT From: Adam McDougall To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/92075: Add motherboard to amd64 supported list X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:20:08 -0000 >Number: 92075 >Category: www >Synopsis: Add motherboard to amd64 supported list >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jan 20 20:20:07 GMT 2006 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Adam McDougall >Release: 6.0-STABLE, Jan 2005 >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD daemon 6.0-STABLE FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE #1: Fri Jan 20 12:30:00 EST 2006 mcdouga9@daemon:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DAEMON-AMD i386 >Description: I would like to add an entry for my recently purchased Tomcat K8E (S2865) ANRF motherboard to http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/amd64/motherboards.html. Manufacturer: Tyan Model: K8E (S2865) ANRF Chipset/socket: nVidia nForce 4 / Socket 939 Submitter: Adam McDougall Link: http://www.egr.msu.edu/~mcdouga9/dmesg.K8E Version: 6.0-STABLE, Jan 2005 Notes: 6.0-RELEASE also seems to work fine but -STABLE has updated gig driver. Tested and working: Onboard primary gigabit (nve driver), PATA (I dont use SATA), USB, Firewire, onboard audio works with snd_ich driver, Geforce 6600GT in PCIe slot. Xorg 6.8 supports the 6600 in amd64 or i386 installs, but only singlehead; use Nvidia's X driver for dualhead and more, but that driver only works with i386 installs for now until FreeBSD has finished PAT support and the Nvidia driver is written to use it. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 20 20:22:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6772F16A41F; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:22:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087D243D48; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:22:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (pav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KKMsRA034162; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:22:54 GMT (envelope-from pav@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0KKMsgJ034158; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:22:54 GMT (envelope-from pav) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:22:54 GMT From: Pav Lucistnik Message-Id: <200601202022.k0KKMsgJ034158@freefall.freebsd.org> To: pav@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, pav@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/92075: Add motherboard to amd64 supported list X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:22:55 -0000 Synopsis: Add motherboard to amd64 supported list Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->pav Responsible-Changed-By: pav Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Jan 20 20:22:46 UTC 2006 Responsible-Changed-Why: Take http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=92075 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 21 03:24:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D9616A41F for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:24:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joseph.koshy@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB0E43D48 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:24:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joseph.koshy@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so412187wxc for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:24:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cxGCb6V5fu06g8k6TxxZdXs+IHnRIapsXnnQwLY1et69gGQpwvd3DRsKHhQM/cY83/idlL+d083RknshZLXXujI7bY8uFOhe7uEPFjYmIia3Ce/65uMLzQlmsLw6hmw4Mj27jHXWHJQbQ6c0i5u0CM/P1WVNTvBP77UWU74ssaM= Received: by 10.70.117.12 with SMTP id p12mr2910839wxc; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:24:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.105.2 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:24:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <84dead720601201924g4b482b0eh2bb8e8dadc1a417e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:54:19 +0530 From: Joseph Koshy To: Liontaur In-Reply-To: <43D11DDD.6010404@dslr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43D11DDD.6010404@dslr.net> Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Item for FreeBSD in the Press X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:24:20 -0000 > Dru Lavigne did an interview with NewsForge about BSD > certification, Thanks for the heads-up. pav@ added this link to the website yesterday. -- FreeBSD Volunteer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy