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From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 18 14:17:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2E716A406 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7224C13C469 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0752084; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:56:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E202083; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:56:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1FAB7545A; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:56:07 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:56:06 +0200 Message-ID: <86slaxlrbd.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:17:30 -0000 The subject refers to an editorial by Radu-Cristian Fotescu, which was published on the author's own website and in The Jem Report: http://beranger.org/feature/sorryfeature.php http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/309/ The article contains several factual errors regarding FreeBSD. I have posted a rebuttal on my blog: http://maycontaintracesofbolts.blogspot.com/2007/04/sorry-state-of-jem-repo= rt.html DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 18 14:46:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C92816A400 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:46:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F5A13C4B9 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:46:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from phobos.samsco.home (phobos.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3IEYo46039135; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:34:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <46262C7C.7020908@samsco.org> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:34:36 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2pre) Gecko/20070111 SeaMonkey/1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <86slaxlrbd.fsf@dwp.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86slaxlrbd.fsf@dwp.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:34:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:46:05 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > The subject refers to an editorial by Radu-Cristian Fotescu, which was > published on the author's own website and in The Jem Report: > > http://beranger.org/feature/sorryfeature.php > http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/309/ > > The article contains several factual errors regarding FreeBSD. I have > posted a rebuttal on my blog: > > http://maycontaintracesofbolts.blogspot.com/2007/04/sorry-state-of-jem-report.html > > DES I'll rebut you're rebuttal =-) You're absolutely correct about feature-based vs time-based being a problem. However, KSE was NOT, I REPEAT NOT, the major nor the second major reason for the FreeBSD 5.x problems. 5.x releases suffered from the following problems that were much larger and much more immediate: - ULE and the modularized scheduler - PREEMPTION - ATA - UFS2 - Immature locking model, too much Giant Now, I'll entertain that the KSE development caused hurt feelings among some developers, but that was a professionalism issue, not a technical issue. I also do agree that M:N is a nice academic theory that has run into real-world roadblocks, and that FreeBSD seems to be better off in the end with 1:1 threads, just like most other OSes. But KSE was a stepping stone to get there; without it, who knows when we would have moved passed libc_r? It was a definitely a painful step, but it would have been much more painful to not have any alternatives to libc_r. I'm glad that the project and certain developers in it had the courage to do it AND to stick with it to resolve the tough problems. Scott From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 18 15:58:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F7316A401 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raistlinmolina@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7443D13C4AE for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raistlinmolina@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r28so178812nza for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:58:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ILYWp8V924wFZK1CXDT5iO5xt8PdXtvzBrGvfOQuFv8mF3T7R95Dp5oFaL3u0Re3kRrZ0DxM7WDw5ffTUijbinGAp57euBVYYFtOIsU5WwqbpwTEszW+mERNOK1PiO/rvCuCKZjWjUDwqKBOFViPTSYaWEPipdJyey2S4DJEFf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Jbzj7lGx7HfyxQ9uijQhZun7N2/7VTDB0mdV9atr/MmCKxpZli98kICsyKLgeU1jNuDqMMRjkSyMEtN0QFOzOq4O5GA9oPro5oo4uHGkm0Hd6o5lfBz9rWVsjV2kALQY75NK8mLG80WxmMZo2QcwcTjzHcZsy1w8xtcq6w1G19c= Received: by 10.114.56.1 with SMTP id e1mr246542waa.1176911518370; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.61.14 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:51:58 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" To: "Scott Long" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86slaxlrbd.fsf@dwp.des.no> <46262C7C.7020908@samsco.org> Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:58:19 -0000 What can be said about a guy that repeats "Our friends, the software patents" in several chapters. -- What is history but a fable agreed upon? 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I've only read the chapter "bugs in the free", it seems to me that this gut is the typical "Security by obscurity", this phrase: "Security fixes are indeed benefiting for having the code in the open, but this also has a price: security advisories are issued more often than ever, as everyone can dig for weaknesses" is very clear, in fact it says that is better to get binary code and trust it. I think that what he does not say is that many development languages are going to the "code once run anywhere" paradigm, via intermediate files runnable under a virtual machine (being Java its maximum exponent) or interpreting ASCII code (ruby, Perl, PHP..........), and what it happens with these languages is that the "closed" application you get is by no means closed to those guys who are capable today of look for weaknesses in open source code. It can be argued that for instance Java classes can be obfuscated but this obfuscation can not stop a determined developer, there are very good tools that let you analyze code, it's true that it will take you more time but it can be done, =BFaren't the drivers for the Intel 3945ABG wifi chipset evolving? =BFhas intel released the specs?. This man is the classical example of corporate guy, can't live if the tools he uses aren't provided by IBM, Oracle, Microsoft............... Maybe he's paid by Microsoft. On 4/18/07, Scott Long wrote: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > > The subject refers to an editorial by Radu-Cristian Fotescu, which was > > published on the author's own website and in The Jem Report: > > > > http://beranger.org/feature/sorryfeature.php > > http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/309/ > > > > The article contains several factual errors regarding FreeBSD. I have > > posted a rebuttal on my blog: > > > > http://maycontaintracesofbolts.blogspot.com/2007/04/sorry-state-of-jem-= report.html > > > > DES > > I'll rebut you're rebuttal =3D-) > > You're absolutely correct about feature-based vs time-based being a > problem. However, KSE was NOT, I REPEAT NOT, the major nor the second > major reason for the FreeBSD 5.x problems. 5.x releases suffered from > the following problems that were much larger and much more immediate: > > - ULE and the modularized scheduler > - PREEMPTION > - ATA > - UFS2 > - Immature locking model, too much Giant > > Now, I'll entertain that the KSE development caused hurt feelings among > some developers, but that was a professionalism issue, not a technical > issue. I also do agree that M:N is a nice academic theory that has run > into real-world roadblocks, and that FreeBSD seems to be better off in > the end with 1:1 threads, just like most other OSes. But KSE was a > stepping stone to get there; without it, who knows when we would have > moved passed libc_r? It was a definitely a painful step, but it would > have been much more painful to not have any alternatives to libc_r. I'm > glad that the project and certain developers in it had the courage to do > it AND to stick with it to resolve the tough problems. > > Scott > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > --=20 What is history but a fable agreed upon? In politics stupidity is not a handicap From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 18 16:18:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A9716A400 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:18:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B693813C469 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:18:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36704207E; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:18:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B802049; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:18:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7244653E4; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:18:33 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?= References: <86slaxlrbd.fsf@dwp.des.no> <46262C7C.7020908@samsco.org> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:18:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Manuel Molina Pascual's message of "Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:51:58 +0200") Message-ID: <86ps61wt9i.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Scott Long , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:18:38 -0000 "Jos=E9 Manuel Molina Pascual" writes: > What can be said about a guy that repeats "Our friends, the software > patents" in several chapters. If you think he favors software patents, you need to read the article again - carefully. He does play the devil's advocate early on, but he comes down squarely against them. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 18 16:21:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C021116A402 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:21:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raistlinmolina@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C59D13C459 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:21:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raistlinmolina@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r28so186262nza for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ArYaIAg/DvemerpQcXgRLMy3Dqb5SmmZERvYgiESfqgdNLBhd5adsN2vEImzoYyyqjUQ/rbLrTP+hDBkCMUhd9JHSBqjuUHbmHwt8H8m81Plx6V2fZPK4pfiKQsb+wrSBF+oA7E9V/mPTvfqswUrkp4r11dMYNA0K8a94NJjJ68= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=E07xmlEg1deIIBDShbp6tUpmy6RUlcpVYFWHgoqZnmuXihb7g8U4m3r7etW0+X7dhnUnfUp2ohdsW+dvdvA3mgA4HNwsxIQ1McShgia/M2rPjYetO/jhZ910S+aOVCn6n9/wNIXrBoK5Hqr2NAHDv4PoCnmWuMeWn6n1GgYQGVc= Received: by 10.114.136.1 with SMTP id j1mr282465wad.1176913294599; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.61.14 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:21:34 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=" In-Reply-To: <86ps61wt9i.fsf@dwp.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <86slaxlrbd.fsf@dwp.des.no> <46262C7C.7020908@samsco.org> <86ps61wt9i.fsf@dwp.des.no> Cc: Scott Long , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:21:37 -0000 Yes, it's true that I've been posting as I was reading, in fact he seems to have good feelings with the *BSD family. Anyway, the chapter "bugs in the free" is a total nonsense. On 4/18/07, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > "Jos=E9 Manuel Molina Pascual" writes: > > What can be said about a guy that repeats "Our friends, the software > > patents" in several chapters. > > If you think he favors software patents, you need to read the article > again - carefully. He does play the devil's advocate early on, but he > comes down squarely against them. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no > --=20 What is history but a fable agreed upon? In politics stupidity is not a handicap From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 18 16:25:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8212A16A401; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from mail.iXsystems.com (newknight.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A6613C48A; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.iXsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9F3BD4A; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.iXsystems.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ixsystems.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 95338-01; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.174] (drawbridge.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.iXsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2DCBE65; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46264071.3040505@iXsystems.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:59:45 -0700 From: Matt Olander User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: BSD + Adobe Flash News Item X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:25:01 -0000 While Adobe hasn't agreed to port Flash to FreeBSD (yet!), they have agreed to re-distribution of the Flash player. I obtained 2 separate re-distribution agreements, one for PC-BSD and one for the FreeBSD Foundation. The lead Flash Product Manager at Adobe, Emmy Huang, who is also a strong open source advocate, was a great help to me getting this far and she will be blogging about this shortly. In the meantime, here's the very simple press release for PC-BSD/Flash: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb519843.htm I won't give up on a native port, but I'm not holding my breathe either. Hopefully, now that we've got the right contacts at Adobe, it will be easier to pursue the port. The more people that can pick this news up in their blogs, the better. Also, if someone can post it to the News section of the FreeBSD site, great! -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 -- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 18 17:34:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156E716A408 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (ns0.blackend.org [82.227.222.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AF713C4B7 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:34:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (gothic.blackend.org [192.168.1.203]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l3IHLUNZ021428; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:21:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3IHLm7E037491; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:21:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@gothic.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l3IHLgr7037490; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:21:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:21:42 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Matt Olander Message-ID: <20070418172142.GA35241@gothic.blackend.org> References: <46264071.3040505@iXsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46264071.3040505@iXsystems.com> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD + Adobe Flash News Item X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:34:56 -0000 On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:59:45AM -0700, Matt Olander wrote: > While Adobe hasn't agreed to port Flash to FreeBSD (yet!), they have > agreed to re-distribution of the Flash player. I obtained 2 separate > re-distribution agreements, one for PC-BSD and one for the FreeBSD > Foundation. > > The lead Flash Product Manager at Adobe, Emmy Huang, who is also a > strong open source advocate, was a great help to me getting this far and > she will be blogging about this shortly. > > In the meantime, here's the very simple press release for PC-BSD/Flash: > http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb519843.htm > Which Flash player version is concerned? 7.X I assume? -- Marc From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 18 17:36:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4609E16A404; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from mail.iXsystems.com (newknight.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2530213C484; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.iXsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F27BE65; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.iXsystems.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ixsystems.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 95943-05; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.174] (drawbridge.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.iXsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C303BE5F; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46265719.6000609@iXsystems.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:36:25 -0700 From: Matt Olander User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Fonvieille References: <46264071.3040505@iXsystems.com> <20070418172142.GA35241@gothic.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20070418172142.GA35241@gothic.blackend.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD + Adobe Flash News Item X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:36:30 -0000 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:59:45AM -0700, Matt Olander wrote: >> While Adobe hasn't agreed to port Flash to FreeBSD (yet!), they have >> agreed to re-distribution of the Flash player. I obtained 2 separate >> re-distribution agreements, one for PC-BSD and one for the FreeBSD >> Foundation. >> >> The lead Flash Product Manager at Adobe, Emmy Huang, who is also a >> strong open source advocate, was a great help to me getting this far and >> she will be blogging about this shortly. >> >> In the meantime, here's the very simple press release for PC-BSD/Flash: >> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb519843.htm >> > > Which Flash player version is concerned? 7.X I assume? 7 and 9, and I believe there's a clause for future versions until we're notified otherwise but it's been so long since I reviewed the agreement, I'll have to go back over it. Adobe has an entire process in place to get agreements signed, and it's not exactly fast. -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 -- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 19 01:47:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E5A16A403 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:47:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F077F13C4BA for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:47:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l3J1WiDo014750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:32:51 +0300 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3J1WNA8038962; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:32:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l3J1WMtp038961; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:32:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:32:22 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Matt Olander Message-ID: <20070419013222.GA38826@kobe.laptop> References: <46264071.3040505@iXsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46264071.3040505@iXsystems.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.521, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.68, BAYES_00 -2.60, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD + Adobe Flash News Item X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:47:20 -0000 On 2007-04-18 08:59, Matt Olander wrote: > While Adobe hasn't agreed to port Flash to FreeBSD (yet!), they have > agreed to re-distribution of the Flash player. I obtained 2 separate > re-distribution agreements, one for PC-BSD and one for the FreeBSD > Foundation. > > The lead Flash Product Manager at Adobe, Emmy Huang, who is also a > strong open source advocate, was a great help to me getting this far and > she will be blogging about this shortly. > > In the meantime, here's the very simple press release for PC-BSD/Flash: > http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb519843.htm > > I won't give up on a native port, but I'm not holding my breathe either. > Hopefully, now that we've got the right contacts at Adobe, it will be > easier to pursue the port. > > The more people that can pick this news up in their blogs, the better. > Also, if someone can post it to the News section of the FreeBSD site, great! Posted ... http://keramida.wordpress.com/2007/04/19/flash-support-for-bsd-step-1/ Many thanks to iXsystems for getting this going :-) - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 20 02:06:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5516016A404 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beranger5ca@yahoo.ca) Received: from web57705.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57705.mail.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.236.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E890E13C46E for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:05:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beranger5ca@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 7808 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2007 01:39:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2mCsNmhZMoD38DGZLHvVkkh/hDwKZIh7beWrPrJO2KXWXpSer0pE+55lwdrB87udD4ZivMRdgc1aNelbJebtZaGTRcvToSMZKuFIE+RFk3yWP2PGDlfQod4PomNWEx3kgfK0pQgNa3TSMXE6vH4/F413sFGbWPitrUB+uELf/lw=; X-YMail-OSG: XvntkDgVM1l2w64WzdfNYC70I014U.eKqdS1jxm.qlOMK3NlMV0g9GgTtEaws_dqrxSjqnFcnLQW.23HgaA0LqxZz9e0WFYcNROpYCD98aeh0SWp1L21o4fygMwxRnUP4XhptnnCxkFEkigd31T1KFoQYw-- Received: from [89.123.37.158] by web57705.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:39:16 EDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:39:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <645737.6679.qm@web57705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:06:00 -0000 Really, folks, what makes you so aggressive?! I was hurt, and disappointed. I was having higher expectations from the FreeBSD guys. http://beranger.org/index.php?article=2858 R-C Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 20 02:26:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A5916A408 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from mail.iXsystems.com (newknight.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA08013C4B9 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.iXsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B708ABE65; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.iXsystems.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ixsystems.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07763-06; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.174] (drawbridge.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.65]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.iXsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3275BE63; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <462824B6.7060109@iXsystems.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:25:58 -0700 From: Matt Olander User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU References: <645737.6679.qm@web57705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <645737.6679.qm@web57705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:26:04 -0000 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > Really, folks, what makes you so aggressive?! > > I was hurt, and disappointed. I was having higher expectations from the > FreeBSD guys. > > http://beranger.org/index.php?article=2858 > > R-C Hi R-C, You have definitely blogged an interesting piece! I hardly think that Dag's coherent rebuttal regarding a few points he disagrees with and a readers mail to advocacy@, while digesting your article, demonstrate how aggressive FreeBSD developers can be, as you state in that post. It seems more like legitimate debate going on to me ;-) FYI, the FreeBSD Foundation has not yet signed off on the Flash re-distribution agreement with Adobe and there is no guarantee that they will. While I don't see any strong reasons why it shouldn't be signed, installing Flash on FreeBSD is painless and there might not be a great deal of reasons to change the way the system currently works. best, -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 -- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 20 03:11:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C533016A402 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pittgoth.com (pittgoth.com [205.134.163.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787E513C46C for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (net-ix.gw.ai.net [205.134.160.6]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3K2WHR3043517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:32:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:31:44 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU Message-Id: <20070419223144.7c41d668.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <645737.6679.qm@web57705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <645737.6679.qm@web57705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:11:28 -0000 On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: Hi! > Really, folks, what makes you so aggressive?! > > I was hurt, and disappointed. I was having higher expectations from the > FreeBSD guys. > > http://beranger.org/index.php?article=2858 > > R-C I wouldn't take DES' comments to be that aggressive or take much offense to them. After reading over some of the emails and his comments, in most cases it seemed more that he was pointing out that the Foundation isn't in control of the FreeBSD Project. This is true. There is, of course, a chance I missed a comment that was offensive. And if so, I'm sorry that it was missed; however, you need to understand that you acted like a reporter. You placed yourself in a position as a "public figure" and in a situation where people might disagree with what you had to say. Not everyone will like it. Not everyone will agree with you. It's true that the negative attention will of course be noticed much quicker and easier than the positive - that's just life. Furthermore, not to further offend you, I read the name of your article: "The sorry state of open source today" as more anti-open source comments from Microsoft drones and was a little unhappy until DES pointed out what it really was. Just take the good with the bad and just move on, you should have expected a mix of positive and negative reactions. Thanks, -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 20 07:11:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8C616A403 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beranger5ca@yahoo.ca) Received: from web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.236.77]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ABAE13C4BE for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beranger5ca@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 42950 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2007 07:11:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Fd5yucbhpNntl7H3JXK1Sf/XDwmXdzKW0HBKRVaOysFtT9KW3skm2L/8xnvdeEEpGahZ11Ksury3pvFvCSHWM3BcL2Hsl2fkNuxWHeqX2+h5Ny6FAaCt3gEpc1k1Lz8dr9KtF3pShHAvtrSH7GeL1IIvjWsI2DsXtCmFI1gyMho=; X-YMail-OSG: RXqZAIMVM1mfyBcu.1Y3yYp9JfQzkWDpaZvwd1QovRPpM1JnG.V5vjKPdi.MDtWqBGXhvjGfT8fP95r3JFf8nlGWEpyhzhUJ3dZEkAsxf3W_L4HuwOcdUUV0Mwd6QhoBkn_LN4_R8H77ODPJFhP0PvC9UA-- Received: from [193.201.44.15] by web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:11:38 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU To: Matt Olander In-Reply-To: <462824B6.7060109@iXsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <422207.42752.qm@web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:11:39 -0000 --- Matt Olander wrote: > > It seems more like legitimate debate going on to me ;-) Legitimate, granted. But I was hurt by the way he has put things. Imagine how it is to have a blog with almost 2,900 posts written by me since Aug. 12, 2005. This makes an average of 4.6 posts/day. From the 4,230 comments posted by readers over the time, some of them were very offensive (hundreds), but just figure it that I had to reject hundreds of _very_ offensive comments. I must be tired and writing such a polemical `feature' (essay) in 3 days was exhausting. I was then very much surprised to see that the most coherent attack (on both me and Jem -- `The sorry state of The Jem Report', remember?) is coming from a FreeBSD developer. > FYI, the FreeBSD Foundation has not yet signed off Well, with or without the Flash agreement, 99.999% of the users will find their way. Thanks for your clarifications, R-C Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 20 07:19:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CF716A401 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beranger5ca@yahoo.ca) Received: from web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.236.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 556E013C480 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beranger5ca@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 68983 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2007 07:19:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Fqpw+vh3hXlXMjeZSrnw+cw5reHwTjl+6CvFCRACmuKT/N3oEIsCRtewLquMfC3VKCO1R3oelKinbjI+kosO48rJbrrh6MWewmXi6vyNe0s3EudyJ8TXgP1+IUerTVnoOMsQSNgE2y72skK/85LPAYkbdIBWTJoQdA4MeEIIuZQ=; X-YMail-OSG: dz9zIZAVM1nQQAae13xBEPSV9ikNx18A.L_4ptaXilmMSrbK.RFToNBxckyQ0L0v8Ax.ffEIbN0LJL0Z275M9ZWiErsEUBOI_vxNeFBlDDTy6t6evgsLrnfIRQ_lLA-- Received: from [193.201.44.15] by web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:19:25 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU To: Tom Rhodes In-Reply-To: <20070419223144.7c41d668.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <833273.68226.qm@web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:19:26 -0000 --- Tom Rhodes wrote: > > have expected a mix of positive and negative reactions. Absolutely. But I have never said a word on the "control" -- what's this obsession on the control?! Are you so unhappy about NetBSD being _controlled_ by TNF, that you really, really must to assert your independence?! It was only about the legal issues. While a developer or the abstract entity that is the Project may not be liable (or rather they are liable, but can't be reliably sued if the developers are outside the U.S.), I am afraid the Foundation is still an American subject, and all the possible attacks on the Project will be directed to the Foundation, from the legal standpoint. You can't imagine how many injurious comments from Linux fanboys I had to delete, for just using about *BSD some words I can't reproduce here. This is sad. I feel like I was seen as an "enemy", or as someone who said that the Project is "captive and controlled". I am not your enemy, I never was, and -- while I agree I could not afford to allocate more space for *BSD, hence what I wrote about FreeBSD is highly condensed -- I know what I have wrote not. Thanks, R-C Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 20 07:56:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED30716A406 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:56:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pittgoth.com (pittgoth.com [205.134.163.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9921A13C448 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:56:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (net-ix.gw.ai.net [205.134.160.6]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3K7vIPG084937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:57:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:56:44 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU Message-Id: <20070420035644.3c942b3b.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <833273.68226.qm@web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20070419223144.7c41d668.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <833273.68226.qm@web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:56:57 -0000 On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > --- Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > have expected a mix of positive and negative reactions. > > Absolutely. But I have never said a word on the "control" -- what's this > obsession on the control?! Are you so unhappy about NetBSD being _controlled_ > by TNF, that you really, really must to assert your independence?! What was it that you said then? I actually cannot remember. But I am probably the last person who ever needs to assert their independence. :) > > It was only about the legal issues. While a developer or the abstract entity > that is the Project may not be liable (or rather they are liable, but can't > be reliably sued if the developers are outside the U.S.), I am afraid the > Foundation is still an American subject, and all the possible attacks on the > Project will be directed to the Foundation, from the legal standpoint. I'm not a lawyer and won't discuss the legal points of who can be sued for what reason etc. > > You can't imagine how many injurious comments from Linux fanboys I had to > delete, for just using about *BSD some words I can't reproduce here. Trust me, I've been to a multi-state Linux event. My imagination is pretty good from that stand point. Otherwise, parsing your last sentence here is a bit difficult. > > This is sad. I feel like I was seen as an "enemy", or as someone who said > that the Project is "captive and controlled". I am not your enemy, I never > was, and -- while I agree I could not afford to allocate more space for *BSD, > hence what I wrote about FreeBSD is highly condensed -- I know what I have > wrote not. It's better than being "an hero" to be honest. Anyway, just smile, nod, move on. You wrote an article. The title alone is enough to get oss advocates up in arms, you were a public figure for a week, yay, just let it go. I know it hurts, it sucks, but not everyone was negative about it. Next time write about dogs if you don't want all the attention. ;) -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 20 08:08:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE9C16A403 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beranger5ca@yahoo.ca) Received: from web57704.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57704.mail.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.236.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B79A213C465 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beranger5ca@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 64705 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2007 08:08:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=k8cRj59WRFo8Vh2AcOM8Q0KC4hZXocob93G0Rwb8jRpSHOTx3ypj+3DtS/sLmi7LY3qJSNSnbGTm/tXOxgXlt1bEtvfwdcPAdNm7Suz3KmbJ5Jb3hhurnqgtQqrvrm494lQmC8/98w/t/lpV5tViURtyzTYDCG/08S0FQYKowxs=; X-YMail-OSG: gCDvvA0VM1nP9XWtrjBUA1ZkJThPXYCd4f3_jWY2xEtXQ1G2osPMiJdVmA8LpAlk60u_wfh.JYmWwniem8jKz2E7AxWhQHI4KkFLt7F3myQHnGGRrInkc54bpuZZ_H8W.VrbUT7croeoaDH5kV5qpFV6 Received: from [193.201.44.15] by web57704.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:08:05 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:08:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU To: Tom Rhodes In-Reply-To: <20070420035644.3c942b3b.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <937393.64429.qm@web57704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:08:07 -0000 --- Tom Rhodes wrote: > What was it that you said then? I actually cannot remember. Page 7: "Except for the *BSD family, whose members are either _*_backed_*_ by 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations like The FreeBSD Foundation or the NetBSD Project, or the task of individuals like Theo de Raadt for OpenBSD and Matt Dillon for DragonFly BSD (by the way, your donations to either of them are appreciated), the 500+ Linux distributions fall roughly into two main categories: the vast majority of the distributions are made by the enthusiasts, for the enthusiasts, and a given number of them are mainstream distros, supposed to be trustworthy and polished enough to satisfy both the corporate-minded user and the home user." Backed != controlled. > Next time write > about dogs if you don't want all the attention. ;) Nay, because I love cats, and guess who is a cat lover too? ;-) OK, moving on, I am back to better feelings now. The next week I have to migrate my home Linux installations to FreeBSD and NetBSD. I have four different Linhooks distros currently. Cheers, R-C Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 20 15:50:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7618516A401 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:50:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0010213C459 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:50:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3KFoPZK019063; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:50:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:27:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <937393.64429.qm@web57704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <937393.64429.qm@web57704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704201127.09489.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:50:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/3139/Fri Apr 20 10:18:00 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Tom Rhodes Subject: Re: The sorry state of open source today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:50:28 -0000 On Friday 20 April 2007 04:08:05 am Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > --- Tom Rhodes wrote: > > What was it that you said then? I actually cannot remember. > > Page 7: "Except for the *BSD family, whose members are either _*_backed_*_ by > 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations like The FreeBSD Foundation or the NetBSD > Project, or the task of individuals like Theo de Raadt for OpenBSD and Matt > Dillon for DragonFly BSD (by the way, your donations to either of them are > appreciated), the 500+ Linux distributions fall roughly into two main > categories: the vast majority of the distributions are made by the > enthusiasts, for the enthusiasts, and a given number of them are mainstream > distros, supposed to be trustworthy and polished enough to satisfy both the > corporate-minded user and the home user." > > Backed != controlled. Hmm, I think even "backed" might be a bit strong in the case of FF. FF provides some assistance to FreeBSD such as sponsoring some development work (such as on Java) or travel vouchers for conferences, but they aren't the only ones doing that either. Many companies also provide similar support to the FreeBSD project by employing or contracting developers, submitting code back to the project, donating hardware and colo space, etc. I would still say that a significant chunk of work done on FreeBSD is done w/o any involvement from the FF at all (that is, not done on hardware donated to the FF by other parties, or sponsored by the FF, or done at conferences while being subsidized by FF travel grant, etc.). Arguably, FreeBSD was "backed" more by the old WC-CDROM folks than anyone, certainly more than what the FF currently has done to date. (Note: none of this is meant as a rip on the FF at all, just as observations of current practice.) -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 21 13:46:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A0116A400 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:46:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guevenbay@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de (fmmailgate04.web.de [217.72.192.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DD613C43E for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:46:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guevenbay@web.de) Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B2461818124 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:46:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [80.132.158.73] by freemailng1603.web.de with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:46:40 +0200 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:46:40 +0200 Message-Id: <1749790435@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gueven Bay To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Precedence: fm-user Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-------------11771632005234298090" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: LPI port to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:46:43 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=-------------11771632005234298090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to all, As I already wrote some time ago I am porting the Linux Professional Institute certifications to FreeBSD. I wrote some docbook documents in which I began to include the "ported" objectives of the certifications. I am now in the middle of Exam102. I send with this mail the little directory with the docbook and already processed html files. Please, help me to make it complete and correct the objectives for the FreeBSD theme. Thank you. regards Gueven _______________________________________________________________ SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell und kostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192 --=-------------11771632005234298090-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 21 15:02:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1573116A40A for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:02:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guevenbay@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de (fmmailgate05.web.de [217.72.192.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D454813C4BF for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:02:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guevenbay@web.de) Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 9449A1532AB2 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:02:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [80.132.158.73] by freemailng1602.web.de with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:02:28 +0200 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:02:28 +0200 Message-Id: <1749903054@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gueven Bay To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Precedence: fm-user Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LPI port to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:02:30 -0000 > Hello to all, > > As I already wrote some time ago I am porting the Linux Professional Institute certifications to FreeBSD. > I wrote some docbook documents in which I began to include the "ported" objectives of the certifications. > I am now in the middle of Exam102. > > I send with this mail the little directory with the docbook and already processed html files. > > Please, help me to make it complete and correct the objectives for the FreeBSD theme. As it seems that the attached file is not receiving you I just uploaded the file and send you here the link: http://rapidshare.com/files/27161539/lpiport.tar.gz.html http://rapidshare.com/files/27161846/lpiport.tar.gz.md5.html http://rapidshare.com/files/27161922/lpiport.tar.gz.sha512.html Okay, I hope now you can get it. _______________________________________________________________ SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell und kostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192