From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 15:00:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADE116A417 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@b2.datasieve.net) Received: from b2.datasieve.net (b2.datasieve.net [208.83.220.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042DE13C447 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@b2.datasieve.net) Received: from b2.datasieve.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by b2.datasieve.net (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id lAJEfn3f087864 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:41:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg@b2.datasieve.net) Received: (from greg@localhost) by b2.datasieve.net (8.13.4/8.13.3/Submit) id lAJEfiMF087863 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:41:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:41:44 -0800 From: "Gregory W. MacPherson" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071119144144.GB87796@netpublishing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.1i (2003-03-19) Cc: Subject: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Gregory W. MacPherson" List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:00:48 -0000 Perhaps if the *BSD community would mirror some of these behaviors then *BSD (which technically is superior to an LINUX) would receive this type of press. Perhaps...but not likely. -- Greg ----- Forwarded message from InfoSec News ----- Mark Shuttleworth founder of the Ubuntu Project CIO November 16, 2007 Ubuntu is the darling of the Linux desktop space. Voted No. 16 in PC World's Top 100 Products for 2007 and now coming as an option for Dell users straight out of the box, this Linux distribution is increasingly deployed on corporate networks. With a free server edition, a professional support organization and a growing band of enthusiasts in and around the IT divisions of enterprises, there are many reasons to consider Ubuntu when looking for a Linux solution. Here are the top 10 reasons why Ubuntu is best for enterprise use. 1. Users Love It Ubuntu has made ease of use a priority. Deploying Linux desktops across the enterprise was often seen as challenging for users who would balk at using command shells. Ubuntu brings a fresh but familiar GUI environment to the Linux desktop experience. Standard applications, easy Web and wireless access, reasonable resource requirements???the user experience with Ubuntu is reassuringly straightforward and predictable for typical tasks. 2. The Platform Has Excellent Support For those who want commercial support, Canonical offers 24/7 and 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. support contracts for servers and desktops with strong SLAs. There is also a global ecosystem of solution providers who work with Ubuntu, and a very large community of developers and enthusiasts who will often help to resolve issues online, free of charge. 3. Cost Savings Many CIOs have already deployed Linux as a cost-effective replacement for UNIX. But Ubuntu goes further, eliminating per-seat license costs entirely, on both the desktop and the server, and allowing enterprise deployments of identical code on developer workstations and production servers with no license counting required. Companies can purchase support contracts for the classes of machines where they actually want access to SLA-based support, rather than being forced to pay a per-seat cost for every machine regardless of its support requirement. 4. A Superlative Security Record Security is a top priority for Ubuntu, which has been rated No. 1 for security update quality and responsiveness in recent studies. Security updates are freely available to all users of Ubuntu, with no subscription required. Ubuntu is also conservative with updates; every change made to the operating system or to the base applications is peer reviewed for security. And of course, being an open source platform, Ubuntu inherits the positive security characteristics of Linux in general. 5. Frictionless Deployment Whether on the desktop, the server or through a thin client, Ubuntu is extremely easy to deploy. Single-disk deployment of a functioning system in half an hour means there is no delay or difficulty in getting users up and running. Also, since there are no license fees, there is no reason to have different environments for testing, development and production, and companies find they can move new infrastructure into place much more efficiently. 6. A Huge Selection of Applications and Tools There are more than 20,000 packages immediately available to Ubuntu users. These include the largest selection of open-source tools and a growing list of proprietary solutions. With Ubuntu, you can pick and choose the packages that make sense for your organization and build a specific system for your company. Ubuntu is not a one-size-fits-all proposition; companies routinely develop their own in-house system images, which include additional tools and configurations that are appropriate for integration into their networks. Of course, the default Ubuntu installation is a commonsense starting point that meets the needs of most system administrators and office workers. 7. Thin Client Joy Thin-client deployments have dramatically lower TCO than traditional workstation-style software deployments. Ubuntu is a leader in thin-client technology, supporting more thin-client architectures than any other enterprise version of Linux. With the Web browser fast becoming the de facto standard interface to internal corporate applications, thin-client deployments offer significant advantages to companies building out new offices. Think of a call center environment with multiple stations talking to the same Web-based booking application. With Ubuntu, a central server can run the desktop environment for up to 30 users, making upgrades and maintenance a matter of maintaining a single server or cluster. 8. Unleash Your IT Talent Open source and free software is built on participation, community and collaboration. With Ubuntu, your IT team has extraordinary visibility into the design and engineering behind the operating system and has the opportunity to reshape that infrastructure to suit your needs better. Increasingly, corporations who use free software like Ubuntu encourage their IT staff to work directly with the developers of the tools they use. It's the most empowering opportunity you can present to your teams and will produce returns in better software, more motivated staff and improved skill levels within the organization. 9. Access A Whole New Skills Pool Companies like Google make heavy use of free software and recruit talent from the free software community, too. Many top IT graduates today list the ability to work with free software as a significant factor in their choice of employer. Companies that have good insight into the free software world and use Linux in appropriate ways are able to attract those graduates and offer them a more productive work environment. 10. Predictable Releases Ubuntu makes a new release every six months, which includes full support for the latest hardware and free software applications. Those releases are maintained with free security updates for 18 months. Every two to three years, Ubuntu makes a Long Term Support release which is supported for three years on desktops and five years on servers. Upgrades from release to release are fully supported and can often be automated. Organizations have the freedom to choose the optimal mix of cutting-edge and long-term releases for their needs. With such compelling reasons, how can you go wrong with Ubuntu? -=- Mark Shuttleworth is founder of the Ubuntu Project, an enterprise Linux distribution that is freely available worldwide and has both cutting-edge desktop and enterprise server editions. He founded Thawte, a company specializing in digital certificates and cryptography, which he sold to VeriSign in 1999, and founded HBD Venture Capital and The Shuttleworth Foundation. He also flew in space as a cosmonaut member of the crew of Soyuz mission TM34 to the International Space Station. ?? 2007 CXO Media Inc. __________________________________________________________________ Visit InfoSec News http://www.infosecnews.org/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Gregory W. MacPherson Global Network Exploitation Specialist, CISSP http://www.netpublishing.com/greg/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 16:43:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D627D16A46E for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from c-0500.emailmediator.com (c-0500.emailmediator.com [64.85.162.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB9813C457 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pool-71-170-114-32.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([71.170.114.32] helo=reedmedia.net) by c-0500.emailmediator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Iu94v-0007B6-89; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:02:29 -0500 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 28472-1195488146; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:02:27 -0600 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:02:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: "Gregory W. MacPherson" In-Reply-To: <20071119144144.GB87796@netpublishing.com> Message-ID: References: <20071119144144.GB87796@netpublishing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:43:22 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Gregory W. MacPherson wrote: > Perhaps if the *BSD community would mirror some of these behaviors then > *BSD (which technically is superior to an LINUX) would receive this type > of press. Perhaps...but not likely. Let's discuss this here... My comments below. I remove the original content since I don't have permission to redistribute it. > 1. Users Love It FreeBSD doesn't offer a "fresh but familiar GUI environment" like Ubuntu in its default install. Different ouside projects compete to do this with different goals. > 2. The Platform Has Excellent Support No single company backs FreeBSD and there is no official source of commercial FreeBSD support contracts. (By the way, I have been providing professional FreeBSD contracts and support for over seven years.) > 3. Cost Savings Of course FreeBSD is free. As for SLA, see #2 above. > 4. A Superlative Security Record What studies? How can FreeBSD be evaluated by same studies? (Or has it?) FreeBSD can say same (s/Linux/BSD Unix/). > 5. Frictionless Deployment Depends on your needs. FreeBSD installs very fast and easy for many needs. For other needs, it is very slow and tedious (depending on knowledge/experience). See #1. Also this makes no sense to me. Different environments for testing, development and production to me usually has nothing to do with license fees. > 6. A Huge Selection of Applications and Tools FreeBSD also has huge collection of packages. In Ubuntu (Debian) many software suites are divided up into multiple packages (clients, servers, development headers, shared libraries, documentation, etc.). FreeBSD's default install is very light so is a good starting point for many. > 7. Thin Client Joy FreeBSD can be a thin client and can be a thin client server. > 8. Unleash Your IT Talent FreeBSD is open source and free and has community participation and collaboration. The source code and documentation changes can easily be evaluated. > 9. Access A Whole New Skills Pool ? > 10. Predictable Releases Many like a consistent schedule for new releases. FreeBSD also has policies on how long to maintain previous releases. Note that FreeBSD base and ports have different update policies. Depending on how FreeBSD updates are done, it can be easy. Jeremy C. Reed From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 20 22:00:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0BB16A419 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdavtaker@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E1C13C448 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdavtaker@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so7183559pyb for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:00:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2np9cb2aQliSB25L7SIHHL8lszM6k+Yc536KFJl9gbo=; b=QiipDTmkZfZU0iZ0WcPFcWIYg5VPeMMgY0HzygLzyRizOv66uK8I+I30qS7CS6EXJ5oav29g14rsgcgNk7+11buTSaqatKFVQcXrO+FI/vJCVYjVYBO/lmC/3QBqINmpTf+Y1AZNEyFOAkQV+qoAlCcyC6HJTzdQKi6Z2+eH1jE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=S5e/MtXR+UhxUovnpyE01HQQJT/bcHtsJ/zEOUlvw7wJHkbDfHg/JQ0zmmQ66ISOheNKs5C62WfQ3+4Yh2IPQVMiJA3ZWsM4jvHOZA+9/z1YUO85pEi8Yq2yP1bWZC8QQYfR2dUcIGC2YOcpj1et7krG/NszvhiAJT4VwYKCaio= Received: by 10.65.74.9 with SMTP id b9mr15146928qbl.1195594569015; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [190.18.36.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e14sm5087570qbe.2007.11.20.13.36.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:36:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47435348.7050109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:36:08 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sd=E4vtaker?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20071120120010.0366E16A47D@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20071120120010.0366E16A47D@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:00:55 -0000 freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org escribi=F3: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Gregory W. MacPherson wrote: >> > Perhaps if the *BSD community would mirror some of these behaviors t= hen >> > *BSD (which technically is superior to an LINUX) would receive this = type >> > of press. Perhaps...but not likely. >=20 > Let's discuss this here... My comments below. I remove the original=20 > content since I don't have permission to redistribute it. I will add some comments... >> > 1. Users Love It >=20 > FreeBSD doesn't offer a "fresh but familiar GUI environment" like Ubunt= u=20 > in its default install. Different ouside projects compete to do this wi= th=20 > different goals. I tried it, i didnt love it... Actually, it only ran in 1 PC at my=20 office, all others said "segmentation fault, kernel panic" because Via=20 micros are not supported (We got those in the desktops to save money...).= >> > 2. The Platform Has Excellent Support >=20 > No single company backs FreeBSD and there is no official source of=20 > commercial FreeBSD support contracts. (By the way, I have been providin= g=20 > professional FreeBSD contracts and support for over seven years.) There is no companies to Back FreeBSD, but there is a lot of people=20 backing *BSD projects and giving *BSD paid support. Plus, you got some big communities of mailling lists and stuff to ask. >> > 3. Cost Savings >=20 > Of course FreeBSD is free. As for SLA, see #2 above. As I see it, FreeBSD is even more free than Ubuntu since the BSD=20 license, I code all my projects under that kind of license, no=20 restrictions on the coding merge, GNU is too imperialist, "one day=20 everything will be GNU, becouse we got a damn recursive license" >> > 4. A Superlative Security Record >=20 > What studies? How can FreeBSD be evaluated by same studies? (Or has it?= ) >=20 > FreeBSD can say same (s/Linux/BSD Unix/). I wasnt going to reply this mail until i had read this one, oh man, i=20 couldnt contain my laugh!!!! Linux based distribution rated number one on security? did u try do the=20 test with OpenBSD, DragonFly or even Darwin? come on... Who was in that test? windows, linux and BeOS(not mantained since 5=20 years ago)? >> > 5. Frictionless Deployment >=20 > Depends on your needs. FreeBSD installs very fast and easy for many nee= ds.=20 > For other needs, it is very slow and tedious (depending on=20 > knowledge/experience). See #1. >=20 > Also this makes no sense to me. Different environments for testing,=20 > development and production to me usually has nothing to do with license= =20 > fees. Only thing becouse it is cheapa is becouse they dont code it, it is a=20 big bag with a lot of softwares from other projects, a big config setup=20 and a bootable CD, you can run PCBSD and you will have something like=20 that too. >> > 6. A Huge Selection of Applications and Tools >=20 > FreeBSD also has huge collection of packages. In Ubuntu (Debian) many=20 > software suites are divided up into multiple packages (clients, servers= ,=20 > development headers, shared libraries, documentation, etc.). >=20 > FreeBSD's default install is very light so is a good starting point for= =20 > many. What operating system doesnt have it? Minix? >> > 7. Thin Client Joy >=20 > FreeBSD can be a thin client and can be a thin client server. Cool you got an X-server... who doesnt? >> > 8. Unleash Your IT Talent >=20 > FreeBSD is open source and free and has community participation and=20 > collaboration. The source code and documentation changes can easily be = > evaluated. >=20 >> > 9. Access A Whole New Skills Pool ? Oh I see... They talking about linux coming to free the world... Just propaganda. >> > 10. Predictable Releases >=20 > Many like a consistent schedule for new releases. FreeBSD also has=20 > policies on how long to maintain previous releases. Note that FreeBSD b= ase=20 > and ports have different update policies. Depending on how FreeBSD=20 > updates are done, it can be easy. 100% agree. > Jeremy C. Reed Damian From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 21 00:55:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB54516A41B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnsanchez@wait4.org) Received: from sumo.dreamhost.com (sumo.dreamhost.com [66.33.216.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FF613C459 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnsanchez@wait4.org) Received: from spunkymail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-83.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.83]) by sumo.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16ADC18CEE3 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sauron.lan.box (201-89-137-87.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [201.89.137.87]) by spunkymail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0028E252A for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:23:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:22:50 -0200 From: Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez To: advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20071120152250.b71b999b.rnsanchez@wait4.org> Organization: SYS_WAIT4 X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: FYI: customized FreeBSD for 10GbE monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:55:59 -0000 Just received this URL from a friend: http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2007/11/15/niksun-announces-new-10-gigabit-ethernet-monitoring-solution/ Quite cool. -- Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez rnsanchez@wait4.org Powered by FreeBSD "Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse." From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 21 03:27:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5005E16A418 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:27:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blabgoo@yahoo.com) Received: from web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B36D13C48E for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:27:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blabgoo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21698 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2007 03:00:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jmP97YHijxbomNFGyQ94bsrp98LCjNpPMtBi0OdRbxf0t/6MX/AGyTLSZ5Tr4emLQ+8zifVwSkjnad2zKJgZV8IY3svPK5ItmLu9Fh8bD8gSZzwiZYnrB0GCWl29VZCyPcoVfDd2D4mAHU1/tEQjGjHsxZHkR8OjZJ2cB0+ypBw=; X-YMail-OSG: JEkfuNIVM1l00yWkkvUMVPxX319Ma_CE7WEGAGCAHe7SRg6SaIGQPOXjRA_MmvGuaLUsto.AYA-- Received: from [67.112.21.27] by web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:00:47 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:00:47 -0800 (PST) From: Nicole To: "Sdävtaker" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <47435348.7050109@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <948418.17361.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:27:29 -0000 --- Sdävtaker wrote: > freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org escribió: > > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Gregory W. MacPherson wrote: > >> > Perhaps if the *BSD community would mirror some of these > behaviors then > >> > *BSD (which technically is superior to an LINUX) would receive > this type > >> > of press. Perhaps...but not likely. > > > > Let's discuss this here... My comments below. I remove the original > > > content since I don't have permission to redistribute it. > > I will add some comments... > > >> > 1. Users Love It > > > > FreeBSD doesn't offer a "fresh but familiar GUI environment" like > Ubuntu > > in its default install. Different ouside projects compete to do > this with > > different goals. > > > I tried it, i didnt love it... Actually, it only ran in 1 PC at my > office, all others said "segmentation fault, kernel panic" because > Via > micros are not supported (We got those in the desktops to save > money...). > > > >> > 2. The Platform Has Excellent Support > > > > No single company backs FreeBSD and there is no official source of > > commercial FreeBSD support contracts. (By the way, I have been > providing > > professional FreeBSD contracts and support for over seven years.) > > There is no companies to Back FreeBSD, but there is a lot of people > backing *BSD projects and giving *BSD paid support. > Plus, you got some big communities of mailling lists and stuff to > ask. > > >> > 3. Cost Savings > > > > Of course FreeBSD is free. As for SLA, see #2 above. > > As I see it, FreeBSD is even more free than Ubuntu since the BSD > license, I code all my projects under that kind of license, no > restrictions on the coding merge, GNU is too imperialist, "one day > everything will be GNU, becouse we got a damn recursive license" > > >> > 4. A Superlative Security Record > > > > What studies? How can FreeBSD be evaluated by same studies? (Or has > it?) > > > > FreeBSD can say same (s/Linux/BSD Unix/). > > > I wasnt going to reply this mail until i had read this one, oh man, i > > couldnt contain my laugh!!!! > Linux based distribution rated number one on security? did u try do > the > test with OpenBSD, DragonFly or even Darwin? come on... > Who was in that test? windows, linux and BeOS(not mantained since 5 > years ago)? > > > >> > 5. Frictionless Deployment > > > > Depends on your needs. FreeBSD installs very fast and easy for many > needs. > > For other needs, it is very slow and tedious (depending on > > knowledge/experience). See #1. > > > > Also this makes no sense to me. Different environments for testing, > > > development and production to me usually has nothing to do with > license > > fees. > > Only thing becouse it is cheapa is becouse they dont code it, it is a > > big bag with a lot of softwares from other projects, a big config > setup > and a bootable CD, you can run PCBSD and you will have something like > > that too. > > >> > 6. A Huge Selection of Applications and Tools > > > > FreeBSD also has huge collection of packages. In Ubuntu (Debian) > many > > software suites are divided up into multiple packages (clients, > servers, > > development headers, shared libraries, documentation, etc.). > > > > FreeBSD's default install is very light so is a good starting point > for > > many. > > What operating system doesnt have it? Minix? > > > >> > 7. Thin Client Joy > > > > FreeBSD can be a thin client and can be a thin client server. > > Cool you got an X-server... who doesnt? > > >> > 8. Unleash Your IT Talent > > > > FreeBSD is open source and free and has community participation and > > > collaboration. The source code and documentation changes can easily > be > > evaluated. > > > >> > 9. Access A Whole New Skills Pool > > ? > > Oh I see... They talking about linux coming to free the world... > Just propaganda. > > > >> > 10. Predictable Releases > > > > Many like a consistent schedule for new releases. FreeBSD also has > > policies on how long to maintain previous releases. Note that > FreeBSD base > > and ports have different update policies. Depending on how FreeBSD > > updates are done, it can be easy. > > 100% agree. > > > Jeremy C. Reed > > Damian I work with a bunch of code developers who work with Linux. My take on this is: (stands on tiny soap box) 1) Frankly there are a bunch of Pc's the run with linux and don't with BSD and vice versa. It's luck of the draw. 2) We are a FreeBSD shop, with people who work from home. They all have decided to develop using linux instead, even though the code will run on FreeBSD based servers. Why?.... With linux they say, and yes they all love Ubunto and Debian, they click a few buttons and say "make we a web server with an x interface" and poof that is what they have. No having to install ports or, well, actually think about anything. Their biggest saying is "we're code writers (perl) not sysadmins. They feel BSD is "better" but more for sysadmins to deal with. They want to click some buttons and go and they feel Ubunto/debian gives this too them much more. Basicly a vending machine OS. They get twinkies rather than good food and thats just ok with them. (despite my contant reminders of pkg_add, etc) Also, as usual, they might try BSD but manage to have one of those PC's that BSD doesn't support well, and just give up without really trying, as long as linux installs pain free. (altho I think its more than this, they really just like the Debian "ports/pkg_add" type system better for whatever reason) Thus it brings me back to something I told Jordon Hubbard years ago. FreeBSD should split into the junk food twinkie experience - give me X and a server of some sort with a few mouse clicks, I don't care how bloated and bad it is camp - and the Fine Dining, A-la-cart experience. Serious servers with no bloat and only installing what you want. True BSD. This would be the best way to compete with the Ubunto type of crowd. Sadly, just as McDonalds is not your fine dining experience, there is one on almost every block and they keep growing. Despite how bad they are, people are just fine with that. 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[all-to-mp3.png] [2]FREE Download References 1. mailto:support@TotalConverter.com 2. http://h1.ripway.com/totaldownloads/TotalMP3Converter.exe From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 21 18:01:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B00116A417; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from galain.elvandar.org (galain.elvandar.org [217.148.169.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB47113C467; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from evilcoder.xs4all.nl ([195.64.94.120] helo=elvandar.local) by galain.elvandar.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Iusw6-0003DY-Js; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:00:26 +0100 Message-ID: <47446442.3070202@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:00:50 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez , Joseph Koshy References: <20071120152250.b71b999b.rnsanchez@wait4.org> In-Reply-To: <20071120152250.b71b999b.rnsanchez@wait4.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FYI: customized FreeBSD for 10GbE monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:01:06 -0000 Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez wrote: > Just received this URL from a friend: > > http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2007/11/15/niksun-announces-new-10-gigabit-ethernet-monitoring-solution/ > > Quite cool. > Hello Ricardo, Thanks for the link! Joseph: can you have a look at this please? Thanks! remko -- /"\ Best regards, | remko@FreeBSD.org \ / Remko Lodder | remko@EFnet X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 21 18:25:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6064216A500 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnsanchez@wait4.org) Received: from spunkymail-a19.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-207.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4159E13C448 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnsanchez@wait4.org) Received: from sauron.lan.box (189-30-224-252.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [189.30.224.252]) by spunkymail-a19.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E48111E22; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:25:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:24:47 -0200 From: Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez To: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <20071121162447.0d91fa2c.rnsanchez@wait4.org> In-Reply-To: <47446442.3070202@FreeBSD.org> References: <20071120152250.b71b999b.rnsanchez@wait4.org> <47446442.3070202@FreeBSD.org> Organization: SYS_WAIT4 X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FYI: customized FreeBSD for 10GbE monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:25:07 -0000 On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:00:50 +0100 Remko Lodder wrote: > Thanks for the link! My pleasure. :) -- Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez rnsanchez@wait4.org Powered by FreeBSD "Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse." From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 21 18:58:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B3F16A468 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:58:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B82C13C458 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:58:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so7849279pyb for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:58:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=6SI8dMcilgkgoQQR0tEzHqIEbnWQTyrIr0yNOIiJgDs=; b=geXtP9sKbthP62v+yE+eGxGEC9n2XsizcqB1XeF0EcNUaNm26pzCCzMs4s++wvgUY7T26PwQ2DwZjsCWdBuYfHd6cQSx48iV3luMrIOSX3nm1FpneOQt1tLLA/oLP9xMEJJLA1De1IH51OD7F8VRzowTH2iD9fT6Wl9ZgsdDwg4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=lxu2OedoLAnet7PVcnt7QOPqcIHeobACd03n+yqwexZYj093KTFURFlbjLf2izPEdO4JPKzl6dhjAiixrCcKNvK1S30djdE0Mn0rXoXUlMpauC6EHgFFV032QMU8UMllqffM0yIkvLPhSFa17ERRa+NCL7J+H9glNTH0uA1LYIE= Received: by 10.65.95.12 with SMTP id x12mr17500559qbl.1195670049390; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.180.6 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:34:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:34:09 +0200 From: "David Naylor" Sender: naylor.b.david@gmail.com To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: a8c46b2c5de79228 Subject: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:58:15 -0000 I really, really must be missing something. Could someone please explain this to me: Why use open source if you do not even compile from source. All Linux distributions (with the exception of Gentoo which was inspired by FreeBSD) distributes binary packages for primary consumption. What is the difference between that and using Windows binary programs? In both cases the source code does not take a part... I must admit that FreeBSD does distribute binary packages however it is much easier (both to compile and stay updated) to use Ports. I have not touched a binary package since RELENG_6_0, everything is now compiled. I get all the software I want with all the options I wish to have and all of it compiles and runs without a problem (even with -O2 set :-) Thank you for a great unified project: FreeBSD Have a good day David P.S. Did I mention that the FreeBSD kernel does compile without a problem, the Linux kernel (even using GENERIC or the equivalent) never compiled cleanly and sometimes did not even run!!! From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 21 19:44:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FE116A46E for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from smtp.sd73.bc.ca (smtp.sd73.bc.ca [142.24.13.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF32213C474 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:44:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5A61A000B13 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:11:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at smtp.sd73.bc.ca Received: from smtp.sd73.bc.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.sd73.bc.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Q1bG0c+qqidg for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from coal (s10.sbo [192.168.0.10]) by smtp.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6491A000B1A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: Freddie Cash Organization: School District 73 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:11:35 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711211111.35350.fjwcash@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:44:51 -0000 On November 21, 2007 10:34 am David Naylor wrote: > I really, really must be missing something. Could someone please > explain this to me: > Why use open source if you do not even compile from source. All Linux > distributions (with the exception of Gentoo which was inspired by > FreeBSD) distributes binary packages for primary consumption. What is > the difference between that and using Windows binary programs? In > both cases the source code does not take a part... They also provide source packages where you can see the source code, and compile your own packages from that source. The process is different from using the ports tree, and it isn't advertised as much, but the option is there and lots of people use it. -- Freddie Cash, LPIC-2 CCNT CCLP Network Support Technician School District 73 (250) 377-HELP [377-4357] fjwcash@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 22 09:14:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D4016A473 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpniner@dpniner.net) Received: from junglecruise.dpniner.net (www.dpniner.net [65.15.126.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C18A13C4CC for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:14:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpniner@dpniner.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by junglecruise.dpniner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AB6157011F; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:46:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.399 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from junglecruise.dpniner.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (junglecruise.dpniner.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KlNvkzxdWsgn; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from junglecruise.dpniner.net (junglecruise.dpniner.net [10.0.2.3]) by junglecruise.dpniner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99319157011E; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:46:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:46:40 -0500 (EST) From: David-Paul Niner To: David Naylor Message-ID: <1486006155.21195685200332.JavaMail.root@junglecruise.dpniner.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.0.1.3] Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:14:53 -0000 I believe a lot of it depends on your needs. I've installed dedicated DNS and web servers before that didn't require anything other than the binaries included on the install CDs and a few security patches. Another factor might be convenience. When I can use pkg_add to pull down a pre-compiled version of a program that remains more-or-less static (in terms of its development pace), why bother with the time, disk space, and potential issues involved with installing from ports? (For the record, I realize that the ports system is second-to-none in terms of reliability). There are other reasons as well, but I think you get the idea... ;-) David-Paul Niner Jacksonville, FL US ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Naylor" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:34:09 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] I really, really must be missing something. Could someone please explain this to me: Why use open source if you do not even compile from source. All Linux distributions (with the exception of Gentoo which was inspired by FreeBSD) distributes binary packages for primary consumption. What is the difference between that and using Windows binary programs? In both cases the source code does not take a part... I must admit that FreeBSD does distribute binary packages however it is much easier (both to compile and stay updated) to use Ports. I have not touched a binary package since RELENG_6_0, everything is now compiled. I get all the software I want with all the options I wish to have and all of it compiles and runs without a problem (even with -O2 set :-) Thank you for a great unified project: FreeBSD Have a good day David P.S. Did I mention that the FreeBSD kernel does compile without a problem, the Linux kernel (even using GENERIC or the equivalent) never compiled cleanly and sometimes did not even run!!! _______________________________________________ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- David-Paul Niner, RHCE :: dpniner@dpniner.net :: http://dpniner.net GPG Key (0x04E5F275) and Fingerprint: http://dpniner.net/files/dpninerGPG.asc From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 22 16:07:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2854216A41A for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF42F13C447 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunnzy@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so3372780waf for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:07:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MfEjFqzp87MUXwPta4rzYl91aDJTIcoxhcM2XfxsUpY=; b=tczkFkRfeVDIVcVKlSSIK0x/1A7s5Gup6crrMHdrZnQEIkStUrTppnA5TAL362JCc8n6odlpBFdlXAH94IqjN+xIM9bpPVdgFkEMlawIxG8kTUE7/IO/kkj9MRF1lxWUfdlHLcqCtVvjpZRWOqvFNoq26wk3ofgZ1naRJjFYyyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kBkYntc0nF/VsLyM53+pVV1rStg4LovdS93A0XKAYVVo4dLMkvIs2lcBuUlzw9k12dBvoAPu10iDVlzENY7UMjYfWf89oPNv5yMTKP3xQpt+Uy34/24l9Sg5GZqvyXvIBf8kFg8L9GopbO1JTrKOPLg3Wk+x4f87YcVa1faTVdw= Received: by 10.114.107.19 with SMTP id f19mr71215wac.1195746145162; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.79.20 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:42:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 02:42:25 +1100 From: Sunnz To: "David Naylor" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: sunnzy+gnu@gmail.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:07:38 -0000 2007/11/22, David Naylor : > I really, really must be missing something. Could someone please > explain this to me: > Why use open source if you do not even compile from source. All Linux > distributions (with the exception of Gentoo which was inspired by > FreeBSD) distributes binary packages for primary consumption. What is > the difference between that and using Windows binary programs? In > both cases the source code does not take a part... > > I must admit that FreeBSD does distribute binary packages however it > is much easier (both to compile and stay updated) to use Ports. I > have not touched a binary package since RELENG_6_0, everything is now > compiled. I get all the software I want with all the options I wish > to have and all of it compiles and runs without a problem (even with > -O2 set :-) > Binary packages are the _recommended_ way to install software for OpenBSD, they even *discourage* compiling from source unless you need optimisation, customisation or otherwise have special circumstances and know what you are doing. The reason is that binary packages are guaranteed to work that the package maintainer generally know what they are doing, and that you don't get any extra benefit from compile from source in most cases. I know this is a FreeBSD list, but just like to point out that this not a "Linux" thing, but just what works for you and what works for other people. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 22 17:30:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C21D16A417 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:30:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A771B13C447 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A732F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.115.47]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAMHAiKc089087; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:10:50 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAMHB5uD060612; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:11:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAMHB2Go059678; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:11:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200711221711.lAMHB2Go059678@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "David Naylor" In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to "David Naylor" message dated "Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:34:09 +0200." Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:11:02 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:30:48 -0000 "David Naylor" wrote: > I really, really must be missing something. Could someone please > explain this to me: > Why use open source if you do not even compile from source. All Linux Some reasons some might choose to use Open Source based: Zero Purchase Price. Zero wait time to purchase, Download now. Less Viruses or no viruses (Linux or BSD depending), Not first target of viruses Dont trust MicroShi*, (biggest ever fine imposed by EU on any company for monopoly infringement: MS Inc). Want to look trendy by using Linux rather than MS (yes people like that do exist, even if not us). Different Licensing, If a colleague wants a copy, give him one legally immediately, no need to wait & buy one. Different Support Model, Per mail list is unpaid unguaranteed, but global 24 hours a day people are awake & respond. Source available If bug fixes or enhancements later needed, can easily Pay a consultant to do it, Global Index: http://berklix.com/consultants/ Can choose Any competing consultant, not dependent on just one software vendor who has access to closed source, but may not consider it his priority. Security, Peace of mind: Code can be read by many, loopholes exposed & fixed, not hidden & left open. 16,000 odd packages, mostly free from ports/ many not on MS. Even if not all have time/ skill/ interest/ to personally compile all used, encourage people to use open source based, for the warm fuzzy feeling they're doing the right thing. even if they're not personally learnt yet quite Why it's good to be open source based :-) -- Julian Stacey. Munich Computer Consultant, BSD Unix C Linux. http://berklix.com Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Dump cigs 4 snuff. 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( [190.18.36.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e18sm1473450qbe.2007.11.23.05.57.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 05:57:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4746DC61.3070409@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:57:53 -0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?U2TDpHZ0YWtlcg==?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <200711221711.lAMHB2Go059678@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <200711221711.lAMHB2Go059678@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, David Naylor Subject: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:58:03 -0000 I want to ad some details... Julian H. Stacey wrote: > "David Naylor" wrote: >> I really, really must be missing something. Could someone please >> explain this to me: >> Why use open source if you do not even compile from source. All Linux > > Some reasons some might choose to use Open Source based: > Zero Purchase Price. That is the price of freeware, not opensource. Open source means you get the original code, there is a lot of people who sells software opensource (as example some software developed by IBM are really expensive but opensource) > Zero wait time to purchase, Download now. You can download binaries too... > Less Viruses or no viruses (Linux or BSD depending), No viruses, you really put a lot of faith here! > Not first target of viruses Agree :-) > Dont trust MicroShi*, (biggest ever fine imposed by EU on any > company for monopoly infringement: MS Inc). > Want to look trendy by using Linux rather than MS > (yes people like that do exist, even if not us). > Different Licensing, > If a colleague wants a copy, give him one legally > immediately, no need to wait & buy one. You can do that with Sharewares too. > Different Support Model, > Per mail list is unpaid unguaranteed, > but global 24 hours a day people are awake & respond. > Source available > If bug fixes or enhancements later needed, can easily > Pay a consultant to do it, Global Index: > http://berklix.com/consultants/ > Can choose Any competing consultant, not dependent on > just one software vendor who has access to closed source, > but may not consider it his priority. :-) > Security, Peace of mind: > Code can be read by many, loopholes exposed & fixed, > not hidden & left open. Yeap!!! > 16,000 odd packages, mostly free from ports/ many not on MS. Yes, but you miss some great products sometimes... The one i can remember now is VMware, they not porting it to BSD only works in windows and linux, and the linux version got limited functionallity. > > Even if not all have time/ skill/ interest/ to personally compile all used, > encourage people to use open source based, for the warm fuzzy feeling > they're doing the right thing. even if they're not personally learnt yet > quite Why it's good to be open source based :-) Personally, I think binaries are just time-saving, last time i compiled KDE was a couple of days... and I didnt use any extraweird option, now i download binaries for that. See ya around. Damian