From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 00:18:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDBA16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@schnarff.com) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC6613C471 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@schnarff.com) Received: from c-68-49-149-185.hsd1.va.comcast.net ([68.49.149.185] helo=schnarff.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQBlP-0001cr-6v for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:18:15 -0500 Received: (qmail 28948 invoked by uid 67); 11 Mar 2007 00:18:14 -0000 Received: from 192.168.2.68 ([192.168.2.68]) by mail.schnarff.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:18:14 -0500 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 68.49.149.185 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: schnarff Message-ID: <20070310191814.l15cskkoqsgsosks@mail.schnarff.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:18:14 -0500 From: alex@schnarff.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> In-Reply-To: <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:16 -0000 Quoting Beech Rintoul : > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > On Saturday 10 March 2007 12:52, Wojciech Puchar said: >> can it be set to make possible to login root to machine through >> telnet and without telneting to some user and then su - >> ? >> >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. > > That is a REALLY BAD idea. Why don't you just publish your address and > set the root password to nothing. It's only going to take a cracker a > couple of minutes or less to own your server once they find you (and > they will). In fact, it's such a bad idea that there's a Snort rule for it (and a really old one at that): alert tcp $TELNET_SERVERS 23 -> $EXTERNAL_NET any (msg:"TELNET root login"; flow :from_server,established; content:"login|3A| root"; classtype:suspicious-login; sid:719; rev:7;) Of course, if you really want to do this, I agree with everyone else -- just put your IP on this list, and we'll help you right on out. :-) Alex Kirk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 00:18:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5048816A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED9213C471 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [216.218.220.25] (216-218-220-25.argonblue.net [216.218.220.25] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2B0IRjK077732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:18:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <45F34AD0.5040904@enabled.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:18:24 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Ragona References: <45F3422D.4030005@enabled.com> <45F34336.1040400@enabled.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20070310175332.0254ecc8@mail.computinginnovations.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20070310175332.0254ecc8@mail.computinginnovations.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: installing 6.2 from external USB DVD-ROM drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:18:30 -0000 how do I identify the filesystem and/or device that the cdrom is considered? Cheers, Noah Derek Ragona wrote: > If you boot then exit sysinstall to a prompt, try to mount the external > drive. If you can mount it, then rerun sysinstall and choose to install > from a mounted file system instead. > > -Derek > > At 05:45 PM 3/10/2007, Noah wrote: >> More details: >> >> I am able to boot and get to the installation utility but when I go to >> "choose installation media" and choose "CD/DVD" the response is "No >> CD/DVD devices found!" >> >> what can I do about this? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Noah >> >> >> Noah wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> is there a way to install FreeBSD from an external USB DVD-ROM drive? >>> I am at a loss of how to do it. >>> Cheers, >>> Noah >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for > their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 00:19:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC00916A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9409713C4A3 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [216.218.220.25] (216-218-220-25.argonblue.net [216.218.220.25] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2B0JNX1077751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:19:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <45F34B08.9040406@enabled.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:19:20 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Ragona References: <45F3422D.4030005@enabled.com> <45F34336.1040400@enabled.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20070310175332.0254ecc8@mail.computinginnovations.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20070310175332.0254ecc8@mail.computinginnovations.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: installing 6.2 from external USB DVD-ROM drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:19:25 -0000 if I attempt to exit sysinstall then it says the only other option is to reboot. Derek Ragona wrote: > If you boot then exit sysinstall to a prompt, try to mount the external > drive. If you can mount it, then rerun sysinstall and choose to install > from a mounted file system instead. > > -Derek > > At 05:45 PM 3/10/2007, Noah wrote: >> More details: >> >> I am able to boot and get to the installation utility but when I go to >> "choose installation media" and choose "CD/DVD" the response is "No >> CD/DVD devices found!" >> >> what can I do about this? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Noah >> >> >> Noah wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> is there a way to install FreeBSD from an external USB DVD-ROM drive? >>> I am at a loss of how to do it. >>> Cheers, >>> Noah >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for > their support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 01:12:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FBD16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon-bsd@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39C113C442 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon-bsd@comcast.net) Received: from [24.3.82.205] (c-24-3-82-205.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[24.3.82.205]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <20070311011206m1400fqc07e>; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:12:06 +0000 Message-ID: <45F35767.7040905@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:12:07 -0500 From: Jon Wolfgang User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6660f1280703101251w1fac7df7xc1d0eb23b22dafc9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6660f1280703101251w1fac7df7xc1d0eb23b22dafc9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: searching archives broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:12:06 -0000 Ed Zwart wrote: > Hi there, I'm new to the list, and have been trying to search the > archives at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/. No > matter what I search for, I get no results (even one-word searches > that should definitely have hits; eg, 'mail', 'hostname', etc). > > I want to search the archives before asking the group, but the archive > is way too large to make browsing feasible. Is search broken, or am I > missing something? > > e. I have noticed this too. The "fix" I found is changing the search field from "all" to "recent". For example, if I search for "mount", and search all, nothing is displayed. However, searching for "mount" with recent selected, returns results. I think it has to do with how many results it finds. Hope this helps, Jon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 01:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A179A16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDD013C494 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2B1a4dq042186; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:36:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l2B1a45G042185; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:36:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:36:04 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Roofscum614@aol.com Message-ID: <20070311013604.GA42165@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:39:10 -0000 On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 09:36:14PM -0500, Roofscum614@aol.com wrote: > hi i am doing a project for school: > > find an alternative operating system - one that will run my computer > without Windows being installed. The cheaper the better (Hint start your > search with the word "free"). Find out what the software does, what > applications it supports (e.g., will it run Microsoft Office), how much it > costs. You have found a good one. You need to go to the FreeBSD web site www.freebsd.org and do a lot of reading, both the handbook and the FAQ as well as other sites that are pointed to. FreeBSD is indeen free to download and use. You would need to burn your own installation CD (disk1). Optionally, there are a couple of companies who make up a package of pre-burned CDs and a printed handbook and sell them for a nominal price - and most donate a small part of that to the FreeBSD foundation.. FreeBSD has more than 10,000 software utilities that have been ported to run on it. Check our ports on the FreeBSD web site. It does not run Microsoft software directly, but many of those ports are worthy substitutes for the MSU software. For example, there is a package called 'Openoffice' that does most of the stuff MS Office can do. It's word processor is called swriter and can read and/or create files in MS-Word format as well as some others. It has a spread sheet, and presentation (power point) utility, etc. There are even desktop oriented window managers such as KDe if you must have all the pointy-clicky stuff (prefer a command line interface for most thing so don't bother with KDE). But, you must know that even though you can get a lot of questions answered here, you must do the work yourself. FreeBSD is not oriented toward preventing you from learning things and managing your own machine like some Northwest USA companies seem to want to do. That takes some effort, but results in a more powerful environment once you get things under control. So, download the ISO, burn it and install it and start esperimenting and learning and doing some actual computer work. ////jerry > > > does your OS relate to this project? any help would be appreciated. > > thank you > tom gunderman >


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Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 01:51:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1EA16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF8B13C49D for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2B1m6RK042261; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:48:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l2B1m6IR042260; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:48:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:48:06 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Dima Sorkin Message-ID: <20070311014806.GA42241@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh login as root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:51:11 -0000 On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 05:55:54PM +0200, Dima Sorkin wrote: > Hi. > It _seems_ that FreeBSD does not allow root to login remotely via ssh. > I can miss something, but if I right, how > do I allow it ? You can change the config file to allow it, but that is considered poor security. The thing to do is to create a non-root account to log in to and add that id to the wheel group in /etc/group file. Then log in as that user and su to root only for those things that need root. ////jerry > > Thanks and regards, > Dima. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 01:54:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C159B16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A3613C49D for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2B1p01Q042282; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:51:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l2B1p0GR042281; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:51:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:51:00 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Dima Sorkin Message-ID: <20070311015100.GB42241@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <3FCB18F9-CBF6-4D14-AD0F-92658914454E@rottnic.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh login as root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:54:05 -0000 On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 06:43:43PM +0200, Dima Sorkin wrote: > Hi. > Actually I would prefer to do it via "su". > Here a really newbie question: > 1) How do I join regular user to 'wheel' group ? > 2) How do I join a user to some group 'some_group' ?. > Which manpage to read ? Just edit the /etc/group file - using vi probably or any other text editor. On the line that establishes the wheel group, just add the user id on the end separated with a comma. eg. add ',otherid' to the end of the line. Save (write) and quit. It is now there. ////jerry > > Thanks, > Dima. > > On 3/10/07, Guido Demmenie wrote: > > >Default setting is that root can not login via ssh (and that's how > >you want it). > >You can use su(1) to gain root privileges when loged in on your box > >with a normal > >user if needed (if you are in the group wheel). > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 02:15:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C85116A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (dsl081-227-250.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BE413C461 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2B2Ef7F048871; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:14:41 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20070310201143.0251d000@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:14:28 -0600 To: Noah From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <45F34B08.9040406@enabled.com> References: <45F3422D.4030005@enabled.com> <45F34336.1040400@enabled.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20070310175332.0254ecc8@mail.computinginnovations.com> <45F34B08.9040406@enabled.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: installing 6.2 from external USB DVD-ROM drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:15:16 -0000 Usually it is: /dev/cd0 /dev/cd1 etc, depends on how many optical drives you have. In sysinstall, you can go to the index of functions and from there execute the start an emergency shell. That will start the emergency shell so you can do the manual mount on the other virtual terminal without leaving sysinstall. -Derek At 06:19 PM 3/10/2007, Noah wrote: >if I attempt to exit sysinstall then it says the only other option is to >reboot. > > >Derek Ragona wrote: >>If you boot then exit sysinstall to a prompt, try to mount the external >>drive. If you can mount it, then rerun sysinstall and choose to install >>from a mounted file system instead. >> -Derek >>At 05:45 PM 3/10/2007, Noah wrote: >>>More details: >>> >>>I am able to boot and get to the installation utility but when I go to >>>"choose installation media" and choose "CD/DVD" the response is "No >>>CD/DVD devices found!" >>> >>>what can I do about this? >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Noah >>> >>> >>>Noah wrote: >>>>Hi there, >>>>is there a way to install FreeBSD from an external USB DVD-ROM drive? >>>>I am at a loss of how to do it. >>>>Cheers, >>>>Noah >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>>-- >>>This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>>believed to be clean. >>>MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. >>-- This message has been scanned for viruses and >>dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >>believed to be clean. >>MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for >>their support. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. >MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 02:21:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0168716A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4C313C442 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1450275nfc for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:21:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EvpPY4+pEYHjgtZ8A7PP+FZKw0GRC219VoMr7ivi0dZHjEocvnPmAMCrx6SExI+Vyx+T/9llnVRuw36+lAjCjidmMnui9WTgFQ2Fy4aEyWrVEmZXBB8fhhi2Da5X5nbNbiBRiI4hgRjZNsFvKLyWyjVsbtRnzsrSP+Uq/MVtArk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QbLG0M73edYMXj30wh5/cByOH9heomkA+Zp676Ptt+kQ8VmBl23mPwufOsNYrFI5m4fZpSgqaR2m+TFNcVeyamIzFi0WBCvHbPswOt/Zd/njqbkTybVQdOYyfpRbBdjLHy/b8SK2fIMC9UCSi/1eNdK2GhGdIlzHZI5eXgS1+e8= Received: by 10.82.163.13 with SMTP id l13mr5803058bue.1173579692387; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.185.13 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:21:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6660f1280703101821s4390d297ga416edb9d6a03fa4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:21:32 -0800 From: "Ed Zwart" To: "Jon Wolfgang" In-Reply-To: <45F35767.7040905@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6660f1280703101251w1fac7df7xc1d0eb23b22dafc9@mail.gmail.com> <45F35767.7040905@comcast.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: searching archives broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:21:34 -0000 Jon, where are you searching from? The link I gave in my initial question does not have the 'recent' limiter you mentioned. thanks e. On 3/10/07, Jon Wolfgang wrote: > Ed Zwart wrote: > > Hi there, I'm new to the list, and have been trying to search the > > archives at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/. No > > matter what I search for, I get no results (even one-word searches > > that should definitely have hits; eg, 'mail', 'hostname', etc). > > > > I want to search the archives before asking the group, but the archive > > is way too large to make browsing feasible. Is search broken, or am I > > missing something? > > > > e. > I have noticed this too. The "fix" I found is changing the search field > from "all" to "recent". For example, if I search for "mount", and > search all, nothing is displayed. However, searching for "mount" with > recent selected, returns results. I think it has to do with how many > results it finds. Hope this helps, > Jon > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 04:33:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060E016A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B949913C428 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1806378wri for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=oF+riK3TlVwT1hJxTQBQyUNMJkUJbrtIyYsoNKhUxiMMDUzzbAfBPeDGtH9l9GsUq1B6B+Zw8g+lh4YyA64z+kiy5vRoHX5ODFfirWmAD1MvQOBqXYe/ToOdInEoxBwuQlhzIMc65EjJ1Va4TCEBaqVZU+TqCBPBFGtMxqrXE1I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=GKI4eyDJiHxb0ZjnHWU68W+xoxSlcYyoG6+aBM//JRCOcX/ZI+FIQaJcWSnP4mrHxN4f5dQ7cUwnp7iaTed8K968tTeQlPFNhj6dYidl+hRkPsG4Aq3duOf9W+ovVtAmkDQT2P3LyJfrvYKN4VoylM7+PC92npauAxVIav6s4os= Received: by 10.90.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr1844575agb.1173587619010; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.97.17 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:33:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:03:38 +0530 From: "Susanth K" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:33:40 -0000 Dear Friends, Am a beginner to *BSD OS. Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source Server ( No GUI required ) Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + PostgreSQL Which os Will be the BEST ? A) Debian Linux B) OpenBSD C) FreeBSD Which project has good Support and Active Development ? Please help me to choose THANKS IN ADVANCE SUSANTH K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 04:37:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0231A16A404 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from omr7.networksolutionsemail.com (omr7.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E5013C48E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr7.mgt.hosting.dc2.netsol.com [10.49.6.70]) by omr7.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2B4bkom029271 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:37:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 1203 invoked by uid 78); 11 Mar 2007 04:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.15.200?) (racerx@makeworld.com@71.113.184.254) by ns-omr7.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 04:37:46 -0000 Message-ID: <45F38795.1020001@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:37:41 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susanth K References: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 OpenPGP: id=C01BC363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: racerx@makeworld.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:37:50 -0000 Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Am a beginner to *BSD OS. > > Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source Server ( > No GUI required ) > > Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + > PostgreSQL > > Which os Will be the BEST ? > > A) Debian Linux > B) OpenBSD > C) FreeBSD D) The one you prefer... Let's not have this war... Ok? The best OS is the one that works for YOU.... -- Best regards, Chris Subject to change without notice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 04:58:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C83D16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F0B13C471 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from [192.168.1.29] (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FBB5C1F; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:58:48 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <45F38C87.80901@hdk5.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:58:47 -1000 From: NetOps Center User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061206) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susanth K References: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:58:49 -0000 Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Am a beginner to *BSD OS. > > Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source Server ( > No GUI required ) > > Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + > PostgreSQL > > Which os Will be the BEST ? > > A) Debian Linux > B) OpenBSD > C) FreeBSD > > Which project has good Support and Active Development ? > > Please help me to choose > > THANKS IN ADVANCE > > > SUSANTH K > _______________________________________________ I have used FreeBSD since version 3.* in the 1990's. I have used Linux but I still use FreeBSD (version 6* and 7*) on servers and some desktops. It is rock solid. If you learn it, and like it use it by all means. The support from the world wide mailing list of users is the best. > ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii > 808-284-2740 > + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + noc@hdk5.net + > + http://internetohana.org - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* + > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 05:07:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59F016A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE1E13C48D for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1728561ugh for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:07:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jwAZQOoG5OlXqwfO3M0os6nx3g6NsBNYxH6LVkiIh9dtCwCfJXm8BZBiQB5oHU/QXFqtboTyBNF5raseFdTAGDaSH+a/DeOB8eYB5HGOvMDjEG4dzm5NsmTDBVt7401sxpOFv8ofHDz9VwoaujtR2gZ4G+ZOezSbdH51Jf6g76w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M4yV2yyZQhkNPr/vcwfYo4GhZk5ox+e71iE7JKtr7fhFDT9BDZAKfZVwlHTGiR4OAFrsieJ91DHAxVEi0jg6IFO0ihSoy+UuqPgKB7dTzF6FsrWc3WlAl21+CzK+GJwjB9eG09cMAhYqmDqWqK3Kf6ITw8kzduoYS7tMA6IiQho= Received: by 10.114.137.2 with SMTP id k2mr695026wad.1173589667879; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.148.18 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:07:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <499c70c0703102107v23120c3fu1584a8c7ea43fb2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:07:47 +0300 From: "Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri" To: "Susanth K" In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703101006k78f29333s168cf93d9451d465@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6faf55220703101006k78f29333s168cf93d9451d465@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The MySQL Low Performance in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:07:50 -0000 On 3/10/07, Susanth K wrote: > Hai Every One, > > Do The Low Performance of MySQL on FreeBSD Still Exists ? ( in FreeBSD6.2 ) > > Please HELP > > SUSANTH K since FreeBSD 6.0 and using libthr instead of linuxthread, there is no low performance issues. Make sure you'll use MySQL 5.0.x from the ports instead of MySQL 4.x -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 05:10:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D03316A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC9213C47E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 31A02508E0; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:10:03 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20070311051003.31A02508E0@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:10:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2007-02-18 - 2007-03-10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:10:04 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 8-Mar : Jails under FreeBSD 6 Jails are great. Here's my recipie http://freebsddiary.org/jail-6.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 05:53:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004FE16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD5313C471 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQGzL-0008Q7-DT; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:52:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6faf55220703102033n10b90f92k7a71edddaa8b32a1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:52:57 -0700 To: Susanth K X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:53:00 -0000 On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Am a beginner to *BSD OS. > > Am interested in setting up intel / AMD based Free and Open Source > Server ( > No GUI required ) > > Prime area is Webserver With PHP/MySQL Support and Ruby On Rails. + > PostgreSQL > > Which os Will be the BEST ? > > A) Debian Linux > B) OpenBSD > C) FreeBSD For what you are doing, any of them would work. All are well supported and have active development. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 06:48:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BDE16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:48:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@tca-cable-connector.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DD113C474 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@tca-cable-connector.com) Received: from [218.16.58.208] (helo=munin.tcaportal.com) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1HQHqi3Ijj-0005G8; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:48:10 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.101] (unknown [125.93.192.159]) by munin.tcaportal.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A44A6C60 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:45:19 +0800 (HKT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7C9498EE-32A1-4F4A-B70C-B7AB6EA4731E@tca-cable-connector.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: FreeBSD Questions From: David Schulz Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:47:49 +0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:1405312fe15d228f5bad0d2fcbb6dc17 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX19tX69B67oILwR4Py/GSx9Uq+MFcn+CRmp6IPm oA6PsYGXRlPAp3JkdgAmFnAuMO/CaqbNzYUCecaqeOqEDfGVe2 N25W0mEBu1UoM+Q4cjtYw== Cc: Subject: some advice on sysctl tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:48:12 -0000 Hello all, i have a Server which does mail, and web+mysql+php. I have about 15 vhosts in Apache. Are there some neat sysctl Knobs i can turn to avoid potential Problems? Thanks a lot, David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:02:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE00A16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout7.cac.washington.edu (mxout7.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8912D13C467 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.141] (may be forged)) by mxout7.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B72qJ7002399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:02:52 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.10.42] (c-67-187-172-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.187.172.183]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B72oiT003728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:02:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:02:48 -0800 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.0.289146, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.0.283055, Antispam-Data: 2007.3.10.225433 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: "AMD64 -current iso laying around?" or "How to make a LiveCD from scratch?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:02:52 -0000 Just bought and built a new PC, comes with an Conroe-based Core 2 Duo, Realtek 8169 Gigabit chipset, JbMicron PATA / SATA RAID controller, and the like. Now, I can boot up the FreeBSD livecd perfectly fine, but when it comes to adding the interface the driver isn't present (although it is available if one compiles the kernel with the proper driver), and if I do install the system it fails to properly detect the root devices at boot (something to do with the RAID setup or numbering drives I believe). So, in an effort to get my system up and running I was wondering if someone could provide me with either a link to a v7 ISO available somewhere, or directions on how to make a FreeBSD LiveCD (I have 2 other IA32 systems kicking around I can use for building stuff :)..). As a wonderful sidenote, for kicks I tried to install Vista and I must say that it sucks.. blue screens / locks up every time I have a session open. This year is a year for Unix to come back because I sense a lot of bad problems for Windows / MS on the horizon.. Cheers and thanks! -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:10:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED3016A404 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C683713C441 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1486165nfc for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:10:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hJ7AnHnniOw8QK8foHe92V2KQNchRAHWOel0egx+9B9yMAf13WwPgVLjRmB5XwuSGQ8P+iiYl9YsZ3ZkviVCw9MNYsbjpKnOCy/uiNA360v0VzRDi27C91set6Ekteoz03u+TMHKSrvJ0tZo91mqZgFKiI6wJpJlhv9iHIyaySo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CCuANxTqrl02iX5/GHusktwJ98cRYuAv1QucV4awpAVn0HjO8FZrzM9t7zRwjAkmPB9P6WthIE6hlqfFzyYgSG2vUU+ZJFkWze530AQpxmCvqRJFI36XIiIK8hQ/53r/bLEnqHHq/LsB/dRytndeH5iy1EXQKM7dFJnPz7eHAyg= Received: by 10.82.114.3 with SMTP id m3mr5882687buc.1173597035867; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.163.14 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:10:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8cb6106e0703102310ydac5ea1u95a24dd66b650a13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:10:35 -0800 From: "Josh Carroll" To: "Garrett Cooper" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: "AMD64 -current iso laying around?" or "How to make a LiveCD from scratch?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh.carroll@psualum.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:10:37 -0000 > So, in an effort to get my system up and running I was wondering if > someone could provide me with either a link to a v7 ISO available > somewhere, or directions on how to make a FreeBSD LiveCD (I have 2 > other IA32 systems kicking around I can use for building stuff :)..). There are 7.0-CURRENT snapshots available on ftp.freebsd.org, for example: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200703/7.0-CURRENT-200703-amd64-disc1.iso Josh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:11:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C969916A405 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BEC13C491 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7Ba0T066499; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:11:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7BZxO066488; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:11:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:11:35 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20070310225536.GA47985@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20070311081118.C66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6faf55220703100845u62eab431y3a16ae0d8cb3bba7@mail.gmail.com> <55D533EB-26F9-40B7-838B-8BCB9D0A9463@tca-cable-connector.com> <20070310223906.E8914@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070310225536.GA47985@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: David Schulz , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:38 -0000 >> to be clear. >> >> kernel task (disk I/O, network etc.) is always on first processor, >> everything else on any CPU. > > This is incorrect for approximately the last 7 years (it is only true > for FreeBSD 4.x and below). > > Kris > hmm.. nice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:11:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1343B16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23CE13C461 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.0/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2B7BCFZ027549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:11:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/Submit) id l2B7BCAD027548; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:11:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:11:12 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Garrett Cooper Message-ID: <20070311071112.GS86959@dan.emsphone.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.14 (2007-02-12) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: "AMD64 -current iso laying around?" or "How to make a LiveCD from scratch?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:11:41 -0000 In the last episode (Mar 10), Garrett Cooper said: > Just bought and built a new PC, comes with an Conroe-based Core 2 > Duo, Realtek 8169 Gigabit chipset, JbMicron PATA / SATA RAID > controller, and the like. Now, I can boot up the FreeBSD livecd > perfectly fine, but when it comes to adding the interface the driver > isn't present (although it is available if one compiles the kernel > with the proper driver), and if I do install the system it fails to > properly detect the root devices at boot (something to do with the > RAID setup or numbering drives I believe). > > So, in an effort to get my system up and running I was wondering if > someone could provide me with either a link to a v7 ISO available > somewhere, or directions on how to make a FreeBSD LiveCD (I have 2 > other IA32 systems kicking around I can use for building stuff :)..). CDs for current are available at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ ; pick the latest dated subdirectory. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:13:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D5416A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D50213C481 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7DIJx066662; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:13:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7DH8q066659; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:13:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:13:17 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Kevin Kinsey In-Reply-To: <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> Message-ID: <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:13:22 -0000 > > Err, sure; and for completeness, be sure and send the IP back to this list, > and publish it on the front page of your website/blog/whatnot. and what if i will? do you know my root password? > > OK, cynicism aside, why on earth would you want to do this? That's a fool's > errand in today's world. Or, are you on a 2-machine network via crossover if you can't answer the question, just shut up. EOT From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:16:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC8C16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7293213C4A7 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7Gigj067054 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7GihF067051 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:44 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> Message-ID: <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:16:46 -0000 > can it be set to make possible to login root to machine through telnet and > without telneting to some user and then su - > ? > > with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. > once again - can someone answer my question instead of giving very "intelligent" comments? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:22:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BBA16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:22:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F46513C471 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:22:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9] (may be forged)) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B7MChh027877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:22:12 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.10.42] (c-67-187-172-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.187.172.183]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B7MCwt026719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:22:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070311071112.GS86959@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20070311071112.GS86959@dan.emsphone.com> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:22:10 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.0.289146, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.0.283055, Antispam-Data: 2007.3.10.230933 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: "AMD64 -current iso laying around?" or "How to make a LiveCD from scratch?" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:22:13 -0000 On Mar 10, 2007, at 11:11 PM, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Mar 10), Garrett Cooper said: >> Just bought and built a new PC, comes with an Conroe-based Core 2 >> Duo, Realtek 8169 Gigabit chipset, JbMicron PATA / SATA RAID >> controller, and the like. Now, I can boot up the FreeBSD livecd >> perfectly fine, but when it comes to adding the interface the driver >> isn't present (although it is available if one compiles the kernel >> with the proper driver), and if I do install the system it fails to >> properly detect the root devices at boot (something to do with the >> RAID setup or numbering drives I believe). >> >> So, in an effort to get my system up and running I was wondering if >> someone could provide me with either a link to a v7 ISO available >> somewhere, or directions on how to make a FreeBSD LiveCD (I have 2 >> other IA32 systems kicking around I can use for building stuff :)..). > > CDs for current are available at > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ ; pick the latest dated > subdirectory. > > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com Oh nice! Thanks (both of you) guys! -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:25:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3814416A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E186B13C474 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.0/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2B7PBVE057648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:25:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/Submit) id l2B7PABw057647; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:25:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:25:10 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Kelly Jones Message-ID: <20070311072510.GT86959@dan.emsphone.com> References: <26face530703101126td84a6foa8d6bea2d5a13fd2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26face530703101126td84a6foa8d6bea2d5a13fd2@mail.gmail.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.14 (2007-02-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD equivalents of hwclock and adjtimex? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:25:27 -0000 In the last episode (Mar 10), Kelly Jones said: > What are the FreeBSD equivalents of hwclock (view/set the BIOS > hardware clock) and adjtimex (adjust clock speed)? I couldn't find > these two well-known Linux commands in ports? FreeBSD sets the hardware clock whenever settimeofday() is called (unless the sysctl machdep.disable_rtc_set is set). I don't think there's a way to retrieve the current hardware clock settings from userland. Linux's adjtimex(2) is called ntp_adjtime(2) in FreeBSD. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:31:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB5216A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF1E13C4B6 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1823785wri for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=CihCxRyU8tU55oj/m/+X2NfWxPdwKq0tTKR9X13V1xW2qtrOKTKPzKS+TdDOGZPfaAyvwWvbqcQnfci/9DQnccTXIr7OgKAN2IPhGI37x1vzUx6cDSewDvFOF6Syr4vKZDavF56tXf686BcYPJPjcl5gfB3soEf51tGlmC5o02E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=D4c5ppN4fiNC0rO3rkso38Pg9nphBlPOlGEA0QlQHPGHmH9VwC7QwsRz1kzlCx5I+r78scNtQFtA2AEvpHmp0s876bkhvV0pWGuoRd9dYFdVP/yShYrqwplIfAixuv7YVfG4tlDGdaIBb47ohTLsHUGZZ4enGsQdO4019tD8iVY= Received: by 10.90.78.9 with SMTP id a9mr1982551agb.1173598291423; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.97.17 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6faf55220703102331k48e2dfadmba73df423c1e05fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:01:31 +0530 From: "Susanth K" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Max CPUs in SMP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:32 -0000 Which UNIX flavour supports the MAX CPS in SMP ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:31:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C607816A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout5.cac.washington.edu (mxout5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07A013C481 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout5.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B7VYUp026139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:34 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.10.42] (c-67-187-172-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.187.172.183]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id l2B7VXSo032539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:31:32 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.0.289146, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.0.283055, Antispam-Data: 2007.3.10.231934 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:31:34 -0000 On Mar 10, 2007, at 11:16 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> can it be set to make possible to login root to machine through >> telnet and without telneting to some user and then su - >> ? >> >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. >> > once again - can someone answer my question instead of giving very > "intelligent" comments? Not sure. If I'm reading ttys(5) correctly though this is the section of interest: ``secure'' (if ``on'' is also specified) allows users with a uid of 0 to login on this line. The flag ``dialin'' indicates that a tty entry describes a dialin line, and ``network'' indicates that a tty entry pro- vides a network connection. Either of these strings may also be speci- fied in the terminal type field. The string ``window='' may be followed by a quoted command string which init(8) will execute before starting the command specified by the second field. So I think that the following would be valid (but possibly dangerous if you use other login daemons like rshd, sshd for logging in remotely); that may be fixable with a firewall though and specific rules to each daemon though. In ttys (near bottom), instead of: ttyp0 none network try: ttyp0 none network on secure and repeat for the rest of the ttys you wish to enable the option for. Why not use root login with telnet or standard getty through serial though :\? -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:41:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365F516A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B23513C48E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7EYO1066800; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:14:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7EXAc066797; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:14:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:14:33 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Beech Rintoul In-Reply-To: <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> Message-ID: <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:27 -0000 >> >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. > > That is a REALLY BAD idea. Why don't you just publish your address and > set the root password to nothing. It's only going to take a cracker a > couple of minutes or less to own your server once they find you (and > they will). another stupid one not answering the question. could you describe how you get my password in a couple of minutes if you are so intelligent? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:41:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FE916A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC71413C49D for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7Fdls066926; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:15:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7FZ61066913; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:15:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:15:35 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: alex@schnarff.com In-Reply-To: <20070310191814.l15cskkoqsgsosks@mail.schnarff.com> Message-ID: <20070311081449.V66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070310191814.l15cskkoqsgsosks@mail.schnarff.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:28 -0000 > alert tcp $TELNET_SERVERS 23 -> $EXTERNAL_NET any (msg:"TELNET root login"; > flow > :from_server,established; content:"login|3A| root"; > classtype:suspicious-login; > sid:719; rev:7;) > could you please tell me who will be snorting it on MY network? > Of course, if you really want to do this, I agree with everyone else -- just > put your IP on this list, and we'll help you right on out. :-) > just answer my question, you VIM (very intelligent man). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:41:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA8116A405 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD69213C4A3 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2B7G4IK066968; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2B7G4Pa066965; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:04 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20070311014806.GA42241@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20070311081548.K66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070311014806.GA42241@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Dima Sorkin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh login as root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:41:41 -0000 On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 05:55:54PM +0200, Dima Sorkin wrote: > >> Hi. >> It _seems_ that FreeBSD does not allow root to login remotely via ssh. see /etc/ssh/sshd_config and change permitroot to yes From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 07:42:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A88616A407 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:42:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87F113C467 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:42:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99051A3C1C; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B68F512B3; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:42:37 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Susanth K Message-ID: <20070311074237.GA58823@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <6faf55220703102331k48e2dfadmba73df423c1e05fc@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703102331k48e2dfadmba73df423c1e05fc@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Max CPUs in SMP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:42:39 -0000 --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 01:01:31PM +0530, Susanth K wrote: > Which UNIX flavour supports the MAX CPS in SMP ? This isn't really a meaningful question. Do you really have a system with e.g. 1024 CPUs that you need to run an OS on? If not, what hardware are you really asking about? Kris --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF87LtWry0BWjoQKURAmgTAJ41WVTn/Vvt+dgf/UPtZcjumKfNCACgifOb CFwBxdQyw1a9spVcR7I1btk= =qU0q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 08:37:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC04E16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3B713C478 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1830324wri for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:37:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=REtuoloqCFKJM6aqpZvhDgB5vvhnXXaQHh5ZIaaKWRH5jRES9kloj9HHrY0ypsmaHCpRiZtqwy5sNAIsgei6iQFVc5XM6Udsfd39WkfLEkZwf/XHhyc5BnZCUS7+4VvlNZ7aMlu+ohxLxVxyuzE4MVWSebOB9yNKknIQTTu+dQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=rmeEYEMmBoSp4HVYoRt5bruyRzfxgwTdWCqeqANdkw5lSXfKboN30GEH+6eC7a5VnMlVTvqT/Kco6hfdfKuNBEjU8fgpVfD8yaV1CLdd7+ZaxbK5ewPfk3YVLkLjGc/1X2SSA3sC2z3uvdrqu63KbtzRGm9KVsDTBpsHLS0qj8I= Received: by 10.90.69.8 with SMTP id r8mr1933111aga.1173602224100; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.97.17 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:37:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6faf55220703110037r1bda3b9y16b451ed220d1c78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:07:04 +0530 From: "Susanth K" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: The FreeBSD7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:37:05 -0000 Wikipedia says, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebsd FreeBSD 7.0 is on >> Improved scheduler and locking scalability for 32+ CPU systems (prototyping) Does Any One know How Many CPU Does FreeBSD 6.2 Supports ? THANKS IN ADVANCE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 09:03:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DFB16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@alaskaparadise.com) Received: from stargate.alaskaparadise.com (7-137-58-66.gci.net [66.58.137.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2F713C491 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@alaskaparadise.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stargate.alaskaparadise.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8B47DB2; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:03:35 -0900 (AKST) From: Beech Rintoul Organization: FreeBSD Port Maintainer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:03:30 -0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> X-Face: jC2w\k*Q1\0DA2Q0Eh&BrP/Rt2M,^2O#R07VoT98m*>miQF9%Bi9vy`F6cPjwEe?m,)=?utf-8?q?2=0A=09X=3FM=5C=3AOE9QgZ?="xT3/n3,3MJ7N=Cfkmi%f(w^~X"SUxn>; 27NO; C+)g[7J`$G*SN>{<=?utf-8?q?O=3Bg7=7C=0A=09o=7D=265A=5D4?=@7D`=Eb@Zs1Ln814?]|k@'bG=.Ca"[|8+_.OsNAo8!#?4u MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703110003.32974.beech@alaskaparadise.com> Cc: Wojciech Puchar Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: beech@alaskaparadise.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:03:37 -0000 On Saturday 10 March 2007 22:14, Wojciech Puchar said: > >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. > > > > That is a REALLY BAD idea. Why don't you just publish your > > address and set the root password to nothing. It's only going to > > take a cracker a couple of minutes or less to own your server > > once they find you (and they will). > > another stupid one not answering the question. > > could you describe how you get my password in a couple of minutes > if you are so intelligent? There are and have been many known exploits through telnet. The most recent one a couple of weeks ago affects SunOS where you can, using telnet, get root privileges without even logging in as root. Telnet does everything in clear text including passwords. All that's needed is to get in and install some network sniffing and the first time root logs in they would have the password. For a valid normal user on the LAN, it would be even easier. If you're looking for ease of login look into ssh and keys, that way you don't even need a password. Details are in the handbook. Even works from windows. I don't know anyone that still uses telnet except for testing on a totally closed network. An ISP I worked for disabled it and firewalled the port more than five years ago. Beech -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - Port Maintainer - beech@alaskaparadise.com /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://www.freebsd.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Latest Release: / \ - http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/announce.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 09:43:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4ABC16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5583113C461 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1256483wxc for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:43:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m10177Q5DAfOTVn2IAaQp9N/lj5cryjCHy9bsvi9mHORZZXtuIm4m74HNtT53xo1NDhCrklufvUsSRMXM5ZG+K7Z6nVZsV9F/odZwJ+X6s2VMMSBavu/q2IUOD8yn0kziiLpDcFLAy0+hEK9bz3TASEP4ROImJqClNYZGx6PttQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oDsAmmTzQYKiFJqmKQcaPcCkkLriHPsc/Foq2MSpR3nAJnVTM9diiOaPC2gEckrB4QZNKnZxlKV8iFRMGh3t3oH8TfmJev4lxs2c4qP3/O4jzk+vdOfPYSwuO9aa3w9dSc2UZU/vSpSpfxRrwRn3kMZ6NiVwEucgJ5sbtF9QD3Q= Received: by 10.70.74.1 with SMTP id w1mr7605782wxa.1173606221729; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.14.15 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:43:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:43:41 +0000 From: "Christian Walther" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:43:42 -0000 On 11/03/07, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. > > > > That is a REALLY BAD idea. Why don't you just publish your address and > > set the root password to nothing. It's only going to take a cracker a > > couple of minutes or less to own your server once they find you (and > > they will). > > another stupid one not answering the question. > > could you describe how you get my password in a couple of minutes if you > are so intelligent? Oh, it's really simple: *If* the machine you're trying to configure root access via telnet is connected to the internet - in other terms the telnet port on the machine is accessible from the internet - one can actually brute force his/her way in. And in days of broadband connection several hundred different passwords can be guessed in a matter of seconds. There are tools like "john" that can do a bruteforce or dictionary attacks against password files, but there are similar tools that can do this over the network. To answer the question who should be able to snort you: Some script kiddies who don't understand what's actually going on, but who want to have some fun. This is why you've been told that configuring root access via telnet is a bad idea, just as any other here on this list is being told that it is a bad to configure root login via ssh - for the very same reason. And people asked you for your IP so that they could take care of your host. Since we can't know the IP adress of your host we had to ask. ;) But people who want to crack other machines don't need specific IP adress, they just scan entire networks. As most list members can tell you there are constant attacks against open ssh ports are going on. So this isn't stupidity really. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 09:52:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584CA16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:52:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@tca-cable-connector.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E413313C491 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@tca-cable-connector.com) Received: from [218.16.58.208] (helo=munin.tcaportal.com) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1HQKir22ji-0005ov; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:52:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.101] (unknown [125.93.192.159]) by munin.tcaportal.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DFEA6C60 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:49:27 +0800 (HKT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110037r1bda3b9y16b451ed220d1c78@mail.gmail.com> References: <6faf55220703110037r1bda3b9y16b451ed220d1c78@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Schulz Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:52:03 +0800 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+n63VS4vKdcmsr5W1DiPfw8Qab4jEEYxOxoka k2U4TmbsLgWuYsTrpGad8hJkOhMyVY5/d2S5IGxYEv+VfuNB2P DcJrXAbP0ACpQTFTxBkYw== Cc: Subject: Re: The FreeBSD7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:52:15 -0000 did we not have this question yet? On Mar 11, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Susanth K wrote: > Wikipedia says, > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebsd > > FreeBSD 7.0 is on >> Improved scheduler and locking scalability > for 32+ CPU > systems (prototyping) > > Does Any One know How Many CPU Does FreeBSD 6.2 Supports ? > > THANKS IN ADVANCE > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 10:08:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD7016A406 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CE213C491 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BA7wAJ084539; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:07:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BA7wL2084536; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:07:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:07:57 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Beech Rintoul In-Reply-To: <200703110003.32974.beech@alaskaparadise.com> Message-ID: <20070311110735.B84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703110003.32974.beech@alaskaparadise.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:08:01 -0000 >> if you are so intelligent? > > There are and have been many known exploits through telnet. The most > recent one a couple of weeks ago affects SunOS where you can, using > telnet, get root privileges without even logging in as root. Telnet does it affect FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 10:09:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B4116A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:09:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF0E13C4AA for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BA99IV084689; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:09:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BA98CZ084686; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:09:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:09:08 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Christian Walther In-Reply-To: <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:09:09 -0000 > > Oh, it's really simple: *If* the machine you're trying to configure > root access via telnet is connected to the internet - in other terms > the telnet port on the machine is accessible from the internet - one > can actually brute force his/her way in. so please crack me 83.18.148.142 or 2001:4070:101:1::2 through telnetd From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 10:52:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A90E16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howie@thingy.com) Received: from mail.thingy.com (wotsit.thingy.com [212.21.100.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00F813C441 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howie@thingy.com) Received: (qmail 22409 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2007 10:52:47 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.12?) (howie@thingy.com@212.21.124.49) by wotsit3.thingy.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 10:52:47 +0000 Message-ID: <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:52:55 +0000 From: Howard Jones User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:52:51 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> can it be set to make possible to login root to machine through >> telnet and without telneting to some user and then su - >> ? >> >> with sshd and rshd it can be set, with telnetd - no success. >> > once again - can someone answer my question instead of giving very > "intelligent" comments? > _______________________________________________ If I remember correctly, you edit /etc/ttys and set some of your ttyp* (i.e. network ptys) to be 'SECURE'. It really isn't a good idea though. The reason I don't remember is that I haven't done it in about 10 years. If it's a remote program that needs root access, you can probably do something with ssh - you can allow ssh RootLogin, but not with passwords only public key auth, and you can *also* limit the key to be allowed to only connect from certain addresses and only run specific commands (e.g. some backup software works this way). You can have multiple keys with different restrictions even - Host A can run rsync only, and host B can run rdiff-backup only. Howie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 11:13:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67E916A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:13:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187C813C441 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BBD8tM091356; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BBD8Fx091353; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:07 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Howard Jones In-Reply-To: <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> Message-ID: <20070311120541.Y90539@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:13:13 -0000 >> once again - can someone answer my question instead of giving very >> "intelligent" comments? >> _______________________________________________ > If I remember correctly, you edit /etc/ttys and set some of your ttyp* (i.e. > network ptys) to be 'SECURE'. It really isn't a good idea though. The reason it works. but it is strange solution, as rshd and sshd can be set up this way. why telnetd can't? i tried allow_root in /etc/pam.d/telnetd every place (like with /etc/pam/rsh) and it doesn't work. > something with ssh - you can allow ssh RootLogin, but not with passwords only yes i already use PermitRootLogin in sshd_config and ssh root login works. same with rshd by changing /etc/pam.d/rsh but with telnet it does not. very funny is reading other people's replies about security, showing that they simply don't understand how things works. i don't ask if telnetd can be sniffed, because i know it can. as well as telnet when logging to non-root user, as well as rsh. and if there were exploits for telnetd for SunOS or FreeBSD, they exploited bugs in telnetd, and not guessing root password. so allowing root login or not doesn't make any difference. so generalizing that "telnet and rsh is bad" is as stupid as telling that oxygen is bad as it makes fires. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 10 23:44:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDEE16A408 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:44:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prandal@herefordshire.gov.uk) Received: from gateway.herefordshire.gov.uk (gateway.herefordshire.gov.uk [81.171.138.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D1613C4B2 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prandal@herefordshire.gov.uk) Received: from hc-exfe02.herefordshire.gov.uk ([10.1.251.245]) by gateway.herefordshire.gov.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2ANNamY006580; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:23:36 GMT Received: from HC-MBX02.herefordshire.gov.uk ([10.1.250.54]) by hc-exfe02.herefordshire.gov.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:23:36 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:23:35 -0000 Message-ID: <7EF0EE5CB3B263488C8C18823239BEBA03CEA0@HC-MBX02.herefordshire.gov.uk> In-reply-to: <26face530703101127l558d2db7y54ddb6674d663383@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? Thread-Index: AcdjSknO27CbNRFjSry+oMP8MVOQ8gAINRWw References: <26face530703101127l558d2db7y54ddb6674d663383@mail.gmail.com> From: "Randal, Phil" To: "Kelly Jones" , , , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2007 23:23:36.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[20D021B0:01C7636B] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (gateway.herefordshire.gov.uk [172.27.0.2]); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:23:37 +0000 (GMT) X-herefordshire-gov-uk-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-herefordshire-gov-uk-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: prandal@herefordshire.gov.uk X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:18:46 +0000 Cc: Subject: RE: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:44:09 -0000 smf-sav is one sendmail milter which does this: http://smfs.sourceforge.net/smf-sav.html SAV v1.3.0 - console utility for e-Mail Sender Address Verification (also at http://smfs.sf.net/ ) Cheers, Phil -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Jones [mailto:kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com]=20 Sent: 10 March 2007 19:28 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; users@spamassassin.apache.org; linuxusersgroup@googlegroups.com; nmlug@nmlug.org; nmosug-l@mailman.swcp.com Subject: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? To fight spam, I want to validate the address (not necessarily in real-time) of the a given email sender. Is there a Unix tool that does this? The basics are simple: to validate "kmnyqi@wnonline.net", I connect to the MX record of wnonline.net and go as far as "RCPT TO" as follows: > host -t mx wnonline.net wnonline.net mail is handled by 5 wnspf.bayou.com. > telnet wnspf.bayou.com. 25 Trying 209.209.192.75... Connected to wnspf.bayou.com.. Escape character is '^]'. 220 Welcome to Bayou mxfilter HELO domaintester.com 250 mxfilter.bayou.com MAIL FROM: 250 Ok RCPT TO: 550 : Recipient address rejected: 5.1.1 ... User unknown QUIT 221 Bye Connection closed by foreign host. This tells me kmnyqi@wnonline.net is an invalid address and that mail from that address is probably bogus. A more sophisticated tool would cache results, handle temporary failures (eg, inability to connect to the MX server), handle multiple MX records, perhaps even publish results [carefully, to avoid giving spammers a source of legit email addresses!], etc. Plus, I'd prefer to use a tested tool vs hacking something up myself. I realize this technique is far from perfect: Spammers spoof legit addresses Bounces/Mailing lists/etc legitimately use "do not reply" addresses It could be considered unfriendly to the target MX servers Some mail servers incorrectly say "user unknown" when they see spam, figuring it's more of a deterrent than saying "you're a spammer" Some mail servers inefficiently accept mail for "foo@xxx.com" (where xxx.com is one of their domains), figure out if foo exists later, and send a bounce back to the envelope sender, instead of rejecting email at the SMTP level (a really good tool would create throwaway addresses to catch these cases too) ... but I still think it might help. --=20 We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 11:28:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386C816A407 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howie@thingy.com) Received: from mail.thingy.com (wotsit.thingy.com [212.21.100.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8087F13C442 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:28:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howie@thingy.com) Received: (qmail 23361 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2007 11:28:31 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.12?) (howie@thingy.com@212.21.124.49) by wotsit3.thingy.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 11:28:31 +0000 Message-ID: <45F3E7E6.6060908@thingy.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:28:38 +0000 From: Howard Jones User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> <20070311120541.Y90539@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070311120541.Y90539@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] [freebsd-questions] root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:28:33 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > so generalizing that "telnet and rsh is bad" is as stupid as telling > that oxygen is bad as it makes fires. Well, that's true, but if you have the choice, there are better choices. You *can* hammer in nails with the butt of a gun, but there's a chance you'll somehow shoot yourself in the arm. A hammer doesn't have that risk. There have been *many* problems over the years with rsh and telnet. rsh's security model comes from a time when people thought computers would never lie to each other. SSH does allow you to give only enough access, with the side-benefits (in your case) of compression and encryption. Even if you used ssh without those, the key-based authentication is still safer, and the code more modern and securely designed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 12:41:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED3616A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171D713C48A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BCNjwj098581; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:23:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BCNiF1098578; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:23:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:23:44 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Howard Jones In-Reply-To: <45F3E7E6.6060908@thingy.com> Message-ID: <20070311132239.W98425@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> <20070311120541.Y90539@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3E7E6.6060908@thingy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] [freebsd-questions] root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:41:26 -0000 > There have been *many* problems over the years with rsh and telnet. rsh's > security model comes from a time when people thought computers would never exactly true. so i use rsh between MY machines and rsh and telnet when sniffing is not a problem. wasn't easier just to answer the question? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 13:09:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9082216A407 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luizbcampos@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C74A13C468 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luizbcampos@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1797037ugh for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:09:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=f6Hb8h7s5HHVbalgvLANLeq2jViLTtcTyMnong/SCKdtsteHuy0tKRaT99UfDZwuChLsaUZMNWwa2MPVj7Rme1XQ2rRrlSoZSVp4LzlXjnEUFp9GafE3O/yVAYisE5kH8qpYNN0SWkiv2cHFyrbuieyrBR1wLh2+OxxleFoZJqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Ai3cR90J9687RI/fKmevor9FL23TLk8ZrIUm8X7H1l9i2//8U7rGgcoD0uy0HB7JYno/yUsYBgZnXHXCS4X1FPFTy/uS6YqjcOskscR27D9yBKNfkvJ3MSp6uX4gr8y7YDIQyQYugqVLMgI7cSWWiBb2RcEYeEoN5AAEptRzMmg= Received: by 10.70.91.11 with SMTP id o11mr7925286wxb.1173617078381; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.47.2 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:44:38 +0000 From: "Luiz A B de Campos" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: installing i386.rpm files on FBSD-6.1 amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:09:47 -0000 Is it possible to do this? I've already installed linux_base-8 and rpm ports but when I try to install a "i386.rpm" file the system claims for some libs (libpopt, libtiff, glibc.so.6 , libxml, bash) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 13:14:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D68E16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:14:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C584113C468 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1865349wri for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:14:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=YHgFdPx4BIIDq5panFtTXbEmt7updygobh6y6lPmK1UTmlLCsQKOkcFSHph8XkMbwXSlOwu95L+qf5aZG3El/Bl1vcGNRE1paVAV+wEPgnommAurmS1OHn6kU2mBoaaHps2So+6qC/XW19koHNW3QNED3a8fk1OV1GlmvLIIFBo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=bu016smFdI4hqaHdETEHHb6y1/CGx3/x0yP6KSE8Kmn6Xn2lZhf8v/UHa7SrfVELL2Yf8hh9k7HB0iREwm0qaLGbJtTCiyMsz7nblplgNyOwzToxIr/M+srciZR8SKuYirvQlc1BxInBtkM3KwttopbR1fPkrnBxRAhtcaa+W2o= Received: by 10.90.92.7 with SMTP id p7mr2235409agb.1173618859283; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.97.17 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:44:19 +0530 From: "Susanth K" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:14:20 -0000 Dear Friends, When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released ? SUSANTH K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 13:02:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1278A16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:02:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jm@jmason.org) Received: from dogma.boxhost.net (dogma.boxhost.net [80.169.141.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A483313C489 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jm@jmason.org) Received: from radish.jmason.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.boxhost.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE2131007A; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:32:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jmason.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by radish.jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A326032CD9; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:31:42 +0100 (CET) To: "Kelly Jones" In-Reply-To: <26face530703101127l558d2db7y54ddb6674d663383@mail.gmail.com> From: jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 1368 71CE 3627 9CD3 FA1B 0B63 3091 7972 298B C7D0 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:31:42 +0000 Sender: jm@jmason.org Message-Id: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:14:37 +0000 Cc: nmosug-l@mailman.swcp.com, linuxusersgroup@googlegroups.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, nmlug@nmlug.org, users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:02:37 -0000 for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this as an anti-spam technique. Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers looking to evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to find real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! Hence, the spam recipients now get twice as much mail from each spam run -- spam aimed at them, *and* bounce blowback from hundreds of spams aimed at others, forged to appear to be from them. It's the obvious response to SAV, which is one reason why we never implemented something like that in SpamAssassin. --j. Kelly Jones writes: > To fight spam, I want to validate the address (not necessarily in > real-time) of the a given email sender. Is there a Unix tool that does > this? > > The basics are simple: to validate "kmnyqi@wnonline.net", I connect to > the MX record of wnonline.net and go as far as "RCPT TO" as follows: > > > host -t mx wnonline.net > wnonline.net mail is handled by 5 wnspf.bayou.com. > > > telnet wnspf.bayou.com. 25 > Trying 209.209.192.75... > Connected to wnspf.bayou.com.. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 Welcome to Bayou mxfilter > HELO domaintester.com > 250 mxfilter.bayou.com > MAIL FROM: > 250 Ok > RCPT TO: > 550 : Recipient address rejected: 5.1.1 > ... User unknown > QUIT > 221 Bye > Connection closed by foreign host. > > This tells me kmnyqi@wnonline.net is an invalid address and that mail > from that address is probably bogus. > > A more sophisticated tool would cache results, handle temporary > failures (eg, inability to connect to the MX server), handle multiple > MX records, perhaps even publish results [carefully, to avoid giving > spammers a source of legit email addresses!], etc. Plus, I'd prefer to > use a tested tool vs hacking something up myself. > > I realize this technique is far from perfect: > > Spammers spoof legit addresses > > Bounces/Mailing lists/etc legitimately use "do not reply" addresses > > It could be considered unfriendly to the target MX servers > > Some mail servers incorrectly say "user unknown" when they see spam, > figuring it's more of a deterrent than saying "you're a spammer" > > Some mail servers inefficiently accept mail for "foo@xxx.com" (where > xxx.com is one of their domains), figure out if foo exists later, and > send a bounce back to the envelope sender, instead of rejecting email > at the SMTP level (a really good tool would create throwaway addresses > to catch these cases too) > > ... but I still think it might help. > > -- > We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying > to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to > new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 13:49:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51C716A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drewjenkinsjr@yahoo.com) Received: from web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.75.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B9C013C43E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drewjenkinsjr@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23288 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2007 13:49:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uuS0Y8rv5/tP6L/+0qVpF3oeuh0aCtvrtOv/4RRXxCZkjOMZbSbck/DnnlaxpbrlwMiRP4z4pe7euNPQmdF1Q6mRLM/Zc64t1JNVtS534XaynXgewc1G+rmtI9nQC2/1utG4qk2Nuyj2374Vc+AzemxBJqnfAMjuZ19ShO6xCEM=; X-YMail-OSG: oISgpM4VM1nBggdh5..J8w9zOzyD6GuxsEF_8_7sIg.GcvTZpJ0FGXU_hFtAQREGfuwm0HNsmc8oqMVoonsWcM6VpQrPbl0.oASLjIcf.TbIoIdHmOUaRynOBIJhYFry Received: from [69.19.14.32] by web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:49:23 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Jenkins To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <751051.21217.qm@web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: clean-hoststat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:49:24 -0000 Hi; Just built a new server and got this error: Removing stale entries from sendmail host status cache: /etc/periodic/daily/150.clean-hoststat: purgestat: Permission denied # ls -al /etc/periodic/daily/150.clean-hoststat -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 588 Jan 12 07:42 /etc/periodic/daily/150.clean-hoststat Please advise. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 14:09:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C9D16A40F for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from sipserver.k1.com.br (customer-200195195217.idc.onda.com.br [200.195.195.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5010E13C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from k1.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sipserver.k1.com.br (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2BCR9N3026729 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:09:54 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (k1.com.br) Received: from [201.21.172.89] (authenticated as lenzi) by k1.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 14:09:53 -0000 From: Sergio Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:09:52 -0300 Message-Id: <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:09:57 -0000 Hello... I see you issues about telenet... I use the inetd+telnet for more than 20 years and using BSD with RSA, and obviiously with a good password. I have never been cracked down... and I have 10 of my /etc/ttys entries setted to "secure" ttyp0 none network off secure ttyp1 none network off secure ttyp2 none network off secure ttyp3 none network off secure ttyp4 none network off secure ttyp5 none network off secure ttyp6 none network off secure ttyp7 none network off secure ttyp8 none network off secure ttyp9 none network off secure ttypa none network off secure ttypb none network off secure ttypc none network off secure in my /etc/master.passwd..... root:*:0:0::0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/csh a "kill -1 1" would allow root do dial in I block the root account in /etc/master.passwd by put a "*" as md5hash and setted up an "supper" account..... pw adduser xxxxxxxxx -d /root -s /usr/local/bin/bash -u 0 -g 0 -h 0 Than is done... All the cracking I have seen is from someone that is INSIDE the machine (http using php,pop,imap, ssh,...) that is you have yet allowed him to come in, you gave them the password (in the case of ssh), or in http... A "normal" FreeBSD 6.2 or an OpenBSD, is incredible solid... You must know the "superuser" login AND the password.... choose a password with letters and numbers, or something in portuguese (only 7 countries speak that): biruta22, pezinho12, 45pinheiiros, tovazioagora, batatinha744, 45canastra96..... I tested in an security system and it says is have good security... (pgp)... Besides.. using brute force in a word like "itacolomi" using a 1 second delay would result ,,,, "forever" Besides, BSD have the ability to force a new password once it is too old... a new password every 3 months is a good choice.... and you must stilll pass through RSA . Thanks for sharing the experience... now I know I am not the one that uses "telenet" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 14:14:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1EF16A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from strange.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386C213C480 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [10.35.4.65] (65.4-35-10-static.chueca.wifi [10.35.4.65]) by strange.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD7E2E024; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:14:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45F40EC7.9070603@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:14:31 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070309) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susanth K References: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010906080200080402040407" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:34 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010906080200080402040407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, > > When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released ? Check: http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html Appears the release process is set to start in june. What is not yet clear is if RELENG_7 has been branched off yet so we should all update our supfile? I suppose this will happen before the the release process sets off. 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X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (k1.com.br) Received: from [201.21.172.89] (authenticated as k1) by k1.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 14:22:43 -0000 From: Sergio Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:22:42 -0300 Message-Id: <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: root login with telnetd The FINAL SOLUTION X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:22:45 -0000 So..... resuming: 1) change some lines in /etc/ttys to: ttyp0 none network off secure ttyp1 none network off secure ttyp2 none network off secure ttyp3 none network off secure ttyp4 none network off secure ttyp5 none network off secure ttyp6 none network off secure ttyp7 none network off secure ttyp8 none network off secure ttyp9 none network off secure ttypa none network off secure ttypb none network off secure ttypc none network off secure > 2) signal init to read it : kill -1 1 3) make sure inetd is running see the /etc/rc.conf must have inetd_enable="YES" 4) remove the "#" at the line telnet in inetd.conf 5) make inetd run /etc/rc.d/inetd restart 6) change root password echo "mysecretpassword" | pw usermod root -h 0 7) telnet to your server should now allow root login Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 14:35:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B81D16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7F113C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:35:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup149.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.149]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l2BEYWKU025043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:34:41 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BEYNP2003599; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:34:24 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l2BEYLIH003598; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:34:21 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:34:20 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Erik Norgaard Message-ID: <20070311143420.GA3523@kobe.laptop> References: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> <45F40EC7.9070603@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45F40EC7.9070603@locolomo.org> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.065, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.33, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Susanth K , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:35:03 -0000 On 2007-03-11 15:14, Erik Norgaard wrote: >Susanth K wrote: >> Dear Friends, >> >> When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released ? > > Check: > > http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html > > Appears the release process is set to start in june. > > What is not yet clear is if RELENG_7 has been branched off yet so we > should all update our supfile? I suppose this will happen before the > the release process sets off. For what it's worth, no RELENG_7 has not been branched yet. To answer Susanth's question, the scheduler published by the release engineering team is the one which should be the authoritative answer. The HEAD of CVS is now 7.0-CURRENT. Until a release is announced by the RE team, you should assume that the officially supported releases are the ones listed on our web site. Regards, Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:21:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824DC16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-242.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C6E13C468 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BFLtK4008269 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:21:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:21:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703111021.55086.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: portupgrade bombing out for java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:21:58 -0000 portupgrade is bombing due to the file tzupdater-1.1.0-2007c.zip not being found in /usr/ports/distfiles. however, when i visit http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml, there appears to be no link or no information about such a file. does anyone know what the story is, and where this file is available from? thanks, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:25:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27E316A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ruggeri@uchicago.edu) Received: from relay03.uchicago.edu (relay03.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.77]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E50C13C43E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ruggeri@uchicago.edu) Received: from james-rfz25yf2.hsd1.il.comcast.net (boardwalk-flyer.cs.uchicago.edu [128.135.24.243]) by relay03.uchicago.edu (8.13.6.20060614/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2BFPGG4009616 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:25:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:25:16 -0500 To: free-bsd-questions From: "Edward Ruggeri" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070307205726.AKZ27933@m4500-02.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.10 (Win32) Subject: Re: Problem Launching Applications in Gnome X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:25:17 -0000 On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:04:48 -0600, Edward Ruggeri wrote: > On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:54:55 -0600, Chuck Swiger wrote: > >> On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:57 PM, ruggeri@uchicago.edu wrote: >>> The main application I run is Vim, which I run through Gnome- >>> Terminal. I frequently have several copies running >>> simultaneously. In general response to Gnome-Terminal >>> commands is very fast, but sometimes when I try to open a >>> file with Vim it takes up to 20-30 seconds to load. The >>> files are not particularly large (max 300 lines). >>> >>> During this time, if I try to launch another application in >>> Gnome (e.g., Opera or another Gnome-Terminal), it will not >>> come up. It is as if everything is frozen until finally Vi >>> loads and opens the file, at which point anything else I have >>> tried to open works fine. >> >> Is it possible that you're low on RAM, and the system has to swap in a >> bunch of stuff to let you task-switch to Opera or GT? Is it only the >> combination of GT & Vim, or do you sometimes encounter this long delay >> when switching between applications doing other things? >> >>> I have of course looked at top when this problem occurs. CPU >>> usage is about 2%, and there is no significant memory usage >>> either. >> >> It would be helpful to know what state the GT & vim processes were in, >> too. > > RAM usage remains very low throughout. In addition, I have 2GB of RAM > on this system, so while that was also my first suspicion, I don't think > that's it. > > When vim exhibits this behavior (which it doesn't always do), it will > sit in sbwait and will finally load as it comes out of sbwait. If I try > to open another GT during vim's stalling, it will also be stuck in > sbwait, generally coming out of it at the same time as vim. > > Thanks very much for your thoughts! > > -- Ned Ruggeri Sorry to post again in response to my own email, but I have some new information. In addition to the processes being stuck in sbwait, it also appears that when loading they start on the second core but switch to the first when getting out of the sbwait state. Also, this problem definitely seems to be exhibited in other applications. Sometimes I have to wait 15 seconds for Gnome-Terminal to load even with no applications running. I'm suspicious this might be related to Gnome's Screensaver, since GT opens slowly generally after coming out of screensaver. Any thoughts? It's a real drag, because freeBSD is so fast for me outside this problem, but it's making it impossible to use... Thanks guys! Sincerely, -- Ned Ruggeri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:30:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF8116A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idmc_vivr@intgdev.com) Received: from omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (omr6.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835CD13C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idmc_vivr@intgdev.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr6.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.69]) by omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2BFGWxA021004 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:16:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 15086 invoked by uid 78); 11 Mar 2007 15:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail13) (205.178.146.50) by ns-omr6.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 15:16:31 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (idmc_vivr@intgdev.com [127.0.0.1]) by webmail13 (EdgeDesk 4.04) with WEBMAIL id 6890; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:16:31 +0000 From: "V.I.Victor" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mintersoft EdgeDesk, Build 4.03.0105 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:16:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Daylight Savings Time -- /etc/localtime and what else? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:30:03 -0000 A month ago I downloaded tzdata2007b.tar.gz, compiled it and installed a = new /etc/localtime. All seemed OK. Now, after the time change, I've had to restart both 'fetchmail' and 'sen= dmail' to get '/var/log/maillog' in-sync with the new time. Not a proble= m; apparently these processes use time-data based on their original start= up. But what else needs to be restarted? 'top' (edited) for root shows: PID STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 242 select 4:37 0.00% 0.00% syslogd 386 nanslp 3:28 0.00% 0.00% cron 418 select 0:32 0.00% 0.00% inetd 18001 select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% sshd 6985 RUN 0:00 0.00% 0.00% top 6844 pause 0:00 0.00% 0.00% csh 423 ttyin 0:00 0.00% 0.00% getty (x8 Lines) 167 pause 0:00 0.00% 0.00% adjkerntz 224 select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% devd Maybe 'cron' -- daily & security email is an hour off. Should I just restart the whole system? (FreeBSD 5.4, i386) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:40:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A593B16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D370913C455 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BFefuI020402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:40:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BFef0J020399 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:40:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:40:41 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070311163851.O20344@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: jails and crashes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:40:46 -0000 is there any fix for crashing when using jails i have few jails on one machine, almost nothing running outside jails, and it crashes. as far as i found - crash is always when allocating pty - when logging with ssh telnet etc. to one of jails. any fixes? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:44:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2596416A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Received: from pukruppa.net (pukruppa.net [213.146.114.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B8C13C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Received: from pukruppa.net (pukruppa.net [213.146.114.24]) by pukruppa.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BFnJwv003531; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:49:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:49:18 +0100 (CET) From: "P.U.Kruppa" To: Jonathan Horne In-Reply-To: <200703111021.55086.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Message-ID: <20070311164606.P2869@pukruppa.net> References: <200703111021.55086.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade bombing out for java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:44:44 -0000 On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Jonathan Horne wrote: > portupgrade is bombing due to the file tzupdater-1.1.0-2007c.zip not being > found in /usr/ports/distfiles. however, when i visit > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml, there appears to be no > link or no information about such a file. Type # make install manually into your java port's directory. It will tell you where to find this file. Regards, Uli. > > does anyone know what the story is, and where this file is available from? > > thanks, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:45:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0775F16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B47813C46E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:45:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.zwart@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so1575335nfc for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aoliQpFB4jkPDyeWk7WKSCRoo/UZxf1x8RZTG+fcCenLKwhtSEDzvSsoPmliaLuKtbygQ41mwomBMhkmt3MW8duzfOkWuR1QMwIRWXQes1h7hBs9iQH7BiXicSwo3Wx+6ZUhrclxJe9fIZwh+KUvgDdp1zF90kWoch7LAWbPSxY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=j7vUAobnzPGsq02J7Fv2KarVWSckH+sPfmJwZZj+FjwJ+0+ypz08pLToNEXIrMv7ZFOOmmgal3Ywz04IwM9OXqKb6JCELuvb6W/IYaNZVxSsBBhIiTM2WsF7Dqvwie9Z4DC0CITVD3Z7MjmY3g2GjCC6fGDuoXy0n8Iktfdeqm0= Received: by 10.82.136.4 with SMTP id j4mr6548865bud.1173627947282; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.13 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 07:45:47 -0800 From: "Ed Zwart" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:45:49 -0000 I use freebsd on an older computer in my home network to run a webserver, a few web apps (bugzilla, tikiwiki), and samba. I just installed postfix via the ports collection so I can use the mail functionality of bugzilla. Bugzilla does its part correctly; I can see the message in the mailq, but all messages time out. From the postfix site, I learned about the MTU black hole issue (http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#timeouts). After spending some time messing both with my bsd machine's hostname and my home network gateway's settings (domain name and mtu size), I got nowhere. But then I read somewhere (sorry, I don't have the reference) that the handshake that goes on between my MTA and the destination machine includes a check that I'm not spoofing a domain that I don't control. Makes sense! So, I figured that I don't have an MTU problem at all, but a hostname/domain name problem. What I'm a little weak on is understanding is this... I own my_domain.com. I've paid a hoster for the last couple years, but that's ending in a week or so. Meanwhile, I've used dyndns to point foo.homedns.org to my IP. Originally, I had left the gateway's domain as the default (something based on my isp's domain), and set the bsd machine's hostname to foo.my_domain.com. But that's why mail was failing (I think) because dns was reporting that my_domain.com was not the same as my IP. Is this correct? Also, what are valid entries then for hostname then? Anything I want, as long as it's not some domain already known in the dns? Does it matter if I change my "domain" name on my LAN router? Finally, what I'd really like to do is just manage all this myself. I'm not providing any services to anyone but myself. (I don't have users, and don't need to receive mail.) My plan had been to pay dyndns to handle pointing to my_domain.com for me, but now I'm wondering if I can't just do that too. So, last question: does setting up dns on my bsd box mean I can propogate my IP for my_domain.com myself? Thanks in advance for help! e. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:56:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FC716A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:56:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680EA13C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BFuHkb021404; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:56:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BFuFpB021392; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:56:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:56:15 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Sergio Lenzi In-Reply-To: <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070311165538.U21155@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root login with telnetd The FINAL SOLUTION X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:56:17 -0000 works fine. thank you very much (point 6 wasn't needed) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 15:59:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC16C16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55DA213C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BFxBkX021748; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:59:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BFxAek021742; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:59:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:59:10 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Susanth K In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070311165900.F21155@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6faf55220703110614u5acc79a5k3b9d21f48089a782@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:59:11 -0000 > Dear Friends, > > When Will The FreeBSD 7.0 be released ? when it will be ready. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:12:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D1716A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC50413C62C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from working (c-71-60-174-60.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.60.174.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2E9EBC62; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:26 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: "Ed Zwart" Message-Id: <20070311120226.9c90dd7f.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.10 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:12:28 -0000 "Ed Zwart" wrote: > > I use freebsd on an older computer in my home network to run a > webserver, a few web apps (bugzilla, tikiwiki), and samba. I just > installed postfix via the ports collection so I can use the mail > functionality of bugzilla. > > Bugzilla does its part correctly; I can see the message in the mailq, > but all messages time out. From the postfix site, I learned about the > MTU black hole issue (http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#timeouts). > After spending some time messing both with my bsd machine's hostname > and my home network gateway's settings (domain name and mtu size), I > got nowhere. > > But then I read somewhere (sorry, I don't have the reference) that the > handshake that goes on between my MTA and the destination machine > includes a check that I'm not spoofing a domain that I don't control. > Makes sense! So, I figured that I don't have an MTU problem at all, > but a hostname/domain name problem. > > What I'm a little weak on is understanding is this... > > I own my_domain.com. I've paid a hoster for the last couple years, > but that's ending in a week or so. Meanwhile, I've used dyndns to > point foo.homedns.org to my IP. > > Originally, I had left the gateway's domain as the default (something > based on my isp's domain), and set the bsd machine's hostname to > foo.my_domain.com. But that's why mail was failing (I think) because > dns was reporting that my_domain.com was not the same as my IP. Is > this correct? > > Also, what are valid entries then for hostname then? Anything I want, > as long as it's not some domain already known in the dns? Does it > matter if I change my "domain" name on my LAN router? > > Finally, what I'd really like to do is just manage all this myself. > I'm not providing any services to anyone but myself. (I don't have > users, and don't need to receive mail.) My plan had been to pay > dyndns to handle pointing to my_domain.com for me, but now I'm > wondering if I can't just do that too. So, last question: does setting > up dns on my bsd box mean I can propogate my IP for my_domain.com > myself? First, you need to figure out what the problem is. You're making a lot of guesses right now. However, I would suspect that your best bet would be to specify that all outgoing mail routes through your ISP. Their MTA should be configured to allow all mail from their customers to be sent. In postfix, define the relayhost parameter to be your ISP's outgoing server. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:16:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E58C16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from mail.ipt.ru (mail.ipt.ru [80.253.10.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BF13C4AE for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from sp34.ipt.ru ([217.147.20.50] helo=bs1.sp34.ru) by mail.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQQiZ-000DxL-Nh; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:16:19 +0300 Received: from bsam by bs1.sp34.ru with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQQn8-0007Oj-FA; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:21:02 +0300 To: "Luiz A B de Campos" References: From: Boris Samorodov Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:21:02 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Luiz A. B. de Campos's message of "Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:44:38 +0000") Message-ID: <90511297@bs1.sp34.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing i386.rpm files on FBSD-6.1 amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:22 -0000 On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:44:38 +0000 Luiz A B de Campos wrote: > Is it possible to do this? I've already installed linux_base-8 and rpm ports It is recommended to use linux_base-fc4 nowadays. > but when I try to install a "i386.rpm" file the system claims for some libs > (libpopt, libtiff, glibc.so.6 , libxml, bash) All those apps are already at the ports tree. Which app do you need to run? If it presents at the ports tree one should use ports/packages to install. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:20:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1AE16A40A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from mail.applied-epistemics.com (mail.applied-epistemics.com [65.39.221.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AFF13C484 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from homebase (c-67-190-235-215.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [67.190.235.215]) by mail.applied-epistemics.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09021633007; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:53:23 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6660f1280703110845w52b8babapf2814da0ac6424ae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703111053.23850.josh@tcbug.org> Cc: Ed Zwart Subject: Re: getting mail to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:05 -0000 On Sunday 11 March 2007 10:45, Ed Zwart wrote: > I use freebsd on an older computer in my home network to run a > webserver, a few web apps (bugzilla, tikiwiki), and samba. I just > installed postfix via the ports collection so I can use the mail > functionality of bugzilla. > > Bugzilla does its part correctly; I can see the message in the > mailq, but all messages time out. From the postfix site, I learned > about the MTU black hole issue > (http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#timeouts). After spending some > time messing both with my bsd machine's hostname and my home > network gateway's settings (domain name and mtu size), I got > nowhere. > > But then I read somewhere (sorry, I don't have the reference) that > the handshake that goes on between my MTA and the destination > machine includes a check that I'm not spoofing a domain that I > don't control. Makes sense! So, I figured that I don't have an MTU > problem at all, but a hostname/domain name problem. > > What I'm a little weak on is understanding is this... > > I own my_domain.com. I've paid a hoster for the last couple years, > but that's ending in a week or so. Meanwhile, I've used dyndns to > point foo.homedns.org to my IP. > > Originally, I had left the gateway's domain as the default > (something based on my isp's domain), and set the bsd machine's > hostname to foo.my_domain.com. But that's why mail was failing (I > think) because dns was reporting that my_domain.com was not the > same as my IP. Is this correct? > > Also, what are valid entries then for hostname then? Anything I > want, as long as it's not some domain already known in the dns? > Does it matter if I change my "domain" name on my LAN router? > > Finally, what I'd really like to do is just manage all this myself. > I'm not providing any services to anyone but myself. (I don't have > users, and don't need to receive mail.) My plan had been to pay > dyndns to handle pointing to my_domain.com for me, but now I'm > wondering if I can't just do that too. So, last question: does > setting up dns on my bsd box mean I can propogate my IP for > my_domain.com myself? > > Thanks in advance for help! > > e. Your ISP is probably just blocking outgoing connections to port 25...set postfix to use their smtp servers as a relayhost. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:20:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A8016A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from mail.barafranca.com (mail.barafranca.com [67.19.101.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2670313C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8B8C5798 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.barafranca.com ([67.19.101.164]) by localhost (mail.barafranca.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25576-09 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (a213-22-26-111.cpe.netcabo.pt [213.22.26.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA814C578C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <45F42C33.7000402@barafranca.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:03 +0000 From: Hugo Silva User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20061007) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at barafranca.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-1 required=4 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:12 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> Err, sure; and for completeness, be sure and send the IP back to this >> list, and publish it on the front page of your website/blog/whatnot. > > and what if i will? do you know my root password? >> OK, cynicism aside, why on earth would you want to do this? That's a >> fool's errand in today's world. Or, are you on a 2-machine network >> via crossover > > if you can't answer the question, just shut up. > EOT I am.. amazed by your aggressive attitute towards everyone else and being ironic and calling everyone VIM's. What you fail to realize is the dumbness of what you're trying to do, there are no nice words I can use to explain it. We were being ironic with you so that you could understand just how bad what you're trying to achieve is. You are being ironic with us because you think there's nothing wrong with logging in as root with telnet. There are a thousand ways I could go about explaining how bad it is and why it is bad, but in the end you'd just say I'm a VIM, so I won't even bother. Oh well, your server, your password. Just don't say you were not warned. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:31:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304A316A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from mail.barafranca.com (mail.barafranca.com [67.19.101.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9D813C4B7 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF54C4956; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.barafranca.com ([67.19.101.164]) by localhost (mail.barafranca.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29697-07; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (a213-22-26-111.cpe.netcabo.pt [213.22.26.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46621C4A54; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <45F42EEF.9070002@barafranca.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:31:43 +0000 From: Hugo Silva User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20061007) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at barafranca.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-1 required=4 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Sergio Lenzi Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:31:54 -0000 Sergio Lenzi wrote: > Hello... > > I see you issues about telenet... > > I use the inetd+telnet for more than 20 years and using BSD > with RSA, and obviiously with a good password. > > I have never been cracked down... > and I have 10 of my /etc/ttys entries setted to "secure" > > ttyp0 none network off secure > ttyp1 none network off secure > ttyp2 none network off secure > ttyp3 none network off secure > ttyp4 none network off secure > ttyp5 none network off secure > ttyp6 none network off secure > ttyp7 none network off secure > ttyp8 none network off secure > ttyp9 none network off secure > ttypa none network off secure > ttypb none network off secure > ttypc none network off secure > > in my /etc/master.passwd..... > root:*:0:0::0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/csh > > > a "kill -1 1" would allow root do dial in > > I block the root account in /etc/master.passwd by put a "*" as md5hash > and setted up an "supper" account..... > You could have just changed it's name, and the end result is exactly the same. If you have other services running in this server, there are various ways to figure out who has uid 0. Changing root's account or adding another uid 0 won't make it any harder. > pw adduser xxxxxxxxx -d /root -s /usr/local/bin/bash -u 0 -g 0 -h 0 > > Than is done... > > All the cracking I have seen is from someone that is INSIDE the machine > (http using php,pop,imap, ssh,...) that is you have yet allowed him to > come in, > you gave them the password (in the case of ssh), or in http... > > A "normal" FreeBSD 6.2 or an OpenBSD, is incredible solid... Indeed, that's exactly why it comes with sshd instead of telnetd and they both DO NOT allow root logins by default. > You must know the "superuser" login AND the password.... > With sshd and root logins off, you need to know your username's password/passphrase for DSA/RSA, you need to be in the right group so you can even attempt to become root, and you need the root password too. Ontop of all that, everything's encrypted. Please do not even TRY to compare. > choose a password with letters and numbers, or something in > portuguese (only 7 countries speak that): biruta22, pezinho12, > 45pinheiiros, > tovazioagora, batatinha744, 45canastra96..... > Spoken in: Angola, Brazil, Mozambique, Portugal, and several other CPLP countries Total speakers: Native: 210 million Total: 230 million Brilliant. > I tested in an security system and it says is have good security... > (pgp)... > I won't comment this. > Besides.. using brute force in a word like "itacolomi" using a 1 second > delay > would result ,,,, "forever" > Besides, BSD have the ability to force a new password once it is too > old... > a new password every 3 months is a good choice.... and you must stilll > pass through RSA . > > > Thanks for sharing the experience... now I know I am not the one that > uses "telenet" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 16:51:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08AE16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B335F13C44B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from susanthoffline@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1897744wri for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:51:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=W4ACbzEyfC85nszKDXJFz0n9y4brg+Zo/c7FEykO1E7Lx1ySjAupTE+QaQuykNLNE5SJR5gi2DtxkZ59QOVn1QVWW6U16aDVtHVNSDUTw9qHOvc8A6cTzAyoXbD9pmG9DdLQn9pTzOYp35g7XTRQyMIHzVTDMhRksL2AbkhmV/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QmKZXHGpgXe2X6qGzdvptzK+ql6KmF9jHtaKnO/F0izq0rdG4QGxuFnMIp6k6rhmbkdP4dJwcMg0AuZEBGnrdc7v8SvBNkLDszgymg7E/KJ3QwSgSXR8vepaw3QAcgkVx4E9669Tyxmme1xcl8UKfiwYd1lwjCnwUHRy7RhvzdA= Received: by 10.90.65.11 with SMTP id n11mr2629789aga.1173631867156; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.97.17 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:21:07 +0530 From: "Susanth K" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: The FreeBSD's Implementation Language X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:51:07 -0000 Dear Friends, Is FreeBSD Completely Written in C ? Is there any part of OS written in C++ ? And I Guess GCC Compiler is used for compilation; ( Is it so ? ) Please correct me; if am not. Am new to FreeBSD; ( Sorry; if Any of u find this as a silly Question ) SUSANTH K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 17:12:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4405116A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:12:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from mail.stovebolt.com (mail.stovebolt.com [66.221.101.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B6413C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:12:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (adsl-65-69-141-175.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [65.69.141.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.stovebolt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD992114313 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:14:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:12:11 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200703101338.22384.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20070311081332.G66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <14989d6e0703110143i53b3d0bfh65d0e4092993e82e@mail.gmail.com> <20070311110809.O84473@chylonia.3miasto.net> <1173622192.1208.21.camel@localhost> <1173622962.1208.29.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.7b1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========D47CEE76846768256DC8==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: root login with telnetd The FINAL SOLUTION X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:12:15 -0000 --==========D47CEE76846768256DC8========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On March 11, 2007 11:22:42 AM -0300 Sergio Lenzi =20 wrote: > > 7) telnet to your server > should now allow root login > What do you gain by allowing telnet access to your hosts that you don't=20 get with ssh? Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========D47CEE76846768256DC8==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 17:18:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C54416A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@cshw.net) Received: from gothmog.akp-net.com (gothmog.akp-net.com [194.126.172.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE55B13C44B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@cshw.net) Received: from p579a89dd.dip.t-dialin.net ([87.154.137.221] helo=ANGBAND) by gothmog.akp-net.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQRI8-00016P-G3 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:53:06 +0100 From: "Alexander Schlichting" To: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:52:25 +0100 Message-ID: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acdj/aUGrc7Od5RsQWGDp/QmhA/4hg== Content-Language: de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: OpenSSH Problem with disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:18:51 -0000 Hi, I am having a big problem with the OpenSSH Daemon on my server. Whenever I am connected to the server and the connection is idle for a few seconds it gets disconnected. It's almost impossible to work from remote on the server when the connection is always getting dropped. The server is running FreeBSD angmar.domain.com 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 and the SSHD installed by sysinstall OpenSSH_4.5p1 FreeBSD-20061110, OpenSSL 0.9.7e-p1 25 Oct 2004 . I tried a complete FreeBSD reinstall but it did not help, I tried various settings like KeepAlive TCPKeepAlive but they did not help either. I upgraded OpenSSL to 0.9.8e and I installed OpenSSH 4.6p1 but it did not solve the problem. When I run SSH with loglevel debug I see this in the auth.log when I am getting disconnected: Read error from remote host 192.168.2.100: Connection reset by peer . When I use strace to monitor the process I see this on disconnect 643 wait4(-1, [WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 0], WNOHANG, NULL) = 4975 643 wait4(-1, 0xbfbfdc9c, WNOHANG, NULL) = -1 ECHILD (No child processes) 643 syscall_416(0x14, 0, 0xbfbfdc20) = 0 643 syscall_417(0xbfbfdcd0) = -1 (errno 4) 643 select(7, [3 4], NULL, NULL, NULL I tried to find information's about syscall_417 but had no luck with that. I am stuck here and have no idea what to do. When I am connected to the server by FTP I don't get disconnected when the connection is idle ( no nohup or so being sent ) and when I connect by Telnet I also don't get disconnected when the connection is idle. I am not sure if I should add the dmesg output here for sys specs or not. I don't do it now but can give it if needed. I installed Debian on another HDD of the server today and I am not having any problems there. No SSH disconnects all the time. Thanks for any help. -Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 17:53:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4411D16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pbowen@fastmail.fm) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9F113C457 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pbowen@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA8A1F7E6E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:53:10 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: cqAk+dv3rpENeQo40NtOAC9AK3KdrR5QhdNdK7h0EpPi 1173635590 Received: from [10.51.77.87] (unknown [204.110.228.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246AD905 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45F433D1.40802@fastmail.fm> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:52:33 -0500 From: Patrick Bowen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Assemblers for FreBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:53:12 -0000 If one wanted to learn Assembly Language Programming, would he be better served starting with as(1) or nasm(1)? Also, are either of those applicable to AMD64, or just i386? TIA, Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:01:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832FB16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-242.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0A013C448 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BI1t4W013092 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:01:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:01:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:01:57 -0000 ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? thanks, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:09:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA1D16A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [83.12.228.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544CD13C458 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2BI9q8Q036521; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:09:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2BI9q1h036518; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:09:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:09:52 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Susanth K In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070311190925.L36389@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD's Implementation Language X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:09:52 -0000 > Dear Friends, > > Is FreeBSD Completely Written in C ? > > Is there any part of OS written in C++ ? see the sources. > > And I Guess GCC Compiler is used for compilation; ( Is it so ? ) > > Please correct me; if am not. > > Am new to FreeBSD; ( Sorry; if Any of u find this as a silly Question ) > you need answers to some kind of quiz or test... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:14:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584D716A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pbowen@fastmail.fm) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5606D13C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pbowen@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DC71F7465 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:37 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 6OR5RQz2M5CX/Lz3NGKGug0f6v6H4RtiEdeF1ecol967 1173636877 Received: from [10.51.77.87] (unknown [204.110.228.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAFB2A466 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:14:04 -0500 From: Patrick Bowen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:38 -0000 Jonathan Horne wrote: > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. > > id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try > some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. > > can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? > > thanks, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Jonathan; Take a look at WindowMaker, or BlackBox if you want to get real minimal. Both are excellent window managers (not desktops) and can be found in ports. Firefox, Thunderbird, and all the rest work just fine. Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:14:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19DF16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB30913C465 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from working (c-71-60-174-60.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.60.174.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D61EBC62; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:56 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Jonathan Horne Message-Id: <20070311141456.55c02ded.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.10 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:14:58 -0000 Jonathan Horne wrote: > > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. > > id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try > some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. > > can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? I've been using xfce4 for quite a while. I like it because it's got everything I need, and not a lot of extra junk to get in my way (I find KDE and GNOME bloated) I use Sylpheed for mail and Firefox for web. HTH -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:28:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E15216A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sean@cyberwang.net) Received: from spunkymail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-177.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C0C13C4B9 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sean@cyberwang.net) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (68-184-120-224.dhcp.smyr.ga.charter.com [68.184.120.224]) by spunkymail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D66F5B52D; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45F44A5E.9050904@cyberwang.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:28:46 -0400 From: Sean Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Horne References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:54 -0000 Jonathan Horne wrote: > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. > > id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try > some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. > > can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? > > thanks, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Check out http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/ It's in ports and its probably what you're looking for, fast, function and a fair bit of eyecandy. I honestly opt for Opera because its fast, functional and it has all the functionality I want built right in. As for mail, it seems Opera dropped the ball on IMAP support. It's utterly horrid in Opera 9. Because of this I go for thunderbird because it just works the way I want. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:33:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F9216A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426B613C46E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HQSr1-0007MC-D8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:33:11 +0100 Received: from 89-172-241-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([89.172.241.50]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:33:11 +0100 Received: from ivoras by 89-172-241-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:33:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:33:02 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA6865D61E80A33FDFF482D2C" X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 89-172-241-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) In-Reply-To: <6faf55220703110951g63c92218p1b3865be3999047e@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 Sender: news Subject: Re: The FreeBSD's Implementation Language X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:33:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA6865D61E80A33FDFF482D2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Susanth K wrote: > Dear Friends, >=20 > Is FreeBSD Completely Written in C ? Almost. The kernel and most parts are. > Is there any part of OS written in C++ ? There are some but there are not many of them. It's not a matter of policy but of the individual choice of a developer. > And I Guess GCC Compiler is used for compilation; ( Is it so ? ) Yes. --------------enigA6865D61E80A33FDFF482D2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF9EteldnAQVacBcgRAjatAJ9+S31biPw8OftUjqGMd6pZth7AfACg30U2 EzJrnlY6NPECSoMCtBE7L3s= =shVf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA6865D61E80A33FDFF482D2C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 18:41:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4457116A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DBC13C459 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQSzO-000ASo-No; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:41:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:41:48 -0600 To: Justin Mason X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:41:51 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > > for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this > as an anti-spam technique. > > Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my > opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers > looking to > evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to find > real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! This is a red-herring. They already do that. They have been doing that for a long time. And it has nothing to do with sender verification. Sender verification works and works well. > > Hence, the spam recipients now get twice as much mail from each > spam run > -- spam aimed at them, *and* bounce blowback from hundreds of spams > aimed > at others, forged to appear to be from them. It's the obvious > response to > SAV, which is one reason why we never implemented something like > that in > SpamAssassin. Sorry, but you conclusion does not follow. Sender verification has been around for a while and this has not happened in my experience. Ie, there is no greater use of real FROM addresses than there was before. Most MTAs have in-built routines to do this, with exim having a particularly good facility for this. Technically, with exim's, you are actually validating the sending server's adherence to the RFCs about accept DSN replies back. Chad > > --j. > > Kelly Jones writes: >> To fight spam, I want to validate the address (not necessarily in >> real-time) of the a given email sender. Is there a Unix tool that >> does >> this? >> >> The basics are simple: to validate "kmnyqi@wnonline.net", I >> connect to >> the MX record of wnonline.net and go as far as "RCPT TO" as follows: >> >>> host -t mx wnonline.net >> wnonline.net mail is handled by 5 wnspf.bayou.com. >> >>> telnet wnspf.bayou.com. 25 >> Trying 209.209.192.75... >> Connected to wnspf.bayou.com.. >> Escape character is '^]'. >> 220 Welcome to Bayou mxfilter >> HELO domaintester.com >> 250 mxfilter.bayou.com >> MAIL FROM: >> 250 Ok >> RCPT TO: >> 550 : Recipient address rejected: 5.1.1 >> ... User unknown >> QUIT >> 221 Bye >> Connection closed by foreign host. >> >> This tells me kmnyqi@wnonline.net is an invalid address and that mail >> from that address is probably bogus. >> >> A more sophisticated tool would cache results, handle temporary >> failures (eg, inability to connect to the MX server), handle multiple >> MX records, perhaps even publish results [carefully, to avoid giving >> spammers a source of legit email addresses!], etc. Plus, I'd >> prefer to >> use a tested tool vs hacking something up myself. >> >> I realize this technique is far from perfect: >> >> Spammers spoof legit addresses >> >> Bounces/Mailing lists/etc legitimately use "do not reply" addresses >> >> It could be considered unfriendly to the target MX servers >> >> Some mail servers incorrectly say "user unknown" when they see spam, >> figuring it's more of a deterrent than saying "you're a spammer" >> >> Some mail servers inefficiently accept mail for "foo@xxx.com" (where >> xxx.com is one of their domains), figure out if foo exists later, and >> send a bounce back to the envelope sender, instead of rejecting email >> at the SMTP level (a really good tool would create throwaway >> addresses >> to catch these cases too) >> >> ... but I still think it might help. >> >> -- >> We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying >> to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to >> new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:24:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EC916A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulette_mcgee@yahoo.com) Received: from web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.75.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6CC013C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulette_mcgee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92229 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2007 19:02:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=oN3USxxc8olwNEzbQ0QfRdmXU7gLUks5XvQGNRYY9rwIANICG7W5+0D/2xvNOsI4Mv7yGk7ZG5Ti6fwNJ2OASyK7nWhmLpCKYci2IS+NQwKM1An8j0Tl+2PyfG+Enyt8p5q0AOli60wISzAeuqmEHm6d0MYD29G7BI1IyPtluR0=; X-YMail-OSG: TmKMOIgVM1md2TV9lKSIeN3EfRlaMktXfDPfZtUIxUPpIuXQfnM1kCqe.Ycw5xdu1wUaFGLKaWhatfoMKp3TyLIHX.Jz4cakywyZMM2ZMWIxvRJ0.HZKjA-- Received: from [68.164.15.239] by web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:11 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Paulette McGee To: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <58343.88959.qm@web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cc: Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:24:50 -0000 --- Jonathan Horne wrote: > ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. > this week, im off from > work, and want to spend some time trying something > new with my laptop. so > far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up > to the minimal desktop. > > id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or > basically id like to try > some of the lesser known, but still just as > functional desktops. > > can i get some recommendations, as well as what > graphical mail reader and web > browser works best with your recommendation? > > thanks, > jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Jonathan, Here are a few questions: 1) Are you looking for a Desktop Environment (DE)? 2) Are you looking for a Window Manager (WM)? Here is a little blurb that describes the differences: http://xwinman.org/intro.php The above site also has a very comprehensive list of both DE's and WM's. Basically; decide if you want a very integrated environment or something less integrated . Personally; I prefer WM's over DE's. From that point; I select the applications that I want on my system. WM are basically very streamlined with few utilities (if any). Contrast that with Gnome or KDE; which come with an array of support tools (IE: browsers, file managers, printer configuration tools, system utilities, et al). In essence; it is a matter of choice. My vote is for Fluxbox (WM). PS: Keep in mind that some lines blur with DE and WMs. In my humble opinion some WM have a DE feel to them. explore the above link and see what strikes a chord. Regards, Paulette McGee ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:36:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F49B16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7FC13C4BE for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B411A4D83; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7DD7C51415; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:36:09 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Message-ID: <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Justin Mason , User Questions Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:36:10 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:41:48PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > > > > >for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this > >as an anti-spam technique. > > > >Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, in my > >opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers > >looking to > >evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to find > >real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! > > This is a red-herring. They already do that. They have been doing > that for a long time. And it has nothing to do with sender > verification. > > Sender verification works and works well. I hate sender verification because it forces me (the sender) to jump through hoops just for the privilege of sending email to you. I send a lot of "courtesy" emails to e.g. port maintainers who have problems with their ports, and when I encounter someone with such a system I usually don't bother following up (their port just gets marked broken in the usual way, and they can follow up on it on their own if they want to). Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:43:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3201516A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249AC13C44B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQTwy-000D7t-Ee; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:43:24 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:43:22 -0600 To: Kris Kennaway X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Justin Mason , User Questions Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:43:25 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:41:48PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net > LLC wrote: >> >> On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: >> >>> >>> for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this >>> as an anti-spam technique. >>> >>> Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, >>> in my >>> opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers >>> looking to >>> evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to >>> find >>> real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! >> >> This is a red-herring. They already do that. They have been doing >> that for a long time. And it has nothing to do with sender >> verification. >> >> Sender verification works and works well. > > I hate sender verification because it forces me (the sender) to jump > through hoops just for the privilege of sending email to you. No, it forces you to set up a correct RFC abiding system > I send > a lot of "courtesy" emails to e.g. port maintainers who have problems > with their ports, and when I encounter someone with such a system I > usually don't bother following up (their port just gets marked broken > in the usual way, and they can follow up on it on their own if they > want to). If your system is following the RFCs then you should have no problems. YOU should fix your broken system. Sending emails without a valid from address is disconsiderate. Why should I accept a mail from an account that violates the RFCs about accepting DSN back? Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:46:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CADC16A404 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B15E13C448 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:46:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773BF1A4D9A; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9A2EF51375; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:46:50 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Message-ID: <20070311194650.GA92854@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Justin Mason , User Questions , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:46:52 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 01:43:22PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > >On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:41:48PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net > >LLC wrote: > >> > >>On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this > >>>as an anti-spam technique. > >>> > >>>Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, > >>>in my > >>>opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers > >>>looking to > >>>evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to > >>>find > >>>real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! > >> > >>This is a red-herring. They already do that. They have been doing > >>that for a long time. And it has nothing to do with sender > >>verification. > >> > >>Sender verification works and works well. > > > >I hate sender verification because it forces me (the sender) to jump > >through hoops just for the privilege of sending email to you. > > No, it forces you to set up a correct RFC abiding system > > >I send > >a lot of "courtesy" emails to e.g. port maintainers who have problems > >with their ports, and when I encounter someone with such a system I > >usually don't bother following up (their port just gets marked broken > >in the usual way, and they can follow up on it on their own if they > >want to). > > If your system is following the RFCs then you should have no > problems. YOU should fix your broken system. Sending emails without > a valid from address is disconsiderate. Why should I accept a mail > from an account that violates the RFCs about accepting DSN back? Perhaps we are talking about different things, I am talking about systems which send me an email back requiring me to do steps a, b or c in order to complete delivery of the email. kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:48:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ADC16A405; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4769C13C457; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E6568600E47; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kW1p2EThNzRh; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id C534C68600419; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20070311194849.GB881@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.org References: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 OpenPKG/2.5 Cc: Subject: Re: OpenSSH Problem with disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007, Alexander Schlichting wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I am having a big problem with the OpenSSH Daemon on my server. Whenever I >am connected to the server and the connection is idle for a few seconds it >gets disconnected. It's almost impossible to work from remote on the server. It's been my experience that this has been related to NAT (Network Address Translation), IP masquerading or possibly other firewall settings, and may well not be FreeBSD specific. One of my customers had a problem like this in the last week or so and tracked it down to settings on their LinkSys BEFVP41 VPN router which had some firewall setting that caused ssh connections to drop (it wasn't NAT on this as I've not had this problem with other BEFVP41s). We ran all internal traffic through a Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 system, with a 2.4 Linux kernel with ipchains IP masquerading, and it would drop ssh connections after several minuted of inactivity (I would often run top on the remote system just to keep the connection alive when I wasn't doing something that would create activity). When we switched our border machine to a SLES9 machine with a 2.6 Linux kernel and iptables NAT the problem went away. There are also ssh_config and sshd_config parameters that relate to tcp timeouts and keep alive actions. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software, LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 ``I presume you all know who I am. I am humble Abraham Lincoln. I have been solicited by many friends to become a candidate for the legistlature. My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a national bank ... in favor of the internal improvements system, and a high protective tariff.'' -- Abraham Lincoln, 1832 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:48:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ADC16A405; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4769C13C457; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E6568600E47; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kW1p2EThNzRh; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id C534C68600419; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:48:49 -0700 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20070311194849.GB881@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.org References: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <035c01c763fd$b7341cf0$259c56d0$@net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 OpenPKG/2.5 Cc: Subject: Re: OpenSSH Problem with disconnects X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:48:00 -0000 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007, Alexander Schlichting wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I am having a big problem with the OpenSSH Daemon on my server. Whenever I >am connected to the server and the connection is idle for a few seconds it >gets disconnected. It's almost impossible to work from remote on the server. It's been my experience that this has been related to NAT (Network Address Translation), IP masquerading or possibly other firewall settings, and may well not be FreeBSD specific. One of my customers had a problem like this in the last week or so and tracked it down to settings on their LinkSys BEFVP41 VPN router which had some firewall setting that caused ssh connections to drop (it wasn't NAT on this as I've not had this problem with other BEFVP41s). We ran all internal traffic through a Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 system, with a 2.4 Linux kernel with ipchains IP masquerading, and it would drop ssh connections after several minuted of inactivity (I would often run top on the remote system just to keep the connection alive when I wasn't doing something that would create activity). When we switched our border machine to a SLES9 machine with a 2.6 Linux kernel and iptables NAT the problem went away. There are also ssh_config and sshd_config parameters that relate to tcp timeouts and keep alive actions. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software, LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 ``I presume you all know who I am. I am humble Abraham Lincoln. I have been solicited by many friends to become a candidate for the legistlature. My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a national bank ... in favor of the internal improvements system, and a high protective tariff.'' -- Abraham Lincoln, 1832 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:52:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2537A16A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B3113C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:52:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1877695ugh for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:52:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iew2GgX/3mCpFKeObKlJCm2TL+oB+NDdUVga8DU/V71+fmaRL6ojYIfYtOVTtG/PFohVTwawT+eLOmQgjv07vsauEvOiUlP277ZOp6IwyKqnGDEhHS6FKzUA+D8VvzYV8dJ7TJypdf5mXsIV/B+otdf5+snfVOVnjkOkGqqvJXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hRodg6kdKeA6EQUSEdmouxkneepB58t4J8z9De6f3nQPmnEyJXsW6q8EEo8qd9HAbtOWrsWlWppx6/mM82uKI0bHv862IEXqhlaxQnJqgZKTuOxLw3057twJ1+5xIq7bjg47FHbnu4qMDuYsGTUbg9cTBhNiqYkLdNq3Em7qcZ4= Received: by 10.70.122.11 with SMTP id u11mr8676726wxc.1173642758470; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.15 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14989d6e0703111252o4ad438ddw5bde5916e0e6b396@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:52:38 +0000 From: "Christian Walther" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20070311132239.W98425@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <20070311081618.F66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3DF87.1090503@thingy.com> <20070311120541.Y90539@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F3E7E6.6060908@thingy.com> <20070311132239.W98425@chylonia.3miasto.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] [freebsd-questions] root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:52:41 -0000 On 11/03/07, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > There have been *many* problems over the years with rsh and telnet. rsh's > > security model comes from a time when people thought computers would never > > exactly true. so i use rsh between MY machines and rsh and telnet when > sniffing is not a problem. > > wasn't easier just to answer the question? Well, no offense ment, but there are many people posting questions to this list, and some of them aren't aware of potential security problems of actions they want to perform. So generally if a question with a potential harmfull consequence is asked people are told of these fact, because noone here on this list can guess if it is known, or not. Wouldn't it have been easier for you to tell people on this list that you are aware of the problems? I mean, instead of getting rude? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:56:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C535516A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9BA13C45A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id D6037471836 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:56:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.MEIWay.com [127.0.0.1]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BD0313867C3 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:56:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) X-AV-Checked: Sun Mar 11 20:56:30 2007 virusgate.meiway.com Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF0C38678A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:56:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from TX2.Go2France.com [66.90.247.9] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id AAE41A5200C4; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:39:16 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:56:19 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad In-Reply-To: <20070311194650.GA92854@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> <20070311194650.GA92854@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070311203962.SM03288@TX2.Go2France.com> Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:56:23 -0000 >Perhaps we are talking about different things, I am talking about >systems which send me an email back requiring me to do steps a, b or c >in order to complete delivery of the email. that's challenge/response, which has been widely discredited for years. SAV is a receiving MX probing the MX of sender@domain.tld for verification of sender as known recipient. Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 19:58:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A1916A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17ADF13C44C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQUBp-000Dlk-L9; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:58:45 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20070311194443.26033.qmail@simone.iecc.com> References: <20070311194443.26033.qmail@simone.iecc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:58:44 -0600 To: John Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:58:46 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:44 PM, John Levine wrote: >> Sender verification works and works well. > > I suppose that if you define "works" to include mailbombing innocent > third parties, then that might be true. > > I have some fairly heavily forged domains, and on a bad day I see > upwards of 300,000 connections from bounces, "validation", and the > like attacking the little BSD box under my desk where the MTA is. > Gee, thanks a lot. Verification has nothing to do with bounces and mail bombs. You may get some traffic from verification but you would need to separate that out from the rest which is unrelated before you have a meaningful statistic. > >> Sorry, but you conclusion does not follow. Sender verification has >> been around for a while and this has not happened in my experience. >> Ie, there is no greater use of real FROM addresses than there was >> before. > > What planet have you been on? A few years back spam return addresses > were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're > picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. They have been doing that for ages. I run a hosting service and have had that problem way before sender verification became in vogue. > > I've had to locally blacklist a few places specifically because of > all of their abusive verification. If that's what you want, well ... That is up to you. If you claim to handle mail services for a certain domain, that includes verifying that mail is from you or not. YOU are responsible for the mail sent with your domain on it. > > Oh, and the way my MTA is set up, a verification callback doesn't > work. But that doesn't keep the clueless from trying. That is your business. But you are in violation of the RFCs Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:00:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4703916A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323CC13C468 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQUDC-000Dx6-Fc; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:00:10 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20070311194650.GA92854@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20070311123142.A326032CD9@radish.jmason.org> <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> <20070311193608.GA92584@xor.obsecurity.org> <20070311194650.GA92854@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <63F5EA49-DF46-4795-AB00-D81C2E26762E@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:00:04 -0600 To: Kris Kennaway X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:00:13 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 01:43:22PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net > LLC wrote: >> >> On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:41:48PM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net >>> LLC wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Justin Mason wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> for what it's worth, I would suggest *not* adopting this >>>>> as an anti-spam technique. >>>>> >>>>> Sender-address verification is _bad_ as an anti-spam technique, >>>>> in my >>>>> opinion. Basically, there's one obvious response for spammers >>>>> looking to >>>>> evade it -- use "real" sender addresses. Where's an easy place to >>>>> find >>>>> real addresses? On the list of target addresses they're spamming! >>>> >>>> This is a red-herring. They already do that. They have been doing >>>> that for a long time. And it has nothing to do with sender >>>> verification. >>>> >>>> Sender verification works and works well. >>> >>> I hate sender verification because it forces me (the sender) to jump >>> through hoops just for the privilege of sending email to you. >> >> No, it forces you to set up a correct RFC abiding system >> >>> I send >>> a lot of "courtesy" emails to e.g. port maintainers who have >>> problems >>> with their ports, and when I encounter someone with such a system I >>> usually don't bother following up (their port just gets marked >>> broken >>> in the usual way, and they can follow up on it on their own if they >>> want to). >> >> If your system is following the RFCs then you should have no >> problems. YOU should fix your broken system. Sending emails without >> a valid from address is disconsiderate. Why should I accept a mail >> from an account that violates the RFCs about accepting DSN back? > > Perhaps we are talking about different things, I am talking about > systems which send me an email back requiring me to do steps a, b or c > in order to complete delivery of the email. No, we are talking about the MTA verifying that the sender address is a real address that can accept either mail back or at least a properly formatted DSN back. The things you talk about ARE a PITA and I usually ignore them unless the person is wanting to give me money... (Ie a customer who placed an order with another business I run for example). Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:08:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A456B16A403 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=johnl=0583ff2bdd@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [208.31.42.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0356613C458 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=johnl=0583ff2bdd@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 49672 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2007 20:08:29 -0000 Received: from simone.iecc.com (208.31.42.47) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2007 20:08:29 -0000 Date: 11 Mar 2007 20:08:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20070311200829.31802.qmail@simone.iecc.com> From: John Levine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Organization: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: chad@shire.net Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:08:36 -0000 >> I have some fairly heavily forged domains, and on a bad day I see >> upwards of 300,000 connections from bounces, "validation", and the >> like attacking the little BSD box under my desk where the MTA is. >> Gee, thanks a lot. > >Verification has nothing to do with bounces and mail bombs. You may >get some traffic from verification but you would need to separate >that out from the rest which is unrelated before you have a >meaningful statistic. I have, it's meaningful. Verizon is the worst offender, but at least they put their attack hosts in a separate easy to block IP range. >> What planet have you been on? A few years back spam return addresses >> were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're >> picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. > >They have been doing that for ages. I run a hosting service and have >had that problem way before sender verification became in vogue. Definitely different planets. Bye. R's, John PS: >> YOU are responsible for the mail sent with your domain on it. Oh, OK. So when someone sends out mail with your forged return address saying "buy this worthless stock, then get your kiddy porn here", you will report directly to jail without complaining, right? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:10:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77B716A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A149313C46A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so1927459wri for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.52.18 with SMTP id z18mr2933116agz.1173643817896; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34sm6937078wra.2007.03.11.13.10.17; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:10:05 -0400 From: Gerard Seibert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070311161005.58928e7f@localhost> In-Reply-To: <45F42C33.7000402@barafranca.com> References: <20070310224946.K10353@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F32BA7.1000704@daleco.biz> <20070311081232.I66000@chylonia.3miasto.net> <45F42C33.7000402@barafranca.com> Organization: Seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.0 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_2_UtmETdIWrfwNBFRp+KPo8; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: root login with telnetd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:18 -0000 --Sig_2_UtmETdIWrfwNBFRp+KPo8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:20:03 +0000 Hugo Silva wrote: [...] > Oh well, your server, your password. Just don't say you were not > warned. I believe the following sums up my feeling on the matter. It is not the OS's job to stop you from shooting yourself in the foot. Rather, if you so choose to do so, then it is the OS's job to deliver Mr. Bullet to Mr. Foot in the most efficient manner possible. --=20 Gerard "The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location ... and I'm not even too sure about that one" Dennis Huges, F.B.I. --Sig_2_UtmETdIWrfwNBFRp+KPo8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF9GInFCqdq4D1ybYRAskzAKDahyaxAnE3d5F3PgX0zo4VHdvPIgCgnjcx nhDkZVW/7C6pbXitdLGMB5Y= =3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_2_UtmETdIWrfwNBFRp+KPo8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:11:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EEA16A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:11:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=johnl=0583ff2bdd@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [208.31.42.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A376013C489 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=johnl=0583ff2bdd@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 19065 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2007 19:44:43 -0000 Received: from simone.iecc.com (208.31.42.47) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2007 19:44:43 -0000 Date: 11 Mar 2007 19:44:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20070311194443.26033.qmail@simone.iecc.com> From: John Levine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2B018128-F951-41DF-8EFD-123119E9987C@shire.net> Organization: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: chad@shire.net Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:11:26 -0000 >Sender verification works and works well. I suppose that if you define "works" to include mailbombing innocent third parties, then that might be true. I have some fairly heavily forged domains, and on a bad day I see upwards of 300,000 connections from bounces, "validation", and the like attacking the little BSD box under my desk where the MTA is. Gee, thanks a lot. >Sorry, but you conclusion does not follow. Sender verification has >been around for a while and this has not happened in my experience. >Ie, there is no greater use of real FROM addresses than there was >before. What planet have you been on? A few years back spam return addresses were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. I've had to locally blacklist a few places specifically because of all of their abusive verification. If that's what you want, well ... Oh, and the way my MTA is set up, a verification callback doesn't work. But that doesn't keep the clueless from trying. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:12:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F111116A400 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@kendallnet.co.uk) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E7413C4AD for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@kendallnet.co.uk) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3213.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8DBADB00008A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:12:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from andypc2 (user-54471877.wfd83a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.71.24.119]) by mwinf3213.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3DA3EB000084 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:12:54 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070311201254252.3DA3EB000084@mwinf3213.me.freeserve.com From: "Andy Kendall" To: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:54 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdkGadZfi80EWr5QBOJhlg058YMPA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:56 -0000 As a newb to FreeBSD I find that the manual/handbook is not great in detail, (understatement), and I seem to be relying on this questions list for a lot of help. In my opinion it relies on far too high a plateau of knowledge by it's readers to be of initial use. Am I really that thick or does anyone else feel this way? Do the email list respondents find themselves answering the same questions over and over? Is there some way I can help to upgrade the manual entries with the detail I find necessary to get things working and understand how they work, thereby hopefully benefiting following newbs? Is there a FreeBSD for dummies? Thanks Andy (very frustrated) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:29:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1168616A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:29:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FFD13C448 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.51) id 1HQUfj-000F5R-9r; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:29:39 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20070311200829.31802.qmail@simone.iecc.com> References: <20070311200829.31802.qmail@simone.iecc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0AC225E6-E55D-4C20-9A00-2EDD95985848@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:29:38 -0600 To: John Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:29:40 -0000 On Mar 11, 2007, at 2:08 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> I have some fairly heavily forged domains, and on a bad day I see >>> upwards of 300,000 connections from bounces, "validation", and the >>> like attacking the little BSD box under my desk where the MTA is. >>> Gee, thanks a lot. >> >> Verification has nothing to do with bounces and mail bombs. You may >> get some traffic from verification but you would need to separate >> that out from the rest which is unrelated before you have a >> meaningful statistic. > > I have, it's meaningful. Verizon is the worst offender, but at least > they put their attack hosts in a separate easy to block IP range. Amazing, as I run mail for lots of domains, and replying to sender verification is almost a nonexistent load compared to the mail bombs and bounces etc. Show me your numbers. > >>> What planet have you been on? A few years back spam return >>> addresses >>> were typically complete fakes in nonexistent domains. Now they're >>> picked out of the same victim lists as the targets. >> >> They have been doing that for ages. I run a hosting service and have >> had that problem way before sender verification became in vogue. > > Definitely different planets. Bye. When you come back to earth, let us know :-) > > R's, > John > > PS: > >>> YOU are responsible for the mail sent with your domain on it. > > Oh, OK. So when someone sends out mail with your forged return > address saying "buy this worthless stock, then get your kiddy porn > here", you will report directly to jail without complaining, right? I phrased it wrong. You are not responsible for the content, but you are responsible for the mail domain and that includes verifying that mail is validly from your domain you are responsible for. email is a cooperative service where all people promise to expend resources to make it work, and to follow the RFCs. If you block valid verification, you are abrogating your responsibility to the rest of the net to cooperate in the exchange of email and you are breaking the RFCs. (valid verification includes checking that the sender can accept a proper DSN back, which is required of the sender to do). Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:36:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C31816A401 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djdexter@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2819513C458 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djdexter@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g7so1781147muf for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:36:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kRlG5WTdUFRK8ggPU3r78DDz2VNjUiJK52eFbsP6e55nCb7i15Sg5PJyLXJMhEx/2SdhsrYUdYFqjSVFKpvcoXnHdNvJMIxkDM99Ec7UTRecZpmSJ6H6BiDsiRYMHiiMEUWCnIAUCeJCec8DQoUIHQTzqCNFCwa/UT+uTaHehxo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NVNE1MAikJoEXmOInXnbQPn/q95R/bcL25QpnrEaw/KkoPxkp/1gErkJD8fD2zM03wpC1Rmr6o/QqNhR1Qc3ydLwFjLJNzaUOwIrbvmm3cPJz2A9NYqOJVABnvSXVgGvzm+3XIFi4G7dkHN2v0L52atdlJd4Q5vRJ70NnLc6HY4= Received: by 10.82.152.16 with SMTP id z16mr7073320bud.1173645375896; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.4 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:36:15 -0400 From: dex To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c76419$a7bfe6c0$4a074c0a@andypc2> Subject: Re: Manual updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:36:17 -0000 On 3/11/07, Andy Kendall wrote: > As a newb to FreeBSD I find that the manual/handbook is not great in detail, > (understatement), and I seem to be relying on this questions list for a lot > of help. > In my opinion it relies on far too high a plateau of knowledge by it's > readers to be of initial use. > Am I really that thick or does anyone else feel this way? > Do the email list respondents find themselves answering the same questions > over and over? > Is there some way I can help to upgrade the manual entries with the detail I > find necessary to get things working and understand how they work, thereby > hopefully benefiting following newbs? > Is there a FreeBSD for dummies? I agree. I've been using FreeBSD for more than 7 years. I love it, but it has taken me a while to get to this point. Others I know also have trouble with it initially. A lot of that is due to the installer and what they find on www.freebsd.org. I think the reason for that is most of the core people spend most of their time in the core of the system, since most users are people who have been using unix for a long time and so already know a lot about it. With that said (typed), I think it has steadily improved. If you have some time to spare, you can join the documentation project - http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/who.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 11 20:45:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDC716A402 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B2613C45B for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from [66.180.132.238] (unknown [66.180.132.238]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317785C1F; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:45:30 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <45F46A6A.7070400@hdk5.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:45:30 -1000 From: NetOpsCenter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060417 FreeBSD/i386 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick Bowen References: <200703111301.55172.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <45F438DC.8050508@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:45:31 -0000 Patrick Bowen wrote: > Jonathan Horne wrote: > >> ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off >> from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my >> laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to >> the minimal desktop. >> >> id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like >> to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. >> >> can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader >> and web browser works best with your recommendation? >> >> thanks, >> jonathan >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > > Jonathan; > > Take a look at WindowMaker, or BlackBox if you want to get real > minimal. Both are excellent window managers (not desktops) and can be > found in ports. Firefox, Thunderbird, and all the rest work just fine. > > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to >