From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 19 19:10:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BFB16BE69 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@getitfree.net) Received: from mail21.mrsmiley.com (mail21.mrsmiley.com [209.61.129.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B93713C4A5 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@getitfree.net) Received: from getitfree.net (209.128.76.94) by mail21.mrsmiley.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2007 13:26:47 +0000 Accreditor: Habeas X-Habeas-Report: Please report use of this mark in spam to MIME-Version: 1.0 From: getitfree@getitfree.net Resent-From: getitfree@getitfree.net MID: 1171910459389381 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Resent-Message-Id: <20070219190954.7B93713C4A5@mx1.freebsd.org> Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Welcome - Important Next Step X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:10:02 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:10:02 -0000 Thanks for joining GetItFree.net. Please take a moment to add our email to your address book. If you haven't already done so, post or send your personal link: http://www.getitfree.net/xruqhgvob to your friends and tell them about our site. Refer as many friends as you can! When you have referred some friends, you can check the status on your free Apple 4GB iPod nano at http://www.getitfree.net/index.php?target=account_gift&u=szcyrrm Best wishes, - Bryan getitfree@getitfree.net To stop getting getitfree updates, visit: http://www.getitfree.net/index.php?target=unsubscribe&u=ruqhgvob&mid=1171910459389381 Alternatively, you may send a written request to: www.getitfree.net PO Box 356 Austin, TX 78767-0356 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 19 20:55:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E0B16D52D for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:55:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9786E13C4A5 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JDQ00CLCA3Q9230@osl1smout1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:55:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from kg-work.kg4.no ([80.203.92.212]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with SMTP id <0JDQ005FUA3PVI81@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:55:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:55:01 +0100 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen X-Face: "t9w2,-X@O^I`jVW\sonI3.,36KBLZE*AL[y9lL[PyFD*r_S:dIL9c[8Y>V42R0"!"yb_zN,f#%.[PYYNq; m"_0v; ~rUM2Yy!zmkh)3&U|u!=T(zyv,MHJv"nDH>OJ`t(@mil461d_B'Uo|'nMwlKe0Mv=kvV?Nh@>Hb<3s_z2jYgZhPb@?Wi^x1a~Hplz1.zH To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-id: <20070219215501.91cc50b3.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.3.1 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Billionton LNA-100B not working with FreeBSD 6.x? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:55:08 -0000 Hello, I have a cuple of old PCCard NIC's; the LNA-100B from Billionton, more info here: http://www.billionton.com.tw/website/product/index.asp?code=LNA These are 16bit, 10 / 100 Mbps ethernet NIC's that use the 'ed' driver. I've been using them under FreeBSD 4.x for a long time, and i think I have used them with FreeBSD 5.x as well (however, I couldn't find any evidence of that). Recently, I tried them in a FreeBSD 6.2 machine (6.2-release) and the card is detected (with some strangeness) but doesn't work. I tried them in another laptop, but the problem is still the same. Here is the dmesg output from a 6.2-stable machine booting with this card inserted: Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: at port 0x300-0x31f irq 11 function 0 config 7 on pccard1 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: ccr_write of 0 to 0xa (0x3c0) Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: ccr_write of 0x3 to 0xc (0x3c0) Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: ccr_write of 0x4 to 0x2 (0x3c0) Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: Ethernet address: 00:10:60:f3:13:b0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: type AX88790 (16 bit) Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: miibus0: on ed1 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy0: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy1: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy2: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy2: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy3: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy3: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy4: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy4: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy5: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy5: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy6: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy6: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy7: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy7: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy8: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy8: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy9: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy9: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy10: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy10: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy11: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy11: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy12: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy12: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy13: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy13: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy14: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy14: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy15: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy15: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy16: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:20:19 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy16: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto After a verbose boot, the messages looks like this: Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: pcib2: pccard1 requested memory range 0xc0200000-0xcfffffff: good Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: pccard1: CIS version PCCARD 2.0 or 2.1 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: pccard1: CIS info: Billionton, LNA-100B, V, 1.0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: pccard1: Manufacturer code 0xffff, product 0x1090 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: pccard1: function 0: network adapter, ccr addr 3c0 mask 63 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: pccard1: function 0, config table entry 7: I/O card; irq mask ffff; iomask a, iospace 300-31f; mwait_required io16 ir qlevel Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: pcib2: pccard1 requested I/O range 0x300-0x31f: in range Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: pcib2: pccard1 requested memory range 0xc0200000-0xcfffffff: good Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: at port 0x300-0x31f irq 11 function 0 config 7 on pccard1 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: Checking AX88x90 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: ccr_write of 0 to 0xa (0x3c0) Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: ccr_write of 0x3 to 0xc (0x3c0) Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: ccr_write of 0x4 to 0x2 (0x3c0) Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: probe novel returns 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: [MPSAFE] Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: bpf attached Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: Ethernet address: 00:10:60:f3:13:b0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ed1: type AX88790 (16 bit) Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: miibus0: on ed1 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy0: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy0: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy1: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy1: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy2: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy2: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy2: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy3: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy3: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy3: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy4: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy4: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy4: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy5: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy5: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy5: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy6: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy6: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy6: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy7: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy7: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy7: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy8: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy8: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy8: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy9: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy9: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy9: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy10: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy10: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy10: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy11: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy11: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy11: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy12: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy12: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy12: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy13: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy13: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy13: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 10Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy14: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy14: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy14: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy15: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy15: OUI 0x0c000c, model 0x0000, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy15: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseT4, 1000baseSX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy16: on miibus0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy16: OUI 0x00602e, model 0x0031, rev. 0 Feb 19 21:48:39 kg-jobbpc3 kernel: ukphy16: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto 00baseT, 1000baseT-FDX (I got the same messages when booting a 6.2-release and 6.1-release CD. I also tried the 6.0-release CD, but there the card is not detected) Notice how the card is detected, but that it seems that it has 16 phy's? Also, ifconfig claims that there is no carrier (but the cabe is plugged in and the lights on both the switch and the NIC are lit): root@kg-jobbpc3# ifconfig ed1 ed1: flags=8802 mtu 1500 ether 00:10:60:f3:13:b0 media: Ethernet autoselect (none) status: no carrier I have tested this in two different laptops, both show the same error. I would like to get these cards working in FreeBSD again. Any hints on what to try next? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 20 10:28:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246C9175A4F for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B0613C4A3 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.0.22] (i-83-67-27-141.freedom2surf.net [83.67.27.141]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KAFbZx028894 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:15:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:15:12 +0000 From: Nik Clayton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: * (1.988) RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 69.55.225.33 Cc: Subject: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:28:51 -0000 All, What's currently recommended as a FreeBSD laptop platform? I'm using an IBM/Lenovo T42 at the moment, but that's shortly going back, so: Things I like: * Suspend to RAM works * Nice enough keyboard * Workable screen resolution (1024x768, big enough for four xterms) * Reasonably light * Has a dock -- makes things much easier * 1.7GHz CPU is fast enough for my needs (web, e-mail, software development) * Trackpad Things I don't like: * Battery life isn't great * Suspend to disk doesn't work * No WiFi Can anyone recommend a laptop with all those features that works with FreeBSD? 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Powered by Pixelfish http://www.pixelfish.com From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 20 18:06:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11B616B637; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karel@lovetemple.net) Received: from imgr.siol.net (imgr.siol.net [193.189.160.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C027713C49D; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karel@lovetemple.net) Received: from edge2.siol.net ([10.10.10.211]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20070220171952.YKUA8972.mta1.siol.net@edge2.siol.net>; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:19:52 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.149] (really [89.142.122.105]) by edge2.siol.net with ESMTP id <20070220171952.IXE5222.edge2.siol.net@[192.168.0.149]>; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:19:52 +0100 Message-ID: <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:19:49 +0100 From: Karel Miklav User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070206) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:06:14 -0000 Nik Clayton wrote: > I'm using an IBM/Lenovo T42 at the moment, but that's shortly going > back, so: So why don't you get another T42 with better battery and a wireless card? X series ThinkPads are also nice. With a good choice of model and battery you won't need suspend to disk couse RAM suspend will keep your machine ready for a week. And a hint regarding xterms per pixel: WMI, DWM. -- Regards, Karel Miklav From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 20 19:23:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2C116AF8B; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS1=74e6a01d7b3eaebb8cc7a7c49ce2556fb0df9a7f=es.net==74e6a01d7b3eaebb8cc7a7c49ce2556fb0df9a7f=252=es.net=oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal1.es.net [198.128.3.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0369713C467; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:23:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS1=74e6a01d7b3eaebb8cc7a7c49ce2556fb0df9a7f=es.net==74e6a01d7b3eaebb8cc7a7c49ce2556fb0df9a7f=252=es.net=oberman@es.net) Received: from postal4.es.net (postal4.es.net [198.124.252.66]) by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP (SSL) id ZVF02529; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:11:29 -0800 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by postal4.es.net (Postal Node 4) with ESMTP (SSL) id ZVF73426; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:11:26 -0800 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id B2FB645042; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:11:25 -0800 (PST) To: Nik Clayton In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:15:12 GMT." <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1171998685_47650P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:11:25 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20070220191125.B2FB645042@ptavv.es.net> Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:23:33 -0000 --==_Exmh_1171998685_47650P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:15:12 +0000 > From: Nik Clayton > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > All, > > What's currently recommended as a FreeBSD laptop platform? > > I'm using an IBM/Lenovo T42 at the moment, but that's shortly going back, so: > > Things I like: > > * Suspend to RAM works > * Nice enough keyboard > * Workable screen resolution (1024x768, big enough for four xterms) > * Reasonably light > * Has a dock -- makes things much easier > * 1.7GHz CPU is fast enough for my needs (web, e-mail, software > development) > * Trackpad > > Things I don't like: > > * Battery life isn't great I believe they make a 9-cell battery for the T42. > * Suspend to disk doesn't work And is not going to until someone writes the suspend to disk software for FreeBSD. Very few newer laptops do BIOS based suspend to disk. It's moved to the OS in Windows, so manufacturers don't waste money doing it any other way. Several people have talked about it and a couple have promised to work on it, but I have not seen anything real. The archives contain some suggestions from jhb (I think) on how to get started, but it's not trivial. > * No WiFi Get a cheap Atheros mini-PCI card. It is supported on the T42 BIOS and works well on FreeBSD. Much cheaper then a new laptop. I think it will be hard to find a laptop much better supported on FreeBSD than the Lenovo T4x machines. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 --==_Exmh_1171998685_47650P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 06/03/2002 iD8DBQFF20fdkn3rs5h7N1ERAhDsAKCVgbZSRUKoKhDzjN5i4rbbbK7R3QCfbLO0 ZLnAmk0OCcLJ+lI0vG5OmdE= =L96Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1171998685_47650P-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 20 19:58:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D4A16ACD5; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ports@fsck.ch) Received: from smtp.hispeed.ch (mxout.hispeed.ch [62.2.95.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CA913C47E; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ports@fsck.ch) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (84-73-229-8.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.73.229.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.hispeed.ch (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/taifun-1.0) with ESMTP id l1KJaEpF028417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:36:15 +0100 Message-ID: <45DB4DAD.2000206@fsck.ch> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:36:13 +0100 From: Tobias Roth User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070204) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Oberman References: <20070220191125.B2FB645042@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20070220191125.B2FB645042@ptavv.es.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC18A4260DE1DA1C7D24B453B" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on smtp-02.tornado.cablecom.ch X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-spamcheck-01.tornado.cablecom.ch-Metrics: smtp-02.tornado.cablecom.ch 1377; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Cc: Nik Clayton , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:58:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC18A4260DE1DA1C7D24B453B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin Oberman wrote: > I think it will be hard to find a laptop much better supported on > FreeBSD than the Lenovo T4x machines. My only issues with the T43p are the awfully noisy fan and the relatively low battery life FreeBSD gets out of it (as opposed to Windows= ). Cheers, Tobias --------------enigC18A4260DE1DA1C7D24B453B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF202tW8beqs5Zm00RCHy8AKCRlfIQTBCkNdbW1BmK6snHmCtcKQCffg32 1Bt7ekajSknxNexStsJaBEg= =aYLr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC18A4260DE1DA1C7D24B453B-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 20 22:58:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B2816AB5B; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:58:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from supernews.unixathome.org (supernews.unixathome.org [216.168.29.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDB313C442; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:58:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3271702A; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:24:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from supernews.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (supernews.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Yqf+uY2NqFL; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [74.104.199.163]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1978D1701A; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.55.0.99] (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08F6B8BC; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:24:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Nik Clayton Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:24:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <45DB2EE3.5853.473629@dan.langille.org> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070220191125.B2FB645042@ptavv.es.net> References: >, <20070220191125.B2FB645042@ptavv.es.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:58:11 -0000 On 20 Feb 2007 at 11:11, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:15:12 +0000 > > From: Nik Clayton > > * No WiFi > > Get a cheap Atheros mini-PCI card. It is supported on the T42 BIOS and > works well on FreeBSD. Much cheaper then a new laptop. Nik: I bought one of those, direct from IBM. It hss worked flawlessly on my T41. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 21 00:09:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5200F16D48B; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344E013C4AA; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from [10.0.3.231] ([70.21.156.216]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JDS0071YDQTGNS1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:08:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:08:48 -0500 From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-reply-to: <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> To: Karel Miklav Message-id: <1172016528.751.5.camel@RabbitsDen.RabbitsLawn.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> Cc: Nik Clayton , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:09:07 -0000 On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 18:19 +0100, Karel Miklav wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: > > I'm using an IBM/Lenovo T42 at the moment, but that's shortly going > > back, so: > > So why don't you get another T42 with better battery and a wireless > card? X series ThinkPads are also nice. With a good choice of model > and battery you won't need suspend to disk couse RAM suspend will Keep in mind that most of the new Thinkpads are shipped with dual-core CPU, and, consequently, no suspend-to-RAM support in FreeBSD. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 21 02:20:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC78416A40F; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from merlin.alerce.com (merlin.alerce.com [64.62.142.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF72E13C442; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from merlin.alerce.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B95A33C5D; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from satchel.alerce.com (w092.z064001164.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.164.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "satchel.alerce.com", Issuer "alerce.com" (verified OK)) by merlin.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D3533C5B; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from satchel.alerce.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by satchel.alerce.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1L24c4V093302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:04:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hartzell@satchel.alerce.com) Received: (from hartzell@localhost) by satchel.alerce.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l1L24a9n093289; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:04:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hartzell) From: George Hartzell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17883.43187.950510.959919@satchel.alerce.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:04:35 -0800 To: "Dan Langille" In-Reply-To: <45DB2EE3.5853.473629@dan.langille.org> References: <20070220191125.B2FB645042@ptavv.es.net> <45DB2EE3.5853.473629@dan.langille.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under 21.4 (patch 20) "Double Solitaire" XEmacs Lucid X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: Nik Clayton , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: hartzell@alerce.com List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:20:40 -0000 Dan Langille writes: > On 20 Feb 2007 at 11:11, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:15:12 +0000 > > > From: Nik Clayton > > > > * No WiFi > > > > Get a cheap Atheros mini-PCI card. It is supported on the T42 BIOS and > > works well on FreeBSD. Much cheaper then a new laptop. > > Nik: I bought one of those, direct from IBM. It hss worked > flawlessly on my T41. > Does the T42 bios support *any* Atheros card, or just the ones that IBM sells? g. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 21 05:02:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1860D16DB81; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=74e6a01d7b3eaebb8cc7a7c49ce2556fb0df9a7f=252=es.net=oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal1.es.net [198.128.3.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB2613C467; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=74e6a01d7b3eaebb8cc7a7c49ce2556fb0df9a7f=252=es.net=oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP (SSL) id AHW50259; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:01:59 -0800 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 9E31D45070; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:01:58 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: hartzell@alerce.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:04:35 PST." <17883.43187.950510.959919@satchel.alerce.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1172034118_60727P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:01:58 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20070221050158.9E31D45070@ptavv.es.net> Cc: Nik Clayton , Dan Langille , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:02:00 -0000 --==_Exmh_1172034118_60727P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Dan Langille writes: > > On 20 Feb 2007 at 11:11, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:15:12 +0000 > > > > From: Nik Clayton > > > > > > * No WiFi > > > > > > Get a cheap Atheros mini-PCI card. It is supported on the T42 BIOS and > > > works well on FreeBSD. Much cheaper then a new laptop. > > > > Nik: I bought one of those, direct from IBM. It hss worked > > flawlessly on my T41. > > > > Does the T42 bios support *any* Atheros card, or just the ones that > IBM sells? Probably just those they sold, but they did not modify them in any way, so any of the same models that they used will work. Mine is: "AR5212 Atheros AR5212 802.11abg wireless" -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 --==_Exmh_1172034118_60727P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 06/03/2002 iD8DBQFF29JGkn3rs5h7N1ERAq31AJ45tvkUyHP89WADUPuSQgfXO8c5DgCfTmX/ fWsU0fxtod6jJPLj6pQv59c= =ZGvw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1172034118_60727P-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 21 05:12:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E56C16BA00 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [69.12.149.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A0913C46B for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Received: from [10.0.0.178] ([10.0.0.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.13.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l1L5CKfa057328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:12:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Message-ID: <45DBD4B4.1010103@errno.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:12:20 -0800 From: Sam Leffler Organization: Errno Consulting User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Oberman References: <20070221050158.9E31D45070@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20070221050158.9E31D45070@ptavv.es.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Nik Clayton , hartzell@alerce.com, Dan Langille , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:12:56 -0000 Kevin Oberman wrote: >> Dan Langille writes: >> > On 20 Feb 2007 at 11:11, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> > >> > > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:15:12 +0000 >> > > > From: Nik Clayton >> > >> > > > * No WiFi >> > > >> > > Get a cheap Atheros mini-PCI card. It is supported on the T42 BIOS and >> > > works well on FreeBSD. Much cheaper then a new laptop. >> > >> > Nik: I bought one of those, direct from IBM. It hss worked >> > flawlessly on my T41. >> > >> >> Does the T42 bios support *any* Atheros card, or just the ones that >> IBM sells? > > Probably just those they sold, but they did not modify them in any way, so any of the same models that they used will work. Mine is: > "AR5212 Atheros AR5212 802.11abg wireless" IBM programs their own pci device id in the cards they sell. It's well-known how to do this yourself for any Atheros card. Then you just pass the true device id into the hal and everything will work fine. Someone was talking about adding support to hints to enable this sort of "aliasing" outside the driver. Sam From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 22 22:12:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81AF16A400 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E47C13C4A5 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.0.22] (i-83-67-27-141.freedom2surf.net [83.67.27.141]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1MMBvnX043813; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <45DD62B8.5060903@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:30:32 +0000 From: Nik Clayton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karel Miklav References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> In-Reply-To: <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: ** (2.869) DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 69.55.225.33 Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:12:00 -0000 Karel Miklav wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: >> I'm using an IBM/Lenovo T42 at the moment, but that's shortly going >> back, so: > > So why don't you get another T42 with better battery and a wireless > card? The T42 is quite old. I imagine the technology's moved on a little bit (lighter, faster, etc). And separate wireless cards mean more tech to carry around, get lost, etc. > X series ThinkPads are also nice. With a good choice of model > and battery you won't need suspend to disk couse RAM suspend will > keep your machine ready for a week. "good choice of model" is the key. What T or X series ThinkPad would you recommend that works well with FreeBSD? N From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 22 22:12:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE1416A46C for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A3613C46B for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.0.22] (i-83-67-27-141.freedom2surf.net [83.67.27.141]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1MMC1LD043938; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:12:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <45DD632F.2080708@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:32:31 +0000 From: Nik Clayton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Oberman References: <20070220191125.B2FB645042@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20070220191125.B2FB645042@ptavv.es.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: ** (2.869) DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 69.55.225.33 Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:12:05 -0000 Kevin Oberman wrote: >> * Suspend to disk doesn't work > > And is not going to until someone writes the suspend to disk software > for FreeBSD. Very few newer laptops do BIOS based suspend to > disk. It's moved to the OS in Windows, so manufacturers don't waste > money doing it any other way. When you say "Very few", do you have a list of those, know where I could find one, or know what I should be looking for (is there a particular standard, for example, that the laptop needs to support?). > Get a cheap Atheros mini-PCI card. It is supported on the T42 BIOS and > works well on FreeBSD. Much cheaper then a new laptop. The laptop's definitely going back -- it's owned by $employer, and I'm moving on to pastures new. N From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 22 22:12:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0877F16A40B for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B9B13C494 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:12:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.0.22] (i-83-67-27-141.freedom2surf.net [83.67.27.141]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1MMC7TO044065; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:12:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <45DD6397.5020107@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:34:15 +0000 From: Nik Clayton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> <1172016528.751.5.camel@RabbitsDen.RabbitsLawn.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <1172016528.751.5.camel@RabbitsDen.RabbitsLawn.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: ** (2.869) DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 69.55.225.33 Cc: Karel Miklav , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:12:11 -0000 Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote: > Keep in mind that most of the new Thinkpads are shipped with dual-core > CPU, and, consequently, no suspend-to-RAM support in FreeBSD. Ah. Is that a general FreeBSD limitation at the moment then? Dual core == no suspend-to-ram? That's something of an arse, if true. N From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 22 22:16:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1D516A401 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from supernews.unixathome.org (supernews.unixathome.org [216.168.29.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8417E13C49D for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3600C1702A for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:16:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from supernews.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (supernews.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZEjgof+JV1VN for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [74.104.199.163]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FB91701A for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.55.0.99] (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DCEB8BC for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:16:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: mobile@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:16:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <45DDCFF7.18584.6A3FD92@dan.langille.org> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <45DD62B8.5060903@freebsd.org> References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org>, <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net>, <45DD62B8.5060903@freebsd.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Cc: Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:16:44 -0000 On 22 Feb 2007 at 9:30, Nik Clayton wrote: > Karel Miklav wrote: > > Nik Clayton wrote: > >> I'm using an IBM/Lenovo T42 at the moment, but that's shortly going > >> back, so: > > > > So why don't you get another T42 with better battery and a wireless > > card? > > The T42 is quite old. I imagine the technology's moved on a little bit > (lighter, faster, etc). And separate wireless cards mean more tech to carry > around, get lost, etc. FWIW, FYI, this is a new wireless card you install when you remove the old one... This is not a PCMCIA slot thingy... But I see also that the laptop is being returned. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 22 22:29:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7A616A402; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F38913C467; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from [10.0.3.231] ([70.21.156.216]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JDV004HXYFS32X9@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:28:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:28:34 -0500 From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-reply-to: <45DD6397.5020107@freebsd.org> To: Nik Clayton Message-id: <1172183314.848.17.camel@RabbitsDen.RabbitsLawn.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> <1172016528.751.5.camel@RabbitsDen.RabbitsLawn.verizon.net> <45DD6397.5020107@freebsd.org> Cc: Karel Miklav , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:29:00 -0000 On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 09:34 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote: > > Keep in mind that most of the new Thinkpads are shipped with dual-core > > CPU, and, consequently, no suspend-to-RAM support in FreeBSD. > > Ah. Is that a general FreeBSD limitation at the moment then? Dual core == > no suspend-to-ram? Well there is the thread in current@ with the title: "hack for getting suspend/resume to half work on an IBM Thinkpad x60s [SMP]" But I have not tried this approach and could not relay any experiences. Might be worth reading if you are considering any SMP laptop, though. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 22 23:28:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC2A16A401; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sec@42.org) Received: from ice.42.org (ice.42.org [194.77.85.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916AF13C4AC; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sec@42.org) Received: by ice.42.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C3449C47A; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:04:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:04:52 +0100 From: Stefan `Sec` Zehl To: Nik Clayton Message-ID: <20070222230452.GG93802@ice.42.org> Mail-Followup-To: Nik Clayton , mobile@freebsd.org References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i I-love-doing-this: really X-Modeline: vim:set ts=8 sw=4 smarttab tw=72 si noic notitle: Accept-Languages: de, en X-URL: http://sec.42.org/ Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:28:28 -0000 On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 10:15 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > I'm using an IBM/Lenovo T42 at the moment, but that's shortly going back, > so: > > Things I like: > > * Suspend to RAM works It does? I have a T43, and suspend to ram only works sometimes, and sometimes it just doesn't wake up anymore. Are there any special settings you use? I'm using FreeBSD 6.2 with the following: In /boot/device.hints: | hint.apic.0.disabled=1 | hint.psm.0.flags="0x2000" In /boot/loader.conf: | acpi_video_load="YES" # Load the ACPI video extension driver | hw.psm.synaptics_support="1" # Thinkpad Mousefix and the usually acpi_ibm module loaded by if i'm running on battery. It would be really great if at least suspend to ram would work all the time... CU, Sec -- The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 23 06:23:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C928F16A402; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) Received: from mo-p00-fb.rzone.de (mo-p00-fb.rzone.de [81.169.146.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126FA13C481; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de (klopstock-mo-p00-ob.mail [192.168.63.66]) by gibbsson-fb-05.store (RZmta 4.7) with ESMTP id 503db4j1MM7lX0 ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:53:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from athena.laverenz.de (p5480FA8F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.128.250.143]) by post.webmailer.de (klopstock mo42) (RZmta 4.7) with ESMTP id C018a9j1MKqNGy ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by athena.laverenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E22E72D443; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from athena.laverenz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (athena [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08349-04; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by athena.laverenz.de (Postfix, from userid 2000) id 47910E72D442; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:38 +0100 From: Uwe Laverenz To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070223055138.GA9545@laverenz.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, mobile@freebsd.org References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> <45DD62B8.5060903@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45DD62B8.5060903@freebsd.org> Organization: private site Sender: uwe@laverenz.de User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at laverenz.de X-RZG-AUTH: l30WrtbrzmfyRJtZ7/TtK2qIdZIgjE9K4Q55TXGhenj8TX5ShWTsXpHkhxPyg7xEWA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Cc: Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:23:58 -0000 On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 09:30:32AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > The T42 is quite old. I imagine the technology's moved on a little bit > (lighter, faster, etc). And separate wireless cards mean more tech to > carry around, get lost, etc. The T41/42 have several advantages in general and especially for FreeBSD users: - spare parts are easily available, it is no problem to buy a mini PCI card with atheros chipset from IBM/Lenovo - the T41/42 hardware is completely supported by FreeBSD, which is not the case for the X60/T60 models (wireless, sound) - they are quiet, which is not the case for the slightly newer T43/T43p, that would also be a good choice otherwise > "good choice of model" is the key. What T or X series ThinkPad would you > recommend that works well with FreeBSD? I have T41 and a T43p and I won't switch to a T60 as long as it's not fully supported by FreeBSD. my 2 cents :) bye, Uwe From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 23 06:23:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C928F16A402; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) Received: from mo-p00-fb.rzone.de (mo-p00-fb.rzone.de [81.169.146.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126FA13C481; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de (klopstock-mo-p00-ob.mail [192.168.63.66]) by gibbsson-fb-05.store (RZmta 4.7) with ESMTP id 503db4j1MM7lX0 ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:53:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from athena.laverenz.de (p5480FA8F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.128.250.143]) by post.webmailer.de (klopstock mo42) (RZmta 4.7) with ESMTP id C018a9j1MKqNGy ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by athena.laverenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E22E72D443; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from athena.laverenz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (athena [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08349-04; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by athena.laverenz.de (Postfix, from userid 2000) id 47910E72D442; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:38 +0100 From: Uwe Laverenz To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070223055138.GA9545@laverenz.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, mobile@freebsd.org References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> <45DD62B8.5060903@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45DD62B8.5060903@freebsd.org> Organization: private site Sender: uwe@laverenz.de User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at laverenz.de X-RZG-AUTH: l30WrtbrzmfyRJtZ7/TtK2qIdZIgjE9K4Q55TXGhenj8TX5ShWTsXpHkhxPyg7xEWA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Cc: Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:23:58 -0000 On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 09:30:32AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > The T42 is quite old. I imagine the technology's moved on a little bit > (lighter, faster, etc). And separate wireless cards mean more tech to > carry around, get lost, etc. The T41/42 have several advantages in general and especially for FreeBSD users: - spare parts are easily available, it is no problem to buy a mini PCI card with atheros chipset from IBM/Lenovo - the T41/42 hardware is completely supported by FreeBSD, which is not the case for the X60/T60 models (wireless, sound) - they are quiet, which is not the case for the slightly newer T43/T43p, that would also be a good choice otherwise > "good choice of model" is the key. What T or X series ThinkPad would you > recommend that works well with FreeBSD? I have T41 and a T43p and I won't switch to a T60 as long as it's not fully supported by FreeBSD. my 2 cents :) bye, Uwe From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 23 09:44:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD8B16A405 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439DA13C494 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.0.22] (i-83-67-27-141.freedom2surf.net [83.67.27.141]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1N9iH2n061154; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:44:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <45DEB757.9070402@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:43:51 +0000 From: Nik Clayton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton , mobile@freebsd.org References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> <20070222230452.GG93802@ice.42.org> In-Reply-To: <20070222230452.GG93802@ice.42.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: * (1.988) RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 69.55.225.33 Cc: Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:44:20 -0000 Stefan `Sec` Zehl wrote: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 10:15 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: >> I'm using an IBM/Lenovo T42 at the moment, but that's shortly going back, >> so: >> >> Things I like: >> >> * Suspend to RAM works > > It does? I have a T43, and suspend to ram only works sometimes, and > sometimes it just doesn't wake up anymore. Are there any special > settings you use? > > I'm using FreeBSD 6.2 with the following: > > In /boot/device.hints: > | hint.apic.0.disabled=1 > | hint.psm.0.flags="0x2000" I'm running FreeBSD 5.4 (which was just released when I started using this laptop, and I haven't had the chance to upgrade yet). A colleague is using another T42 (but with built in WiFi), and recently upgraded to 6.2. I'll check and see if he's had any problems with suspend/resume since upgrading. I have no specific apic settings in device.hints, the psm settings are: hint.psm.0.at="atkbdc" hint.psm.0.irq="12" hint.psm.0.flags="0x2000" I recall having to add the flags entry, the others are probably defaults. > In /boot/loader.conf: > | acpi_video_load="YES" # Load the ACPI video extension driver > | hw.psm.synaptics_support="1" # Thinkpad Mousefix My loader.conf contains: snd_ich_load="YES" hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 hw.acpi.reset_video=0 kern.maxfiles=25000 radeon_load="YES" > and the usually acpi_ibm module loaded by if i'm running on battery. I don't have an acpi_ibm module on this machine (at least, "locate acpi_ibm" shows nothing). N From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 24 01:02:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4E316A402; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C62D13C4B6; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from [10.0.3.231] ([70.21.156.216]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JDY000NQ07E48Y4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:02:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:01:57 -0500 From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-reply-to: <20070223055138.GA9545@laverenz.de> To: Uwe Laverenz Message-id: <1172278918.768.9.camel@RabbitsDen.RabbitsLawn.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> <45DD62B8.5060903@freebsd.org> <20070223055138.GA9545@laverenz.de> Cc: mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:02:31 -0000 On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 06:51 +0100, Uwe Laverenz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 09:30:32AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > The T42 is quite old. I imagine the technology's moved on a little bit > > (lighter, faster, etc). And separate wireless cards mean more tech to > > carry around, get lost, etc. > > The T41/42 have several advantages in general and especially for FreeBSD > users: > I have T41 and a T43p and I won't switch to a T60 as long > as it's not fully supported by FreeBSD. To be fair -- the unsupported things on my X60 are: -- SD slot. I know there is something in the works, but did not look at it. Probably irrelevant here as it does not exist on T41/T42. -- modem. As, I suspect, is the case with T41/T42. -- suspend. Which, AFAIK, is the mixed bag on T41/T42. The rest is working quite well. I did order it with the Atheros card though... and this brings us to the important point -- T41, T42 or X60 for that matter, are fairly broad designations, which cover serious variety of the wireless cards, network chipsets, video cards, LCD resolutions and CPU (if I am not mistaken latest X60 uses Core Duo 2, while mine -- model 1709-73U -- uses 32-bit Core Duo). One, really ought to look at the specific model's inventory. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 24 01:02:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4E316A402; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C62D13C4B6; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from [10.0.3.231] ([70.21.156.216]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JDY000NQ07E48Y4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:02:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:01:57 -0500 From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-reply-to: <20070223055138.GA9545@laverenz.de> To: Uwe Laverenz Message-id: <1172278918.768.9.camel@RabbitsDen.RabbitsLawn.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <45DACA30.8010107@freebsd.org> <45DB2DB5.8080409@lovetemple.net> <45DD62B8.5060903@freebsd.org> <20070223055138.GA9545@laverenz.de> Cc: mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations for 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:02:31 -0000 On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 06:51 +0100, Uwe Laverenz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 09:30:32AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > The T42 is quite old. I imagine the technology's moved on a little bit > > (lighter, faster, etc). And separate wireless cards mean more tech to > > carry around, get lost, etc. > > The T41/42 have several advantages in general and especially for FreeBSD > users: > I have T41 and a T43p and I won't switch to a T60 as long > as it's not fully supported by FreeBSD. To be fair -- the unsupported things on my X60 are: -- SD slot. I know there is something in the works, but did not look at it. Probably irrelevant here as it does not exist on T41/T42. -- modem. As, I suspect, is the case with T41/T42. -- suspend. Which, AFAIK, is the mixed bag on T41/T42. The rest is working quite well. I did order it with the Atheros card though... and this brings us to the important point -- T41, T42 or X60 for that matter, are fairly broad designations, which cover serious variety of the wireless cards, network chipsets, video cards, LCD resolutions and CPU (if I am not mistaken latest X60 uses Core Duo 2, while mine -- model 1709-73U -- uses 32-bit Core Duo). One, really ought to look at the specific model's inventory. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 24 09:11:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE5B16A401 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from mta14.adelphia.net (mta14.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8254213C441 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([24.126.17.68]) by mta15.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20070224075113.JZGX22571.mta15.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net> for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:51:13 -0500 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B5E7CB6BF; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:03:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:03:48 -0500 From: Parv To: f-mobile Message-ID: <20070224080348.GA53481@holestein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: f-mobile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Thanks for ath|wireless work X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:11:30 -0000 I want to thank Warner L for mentioning "Belkin My Essentials Wireless G" card which I acquired yesterday from local OfficeMax, as the card is working lovely with DHCP (& WPA) for last 50 some minutes on FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE (Dec 13 2006). I am also grateful for Sam L & others' efforts on ath driver & related infrastructure. Forgive me if I do not know names of people who have contributed to the wireless work in FreeBSD. In order to use already available Intel 2200BG card (iwi driver), in IBM Thinkpad T42, I ha(d|ve) to assign a particular IP address which basically confine[ds] me to the home network (where I can be sure that the address will not be in conflict with those offered via DHCP). In any case, please remember (note to self, really) to check all your firewalls including MAC restrictions on both router & wireless unit, not only ipf rules, before thinking of writing to the list about dhclient getting no love or wpa_supplicant going in endless loop in vain. Here is some information about the card (MAC addresses obfuscated for whatever good that does) ... dmesg: pcib2: requested memory range 0xc0214000-0xc0214fff: good pcib2: matched entry for 2.2.INTA (src \\_SB_.LNKC:0) pcib2: slot 2 INTA routed to irq 11 via \\_SB_.LNKC pcib2: cardbus0 requested memory range 0xc0240000-0xc024ffff: good found-> vendor=0x168c, dev=0x001a, revid=0x01 bus=3, slot=0, func=0 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 cmdreg=0x0000, statreg=0x0290, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0xa8 (5040 ns), mingnt=0x0a (2500 ns), maxlat=0x1c (7000 ns) intpin=a, irq=11 powerspec 2 supports D0 D3 current D0 ath0: memory 0xc0240000-0xc024ffff irq 11 at device 0.0 on cardbus0 ath0: Reserved 0x10000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xc0240000 ath0: Reserved 0x1 bytes for rid 0 type 1 at 0xb ath0: [MPSAFE] ath0: bpf attached ath0: Ethernet address: 00:17:3f:xx:yy:zz ath0: bpf attached ath0: bpf attached ath0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps ath0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps ath0: mac 7.8 phy 4.5 radio 5.6 ath0: Use hw queue 1 for WME_AC_BE traffic ath0: Use hw queue 0 for WME_AC_BK traffic ath0: Use hw queue 2 for WME_AC_VI traffic ath0: Use hw queue 3 for WME_AC_VO traffic ath0: Use hw queue 8 for CAB traffic ath0: Use hw queue 9 for beacons pciconf -lv: ath0@pci3:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x701d1799 chip=0x001a168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network subclass = ethernet ifconfig ath0 (& caps): ath0: flags=8847 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.2.102 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.2.255 ether 00:17:3f:xx:yy:zz media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g (OFDM/48Mbps) status: associated ssid holy-cow3 channel 11 bssid 00:14:bf:aa:bb:cc authmode WPA privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF TKIP 2:128-bit TKIP 3:128-bit txpowmax 36 bmiss 7 protmode CTS burst roaming MANUAL bintval 100 ath0=783ed0f - Parv --