From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 00:10:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB07F1065673 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70208FC19 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABE2509EF for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:10:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q7I8H41Fl6Cm for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:10:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 55C6F508C3; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:10:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20081207001003.55C6F508C3@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:10:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2008-11-16 - 2008-12-06 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:10:08 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 2-Dec : Obscuring smtp auth headers If you consider your smtp-auth location to be private, this is what you want. http://freebsddiary.org/smtp-headers-rewrite-auth.php?2 29-Nov : OpenVPN - creating a routed VPN If you have multiple VPN clients, this is a practical solution. http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-routed.php?2 27-Nov : OpenVPN - getting it running Using OpenVPN to create a secure pathway between home and office http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn.php?2 27-Nov : Creating your own Certificate Authority How to create a CA and generate your own SSL certificates http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-easy-rsa.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 02:01:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B50106564A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:01:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brucec@muon.cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8958FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:01:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brucec@muon.cran.org.uk) Received: by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 29D6F19007; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:01:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:01:26 -0500 From: Bruce Cran To: Unga Message-ID: <20081207020126.GA23324@muon.cran.org.uk> References: <706654.84147.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <289102.92495.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <289102.92495.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD cannot power down X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:01:27 -0000 On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 03:42:51AM -0800, Unga wrote: > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Unga wrote: > > > From: Unga > > Subject: FreeBSD cannot power down > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 11:22 PM > > Hi all > > > > After a kernel recompilation on i386 RELENG_7 (not the > > latest), I cannot power down the machine. > > > > kldstat shows acpi.ko is loaded. > > > > It used to switch off but now the "shutdown -p > > now" halts the system with following messages: > > The operating system has halted. > > Please press any key to reboot. > > > > What else could I check to identify the cause? > > > > Appreciate your ideas on this. > > > > I had a look at source code. The program flow seems to be is as follows: > > shutdown => (signals) init => reboot() => boot() => shutdown_final => shutdown_halt() => cpu_halt() > > I did not see which function is called to request a power down. > > The __asm__ ("hlt") doesn't power down, isn't it? > > Could you guys help me to identify how shutdown request a power down. > HLT is just an old power-saving instruction that was traditionally run in the idle loop. From reading the code it looks like the system should be powered off during poweroff_wait but I can't see where ACPI is told to remove power. You might get more help by asking on the freebsd-acpi list. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 02:05:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6EB106564A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABA18FC13 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mB71xqSx011752; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:59:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mB71xqCl011751; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:59:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:59:52 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-ID: <20081207015952.GA11735@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20081202111740.96805018.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081202163920.GE90039@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <1228355243.23645.10.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <18743.14461.951431.581673@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1228359465.23645.27.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081204154923.GB1366@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <1228413503.79750.8.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081205160249.GA5954@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <493a29a0.hL3b8/2ruLsiG6A9%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <493a29a0.hL3b8/2ruLsiG6A9%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: jerrymc@msu.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS partitioning X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:05:02 -0000 On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 11:28:32PM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > Dangerous is probably overstating the issue a bit ... > > AFAIK the "danger" is that someone boots the machine with an > installer for some other OS, and that installer treats the > disk as unformatted -- hence "obviously" containing nothing > important -- because it doesn't have a recognizable MBR. Yes, that could happen if you run a non-FreeBSD installer that doesn't know about FreeBSD and Dangerously Dedicated disks. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 02:05:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92331065690 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD818FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mB720N0P011791; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:00:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mB720MSR011790; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:00:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:00:22 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081207020022.GB11735@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20081202111740.96805018.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081202163920.GE90039@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <1228355243.23645.10.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <18743.14461.951431.581673@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1228359465.23645.27.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081204154923.GB1366@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <1228413503.79750.8.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081205160249.GA5954@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <493a29a0.hL3b8/2ruLsiG6A9%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20081206091545.P33365@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081206091545.P33365@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: jerrymc@msu.edu, perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS partitioning X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:05:32 -0000 On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 09:16:00AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >AFAIK the "danger" is that someone boots the machine with an > >installer for some other OS, and that installer treats the > >disk as unformatted -- hence "obviously" containing nothing > >important -- because it doesn't have a recognizable MBR. > > some people rarely boot other OS :) And, in that case, it probably doesn't matter. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 02:37:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBEE1065675 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D442F8FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:37:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Received: from haran.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081207023707.DSLM17654.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@haran.polands.org>; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:37:07 +0000 Received: from jericho.polands.org (jericho.polands.org [172.16.1.33]) by haran.polands.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB72b6TL096250; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:37:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from doug@polands.org) Message-ID: <493B36D2.2040509@polands.org> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:37:06 -0600 From: Doug Poland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081124) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <493AFD81.6020705@polands.org> <20081207000913.V1934@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081207000913.V1934@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backup complete gmirror/gstripe/gjournal drives, how-to? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:37:09 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> periodic backups on this machine, but I suspect that the >> gmirror/gstripe/gjournal information is not being backed up. >> >> If my assumption is correct, how can I perform a "one-time" backup >> such that I could do a bare-metal restore? The essence of the >> question being I want to > > assuming you do gmirror first and then gstripe of gmirror then > use dd to read last sectors of each disk drive and each gmirror device. > and backup disklabels > Thanks for the suggestion. I did, in fact, create a gstripe of two gmirrors. If you don't mind me asking, how would one use the dd output you described above to restore those data? Would it include the gjournal metadata as well? -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 02:45:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC031065676 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:45:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3AA8FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:45:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB72jeel002646; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:45:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB72jeVN002643; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:45:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:45:40 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Doug Poland In-Reply-To: <493B36D2.2040509@polands.org> Message-ID: <20081207034453.B2642@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <493AFD81.6020705@polands.org> <20081207000913.V1934@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <493B36D2.2040509@polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backup complete gmirror/gstripe/gjournal drives, how-to? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:45:48 -0000 >>> that I could do a bare-metal restore? The essence of the question being I >>> want to >> >> assuming you do gmirror first and then gstripe of gmirror then >> use dd to read last sectors of each disk drive and each gmirror device. >> and backup disklabels >> > Thanks for the suggestion. I did, in fact, create a gstripe of two gmirrors. > If you don't mind me asking, how would one use the dd output you described > above to restore those data? Would it include the gjournal metadata as well? i don't know how gjournal works but geom data is always at last sector of provider From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 03:04:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF8B106564A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A468FC17 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.173.58]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:04:18 -0800 Message-ID: <493B3D77.6080404@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:05:27 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gwg7webbcom@yahoo.com References: <661217.76488.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <661217.76488.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2008 03:04:18.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EF8E530:01C95818] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: Dean Weimer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPFilter section in Handbook needs updating X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:04:51 -0000 G magicman wrote: > And incomplete yes i agree that the doc does need to be updated and examples (more) need to be added. > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Dean Weimer wrote: > From: Dean Weimer > Subject: IPFilter section in Handbook needs updating > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:07 AM > > I was just setting up ipfilter and ipmon on a FreeBSD 7 server, and noticed that > the ipmon and syslog information under the ipfilter section of the handbook is > incorrect. > > The section reads: > -----snip----- > 31.5.7 IPMON Logging > Syslogd uses its own special method for segregation of log data. It uses > special groupings called "facility" and "level". IPMON in > -Ds mode uses security as the "facility" name. All IPMON logged data > goes to security The following levels can be used to further segregate the > logged data if desired: > LOG_INFO - packets logged using the "log" keyword as the action > rather than pass or block. > LOG_NOTICE - packets logged which are also passed > LOG_WARNING - packets logged which are also blocked > LOG_ERR - packets which have been logged and which can be considered short > To setup IPFILTER to log all data to /var/log/ipfilter.log, you will need to > create the file. The following command will do that: > # touch /var/log/ipfilter.log > The syslog function is controlled by definition statements in the > /etc/syslog.conf file. The syslog.conf file offers considerable flexibility in > how syslog will deal with system messages issued by software applications like > IPF. > Add the following statement to /etc/syslog.conf: > security.* /var/log/ipfilter.log > The security.* means to write all the logged messages to the coded file > location. > To activate the changes to /etc/syslog.conf you can reboot or bump the syslog > task into re-reading /etc/syslog.conf by running /etc/rc.d/syslogd reload > Do not forget to change /etc/newsyslog.conf to rotate the new log you just > created above. > -----snip----- > > In trying to configure this I found that ipmon -Dsa doesn't log to > security, but logs to local0 instead. Reading the man page for ipmon does in > fact state this. However it also list the -L option as being able to change > this default behavior, I tried ipmon -DSa -L security, it excepts this, but > doesn't actually change the logging to use security. It still only outputs > to the syslog using local0, I also tried using ipmon -DSa -L local7 as well, > still outputs to local0. It was easy enough to modify my syslog.conf to output > the local0.* as well as security.* to the /var/log/security file. However it > would be greatly appreciated if someone that actually understands what's > going on here could get this info updated. It would have saved me some time, as > well as I am sure some other people in the future. Of course it's always > possible I am missing something simple here that is causing this discrepancy, > please do inform me if I did. It's probably worth mentioning that I am > starting ipmon using the rc.conf file with ipmon_enable="YES" and > ipmon_flags="-DSa", just in case the /etc/rc.d/ipmon script actually > changes the default behavior of ipmon in some way, though I didn't see > anything in it that should. And ps wwaux | grep ipmon does display the process > running with the flags exactly as stated on the ipmon_flags line of the > /etc/rc.conf file. > > Thanks, > Dean Weimer > Network Administrator > Orscheln Management Co > I wrote that whole firewall handbook section. How is the following for complete replacement of the 31.5.7 IPMON Logging section? 31.5.7 IPMON Logging Syslogd uses its own special method for segregation of log data. It uses special groupings called ‘facility’ and ‘level’. IPMON in –Ds mode uses local0 as the ‘facility’ name. All IPMON logged data goes to local0. You have to manually configure the /etc/syslog.conf file by adding the statements to direct the Local0 'facility' to the log file name recording the log records. FBSD keeps all of its syslog files in /var/log/ directory. First allocate the new named log file for the IPFMON logged data. touch /var/log/ipfilter.log # will allocate the file The syslog function is controlled by definition statements in the /etc/syslog.conf file. You will have to edit the /etc/syslog.conf file. Add the following statement to syslog.conf: local0.* /var/log/ipfilter.log The local0.* means to write all the logged messages to the coded file location. To activate the changes to /etc/syslog.conf you can reboot or bump the syslog task into re-reading /etc/syslog.conf by kill –HUP pid. You get the pid (IE: process number) by listing the tasks with the ps ax command. Find syslog in the display and the pid number is the number in the left column. Don’t forget to change /etc/newsyslog.conf to rotate the new named IPFILTER log you just created above. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 07:29:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F6B1065673 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from federico.cicciarella@clbsrl.it) Received: from mxavas4.alicom.com (mxavas4.alicom.com [217.73.225.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 813958FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from federico.cicciarella@clbsrl.it) Received: (qmail 22843 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 07:02:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 87.3.205.169 X-SMTP: ALICOM Quality Web Hosting Received: from unknown (HELO NBFederico) (87.3.205.169) by mxavas4.alicom.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 07:02:38 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Federico Cicciarella" To: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:02:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Error Kernel Compiling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:29:22 -0000 linking kernel.debug if.o(.text+0x1027): In function `if_setlladdr': /usr/src/sys/net/if.c:2646: undefined reference to `arp_ifinit' igmp.o(.text+0x45): In function `igmp_sendpkt': /usr/src/sys/netinet/igmp.c:472: undefined reference to `loif' ip_output.o(.text+0xae9): In function `ip_output': /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_output.c:1196: undefined reference to = `if_simloop' ip_output.o(.text+0xcfe):/usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_output.c:451: undefined = reference to `loif' ip6_input.o(.text+0xedf): In function `ip6_input': /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ip6_input.c:254: undefined reference to `loif' ip6_output.o(.text+0x10a): In function `ip6_mloopback': /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ip6_output.c:3258: undefined reference to = `if_simloop' ip6_output.o(.text+0x3bad): In function `ip6_output': /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ip6_output.c:845: undefined reference to `loif' nd6.o(.text+0x2d77): In function `nd6_rtrequest': /usr/src/sys/netinet6/nd6.c:1334: undefined reference to `loif' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Why? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 07:54:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DE8106564A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:54:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cynical.nihilist@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE0A8FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:54:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cynical.nihilist@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so285783ywe.13 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:54:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6/0QjuXOVu9kq+qxf0fNI7ACZ/Cd+mC/nPkHszKJAQI=; b=R/VTSlmXTeobgpdAWbKTHVq3evar5IXT2JTYTos3X17XzvpMSazZVZom23k7lj3Jzg JcYafqIIkr6u+JqgXM0Oxa7eZhdvcMe8ygbM4jBoY/zy6BYUGzfDLBF7XMvmPUE6/N/g sCg9qcfyI2THFqzvHbi4WDDH7qxl0huNROHvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oONbBeGAHC7XlaOZ7PZ5t+CO9u0qjzG74vQo9Eivwnqrz68LbyjmNd3jMiHucmEHtf Jm8nJh/4mJAOAt33KdpHSqCC627PnnnGrd2Vnx2AEA08OLtVokUoetyWOh5qaSRTz1wW hHYVHA6HTXSK9CSNkUdm/mdtIaiQclYwYlrAo= Received: by 10.65.107.10 with SMTP id j10mr1626612qbm.42.1228635175638; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? (c207.134.176-222.clta.globetrotter.net [207.134.176.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p6sm7686785qbp.1.2008.12.06.23.32.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:32:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493B7C14.3000408@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:32:36 -0500 From: Cynical Nihilist User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD /dev/fd0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:54:18 -0000 Hi, I am having issues configuring and using my external floppy drive on FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE. It's a parallel port floppy drive. /dev/fd0 is not present and dmesg shows fdc0: port 0x3f2-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FILTER] when using dmesg | grep fd parallel port is working properly and I can read/write from it. Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 08:01:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707581065672 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onsapoengo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f33.google.com (mail-fx0-f33.google.com [209.85.220.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7058FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onsapoengo@gmail.com) Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14so46029fxm.19 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:01:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=DNF9xt8MJf2iV+L39ym4W1goB+AtMTjNYztNXvNDpcI=; b=pey6S+31rpNgfhne8e9YVblvDXmEW4AFpPS7ovM+AIaqZJnrS2UYLlTy1GJzijIKze 22OcKy4cVQNhrFQ5LvN+Ti1WiXFnbUb/odFcKBJMlPoK1RIebmoqd26fjiQl1UX0v44E DLUPXyryhN3cWBhSgyaOwzWKyJyuI5TjsasHQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Lr4hDnJTj67xVkYGWg4dcsWKpRN5d7GF9dXR00a3W9IWsxS+DT5musy7izoyopGovD wg/SdPzGA4spmLv0Gk9wy4JuT2YKTSLcZZXGiKJvA2bcJQyyEq4CN30p8Bkp3kLs48kn 3jHOGfRgm3YILyidmSKwgG532YSWZdt4eY3CY= Received: by 10.181.146.11 with SMTP id y11mr737090bkn.5.1228635845331; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.142.17 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:44:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:44:05 +0300 From: "onsapoengo Ons" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:01:40 -0000 Hello ! It would be desirable to learn from experienced users OS - why FreeBSD does not concern the category serious systems at the overwhelming majority of manufacturers of hardware. More recently there were times when anybody from manufacturers did not notice Linux. However now it is possible to find a few companies who does not write drivers Linux for the products. Has really problem only in small user-base? More recently for example I addressed in a support service of one very large company who making a servers. The question has been connected with incorrectly working equipment. When me have asked "Whats there OS on harware" and having received answer "FreeBSD", they have given out "put normal OS - their list is at us on a site and then we will respond on yours ticked". It is very strange to hear similar things if to consider that by data netcraft and to other sources of information FreeBSD is the favourite at a number of large organisations ISP. It seems to me vendors are afraid of that FreeBSD has stable Core no structure. And if the constant collective of the developers working for the paid standard working days of 5 days in week has been generated - who would give support FreeBSD - people would concern serious OS and they would not have a feeling of incomprehensibility about the future and perspectivity FreeBSD. The salary to these programmers can be collected through donations or - perhaps to let out the commercial project on the basis of FreeBSD - for example the complete well adjusted distribution kit for servers or desktop - as PCBSD command does. And it is still possible - somewhere to publish base loyal vendors - "good" and "evil" in relation to FreeBSD. In number good to bring those who by own strength accompanies FreeBSD drivers the equipment. For example I know from such - 3Ware letting out controllers. Nvidia graphics card for i386. I very much love FreeBSD as OS, but unfortunately people have no correct representation about it. Where the truth. Thanks & WBR! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 08:40:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701E71065673; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D298FC13; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB78emBU005437; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:40:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB78ek8M005434; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:40:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:40:46 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: onsapoengo Ons In-Reply-To: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:40:58 -0000 > manufacturers of hardware. More recently there were times when anybody from because managers/bosses concentrate on majority, not minority of users. > manufacturers did not notice Linux. However now it is possible to find a few > given out "put normal OS - their list is at us on a site and then we will i recommend you to find "normal shop" to buy hardware, that allow you to fully test computer before buying. if you think there are larger (even hundreds means larger) start selling "FreeBSD compatible computers" in your area! You could make money on that, many people will easily spend 100$ more for computer that is already tested 100% FreeBSD compatible. All you have to do is to test/check lots of different parts of hardware if it actually work with FreeBSD fine, and make computers from that parts. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 08:41:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836D0106567B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41E78FC1F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:41:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB78frM0005452; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:41:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB78frMD005449; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:41:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:41:53 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Cynical Nihilist In-Reply-To: <493B7C14.3000408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081207094103.D5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <493B7C14.3000408@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD /dev/fd0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:41:59 -0000 > I am having issues configuring and using my external floppy drive on > FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE. It's a parallel port floppy drive. /dev/fd0 is not > present and dmesg shows > fdc0: port 0x3f2-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on > acpi0 > fdc0: [FILTER] > > when using dmesg | grep fd > > parallel port is working properly and I can read/write from it. is parallel floppy supported by FreeBSD? i don't think so. what you see in dmesg is standard builtin floppy controller, often present on chipset. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 09:10:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9C3106567C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44B68FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so320900wag.27 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:10:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=5Nu8o2hpHhBVfwCT5qIjpnni6mOy5moV8ELAbHXkpoI=; b=v+PUE5l9JCl7N863Kg55IMO+4npbQPHYNLeb9ASU4smJLBQLDcmo36oBPrgjAwK2Vy sZypgO5wZHOk+RYLhYi+xYS8M0zsX1YlPRRUxkL0fEIdzGYveR8atFk0iARvdsZBu9Iy 62KSC8jFGzf//K7ODsSxPwnYNgqAGzPJUHJ2Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=w65bkjuiA57j5tfFWmLcK5buT5NlZN+t2Vi/p1g+QoMzwe7MPfmV3BWqNNOur/z8yD knl3T8EqoRqUOtCnA3EezUkDqmNi58BcCK48pNK6DhFMeT8wgT/Sr55gkfUwiUMW1TYR XP13X1Ztnx+j9CnpaRyoaFI3YOxQ5Y0zUkkMI= Received: by 10.115.47.1 with SMTP id z1mr1479671waj.133.1228641010236; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.25.17 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 01:10:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <991123400812070110r6734e4bexf761705e20efd1dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:10:10 +0300 From: "Odhiambo Washington" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Adding Static Routes - Tricky situation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:10:11 -0000 Hello list, I have a situation where I am connecting two sites using mpd. mpd5 is running at site A on server mode while mpd5 is also running on site B but on initiator mode. Site B establishes a connection to site B to complete the tunnel. This works so far, and users on the LAN on site B are able to reach site A. Now I'd like to enable users on site A to also reach site B side of the LAN, but I don't see where in mpd I can do it. After some little thinking, I have noticed that I can add a static route definition to site A from site A, but this route can only be added when the tunnel interface is up. So far, I have assumed that in 120secs after (re)booting the server on site A, and assuming server on site B is up, it will be able to (re)establish the vpn connection to site A, and thus ng0 will be up. With that in mind, I am running a small primitive script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ng0.sh that: sleep 120 /sbin/route add -net a.b.c.d/24 -iface ng0 This is working, but it is quote primitive for me. I'd like this script to run based on the following conditions: 1. That mpd is started successfully 2. That ng0 is up Site A is FreeBSD 5.5-STABLE (yeah, I will soon upgrade it) while site B is FreeBSD-7.1-PRE, so both sides should support rcNG type scripts. Appreciate your help on how I can check for the two conditions. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, unlike our MPs!" -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 09:20:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EC21065670 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5B08FC18 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:20:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-103-241.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.103.241]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD3C3CEC1; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:20:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB79KMBB001466; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:20:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:20:22 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Cynical Nihilist Message-Id: <20081207102022.436c52e1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <493B7C14.3000408@gmail.com> References: <493B7C14.3000408@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD /dev/fd0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:20:35 -0000 As it has been mentioned before, it's questionable if there is any support for parallel floppy disk drives in FreeBSD. But there is support for USB driven external floppies, this is done via the ufd driver. On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:32:36 -0500, Cynical Nihilist wrote: > Hi, > > I am having issues configuring and using my external floppy drive on > FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE. It's a parallel port floppy drive. /dev/fd0 is not > present and dmesg shows > fdc0: port 0x3f2-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 > on acpi0 > fdc0: [FILTER] > > when using dmesg | grep fd Correct, this is at least a floppy disk controller (fdc) which seems to be present in the chipset of your mainboard, but this doesn't neccessarily imply that there are any floppy drives. > parallel port is working properly and I can read/write from it. You could write a pdf driver on your own. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 10:04:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93F51065673 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:04:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reddvinylene@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6E08FC1D for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reddvinylene@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so267050eyi.7 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:04:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=B26SnZWs+y7u1ZwxCmL2YAAch66pgGJjkc7+5+OUVP4=; b=jWEiNmiqfuSGdv3aPFFFvLDe7qAiZ1ustwmpi+rfDDjtu5phvZeKa/3xdYqhEq9XRk dFp6uIx5BE+WEDddk8wx9kKFE3WOCu8rIpfsQCD/aUls7b4dQeK7nk4Ao38u0h3sw5Iq DPsWAWtHHJEKHFOHdXRTKSp0ujSQqPveec01k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=xkoj/vX4dyLh1lVMd7cItVS3xDuUqALOF/yMJlDwEKmMvEmgf6NV15cto+EGOqtIoa 1GvyDDtR0SbFmQyeXirTzRkF1CtgOPg9FUdwaHBbB3eOL0MilOPu7F2uo05l5LXLGMNt 6Ci2lHuiJKBN2LkbCJsVyXQQT/3Xa15SXu0Fg= Received: by 10.103.198.20 with SMTP id a20mr774269muq.63.1228644241027; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.12.18 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:04:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:04:00 +0100 From: "Redd Vinylene" To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:04:03 -0000 On this dedicated box here I made the mistake of adding a comment to root's entry in my password file: root:*:0:0::/root:/bin/sh # What I thought would be a harmless comment. Now I can't su to root. And my ISP is closed on Sundays. Is there any way I can fix this on my own? Thanks y'all! -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 10:07:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8001065670 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4588C8FC13 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so267257eyi.7 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:07:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ybux9dtYMUYG2itwdgk/QqaDXrMtXdXXNNlJ1aljJFM=; b=IbRUOKZtpXvsaraj72cYZdQdubpkttXDqWU54TncBbfE3XiOOnO4A+do1s8s6kGoEv nsFay3QLMSADu/bMpzAV5jsnrDc3Rj7g0GyLsUZlRiDkyxkn7dtxvxkYcZpGwRlR79gI x34ddN1C4XK2Ilx2Ti66fuqZzHIddCJm9yzQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=BivTb8u21xkCyRiDAI4O7S5nwFuvlrTyOMRJk669MSH9W3ZTc42Bmc7MXwg6r0nQFF OVhf6hiPvpSWoiahfp355RNKO7bf3/f/OlSWhZ3T9QoB3EPZBXzF+Y0eOV6grkoHnvvz PpGHgd/hyJjjRbOLkHBdNUF3tMWUIooQxwJpw= Received: by 10.210.26.14 with SMTP id 14mr2171225ebz.164.1228644431163; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.117.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:07:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812070207u5dd5e49cr1ee3884cd5af046c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:07:11 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Redd Vinylene" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:07:12 -0000 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Redd Vinylene wrote: > On this dedicated box here I made the mistake of adding a comment to > root's entry in my password file: > > root:*:0:0::/root:/bin/sh # What I thought would be a harmless comment. > > Now I can't su to root. And my ISP is closed on Sundays. Is there any > way I can fix this on my own? Do you have sudo ? If yes (re)edit the file and change it back how it was. If not others might come with some opinions :|. a great day. v > > > Thanks y'all! > > -- > http://www.home.no/reddvinylene > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 10:07:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45B91065670 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC588FC17 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so1052059fkk.11 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:07:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=x40FWb2+qV6ZGTi9ni9IIb8DPXEb+IduU+LfUGOO4Xs=; b=SgVz3t1132U6EtLxCVjcTbZq5iIiY9U+LgcJ+UMATvaOH1H0S3Ays3pbg4nZ9g4lo4 BAclfifpRpad55hueLmrcbWNwvKvqLHMsiFg0A5FAMZYT/CRoPVevlSFfrslgFEAAmcm 5tlLp6eWT1I1T2R5ThMtBluM/IpjMwakqTPR0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=uxRyj9hBLHvqMxPRsR1g41RIMkXPRjFCNMsk9HNeJkOIYp8b71JZOqG/D4CevrbENY Q4JOmurDaR8E1DxbU//XvjzhdZHxOu25wV5sAFKSJjZyabkYhPFkTod+p6afLi/Jra+a keCQWimx1gMEvQzdOiYmHbJTBJqOhWzyNwGbA= Received: by 10.102.219.8 with SMTP id r8mr782236mug.10.1228644468187; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:07:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812070207k2136ea12p9bd6c9be2c0afd0f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 05:07:48 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Redd Vinylene" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:07:51 -0000 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Redd Vinylene wrote: > On this dedicated box here I made the mistake of adding a comment to > root's entry in my password file: > > root:*:0:0::/root:/bin/sh # What I thought would be a harmless comment. > This is why you shouldn't edit password files directly. > Now I can't su to root. And my ISP is closed on Sundays. Is there any > way I can fix this on my own? > Do you have sudo installed? If not, your only other option is to boot into single user mode. But that won't help if you're not at the console. -- Glen Barber "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 10:30:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD6B1065670 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reddvinylene@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8AE8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reddvinylene@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so691267mue.3 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:30:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=35Uk3a0SCTxnuaYbObKrS8bFPoAueYSnYdh77Pj1jMQ=; b=PZJrQxVwcAuWtwnWr7yjTopQBVTTkYkp6BGfXZE8GMy7Qdons8J9bLEwhWSq0sfhV1 0Nts5bUu0GBNiMJFA0EwytL1Q4SGxYHrQmfWby4xqrrEixen66JZeVlx0DuMMkiZYNVl evikOsg0fCHJKg2UcxN16hC0YtTfG85VkQtEo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FIGXsOfYGVWRDJDkCsGXpDkLU4vTW71anZa2IVJ8keAN5T3jHO8k5HU2kXqcTiJHlc 4pAfBVo3+vs6RRHitIOYTdp3sXcbkcCwGwjSfg+JZOVQAtkl0eiCaCI0eQqfNKKR2gja J432b2WD2p4ruZldl16MjCxvoZ20LjFMVtQJ4= Received: by 10.103.228.19 with SMTP id f19mr791945mur.18.1228645833676; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.12.18 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:30:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:30:33 +0100 From: "Redd Vinylene" To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812070207k2136ea12p9bd6c9be2c0afd0f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4ad871310812070207k2136ea12p9bd6c9be2c0afd0f@mail.gmail.com> Cc: glen.j.barber@gmail.com, valentin.bud@gmail.com Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:30:35 -0000 Thanks guys. But I guess I'm all outta luck: $ sudo -s /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libutil.so.5" not found, required by "sudo" On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Redd Vinylene wrote: >> On this dedicated box here I made the mistake of adding a comment to >> root's entry in my password file: >> >> root:*:0:0::/root:/bin/sh # What I thought would be a harmless comment. >> > > This is why you shouldn't edit password files directly. > >> Now I can't su to root. And my ISP is closed on Sundays. Is there any >> way I can fix this on my own? >> > > Do you have sudo installed? If not, your only other option is to boot > into single user mode. But that won't help if you're not at the > console. > > > -- > Glen Barber > > > "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to > show you how it's done." > --Scott Adams > -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 10:54:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1C81065670 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF91B8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:54:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L9HGu-0005U6-32; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:53:56 +0000 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id mB7ArsvY030274; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:53:55 GMT Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B9B8EFCB841; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:53:49 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:53:49 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Federico Cicciarella Message-ID: <20081207105349.GA61423@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Federico Cicciarella , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p2 i386 X-Organisation: 'http://www.shute.org.uk/' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.1.7 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:53:55 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error Kernel Compiling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:54:01 -0000 On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 08:02:33AM +0100, Federico Cicciarella wrote: > > linking kernel.debug > if.o(.text+0x1027): In function `if_setlladdr': > /usr/src/sys/net/if.c:2646: undefined reference to `arp_ifinit' > igmp.o(.text+0x45): In function `igmp_sendpkt': > /usr/src/sys/netinet/igmp.c:472: undefined reference to `loif' > ip_output.o(.text+0xae9): In function `ip_output': > /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_output.c:1196: undefined reference to `if_simloop' > ip_output.o(.text+0xcfe):/usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_output.c:451: undefined reference to `loif' > ip6_input.o(.text+0xedf): In function `ip6_input': > /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ip6_input.c:254: undefined reference to `loif' > ip6_output.o(.text+0x10a): In function `ip6_mloopback': > /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ip6_output.c:3258: undefined reference to `if_simloop' > ip6_output.o(.text+0x3bad): In function `ip6_output': > /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ip6_output.c:845: undefined reference to `loif' > nd6.o(.text+0x2d77): In function `nd6_rtrequest': > /usr/src/sys/netinet6/nd6.c:1334: undefined reference to `loif' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > > > > Why? Probably because you've left something important on the networking side out of your kernel config. If you post your kernel config, then somebody maybe able to spot it. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 11:02:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3728D1065670 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:02:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F768FC27 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:02:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L9HPQ-0008AX-B4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:02:44 +0000 Received: from pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net ([138.88.90.120]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:02:44 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:02:44 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:02:26 -0500 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <4ad871310812070207k2136ea12p9bd6c9be2c0afd0f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:02:49 -0000 Redd Vinylene wrote: > Thanks guys. But I guess I'm all outta luck: > > $ sudo -s > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libutil.so.5" not found, required by > "sudo" > [snip] Don't know if this would help but you might try creating a file called libmap.conf in /etc and place in it: libutil.so.5 libutil.so.7 This would be for a 7.x box. You can always do ldconfig -r |grep libutil to look for the candidate for the entry for the right column above. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 11:07:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8291065672 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98848FC1F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB7B7iFt051340; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:07:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mB7B7hBg051339; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:07:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:07:43 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: Michael Powell Message-ID: <20081207110743.GB50965@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4ad871310812070207k2136ea12p9bd6c9be2c0afd0f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:07:47 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:07:49 -0000 On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 06:02:26AM -0500, Michael Powell typed: > Redd Vinylene wrote: > > > Thanks guys. But I guess I'm all outta luck: > > > > $ sudo -s > > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libutil.so.5" not found, required by > > "sudo" > > > [snip] > > Don't know if this would help but you might try creating a file called > libmap.conf in /etc and place in it: > > libutil.so.5 libutil.so.7 This advise is only helpful if you have root allready =) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 11:34:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EC5106564A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3781F8FC1F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L9HuQ-0000jm-Bb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:34:46 +0000 Received: from pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net ([138.88.90.120]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:34:46 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:34:46 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:34:31 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <4ad871310812070207k2136ea12p9bd6c9be2c0afd0f@mail.gmail.com> <20081207110743.GB50965@ei.bzerk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:34:51 -0000 Ruben de Groot wrote: [snip] > > This advise is only helpful if you have root allready =) I've never figured out why people seem to always want to play with the root account the way they do, such as the favorite "I wanna use bash for root's shell"... Since the OP seems to want to keep playing with root he should probably consider giving the toor user a shell and password so he'll have another way to undo this nonsense. Suggestion for the future... -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 11:49:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B741065670 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:49:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joost@jodocus.org) Received: from viefep18-int.chello.at (viefep18-int.chello.at [213.46.255.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EA08FC13 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:49:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joost@jodocus.org) Received: from edge05.upc.biz ([192.168.13.212]) by viefep15-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20081207113258.INLP29018.viefep15-int.chello.at@edge05.upc.biz>; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:32:58 +0100 Received: from bps.jodocus.org ([62.194.47.110]) by edge05.upc.biz with edge id oBYw1a02S2NeSae05BYxjo; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:32:58 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.194.47.110 Received: from jodocus.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bps.jodocus.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB7BWuA3079747; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:32:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from joost@jodocus.org) Received: from 192.168.100.227 (SquirrelMail authenticated user joost) by jodocus.org with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:32:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1567.192.168.100.227.1228649576.squirrel@jodocus.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:32:56 +0100 (CET) From: "Joost Bekkers" To: "Redd Vinylene" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (bps.jodocus.org [IPv6:::1]); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:32:56 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8730/Sun Dec 7 07:03:03 2008 on bps.jodocus.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:49:01 -0000 On Sun, December 7, 2008 11:04, Redd Vinylene wrote: > On this dedicated box here I made the mistake of adding a comment to > root's entry in my password file: > > root:*:0:0::/root:/bin/sh # What I thought would be a harmless comment. > > Now I can't su to root. And my ISP is closed on Sundays. Is there any > way I can fix this on my own? > Try `su -m` the man page says it will use your current shell instead of the one in passwd. good luck. Joost. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 12:51:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8991065672 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8838F8FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:51:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L9J6o-0000rX-UQ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:51:38 +0000 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id mB7Cpc03029107; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:51:38 GMT Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DB511FCB841; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:51:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:51:32 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Federico Cicciarella Message-ID: <20081207125132.GA61694@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Federico Cicciarella , FreeBSD Questions References: <20081207105349.GA61423@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p2 i386 X-Organisation: 'http://www.shute.org.uk/' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.1.7 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:51:38 +0000 (GMT) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Error Kernel Compiling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:51:41 -0000 On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 12:08:12PM +0100, Federico Cicciarella wrote: > > My Machine i: ASUS P5N-E, Celeron D 440, 1 slot PCI 10\100 Realtek > > > > > Configure Kenrel: > > machine i386 > cpu I686_CPU > ident ArrakisKernel > makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug > symbols > options SCHED_4BSD # 4BSD scheduler > options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption > options INET # InterNETworking > options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols > options SCTP # Stream Control Transmission > Protocol > options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem > options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support > options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists > options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big > directories > options UFS_GJOURNAL # Enable gjournal-based UFS > journaling > options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device > options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires > PSEUDOFS) > options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework > options GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization > options COMPAT_43TTY # BSD 4.3 TTY compat [KEEP THIS!] > options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 > options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 > options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 # Compatible with FreeBSD6 > options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI > options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support > options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues > options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores Probably need: options SYSVSHM > options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time > extensions > options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev > options ADAPTIVE_GIANT # Giant mutex is adaptive. > options STOP_NMI # Stop CPUS using NMI instead of IPI > options AUDIT # Security event auditing > options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel > device apic # I/O APIC > device cpufreq > device eisa > device pci > device ata > device atadisk # ATA disk drives > device ataraid # ATA RAID drives > device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives > device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives > device atapist # ATAPI tape drives > options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering > device psm # PS/2 mouse > device vga # VGA video card driver > device splash # Splash screen and screen saver support > device sc > device pmtimerport bus (required) typo above? > device re # RealTek 8139C+/8169/8169S/8110S > device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 > device bpf # Berkeley packet filter > > # USB support > device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface > device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface > device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) > device usb # USB Bus (required) > device ugen # Generic > device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" > device ukbd # Keyboard > device ulpt # Printer > device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da > device ums # Mouse > device ural # Ralink Technology RT2500USB wireless NICs > device rum # Ralink Technology RT2501USB wireless NICs > device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player > device uscanner # Scanners > > # USB Ethernet, requires miibus So where's miibus? > device aue # ADMtek USB Ethernet > device axe # ASIX Electronics USB Ethernet > device cdce # Generic USB over Ethernet > device cue # CATC USB Ethernet > device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB Ethernet > device rue # RealTek RTL8150 USB Ethernet > > # Pseudo devices. > device loop # Network loopback > device random # Entropy device > device ether # Ethernet support > device tun # Packet tunnel. > device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) > device md # Memory "disks" > device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling > device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) > What you want to do when you build a custom kernel is: # cp GENERIC MYKERN and then comment out the bits you don't want. That way you can run a diff on GENERIC & MYKERN to see the bits you've changed & might be causing you problems. I've commented the above config with the problems that jump out at me but there could be other stuff missing. You also didn't mention your uname -a Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 12:58:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C43106564A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:58:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFBA8FC17 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:58:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so180510qwb.7 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:58:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:organization:to:subject :date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=Yta939XIqR0xtPFC7GVBmaQV5ZF5jJB9yHiDvt8K7NI=; b=QkDPsmdc1K9ucZOu0ruDHdtS//eLhU3Vxt1q618/tyUvjG5Gy8KtS9cWrfS95xgyVj oTmogL/KuZ4Zx+ssL+7o/3vKdR73c/VL0u8yUtGyvZSRhL8+pzWxbLuds3utP7MeqqfK qiKbbGEdapDoXRcS8uFMmfDN2vxj4ipKYDgGA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; b=V8P2NNld23iKSykggZFzF4KtmeUeayitUB/d9nM92YU4ITmfpT7OQejBGBENz9SGps wirkveAaUGTXR5kd7SJHN+ak2cua8HQwf+3y8zjtTdmG6ZbymxRQCGeDBpdkPKxDavzX ACr4Ivrf1+jJjonf6N4g7+qPyy7tQ7tIwtPVA= Received: by 10.214.59.12 with SMTP id h12mr1386165qaa.291.1228654688300; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?0.0.0.0? ([196.34.241.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm26868963yxt.1.2008.12.07.04.58.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:58:07 -0800 (PST) From: David Naylor Organization: Private To: "matt donovan" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:57:57 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4939CABB.7050702@maydias.com> <493A3379.5000003@maydias.com> <28283d910812061219u2915f49cw9767c4abffb33dd2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <28283d910812061219u2915f49cw9767c4abffb33dd2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1583868.5FL2m27gYK"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200812071458.01055.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Cc: Warren Liddell , perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: QT4.5 packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:58:09 -0000 --nextPart1583868.5FL2m27gYK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 06 December 2008 22:19:32 matt donovan wrote: > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Warren Liddell wrot= e: > > You can find many packages for several releases under > > > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386 > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > Yeah that was the first palced i checked, but there is only 4.4.1 and at > > the least i need 4.4.2, but a lot of things im now running require 4.5 = an > > being as i can build them i goto add them from pkg .. im running AMD64 > > FreeBSD 7.1-PreRelease KDE 4.1.3 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Qt4.5 has not been ported over yet but they are working on it. I may be missing something here but Qt 4.5 has not been released yet. It h= as=20 not even reached beta yet (and there are still lots of regression with=20 regards to KDE but the regressions should be fixed by the beta). =20 Qt 4.4.2 is in area51, you can use the following command to get a working c= opy=20 of the repository (oh and KDE 4.1.3 is also in area51): svn co https://kf.athame.co.uk/kde-freebsd/tags/kde_4_1 Regards --nextPart1583868.5FL2m27gYK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkk7yFkACgkQUaaFgP9pFrJ9eACfZApMcwCsdD9XHMpPZxBHcu4F pjYAnjjmlnqNe2+3f8Stg1i2aUNWwm1M =Ccp3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1583868.5FL2m27gYK-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 13:29:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE51106564A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:29:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 898628FC19 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:29:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65971 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 13:29:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=UnCwkN3i+2aOZDOyl8XgZtx+1rD+6aTxB2UgTXJ3m6buOtQgT9iSKPL8Vu/EukfNAWxl35a3risFVEOf6NZE5EIdowneZowMlo4vPu0Gnzusy9LgBhGYkbJz3oQMjjRxDmAR06GjucWCooQpfRC6Y2eDx0KT03TAXpAnUaNGBPM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 13:29:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VseUkVcVM1kxl6iQRjUaXIYQ6sTQAo98LtYrPKBUZua0DLtb81FPdMkpQyY8_9u4JzePCyO8L32..BfWpMr_KA_fRZKta0G8dOJuYh1jE62JKgkNhfEbNIvzYqYvQrNmJBP1fbK58pCZzhi8l33xIV6V2rnELLGpoNmtSTZewVV9FEcHnaqW3F23Bg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:29:32 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/8INw/4qGWm2XRZlCSxCjvCW"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:29:36 -0000 --Sig_/8INw/4qGWm2XRZlCSxCjvCW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:40:46 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> manufacturers of hardware. More recently there were times when >> anybody from > >because managers/bosses concentrate on majority, not minority of users. That is plain good business sense. As Willy Sutton once remarked to a reporter, Mitch Ohnstad, who asked why he robbed banks by saying, "because that's where the money is." >> manufacturers did not notice Linux. However now it is possible to >> find a few > >> given out "put normal OS - their list is at us on a site and then we >> will > >i recommend you to find "normal shop" to buy hardware, that allow you >to fully test computer before buying. Obvious, if you are buying a custom built unit. Maybe, even if you buying a generic unit. >if you think there are larger (even hundreds means larger) start >selling "FreeBSD compatible computers" in your area! > >You could make money on that, many people will easily spend 100$ more >for computer that is already tested 100% FreeBSD compatible. > >All you have to do is to test/check lots of different parts of >hardware if it actually work with FreeBSD fine, and make computers >from that parts. The problem with the business design is what do you do if a customer wants a specific hardware device that FreeBSD does not support. The changes of that happening in Linux are much less, and with Windows, virtually never at all. IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement, it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization to improve its basic product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which are the future of computing. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com There are ten or twenty basic truths, and life is the process of discovering them over and over and over. David Nichols --Sig_/8INw/4qGWm2XRZlCSxCjvCW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk7z70ACgkQBvaKIJWWCO0TTACePQfEzgp6Za2c3Wfae07hxPLP Uf4AnRI7klb6K0avtx2LOj6LznLtA2p0 =PSZV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/8INw/4qGWm2XRZlCSxCjvCW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 13:30:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C8810656DB for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:30:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shinjii@maydias.com) Received: from smtp.po.exetel.com.au (pecan.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B628FC1B for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shinjii@maydias.com) Received: from 196.43.96.58.exetel.com.au ([58.96.43.196] helo=enterprise.blackthorn.nu) by smtp.po.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L9JiX-0004rF-HJ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:30:38 +1100 Message-ID: <493BD006.9000203@maydias.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:30:46 +1000 From: Warren Liddell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081206) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Naylor References: <4939CABB.7050702@maydias.com> <493A3379.5000003@maydias.com> <28283d910812061219u2915f49cw9767c4abffb33dd2@mail.gmail.com> <200812071458.01055.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200812071458.01055.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: matt donovan , perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: QT4.5 packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:30:41 -0000 I may be missing something here but Qt 4.5 has not been released yet. It has > not even reached beta yet (and there are still lots of regression with > regards to KDE but the regressions should be fixed by the beta). > > Qt 4.4.2 is in area51, you can use the following command to get a working copy > of the repository (oh and KDE 4.1.3 is also in area51): > > svn co https://kf.athame.co.uk/kde-freebsd/tags/kde_4_1 > > Regards > enterprise# portupgrade -aDkp [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 732 packages found (-0 +2) .. done] Stale dependency: akonadi-1.0.0 --> qt4-qtestlib-4.5.0.tp1 -- manually run 'pkgdb -F' to fix, or specify -O to force. My ports tree is run entirely from svn from area51, im also running KDE 4.1.3, i all ready have QT4.4.2 installed :) .. im looking to run the newer KDE 4.2 on a test machine hence why QT4.5 is needed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 14:22:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04551065676 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A558FC13 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mB7EHbIw015725; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:17:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mB7EHbnV015724; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:17:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:17:37 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Redd Vinylene Message-ID: <20081207141737.GA15666@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:22:49 -0000 On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 11:04:00AM +0100, Redd Vinylene wrote: > On this dedicated box here I made the mistake of adding a comment to > root's entry in my password file: > > root:*:0:0::/root:/bin/sh # What I thought would be a harmless comment. > > Now I can't su to root. And my ISP is closed on Sundays. Is there any > way I can fix this on my own? DO you have physical access to the machine? If so, force it to reboot - maybe by pulling the plug if you have to then bring it up in single user mode. Remount root mount -u / Then use vipw to edit the file and remove that comment and any trailing blanks on that line. Then reboot again. ////jerry > > Thanks y'all! > > -- > http://www.home.no/reddvinylene > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 15:03:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02471065670 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdavtaker@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363BD8FC23 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sdavtaker@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so956025fgb.35 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:03:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=Pd2u7dfXC8zP1S6Mt8V/PD0pP2UhIWcRFjxrUuJQRfM=; b=BzYsXcvt8Y8HjITNFqYSt9nVYODiwJfNIJYvXGgvAYYBuf5aD3qDmNfaIglc8WVoMo 5RdTftp1qOz1/SnNe16Azwis1aVnPWYqTC7F7GVf9x+65SFAIJiUQfCGKzsLASR4p0Iv yoq1kvBGM57YrD70oD2bF0jYSyW8Q1SGh2VEA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WDqzzfLoq47evSXn6EJssCLgSUv78WMeA2LhNTWbop24/xl6lvM6yqmgIjm2Wj4Z+b 1kA2FxZvBwIhFoeJWNGkQbOFriVruthGtchMOSQOlPD9N5NbM9amkIDtlE2bvqdQ4qVV +2X9cAUArKSm8IKa15puuLguYJDF5DKIU0NlA= Received: by 10.86.59.18 with SMTP id h18mr2009745fga.31.1228662221927; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:03:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.86.7 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:03:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:03:41 -0200 From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Sd=C3=A4vtaker?=" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Problem lauching Eclipse X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:03:43 -0000 Im trying to run last ports version of eclipse in FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE-p1 #0: Mon Nov 24 11:49:24 UTC 2008 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC It starts and ask for env place, i select /usr/home/myaccount then start loading all the modules, and when getting to the last step crashes and shows this: JVM terminated. Exit code=1 /usr/local/bin/java -Xms40m -Xmx256m -jar /usr/local/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.0.1.R33x_v20080118.jar -os freebsd -ws gtk -arch x86 -showsplash -launcher /usr/local/eclipse/eclipse -name Eclipse --launcher.library /usr/local/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.gtk.freebsd.x86_1.0.3.R33x_v20080118/eclipse_1023.so -startup /usr/local/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.0.1.R33x_v20080118.jar -exitdata 10002 -vm /usr/local/bin/java -vmargs -Xms40m -Xmx256m -jar /usr/local/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.0.1.R33x_v20080118.jar Someone got this problem before? any idea what is wrong? thanks for any help- Sdav From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 15:56:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2771065675 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0C28FC19 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so315612ywe.13 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:56:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=RFBgf0UXguEWv4yWNwxMWm3MXxashumnOtECyg1Yed0=; b=dpDmjgohIxAsJWGFNQbPV4RgzRxPaMe30rmAtzQPr7pf1EHLszVa6PZHxkUd5mgn3M QLNaPVrWAdv4M9ntx9//0sIYGwiMb+vinBRhuppk16aj+oQo4SY3BktNOKtdUTVG0raW pXkvJUS4bx8Ea+LIjcbaWaZMPgy84wbQpXnTg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=icl1gOn3y2+CPznYkitmH1GOCilVIwX1p5TlG4mHGumUAeGPouwcRH2lfFk9uKbjOv WovMs8n/i/TL/sPUSZ1B3nmEXryfeCqzY5GlMHOsaG088/K8NzydfFGCPg+r9XcaD5I3 LEuv6mUfZurkUjKZOo/LeZk0LoVgSUPglrhNE= Received: by 10.151.110.14 with SMTP id n14mr1856470ybm.160.1228665407685; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:56:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.154.21 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:56:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20def4870812070756n649f442fwc6e1d3da195a0669@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:56:47 +0200 From: "Yony Yossef" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Timer driven tasks in FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:56:48 -0000 Hi All, What mechanism should I use for making my netwrok driver call a function every half a second, for instnace? I am already using task queues but I haven't found a way to make it work with a timer. Thanks Yony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 16:03:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B62C106564A; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F808FC17; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl153-194.kln.forthnet.gr [62.1.244.194]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mB7G3Roa014721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:03:32 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB7G3Qxr052044; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:03:26 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mB7G3Ppr052043; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:03:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Yony Yossef" References: <20def4870812070756n649f442fwc6e1d3da195a0669@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:03:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20def4870812070756n649f442fwc6e1d3da195a0669@mail.gmail.com> (Yony Yossef's message of "Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:56:47 +0200") Message-ID: <877i6ct1kj.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mB7G3Roa014721 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.003, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.40, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Timer driven tasks in FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:03:38 -0000 On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:56:47 +0200, "Yony Yossef" wrote: > Hi All, > > What mechanism should I use for making my netwrok driver call a > function every half a second, for instnace? > > I am already using task queues but I haven't found a way to make it > work with a timer. callout_xxx() functions should do the trick. See the timeout(9) manpage for more details. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 16:53:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673581065677 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151308FC1C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:53:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so320036ywe.13 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:53:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZvwuyllcCAaXpZE/oPuzG9bx93eGCufhqsuJ8bcUE+c=; b=Udu8Us2V9aIAoVWiAUuddGu1mSM4ZA8DqpYkkYfXYHe2KbWSx/4G9GdKFfjtcLfCpE j7pUBiezZ1aASpcxM1agnVmnM2HycU+0qrHPXc5Jz6iBeUe9dtxRha6KVHKvVvI11E+2 dHJOtiZW8NKpANqdiXd+DEPuKEsIzhikt+r3s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BlvD2xL5rHL8TWq8tvjmHN21YN0yCyLAMr8RTR83c/9/pi9/pLnxmFN03TgUmFMoxH FhHnsvLKvB/VJXn3BRGwJ5d0mu1MHgnBVlyZ+Smhy9Hf0SqyB0FW8fbnS5Ataoly+/4t OPKAEirUUl2qD4qqmNwvWmpbFFew+NabpY0JQ= Received: by 10.64.183.1 with SMTP id g1mr2003278qbf.26.1228668783666; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.184.9 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:53:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:53:03 -0600 From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:53:05 -0000 > NVidia, for one, has expressed > a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization > to improve its basic product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which > are the future of computing. Does anyone know of any recent progress on a 64bit Nvidia Driver? there is mention of progress on this page http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41545&page=24 Sam Fourman Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 17:39:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF0E1065675 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nino80@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622268FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nino80@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so372181wag.27 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:39:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dQQtbbNfAxOweOzK9HLZlSTGc2mQoPOEGldHtLrB0m0=; b=lh1fIg/W2a2smbz7xr7Odno1SenRTDVjtB57a7x+b1+cBXXnVZjiWWk0h6KEmON51c iZPj5cgZfzwTrp8gzNM0RXzVNg8Itn+3PGYQHaGhcBu5AO4yYF9RAcsGN3II4w5KgcPz +bFAqPRGfJI/nwYdlBnrPo2XV6F2iBVvyaz3c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=kjFYnJSAn3SBklhrXNuWFb1U5hEDWfY4LmyLf1hoVt0XB2eH4ijuEqdbYqfbuMdHKQ G6fVTMTpd8iLM28hmeqvAe2KzwHzQNBtXQWlWtz5zjxJa0z7wTQlT5avu7X7NV4R8DBH 2ZrR1ZuExvHVTXBkpTSAX3ckU+PyvANyZgZ3E= Received: by 10.114.192.17 with SMTP id p17mr1734558waf.196.1228671549964; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.107.20 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:39:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <92bcbda50812070939v59afe196od1c8b6489b5a0d6c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:39:09 +0100 From: "n j" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200812012304.56334.beech@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200812012304.56334.beech@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:39:10 -0000 > versions. The packages for a particular branch tend to lag the updates by up > to a couple of weeks although they are built continually. If you want to stay > really up to date you need to keep your tree updated with portsnap or csup > (part of the base system) and compile them yourself. Another advantage to > compiling is you can choose options. The packages are always built with > default options which is generally OK, but not always optimal. On a discussion note, wouldn't it be nice (and quite possible based on the frequency of vulnerability reports on vuxml) to have a sort of "security" branch for pre-built packages? What I mean is, if you use -RELEASE package repository, you get the benefit of a large number of pre-built packages at a cost of them not being up to date. On the other hand, building all the packages all the time (i.e. using -STABLE repository) results in the mentioned couple of weeks lag, probably due to the sheer number of ports available. So, it would be nice to have a sort of -SECURITY branch (much like it existed before freebsd-update became part of base system) and make a dedicated package repository where only packages with reported vulnerabilities in vuxml would get (promptly and regularly) rebuilt thus giving people options of doing binary up-to-date upgrading without inflicting too much load on the package building machines. Thoughts anyone? -- Nino From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 18:18:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2236B1065672 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B428FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB7II9Nh001622; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:18:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB7II8PX001619; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:18:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:18:08 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Sam Fourman Jr." In-Reply-To: <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:18:15 -0000 > Does anyone know of any recent progress on a 64bit Nvidia Driver? > there is mention of progress on this page > http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41545&page=24 most freebsd users don't need 3D at all, or don't need super-high-speed 3D. so simply don't use nvidia/ati From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 18:18:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D55A1065675 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD848FC1A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB7IImdT001629; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:18:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB7IIlGB001626; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:18:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:18:46 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20081207141737.GA15666@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20081207191824.H1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081207141737.GA15666@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Redd Vinylene Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:18:51 -0000 > > If so, force it to reboot - maybe by pulling the plug if you have to > then bring it up in single user mode. CTRL-ALT-DEL shutdowns the system unless it was configured not to. > Remount root mount -u / > Then use vipw to edit the file and remove that comment and any trailing > blanks on that line. > Then reboot again. > > ////jerry > > >> >> Thanks y'all! >> >> -- >> http://www.home.no/reddvinylene >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 18:50:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4B41065676 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0A78FC1A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 30so468493ugs.39 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:50:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=83G4v8hYc4fBGi4CoCSaUXzIKNLbIEBvGvR0WA5o66c=; b=I5dsIxi13Z2A05LWdDUdfefxze+4eCBStGsmyvLT8GlAH1CBycQjOsqus2N5CM/3SU vUuVrv8xh/yDDBQvV0LnKZyHWlcmdo2OxLMs/6fsWFBETSng+iaOaYcEJgq1ly0HkRLQ JcOQ1IjXIzw9S/RIlONYGzoX31fo97Ls5jtCI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; b=RvrB/H/UUJd7oHFmmSiCf7KslnLifKd9q0W+ALeGXnyQ9SQpRf8MMzi7rqTkI80COV SJ42wp6COdCrYWYcZzZcvka2PaEwxx+oH7CtAmXlv1BWIMZPiivKJTWi/P8yuXLmHnK+ P5XUPe/47QXZ9AvuSjq6P4bgxIDf4yzu4le+E= Received: by 10.103.247.14 with SMTP id z14mr917983mur.70.1228675833067; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.invalid ([77.241.45.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j6sm23350570mue.41.2008.12.07.10.50.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:50:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ole Vole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:50:44 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.1.1; i386; ; ) References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812072150.44361.subbsd@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: subbsd@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:50:35 -0000 If only 3D or "super-high-speed" has been affected by this driver. Regrettably most application simple is not usable, like video-players, google-earth, KDE4.... - all of that on my desktop station with > 4Gb of RAM is looks&works like nightmare in vesa (xorg nv)-driver. And me too a very long time waiting for news from NV/BSD team. On Sunday 07 December 2008 21:18:08 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Does anyone know of any recent progress on a 64bit Nvidia Driver? > > there is mention of progress on this page > > http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41545&page=24 > > most freebsd users don't need 3D at all, or don't need super-high-speed > 3D. > > so simply don't use nvidia/ati > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 18:56:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0DE1065670 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE678FC1A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so339505ana.13 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:56:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=k6Lnxqu1Fj8c3+SaBR5zRPOHfrPHR2f6sh7htj6Un6M=; b=ibyCVHXFHEQJz0CLu0fwIuNEDP4MfjI2tQqsJ1VRroZ2Tr1HAMW1Bf2yGcgnyljaEU 3cB+23o0j+K1rhWDn4ieBW5sPL4cTS5944rR+Odlh4l9YrItJ047qmRmRnYbtd1r0pGx c0f0OcPI1uT6dch7kmJebeFvAL+pFtGzRKrA0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=SPnzE3jtS6cZhx3vffxvHGicBfmRGVljhwmyc7n5Dce6wRwdfq5sUhwnbnwmeK2fPo +aMOy9Z6MSk77QOfta1TOuO/VEnBNZUyuomFqqz6hYE5UUgLO9iHWH+X7i66VNnV+8+9 d19Cf7detOvIhyAxIjESs6CiPWuIaDPLg+OYk= Received: by 10.231.12.12 with SMTP id v12mr18695ibv.43.1228676160133; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.76 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:56:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3a142e750812071056l50e8f464oa5169b9f3d107902@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:56:00 +0100 From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: subbsd@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <200812072150.44361.subbsd@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200812072150.44361.subbsd@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:56:01 -0000 On 12/7/08, Ole Vole wrote: > If only 3D or "super-high-speed" has been affected by this driver. > Regrettably > most application simple is not usable, like video-players, google-earth, > KDE4.... - all of that on my desktop station with > 4Gb of RAM is > looks&works > like nightmare in vesa (xorg nv)-driver. And me too a very long time waiting > for news from NV/BSD team. Simple solution: Pay them or someone to do it for you, or hack it yourself, or wait for it little longer. -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 19:35:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A10D1065677 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-11.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-11.bluehost.com [69.89.18.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 182B38FC21 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 21908 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 19:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 19:35:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=P8J+RYxIg4AD4e1Y1tdxkRf/acLZT29br7FJGd+7xze7PIzFcKyJ7n8G8wyofFeEHDXqMIH2N9lMS1NWCcI/nTvg+xa3ondY6YmSBnk8fysSiJ90hXhlaO19CYHRMZ4u; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9PPm-0006YZ-9r for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:35:38 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:35:27 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:35:27 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081207193527.GA34325@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:35:39 -0000 --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 08:29:32AM -0500, Jerry wrote: >=20 > IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement, > it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed > a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization > to improve its basic product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which > are the future of computing. Please explain your use of the word "improve" in this context. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Mediocrity corrupts. Bureaucracy corrupts absolutely. --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk8JX8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKW2FwCgqwpNHFk6/+PI2PdzNauGn5vD 4hYAoMmkc3Clursb36CZX9Kwqvbtto6z =NmzJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 19:49:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455B51065676 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de (mo-p00-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972FB8FC1E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 X-RZG-AUTH: :LWgJfE6Id/4Sm/WkdV0gEbKL+/p/UjmosA/b4BPf1Ida/rA7aGe02Q== Received: from athena.laverenz.de ([77.20.0.69]) by post.strato.de (klopstock mo18) (RZmta 17.20) with ESMTP id 505410kB7IdjIW for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:37:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by athena.laverenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651CE127BCA for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:35:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from athena.laverenz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (athena [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22309-01 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:35:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by athena.laverenz.de (Postfix, from userid 2000) id E7EB8127BE2; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:35:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:35:17 +0100 From: Uwe Laverenz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: private site Sender: uwe@laverenz.de User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at laverenz.de Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:49:06 -0000 On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:18:08PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > most freebsd users don't need 3D at all, or don't need super-high-speed > 3D. Who is "most freebsd users"? I agree that there are more important things to worry about than nvidia/amd64 support, but: if you want to buy a computer these days and want to use it as a desktop/workstation with our favourite operating system, you have a serious problem to find a graphics card that is both useable and buyable. > so simply don't use nvidia/ati Ok, what else then? Uwe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 19:56:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F701065672 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-21.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-21.bluehost.com [69.89.21.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A098C8FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 1503 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2008 19:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 19:56:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=RTYBbs39YtFxE0avDcI3f5wS/01Ea8DoPSLJ6W/51vKL4a+3Bh5kd3eiTTEmlb6CRoUPTkM2SDZ10RlXgvdvOBPdzwLU+UsbhlTUoq4lYCrl6hJegZ7LYtk2nJHRCCK4; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9PjW-0002wi-4c for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:56:02 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:55:51 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:55:51 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081207195551.GB34325@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:02 -0000 --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:18:08PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Does anyone know of any recent progress on a 64bit Nvidia Driver? > >there is mention of progress on this page > >http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=3D41545&page=3D24 >=20 > most freebsd users don't need 3D at all, or don't need super-high-speed= =20 > 3D. >=20 > so simply don't use nvidia/ati That strikes me as short-sighted, narrow-minded, and self-fulfilling. 1. As long as there is not as much support for 3D accelerated graphics with FreeBSD, people who need 3D accelerated graphics will tend to use other OSes more often. 2. The fact that you apparently have some kind of zealous hatred of the idea of FreeBSD on the desktop doesn't mean there are not legitimate uses for FreeBSD on the desktop -- uses that may even include things like 3D accelerated graphics. Hell, I get better performance for WoW using Wine than I do on MS Windows. 3. There are uses for 3D accelerated graphics that don't even include "desktop" use. Rendering farms come to mind. The more you say "Most FreeBSD users don't need 3D at all, so just use something else if you need 3D," and sweep the problem under the rug, the more likely we are to never have a FreeBSD that offers broad, stable support for 3D accelerated graphics. I would like it if you'd stop trying to convince people that my favorite OS shouldn't be improved. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Henry Spencer: "Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk8KkcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUHnACgiXnJlsTcsOnnI06JCAkN88iM xC0AoMWAx0mBtwHNGFrvhf5GuQx1nMjv =yFTs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 19:59:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC52106564A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vinny-mail-01+f.questions20081120@palaceofretention.ca) Received: from www.giovannetti.ca (www.giovannetti.ca [206.248.136.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1552F8FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:59:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vinny-mail-01+f.questions20081120@palaceofretention.ca) Received: from the.palaceofretention.ca (intgateway.palaceofretention.ca [10.10.10.42]) by www.giovannetti.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95E911438 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:02:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <493C2B37.7070700@palaceofretention.ca> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:59:51 -0500 From: Vinny User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080513) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions References: <48D45F98.6030504@palaceofretention.ca> In-Reply-To: <48D45F98.6030504@palaceofretention.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: geli authentication algo and newfs weirdness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:59:46 -0000 Vinny wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I've been reading up on geli and decided I wanted to > use data authentication. This involves the -a switch > on the geli init command. Here's what I've found: > > ===== No authentication (the disk size is correct @ 152G): > > the/root{143}~# geli init da1 > Enter new passphrase: > Reenter new passphrase: > the/root{144}~# geli attach da1 > Enter passphrase: > > the/root{147}~# newfs -N /dev/da1.eli > /dev/da1.eli: 152627.8MB (312581804 sectors) block size 16384, fragment > size 2048 > using 831 cylinder groups of 183.77MB, 11761 blks, 23552 inodes. > super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: > 160, 376512, 752864, ... > > the/root{148}~# newfs /dev/da1.eli > /dev/da1.eli: 152627.8MB (312581804 sectors) block size 16384, fragment > size 2048 > using 831 cylinder groups of 183.77MB, 11761 blks, 23552 inodes. > super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: > 160, 376512, 752864, 1129216, ... > > ===== With hmac/sha256 (or any other) authentication > (small disk size 76G) : > > the/root{156}~# geli init -a hmac/sha256 /dev/da1 > Enter new passphrase: > Reenter new passphrase: > the/root{157}~# > the/root{157}~# geli attach da1 > Enter passphrase: > > the/root{159}~# newfs -N /dev/da1.eli > /dev/da1.eli: 76313.9MB (156290900 sectors) block size 16384, fragment > size 2048 > using 416 cylinder groups of 183.77MB, 11761 blks, 23552 inodes. > super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: > 160, 376512, 752864, ... > > the/root{163}~# newfs /dev/da1.eli > /dev/da1.eli: 76313.9MB (156290900 sectors) block size 16384, fragment > size 2048 > using 416 cylinder groups of 183.77MB, 11761 blks, 23552 inodes. > newfs: can't read old UFS1 superblock: read error from block device: > Invalid argument > > the/root{110}~# geli dump -v da1 > Metadata on da1: > magic: GEOM::ELI > version: 3 > flags: 0x10 > ealgo: AES-CBC > keylen: 128 > aalgo: HMAC/SHA256 > provsize: 160041885696 > sectorsize: 512 > keys: 0x01 > iterations: 67988 > Salt: c708 > > ===== > > Anyone know what I've done wrong? Is data authentication working? > > Thanks! > Vinny > > The eventual solution came from Richard Farr. A few messages later and here are the results: I Wrote; > Hello Richard and Thanks! Sorry for my late reply. > > Richard Farr wrote: >> Hi Vinny, >> >> I had this problem as well when trying to initialize a disk with GELI >> and create slices/partitions/fs. >> >> I believe the problem is caused because the sectors of the newly >> created GELI device still have whatever data was in them from before >> the "geli init" command. Therefore, this data will not have the >> correct mac inside of the sector. It looks like newfs attempts to >> read from some of these unitialized sectors - causing a mac >> verification failure and a read error. In order to fix this, simply >> attach the geli device and then use dd to write to all sectors of the >> device to update them with a correct mac: >> >> dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/da1.eli bs=8M >> >> Once this is done newfs should work like a charm. > Indeed, the results follow, but I'd like to thank you > for the solution. I had habitually used dd on > the raw device before running geli init. That is, > > dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/da2 bs=1m > > Then I'd init it. Didn't occur to me that doing > that on the da2.eli device would solve the newfs > problem. > > The results: > > the/root{120}~# geli init -a hmac/sha256 /dev/da2 > Enter new passphrase: > Reenter new passphrase: > the/root{121}~# geli attach da2 > Enter passphrase: > > the/root{122}~# newfs -N /dev/da2.eli > /dev/da2.eli: 977.0MB (2000876 sectors) block size 16384, fragment size 2048 > using 6 cylinder groups of 183.77MB, 11761 blks, 23552 inodes. > super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: > 160, 376512, 752864, 1129216, 1505568, 1881920 > > the/root{123}~# newfs /dev/da2.eli > /dev/da2.eli: 977.0MB (2000876 sectors) block size 16384, fragment size 2048 > using 6 cylinder groups of 183.77MB, 11761 blks, 23552 inodes. > newfs: can't read old UFS1 superblock: read error from block device: > Invalid argument > > > > the/root{124}~# dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/da2.eli bs=1m > load: 1.15 cmd: dd 96350 [physwr] 0.00u 30.56s 9% 1668k > 747+0 records in > 746+0 records out > 782237696 bytes transferred in 322.992946 secs (2421841 bytes/sec) > dd: /dev/da2.eli: short write on character device > dd: /dev/da2.eli: end of device > 977+0 records in > 976+1 records out > 1024450048 bytes transferred in 422.242968 secs (2426210 bytes/sec) > > > the/root{125}~# newfs -N /dev/da2.eli > /dev/da2.eli: 977.0MB (2000876 sectors) block size 16384, fragment size 2048 > using 6 cylinder groups of 183.77MB, 11761 blks, 23552 inodes. > super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: > 160, 376512, 752864, 1129216, 1505568, 1881920 > > the/root{126}~# newfs /dev/da2.eli > /dev/da2.eli: 977.0MB (2000876 sectors) block size 16384, fragment size 2048 > using 6 cylinder groups of 183.77MB, 11761 blks, 23552 inodes. > super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: > 160, 376512, 752864, 1129216, 1505568, 1881920 > > Success! > > Vinny From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 20:14:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32FB1065670 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AF38FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd7ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.161]) by pd7mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2008 13:14:43 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=Dnxg35AoQxpMOnvM42QA:9 a=lFCDYOurM5aLbnNKxsIA:7 a=4_QdPPD74nWHhgM3_p9XZlxsqbIA:4 a=Vc2iBkjW5UEA:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd7ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2008 13:14:43 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7193A1701E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:14:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:14:31 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:14:44 -0000 On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:35:17 +0100 Uwe Laverenz wrote: > Who is "most freebsd users"? > i would think most are interested in running servers or routers or possible scientific applications or engaged in os study and appreciate its simplicity and consistency. i don't think it can compete with linux in terms of some of the bells and whistles that the desktop offers, but imho, a lot of those bells ring out of tune and the whistles result in sore lips. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 20:16:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C391065673 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:16:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A878FC19 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:16:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2008 15:16:41 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PHM09940; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2008 15:16:41 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18748.12071.922727.56603@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:16:39 -0500 To: "Paul B. Mahol" In-Reply-To: <3a142e750812071056l50e8f464oa5169b9f3d107902@mail.gmail.com> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200812072150.44361.subbsd@gmail.com> <3a142e750812071056l50e8f464oa5169b9f3d107902@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, subbsd@gmail.com Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:16:41 -0000 Paul B. Mahol writes: > Simple solution: > Pay them or someone to do it for you, or hack it yourself, or > wait for it little longer. Given nVidia has offered to write and maintain a driver ... if we're going this route, the correct solution is to pay someone to make the changes nVidia wants in the kernel. I don't understznd the vm system, but it's possible others might find those improvements useful as well. I'm not prepared to spec the project or organize the contributions; I _would_ probably be willing to make a donation. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 20:36:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F021065679 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:36:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eitanadlerlist@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A4A8FC20 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:36:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eitanadlerlist@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so863593rvf.43 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=1xGPHYilj5oZ2VTbLxYgYVr+6pizMxBHOwXHNNFQZVI=; b=H9IC8VlOWle4N4zUfPX4z2YpqxTaAqT4l8yWZFSsn6RpBDMGGZyNYTYWXQM3NuIHXq 6SSrvgXH+nAD/YQ/ABuVaUZ1T49jdt363Amk016FuqNww5r85g1ft28TIV8J3nLcWuFl wbwc+Egn+CIoV3u5nAq26wLPpAnbyXc0qkZhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; b=atqvx7bfBPOWoqwAf1OK8zNsWwzCiT8wRrxDfhNGlA9P4bG7VNuptraXBjRM3/mYBX P6nn5G4NNE8YI6JC8MlCcgd5FHYvYZ+lFv3Y3+MvQBSmY9KUVZWoh0eM6Ko7GlFC2Gov OecF/Se88hcSA7NCucxtrML+KqAG5Jvnmia2s= Received: by 10.142.157.9 with SMTP id f9mr1120906wfe.87.1228682186888; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from aargh.lan (ool-182fcc8b.dyn.optonline.net [24.47.204.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm139133wfc.2.2008.12.07.12.36.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:36:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493C33CA.2020200@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:36:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; ) Gecko Thunderbird Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4ad871310812070207k2136ea12p9bd6c9be2c0afd0f@mail.gmail.com> <20081207110743.GB50965@ei.bzerk.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=E9C2CCD1; url=pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:36:28 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael Powell wrote: > I've never figured out why people seem to always want to play with the > root account the way they do, such as the favorite "I wanna use bash > for root's shell"... Probably because most users are unaware of the harm that it causes. Perhaps someone should add a comment to the top of the passwd file (if there is such a thing as a comment in the file) saying: don't play with root. - -- Eitan Adler GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk8M8kACgkQtl8kq+nCzNGO5ACfS4dUG+79aswbQoVEFU2y/e7f mxwAn1kVeE8sISKXSYeYcJBkQ97UjH4J =1Kra -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 22:23:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47122106564A for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:23:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4478FC13 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:23:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L9S2W-0004kM-1B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:23:48 +0000 Received: from 78-1-137-24.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.137.24]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:23:48 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-1-137-24.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:23:48 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:23:39 +0100 Lines: 99 Message-ID: References: <0016e64ca7d690e38f045d45227d@google.com> <20081205163206.GC25258@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA9E0B960C3C7A403F328E93B" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-1-137-24.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) In-Reply-To: <20081205163206.GC25258@kokopelli.hydra> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Sender: news Subject: Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:23:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA9E0B960C3C7A403F328E93B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 12:20:49PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: >> af300wsm@gmail.com wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't even know if this has been done before, nor do I know for sur= e >>> if it's a sound comparison. Never the less, someone posted, in respon= se >>> to someone else here just a few days ago, some very nice benchmarks >>> provided by Kris ?Kenneway? I could be wrong on the last name, it jus= t >>> seems to me that's a last name I've seen with Kris frequently (my >>> apologies Kris if I'm wrong). Using the URL that the other poster, >>> posted, I poked around the other *.html files in that directory, but = did >>> not find any with FreeBSD pitted against windows. >>> >>> I'm just curious to see how it looks for my own sanity's sake. At wor= k, >>> someone got the grand idea that we should move to Windoze embedded (C= E >>> and XPe) and it's been quite discouraging I must say, though I must >>> admit, it's nice to actually know why Windows is ugly underneath. Fro= m a >>> programming perspective, it's just not simplistic. Anyway, I digress,= >>> I'm just curious to see how things compare to Windows on similar >>> benchmarks to what Kris provided if its ever been done. >> I've done some benchmarking of Windows file system IO (NTFS) using kno= wn >> tools like bonnie++, blogbench and postmark under cygwin and the resul= ts >> are abysmal. It might be due to cygwin, and it might not. I've used >> Windows Enterprise Server 2003. >> >> You'll probably not find any difference in computational (numeric) tas= ks >> and fairly bad results in tasks that do a lot of system work. >=20 > While the usefulness of such benchmarks may be suspect, I'd still be > interested in seeing your results. I have a large spreadsheet full of them, but here's a selection. The benchmark is bonnie++: Win2003 R2 NTFS RAID10-15 87 25 113 6425 11990 Ubuntu Server 7.10 ext3 RAID10-15 129 60 167 36114 72562 Ubuntu Server 7.10 JFS RAID10-15 131 64 167 6638 4855 Ubuntu Server 7.10 Reiser3 RAID10-15 130 60 159 30307 35101 Ubuntu Server 7.10 XFS RAID10-15 104 62 164 39 10 FreeBSD 7 UFS+SU RAID10-15 109 43 111 36551 99999 FreeBSD 7 UFS+GJ RAID10-15 50 28 103 52460 46604 FreeBSD 7 ZFS RAID10-15 95 63 180 40522 20260 The first three columns describe the system & RAID (e.g. RAID10-15 means RAID10 created from 4 15 kRPM drives), the next three are write/rewrite/read speed in MB/s, the last two are random files created/deleted. I hope the mailer doesn't destroy the formatting too much. This was on IBM ServeRAID 8k, 256 M BBU cache. (ZFS RAID was not used). FreeBSD UFS generally achieved low performance but it doesn't surprise me - I'd say its disk IO has a lot of performance problems right now. ZFS was very good, but not so much when compared to Linux file systems, especially for writing. I believe XFS was broken in that version of Linux so file creation & deletion was garbage - it's "normal" in more recent versions. File systems were left at default except noatime was turned on where available. One thing where Linux's ext3 really shines is concurrent IO - blogbench (not present in the above table) was really bad in all other OS & file system combination, so after all my results (I have > 1000 of them), I'm really hoping for an ext3/4 port to FreeBSD :) --------------enigA9E0B960C3C7A403F328E93B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk8TOsACgkQldnAQVacBcinpgCaA+ZxoVjxAXa799/HtNmkEbdR FZsAni8tP2wOBdMjbV12Dpc4DdawQ6J2 =gciA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA9E0B960C3C7A403F328E93B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 00:14:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B391065670 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darwinskernel@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46FC8FC0C for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darwinskernel@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so357463yxb.13 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:14:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer:from; bh=yu4PJ11aCZrMwuyNPUMNAoDoKSFFHNYembnkOkXKsuo=; b=gV1JUXbKzb9LCbenNkncrC1EVrrJwy13oco9kGbR+GIQbPixQrfJZyZ+gT7wxq1hYO /gQHK8ZLWDIxLSKukTu8sAFwY51ClQ1W1TW64OC3yE8AA569Itd3yNkC3VLJ50gCEKGM a++uP3ZpnhyKLe7oAFqLtiuPLTjvLyaIq/SD8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:x-mailer:from; b=XpvmRtQR5UfFO8ww8tpY3S5yE4cjOsmdV7V83PQZ2I0bnsBsUvtxNp57ZnFLcSV/ja y5dmPH9qRbLix7O372O2VrsqO9tAojKbbazcrTkc25mVxKbwHqnR1GgQnc47fWxMXjor EZ2rus6IwW2Eyak6EK8WDvkL/shhfniODD23g= Received: by 10.65.218.13 with SMTP id v13mr2246097qbq.69.1228693439768; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bas2-montreal45-1279781945.dsl.bell.ca (bas2-montreal45-1279781945.dsl.bell.ca [76.71.236.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k29sm6922578qba.7.2008.12.07.15.43.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:43:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <534160AF-246B-4FF1-8032-A68BA65B73C8@gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:43:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) From: Charles Darwin Subject: NFS UDP MTU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:14:54 -0000 Hello to you all, I have a question about sharing a directory over my subnet. I have users downloading up to 3-4 G per session and obviously speed is crucial. I am thinking of going with UDP (accuracy is not an issue here). What is the best way to go about this? Is NFS the right pick? If so should I use mount_nfs, ar there better utilities available? How about MTU; do I need to tweak the value for MTU on client machines? and if so what is the magic number? Thanks, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 00:41:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A63106564A; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE818FC1B; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:41:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB80fEOl001856; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:41:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB80fDT6001853; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:41:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:41:13 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081208013850.R1852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <0016e64ca7d690e38f045d45227d@google.com> <20081205163206.GC25258@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:41:21 -0000 > > Win2003 R2 NTFS RAID10-15 87 25 113 6425 11990 > Ubuntu Server 7.10 ext3 RAID10-15 129 60 167 36114 72562 > Ubuntu Server 7.10 JFS RAID10-15 131 64 167 6638 4855 > Ubuntu Server 7.10 Reiser3 RAID10-15 130 60 159 30307 35101 > Ubuntu Server 7.10 XFS RAID10-15 104 62 164 39 10 > FreeBSD 7 UFS+SU RAID10-15 109 43 111 36551 99999 > FreeBSD 7 UFS+GJ RAID10-15 50 28 103 52460 46604 > FreeBSD 7 ZFS RAID10-15 95 63 180 40522 20260 > > The first three columns describe the system & RAID (e.g. RAID10-15 means > RAID10 created from 4 15 kRPM drives), the next three are > write/rewrite/read speed in MB/s, the last two are random files > created/deleted. I hope the mailer doesn't destroy the formatting too could you compare raw device speed between linux and FreeBSD it looks like there is driver problem - low linear speed. > ZFS was very good, but not so much when compared to Linux file systems, ZFS in your benchmart is similar to UFS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 00:57:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99251065670 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:57:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7268FC12 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L9URK-0001AZ-6Z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:57:34 +0000 Received: from 78-1-137-24.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.137.24]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:57:34 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-1-137-24.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:57:34 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:57:18 +0100 Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <0016e64ca7d690e38f045d45227d@google.com> <20081205163206.GC25258@kokopelli.hydra> <20081208013850.R1852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9AAEFED6A71A3BDBA438E12E" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-1-137-24.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) In-Reply-To: <20081208013850.R1852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Sender: news Subject: Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:57:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9AAEFED6A71A3BDBA438E12E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> Win2003 R2 NTFS RAID10-15 87 25 113 6425 1199= 0 >> Ubuntu Server 7.10 ext3 RAID10-15 129 60 167 =20 >> 36114 72562 >> Ubuntu Server 7.10 JFS RAID10-15 131 64 167 6638 =20 >> 4855 >> Ubuntu Server 7.10 Reiser3 RAID10-15 130 60 159 =20 >> 30307 35101 >> Ubuntu Server 7.10 XFS RAID10-15 104 62 164 39 10= >> FreeBSD 7 UFS+SU RAID10-15 109 43 111 36551 =20 >> 99999 >> FreeBSD 7 UFS+GJ RAID10-15 50 28 103 52460 46= 604 >> FreeBSD 7 ZFS RAID10-15 95 63 180 40522 20260= >> >> The first three columns describe the system & RAID (e.g. RAID10-15 mea= ns >> RAID10 created from 4 15 kRPM drives), the next three are >> write/rewrite/read speed in MB/s, the last two are random files >> created/deleted. I hope the mailer doesn't destroy the formatting too >=20 > could you compare raw device speed between linux and FreeBSD No, I don't have the system now. > it looks like there is driver problem - low linear speed. I don't think so. It's *very* unlikely a driver can mess up linear speed - it's far more easier to mess up random IO. I don't know why it's so (it might be cause by FreeBSD's tiny MAXPHYS), but it's probably not the driver's fault. I've seen this behaviour with other controllers (including plain SATA). >> ZFS was very good, but not so much when compared to Linux file systems= , >=20 > ZFS in your benchmart is similar to UFS. Look at the read speed. --------------enig9AAEFED6A71A3BDBA438E12E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk8cPMACgkQldnAQVacBchj6wCfU4dw15e1HI7nTXumjbX42c55 H/sAoMJ8ezO7bYayVEiC8/BVvAd2TGMY =bwb1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9AAEFED6A71A3BDBA438E12E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 02:24:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98326106564A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:24:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jstrother9109@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1AE8FC14 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jstrother9109@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so362375eyi.7 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:24:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=vdbW2V7j6ppXwb8632mFUNmAR2gYMBfbSforv8oKoxE=; b=mxGg+9UMf/rvoDHFbvzkuBK3U3NGdpHjonVEE5fY63jMuihMutdH39/Oj1viYxEELi fHiXWtzrjbDKxYXdbQRw/HeRTa8ZN88l2IUcPAaoPFRNFiCtXmpVUUk1bT4kPoKCNtbM gKmYJVdOGGnNgygg+bXhqQ0ySOb/XNoi0Stvg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=bbbzi5LJpTw/9NI2J9jDZBhKwkzuA9ZnKmOx9Biai4XOA1R8wQDFHv32YYprO/NPft A0gaSsD9P5HLgtSFyWezogQGS/0r5ClEDYKn97rmZOtkn0a8QYsvRJR8N8PFV+VXLBTh 0+1vKTHFSl7o+6t8LpHzylqaP9HuF3Qzqe+ZU= Received: by 10.103.117.9 with SMTP id u9mr1040547mum.55.1228701573672; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.220.1 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:59:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4b2381fb0812071759x1abb562ax334846d6a59db9cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:59:33 -0800 From: "James Strother" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: boot hangs on thinkpad x40 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:24:47 -0000 Hi, I recently installed FreeBSD 7.1-Beta2 on my IBM thinkpad X40. Everything works fine while the system is connected to the dock, but when I boot with the dock disconnected the system hangs. With verbose logging enabled it appears to hang at either acpi_cmbat or acpi_acad (they appear to run in parallel and which prints the last error message appears somewhat random). I've found several threads related to FreeBSD having difficulty with thinkpads that have the second ata enabled, so I've disabled that but am still having the same difficulty. Has anyone seen this behavior before? Any thoughts on how to fix it? Thanks, Jim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 02:45:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D661065672; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591CC8FC1D; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:45:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB82jIeI065440; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 03:45:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB82jIQO065437; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 03:45:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 03:45:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081208034441.B65436@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <0016e64ca7d690e38f045d45227d@google.com> <20081205163206.GC25258@kokopelli.hydra> <20081208013850.R1852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:45:23 -0000 >>> ZFS was very good, but not so much when compared to Linux file systems, >> >> ZFS in your benchmart is similar to UFS. > > Look at the read speed. > > it's faster on that benchmark. but i think low MAXPHYS may be a problem. i changed it to 1MB everywhere. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 04:29:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8C11065672 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:29:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de (mo-p00-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905308FC1A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 X-RZG-AUTH: :LWgJfE6Id/4Sm/WkdV0gEbKL+/p/UjmosA/b4BPf1Ida/rA7aGe02Q== Received: from athena.laverenz.de ([77.20.0.69]) by post.strato.de (fruni mo15) (RZmta 17.20) with ESMTP id U02d3fkB80i8Lu for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:29:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by athena.laverenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90BF127BE2 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:27:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from athena.laverenz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (athena [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29757-04 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:27:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from t42.laverenz.de (vm7.laverenz.de [192.168.100.27]) by athena.laverenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FC3127BCA for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:27:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <493CA2D6.80308@laverenz.de> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:30:14 +0100 From: Uwe Laverenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081120) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0016e64ca7d690e38f045d45227d@google.com> <20081205163206.GC25258@kokopelli.hydra> <20081208013850.R1852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081208034441.B65436@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081208034441.B65436@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at laverenz.de Subject: Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:29:38 -0000 Wojciech Puchar schrieb: > it's faster on that benchmark. but i think low MAXPHYS may be a problem. > i changed it to 1MB everywhere. I've found that increasing vfs.read_max increases read performance quite a bit in bonnie++ benchmarks. sysctl vfs.read_max=32 Uwe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 04:42:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC65F1065673 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from espartano.mail@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8085E8FC27 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from espartano.mail@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1202067fgb.35 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:42:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=WHMKPYXfiloBkyZsCarDVFUWgAsk9Jp1btPz3+5ni6w=; b=RLSXKOuITGA1a747KyfFkRdorGHh+6XqjWsiFoEmfZLPZ7TJXvMbaXxT4wJFIywn7l 77je5bMF3HjrQKD2TA1EXrlCLJOCZUvUJDXcR4gLkhdyLpgpn70Mf2c6cOpwtaIl1Riu hAMdvSe6UCa1cqy5N4qNwtrUvYUECIP4cs+Ck= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dSTnNo734gGo6Wc9xP7NMeutz+xDlfOhs8pr4Z4JrRuZkMpRLn/caP/0pZBaoGRGxD WIXOZycp6qfSiSxlwAy5Sed3XCprlg0XQCCkpRAE3Cs8WvXVM2B/4Y4A+xdeBH9x+0cT NKh4aI5qFc0t3KArBkhryBWb+iZggaz32O/yU= Received: by 10.86.62.3 with SMTP id k3mr2375518fga.6.1228711373099; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.62.18 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:42:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:42:53 -0600 From: Espartano To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Driver Iwn in FreeBSD 7.1 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:42:55 -0000 Hi list. Someone know if the driver iwn will be included officially in FreeBSD 7.1 ? -- "Linux is for people who hate Windows, BSD is for people who love UNIX". "Social Engineer -> Because there is no patch for human stupidity" "The Unix Guru's View of Sex unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ; sleep." "Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is bad, it is better than nothing." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 06:55:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF851065670 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernercc@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8078FC12 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernercc@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so390064ywe.13 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:55:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l/em+kQa44V9ddAEajJrX//OTkWtjc713bmeZs/OdWM=; b=AMn/VO45ZmH/V3d5v3O1wcjOe/6DbTCLrV+TdwES8lq5ByqBGKhnhQUirHMG4KDE4h 5aR7TnU6FWXyoZ7Sgfe2nrojoZK+SFKavGR/dPr1G9Gf4oE3E8eYPBVvZaeWhOCIzf68 vrQW8i4vPxoXgDMDHgs91gDI4th/H4/tCjJY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; b=IuRm7L+m4UBpKBYKvkK0WOVVj5BBg9okeVLPzC49kZ75lyG3/fNrcpM10nQdasX4Vz UJdqsUXNC8uRdVcWc+eZ0YPhza34Yx6ofxwAxe/l8ew9H5tt+q2Hsoo5kuRcyz7UFELg hbWm927MY8zqO55Z3b/5ZCH9Rkv0U0BQFmngQ= Received: by 10.100.13.2 with SMTP id 2mr1284792anm.74.1228717834191; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? (cpe-70-112-179-136.austin.res.rr.com [70.112.179.136]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b37sm11017047ana.30.2008.12.07.22.30.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:30:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ferner Cilloniz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:30:34 +0000 Message-Id: <1228696234.4940.1.camel@mobiliare.Belkin> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD kernel module and sending udp packets X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:55:21 -0000 Hello everyone. I need help with documentation concerning how to send a udp or tcp packet from a kernel module. I have found this information for Linux but not for FreeBSD. Please help me. Thank you :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 07:23:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02576106564A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:23:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from espartano.mail@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87ABB8FC14 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from espartano.mail@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1254450fgb.35 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:23:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=G/rxOdGpethvHwW4weCnV36RaVUl5MATkGIRMlOEzbY=; b=T284buscy+VkMBTmW8kiX2sM6McUrtdMalSAeOWkNzJcskorQS9V7+iVlfLdzEmgsL cWnoboO3c3wmzUDFabfKeHcuE2RIswuIsxZM3+y3XD7KNFduRyAHJcVONtdgN7Ml1QD5 Toyk8bIyBnN4o8TB+y8vP0zREV8eJ6oKWMMPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Xju4JKF/KKIpTV5dJ18xQma0sW9CssePUOwbYAYMMo0DRamOa3acuJ0oQ60iHhDnR1 leJ6H4fE8buHtSBKdsznIsBrAW0vvfkzibtk01JjT33c73QxU8FtoqFUsxsROlr8CaBG wd2xR5IiMAtlHv04J5jkEuFR+2OkoEYctYhMQ= Received: by 10.86.100.19 with SMTP id x19mr2462710fgb.29.1228721002868; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.62.18 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:23:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:23:22 -0600 From: Espartano To: "Ferner Cilloniz" In-Reply-To: <1228696234.4940.1.camel@mobiliare.Belkin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1228696234.4940.1.camel@mobiliare.Belkin> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD kernel module and sending udp packets X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:23:25 -0000 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Ferner Cilloniz wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I need help with documentation concerning how to send a udp or tcp > packet from a kernel module. I have found this information for Linux but > not for FreeBSD. > > Please help me. > > Thank you :) I think that you should send this question to freebsd-net list (Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD) this is its url http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net -- "Linux is for people who hate Windows, BSD is for people who love UNIX". "Social Engineer -> Because there is no patch for human stupidity" "The Unix Guru's View of Sex unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ; sleep." "Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is bad, it is better than nothing." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 09:29:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333831065673 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:29:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC16C8FC18 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L9cQz-0007xy-6W for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:29:45 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:29:45 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:29:45 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:29:36 +0100 Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <493AFD81.6020705@polands.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig936B3BBBCB939AE70B11CDEB" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: <493AFD81.6020705@polands.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: Backup complete gmirror/gstripe/gjournal drives, how-to? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:29:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig936B3BBBCB939AE70B11CDEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I've got a 7.1-PRERELEASE i386 box with 4 SATA drives configured in a > RAID-10 using gmirror, gstripe, and gjournal. Normally, I use dump and= > rsync for periodic backups on this machine, but I suspect that the > gmirror/gstripe/gjournal information is not being backed up. >=20 > If my assumption is correct, how can I perform a "one-time" backup such= > that I could do a bare-metal restore? The essence of the question bein= g > I want to preserve not only the data, but also the > gmirror/gstripe/gjournal meta-data as well. >=20 > The only thought that comes to mind is to boot with a 7.1 live > filesystem CD-ROM and "dd" each drive, piping the results to my backup > machine. e.g., >=20 > host# dd if=3D/dev/ad4 bs=3D2m | gzip | nc backuphost 12345 > host# dd if=3D/dev/ad6 bs=3D2m | gzip | nc backuphost 12346 > host# dd if=3D/dev/ad10 bs=3D2m | gzip | nc backuphost 12347 > host# dd if=3D/dev/ad12 bs=3D2m | gzip | nc backuphost 12348 >=20 > Any thoughts, suggestions, caveats? I hope you understand the problems with this kind of backup procedures. Assuming that ad4,6,10,12 are the drives from which you created your RAID-10, everything is "backed up", including GEOM metadata. --------------enig936B3BBBCB939AE70B11CDEB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJPOkAldnAQVacBcgRAkSIAKCb4nuHGx1muWwzE6qPohQULNlYMACcCDwI IgyVy1uRbEQoj44s2t3zi5o= =NtVP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig936B3BBBCB939AE70B11CDEB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 11:38:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889E81065670 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3939E8FC13 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB8BcPrC070522; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:38:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB8BcN3P070519; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:38:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:38:23 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Uwe Laverenz In-Reply-To: <493CA2D6.80308@laverenz.de> Message-ID: <20081208123800.I70518@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <0016e64ca7d690e38f045d45227d@google.com> <20081205163206.GC25258@kokopelli.hydra> <20081208013850.R1852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081208034441.B65436@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <493CA2D6.80308@laverenz.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:38:34 -0000 >> changed it to 1MB everywhere. > > I've found that increasing vfs.read_max increases read performance quite a > bit in bonnie++ benchmarks. > > sysctl vfs.read_max=32 what exactly this option do? read_max 32 UFS blocks? MAXPHYS blocks? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 11:49:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7710F1065672 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276098FC0C for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L9ec9-0004TF-0M for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:49:25 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:49:25 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:49:25 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:49:19 +0100 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <0016e64ca7d690e38f045d45227d@google.com> <20081205163206.GC25258@kokopelli.hydra> <20081208013850.R1852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081208034441.B65436@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <493CA2D6.80308@laverenz.de> <20081208123800.I70518@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigCE5531CF646CEA306C6390E4" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: <20081208123800.I70518@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:49:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigCE5531CF646CEA306C6390E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> changed it to 1MB everywhere. >> >> I've found that increasing vfs.read_max increases read performance >> quite a bit in bonnie++ benchmarks. >> >> sysctl vfs.read_max=3D32 >=20 > what exactly this option do? >=20 > read_max 32 >=20 > UFS blocks? MAXPHYS blocks? UFS blocks. The default is 8 =3D=3D 128 kB =3D=3D MAXPHYS. --------------enigCE5531CF646CEA306C6390E4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJPQm/ldnAQVacBcgRAp85AKDwk70VCmBulzjQId3j7rNETOZ8WwCdHYJC UTCVCX59ZSgi/CYdMvT2eIs= =ZRcI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigCE5531CF646CEA306C6390E4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 11:55:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B013C1065670; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:55:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C278FC0C; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB8BtUbW083796; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:55:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20081208055153.02762670@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:55:21 -0600 To: Giorgos Keramidas From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <87tz9jzvy3.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20081203192259.0241ef88@mail.computinginnovations.com> <49374418.6060709@FreeBSD.org> <6.0.0.22.2.20081204062415.026b7c80@mail.computinginnovations.com> <87tz9jzvy3.fsf@kobe.laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081207-0, 12/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2-exp/8731/Sun Dec 7 22:31:15 2008 on betty.computinginnovations.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: mB8BtUbW083796 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Tim Judd , Kris Kennaway , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what script is whacking root's files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:55:47 -0000 At 11:33 AM 12/4/2008, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:30:13 -0600, Derek Ragona > wrote: > > /root is on /dev/da0s1a > > > > This particular server is running in a VM on a vmware esx 3.5 server. > > The server runs fine, but every so often the dot files disappear for > > root. I have not found the behavior to follow a reboot, but some period > > of time. Hence my suspicions it was a periodic script. > >Check your crontab jobs then. > > * Do you have any local changes to the system crontab in > `/etc/crontab'? If yes, what are those changes, and what do the > scripts or other commands they run look like? > > * Do you have a user-specific crontab file for `root' in > `/var/cron/tabs/root'? If yes what does it contain? > >_______________________________________________ Thank you to everyone who made great suggestions. I found the errant script, and it was running out of a cron entry to clean up old mailscanner files. It seems if the directories in the script didn't all exist, and a cd failed, it left the script running in /root. I have since corrected the script to test for the directories existence first. But this was a case of "can't see the forest for the trees" and I do appreciate all the help and suggestions. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 12:03:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2561065677 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kernel@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA128FC1F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kernel@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEF45096B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:03:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.10.10.27] (atlantis.webrz.net [10.10.10.27]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C63508B0 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:03:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <493D0D11.5010605@webrz.net> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:03:29 +0100 From: Jos Chrispijn Organization: Koudekerke (NL) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Subject: PHP 5 | pcre extention X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:03:31 -0000 Dear all, Can someone tell me why, as of php 5.2.7, pcre extension is distributed with the core php5 package, and not as a standalone module anymore? Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 12:10:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FE31065678 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:10:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B0D8FC24 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from w2003s01.double-l.local (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB8CAnrf017848 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:10:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:10:49 +0100 Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE33C@w2003s01.double-l.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PHP 5 | pcre extention Thread-Index: AclZLYXsITcQEUJVQ+iTiG9Mp4zVIAAAAtOAAAAYJAA= References: <493D0D11.5010605@webrz.net> From: "Johan Hendriks" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: RE: PHP 5 | pcre extention X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:10:52 -0000 >Dear all, >Can someone tell me why, as of php 5.2.7, pcre extension is distributed = >with the core php5 package, and not as a standalone module anymore? >Jos Chrispijn No idea but do not use 5.2.7 because of a security issue (see php.net) So stick to 5.2.6 till 5.2.8 is released. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: = 7-12-2008 16:56 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 12:12:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246371065675; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9696E8FC1B; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:12:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB8CCghM070607; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:12:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB8CCg2g070604; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:12:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:12:42 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081208131230.U70603@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <0016e64ca7d690e38f045d45227d@google.com> <20081205163206.GC25258@kokopelli.hydra> <20081208013850.R1852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081208034441.B65436@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <493CA2D6.80308@laverenz.de> <20081208123800.I70518@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:12:50 -0000 >> >> what exactly this option do? >> >> read_max 32 >> >> UFS blocks? MAXPHYS blocks? > > UFS blocks. > > The default is 8 == 128 kB == MAXPHYS. > > so you have to raise MAXPHYS too. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 12:21:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46694106564A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C138A8FC19 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so1176316mue.3 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:21:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=s30mLxtUktmUYB1y6go0pJXC5C4m69MljtLVdeC9SCI=; b=sodqXuGme3fHCfLUjV9PzkUsvaGPv3R1+WGqH9dwQboYm7Cr8vcE2TTPajTlv6f+Ry edvCutAL7DaBU2M6c9USsoxNCzzus2r86MjyKO01UqgMIDIRHEqPMDNtLPV7jJ0JYxdl eixa9mrpeFxGN+Z3qObwzgFuZY7XMWuqjzi8c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=IGLZJqhWyDASgn9+sm3B6aB2jHbQ6Jw76cFGjeXxtPyzX11aTDLOJf4D8j2qRUDiE7 uTVdETDUM/QE0Jw075Ol0qpDLZ5JujaO8pd/cFel1cRqwx0/o1CcsVT552avIUfjuWqB HkD8xzbh7+nCgaX6DOlNwPzAIDkPXUWLG/iL4= Received: by 10.181.206.7 with SMTP id i7mr1212456bkq.126.1228738886392; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.229.16 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:21:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9bbcef730812080421t13fcde13ha524863bff1e6d42@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:21:26 +0100 From: "Ivan Voras" Sender: ivoras@gmail.com To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081208131230.U70603@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0016e64ca7d690e38f045d45227d@google.com> <20081205163206.GC25258@kokopelli.hydra> <20081208013850.R1852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081208034441.B65436@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <493CA2D6.80308@laverenz.de> <20081208123800.I70518@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081208131230.U70603@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 48950e88760a1bdd Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Performance benchmarks pitting FreeBSD against Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:21:28 -0000 2008/12/8 Wojciech Puchar : >>> >>> what exactly this option do? >>> >>> read_max 32 >>> >>> UFS blocks? MAXPHYS blocks? >> >> UFS blocks. >> >> The default is 8 == 128 kB == MAXPHYS. >> >> > so you have to raise MAXPHYS too. No, it's orthogonal to MAXPHYS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 13:05:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B02106564A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580D18FC12 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so549857nfh.33 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:05:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; bh=oaZXrV/M+16op6BXwgEucIs4cPqNLWXpXw8R5elncEs=; b=T1CEm9GEz9wiBMWjPWpAiu9hUtF7iuWl3x3oFF2xjs2NQ7kyXzrL7++dlFZuBdjTEz DzqjXgU/qKLfZ0UK6BJMGwNSwZ0DItuCWXlA6p86NG8hv0m4J5zN4Uzk6zLSsFS8sXkU yh1X96SdhGPcXQRbhTjJiP3o8FZvsz2ku+E5o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=gGQjaLfcbl+XEbRAPjY+2rhTX2utd56ynx+SyyYRfNHSeqUVfayyHP0hGk7BC0EYcV 2nnj6Huino4cD4u5DgQFNXAJmb5TMb8nZ/V2GPdRSgaDHtKfYuOIO8j9UlkUJSTWS1Ck SU5eTd7dl6547NVXZotaTdg2pDYAZPlunxMog= Received: by 10.210.65.17 with SMTP id n17mr3581967eba.76.1228741531148; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from oleg.net.nevosoft.ru ([195.182.128.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm3859551eyc.38.2008.12.08.05.05.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:05:30 -0800 (PST) From: Ole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:05:21 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (FreeBSD/7.1-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.1.1; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812081605.22371.subbsd@gmail.com> Subject: source data for host CPU temperature X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: subbsd@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:05:32 -0000 Hello maillist, Whether there is a unique, a general method of fetching of statistics on CPU temperature in FreeBSD. The general method - is available in view of excluding vendor-specific healh-agents with their vendors lock-in API. As i know some way for this: smb(4) (for old PC?), coretemp(4) (this is for new and only Intel hardware ?) and ipmi(4) if available, so each machine customize for temp statistics throuch individual setup for source data? And it is necessary to prefer what data if it is some given. For example 2 commands on host give diffrent result: (With 'ipmitool sensor |grep -i temp) -- Ambient Temp | 26.000 | degrees C | ok | na | na | na | 32.000 | na | 39.000 CPU 1 Temp | na | degrees C | na | na | 74.000 | -128.000 | -48.000 | na | na CPU 2 Temp | na | degrees C | na | na | 74.000 | -128.000 | -48.000 | na | na CPU 1 OverTemp | 0x0 | discrete | 0x0080| na | na | na | na | na | na CPU 2 OverTemp | 0x0 | discrete | 0x0080| na | na | na | na | na | na -- << i get 74C on my CPU1 and CPU2 (with coretemp(4) i get individual per-core sensor) % sysctl -a |egrep -E "cpu\.[0-9]+\.temp" dev.cpu.0.temperature: 38 dev.cpu.1.temperature: 45 dev.cpu.2.temperature: 42 dev.cpu.3.temperature: 69 ipmi/coretemp facility is fetching information for CPU from diffrent sensors? And how much correctly with coretemp(4) to receive the general temperature (one number as in Bios) if average(sum(core temperature)) / (num of core) ? Thanks in advance! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 13:30:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A957106564A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FA18FC08 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:30:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so427868yxb.13 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:30:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=XK1EKBnhof0Z04rw2dt9ZcvkEFZL5NqFxA4JJyCECro=; b=CrpTP/werWrgoMvLa9hFnqjxcsmFjaBUlnaQ+v4O98VJFAngZimQsHClHagXKHzl2y jP68fNTkorc0ROR4Vq/m062SJrAQyfX9wCnNHGWH6j8PE9kRuQ1LIK9yMcOvrWW65FZ+ YodozRWlVIjRj3kvYXtn9YkXVG/26z1dr87t0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=m1Od2nWz1yRRfnQRR0g9Wfll53qujNjxkE0BNH53Mb8FZEYY5qJjeah/x0tSpIO1mp YzzhSYyc/NBtfaMDuC/DVPS9WpOOggLsMQWM1M+AGMNVDhpXLVvurz1gnVG6g4Xh9Jci BxG0btMfCeVDPjZPPPpJ1anm9OF3jdkT84BnQ= Received: by 10.151.158.2 with SMTP id k2mr7924202ybo.175.1228743058293; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?99.206.44.91? (99-206-44-91.pools.spcsdns.net [99.206.44.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z26sm6708834ele.0.2008.12.08.05.30.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:30:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493D218E.4010802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:30:54 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207141737.GA15666@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20081207141737.GA15666@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:30:59 -0000 J > On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 11:04:00AM +0100, Redd Vinylene wrote: > > >> On this dedicated box here I made the mistake of adding a comment to >> root's entry in my password file: >> >> root:*:0:0::/root:/bin/sh # What I thought would be a harmless comment. >> >> Now I can't su to root. And my ISP is closed on Sundays. Is there any >> way I can fix this on my own? >> > does remote machine have ipmi? > > > >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 13:38:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1221065670 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:38:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@orscheln.com) Received: from PROXY2.orscheln.com (proxy2.orscheln.com [216.106.0.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FA38FC14 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:38:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@orscheln.com) Received: from neuman.orscheln.oi.local (neuman.orscheln.com [10.20.10.160]) by PROXY2.orscheln.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB8DbwXx083740; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:37:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@orscheln.com) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:37:57 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPFilter section in Handbook needs updating Thread-Index: AclYGJrSccr2d+XvRZmoINi9/mzr6gBICWRA References: <661217.76488.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <493B3D77.6080404@a1poweruser.com> From: "Dean Weimer" To: "Fbsd1" , Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: IPFilter section in Handbook needs updating X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:38:01 -0000 First, thanks for your work on writing the section in the handbook, its = greatly appreciated. The updates about where ipmon logging to local0 = looks good. Not sure whether or not you want to change the bumping the = syslogd using the ps and kill commands as /etc/rc.d/syslogd reload does = work, and would be easier for someone that is just learning how = everything works. Thanks, =A0=A0=A0=A0 Dean Weimer =A0=A0=A0=A0 Network Administrator =A0=A0=A0=A0 Orscheln Management Co -----Original Message----- From: Fbsd1 [mailto:fbsd1@a1poweruser.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:05 PM To: gwg7webbcom@yahoo.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Dean Weimer Subject: Re: IPFilter section in Handbook needs updating G magicman wrote: > And incomplete yes i agree that the doc does need to be updated and = examples (more) need to be added. >=20 > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Dean Weimer wrote: > From: Dean Weimer > Subject: IPFilter section in Handbook needs updating > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:07 AM >=20 > I was just setting up ipfilter and ipmon on a FreeBSD 7 server, and = noticed that > the ipmon and syslog information under the ipfilter section of the = handbook is > incorrect. >=20 > The section reads: > -----snip----- > 31.5.7 IPMON Logging > Syslogd uses its own special method for segregation of log data. It = uses > special groupings called "facility" and "level". IPMON in > -Ds mode uses security as the "facility" name. All IPMON logged data > goes to security The following levels can be used to further segregate = the > logged data if desired: > LOG_INFO - packets logged using the "log" keyword as the action > rather than pass or block. > LOG_NOTICE - packets logged which are also passed > LOG_WARNING - packets logged which are also blocked > LOG_ERR - packets which have been logged and which can be considered = short > To setup IPFILTER to log all data to /var/log/ipfilter.log, you will = need to > create the file. The following command will do that: > # touch /var/log/ipfilter.log > The syslog function is controlled by definition statements in the > /etc/syslog.conf file. The syslog.conf file offers considerable = flexibility in > how syslog will deal with system messages issued by software = applications like > IPF. > Add the following statement to /etc/syslog.conf: > security.* /var/log/ipfilter.log > The security.* means to write all the logged messages to the coded = file > location. > To activate the changes to /etc/syslog.conf you can reboot or bump the = syslog > task into re-reading /etc/syslog.conf by running /etc/rc.d/syslogd = reload > Do not forget to change /etc/newsyslog.conf to rotate the new log you = just > created above. > -----snip----- >=20 > In trying to configure this I found that ipmon -Dsa doesn't log to > security, but logs to local0 instead. Reading the man page for ipmon = does in > fact state this. However it also list the -L option as being able to = change > this default behavior, I tried ipmon -DSa -L security, it excepts = this, but > doesn't actually change the logging to use security. It still only = outputs > to the syslog using local0, I also tried using ipmon -DSa -L local7 as = well, > still outputs to local0. It was easy enough to modify my syslog.conf = to output > the local0.* as well as security.* to the /var/log/security file. = However it > would be greatly appreciated if someone that actually understands = what's > going on here could get this info updated. It would have saved me = some time, as > well as I am sure some other people in the future. Of course it's = always > possible I am missing something simple here that is causing this = discrepancy, > please do inform me if I did. It's probably worth mentioning that I = am > starting ipmon using the rc.conf file with ipmon_enable=3D"YES" and > ipmon_flags=3D"-DSa", just in case the /etc/rc.d/ipmon script actually > changes the default behavior of ipmon in some way, though I didn't see > anything in it that should. And ps wwaux | grep ipmon does display = the process > running with the flags exactly as stated on the ipmon_flags line of = the > /etc/rc.conf file. >=20 > Thanks, > Dean Weimer > Network Administrator > Orscheln Management Co >=20 I wrote that whole firewall handbook section. How is the following for=20 complete replacement of the 31.5.7 IPMON Logging section? 31.5.7 IPMON Logging Syslogd uses its own special method for segregation of log data. It uses = special groupings called 'facility' and 'level'. IPMON in -Ds mode uses=20 local0 as the 'facility' name. All IPMON logged data goes to local0. You have to manually configure the /etc/syslog.conf file by adding the=20 statements to direct the Local0 'facility' to the log file name=20 recording the log records. FBSD keeps all of its syslog files in=20 /var/log/ directory. First allocate the new named log file for the IPFMON logged data. touch /var/log/ipfilter.log # will allocate the file The syslog function is controlled by definition statements in the=20 /etc/syslog.conf file. You will have to edit the /etc/syslog.conf file. Add the following statement to syslog.conf: local0.* /var/log/ipfilter.log The local0.* means to write all the logged messages to the coded file=20 location. To activate the changes to /etc/syslog.conf you can reboot or bump the=20 syslog task into re-reading /etc/syslog.conf by kill -HUP pid. You get=20 the pid (IE: process number) by listing the tasks with the ps ax=20 command. Find syslog in the display and the pid number is the number in=20 the left column. Don't forget to change /etc/newsyslog.conf to rotate the new named=20 IPFILTER log you just created above. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 13:43:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C80D106564A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196BC8FC1B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:43:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so450753eyi.7 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.126.18 with SMTP id y18mr3350808ebc.33.1228743789740; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (host-82-44-127-245.static.telewest.net [82.44.127.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t12sm4806515gvd.25.2008.12.08.05.43.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:43:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:43:08 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:43:11 -0000 I'm just wondering if it is possible to install FreeBSD from inside a bootstrap operating system such as a knoppix or ubuntu preinstall? Reason I'm asking is that my boss is asking about getting another commodity server using a provider that doesn't offer freebsd. We do get KVM over IP however, and I assume that really clever people might know how to handle this sort of thing if they have console access. -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 13:47:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C041065673 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7AE8FC13 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:47:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB8DlfNI071522; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:47:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB8DleA5071519; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:47:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:47:38 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robin Becker In-Reply-To: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081208144513.O71518@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:47:50 -0000 > > Reason I'm asking is that my boss is asking about getting another commodity > server using a provider that doesn't offer freebsd. We do get KVM over IP > however, and I assume that really clever people might know how to handle this > sort of thing if they have console access. stupid/strange solution: run qemu under linux giving FReeBSD iso as cdrom, and linux swap partition as disk (disable swap on linux temporarily), install it WITHOUT making slices and labels (manually) - minimum install, make sure whole "disk" (actually linux swap partition) is bootable, then exit qemu, run linux fdisk to set swap partition as bootable instead of linux root, reboot. you will get FreeBSD working, repartition everything else, optionally copy FreeBSD to partition that has to be /, reboot, ready From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 13:57:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3F81065670 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E588FC1B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mB8DukcU096704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:56:47 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <493D27D6.6000107@unsane.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:57:42 +0000 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robin Becker References: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:57:45 -0000 Robin Becker wrote: > I'm just wondering if it is possible to install FreeBSD from inside a > bootstrap operating system such as a knoppix or ubuntu preinstall? > > Reason I'm asking is that my boss is asking about getting another > commodity server using a provider that doesn't offer freebsd. We do > get KVM over IP however, and I assume that really clever people might > know how to handle this sort of thing if they have console access. http://www.daemonology.net/depenguinator/ Shouldn't need console access but i've never tried it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 14:04:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3941065672 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4530A8FC13 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so455108eyi.7 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.133.2 with SMTP id g2mr1062710ebd.101.1228745040660; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (host-82-44-127-245.static.telewest.net [82.44.127.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f13sm12754031gvd.20.2008.12.08.06.03.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493D294F.7070300@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:03:59 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <20081208144513.O71518@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081208144513.O71518@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:04:02 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> Reason I'm asking is that my boss is asking about getting another >> commodity server using a provider that doesn't offer freebsd. We do >> get KVM over IP however, and I assume that really clever people might >> know how to handle this sort of thing if they have console access. > > stupid/strange solution: run qemu under linux giving FReeBSD iso as > cdrom, and linux swap partition as disk (disable swap on linux > temporarily), install it WITHOUT making slices and labels (manually) - > minimum install, make sure whole "disk" (actually linux swap partition) > is bootable, then exit qemu, run linux fdisk to set swap partition as > bootable instead of linux root, reboot. > > you will get FreeBSD working, repartition everything else, optionally > copy FreeBSD to partition that has to be /, reboot, ready > That almost sounds doable :) not sure my ubuntu/qemu skills are really there yet. Can you run qemu in a tty/console? -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 14:04:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628C61065676 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michal@hanu.la) Received: from mail.7f000001.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1ba0:2a0::42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23F38FC16 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michal@hanu.la) Received: from mail.7f000001.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.7f000001.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EF36D721 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:04:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from roo.7f000001.org (office.digmia.com [92.60.50.242]) (Authenticated sender: f@7f000001.org) by mail.7f000001.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2FC376D71F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:04:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:04:03 +0100 From: Michal Hanula To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081208140403.GD52317@roo.7f000001.org> References: <1226111879.1220.9.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1226111879.1220.9.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Jabber-ID: f@7f000001.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: Subject: Re: Messenger servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:04:07 -0000 --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 12:37:58PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > I haven't checked the list for around a week- I'm still catching up! :) >=20 > I'm trying to sort out a messenger server for work purposes, and > although I've found a few I'm hoping some input from sysadmins who have > deployed these might help our decision. I've found Gale, Jabberd2, > OpenFire, and SJECS (Sun Java Communication Suite). >=20 > Our requirements are for collaboration (multiple users simultaneous > chatting together- with audio/video if possible), realtime audio/video > (with a preference for audio; ergo video can go to the dogs to maintain > audio quality, although a means to adjust this- on the fly if possible- > would be useful), and chat. >=20 > Tall order, eh? Ease of admin would be good, but my main concern is > stability and reliability (I'll make up a software solution to > administrate if needs be). Take a look at mingle (MUC + jingle) --- this should not depend on the xmpp server you use. As for that, I recommend ejabberd 2 (not yet in ports). [mf] --=20 Speak softly and carry a big lion --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk9KVMACgkQBvdjexHY2zQMVQCgis8+qFLS2Z2iCzD+iAjyJsXQ cfIAn1zqliQhoAwK6HXepK9TOFmAwV6G =F8ft -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 14:07:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F721065678 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:07:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642018FC16 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB8E73Ik071592; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:07:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mB8E73WP071589; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:07:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:07:02 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robin Becker In-Reply-To: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081208150518.O71572@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:07:14 -0000 another way - but requires more linux knowledge ( i don't have it) 1) change linux to load to ramdisk - enough of it for basic system 2) prepare your bootable hard disk image at home, same amount of sectors as target. 3) most of it will be empty, should be gzippable to <200MB (or even 100) 4) fetch in into ramdisk of running linux 5) decompres with zcat to disk. 6) reboot. On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Robin Becker wrote: > I'm just wondering if it is possible to install FreeBSD from inside a > bootstrap operating system such as a knoppix or ubuntu preinstall? > > Reason I'm asking is that my boss is asking about getting another commodity > server using a provider that doesn't offer freebsd. We do get KVM over IP > however, and I assume that really clever people might know how to handle this > sort of thing if they have console access. > -- > Robin Becker > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 14:17:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9547D106564A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Received: from w3projmail.ze.tum.de (w3projmail.ze.tum.de [129.187.39.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2348FC12 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Received: from etustar.ze.tum.de (estartu@etustar.ze.tum.de [129.187.39.96]) by phobos.ze.tum.de (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB8EHcul060199; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:17:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Message-ID: <493D2C7C.80806@ze.tum.de> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:17:32 +0100 From: Gerhard Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robin Becker , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=4000A915 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigD8912AA320721E9065747B30" Cc: Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:17:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigD8912AA320721E9065747B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robin Becker schrieb: > I'm just wondering if it is possible to install FreeBSD from inside a > bootstrap operating system such as a knoppix or ubuntu preinstall? >=20 > Reason I'm asking is that my boss is asking about getting another > commodity server using a provider that doesn't offer freebsd. We do get= > KVM over IP however, and I assume that really clever people might know > how to handle this sort of thing if they have console access. Only KVM or do you have access to a Remote console (IPMI). You can try to boot FreeBSD from a Network but than you need access to th= e Network from a running server to setup a TFTP and BOOTP Server. Much more= easy would it be just to let the Computer Center guys insert a FreeBSD CD= into the CD Drive. Thats how I install FreeBSD in remote Computer Centers= =2E It Might work I you generate a Harddiskimage and use your Bootstrap OS to= get it from net and write it to the Harddisk at the server. I never done this but theoretically it should work. As I said, the best way to du the install is to have a CD inserted and after install simply change the bootsequence in BIOS. Regards Estartu --=20 ------------------------------------------------- Gerhard Schmidt | E-Mail: schmidt@ze.tum.de TU-M=FCnchen | WWW & Online Services | Tel: 089/289-25270 | Fax: 089/289-25257 | PGP-Publickey auf Anfrage --------------enigD8912AA320721E9065747B30 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBST0sf9l1K6RAAKkVAQrvZgf/UIhuv6HtGGuHoNDOuA9UVYr12UKg1GfC KidrgNgedQa+X5oTX5UTwz2c5dA6gDC55dDKcKdFky3EVGsZ7XwwYs+ebW6Aetzl QnH25pax0ghTLoT3O98ViIC8gjwerfgSSmR8cXu5Pqs9vV+UwaWHBDTCUaABG/I2 95QCyEvpt6QYjkDs6s20lGyDNFu0KChz19G9Ae9Vg3tnp1JXmGEaK0A6Iq+9FMq7 KPQ04K54ydaMQ4bJF6oGvPSmm6CUOLGJ67BCXIHbcsInSu4vWTaeUK9en8hgNXAY ZBYxZYPZKsyVTZRc7UYgUL4psKaJDJgTiDPNJ51v1KNV+PFbUpH0dQ== =lMhm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigD8912AA320721E9065747B30-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 14:20:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FD31065670 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Received: from w3projmail.ze.tum.de (w3projmail.ze.tum.de [129.187.39.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6028FC16 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Received: from etustar.ze.tum.de (estartu@etustar.ze.tum.de [129.187.39.96]) by phobos.ze.tum.de (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB8Dwo5Z060099 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:58:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Message-ID: <493D2810.8020006@ze.tum.de> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:58:40 +0100 From: Gerhard Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=4000A915 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5171B601F7F0570309593D15" Subject: MTP Bases =?iso-8859-15?q?MP=A7-Player_and_FreeBSD_HowTO?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:20:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5171B601F7F0570309593D15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, i've got a SanDisk Sansa e280 MP3 Player. When I connect it to FreeBSD I see the 8G of the Player as an umass. But how do i get the MTP Part of th= e Player working. I tried to use amarok and mtpfs but the mp3 Player isn't found. Is there a way to get the MTP Part of the Player working under FreeBSD. Bye Estartu --=20 ------------------------------------------------- Gerhard Schmidt | E-Mail: schmidt@ze.tum.de TU-M=FCnchen | WWW & Online Services | Tel: 089/289-25270 | Fax: 089/289-25257 | PGP-Publickey auf Anfrage --------------enig5171B601F7F0570309593D15 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBST0oF9l1K6RAAKkVAQqW8Af/Y09P8lehQe/hULGc40VSXDmrOMY72fvt tSxpByw/XC5LoaAFdk5j5z2Xc4uyJ+PUvNBtCB9Tqa8eo5LqkgOrbCGXwQUneObB o692b3GikDrbiSxbxm5wHO2ne/yvhSUKlcDHPYY9QdefBzE0I4Z06nwlfWIAAzpw LVq8WbQEMlSaE+mbONHDRhmhWugb05Q/plHUSJxo621dRiYcnFvdKi33sQBcoEbq ZCLy6MJQ5ZON/+z4o2cteVl+y28RW5iyhQbt17rjX2eRrrjOyIqfp16RmLdPxkvk 4OXWfvKdVAmvWdoTPe55S+jvN6WS2R0PioQjsd/9WwzC/cf2m/f9BA== =ujFS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig5171B601F7F0570309593D15-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 14:40:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F102E1065672 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:40:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from betty.computinginnovations.com (mail.computinginnovations.com [64.81.227.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C998FC1F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:40:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Received: from p28.computinginnovations.com (dhcp-10-20-30-100.computinginnovations.com [10.20.30.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by betty.computinginnovations.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB8Ee0j7095423; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:40:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from derek@computinginnovations.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20081208083827.027d5d90@mail.computinginnovations.com> X-Sender: derek@mail.computinginnovations.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:39:51 -0600 To: Gerhard Schmidt , Robin Becker , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Derek Ragona In-Reply-To: <493D2C7C.80806@ze.tum.de> References: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <493D2C7C.80806@ze.tum.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081208-0, 12/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2-exp/8731/Sun Dec 7 22:31:15 2008 on betty.computinginnovations.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: mB8Ee0j7095423 X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ComputingInnovations-MailScanner-From: derek@computinginnovations.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:40:11 -0000 At 08:17 AM 12/8/2008, Gerhard Schmidt wrote: >Robin Becker schrieb: > > I'm just wondering if it is possible to install FreeBSD from inside a > > bootstrap operating system such as a knoppix or ubuntu preinstall? > > > > Reason I'm asking is that my boss is asking about getting another > > commodity server using a provider that doesn't offer freebsd. We do get > > KVM over IP however, and I assume that really clever people might know > > how to handle this sort of thing if they have console access. > >Only KVM or do you have access to a Remote console (IPMI). > >You can try to boot FreeBSD from a Network but than you need access to the >Network from a running server to setup a TFTP and BOOTP Server. Much more >easy would it be just to let the Computer Center guys insert a FreeBSD CD >into the CD Drive. Thats how I install FreeBSD in remote Computer Centers. > >It Might work I you generate a Harddiskimage and use your Bootstrap OS to >get it from net and write it to the Harddisk at the server. I never done >this but theoretically it should work. > >As I said, the best way to du the install is to have a CD inserted and >after install simply change the bootsequence in BIOS. > >Regards > Estartu > > >-- Another option is install FreeBSD under VMWare ESX server. The ESX server is now free. Loading FreeBSD is straightforward using the ISO cdrom. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 15:34:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F7C1065679 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2248FC12 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA649AFC1C6; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:34:07 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, gwg7webbcom@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:33:58 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <198267.54082.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <198267.54082.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812081634.01296.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Subject: Re: IPFW Firewall Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:34:09 -0000 On Friday 05 December 2008 20:29:40 G magicman wrote: > I have tried this it did not work and the Co-Lo people are convinced that > sshd and sendmail need to be run out of inetd.conf for this to work. That wouldn't explain sshd being linked against libwrap. Did you comment: # The rules here work on a "First match wins" basis. ALL : ALL : allow > As i said i am used to BSDI=A0 and the Finnish SSHD Hehe, I remember having libwrap as backup, cause the firewall's=20 pre-in/pre-out/in/out concepts were confusing at times. Anyway, I'll give you a pf example, maybe someone with ipfw skills will pic= k=20 it up and translate, or you can kldload pf and use that ;) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D openports=3D"{ 11, 21, 22, 23, 25, 37, 42, 43, 53, 63, 69, 70, 80, 101, 109= ,=20 110, 115, 119, 123, 143, 443, 4321, 50001 }" table persist { 209.131.0.0/16, 66.65.0.0/16, 71.173.96.0/19, \ 71.173.128.0/17, blabla } table persist file "/etc/pf/spammers.table" ext_if=3D"bge0" # External interface # Rules, last match wins block in all pass in from to any pass in on $ext_if proto {tcp, udp} from any to ($ext_if) port $openports block in on $ext_if from to any port 25 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The file /etc/pf/spammers.table can then be filled with one CIDR per line,= =20 easy to maintain/fail and possible to have the file maintained by grok or=20 alike automation scripts. The file is only read on start up, but the table= =20 can be maintained 'live', using pfctl -T commands. Hope this helps. =2D-=20 Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 15:49:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126431065670; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA848FC0C; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:49:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from haran.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081208153350.GKGI17654.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@haran.polands.org>; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:33:50 +0000 Received: from ammon.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by haran.polands.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB8FXnr5002446; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:33:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ammon.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ammon.polands.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB8FXnvE057829; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:33:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@ammon.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ammon.polands.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mB8FXmT9057828; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:33:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:33:48 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: Ivan Voras Message-ID: <20081208153348.GA57784@polands.org> References: <493AFD81.6020705@polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backup complete gmirror/gstripe/gjournal drives, how-to? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:49:08 -0000 On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 10:29:36AM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > Doug Poland wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've got a 7.1-PRERELEASE i386 box with 4 SATA drives configured in > > a RAID-10 using gmirror, gstripe, and gjournal. Normally, I use > > dump and rsync for periodic backups on this machine, but I suspect > > that the gmirror/gstripe/gjournal information is not being backed > > up. > > > > If my assumption is correct, how can I perform a "one-time" backup > > such that I could do a bare-metal restore? The essence of the > > question being I want to preserve not only the data, but also the > > gmirror/gstripe/gjournal meta-data as well. > > > > The only thought that comes to mind is to boot with a 7.1 live > > filesystem CD-ROM and "dd" each drive, piping the results to my > > backup machine. e.g., > > > > host# dd if=/dev/ad4 bs=2m | gzip | nc backuphost 12345 > > host# dd if=/dev/ad6 bs=2m | gzip | nc backuphost 12346 > > host# dd if=/dev/ad10 bs=2m | gzip | nc backuphost 12347 > > host# dd if=/dev/ad12 bs=2m | gzip | nc backuphost 12348 > > > > Any thoughts, suggestions, caveats? > > I hope you understand the problems with this kind of backup > procedures. > Actually, I don't, that's why I'm posting :) My intent is to have a backup that can be used to completely restore the machine, including all the GEOM metadata. My suggestion of using dd is the only thing I could come up with so far. So I'm asking, is there a better way? > Assuming that ad4,6,10,12 are the drives from which you created your > RAID-10, everything is "backed up", including GEOM metadata. > Yes, those are the names of my drives. Thank you for your time, -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 15:57:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DCF1065672 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:57:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glavoie@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3D68FC14 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glavoie@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1227992rvf.43 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:57:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=SG0OxIkOWSrXyxispIejM111tV+6mv0D5cvGU6NdsU4=; b=fLOtudKoumHuJ3jWwh2UiXkZPsnL8+JhrAcP39o3R2p0GTGFIdBkplWKZkgufHkYk3 NIPoOhJMnzHN3PBQLqmRRQLvnrgVp7a6T/YXe5K3rJzy+Mv/sHheri/sh5CYhwzZAd/K 4fJDwrTXLy+JLoUsirxAZhGQbEkcINcWVpIAU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ggIuMLFdljepFN/kd2ZJF5BvAf09CL1p6DEiajWTLee/AGSyrZnUqQ9wbGKI01Bqw9 MFUyTJ/Wmz6umUlgnTiwLe3q/t8i8izOJGdD530AZFNPpNjQ9+8xs5ih7T5ChRxGbO8B vhWNpsZoFeDbavDBivD7Bup64DwMiZ8lZ/lfs= Received: by 10.140.170.12 with SMTP id s12mr1722699rve.67.1228751843313; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.168.6 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:57:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:57:23 -0500 From: "Gabriel Lavoie" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: freebsd-updates problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:57:24 -0000 Hello, since the update to 7.0-RELEASE-p6 is available, I have some problems with freebsd-updates. It tells me that /boot/kernel/linker.hints needs to be updated and if I install the update, it will tell me again and again that it needs to be updated. [root@headless /usr/local/www/apache22/data]# freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 7.0-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. The following files will be updated as part of updating to 7.0-RELEASE-p6: /boot/kernel/linker.hints [root@headless /usr/local/www/apache22/data]# uname -a FreeBSD headless.mutehq.net 7.0-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p6 #0: Mon Nov 24 10:59:10 UTC 2008 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Any idea of what might be going on? Thanks! Gabriel -- Gabriel Lavoie glavoie@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 16:22:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B901065670 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:22:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27A38FC26 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:22:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so2697880fkk.11 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:22:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=sqIHf+7TIQJ5CR5/TpLXECsJ4av0WPzyGovhVS2xsPY=; b=ERjWBSJqH63Qiis5ZqKWzLtuYtOgpIeKyJuJH+exQgVBSNFqZQgvyJ3wk2S7neTVxJ wb7tfAyKzoPqghL709B1gknB7WJ1VUk+fSeCnFGPe51oIsBx3ga461JYUS4e+2UlZFAG QUuesGIYs0qzhsQUhu4N95Kn4OcBJupOo9c54= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VHZCz25iAsdrlSeiUog4YMFQpTcYAdxyzsyjCow62KwqV6iMnqFecI5zno1qoBv9Ln w0V84w+V6esyJ92lX+IKMHZd4C+x51QPewunng0Y0nyKjY3SCbZMa9cVxYAZi1iSdQ0R FPr7np+JBSOlUN+R5Eb1PBTPMMEdo47jEdvgg= Received: by 10.181.148.2 with SMTP id a2mr1283071bko.117.1228753325345; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.229.16 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:22:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9bbcef730812080822q495da820h1fdd28c9ab2c96d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:22:05 +0100 From: "Ivan Voras" Sender: ivoras@gmail.com To: "Doug Poland" In-Reply-To: <20081208153348.GA57784@polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <493AFD81.6020705@polands.org> <20081208153348.GA57784@polands.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 455abd711580c0fd Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backup complete gmirror/gstripe/gjournal drives, how-to? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:22:07 -0000 2008/12/8 Doug Poland : > On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 10:29:36AM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: >> I hope you understand the problems with this kind of backup >> procedures. >> > Actually, I don't, that's why I'm posting :) My intent is to have a Here are a couple of things: a) How do you intend to restore the images? You need drives with >= size of the original drives (and images). If you have larger drives, the extra space might be wasted. b) With this method you cannot use (or actually, you can but it's very hard) any kind of differential/incremental backup, and in addition to the used space you're also backuping the unused/"empty" space. c) dd as you've used it will skip bad sectors, in a bad way - it will either stop (according to the documentation) or concatenate data blocks around the ones containing the bad sector (e.g. if a sector in the tenth block of 2 MB is bad, your file will contain blocks ...8,9,11,12,...). See conv=noerror,sync options to dd. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 16:37:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6E51065670 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251B78FC1A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 5040 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 16:37:02 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Dec 2008 16:37:02 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 42AA250825; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:37:01 -0500 (EST) To: "Ansar Mohammed" References: <018e01c955b1$4f532070$edf96150$@com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:37:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <018e01c955b1$4f532070$edf96150$@com> (Ansar Mohammed's message of "Wed\, 3 Dec 2008 20\:40\:37 -0500") Message-ID: <44wseabp3m.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount_smbfs and Kerberos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:37:05 -0000 "Ansar Mohammed" writes: > mount_smbfs on OSX seems to have Kerberos support, does mount_smbfs on > FreeBSD support Kerberos? No, but if it's in Darwin, it shouldn't be that hard to port (although some parts of CIFS seem to be trailing quite a bit). To be honest, I don't see anything about Kerberos in the man pages I have available for Darwin. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 16:39:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA9C1065676 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56FA8FC13 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 22730 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 16:39:20 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Dec 2008 16:39:20 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 2370E50825; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:39:19 -0500 (EST) To: lhecking@users.sourceforge.net References: <20081206131320.4BE834E625@cork.irdesign.cypress.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:39:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20081206131320.4BE834E625@cork.irdesign.cypress.com> (lhecking@users.sourceforge.net's message of "Sat\, 6 Dec 2008 13\:13\:20 +0000 \(GMT\)") Message-ID: <44skoybozt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disappearing mount point X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:39:21 -0000 lhecking@users.sourceforge.net writes: > I have a really weird problem. After changing the mount point of a Linux > ext3 fs to a different device, the mount point disappears after mounting > and is inaccessible. > > Disk layout: > ad4s1 Linux ext3 > ad4s2 FreeBSD > ad4s3 Linux ext3 > ad4s4 ext > ad4s5 Linux swap > ad4s6 Linux ext3 > ad4s7 Linux ext3 > ad4s8 Linux ext3 > > Mounting ad4s7 under FreeBSD as > > /dev/ad4s7 /gentoo-portage ext2fs rw 0 0 > > Then I moved this data to ad4s8 and changed the fstab entry accordingly: > > /dev/ad4s8 /gentoo-portage ext2fs rw 0 0 > > And this happens: > > [root@jeanie ~]# cd / > [root@jeanie /]# ls > .cshrc cdrom etc mnt tmp > .profile compat gentoo-portage proc usr > .snap dev home rescue var > COPYRIGHT dist lib root > bin distfiles libexec sbin > boot entropy media sys > [root@jeanie /]# mount /gentoo-portage > [root@jeanie /]# df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad4s2a 1012974 345748 586190 37% / > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > /dev/ad4s2f 1010964 22324 907764 2% /home > /dev/ad4s2d 4058062 38 3733380 0% /tmp > /dev/ad4s2e 20308398 6763976 11919752 36% /usr > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc > /dev/ad4s8 9929540 4505212 4923908 48% /gentoo-portage > [root@jeanie /]# ls > ls: gentoo-portage: Bad file descriptor > .cshrc bin dev etc media root usr > .profile boot dist home mnt sbin var > .snap cdrom distfiles lib proc sys z > COPYRIGHT compat entropy libexec rescue tmp > [root@jeanie /]# uname -a > FreeBSD jeanie.my.domain 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #8: Mon Sep 1 09:14:51 IST 2008 root@jeanie.my.domain:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JEANIE i386 > > I changed the filesystem on /dev/ad4s8 to ext2, but the problem persists. > No idea what's going on :-/ Did you try an fsck on ad4s8? -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 16:50:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF491065675; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C398FC1C; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from haran.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081208165034.HGQG8173.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@haran.polands.org>; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:50:34 +0000 Received: from ammon.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by haran.polands.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB8GoXkS002632; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:50:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ammon.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ammon.polands.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB8GoXOE097590; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:50:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@ammon.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ammon.polands.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mB8GoXwS097589; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:50:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:50:32 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: Ivan Voras Message-ID: <20081208165032.GA99675@polands.org> References: <493AFD81.6020705@polands.org> <20081208153348.GA57784@polands.org> <9bbcef730812080822q495da820h1fdd28c9ab2c96d7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9bbcef730812080822q495da820h1fdd28c9ab2c96d7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backup complete gmirror/gstripe/gjournal drives, how-to? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:50:35 -0000 On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 05:22:05PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > 2008/12/8 Doug Poland : > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 10:29:36AM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > > >> I hope you understand the problems with this kind of backup > >> procedures. > >> > > Actually, I don't, that's why I'm posting :) My intent is to have a > > Here are a couple of things: > I'd like to reiterate a statement I made in my OP, this is a "one-time" backup to preserve GEOM metadata. After this, I will use dump and rsync as I ordinarily do. > a) How do you intend to restore the images? > Booting from a live CD and reversing the dd netcat commands. Something like: livecd# nc -l 1234 | dd of=/dev/ad4 backup# gzip -dc /data/backup/ad4.img | nc livecd 1234 > You need drives with >= size of the original drives (and images). If > you have larger drives, the extra space might be wasted. > Understood > b) With this method you cannot use (or actually, you can but it's very > hard) any kind of differential/incremental backup, and in addition to > the used space you're also backuping the unused/"empty" space. > My intent would be to use the dd images to restore the disk partitions and GEOM metadata, then I would use restore to get the latest data. > c) dd as you've used it will skip bad sectors, in a bad way - it will > either stop (according to the documentation) or concatenate data > blocks around the ones containing the bad sector (e.g. if a sector in > the tenth block of 2 MB is bad, your file will contain blocks > ...8,9,11,12,...). See conv=noerror,sync options to dd. > Thank you for bringing that out. I have seen references to those dd options while googling this topic. Will using conv=noerror,sync preserve the disk in a viable state? Fundamentally, is there a better way to accomplish what I'm trying to do? Basically a bare-metal backup/restore of a 4-disk RAID-10 built using gmirror/gstripe with gjournal on top. If my dd solution is too problematic, I'll do something else. Your comments and suggestions are very welcome... -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 16:54:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8A91065670 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:54:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjgonzale@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f19.google.com (mail-gx0-f19.google.com [209.85.217.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7388FC08 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjgonzale@gmail.com) Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so1112994gxk.19 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:54:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/6kRDdKW86kigLNYjrM4/6Q+rLwznnS/Ih32Q/NvJWA=; b=wad5QMkx4sdu9i1gk+8XijKdireNTrBcEBZCPXdRd2kCnSkyBoQu1voO59tmffmyfO o1w5B6jl9wUa6xDu2dRqUx6O7J/3i8yWWv8Odq6CxyLiwaa3gWXuB4MIocXmRuP+HEVv KpNVRVfzklKK3fpnaWt1BhLi6uZxzEDPYROBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GQ18HJ0nxAM9aEBDVJIV2yDPdS3aJ98a80waJskQLggCVK1CIUY9DYmtfm1XHQhA2R heAFZBMKvZKrYrYKhGaaD9N7zd85NXfNHRiwNph2iKK7kMNQdhD3bU55p8EyvZZSWD5A beQ/Np3OCxxKjAVUqgFItBhYL6JVqGsVktHv8= Received: by 10.90.100.20 with SMTP id x20mr115965agb.47.1228752934814; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?201.231.64.136? (136-64-231-201.fibertel.com.ar [201.231.64.136]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm13344988yxj.7.2008.12.08.08.15.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:15:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493D4821.60209@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:15:29 -0200 From: Rodrigo Gonzalez User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabriel Lavoie References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-updates problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:54:51 -0000 Gabriel Lavoie wrote: > Hello, > since the update to 7.0-RELEASE-p6 is available, I have some problems > with freebsd-updates. It tells me that /boot/kernel/linker.hints needs to be > updated and if I install the update, it will tell me again and again that it > needs to be updated. > > [root@headless /usr/local/www/apache22/data]# freebsd-update fetch > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. > Fetching metadata signature for 7.0-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... > done. > Fetching metadata index... done. > Inspecting system... done. > Preparing to download files... done. > > The following files will be updated as part of updating to 7.0-RELEASE-p6: > /boot/kernel/linker.hints > > [root@headless /usr/local/www/apache22/data]# uname -a > FreeBSD headless.mutehq.net 7.0-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p6 #0: Mon > Nov 24 10:59:10 UTC 2008 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > amd64 > > Any idea of what might be going on? > > Thanks! > > Gabriel > > Maybe freebsd-update install From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 17:04:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA25106564A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@janh.de) Received: from mout-xforward.kundenserver.de (mout-xforward.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0CF8FC18 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:04:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@janh.de) Received: from janh.freebsd (g224001187.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.224.1.187]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML21M-1L9jXI01pw-0000FL; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:04:44 +0100 Message-ID: <493D53A9.3000106@janh.de> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:04:41 +0100 From: Jan Henrik Sylvester User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robin Becker References: 493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/nACxBkzPCLpVmFs/fM4QbNjY2Um4hPxHXyxA KY47sWcHK4CWWbCyTwCxLUeeIaJDtuesG9rt8u/WvrKaWEXsnX m3F317iKOY+opkraKwhRQ== Cc: questions-list freebsd Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:04:46 -0000 Robin wrote: > I'm just wondering if it is possible to install FreeBSD from inside a > bootstrap operating system such as a knoppix or ubuntu preinstall? http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2008-01-29-depenguinator-2.0.html Cheers, Jan Henrik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 17:07:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9801065675 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lhecking@users.sourceforge.net) Received: from ns1.cypress.com (ns1.cypress.com [157.95.67.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01198FC18 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lhecking@users.sourceforge.net) Received: from corpmail.cypress.com (corpmail [157.95.1.2]) by ns1.cypress.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id mB8H7lum004064 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from cork.irdesign.cypress.com (cork.irdesign.cypress.com [157.95.24.1]) by corpmail.cypress.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id mB8H7fo6027725 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from cork.irdesign.cypress.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cork.irdesign.cypress.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAACA4E4A6 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:07:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: by cork.irdesign.cypress.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 9B31D4E625; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:07:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Lars Hecking To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081206131320.4BE834E625@cork.irdesign.cypress.com> <44skoybozt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44skoybozt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> X-Mutt-References: <44skoybozt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-Id: <20081208170740.9B31D4E625@cork.irdesign.cypress.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:07:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Disappearing mount point X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:07:48 -0000 Lowell Gilbert writes: > lhecking@users.sourceforge.net writes: > > > I have a really weird problem. After changing the mount point of a Linux > > ext3 fs to a different device, the mount point disappears after mounting > > and is inaccessible. [...] > Did you try an fsck on ad4s8? I figured out the problem in the meantime. Not only did I change the device, but also rebuild the fs on, and this thread provided me with the solution: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?s=eecb9ad9ab9a673778a998ffeef1143f&t=471 I.e. the default inode size in e2fsprogs changed to 256, so rebuilding the fs with an inode size of 128 fixed it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 18:06:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3425106564A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D42E8FC18 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so502235eyi.7 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.19.11 with SMTP id 11mr3856458ebs.168.1228759578860; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (host-82-44-127-245.static.telewest.net [82.44.127.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t12sm5475710gvd.25.2008.12.08.10.06.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:06:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493D621A.4020804@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:06:18 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions-list freebsd References: 493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk <493D53A9.3000106@janh.de> In-Reply-To: <493D53A9.3000106@janh.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:06:20 -0000 Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > Robin wrote: > > I'm just wondering if it is possible to install FreeBSD from inside a > > bootstrap operating system such as a knoppix or ubuntu preinstall? > > http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2008-01-29-depenguinator-2.0.html >....... I've just finished building an image using it. Bit of a struggle as I had to patch one of the files and my lack of understanding of the chattr command in ubuntu caused me no end of problems. Basically when you run the build again after the first failure you need to clean up properly using chattr -R -i before you can even remove one of the folders. -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 18:37:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC021065672 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glavoie@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635D28FC1B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glavoie@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1283534rvf.43 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:37:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=wjDkPb+rnP+p4YiPxkPa+qhvILJ421g/i1VyU19/nyw=; b=XK7DbiuEy1yTDoJe4L6k0trt3jTunb6noWqn3uAPyQC9QwrD+XGWM2lezmL87i88/w o1I9oPEZ7iGgjWRmmVTXtHPgttQ+hHlJsqJP6zqdYDO+TPPA8D+Hx6uDCKzxeM2JWUS7 22QMD+aqUiYOHwBuPiC4FT4MrVwitZeyoC9Fs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=IBGzriLK2OCcDEYDr9dhlebeSjLlyXtMHjQiNunBIrWE6CzCJPSAiRLViURTzpSBqu AG3drOjhjsVvy9CFjmd8amD4nUaYFzG8jW8ITGtPS/Errp3svOyX5JhrM/aGrkZEVRWT NQQbgtkdQooimgrfbtGqPIzaMYu74XgCxRnSY= Received: by 10.140.133.9 with SMTP id g9mr879230rvd.7.1228761429061; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.168.6 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:37:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:37:09 -0500 From: "Gabriel Lavoie" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 and Enhanced Speedstep X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:37:09 -0000 Hello, I have a small problem/question about my Pentium Dual Core E5200. I have this system running as a server since 1 month and I just noticed that the CPU frequency may not be running at the highest speed. With my other computer that has a Core 2 Duo, I noticed that under Windows and Linux, the CPU frequency steps down at 2 GHz when the CPU is idle and increases at 2.66 GHz when the CPU is under load. With this FreeBSD Pentium Dual Core, I just noticed using sysctl that the frequency after booting the system is at 1.25 GHz and it doesn't go up automatically at 2.5 GHz under load. dev.cpu.0.freq: 1254 dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2508/-1 2194/-1 1881/-1 1567/-1 1254/-1 940/-1 627/-1 313/-1 If I do "sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=2508", the frequency gets changed: [root@headless /home/wildchild]# sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=2508 dev.cpu.0.freq: 1254 -> 2508 [root@headless /home/wildchild]# sysctl -a | grep cpu.0.freq dev.cpu.0.freq: 2508 dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2508/-1 2194/-1 1881/-1 1567/-1 1254/-1 940/-1 627/-1 313/-1 Why isn't the frequency isn't increased automatically under load? And why is it at 1.254 GHz after boot and not at the maximum frequency? Another thing I noticed with "dmesg" is the following error (CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.): cpu0: on acpi0 ACPI Warning (tbutils-0243): Incorrect checksum in table [OEMB] - D, should be 8 [20070320] est0: on cpu0 est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized. est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 61a4c2006004c20 device_attach: est0 attach returned 6 p4tcc0: on cpu0 cpu1: on acpi0 est1: on cpu1 est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized. est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 61a4c2006004c20 device_attach: est1 attach returned 6 Why do I get this error? I found this problem with my machine after I looked at an article telling that the new 45nm Intel CPUs were idling at around 3-4W when Speedstep is decreasing their frequency. And I guess it means that I've been running my server at 1.25 GHz all the time since I installed it, which would explain why some compiling jobs were slow! Thanks Gabriel -- Gabriel Lavoie glavoie@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 18:59:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1677F1065678 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xi@borderworlds.dk) Received: from kazon.borderworlds.dk (kazon.borderworlds.dk [213.239.213.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7678FC08 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:59:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xi@borderworlds.dk) Received: from dominion.borderworlds.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazon.borderworlds.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087BE17120 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:43:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by dominion.borderworlds.dk (Postfix, from userid 2000) id B5BBD8CB; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:43:32 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> From: Christian Laursen Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:43:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> (Robin Becker's message of "Mon\, 08 Dec 2008 13\:43\:08 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:59:20 -0000 Robin Becker writes: > I'm just wondering if it is possible to install FreeBSD from inside a > bootstrap operating system such as a knoppix or ubuntu preinstall? > > Reason I'm asking is that my boss is asking about getting another > commodity server using a provider that doesn't offer freebsd. We do > get KVM over IP however, and I assume that really clever people might > know how to handle this sort of thing if they have console access. With console access that shouldn't be too hard. My suggestion would be along the following lines: - Make a disk image with the FreeBSD installer using my iso2diskimage script at . - Add an entry to your GRUB configuration that will use memdisk from the syslinux package to load the disk image. - Reboot and select the newly created FreeBSD installer entry in GRUB. - Install FreeBSD The installer will run completely from RAM when booted so you can use the entire disk for FreeBSD. However, once sysinstall starts writing stuff to the disk you will no longer be able to boot the installer, so make sure to do it right the first time. :) -- Christian Laursen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 19:20:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1414106564A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:20:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAFB8FC0C for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:20:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so513909yxb.13 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:20:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/yeyyea7r9UzGwrrbVFa092ZcZsPjUXtCgAZMPHQsT4=; b=nUBbgYg65EkO+JBQiJ7ouY/aYuXxuxlIHRTW7wSY/G9usi+bGHJJQiD5FpT4uPnXuf AN5Cf2vxo5YxFZ23sQb52Dif0is7gpSEESfL85d+aMXhDal5zmYiO9KXJ+n5Sl+tN8a2 9eLLCAVOSocED0Se4XEVTZFAMsaTG7F2hNtHc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Xfur/kzSiz90w6fN5Rz2nau9tRAlwliNEJrmzDQh3esxrKw40LBkj7tF6cOnnLKUsU /B6Bb6l+sl4ePECRpNku2/EpyxDy8HwiIBxVtobyFvbujT2LL2sMEr076SSvDg9ZH+kP lQptXhImE8gYw2NOuD+XjDJf6x2tEEJG2qGH4= Received: by 10.142.52.9 with SMTP id z9mr1633410wfz.37.1228764048078; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.180.20 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:20:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1bd550a00812081120r70841c06r7a8e3d7c77760719@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:20:48 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=EDa?=" To: "Tore Lund" In-Reply-To: <1bd550a00811301139r5f14f8bej9a80c3d30bd64d57@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1227874986.00041844.1227863401@10.7.7.3> <49306C09.40308@next.online.no> <1bd550a00811301139r5f14f8bej9a80c3d30bd64d57@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD 7.1 BETA2 and RTL8168/8111 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:20:50 -0000 On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Fernando Apestegu=EDa wrote: > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Tore Lund wrote: >> Fernando Apestegu=EDa wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I recently installed FreeBSD 7.1 BETA2 on my system. During >>> installation using FTP option, I could notice the following: >>> >>> After some random time (two, five or six minutes, for instance) the >>> installation stalled and sysinstall lost the connection. I was taken >>> back to the "Select FTP site" screen, and I had to configure my NIC >>> again. Then, the install resumed and I got a usable system (MINIMAL + >>> docs + manpages) >>> >>> But the problem persists. From time to time, it seems the kernel can't >>> see the NIC. It happens during normal operation and no message is >>> shown in /var/log/messages. ifconfig doesn't show my 're0' device, so >>> I can't run dhclient on it and I have to reboot. I have to say that >>> sometimes, even when I reboot, the NIC (RTL8168/8111 PCI Express) is >>> not present. >>> >>> This device works fine in the same computer with either Vista or >>> Fedora 9, though I have to say I had similar problems with earlier >>> versions of Fedora (device disappearing or not present after boot), >>> but after a kernel upgrade everything run smoothly. >>> >>> Does FreeBSD use the same driver than Linux does? Anybody else with >>> this problem? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >> >> All I can say is that I have the same NIC, which is built into my Asus >> M2A-VM motherboard. I have used it since March 2008 with no problems at >> all. For the past three days I have been running 7.1-BETA2, also with >> no problems. I should like to provide more detail if that can be of any >> help to you. >> -- >> Tore >> > > Hi again, > > As Pegasus remarked, I can see two "PHY write failed" in dmesg. I did > a freebsd-update a couple of days ago and I haven't seen this issue so > far. I'll watch and report it should I get this error again. As I promissed I was watching, I thought the problem was gone, but yesterday I had to restart my computer a couple of times before I got my NIC working. The problem is still there but it seems minimized somehow (or maybe it was just luck that I didn't have this issue more often) I'm going to update to 7.1-BETA2-p1 today. I'll keep an eye on this problem and report it if I see it again. Cheers > > Cheers > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 20:22:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F04106567A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4188FC1C for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so656687nfh.33 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:22:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=1Xvp9qExfytqLFqWe87v1kjtP//p8aa/DtMnXOXYwHc=; b=Rq6+GV2tIQ1tG6pSdKrJm9rhQIVDmGBZenf9c6z4Z2VGevJfsoR3QoxNe31DiKxAel 50RXFwTM4YURgSId/WUlpcRhrlwEam+qaQ1QJxGSPvnBWu0Mc4VdYTlp0Ikumvu91XEs yEGIY82sMUCe39MWfHnZfuGn0k7gXpM/sXWuw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=lYi1S3flGVp8oG/hvX9NxlpILvESNy6W83yGvjA+iXjTgSm2CP0pzGtkfIA/vZxM5C rBwQmGKdB1nVZyEPmAB4VhpWk/KW+jkPVjZbPo7q3WK+wl4DcRT9UMI5fXpHxMcDk25f WJaHoj5SVGqYMkeDWzJNrvOpqqOdZ7ETNlF14= Received: by 10.210.89.4 with SMTP id m4mr3585020ebb.25.1228767765530; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.17.12 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:22:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:22:45 -0700 From: "Tim Judd" To: "Robin Becker" In-Reply-To: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:22:47 -0000 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Robin Becker wrote: > I'm just wondering if it is possible to install FreeBSD from inside a > bootstrap operating system such as a knoppix or ubuntu preinstall? > > Reason I'm asking is that my boss is asking about getting another commodity > server using a provider that doesn't offer freebsd. We do get KVM over IP > however, and I assume that really clever people might know how to handle > this sort of thing if they have console access. > -- > Robin Becker > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > google://depenguinator http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/remote-install/ I must be honest -- if you're looking to get a FreeBSD server without the provider offering it, and you have problems (such as an upgrade gone wrong) -- how will you recover the system? I don't have the comfortable warm and fuzzy feelings by doing this kind of install. Have fun with it though. --Tim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 01:44:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F0B1065673 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:44:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net (Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net [64.251.15.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1308FC08 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:44:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from phideaux.rawfeddogs.net ([64.251.15.37]) by Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1L9re0-000HGI-AX for Questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:44:13 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:44:09 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Monceaux X-X-Sender: dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net Cc: Subject: ISO Images/Releases/FTP Servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:44:15 -0000 FreeBSD Fans, I'm experiencing irritation. Would someone have a long talk with whoever is responsible for the ISO images, release names, and/or the FTP servers, depending on where the root if this irritation lies? I've installed FreeBSD briefly a couple of times on my home desktop box. Recently I've been taking an install on vmware from the 7.1-BETA2 ISO, bootonly - installed via FTP, for a spin to jog my memory a bit in preparation to perform another install. All worked well under vmware. I didn't try zfs as I figured I'd just wait for the real install for that. After getting home from work today I started the install process. This is roughly how it went. I booted the 7.1-BETA2 ISO and wiped out my Gentoo installation. I sliced/partitioned my hard drives. I then fired up a fixit shell to go through the root on UFS plus everything else on ZFS procedures I had used the last time around. I tried to load zfs.ko and kldload said it didn't exist. ls verified that it did indeed exist, but kldload refused to load it. At this point I had wiped out the Gentoo install on the only functional PC I have in the house. Well, there's a Pentium MMX 200Mhz box in the closet with an ooooooooold Mandrake install on it but it's power supply fan tries to be difficult most of the time. After grumbling for a few moments I pulled out a 7.0-STABLE-200807 livefs CD I had and tried using it for the fixit shell. It complained about the versions not matching, but started the fixit shell and I was able to load zfs.ko and create my zfs pool and filesystems. I try to start the install, pick a ZFS server and it complains that it can't find release 7.1-BETA2 on the FTP server. I went blank on release naming schemes. I tried several things to no avail. So, I finally decide to start over and install from the 7.0-STABLE-200807 ISO I have handy. I get to the same point and it complains that it can't find release 7.0-STABLE-200807 on the FTP server. Fortunately after a few tries I was able to do a better job of jogging my poor memory and made the installer happy using 7.0-RELEASE as the release name. Would someone please: A. Keep the releases available on the FTP servers for a reasonable amount of time. and/or B. Add functionality to the installer to list the available releases if it can't find the release it's looking for. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 03:01:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBA01065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from khoogc@singnet.com.sg) Received: from smtp44.singnet.com.sg (smtp44.singnet.com.sg [165.21.103.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CA68FC1B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from khoogc@singnet.com.sg) Received: from localhost (bb121-6-151-45.singnet.com.sg [121.6.151.45]) by smtp44.singnet.com.sg (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB92boIK026391 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:37:50 +0800 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:37:53 +0800 (SGT) From: Richard KHOO Guan Chen X-X-Sender: khoogc@localhost.my.domain To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081209103518.T1048@localhost.my.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: portaudit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:01:06 -0000 I have recently installed 6.4 release and tried to do a portausidt -F. No go reply was that auditfile.tbz unavailable. Would be grateful for help Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 03:48:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F891065670 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EE88FC17 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so1252005ika.3 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:48:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2I1S2jF39RzbF8zTvsx3sW2wvpCYDoWH6xx+LtPuNgs=; b=gFC65ZcLxKLuF5bcRU7r7nuyf5rEueQHBzDd9hfJUqbi0VEPD6siMVUVu+QSOSyaL7 zui7nTW6q9G0v2pUvKEDQ7AWSMFEz0/ONLFnf3hD7evyBOxZz1+4WOw3cCQUCpbu4yVY 4i8e0kflPwvc1HywI0anGYHRKTprr476ssMDM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=vkCar4/pzVbNuXQIXYTkLGPfOkn9N+e8E2UT4rcuicpaevP1qNkZkb1wb1shcxw4fb iRHbKEc3XaSfZ2S9PBYbZr9KT3aIKJoidUN/X7GTE6SR/9+QP1nzUQkuzbzQvOWfTulY PPq3CHmCmJMZnOa2W2e5kMVLZT8XhWOjSsXbw= Received: by 10.210.30.1 with SMTP id d1mr4397825ebd.2.1228793098638; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.17.12 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:24:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:24:58 -0700 From: "Tim Judd" To: "Kevin Monceaux" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: ISO Images/Releases/FTP Servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:48:48 -0000 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > FreeBSD Fans, > > I'm experiencing irritation. Would someone have a long talk with whoever > is responsible for the ISO images, release names, and/or the FTP servers, > depending on where the root if this irritation lies? > > > > I've installed FreeBSD briefly a couple of times on my home desktop box. > Recently I've been taking an install on vmware from the 7.1-BETA2 ISO, > bootonly - installed via FTP, for a spin to jog my memory a bit in > preparation to perform another install. All worked well under vmware. I > didn't try zfs as I figured I'd just wait for the real install for that. > After getting home from work today I started the install process. This is > roughly how it went. > > I booted the 7.1-BETA2 ISO and wiped out my Gentoo installation. I > sliced/partitioned my hard drives. I then fired up a fixit shell to go > through the root on UFS plus everything else on ZFS procedures I had used > the last time around. I tried to load zfs.ko and kldload said it didn't > exist. ls verified that it did indeed exist, but kldload refused to load > it. At this point I had wiped out the Gentoo install on the only functional > PC I have in the house. Well, there's a Pentium MMX 200Mhz box in the > closet with an ooooooooold Mandrake install on it but it's power supply fan > tries to be difficult most of the time. > > After grumbling for a few moments I pulled out a 7.0-STABLE-200807 livefs > CD I had and tried using it for the fixit shell. It complained about the > versions not matching, but started the fixit shell and I was able to load > zfs.ko and create my zfs pool and filesystems. I try to start the install, > pick a ZFS server and it complains that it can't find release 7.1-BETA2 on > the FTP server. I went blank on release naming schemes. I tried several > things to no avail. So, I finally decide to start over and install from the > 7.0-STABLE-200807 ISO I have handy. I get to the same point and it > complains that it can't find release 7.0-STABLE-200807 on the FTP server. > Fortunately after a few tries I was able to do a better job of jogging my > poor memory and made the installer happy using 7.0-RELEASE as the release > name. Would someone please: > > A. Keep the releases available on the FTP servers for a reasonable amount > of time. > > and/or > > B. Add functionality to the installer to list the available releases if > it can't find the release it's looking for. > > > > > > Kevin > http://www.RawFedDogs.net > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org > Bruceville, TX > So Kevin, your rant is completely based on BETAs, Snapshots, and probably RC's if we had any available. All three of those ARE NOT RELEASES. Those are come-n-go folders/directories on the ftp servers. Each release will stay on the sites and mirrors as long as they're in support (not EoL). If it bugs you so much that the Snapshots, BETAs, and RCs aren't constantly on the ftp servers, make your own local mirror on your own subnet. I'd recommend downloading the 7.0-RELEASE iso's and use that as a basis, until 7.1 is RELEASED, then use those as a source. I'm sorry to come down like this, but I find your rant unrooted and shaky. Good luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 04:13:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C1B106564A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:13:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAD78FC0C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9883011A2CE1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:13:07 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02259-06 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:13:07 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (blk-224-204-104.eastlink.ca [24.224.204.104]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1DBEB11A2CCD for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:13:07 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:13:06 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4CF66154353CD7ABCB17FB03@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: QEMU: increase image size with FreeBSD partitions ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:13:09 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have FreeBSD 7 running in a QEMU VM ... works like a charm, but I'm wondering if there is some way of *increasing* the size of the image beyond what I configured it for? I'm only finding stuff pertaining to NTFS/FAT32, but nothing about Unix in general, or FreeBSD specifically ... Is there any way of doing this, or do I have to build a new, larger img, and copy the data from diskA -> diskB, and reboot on diskB? Doable, but time consuming ... Thx - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk98FIACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvOHCQCgrJZtGmw3pOKA6t42fRoLhVJm mckAn1kn/in24sJFHSTKdM2LpaOFmWbd =PKOO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 04:22:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A261065686 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net (Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net [64.251.15.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA988FC12 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from phideaux.rawfeddogs.net ([64.251.15.37]) by Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1L9u7D-000Ibm-PT for FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:22:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:22:28 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Monceaux X-X-Sender: dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net To: FreeBSD Questions E-Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net Cc: Subject: Re: ISO Images/Releases/FTP Servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:22:34 -0000 On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Tim Judd wrote: > So Kevin, your rant is completely based on BETAs, Snapshots, and probably > RC's if we had any available. > > All three of those ARE NOT RELEASES. > > Those are come-n-go folders/directories on the ftp servers. For the most part, fair enough. I do realize that a large part of my frustration was of my own doing. I'm not at all surprised that I got the error when trying to install from 7.0-STABLE-200807 as it's fairly old. But with 7.1-BETA2 I just downloaded and installed from that ISO less than a week ago. It's not unreasonable to expect it to sill be available, especially considering the fact that the "Upcoming Release: 7.1 - BETA 2" link is still on the front page of FreeBSD.org. Now that I'm far enough along in my install to be able access the site I see the link does now takes one to a download page with links to ISO images for 7.1-RC1. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 04:38:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CC21065678 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sahil@tandon.net) Received: from aegis.hamla.org (aegis.hamla.org [206.251.255.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9808FC16 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sahil@tandon.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegis.hamla.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0EC5C78 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:40:13 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tandon.net; h= x-virus-scanned:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :mime-version:references:reply-to:message-id:subject:from:date: received; s=aegis; t=1228797613; bh=cr1UFU/FGgtjz2eEUJGgMDLKBPGA +8uvm8XgTl6O9DA=; b=FkUJJAbCy5WQ3YdD9qEX8ArwdGqk4zJyh4xFQrbPue6c xwLYEfCxrgyovV62v1nfGld7n7I4/LtDhhG9/aaw33s3+cJfKTQEjwygnvnUKycL P+o1vSRbYd9FGD/DBhkj+7pdUll8CRHxw4LYIsRmeyyxYaxS2kPxKbynYgggFbE= Received: from aegis.hamla.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aegis.hamla.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with LMTP id O7E0vNnX0aZd for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:40:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:38:38 -0500 From: Sahil Tandon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081209043837.GA5653@shepherd> References: <20081209103518.T1048@localhost.my.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081209103518.T1048@localhost.my.domain> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on aegis.hamla.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: portaudit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:38:40 -0000 Richard KHOO Guan Chen wrote: > I have recently installed 6.4 release and tried to do a portausidt -F. > No go reply was that auditfile.tbz unavailable. By default, portaudit fetches the database from www.FreeBSD.org/ports. What is the output of the following commands on your machine? % wget http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz % fetch -1amp http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz Have you created or modified /usr/local/etc/portaudit.conf? -- Sahil Tandon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 06:35:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3671065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:35:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48738FC12 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:35:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB96Z3J3020239; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:35:04 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:35:02 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Gabriel Lavoie In-Reply-To: <20081209030117.BDE66106575E@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20081209163440.J94168@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20081209030117.BDE66106575E@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 and Enhanced Speedstep X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:35:09 -0000 On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:37:09 -0500 Gabriel Lavoie wrote: > I have a small problem/question about my Pentium Dual Core E5200. I > have this system running as a server since 1 month and I just noticed > that the CPU frequency may not be running at the highest speed. With > my other computer that has a Core 2 Duo, I noticed that under Windows > and Linux, the CPU frequency steps down at 2 GHz when the CPU is idle > and increases at 2.66 GHz when the CPU is under load. With this > FreeBSD Pentium Dual Core, I just noticed using sysctl that the > frequency after booting the system is at 1.25 GHz and it doesn't go > up automatically at 2.5 GHz under load. > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 1254 > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2508/-1 2194/-1 1881/-1 1567/-1 1254/-1 940/-1 > 627/-1 313/-1 > > If I do "sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=2508", the frequency gets changed: > > [root@headless /home/wildchild]# sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=2508 > dev.cpu.0.freq: 1254 -> 2508 > [root@headless /home/wildchild]# sysctl -a | grep cpu.0.freq > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2508 > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2508/-1 2194/-1 1881/-1 1567/-1 1254/-1 940/-1 > 627/-1 313/-1 > > Why isn't the frequency isn't increased automatically under load? And > why is it at 1.254 GHz after boot and not at the maximum frequency? It seems you are not running powerd, which is what monitors the load and adjusts frequency. Add powerd_enable="YES" to rc.conf and either reboot or just run '/etc/rc.d/powerd start' (or run powerd -v in a terminal to verify that it's shifting freqs according to your load requirements) Speculation on the second matter below .. > Another thing I noticed with "dmesg" is the following error (CPU > supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.): Which FreeBSD version? (uname -a) > cpu0: on acpi0 > ACPI Warning (tbutils-0243): Incorrect checksum in table [OEMB] - D, > should be 8 [20070320] This looks ungood. You maybe should quote the earlier dmesgs re ACPI too. This sounds like an issue to take to the acpi@freebsd.org list. > est0: on cpu0 > est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized. > est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 61a4c2006004c20 > device_attach: est0 attach returned 6 6 = fail. Either bad vendor ACPI (you've not mentioned what vendor or model) or maybe an older FreeBSD version than would recognise your cpu revision; you may need to run 7-STABLE or a 7.1 beta; dunno about 6.4. Either way, EST isn't functioning, or you'd have a larger range of freqs available than these eight, and milliWatt figures instead of those -1. There's no sign of 2.66GHz either, if that's expected? > p4tcc0: on cpu0 p4tcc attached ok. That's what provides the 8 freqs you have, in 12.5% steps from 8/8 downto 1/8 of the base freq. While this helps control temperature it's not as effective as EST (which also modifies cpu core voltage) for managing power use, so you need to locate that problem. > cpu1: on acpi0 > est1: on cpu1 > est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized. > est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 61a4c2006004c20 > device_attach: est1 attach returned 6 Ditto, and presumably you have a p4tcc1 as as well? > Why do I get this error? > > I found this problem with my machine after I looked at an article > telling that the new 45nm Intel CPUs were idling at around 3-4W when > Speedstep is decreasing their frequency. And I guess it means that > I've been running my server at 1.25 GHz all the time since I > installed it, which would explain why some compiling jobs were slow! Sure. Why it starts at 50% I don't know, unless something thinks there is a temperature problem? Anyway, you need powerd, and you likely need to check the acpi@ list about getting your EST working .. you may even need a BIOS upgrade or hacking on your ACPI ASL, but hopefully not .. And post them more details; at least the full /var/run/dmesg.boot and the results of 'sysctl hw.acpi dev.cpu' .. saving rounds of questions. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 07:37:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654661065670 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2846A8FC14 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id mB97CiME029352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:12:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id mB97CiW6029351; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA06064; Mon, 8 Dec 08 23:09:28 PST Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:12:44 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: tajudd@gmail.com Message-Id: <493e1a6c.2YG1fe1MvWsUnWYI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO Images/Releases/FTP Servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:37:19 -0000 > > B. Add functionality to the installer to list the available > > releases if it can't find the release it's looking for. ... > So Kevin, your rant is completely based on BETAs, Snapshots, > and probably RC's if we had any available. > > All three of those ARE NOT RELEASES. And this somehow makes item B unreasonable? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 07:58:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19B31065670 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA928FC1F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so619432ywe.13 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:58:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=60UVVj3xLf0JmBrLDjoeW6CymC5a/NdoUSqy4TjW+gk=; b=GTC9Jo09ljA1jFI3enBQhWAEIdj1Mwj2aYMcuzXQpd+n/ZlX4ymNqA9eM6/RNVqw9x a+deUnFS2eJdvMXKx9MmjS/daP0VnXWUQDrIRriJuwAs6kupXi2j6QHP+TVliiRENiLW YiL4AsxsNjNKD61dkZ5wFQTOS9sin17DWXhcY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FYdQaadRS8j6xeeIhPNZuOv2kuHj6ztoGDjKp5QDm9YwGNIu+6G+rLk5JXEIf8MbQ4 1ZXfebCKdL1VgTGGMXDLaKcAPr6cLJBMrH6ebRuKiWlal/OxwxMZ7SdiCdnj9+VV4s36 pQpEjUqFZyoYIKFvZ6nZPIR6yRWvf66wwj5VE= Received: by 10.64.114.1 with SMTP id m1mr3639581qbc.52.1228809491755; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.179.9 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:58:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0812082358i31788448k4fde9fe555efb0cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:58:11 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "User Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/local/lib/php/20060613/gd.so X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:58:14 -0000 Hi, I have upgraded php to 5.2.8 because of security notices and then got this problem. 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Have a nice day! -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.faitrade.net.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 09:16:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469AB1065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:16:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDB78FC0C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:16:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1L9yhE-0006H2-6S for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:16:00 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:16:00 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:16:00 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:15:45 +0100 Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <4CF66154353CD7ABCB17FB03@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig37ED47773127ACF273A041F9" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: <4CF66154353CD7ABCB17FB03@ganymede.hub.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: QEMU: increase image size with FreeBSD partitions ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:16:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig37ED47773127ACF273A041F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marc G. Fournier wrote: >=20 > I have FreeBSD 7 running in a QEMU VM ... works like a charm, but I'm w= ondering=20 > if there is some way of *increasing* the size of the image beyond what = I=20 > configured it for? I'm only finding stuff pertaining to NTFS/FAT32, bu= t=20 > nothing about Unix in general, or FreeBSD specifically ... >=20 > Is there any way of doing this, or do I have to build a new, larger img= , and=20 > copy the data from diskA -> diskB, and reboot on diskB? Doable, but ti= me=20 > consuming ... I don't think there's anything automatic but you can grow the virtual disk, then modify the last partition size by hand, then use growfs. --------------enig37ED47773127ACF273A041F9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJPjdJldnAQVacBcgRAqLSAKCamvhd8Vhmc72GXa6EWb/sIn2G2ACg/YJP GtiyWAIbNesCcnJG9Y6RCqY= =hKBB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig37ED47773127ACF273A041F9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 09:34:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D041D1065673 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61E1E8FC14 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69818 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2008 09:34:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=s1crH/8C6z89yusmNLuL8fv38MGDKNIgN+5opZNSiTdO4RFOtEuqoj/0NhsWpfhvPkipXEulqIfDxVLWgD5QfgQQqWip0u0aEMEnHKp7b5OJkNX6YSntTpWBiUoLsJ/H4Bt2R8vprKOeiLDtAhyRAv74sjt8a/fk3L6NKU8dw7A=; X-YMail-OSG: pPeNHEQVM1mxIe2YKQ6lLOOOlh6o5OVhhoFo_5U0tUHMRIY71z1vHCo2Wqf_c2WEn7jSwxahfO2hzUNTzwHRM8kSZao9.iNPsoVOMzzCqssk.gVW1_Vuztu2y_QzEgARl0H95XMNADhBLC4yu1BrvgzQnKw- Received: from [220.255.7.168] by web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:34:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: Unga To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <706654.84147.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <717416.69815.qm@web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD cannot power down X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: unga888@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:34:07 -0000 --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Unga wrote: > From: Unga > Subject: FreeBSD cannot power down > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 11:22 PM > Hi all > > After a kernel recompilation on i386 RELENG_7 (not the > latest), I cannot power down the machine. > > kldstat shows acpi.ko is loaded. > > It used to switch off but now the "shutdown -p > now" halts the system with following messages: > The operating system has halted. > Please press any key to reboot. > > What else could I check to identify the cause? > > Appreciate your ideas on this. > I found /dev/acpi is missing. I may have sure made a mistake somewhere. What is the proper fix to get the /dev/acpi? Best regards Unga From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 10:12:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE115106567C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rhlebadm@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FB98FC29 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rhlebadm@yandex.ru) Received: from webmail54.yandex.ru (webmail54.yandex.ru [77.88.32.228]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 840AE193077 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:51:23 +0300 (MSK) Received: from YAMAIL (webmail54) by mail.yandex.ru id S6520836AbYLIJvS for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:51:18 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Received: from [85.249.118.71] ([85.249.118.71]) by mail.yandex.ru with HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:51:18 +0300 From: =?KOI8-R?B?6czY0Q==?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <242941228816278@webmail54.yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:51:18 +0300 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Strange behaviour of the filesystem on FreeBSD-5.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:12:36 -0000 Hello. -- I have a trouble with /var filesystem on FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE-p20 (upgraded from 5.2 to 5.3, and then to 5.5 some days ago): 'df -h' shows: Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1d 248M 138M 90M 61% /var 'du -s /var' shows: 28M /var I'm sure, that there can not be 62Mb of technical info on such small partition. So, probably there is a bug in soft-updates, or some another thing, that i can't understand. Free space on /var reduces with time, and after three days there are no free inodes. But after i reboot my machine (and background fsck makes it's job), things are good again, du and df are in agreement about sizes of filesystems. Also i tried to verify, that there are no files, which are deleted, but still occupy place in filesystem (i.e., when some process still use it's filehandle). The output of 'lsof +D /var' shows *only* existent files on /var filesystem. Can anybody, please, give me some advice about how to fix this VERY annoying problem, since this FreeBSD box is our enterprise's router, and i sometimes must go to office and reboot it even on holidays. Maybe, reinstalling everything from scratch would be the simplest thing to do, but i still hope, that somebody can tell me how to fix everything 'in place'. -- Ilya. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 10:20:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7484106564A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:20:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brendan.kennedy@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A80D8FC1A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:20:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brendan.kennedy@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so4020055fkk.11 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:20:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=xoDF1DjOKnZm+MH6vpTSvkj0lL4/pZkIUdESpI7kaEw=; b=QbHHnEZrrnqCDt0tuTsYEXe4MAspXMva/cu743GxbopTIvu84NezutQIXVly+OdUlE RPU0RL0/rp8hG3Tnr8ixrBkiI3WF9OEvoYnQjV8JnYZxI+majGadIPYHrk4K5gN2+IsN muEdqp+yetGtfCYc/Q+33gTodIRYvmbdeYoHU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=G2esI5OcpvQt9bhVSrYo/UmtggqsO9O+LXdos0wJb5tU+tK/oVDmLaAaV/4KXOnHmP IhGiW6MLhq2pbrIxdzV2ioMEKWUR3GgXNGSw/gRmQqbUYs8OfdI3FfN0fVcINSKrof3Z qlbPBFkCK+D+DqL8Y6Nq2H1x1vqEjSQCSfsJM= Received: by 10.180.246.2 with SMTP id t2mr1585077bkh.161.1228818007935; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.253.7 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:20:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:20:07 +0000 From: "Brendan Kennedy" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [FreeBSD 6.2] _IOWR macro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:20:09 -0000 Hi All, I am using the _IOWR macro in a piece of code. Although my structure gets copied to the kernel ok (the states etc are preserved), if I write back to that structure, the changes are not seen in user space. Is there a known bug with this macro for 6.2 and is it fixed in a later release? Best Regards, Brendan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 10:42:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850601065673 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f19.google.com (mail-gx0-f19.google.com [209.85.217.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EE58FC13 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so1492881gxk.19 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:42:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=6xz0vsNluMFFQf0MlAGR5tEIXXg/hPnUkj10rul88ac=; b=O4QLgnkd3n7Y+Z8RXjCUUZYF0au9oKsvncbU2x12uewtNGNck7CiJxQmQ8BJ83yqYv V3th1lzocReusIU/ZlAgb8Epu1Y+0k+KgyiVvWSlv0KF/8uLMVt1UMNTHZGtNS15mNnj njfubSeGBV+HQ+ssh4zjtQ3cWOh+hzW4h4Knc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NeGKVzj1xChMYOhHzcX8oLhaRq7mmnj97FRd9U0V3Pyh23xr3sJ16X4qiHIYTvMqIp RSTuPZWfnmcxD7pBD0B/0znVRFeWHjYV/OtDO90q12/SWCkkLI6BrgH2DEXoZ5b+SCQU mcEx/7dwaM04sWjAzyt4NhrwV07jRglu3VIXc= Received: by 10.65.156.17 with SMTP id i17mr3736437qbo.98.1228819336611; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:42:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.179.9 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:42:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0812090242k2ee688bbx8015efb2c5c1fafd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:42:16 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "User Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: removing a php5-pcre extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:42:18 -0000 Hello, Now that pcre is included in the base installation, how do I remove it? $ pkg_delete -nv php5-pcre-5.2.6_2 pkg_delete: package 'php5-pcre-5.2.6_2' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: pear-1.7.2 pear-Auth-1.6.1 pear-Auth_SASL-1.0.2 pear-DB-1.7.13,1 pear-Log-1.10.1 pear-Mail_Mime-1.5.2,1 pear-Mail_mimeDecode-1.5.0 pear-Net_SMTP-1.3.0 pear-Net_Socket-1.0.8 pear-Pager-2.4.6 pecl-filter-0.11.0 php5-extensions-1.2 phpMyAdmin-3.1.0 smarty-2.6.19 pkg_delete: 1 package deletion(s) failed Am I safe just deleting it? Or do I have to rebuild all the above listed ports? Leaving it as is is probably not a good idea... Thanks a lot for your input. If possible, I'd like to keep my system clean without unnecessary ports. -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.faitrade.net.pl www.slowo.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 10:45:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AFE106564A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AC78FC14 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LA05Y-0000me-Kx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:45:12 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:45:12 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:45:12 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:45:07 +0100 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <94136a2c0812090242k2ee688bbx8015efb2c5c1fafd@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF157CEEDA35318170C4FC670" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0812090242k2ee688bbx8015efb2c5c1fafd@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: removing a php5-pcre extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:45:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF157CEEDA35318170C4FC670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Now that pcre is included in the base installation, how do I remove it?= >=20 > $ pkg_delete -nv php5-pcre-5.2.6_2 > pkg_delete: package 'php5-pcre-5.2.6_2' is required by these other pack= ages > and may not be deinstalled: > pear-1.7.2 > pear-Auth-1.6.1 > pear-Auth_SASL-1.0.2 > pear-DB-1.7.13,1 > pear-Log-1.10.1 > pear-Mail_Mime-1.5.2,1 > pear-Mail_mimeDecode-1.5.0 > pear-Net_SMTP-1.3.0 > pear-Net_Socket-1.0.8 > pear-Pager-2.4.6 > pecl-filter-0.11.0 > php5-extensions-1.2 > phpMyAdmin-3.1.0 > smarty-2.6.19 > pkg_delete: 1 package deletion(s) failed >=20 > Am I safe just deleting it? Or do I have to rebuild all the above liste= d ports? > Leaving it as is is probably not a good idea... 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X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1LA05n-0002V0-6T bcf76f8ecb1ed925da944b69fc67b837 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange behaviour of the filesystem on FreeBSD-5.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:45:28 -0000 On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:51:18PM +0300, ???? wrote: > Hello. > -- > I have a trouble with /var filesystem on FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE-p20 (upgraded from 5.2 to 5.3, and then to 5.5 some days ago): > 'df -h' shows: > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s1d 248M 138M 90M 61% /var > 'du -s /var' shows: > 28M /var > I'm sure, that there can not be 62Mb of technical info on such small > partition. So, probably there is a bug in soft-updates, or some another > thing, that i can't understand. Free space on /var reduces with time, and > after three days there are no free inodes. But after i reboot my machine > (and background fsck makes it's job), things are good again, du and df are > in agreement about sizes of filesystems. > > Also i tried to verify, that there are no files, which are deleted, but > still occupy place in filesystem (i.e., when some process still use it's > filehandle). The output of 'lsof +D /var' shows *only* existent files on > /var filesystem. Are you sure that lsof can determine the correct directory for deleted files that still exist? They do not reside in any directory any longer after all. I strongly suspect that your problem is indeed files that have been deleted but are still in use by some process (all the symptoms fit), but that your method of finding such files is insufficient. Reading the lsof(8) manpage makes me think that 'lsof +aL1 /var' will list the deleted-but-still-existing files you are interested in. (Given as an example in the description of the +L option.) > Can anybody, please, give me some advice about how to fix this VERY > annoying problem, since this FreeBSD box is our enterprise's router, and i > sometimes must go to office and reboot it even on holidays. Maybe, > reinstalling everything from scratch would be the simplest thing to do, > but i still hope, that somebody can tell me how to fix everything 'in > place'. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 11:00:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278EB1065677 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1468FC25 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so810698nfh.33 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:00:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xp6xHY/SCkSlQVUSbRM6jQ4yoxtpcPrF681yQdqcbqw=; b=nrAtTODaoSk3VUBhXnq5CBQPyDx+PKNHFKR23dd2Y3jeEfF7oH7PmFlnK6BXlRPAU/ hic8VRZuOWKa7kIDPGOB4iBa9oe/yq+2QmGorEb57J3XHs6198Cw6vvCt8WVuC0rjsl6 1nhsXaT3graoPLzJp6FDVJnIJFugUUB1Q9jOA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=VRfoJmsl+S8NqRq0WeMloUTw0eObEumqzgm+d4iuwRYvsbZC2n2XXQj1ykmbkx4RJf Dh2EUXic8SAPN4RRs7W6T9r6TqUMGRwhJt1sHCuth6/b+ZHm7FJOP1JCITWH9HKyy7ub wwXDagBphAAghqH0D2Ic4HD3vN2HhBtw+nJbM= Received: by 10.223.108.210 with SMTP id g18mr1873392fap.38.1228820442921; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.119.19 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:00:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0812090300k5fb9bf9dgd1d4c1b86b3bf593@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:00:42 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Odhiambo Washington" , "User Questions" In-Reply-To: <991123400812090247q12afdaaal958ab459d340cf50@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <94136a2c0812090242k2ee688bbx8015efb2c5c1fafd@mail.gmail.com> <991123400812090247q12afdaaal958ab459d340cf50@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Re: removing a php5-pcre extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:00:45 -0000 Hello, > BTW, wait till php-5.2.8 to do this. I read somewhere that 5.2.7 has > security issues, but maybe you know better than I do. Thanks but I know about it. That's why I used ports which have 5.2.8. :) -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.faitrade.net.pl www.slowo.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 11:12:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D888A106564A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649228FC14 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so1372104ika.3 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:12:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=vHoQG7ZKUZJYXVGSVqo3ZesQzqCMIU47r1Yy22gOnkY=; b=eE6BuCzBYTU1HgDOjgtR37kN+OTgCONo6rJggZegwpaQm1mX3gPv3DVRWMr/+J2of7 hSrRydUO0RFmPC5fAJrzDa+F2CKKRg04bEPZ/GwVXHq3WyVo0FZYeSktnbUA0JT2ypPG BX+NKnOigoMwmS2q5Ix1I1sEucGTl+ZTQDHqg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lEZQfplDXVsd/1LsSHbPMTCfpI9XXoBOpULTW87j18RISL6K66r+eSpllnOWvtnC7u moBrsatqQNS7TpgCaGwjmIpdVP6BY2p+Hd9vHMLYB8bWO7ENc2XR4BR9/HuPFnGaDEVo Z3KBkbHcrSmA/kV3CjBjak9wwAEHW8DTv49Zw= Received: by 10.223.116.10 with SMTP id k10mr1852571faq.101.1228821130846; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.119.19 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:12:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0812090312w3898a493vff0e633cd3a32f6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:12:10 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Ivan Voras" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <94136a2c0812090242k2ee688bbx8015efb2c5c1fafd@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing a php5-pcre extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:12:12 -0000 Hello, On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:45, Ivan Voras wrote: > Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Now that pcre is included in the base installation, how do I remove it? >> >> $ pkg_delete -nv php5-pcre-5.2.6_2 >> pkg_delete: package 'php5-pcre-5.2.6_2' is required by these other packages >> and may not be deinstalled: >> pear-1.7.2 >> pear-Auth-1.6.1 >> pear-Auth_SASL-1.0.2 >> pear-DB-1.7.13,1 >> pear-Log-1.10.1 >> pear-Mail_Mime-1.5.2,1 >> pear-Mail_mimeDecode-1.5.0 >> pear-Net_SMTP-1.3.0 >> pear-Net_Socket-1.0.8 >> pear-Pager-2.4.6 >> pecl-filter-0.11.0 >> php5-extensions-1.2 >> phpMyAdmin-3.1.0 >> smarty-2.6.19 >> pkg_delete: 1 package deletion(s) failed >> >> Am I safe just deleting it? Or do I have to rebuild all the above listed ports? >> Leaving it as is is probably not a good idea... > > Presumably, if you delete it, the listed packages will stop working. One more thought - I commented out the pcre extension in the ini file and restarted apache after which everything seems to be working fine. So I wonder if I am safe to delete it or if not, then how would you advise me to proceed to keep the system clean. Many thanks! -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.faitrade.net.pl www.slowo.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 11:22:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C671065670 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B2E8FC12 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:22:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LA0fb-00025H-My for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:22:27 +0000 Received: from pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net ([138.88.90.120]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:22:27 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:22:27 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:22:10 -0500 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <94136a2c0812090242k2ee688bbx8015efb2c5c1fafd@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: removing a php5-pcre extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:22:32 -0000 Ivan Voras wrote: > Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Now that pcre is included in the base installation, how do I remove it? >> >> $ pkg_delete -nv php5-pcre-5.2.6_2 >> pkg_delete: package 'php5-pcre-5.2.6_2' is required by these other >> packages and may not be deinstalled: >> pear-1.7.2 >> pear-Auth-1.6.1 >> pear-Auth_SASL-1.0.2 >> pear-DB-1.7.13,1 >> pear-Log-1.10.1 >> pear-Mail_Mime-1.5.2,1 >> pear-Mail_mimeDecode-1.5.0 >> pear-Net_SMTP-1.3.0 >> pear-Net_Socket-1.0.8 >> pear-Pager-2.4.6 >> pecl-filter-0.11.0 >> php5-extensions-1.2 >> phpMyAdmin-3.1.0 >> smarty-2.6.19 >> pkg_delete: 1 package deletion(s) failed >> >> Am I safe just deleting it? Or do I have to rebuild all the above listed >> ports? Leaving it as is is probably not a good idea... > > Presumably, if you delete it, the listed packages will stop working. I just ran into this yesterday with a portupgrade. I just did pkg_deinstall -f (pkg_delete -f does the same in lieu) php5-pcre and so far haven't had any problems. I also looked at phpinfo(); and it still is containing a listing for pcre support. YMMV After the portupgrade php -v (I run php as fastcgi) segfaulted. I ran the "reorder extensions.ini" script and it then complained about sqlite.so. Since I don't use that I just commented it out of extensions.ini. In case anyone else sees the same. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 12:05:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E3A1065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:05:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BFE28FC19 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:05:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31308 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 12:05:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=RagUH+u8Sr4tbcckqSyvH7a2QeDv2HRtyRF+P5XGWph7HtYvd25oZ/cqY1mLp4Im5dse1k+XF8IHn/w4XJscE9R9bhK22Y4KrLtCAycL6HEEX4xVfptO1TVLPWm3YcGXmBMKLzjpjymwap8PHBFZLWUWtYYiIYtDMMU94XKO3T8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 12:05:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 76mmF1IVM1mxml00oDoTZ13qMHSwTfhYmHWa7x17Cfp2IxiOKwB3UqfeS99vRkL0Oe97kg16VXXYNouly9KSjjnUnY0i6qPNIsuDNgZruU9_dbPAIHEQXMm2aNJsVg9PeHqwh8LTv7SDw6unVFhEYJz3NHXVLhK8oHAzyuY5v6Gq9wAmUlkeFcGWjDCAFydyN7.H3YAu4OhFHlbcB5uMniEgD07OBVkO4g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:05:35 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081209070535.42356a24@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE33C@w2003s01.double-l.local> References: <493D0D11.5010605@webrz.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE33C@w2003s01.double-l.local> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/AjdgG7mjAlHwJSCgqmjuDfq"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: PHP 5 | pcre extention X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:05:46 -0000 --Sig_/AjdgG7mjAlHwJSCgqmjuDfq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:10:49 +0100 "Johan Hendriks" wrote: >No idea but do not use 5.2.7 because of a security issue (see php.net) >So stick to 5.2.6 till 5.2.8 is released. It is all ready in ports. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Chemicals, n.: Noxious substances from which modern foods are made. --Sig_/AjdgG7mjAlHwJSCgqmjuDfq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk+XxcACgkQBvaKIJWWCO0MjgCfazx0IUyRbj/sOys19fdcSFwd r/IAoIKN4NTRdSkuHkbZbYjEp3g2bXT5 =Umjn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/AjdgG7mjAlHwJSCgqmjuDfq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 12:16:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1185C106564A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glavoie@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED418FC08 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glavoie@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1613297rvf.43 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:16:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=TgLkzCzbB/6d1zQ7V1ujFqBB6A02kSRseKdu0Tw9Oos=; b=s+gFpnWrcTo+PQtzv2P/dvjXPdM9gc1f+DrvCee5VMsPtgD06KO/bKtNmZJvs1R1L5 p0GZH9lTFk0iemzwuGMjcwx/iLb6KZNxNhl11xvisua8c6Z1FAmzI5xpocVnuFnkpv0y 1KQ+hqU+P5hiBa2CMAzk5hexwsqxDiqf95na4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Y58ZXFyBTOq9dvctV50xgEb3hXZCRUlf+L5XqE0m/os1reLrU/ldzeDLyTzBrQzzEl fJ5FnWYBSC68T65MTaRYOoypqRFqss5HSzJQp0uuReHQLqHeaDot19k9vvy67jjUXSPf wilrknBjZ2MuKHQdKDQd1Hu7j/Z1jRQxmSA+s= Received: by 10.141.53.1 with SMTP id f1mr36480rvk.4.1228824969856; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.168.6 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:16:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:16:09 -0500 From: "Gabriel Lavoie" To: "Ian Smith" In-Reply-To: <20081209163440.J94168@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081209030117.BDE66106575E@hub.freebsd.org> <20081209163440.J94168@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 and Enhanced Speedstep X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:16:11 -0000 2008/12/9 Ian Smith > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:37:09 -0500 Gabriel Lavoie > wrote: > > > I have a small problem/question about my Pentium Dual Core E5200. I > > have this system running as a server since 1 month and I just noticed > > that the CPU frequency may not be running at the highest speed. With > > my other computer that has a Core 2 Duo, I noticed that under Windows > > and Linux, the CPU frequency steps down at 2 GHz when the CPU is idle > > and increases at 2.66 GHz when the CPU is under load. With this > > FreeBSD Pentium Dual Core, I just noticed using sysctl that the > > frequency after booting the system is at 1.25 GHz and it doesn't go > > up automatically at 2.5 GHz under load. > > > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 1254 > > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2508/-1 2194/-1 1881/-1 1567/-1 1254/-1 940/-1 > > 627/-1 313/-1 > > > > If I do "sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=2508", the frequency gets changed: > > > > [root@headless /home/wildchild]# sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=2508 > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 1254 -> 2508 > > [root@headless /home/wildchild]# sysctl -a | grep cpu.0.freq > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2508 > > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2508/-1 2194/-1 1881/-1 1567/-1 1254/-1 940/-1 > > 627/-1 313/-1 > > > > Why isn't the frequency isn't increased automatically under load? And > > why is it at 1.254 GHz after boot and not at the maximum frequency? > > It seems you are not running powerd, which is what monitors the load and > adjusts frequency. Add powerd_enable="YES" to rc.conf and either reboot > or just run '/etc/rc.d/powerd start' (or run powerd -v in a terminal to > verify that it's shifting freqs according to your load requirements) Will check about that. > > > Speculation on the second matter below .. > > > Another thing I noticed with "dmesg" is the following error (CPU > > supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.): > > Which FreeBSD version? (uname -a) [wildchild@headless ~]$ uname -a FreeBSD headless.mutehq.net 7.0-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p6 #0: Mon Nov 24 10:59:10 UTC 2008 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > > > cpu0: on acpi0 > > ACPI Warning (tbutils-0243): Incorrect checksum in table [OEMB] - D, > > should be 8 [20070320] > > This looks ungood. You maybe should quote the earlier dmesgs re ACPI > too. This sounds like an issue to take to the acpi@freebsd.org list. Hum, about ACPI, if I remember well, there is a BIOS option to enable/disable ACPI 2 tables. I will take a look at that. > > > > est0: on cpu0 > > est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized. > > est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 61a4c2006004c20 > > device_attach: est0 attach returned 6 > > 6 = fail. Either bad vendor ACPI (you've not mentioned what vendor or > model) or maybe an older FreeBSD version than would recognise your cpu > revision; you may need to run 7-STABLE or a 7.1 beta; dunno about 6.4. > > Either way, EST isn't functioning, or you'd have a larger range of freqs > available than these eight, and milliWatt figures instead of those -1. > There's no sign of 2.66GHz either, if that's expected? 2.66 GHz isn't expected, the CPU is an Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 @ 2.5 GHz. It's one of the newest 45nm CPUs that were released in August 2008. The motherboard is an ASUS P5KPL-CM and the BIOS is updated to the latest version. > > > > p4tcc0: on cpu0 > > p4tcc attached ok. That's what provides the 8 freqs you have, in 12.5% > steps from 8/8 downto 1/8 of the base freq. While this helps control > temperature it's not as effective as EST (which also modifies cpu core > voltage) for managing power use, so you need to locate that problem. > > > cpu1: on acpi0 > > est1: on cpu1 > > est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized. > > est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 61a4c2006004c20 > > device_attach: est1 attach returned 6 > > Ditto, and presumably you have a p4tcc1 as as well? Yes. > > > > Why do I get this error? > > > > I found this problem with my machine after I looked at an article > > telling that the new 45nm Intel CPUs were idling at around 3-4W when > > Speedstep is decreasing their frequency. And I guess it means that > > I've been running my server at 1.25 GHz all the time since I > > installed it, which would explain why some compiling jobs were slow! > > Sure. Why it starts at 50% I don't know, unless something thinks there > is a temperature problem? Anyway, you need powerd, and you likely need > to check the acpi@ list about getting your EST working .. you may even > need a BIOS upgrade or hacking on your ACPI ASL, but hopefully not .. > > And post them more details; at least the full /var/run/dmesg.boot and > the results of 'sysctl hw.acpi dev.cpu' .. saving rounds of questions. About the 50%, if I check the CPU frequency in the BIOS, it is always at 50%, probably because there is not much possible CPU load in configuring it. My Core 2 Duo desktop computer has a similar behaviour if I check the frequency when idle, either under Windows, Linux or in the BIOS. The max CPU frequency is 2.66 GHz and it always idles at 2 GHz. > > > cheers, Ian Thanks, Gabriel -- Gabriel Lavoie glavoie@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 12:58:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F448106567B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD1F8FC0C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:58:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 07:58:43 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id KMO95761; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 07:58:39 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18750.27518.886354.175524@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:58:38 -0500 To: "Zbigniew Szalbot" In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0812090312w3898a493vff0e633cd3a32f6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <94136a2c0812090242k2ee688bbx8015efb2c5c1fafd@mail.gmail.com> <94136a2c0812090312w3898a493vff0e633cd3a32f6b@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing a php5-pcre extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:58:45 -0000 Zbigniew Szalbot writes: > >> Am I safe just deleting it? Or do I have to rebuild all the > >> above listed ports? > >> Leaving it as is is probably not a good idea... > > > > Presumably, if you delete it, the listed packages will stop working. > > One more thought - I commented out the pcre extension in the ini file > and restarted apache after which everything seems to be working fine. > > So I wonder if I am safe to delete it or if not, then how would you > advise me to proceed to keep the system clean. Many thanks! As I understand it: a) the port works by installing a library b) dependant ports search for the library, not the port c) if the (exact same) library (as determined by version number) is installed by some other port, the change should be transparent and the dependant ports should and not try to (re)build anything. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:12:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDF31065670 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:12:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D2A8FC24 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:12:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so1585039mue.3 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:12:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pu+Z7w+Lv4/o+++60MfiLUBE8qDYx5SN9CEXmHDD9C4=; b=PzUKRG4ppjxuhMnIYfOFlThENc78Ghf3zVgmZY6cLhDlq9qxAeda2NnV+QEs4Qopm7 ij4n2kH9g2HVndX5fPHQhqeQ1YvEuKyQalUUayHoTj13kDy6JhT8ZACDP4MRhy6zZpHj FIJmvSWmH5/OGItW6d2g2dvs0b+hQKIDpVGe0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=boBx0V+dwgDY7lQOgz0Vl8XxCEhlBmPPTAhPWNlJOcgctvqyicmgKFi8OHTzcI0+CQ WabYjklRoDQPMZHKjdeKsctE50zbtWOkaeBvO/ksUCfg6nu+y5nurHZAZOOgIFWiVjDc qq/rOsZ3FIVr0lpxQIBybM/aIZ1QdNd7bXYak= Received: by 10.223.106.12 with SMTP id v12mr108862fao.16.1228828333409; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.119.19 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:12:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0812090512v1812a416jbfbe29a62ba3e941@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:12:13 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Robert Huff" In-Reply-To: <18750.27518.886354.175524@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <94136a2c0812090242k2ee688bbx8015efb2c5c1fafd@mail.gmail.com> <94136a2c0812090312w3898a493vff0e633cd3a32f6b@mail.gmail.com> <18750.27518.886354.175524@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Cc: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing a php5-pcre extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:12:15 -0000 Hello, >> One more thought - I commented out the pcre extension in the ini file >> and restarted apache after which everything seems to be working fine. >> >> So I wonder if I am safe to delete it or if not, then how would you >> advise me to proceed to keep the system clean. Many thanks! > > As I understand it: > a) the port works by installing a library > b) dependant ports search for the library, not the port > c) if the (exact same) library (as determined by version > number) is installed by some other port, the change should be > transparent and the dependant ports should and not try to (re)build > anything. Thank you Robert! It does help a lot. Time to do some cleaning then. :) -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.faitrade.net.pl www.slowo.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:17:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB4F1065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: from srvdmz13.oekb.co.at (srvdmz13.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF868FC1D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: from msc01-n1 [143.245.2.187] by srvdmz13.oekb.co.at - SurfControl E-mail Filter (6.0.0); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:17:27 +0100 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at ([143.245.9.16]) by MAIL1.oekb.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:17:27 +0100 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9DHR1a005541 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:17:27 +0100 Received: (from ej@localhost) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mB9DHRpt005540 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:17:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: aurora.oekb.co.at: ej set sender to a@jenisch.at using -f Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:17:27 +0100 From: Ewald Jenisch To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081209131727.GA2997@aurora.oekb.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2008 13:17:27.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B59EAC0:01C95A00] X-SEF-ZeroHour-RefID: fgs=0 X-SEF-7853D99-ADF1-478E-8894-213D316B8FFA: 1 X-SEF-Processed: 6_0_0_39__2008_12_09_14_17_27 Subject: 7.1 - with x.org 7.4? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:17:30 -0000 Hi, Does anybody out there know if FreeBSD 7.1 will come out with X.org 7.4 (or still 7.3)? Thanks much in advance for any clue, -ewald From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:23:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08E51065676 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itavy@itavy.com) Received: from gateway01.websitewelcome.com (gateway01.websitewelcome.com [67.18.53.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79FF48FC16 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itavy@itavy.com) Received: (qmail 23734 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 13:44:34 -0000 Received: from gator482.hostgator.com (67.18.18.122) by gateway01.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 13:44:34 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48514) by gator482.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LA2Z2-0002yF-0A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:23:47 -0600 Received: from 86.55.4.142 ([86.55.4.142]) by www.itavy.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:23:47 -0600 Message-ID: <20081209072347.37r28qea8ccoc0ko@www.itavy.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:23:47 -0600 From: Octavian Ionescu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator482.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - itavy.com Subject: UPS Gembird 1200VA X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:23:51 -0000 hi, i have received an Gembird UPS 1200 VA for one of the servers and i am trying to get it work. The main problem is that the cd came with a compiled aplication for linux and with linux_base-fc8 installed it does not detect it. the apcupsd does not recognize it either. is there a way to make this work under FreeBSD? #usbdevs -d addr 1: UHCI root hub, VIA uhub0 addr 2: UPS USB MON V1.4, ? ugen0 #uname -a FreeBSD bkvideo 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #1: Tue Dec 9 11:23:41 UTC 2008 itavy@bkvideo:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BKVIDEO i386 Thank you, -- Octavian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:32:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E60C1065676 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:32:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A53F8FC1B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:32:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:54486 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LA2h2-0003xm-3Q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:32:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 18340 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 14:32:01 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:32:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 19203 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Dec 2008 14:32:01 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:32:01 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Ewald Jenisch Message-ID: <20081209133201.GA19186@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <20081209131727.GA2997@aurora.oekb.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081209131727.GA2997@aurora.oekb.co.at> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1LA2h2-0003xm-3Q. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1LA2h2-0003xm-3Q c3f0c1c0ae55fef5b09a204f84801b2d Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.1 - with x.org 7.4? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:32:10 -0000 On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 02:17:27PM +0100, Ewald Jenisch wrote: > Hi, > > Does anybody out there know if FreeBSD 7.1 will come out with X.org > 7.4 (or still 7.3)? > > Thanks much in advance for any clue, > -ewald X.org 7.4 has not been imported into the ports system yet, and this far into the release process it is too late to update such an important port - too much risk of something going wrong. The X.org port(s) will probably be updated to 7.4 not too long after FreeBSD 7.1 has been released and the dust has settled. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:36:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835DD1065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C5F8FC1B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so678451eyi.7 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ap5eTg8Cg9p+V8C4jv7Aavj2k57RTtf9Brd/srtdL9U=; b=DgYcsd17YultJLtc29xOSEf75s7K0sBJtt4YOqNjbD8IesaCAzAHuWi6CgcfDBSnsG EarUbMB7AC29GhSCg7QwxF3oq+lcvtbdGkxkf/h5VDdnEDpCccshVxnLFnyYQSHKtgg8 y+kgKmEpyewcGsdTtGnZ47sERV21sD9CRtPRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WEF9LLiytRpb3M9nCFg+ZtlY5vgGyhHq6f3Oxns8wZ820mKF+cn4uxCNYidXaj35i/ NaAgtie25aLtoqxKIFx4r/OoVVu2/rC3heC8sX+GtNniXuJyM/bTBlbIpwZssKsS1Y+f ahEj7u7d3ZSab92LGGYw0MvYvQDIGF7SgLnmU= Received: by 10.210.119.5 with SMTP id r5mr146898ebc.89.1228829769603; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-4448612.home.otenet.gr [79.129.209.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i4sm12967796nfh.60.2008.12.09.05.36.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493E7444.30207@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:36:04 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Octavian Ionescu References: <20081209072347.37r28qea8ccoc0ko@www.itavy.com> In-Reply-To: <20081209072347.37r28qea8ccoc0ko@www.itavy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS Gembird 1200VA X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:36:11 -0000 Octavian Ionescu wrote: > hi, > > i have received an Gembird UPS 1200 VA for one of the servers and i am > trying to get it work. The main problem is that the cd came with a > compiled aplication for linux and with linux_base-fc8 installed it > does not detect it. > the apcupsd does not recognize it either. > > is there a way to make this work under FreeBSD? > > #usbdevs -d > addr 1: UHCI root hub, VIA > uhub0 > addr 2: UPS USB MON V1.4, ? > ugen0 > #uname -a > FreeBSD bkvideo 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #1: Tue Dec 9 > 11:23:41 UTC 2008 itavy@bkvideo:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BKVIDEO i386 > > Thank you, I am not familiar with this model, but you could try sysutils/nut. It supports a large number os UPSes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:49:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5231065675 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7CC8FC08 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9DnP3H033953; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:49:26 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:49:24 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Gabriel Lavoie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081209233239.F94168@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20081209030117.BDE66106575E@hub.freebsd.org> <20081209163440.J94168@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 and Enhanced Speedstep X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:49:30 -0000 On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Gabriel Lavoie wrote: > 2008/12/9 Ian Smith > > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:37:09 -0500 Gabriel Lavoie > > wrote: [ skipping lots until you've seen how powerd goes on it .. and please drop gmail's HTML attachments on messages to the FreeBSD lists] > [wildchild@headless ~]$ uname -a > FreeBSD headless.mutehq.net 7.0-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p6 #0: Mon > Nov 24 10:59:10 UTC 2008 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Ok. If updated est code isn't in 7.0p6 you maybe could apply a patch if you won't be upgrading to 7.1, assuming I'm right about recent new code. > > This looks ungood. You maybe should quote the earlier dmesgs re ACPI > > too. This sounds like an issue to take to the acpi@freebsd.org list. > > Hum, about ACPI, if I remember well, there is a BIOS option to > enable/disable ACPI 2 tables. I will take a look at that. There may be some BIOS stuff about SpeedStep options too. Basically you should expect FreeBSD to ignore BIOS settings, except how they influence the ACPI implementation, but some BIOSes can contain surprises. > > Either way, EST isn't functioning, or you'd have a larger range of freqs > > available than these eight, and milliWatt figures instead of those -1. > > There's no sign of 2.66GHz either, if that's expected? > > 2.66 GHz isn't expected, the CPU is an Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 @ 2.5 > GHz. It's one of the newest 45nm CPUs that were released in August 2008. The > motherboard is an ASUS P5KPL-CM and the BIOS is updated to the latest > version. Cool. I vaguely recall seeing recent est patches for some newer cpus, but not having one myself, I didn't pay much attention. Check the last few months of the freebsd-acpi archives for suitable looking subjects. [..] > > > I found this problem with my machine after I looked at an article > > > telling that the new 45nm Intel CPUs were idling at around 3-4W when > > > Speedstep is decreasing their frequency. And I guess it means that I suspect 3-4W, even per core, would be at a much lower freq than 1GHz, probably nearer the minimum of ~125MHz. > > > I've been running my server at 1.25 GHz all the time since I > > > installed it, which would explain why some compiling jobs were slow! > > > > Sure. Why it starts at 50% I don't know, unless something thinks there > > is a temperature problem? Anyway, you need powerd, and you likely need > > to check the acpi@ list about getting your EST working .. you may even > > need a BIOS upgrade or hacking on your ACPI ASL, but hopefully not .. > > > > And post them more details; at least the full /var/run/dmesg.boot and > > the results of 'sysctl hw.acpi dev.cpu' .. saving rounds of questions. > > About the 50%, if I check the CPU frequency in the BIOS, it is always at > 50%, probably because there is not much possible CPU load in configuring it. No, if it were based on load while looking at the BIOS it'd show you the lowest speed for sure. This sounds like a selection more than a report? > My Core 2 Duo desktop computer has a similar behaviour if I check the > frequency when idle, either under Windows, Linux or in the BIOS. The max CPU > frequency is 2.66 GHz and it always idles at 2 GHz. 2GHz is hardly idling .. maybe there's a BIOS option affecting that too, but it should only affect the starting freq, which powerd should ignore. Under powerd it should drop right back at idle. In fact there've been problems with some machines dropping back to 125, 100, even 75MHz under no or very light load, such that interactive responsiveness is shot and some processes needing fast interrupt response (bursts of wifi traffic, for one) have had issues, prompting some recent new work on algorithms for powerd on SMP systems. See cpufreq(4) about all this, and especially you might want to set debug.cpufreq.lowest to some sensible minimum freq, say 3-500MHz? The acpi@ list is really a better place for this; not too many of the heavy hitters there seem to have much spare time to read questions@ and where I'm mostly just an interested bystander, trying to learn :) cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:52:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9731065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kingedgar@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809978FC0C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kingedgar@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1643040rvf.43 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:52:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hyOZnPK/DQ0ewSeDt59MKKhEyqlO2uIbhC+Ifgl5Cz8=; b=b5RWPUlQPBfQ1sti+RoXze1LSOkei2i/Ilwx/SV3xU1K237dmZheaifHu+7G1UB5hs vuPL2TvJQBQ6ikgGu6iHekPiAY0voXNs7pnsaL/DxxRpgJLrt8++5z+kR9TuhKfUkFgW aj3kZreb3EQAcN/o3lLsKbBVZvA+63ijm5D0c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Or7OKw0c+LfMy7TDgtMBbZBRriN3eV+DdOXWjsglR0gxPkVrfQpEnnEVylhwpGT33h VrkBIeppo+QcHpjxGOYx46koycASy+9rf2sJS6OQ0Bl6hWB3Gl1Y3nfjKkyUDhUivvJf TzYEQK9fKJqXGoC1LWdU96Qmpq/pSuMYpM9Ng= Received: by 10.140.132.4 with SMTP id f4mr41739rvd.291.1228829052142; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.142.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:24:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <970380130812090524w3867b94fg1775b2d0b87b329e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:24:12 -0600 From: "Jason Garrett" To: "Michal Hanula" In-Reply-To: <20081208140403.GD52317@roo.7f000001.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1226111879.1220.9.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081208140403.GD52317@roo.7f000001.org> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Messenger servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:52:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Michal Hanula wrote: > On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 12:37:58PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >> I haven't checked the list for around a week- I'm still catching up! :) >> >> I'm trying to sort out a messenger server for work purposes, and >> although I've found a few I'm hoping some input from sysadmins who have >> deployed these might help our decision. I've found Gale, Jabberd2, >> OpenFire, and SJECS (Sun Java Communication Suite). >> >> Our requirements are for collaboration (multiple users simultaneous >> chatting together- with audio/video if possible), realtime audio/video >> (with a preference for audio; ergo video can go to the dogs to maintain >> audio quality, although a means to adjust this- on the fly if possible- >> would be useful), and chat. >> >> Tall order, eh? Ease of admin would be good, but my main concern is >> stability and reliability (I'll make up a software solution to >> administrate if needs be). > Take a look at mingle (MUC + jingle) --- this should not depend on the xmpp > server you use. As for that, I recommend ejabberd 2 (not yet in ports). I would recommend ejabberd, and I didn't even know there was a 2 version out. We used ejabberd successfully in the past. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEUEARECAAYFAkk+cXsACgkQ3tarMS/wOCz1mwCY3RMammpzlb3zo8PNBdFCd/fB 5QCgiM23ZfaBHVx73j93flb+fOyvAw4= =uHC1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:01:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061211065675 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA3B8FC17 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so667616yxb.13 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:01:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nHoK8ZWgLl7gaFA9f+dedDYClefFl0FWAb+lx+twg8s=; b=iGR/A5UiLX1iVXBs91r/yT5h1HzhalgvgTN0iqNRtZntLZCi/WRUnCuEHGDFRYEdwl xSbZ/xa3gU1eCuFYVRgOc/B6ZQ7fag57ihaaVlSnk0mZeJHAQMsqgQI2Yz4aeJzA7WED pekx/QM59VXKXhIO/W90xD2ThnxklJOiF8wPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=QI6tUNhUpqf8HA0+L4l/1ebGGc1M2rx5XVuxHYtVurGKQOZMmBmf/SMsJvHpjWJsqm Kw4th+ZxKoeiKw0hbkT3CP/hzBCtioOBOMda9yRRZJlT6wM6+qX8KfVRgKsUsX2BtnxF 4KkA0608dT/u2O7MwZF1yWRNHWEKQWeN6p/VU= Received: by 10.151.85.9 with SMTP id n9mr86919ybl.41.1228831317199; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.196.11 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:01:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <27ade5280812090601i1d10e893mc99d66733fb708ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:01:55 -0500 From: APseudoUtopia To: "Zbigniew Szalbot" In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0812082358i31788448k4fde9fe555efb0cc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <94136a2c0812082358i31788448k4fde9fe555efb0cc@mail.gmail.com> Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/local/lib/php/20060613/gd.so X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:01:59 -0000 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Hi, > > I have upgraded php to 5.2.8 because of security notices and then got > this problem. > > PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library > '/usr/local/lib/php/20060613/gd.so' - > /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/gd.so: Undefined symbol > "gdImageCreateFromXpm" in Unknown on line 0 > > It comes from one of the php scripts run by cron. I googled and found > out Roberto's advice what to do (in short reinstall php5-gd): > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-May/149974.html > > It seems to have solved this issue. I am mentioning it in case someone > runs across the same problem. > > Have a nice day! > > -- I've run across this problem several times while upgrading PHP. You just gotta reinstall the various PHP extensions until it fixes the problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:07:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC861065675 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:07:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC528FC18 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:07:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from [84.92.153.232] (helo=curlew.milibyte.co.uk) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LA3Fk-0008Eo-BG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:07:56 +0000 Received: by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LA3Fj-0001PI-TT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:07:56 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:07:55 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <94136a2c0812090242k2ee688bbx8015efb2c5c1fafd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0812090242k2ee688bbx8015efb2c5c1fafd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812091407.55755.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Plusnet-Relay: 4ebbbc831e7db08ce22d6c6bca75ec15 Subject: Re: removing a php5-pcre extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:07:58 -0000 On Tuesday 09 December 2008, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Hello, > > Now that pcre is included in the base installation, how do I remove > it? > > $ pkg_delete -nv php5-pcre-5.2.6_2 > pkg_delete: package 'php5-pcre-5.2.6_2' is required by these other > packages and may not be deinstalled: > pear-1.7.2 > pear-Auth-1.6.1 > pear-Auth_SASL-1.0.2 > pear-DB-1.7.13,1 > pear-Log-1.10.1 > pear-Mail_Mime-1.5.2,1 > pear-Mail_mimeDecode-1.5.0 > pear-Net_SMTP-1.3.0 > pear-Net_Socket-1.0.8 > pear-Pager-2.4.6 > pecl-filter-0.11.0 > php5-extensions-1.2 > phpMyAdmin-3.1.0 > smarty-2.6.19 > pkg_delete: 1 package deletion(s) failed > > Am I safe just deleting it? Or do I have to rebuild all the above > listed ports? Leaving it as is is probably not a good idea... /usr/ports/UPDATING seems to imply you should be OK to force delete it - 20081207: AFFECTS: users of lang/php5 AUTHOR: pav@FreeBSD.org As of php 5.2.7, pcre extension is distributed with the core php5 package, and not as a standalone module anymore. Follow these steps to update your installation: Portupgrade users: pkg_delete -f php5-pcre-5.2.6 pkgdb -F portupgrade as usual -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:24:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58AE1065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:24:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BDF8FC08 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so688656eyi.7 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.137.14 with SMTP id k14mr177150ebd.175.1228832694601; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (host-82-44-127-245.static.telewest.net [82.44.127.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6sm154881gve.2.2008.12.09.06.24.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:24:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493E7FAF.5060107@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:24:47 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions-list freebsd References: 493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk <493D53A9.3000106@janh.de> In-Reply-To: <493D53A9.3000106@janh.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:24:56 -0000 Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > Robin wrote: > > I'm just wondering if it is possible to install FreeBSD from inside a > > bootstrap operating system such as a knoppix or ubuntu preinstall? > > http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2008-01-29-depenguinator-2.0.html > > Cheers, > Jan Henrik > well I tried pretty hard with the depenguinator, but it doesn't work for me. I have an 8.10 ubuntu system with swap on sda5. I had to fix a buglet related to ARG_MAX being missing while compiling glob.c, but otherwise the build seemed to work. Have done all the suggested fixes ie making the partition bootable, changing the type to freebsd, but at boot time I get "12 : Invalid device requested.". I suspect there's some residual problem related to not having exactly the same setup as the author's. One thing I noticed is that the bootsector is not built with knowledge of the target partition, but I don't know exactly how I could fix that, but presumably it's supposed to boot as freebsd. I see it sets partition to 4, 50000 sectors size. -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:52:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46071065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:52:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glavoie@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599F88FC1B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:52:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glavoie@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1840fgb.35 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:52:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=y5o++9+/+ybUG6HFzEYcAcPbvK632KJhSrX8M1nQtnM=; b=rlbg+MKAyw5bp+VGiS7Q/JydTSDxP3jDlqJaiFVCnx6NTY46eP7NReKUHifmaHaEhN 0beFizgB/LCEsxEFhx54YdSfIKg2S+sfj16eGraZQXiUWnDJnKYztkfdXWeB0TrlD+2H zMFnhPqPaWZDkRIkOdIDrzDkDQP/BTlATXO3c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=l44r9MxsAdG8cAW334piLpo0FAQMc2UpagcSneEl/niT4qE1c0x23960ZH+lcniV0C 5BovKkY2FAjqORteBqzXWx2Fw6Pu6IVGZ8t97RpgSXAmWQDTN+VbJ2xPXseihV4Y8HmG iCy7/ZAxRKfIw6MoJWBjZuzItWEIo2wk08wg0= Received: by 10.181.148.3 with SMTP id a3mr64489bko.74.1228834347382; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.16.18 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:52:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:52:26 -0500 From: "Gabriel Lavoie" To: "Ian Smith" In-Reply-To: <20081209233239.F94168@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081209030117.BDE66106575E@hub.freebsd.org> <20081209163440.J94168@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20081209233239.F94168@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 and Enhanced Speedstep X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:52:30 -0000 2008/12/9 Ian Smith > [ skipping lots until you've seen how powerd goes on it .. and please > drop gmail's HTML attachments on messages to the FreeBSD lists] I found the option to disable HTML in the reply. Is it better now? I enabled powerd and it seems to work for now. > Ok. If updated est code isn't in 7.0p6 you maybe could apply a patch if > you won't be upgrading to 7.1, assuming I'm right about recent new code. I do plan to upgrade to 7.1 when it's out as it will probably include the driver for my onboard network adapter. > There may be some BIOS stuff about SpeedStep options too. Basically you > should expect FreeBSD to ignore BIOS settings, except how they influence > the ACPI implementation, but some BIOSes can contain surprises. Yes, there are options about SpeedStep. > I suspect 3-4W, even per core, would be at a much lower freq than 1GHz, > probably nearer the minimum of ~125MHz. The < 5W consumption isn't even at the lowest speed. The 45nm CPUs are supposed to have an excellent power efficiency. Under Windows/Linux, Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology (EIST) doesn't step down the frequency at the lowest value possible. On my C2D (65nm), like I said, it drops to 2 GHz from 2.66. It seems the idle power consumption of those C2D is around 15W. With EIST on the 45nm Intel CPUs, the idle power usage has been tested to be under 4W with a quad-core unit, and this is not at the lowest possible frequency. The 1.25 GHz frequency I see in the BIOS is probably related to the frequency step down EIST automatically does as with my C2D, the BIOS always shows 2 GHz but under Windows/Linux, when the CPU is working, the frequency comes back to 2.66 GHz. I guess that the FreeBSD est driver needs to work with my processor to enable this behaviour. See this: http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/203838.htm http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-penryn-4ghz-air-cooling,1712-13.html > No, if it were based on load while looking at the BIOS it'd show you the > lowest speed for sure. This sounds like a selection more than a report? No, it's a report. > 2GHz is hardly idling .. maybe there's a BIOS option affecting that too, > but it should only affect the starting freq, which powerd should ignore. The 2 GHz is the stop down EIST does when the CPU is idling. I was surprised to see this when I got my C2D last January. I was wondering why the CPU was at 2 GHz when it was supposed to be running at 2.66 GHz. > > Under powerd it should drop right back at idle. In fact there've been > problems with some machines dropping back to 125, 100, even 75MHz under > no or very light load, such that interactive responsiveness is shot and > some processes needing fast interrupt response (bursts of wifi traffic, > for one) have had issues, prompting some recent new work on algorithms > for powerd on SMP systems. I noticed that after I enabled powerd. At 313 MHz with my system the responsiveness took a hit. I enabled powerd with those parameters and it seems to step up the frequency quickly enough. Responsiveness doesn't seems to be a problem with a polling time of 100ms. powerd_flags="-i 90 -r 90 -p 100" > > See cpufreq(4) about all this, and especially you might want to set > debug.cpufreq.lowest to some sensible minimum freq, say 3-500MHz? > > The acpi@ list is really a better place for this; not too many of the > heavy hitters there seem to have much spare time to read questions@ and > where I'm mostly just an interested bystander, trying to learn :) I'll ask there if there are still problems after I check my BIOS settings tonight. > > cheers, Ian Gabriel -- Gabriel Lavoie glavoie@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 17:19:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE6F1065677 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:19:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5E38FC16 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9HJ9I9019690 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:19:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id mB9HJ9kq019687 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:19:09 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:19:09 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be To: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: add/change/delete dhcpd.conf entries X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:19:11 -0000 In a DHCP server managing fixed IP addresses, one needs to make changes often: new people need their Mac address given a IP addres, people leaving need to be deleted, people changing an old for a new computer need a Mac address change for the same IP, etc... All this information is recorded in the /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf file. I know, there is the omapi command shell (/usr/local/bin/omshell) but as far as I can see, you can only use it interactively. Or am I wrong? I would love to have a simple command line tool that allows you to make changes to your dhcpd.conf file without needing to use an editor or omapi. e.g. for a new entry, something like: # dhcpdmgr -A 175.134.34.128 -c "John.Adams PC" -i "00:34:1A:23:4A:0F" 175.134.34 which would add IP 175.134.34.128 in subnet 175.134.3 for mac address 00:34:1A:23:4A:0F with a comment "John.Adams PC" and with other options for delete (-D), make changes to comment, IP or Mac, etc... Does anyone have such a command line tool? With that command line tool one can easily make a wrapper script, presenting you with a menu of frequent operations, and with extensive checking of your input data. I use such a wrapper script, making use of Solaris pntadm (DHCP network table management utility) command line tool. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 18:19:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB26106564A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:19:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f19.google.com (mail-fx0-f19.google.com [209.85.220.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864588FC14 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so21447fxm.19 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:19:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HvjAtO+yc/gqEEydg0K67RJSH4p6XjahNqb70qyD/rk=; b=E6K8l1MSuz4oavfpVYMxDjfQz5ibU9udu5Yjf6fHP2sR3nEZw6uCJG5AAxvOfFKjKi I/8rUYkKzVY4drw+2VgGRO/G4TlU9HLOGczCaqRwrZUfZwnNlzB5I6b0bEJB8A9f9Ox9 G5WbGYHIGRq0sKMedmJB+AaNa7FAUASe4CYZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=DBDp/4hXjT9KcejlpoyDq5RBxYyXeFsniyNtJbS4//iIuY7hB5nDcetujEiCqTed4U V+MmS/54Va1p9L8/CiSiuHzltAijFYYpUGBjv4G3Zs7k3XQjDZl6rJqUuvQe9/CaBsLY 0LdkfsVImZTw/ztbI5SI5wunYLfNBXKzv1yfI= Received: by 10.223.113.83 with SMTP id z19mr422641fap.73.1228846371260; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:12:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.206 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:12:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <991123400812091012s5f9eac91i72724d8d834014b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:12:51 +0300 From: "Odhiambo Washington" To: "Pieter Donche" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: add/change/delete dhcpd.conf entries X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:19:38 -0000 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Pieter Donche wrote: > In a DHCP server managing fixed IP addresses, one needs to make changes > often: new people need their Mac address given a IP addres, people leaving > need to be deleted, people changing an old for a new computer need a Mac > address change for the same IP, etc... > > All this information is recorded in the /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf file. > I know, there is the omapi command shell (/usr/local/bin/omshell) but as > far as I can see, you can only use it interactively. Or am I wrong? > > I would love to have a simple command line tool that allows you to make > changes to your dhcpd.conf file without needing to use an > editor or omapi. > > e.g. for a new entry, something like: > # dhcpdmgr -A 175.134.34.128 -c "John.Adams PC" -i "00:34:1A:23:4A:0F" > 175.134.34 > which would add IP 175.134.34.128 in subnet 175.134.3 for mac address > 00:34:1A:23:4A:0F with a comment "John.Adams PC" > > and with other options for delete (-D), make changes to comment, IP or Mac, > etc... > > Does anyone have such a command line tool? Webmin will easily allow you to do that! Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, unlike our MPs!" -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 18:30:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BE21065670 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:30:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from betts@norden1.com) Received: from picard.norden1.com (adsl-76-215-134-130.dsl.toldoh.sbcglobal.net [76.215.134.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DFD8FC0C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:30:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from betts@norden1.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picard.norden1.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800BA33C1F for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from picard.norden1.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (picard.norden1.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27963-07 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.norden1.com (picard.norden1.com [192.168.2.116]) by picard.norden1.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD3B33C1A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 72.241.128.255 (SquirrelMail authenticated user betts@norden1.com) by webmail.norden1.com with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:19:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6084f9ea1436bfd1de31289a7213e5aa.squirrel@webmail.norden1.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:19:06 -0500 (EST) From: betts@norden1.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: PHP 5 not updating X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:30:16 -0000 I have ran portsnap fetch and portsnap update when I run portupgrade -rR php5 I receive this error: locutus# portupgrade -rR php5 [Gathering depends for lang/php5 ............................ done] [Gathering depends for databases/php5-pdo .. done] [Gathering depends for lang/php5-extensions ............................................................/usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/set.rb:257:in `merge': value must be enumerable (ArgumentError) from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:874:in `get_all_depends' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/set.rb:189:in `each' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/set.rb:189:in `each_key' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/set.rb:189:in `each' from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:873:in `get_all_depends' from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:874:in `get_all_depends' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/set.rb:189:in `each' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/set.rb:189:in `each_key' ... 16 levels... from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/optparse.rb:785:in `initialize' from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:229:in `new' from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:229:in `main' from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:2208 I have rerun portsnap fetch and portsnap update and still get same results Any idea what is causing this and how to fix it? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 20:06:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17181065670 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from js.lists@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9828FC1D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from js.lists@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so71740ywe.13 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:06:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=lMzbMtQe7Y4pRb1fW7nGMHyUWwgp4FUzAbpTd9d6Sbs=; b=pNL6jxn0PE1aFCIWDVsdGVPV05cmQEODCokbgDigEtm1eVk6Jkxor7i90g9q+/Dy29 5BIKl0v8x4KujWZYx11qNVNcXnC0WxMcBVujWHF2TfZlG7gRuav0g9m54JlsCs4DF54w 6Z0pIOJ/+xonNbyoNrKpVUhIZwm1jY7CZ1UuY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Vy0LV3yZhjFUE/GuKGMQZtffi4oVPz9n6ofYR75b0oodQq1QmgWGvXqehORTAAlhLQ Fk/dz5B1fD3xU6DGsmJ60pNQByKA9YutMnRaDzuRep4hJB9y0UlRoXYXC4Ccz7FvV1Ex lmzR9/cEzZ0J8iRRDm9ozRw31S+9fzAT7WjD4= Received: by 10.114.176.1 with SMTP id y1mr345587wae.49.1228851393109; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.151.20 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:36:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:36:33 -0800 From: "Joe S" To: freebsd-questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: FreeBSD update warns about 7.0 end of life X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:06:18 -0000 When running freebsd-update on FreeBSD 7.0, I noticed this message: WARNING: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 20:17:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6741065670 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3D68FC19 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 15:17:54 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id KMP78792; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 15:17:50 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18750.53868.986698.928834@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:17:48 -0500 To: "Joe S" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: FreeBSD update warns about 7.0 end of life X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:17:55 -0000 Joe S writes: > When running freebsd-update on FreeBSD 7.0, I noticed this message: > > WARNING: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. Key concept: "RELEASE". Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 20:31:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540641065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:31:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B05D8FC1A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:31:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-210-197.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.210.197]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mB9KVBkU054062 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:31:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493ED58E.6080307@rawbw.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:31:10 -0800 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: wireless scan: 'ifconfig scan' hangs often X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:31:12 -0000 I use wireless with this device: ath0: mem 0xcffe0000-0xcffeffff irq 16 at device 5.0 on pci0 and very often (most of the times) 'ifconfig ath0 scan' hangs. First time I do scan it usually succeeds but the second and subsequent runs of this command hang in 50+% of cases. It hangs equally when I am trying to run this command when network is associated and running and down. Is this a bug in driver or what the problem might be? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 20:51:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337D9106564A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from netuno.levier.com.br (netuno.levier.com.br [201.47.3.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930728FC12 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from levier.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netuno.levier.com.br (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB99lc5S004219; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:51:53 -0200 (BRST) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (levier.com.br) Received: from [189.32.5.42] (authenticated as k1) by levier.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 20:51:52 -0000 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio?= de Almeida Lenzi To: yuri@rawbw.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <493ED58E.6080307@rawbw.com> References: <493ED58E.6080307@rawbw.com> Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=-AaKfU/7U7h3ZGe3AN2c1" Organization: Lzt Tecnologia Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:51:50 -0200 Message-Id: <1228855910.1570.3.camel@k2.cwb.casa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: wireless scan: 'ifconfig scan' hangs often X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lenzi@k1.com.br List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:51:55 -0000 --=-AaKfU/7U7h3ZGe3AN2c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Ter, 2008-12-09 Ă s 12:31 -0800, Yuri escreveu: > I use wireless with this device: > ath0: mem 0xcffe0000-0xcffeffff irq 16 at device 5.0 on pci0 > and very often (most of the times) 'ifconfig ath0 scan' hangs. > > First time I do scan it usually succeeds but the second and subsequent > runs of > this command hang in 50+% of cases. > > It hangs equally when I am trying to run this command when network is > associated and running and down. > > Is this a bug in driver or what the problem might be? > > Yuri Hello Yuri.... try using ifconfig ath0 list scan it will list the contents of the cache in the sip and never hangs.... --=-AaKfU/7U7h3ZGe3AN2c1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 20:56:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84581106567B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:56:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595CF8FC17 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:56:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-210-197.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.210.197]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mB9KuPES064082; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:56:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493EDB78.2020601@rawbw.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:56:24 -0800 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lenzi@k1.com.br References: <493ED58E.6080307@rawbw.com> <1228855910.1570.3.camel@k2.cwb.casa> In-Reply-To: <1228855910.1570.3.camel@k2.cwb.casa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wireless scan: 'ifconfig scan' hangs often X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:56:27 -0000 SĂ©rgio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > > try using ifconfig ath0 list scan > > it will list the contents of the cache in the sip and never hangs.... SĂ©rgio, This works but what if I need to update cache? Cache update hangs. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 21:17:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7C11065673 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:17:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from netuno.levier.com.br (netuno.levier.com.br [201.47.3.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC1D8FC14 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from levier.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netuno.levier.com.br (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB99lc5T004219 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:17:20 -0200 (BRST) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (levier.com.br) Received: from [189.32.5.42] (authenticated as k1) by levier.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:17:19 -0000 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio?= de Almeida Lenzi To: questions In-Reply-To: <493EDB78.2020601@rawbw.com> References: <493ED58E.6080307@rawbw.com> <1228855910.1570.3.camel@k2.cwb.casa> <493EDB78.2020601@rawbw.com> Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=-IC3Cz33wk/e82A9614H+" Organization: Lzt Tecnologia Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:17:17 -0200 Message-Id: <1228857437.1570.9.camel@k2.cwb.casa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: wireless scan: 'ifconfig scan' hangs often X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lenzi@k1.com.br List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:17:20 -0000 --=-IC3Cz33wk/e82A9614H+ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As long as I understand, the chip updates the cache by its self.. so there is no need to deal with the worry about the chip... see options bgscan of ifconfig.... Hope this will help --=-IC3Cz33wk/e82A9614H+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 21:28:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A858106564A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F388FC12 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.23.8.177] (nat-service4.juniper.net [66.129.225.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB9LSGQa092027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <493EE2EB.2070104@enabled.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:28:11 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: bashrc configuration question: syntax error: unexpected end of file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:28:18 -0000 Hi there, I am unable to figure out why I am getting the following error: "-bash: /Users/user/.bashrc: line 10: syntax error: unexpected end of file localhost:~ user$" ------------ Here are the relevant hask configuration files ------ localhost:~ user$ cat .bash_profile if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then source ~/.bashrc fi localhost:~ user$ cat .bashrc #nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $"(ps auxwww | grep [nN]cproxyd | awk '{print $2}')" } nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $(ps auxwww | grep "[nN]cproxyd" | awk '{print $2}') } # enable programmable completion features (you don't need to enable # this, if it's already enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile # sources /etc/bash.bashrc). if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then . /etc/bash_completion fi localhost:~ user$ --- snip --- Cheers, Noah From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 21:59:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110A81065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:59:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A288FC13 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:59:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-75-140.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.75.140]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945CA3CCA6; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:59:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB9Lx9Zi002067; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:59:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:59:08 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Noah Message-Id: <20081209225908.cba4bec0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <493EE2EB.2070104@enabled.com> References: <493EE2EB.2070104@enabled.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: bashrc configuration question: syntax error: unexpected end of file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:59:28 -0000 On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:28:11 -0800, Noah wrote: > Hi there, > > I am unable to figure out why I am getting the following error: "-bash: > /Users/user/.bashrc: line 10: syntax error: unexpected end of file > localhost:~ user$" The only thing that comes into my mind is this line from your .bash_profile: > source ~/.bashrc I'm not sure, but according to the builtin manpage, sh does not understand "source", so maybe bash doesn't, too? For file inclusion, "." is the correct form as it occurs in your .bashrc file. By the way, it would be good if you would include line numbers, using "cat -n ". :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 22:42:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D791065675 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E8098FC16 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77492 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 22:42:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=aFnVjScFJk9idPJgWtVv+6Ac3Y9cH2NwQSlpGXqvByM0xiuvTSNDwafODYaUPcmMVVS+1vbCxMi64VPMx1zrhvFmNkbgI7b1eXDPY0F/kG+MMWwzUclfo4yptzuafIW/SOzyjWlYpClZAD6ERkpYyeHXUCkB16DFH3/PG2AgZ8w= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 22:42:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: grQ96oIVM1kh54KYhUy8r2IRfbAfKKj0PoCZ624.m_ZfilBhLCZ9bh_31gRW2tmIP0nsL91fMK7rNYFnEBc3cr3Jp7oIXdytOi2YtgoepsEWF4JaEBw33HEIhc9ndWIpTx5_lHHacOKtp.E4n5TIh5Z0SAYJAUAnKHb1GxedkBJ46N8sid4WY92Q.iIUKs7B_tCDomYhcgz9mvSY0.dHBbIrxaH.LA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:42:45 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081209174245.40db9129@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <493EE2EB.2070104@enabled.com> References: <493EE2EB.2070104@enabled.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/EKnAhtn/T0qSb7cAJeuD0Kj"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: bashrc configuration question: syntax error: unexpected end of file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:42:56 -0000 --Sig_/EKnAhtn/T0qSb7cAJeuD0Kj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:28:11 -0800 Noah wrote: >Hi there, > >I am unable to figure out why I am getting the following error: >"-bash: /Users/user/.bashrc: line 10: syntax error: unexpected end of >file localhost:~ user$" > > >------------ Here are the relevant hask configuration files ------ > >localhost:~ user$ cat .bash_profile >if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then > source ~/.bashrc >fi >localhost:~ user$ cat .bashrc >#nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $"(ps auxwww | grep [nN]cproxyd | awk '{print=20 >$2}')" } >nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $(ps auxwww | grep "[nN]cproxyd" | awk '{print=20 >$2}') } > ># enable programmable completion features (you don't need to enable ># this, if it's already enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile ># sources /etc/bash.bashrc). >if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then > . /etc/bash_completion >fi >localhost:~ user$ > > > >--- snip --- I once had a similar problem; however the line number given had nothing to do with where the actual error was. In my case, I had a duplicate ';' I believe located in the file. You will probably have to go through the file line by line to locate the problem. Perhaps commenting out sections and seeing if the problem continues might help. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com It destroys one's nerves to be amiable every day to the same human being. -- Benjamin Disraeli --Sig_/EKnAhtn/T0qSb7cAJeuD0Kj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk+9G0ACgkQBvaKIJWWCO3ShQCfTdzuCXo5+8cOUhkWOL6LGyVd xRwAoJd6uZTl0fsudKOfytlcEb3XYUjh =3/l5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/EKnAhtn/T0qSb7cAJeuD0Kj-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 22:51:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD5D1065672 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: from hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (hal.Rescomp.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.70.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E9A8FC16 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: by hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (Postfix, from userid 1225) id 8A33A3C0463; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:51:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:51:35 -0800 From: Christopher Cowart To: Noah Message-ID: <20081209225135.GA3409@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Noah , User Questions References: <493EE2EB.2070104@enabled.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <493EE2EB.2070104@enabled.com> Organization: RSSP-IT, UC Berkeley User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: bashrc configuration question: syntax error: unexpected end of file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:51:36 -0000 --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Noah wrote: > I am unable to figure out why I am getting the following error: "-bash:= =20 > /Users/user/.bashrc: line 10: syntax error: unexpected end of file [...] > localhost:~ user$ cat .bashrc > #nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $"(ps auxwww | grep [nN]cproxyd | awk '{print=20 > $2}')" } > nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $(ps auxwww | grep "[nN]cproxyd" | awk '{print=20 > $2}') } The } is a statement, and must be preceded with a newline or a ;. Try: nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $(ps auxwww | grep "[nN]cproxyd" | awk '{print=20 $2}'); } or nc_fix() {=20 sudo kill -9 $(ps auxwww | grep "[nN]cproxyd" | awk '{print $2}') } Everything that follows right now is part of the definition of nc_fix(). When you get to the end of the file, it says "Hey! I'm still defining a function!" --=20 Chris Cowart Network Technical Lead Network & Infrastructure Services, RSSP-IT UC Berkeley --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAwAGBQJJPvZ3AAoJEIGh6j3cHUNP+wUP+gP+9WDKGSwgxEmoBuhZmkUx a3ZVfO+2aIEjY6+YZOG1mERw9CgDWm2vf+4T/CuFQpZqid2GDJBnKBjTt1oVKHU7 eowLR4nqb1HeBpv1zPw1C+K0MsB1Y4fx0hgGYDvAoof9tnh3rIklGvbdFnXAb88r MtOwd+azbZDRpwCcof51nG9RZ6eyxRUYI+IOt5fweVss0VwEc5ba3/VM9Io8ccR0 WwUpOz0R2HaD/I81ta/3JjjV7GDZ9BXH016eoj1cX8XSPhgERMTsm49fQtwvmtwF ou2qrQiMmF2eN8WTZ/j8etl700TrLoK7avjj9ZNn/Rm9dhvcHiJ5V+Cml2k+WBRx 5gQZm9MJwiWBsV4fYPmZ/YZUhwfNSmQzCI+RR1XLAfNvy26k8JyX+XlZM6mP1zby 1jOEpAppUxY5r5dtPz+r397/VWtYcdwzoOdjx6n2JfQd5HHm98ugtBn6DdchcfVY 8N9+KpQ5Va5DtXJWBBYGLKlqxgfCXvhsj1rLq8XMXP6qdOn+4XrKs/oQvuU3PjOa /1tVDELgzf2TEXlBsiTIovz6Tr3eZZp+PPVOR/pkCpKTcPQ9PKbtkAO/uGtx6Oj6 IlIgYN4SUARcR0Iv1jlgmLlkDSfEbyGTmgSIDYMUfEZbXWpFftJMkSvUYHzkFh1x x5gidlDQA4AJs/MJAb76 =wWPB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 00:19:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75711065670 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA138FC12 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.23.8.177] (nat-service4.juniper.net [66.129.225.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBA0JPlt003377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:19:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <493F0B08.7030007@enabled.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:19:20 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Cowart , User Questions References: <493EE2EB.2070104@enabled.com> <20081209225135.GA3409@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20081209225838.GB3409@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> In-Reply-To: <20081209225838.GB3409@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: bashrc configuration question: syntax error: unexpected end of file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:19:25 -0000 Hi there, Christopher Cowart wrote: > A couple more things I noticed after looking more closely at your actual > command: > > Christopher Cowart wrote: >> nc_fix() { >> sudo kill -9 $(ps auxwww | grep "[nN]cproxyd" | awk '{print $2}') > ^ this is equivalent to: > $(ps auxwww | awk '/[nN]cproxyd/ {print $2}') >> } > > You might also want to check out pkill(1): > > $ sudo pkill -9 '[nN]cproxyd' > > And as an alias: > > $ alias nc_fix="sudo pkill -9 '[nN]cproxyd'" > okay cool, arent there two ways to get nc_fix defined in the .bashrc option 1: like as a function: nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $(ps auxwww | awk '/[nN]cproxyd/ {print $2}') } option 2: as an alias: alias nc_fix="sudo pkill -9 '[nN]cproxyd'" right, Noah From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 00:22:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960E01065672 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E70F8FC14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.23.8.177] (nat-service4.juniper.net [66.129.225.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBA0M1N7003502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:22:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <493F0BA5.50206@enabled.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:21:57 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noah , User Questions References: <493EE2EB.2070104@enabled.com> <20081209225135.GA3409@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> In-Reply-To: <20081209225135.GA3409@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: bashrc configuration question: syntax error: unexpected end of file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:22:04 -0000 Hi, Christopher Cowart wrote: > Noah wrote: >> I am unable to figure out why I am getting the following error: "-bash: >> /Users/user/.bashrc: line 10: syntax error: unexpected end of file > [...] >> localhost:~ user$ cat .bashrc >> #nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $"(ps auxwww | grep [nN]cproxyd | awk '{print >> $2}')" } >> nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $(ps auxwww | grep "[nN]cproxyd" | awk '{print >> $2}') } > > The } is a statement, and must be preceded with a newline or a ;. > > Try: > > nc_fix() { sudo kill -9 $(ps auxwww | grep "[nN]cproxyd" | awk '{print > $2}'); } > > or > > nc_fix() { > sudo kill -9 $(ps auxwww | grep "[nN]cproxyd" | awk '{print $2}') > } > > Everything that follows right now is part of the definition of nc_fix(). > When you get to the end of the file, it says "Hey! I'm still defining a > function!" > Christopher - you are the winner. Please pick up your consolation prize at the door :) Cheers, noah From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 02:08:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3591065678 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:08:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [72.9.101.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B818FC17 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prime.gushi.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBA1kVtB038709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:46:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 prime.gushi.org mBA1kVtB038709 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=prime.gushi.org; s=primegushiorg; t=1228857051; bh=/CwOz7yfUHggJOU1tenyeNqVcWD0HclKG M+47qM0M+k=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=b2/D2rJh4ovtnEYQ9/dWxG0Oiqv/emwq7wsg7kS3Ii2R0kz1Pv E/z1CJZOezQszhqX24/yxBduCmhsG7WM236w== X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v1.0.0 prime.gushi.org mBA1kVtB038709 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=primegushiorg; d=prime.gushi.org; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:user-agent: x-openpgp-key-id:mime-version:content-type; b=pKuaNKEe3dDzJXqjooto1QPz87H6CpZLMYtWALYbhGAZy6J7HVQTF6Zhdw4Ghxx5u nrrM/bIqx+FopRInI5n8g== Received: (from danm@localhost) by prime.gushi.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id mBA1kN7J038687; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:46:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from danm) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:46:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0x624BB249 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (prime.gushi.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Subject: /var/yp/securenets and ipv6? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:08:31 -0000 Hello all... I searched for this everywhere and I guess it's a question that's never been asked. What's the syntax under FreeBSD for ipv6 addresses in "securenets"? Please reply off-list. -Dan Mahoney -- --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 02:35:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3C91065673 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:35:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8308FC14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:35:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD7711A2872; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:35:42 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24443-08; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:35:41 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (blk-224-204-104.eastlink.ca [24.224.204.104]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B605A11A2731; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:35:41 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:35:38 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1EBF6B0D0F2CD9C5E4255890@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: References: <4CF66154353CD7ABCB17FB03@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: QEMU: increase image size with FreeBSD partitions ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:35:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:15:45 +0100 Ivan Voras wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >> I have FreeBSD 7 running in a QEMU VM ... works like a charm, but I'm >> wondering if there is some way of *increasing* the size of the image beyond >> what I configured it for? I'm only finding stuff pertaining to NTFS/FAT32, >> but nothing about Unix in general, or FreeBSD specifically ... >> >> Is there any way of doing this, or do I have to build a new, larger img, and >> copy the data from diskA -> diskB, and reboot on diskB? Doable, but time >> consuming ... > > I don't think there's anything automatic but you can grow the virtual > disk, then modify the last partition size by hand, then use growfs. 'k, that is what I figured, but how do I grow the virtual disk? I've checked the qemu-img man page, and there doesn't appear to be a method of doing this ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkk/KvoACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvOEfQCghv9LtctUGSuagAlFbcEoNrWu udMAnixLBpCcfwOTUVkhjep/2dQSzNaD =YjqB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 02:58:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF941065677 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from khoogc@singnet.com.sg) Received: from smtp14.singnet.com.sg (smtp14.singnet.com.sg [165.21.6.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6328C8FC28 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from khoogc@singnet.com.sg) Received: from localhost (bb121-6-214-58.singnet.com.sg [121.6.214.58]) by smtp14.singnet.com.sg (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBA2wB7G018734 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:58:11 +0800 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:58:13 +0800 (SGT) From: Richard KHOO Guan Chen X-X-Sender: khoogc@localhost.my.domain To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <20081209043837.GA5653@shepherd> Message-ID: <20081210105026.L889@localhost.my.domain> References: <20081209103518.T1048@localhost.my.domain> <20081209043837.GA5653@shepherd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: portaudit -solved X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:58:14 -0000 Thank you Sahil Tandon I have solved the problem. My ISP uses proxy for http (I think) as I have closed off port 80 and opened port 8080, and that has got me to the web with no problem. I have also been able to use ports installation with my ipf firewall setup, so I could not understand why portaudit command failed. I have now opened up port 80 and get the thing working. Your message got me thinking in this direction as you confiremed that the file is from http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports. Once again thanks and apologies for the late reply. On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Sahil Tandon wrote: > Richard KHOO Guan Chen wrote: > >> I have recently installed 6.4 release and tried to do a portausidt -F. >> No go reply was that auditfile.tbz unavailable. > > By default, portaudit fetches the database from www.FreeBSD.org/ports. > What is the output of the following commands on your machine? > > % wget http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz > % fetch -1amp http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz > > Have you created or modified /usr/local/etc/portaudit.conf? > > -- > Sahil Tandon > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 05:15:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5A51065675 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from numardbsd@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9188FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from numardbsd@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so255101rvf.43 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:15:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:face:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DZFx5cDHAOvMi196A2MIQblNQD5Marxi70pGGOZoN9g=; b=WqO1TX3Iy3pet/ZM9lhnJM7LQ6LX8mbQJA40vDNLAJv4gPa9KWU1A66NFT/RQ0zlkD kipDwXIvocv5cLOf2YAxVCncTDR0AZRqt5rIk3dzGShHHdAWqqQ3BWXwLCbvHe5Dxjer ZlM+BOD5ZOtPvLhc/qWxQ+IVjOM6TeKmoIXvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :face:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OVmPRe6cMHIg163NNVQMTBelvZQTrHjMtrpXeX3Dj9JVPy5hx8qkXxFlFzVhp6Dd/g RryGacvFfThFNA1hWUjofQ98Wm5clDaF3TlgYPWaO2PIMmWEOzFxj+y9mOS76E0t8WN0 FNumLbl8SjuDAi0EQP0/eUzb4Y8vB9HKjfcNo= Received: by 10.141.84.5 with SMTP id m5mr451717rvl.175.1228886105510; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayiin (124-170-44-86.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.170.44.86]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g31sm1872369rvb.7.2008.12.09.21.15.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:15:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:14:48 +1100 From: Norberto Meijome To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081210161448.405eaa96@ayiin> In-Reply-To: <493D218E.4010802@gmail.com> References: <20081207141737.GA15666@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <493D218E.4010802@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Locked myself out.. AGAIN!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:15:06 -0000 On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:30:54 -0500 michael wrote: > > does remote machine have ipmi? indeed..or iLO or serial console... you'd be surprised the number of dedicated servers on offer that don't have any out of band access available... i guess it's the option everyone wants once we've been burnt ;) B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome My wish is that your day will be a good one. If not....... May the fleas of one thousand camels infest the crotch of the person who screws up your day and may their arms be too short to scratch. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 05:54:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87CC106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noor@comrax.com) Received: from smtp1.comrax.com (smtp1.comrax.com [62.219.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21B18FC12 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:54:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noor@comrax.com) Received: from corporate.local ([192.168.80.77]) by smtp1.comrax.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:35:29 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:33:44 +0200 Message-ID: <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D016E01D7@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: USB Keyboard is not working with a custom kernel X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Thread-Index: AclZR0QXvmptvDBbRTmtk8zcMGUX+wBQZngN References: <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D018A795B@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> From: "??? ????" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2008 05:35:29.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CD2DB90:01C95A89] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: USB Keyboard is not working with a custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:54:55 -0000 Hello list, I've custom-built a kernel for a FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE amd64 system. The kernel file (/sys/amd64/conf/KERNEL) is shown below: *********************************************************** START OF = FILE ** machine amd64 cpu HAMMER ident KERNEL maxusers 1024 # Mandatory options options SCHED_ULE # SMP options SMP # CPU frequency control device cpufreq # Memory (Adjusted for 4GB RAM for AMD64) options MAXDSIZ=3D"(1536UL*1024*1024)" # = 1.5GB for data options MAXSSIZ=3D"(256UL*1024*1024)" # = 256MB for stack options DFLDSIZ=3D"(1536UL*1024*1024)" # Set = default data size to 1.5GB # Configuration options KSE options PREEMPTION options PANIC_REBOOT_WAIT_TIME=3D30 options COMPAT_43 options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ADAPTIVE_GIANT # Screen, Keyboard & Mouse options MAXCONS=3D4 # File System options FFS options CD9660 options PROCFS options PSEUDOFS options SOFTUPDATES options UFS_DIRHASH options UFS_GJOURNAL # Filesystems, Samba/CIFS shares options NETSMB # SMB/CIFS requester options LIBMCHAIN # mbuf management = library options LIBICONV options SMBFS options NFSSERVER options NFSCLIENT options NFSLOCKD # Networking options INET options ACCEPT_FILTER_DATA # All devices (Network, SCSI, Disks, Interface, ...) device miibus device bge device sio device fdc device ata device atadisk device atapicd device atapifd device loop device ether device isa device eisa device pci device agp device random device scbus device da device cd device ciss # Screen, Keyboard & Mouse device atkbdc device atkbd device psm device vga device sc device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB = interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB = interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB = interface (USB 2.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) device ukbd # Keyboard device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface = Devices" # Misc device acpi device pass device pty device snp device speaker ************************************************************* END OF = FILE ** With this kernel, whenever I connect a USB keyboard, I see on the = console an alert ("USB keyboard device this and that, connected to = ....") and even the make/model of the keyboard is shown, but the = keyboard doesn't work. The Num/Caps locks work (I mean, the light on the = keyboard alternates between ON/OFF whenever press on the keys). Anyone knows what's the problem? And how to fix it? Thanks in advance. Noor From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 06:18:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D623106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@jellydonut.org) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D76B8FC18 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@jellydonut.org) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so308088bwz.19 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.142.13 with SMTP id u13mr334588bkn.8.1228888198810; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.240.8 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:49:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1de79840812092149t4d212027o2c908635419fa838@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:49:58 -0500 From: "Michael Proto" To: "FreeBSD Current" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: behavioral change of "read" builtin for sh on 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:18:31 -0000 I've noticed a behavioral difference of the "read" builtin statement within /bin/sh on CURRENT and I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction on how to restore the old behavior. I have a /bin/sh script that accepts input for IP address information: #!/bin/sh set -x DEFINT=vr0 DEFIP=192.168.0.1 DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 read -p "Enter network interface [$DEFINT]: " -t 5 INT read -p "Enter IP address [$DEFIP]: " -t 5 IP read -p "Enter netmask [$DEFMASK]: " -t 5 MASK echo ${INT:=$DEFINT} : ${IP:=$DEFIP}/${MASK:=$DEFMASK} This script waits for terminal input for each of the above variables (INT, IP, MASK) and defaults to a script-provided value if no input is entered in 5 seconds for each variable. On 6.x and 7.x if I simply hit Enter at the prompt (and don't provide any input) no value is assigned to the variable so my INT, IP, and MASK variables are set to null and the parameter substitution of the DEF* variables works as expected. On 8-CURRENT if I hit Enter with no input at the prompt the system seems to recognize the newline as input and continues to sit there until I hit Enter again. When I do this there appears to be a strange unprintable value assigned to the INT, IP, and MASK variables yet the variable subsitution doesn't work correctly. The man page on sh lists the following behavior for read: read [-p prompt] [-t timeout] [-er] variable ... The prompt is printed if the -p option is specified and the stan- dard input is a terminal. Then a line is read from the standard input. The trailing newline is deleted from the line and the line is split as described in the section on White Space Splitting (Field Splitting) above, and the pieces are assigned to the variables in order. If there are more pieces than variables, the remaining pieces (along with the characters in IFS that sepa- rated them) are assigned to the last variable. If there are more variables than pieces, the remaining variables are assigned the null string. As I interpret this, read should delete the trailing newline and assign a null value since there is is no "input" before the newline. Then the variable substitution should take over and assign the DEF* variables appropriately. 6 and 7 follow this but 8 does not. Here's the output of the script (with set -x) to help show what I'm seeing. This is on 6 and 7: + DEFINT=vr0 + DEFIP=192.168.0.1 + DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 + read -p Enter network interface [vr0]: -t 5 INT Enter network interface [vr0]: + read -p Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: -t 5 IP Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: + read -p Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: -t 5 MASK Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: + echo vr0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 vr0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 And this is what I see with 8: + DEFINT=vr0 + DEFIP=192.168.0.1 + DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 + read -p Enter network interface [vr0]: -t 5 INT Enter network interface [vr0]: + read -p Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: -t 5 IP Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: + read -p Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: -t 5 MASK Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: /: cho /: Strange that the "echo" statement is missing the first "e" character in the debug output. Even stranger on 8-CURRENT, if I *do* enter input before the newline (say I change the IP address or the network interface), the first character is not echoed back to the screen but is still saved to the variable. Here's an example when I run the script and provide input at each prompt: + DEFINT=vr0 + DEFIP=192.168.0.1 + DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 + read -p Enter network interface [vr0]: -t 5 INT Enter network interface [vr0]: r0 + read -p Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: -t 5 IP Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: 92.168.0.1 + read -p Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: -t 5 MASK Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: 55.255.255.0 + echo br0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 br0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 + echo ifconfig br0 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 Notice that when I'm prompted, the first character doesn't echo but is still saved in the variable. Does anyone else see this same behavior? Any ideas on how to reset it back to how it works in STABLE? I'm not doing anything special with IFS so I'm stumped on how to troubleshoot this. Thanks, Proto From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 07:27:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAF11065677 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FC88FC16 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:27:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp15.yandex.ru (smtp15.yandex.ru [77.88.32.85]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 82ACB4C5805 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:15:43 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 142-1-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net ([92.113.1.142]:9476 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S4866217AbYLJHPl (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:15:41 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp15 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1228893341 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 3 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp15.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:15:38 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1797264058.20081210091538@yandex.ru> To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200811210836.mAL8aASM047460@freefall.freebsd.org> <540454.20081209233455@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re[4]: bin/129027: ambigious output for top(1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:27:37 -0000 ЗдравŃтвŃйте, Remko. Đ’Ń‹ пиŃали 10 декабря 2008 Đł., 6:12:58: RL> Send questions to questions@freebsd.org RL> Thnx RL> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone RL> Op 9 dec 2008 om 22:34 heeft KES het volgende RL> geschreven:\ >> ЗдравŃтвŃйте, Remko. >> >> Đ’Ń‹ пиŃали 21 ноября 2008 Đł., 10:36:10: >> >> rFo> Synopsis: ambigious output for top(1) >> >> rFo> State-Changed-From-To: open->closed >> rFo> State-Changed-By: remko >> rFo> State-Changed-When: Fri Nov 21 08:36:09 UTC 2008 >> rFo> State-Changed-Why: >> rFo> This is not a PR, this is a user question, which has an anwer >> already. >> rFo> Thanks for reporthing this, though I will be closing the ticket. >> >> rFo> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=129027 >> man top >> ...... >> >> -C Toggle CPU display mode. By default top displays the >> weighted >> CPU percentage in the WCPU column (this is the same >> value that >> ps(1) displays as CPU). Each time -C flag is passed >> it toggles >> between "raw cpu" mode and "weighted cpu" mode, >> showing the >> "CPU" or the "WCPU" column respectively. >> >> This is not descriptive enough. After reading this I have still have >> questions: >> 1. What is "weighted CPU percentage"? >> 2. What does "ps(1) display as CPU" >> >> ....... >> (visible only on SMP systems), TIME is the number of system >> and user >> cpu seconds that the process has used, WCPU, when >> displayed, is the >> weighted cpu percentage (this is the same value that ps(1) >> displays as >> CPU), CPU is the raw percentage and is the field that is >> sorted to >> determine the order of the processes, and COMMAND is the >> name of the >> >> NOTICE: >> this will be better to describe one parameter per paragraph >> TIME the number of system and user cpu seconds that the >> process has used >> WCPU the weighted cpu percentage (average CPU usage by process >> per minute) >> CPU the momentary/instant? percentage of CPU usage by process >> (Default sorted by this column) >> COMMAND ..... >> >> >> 2. Here in both cases 0% idle. Neither CPU neither WCPU does not show >> processes which take all processor time. >> CPU: 92.2% user, 0.0% nice, 7.5% system, 0.4% interrupt, 0.0% idle >> Mem: 258M Active, 95M Inact, 112M Wired, 15M Cache, 60M Buf, 8516K >> Free >> Swap: 2048M Total, 748K Used, 2047M Free >> >> PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME CPU >> COMMAND >> 4686 mysql 38 4 0 54716K 25944K sbwait 9:11 15.28% >> mysqld >> 37959 root 1 96 0 15412K 12880K RUN 0:00 1.81% >> objcopy >> 37956 root 1 96 0 21692K 19152K RUN 0:02 0.93% cc1 >> 37911 root 1 44 0 3532K 2080K RUN 0:00 0.20% top >> 37957 root 1 -8 0 2912K 1236K piperd 0:00 0.05% as >> 37951 root 1 8 0 3496K 1312K wait 0:00 0.05% sh >> >> >> CPU: 93.7% user, 0.0% nice, 6.3% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle >> Mem: 256M Active, 92M Inact, 111M Wired, 15M Cache, 60M Buf, 13M Free >> Swap: 2048M Total, 748K Used, 2047M Free >> Displaying WCPU >> PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU >> COMMAND >> 4686 mysql 38 4 0 54716K 25936K sbwait 9:11 20.31% >> mysqld >> 37996 root 1 96 0 13572K 10644K RUN 0:00 0.63% cc1 >> 37983 root 1 -8 0 3936K 1692K piperd 0:00 0.54% as >> 37911 root 1 44 0 3532K 2076K RUN 0:00 0.20% top >> 37997 root 1 -8 0 2912K 1004K piperd 0:00 0.05% as >> 212 root 1 44 0 3180K 980K select 7:40 0.00% >> syslogd >> 46720 root 1 44 0 9192K 4520K RUN 3:48 0.00% >> verlihub >> >> Can you answer, which? >> >> -- >> С Ńважением, >> KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru >> -- С Ńважением, KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 09:44:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4951065672 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [72.9.101.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868F28FC17 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prime.gushi.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBA9iBHx051495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:44:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 prime.gushi.org mBA9iBHx051495 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=prime.gushi.org; s=primegushiorg; t=1228885705; bh=aOwh/IguCc+88iAOGHRznlm1b4KJ9YL3u +RGGG6CJg4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=HUilPlmrkykiBh5BV7ueO+6aOg5N9Q4tGFYwNg7NNk7sIGUK97 aB2MAIjtMc130l//KmIbPgM3TS6Lw0tDl+PA== X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v1.0.0 prime.gushi.org mBA9iBHx051495 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=primegushiorg; d=prime.gushi.org; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:user-agent: x-openpgp-key-id:mime-version:content-type; b=k7ZMUcbDFiX+I0Xbmk20Nqi7vtOS8ZpeyQFOiQ8XJqFHnPwUhjXWnKDeu+I0NSSl5 Br9VJCeTUs0KJw6NgW8Ag== Received: (from danm@localhost) by prime.gushi.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id mBA9hpo4051332; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:43:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from danm) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:43:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0x624BB249 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (prime.gushi.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Subject: How to block NIS logins via ssh? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:44:23 -0000 Hello all, I'm noticing that when following the directions given here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-nis.html For how to disable logins, the recommended action is to set the shell to /sbin/nologin. However, this is sloppy as it allows the user to log in, get the motd, do everything short of getting a shell. I've tried starring out the password in the +::::::::: entry, (and putting in a "bad" password, like x), and those don't seem to work. I am still able to connect via sshd and prove that the account works. What's happening here? -Dan -- quick, somebody tell me the moon phase please? Wrin: Plummeting. -Undernet #reboot, 9/11/01 (day of the WTC bombing) --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 10:02:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE451065672 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pugalanand.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f31.google.com (mail-qy0-f31.google.com [209.85.221.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C860A8FC1B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pugalanand.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so229588qyk.19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:02:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Io25FFc3FvAz5T0CTUVDJKc9m/K5umw1oWONkstJYOs=; b=nsD2Zcjx4IA0C6J1/WKU3I5MuOEsqWnLAf0tIPnFb4hhtSTzLbue12nnl0zx7uZiSB K71IHrSrEvnJMc/1nd7HNxqSNJhwdnNqkYKnibhAcmdKqXHEI/QP/PFgHwoZkWMA1kPx 7qkE1eSCJHA+MRLs431ddt5kLM6/jdgxLbxPk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=osA8z4eAqt/GSK+GdtB6HP/SXTXF5wSvSuszAuanXwT6iWL9TSmU1egsSdEMIPAd8I ASUVQ3qOgfyJYzhnW5KZLIxBDThhf0m5ih0T+4iazmeuo/pQLFCp5nGNsMQg18rStcGN PKdcQX33abLXpzjqHpu+Lx1h3S/oHiDtu4f6s= Received: by 10.214.182.14 with SMTP id e14mr1736868qaf.45.1228902264739; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.181.12 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:44:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:14:24 +0530 From: "pugal pugal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:02:42 -0000 Hi all Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using hosts.deny and ipfilter. Thanks With Regards Pugal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 10:04:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5848106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6687F8FC17 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBAA4GDZ010014; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:04:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBAA4GQF010011; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:04:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:04:16 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: pugal pugal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081210110408.U10010@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:04:26 -0000 > Hi all > Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using > hosts.deny and ipfilter. using ipfw for example ;) > > > > Thanks > With Regards > Pugal > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 10:16:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECBC106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1F58FC12 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:16:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so505787bwz.19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:16:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=jOBJfFfUxOqaYWSuORpLvStL7FrMmH2FTc5SV2QDhXg=; b=XOHlJuDovMwOLU8DzXoVwSdAkBz1yS1kpSKL4d/6TS6olhIz893SHdxUTVB6XHwrCG EVJxE3DIJ4jSOsR97WSdHRonjcwtt89lxtd7AHDT96QjLVx0bH08wRnGNd6RBydJjkWS TjpGudrBYOU+++DGAr9COHnqZ/gRcaCRs+HcU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=NQ4Fbtqd4HCfM99QcDuXt0eelulfJEJRwuEHBSkYKTr0iknVqS27phRBQhOtIbNY2a +q7fEQ6v15goVaRMTNpOqGLokU9lqfFnGEATKPnjgL0khecwLhuwsKYHtOeOnXF2tDrU F0C4FFZen+Qq2ujok7HVPR1n439NwmweFkb5c= Received: by 10.223.110.211 with SMTP id o19mr1119294fap.57.1228904035984; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:13:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.206 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:13:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <991123400812100213p3b14ab83rbdc9798993fc19d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:13:55 +0300 From: "Odhiambo Washington" To: "pugal pugal" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:16:16 -0000 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, pugal pugal wrote: > Hi all > Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using > hosts.deny and ipfilter. Let the "service" listen on 127.0.0.1 or just don't start it:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, unlike our MPs!" -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 10:27:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A931065673 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:27:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pugalanand.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B1A8FC16 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pugalanand.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so122091qwb.7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:27:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=TmK+5TfeEzFBqCuKTNQrBLFN6Lvu08zzAeD1yWTkuds=; b=j8sx2tlwY+T6x9NTeoMxa10FLktS8LNzQiI7n+c+QqmuatpOj8IhMGxlGdqBBobn57 jNXudrFF/nun1zCjeuUum3BEasRAr0AT9916ID9Ew/qDNUu6biKlD/gFTY2IlndX2o7c A3H9D0CXAie1qZ+3NnWMIkm7jainQ9hPiBGHY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=SklNjWS9K9obAMtnAQ8OqxCFinH0q2r7ZIMFDCJbMvkqIYt0na7hv81GC56fotTXv5 joPgkgVXJB0K4f5B3KW15GIGexBocVy8O0HHOtRCJZ3g1OQXXaD3zittQVOTqnoMw3GG nqGqUb2BvbPXh76psObaoNl2cQ1jfX4RaOycQ= Received: by 10.215.12.13 with SMTP id p13mr1739894qai.281.1228904855275; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.181.12 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:27:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:57:35 +0530 From: "pugal pugal" To: "Odhiambo Washington" In-Reply-To: <991123400812100213p3b14ab83rbdc9798993fc19d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <991123400812100213p3b14ab83rbdc9798993fc19d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:27:36 -0000 Hi all I will explain the scenario clearly. I have a server program say server.c listening on some XXX port-number.I accepts all the client. Now i want to DENY only the particular client say x.x.x.x/16 . I want to deny that Client by not using hosts.deny. For this scenario what can i do?? If anyone knows Let me explain clearly. Since i am very new to this.please explain clearly. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, pugal pugal wrote: > >> Hi all >> Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using >> hosts.deny and ipfilter. > > > Let the "service" listen on 127.0.0.1 or just don't start it:-) > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, > unlike our MPs!" > -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. > -- Thanks With Regards Pugal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 10:31:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24792106567E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0EB8FC1B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LAMM2-0007rJ-O6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:31:42 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:31:42 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:31:42 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:31:34 +0100 Lines: 59 Message-ID: References: <4CF66154353CD7ABCB17FB03@ganymede.hub.org> <1EBF6B0D0F2CD9C5E4255890@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4BE9293672D63465145C2AD0" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: <1EBF6B0D0F2CD9C5E4255890@ganymede.hub.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: QEMU: increase image size with FreeBSD partitions ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:31:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4BE9293672D63465145C2AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marc G. Fournier wrote: >=20 >=20 > --On Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:15:45 +0100 Ivan Voras =20 > wrote: >=20 >> Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> I have FreeBSD 7 running in a QEMU VM ... works like a charm, but I'm= >>> wondering if there is some way of *increasing* the size of the image= beyond >>> what I configured it for? I'm only finding stuff pertaining to NTFS= /FAT32, >>> but nothing about Unix in general, or FreeBSD specifically ... >>> >>> Is there any way of doing this, or do I have to build a new, larger i= mg, and >>> copy the data from diskA -> diskB, and reboot on diskB? Doable, but = time >>> consuming ... >> I don't think there's anything automatic but you can grow the virtual >> disk, then modify the last partition size by hand, then use growfs. >=20 > 'k, that is what I figured, but how do I grow the virtual disk? I've ch= ecked=20 > the qemu-img man page, and there doesn't appear to be a method of doing= this ... >=20 I think I've incorrectly assumed you're using plain raw disk images - from the context I'd say that you're actually using one of qemu's own formats, right? The only thing I've found is this: http://kev.coolcavemen.com/2007/04/how-to-grow-any-qemu-system-image/ --------------enig4BE9293672D63465145C2AD0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJP5qIldnAQVacBcgRArDPAKC4zwq/t/AsweOsbJQu2Am2kkzlrgCgqHdn INhAvNAhTfE/bUKnSdZ5Q4U= =iVzs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4BE9293672D63465145C2AD0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 10:37:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB761065673 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113F38FC1E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LAMRC-000831-VD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:37:02 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:37:02 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:37:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:36:53 +0100 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <991123400812100213p3b14ab83rbdc9798993fc19d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig476C0EC7A56870DDB42F2B36" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:37:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig476C0EC7A56870DDB42F2B36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pugal pugal wrote: > Hi all > I will explain the scenario clearly. >=20 > I have a server program say server.c listening on some XXX port-number.= I > accepts all the client. > Now i want to DENY only the particular client say x.x.x.x/16 . It looks like you are writing a server, therefore you can check the addresses yourself if you don't want to use libwrap. It's easy to do. Either that, or read host_access(3), or use some other library from the ports that does the same thing. --------------enig476C0EC7A56870DDB42F2B36 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJP5vIldnAQVacBcgRAggRAJ9V7eSxSHeHkyQD+Co5rLUigN6bgACg+8Oc ZatP4eAS57CUO7gUdmtWGR8= =bb6y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig476C0EC7A56870DDB42F2B36-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 10:47:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6A81065672 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:47:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from levymoti@gmail.com) Received: from mx1.flncs.com (mx1.flncs.com [216.177.193.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4F78FC16 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from levymoti@gmail.com) Received: (qmail 92571 invoked by uid 89); 10 Dec 2008 10:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.109?) (moti@101tech.net@207.244.162.226) by 0 with ESMTPA; 10 Dec 2008 10:20:21 -0000 Message-ID: <493F97DF.2060904@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:20:15 -0500 From: Moti Levy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: VeeJay References: <2cd0a0da0811181315u367586d9s10e438e399634813@mail.gmail.com> <2cd0a0da0811190001h676586e5hc2a86e0875d8e4f@mail.gmail.com> <20081119081513.GA80401@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081119081513.GA80401@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD, OMSA Live CD and DSET tools for Dell 2950 Server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:47:04 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 09:01:42AM +0100, VeeJay wrote: > >> Any Help??? >> >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:15 PM, VeeJay wrote: >> >> >>> Any help??? >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM, VeeJay wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello there, >>>> >>>> To diagnose and solve a Disk Encluser issue, I am advised to run two >>>> tools.... >>>> >>>> 1. Run OMSA live CD on the Server? Since, OMSA Live CD is linux based, I >>>> am just wondering if it will work or not? >>>> 2. Run Dell's DSET Tool, which is also for Linux systems.... >>>> >>>> And seeking your comments in this regards: >>>> >>>> >>>> *Server Configuration with FreeBSD 7.0* >>>> ** >>>> *2 x PE2950 III Quad Core Xeon E5450 3.0GHz,2x6MB,1333FSB >>>> *Riser with PCI Express Support (2x PCIe x8 slots; 1x PCIe x4 slot) >>>> PE2950 English rack power cord >>>> PE2950 Bezel Assembly >>>> *16GB (8x2GB Dual Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FBD >>>> 6 x 450GB SAS 15k 3.5" HD Hot Plug* >>>> PE2950 III - Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane >>>> *PERC 6/i, Integrated Controller Card x6 backplane >>>> *CD/DVD Drive Cable >>>> 8X DVD-ROM Drive IDE >>>> PE2950 III Redundant Power Supply No Power Cord >>>> Rack Power Distribution Unit Power Cord >>>> TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P >>>> Broadcom TCP/IP Offload Engine functionality (TOE) Not Enabled >>>> Drac 5 Card >>>> *PE2950 III C5 MSS R10 Add-in PERC 5/i / 6/i >>>> > > Replying "ANY HELP?" every 24 hours will not get you any help. Please > stop doing this. > > If the OMSA CD is bootable, boot it and do what Dell tells you. If it's > a CD full of Linux utilities, then you're going to need to install or > run Linux somehow before accomplishing that. Trying to do this on > FreeBSD is probably not worth your time. > > Regarding DSET: same advice as above. > > When you're finished dealing with all of this, I would highly recommend > taking the time to write a professional and concise letter to a > supervisor or manager at Dell, and express your displeasure with their > Linux-only tools. They should at least be providing ISO images you can > burn and boot directly to perform enclosure/controller testing. > > But I also hope you've learned something from the experience. Before > you buy hardware, ensure that it's fully manageable under FreeBSD, or > that the vendor offers bootable CDs that can help you. Otherwise, if > they do not, you're essentially "living dangerously". > > and vote here : http://www.ideastorm.com/ideaSearchResults?s=freebsd&x=0&y=0 the more the better ! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 10:57:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E6F1065673 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpbuono@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CE48FC22 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpbuono@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so125123wfg.7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:57:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=g3PkOowq5IgHtIg5ZuRgo5MOW89dzCahq4ejBLR+5sg=; b=Hropc8eXn20qd6IqOurSYxcprBPDYWq3o3HvdMvzL1hnrMvYUvIfJmC2kHBxmGSkCU ZTsXArUI9StevsVGHQ99Nv+U+QRN8TFnAVnBK0nC4n6D3OA3VcbomzYkBkCtKAz58Gvs oF5qEtFdIX9nz1ip8TJObFcp8gMc87/uhhEME= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=kcXmFJG8DbRr9QEhFhmilAYQx4qnGGBeY6ILm9fgktU/aC97t4k8qGxrZyNvzaEtQy 7Xj6ID4r3kTD1zWYqxv5dcmeUd9CXMoh4SWGv/prEYFYkYaVNtRQzc9e4j5G8D/tqsnl sV7Vt+P5ProU9UScYnTq/3e8P24NOYvRxKB4A= Received: by 10.142.82.6 with SMTP id f6mr156784wfb.182.1228906654361; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.204.15 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:57:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:57:34 +0100 From: "Gian Paolo Buono" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Monitoring Threshold Interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:57:35 -0000 Hi, I would like monitoring an interface and allarm if it exceeds the threshold of 900 Mbit. Do you know any struments ? I can also create a bash script with some tool or command. Thanks...bye Gian Paolo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 11:07:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066E81065670 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sebastian.tymkow@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECDD8FC0C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sebastian.tymkow@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so651499ewy.19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:07:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=59lQYes2tX3IjjlkbMGqD/NT6SaTcg5Q8vlviw2k2JA=; b=ejyozkqXDQaqzOOlzKjbGF1ExfcIxhCrN7Y48wJczxBC9RfbT9am8+/7YlfNxpnAnR 79tpn0ApLvqyhwNUefFdyXczAn5EvfyOyDnEVmG/fI/FHIFKfNgKk2cuLbHX2kYdMX0k mnt3XipAsM9MFK/OC8RfiH6eT3I1IJNnJhU+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=SIPXbpWikqq4w+jXBnJgUQHK9o8GOoUg5g5xjyFB3FYDt43ulYX310I+LgU9Z36+qP EZWqY1r4CuswJSsF9N8AdCYU32xa3nmNepAtO6xVnvjoBxwcckJ8ay5rSX0NWcRlLsmO OjRQeEbwSCm4saP0M7PTAVv6p2qAMWcWJuGpw= Received: by 10.210.34.19 with SMTP id h19mr1470480ebh.136.1228907259159; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.45.16 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:07:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <692660060812100307xe1ad17ax1661a18a51ecfa0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:07:39 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Tymk=F3w?=" To: "pugal pugal" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <991123400812100213p3b14ab83rbdc9798993fc19d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:07:41 -0000 Hello, If you don't want to do this using server features you should do it in your program (like in config file). Best regards, Shamrock 2008/12/10 pugal pugal > Hi all > I will explain the scenario clearly. > > I have a server program say server.c listening on some XXX port-number.I > accepts all the client. > > Now i want to DENY only the particular client say x.x.x.x/16 . > > I want to deny that Client by not using hosts.deny. > > For this scenario what can i do?? If anyone knows Let me explain clearly. > Since i am very new to this.please explain clearly. > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington >wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, pugal pugal >wrote: > > > >> Hi all > >> Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using > >> hosts.deny and ipfilter. > > > > > > Let the "service" listen on 127.0.0.1 or just don't start it:-) > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > > Nairobi,KE > > +254733744121/+254722743223 > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, > > unlike our MPs!" > > -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. > > > > > > -- > Thanks > With Regards > Pugal > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 12:17:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6D11065670 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from smtp1.brturbo.com.br (smtp1.brte.com.br [200.199.201.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB3F8FC1B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:17:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from lobo (unknown [189.70.119.105]) by smtp1.brturbo.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736923404 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:13:36 -0200 (BRST) From: Mario Lobo Organization: DigiArt Systems To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:18:04 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <692660060812100307xe1ad17ax1661a18a51ecfa0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <692660060812100307xe1ad17ax1661a18a51ecfa0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812100918.04892.mlobo@digiart.art.br> Subject: Re: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:17:49 -0000 On Wednesday 10 December 2008 08:07:39 Sebastian Tymk=F3w wrote: > Hello, > > If you don't want to do this using server features you should do it in yo= ur > program > (like in config file). > > Best regards, > > Shamrock > > 2008/12/10 pugal pugal > > > Hi all > > I will explain the scenario clearly. > > > > I have a server program say server.c listening on some XXX port-number.I > > accepts all the client. > > > > Now i want to DENY only the particular client say x.x.x.x/16 . > > > > I want to deny that Client by not using hosts.deny. > > > > For this scenario what can i do?? If anyone knows Let me explain clearl= y. > > Since i am very new to this.please explain clearly. > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, pugal pugal > > > > >wrote: > > >> Hi all > > >> Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using > > >> hosts.deny and ipfilter. > > > > > > Let the "service" listen on 127.0.0.1 or just don't start it:-) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > > > Nairobi,KE > > > +254733744121/+254722743223 > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > > "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel > > > philanthropic, unlike our MPs!" > > > -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. > > > > -- > > Thanks > > With Regards > > Pugal > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" It seems you wrote the code, so you have the power. Just check the client's= IP=20 after accept()ing the connection. Then fork(), close(), etc... =2D-=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br =46reeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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Best Regards, Mr William Parker William Harvey Research Institute uk Phone # : (+44) 703-595-4953 E-mail :pioneer1221@googlemail.com http://www.whri.qmul.ac.uk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 13:03:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BFD106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BEB8FC16 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:03:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-75-140.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.75.140]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706173CA81; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:02:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBAD2msM001537; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:02:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:02:47 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "??? ????" Message-Id: <20081210140247.2f634ab3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D016E01D7@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> References: <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D018A795B@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D016E01D7@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB Keyboard is not working with a custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:03:06 -0000 On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:33:44 +0200, "??? ????" wrote: > With this kernel, whenever I connect a USB keyboard, I see on > the console an alert ("USB keyboard device this and that, > connected to ....") and even the make/model of the keyboard > is shown, but the keyboard doesn't work. The Num/Caps locks > work (I mean, the light on the keyboard alternates between > ON/OFF whenever press on the keys). > > Anyone knows what's the problem? And how to fix it? This *may* be due to kbdmux. On older FreeBSD systems (such as FreeBSD 5), you had to manually change the active keyboard using the kbdcontrol command. Let's say, you have an AT keyboard present (which has the "focus") and you plugged in the USB keyboard, the keyboard would get recognized and powered (so you can toggle the Blinkenlights), but no input would come from it. Then you would have to use the "focused" keyboard /dev/kbd0 (=/dev/atkbd0) to "change focus" to the USB one /dev/kbd1 (=/dev/ukbd0). Since kbdmux has been introduced, "focus" is on all keybpards that are plugged into the system, so it doesn't matter where you type something. Maybe you could check the presence of kbdmux or use an AT keyboard to check via kbdcontrol. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 13:11:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBFF1065675 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noor@comrax.com) Received: from smtp1.comrax.com (smtp1.comrax.com [62.219.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFCB8FC19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:11:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noor@comrax.com) Received: from corporate.local ([192.168.80.77]) by smtp1.comrax.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:10:01 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:07:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D01830F79@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 In-Reply-To: <20081210140247.2f634ab3.freebsd@edvax.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: USB Keyboard is not working with a custom kernel Thread-Index: Aclax7VxQnKe0sWsTgaIIRlKmsjeXQAAG6/w References: <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D018A795B@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL><5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D016E01D7@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> <20081210140247.2f634ab3.freebsd@edvax.de> From: =?windows-1255?B?8OX4IOPg5eM=?= To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2008 13:10:01.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C23CA00:01C95AC8] Subject: RE: USB Keyboard is not working with a custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:11:18 -0000 OK... This could work eventually, but think about another fact: With GENERIC kernel, everything works correctly. I plug and unplug the = keyboard, and it interacts wonderfully. Noor -----Original Message----- From: Polytropon [mailto:freebsd@edvax.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:03 PM To: =F0=E5=F8 =E3=E0=E5=E3 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB Keyboard is not working with a custom kernel On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:33:44 +0200, "??? ????" wrote: > With this kernel, whenever I connect a USB keyboard, I see on > the console an alert ("USB keyboard device this and that, > connected to ....") and even the make/model of the keyboard > is shown, but the keyboard doesn't work. The Num/Caps locks > work (I mean, the light on the keyboard alternates between > ON/OFF whenever press on the keys). >=20 > Anyone knows what's the problem? And how to fix it? This *may* be due to kbdmux. On older FreeBSD systems (such as FreeBSD 5), you had to manually change the active keyboard using the kbdcontrol command. Let's say, you have an AT keyboard present (which has the "focus") and you plugged in the USB keyboard, the keyboard would get recognized and powered (so you can toggle the Blinkenlights), but no input would come from it. Then you would have to use the "focused" keyboard /dev/kbd0 (=3D/dev/atkbd0) to "change focus" to the USB one /dev/kbd1 (=3D/dev/ukbd0). Since kbdmux has been introduced, "focus" is on all keybpards that are plugged into the system, so it doesn't matter where you type something. Maybe you could check the presence of kbdmux or use an AT keyboard to check via kbdcontrol. --=20 Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 13:18:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0CE1065670 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:18:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950B88FC17 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so729868ewy.19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:18:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=9DF2e5ecr6a5xzz13kszuvbOdQvn53GSdDXvS3tb8Vo=; b=wiR4SEHM+1t8890+hyOQ0BFRfMdONEcNC18rmoDENphZPpRy1BiZRKNCALj7nbA89n 1LGBfUR8SanlFk+WumZEfSdo5O5oThp1n2JyTkitw8WcC49YpO5BYmjt2MdW59Z+Enry AqbseC5lSsLhxgLS2frOvfEqx3QapbkpYJ4dY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=h6WLydMhq/NMOTpUhhaPdrH4QbnMgJP4t1akq/j9Wn2h1KZwUwMvHD0izjbkHs7BAg 1g+9umh+2gZJKJXx3eUCXtysLfZMULfafqvB+VeYP0zRw6xqmeNVbokgNuq1XBEm2kbJ 7iYcIBbvvCGDQ/CL1oxc2NUAU4V8hUC/9n+QE= Received: by 10.210.18.8 with SMTP id 8mr1644778ebr.47.1228915112265; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.58.12 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:18:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812100518i1ef9be79v33885dcf6793b745@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:18:32 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Tymk=F3w?=" In-Reply-To: <692660060811060018m7122c5c6k57f22431a2e8cd8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <835F48BA-494E-44A0-8D2B-D9F139AB2125@identry.com> <94136a2c0810010201y6d561828lb125419de1613aee@mail.gmail.com> <81F44C16-59C8-4A44-AE2A-B9F233834383@identry.com> <692660060810010933t6ada2c85g18b3e0e60d2cf02d@mail.gmail.com> <48E484B6.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <692660060811031405t334a1a2cq876913d4b801b180@mail.gmail.com> <692660060811060018m7122c5c6k57f22431a2e8cd8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best way to back up mysql database X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:18:34 -0000 Hello list, I apologize if I somehow highjack the thread. I just want to tell the list for further references one way (my way) of doing mysql backup and to ask you if it's safe or not. I have 2 server: one of which is the master (named for the sake of brevity with M) in mysql terms and the second being the slave (named with S). I use mysqldump on S and deliver the tarballs to a remote location. I first stop the slave, do mysqldump and start the slave. Is this approach safe? Some might argue that it's not necessary or even expensive somehow to have 2 boxes *but* in my case I have 2 servers in production and one backups the other. thanks for your input and have a great day, v From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 14:51:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC11106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7A58FC1E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBAEpl5G005988 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id mBAEplVD005985 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:47 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:51:47 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be To: "mail.list freebsd-questions" In-Reply-To: <20081209185837.GA71505@marvin.optimis.net> Message-ID: References: <20081209185837.GA71505@marvin.optimis.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: omshell how to use X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:51:50 -0000 To use omshell for changing dhcpd.conf, one needs to use a TSIG key. Did the following: # dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 512 -n HOST omapi_key responded with: Komapi_key.+157+18443 and created the files: -rw------- 1 root admin 118 Dec 10 15:42 Komapi_key.+157+18443.key -rw------- 1 root admin 156 Dec 10 15:42 Komapi_key.+157+18443.private # cat Komapi_key.+157+18443.private Private-key-format: v1.2 Algorithm: 157 (HMAC_MD5) Key: Tq4+Idv4lCBt/zOyXIzZAxYhP3xcsUECEQVXWpTxIfTISCh4B0jwlYWxQs1FfiUYWVNSdTbu1bM0ZzxdIhj0sQ== Bits: AAA= # vi /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf and added the statements key omapi_key { algorithm HMAC-MD5; secret "Tq4+Idv4lCBt/zOyXIzZAxYhP3xcsUECEQVXWpTxIfTISCh4B0jwlYWxQs1FfiUYWVNSdTbu1bM0ZzxdIhj0sQ=="; }; omapi-key omapi_key; Then I started dhcpd, but it immediatly complains : Starting dhcpd ... /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf: line 10: invalid base 64 character 10 secret "Tq4+Idv4lCBt/zOyXIzZAxYhP3xcsUECEQVXWpTxIfTISCh4B0jwlYWxQs1FfiUYWVNSdTbu 1bM0ZzxdIhj0sQ=="; ^ /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf: line 12: Expecting a parameter or declaration What exactly does one have to specify on the 'secret' line ?? The manual for omshell or dnssec-keygen don't have examples... Please a real life example with all the relevant information ... > The command-line tool you're looking for is omshell. If you want > something different, then you're looking at implementing a wrapper > script or program of your own design. > > Never had the need to use omshell, but the following random Google > search result looks appropriate for what you're trying to do: > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 14:57:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8801065672 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net (Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net [64.251.15.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989CD8FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from [24.167.59.175] (helo=[192.168.93.2]) by Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LAQVL-000PPC-73 for Questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:57:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:57:25 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Monceaux X-X-Sender: dokpm0@Blaidd-Drwg.RawFedDogs.net To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net Cc: Subject: slim(Simple LogIn Manager) problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:37 -0000 FreeBSD Fans, After a recent install I'm having trouble with slim. The last time I installed FreeBSD on my home desktop box slim worked well. I'm running RELENG_7 with xorg, slim, etc., installed from an up-to-date ports tree. I created my xorg.conf file via xorgconfig, and also tried Xorg -config to see if it made any difference. Does any of the following symptoms sound familiar to anyone? If I start slim via /etc/ttys using: ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/slim" xterm on secure I can sign on to slim but can't do anything after that. I use dwm as my window manager and when it first starts I normally have just a blank black screen, so I'm not sure if dwm is actually starting or not. pgrep says it's running. My .xinitrc has: xrdb ~/.Xresources xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr xsetroot -solid black unclutter & exec /home/dokpm0/bin/dwm It's clearing slim's background image, so I know it's at least getting to xsetroot -solid black. I tried setting DISPLAY and starting a urxvt terminal session from a virtual console. pgrep said urxvt was running but it didn't appear in my X session. If I disable slim in /etc/ttys and start it via /usr/local/etc/rc.d/slim I can sign on and everything works except the mouse, and in terminal sessions I start my path is wrong. I failed to make a note of the exact path I'm getting, and I'm working remotely right now, but I think it started with: ./:/bin: ... login.conf has: :path=/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin ~/bin:\ as the default path. One of the the missing paths is ~/bin, and ./ shouldn't be in the path, but is. To make things more interesting, if I stop slim, sign on to a virtual console, and use startx to, well, start X everything works. My mouse works, my path is correct, etc. Has anyone seen a similar slim problem? The path problem is easy enough to work around via an entry in my ~/.zshenv file. With dwm I can do almost everything via the keyboard, but a functional mouse does come in handy occasionally. :-) Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:01:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7911065675 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AD08FC1A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C989C068; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01278164DC3; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:01:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493FE7F8.9010908@mykitchentable.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:02:00 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pieter Donche References: <20081209185837.GA71505@marvin.optimis.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: omshell how to use X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:01:50 -0000 I am not an expert nor have I even used this software in question. However... Pieter Donche wrote: > To use omshell for changing dhcpd.conf, one needs to use a TSIG key. > > Did the following: > # dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 512 -n HOST omapi_key This appears to be an MD5 encrypted key. > responded with: > Komapi_key.+157+18443 > > and created the files: > -rw------- 1 root admin 118 Dec 10 15:42 Komapi_key.+157+18443.key > -rw------- 1 root admin 156 Dec 10 15:42 > Komapi_key.+157+18443.private > > # cat Komapi_key.+157+18443.private > Private-key-format: v1.2 > Algorithm: 157 (HMAC_MD5) > Key: > Tq4+Idv4lCBt/zOyXIzZAxYhP3xcsUECEQVXWpTxIfTISCh4B0jwlYWxQs1FfiUYWVNSdTbu1bM0ZzxdIhj0sQ== > > Bits: AAA= > > # vi /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf > and added the statements > > key omapi_key { > algorithm HMAC-MD5; > secret > "Tq4+Idv4lCBt/zOyXIzZAxYhP3xcsUECEQVXWpTxIfTISCh4B0jwlYWxQs1FfiUYWVNSdTbu1bM0ZzxdIhj0sQ=="; > > }; > omapi-key omapi_key; > > Then I started dhcpd, but it immediatly complains : > Starting dhcpd > ... > /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf: line 10: invalid base 64 character 10 This seems to want a base64 encrypted key. > secret > "Tq4+Idv4lCBt/zOyXIzZAxYhP3xcsUECEQVXWpTxIfTISCh4B0jwlYWxQs1FfiUYWVNSdTbu > 1bM0ZzxdIhj0sQ=="; > ^ > /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf: line 12: Expecting a parameter or declaration > > What exactly does one have to specify on the 'secret' line ?? > The manual for omshell or dnssec-keygen don't have examples... > > Please a real life example with all the relevant information ... Sorry, I don't have any examples. However I suggest re-reading the docs and looking for specifics on key encryption. That might be the "key" to your success. :) Cheers, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:08:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFE2106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f18.google.com (mail-qy0-f18.google.com [209.85.221.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A988FC19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so849530qyk.19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:08:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=Mkj1eVBh1N9k/A2Uiy6mh0zoXlBdrcJq99hoGrnk0tY=; b=MeKS/MmX5W8WUHW2GZmH8LzdP7c4L61I2xyKx3+o1DTgKsQY8UVzVuT4VR8Hgv62rt ZOqUD6F0vhcjUF9Jewj4lHkUDF3IHPVzgCNUBTaaxrSMRLXoqFGrdhiq7wwxPsifC9pm QR2mo7abzZNXwnIvuZ70LRS+Z67IZR1hQPrIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=kEpK3KDnlOFiHF8ZjJ/ExraeyqlJ/nyoJ0iUcljNKzGtsTmgGPagmb99JgmzXJhDyq 8Yz1uORuIg+taZNOr2UBpRPJgrNQuDqBXGP5zjBtjEJKHMgIhlVP/DxxveylaCr/0sYx 9FvWiVn6PvjgZIpi4EPC2HvFaVhKtpzAVlV7c= Received: by 10.64.201.16 with SMTP id y16mr1242606qbf.82.1228925332306; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7sm1634987qba.6.2008.12.10.08.08.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:08:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:08:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c95ae1$7b1ab8a0$715029e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acla4XoyO50X3F6PQ+q5dyZswrUptA== Content-Language: en-ca Subject: update packages or reinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:08:53 -0000 Hi all; Ok I've got a system running 6.0-release, it is an internal server and has nothing important on it. I'm running into problems where a lot of the packages are old and out of date, and everyday it seems I'm having to update 5-6 of em for something or another. I'm considering just wiping the system clean and starting from scratch to say either 6.4-release or 7.0 release. It is a sun netra x1 with a ultrasparc IIe 400mhz and 512mb ram. The machine is here at my location, so accessibility is no problem at all I know it is primarily my choice but feedback on whether a total wipe and reinstall with something a bit more current would be a better choice than fixing what I have. All feedback welcome. Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:12:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5F2106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:12:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411578FC21 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:12:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan-a.emsphone.com [199.67.51.107]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBAG2Rpg083950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:02:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBAG2R6E048781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:02:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBAG2O6P048724; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:02:24 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:02:24 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" Message-ID: <20081210160222.GB82227@dan.emsphone.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.1, clamav-milter version 0.94.1 on email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:02:27 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to block NIS logins via ssh? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:12:41 -0000 In the last episode (Dec 10), Dan Mahoney, System Admin said: > I'm noticing that when following the directions given here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-nis.html > > For how to disable logins, the recommended action is to set the shell to > /sbin/nologin. > > However, this is sloppy as it allows the user to log in, get the > motd, do everything short of getting a shell. > > I've tried starring out the password in the +::::::::: entry, (and > putting in a "bad" password, like x), and those don't seem to work. > I am still able to connect via sshd and prove that the account works. By default, the passwd field is ignored in an NIS + or - line. It looks like if you rebuild libc with PW_OVERRIDE_PASSWD=1, you will get the behaviour you're looking for (see the compat_set_template function in src/lib/libc/gen/getpwent.c). -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:22:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF131065691 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110B28FC39 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mBAGH23L036212; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:17:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mBAGH2J0036211; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:17:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:17:02 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Gary Hartl Message-ID: <20081210161702.GB36079@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000401c95ae1$7b1ab8a0$715029e0$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000401c95ae1$7b1ab8a0$715029e0$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: update packages or reinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:22:23 -0000 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:08:02AM -0500, Gary Hartl wrote: > Hi all; > > Ok I've got a system running 6.0-release, it is an internal server and has > nothing important on it. > > I'm running into problems where a lot of the packages are old and out of > date, and everyday it seems I'm having to update 5-6 of em for something or > another. > > I'm considering just wiping the system clean and starting from scratch to > say either 6.4-release or 7.0 release. > > It is a sun netra x1 with a ultrasparc IIe 400mhz and 512mb ram. The > machine is here at my location, so accessibility is no problem at all > > I know it is primarily my choice but feedback on whether a total wipe and > reinstall with something a bit more current would be a better choice than > fixing what I have. If you are in a position where a complete reinstall is possible/reasonable then I would do that. Make good backups and check their readability before burning any bridges. ////jerry > > All feedback welcome. > > Thanks > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:26:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EAD1065677 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:26:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082D38FC1A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:26:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so166803qwb.7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:26:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=Sa8HT/MIvSmoAhyKZ+sZTw7TploJ7bYqulJ7HmMNL3g=; b=KHJPWwav04OT9prOzAxPfPz+xXhPLscr65k4/K9hhB0PhO4BItPyVQQYLCFM8tvjAC s/IHPuw/Tnm0Ngnt4S1egC8So4S63lFreKhYfZFg4ZYSfQNK/G0ERjbnVoZOVWQwIhv8 j/UnSZlCVJ+3yNnV7gnPY9j32Z+2avJKnEMgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; b=Vaut3SG+IJ5ScnpEdMmDg2uqWwtHk9zuhgE/0Mr+6CpvaFLI8axyWVZ1EubRAE1hgK if08g2oPJVHPJYrxCgljn50brXlJLLWuDWcqFmab1pXvxxcbm97x9wdH758KQeqWP5vW Av5rYixLcZHORCakv59Rg6bKLmeh6MQnEkPtA= Received: by 10.65.59.16 with SMTP id m16mr1284532qbk.1.1228926408013; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s35sm2145173qbs.38.2008.12.10.08.26.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:26:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "'FreeBSD Questions'" References: <000401c95ae1$7b1ab8a0$715029e0$@com> <20081210161702.GB36079@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20081210161702.GB36079@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:25:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c95ae3$fc33f7b0$f49be710$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acla437oz8IguislSwKJGqMp2qFRzwAAGgZQ Content-Language: en-ca Subject: RE: update packages or reinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:26:49 -0000 > Hi all; > > Ok I've got a system running 6.0-release, it is an internal server and has > nothing important on it. > > I'm running into problems where a lot of the packages are old and out of > date, and everyday it seems I'm having to update 5-6 of em for something or > another. > > I'm considering just wiping the system clean and starting from scratch to > say either 6.4-release or 7.0 release. > > It is a sun netra x1 with a ultrasparc IIe 400mhz and 512mb ram. The > machine is here at my location, so accessibility is no problem at all > > I know it is primarily my choice but feedback on whether a total wipe and > reinstall with something a bit more current would be a better choice than > fixing what I have. If you are in a position where a complete reinstall is possible/reasonable then I would do that. Make good backups and check their readability before burning any bridges. ////jerry Any suggestions for 7.0 or 6.4? Thanks Gary > > All feedback welcome. > > Thanks > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:31:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8411065676 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:31:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admhardsoft@yahoo.ca) Received: from web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 669588FC0C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:31:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admhardsoft@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 35061 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 16:31:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EnANhVPvHePAvABxrYysXte8Le8Q4ruR9GHORo/2kG645kM+mHrseGW1cw1OAcSWjmPkWb5UOtmFUMk7SnlNbPAvwdSx+OLBlEheWXvqHrh8RFBWcFpASob3qVLp0Z+Xh8K5wucFhBZiU69e1yULX0I37rJMHo1ZWlmEGKARuRs=; X-YMail-OSG: mWJZZWcVM1nX4OE6sbqKL.ABxtqP14nsBrCcrd_GI6HYzaBOuTI- Received: from [69.159.224.117] by web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:31:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <20081209103518.T1048@localhost.my.domain> <20081209043837.GA5653@shepherd> <20081210105026.L889@localhost.my.domain> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:31:03 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_Rodriguez?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <490517.34837.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: I need Install DB2 in Freebsd with a tool administration like webmin but for database DB2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:31:05 -0000 Hi, everyone.=0A=0AI wanna install DB2 in my unix freebsd, but I never doin= g that, in fact I need a tool like GUI or like webmin, for the adminsitrati= on of the DB2. who can help me with that.=0AI'll appreciate any help, becau= se I have been very hurry with that I'll developer a tools in DB2 butnever = worked in this database management, I always work in mysql server.=0Aplease= any help?=0A=0Ahave a great day for everyone here.=0Asincerely=0ATomas=0A= =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Richard KHOO Guan Chen =0ATo: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" =0ASent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:58:13 PM=0ASubject: Re: por= taudit -solved=0A=0AThank you Sahil Tandon=0A=0AI have solved the problem. = My ISP uses proxy=A0 for http (I think) as I have closed off port 80 and op= ened port 8080, and that has got me to the web with no problem. I have also= been able to use ports installation with my ipf firewall setup, so I could= not understand why portaudit command failed. I have now opened up port 80 = and get the thing working.=0A=0AYour message got me thinking in this direct= ion as you confiremed that the file is from http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports.= =0A=0AOnce again thanks and apologies for the late reply.=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, 8= Dec 2008, Sahil Tandon wrote:=0A=0A> Richard KHOO Guan Chen wrote:=0A> =0A= >> I have recently installed 6.4 release and tried to do a portausidt -F.= =0A>> No go reply was that auditfile.tbz unavailable.=0A> =0A> By default, = portaudit fetches the database from www.FreeBSD.org/ports.=0A> What is the = output of the following commands on your machine?=0A> =0A> % wget http://ww= w.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz=0A> % fetch -1amp http://www.FreeBSD.org/= ports/auditfile.tbz=0A> =0A> Have you created or modified /usr/local/etc/po= rtaudit.conf?=0A> =0A> -- Sahil Tandon =0A> _____________= __________________________________=0A> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailin= g list=0A> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> = To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "=0A> =0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-question= s@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/free= bsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubsc= ribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________= __________________________=0AInstant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos an= d more... 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Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.y= ahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:50:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607DF106574B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114B28FC1B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so175625qwb.7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:50:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle :x-cr-puzzleid; bh=L6sF9BawzXxP7thZHWC95zwZYChiKP6B72SkS5umGV8=; b=hna/GywCtYQVK83KEuHVRif/VmRRLcKCKHEXTXxVwDBh8LOifFfNI80pnV+jKDSqyh I02QETLOdEXbiT6+wbocYxKCx6e3TMN9NiPCZugJ7hfjlTuMLNrlYYtDBUolNgm8GvqT 9iyagBLPzSwy69ujjU/Lx4f+sRBFNQrALa8lA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid; b=sZ1NBiv9q5qnR5yH4sqeLAqpIF8AmjKx7opSu785ajVmo3liIkmP4QbY9H2UHQfUHn VUjxGIVZ8TCCeVpIjXBYz9NMu5xuuWWcYYRY5epZjIyaAuFO28EtbRdS8mC+CqVNqtWn VOA+a/8GQO8pnzjf8ytGyBq80r7zNVMa0nGGI= Received: by 10.64.213.8 with SMTP id l8mr1301884qbg.3.1228927845799; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q16sm10386144qbq.0.2008.12.10.08.50.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:50:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:49:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c95ae7$54b25b90$fe1712b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acla51Fdfwcu3w+hT5eFd2UcTbtCPA== Content-Language: en-ca x-cr-hashedpuzzle: WWk= ef8= BT3p CTNG CZoh EAUu Ecz0 E/aX FE59 FFnm F7ov GY8U HN26 HjYR H0ln H9Dd; 1; ZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAtAHEAdQBlAHMAdABpAG8AbgBzAEAAZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAuAG8AcgBnAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {B53FF55E-37F4-4992-B46A-07210DAA95C2}; ZwBoAGEAcgB0AGwAQABnAG0AYQBpAGwALgBjAG8AbQA=; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:49:50 GMT; VwBoAGkAYwBoACAASQBTAE8AIABkAG8AIABpACAAbgBlAGUAZAA= x-cr-puzzleid: {B53FF55E-37F4-4992-B46A-07210DAA95C2} Subject: Which ISO do i need X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:50:47 -0000 Hi all; Ok so I 'm going with the reinstall option me thinks and I'm gonna try 7.0. I want to do a install over ftp since my just too lazy to burn all those disks. Would I just need the bootonly.iso? I'm doing a sparc64 install. Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:51:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CBD1065673 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pdcvgmh@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629B88FC2D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pdcvgmh@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so895125bwz.19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:51:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=JTeFyO3QyS0eTVb0uiMegu2q9HaU39mP425UQwAHPYI=; b=WG5DJZFIQgXwpHE0m39ifPEch4MaeiRWlCY/gUVRCb48kt/t5DEpCcxrJLQ8HbqeHy pSjSrG42JF7SMhVwaumWFbQ8hH1Afh9VqQxaPDGoyjmXw34cHj0mdnw1uX2tFghlCSrt aW2CPKhpmUwXWP2mXdd7g74ZQm/Bx9prDnFMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dKac4TRo7/745Kv8U/0aB2o6f2HiuW1TZWyZiN7sC0+mdjdocukZu/g3of91AP2J40 nR75uU+oul538e3Zg8LQqpGS5mg72yi72z8AypJvN/Lcq3UJUo6lkMBAUYlMHHyOng2J i7J76++D4rJWRZCZYPzvxD/TLpaU5wg+9FtoY= Received: by 10.223.122.70 with SMTP id k6mr1585806far.26.1228925928851; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.119.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:18:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:18:48 -0200 From: "pablo caballero" To: Questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Developer's Handbook doubt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:51:12 -0000 Hi comunity. I'm a developer new in the FreeBSD world and I'm reading the handbook. I have a doubt regarding the following code example (page 103): open: push dword mode push dword flags push dword path mov eax, 5 push eax ; Or any other dword int 80h add esp, byte 16 Why is required the "push eax;" sentence? (I guess a basic assembler concept unknown to me) Thank you very much Regards Pablo Caballero From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:55:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5FD106567C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEBE8FC22 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mBAGoFhn036325; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:50:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mBAGoFYb036324; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:50:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:50:15 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Gary Hartl Message-ID: <20081210165015.GA36305@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000401c95ae1$7b1ab8a0$715029e0$@com> <20081210161702.GB36079@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <000501c95ae3$fc33f7b0$f49be710$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000501c95ae3$fc33f7b0$f49be710$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: 'FreeBSD Questions' Subject: Re: update packages or reinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:55:36 -0000 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:25:57AM -0500, Gary Hartl wrote: > > Hi all; > > > > Ok I've got a system running 6.0-release, it is an internal server and has > > nothing important on it. > > > > I'm running into problems where a lot of the packages are old and out of > > date, and everyday it seems I'm having to update 5-6 of em for something > or > > another. > > > > I'm considering just wiping the system clean and starting from scratch to > > say either 6.4-release or 7.0 release. > > > > It is a sun netra x1 with a ultrasparc IIe 400mhz and 512mb ram. The > > machine is here at my location, so accessibility is no problem at all > > > > I know it is primarily my choice but feedback on whether a total wipe and > > reinstall with something a bit more current would be a better choice than > > fixing what I have. > > If you are in a position where a complete reinstall is possible/reasonable > then I would do that. Make good backups and check their readability > before burning any bridges. > > ////jerry > > Any suggestions for 7.0 or 6.4? Go with 7.1 ////jerry > > Thanks > > Gary > > > > > All feedback welcome. > > > > Thanks > > > > Gary > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 17:05:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73D6106568C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2F98FC14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mBAGxxHL036386; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:59:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mBAGxwoE036385; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:59:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:59:58 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Gary Hartl Message-ID: <20081210165958.GC36305@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000601c95ae7$54b25b90$fe1712b0$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000601c95ae7$54b25b90$fe1712b0$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Which ISO do i need X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:05:19 -0000 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:49:52AM -0500, Gary Hartl wrote: > Hi all; > > Ok so I 'm going with the reinstall option me thinks and I'm gonna try 7.0. > > I want to do a install over ftp since my just too lazy to burn all those > disks. > > Would I just need the bootonly.iso? Use the disc 1 and that should be plenty. I always do it over ftp. > > I'm doing a sparc64 install. Isn't 7.1 ready for sparc? It is nearly ready for release for i386. I haven't looked at that since I don't have any Sun machines to play with nowdays. ////jerry > > Thanks > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 17:06:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32451065675 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Robert.Hell@fabasoft.com) Received: from fabaglexfr.fabasoft.com (fabaglexfr.fabasoft.com [192.84.221.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7328FC17 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Robert.Hell@fabasoft.com) Received: from FABAMAIL.fabagl.fabasoft.com ([10.10.5.136]) by fabaglexfr.fabasoft.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:35:35 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:36:17 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PostgreSQL on FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 with more than 2GB shared memory thread-index: Acla5WyD3d2avIxyTR2dOGDm7nhosw== From: "Hell, Robert" To: Subject: PostgreSQL on FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 with more than 2GB shared memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:06:23 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to run PostgreSQL 8.3 on a FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 server with more than 2GB shared memory. The machine has 32GB RAM installed. After setting kern.ipc.shmmax and kern.ipc.shmall to the appropriate values, I still had no chance to start postgres with more than 2GB of shared memory. I wrote a small test which does the same as postgres: shmget and shmat: #include #include #include #include int main() { int shmid, memKey =3D 1; void *memAddress; unsigned long size =3D 2147483648UL; shmid =3D shmget(memKey, size, IPC_CREAT | IPC_EXCL); if (shmid < 0) { printf("shmget failed: %d\n", errno); return 1; } memAddress =3D shmat(shmid, NULL, 0); if (memAddress =3D=3D (void *) -1) { printf("shmat failed: %d\n", errno); } return 0; } I found out that shmget failed with ENOMEM in shmget_allocate_segment (sysv_shm.c) because of an overflow of size (requested shared memory in bytes): int i, segnum, shmid, size; ... size =3D round_page(uap->size); if (shm_committed + btoc(size) > shminfo.shmall) { return (ENOMEM); } When changing size to an unsigned long shmget works - but now shmat then fails again with ENOMEM. Is there any easy way to use a shared memory segment which is larger than 2GB? Kind regards, Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 17:12:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7263A1065672 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@sequestered.net) Received: from alcatraz.sequestered.net (alcatraz.sequestered.net [24.199.11.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D058FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@sequestered.net) Received: from singularity.sequestered.net (unknown [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jay@sequestered.net) by alcatraz.sequestered.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 40F10681DE; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:53:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493FF3F2.70403@sequestered.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:53:06 -0800 From: Corey Chandler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Hartl References: <000601c95ae7$54b25b90$fe1712b0$@com> In-Reply-To: <000601c95ae7$54b25b90$fe1712b0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SEQUESTERED-NET-MailScanner-Watermark: 1229532789.61793@XdFreGPTgABPLRRe0gGvJQ X-SEQUESTERED-NET-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Sequestered.net support for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 40F10681DE.189DE X-SEQUESTERED-NET-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SEQUESTERED-NET-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.6, required 6, J_CHICKENPOX_83 0.60) X-SEQUESTERED-NET-MailScanner-From: lists@sequestered.net X-Spam-Status: No Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Which ISO do i need X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:12:19 -0000 Gary Hartl wrote: > Hi all; > > Ok so I 'm going with the reinstall option me thinks and I'm gonna try 7.0. > > I want to do a install over ftp since my just too lazy to burn all those > disks. > > Would I just need the bootonly.iso? > > I'm doing a sparc64 install. > > Thanks > > Gary > If sparc64 has a bootonlyiso, that's all you need to do a network install... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 17:24:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697E1106567C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BF98FC14 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 26429 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 17:24:48 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Dec 2008 17:24:48 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 14CE850826; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:24:47 -0500 (EST) To: =?utf-8?B?16DXldeoINeT15DXldeT?= References: <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D018A795B@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D016E01D7@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> <20081210140247.2f634ab3.freebsd@edvax.de> <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D01830F79@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:24:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D01830F79@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> (=?utf-8?B?Iteg15XXqCDXk9eQ15XXkyIncw==?= message of "Wed\, 10 Dec 2008 15\:07\:56 +0200") Message-ID: <44hc5cq6xt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB Keyboard is not working with a custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:24:49 -0000 Please don't top-post. =D7=A0=D7=95=D7=A8 =D7=93=D7=90=D7=95=D7=93 writes: > OK... This could work eventually, but think about another fact: > With GENERIC kernel, everything works correctly. I plug and unplug the ke= yboard, and it interacts wonderfully. Right. The generic kernel has kbdmux these days. > Noor > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Polytropon [mailto:freebsd@edvax.de]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:03 PM > To: =D7=A0=D7=95=D7=A8 =D7=93=D7=90=D7=95=D7=93 > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: USB Keyboard is not working with a custom kernel > > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:33:44 +0200, "??? ????" wrote: >> With this kernel, whenever I connect a USB keyboard, I see on >> the console an alert ("USB keyboard device this and that, >> connected to ....") and even the make/model of the keyboard >> is shown, but the keyboard doesn't work. The Num/Caps locks >> work (I mean, the light on the keyboard alternates between >> ON/OFF whenever press on the keys). >>=20 >> Anyone knows what's the problem? And how to fix it? > > This *may* be due to kbdmux. On older FreeBSD systems (such > as FreeBSD 5), you had to manually change the active keyboard > using the kbdcontrol command. Let's say, you have an AT keyboard > present (which has the "focus") and you plugged in the USB > keyboard, the keyboard would get recognized and powered (so > you can toggle the Blinkenlights), but no input would come > from it. Then you would have to use the "focused" keyboard > /dev/kbd0 (=3D/dev/atkbd0) to "change focus" to the USB one > /dev/kbd1 (=3D/dev/ukbd0). Since kbdmux has been introduced, > "focus" is on all keybpards that are plugged into the system, > so it doesn't matter where you type something. > > Maybe you could check the presence of kbdmux or use an AT > keyboard to check via kbdcontrol. --=20 Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 17:28:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FDF106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0088FC1E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:28:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBAHSLWN011593; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:28:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBAHSK8i011590; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:28:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:28:20 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Hartl In-Reply-To: <000601c95ae7$54b25b90$fe1712b0$@com> Message-ID: <20081210182749.A11582@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <000601c95ae7$54b25b90$fe1712b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Which ISO do i need X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:28:33 -0000 > Ok so I 'm going with the reinstall option me thinks and I'm gonna try 7.0. get 7-branch through CVS or 7.1-BETA2 ISO. > > I want to do a install over ftp since my just too lazy to burn all those > disks. > > Would I just need the bootonly.iso? yes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 17:30:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC5B106567A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D988FC1B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:30:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBAHURDO011626; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:30:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBAHURYY011623; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:30:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:30:27 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Hell, Robert" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081210182957.H11618@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PostgreSQL on FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 with more than 2GB shared memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:30:40 -0000 > fails again with ENOMEM. > Is there any easy way to use a shared memory segment which is larger > than 2GB? getting two smaller ? :) no idea - maybe it's bug of SHM. as you already checked it please do sent-pr From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 17:33:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D814106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:33:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Robert.Hell@fabasoft.com) Received: from fabaglexfr.fabasoft.com (fabaglexfr.fabasoft.com [192.84.221.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990E18FC0C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:33:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Robert.Hell@fabasoft.com) Received: from FABAMAIL.fabagl.fabasoft.com ([10.10.5.136]) by fabaglexfr.fabasoft.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:32:37 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:33:18 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081210182957.H11618@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PostgreSQL on FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 with more than 2GB shared memory thread-index: Acla7QTyo8ty+zNySCqd+bH4LQoPqgAAEjZg References: <20081210182957.H11618@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> From: "Hell, Robert" To: Subject: RE: PostgreSQL on FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 with more than 2GB shared memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:33:22 -0000 I just found a bug report for that issue: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D121423&cat=3D Thanks, Robert -----Original Message----- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl]=20 Sent: Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2008 18:30 To: Hell, Robert Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PostgreSQL on FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 with more than 2GB shared memory > fails again with ENOMEM. > Is there any easy way to use a shared memory segment which is larger > than 2GB? getting two smaller ? :) no idea - maybe it's bug of SHM. as you already checked it please do=20 sent-pr From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 17:41:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48AA106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:41:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f18.google.com (mail-qy0-f18.google.com [209.85.221.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9038FC18 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:41:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so941711qyk.19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:41:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=fiF0XUL7ECiZ7xqdJIIf7deP7J8AJfmGiXHZdC1OAIk=; b=pYfOhn9r8Bt0CjN//5MQrMb00CVV37SSb40NIz7eidTNVKA9q6/OiIMwlvsNeweBog h+byZwxDGIKqXiJ4MJPCbA0uvrPb95jEtGXWDZflVIgx72jGbrDWXoYBe9uqikv+EtND tW9tLao8dbYTLJaDzndhpq7Gf3sQnOQmM21RU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=DapORC/U6uRHV4U2J4A5c9dQSWicMI0b+l3E2gg5Cns/ZarXEbOU+aOrRsTi9qucRl tybRtcs9+YaIj+aXWA95ZCiMcOwWf7kpCsCqS25nPelSb2LTUyrvvi2KRw8sS7DI/RfC KNMEkt6zXwz2++xOfXSzxMB2gHlrL/z3KXDlY= Received: by 10.214.80.1 with SMTP id d1mr2369374qab.288.1228930875817; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:41:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (c-71-230-240-241.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.230.240.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3249108qwh.56.2008.12.10.09.41.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:41:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:41:09 -0500 From: Glen Barber To: Gary Hartl Message-ID: <20081210174105.GB18820@phoenix.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> References: <000601c95ae7$54b25b90$fe1712b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000601c95ae7$54b25b90$fe1712b0$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Which ISO do i need X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:41:17 -0000 Gary Hartl said: > Hi all; > > Ok so I 'm going with the reinstall option me thinks and I'm gonna try 7.0. > > I want to do a install over ftp since my just too lazy to burn all those > disks. > Since 7.1 is in -RC1 status, why not go with that? > Would I just need the bootonly.iso? > > I'm doing a sparc64 install. > Not sure about sparc, but yes, the bootonly will be sufficient under normal circumstances. > Thanks > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 18:35:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CE21065672 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:35:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noor@comrax.com) Received: from smtp1.comrax.com (smtp1.comrax.com [62.219.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BA78FC1C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noor@comrax.com) Received: from corporate.local ([192.168.80.77]) by smtp1.comrax.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:35:29 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:33:52 +0200 Message-ID: <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D01830FE5@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 In-Reply-To: <44hc5cq6xt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: USB Keyboard is not working with a custom kernel Thread-Index: Acla7Ec6CpsRhS4uT5uAoQOMSo0B6AACVFTw References: <5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D018A795B@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL><5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D016E01D7@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL><20081210140247.2f634ab3.freebsd@edvax.de><5646C960E487E84C8307CF11C1EC0B3D01830F79@comrax-dom.CORPORATE.LOCAL> <44hc5cq6xt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?16DXldeoINeT15DXldeT?= To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2008 18:35:29.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[1398DE90:01C95AF6] Subject: RE: USB Keyboard is not working with a custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:35:05 -0000 PiANCj4gPiBPSy4uLiBUaGlzIGNvdWxkIHdvcmsgZXZlbnR1YWxseSwgYnV0IHRoaW5rIGFib3V0 IGFub3RoZXIgZmFjdDoNCj4gPiBXaXRoIEdFTkVSSUMga2VybmVsLCBldmVyeXRoaW5nIHdvcmtz IGNvcnJlY3RseS4gSSBwbHVnIGFuZCB1bnBsdWcNCj4gdGhlIGtleWJvYXJkLCBhbmQgaXQgaW50 ZXJhY3RzIHdvbmRlcmZ1bGx5Lg0KPiANCj4gUmlnaHQuICBUaGUgZ2VuZXJpYyBrZXJuZWwgaGFz IGtiZG11eCB0aGVzZSBkYXlzLg0KPiANCg0KSSBzZWUuLi4gdGhpcyBpcyBvbmUgcGllY2Ugb2Yg aW5mbyB0aGF0IEkgbmVlZGVkLCB0aGFua3MgYSBsb3QhIEkgd2lsbCBjaGVjayBpdCBhbmQgSSBo b3BlIGl0IHdvcmtzLg0KDQpOb29yDQoNCg0K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 18:50:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD058106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774B58FC18 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so129604anc.13 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:50:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=qNQi0aPbq+s5FslITkFkF8KykxeIgrPL5okyTalTRdw=; b=cFP8Pg9olD9Dq4nxuN0PqvOfva5hzUx3o4vzy71tulHs7lzuMyMv9L38EV4G3C96AD L8weJrlOCI3v8DQ3KCFTZE6ubv8WqPHqgRK6CYNM/+B6XV9pGOcLvrsxBTUWv/6m2RSw 632BWRuR5A3OtBkNZZzQMoa0aXkUgAgOOqttk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=OUFkUW5/tF5aX1rWMF2tlKWbAOQuurfgDWaEk2eZAIvJnRO2sWGUGOs2/XcpJFvz9x w0eaVBnVnbK5Qz5DSdcCLrciJpqSi5v30NoskVwZ8Qnicuwe0LCddB1/31fvZObwT0Yc uMzMEdOJ0SUVCxH6pYNotiJnpwmm1XghbGbZM= Received: by 10.101.70.15 with SMTP id x15mr1338352ank.112.1228935041638; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c40sm1596089anc.8.2008.12.10.10.50.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:50:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49400F82.3030007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:50:42 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_Rodriguez?= References: <20081209103518.T1048@localhost.my.domain> <20081209043837.GA5653@shepherd> <20081210105026.L889@localhost.my.domain> <490517.34837.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <490517.34837.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I need Install DB2 in Freebsd with a tool administration like webmin but for database DB2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:50:43 -0000 you want to install ibm db2 server? or you want to install db2 client? Tomás Rodriguez wrote: > Hi, everyone. > > I wanna install DB2 in my unix freebsd, but I never doing that, in fact I need a tool like GUI or like webmin, for the adminsitration of the DB2. who can help me with that. > I'll appreciate any help, because I have been very hurry with that I'll developer a tools in DB2 butnever worked in this database management, I always work in mysql server. > please any help? > > have a great day for everyone here. > sincerely > Tomas > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Richard KHOO Guan Chen > To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:58:13 PM > Subject: Re: portaudit -solved > > Thank you Sahil Tandon > > I have solved the problem. My ISP uses proxy for http (I think) as I have closed off port 80 and opened port 8080, and that has got me to the web with no problem. I have also been able to use ports installation with my ipf firewall setup, so I could not understand why portaudit command failed. I have now opened up port 80 and get the thing working. > > Your message got me thinking in this direction as you confiremed that the file is from http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports. > > Once again thanks and apologies for the late reply. > > > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Sahil Tandon wrote: > > >> Richard KHOO Guan Chen wrote: >> >> >>> I have recently installed 6.4 release and tried to do a portausidt -F. >>> No go reply was that auditfile.tbz unavailable. >>> >> By default, portaudit fetches the database from www.FreeBSD.org/ports. >> What is the output of the following commands on your machine? >> >> % wget http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz >> % fetch -1amp http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz >> >> Have you created or modified /usr/local/etc/portaudit.conf? >> >> -- Sahil Tandon >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:57:39 -0000 On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Dec 10), Dan Mahoney, System Admin said: >> I'm noticing that when following the directions given here: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-nis.html >> >> For how to disable logins, the recommended action is to set the shell to >> /sbin/nologin. >> >> However, this is sloppy as it allows the user to log in, get the >> motd, do everything short of getting a shell. >> >> I've tried starring out the password in the +::::::::: entry, (and >> putting in a "bad" password, like x), and those don't seem to work. >> I am still able to connect via sshd and prove that the account works. > > By default, the passwd field is ignored in an NIS + or - line. It looks > like if you rebuild libc with PW_OVERRIDE_PASSWD=1, you will get the > behaviour you're looking for (see the compat_set_template function in > src/lib/libc/gen/getpwent.c). Okay, let's look at it from an alternate tack then -- what else renders an account invalid? Is there a pam knob to check /etc/shells? Or an sshd option? I found these: http://osdir.com/ml/linux.admin.managers/2003-08/msg00016.html for a user who had a similar problem, but freebsd doesn't appear to have the requisite module. This could also be implemented as an option to pam_unix (which could check either /etc/shells or the NIS equivalent, since it already has the NIS hooks.) I'll make a separate post to -hackers requesting this. it's probably pretty trivial to port, but I'm leery to do so not-being a c-coder. -Dan -- "Of course she's gonna be upset! You're dealing with a woman here Dan, what the hell's wrong with you?" -S. 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Mail. = Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free= at http://mail.yahoo.ca From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 19:16:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E121065679 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E318FC26 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan-a.emsphone.com [199.67.51.107]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBAJGJRF001585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:16:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBAJGJda098933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:16:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBAJGHD6098932; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:16:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:16:17 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" Message-ID: <20081210191617.GD82227@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20081210160222.GB82227@dan.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.1, clamav-milter version 0.94.1 on email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:16:19 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to block NIS logins via ssh? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:20 -0000 In the last episode (Dec 10), Dan Mahoney, System Admin said: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Dan Nelson wrote: > > In the last episode (Dec 10), Dan Mahoney, System Admin said: > >> I'm noticing that when following the directions given here: > >> > >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-nis.html > >> > >> For how to disable logins, the recommended action is to set the shell to > >> /sbin/nologin. > >> > >> However, this is sloppy as it allows the user to log in, get the > >> motd, do everything short of getting a shell. > >> > >> I've tried starring out the password in the +::::::::: entry, (and > >> putting in a "bad" password, like x), and those don't seem to > >> work. I am still able to connect via sshd and prove that the > >> account works. > > > > By default, the passwd field is ignored in an NIS + or - line. It > > looks like if you rebuild libc with PW_OVERRIDE_PASSWD=1, you will > > get the behaviour you're looking for (see the compat_set_template > > function in src/lib/libc/gen/getpwent.c). > > Okay, let's look at it from an alternate tack then -- what else renders an > account invalid? > > Is there a pam knob to check /etc/shells? Or an sshd option? There's a pam_exec module which launches a program of your choice. You could look up the user's shell from there using whatever script you're comfortable with. Or, if all your NIS users are members of a certain group, you could use the pam_group module to deny them. > I found these: > > http://osdir.com/ml/linux.admin.managers/2003-08/msg00016.html > > for a user who had a similar problem, but freebsd doesn't appear to have > the requisite module. This could also be implemented as an option to > pam_unix (which could check either /etc/shells or the NIS equivalent, > since it already has the NIS hooks.) It looks like our pam_unix module has a "local_pass" option, whch claims to disallow NIS logins. Have you tried that? > I'll make a separate post to -hackers requesting this. > > it's probably pretty trivial to port, but I'm leery to do so > not-being a c-coder. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 19:20:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601301065670 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:20:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: from hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (hal.Rescomp.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.70.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A498FC08 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:20:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: by hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (Postfix, from userid 1225) id 10CC93C046E; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:20:11 -0800 From: Christopher Cowart To: Olivier Nicole Message-ID: <20081210192011.GC3409@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200812030508.mB358SUx095910@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20081203222520.GA19693@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <200812040337.mB43bGHE015979@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dkEUBIird37B8yKS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200812040337.mB43bGHE015979@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Organization: RSSP-IT, UC Berkeley User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall with bridged interfaces and captive portal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:20:17 -0000 --dkEUBIird37B8yKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Olivier Nicole wrote: >>> I need to implement a firewall with bridged interfaces that offers >>> captive portal (authentication before opening the traffic). >>=20 >> We are using a combination of squid+ipfw. Although we are NATing the >> users, that really just introduces needless complexity that could be >> avoided with a bridging solution. >>=20 >> Our web-app/captive portal/authentication program is written in-house; >> it's very tightly integrated with several existing pieces of >> infrastructure. I don't know if there are any solutions that will work >> out-of-the-box. >>=20 >> I can get you more technical details if this is a direction you'd be >> interested in moving. >=20 > Long time ago I have been toying with ipf (for the genral firewall) > and NoCat+ipfw for the captive portal. >=20 > But that did not work too well, so any technical information will be > appreciated :) >=20 > My long term vision is a quite integrated thing, where users that read > their email and authenticate to POP3/IMAP would be granted the access > without the need to authenticate to the web portal. Hi, Sorry it's taken a while to get back to you on this. You're going to want to get squid up and running as a transparent proxy. You will probably want to write a redirect script [1]. Mine checks against a small set of always-authorized URLs that squid is allowed to proxy for; any other HTTP request will receive a redirect: printf "302:%s%s\n" "${default_url}" "$suffix" The URL points to the webserver running on the aux-router (as we call it). The www user has passwordless sudo rules that allow the web code to call scripts for adding and removing a client to and from ipfw tables [2]. You're also going to need to get ipfw to play with bridging. For this, you'll need to `sysctl -w net.link.bridge.ipfw=3D1` [3]. The portion of your ruleset is going to look something like this: TABLE_AUTH=3D'table(10)' $cmd allow all from $TABLE_AUTH to any bridged $cmd allow all from any to $TABLE_AUTH bridged $cmd fwd 127.0.0.1,3128 tcp from $MY_SUBNET to any http bridged $cmd deny all from any to any bridged NB: you may need IPFIREWALL_FORWARD enabled to get full use of the fwd action. You'll also probably need to poke holes for or deal with DNS, any remote webserver your authentication process may require access to, etc. Also note, I haven't actually done this with bridging, so your mileage my vary. I found 2 tools to be invaluable when working on this project: 1) tcpdump (use -i for interface, and watch the traffic in order to profile exactly what you need to allow, fwd, etc.). 2) ipfw logging. I found that on any deny rule, especially when troubleshooting, I'd do something like: $cmd deny log logamount 0 all from any to any bridged Or, just as useful, but you can stick anywhere in the middle without affecting packet flow: $cmd count log logamount 0 all from any to any bridged NB: AFAIK, requires kernel option IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE I might be able to give you some more pointers if you get stumped, but I hope this helps you get well on your way. [1] http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/SquidRedirectors [2] ipfw(8) /LOOKUP TABLES [3] ipfw(8) /PACKET FLOW --=20 Chris Cowart Network Technical Lead Network & Infrastructure Services, RSSP-IT UC Berkeley --dkEUBIird37B8yKS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAwAGBQJJQBZrAAoJEIGh6j3cHUNPmrkQAJqhs3wXTkWbQN0Bye4dufjN ot50eNBrh7ycNAdy5Kgj1fm1iawt3jMPGAIKxYKMyLU/3P0VDG0lyhdMgiRiCNlP K9XStHWC3ghZVyiiiUH7pd8A10wJkxkrNVLvL1iaggPnbCyoZzElk7cdMcC7wFJl oQXNRefkspG0A3mi+vkCZfg5rkq+t01Ytd52NlyWCluhQsuC6uWkevK9eqDwTEtU MRwIg9EKyDBXVoHizJmO80Wy1pgN6dP7Wph63pAVJoZQxeZ0w3jKccygdVc7IlfY QAIeduLgtV0/mIT10E34r9d9vQCTUg/NQ6sLZlD5hZ+J25sTg6Hv74ZchJhfxG36 geuryxc7vmpVXr/foKsmb1Bek8oeEbSFp1WUkDhR9TSlR7KiUjtixVokwmbJ57EJ qK8rQqZWBCIJWK+5EIE3vo3I3lAgEp/EzOTTurGP+9wATK1p2J8f1dSD3rcJ6EXY Gi7fX+4byAsNjXXRlv1erdWgWvKpzoRzKbLqVnBtlqau+59GPn7wxPb1qWYrodek dguA2clPGJZB3nSyUGE4ewRqL9KOAYEuk22J/B0gAY6Hm+/2KWGQJ1cG0MRgGiI3 cvx5W/yj9OafRb9i1bKAKT9cU4gAaG5Xba30kGbMfDtm0mLbMkwUFSn1yNoWcac1 gRZIy0pQmR1dfPYapB3Y =ziR6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dkEUBIird37B8yKS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 19:30:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08253106564A for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net (Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net [64.251.15.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D713C8FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from cpe-24-167-59-175.hot.res.rr.com ([24.167.59.175] helo=[192.168.93.2]) by Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LAUlV-0000BI-1j for FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:30:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:30:25 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Monceaux X-X-Sender: dokpm0@Blaidd-Drwg.RawFedDogs.net To: FreeBSD Questions E-Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net Cc: Subject: Re: slim(Simple LogIn Manager) problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:30:37 -0000 On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > If I disable slim in /etc/ttys and start it via /usr/local/etc/rc.d/slim I > can sign on and everything works except the mouse, and in terminal sessions I > start my path is wrong. Okay, I think I figured out where the path I'm getting when using slim is coming from. I never noticed that slim.conf has a default path setting. In my slim.conf I have: default_path ./:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin It would be nice to have it honor the path in /etc/login.conf but it's simple enough to set the path in slim.conf to the same. Now, if I can just figure out why my mouse won't work when I sign on via slim, but works if I start X via startx ... Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 21:27:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA19106567A; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DCA8FC25; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl22-219.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.149.219]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBALRWAt004298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:27:38 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBALRWqG006915; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:27:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBALRVKI006914; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:27:31 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Michael Proto" References: <1de79840812092149t4d212027o2c908635419fa838@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:27:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1de79840812092149t4d212027o2c908635419fa838@mail.gmail.com> (Michael Proto's message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:49:58 -0500") Message-ID: <87zlj390vw.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBALRWAt004298 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.301, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: FreeBSD Current , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: behavioral change of "read" builtin for sh on 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:27:42 -0000 Hi Michael, This looks like a bug in 8.0-CURRENT. Can you please file a bug report and include the text you sent below? On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:49:58 -0500, "Michael Proto" wrote: > I've noticed a behavioral difference of the "read" builtin statement within > /bin/sh on CURRENT and I'm hoping someone can point me in the right > direction on how to restore the old behavior. > > I have a /bin/sh script that accepts input for IP address information: > > #!/bin/sh > set -x > DEFINT=vr0 > DEFIP=192.168.0.1 > DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 > read -p "Enter network interface [$DEFINT]: " -t 5 INT > read -p "Enter IP address [$DEFIP]: " -t 5 IP > read -p "Enter netmask [$DEFMASK]: " -t 5 MASK > echo ${INT:=$DEFINT} : ${IP:=$DEFIP}/${MASK:=$DEFMASK} > > This script waits for terminal input for each of the above variables (INT, > IP, MASK) and defaults to a script-provided value if no input is entered in > 5 seconds for each variable. On 6.x and 7.x if I simply hit Enter at the > prompt (and don't provide any input) no value is assigned to the variable so > my INT, IP, and MASK variables are set to null and the parameter > substitution of the DEF* variables works as expected. > > On 8-CURRENT if I hit Enter with no input at the prompt the system seems to > recognize the newline as input and continues to sit there until I hit Enter > again. When I do this there appears to be a strange unprintable value > assigned to the INT, IP, and MASK variables yet the variable subsitution > doesn't work correctly. > > The man page on sh lists the following behavior for read: > > read [-p prompt] [-t timeout] [-er] variable ... > The prompt is printed if the -p option is specified and the > stan- > dard input is a terminal. Then a line is read from the > standard > input. The trailing newline is deleted from the line and the > line is split as described in the section on White Space > Splitting (Field Splitting) above, and the pieces are assigned > to > the variables in order. If there are more pieces than > variables, > the remaining pieces (along with the characters in IFS that > sepa- > rated them) are assigned to the last variable. If there are > more > variables than pieces, the remaining variables are assigned the > null string. > > > As I interpret this, read should delete the trailing newline and assign a > null value since there is is no "input" before the newline. Then the > variable substitution should take over and assign the DEF* variables > appropriately. 6 and 7 follow this but 8 does not. > > Here's the output of the script (with set -x) to help show what I'm seeing. > > This is on 6 and 7: > > + DEFINT=vr0 > + DEFIP=192.168.0.1 > + DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 > + read -p Enter network interface [vr0]: -t 5 INT > Enter network interface [vr0]: > + read -p Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: -t 5 IP > Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: > + read -p Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: -t 5 MASK > Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: > + echo vr0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 > vr0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 > > > And this is what I see with 8: > > + DEFINT=vr0 > + DEFIP=192.168.0.1 > + DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 > + read -p Enter network interface [vr0]: -t 5 INT > Enter network interface [vr0]: > + read -p Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: -t 5 IP > Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: > + read -p Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: -t 5 MASK > Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: > /: cho > /: > > Strange that the "echo" statement is missing the first "e" character in the > debug output. > > Even stranger on 8-CURRENT, if I *do* enter input before the newline (say I > change the IP address or the network interface), the first character is not > echoed back to the screen but is still saved to the variable. Here's an > example when I run the script and provide input at each prompt: > > + DEFINT=vr0 > + DEFIP=192.168.0.1 > + DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 > + read -p Enter network interface [vr0]: -t 5 INT > Enter network interface [vr0]: r0 > + read -p Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: -t 5 IP > Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: 92.168.0.1 > + read -p Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: -t 5 MASK > Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: 55.255.255.0 > + echo br0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 > br0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 > + echo ifconfig br0 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > Notice that when I'm prompted, the first character doesn't echo but is still > saved in the variable. > > > Does anyone else see this same behavior? Any ideas on how to reset it back > to how it works in STABLE? I'm not doing anything special with IFS so I'm > stumped on how to troubleshoot this. > > > > Thanks, > Proto > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 21:36:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A3D1065675 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:36:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from gsicomp.on.ca (gsicomp.on.ca [200.46.208.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A028FC16 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:36:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1181BFCA5D2; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gsicomp.on.ca ([200.46.208.251]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22634-06; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:23:22 -0400 (AST) Received: from hermes (CPE00062566c7bb-CM001ac3584898.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.255.62.215]) by gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 56AACFCA5D1; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: From: "Matt Emmerton" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_Rodriguez?= , References: <20081209103518.T1048@localhost.my.domain><20081209043837.GA5653@shepherd><20081210105026.L889@localhost.my.domain><490517.34837.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com><49400F82.3030007@gmail.com> <937235.3218.qm@web56503.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:23:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Cc: Subject: Re: I need Install DB2 in Freebsd with a tool administration likewebmin but for database DB2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:36:28 -0000 Tomas, DB2 comes with a Java-based GUI administration tool called the DB2 Control Center. Unfortunately, it can only be installed on a supported DB2 client platform, such as Linux, Windows or various commercial UNIX platforms. DB2 does not currently have any other type of GUI administration tool. Regards, Matt Emmerton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomás Rodriguez" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: Re: I need Install DB2 in Freebsd with a tool administration likewebmin but for database DB2 thanks Michael well I wanna install ibm db2 server for developer one application in PHP or Java, but I need a graphic tools for his administration. thanks again sincerely TOMAS ----- Original Message ---- > From: michael > To: Tomás Rodriguez > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:50:42 PM > Subject: Re: I need Install DB2 in Freebsd with a tool administration like > webmin but for database DB2 > > you want to install ibm db2 server? or you want to install db2 client? > > Tomás Rodriguez wrote: > > Hi, everyone. > > > > I wanna install DB2 in my unix freebsd, but I never doing that, in fact > > I need > a tool like GUI or like webmin, for the adminsitration of the DB2. who can > help > me with that. > > I'll appreciate any help, because I have been very hurry with that I'll > developer a tools in DB2 butnever worked in this database management, I > always > work in mysql server. > > please any help? > > > > have a great day for everyone here. > > sincerely > > Tomas > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Richard KHOO Guan Chen > > To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:58:13 PM > > Subject: Re: portaudit -solved > > > > Thank you Sahil Tandon > > > > I have solved the problem. My ISP uses proxy for http (I think) as I > > have > closed off port 80 and opened port 8080, and that has got me to the web > with no > problem. I have also been able to use ports installation with my ipf > firewall > setup, so I could not understand why portaudit command failed. I have now > opened > up port 80 and get the thing working. > > > > Your message got me thinking in this direction as you confiremed that > > the file > is from http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports. > > > > Once again thanks and apologies for the late reply. > > > > > > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Sahil Tandon wrote: > > > > > >> Richard KHOO Guan Chen wrote: > >> > >> > >>> I have recently installed 6.4 release and tried to do a portausidt -F. > >>> No go reply was that auditfile.tbz unavailable. > >>> > >> By default, portaudit fetches the database from www.FreeBSD.org/ports. > >> What is the output of the following commands on your machine? > >> > >> % wget http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz > >> % fetch -1amp http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz > >> > >> Have you created or modified /usr/local/etc/portaudit.conf? > >> > >> -- Sahil Tandon > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 9:30 AM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 22:04:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161891065672 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D598FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:04:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so332262ywe.13 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:04:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=rqB/dLGFE7Tw8g4qBtpboMBR5gK7WZ7FQ2LKUw9n8ak=; b=niGPi3kOmg2tVTW7ezohwRS+pJgBYLNE4dloLTzR2xs3TLbSeJY81HOc/0BTajliJU WFk0eDcVsaDJ5NkkmacNKyzfFi+Q6vk+TB+IzNYziRXLWeNZaACteHNU3rJqousX5G7a WFgUL4HSvhxUikwHlmcOISKTj8a7+I9JxFTfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=QvzKe6Ktxo5mDnGeOmBrDTqTs0OgT2gkNd2nX6ccnQm5W+dQ66Qi2dlrqTo2qctfp/ EkDiGcXua1Xqo5uVEKGEWDTJ42sCLjI8pcD+cYcwi+I8P+zIMqIW6ajMaxnRpPv5KhA7 05E16HFVECGjUqjfk+1mkgG+vCNavO02W6qq0= Received: by 10.65.84.15 with SMTP id m15mr1483189qbl.54.1228946695495; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p6sm86469qbp.12.2008.12.10.14.04.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:04:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:04:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c95b13$378418c0$a68c4a40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclbEzabW9M3Y29TRam+tM+6Mwh6Hw== Content-Language: en-ca Subject: mounting /usr/local on separate drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:04:57 -0000 Hi all; Ok i'm working on this netra here. There are a couple of annoying things about these things and one of em is that you can only have a single drive on either IDE controller (masters only no slaves allowed). So my goal was to have two 20g drives on this machine one of them being dedicated to /usr/local Since I can only have one single HDD, hooked up during install everything gets installed on a single drive. I'm wondering if it is possible to move /usr/local to the second drive in some post installation method, Once i have the disk prepared with a ufs file system, is it just as simple as editing /etc/fstab and moving it over. Or is it slightly more complicated since /usr/local has important stuff in it. I'm doing this from a fresh install, so no extra packages are being added yet. Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 22:25:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A888E1065670 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:25:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5BD8FC16 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:25:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mBAMKFQb037501; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:20:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mBAMKFnd037500; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:20:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:20:15 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Gary Hartl Message-ID: <20081210222015.GC37407@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000001c95b13$378418c0$a68c4a40$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000001c95b13$378418c0$a68c4a40$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: mounting /usr/local on separate drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:25:37 -0000 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 05:04:03PM -0500, Gary Hartl wrote: > Hi all; > > Ok i'm working on this netra here. > > There are a couple of annoying things about these things and one of em is > that you can only have a single drive on either IDE controller (masters only > no slaves allowed). > > So my goal was to have two 20g drives on this machine one of them being > dedicated to /usr/local > > Since I can only have one single HDD, hooked up during install everything > gets installed on a single drive. > > I'm wondering if it is possible to move /usr/local to the second drive in > some post installation method, > > Once i have the disk prepared with a ufs file system, is it just as simple > as editing /etc/fstab and moving it over. Or is it slightly more > complicated since /usr/local has important stuff in it. Yup. That is it. Remember that the mount point and the partition are two very different things and have no relationship with each other except when that partition is mounted on that mount point. You can remount almost anything anywhere as long as it isn't being used at the moment (so root is a little difficult). By the way, /usr/local does not have 'important' stuff on it by default. It is only what you put there. A standard installation, before ports and other extras are added, puts nothing in /usr/local. You do not need to create a separate file system for /usr/local if you don't want to. If you want to add a lot of stuff to a filesystem you call /usr/local after a fresh install, I would suggest you just do the install without any /usr/local and then create it first thing after the initial install and put it in /etc/fstab. At that point you shouldn't have anything to move over there. Just fdisk, bsdlabel and newfs it and then mount it and start using it. If you manage to write some stuff in /usr/local before creating the new partition, then mounting it on the /usr/local mount point will cover that stuff up. To copy it, you will need to mount the new partition on something else - say /junk - and copy stuff to it and then clean it out (just to reduce confusion, the system won't care) and then remount the new partition as /usr/local from /junk. ////jerry > > I'm doing this from a fresh install, so no extra packages are being added > yet. > > Thanks > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 22:51:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4826A1065740 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@cauquenes.cl) Received: from cauquenes.cl (200-54-154-10.static.tie.cl [200.54.154.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C888FC21 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@cauquenes.cl) Received: from cauquenes.cl (alhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cauquenes.cl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id mBAKb6C9028500 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:37:06 -0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by cauquenes.cl (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id mBAKb5JV028498; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:37:05 -0300 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:37:05 -0300 Message-Id: <200812102037.mBAKb5JV028498@cauquenes.cl> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: GADGETS LIMITED (UK) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Get Your Blackberry Storm9500/$350 or Apple iphone 16GB/$250 or Blackberry Bold/$300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gadgetsltd2@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:51:25 -0000 eND OF YR bONUS: Blackberry Storm,Apple iPhone,Samsung Omnia GSM PHONES Apple iPhone 16GB............$250 USD Blackberry Bold..............$300 USD Blackberry Storm.............$350 USD Samsung Omnia i900 (16GB)....$470 USD HTC Touch Pro................$400 USD HTC Diamond .................$400 USD Nokia N96....................$350 USD Nokia N85....................$350 USD Nokia E71....................$300 USD Nokia E66....................$300 USD Motorola V3i D&G......$250 USD Nokia N95......... ...$320 USD Nokia N93......... ...$260 USD Nokia N93i ...........$280 USD Nokia N70 ............$160 USD Nokia N72 ............$175 USD Nokia N73 ............$250 USD Nokia N80 ............$200 USD Nokia N90 ............$200 USD Nokia N91 ............$200 USD SONY PS3 (60GB) = $300 USD BUY ANY 10 UNITS AND GET 2 FREE All GSM Phones,Brand New,Tri- Band and Video Games are also Brand new with Complete Accessories plus Int'l Warranty . e-mail us for more enquiry gadgetsltd2@gmail.com Robert Johnson GADGETS LIMITED (UK) LTD Registered No. 05881519 THE OLD STABLES, ARUNDEL ROAD, POLING, ARUNDEL, WEST SUSSEX, BN18 9QA, UK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 05:23:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BAF1065670; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@jellydonut.org) Received: from mail-fx0-f19.google.com (mail-fx0-f19.google.com [209.85.220.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C598FC1B; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@jellydonut.org) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so374573fxm.19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.28.15 with SMTP id f15mr605520bkj.75.1228972983177; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.240.8 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:23:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1de79840812102123p2144fb37hc9a0b2c958061c34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:23:03 -0500 From: "Michael Proto" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" In-Reply-To: <87zlj390vw.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1de79840812092149t4d212027o2c908635419fa838@mail.gmail.com> <87zlj390vw.fsf@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Current , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: behavioral change of "read" builtin for sh on 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:23:06 -0000 Thanks! PR 129566 filed on this issue. -Proto On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Hi Michael, > > This looks like a bug in 8.0-CURRENT. > > Can you please file a bug report and include the text you sent below? > > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:49:58 -0500, "Michael Proto" > wrote: > > I've noticed a behavioral difference of the "read" builtin statement > within > > /bin/sh on CURRENT and I'm hoping someone can point me in the right > > direction on how to restore the old behavior. > > > > I have a /bin/sh script that accepts input for IP address information: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > set -x > > DEFINT=vr0 > > DEFIP=192.168.0.1 > > DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 > > read -p "Enter network interface [$DEFINT]: " -t 5 INT > > read -p "Enter IP address [$DEFIP]: " -t 5 IP > > read -p "Enter netmask [$DEFMASK]: " -t 5 MASK > > echo ${INT:=$DEFINT} : ${IP:=$DEFIP}/${MASK:=$DEFMASK} > > > > This script waits for terminal input for each of the above variables > (INT, > > IP, MASK) and defaults to a script-provided value if no input is entered > in > > 5 seconds for each variable. On 6.x and 7.x if I simply hit Enter at the > > prompt (and don't provide any input) no value is assigned to the variable > so > > my INT, IP, and MASK variables are set to null and the parameter > > substitution of the DEF* variables works as expected. > > > > On 8-CURRENT if I hit Enter with no input at the prompt the system seems > to > > recognize the newline as input and continues to sit there until I hit > Enter > > again. When I do this there appears to be a strange unprintable value > > assigned to the INT, IP, and MASK variables yet the variable subsitution > > doesn't work correctly. > > > > The man page on sh lists the following behavior for read: > > > > read [-p prompt] [-t timeout] [-er] variable ... > > The prompt is printed if the -p option is specified and the > > stan- > > dard input is a terminal. Then a line is read from the > > standard > > input. The trailing newline is deleted from the line and > the > > line is split as described in the section on White Space > > Splitting (Field Splitting) above, and the pieces are > assigned > > to > > the variables in order. If there are more pieces than > > variables, > > the remaining pieces (along with the characters in IFS that > > sepa- > > rated them) are assigned to the last variable. If there are > > more > > variables than pieces, the remaining variables are assigned > the > > null string. > > > > > > As I interpret this, read should delete the trailing newline and assign a > > null value since there is is no "input" before the newline. Then the > > variable substitution should take over and assign the DEF* variables > > appropriately. 6 and 7 follow this but 8 does not. > > > > Here's the output of the script (with set -x) to help show what I'm > seeing. > > > > This is on 6 and 7: > > > > + DEFINT=vr0 > > + DEFIP=192.168.0.1 > > + DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 > > + read -p Enter network interface [vr0]: -t 5 INT > > Enter network interface [vr0]: > > + read -p Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: -t 5 IP > > Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: > > + read -p Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: -t 5 MASK > > Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: > > + echo vr0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 > > vr0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 > > > > > > And this is what I see with 8: > > > > + DEFINT=vr0 > > + DEFIP=192.168.0.1 > > + DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 > > + read -p Enter network interface [vr0]: -t 5 INT > > Enter network interface [vr0]: > > + read -p Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: -t 5 IP > > Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: > > + read -p Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: -t 5 MASK > > Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: > > /: cho > > /: > > > > Strange that the "echo" statement is missing the first "e" character in > the > > debug output. > > > > Even stranger on 8-CURRENT, if I *do* enter input before the newline (say > I > > change the IP address or the network interface), the first character is > not > > echoed back to the screen but is still saved to the variable. Here's an > > example when I run the script and provide input at each prompt: > > > > + DEFINT=vr0 > > + DEFIP=192.168.0.1 > > + DEFMASK=255.255.255.0 > > + read -p Enter network interface [vr0]: -t 5 INT > > Enter network interface [vr0]: r0 > > + read -p Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: -t 5 IP > > Enter IP address [192.168.0.1]: 92.168.0.1 > > + read -p Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: -t 5 MASK > > Enter netmask [255.255.255.0]: 55.255.255.0 > > + echo br0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 > > br0 : 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 > > + echo ifconfig br0 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > > > Notice that when I'm prompted, the first character doesn't echo but is > still > > saved in the variable. > > > > > > Does anyone else see this same behavior? Any ideas on how to reset it > back > > to how it works in STABLE? I'm not doing anything special with IFS so I'm > > stumped on how to troubleshoot this. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Proto > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 06:37:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4CE1065677 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC898FC16 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.175] (unknown [192.168.0.175]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B4C407A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:47:29 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:46:49 +1000 Message-Id: <1228733209.4495.12.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:37:29 -0000 On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: > IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement, > it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed > a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization > to improve its basic product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which > are the future of computing. Ok. So what needs improvement and where to start? Not being critical, I'm interested in this. Personally though, I think the business model here is a failure and seriously flawed. And yes, I did study business at Monash (and butted heads constantly; IF you don't look out for the health and well being of a community, environment, employees, whatever- the extreme social responsibility- then the clients and potential clients die, ergo no customers therefore no money to be made. Thats looking after your bottomline: Duh!) and saw this continually. Marketing the same; appealing to all markets is extremely lucrative, and with the technology literally at our fingertips can be very easy to do. So why not just pull the finger out and do it instead of saying its too hard, too much trouble, etc. Old people at the wheel stuck on old ways and refusing to budge (no offense intended to those on the list- I have a lot of respect for those in technology; strangely the inverse is true- they actually know what they're doing and do it properly the first time) in management. Sorry for the rant, but that's just my 2c. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 07:10:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41151065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [72.9.101.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3E78FC08 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prime.gushi.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBB7ACDL088182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:10:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 prime.gushi.org mBB7ACDL088182 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=prime.gushi.org; s=primegushiorg; t=1228962876; bh=7dgi1HOhUhmG8lVAnPHbyUd9wvBUW02yJ 1nuq7TSmrM=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SF0mfCNlLLwhx5lAZn9VwNowIA t19mTyns4gGqD82EkzEp9IJU/zZPtdpeRWjFB3Xq/vzhwdLMtlM+vHLXGkKA== X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v1.0.0 prime.gushi.org mBB7ACDL088182 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=primegushiorg; d=prime.gushi.org; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:user-agent:x-openpgp-key-id:mime-version:content-type; b=ZBseIeYJjJ6kzNqn9USns2iIIXG3FfR/Jx6bdwAcuzbzXOPVEkDvYhw8FNSOo8ywA YAM4xjVXqoYd8iP99kl8Q== Received: (from danm@localhost) by prime.gushi.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id mBB7AA1I088173; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:10:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from danm) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:10:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" To: Dan Nelson In-Reply-To: <20081210191617.GD82227@dan.emsphone.com> Message-ID: References: <20081210160222.GB82227@dan.emsphone.com> <20081210191617.GD82227@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0x624BB249 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (prime.gushi.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to block NIS logins via ssh? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:10:25 -0000 On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Dec 10), Dan Mahoney, System Admin said: >> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Dan Nelson wrote: >>> In the last episode (Dec 10), Dan Mahoney, System Admin said: >>>> I'm noticing that when following the directions given here: >>>> >>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-nis.html >>>> >>>> For how to disable logins, the recommended action is to set the shell to >>>> /sbin/nologin. >>>> >>>> However, this is sloppy as it allows the user to log in, get the >>>> motd, do everything short of getting a shell. >>>> >>>> I've tried starring out the password in the +::::::::: entry, (and >>>> putting in a "bad" password, like x), and those don't seem to >>>> work. I am still able to connect via sshd and prove that the >>>> account works. >>> >>> By default, the passwd field is ignored in an NIS + or - line. It >>> looks like if you rebuild libc with PW_OVERRIDE_PASSWD=1, you will >>> get the behaviour you're looking for (see the compat_set_template >>> function in src/lib/libc/gen/getpwent.c). >> >> Okay, let's look at it from an alternate tack then -- what else renders an >> account invalid? >> >> Is there a pam knob to check /etc/shells? Or an sshd option? > > There's a pam_exec module which launches a program of your choice. You > could look up the user's shell from there using whatever script you're > comfortable with. Or, if all your NIS users are members of a certain > group, you could use the pam_group module to deny them. > >> I found these: >> >> http://osdir.com/ml/linux.admin.managers/2003-08/msg00016.html >> >> for a user who had a similar problem, but freebsd doesn't appear to have >> the requisite module. This could also be implemented as an option to >> pam_unix (which could check either /etc/shells or the NIS equivalent, >> since it already has the NIS hooks.) > > It looks like our pam_unix module has a "local_pass" option, whch > claims to disallow NIS logins. Have you tried that? No, I'm using netgroups -- i.e. allow one user (or, rather, allow the @STAFF group, import the whole map, disallow the rest from logging in.) Actually, I just found the answer to this...instead of putting "nologin" in, put in something bogus (I'm using /nonexistent)...and the password will just loop. This is something sshd does internally. Given, there's several solutions to this: 1) The Kluge as above. 2) A pam module to check /etc/group (this is standard login behavior, and historically supported, and available on other platforms, adding a module, even to ports, is trivial. 3) A patch to openssh to do /etc/shells checking (I'll note that openSSH has the "UseLogin" option, which may also do this. 4) An option to pam_unix to check this. Differs from #2 in that it's a change to an existing module instead of one in ports. -Dan -- "The first annual 5th of July party...have you been invited?" "It's a Jack Party." "Okay, so Long Island's been invited." --Cali and Gushi, 6/23/02 --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 07:17:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381861065673 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gautham@lisphacker.org) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB8C8FC0C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gautham@lisphacker.org) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so380118wag.27 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.108.1 with SMTP id k1mr1635274wam.0.1228978016864; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.171.9 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:46:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:16:56 +0530 From: "Gautham Ganapathy" To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: gnome process taking too much cpu in freebsd 7.1-BETA2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:17:29 -0000 Hi I just installed freebsd 7.1-BETA2. After starting GNOME, my CPU usage remains very high and top shows that the process polkit-gnome-manage is using up a lot of CPU (around 51%) when the laptop is idle. Any idea what might cause this? After logging into GNOME from gdm, the splash screen does not go off on it's own. Not sure if these are connected. -- Gautham Ganapathy http://lisphacker.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 08:11:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DB71065673 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5B48FC1D for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5343DAFC1C6; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:11:28 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:04:30 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812110904.30416.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Gian Paolo Buono Subject: Re: Monitoring Threshold Interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:11:29 -0000 On Wednesday 10 December 2008 11:57:34 Gian Paolo Buono wrote: > Hi, > > I would like monitoring an interface and allarm if it exceeds the threshold > of 900 Mbit. > > Do you know any struments ? net/bmon can monitor and put into a database or dump to text file. From there anything is possible. It doesn't use much in terms of resources. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 08:11:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFC41065676 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C538FC18 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8F5AFC1FF; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:11:28 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:11:26 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20081210191617.GD82227@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812110911.27184.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" , Dan Nelson Subject: Re: How to block NIS logins via ssh? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:11:29 -0000 On Thursday 11 December 2008 08:10:09 Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > Given, there's several solutions to this: > > 1) The Kluge as above. > > 2) A pam module to check /etc/group (this is standard login behavior, and > historically supported, and available on other platforms, adding a module, > even to ports, is trivial. > > 3) A patch to openssh to do /etc/shells checking (I'll note that openSSH > has the "UseLogin" option, which may also do this. > > 4) An option to pam_unix to check this. Differs from #2 in that it's a > change to an existing module instead of one in ports. 5) Use AllowGroups/AllowUsers and/or their Deny equivalent in sshd_config. 6) Disable password based logins and use keys only. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 08:14:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23531065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:14:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wsw1wsw2@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684138FC17 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:14:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wsw1wsw2@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so873591fkk.11 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:14:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :x-goomoji-body:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yiFsZl+R8QGfVn4fmNtHKrkAoXpDeCd68AYk6FggjcI=; b=CkSWr/SjA9LIrOKVc9mIsLa2PAUHZapnDBalCNGv15h45cyR2QV9GMPKzFF8yUDZ5n r0m0yyCYkhsQSESjTxMKlrjxd58TkXqxrifgeKnRL0qlYZ53agXfWrpzv8Fh2W+5ABkS zgQpGXgt5WNDBHqhascHqyBodT6STr7PiXYhc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:x-goomoji-body:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=TUK2CboKDTkvA8z0z50l6RMrzUjg5nF3jhfgt0NJgoz3x+3cwxLU4wDIHKtSb7S9ux OfwTdKt0uQeN6OVWUNyUdYkXUGpMqPAZbgRa3QJk4LstkQ+FKfUI5nqhn5kn+unM5ukD tjVjWlOd6Ceta5UoT1i1d173Y2kqtHUtc6ZUs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.14.6 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:41:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <18750.53868.986698.928834@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <18750.53868.986698.928834@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Goomoji-Body: true Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:41:46 +0800 Message-ID: <2e566b9e0812102341h6612eb9flfe7b84f82618589d@mail.gmail.com> From: "Shaowei Wang (wsw)" To: Robert Huff Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=001636c5c137ba5e7e045dc0f83a X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Joe S , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD update warns about 7.0 end of life X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:14:57 -0000 --001636c5c137ba5e7e045dc0f83a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The FreeBSD-7.1 is coming soon and we should let 7.0 go ... [?] On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Robert Huff wrote: > > Joe S writes: > > > When running freebsd-update on FreeBSD 7.0, I noticed this message: > > > > WARNING: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. > > Key concept: "RELEASE". > > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --001636c5c137ba5e7e045dc0f83a-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 08:37:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFAFB1065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:37:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: from smtp.teledomenet.gr (smtp.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D918FC16 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:37:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@teledomenet.gr) Received: by smtp.teledomenet.gr (Postfix, from userid 58) id 1254C14208C; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:37:34 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on smtp.teledomenet.gr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from iris.teledomenet.local (unknown [192.168.1.71]) by smtp.teledomenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F03142072; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:37:30 +0200 (EET) From: Nikos Vassiliadis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:36:49 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200812110904.30416.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200812110904.30416.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> X-NCC-RegID: gr.telehouse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812111036.49943.nvass@teledomenet.gr> Cc: Mel , Gian Paolo Buono Subject: Re: Monitoring Threshold Interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:37:38 -0000 On Thursday 11 December 2008 10:04:30 Mel wrote: > On Wednesday 10 December 2008 11:57:34 Gian Paolo Buono wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I would like monitoring an interface and allarm if it exceeds the > > threshold of 900 Mbit. > > > > Do you know any struments ? > > net/bmon can monitor and put into a database or dump to text file. From > there anything is possible. It doesn't use much in terms of resources. He could use "netstat -I $interface $interval". E.g. "netstat -I fxp0 1". I assume that Gian is talking about 900mbits/sec. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 09:48:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A251065690 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8B98FC2D for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBB9lNSl043489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:47:25 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4940E1E8.6050102@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:48:24 +0000 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Da Rock References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <1228733209.4495.12.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <1228733209.4495.12.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:48:33 -0000 Da Rock wrote: > On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: > > > >> IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement, >> it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed >> a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization >> to improve its basic product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which >> are the future of computing. >> > > Ok. So what needs improvement and where to start? Not being critical, > I'm interested in this. > http://wiki.freebsd.org/NvidiaFeatureRequests and links from there. Vince > Personally though, I think the business model here is a failure and > seriously flawed. And yes, I did study business at Monash (and butted > heads constantly; IF you don't look out for the health and well being of > a community, environment, employees, whatever- the extreme social > responsibility- then the clients and potential clients die, ergo no > customers therefore no money to be made. Thats looking after your > bottomline: Duh!) and saw this continually. Marketing the same; > appealing to all markets is extremely lucrative, and with the technology > literally at our fingertips can be very easy to do. So why not just pull > the finger out and do it instead of saying its too hard, too much > trouble, etc. Old people at the wheel stuck on old ways and refusing to > budge (no offense intended to those on the list- I have a lot of respect > for those in technology; strangely the inverse is true- they actually > know what they're doing and do it properly the first time) in > management. > > Sorry for the rant, but that's just my 2c. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 10:12:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CD1106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C058FC1B for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:12:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.175] (unknown [192.168.0.175]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBFA409B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:52:02 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:51:22 +1000 Message-Id: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:12:30 -0000 On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 12:14 -0800, prad wrote: > On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:35:17 +0100 > Uwe Laverenz wrote: > > > Who is "most freebsd users"? > > > i would think most are interested in running servers or routers or > possible scientific applications or engaged in os study and appreciate > its simplicity and consistency. > > i don't think it can compete with linux in terms of some of the bells > and whistles that the desktop offers, but imho, a lot of those bells > ring out of tune and the whistles result in sore lips. > The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO work in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 10:56:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA9B1065673 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504DF8FC17 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LAjDT-0007gg-MP for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:56:23 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:56:23 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:56:23 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:56:21 +0100 Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <20081210182957.H11618@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0F80FAFF74F19DB2095264A6" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: PostgreSQL on FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 with more than 2GB shared memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:56:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0F80FAFF74F19DB2095264A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hell, Robert wrote: > I just found a bug report for that issue: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D121423&cat=3D Try asking on current@ - I think there were some patches available some time ago. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl]=20 > Sent: Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2008 18:30 > To: Hell, Robert > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: PostgreSQL on FreeBSD 7.0 amd64 with more than 2GB shared > memory >=20 >> fails again with ENOMEM. >> Is there any easy way to use a shared memory segment which is larger >> than 2GB? >=20 > getting two smaller ? :) >=20 > no idea - maybe it's bug of SHM. as you already checked it please do=20 > sent-pr > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" >=20 --------------enig0F80FAFF74F19DB2095264A6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJQPHVldnAQVacBcgRAhOfAJ4wZCPTKrgepiLRX5fRRcEuvT05pwCgiLSb ZNxS98GyOYsSLbW9m/KBkiQ= =x57Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0F80FAFF74F19DB2095264A6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 11:28:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F921065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542238FC0C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBBS0O0004184; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:28:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBBS0dl004181; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:28:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:28:00 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:28:18 -0000 > > The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO work > in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good. in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it paying a bit for windows is not a problem. Those who need to do actual work, we have FreeBSD for example From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 11:40:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76AA10656AB for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 837938FC1C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 24052 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2008 11:40:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=BC8H+1FDZNqIm4UpE6RRC+SZNoSc35MzPOqIxyoVZUTLqxQdFV7/Lp/aX9CHCmEaEHN+58E3+h4VmbDMmPgd3C6kr5Y8nOVR6cTDywYKxQy573+UkmQ+9SRezJLbQK18YfAonqKrVrbYVaiS5tcMIvmfsx6yCSO8PKdMmN+clpY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 11:40:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1jS4c8wVM1kmFh13G9UTC3suPVsXO.qw8IiLklIgGRFHI3VDeJfzNWIn3W9vO53kZ4Pq2n3DLh89m0H5bb1GSIBqsMglcYqL4F3BOijx2BRPWe9conDruMo3oN6h9hZNtk2ejJ5BgT1Rdsu8zhiFCJe5H5z_4c3kvUruOH47TJt2p3PPJs1igrCZEfRCT0.rvN2m3DUyjz4cz4lrricIt1BQGjme14dU X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:40:10 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211064010.1756fde5@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <200812110911.27184.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> References: <20081210191617.GD82227@dan.emsphone.com> <200812110911.27184.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/QtepkEXWUqm6Uy4qRycDp9A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: How to block NIS logins via ssh? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:40:23 -0000 --Sig_/QtepkEXWUqm6Uy4qRycDp9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:11:26 +0100 Mel wrote: >On Thursday 11 December 2008 08:10:09 Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > >> Given, there's several solutions to this: >> >> 1) The Kluge as above. >> >> 2) A pam module to check /etc/group (this is standard login >> behavior, and historically supported, and available on other >> platforms, adding a module, even to ports, is trivial. >> >> 3) A patch to openssh to do /etc/shells checking (I'll note that >> openSSH has the "UseLogin" option, which may also do this. >> >> 4) An option to pam_unix to check this. Differs from #2 in that >> it's a change to an existing module instead of one in ports. > >5) Use AllowGroups/AllowUsers and/or their Deny equivalent in >sshd_config. > >6) Disable password based logins and use keys only. Personally, I have always used 'keys' instead of passwords. Given enough time and resources, any password can be cracked. I really do not understand why so many users insist on using passwords anyway. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com A sadist is a masochist who follows the Golden Rule. --Sig_/QtepkEXWUqm6Uy4qRycDp9A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklA/CMACgkQBvaKIJWWCO2g2gCfVPafAu4iw35C5YdniEEEIQu2 WlgAn1uxZM0l1xbc2hywLUd6g3jsdnk4 =3qOT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/QtepkEXWUqm6Uy4qRycDp9A-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 11:42:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD117106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from jasper.secsrv.net (jasper.secsrv.net [66.98.138.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D898FC14 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from [77.60.177.2] (helo=[192.168.1.109]) by jasper.secsrv.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LAjvr-0002Q0-OL; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:42:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9A4AD986-6A69-4EF8-846E-A9CDADA23390@rgbaz.eu> From: FBSD UG To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:42:13 +0100 References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jasper.secsrv.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rgbaz.eu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:42:19 -0000 On 11 dec 2008, at 12:28, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO >> work >> in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good. > > in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it > paying a bit for windows is not a problem. > > Those who need to do actual work, we have FreeBSD for example > that's the most narrow minded post i've seen here since i'm on this group As if the only work that can be considered real work is the work you do... The reason why I CAN'T do any serious work on FreeBSD is because it lacks the NVidia drivers (i'm in the film/commercial industry). I've tried to maintain a FreeBSD server among all the linux workstations but gave up because it's too much trouble, just for one OS... I've had a chat with some developers for the software I use in the past about what they thought about supporting FreeBSD (Autodesk discreet). And all they could say is it'll never be supported because of the lack of drivers. So.. if I need to do actual work, I can use anything BUT FreeBSD... greetings Arno From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 11:44:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69151065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:44:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60FD8FC08 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBBiNOL005939; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:44:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBBiN7x005936; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:44:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:44:23 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FBSD UG In-Reply-To: <9A4AD986-6A69-4EF8-846E-A9CDADA23390@rgbaz.eu> Message-ID: <20081211124353.H5935@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9A4AD986-6A69-4EF8-846E-A9CDADA23390@rgbaz.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:44:36 -0000 > > that's the most narrow minded post i've seen here since i'm on this group or your narrow mail reading . > As if the only work that can be considered real work is the work you do... > > The reason why I CAN'T do any serious work on FreeBSD is because it lacks > the NVidia drivers (i'm in the film/commercial industry). it's not "bells and whistles" but drivers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 12:19:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EBB1065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BC788FC14 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31779 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2008 12:19:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Ep4E67+OboS7kCrJT0eTqe1CTzf5POzJxRu6f02KtkHKkvzzSwH6xceXUqYcBDcxJjK6yWrcvM8/EzBo+GSMteKO33/RTdiFtrDxxf+wX4GGmDbWjHwLMuHY2lgb0kaa/gkmLe1MEHrFxDFQniKrM8BV58BStJX1KEl0lB2U2ws= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 12:19:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YM67GoAVM1mw1KsOpkpd2k5vvnagncpFMaGuNoFJ1tYkkbjyH26t7df8qKyKJ5aXT58u4Eg2eG2uQr.ywCmDw9.Tc1JnmWhUyibrGDtTgzUT7zP.8pZLB6kHLC1p5jTB6OHEBd77Giot77Ij7AZ0spZw__pZF9uCxxeO5ScOy4kiV4R8pYMdbEFUhyt0801Hsx1TyiqHT33VcZmWLSgE1b4OEQA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:19:14 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/gHwBr6eUribuwXdZtD8Ob=V"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:19:18 -0000 --Sig_/gHwBr6eUribuwXdZtD8Ob=V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:28:00 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it paying >a bit for windows is not a problem. > >Those who need to do actual work, we have FreeBSD for example Define: 'Actual Work'? What you are referring to is that it meets your criteria. Everyone's work platform might not be so narrow. I use FreeBSD for may things; however, it is by no means a perfect system. There are just too many things that either don't work, or don't work well. As we are migrating to 64-bit systems here, I can see FreeBSD playing an even smaller part in our corporate picture. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Usually, when a lot of men get together, it's called a war. Mel Brooks, "The Listener" --Sig_/gHwBr6eUribuwXdZtD8Ob=V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBBUMACgkQBvaKIJWWCO2rzgCfVvUIhdZkgb3wgz3CrVlZMN8g SZIAn2bQyKfnfdPh/uvtcmNiSOG0YEoG =3myy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/gHwBr6eUribuwXdZtD8Ob=V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 12:36:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BAF1065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:36:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C346B8FC19 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-75-140.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.75.140]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701533C853; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:36:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBBCaWbo001962; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:36:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:36:32 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:36:37 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:19:14 -0500, Jerry wrote: > Define: 'Actual Work'? What you are referring to is that it meets your > criteria. Everyone's work platform might not be so narrow. ometimes, "actual work" may be entertainment, gaming, or programming obscure hardware platforms. :-) > I use FreeBSD for may things; however, it is by no means a perfect > system. There are just too many things that either don't work, or don't > work well. I may say this: At home, I'm using FreeBSD exclusively since approx. 2000 (at least since release 4.0). Here everything worked without any (!) problems, no need for problem reports. At work, FreeBSD and Solaris are present. For some fields of use, I would not FreeBSD instead of Solaris. However, I found no operating system that could replace FreeBSD in the fields where I use it. As in many other topics, this is only my very individual point of view. I do see "FreeBSD's problems" in most cases where hardware support isn't up to date, but that's mainly a thing of the hardware manufactureres that (a) build black boxes or (b) do not use existing standards, so accessing their hardware is a problem. Other problems are usual entertainment stuff that seems to hook that deeply into the operating system that it leads into problems - yes, I'm talking about "Flash" especially. Hardware vendors are mostly interested in operating systems that already have a huge market share. Allthough FreeBSD is a very professional OS and has a growing usage share, its market share isn't that big, so it is considered to be unimportant. Furthermore, FreeBSD is considered to be an OS for servers, allthough it scales very well from desktops over mixed forms to servers. And servers usually don't contain bleeding edge GPUs and strange WLAN USB sticks, so that's why the support isn't that good. Personally, I'd prefer an OS that supports a narrow subset of hardware excellently and efficiently instead of an OS that claims to support everything, supports most things poorly and through "binary blobs" where you can't be sure what it actually does. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 12:54:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35B11065680 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9108FC26 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:54:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so1536452ewy.19 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:54:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=iX0IHlZzhWFWWumQ/cmmqJRnxV0C9eExd0AbrN6zIhc=; b=vr9PpcYddfcJqPaINfa+bdHNep2F68vQwhFmhmErl5nFuF3Nd9oBibYH3uHQR60L0+ V9nH/judX6Yz3a8jllul587X8FzfrhFQwpH+EJFMPi+Fg2UTy0SoK17xsg/c8lTFn7mB obqfq47qYQUbHJMyT9rctRC22rduoD3W5UZcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; b=nf04kC48QEazH9YMDwhlJ2/Er9zor7WdhOqw8BXyjuCLILbeJvFT0CGkTEwwVijeZv RzOP1jlZMNagklr4/iDYj2gOdp7zhSiQiihfrk3hF1kETUt9806uiA5mGop2c4zVV3ON obWBi9oxYSKxDoCAFOeoKA25GJJHpUkENVGNU= Received: by 10.210.22.16 with SMTP id 16mr3167905ebv.53.1229000044147; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from oleg.net.nevosoft.ru ([195.182.128.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm129768eyh.47.2008.12.11.04.54.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:54:02 -0800 (PST) From: Ole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:53:56 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (FreeBSD/7.1-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.1.1; i386; ; ) References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812111553.56955.subbsd@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: subbsd@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:54:05 -0000 BTW on the http://forums.freebsd.org number of multimedia-related questions is more than server-side ;) And this is fact - FreeBSD become to Desktop due to work of many peoples who porting multimedia application to FreeBSD. Therefore this functional be want. But without good supports of hardware device this job come to nothing. On Thursday 11 December 2008 15:36:32 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:19:14 -0500, Jerry wrote: > > Define: 'Actual Work'? What you are referring to is that it meets your > > criteria. Everyone's work platform might not be so narrow. > > ometimes, "actual work" may be entertainment, gaming, or > programming obscure hardware platforms. :-) > > > I use FreeBSD for may things; however, it is by no means a perfect > > system. There are just too many things that either don't work, or don't > > work well. > > I may say this: At home, I'm using FreeBSD exclusively since > approx. 2000 (at least since release 4.0). Here everything > worked without any (!) problems, no need for problem reports. > At work, FreeBSD and Solaris are present. For some fields of > use, I would not FreeBSD instead of Solaris. However, I found > no operating system that could replace FreeBSD in the fields > where I use it. > > As in many other topics, this is only my very individual point > of view. > > I do see "FreeBSD's problems" in most cases where hardware > support isn't up to date, but that's mainly a thing of the > hardware manufactureres that (a) build black boxes or (b) > do not use existing standards, so accessing their hardware > is a problem. Other problems are usual entertainment stuff > that seems to hook that deeply into the operating system that > it leads into problems - yes, I'm talking about "Flash" > especially. > > Hardware vendors are mostly interested in operating systems > that already have a huge market share. Allthough FreeBSD is > a very professional OS and has a growing usage share, its > market share isn't that big, so it is considered to be > unimportant. Furthermore, FreeBSD is considered to be an > OS for servers, allthough it scales very well from desktops > over mixed forms to servers. And servers usually don't contain > bleeding edge GPUs and strange WLAN USB sticks, so that's why > the support isn't that good. > > Personally, I'd prefer an OS that supports a narrow subset > of hardware excellently and efficiently instead of an OS that > claims to support everything, supports most things poorly > and through "binary blobs" where you can't be sure what it > actually does. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 13:39:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4581065678 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:39:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.vub.ac.be (mxin.vub.ac.be [134.184.129.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E759D8FC1D for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggBAC+kQEmkD30E/2dsb2JhbAAIzDaCeQ Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.vub.ac.be with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 14:39:36 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:40:06 +0100 Message-Id: <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:39:38 -0000 Just to share my point of view : I use FreeBSD only since 6.2, before that I was a long-time Debian user. For the little experience I have with it I must admit that it looks pretty solid and a perfect choice for a "server" (for proof: I replaced almost all my Debian boxes with FreeBSD, both at work and at home) : things like ports, GEOM, PF, Jails, ... are a pleasure to use, altough some things are missing (no software RAID 5 (no, no gvinum please), no "grow" mode as in mdadm, etc). As a desktop I'm a little more reserved. I had a lot of problems with my pc at home for example (but not only): - on almost all my machines I have problems with CD/DVD drives, mostly things like READ_BIG timeout, etc. I tried almost everything (disabling ACPI, DMA, upgrading the drive BIOS, etc), disabling DMA resolved some problems, but it's still impossible to burn a DVD for example. - my mouse (a Logitec MX 300, USB) is still undetected at boot. Every time I have to unplug/plug it after boot. Not a big deal I admit, but boring. - USB mass storage plug/unplug sometimes causes system panic. I know that this is a well known bug that require some rearchitecting and that a proper umount has always been the way to umount a drive, but, honestly, you cannot seriously convince someone to use FreeBSD with things like this ... - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... is just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports (but it's being resolved I think). Of course there are packages, but it's far less friendly to use (and manage) than apt-get/dpkg. Julien On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 13:36 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:19:14 -0500, Jerry wrote: > > Define: 'Actual Work'? What you are referring to is that it meets your > > criteria. Everyone's work platform might not be so narrow. > > ometimes, "actual work" may be entertainment, gaming, or > programming obscure hardware platforms. :-) > > > > I use FreeBSD for may things; however, it is by no means a perfect > > system. There are just too many things that either don't work, or don't > > work well. > > I may say this: At home, I'm using FreeBSD exclusively since > approx. 2000 (at least since release 4.0). Here everything > worked without any (!) problems, no need for problem reports. > At work, FreeBSD and Solaris are present. For some fields of > use, I would not FreeBSD instead of Solaris. However, I found > no operating system that could replace FreeBSD in the fields > where I use it. > > As in many other topics, this is only my very individual point > of view. > > I do see "FreeBSD's problems" in most cases where hardware > support isn't up to date, but that's mainly a thing of the > hardware manufactureres that (a) build black boxes or (b) > do not use existing standards, so accessing their hardware > is a problem. Other problems are usual entertainment stuff > that seems to hook that deeply into the operating system that > it leads into problems - yes, I'm talking about "Flash" > especially. > > Hardware vendors are mostly interested in operating systems > that already have a huge market share. Allthough FreeBSD is > a very professional OS and has a growing usage share, its > market share isn't that big, so it is considered to be > unimportant. Furthermore, FreeBSD is considered to be an > OS for servers, allthough it scales very well from desktops > over mixed forms to servers. And servers usually don't contain > bleeding edge GPUs and strange WLAN USB sticks, so that's why > the support isn't that good. > > Personally, I'd prefer an OS that supports a narrow subset > of hardware excellently and efficiently instead of an OS that > claims to support everything, supports most things poorly > and through "binary blobs" where you can't be sure what it > actually does. > > -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be UniversitĂ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrĂ©e ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 13:55:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BA21065796 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth@roxlab.net) Received: from mail1.roxlab.net (mail1.roxlab.net [202.136.23.127]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084338FC32 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:55:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth@roxlab.net) Received: from acer6e40e97492 by mail1.roxlab.net (Merak 8.0.3) with ASMTP id JCV74388 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:40:07 +0800 Received: from acer6e40e97492 ([124.197.101.84] helo=acer6e40e97492) by mail1.roxlab.net; 11 Dec 2008 21:40:06 +0800 Message-ID: From: "Kenneth Tan" To: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:40:03 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Issue on asterisk port in latest CVSUP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:55:44 -0000 Hi, I found that the update for Asterisk update is broken after run the = latest CVS update and portupgrade. The system is not able to find the = correct files from the sources. Please check on that. Thank you Kenneth From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 14:38:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C921065673 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:38:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87DC8FC13 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mBBEWoAJ040386; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:32:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mBBEWn6V040385; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:32:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:32:49 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Da Rock Message-ID: <20081211143249.GC40295@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <1228733209.4495.12.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1228733209.4495.12.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:38:16 -0000 On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:46:49PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: > > > > IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement, > > it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed > > a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization > > to improve its basic product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which > > are the future of computing. > > Ok. So what needs improvement and where to start? Not being critical, > I'm interested in this. > > Personally though, I think the business model here is a failure and > seriously flawed. And yes, I did study business at Monash (and butted > heads constantly; IF you don't look out for the health and well being of > a community, environment, employees, whatever- the extreme social > responsibility- then the clients and potential clients die, ergo no > customers therefore no money to be made. Thats looking after your > bottomline: Duh!) and saw this continually. Marketing the same; The thing people seem to forget is that FreeBSD doesn't have a business model - or that is its business model. It is simply sharing technology without much concern about propagation or return. It accepts contributions of various kinds, mostly in kind. ////jerry > appealing to all markets is extremely lucrative, and with the technology > literally at our fingertips can be very easy to do. So why not just pull > the finger out and do it instead of saying its too hard, too much > trouble, etc. Old people at the wheel stuck on old ways and refusing to > budge (no offense intended to those on the list- I have a lot of respect > for those in technology; strangely the inverse is true- they actually > know what they're doing and do it properly the first time) in > management. > > Sorry for the rant, but that's just my 2c. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 14:50:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B091065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6868FC08 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:50:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBEmrUL001417 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:48:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBEmrI4001414 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:48:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:48:53 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211154602.M1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: FreeBSD amd64 crash - why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:50:08 -0000 i have regular crashes (kernel panic+reboots) every about a month. any idea why? last time i built kernel with debug symbols, here what i get with kgdb any help is very welcome :) Script started on Thu Dec 11 15:48:08 2008 [root@serwer ~]# kgdb /boot/kernel/kernel /var/crash/vmcore.0 GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"... Unread portion of the kernel message buffer: kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabled Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 fault virtual address = 0xb4 fault code = user write data, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xffffffffa5381b00 stack pointer = 0x10:0xffffffffa53819a0 frame pointer = 0x10:0xffffffff8068d100 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0x0, type 0x0 = DPL 0, pres 0, long 0, def32 0, gran 0 processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 79847 (sendmail) trap number = 12 panic: page fault cpuid = 0 Uptime: 8d6h48m4s Physical memory: 1014 MB Dumping 220 MB: 205 189 173 157 141 125 109 93 77 61 45 29 13 Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/zaptel/zaptel.ko...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/zaptel/zaptel.ko Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/zaptel/ztdummy.ko...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/zaptel/ztdummy.ko #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 195 pcpu.h: No such file or directory. in pcpu.h (kgdb) bt\  #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 #1 0x0000000000000004 in ?? () #2 0xffffffff8029cde9 in boot (howto=260) at ../../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:418 #3 0xffffffff8029d202 in panic (fmt=0x104
) at ../../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:574 #4 0xffffffff804da163 in trap_fatal (frame=0xffffff0001ae06e0, eva=Variable "eva" is not available. ) at ../../../amd64/amd64/trap.c:764 #5 0xffffffff804da535 in trap_pfault (frame=0xffffffffa53818f0, usermode=0) at ../../../amd64/amd64/trap.c:680 #6 0xffffffff804dae85 in trap (frame=0xffffffffa53818f0) at ../../../amd64/amd64/trap.c:449 #7 0xffffffff804c083e in calltrap () at ../../../amd64/amd64/exception.S:209 #8 0xffffffffa5381b00 in ?? () #9 0xffffff0001ae06e0 in ?? () #10 0xffffffff804cb596 in ipi_bitmap_handler (frame= {tf_rdi = -2140742176, tf_rsi = -1523049488, tf_rdx = 4104, tf_rcx = 715684, tf_r8 = -1098907750400, tf_r9 = -2140669600, tf_rax = 7840359, tf_rbx = -2140742176, tf_rbp = -2140614400, tf_r10 = 4640, tf_r11 = 116, tf_r12 = 5153376776576, tf_r13 = -1523049728, tf_r14 = 71567949, tf_r15 = 2, tf_trapno = -1523049712, tf_addr = -1099483445536, tf_flags = -1099212052096, tf_err = 0, tf_rip = -2145744350, tf_cs = 8, tf_rflags = 582, tf_rsp = -1523049824, tf_ss = 16}) at ../../../amd64/amd64/mp_machdep.c:979 #11 0xffffffff804c1236 in Xipi_intr_bitmap_handler () at apic_vector.S:206 #12 0xffffffff801a8a22 in acpi_timer_read () at cpufunc.h:239 #13 0xffffffff801a8a47 in acpi_timer_get_timecount_safe (tc=Variable "tc" is not available. ) at ../../../dev/acpica/acpi_timer.c:244 #14 0xffffffff802a81aa in binuptime (bt=0xffffffffa5381b00) at ../../../kern/kern_tc.c:167 #15 0xffffffff802a8230 in bintime (bt=0xffffffffa5381b00) at ../../../kern/kern_tc.c:217 #16 0xffffffff802a82b7 in microtime (tvp=0xffffffffa5381b20) at ../../../kern/kern_tc.c:237 #17 0xffffffff802adb17 in gettimeofday (td=Variable "td" is not available. ) at ../../../kern/kern_time.c:430 #18 0xffffffff804da754 in syscall (frame=0xffffffffa5381c80) at ../../../amd64/amd64/trap.c:907 #19 0xffffffff804c0a4b in Xfast_syscall () at ../../../amd64/amd64/exception.S:330 #20 0x0000000800d96bdc in ?? () Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) (kgdb) [root@serwer ~]# exit Script done on Thu Dec 11 15:48:38 2008 machine dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Wed Dec 3 06:38:22 CET 2008 root@serwer.tensor.gdynia.pl:/usr/src/sys/amd64/compile/serwer.tensor.gdynia.pl Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (3000.13-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf62 Stepping = 2 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0xe41d AMD Features=0x20100800 AMD Features2=0x1 Logical CPUs per core: 2 usable memory = 1063792640 (1014 MB) avail memory = 1023483904 (976 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard cryptosoft0: on motherboard acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: irq 16 at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pcib2: irq 17 at device 28.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 pcib3: irq 17 at device 28.4 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 bge0: mem 0xc0100000-0xc010ffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci3 miibus0: on bge0 brgphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 brgphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX, auto bge0: Ethernet address: 00:14:5e:94:49:19 bge0: [ITHREAD] pcib4: irq 16 at device 28.5 on pci0 pci4: on pcib4 uhci0: port 0x3000-0x301f irq 23 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: on usb0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0x3020-0x303f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci1: [ITHREAD] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: on usb1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0x3040-0x305f irq 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci2: [ITHREAD] usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: on usb2 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xc0000000-0xc00003ff irq 23 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ehci0: [ITHREAD] usb3: EHCI version 1.0 usb3: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3: on ehci0 usb3: USB revision 2.0 uhub3: on usb3 uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered pcib5: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci10: on pcib5 pcib6: at device 2.0 on pci10 pci11: on pcib6 de0: port 0x5000-0x507f mem 0xc0340000-0xc034007f irq 16 at device 4.0 on pci11 de0: Cogent EM440TX 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface de0: Ethernet address: 00:00:d1:1d:00:3f de0: [ITHREAD] de1: port 0x5080-0x50ff mem 0xc0340400-0xc034047f irq 17 at device 5.0 on pci11 de1: Cogent EM440TX 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de1: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface de1: Ethernet address: 00:00:d1:1d:00:40 de2: port 0x5400-0x547f mem 0xc0340800-0xc034087f irq 18 at device 6.0 on pci11 de2: Cogent EM440TX 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de2: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface de2: Ethernet address: 00:00:d1:1d:00:41 de3: port 0x5480-0x54ff mem 0xc0340c00-0xc0340c7f irq 19 at device 7.0 on pci11 de3: Cogent EM440TX 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de3: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface de3: Ethernet address: 00:00:d1:1d:00:42 rl0: port 0x4000-0x40ff mem 0xc0210000-0xc02100ff irq 17 at device 3.0 on pci10 miibus1: on rl0 rlphy0: PHY 0 on miibus1 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:4c:28:01:e4 rl0: [ITHREAD] vgapci0: port 0x4400-0x44ff mem 0xc8000000-0xcfffffff,0xc0200000-0xc020ffff irq 16 at device 4.0 on pci10 isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x3090-0x309f at device 31.2 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) acpi_button0: on acpi0 sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: [FILTER] sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled sio1: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 sio1: type 16550A sio1: [FILTER] atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77f irq 7 drq 1 on acpi0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold ppbus0: on ppc0 ppbus0: [ITHREAD] lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 ppc0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ppc0: [ITHREAD] cpu0: on acpi0 acpi_throttle0: on cpu0 cpu1: on acpi0 acpi_throttle1: on cpu1 acpi_throttle1: failed to attach P_CNT device_attach: acpi_throttle1 attach returned 6 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xcafff,0xe0000-0xe17ff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec ipfw2 (+ipv6) initialized, divert enabled, nat enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, logging limited to 25 packets/entry by default ad0: 305245MB at ata0-master SATA150 ad2: 305245MB at ata1-master SATA150 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/jail launched (1/1). Enter passphrase for mirror/jaild: GEOM_ELI: Device mirror/jaild.eli created. GEOM_ELI: Encryption: AES-CBC 128 GEOM_ELI: Crypto: software Trying to mount root from ufs:mirror/jaild.eli GEOM_ELI: Device ad2e.eli created. GEOM_ELI: Encryption: AES-CBC 128 GEOM_ELI: Crypto: software WARNING: TMPFS is considered to be a highly experimental feature in FreeBSD. WARNING: TMPFS is considered to be a highly experimental feature in FreeBSD. Zapata Telephony Interface Registered on major 196 Echo Canceller: MG2 ztdummy: loaded From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 14:55:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9B21065675 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:55:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC3C8FC1D for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:55:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBEsJC8001467; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:54:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBEsJWg001464; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:54:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:54:19 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20081211155208.D1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:55:48 -0000 > At work, FreeBSD and Solaris are present. For some fields of > use, I would not FreeBSD instead of Solaris. However, I found isn't the reason to using solaris just the need to run solaris-only binary software? > no operating system that could replace FreeBSD in the fields > where I use it. > > As in many other topics, this is only my very individual point > of view. > > I do see "FreeBSD's problems" in most cases where hardware > support isn't up to date, but that's mainly a thing of the > hardware manufactureres that (a) build black boxes or (b) > do not use existing standards, so accessing their hardware > is a problem. Other problems are usual entertainment stuff > that seems to hook that deeply into the operating system that > it leads into problems - yes, I'm talking about "Flash" > especially. exactly. as adobe don't want me (FreeBSD) user use flash, i do not. > Hardware vendors are mostly interested in operating systems > that already have a huge market share. Allthough FreeBSD is > a very professional OS and has a growing usage share, its > market share isn't that big, so it is considered to be even more - FreeBSD users needs MUCH less processing power to do the same than for example - windows user. so even less computers need to be bought. > Personally, I'd prefer an OS that supports a narrow subset > of hardware excellently and efficiently instead of an OS that > claims to support everything, supports most things poorly me too. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 14:57:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16261065679 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0AF8FC18 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBEuBV7001482; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:56:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBEuA3R001479; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:56:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:56:10 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Julien Cigar In-Reply-To: <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Message-ID: <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:57:38 -0000 > - on almost all my machines I have problems with CD/DVD drives, mostly > things like READ_BIG timeout, etc. I tried almost everything (disabling > ACPI, DMA, upgrading the drive BIOS, etc), disabling DMA resolved some > problems, but it's still impossible to burn a DVD for example. i don't have. i use only atapicam+cd driver, no acd. > - my mouse (a Logitec MX 300, USB) is still undetected at boot. Every > time I have to unplug/plug it after boot. Not a big deal I admit, but > boring. > - USB mass storage plug/unplug sometimes causes system panic. I know never got such thing, except when i forgot to unmount > that this is a well known bug that require some rearchitecting and that > a proper umount has always been the way to umount a drive, but, > honestly, you cannot seriously convince someone to use FreeBSD with > things like this ... > - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... is > just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports (but > it's being resolved I think). Of course there are packages, but it's far > less friendly to use (and manage) than apt-get/dpkg. you may pkg_add from ftp repository From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 15:22:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F8A1065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:22:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.vub.ac.be (mxin.vub.ac.be [134.184.129.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2EC8FC12 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggBAESyQEmkD30E/2dsb2JhbAAIzHuCeQ Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.vub.ac.be with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 16:22:34 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:23:04 +0100 Message-Id: <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:22:35 -0000 On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 15:56 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > - on almost all my machines I have problems with CD/DVD drives, mostly > > things like READ_BIG timeout, etc. I tried almost everything (disabling > > ACPI, DMA, upgrading the drive BIOS, etc), disabling DMA resolved some > > problems, but it's still impossible to burn a DVD for example. > > i don't have. i use only atapicam+cd driver, no acd. Of course I tried atapicam too (I even removed acd totally from the kernel), but it doesn't resolve the problem(s) > > > - my mouse (a Logitec MX 300, USB) is still undetected at boot. Every > > time I have to unplug/plug it after boot. Not a big deal I admit, but > > boring. > > - USB mass storage plug/unplug sometimes causes system panic. I know > > never got such thing, except when i forgot to unmount > "except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here, it's so natural to just unplug an USB device > > that this is a well known bug that require some rearchitecting and that > > a proper umount has always been the way to umount a drive, but, > > honestly, you cannot seriously convince someone to use FreeBSD with > > things like this ... > > - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... is > > just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports (but > > it's being resolved I think). Of course there are packages, but it's far > > less friendly to use (and manage) than apt-get/dpkg. > > you may pkg_add from ftp repository of course .. too bad that there is no pkg_upgrade -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrée ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 15:42:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535C81065678 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:42:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D117F8FC16 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:42:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LAngP-0001eM-KU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:42:33 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:42:33 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:42:33 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:42:28 +0100 Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <20081211154602.M1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) In-Reply-To: <20081211154602.M1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Sender: news Subject: Re: FreeBSD amd64 crash - why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:42:40 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > (kgdb) bt\  > #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 > #1 0x0000000000000004 in ?? () > #2 0xffffffff8029cde9 in boot (howto=260) at > ../../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:418 > #3 0xffffffff8029d202 in panic (fmt=0x104
) > at ../../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:574 > #4 0xffffffff804da163 in trap_fatal (frame=0xffffff0001ae06e0, > eva=Variable "eva" is not available. > ) > at ../../../amd64/amd64/trap.c:764 > #5 0xffffffff804da535 in trap_pfault (frame=0xffffffffa53818f0, > usermode=0) > at ../../../amd64/amd64/trap.c:680 > #6 0xffffffff804dae85 in trap (frame=0xffffffffa53818f0) at > ../../../amd64/amd64/trap.c:449 > #7 0xffffffff804c083e in calltrap () at > ../../../amd64/amd64/exception.S:209 > #8 0xffffffffa5381b00 in ?? () > #9 0xffffff0001ae06e0 in ?? () > #10 0xffffffff804cb596 in ipi_bitmap_handler (frame= > {tf_rdi = -2140742176, tf_rsi = -1523049488, tf_rdx = 4104, tf_rcx > = 715684, tf_r8 = -1098907750400, tf_r9 = -2140669600, tf_rax = 7840359, > tf_rbx = -2140742176, tf_rbp = -2140614400, tf_r10 = 4640, tf_r11 = 116, > tf_r12 = 5153376776576, tf_r13 = -1523049728, tf_r14 = 71567949, tf_r15 > = 2, tf_trapno = -1523049712, tf_addr = -1099483445536, tf_flags = > -1099212052096, tf_err = 0, tf_rip = -2145744350, tf_cs = 8, tf_rflags = > 582, tf_rsp = -1523049824, tf_ss = 16}) > at ../../../amd64/amd64/mp_machdep.c:979 > #11 0xffffffff804c1236 in Xipi_intr_bitmap_handler () at apic_vector.S:206 > #12 0xffffffff801a8a22 in acpi_timer_read () at cpufunc.h:239 > #13 0xffffffff801a8a47 in acpi_timer_get_timecount_safe (tc=Variable > "tc" is not available. > ) at ../../../dev/acpica/acpi_timer.c:244 > #14 0xffffffff802a81aa in binuptime (bt=0xffffffffa5381b00) at > ../../../kern/kern_tc.c:167 > #15 0xffffffff802a8230 in bintime (bt=0xffffffffa5381b00) at > ../../../kern/kern_tc.c:217 > #16 0xffffffff802a82b7 in microtime (tvp=0xffffffffa5381b20) at > ../../../kern/kern_tc.c:237 > #17 0xffffffff802adb17 in gettimeofday (td=Variable "td" is not available. > ) at ../../../kern/kern_time.c:430 > #18 0xffffffff804da754 in syscall (frame=0xffffffffa5381c80) at > ../../../amd64/amd64/trap.c:907 > #19 0xffffffff804c0a4b in Xfast_syscall () at > ../../../amd64/amd64/exception.S:330 > #20 0x0000000800d96bdc in ?? () > Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) > (kgdb) [root@serwer ~]# exit > The code path in this backtrace is very low-risk, there are not many things that can go wrong in a gettimeofday() call. It's very likely it's a hardware problem (tried memtest86 recently?), but you should post it to current@ to verify. You might want to switch to TSC timecounter if it's available on your hardware (see kern.timecounter.smp_tsc) to avoid the acpi_timer* code path and see if the system still panics. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 15:42:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EA11065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:42:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31698FC17 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so2093863bwz.19 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:42:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=le9lFbhKiAiDHTHevNOMN3oNS1YvPPA0Zp3GHBQmtzk=; b=TynJ980eQerZMtQto3/VpST/IeC0vCJSE7GiBZ0FO623r4mfxE3irGKmgtCMbnPK/H vXQ/e/nF5CEsB41CcRjHcusewB8vYjaXNSzzuz8KBxplxabT4lY67dwTrrLARPPKnEES mSnoJkEHauiK11WVPfBlNyMjoYPICNqpWvqP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; b=Z3YM+REvijPO0tc1/2wWmVsRbqfdpBejgwbP9xbi+We0IAZhGuGBzKzHEL7qIZhvRf JO8pU1xPdCUmXWwlwhbGGhE6VUk3yAPMi78X+Hm+SEjrJ1F7NtItJZYXxptcJMYGqg/M PnAXrtNumCQ4/WibaLfbJKjabs0IULjtglxzE= Received: by 10.223.111.211 with SMTP id t19mr2868302fap.64.1229009920433; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:38:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from oleg.net.nevosoft.ru ([195.182.128.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm91857eyc.3.2008.12.11.07.38.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:38:30 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (FreeBSD/7.1-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.1.1; i386; ; ) References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> In-Reply-To: <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812111838.31387.subbsd@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: subbsd@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:42:46 -0000 Also you can use portupgrade -PP -PP --use-packages-only Never use the port even if a package is not avail- able either locally or remotely, although you still have to keep your ports tree up-to-date so that portupgrade can check out what the latest version of each port is. In in some cases re-compiling it better then package usage. For example you may wish for GnomeVFS support by OO, or drop GNOME support and KDE support instead. This function sets in configure by program author and when you working with ports you can play this options On Thursday 11 December 2008 18:23:04 Julien Cigar wrote: > > > that this is a well known bug that require some rearchitecting and that > > > a proper umount has always been the way to umount a drive, but, > > > honestly, you cannot seriously convince someone to use FreeBSD with > > > things like this ... > > > - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... > > > is just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports > > > (but it's being resolved I think). Of course there are packages, but > > > it's far less friendly to use (and manage) than apt-get/dpkg. > > > > you may pkg_add from ftp repository > > of course .. too bad that there is no pkg_upgrade From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 15:49:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA651106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:49:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580848FC08 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 10:49:08 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PHT56558; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 10:49:01 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18753.13932.981393.111999@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:49:00 -0500 To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20081211155208.D1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081211155208.D1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:49:09 -0000 Wojciech Puchar writes: > > At work, FreeBSD and Solaris are present. For some fields of > > use, I would not FreeBSD instead of Solaris. However, I found > > isn't the reason to using solaris just the need to run > solaris-only binary software? I believe there are cases where the vendor publishes software for multiple OSes, but offers official support for only some of them. If having vendor support is a deal-breaker - either for operational or contractual reasons - and the only alternative to Solaris is Windows .... Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 16:11:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CEF106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:11:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8959F8FC16 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBG9eKY001702; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:09:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBG9dUK001699; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:09:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:09:39 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robert Huff In-Reply-To: <18753.13932.981393.111999@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: <20081211170906.R1698@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081211155208.D1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <18753.13932.981393.111999@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:11:10 -0000 > for multiple OSes, but offers official support for only some of > them. If having vendor support is a deal-breaker - either for > operational or contractual reasons - and the only alternative to > Solaris is Windows .... well - solaris is not that bad. it's unix, you can work on it "normally", it's just slow etc... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 16:11:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE301065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:11:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43368FC21 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBGAILr001709; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:10:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBGAIVk001706; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:10:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:10:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Julien Cigar In-Reply-To: <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Message-ID: <20081211170954.A1698@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:11:47 -0000 > > "except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here, it's so > natural to just unplug an USB device it's so natural to unmount device before removing. at least in unix... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 16:27:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D6E106567A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f18.google.com (mail-qy0-f18.google.com [209.85.221.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B2B8FC1F for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so1379882qyk.19 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:27:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=L/uA2bEiAwDPiq7pFWyc3pGi0kKHRUj/ZxbowJSEQ1c=; b=HuwZ2Qjlq98gjFPVjtz5wqOUVJ78V6cYBnK9Y16UxdcfbfycgjVxz1Twm7UN8cVbiY EHQUJwp7ren/7p0O7kr5EID/tRbT0IP14F/NIsXhJF4EEjY725SeRgZ04PQChUGo3r28 k9hxSWSIYo5HRu2Znbwt0hCYoPlYkmg145ZhM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=FnXlxsWrBvkzsV+hV5mZJOK+f22A88nFBpxzfJW1VHgZd5vB/Yfjw8Nep+4JNMJI/R YUiiISs6wtKxo+47b+VORSY0Lj98PPfJ8v5OOCb+h/yxQAxO2PiH+hiHQbWuS4jxENod AwGxjc3psCGveS6geHSaB0VE+a1xh5Bdef8e8= Received: by 10.214.114.21 with SMTP id m21mr3787912qac.109.1229012845096; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.hsd1.pa.comcast.net (c-71-230-240-241.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.230.240.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2191599qwg.35.2008.12.11.08.27.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:27:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:29 -0500 From: Glen Barber To: Gary Hartl Message-ID: <20081211162727.GA67210@orion.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> References: <000401c95ae1$7b1ab8a0$715029e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000401c95ae1$7b1ab8a0$715029e0$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: update packages or reinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:27:26 -0000 Gary Hartl said: > > I'm considering just wiping the system clean and starting from scratch to > say either 6.4-release or 7.0 release. > For what it's worth, I've (so far) had 50% luck with 7.1. My home server runs nothing special, mostly development stuff and the occasional X session. I attempted to upgrade to 7.1 from 6.3-STABLE yesterday, and to make a long story short, am now running 6.4-RELEASE. If you do decide to go with 7.1, I'd test drive it first, before committing that machine to that OS. So far, I've had no problems with 6.4-* on any of my machines. Regards, -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 17:00:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F95106578F for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [72.9.101.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6741F8FC14 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prime.gushi.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBBH0FDl037934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:00:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 prime.gushi.org mBBH0FDl037934 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=prime.gushi.org; s=primegushiorg; t=1228998284; bh=xYH6DaBpgIpo9O4ME5Wi4y2nvMJbRKcOY 4KuzhY4yWc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y5Pid17yMOSwUQ73u+uJwLJx0gP9kIWRwl6PZXe4FB/ZAoVcHCoRH77lYbzT1URK2 norDlnGB1JXnOkwZ31MTg== X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v1.0.0 prime.gushi.org mBBH0FDl037934 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=primegushiorg; d=prime.gushi.org; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:date:from:to:cc:message-id:user-agent: x-openpgp-key-id:mime-version:content-type; b=MVJf0x2Xj9Zwc2RXwN0e2j16Oqe7sNAvxz/GEBFGiJJvJa75h2ZM95M5vBsRVhMsM fnhLcxwSzXurVuIJlHb1g== Received: (from danm@localhost) by prime.gushi.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id mBBH04xx037883; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from danm) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0x624BB249 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (prime.gushi.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:00:20 -0000 Okay, new problem with regard to netgroups, NIS, and Pam: Given the following situation: * I want to be able to have su work normally in the event of an NIS disconnect, since I will likely need to su to fix said disconnect. * The wheel group needs to stay local * I want su to still use group ownership as a check I recently could not get an admin account (defined in NIS) to su to root. Even though "groups username" showed he was in wheel (and the wheel group has been propagated into NIS), pam_group and pw groupshow show him as not.) This is probably because the local wheel group overrode the NIS wheel group. (I'm not that thrilled by having the wheel group in NIS anyway). Since pam_group is "requisite", there's no easy way to call it multiple times, and no easy pam syntax to say "one of these two must pass". Required won't help, Otherwise I'd simply define an extra group, call it NISwheel or something, and configure access accordingly. What I instead would propose is for pam_group to take an optional argument list instead of a single group (or possibly, multiple group= requirements). Doing something with pam_exec is an option here as well, but I feel this functionality should be fairly elementary to add, moving forward. -Dan -- "You're a daddy. I'm a mommy. She's our baby. Deal with it." -Cali, 11/7/02, about 1:35 AM --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 17:08:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FFC106567A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from nagual.nl (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [82.74.10.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE8C8FC19 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from westmark (westmark.nagual.nl [192.168.11.22]) by nagual.nl (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/yanta) with SMTP id mBBH8kPC002938 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:08:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:08:31 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20081211180831.43742c8a.dick@nagual.nl> In-Reply-To: <20081211170954.A1698@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <20081211170954.A1698@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: de nagual X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.14.3; i386-pc-solaris2.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 192.168.11.35 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:08:37 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:10:18 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > "except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here, > > it's so natural to just unplug an USB device > > it's so natural to unmount device before removing. at least in unix... On a modern UNIX (like solaris nevada) I don't have to unmount those devices. I just can unplug it and nothing "bad" happens ;-) -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv103 ++ + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 17:14:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4656D106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from nagual.nl (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [82.74.10.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD39B8FC16 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from westmark (westmark.nagual.nl [192.168.11.22]) by nagual.nl (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/yanta) with SMTP id mBBHEdFA002964 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:14:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:14:24 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20081211181424.d67b1755.dick@nagual.nl> In-Reply-To: <20081211170906.R1698@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081211155208.D1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <18753.13932.981393.111999@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081211170906.R1698@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: de nagual X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.14.3; i386-pc-solaris2.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 192.168.11.35 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:14:29 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:09:39 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > well - solaris is not that bad. it's unix, you can work on it > "normally", it's just slow etc... Considering the things the system is doing for me it certainly is not slow. It's a rock-solid UNIX but like sendmail and it's former bugs and security hazards, a bad name does not go away easy. People tend to repeat eachother for a very long time. "Slowaris" is one of those terms. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv103 ++ + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 17:16:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B081065673 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:16:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from lmailproxy03.edpnet.net (lmailproxy03.edpnet.net [212.71.1.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2B28FC23 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (77.109.107.21.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net [77.109.107.21] (may be forged)) by lmailproxy03.edpnet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBBGiZR0012312; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:44:35 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20081211170954.A1698@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <20081211170954.A1698@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:44:32 +0100 Message-Id: <1229013872.990.0.camel@rivendell.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on lmailproxy03.edpnet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_99,RDNS_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on lmailproxy03.edpnet.net Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:16:34 -0000 On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 17:10 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > "except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here, it's so > > natural to just unplug an USB device > > it's so natural to unmount device before removing. at least in unix... > true too .. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 17:41:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678FD1065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9DC8FC25 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:41:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl22-219.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.149.219]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBBHeRBi018946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:40:54 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBHeLEa009100; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:40:21 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBBHeCAB009099; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:40:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Julien Cigar References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:40:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> (Julien Cigar's message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:23:04 +0100") Message-ID: <87fxkud30j.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBBHeRBi018946 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.86, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:41:25 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:23:04 +0100, Julien Cigar wrote: >> you may pkg_add from ftp repository > > of course .. too bad that there is no pkg_upgrade You can use: portupgrade -PP "pkgname" This will only use pre-compiled packages to upgrade. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 18:18:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B186C1065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:18:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from ns2.bafirst.com (72-12-2-19.static.networktel.net [72.12.2.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7460F8FC1F for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:18:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from casasponti.net ([201.155.7.3]) by ns2.bafirst.com with esmtp; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:18:20 -0600 id 000D4CB6.4941596C.00016761 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 80) by casasponti.net with local; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:18:19 -0600 id 00130C29.4941596B.00008C79 Received: from dsl-189-129-13-127.prod-infinitum.com.mx (dsl-189-129-13-127.prod-infinitum.com.mx [189.129.13.127]) by intranet.casasponti.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:18:19 -0600 Message-ID: <20081211121819.17qwm4xctzdwwgc88@intranet.casasponti.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:18:19 -0600 From: eculp@casasponti.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> In-Reply-To: <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (5.0-cvs) X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081114 Firefox/2.0.0.18 X-IMP-Server: 201.155.7.3 X-Originating-IP: 189.129.13.127 X-Originating-User: eculp@casasponti.net Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:18:22 -0000 Quoting Julien Cigar : > On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 15:56 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> > - on almost all my machines I have problems with CD/DVD drives, mostly >> > things like READ_BIG timeout, etc. I tried almost everything (disabling >> > ACPI, DMA, upgrading the drive BIOS, etc), disabling DMA resolved some >> > problems, but it's still impossible to burn a DVD for example. >> >> i don't have. i use only atapicam+cd driver, no acd. > > Of course I tried atapicam too (I even removed acd totally from the > kernel), but it doesn't resolve the problem(s) I assume that you made the recommended links en /etc/devfs.conf etc. =20 so I won't go into it but it has been literally years that I haven't =20 had an issue burning cd's or dvd's be it music, movies, OS's built =20 here or elsewhere. I've just recently started trusting all my burning =20 to k3b because I like the music for success after finishing the burn. ;) It works on all my different machines, even a cheapy acer laptop with dvdrw. As I said, I've not seen it NOT work on any and all cheap hardware in =20 a long, long time. I guess maybe I'm just lucky. ed P.S. The only thing that doesn't work on my cheapy laptop is the =20 crystal eye webcam but I think that even the linux crowd is having =20 issues with it plus I'm too old to want to send my video. > >> >> > - my mouse (a Logitec MX 300, USB) is still undetected at boot. Every >> > time I have to unplug/plug it after boot. Not a big deal I admit, but >> > boring. >> > - USB mass storage plug/unplug sometimes causes system panic. I know >> >> never got such thing, except when i forgot to unmount >> > > "except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here, it's so > natural to just unplug an USB device > >> > that this is a well known bug that require some rearchitecting and that >> > a proper umount has always been the way to umount a drive, but, >> > honestly, you cannot seriously convince someone to use FreeBSD with >> > things like this ... >> > - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... i= s >> > just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports (but >> > it's being resolved I think). Of course there are packages, but it's fa= r >> > less friendly to use (and manage) than apt-get/dpkg. >> >> you may pkg_add from ftp repository > > of course .. too bad that there is no pkg_upgrade > > -- > Julien Cigar > Belgian Biodiversity Platform > http://www.biodiversity.be > Universit=C3=A9 Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) > Campus de la Plaine CP 257 > B=C3=A2timent NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) > Boulevard du Triomphe, entr=C3=A9e ULB 2 > B-1050 Bruxelles > Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be > @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 > Tel : 02 650 57 52 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 18:37:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2CF1065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:37:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2D88FC0C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:37:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd6ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.163]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 11:37:44 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=3tcz3bTJAAAA:8 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=0QrI9hl6Y-VxU0WSP2QA:9 a=VTI0tMrnIL26rornPuoA:7 a=peTko2MIrl30G8m6X9g1DQQJMsIA:4 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd6ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 11:37:43 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE201701E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:37:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:37:42 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:37:45 -0000 On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:51:22 +1000 Da Rock wrote: > The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO > work in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good. > i'm not so sure that is really "THAT good". bells and whistles if not carefully thought out and implemented can add to instability. possibly more important, they can pervert the original good idea. i think the newer kde's is a case in point (from my personal experience, albeit). version 3 was good (despite the occasional crash). version 4 seemed to try to do all sorts of stuff and outdo windoze at being windoze. i'm using dwm :D i think this issue was dealt with rather well in the openbsd faq: ------------- 1.10 - Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? This question is often asked in exactly this manner -- with no explanation of what the asker means by "desktop". The only person who can answer that question is you, as it depends on what your needs and expectations are. While OpenBSD has a great reputation as a "server" operating system, it can be and is used on the desktop. Many "desktop" applications are available through packages and ports. As with all operating system decisions, the question is: can it do the job you desire in the way you wish? You must answer this question for yourself. http://openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#Desktop ------------- while i agree with you as far as having suitable driver accessibility, i don't see why one system needs to try to be all things to all people. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:09:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE2A1065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3E58FC08 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pqEK1a02c0x6nqcA6v9s1h; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:09:52 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pv9r1a00C1f6R9u8Yv9rp5; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:09:51 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:09:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:09:51 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.x/FreeBSD 7.0 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:09:53 -0000 On Thu 11 Dec 2008 at 10:37:42 PST prad wrote: >while i agree with you as far as having suitable driver accessibility, >i don't see why one system needs to try to be all things to all people. I agree. But if FreeBSD isn't trying to be all things to all people, the implication is that it IS trying to be only some things to only some people. Looking at http://www.freebsd.org/about.html and the links therefrom, I don't see anything narrowing down who those "some people" are or what the "some things" might be which FreeBSD is aiming to provide to them. In fact, http://www.freebsd.org/applications.html seems to suggest that ordinary desktop users are among the target audience. There we see FreeBSD recommended, not only to service providers and sysadmins, but also to software developers, students and researchers, internet surfers, and even game players. The impression I get from the website is that FreeBSD is indeed trying to be all things to all people. Did I miss something? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:11:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE51106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:11:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-19.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-19.bluehost.com [69.89.20.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8E338FC13 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:11:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 30106 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 19:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 19:11:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=iTT1Gga5DNGKaHeaA43jdDjQ5mjRsjA0Pi/38Wjf/GGhN54+UKY4bWOcTVL+ZE4+w3fFTW876yxfVCZ9IHPecB5aqfB+fWwltDAHbqapiAvn+3bhq4pIwbznTJBNlJoq; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAqwF-0001Jc-At for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:11:07 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:10:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:10:48 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211191048.GA4970@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9A4AD986-6A69-4EF8-846E-A9CDADA23390@rgbaz.eu> <20081211124353.H5935@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211124353.H5935@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:11:52 -0000 --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:44:23PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >that's the most narrow minded post i've seen here since i'm on this group >=20 > or your narrow mail reading . > >As if the only work that can be considered real work is the work you do.= .. > > > >The reason why I CAN'T do any serious work on FreeBSD is because it lacks > >the NVidia drivers (i'm in the film/commercial industry). >=20 > it's not "bells and whistles" but drivers. Your whole "bells and whistles" line of BS started with your assertion that we don't even need fully functional NVIDIA drivers, though. You seem to think that there's no legitimate use for 3D accelerated graphics, for some reason -- and yes, that's pretty damned narrow-minded. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Anonymous quoth: "Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence." --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBZbgACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVFYwCeIMM4NjjA9ERqhaYp7yCl++FG 6boAn1xDQqaIl3kfa9qlqwZwUJR6w8/O =3f1e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:12:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9541065675 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-127.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-127.bluehost.com [67.222.38.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A945A8FC27 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 24680 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 19:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 19:12:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=g8Xhudo+docE4APqoPZdaO+voxXRkl+0ygpKu/3n5DKqjRDl3xml3cJZ4NUzhyPQ+qrdfm+dGDimmhk5StBE6MsHkZ/Sws/TLFQK9h4X3zDVIMY1svLdY1bZ5G0vFWEh; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAqxi-0001mi-Es for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:12:38 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:12:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:12:19 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:12:38 -0000 --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:28:00PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO work > >in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good. >=20 > in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it paying a= =20 > bit for windows is not a problem. >=20 > Those who need to do actual work, we have FreeBSD for example Bullshit: http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=3D335 Please stop trolling. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] print substr('Just another Perl hacker', 0, -2); --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBZhMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXVuQCgwFuonoN1gLrntMVHjhMUVE60 sfoAnRLIcvKgGB0bFRhPVUIXeiJ7Ec/Y =3PkK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:28:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5878E106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:28:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-155.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-155.bluehost.com [67.222.39.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29D568FC19 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:28:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 21873 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 19:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 19:28:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=X4DCiFo4azL8sfilVgsB+prq3pv7r+CP2O7ICUXNevwZoOgoQ/4bMxOw1dbsZ32KZqMbxM0ECJk0lTPrbCGafwUfSqRM99mzo8teOZWszqSTbiohkEcWwCAkMG//iUCe; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LArDJ-0007Bw-1J for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:28:45 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:28:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:28:25 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211192825.GC4970@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s9fJI615cBHmzTOP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:28:45 -0000 --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 02:40:06PM +0100, Julien Cigar wrote: > Just to share my point of view : >=20 > I use FreeBSD only since 6.2, before that I was a long-time Debian user. > For the little experience I have with it I must admit that it looks > pretty solid and a perfect choice for a "server" (for proof: I replaced > almost all my Debian boxes with FreeBSD, both at work and at home) : That very closely mirrors my own experience; I too moved from long-time Debian GNU/Linux use to FreeBSD circa 6.2. I have no regrets. > - on almost all my machines I have problems with CD/DVD drives, mostly > things like READ_BIG timeout, etc. I tried almost everything (disabling > ACPI, DMA, upgrading the drive BIOS, etc), disabling DMA resolved some > problems, but it's still impossible to burn a DVD for example. That boggles my mind -- but then, I remember having even worse problems with the hardware interface to the optical disk drive in a ThinkPad T43 at one point when using Debian GNU/Linux, so I suppose it's not unprecedented. I suspect it's an issue with some nonstandard hardware interface that hasn't been resolved yet. > - my mouse (a Logitec MX 300, USB) is still undetected at boot. Every > time I have to unplug/plug it after boot. Not a big deal I admit, but > boring. I'm surprised to hear you have that issue. Are you, perhaps, using an older version of FreeBSD -- and might this be something fixed in newer releases? I'm just curious, because my experience has been quite the opposite; my mouse and keyboard experience with FreeBSD has actually been better than with Debian GNU/Linux and MS Windows in the past. > - USB mass storage plug/unplug sometimes causes system panic. I know > that this is a well known bug that require some rearchitecting and that > a proper umount has always been the way to umount a drive, but, > honestly, you cannot seriously convince someone to use FreeBSD with > things like this ... This is actually supposed to be fixed by Tomasz Napierala, with an estimated project completion date of February 2009, according to this announcement: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2008-November/001214.= html > - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... is > just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports (but > it's being resolved I think). Of course there are packages, but it's far > less friendly to use (and manage) than apt-get/dpkg. I'd like to see management of packages made simpler and easier, without package management getting any further diverged from ports management of course. The unification of package and port management is kind of a must-have feature in my opinion, but surely something can be done about making installing and upgrading from packages simpler and easier without further damaging that unification. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Edmund Burke: "Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgement; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion." --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBadkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXAOACgrF4fRUnKwp1mZb5MX3/iRjLy 9fgAn3xOnWDP623OPbdpuPsc/1W6FQ/5 =b1F2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:30:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF361065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:30:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gunther.mayer@googlemail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8308FC08 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gunther.mayer@googlemail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so529324fgb.35 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:30:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=8c2TdADRQmkp5pwtm+D13ouxBqYJ/EBTf5RPeMwkmJ8=; b=BeTFlrBVGNWWV9BwFoXmpuBWTVfhtUWdM/TGYbcOkRIUSqYJQTXxqbqAvX4cyKQ3aB t9s7wadxfwBYDB6SvfusDn1XA/H4iVoG/AX9ib3GVjYijEgrFvZ2m1N2xsBKcmP9CYPc uFl07zMfMIByEUuqjwVo9yl8kLJ9fu1oLNrQ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; b=dF31pnqP7ZtBuK3y/0lPCeu9fdENswOhBuShYSpG8OMs867TdooJ5kiIVvvg3hr5YT CgEk837myP9UXKN39ksfybHAZ3wpbW+Ttc4e2ImuTnEPbKLYODhrMELwe9wYmQM9PXPL NpoAepVJnZGxRQ5p8ipOiVPDlRHW/mLGdOVBk= Received: by 10.86.59.18 with SMTP id h18mr1458902fga.31.1229021916336; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?172.25.0.140? ([196.7.14.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm1598837fgg.58.2008.12.11.10.58.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:58:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494162D7.4010500@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:58:31 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gunther Mayer Subject: ftpd not chroot'ing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:30:44 -0000 Hi guys, I'm trying to set up a really simple, single account write only ftp service. So I put ftpd_enable="YES" ftpd_flags="-o -d" in my rc.conf and started the ftp server. Now I have a special password enabled user account called "camera" (none of the other accounts have passwords, all logins are either remote ssh with keys or local terminal access with root) with login shell /bin/sh. So far so good. All I want to do now is now use the chroot facility of ftpd so that when user "camera" logs in ftpd will chroot the session to its home directory (/home/camera). man ftpd and man ftpchroot tells me to put something like camera yes in /etc/ftpchroot. But once I do that I always get: $ ftp myserver.mydomain.com Connected to myserver.mydomain.com 220 myserver FTP server (Version 6.00LS) ready. Name (mypc:test): camera 331 Password required for camera. Password: 550 Can't change root. Login failed. ftp> quit 221 Goodbye. If I disable that line in /etc/ftpchroot by commenting it out I can log in perfectly fine though. Even debug log messages (-d) don't tell me anything more than "can't change root" :-( The alternative as stated by "man ftpd" - putting a ":ftp-chroot=true:" in /etc/login.conf and doing a cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf seems to make no difference as no chroot is in effect (I can still cd .. and get to /home). What am I doing wrong? Gunther From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:32:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5091065673 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6075D8FC1F for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd6ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.160]) by pd7mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 12:32:59 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=ZqsDPVCmzbTPBDR1HgQA:9 a=rTARi-OQKLym6XwI174A:7 a=jZ3xC6p5dQ5BQVu7cYGfhi505rAA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd6ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 12:32:58 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4C91701E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:32:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:32:57 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:32:59 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:09:51 -0800 Charlie Kester wrote: > The impression I get from the website is that FreeBSD is indeed trying > to be all things to all people. Did I miss something? > charlie, i think the point of that page is indicated here: "Here are some examples of the environments in which FreeBSD is used" these are examples of freebsd's versatility, which is not the same as saying freebsd is ubiquitously versatile. admittedly the stuff in red: "FreeBSD is an operating system that will grow with your needs." could be interpreted as the "all things to all people" and i think does may be make a case for providing 'more', but i think that's something best left to be explained by the people at the helm of the ship. and the key point is perhaps right here: "FreeBSD users are quite proud of not only how fast but how reliable their systems are." so whatever else, i think this statement is certainly something we can all agree on. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:33:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D6C106567C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:33:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CC58FC30 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBJUX8J001388; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:30:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBJUWg4001385; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:30:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:30:32 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> Message-ID: <20081211202935.X1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:33:19 -0000 > While OpenBSD has a great reputation as a "server" operating system, it for whom? ;) it's just overadvertised nothing more, having no adventage over FreeBSD in any point. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:35:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7C41065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:35:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1428FC21 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBJWKeq001422; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:32:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBJWK5u001419; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:32:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:32:20 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:35:09 -0000 > > Please stop trolling. having different opinion than yours isn't trolling. and i WILL NOT stop writing my opinions just because your is different. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:38:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D941065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:38:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-306.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-306.bluehost.com [67.222.53.252]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 776168FC37 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:38:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 21906 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 19:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 19:30:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=epRv7sNvPHywQJ5fCb5JZUYopAOdgXA1eUEQsgQtqie5aLDjntcTR1+3rRb3SKghWVoZOuxThVxyGsuEf6tUA2TJO2xfMpNLu7kkPjAOImQu/mDZXbAMwXGE3Il3BsCz; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LArGb-0008I1-N1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:32:09 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:31:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:31:50 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211193150.GD4970@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <200812111838.31387.subbsd@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MAH+hnPXVZWQ5cD/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200812111838.31387.subbsd@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:38:03 -0000 --MAH+hnPXVZWQ5cD/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 06:38:30PM +0300, Ole wrote: > Also you can use portupgrade -PP >=20 > -PP > --use-packages-only Never use the port even if a package is not a= vail- > able either locally or remotely, although you > still have to keep your ports tree up-to-date= so > that portupgrade can check out what the latest > version of each port is. >=20 > In in some cases re-compiling it better then package usage. For example y= ou=20 > may wish for GnomeVFS support by OO, or drop GNOME support and KDE suppor= t=20 > instead. This function sets in configure by program author and when you= =20 > working with ports you can play this options I'd love to drop GNOME and KDE support for OO.o, but on my laptop I really don't have the resources to spare for compiling OO.o, so I live with whatever's in the package. Such is life. Actually, I'd love to drop OO.o too, but I haven't gained the level of familiarity with LaTeX yet to do the things I do with OO.o when making invoices. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Sterling Camden: "The Church doesn't want people calling for inquisitions." --MAH+hnPXVZWQ5cD/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBaqYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXCvQCdEWx7aNpTO54whwyHG8U92UlB 9vYAoLjOhXi5LkNIJC+dyVySkz2XqYeQ =kF6l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MAH+hnPXVZWQ5cD/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:49:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BCE1065679 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DED8FC14 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:49:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBJka6o001466; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:46:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBJkaOV001463; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:46:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:46:36 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081211193150.GD4970@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081211204617.M1462@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <200812111838.31387.subbsd@gmail.com> <20081211193150.GD4970@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:49:22 -0000 >> instead. This function sets in configure by program author and when you >> working with ports you can play this options > > I'd love to drop GNOME and KDE support for OO.o, but on my laptop I > really don't have the resources to spare for compiling OO.o, so I live > with whatever's in the package. Such is life. simply make your own package somewhere and then use pkg_add From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 19:55:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689351065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-118.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-118.bluehost.com [69.89.22.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 33F968FC0C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 5748 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 19:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 19:55:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=E+v54BHzbqUiscZwOfD10OZ5JwpD4lxpKth/QBrsraIwlVGRbDC18kT2D2NwHngUTEzxbx6HWaKpXcCZUaFjcWCPq61R+aKoeXoDebvZjpz+DMxq53tbqGKhJYbj22PM; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LArd5-0007qu-VG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:55:24 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:55:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:55:04 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:55:24 -0000 --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:32:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >Please stop trolling. > having different opinion than yours isn't trolling. > and i WILL NOT stop writing my opinions just because your is different. It's not just that you have a different opinion than me -- it's that every time someone brings up anything related to migration from some other OS to FreeBSD, you basically tell them to go away. This is unproductive, leads to endless argument on the mailing list, and generally makes everyone unhappy. That sounds suspiciously like trolling to me. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] My first programming koan: If a lambda has the ability to access its context, but there isn't any context to access -- is it still a closure? --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBcBgACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXjqgCaApLEoTG+le8BaYZifRgDu+7T PLkAoNW9Wci4NfJ87bCe65Ibbmi2joCs =W/ZC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 20:20:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683441065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE138FC18 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pn7e1a0040ldTLk54wLQAd; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:24 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pwLQ1a0021f6R9u3QwLQhZ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:24 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:20:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:20:23 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.x/FreeBSD 7.0 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:26 -0000 On Thu 11 Dec 2008 at 11:32:57 PST prad wrote: >> >charlie, i think the point of that page is indicated here: >"Here are some examples of the environments in which FreeBSD is used" > >these are examples of freebsd's versatility, which is not the same as >saying freebsd is ubiquitously versatile. > >admittedly the stuff in red: >"FreeBSD is an operating system that will grow with your needs." >could be interpreted as the "all things to all people" and i think does >may be make a case for providing 'more', but i think that's something >best left to be explained by the people at the helm of the ship. I was searching for a statement of FreeBSD's *goals* and came away with the impression that it's trying to be a general-purpose operating system. Goals are one thing. How much progress you've made toward meeting your goals is another. This thread has been about some things FreeBSD still needs to do in order to meet what do seem to be, after all, some of its goals. Wojciech seems to be denying that FreeBSD has any such goals that require these changes. But his argument implies that FreeBSD is some kind of special-purpose OS with a limited target audience. I don't think that interpretation is supported by the way FreeBSD is presented on its own website. But I admit, I'm still rather new to FreeBSD. Perhaps I've misunderstood what it's all about. So I'll leave my question about its goals as one for the more experienced members of the list to answer. If I've got it wrong, I hope they'll correct me. >and the key point is perhaps right here: "FreeBSD users are quite proud >of not only how fast but how reliable their systems are." > >so whatever else, i think this statement is certainly something we can >all agree on. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. I don't ever want the speed or reliability of the OS to be compromised by anything that is done to meet its remaining goals. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 20:47:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B761065687 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perlcat@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C658B8FC18 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perlcat@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([67.206.60.105]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081211204716.LHZT22277.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:47:16 -0600 Received: from ext-b14-105.omhq.uprr.com ([67.206.60.105]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081211204715.IRMV28131.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@ext-b14-105.omhq.uprr.com> for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:47:15 -0600 From: Tyson Boellstorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:47:15 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 a=1yfBXCjDx5NWI7rL1MbouQ==:17 a=BpLqDIv6_PWS6CcP_YUA:9 a=UdbEVFxUlW5_0ZDuo-4A:7 a=fE3XQPDROIl_WvsQJcCCh7diwSYA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:47:17 -0000 On Thursday 11 December 2008 13:55:04 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:32:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >Please stop trolling. > > > > having different opinion than yours isn't trolling. > > and i WILL NOT stop writing my opinions just because your is different. > > It's not just that you have a different opinion than me -- it's that > every time someone brings up anything related to migration from some > other OS to FreeBSD, you basically tell them to go away. This is > unproductive, leads to endless argument on the mailing list, and > generally makes everyone unhappy. That sounds suspiciously like trolling > to me. In Wojciech's defense, he is technically skilled, has found use for FreeBSD, and spends his time on the mailing list answering questions. I enjoy his opinions, and if FreeBSD ever needed a BOFH, he'd be my first choice. Not to say that he knows everything about everything -- that's my Ex's job. The answers he gives are somewhat abrupt and definitely coloured by his experiences and ego -- if you want your hand held, he is not your guy. However, he has valid points, and isn't trolling. It's just who he is. It's a cultural thing, and his input is valuable enough that I don't filter him out or stir him up. If you recall, on the mailing list, there are cautions not to waste people's time with FAQ questions due to the response they may get, and from what I've seen over time, the people on the list have been kind and gone well beyond the 'RTFM' answer I'd have given most inquiries if it was up to me. I guess what I'm saying is that Wojciech acts well within the expected guidelines on the list, and if you don't like his answers, you certainly are not obligated to respond. I don't respond to 99% of his responses, but I am seeing a dogpile coming on, and I'm not so sure that's a good idea. If we want FreeBSD to grow to where vendors pick up obscure and not-so-obscure devices and support it more than it is now, we need publicity. If we need publicity, we need marketing types. If we need marketing types, we need to pay them, and we need to put up with them, and even be nice to them. I'm not so sure I want to pay that price. As it stands right now, it's a meritocracy -- those with the skills share their work with others with the skills. It is bound together by the respect we have for each other, and there's not much name-calling going on. The product is technically sound, has better hardware support than other *ixes (I run OpenBSD on servers -- but not on the laptop beause of the lack of laptop support), and gets the job done well. The documentation is simply phenomenal. I'm good with that. I'm also more than pleased that there are barriers to entry based upon a basic unix knowledge level -- I've had one too many encounters with the unwashed to want to go that direction. Linux developers spend more time catering to that crowd, and IMO, it suffers for it as much as it benefits from it. If someone wants to commercialize FreeBSD, they are welcome to do so within the terms of the license -- the more the merrier. But asking the list to hand-hold is a bit much -- we're adults here with real jobs that we should be doing. Getting an opinion from a person with skills isn't such a bad thing, and I think the list benefits from his knowledge. To be completely honest, I'd rather get the right information from a person who cannot relate than no answer at all from people who are more friendly. 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(adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1019925ywf.22.2008.12.11.13.23.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:23:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494184B7.2030104@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:23:03 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tyson Boellstorff References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:23:11 -0000 Tyson Boellstorff wrote: > On Thursday 11 December 2008 13:55:04 Chad Perrin wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:32:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >>>> Please stop trolling. >>>> >>> having different opinion than yours isn't trolling. >>> and i WILL NOT stop writing my opinions just because your is different. >>> >> It's not just that you have a different opinion than me -- it's that >> every time someone brings up anything related to migration from some >> other OS to FreeBSD, you basically tell them to go away. This is >> unproductive, leads to endless argument on the mailing list, and >> generally makes everyone unhappy. That sounds suspiciously like trolling >> to me. >> > > In Wojciech's defense, he is technically skilled, has found use for FreeBSD, > and spends his time on the mailing list answering questions. I enjoy his > opinions, and if FreeBSD ever needed a BOFH, he'd be my first choice. Not to > say that he knows everything about everything -- that's my Ex's job. > > The answers he gives are somewhat abrupt and definitely coloured by his > experiences and ego -- if you want your hand held, he is not your guy. > However, he has valid points, and isn't trolling. It's just who he is. It's a > cultural thing, and his input is valuable enough that I don't filter him out > or stir him up. If you recall, on the mailing list, there are cautions not to > waste people's time with FAQ questions due to the response they may get, and > from what I've seen over time, the people on the list have been kind and gone > well beyond the 'RTFM' answer I'd have given most inquiries if it was up to > me. > > I guess what I'm saying is that Wojciech acts well within the expected > guidelines on the list, and if you don't like his answers, you certainly are > not obligated to respond. I don't respond to 99% of his responses, but I am > seeing a dogpile coming on, and I'm not so sure that's a good idea. > > If we want FreeBSD to grow to where vendors pick up obscure and not-so-obscure > devices and support it more than it is now, we need publicity. If we need > publicity, we need marketing types. If we need marketing types, we need to > pay them, and we need to put up with them, and even be nice to them. I'm not > so sure I want to pay that price. > > As it stands right now, it's a meritocracy -- those with the skills share > their work with others with the skills. It is bound together by the respect > we have for each other, and there's not much name-calling going on. The > product is technically sound, has better hardware support than other *ixes (I > run OpenBSD on servers -- but not on the laptop beause of the lack of laptop > support), and gets the job done well. The documentation is simply phenomenal. > I'm good with that. I'm also more than pleased that there are barriers to > entry based upon a basic unix knowledge level -- I've had one too many > encounters with the unwashed to want to go that direction. Linux developers > spend more time catering to that crowd, and IMO, it suffers for it as much as > it benefits from it. > > If someone wants to commercialize FreeBSD, they are welcome to do so within > the terms of the license -- the more the merrier. But asking the list to > hand-hold is a bit much -- we're adults here with real jobs that we should be > doing. Getting an opinion from a person with skills isn't such a bad thing, > and I think the list benefits from his knowledge. To be completely honest, > I'd rather get the right information from a person who cannot relate than no > answer at all from people who are more friendly. > I agree. nothing wrong with his posts. the mailing list was never described as a warm, social gather. you want answers, and you get them here. i for one would rather him be abrupt and short. no need for the pomp and circumstance. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 21:24:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCBA106567D for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.piggybox@virgin.net) Received: from smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com (smtprelay-virgin0134.hostedemail.com [64.99.136.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615558FC1E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.piggybox@virgin.net) Received: from smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtpgrave06.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC49F87F03 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay05.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 387F2191A; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:03:19 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 4a07b07d4dce7de6, bac5299263adec61, peter.piggybox@virgin.net, wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, RULES_HIT:355:379:404:599:601:945:965:966:967:973:980:988:989:1260:1261:1277:1312:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1516:1518:1519:1534:1541:1593:1594:1595:1596:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2194:2196:2199:2200:2393:2525:2551:2553:2559:2563:2682:2685:2857:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3352:3622:3865:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4250:4361:4385:4390:4395:4860:5007:6114:6119:6120:6261:7679:7875:7901:7903:8501:9010:9025:9108:9388, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from laptop.piggybox (client-81-110-22-201.watf.adsl.virgin.net [81.110.22.201]) by omf10.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop.piggybox (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by laptop.piggybox (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBBL3J8L002890; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:03:19 GMT (envelope-from peter@laptop.piggybox) Received: (from peter@localhost) by laptop.piggybox (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBBL3JlX002889; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:03:19 GMT (envelope-from peter) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:03:19 +0000 From: Peter Harrison To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081211210319.GA1080@laptop.piggybox> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:24:05 -0000 Thursday, 11 December 2008 at 12:28:00 +0100, Wojciech Puchar said: > > > >The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO work > >in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good. > > in bells and whistles windows is best. for those who require it paying a > bit for windows is not a problem. Well, I've been using FreeBSD for my main desktop since 4.6.2. I'm currently running 7.1-PRERELEASE on a Dell laptop where everything works except the modem. I'm typing this whilst listening to the BBC radio through the iplayer on the net in Firefox (mplayer plugin). I can connect my Palm TX and Ipod without problem when I need to. My removable drives are automatically mounted and unmounted using the thunar volume manager under Xfce. Personally, I don't see the issue with FreeBSD on the desktop - unless you need flash or nvidia graphics on amd64 (which I don't). But I suppose YMMV. Regards, Peter Harrison. > > Those who need to do actual work, we have FreeBSD for example > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 21:24:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35EF1065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B051A8FC27 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd4ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.141]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 14:24:20 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=mT1P4uhxODaOwGy3TNsA:9 a=bT9PCwEdnlkEqKgyc10A:7 a=OcDn1hJThlwod83-nK2wyGH381sA:4 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd4ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 14:24:20 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA09F1701E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:24:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:24:19 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211132419.761ce14e@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:24:22 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:12:19 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > Please stop trolling. > chad, i don't think this is fair to wojciech. he is expressing his feelings and considerable knowledge about an os that he doesn't want to go the way of certain others. i find he writes concisely and backs up his statements. nor do i think there is anything wrong with the concept that if you don't find what you're looking for here, look elsewhere. that's not 'driving people away'. that's encouraging them to figure out what they want and get it where it is available - which is precisely what he and many others have done by going to freebsd. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 21:46:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3787A1065675 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:46:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074588FC20 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd7ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.162]) by pd7mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 14:46:23 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=3tcz3bTJAAAA:8 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=l4WEspBg1S0UlHiSROoA:9 a=-SVni_lGt5xEJYZj3r0A:7 a=XSmxYj3aMiYB1EkKkCwbiwGld7oA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd7ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 14:46:23 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE991701E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:46:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:46:22 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:46:24 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:20:23 -0800 Charlie Kester wrote: > Goals are one thing. How much progress you've made toward meeting > your goals is another. This thread has been about some things > FreeBSD still needs to do in order to meet what do seem to be, after > all, some of its goals. > true, but goals are not carved in stone - and that might be exactly what wojciech is worried about. i remember reading one of his posts long ago where he pleaded that freebsd not stop being freebsd. > Wojciech seems to be denying that FreeBSD has any such goals that > require these changes. But his argument implies that FreeBSD is some > kind of special-purpose OS with a limited target audience. I don't > think that interpretation is supported by the way FreeBSD is presented > on its own website. > well yes and no. if you look on the features page: http://www.freebsd.org/features.html you can perhaps get a clearer picture of 'goals' (though they aren't as precisely stated perhaps as http://openbsd.org/goals.html). for instance: "No matter what the application, you want your system's resources performing at their full potential. FreeBSD's focus on performance, networking, and storage combine with easy system administration and excellent documentation to allow you to do just that." so performance, networking (and presumably serving), storage, administration and documentation would seem to be major matters of concern. looking further we see: "... As a result, FreeBSD may be found across the Internet, in the operating system of core router products, running root name servers, hosting major web sites, and as the foundation for widely used desktop operating systems." so this would seem to clarify specific uses. the last bit about desktops is certainly true - freebsd is an excellent foundation for any desktop use, but that doesn't necessarily mean you get all the goodies thrown in. further: "FreeBSD provides advanced operating system features, making it ideal across a range of systems, from embedded environments to high-end multiprocessor servers." possibly the word 'ideal' can suggest the 'all things to all people' notion, but possibly it only means that it does really well in pretty much all situation, but not denying that another os may do better for a specific situation. i have a vague recollection from the past that freebsd felt they had erred with version 5 in that they tried to do too much too soon resulting in 5 not being as good as 4 (particularly 4.7, i think). this is really an area of major concern from a philosophical perspective. in an interview with a german magazine many years ago, bill gates plainly stated that microsoft wasn't too interested in fixing bugs. they were far more interested in providing the stuff the customers want. while that might seem to some like good business sense, it assumes that the 'customer is always right' (which is really another way of saying that the customer is always ripe for the picking). i don't think that's where we'd want freebsd to go. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 22:03:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593F4106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260BE8FC1D for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd2ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.134]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 15:03:14 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=Cu5SfzTEizBql84Im4IA:9 a=yXwCmx1hMndzIMGWFulMzs0-2rUA:4 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd2ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 15:03:14 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690E61701E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:03:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:03:13 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211140313.7ec2cd0d@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081211202935.X1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211202935.X1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:03:15 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:30:32 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > for whom? ;) it's just overadvertised nothing more, > ya well i'm not trying to do their advertising :D :D i merely copied it from their page. we did use openbsd for 1 yr for our servers and it was ok though some of the default security was irritating (for us). their elist wasn't nearly as good as this one and had some rather perpetually-angry-at-each-other people on it though there was one fantastic guy (nick holland) who was really knowledgeable and helpful to everyone. the real problem we had with openbsd was that the email system became unstable after doing the upgrades to the next version using their recommended upgrade process. in fact, the recommended upgrade process didn't work on when we tried to go to 4.1 for some of the software, which is really pretty weird. openbsd wants you to upgrade. what was surprising and refreshing here was to hear more than one person (and i think you were one of them), say why upgrade if the system is doing the job you want it to. so i'm not upgrading our servers because everything is working absolutely beautifully! > having no > adventage over FreeBSD in any point. > well i thought the 3.9 fish was kinda cute, but beastie is still much better! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 22:03:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ABB106567A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1708FC19 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A445A16C0066; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:03:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBBM3O6T002086; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:03:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:03:24 +0100 From: Polytropon To: prad Message-Id: <20081211230324.751ec325.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:03:28 -0000 Let me jump in again here. On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:46:22 -0800, prad wrote: > so performance, networking (and presumably serving), storage, > administration > and > documentation > would seem to be major matters of concern. That's a valid point. I definitely don't want to see these things changing. Because I have to administer and to program on FreeBSD, I enjoy (!) the excellent documentation. Everything is there, from system binaries, configuration files, maintenance procedures, system calls and kernel interfaces. Just look into the Linux world - you don't find this fine quality there very often. It seems to develop into a common habit that documentation is to be done by the users and to be published in Wikis and web forums. Personally, I prefer the "old fashioned" man command. Furthermore, FreeBSD's source code is written in a very good manner: tidy and self-explaining. The administration of the FreeBSD OS is, due to its good documentation, very easy. You can use editors as you wish, or add GUI frontends. But you don't have to if you feel that you work faster without all the pomp and pipes, turn and whistle. :-) There are no stupid programs that know better than you and then break your configuration. > so this would seem to clarify specific uses. the last bit about > desktops is certainly true - freebsd is an excellent foundation for any > desktop use, but that doesn't necessarily mean you get all the goodies > thrown in. I can't complain - FreeBSD-only desktop since 4.0 without problems. > possibly the word 'ideal' can suggest the 'all things to all people' > notion, but possibly it only means that it does really well in pretty > much all situation, but not denying that another os may do better for a > specific situation. As it has been adviced before, FreeBSD may not be a solution to a specific problem. But those who use FreeBSD are usually intelligent enough to look at other places where an OS might exist that will do what they want, instead of being ignorant and expecting someone to write the missing stuff for them for free. In Germany, we have the term "eierlegende Wollmilchsau" (egg- laying wool-milk-sow) for something that tries to please everyone's expectations, a kind of "all imaginable purposes devices to be used by everyone". Definitely, FreeBSD isn't such a device, but it doesn't try to be. Where purposes increase, quality usually decreases. I do see this, for example, in KDE's bad internationalisation (here, the German one); I always would prefer a system that is written in good english than one that is written in bad German and with english error messages. > in an interview with a german magazine many years ago, bill gates > plainly stated that microsoft wasn't too interested in fixing bugs. > they were far more interested in providing the stuff the customers > want. MICROS~1's customers want bugs, they get bugs because they paid for them. :-) > while that might seem to some like good business sense, it > assumes that the 'customer is always right' (which is really another > way of saying that the customer is always ripe for the picking). Hm, interesting point of view. Another idea would be the following slogan: Don't give them what they want, give them what they need. This implies that the customer often doesn't know what he needs. I see this concept in action every day. Sometimes, people are plain stupid, but their expectations are high as a mountain. You give them computing power not imaginable 10 years ago, and they treat their system like a worse typewriter and start complaining that it doesn't read their mind... > i don't think that's where we'd want freebsd to go. Personally, I would say so, or we'll end up here: http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/ I do read along there when I feel sad or angry. Maybe this page helps you, too. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 22:11:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977111065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:11:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FFD8FC13 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:11:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C2716C020B; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:11:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBBMBPXc002120; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:11:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:11:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: prad Message-Id: <20081211231125.ea0388d7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081211140313.7ec2cd0d@gom.home> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211202935.X1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211140313.7ec2cd0d@gom.home> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:11:27 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:03:13 -0800, prad wrote: > well i thought the 3.9 fish was kinda cute, but beastie is still much > better! Yes, it is. =^_^= ---> http://www.spilth.org/pictures/girls/ceren/ -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 22:19:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124B71065672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:19:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316DD8FC14 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBM6Zxf002119; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:06:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBBM6Z2v002116; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:06:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:06:35 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20081211230324.751ec325.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20081211230437.O2115@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081211230324.751ec325.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, prad Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:19:22 -0000 > things changing. Because I have to administer and to program > on FreeBSD, I enjoy (!) the excellent documentation. Everything > is there, from system binaries, configuration files, maintenance > procedures, system calls and kernel interfaces. Just look into i fully agree with you > the Linux world - you don't find this fine quality there very > often. It seems to develop into a common habit that documentation in linux: man command this manual is no longer maintained. try info, google or wiki. maybe you will find your documentation, maybe not. --- it's one of things that make linux unusable for me. > The administration of the FreeBSD OS is, due to its good > documentation, very easy. and due to clear config files, not linux-like mess. it's really clear and easy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 22:34:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57175106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E728FC0C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FFF16C004B; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:34:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBBMYA19002201; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:34:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:34:10 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20081211233410.6708ede3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081211230437.O2115@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081211230324.751ec325.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081211230437.O2115@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, prad Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:34:13 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:06:35 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > in linux: > > man command > > this manual is no longer maintained. try info, google or wiki. maybe you > will find your documentation, maybe not. Or try this with third party software on FreeBSD, for example with KDE and its applications. In opposite, see the manpages of XMMS, MPlayer, WindowMaker, even Opera... just to name a few; it shows that it's possible to have good documentation, even for third party software on FreeBSD, but it seems that not all projects intend to do so, and that's sad. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 22:35:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4A01065670 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:35:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BFE8FC13 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:35:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.23.8.177] (nat-service4.juniper.net [66.129.225.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBBMZmd1024974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:35:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <494195BF.8090807@enabled.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:35:43 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: dialog run away processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:35:48 -0000 Hi there, sometimes I find there one or two processes with the command name of 'dialog' tacking the cpu on my freebsd machines. any clues what creates this situation and how I can circumvent the problem? It appears to happen around the time I run portmanager to update all the system ports. I am running 6.2-RELEASE-p11 Cheers, Noah From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 22:42:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6131065673 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:42:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D988FC1A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:42:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B921C16C01F1; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:42:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBBMgBUK002240; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:42:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:42:11 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Noah Message-Id: <20081211234211.a75f44b4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <494195BF.8090807@enabled.com> References: <494195BF.8090807@enabled.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: dialog run away processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:42:14 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:35:43 -0800, Noah wrote: > Hi there, > > sometimes I find there one or two processes with the command name of > 'dialog' tacking the cpu on my freebsd machines. any clues what creates > this situation and how I can circumvent the problem? It appears to > happen around the time I run portmanager to update all the system ports. > > I am running 6.2-RELEASE-p11 Idea: The dialog utility is used to create a menu driven configuration dialog for ports where options for the compilation process can be selected. Maybe such dialogs are started during the updating process controlled by portmanager? Check if some kind of "batch job" can explicitely be ordered for the portmanager update run. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 23:23:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E890A106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699578FC22 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from [80.217.86.51] (c80-217-86-51.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.86.51]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBBNNAb0009953; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:23:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4941A0DD.7060803@bah.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:23:09 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.5 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julien Cigar References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> In-Reply-To: <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:23:28 -0000 Julien Cigar said the following on 2008-12-11 14:40: > - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... is > just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports (but > it's being resolved I think). Of course you can use -j to build ports. Just cd to/your/port make -j8 install (clean) With portupgrade you use -m -j8 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 23:44:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254511065675 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:44:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99FF8FC12 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd5ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.166]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 16:44:07 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=zmqoveycAAAA:8 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=AgKHBjAptCZ8RQJbC-QA:9 a=0U_xe7eI4oshyoXK3n2VDf2cYNsA:4 a=jKRid43F7UoA:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd5ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 16:44:07 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624C31701E; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:44:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:44:06 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211154406.7eb6038b@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081211230324.751ec325.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081211230324.751ec325.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:44:08 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:03:24 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > In Germany, we have the term "eierlegende Wollmilchsau" (egg- > laying wool-milk-sow) > that is indeed a great term! > MICROS~1's customers want bugs, they get bugs because they paid > for them. :-) > :D may be the mac people can use your line here in one of their commercials :D > You give them computing power not imaginable 10 years ago, and > they treat their system like a worse typewriter and start > complaining that it doesn't read their mind... > it's really fascinating, isn't it!! > Personally, I would say so, or we'll end up here: > > http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/ > > I do read along there when I feel sad or angry. Maybe this > page helps you, too. :-) > i am fortunate in that i don't get sad or angry, but do like reading about other perspectives that a situation may inspire, such as this one from the site you recommend: Tech Support: "What version of Windows do you have installed?" Customer: "... Double glazed." there really are some true gems on that site, so i'm going to pass it on to others ... the only problem is that some of those others may have done exactly some of those things that are on that site. :D :D -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 23:58:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C88106564A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-129.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-129.bluehost.com [67.222.38.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F40B8FC1A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 22800 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2008 23:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 23:58:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=TtARVYu2x9ooIbOvwX16rAkizylH45+2QOcxeY7cAcnJqIQE60tl/xjSUbRG573DS4B1qi1rpiWXjJoyA9jUp9faKZ9TQ4bQncp6Y3qbuIGSONEqGj2aYEny5NPC80Fz; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAvQf-0008Ji-Dd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:58:49 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:58:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:58:29 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211235829.GA32300@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <200812111838.31387.subbsd@gmail.com> <20081211193150.GD4970@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211204617.M1462@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211204617.M1462@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:58:49 -0000 --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:46:36PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>instead. This function sets in configure by program author and when you > >>working with ports you can play this options > > > >I'd love to drop GNOME and KDE support for OO.o, but on my laptop I > >really don't have the resources to spare for compiling OO.o, so I live > >with whatever's in the package. Such is life. >=20 > simply make your own package somewhere and then use pkg_add Sometimes, that isn't an option. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Georg Hackl: "American beer is the first successful attempt at diluting water." --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBqSUACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVoCgCglsdsUhXAxyFTLmCUqXL0C0z2 NE0AnRUQahOI9Ko7tFN3jp7qvbga7GV4 =HNT+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 23:58:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FAF10656E8 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20AD8FC16 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:58:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5775D3D3DE; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:58:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBBNwjMK002591; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:58:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:58:45 +0100 From: Polytropon To: prad Message-Id: <20081212005845.1fd5ca15.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081211154406.7eb6038b@gom.home> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081211230324.751ec325.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081211154406.7eb6038b@gom.home> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:58:58 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:44:06 -0800, prad wrote: > may be the mac people can use your line here in one of their > commercials :D But only if Mac OS X supports 8.3 filenames. :-) > > You give them computing power not imaginable 10 years ago, and > > they treat their system like a worse typewriter and start > > complaining that it doesn't read their mind... > > > it's really fascinating, isn't it!! It's even more fascinating if you realized that there are people really thinking this way, without any joke. "The computer has to know what I want, and if it doesn't, it's worthless crap." > Tech Support: "What version of Windows do you have installed?" > Customer: "... Double glazed." >From the "Operating systems" page: Tech Support: "May I ask what operating system you are running today?" Customer: "A computer." Sure. :-) > there really are some true gems on that site, so i'm going to pass it > on to others ... For example "Why should I pay you to work on my computer?" > the only problem is that some of those others may have > done exactly some of those things that are on that site. :D :D The "4X cup holder" woman, "Miss Backup" or "Mr. Modem"? :-) Yeah, I know, "Computer Stupidities" is great, and it's no scarry fiction (SF). Finally (or first?) note the words of Charles Babbage, presented on the main page: "On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 00:07:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D027106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-309.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-309.bluehost.com [67.222.54.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 407018FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 4766 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 00:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 00:05:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Rlgt7GXBgmScB+P8SFJdAWTwaKLSA0Hnh/MjTPJi+FtQvA5scHBjdZKQpkPDRksi+XyqYOC4qlPueAZmaCGWct7ZbaeydGTbKwKOSua9gV4W5TYTRmtAXViIYCHePRM1; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAvZF-0002Sa-Uw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:07:42 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:07:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:07:22 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212000722.GB32300@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> <494184B7.2030104@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+g7M9IMkV8truYOl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <494184B7.2030104@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:07:42 -0000 --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:23:03PM -0500, michael wrote: > I agree. nothing wrong with his posts. the mailing list was never=20 > described as a warm, social gather. you want answers, and you get them=20 > here. i for one would rather him be abrupt and short. no need for the=20 > pomp and circumstance. I have no problem with honest abruptness. What I do have a problem with is patently absurd statements about the superiority of MS Windows for classes of uses for which it is *not* superior, and the claim that such classes of use are somehow "bad" or unworthy. I'm also rather annoyed by the fact that he persists in making such patently absurd statements in an effort to scare off anyone who might actually become a contributing member of the FreeBSD community even after someone has provided evidence to the contrary -- and seems to make it a policy to utterly ignore any evidence that contradicts his own narrow view of the world so he *can* persist in being a fork in the eye for anyone that is interested in FreeBSD but hasn't yet really gotten familiar with it. There's a big difference between people who ask RTFM-worthy questions and people who ask *good* questions that don't measure up to his standards of someone who should use FreeBSD. I'm tired of reading shit about how anything that could stand to be improved in FreeBSD is just catering to people who are better off using MS Windows instead, about how anyone using MS Windows should just stay in Microsoft's world and never bother trying to improve their computing environments, and so on. When someone other than him elects to be helpful, his interjections a dozen posts into a thread about how the person asking the question should just fuck off and die, and MS Windows is better anyway, are pretty damned counterproductive. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Marvin Minsky: ". . . anyone could learn Lisp in 1 day, except that if they already knew Fortran, it would take 3 days." --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBqzoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWUFgCfUPkyvc+w0jzhSAtr8Cf6EGrf QGUAniA0zfFVjcp4fFWULvbg10AFk/bc =bUvo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 00:11:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FDF1065673 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-158.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-158.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 765808FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 17253 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 00:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 00:11:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=FCdcz3LTaamstmtMD46Fei65bE4uvK6rCu4L4AtN33IVghKocx4gyaH9mu2riYpsUQJQqsMLhjW5mOKpgpwpux/bXZyLRWsDqWrUZzdrCjPijIE0cxG1oVtKTOU+oOOH; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAvdA-0003cW-Sw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:46 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212001125.GC32300@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211132419.761ce14e@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211132419.761ce14e@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:11:46 -0000 --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 01:24:19PM -0800, prad wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:12:19 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > Please stop trolling. > > > chad, i don't think this is fair to wojciech. he is expressing his > feelings and considerable knowledge about an os that he doesn't want to > go the way of certain others. i find he writes concisely and backs up > his statements. His manner of expressing his feelings seems to be to try to crush others' beneath his heel. Try examining the definition of the word "fair" before you use it in the future. >=20 > nor do i think there is anything wrong with the concept that if you > don't find what you're looking for here, look elsewhere. that's not > 'driving people away'. that's encouraging them to figure out what they > want and get it where it is available - which is precisely what he and > many others have done by going to freebsd. If he just said "If this doesn't suit your needs, try something else," I wouldn't have a problem. Telling people patent falsehoods about how FreeBSD simply can't do what other OSes can, even in cases where FreeBSD can do them *better* than those other OSes, in an attempt to drive away anyone that might be looking at FreeBSD as a possible migration path, is rather suboptimal in my opinion, however. You talk about how many people have gone where they can get what they want by migrating to FreeBSD, completely ignoring the fact that about half a dozen times in the last year (wild guess on frequency) he has done his level best to dissuade people from even finding out whether FreeBSD is where they can get what they want. What kind of cruel, sadistic bastard tries so hard to prevent people from bettering their circumstances like that? --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: "Perl is, in intent, a cleaned up and summarized version of that wonderful semi-natural language known as 'Unix'." --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBrC0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXqqACgl1GUywtFswIHNzF4d3vBEGqu WisAmwYQoiDC/LhChDczn31MX0MlDKxc =Cjwt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 00:28:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2311065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:28:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-31.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-31.bluehost.com [69.89.18.151]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD1378FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 1265 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 00:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 00:28:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=LMm38IJZwSMxNzpFTh08Q1xHE5ZjaEh5ucjvEWQ7+eA5IiLSnHeJrLoeQePHvSlnGivFs2judm/EB7RNqkQ4gbJ9Iwp5Qjw6h83xkpswUTcpbQZqNWES1REWXjZMtRRz; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAvtR-0007tN-O6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:34 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WChQLJJJfbwij+9x" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:28:34 -0000 --WChQLJJJfbwij+9x Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 01:46:22PM -0800, prad wrote: >=20 > looking further we see: > "... As a result, FreeBSD may be found across the Internet, in the > operating > system of core router products, running root name servers, hosting > major web sites, and as the foundation for widely used desktop > operating systems." >=20 > so this would seem to clarify specific uses. the last bit about > desktops is certainly true - freebsd is an excellent foundation for any > desktop use, but that doesn't necessarily mean you get all the goodies > thrown in. Indeed. FreeBSD is, in terms of its architecture and design philosophy, the best desktop system I've ever used. I would like it to continue to improve as a desktop system -- and, as such, I am vehemently opposed to anyone that suggests that for "desktop bells and whistles" everybody should just fuck off to Microsoft-land. I certainly don't want to sacrifice the things that make FreeBSD great, not only for servers but for my laptop as well. We don't have to sacrifice those things to improve support for common desktop task functionality such as better 3D accelerated graphics support. My mind boggles at the protestations I see against improving such support. Refusing to support such things will not make FreeBSD better: it will only make FreeBSD more limited. Can we stop trying to dissuade people from improving FreeBSD, and from advocating for improvements? I don't see any reason we can't try to talk hardware vendors into providing better specs so better drivers can be produced, nor any reason we can't welcome people who want to use Compiz Fusion and run currently popular games on their FreeBSD desktops into the community. We don't have to adopt Ubuntu's sudo-only administrative model, decide bugs aren't important to fix, or adopt a more monolithic approach to system design that would reduce the performance and stability of FreeBSD, in order to work on better driver support and desktop usability. >=20 > in an interview with a german magazine many years ago, bill gates > plainly stated that microsoft wasn't too interested in fixing bugs. > they were far more interested in providing the stuff the customers > want. while that might seem to some like good business sense, it > assumes that the 'customer is always right' (which is really another > way of saying that the customer is always ripe for the picking). >=20 > i don't think that's where we'd want freebsd to go. I certainly don't want FreeBSD to go there -- but that's not the same as wanting FreeBSD to offer better support for common desktop functionality like 3D accelerated graphics. Why does everybody seem so eager to assume that FreeBSD isn't, and shouldn't be, a good desktop system? --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Paul Graham: "SUVs are gross because they're the solution to a gross problem. (How to make minivans look more masculine.)" --WChQLJJJfbwij+9x Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBsB0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXBRwCg7jKHE7twRwmsC5UKFJhN7CK4 BrEAoNIwGtFa5RxZKHhxkZ9EETA9RQiu =o7qH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WChQLJJJfbwij+9x-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 00:47:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D554A1065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58DC8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd6ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.160]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 17:47:24 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=k4pX2eXYEmj6NS0u-CoA:9 a=cCNPKbkJldBcogXaS4MA:7 a=V8CUJjGYLU5XOyB6ZBbcrXuoqNcA:4 a=xwjUiWJILbsA:10 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd6ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 17:47:24 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EBE1701E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:47:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:47:23 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211164723.460f909a@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081212001125.GC32300@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211132419.761ce14e@gom.home> <20081212001125.GC32300@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:47:25 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > His manner of expressing his feelings seems to be to try to crush > others' beneath his heel. Try examining the definition of the word > "fair" before you use it in the future. > ok, chad, here's what you find on dictionary.com that are relevant: 1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge. 2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules: a fair fight. ok no one is really free from bias when it comes to these things. as shaw (i think) once wrote "an unbiased opinion isn't worth a damn". i do not think you have provided specific evidence that he has been dishonesty or unjust ... much less so that he has even been incorrect. and as far as 'sticking to the rules', he hasn't abused anyone from any of the posts i recall reading, so within the terms of conduct of an email list, i don't find your picturesque expression 'crush others beneath his heel' legitimate. > If he just said "If this doesn't suit your needs, try something > else," I wouldn't have a problem. Telling people patent falsehoods > about how FreeBSD simply can't do what other OSes can, even in cases > where FreeBSD can do them *better* than those other OSes, in an > attempt to drive away anyone that might be looking at FreeBSD as a > possible migration path, is rather suboptimal in my opinion, however. > it would be suboptimal, if it were true. however, i really can't recall anything of the sort, chad - ever. and certainly not in this thread. i also don't understand why you think he'd be even motivated to do this. of what possible interest could it be for him to drive others away from freebsd? > You talk about how many people have gone where they can get what they > want by migrating to FreeBSD, completely ignoring the fact that about > half a dozen times in the last year (wild guess on frequency) he has > done his level best to dissuade people from even finding out whether > FreeBSD is where they can get what they want. > perhaps i haven't read those specific posts. if they really do exist and are legitimate beyond your own personal vendetta (which it is seeming to have become for some reason now), could you point me there? > What kind of cruel, > sadistic bastard tries so hard to prevent people from bettering their > circumstances like that? > !!??!! chad, have you recently tried examining the definition of the word "troll" as it pertains to usage on an elist? you have your wishes for freebsd and he has his. they are different, but they don't need to lead to name calling and war. if you don't agree with what he says, then just post your disagreement with backup. he can do the same. may be you'll convince each other - may be you won't. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 01:00:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2BC10656A4 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2BD8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd2ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.134]) by pd3mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=lY30ihekU8kIDk6FZWUA:9 a=1wStCKhPtp75Vw0_s60A:7 a=_ssP4l1uElDPDH53tUXDGNfXPOkA:4 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd2ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD461701E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:00:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:00:11 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> References: <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:00:13 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > Can we stop trying to dissuade people > from improving FreeBSD, and from advocating for improvements? > i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. i think there is just some disagreement as to what is considered an improvement. > Why does everybody seem > so eager to assume that FreeBSD isn't, and shouldn't be, a good > desktop system? > from what i see, that isn't the concern. the concern specifically seems to be twofold: 1. that freebsd not lose its integrity in an attempt to support certain wishes of certain desktop users 2. that desktop usage is possibly not a primary goal and therefore should not detract from development in the other areas i think it is always an excellent idea to "talk hardware vendors into providing better specs so better drivers can be produced". this is something the openbsd group also advocated strongly for and it can only be good for all opensource (assuming it be done properly). however, i think the concern your opposition has is that the wishes of the desktop contigent not control the reins of development of an os we all find to be excellent ... so far. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 01:47:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904771065676 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-130.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-130.bluehost.com [67.222.38.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AF6F8FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 5848 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 01:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 01:47:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=GVO/Z0PIfjMbyRBWMrbo7CaHBm8o/UXGl73eL4aVcWWIfJIQiP46DmQrHhQs362lYZcOYBUFrmY21Bk+fH9UsToTl0WZjk3fnbWJ2H7mJeezruHxJCCpiLM2dJEdiogS; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAx7a-0002vC-SM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:47:15 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:46:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:46:54 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212014654.GA32982@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211132419.761ce14e@gom.home> <20081212001125.GC32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211164723.460f909a@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211164723.460f909a@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:47:15 -0000 --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:47:23PM -0800, prad wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > His manner of expressing his feelings seems to be to try to crush > > others' beneath his heel. Try examining the definition of the word > > "fair" before you use it in the future. > >=20 > ok, chad, here's what you find on dictionary.com that are relevant: > 1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair > judge. > 2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper > under the rules: a fair fight. My point exactly -- you rush to his defense, making statements that seem intended to skewer me for things he has done. I don't consider that the epitome of fairness. >=20 > ok no one is really free from bias when it comes to these things. as > shaw (i think) once wrote "an unbiased opinion isn't worth a damn". >=20 > i do not think you have provided specific evidence that he has been > dishonesty or unjust ... much less so that he has even been incorrect. Let's take, as an example, the link I provided in response to a comment of his that prompted a couple people to defend him. I've given him that URL three or four times in the last year, in direct response to some statement he has made suggesting that FreeBSD desktops simply cannot compare with MS Windows desktops in terms of flashiness, bells and whistles, et cetera. Each time, I have very clearly stated my disagreement with his estimation of FreeBSD as being thoroughly beaten by MS Windows in that area, with that URL provided as evidence to back my claim. Each time, he has completely ignored what I said and the URL I provided. He keeps coming back to make exactly the same sort of claims he has before, utterly failing to addresses arguments against his hand-waving statements without any logical or evidenciary support. Nobody else has bothered to dispute what I've said, either. In absence of, at *minimum*, some half-assed attempt to make a case against what I've provided, I will continue to regard his repetition of disputed, unsupported statements to be dishonest or at least wildly inaccurate. That's generally how *reasonable* people treat hand-waving arguments like his, with no logical or evidenciary support -- nor even personal, anecdotal support -- when they are disputed by a counterargument *with support*. Would you prefer I just accept his statements, which fly in the face of my own experience, even after he fails to answer supported disputations of their content, just because it's him and you say he has to be right about everything? Even if his statement itself isn't dishonest, his unwillingness to either back away from it or offer a counterargument when it is effectively disputed is dishonest. He pretends there is no other side to the matter, no other valid opinion, yet resolutely refuses to acknowledge such "other side" arguments when they arise. I use an example of my own statements only because I'm most familiar with my own statements -- not because others do not exist. >=20 > and as far as 'sticking to the rules', he hasn't abused anyone from > any of the posts i recall reading, so within the terms of conduct of > an email list, i don't find your picturesque expression 'crush others > beneath his heel' legitimate. I guess you haven't been reading very closely. >=20 > > If he just said "If this doesn't suit your needs, try something > > else," I wouldn't have a problem. Telling people patent falsehoods > > about how FreeBSD simply can't do what other OSes can, even in cases > > where FreeBSD can do them *better* than those other OSes, in an > > attempt to drive away anyone that might be looking at FreeBSD as a > > possible migration path, is rather suboptimal in my opinion, however. > >=20 > it would be suboptimal, if it were true. however, i really can't recall > anything of the sort, chad - ever. and certainly not in this thread. i > also don't understand why you think he'd be even motivated to do this. > of what possible interest could it be for him to drive others away from > freebsd? Oh, poppycock. Go back and read the very post to which I responded when I called him a troll. Notice how he says things that seem carefully calculated to make people think "Oh, this FreeBSD thing obviously sucks as a desktop OS." Take off the blinders. I have no idea why he'd be motivated to do that. I'm not him. All I know is what I've seen him do increasingly often over the last year. If you want me to speculate, the best I can offer is that maybe he thinks keeping the community from growing too much will help keep his advice more exceptional within a smaller niche, or perhaps he really does think that good desktop functionality and good server functionality cannot coexist (as he certainly seems to think) -- so driving away anyone that wants to make the move to FreeBSD as a desktop OS might be a good way to keep it improving as a server OS in his mind. In fact, he has as much as said so in the past, though not in so many words. >=20 > > You talk about how many people have gone where they can get what they > > want by migrating to FreeBSD, completely ignoring the fact that about > > half a dozen times in the last year (wild guess on frequency) he has > > done his level best to dissuade people from even finding out whether > > FreeBSD is where they can get what they want. > > > perhaps i haven't read those specific posts. if they really do exist > and are legitimate beyond your own personal vendetta (which it is > seeming to have become for some reason now), could you point me there? Nice -- I make a single comment directed at him about his trolling behavior, and you drag that out into this lengthy back-and-forth -- and somehow this means I have a vendetta. I guess, when you want to argue against someone, it helps if you can manufacture greater malevolence on their part than actually exists, if you want to "win" a debate through argumentum ad hominem attacks. In answer to your question, RTFML (i.e., Read The Fucking Mailing List). >=20 > > What kind of cruel, > > sadistic bastard tries so hard to prevent people from bettering their > > circumstances like that? > > > !!??!! > chad, have you recently tried examining the definition of the word > "troll" as it pertains to usage on an elist? http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. I think that better fits his consistent statements to the effect that FreeBSD is inferior to MS Windows as a general desktop OS on the FreeBSD mailing list than it does my statement that trying to drive people away from FreeBSD when it might be the best option for them is cruel and sadistic. I used hyperbole; he said things that seem calculated to draw flames. >=20 > if you don't agree with what he says, then just post your disagreement > with backup. he can do the same. may be you'll convince each other - > may be you won't. I've done so -- and he has ignored it. Several times. I'm done trying. I guess, when someone offers a supported argument, he simply ignores it -- and therefore doesn't have to admit to having been effectively disputed. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth C. Hoare: "Two ways of constructing software: (1) make it so simple that there are obviously no bugs, (2) make it so complicated that there are no obvious bugs. Making it simple is far more difficult." --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBwo4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVbmwCg95HWSXmRtDtQTmi/+QFTP2hh MkMAoLoq2CkORLrfRpQAKACPvaG2dQR/ =KFkP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 01:58:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B0D1065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:58:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-310.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-310.bluehost.com [67.222.54.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E6F5C8FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 11307 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 01:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 01:56:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=hfUNI2qNVPyt2V3VYYbPpYWjoN9gjnROB8N1Exgbdfm47HmAYC9HXJy9iM4Ei2IYvgzFtPs7G71RLNKogxyyClYTSw14xM0qWlk7OeerKy5GETV78Mxal46ASlsDJ0bz; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAxIY-0005hm-BQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:58:34 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:58:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:58:14 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NMuMz9nt05w80d4+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:58:35 -0000 --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > Can we stop trying to dissuade people > > from improving FreeBSD, and from advocating for improvements? > >=20 > i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. > i think there is just some disagreement as to what is considered an > improvement. So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be considered a worthy goal? >=20 > > Why does everybody seem > > so eager to assume that FreeBSD isn't, and shouldn't be, a good > > desktop system? > > > from what i see, that isn't the concern. the concern specifically seems > to be twofold: >=20 > 1. that freebsd not lose its integrity in an attempt to support > certain wishes of certain desktop users This is completely orthogonal to the question of whether people who express a desire for better support for desktop functionality should be excoriated publicly on this mailing list, and spanked for having the audacity to want to migrate from MS Windows to FreeBSD for use as a desktop OS. > 2. that desktop usage is possibly not a primary goal and therefore > should not detract from development in the other areas I agree that desktop usage should not take priority over more fundamental quality concerns in FreeBSD development. Telling people to stick it in their ear when they say it would be nice to have Flash support is not related to the ability to prioritize development goals, though. >=20 > i think it is always an excellent idea to "talk hardware vendors into > providing better specs so better drivers can be produced". this is > something the openbsd group also advocated strongly for and it can only > be good for all opensource (assuming it be done properly). however, i > think the concern your opposition has is that the wishes of the desktop > contigent not control the reins of development of an os we all find to > be excellent ... so far. Desire for better desktop functionality doesn't have to equate to wanting desktop-oriented development to "control the reins of development" for the whole system. Why the hell do you seem to think it does? Hell, I think the more server-oriented development philosophy of FreeBSD is actually a big part of the reason it works so well as a desktop OS! Maintaining a more server-oriented development philosophy in *no way* precludes giving some attention to strictly desktop-related functionality, though. Pretending the two are incompatible goals, as a few notable people here seem to want to do, is counterproductive in my opinion. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Alan Perlis: "LISP programmers know the value of everything and the cost of nothing." --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBxTYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVkJwCgz98mpopMdKkx/tCIa3RMke5c w4QAoPN9jwwp0FpXmN/pRL8KlVFdMdwy =s2/i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 02:00:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FE61065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail.networktest.com (mail.networktest.com [216.240.60.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415B78FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from dhcp130.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [216.240.60.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 682CD78C87 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:41:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4941C15C.5040801@networktest.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:41:48 -0800 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: updating php5-pcre X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:00:40 -0000 7.0-RELEASE-p6 / i386 Using portmaster to update the php5-pcre port returns this error: Cannot find config.m4. Make sure that you run '/usr/local/bin/phpize' in the top level source directory of the module I'm not a php guru. Where is the top-level source directory for this module? Or is there some other remedy for this error? thanks dn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 03:04:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE19106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8218FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd7ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.162]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 20:04:20 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=70qzlKQjAAAA:8 a=LXL8el5rAAAA:8 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=5N1yJoIn6OUFgWxjFcoA:9 a=NFNE1IvsysEG9pv6A6oA:7 a=ug7qx6Xhb2esYjx5XLmqsTbANbcA:4 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd7ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 20:04:19 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8291701E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:04:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:04:18 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211190418.360dffa5@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081212014654.GA32982@kokopelli.hydra> References: <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211132419.761ce14e@gom.home> <20081212001125.GC32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211164723.460f909a@gom.home> <20081212014654.GA32982@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:04:20 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:46:54 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > My point exactly -- you rush to his defense, making statements that > seem intended to skewer me for things he has done. I don't consider > that the epitome of fairness. > i'm not trying to skewer you. i only stated that i didn't think it was fair to call him a troll and stated my reasons as to why. > Each time, I have very > clearly stated my disagreement with his estimation of FreeBSD as > being thoroughly beaten by MS Windows in that area, with that URL > provided as evidence to back my claim. > the problem is that is your own posting (http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=335), not that it should automatically be disqualified for that reason. also, the focus seems to specifically on eye-candy: "open source systems are currently better at glitz and glamour than Microsoft and Apple systems". i don't disagree with you that opensource stuff is much better even if they don't have certain things. however, is this really a freebsd issue or a particular version of a desktop that is offered by a unix system. freebsd doesn't offer the most recent versions (and that's not necessarily a bad thing). > Each time, he has completely ignored what I said and the URL I > provided. He keeps coming back to make exactly the same sort of > claims he has before, utterly failing to addresses arguments against > his hand-waving statements without any logical or evidenciary > support. Nobody else has bothered to dispute what I've said, either. > while i would not use xp, somethings do work with less effort there than say ubuntu. there are certain programs like voice recognition that there isn't an equivalent for with opensource, yet. despite this, i certainly try to demonstrate to people why they should use opensource rather than windoze. > In absence of, at *minimum*, some half-assed attempt to make a case > against what I've provided, I will continue to regard his repetition > of disputed, unsupported statements to be dishonest or at least wildly > inaccurate. > i think his arguments go beyond the eye candy realm. he is not alone, you know. i recall reading a few years ago, the creator of the enlightenment wm saying that the desktop war was long lost to windoze. i don't know if that is correct these days, but it certainly seemed so then. > Would you prefer I just accept his statements, which fly in the face > of my own experience, even after he fails to answer supported > disputations of their content, just because it's him and you say he > has to be right about everything? > chad, you are fantasizing now. i never said he has to be right about everything. in fact, i know for certain that he is wrong whenever he disagrees with me. :D i don't think you need to accept his statements. i do think it would be better if we could drop the name calling and the anger, displayed in the earlier posts. if he fails "to answer supported disputations of their content", you can certainly ask him to deal with the matter at hand. > Even if his statement itself isn't dishonest, his unwillingness to > either back away from it or offer a counterargument when it is > effectively disputed is dishonest. He pretends there is no other > side to the matter, no other valid opinion, yet resolutely refuses to > acknowledge such "other side" arguments when they arise. > i find he does answer quite prolifically, but perhaps he may not have addressed your particular issues. > > and as far as 'sticking to the rules', he hasn't abused anyone from > > any of the posts i recall reading, so within the terms of conduct of > > an email list, i don't find your picturesque expression 'crush > > others beneath his heel' legitimate. > > I guess you haven't been reading very closely. > well there are other things to do in life, you know. but i did notice that you called him a troll and possibly a few other things, which i don't think is appropriate for this list which is the freebsd-questions list and not the freebsd-namecalling list. > Oh, poppycock. Go back and read the very post to which I responded > when I called him a troll. Notice how he says things that seem > carefully calculated to make people think "Oh, this FreeBSD thing > obviously sucks as a desktop OS." > i really didn't get that feeling. i think it was more that he doesn't feel desktop paraphernalia is a high priority. > If you want me to speculate, the best I can offer ... [snip] > well you may be right, but i think for now it should simply rest as speculation only. > Nice -- I make a single comment directed at him about his trolling > behavior, and you drag that out into this lengthy back-and-forth -- > and somehow this means I have a vendetta. > well words like "cruel", "sadistic" and "bastard" really compliment the ambiance that the initial "troll" conjured up. i think you may have said things more 'forcefully' than intended, which is why i thought it was sounding rather like a vendetta. > I guess, when you want to > argue against someone, it helps if you can manufacture greater > malevolence on their part than actually exists, if you want to "win" > a debate through argumentum ad hominem attacks. > i'm not interested in winning this discussion, chad. i do think there are more appropriate ways to behave on an elist that require we don't get into name calling and engaging in the very ad hominem attacks that you so rightly object to. > In answer to your question, RTFML (i.e., Read The Fucking Mailing > List). > nor is there really any need for what is commonly accepted as profanity by a significant number of the population. i don't really think you expect me to go through the mailing list to find instances of what you consider the "half a dozen times in the last year ... he has done his level best to dissuade people ...". on the other hand, if you are able to find these 6 references for me since you are sure they exist, i promise you that i will read them. > http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html > > To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable > responses or flames; or, the post itself. > > I think that better fits his consistent statements to the effect that > FreeBSD is inferior to MS Windows as a general desktop OS on the > FreeBSD mailing list than it does my statement that trying to drive > people away from FreeBSD when it might be the best option for them is > cruel and sadistic. I used hyperbole; he said things that seem > calculated to draw flames. > on the other hand, some of the words you have used (hyperbole notwithstanding), do ignite the fire - it is likely we wouldn't be engaged in this discussion if more appropriate words were used. > I'm done trying. I guess, when someone offers a supported argument, > he simply ignores it -- and therefore doesn't have to admit to having > been effectively disputed. > chad, i think it's great that you are such an opensource advocate. i think there is little doubt wojecieh is too. i happen to agree with him on this freebsd matter though and i haven't found your arguments convince me otherwise. nor have i found some of your comments about him either accurate or appropriate. perhaps, some others feel the other way around because of your posts. i think you and i have exchanged enough information on this topic, so if you are done trying, i won't continue this beyond this post since i think we are both possibly polluting the list at this stage. (if you do wish to continue discussing, you are welcome to email me privately.) -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 03:20:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E5D1065676 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from htr.technology@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF1A8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from htr.technology@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so588478ywe.13 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:20:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=1xkmP5AxOdbq9+Bkq1PKUOflT0GYBVsv4fYbnXlYaTU=; b=Jvp3QZIFwkO2FFAIpgG5129t/V2Guv1M95sOolTeB5c7/JzPLhTGx52RJNTw4iFior adw1EvHYQhhZQ5+mY0IXb8VPeUEiSqVaFWXtTdoFYUEJjEkNBB3+afoqP3Mi93yhpeUj Mn4IkzPzo7r607nke0QSW6AsHFX2Vn0e2QPQA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Zk6HKiDPjmzGVVXGPqQMN7/VmMEEckx2DWH/+IJHZ0rV+RQ6JWlokaxneTK2BcvrMO XIdbfI+f5K+QLZQDMgqa7d16GYcF2Ffh72lYd+yTDsy329lXxthx7Lg5AMXrz+CUBWbm KM58SW8z1CAW8yzuJPoaaWz6oiLFEA7bs9lb8= Received: by 10.65.141.5 with SMTP id t5mr2637508qbn.85.1229050549426; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.81.3 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:55:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:55:49 +0800 From: "hitech resources" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: NEED HELP FOR SUITABLE VERSION X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:20:32 -0000 *HI, i have PowerEdge(TM) 840, Quad Core Xeon Pro X3220 Processor, so what is the suitable version of FreeBSD i could use. I actually want to use it for server purposes. TQ -- * *Regards* Mohd Shamsi Hafiz Hi-Technology Resources Pekan Sungai Nibong 45400 Sekinchan Selangor, Malaysia From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 03:22:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED051065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:22:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sahil@tandon.net) Received: from aegis.hamla.org (aegis.hamla.org [206.251.255.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E188FC1A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:22:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sahil@tandon.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegis.hamla.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2223F5C79 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:23:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tandon.net; h= x-virus-scanned:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :mime-version:references:reply-to:message-id:subject:from:date: received; s=aegis; t=1229052216; bh=IoGlcb2fOe05Hs92upW5X9WhkGJL 2af2f7fcUPbRQ0Y=; b=iekt3Shfa54lpfq8hafSHZNAr/cvBwAcVcL9YQHDmA+y O1FnKQbO1Zgqxm+/ogSbN+vBGIsXxE+M4D5OISyT1/ka75jjRM1fPMf1D0rbuBT4 k2zQcHl3aNnZVSAFqu1P4tonWIQGH0D6AKiWCP1q/cHhMxGFy2PV20mi+3rupJk= Received: from aegis.hamla.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aegis.hamla.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with LMTP id cDgCCBjSqWgP for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:23:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:21:59 -0500 From: Sahil Tandon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212032159.GB4047@shepherd> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on aegis.hamla.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: NEED HELP FOR SUITABLE VERSION X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:22:00 -0000 hitech resources wrote: > *HI, i have PowerEdge(TM) 840, Quad Core Xeon Pro X3220 Processor, so what > is the suitable version of FreeBSD i could use. I actually want to use it > for server purposes. TQ 7 -- Sahil Tandon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 05:45:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0C8106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:45:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perlcat@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6B58FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:45:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perlcat@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([98.16.171.141]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081212054520.ZVAA22277.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:45:20 -0600 Received: from [192.168.2.100] (really [98.16.171.141]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081212054520.GRFF10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@[192.168.2.100]> for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:45:20 -0600 From: Tyson Boellstorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:45:20 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 a=43PHkXLD/7PtpfAUBFwBPQ==:17 a=Zs0GIAhGzcA_4QGQpccA:9 a=itFeAtqgiyHekwOM3REz6o4t6n0A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:45:21 -0000 On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 > > > > i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. > > i think there is just some disagreement as to what is considered an > > improvement. > > So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated > graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be considered > a worthy goal? > Not so much considered 'unworthy' as it is a balancing of limited resources. If I was a hardware programmer, had unlimited time, beer, and cheese dip, I'd add everything just because I could. It would be cool if there was a way to ensure that all items would be supported. However, even then, high performance video would lag. It is often proprietary, and many vendors simply won't publish their specs and need a reverse engineer to get any support at all. You can't force them to do it, and in the case of an open source OS, they may not want the world+dog to see their code for any number of reasons. nVidia is a rare exception, and even they are not going to put FreeBSD support at the top of their list. Unless you have a job at some video chipset maker, and are of a truly generous spirit, willing to risk your job in order to publish drivers, it really doesn't matter what priority the powers that be give to video acceleration -- we can't ask anyone to risk their job just so works. If the graphics devices themselves are sub-optimal, getting related systems up to a razor-sharp performance level is like putting nitro and a supercharger in your Lada. You'd have to put it in the back seat, because there's no room in the engine compartment for it. That is also why the high performance fax cards I work with only run on windows machines. (that's gotta be about the greatest number of oxymorons in one sentence -- my brain had two core dumps just parsing it...) Long story short, there's room for all types. Enjoy the diversity. Fix what you can. Avoid the problems you can. Use the appropriate tools for their best purposes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 05:50:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03E01065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F338FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd6ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.163]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 22:50:37 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=Nzo-9V032fP3JeI1lj4A:9 a=8Es2hyx59FXOoeH92rEA:7 a=Mh5aB4pfDyTyADzZtchGUNDl-iQA:4 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd6ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2008 22:50:37 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735891701E for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:50:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:50:36 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:50:38 -0000 On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:58:14 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated > graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be > considered a worthy goal? > no. access to hardware probably is a worthy goal, however, you need people to write the software and it's up to the freebsd team(s) to determine if 3d graphics is or is not worthy, isn't it? > This is completely orthogonal to the question of whether people who > express a desire for better support for desktop functionality should > be excoriated publicly on this mailing list, and spanked for having > the audacity to want to migrate from MS Windows to FreeBSD for use as > a desktop OS. > this is a pretty nice list and i haven't found much spanking going on here. > I agree that desktop usage should not take priority over more > fundamental quality concerns in FreeBSD development. Telling people > to stick it in their ear when they say it would be nice to have Flash > support is not related to the ability to prioritize development > goals, though. > i agree that telling people to "stick it in their ear" is not nice, but i don't recall anyone doing so. unfortunately, if i ask for evidence regarding this, you'll probably just tell me to RTFML as you did in your other reply. > Desire for better desktop functionality doesn't have to equate to > wanting desktop-oriented development to "control the reins of > development" for the whole system. Why the hell do you seem to think > it does? > i don't know why you think that's what i think. what i said was that was a concern. i certainly do know that in other areas (computer education for instance), user convenience has destroyed technical know-how (specifically, at some schools when the graphic interface emerged in the 80s, word-processing dominated programming and the some schools lost their thinkers). microsoft's catering to user desires has produced some rather inferior software too. may be it doesn't have to be that way, but often there is a price to be paid for 'convenience'. > Hell, I think the more server-oriented development > philosophy of FreeBSD is actually a big part of the reason it works > so well as a desktop OS! Maintaining a more server-oriented > development philosophy in *no way* precludes giving some attention to > strictly desktop-related functionality, though. > perhaps, but if you have a server-oriented philosophy, why would you give much attention to desktop-related functionality? i recall on the openbsd elist a couple of years ago people asking what wm is best. most of the answers went something like - the default twm (i think that's what it was) or fluxbox was "all i need". > Pretending the two are incompatible goals, as a few notable people > here seem to want to do, is counterproductive in my opinion. > not necessarily. one group is saying we have a great os, so it would be even better if it could accommodate some of the fancy stuff that the kdes and gnomes etc offer even more. the other group is saying why bother, because who really needs it and if they want it they can get it elsewhere. i think the concern of the latter group is by no means illegitimate, because time and resources aren't unlimited. on the otherhand, as i vaguely recall on a flash thread, someone said no one is stopping anyone from writing a better flash for freebsd if they really want to. i think it is ok to ask, but i don't think it is ok to expect. for me, freebsd is a gift and i don't have any expectations from those who put the effort and skill into creating any opensource initiative. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 07:48:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E704C1065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6F58FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1255068rvf.43 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:48:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=6n9bis3ajzkFk04I2MXcRzq7FLiUoiDB62YeX0nrsO8=; b=l1jpT/KewOhdt3QavePwCMFgI22TIdxipNuR/DYx4uNdxidSt8airoJ75ypctKObyY BgsZfcK1IqEzRzCmiQRMghRmL0lJ9MMBYkIwIr4i60Z+D7NRrNgqdsUjxk2lgGvtFbCT gW0EQ0wTXbFGCW2gNaYsFWUPsOOdJCtyNXhlw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=obZJ5pPkqAqWHI6NV7WqD0fyEh1hxYHgiJ3IAiGCRR3eTXRIznmiT+AYMhMkhnWrQd ceKt1gm4C6ATAbaH5MfYKCmoTGCPGR5azzpIUZAbKt1/c7IhZuMh1FNUW73fstgyFVrA eGgmzdbykcFWG5e5Q0+EcnYf8VaBsK9ZfmN5s= Received: by 10.143.43.7 with SMTP id v7mr1219647wfj.192.1229068107267; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.180.17 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:48:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:48:27 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: freebsd-questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:48:28 -0000 Hello list, I don't know if the Subject says what i really want to achieve but i do hope that i will make myself understood. I work for a school and i want to install in 2 labs on very low performance computers (1 Ghz CPU, 126 Mb RAM) some linux distro (zen walk). I *need* to install linux because there are some programs that need to run on those stations and guess what, they only work on linux. There are different students that use those computers and they change frequently. So i thought to make a server, using FreeBSD (of course), that has a database of users so the linux machines don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and such. I don't really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i achieve this are welcomed. thank you and a great day, v From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 08:45:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CB31065673 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:45:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.vub.ac.be (mxin.vub.ac.be [134.184.129.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9B28FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:45:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlUBAGmvQUmkD30E/2dsb2JhbAAIzyKCew Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.vub.ac.be with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 09:45:46 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Bernt Hansson In-Reply-To: <4941A0DD.7060803@bah.homeip.net> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <4941A0DD.7060803@bah.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:46:17 +0100 Message-Id: <1229071577.2753.3.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:45:47 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 00:23 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Julien Cigar said the following on 2008-12-11 14:40: > > - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... is > > just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports (but > > it's being resolved I think). > > Of course you can use -j to build ports. > > Just cd to/your/port make -j8 install (clean) > With portupgrade you use -m -j8 > I'm not sure about this, as there is just a project in titled "Allowing for parallel builds in the FreeBSD Ports" on http://www.freebsd.org/projects/summerofcode-2008.html ... ? Every time I tried to build a port with -j it failed .. -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be UniversitĂ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrĂ©e ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 09:08:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB33106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01958FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from [84.92.153.232] (helo=curlew.milibyte.co.uk) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LB40B-0000aA-NH; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:08:04 +0000 Received: by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LB40B-0000mD-9H; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:08:03 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:08:02 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4941C15C.5040801@networktest.com> In-Reply-To: <4941C15C.5040801@networktest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812120908.03153.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Plusnet-Relay: 6209423c2ea45c6e9607f699ca316158 Cc: David Newman Subject: Re: updating php5-pcre X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:08:08 -0000 On Friday 12 December 2008, David Newman wrote: > 7.0-RELEASE-p6 / i386 > > Using portmaster to update the php5-pcre port returns this error: > > Cannot find config.m4. > Make sure that you run '/usr/local/bin/phpize' in the top level > source directory of the module > > I'm not a php guru. Where is the top-level source directory for this > module? Or is there some other remedy for this error? See /usr/ports/UPDATING: "20081207: AFFECTS: users of lang/php5 AUTHOR: pav@FreeBSD.org As of php 5.2.7, pcre extension is distributed with the core php5 package, and not as a standalone module anymore." -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 09:08:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFD41065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AD28FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so1917607ewy.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:08:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CVLDvpVvrWLhoMlkRSsib44LfQyHDL1fjdiTDo1pBYA=; b=BXdx94XZS45+m224FqvL1r9eRDg5Y9RitYoQxpgn2D+bUaLWxMTdPVow8pEURTegsr FGXdaAf3+Lxez4aeAXaxk0VUMXffTYEWcWNJbUZ7HvdhlVZ2ZAg0uYj8ft8GtJNUDKC2 QaSFMRxKmS/JT2nOhsL5sz7rRXJAMpfXjlz2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oe82e05oWfgaVwBMej+uFF1wP62/Nx0ox+tdiJWNsEDBVXQVkmW1sfaIvjkka5xVnq ZsjcrOPzvCnnHcOOY6DCK7CwP4xSRXgGghBRpBROvyQ9JN9F2cQJrEsDgMnwS2Pnx36m sH5nbJg2Ai1NjKfKGfSSy3kh8jF0pWK9e8aHw= Received: by 10.210.58.13 with SMTP id g13mr3825236eba.61.1229072914166; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from theone.dyndns.org (adsluser766.att.sch.gr [81.186.20.8]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm338363eyk.4.2008.12.12.01.08.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:08:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:08:21 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valentin Bud References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:08:36 -0000 Valentin Bud wrote: > Hello list, > > I don't know if the Subject says what i really want to achieve but i do > hope that i will make myself understood. > > I work for a school and i want to install in 2 labs on very low performance > computers (1 Ghz CPU, 126 Mb RAM) some linux distro (zen walk). I *need* > to install linux because there are some programs that need to run on those > stations and guess what, they only work on linux. > > There are different students that use those computers and they change > frequently. So i thought > to make a server, using FreeBSD (of course), that has a database of users so > the linux machines > don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and > such. I don't > really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i > achieve this > are welcomed. > > thank you and a great day, > v > What you are looking for is called NIS: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nis.html However note it is not (unfortunately) interoperable between FreeBSD and Linux, although there is a setting (UNSECURE=true in /var/yp/Makefile of the NIS server) that works around this, albeit it lowers security. There are other solutions too (LDAP?) but NIS would be the easiest to setup. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 09:41:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC711065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:41:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from orders@fixer.com) Received: from fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net (fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253C68FC19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from orders@fixer.com) Received: from dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.134]) by fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1LB3ri-0005RZ-Aq for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:59:18 -0500 Received: from dialup-4.225.211.27.dial1.denver1.level3.net ([4.225.211.27]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1LB3rW-0003pL-00 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:59:13 -0700 From: fixer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20061027 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: USB Flash Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:41:22 -0000 FreeBSD localhost 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 localhost# I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD does, I need instructions on "how-to-use". Thanks in advance for anyone who can help. Bruce From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 10:18:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28390106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:18:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16588FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:18:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LB56C-0006zS-Ri for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:18:21 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:18:20 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:18:20 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:18:15 +0100 Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigECFF36E3903BBE1A8E53FEFF" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:18:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigECFF36E3903BBE1A8E53FEFF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials = and >> such. I don't >> really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i= >> achieve this >> are welcomed. >> >> thank you and a great day, >> v >> =20 >=20 > What you are looking for is called NIS: >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nis.h= tml >=20 > However note it is not (unfortunately) interoperable between FreeBSD an= d > Linux, although there is a setting (UNSECURE=3Dtrue in /var/yp/Makefile= of > the NIS server) that works around this, albeit it lowers security. >=20 > There are other solutions too (LDAP?) but NIS would be the easiest to > setup. I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first time). One alternative to those is samba - there is pam_smb in the ports, but there's no nss_smb but that's somewhat weird to use in a unix-like environment :) --------------enigECFF36E3903BBE1A8E53FEFF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJQjpnldnAQVacBcgRAhy8AKC0/B8WcK33PDLbfGxV/LvZuLxo5gCeMmqE MWrJUTpTO1fInRUaN/ILFfE= =5EyJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigECFF36E3903BBE1A8E53FEFF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 10:25:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAED106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37AA8FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LB5Ch-0007Ek-3a for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:25:03 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:25:03 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:25:03 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:22:49 +0100 Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigAD748879C56880FA02C73071" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:25:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigAD748879C56880FA02C73071 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ivan Voras wrote: > Manolis Kiagias wrote: >=20 >>> don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials= and >>> such. I don't >>> really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can = i >>> achieve this >>> are welcomed. >>> >>> thank you and a great day, >>> v >>> =20 >> What you are looking for is called NIS: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nis.= html >> >> However note it is not (unfortunately) interoperable between FreeBSD a= nd >> Linux, although there is a setting (UNSECURE=3Dtrue in /var/yp/Makefil= e of >> the NIS server) that works around this, albeit it lowers security. >> >> There are other solutions too (LDAP?) but NIS would be the easiest to >> setup. >=20 > I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in > this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first= > time). >=20 > One alternative to those is samba - there is pam_smb in the ports, but > there's no nss_smb but that's somewhat weird to use in a unix-like > environment :) I just found about http://pam-mysql.sourceforge.net/ In ports as security/pam-mysql and the NSS in net/libnss-mysql . I didn't try it. --------------enigAD748879C56880FA02C73071 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJQjt5ldnAQVacBcgRAggSAJ0Wfz+0sVQxqDNLetNnbDVahUI9VQCcDh5a jRpGbFFRD66okyDq5x5lF2M= =1sHD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigAD748879C56880FA02C73071-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 10:44:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA251065679 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:44:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3F58FC1A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCAiE4C003626; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:44:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCAiDHg003623; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:44:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:44:13 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: fixer In-Reply-To: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> Message-ID: <20081212114351.B3622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB Flash Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:44:30 -0000 > I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. > I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD does, > I need instructions on "how-to-use". Thanks in advance for anyone who can as every other disk and disk like device plug mount use unmount unlug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 11:04:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3B8106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:04:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2AC8FC2C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:04:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCB4M54003691; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:04:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCB4LSq003688; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:04:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:04:21 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20081211190418.360dffa5@gom.home> Message-ID: <20081212120348.P3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211132419.761ce14e@gom.home> <20081212001125.GC32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211164723.460f909a@gom.home> <20081212014654.GA32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211190418.360dffa5@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:04:30 -0000 > i don't disagree with you that opensource stuff is much better even if > they don't have certain things. however, is this really a freebsd issue there are excellent opensource software and there are crappy opensource bloatware. just being opensource doesn't mean anything From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 11:05:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4E31065676 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:05:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBD18FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:05:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCB5LXw003708; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:05:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCB5Ktk003705; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:05:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:05:20 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:05:36 -0000 > > So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated > graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be considered > a worthy goal? full support of open hardware standards is an requirement. support for closed hardware standards isn't important. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 11:06:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BA91065690; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326798FC2D; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCB6A1M003723; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:06:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCB6Ama003720; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:06:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:06:10 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:06:16 -0000 > I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in > this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is "right" solution? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 11:36:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FBA1065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AD48FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so196196eyi.7 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:36:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dnLKKt2jrNGm/pnHxDN9k2tqq13RRowSAHJf6Vl8cag=; b=jxCUuCttRb7exJbAO8CHkiJeuF89r/eiMRvigHAvJ5dDzM/IynEvZTdwUa38/UpYGE Ba4Cclkntfd5oe0RjCVHgkQSZYaylC39cgdfDN5+KHEQHfl0eodPUER3dikYq5AUK45n 8xjlsw52bFlExLJFLDcjCPG2t2tq8GJYV6u6k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WnNPwdMuL2HkqG0fVux4mmDMAhx2FfDInOTEdFNkR/OoK/oHSqPHm1sc4KFFIxY7/+ DsVX+DfYkQJx6EkRbndRikNg/4eupb4peTRn7jfsn1yOhgbH75bxOTmP6vgwaDruTXKA UJJA2zDDsTrsjk3jnSR2dtRp2zIl/h02JsAwk= Received: by 10.210.88.7 with SMTP id l7mr1025991ebb.137.1229080326642; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:12:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from theone.dyndns.org (adsluser766.att.sch.gr [81.186.20.8]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm358344eyj.55.2008.12.12.03.11.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:12:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494246DE.1070203@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:11:26 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fixer References: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> In-Reply-To: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: USB Flash Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:36:11 -0000 fixer wrote: > FreeBSD localhost 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 > 11:05:30 UTC 2007 > root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 > localhost# > > > I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. > I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD does, > I need instructions on "how-to-use". Thanks in advance for anyone who > can help. > > Bruce Have a look at these: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html Generally speaking, using an ms-dos (fat/fat32) formatted flash drive is as simple as this: - plug - get device name (probably da0) with dmesg |tail - mount as root in /mnt: mount -t msdofs /dev/da0s1 /mnt - Copy / move files etc - umount /mnt - unplug If you read the handbook section, you will also be able to setup your system for user mounting, so you won't have to mount as root. Another useful piece of info is this: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html With these instructions you can configure automounting in GUIs like Gnome (and XFCE and possibly others, as long as HAL is used) Bear in mind that no matter how you mounted the device, you will have to unmount it before physically removing it, otherwise you are in for a nasty surprise... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 11:39:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FF91065673; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:39:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@neu.net) Received: from neu.net (neu.net [199.237.202.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7082E8FC16; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:39:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@neu.net) Received: from neu.net (neu.net [199.237.202.236]) by neu.net (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mBCBT5mm027091; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:29:08 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:29:05 +0000 (GMT) From: AN To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8748/Fri Dec 12 05:15:42 2008 on neu.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: iwi config help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:39:57 -0000 I'm trying to configure a wireless adapter on an IBM Thinkpad R51, and need some help. I followed the iwi man page, but the card is not recognized. I have the following in /boot/loader.conf: cat /boot/loader.conf if_iwi_load="YES" wlan_load="YES" firmware_load="YES" loader_logo=beastie snd_ich_load="YES" kldstat shows: Id Refs Address Size Name 1 18 0xc0400000 7c7990 kernel 2 1 0xc0bc8000 e6e4 if_iwi.ko 3 2 0xc0bd7000 2f9c firmware.ko 4 1 0xc0bda000 6994 snd_ich.ko 5 2 0xc0be1000 239e8 sound.ko 6 1 0xc0c05000 5c838 acpi.ko 7 1 0xc5547000 19000 linux.ko 8 1 0xc5706000 1e000 radeon.ko 9 1 0xc5724000 e000 drm.ko pkg_info | grep iwi iwi-firmware-kmod-3.0_3 Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 Firmware Kernel Module dmesg |grep iwi Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/if_iwi.ko" at 0xc0c63188. dmesg |grep firmware Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/firmware.ko" at 0xc0c63234. pciconf -lv agp0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x05291014 chip=0x33408086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82855PM Processor to I/O Controller' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pcib1@pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x33418086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82855PM Processor to AGP Controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI uhci0@pci0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c28086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci1@pci0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c48086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci2@pci0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c78086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x052e1014 chip=0x24cd8086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pcib2@pci0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x24488086 rev=0x81 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801BAM/CAM/DBM (ICH2-M/3-M/4-M) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI isab0@pci0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x24cc8086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atapci0@pci0:31:1: class=0x01018a card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24ca8086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DBM (ICH4-M) UltraATA/100 EIDE Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA none0@pci0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c38086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus pcm0@pci0:31:5: class=0x040100 card=0x05541014 chip=0x24c58086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = audio none1@pci0:31:6: class=0x070300 card=0x05591014 chip=0x24c68086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller' class = simple comms subclass = generic modem drm0@pci1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x05311014 chip=0x4c661002 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ATI Technologies Inc' device = 'ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 (Microsoft Corporation - Radeon Mobility M9' class = display subclass = VGA cbb0@pci2:0:0: class=0x060700 card=0x05521014 chip=0xac46104c rev=0x01 hdr=0x02 vendor = 'Texas Instruments (TI)' device = 'PCI4520 PC Card CardBus Controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-CardBus fwohci0@pci2:0:2: class=0x0c0010 card=0x05531014 chip=0x802a104c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Texas Instruments (TI)' class = serial bus subclass = FireWire em0@pci2:1:0: class=0x020000 card=0x05491014 chip=0x101e8086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile)' class = network subclass = ethernet ifconfig does not show the interface Any help to get this configured would be appreciated. TIA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 12:28:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DBD1065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DAE8FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:28:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so3215562bwz.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:28:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=1y8VLPMRs3rEpGGkDK6LQFe0+dCuKLlZXvww4l3ifhU=; b=CkQQbw1dxsrIDGnJgH/kA3I3Ciwqt7jA4CkUrRvFDJ37kthu8HZX3eIl6rwK1j0Oo0 eirS8bIxtyDk2YfNlnI/3l/+TrblaJrwCqv+/9dwJC9rO+4G1X+R4xK4IzpGoApf+EIi UX0X2TKpzjr4ws3T7ZGwj9VRFlZBWkMy498ig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=TXqlZxUXfTw6G8cs+CsrmuDOhh9hZhNbSm3IPCv+4jJrwxbK8u8xmOTsRVm5TmvxhH AR12k1IZnj5OtP5vIWcOxPnu8LfJQJnPGrclJd7bEuh58eJNPi2H4en3CEGKXZ1RWXEA prwYhioPTygTmWrkt8UasddOu605FJJzE6KPg= Received: by 10.181.143.6 with SMTP id v6mr1279208bkn.2.1229084784886; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.238.15 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:26:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:26:24 +0100 From: "Ivan Voras" Sender: ivoras@gmail.com To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1df60081b28025c4 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:28:08 -0000 2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar : >> I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in >> this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first > > why it is "right" solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. Besides, it scales well and has a large number of supporting utilities. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 12:37:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B973B1065676 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F34B8FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so242885nfh.33 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:37:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ErcbijDtEZMvQijMD+rEGnqOFKNxn2XWWu0YYGtjfsc=; b=xgzMT7tj4aAH4m8l1QQS2LycJcaiKLxaFLkRaT99s5Yajf7V0pKQz1mYdksRRBXiFG 8fMCumTklmOsUe4oj3E5j8Mp1HE2Dfki7TYWNhRxKZsLZy65NpO/itXXOcGRWPr4W0gJ bsKlNSQz8FmcIVnEe86VQcWKgKX5r/c2axa6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=pxLP1lDpRhk+2pKfeP3qB5kYl3ErKwpTVQJoncTGbA3C5nPJJG2GB1g/yririRPpfH l59AFYv6b440ZJTYWsrDqbq2r5IrYOSml37GJBRKH1RKAIwNI8S8j6unA+jepreYdfro ZXX3n+t+11Q3Xb1LRp4q6tgzrFi9KfUPDdgD0= Received: by 10.210.87.19 with SMTP id k19mr743549ebb.51.1229085436669; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.59.2 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:37:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812120437m732f7433od324109b3c9505aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:37:16 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Ivan Voras" In-Reply-To: <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:37:18 -0000 Hello list, Thank you everyone for your input. I now know what to look for. Gave it a read at NIS in the handbook but as you guys said it's FBSD only so because of the interoperability i think i will go with LDAP. I'll just have to check if (i suppose it does) that particular linux distro "is ok" with using LDAP. thanks once again and a great day, v On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Ivan Voras wrote: > 2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar : > >> I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in > >> this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first > > > > why it is "right" solution? > > Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. > Besides, it scales well and has a large number of supporting > utilities. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 12:38:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A751065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:38:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abedini.ericsson@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AE28FC1C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abedini.ericsson@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so2015021ewy.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:38:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole :thread-index; bh=dz6kQUXR3a3iKo93lT9ENiOSe1p5TMTRbWbqFbmAJz0=; b=bb1Tv3hPNEfoOys540RrCjneloz0zAdR6GicthCKWgRRhslYcOBL3eb7tOBPIA5bK3 hPGLm6jslEsk+ujT13nijZV8k1L5c2iZ8AxperWTDeOwWloVH7QEl/Md84p4YDiiRyXy 8UAfiN2kIBWhPDWMr/LEh8wfov0CrwEC6Fpf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :x-mimeole:thread-index; b=Uug7yP9hfCJnVlMMkbizujvT3NIhJYgOKF+PLZuldToEv7fDyIelb72JUET6dBfZi6 /idKZbuXGX4+5E+jACOkFEuktJJLDzHMRqEwsWw/pqUZwADYLXiUJfeth1HiXV4daqMi gp8R0wlv0M+N8GcBPYktLCTLd3iYsKWJ9LDVk= Received: by 10.210.87.19 with SMTP id k19mr721882ebb.64.1229084239118; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from abedini ([92.50.2.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4sm4202813nfi.59.2008.12.12.04.17.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:17:17 -0800 (PST) From: "abedini" To: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:47:00 +0330 Message-ID: <001501c95c53$933d0320$3a02325c@abedini> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AclcU4ic0ILjmfYzQJWLp30RU4ce0A== X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:52:11 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:38:36 -0000 Hi all dear I have laptop acer 4220 and I need to install FreeBSD. This laptop have sata HDD how can install FreeBSD in this system. Mohammad Abedini Site Acquisition Supervisor ( AHV ) Tel : 06113387881 06113921249 Mobile :09179397499 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 12:53:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1088106567E for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:53:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.vub.ac.be (mxin.vub.ac.be [134.184.129.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAD48FC20 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlUBAJ/nQUmkD30E/2dsb2JhbAAIzk+Cew Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.vub.ac.be with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 13:53:35 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:54:04 +0100 Message-Id: <1229086444.2753.23.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:53:36 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 13:26 +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > 2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar : > >> I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in > >> this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first > > > > why it is "right" solution? > > Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. > Besides, it scales well and has a large number of supporting > utilities. Off-topic, but do you know any good tool other than gq/phpldapadmin to manage/browse/... an LDAP server ? At the moment I've my own set of LDIF files that I use with ldap[add|delete|modify], but it's not very "flexible" .. A ncurses tool would be perfect. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be UniversitĂ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrĂ©e ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 12:56:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76BD106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4348FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so1400656fkk.11 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:56:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+TekCwIGeHIP8i7vmLfh/CxjJlLyH8KHIZYE2ionqTw=; b=IeIUjr4Z1gRScVm4enJnvOxiRKA3cUM5oF5wqA1dXSe2cSOAWbjLxq6f4Nnp/OQhZa aSDk+7v2G1FRfc7u+mjoMeZpLrhB/DdpOs1PHoo5qgziNWP0Qh5CpyCoabEHr+tR/j98 DssX7CIMHsT28czDwS2OBLs9vUTslfTEm73tU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=AvZlTSe2tM3YcUICARWa6rVSbonpWYUReqa6GhV60NjxoS/1U9RjzvEphCjC9Q8HJn 54ivI0YZWfGCG45IqwZw6HVaCAt6MvbxvSx007ZOpTx3qAJ5rvPMxv6Lj7FhA+8c1BXg 51u0432wu436FwXwlqmlz6MC8ojcYqz1mXUfk= Received: by 10.223.116.10 with SMTP id k10mr4093139faq.100.1229085188458; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.206 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:33:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <991123400812120433r51a01226k90bc6e36b2ec0a19@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:33:08 +0300 From: "Odhiambo Washington" To: "Manolis Kiagias" In-Reply-To: <494246DE.1070203@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> <494246DE.1070203@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: fixer , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB Flash Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:56:09 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > fixer wrote: > >> FreeBSD localhost 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 >> UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 >> localhost# >> >> >> I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. >> I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD does, >> I need instructions on "how-to-use". Thanks in advance for anyone who can >> help. >> >> Bruce >> > > Have a look at these: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html > > Generally speaking, using an ms-dos (fat/fat32) formatted flash drive is as > simple as this: > > - plug > - get device name (probably da0) with dmesg |tail > - mount as root in /mnt: mount -t msdofs /dev/da0s1 /mnt > - Copy / move files etc > - umount /mnt > - unplug > > If you read the handbook section, you will also be able to setup your > system for user mounting, so you won't have to mount as root. > Another useful piece of info is this: > > http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html > > With these instructions you can configure automounting in GUIs like Gnome > (and XFCE and possibly others, as long as HAL is used) > Bear in mind that no matter how you mounted the device, you will have to > unmount it before physically removing it, otherwise you are in for a nasty > surprise... Just to add .... beastie-6# less /usr/ports/sysutils/automounter/pkg-descr A script to dynamically configure amd and populate /media with appropriate links, when USB mass storage devices appear. It relies on geom labels, hence it only works for properly labeled devices. It also allows to automatically attach geli encrypted devices and images with keys polled from file systems it makes mountable. WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bsdadminscripts/ -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, unlike our MPs!" -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 12:59:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7251065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:59:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA628FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:59:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so2024251ewy.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:59:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=1u0QVRurgj1C10QxuAiDdbFrxDWbwslJsvS8S1D5+wM=; b=g3+8OKZEa5IIj/dcTri2WkUGfOV3TYWDwFnll1q9nzn7ZNtJVYouA6uBm88rjA22Bh 1MoJUQ+G6Z3EzBFjgkaVVItoHCBk4GkbhgUg70+Xr6vkZ1wIWqn8X6AoRcTrAGs3r+gH QdgwxoXhHiqvt/fWDacGJ/1rvIM2xGjWOdCBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=jhYRQdJI+fGg569D5txU0i6KSKLqRdQpKbwZCrgnUzfxmvQe2Uen3aRGsqEReJwYED hek6pLtPCTiKpw0RhSfmCBysruGYwmIKyZLX1Q5E4jjTz8L7jAnw21lcrGkIqBtOj7Zb zufPtSBDyANB7+fAxaHYFqZYGIpKiB6igoPRQ= Received: by 10.210.66.13 with SMTP id o13mr767791eba.85.1229086763604; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.59.2 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:59:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812120459x5d9b5c00j3134d305db9e4a0b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:59:23 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: abedini In-Reply-To: <001501c95c53$933d0320$3a02325c@abedini> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001501c95c53$933d0320$3a02325c@abedini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:59:25 -0000 Hello Mr. Abedini and all the others by that matter, I don't want to be rude but do you remember the time when we used to send letters. Any of those letter had a Subject. E-mail communications are based on those letters (the concept) and they do have a Subject line on which you should fill a small amount of information about what you intend to get help with. my 7 cents and a great day, v On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:17 PM, abedini wrote: > Hi all dear > > I have laptop acer 4220 and I need to install FreeBSD. > > This laptop have sata HDD how can install FreeBSD in this system. > > > > Mohammad Abedini > Site Acquisition Supervisor ( AHV ) > Tel : 06113387881 > 06113921249 > Mobile :09179397499 > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:03:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696271065678 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE568FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from bb.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.89]) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1LB7fc-0008YG-4h; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:03:04 +0300 To: Julien Cigar References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <1229086444.2753.23.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:03:03 +0300 In-Reply-To: <1229086444.2753.23.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> (Julien Cigar's message of "Fri\, 12 Dec 2008 13\:54\:04 +0100") Message-ID: <71332296@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:03:06 -0000 Julien Cigar writes: > Off-topic, but do you know any good tool other than gq/phpldapadmin to > manage/browse/... an LDAP server ? At the moment I've my own set of LDIF > files that I use with ldap[add|delete|modify], but it's not very > "flexible" .. > A ncurses tool would be perfect. You may try www/web2ldap. It's not curses though. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:03:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC3C106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84348FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1357127rvf.43 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:03:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HfZDCgzPivK4rYuAhOL1mDj/y+dCKccpSSlWaF9b4vc=; b=cZy2x0DokaBDFPgyRDvw9UD7W0ux+RuXx/VgY2a2wLR3ajxKB8t7WwEVlQsa1xAekt 7Hp8n/LP3kZCww4nT2NUUOCJKeg+b6UqhXMOsKD414nWtNOBhJVzA2XI5GgMRa0IKPPk jmF+muTVKwlGj7OBB5Z48beNk3QtODtNZ2mCs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=mFscqVDcZCvDZ7GqbLWnH5Jf7CE+aFpbNU+357yRoMu0Xs3nVgQeuEZcB1i/t3AiM8 BCB4p0N5iJ5qk3zsaljpKdJaTmR/Ys1Cq8i1wjVPrWH0K+t38U7rlImHFTPbafVA+Lt7 n8QlpmP+QYeFN/E+tbJSKyQFFa/KSZQIUvrfA= Received: by 10.141.53.18 with SMTP id f18mr1899427rvk.188.1229087011303; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.170.14 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:03:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5635aa0d0812120503s57005c02if94d75ee1d523ced@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:03:31 +0700 From: "Outback Dingo" To: "Julien Cigar" In-Reply-To: <1229086444.2753.23.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <1229086444.2753.23.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:03:32 -0000 look at gosa its a fairly well rounded ldap administration suite, probably more then you might need, but it covers alot of the services https://oss.gonicus.de/labs/gosa/ or potentially even Zivios might fit your needs http://www.zivios.org/ On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Julien Cigar wrote: > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 13:26 +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: > > 2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar : > > >> I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in > > >> this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the > first > > > > > > why it is "right" solution? > > > > Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. > > Besides, it scales well and has a large number of supporting > > utilities. > > Off-topic, but do you know any good tool other than gq/phpldapadmin to > manage/browse/... an LDAP server ? At the moment I've my own set of LDIF > files that I use with ldap[add|delete|modify], but it's not very > "flexible" .. > A ncurses tool would be perfect. > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- > Julien Cigar > Belgian Biodiversity Platform > http://www.biodiversity.be > Universit=E9 Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) > Campus de la Plaine CP 257 > B=E2timent NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) > Boulevard du Triomphe, entr=E9e ULB 2 > B-1050 Bruxelles > Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be > @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 > Tel : 02 650 57 52 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:10:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550051065678 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Received: from inga.augusta.de (inga.augusta.de [77.90.142.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E8F8FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Received: from inga.augusta.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inga.augusta.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mBCDACU5016391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:10:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by inga.augusta.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with UUCP id mBCDACd9016390 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:10:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Received: from etustar.starbox.augusta.de (etustar.starbox.augusta.de [192.168.71.7]) by gatekeeper.starbox.augusta.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBCD3Lrl039498 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:03:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Message-ID: <49426114.50504@ze.tum.de> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:03:16 +0100 From: Gerhard Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040500060203010905000406" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.10 (inga.augusta.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:10:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: vinum raid degraded X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:10:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040500060203010905000406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I'm running a gvinum raid array with 4x80G drives. This raid is running for 4 Years now. Today i found out that the status in degraded. All drives are up but on subdisk is stale. How can get the raid out of degraded mode. I have attached the output of gvinum l Greeting Estartu -- ------------------------------------------------- Gerhard Schmidt | E-Mail: schmidt@ze.tum.de TU-München | WWW & Online Services | Tel: 089/289-25270 | Fax: 089/289-25257 | PGP-Publickey auf Anfrage --------------040500060203010905000406 Content-Type: text/plain; name="vinum_status" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="vinum_status" 4 drives: D vinumdrive3 State: up /dev/ad7 A: 0/78533 MB (0%) D vinumdrive2 State: up /dev/ad6 A: 0/78533 MB (0%) D vinumdrive1 State: up /dev/ad5s1 A: 0/78533 MB (0%) D vinumdrive0 State: up /dev/ad4 A: 0/78533 MB (0%) 1 volume: V daten State: up Plexes: 1 Size: 230 GB 1 plex: P daten.p0 R5 State: degraded Subdisks: 4 Size: 230 GB 4 subdisks: S daten.p0.s3 State: up D: vinumdrive3 Size: 76 GB S daten.p0.s2 State: up D: vinumdrive2 Size: 76 GB S daten.p0.s1 State: stale D: vinumdrive1 Size: 76 GB S daten.p0.s0 State: up D: vinumdrive0 Size: 76 GB --------------040500060203010905000406-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:12:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10545106564A; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95A58FC19; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCDCj39004036; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:12:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCDCjUQ004033; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:12:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:12:45 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:12:56 -0000 >>> this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first >> >> why it is "right" solution? > > Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not "right" but interoperable. if i do have only unix systems in LAN, NIS is much better easier and faster. for windows-only LAN with unix server, simply using samba is OK. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:15:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCA21065673 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B018FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:15:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7D6FFEBC09; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:15:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:15:46 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: "abedini" Message-Id: <20081212081546.e77656d6.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <001501c95c53$933d0320$3a02325c@abedini> References: <001501c95c53$933d0320$3a02325c@abedini> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: installation on Acer 4220 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:15:49 -0000 In response to "abedini" : > Hi all dear > > I have laptop acer 4220 and I need to install FreeBSD. > > This laptop have sata HDD how can install FreeBSD in this system. Are you having difficulty? What have you tried. Quite honestly, I don't understand the question. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:27:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D798B1065715; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391208FC20; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so245672nfh.33 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:27:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=oilfo8NbR7Z/yxzQp9X0UBPeCPYLkUmuKRjTju+2mXg=; b=Nfz0yuoKnzrlyLm+RRwP+Y348IFmkSDYGgWvhzM8P8OGbC583Z4N1kaGE1v+sVhel+ ynk8pCCUKSFU0mbz1spJXSMwGY0VuCcM+dbJ37D973ikL5Gj/hbT1xDzrQuUkvWoyrfo alBW2zrxioN2N3W5y7rX0S84906DaWcK6VEz8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kH/FV0tteqzhsZMac9CKgu3cNfw3mknMiKMPcje9VHZkyxe5JPwWF/Ff4gzaKTz7+b TU7CfTxSpGPolR6GUwj6uTMVBbY+XHLGAEAuQFyi3aBU49jOuyfyBxOe5iLViknCTToS xn2xK165+AhgPVUvYT/0ooVlMPqZrfAUJ1fK0= Received: by 10.210.66.13 with SMTP id o13mr798658eba.172.1229088444670; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.59.2 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:27:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:27:24 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:27:27 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first >>>> >>> >>> why it is "right" solution? >>> >> >> Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. >> > > so not "right" but interoperable. if i do have only unix systems in LAN, > NIS is much better easier and faster. If you only have UNIX systems in LAN. But in my case i have Linux + FreeBSD (server). From the handbook NIS only works between FBSDs. Am i missing something? thank you, v > > > for windows-only LAN with unix server, simply using samba is OK. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:39:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A90D106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:39:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85C68FC1A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:39:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so644013yxb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:39:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=Q85B17Tix2w4Dv3DuV0SYshxNVIXT9aS+pL0ekuxdTA=; b=Nna5CZgU8ykfeJZzwFWnJhSoQ8BantGdA8LhGcF1TOuHCkDrTXP2yDQE7WGYZhi/3R 51HYEOLUvtpkUPmrd3on7mLgWjfRSPlue99UCr6wzLOTtOZVisRWwWqljzj9Us1Cwrps gA4rf6KamFGWgy/zLOr96PdNuPzjxH1WXu9lQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=MNGR9xkYijicXo5og+DsfagFwbUgRwJBiMx9osb2lLqPRNK2Qo5wljK8mPs5WBSCch ZCDDKdPqZzRIHoOMBgPlX3+fYskZ8ntTkOCROuKeQyhvupKx05OO70gZ8E+5HBw6JGHR qBX67LkIltNpcfIRxGMmACMKm8onkh+wG4dgg= Received: by 10.65.156.17 with SMTP id i17mr3040754qbo.98.1229089151953; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s35sm4890536qbs.18.2008.12.12.05.39.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:39:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:38:17 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c95c5e$e4263440$ac729cc0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclcXuNwavGJBKX0QOOz4CEW2AxDvg== Content-Language: en-ca Subject: Double Posts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:39:13 -0000 Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message posted to the group? It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am aware of) I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:42:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D871065673 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D17E8FC29 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LB8IA-0005yw-Cb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:42:54 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:42:54 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:42:54 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:42:41 +0100 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <1229086444.2753.23.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3C660CC9C967736CE0A6AFA7" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: <1229086444.2753.23.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:42:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3C660CC9C967736CE0A6AFA7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Julien Cigar wrote: > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 13:26 +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: >> 2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar : >>>> I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in= >>>> this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the fi= rst >>> why it is "right" solution? >> Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. >> Besides, it scales well and has a large number of supporting >> utilities. >=20 > Off-topic, but do you know any good tool other than gq/phpldapadmin to > manage/browse/... an LDAP server ? At the moment I've my own set of LDI= F > files that I use with ldap[add|delete|modify], but it's not very > "flexible" .. > A ncurses tool would be perfect. I'm using http://www.jxplorer.org/ with great success and productivity. --------------enig3C660CC9C967736CE0A6AFA7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJQmpRldnAQVacBcgRAs4sAJ9qhWrAE7jh3EK4h4tvahUwWadHVwCdEBLp hwP/HP0tO2oDJYq5ANHOP5E= =gSpg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3C660CC9C967736CE0A6AFA7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:44:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FCF106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.ulb.ac.be (mxin.ulb.ac.be [164.15.128.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44918FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlUBABb3QUmkD30E/2dsb2JhbAAIw14IAYtJgWwIAYEG Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.ulb.ac.be with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 14:44:41 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:45:11 +0100 Message-Id: <1229089511.2753.34.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:44:43 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:12 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first > >> > >> why it is "right" solution? > > > > Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. > > so not "right" but interoperable. if i do have only unix systems in LAN, > NIS is much better easier and faster. > > for windows-only LAN with unix server, simply using samba is OK. > Here all the machines use OpenLDAP with pam_ldap and nss_ldap with /home mounted on the file server, so that an user can login on every machine and find back his /home. We've also a domain controller which uses Samba and the same LDAP database. So you create the account once and the users can automatically login on the unix and windows machines. It works pretty well. I don't know NIS so much, but I think that LDAP has two advantages : the protocol, and it's use of (extensible) schemes. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be UniversitĂ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrĂ©e ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:50:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B2D106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6818D8FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LB8P4-0006Jj-Fk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:50:02 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:50:02 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:50:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:47:25 +0100 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig495A8344D8C595DE582E46C3" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Sender: news Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:50:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig495A8344D8C595DE582E46C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valentin Bud wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar < > wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: >=20 >> this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the firs= t >>>> why it is "right" solution? >>>> >>> Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. >>> >> so not "right" but interoperable. if i do have only unix systems in LA= N, >> NIS is much better easier and faster. >=20 >=20 > If you only have UNIX systems in LAN. But in my case i have Linux + Fre= eBSD > (server). From the handbook > NIS only works between FBSDs. Am i missing something? You are correct. --------------enig495A8344D8C595DE582E46C3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJQmttldnAQVacBcgRAjQAAJ97IVRooV1HkTkh3d147bm9HsEVHwCfdLuP W3s82NfL/CU1Zg3OITYbxp0= =b4tE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig495A8344D8C595DE582E46C3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 13:52:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCB01065677 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002558FC2E for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1374931rvf.43 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:52:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+1Y740/HLXpnsin94BW7yAzjQfpPMr8kOXfomSvQPuo=; b=e3nH77ERLONyqrqmU2moipIFn0m0Go6rICQ5Xnbge1xRTE3j3fT9+QCp5B843B4bFV vzRgiaM4R5OvFVH5X3iY9fVwuAB9oqbKEwLvZ8cswcQFg3JsQE6r39j+CaRQfoXgstUq Tow81ewAdWJLw5WDIch8AiYXixxbGHEpYWve8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=SAQyer7QtJViu1J9vQC37P+rF4CRc1l7OFD51ViCGxz/7O/jdaXtFARfBOfOYJdISU k7N0lhQRnfYgvs8aWRreEct5JNWf3duDAvltzwknGqoIrYU31uYK7uGVUSKaO5NfyURU ZUdd/daQGcupHJ2jKttj56PR1KBNZl2A9v8Y8= Received: by 10.141.28.4 with SMTP id f4mr1912851rvj.164.1229088619208; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.172.6 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:30:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2b98f2f70812120530ved264aby2d41aba53e4f121e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:30:19 +0300 From: "Jeff Laine" To: abedini In-Reply-To: <001501c95c53$933d0320$3a02325c@abedini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c95c53$933d0320$3a02325c@abedini> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:52:18 -0000 2008/12/12 abedini : > Hi all dear > > I have laptop acer 4220 and I need to install FreeBSD. > > This laptop have sata HDD how can install FreeBSD in this system. > > Hello. If you need a desktop environment you can try PC-BSD (http://www.pcbsd.org/), it's easy and fast to set-up. I believe it will run good at your hardware. I had it on my old 1,6Ghz asus laptop and it was ok. And if you need a console interface - just get latest release of FreeBSD (http://www.freebsd.org/where.html). You can install from CD images, FTP or whatever suits you better. -- Best regards, Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 14:30:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B8810656D9 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:30:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807C68FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:30:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id mBCECYYb011718; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id mBCECY3w011717; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:12:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:12:34 -0500 From: Thomas Dickey To: Noah Message-ID: <20081212141234.GA10421@saltmine.radix.net> References: <494195BF.8090807@enabled.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <494195BF.8090807@enabled.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: dialog run away processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:30:25 -0000 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 02:35:43PM -0800, Noah wrote: > Hi there, >=20 > sometimes I find there one or two processes with the command name of=20 > 'dialog' tacking the cpu on my freebsd machines. any clues what creates= =20 > this situation and how I can circumvent the problem? It appears to=20 > happen around the time I run portmanager to update all the system ports. dialog is interactive. Sometimes it's possible to start dialog (or other interactive process) and disconnect the terminal input. Then (depending on how errors are handled), it tries repeatedly to read input. (that's addressed in the version of dialog which I maintain, but FreeBSD has, iirc, a variant from long ago which isn't strictly compatible). http://invisible-island.net/dialog/ --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFJQnFLtIqByHxlDocRAoMQAJ9u6SOUad5SQM/Jy6/sL9llJtgqLgCgj059 KbOW5uIBKVFQPOAmyQeV8VE= =8IMd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 14:57:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292331065677 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixvn@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D948FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:57:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixvn@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1399305rvf.43 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:57:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=PVKmIFklZRYGB9H5au9o3cgYL3/na6kbWmJGY9es+Y8=; b=QvK1yORuvCU60A8blrneK3fjLtdHWT5UmZzA3o1TwdFS6NlHkVR15xHvccCDjnpyY7 Sp1d3u7nyYXmz3v2P4AOraiX2SFZPyv0ivroaTUEZJs99P4wWEZ9MErqCCg5vd8pE+02 8nI7a1atgs1edyuTgtXXPSG1E2NTgJEfHvBzM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=EDyVAE6w0aKZhpPPsQr7Lsck3bi/9qjDfZjwCCTVOgP3QMRjj2Q6obpk3rCu7AqH34 17G5PBsnqCXx1w8tpzuZ87lGhVayG2SnKDSRzqYKS8U/2PErha2yKX96m35YiPJdmT/Q SGvEstuXBrF0+8eQkEcgnE/LJv3gKiZO3cEjw= Received: by 10.141.153.17 with SMTP id f17mr1954526rvo.99.1229093372378; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.193.12 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:49:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <64b284310812120649l79b3c07epaf950d361d95c850@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:49:32 +0800 From: "Nguyen Tam Chinh" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <20081212032159.GB4047@shepherd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081212032159.GB4047@shepherd> Subject: Re: NEED HELP FOR SUITABLE VERSION X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:57:41 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Sahil Tandon wrote: > hitech resources wrote: > >> *HI, i have PowerEdge(TM) 840, Quad Core Xeon Pro X3220 Processor, so what >> is the suitable version of FreeBSD i could use. I actually want to use it >> for server purposes. TQ > > 7 > And amd64 also :) -- With best regards, Chinh Nguyen *********************************** FreeBSD - The Power to Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 15:01:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D465E106567B for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixvn@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95878FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixvn@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1400532rvf.43 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:01:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=x0k3GD9sOO73MCNyLK1rbeoUXUE43KRzaU0zPEg/Jik=; b=ibDqN6hvqpdZXGwHWBxGbdz93vSw0Da7pw/dwBUghW0b+CJc8TwIJzjX36TKuk2urd D9NtjJzTymvSZGBCQzbd3qsFJgBnZFgs+zvJ3c0cmc8YvTmDx1054xAWBh1dwR9Gl8zV Po6+IVyJiVlQjklso/NIN2JOLH1qSg1GN6cK4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=JXQ2UNZ6ieuivZSG0/lnWghaB3H4P4YMfN3m+8jd4zGmxVXUsZ6ZhCJ5S4IOSHLMLZ lG/+2i/8dDeOkGt5P8gS4IalGirh1x/LJq4cIjPn0OfnFib75G0y9J7pM0BJ+FPcd3vs p9iibDnctw5cq9+7FiCt52MEGmIKMgw+eyFJA= Received: by 10.141.153.17 with SMTP id f17mr1959815rvo.99.1229094076309; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.193.12 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:01:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <64b284310812120701tfcb5a51r6b8a293241f09af9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:01:16 +0800 From: "Nguyen Tam Chinh" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <494162D7.4010500@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <494162D7.4010500@gmail.com> Subject: Re: ftpd not chroot'ing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:01:17 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Gunther Mayer wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm trying to set up a really simple, single account write only ftp service. > So I put > > ftpd_enable="YES" > ftpd_flags="-o -d" > > in my rc.conf and started the ftp server. Now I have a special password > enabled user account called "camera" (none of the other accounts have > passwords, all logins are either remote ssh with keys or local terminal > access with root) with login shell /bin/sh. > > So far so good. All I want to do now is now use the chroot facility of ftpd > so that when user "camera" logs in ftpd will chroot the session to its home > directory (/home/camera). man ftpd and man ftpchroot tells me to put > something like > > camera yes > > in /etc/ftpchroot. But once I do that I always get: > > $ ftp myserver.mydomain.com > Connected to myserver.mydomain.com > 220 myserver FTP server (Version 6.00LS) ready. > Name (mypc:test): camera > 331 Password required for camera. > Password: > 550 Can't change root. > Login failed. > ftp> quit > 221 Goodbye. > > If I disable that line in /etc/ftpchroot by commenting it out I can log in > perfectly fine though. Even debug log messages (-d) don't tell me anything > more than "can't change root" :-( > > The alternative as stated by "man ftpd" - putting a ":ftp-chroot=true:" in > /etc/login.conf and doing a cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf seems to make no > difference as no chroot is in effect (I can still cd .. and get to /home). > > What am I doing wrong? > > Gunther > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Try to put just username there, no need to put "yes". -- With best regards, Chinh Nguyen *********************************** FreeBSD - The Power to Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 15:14:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A0E1065673 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixvn@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB638FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixvn@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1405756rvf.43 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:14:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7wWhrTSEbKOSxTb8BpjYxnOnP6X+EwMjNUmvg29BPXU=; b=jJ5qkbBPQtY/IbwfLg6raOlkT6Z2duwGJ4EtwHgZWm+JdPX9c8IspUkMzso7MRlThH By7KlmxsWP8B4MSuqYmYg6N2WPdijOj+dkJuzT0jeX+FNICnf8pqj8t3At+VFg1ZH4aI 4WDid84Q7heLBCjFtbceKucj1vttA2kJYHZG8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=nSQaqzk+Ri/mese6tBUF/+jTgtrNqVhX91tssG7xt+7feDHfO8KRgQFhSqweHi0+Av AEA4fozbsOxjnw0nhWryqdEOYKgR1TwsiecbgcGjqPEF1xNpp/CPnmJpE9owmZrv1qgP 97mBSer5TmY/lUz5PoRYJqbT9kRVlSvAP9BjU= Received: by 10.141.164.13 with SMTP id r13mr1960305rvo.33.1229093140079; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.193.12 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:45:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:45:40 +0800 From: "Nguyen Tam Chinh" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:14:52 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Ivan Voras wrote: > Valentin Bud wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar < >> wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: >> >>> this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first >>>>> why it is "right" solution? >>>>> >>>> Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. >>>> >>> so not "right" but interoperable. if i do have only unix systems in LAN, >>> NIS is much better easier and faster. >> >> >> If you only have UNIX systems in LAN. But in my case i have Linux + FreeBSD >> (server). From the handbook >> NIS only works between FBSDs. Am i missing something? > > You are correct. > Hmm, I have NIS server on an old Solaris 8 and all clients are Linux (I can't use FBSD at work due so far). So it sounds strange if NIS works only between FBSDs, something not standard in the implementation? Anyway, I also vote for the LDAP. Later on when you need to introduce new services, LDAP will integrate better. NIS is very specific for *nix world. -- With best regards, Chinh Nguyen *********************************** FreeBSD - The Power to Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 15:50:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA99106568F for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7948FC1A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so3413274bwz.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:50:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8dBJEiUzqocrkokdw0gzuCrb9B37nvuNracTonA9aX4=; b=pqXjfGRgW4wQUQF/Bauq/vIjEJp8/exmsOYhGrOquW3QSZWRPhjzHS9RlicIssD8RC ZxauxKBuerc9CD10OkKm5M5YutXeI1xIBcvlqPkisjqaG4rfknZZ4Bes0bJTKDUdMH7f FEwWe5SD5PHhBEK+LqpHdB79WRNcibgmABbDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=gJtKcQZ/L+Yjp1yAfgszQaZGg+RJYreiXRwrrvKzIKB3ygcQW/nn1vv+iIgSyumzWp V859GcXFXNxdHBGA48T63QeN6fdqFQJWk+reTnAgZPNz8UT2VEaP0YU3/ToNPmrnMZKH JAqkT59PJxxjfl+46XPMMF8xFgfdBocqedncs= Received: by 10.223.110.200 with SMTP id o8mr4306113fap.56.1229096798119; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.206 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:46:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <991123400812120746s1b3ceca3o67465a65161c7587@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:46:38 +0300 From: "Odhiambo Washington" To: "Gary Hartl" In-Reply-To: <002101c95c5e$e4263440$ac729cc0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002101c95c5e$e4263440$ac729cc0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Double Posts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:50:26 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Gary Hartl wrote: > Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message posted to > the group? > > It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am aware of) > > I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. Perhaps it's Outlook 2008! I am not getting double posts and I am reading via gmail web UI. BTW, where can I get Outlook 2008 for test drive? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, unlike our MPs!" -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 15:56:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B948106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f18.google.com (mail-qy0-f18.google.com [209.85.221.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E345B8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so1899996qyk.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:56:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NnQeFRW+QcBppxwmmrPFNIqLiB7ulhuD1/PtoP7Ho9Q=; b=V9uEOv78GMpxDo7Fg+YCO/vKfjvbliPKQw720K3bPdmMiFLJnW/h6WrUnCmRLNSFpp 6iJ3Fy0YIv5ST5ZSiAFtlLyu2owqkHpZQ99hRJEqTE59R/QqxLpFXJD296Aeeu1BASX8 2AF1gS8UYknuGAY6ndhObzo5tYiWNtJUeaEVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=A8QnP0eyd/vfMQme6HyD7vWGrM4f+z2n3MSioNCw5RCP05Q0SuulgK4DfJjveXb2pf GJKqBvpddBW/T7yc+zIb4PdaHHwYPj/n53k+w5xLSiXyksTUKyPRpob/cJzOMZ+/6opP 3IvXfQ7H4ZwO0jdiMERXECEO3YBWLzx2/XG0U= Received: by 10.214.10.20 with SMTP id 20mr5341452qaj.158.1229097374197; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3157230ywd.31.2008.12.12.07.56.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:56:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4942899C.70202@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:56:12 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Odhiambo Washington References: <002101c95c5e$e4263440$ac729cc0$@com> <991123400812120746s1b3ceca3o67465a65161c7587@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <991123400812120746s1b3ceca3o67465a65161c7587@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Double Posts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:56:15 -0000 Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Gary Hartl wrote: > > >> Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message posted to >> the group? >> >> It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am aware of) >> >> I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. >> > > > Perhaps it's Outlook 2008! I am not getting double posts and I am reading > via gmail web UI. > BTW, where can I get Outlook 2008 for test drive? > > from microsoft From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 16:06:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238B3106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:06:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9ABA8FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:06:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mBCG1Bs1045450; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:01:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mBCG1BXV045449; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:01:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:01:11 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: hitech resources Message-ID: <20081212160111.GB45375@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NEED HELP FOR SUITABLE VERSION X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:06:39 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:55:49AM +0800, hitech resources wrote: > *HI, i have PowerEdge(TM) 840, Quad Core Xeon Pro X3220 Processor, so what > is the suitable version of FreeBSD i could use. I actually want to use it > for server purposes. TQ Go with the latest RELEASE. If you can wait a short time, or reinstall after experimenting a while, go with 7.1. ////jerry > -- > * > *Regards* > Mohd Shamsi Hafiz > Hi-Technology Resources > Pekan Sungai Nibong > 45400 Sekinchan > Selangor, Malaysia > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 16:12:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAABC1065673 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perlcat@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622018FC20 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perlcat@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([67.206.60.105]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081212161249.GJG29999.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:12:49 -0600 Received: from ext-b14-105.omhq.uprr.com ([67.206.60.105]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20081212161249.KGKD10030.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@ext-b14-105.omhq.uprr.com> for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:12:49 -0600 From: Tyson Boellstorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:12:44 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> <494246DE.1070203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <494246DE.1070203@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812121012.44055.perlcat@alltel.net> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1yfBXCjDx5NWI7rL1MbouQ==:17 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=WJDZDV_s1269CoDfn0gA:9 a=jVsnzbe09e4iaFzAZjAhA4p83uIA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Subject: Re: USB Flash Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:12:50 -0000 On Friday 12 December 2008 05:11:26 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > fixer wrote: > > I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. > > I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD does, > > I need instructions on "how-to-use". Thanks in advance for anyone who > > can help. > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html > > Generally speaking, using an ms-dos (fat/fat32) formatted flash drive is > as simple as this: > > - plug > - get device name (probably da0) with dmesg |tail > - mount as root in /mnt: mount -t msdofs /dev/da0s1 /mnt the one thing that ought to be added to the mount statement: use your username -- that way, if you're using something like konqueror, you don't have rights issues. I know some use perms and open it up for group or world write -- but username helps you keep up good habits, and good habits will keep you out of trouble. It's in the man page -- but here's a reminder: mount_msdosfs -u /dev/da1s1 /mnt/usb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 17:03:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675EB1065670; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver@nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de) Received: from nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDEC8FC12; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver@nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de) Received: from localhost (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) by nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3843D9D7; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:46:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mouhaha.de Received: from nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de ([78.47.10.193]) by localhost (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GP6oWroj+z9c; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:45:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 340813D9CA; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:45:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:45:59 +0000 From: Oliver Peter To: AN Message-ID: <20081212164558.GB1866@nemesis.frida.mouhaha.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p6 amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iwi config help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:03:44 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:29:05AM +0000, AN wrote: > I'm trying to configure a wireless adapter on an IBM Thinkpad R51, and > need some help. I followed the iwi man page, but the card is not > recognized. I have the following in /boot/loader.conf: > cat /boot/loader.conf > > if_iwi_load="YES" > wlan_load="YES" > firmware_load="YES" > loader_logo=beastie > snd_ich_load="YES" > > kldstat shows: > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 18 0xc0400000 7c7990 kernel > 2 1 0xc0bc8000 e6e4 if_iwi.ko > 3 2 0xc0bd7000 2f9c firmware.ko > 4 1 0xc0bda000 6994 snd_ich.ko > 5 2 0xc0be1000 239e8 sound.ko > 6 1 0xc0c05000 5c838 acpi.ko > 7 1 0xc5547000 19000 linux.ko > 8 1 0xc5706000 1e000 radeon.ko > 9 1 0xc5724000 e000 drm.ko > > pkg_info | grep iwi > iwi-firmware-kmod-3.0_3 Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 Firmware Kernel Module Which version of FreeBSD are you running? Since 7.0-RELEASE, iwi-firmware is included in the base system, but you need to set the correct kernel environment variable to accept the license: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=iwi&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.0-RELEASE&format=html -- Oliver PETER, email: oliver@peter.de.com, ICQ# 113969174 "If it feels good, you're doing something wrong." -- Coach McTavish From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 17:13:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D191065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail.networktest.com (mail.networktest.com [216.240.60.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004C18FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from dhcp130.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [216.240.60.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A3B1978C87; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:13:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49429BC0.3040005@networktest.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:13:36 -0800 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Clarke References: <4941C15C.5040801@networktest.com> <200812120908.03153.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200812120908.03153.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating php5-pcre X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:13:38 -0000 On 12/12/08 1:08 AM, Mike Clarke wrote: > As of php 5.2.7, pcre extension is distributed with the core php5 > package, and not as a standalone module anymore." Thanks much. So, I can safely deinstall the php5-pcre port? dn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 17:20:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9A0106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:20:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from js.lists@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17A98FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:20:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from js.lists@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so1487451wfg.7 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:20:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7l4NwSatkMx92TY4y0gh1kXMFMYgRpEDyGQXzHwuWiw=; b=R8fHdMQ6vjDv0xtLjyKjAbpUpMdCLkt77u6/TCr8A/2qUYXVKJDzGg4T55iMSYgsVt U27agIE/hlgRfPsi6f97hu2+59GwMpIsPPOfXbkMd9Po935FrbVSWicbJaKXkqzr2HCr PTlFrUIuojYdfGi9za39OW66mrk90PTWKQJ98= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Q+nzYp8WSc/zFoE8VttNjR98VXhrpMdngDunq/Pj+dKEkDGLPxJtN4AELSu9XHcZu5 LHiptCgDmwrQMacYC1NwtTNy/cuWgWsvFbYYdedyqP9gEnb1DHEEdtYo6M57DPDcfTut Hgrc1gBnDJjocsT2DLWRs2/h39Z2J+iUJVBSo= Received: by 10.114.154.12 with SMTP id b12mr2876416wae.81.1229102451852; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.94.7 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:20:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:20:51 -0800 From: "Joe S" To: "Roland Smith" In-Reply-To: <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:20:53 -0000 On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Roland Smith wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: >> I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer >> any help or useful suggestions, but here goes... >> >> What on earth is going on with release scheduling? > > Two words: volunteer project > > I would propose to do away with the release schedule altogether, or make > it very succinct; > > next release: when it's done. What? Isn't that the Linux kernel schedule? Give me a break. The OpenBSD team of volunteers makes a new release every six months, with target release dates in May and November. I can't recall a slip of even one day. I know, this isn't OpenBSD, but it proves that a regular release schedule is indeed possible. The FreeBSD project continues to grow. I get that. Perhaps some parts of the FreeBSD project are not as organized as they used to be, or perhaps those planning what goes into each release are biting off more than they can chew. So what does it take to make regular releases a goal. Maybe try doing a little less per release? I haven't even looked at the list of what's changed between 7.0 and 7.1. I miss the old FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 17:20:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9C01065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 515CE8FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16917 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 17:20:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=efO7l+gOYBosguGnfI/4SXtZpvw7a1K0G6X2PllgwvCtbEai82UWeFOhX89I+rBVUotMUJULv1qHKSk4I0FT36wP3czg9q2Ju0uiGOVPWBmgfURWNN2ZeULb/JWGZWsjVjDntcTwK64FMzakack86/En5P9YCuzdW8Wcfxb21xg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 17:20:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: h_gg3zcVM1nCYb3QZo7S9l3CspWIVwMEZV83_cCAHuXFY2bVbaqhqccoosaXDgFLzE0JywapNKUdyLLHcRi.uAaTavEvTmX3MmC3Pw.0Z91yfVD4cycDP1pMhCSih3muD.L7HYRq5wauiHpg3_lz_jyKMkZHlfIEoWeV9dYXRzw71Cx5HLAg9jY8FBsysHTL6Scp.9Ug4s7jeYzbmX._aT0rzczLzNkrvQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:20:13 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212122013.402695f0@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <49426DEA.60305@bah.homeip.net> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <4941A0DD.7060803@bah.homeip.net> <1229071577.2753.3.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <49426DEA.60305@bah.homeip.net> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/qbAYqETb.54PMsD+jdQ9gyX"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:20:55 -0000 --Sig_/qbAYqETb.54PMsD+jdQ9gyX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:58:02 +0100 Bernt Hansson wrote: > > >Julien Cigar skrev: >> On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 00:23 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: >>> Julien Cigar said the following on 2008-12-11 14:40: >>>> - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice >>>> or ... is just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for >>>> building ports (but it's being resolved I think). >>> Of course you can use -j to build ports. >>> >>> Just cd to/your/port make -j8 install (clean) >>> With portupgrade you use -m -j8 >>> >>=20 >> I'm not sure about this, as there is just a project in titled >> "Allowing for parallel builds in the FreeBSD Ports" on >> http://www.freebsd.org/projects/summerofcode-2008.html ... ? >>=20 >> Every time I tried to build a port with -j it failed .. >>=20 >>From todays portupgrade -aiR -m -j8 > >Building '/usr/ports/textproc/asciidoc' with make flags: -j8 This entire thread has really gotten OT. Maybe it is time to close it. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Remember, drive defensively! And of course, the best defense is a good offense! --Sig_/qbAYqETb.54PMsD+jdQ9gyX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCnXQACgkQBvaKIJWWCO0ELwCghp9zPQj13b07lFTQ1MMCDUI5 i9EAmwfMS+bjSyygtaqYF17GQD+ZZKjO =l5sm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/qbAYqETb.54PMsD+jdQ9gyX-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 17:26:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B391065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:26:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from millenia2000@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2708FC24 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:26:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from millenia2000@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY126-DS7 ([65.55.131.34]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:26:36 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [69.243.61.156] X-Originating-Email: [millenia2000@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Sean Cavanaugh" In-Reply-To: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za><20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> To: "Joe S" , "Roland Smith" References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za><20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:26:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2008 17:26:36.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[C926AEC0:01C95C7E] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:26:36 -0000 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe S" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:20 PM To: "Roland Smith" Cc: ; "Jonathan McKeown" Subject: Re: Release schedules > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Roland Smith wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: >>> I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can >>> offer >>> any help or useful suggestions, but here goes... >>> >>> What on earth is going on with release scheduling? >> >> Two words: volunteer project >> >> I would propose to do away with the release schedule altogether, or make >> it very succinct; >> >> next release: when it's done. > > What? Isn't that the Linux kernel schedule? > > Give me a break. The OpenBSD team of volunteers makes a new release > every six months, with target release dates in May and November. I > can't recall a slip of even one day. I know, this isn't OpenBSD, but > it proves that a regular release schedule is indeed possible. also remember that 6.4 was being worked on at the same time. there's only a finite number of people to spread across both projects. finalization of 7.1 should come faster as 6.4 has been released From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 17:27:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CE51065673 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF7678FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:27:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67963 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 17:27:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=K6a9pDP7HgO2K2IZi+Yk5ksJRvVhE9RdM4YbSvZU7J9kzu27pcFQyYj5B8a0N3XzUg5NVu5ZccgOKRIaXqt0gR9zzShQfgN94O7956ssTd4BX0INDvn6HZ8v9echYpMF611neZGAZ1gMAdUfHcnhhzHyrdFHeE/5Vx+0gTFSS7Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 17:27:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GAdin8YVM1lRPnSVUQEIJjMuyA5qD5jUo0oZTkSUEy7UVxnQrfMzPsMuMDY10uiG4ZRgmEOb9zX6NT3fifNK.YD.nih_Mbpmqc6w9_5LOlSsRY0DbAAmTPyyZ2TPeZ_1mKDCLm7jamFqdslxk6xsHMyF4XCJDkxqdjIQShP7AyiFFb6Wi.LSemV1iwZV8MjK1041r6eC_NMRlMJtTlIq7Dg7OPfB X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:27:18 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212122718.6ccaeae7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <002101c95c5e$e4263440$ac729cc0$@com> References: <002101c95c5e$e4263440$ac729cc0$@com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/b.bTIck9GCIaroRrGOOI796"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Double Posts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:27:23 -0000 --Sig_/b.bTIck9GCIaroRrGOOI796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:38:17 -0500 "Gary Hartl" wrote: >Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message >posted to the group? > >It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am >aware of) > >I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. > >Thanks=20 > >Gary=20 Consider yourself lucky. I have been reading horror stories on the GMail forum regarding users losing email. In any event, if it just started and you did not change MUAs, it is almost guaranteed to be a Google (GMail) problem. By the way, are you using IMAP or POP? --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Old musicians never die, they just decompose. --Sig_/b.bTIck9GCIaroRrGOOI796 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCnvgACgkQBvaKIJWWCO3N3wCgjLDH/rRh17/0wlWFbz7xqx1u 6zYAoKaxCWqBcrycyJFG8BLzFUArToxY =XDZJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/b.bTIck9GCIaroRrGOOI796-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 17:38:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD38106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-109.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-109.bluehost.com [69.89.22.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 443D88FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 23912 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 17:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 17:38:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=nxiUGOVUaqcnQNRYPpNmgT5a0jC8XwGBDuDdzJjx+nSCpB8sne2m93wrpKx+MYAn9nGcS2D1mwzURNZVLVrWaT8KTUs+4SurwDrHC5x9AKYr4ahzDVWOkrqvyKft6qur; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBByL-0003k0-OP for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:38:42 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:38:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:38:19 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212173819.GA36348@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211132419.761ce14e@gom.home> <20081212001125.GC32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211164723.460f909a@gom.home> <20081212014654.GA32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211190418.360dffa5@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211190418.360dffa5@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:38:42 -0000 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 07:04:18PM -0800, prad wrote: >=20 > > Each time, I have very > > clearly stated my disagreement with his estimation of FreeBSD as > > being thoroughly beaten by MS Windows in that area, with that URL > > provided as evidence to back my claim. > >=20 > the problem is that is your own posting > (http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=3D335), not that it should automatically be > disqualified for that reason. also, the focus seems to specifically on > eye-candy: > "open source systems are currently better at glitz and glamour than > Microsoft and Apple systems". It's a problem that I built an argument rather than appealing to authority . . . ? How is that a problem? Eye candy was the point he kept arguing. That's the point that addressed. Where's the problem here? >=20 > i don't disagree with you that opensource stuff is much better even if > they don't have certain things. however, is this really a freebsd issue > or a particular version of a desktop that is offered by a unix system. > freebsd doesn't offer the most recent versions (and that's not > necessarily a bad thing). FreeBSD offers newer versions of a lot of stuff in its stable products than many comparable Linux distribution releases. Furthermore, since I was comparing FreeBSD with MS Windows (in response to claims that it simply can't measure up to MS Windows), I don't think your weak protest that FreeBSD is somehow "behind" something like, say, Arch Linux, is very applicable. >=20 > > Each time, he has completely ignored what I said and the URL I > > provided. He keeps coming back to make exactly the same sort of > > claims he has before, utterly failing to addresses arguments against > > his hand-waving statements without any logical or evidenciary > > support. Nobody else has bothered to dispute what I've said, either. > >=20 > while i would not use xp, somethings do work with less effort there > than say ubuntu. there are certain programs like voice recognition that > there isn't an equivalent for with opensource, yet. Great. Let's work on getting voice recognition software working better with open source software so people with disabilities will not be prevented from using open source OSes as effectively as they'd like. That doesn't mean we need to abandon everything FreeBSD stands for, and doesn't even necessarily have to mean we're making the OS more desktop centric -- and doesn't really have anything to do with the points I was making, so I'm not sure why you brought that up, unless you're trying to say that since it's easier to get voice recognition software working on MS Windows we just shouldn't try for fear of becoming "infected" with MS Windows design philosophy somehow. >=20 > despite this, i certainly try to demonstrate to people why they should > use opensource rather than windoze. Good for you. This wasn't about you, though. >=20 > > In absence of, at *minimum*, some half-assed attempt to make a case > > against what I've provided, I will continue to regard his repetition > > of disputed, unsupported statements to be dishonest or at least wildly > > inaccurate. > > > i think his arguments go beyond the eye candy realm. he is not alone, > you know. i recall reading a few years ago, the creator of the > enlightenment wm saying that the desktop war was long lost to windoze. > i don't know if that is correct these days, but it certainly seemed so > then. I was referring to a specific example. Please either address the example under discussion or concede the point about that example and explain that you'd like to discuss other matters. If I recall correctly, the E creator was talking about *market share*, which is not the same thing as functionality by any stretch of the imagination. >=20 > > Would you prefer I just accept his statements, which fly in the face > > of my own experience, even after he fails to answer supported > > disputations of their content, just because it's him and you say he > > has to be right about everything? > >=20 > chad, you are fantasizing now. i never said he has to be right about > everything. in fact, i know for certain that he is wrong whenever he > disagrees with me. :D That's called "hyperbole": http://www.bartleby.com/61/63/H0356300.html >=20 > i don't think you need to accept his statements. i do think it would be > better if we could drop the name calling and the anger, displayed in > the earlier posts. if he fails "to answer supported disputations of > their content", you can certainly ask him to deal with the matter at > hand. How should I do so, exactly? I presented the same exact argument to him three or four times, and he ignored it every time. After three strikes, you're out, as far as I'm concerned. At that point, just repeating the same FUD is trolling -- so I asked him to stop trolling. Now, this lengthy debate with you, because you don't think he's done anything wrong, and I'm a bad person somehow for asking him to stop spreading that FUD. >=20 > > Even if his statement itself isn't dishonest, his unwillingness to > > either back away from it or offer a counterargument when it is > > effectively disputed is dishonest. He pretends there is no other > > side to the matter, no other valid opinion, yet resolutely refuses to > > acknowledge such "other side" arguments when they arise. > >=20 > i find he does answer quite prolifically, but perhaps he may not have > addressed your particular issues. My "particular issue" was an *example*. I very clearly stated it was an example -- the example with which I am most familiar, but not the *only* example. I'm about ready to write you off. That's at least twice I've told you that. Wanna try ignoring this and try for a third? > >=20 > > I guess you haven't been reading very closely. > >=20 > well there are other things to do in life, you know. > but i did notice that you called him a troll and possibly a few other > things, which i don't think is appropriate for this list which is the > freebsd-questions list and not the freebsd-namecalling list. If you're going to try to make an argument, try to make an honest argument. If you don't have time to make an honest argument, leave the arguing to someone else. Please point out the "few other things" -- and I didn't specifically call him a troll. I asked him to stop trolling. It's like the difference between calling someone a bad person and asking him to stop behaving badly. As for those "other things", I suspect you're referring to another piece of hyperbole -- when I asked "what kind of cruel, sadistic bastard does that?" (paraphrased from memory -- not necessarily word-for-word correct). If that's the case, I admit the implication may appear to be that he's a cruel, sadistic bastard, and apologize for any confusion. It was meant as a hyperbolic question intended to point out what my problem is with his behavior. It wasn't intended to literally paint him as having cruel and sadistic character traits. >=20 > > Oh, poppycock. Go back and read the very post to which I responded > > when I called him a troll. Notice how he says things that seem > > carefully calculated to make people think "Oh, this FreeBSD thing > > obviously sucks as a desktop OS." =20 > >=20 > i really didn't get that feeling. i think it was more that he doesn't > feel desktop paraphernalia is a high priority. He literally tells people that MS Windows is a much better choice, and people should just use that instead. Yes, literally. Read the archives if you don't believe me. >=20 > > If you want me to speculate, the best I can offer ... [snip] > >=20 > well you may be right, but i think for now it should simply rest as > speculation only. *You* asked. I didn't offer any such opinions on the matter *until* you asked. Don't try getting on a high horse about it now. >=20 > > Nice -- I make a single comment directed at him about his trolling > > behavior, and you drag that out into this lengthy back-and-forth -- > > and somehow this means I have a vendetta. > > > well words like "cruel", "sadistic" and "bastard" really compliment the > ambiance that the initial "troll" conjured up. i think you may have > said things more 'forcefully' than intended, which is why i thought it > was sounding rather like a vendetta. See above -- both my discussion of the use of the word "troll" and other terms, and the fact that in the quoted statement here I was talking about the fact that *you* are the one that turned this into more than a single, simple statement that he should refrain from taking on trollish behavior, stirring up unnecessary debate (which, now that I think about it, is basically what you're doing with me) and telling people they shouldn't use FreeBSD. >=20 > > In answer to your question, RTFML (i.e., Read The Fucking Mailing > > List). > >=20 > nor is there really any need for what is commonly accepted as > profanity by a significant number of the population. i don't really > think you expect me to go through the mailing list to find instances of > what you consider the "half a dozen times in the last year ... he has > done his level best to dissuade people ...". on the other hand, if you > are able to find these 6 references for me since you are sure they > exist, i promise you that i will read them. I gave you an example. You haven't done anything but talk around it. With that kind of reception, I'm not likely to put in the effort to educate you on the behavior some someone on this list. If you pay so little attention to his behavior that all you can do is make vague hand-waving comments about how you don't think he acts trollish and seems to know something about FreeBSD, I don't see why you expect me to go out of my way to offer more examples than the example of three or four cases I've already provided. >=20 > > http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html > >=20 > > To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable > > responses or flames; or, the post itself. > >=20 > > I think that better fits his consistent statements to the effect that > > FreeBSD is inferior to MS Windows as a general desktop OS on the > > FreeBSD mailing list than it does my statement that trying to drive > > people away from FreeBSD when it might be the best option for them is > > cruel and sadistic. I used hyperbole; he said things that seem > > calculated to draw flames. > >=20 > on the other hand, some of the words you have used (hyperbole > notwithstanding), do ignite the fire - it is likely we wouldn't be > engaged in this discussion if more appropriate words were used. You should pay attention the next time he tries to justify his opposition to letting people learn about FreeBSD as an "alternative" to MS Windows some time -- specifically, to the "appropriateness" of the words he uses. >=20 > > I'm done trying. I guess, when someone offers a supported argument, > > he simply ignores it -- and therefore doesn't have to admit to having > > been effectively disputed. > > > chad, i think it's great that you are such an opensource advocate. i > think there is little doubt wojecieh is too. i happen to agree with him > on this freebsd matter though and i haven't found your arguments > convince me otherwise. nor have i found some of your comments about him > either accurate or appropriate. perhaps, some others feel the other > way around because of your posts. This has nothing to do with being an "opensource [sic] advocate", and everything to do with someone spreading unsubstantiated fear, uncertainty, and doubt, flying in the face of counterarguments without even acknowledging they exist. Feel free to disagree with me -- and good work, having the common decency to tell me you disagree. Hopefully, if someone offers reasonable disputation of what you say, you'll address it somehow rather than just repeating the same thing the way he did. =2E . . though it would be nice if you'd stop defending people for behaving that way, as well as avoiding acting that way yourself. >=20 > i think you and i have exchanged enough information on this topic, so > if you are done trying, i won't continue this beyond this post since i > think we are both possibly polluting the list at this stage. (if you do > wish to continue discussing, you are welcome to email me privately.) Whoops, I typed up this entire response before I read the end of your email -- and it's typed up in a manner intended for public consumption. When I said I was "done trying", it was within the context of exactly what was said at that point in your email -- and not as a reference to the concept of talking to you at all. If I find I have more to say, I'll send it off-list, as you suggest. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] My first programming koan: If a lambda has the ability to access its context, but there isn't any context to access -- is it still a closure? --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCoYsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVz8ACgqS2efbWY3VJUJ8QArcmq1Wdi vtoAmgPcfx4ctpQEj3ZjnYjORT4ItQ3R =9ejl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 17:46:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855961065675 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:46:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-39.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-39.bluehost.com [69.89.20.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 53D368FC1E for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:46:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 31051 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 17:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 17:46:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=C9YUl9gO8LdewNZg1S1SKfMiR50ZsOYfmtaHAmlMdqttxcTNos/8kltU/DgVXa52Q2I9uHb5vkBnyMR4cXNuvYu5wwktvXGj/7QYrEgWqhT5fcBEbU01bDbUJDH27ivy; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBC5u-00062y-Ax for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:46:30 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:46:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:46:07 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:46:30 -0000 --OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:45:20PM -0600, Tyson Boellstorff wrote: > On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 > > > > > > i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. > > > i think there is just some disagreement as to what is considered an > > > improvement. > > > > So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated > > graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be considered > > a worthy goal? > > >=20 > Not so much considered 'unworthy' as it is a balancing of limited resourc= es.=20 > If I was a hardware programmer, had unlimited time, beer, and cheese dip,= I'd=20 > add everything just because I could. I don't think anyone said anything about taking development effort away from, for instance, the network virtualization project to put into achieving better 3D accelerated graphics -- just that it would be nice if we had better support for 3D accelerated graphics. One need not entirely write off the notion of putting more effort into one thing to assure that we don't cease putting effort into another. One of the great things about open source development is that, often, more development talent can be found for new projects from people just idling around the periphery. >=20 > It would be cool if there was a way to ensure that all items would = be=20 > supported. However, even then, high performance video would lag. It is of= ten=20 > proprietary, and many vendors simply won't publish their specs and need a= =20 > reverse engineer to get any support at all. You can't force them to do it= ,=20 > and in the case of an open source OS, they may not want the world+dog to = see=20 > their code for any number of reasons. nVidia is a rare exception, and eve= n=20 > they are not going to put FreeBSD support at the top of their list.=20 What does that have to do with whether or not it's a good idea to solicit graphics and driver developers who aren't already doing something to work on it, if they're so inclined? >=20 > Long story short, there's room for all types. Enjoy the diversity. Fix wh= at=20 > you can. Avoid the problems you can. Use the appropriate tools for their = best=20 > purposes. Judging by the responses of some people on this list, there *isn't* room for all types. That's my problem with this whole mess. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Georg Hackl: "American beer is the first successful attempt at diluting water." --OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCo18ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUf0wCgzzKjIjaA36u2F3glAJXua/Qj mWIAoObk+rK8ubw4cu8ECeJdA4TPq1sP =uIPw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 18:03:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2DB1065675 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:03:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94698FC1D for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:03:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 13:03:22 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id KMU77763; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 13:03:16 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:03:15 -0500 To: "Joe S" In-Reply-To: References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:03:24 -0000 Joe S writes: > >> What on earth is going on with release scheduling? > > > > Two words: volunteer project > > > > I would propose to do away with the release schedule altogether, or make > > it very succinct; > > > > next release: when it's done. > > What? Isn't that the Linux kernel schedule? "When it's ready" used to be the scheduling principle. Then came 5.0 debacle: behind schedule big-time (and arguably not ready when it went out the door). I remember discussion afterwards, where there seemed to be agreement there ought to be a more-or-less regular schedule of major releases every two years (plus or minus) with minor releases every few months. Looking at "www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html", that's getting stretched. The RC-1 announcement for 7.1, originally scheduled for early September, is now listed as last week ... and didn't actually happen. (Unless I missed the memo.) Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 18:12:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B8E1065675 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-40.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-40.bluehost.com [69.89.20.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2AC78FC23 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 13607 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 18:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 18:12:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=C99voOnztlVgS9PGNEkovkIKnccqwmjGeUts//4sl4hBaKDfOVz/Tug+6XB7+HLqA7CQWWOVrF6k8cyJEWYq3EoGhNKq3AfcRWVxgHns9pyNEk4354QFLxLWaikc8xlU; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBCUl-0004uz-29 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:12:11 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NklN7DEeGtkPCoo3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:12:12 -0000 --NklN7DEeGtkPCoo3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:50:36PM -0800, prad wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:58:14 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated > > graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be > > considered a worthy goal? > >=20 > no. access to hardware probably is a worthy goal, however, you need > people to write the software and it's up to the freebsd team(s) to > determine if 3d graphics is or is not worthy, isn't it? I don't recall anyone saying "I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do anything about that at this time:". All I recall is several people cropping up and saying the equivalent of "If we work on that stuff, FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck." I disagree with that estimation -- but if someone wants to offer an actually reasonable argument, I'm all ears (or eyes, since this is a textual discussion). >=20 > > This is completely orthogonal to the question of whether people who > > express a desire for better support for desktop functionality should > > be excoriated publicly on this mailing list, and spanked for having > > the audacity to want to migrate from MS Windows to FreeBSD for use as > > a desktop OS. > >=20 > this is a pretty nice list and i haven't found much spanking going on > here. The "spanking" I have seen largely seems to focus on this particular area, and is mostly championed by one person, though. I guess I find it even more offensive because it's an exception rather than the rule here, and I rather like the otherwise helpful spirit of this community. >=20 > > I agree that desktop usage should not take priority over more > > fundamental quality concerns in FreeBSD development. Telling people > > to stick it in their ear when they say it would be nice to have Flash > > support is not related to the ability to prioritize development > > goals, though. > >=20 > i agree that telling people to "stick it in their ear" is not nice, but > i don't recall anyone doing so. unfortunately, if i ask for evidence > regarding this, you'll probably just tell me to RTFML as you did in > your other reply. It was a summary and paraphrase -- I don't recall anyone literally using the phrase "stick it in your ear". Please try to follow the discussion, rather than being diverted by paraphrases, since I don't have the whole mailing list archive memorized. >=20 > > Desire for better desktop functionality doesn't have to equate to > > wanting desktop-oriented development to "control the reins of > > development" for the whole system. Why the hell do you seem to think > > it does? > > > i don't know why you think that's what i think. what i said was that > was a concern. i certainly do know that in other areas > (computer education for instance), user convenience has destroyed > technical know-how (specifically, at some schools when the graphic > interface emerged in the 80s, word-processing dominated programming and > the some schools lost their thinkers). microsoft's catering to user > desires has produced some rather inferior software too. I think that's what you think because "control the reins of development" was a verbatim quote of what *you* said. I don't see greater core functionality and better driver support is just superficial "user convenience". It's not like I'm suggesting FreeBSD should violate privilege separation so people don't have to worry about the difference between user accounts and administrative accounts, or that it should make booting into KDE without a password the default behavior on boot so people don't have to worry about that icky CLI and memorize passwords. I'm not even suggesting that FreeBSD should adopt the MS Windows default, automatic wireless network roaming behavior. I'm just trying to suggest that opposition to discussing whether the resources exist to address some driver issues is kind of silly (for instance). >=20 > may be it doesn't have to be that way, but often there is a price to be > paid for 'convenience'. There is, indeed, a price to be paid for (poorly planned) attempts to improve convenience. Luckily, that's not what I'm suggesting -- nor is it what everybody else who would like an improved GUI environment is suggesting. >=20 > > Hell, I think the more server-oriented development > > philosophy of FreeBSD is actually a big part of the reason it works > > so well as a desktop OS! Maintaining a more server-oriented > > development philosophy in *no way* precludes giving some attention to > > strictly desktop-related functionality, though. > > > perhaps, but if you have a server-oriented philosophy, why would you > give much attention to desktop-related functionality? "More server-oriented" does not mean "exclusive of desktop". It's not like I said it should be "strictly, exclusively server-oriented, and screw those people who use FreeBSD as a desktop system." >=20 > i recall on the openbsd elist a couple of years ago people asking what > wm is best. most of the answers went something like - the default twm > (i think that's what it was) or fluxbox was "all i need".=20 My preferences swing more toward AHWM and wmii, neither of which is exactly a "bells and whistles" kind of window manager like Compiz Fusion. That doesn't mean that functionality like strong support for 3D accelerated graphics, which can improve the desktop user's experience, is *bad*. > =20 > > Pretending the two are incompatible goals, as a few notable people > > here seem to want to do, is counterproductive in my opinion. > > > not necessarily. one group is saying we have a great os, so it would be > even better if it could accommodate some of the fancy stuff that the > kdes and gnomes etc offer even more. the other group is saying why > bother, because who really needs it and if they want it they can get it > elsewhere. i think the concern of the latter group is by no means > illegitimate, because time and resources aren't unlimited. On the other hand, their statements *do* imply that *my* position is illegitimate in some way -- my position being that FreeBSD is the best desktop OS I've ever used (in addition to being a great server OS), and it could be even better if I didn't have to make a choice between either screwing up the stability of my system or using substandard, crappy drivers that emulate 1992 hardware capabilities for the ATI graphics adapter in my laptop. >=20 > on the otherhand, as i vaguely recall on a flash thread, someone said > no one is stopping anyone from writing a better flash for freebsd if > they really want to. i think it is ok to ask, but i don't think it is > ok to expect. for me, freebsd is a gift and i don't have any > expectations from those who put the effort and skill into creating any > opensource initiative. I'm using swfdec and MPlayer for Flash on my laptop. I know there's already effort being made in that area, and I'm glad -- and I also know that, if I had the resources, I could contribute more to that effort. Some people don't know that, and are basically told to go away by some people when they bring it up. Still other people suggest alternate approaches to fixing the problem, and are also basically told to go away, when a more appropriate response would be to say "I think you should talk to the people at the swfdec and gnash projects about that," in most cases. Some of the responses seem to be equivalent to "Even if Adobe opened the source for the Flash player plugin under the BSD license, and someone fixed up all possible problems with the code, we still wouldn't want it." I just don't understand that level of resistance at all. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Coline MacDonald: "Don't burn your bridges while you're standing on them." --NklN7DEeGtkPCoo3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCqWQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWbKQCgzeJ+BOualQdxVLDpbhKDnZgY rrEAoM1gvQs6ZHNsYKicTvHBeKqBq6O7 =84RX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NklN7DEeGtkPCoo3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 18:13:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEE41065676 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-318.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-318.bluehost.com [67.222.54.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AC0D8FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 19285 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 18:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 18:11:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=doSAbNgGLkp/R6VeZ14MEF5qlaE4pxNaZv4mMthLdbfRfiP1/fRjxQ+1vc4KOun4fXNNWALlNJsKb4Nojd64rN3EV6hBpyUGip9MLWDkdu87Qy8zNjpzjWxv2GoC6g0E; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBCVs-0005H3-Vm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:13:21 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:12:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:12:58 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:13:38 -0000 --cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:05:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated > >graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be considered > >a worthy goal? >=20 > full support of open hardware standards is an requirement. >=20 > support for closed hardware standards isn't important. I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware specs isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] My first programming koan: If a lambda has the ability to access its context, but there isn't any context to access -- is it still a closure? --cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCqaoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVDDwCgzqCojq+ZVHyIl15aCJ0SIgXI cdIAoJIGXhb30pwAG4bSm4ds4tCxwPSr =gG7S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 18:15:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BAE1065676 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:15:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6978FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:15:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCIFacx004577; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:15:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCIFZlc004574; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:15:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:15:35 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081212191512.G4492@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:15:52 -0000 > cropping up and saying the equivalent of "If we work on that stuff, > FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck." I disagree with because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 18:19:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297611065675 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6FC68FC1A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 17953 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Dec 2008 18:19:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:19:50 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212181950.GB17546@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:19:30 -0000 Wojciech Puchar(wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl)@2008.12.12 14:12:45 +0100: >>>> this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first >>> >>> why it is "right" solution? >> >> Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. > > so not "right" but interoperable. if i do have only unix systems in LAN, > NIS is much better easier and faster. No, it really is right if you want to authenticate email, radius, etc off of LDAP. NIS doesn't do that. > > for windows-only LAN with unix server, simply using samba is OK. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 18:26:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00351065675 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:26:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ibb_orac@mbox.contact.bg) Received: from sd97.btc-net.bg (SD97.btc-net.bg [212.39.90.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E7188FC28 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:26:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ibb_orac@mbox.contact.bg) Received: (qmail 11798 invoked by uid 605); 12 Dec 2008 17:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon) (83.228.34.40) by 0 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 17:59:52 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Ivailo Bonev" To: "Tyson Boellstorff" References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de><20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home><20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:26:31 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyson Boellstorff" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:45 AM Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors > On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote: >> > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 >> > >> > i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. >> > i think there is just some disagreement as to what is considered an >> > improvement. >> >> So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated >> graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be considered >> a worthy goal? >> > > Not so much considered 'unworthy' as it is a balancing of limited > resources. > If I was a hardware programmer, had unlimited time, beer, and cheese dip, > I'd > add everything just because I could. > > It would be cool if there was a way to ensure that all items would > be > supported. However, even then, high performance video would lag. It is > often > proprietary, and many vendors simply won't publish their specs and need a > reverse engineer to get any support at all. You can't force them to do it, > and in the case of an open source OS, they may not want the world+dog to > see > their code for any number of reasons. nVidia is a rare exception, and even > they are not going to put FreeBSD support at the top of their list. > > Unless you have a job at some video chipset maker, and are of a truly > generous > spirit, willing to risk your job in order to publish drivers, it really > doesn't matter what priority the powers that be give to video > acceleration -- > we can't ask anyone to risk their job just so works. If the graphics > devices themselves are sub-optimal, getting related systems up to a > razor-sharp performance level is like putting nitro and a supercharger in > your Lada. You'd have to put it in the back seat, because there's no room > in > the engine compartment for it. What's your problem with Lada?! :-D They make cars (especially Niva) to drive everywhere! Just my 2 euro cents... lol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 18:31:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E01106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FDB8FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so3578090bwz.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:31:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+09UCuWA+0Ue/siUGIg4dfksnq5RxaFieia5JJTDVpM=; b=ErziFlF9PZkemZuhVhRWPoKJBtYgK7WAVwSBKTcRZlHAYvJ9RD39FS99xihISyVb7r CUu+z6X42pWoOrSZ6pnsmfWBtSkCy0ck5VmEaU2sDSpuCQOJx7ZiaSCwK9W38F/Vtoiz yRmbiNqPiFqk9xWL2p6kuNKwopZL+GDyDtCLE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=VVyj5zf6lXYvdDbSuZ02dltlj1ZK+fasoItDvxm2tL87+wcyGUZdVZ9zuMbjSCkJns OqYkh/LdW7pd4iwxHYfC2sVZYE94lyINbrnPJbJPib8XHiSYAtEDpH0OxwuVNV+K5jUE Iv4ERA/dC1pja6Mgan4QtBxt8J1MDGuhPn0Vc= Received: by 10.103.229.19 with SMTP id g19mr1982149mur.1.1229106513168; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:28:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812121028m4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:28:33 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Robert Huff" In-Reply-To: <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:31:10 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > > "When it's ready" used to be the scheduling principle. > Then came 5.0 debacle: behind schedule big-time (and arguably > not ready when it went out the door). > I remember discussion afterwards, where there seemed to be > agreement there ought to be a more-or-less regular schedule of major > releases every two years (plus or minus) with minor releases every > few months. > Looking at "www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html", that's > getting stretched. The RC-1 announcement for 7.1, originally > scheduled for early September, is now listed as last week ... and > didn't actually happen. (Unless I missed the memo.) > The RC-1 announcement for 7.1 did come out last week (check the stable@ archives). I personally would rather wait for quality than pushed quantity. -- Glen Barber "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 18:32:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819741065675 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5161C8FC26 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd7ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.161]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 11:32:37 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=ERn7rUHXMWFG4Byod2UA:9 a=PzxChX3Wm44irSu-WYQA:7 a=hMft4geIgfMohV05VOXfmphsTCwA:4 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd7ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 11:32:37 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197D71701E for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:36 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212103236.1cfdde86@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081212120348.P3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211132419.761ce14e@gom.home> <20081212001125.GC32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211164723.460f909a@gom.home> <20081212014654.GA32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211190418.360dffa5@gom.home> <20081212120348.P3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:32:38 -0000 On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:04:21 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > there are excellent opensource software and there are crappy > opensource bloatware. > > just being opensource doesn't mean anything > agreed, but we prefer to support opensource from a philosophical perspective even when the quality isn't quite up to scratch. for instance, we use shane hudson's scid which has become chessdb instead of the really excellent chessbase because we preferred to support shane while he was doing scid many years ago. with reference to the desktops, i really don't think the xp offering really compares to either kde or gnome - you can't even get multiple desktops there without third party stuff from what i recall. still some things are available on xp which aren't elsewhere (for various reasons), but i'd rather work around these. actually, i work around kde and gnome too (even though i think they're pretty decent), and use dwm. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 18:36:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAA3106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D347E8FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LBCru-0000EQ-ML for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:36:06 +0000 Received: from pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net ([138.88.90.120]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:36:06 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:36:06 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:35:46 -0500 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:36:12 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:05:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> > >> >So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated >> >graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be considered >> >a worthy goal? >> >> full support of open hardware standards is an requirement. >> >> support for closed hardware standards isn't important. > > I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware specs > isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important. > My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very dangerous precedent if the solution involves allowing a third party commercial enterprise to dictate features FreeBSD "must include" before they will support it. In this case with NVidia and the amd64 3D driver let's say for sake of argument the developers decide "we want the amd64 3D driver so let's go ahead and add in abc_function() and xyz_function(). Later the situation is repeated with ATI mandating that abc_function() or xyz_function() must be altered to ATI's specs to get ATI 3D acceleration. Now you have two commercial companies using FreeBSD as the mud puddle in a tug of war game. Do we really want third parties to have the ability to dictate to the devs what code goes into FreeBSD? I have doubts that this is a good path. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:07:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387B0106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EF98FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd4ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.141]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 12:07:47 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=ArlOFnIDZ56P-wg5SCcA:9 a=AVjKmPe3bDNMgknMTrUA:7 a=Z3ToN5TsAXIPH9mUNWKehMtmHKAA:4 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd4ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 12:07:47 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2381701E for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:45 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:07:48 -0000 On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > I don't recall anyone saying "I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD > development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do > anything about that at this time:". > i don't either, but these development teams do exist: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html and so does a mechanism for initiating projects: "If you feel that a project is missing, please send the URL and a short description (3-10 lines) to www@FreeBSD.org." and i guess as tyson explained there needs to be a balancing of limited resources. > On the other hand, their statements *do* imply that *my* position is > illegitimate in some way > i don't think so. it's more along the lines of "we don't need this in light of the priorities". however, i do think michael powell makes a very good point about "setting a very dangerous precedent" by ending up allowing "third parties to have the ability to dictate to the devs what code goes into FreeBSD?" this is quite possibly a legitimate concern. > Some people don't know that, and are basically told to go > away by some people when they bring it up. Still other people > suggest alternate approaches to fixing the problem, and are also > basically told to go away, when a more appropriate response would be > to say "I think you should talk to the people at the swfdec and gnash > projects about that," in most cases. > ok so here's a solution. whenever someone tells people to go away (i don't think it has been done quite that way, but i see little point in going into that here), surely others can point to those who are in the appropriate projects. that way you have the choice of pursuing the matter or seeking an alternative os. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:08:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB26106567E for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f18.google.com (mail-qy0-f18.google.com [209.85.221.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8598FC2F for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:08:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qy0-f18.google.com with SMTP id 11so1985261qyk.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:08:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V22VAL8WKqEBZPF5dI9IWk3uo2crDauJI/Ka85VvZkY=; b=q0wnySCwkk73jq5+LPDw9baGxRb3Mpg+Yuv6piuw9CuNM3S+Ugk63Sx14eAmBftG7a CWM/h3uIkY8jakWEwZakWQ9u3seXN2bkcAnkIXy59iJEL9Phd/bWEpOSqkvZTf86otas ADnRzuCU0OwuE4ChlcgCak+daVXZoT3CjS51o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jXX+SLTvWM9/GmL4wsThyCvveGNu/aU8uAqDcj/ogSyTxheZLHvck2SF0FLhQq1Zoi eXIaMe8eB7Gw8dwNDtX4PB85SAstVyhj0jWt5TH1QAsiKMjS6iJiek2fpajWHG0d084B a0C/rOwbNb7JQSBjC8rj/3jWjHAbfWtRSK27c= Received: by 10.214.216.17 with SMTP id o17mr5690409qag.120.1229108909363; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1907117yws.18.2008.12.12.11.08.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:08:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:08:19 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:08:30 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:45:20PM -0600, Tyson Boellstorff wrote: > >> On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 >>>> >>>> i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. >>>> i think there is just some disagreement as to what is considered an >>>> improvement. >>>> >>> So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated >>> graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be considered >>> a worthy goal? >>> >>> >> Not so much considered 'unworthy' as it is a balancing of limited resources. >> If I was a hardware programmer, had unlimited time, beer, and cheese dip, I'd >> add everything just because I could. >> > > I don't think anyone said anything about taking development effort away > from, for instance, the network virtualization project to put into > achieving better 3D accelerated graphics -- just that it would be nice if > we had better support for 3D accelerated graphics. One need not entirely > write off the notion of putting more effort into one thing to assure that > we don't cease putting effort into another. One of the great things > about open source development is that, often, more development talent can > be found for new projects from people just idling around the periphery. > > > >> It would be cool if there was a way to ensure that all items would be >> supported. However, even then, high performance video would lag. It is often >> proprietary, and many vendors simply won't publish their specs and need a >> reverse engineer to get any support at all. You can't force them to do it, >> and in the case of an open source OS, they may not want the world+dog to see >> their code for any number of reasons. nVidia is a rare exception, and even >> they are not going to put FreeBSD support at the top of their list. >> > > What does that have to do with whether or not it's a good idea to solicit > graphics and driver developers who aren't already doing something to work > on it, if they're so inclined? > > > >> Long story short, there's room for all types. Enjoy the diversity. Fix what >> you can. Avoid the problems you can. Use the appropriate tools for their best >> purposes. >> > > Judging by the responses of some people on this list, there *isn't* room > for all types. That's my problem with this whole mess. > > why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:16:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724B5106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2CF8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so3621511bwz.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:16:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/FPMGWBH0vb5cDfxGz8gBuqxHWuNnVZclSX/gzUc18k=; b=kmX1GTlmwCMzdQrQjZ2OMcqmgCx6dTPAXQC9IPcSi3mEmTRXP2kadH9cK77mN7kd9c IkO1neyjwIw/aIhfdLJAcF5Gcr75LR6UugQVGYWtPrvH4AbSYZ6oIGbhiXN5wffw2E9D 2JlutWasm52CH1ezRiOsAEg2UWlMTW+lwOVNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=JADEE3pIlqxGFnEh9vRanl6+UoivK2C9ORMHfHodufbNP+nN4kFbTLuXPryTtg6B6p N+WCwHyjd0d1xEBiBPJEj3fNAZ2c5IaY0zAVKw3U4VKfJ0GXKFamul/95lO5Mglyx2ky 1pNNAxpO8NraPc6lTIcW7LvznVcm9mAeL7s2A= Received: by 10.223.111.207 with SMTP id t15mr4555112fap.63.1229109193678; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.143 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:13:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <26ddd1750812121113o1590d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:13:13 -0500 From: "Maxim Khitrov" To: "Glen Barber" In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812121028m4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812121028m4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Robert Huff , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:16:26 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Robert Huff wrote: >> >> "When it's ready" used to be the scheduling principle. >> Then came 5.0 debacle: behind schedule big-time (and arguably >> not ready when it went out the door). >> I remember discussion afterwards, where there seemed to be >> agreement there ought to be a more-or-less regular schedule of major >> releases every two years (plus or minus) with minor releases every >> few months. >> Looking at "www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html", that's >> getting stretched. The RC-1 announcement for 7.1, originally >> scheduled for early September, is now listed as last week ... and >> didn't actually happen. (Unless I missed the memo.) >> > > The RC-1 announcement for 7.1 did come out last week (check the > stable@ archives). > > I personally would rather wait for quality than pushed quantity. This discussion has come up countless number of times and the answer is always the same - all of us would rather wait for quality, but we'd also like some very rough timeline estimates that don't fall back into the past. Notice that I said nothing about them having to be 100% accurate. The questions are about the published timelines, the answers are about the process. Hence, nothing ever gets resolved. It makes no sense at all to have a published timeline, but claim that it is irrelevant because "it's done when it's done." Do you not agree? For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When that day comes (or same week perhaps), whoever has the ability to change the release schedule page should update it regardless of what happened. If RC2 builds started, that should be reflected in the 'actual' column. Otherwise, if it's a minor change in the timeline, put the new expected date in. As is the case of 7.1 release, if the person honestly has no idea when RC2 will happen, put in 'December', 'January', 'Second half of January'... 'Sometime next year' if it's that uncertain. Anything at all; it takes 5 minutes to do. In the worst case, your estimate will need to be updated again in a month or two. In the best case, the release will be made before the expected date. I, for one, promise not to complain about that. :) Any date in the future will provide some information regarding the release process, no matter how vague. Having a timeline that is in the past provides no information whatsoever, and only irritates people who are trying to do some planning of their own around the FreeBSD release process. People aren't complaining because of missed dates, they are complaining because of a lack of information; information that should take no time or difficulty at all to provide. At least that is my personal opinion. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:16:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8041065676 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F3D28FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94221 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 19:16:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=VlV8GUdOvLdZAIQND74aPKS2UJMOnt0or1HCGErNlNumA7iDmz0jb1+YLwdfxkeOGMRFze4qquSgs6P9YRNch8qY+T9S6n0W0o+0bdgwkkAADnoQ9DdCpG/mw3tQAJvnXCaPF9mXZuNCZSfIHDdjkVy1VBCP9V/BwMJEGM5uiao= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 19:16:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tkgKLZUVM1mjXtUuYccyhmlYDhMoBwPEaCWXci6zxhc5c65Qq5lhUOtTnRv2zSlCqabPvhYe_GKMaSwxDtZevbaXEjpKcifzNZdXuf.z1MufifOVLPgkdCXhBZ.ivzBKcW6vNai0yA9L810s_XoCEMJnPATNgnZLf6Wan.o25sEUEm_RP9PrIkeXFFYl7cCQCCexUSGl9EtfIEHt1c0qYimo2aOXu4c- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:16:51 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212141651.598b287b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/UGE3XNHAjApxu2lZknrXau="; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:16:55 -0000 --Sig_/UGE3XNHAjApxu2lZknrXau= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:35:46 -0500 Michael Powell wrote: >My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very dangerous >precedent if the solution involves allowing a third party commercial >enterprise to dictate features FreeBSD "must include" before they will >support it. > >In this case with NVidia and the amd64 3D driver let's say for sake of >argument the developers decide "we want the amd64 3D driver so let's >go ahead and add in abc_function() and xyz_function(). Later the >situation is repeated with ATI mandating that abc_function() or >xyz_function() must be altered to ATI's specs to get ATI 3D >acceleration. Now you have two commercial companies using FreeBSD as >the mud puddle in a tug of war game. > >Do we really want third parties to have the ability to dictate to the >devs what code goes into FreeBSD? I have doubts that this is a good >path. =46rom my understanding of the requests by NVidia; the changes they asked for were required to make a fully functional driver. They also stated that other manufacturers would need/require such code changes also. In any case, I fail to see what the problem is. Microsoft has make numerous modifications to its code to enable third party products to work correctly. With the advent of 'touch screens' now becoming a reality, along with voice recognition, etc., it seems that FreeBSD would want to stay ahead of the curve rather than playing catchup. Heck, unless I am mistaken, the ability to 'hot plug' a USB device does not even exist in FBSD, although I have heard that work is being done on it. Unfortunately, the technology has existed for over ten years. Trying to get hardware vendors interested in your product while simultaneously telling them to go screw themselves because you have no intention of working with them does not seem like a workable business model to me. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Therefore it is necessary to learn how not to be good, and to use this knowledge and not use it, according to the necessity of the cause. Machiavelli --Sig_/UGE3XNHAjApxu2lZknrXau= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCuKMACgkQBvaKIJWWCO31pACeL4A6gEzK8bVfp2/mAEn3bvYO MVoAn3dfaFrCC+gPNOnnN+hXTPdUIJLD =Ygou -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/UGE3XNHAjApxu2lZknrXau=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:25:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2BF1065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:25:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06788FC1D for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd2ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.134]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 12:25:18 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=bjXK6Xbb7wU2q3f2pCQA:9 a=wvj8y2nuCfgOwuM6oNQuZc8qYrAA:4 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd2ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 12:25:18 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2B71701E for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:25:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:25:16 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212112516.5b16a5e3@gom.home> In-Reply-To: References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:25:19 -0000 On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0200 "Ivailo Bonev" wrote: > What's your problem with Lada?! :-D > They make cars (especially Niva) to drive everywhere! > well may be they could work on the nvidia drivers. they already have 4 of the 6 letters correct. > Just my 2 euro cents... lol > ok ok i admit that was a very desperate attempt at a joke. but you must understand that today your 2 euro cents is 3.3 of our canadian cents, so our humor can't go as far. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:28:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1E51065673 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:28:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAE98FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:28:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so1532801fkk.11 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:28:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ItDB8HyUNevgBtnEbbZ+Fgc7NPKAd6PSzk2iaHqFpT0=; b=Zr+n6RWbVTvyGQm2DmHVmk+BjVxlC2rGBwUcozB6rdy41yNW3yNBb+3nb8WXTbKJZC bUnq838Ssiw+bY6ZY/QE5tsRxiGWY2mmhITsBX3sPS1bdKll4BEeKViebXKb/GrBS0/t ho8fL9cjRo4bsb0s/eePIUc30L2qDjzRR80D0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=B6dLl5W8CrhgeVRniccj+c0bmNVu2/CSOhrG7lj6YQ/JEJRGqf9bQEIHGwAnIcVGqf 4JTTLCqeKGQ5/mOEPSClcND/hEWT+KSiJMig3EUBa6W8+4F6gmzRIRhPDuqqoGCa7G5t XgJAQA8O88l5lag6UYg2+jiB0liP/OQFiiWpY= Received: by 10.103.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr2004922muo.31.1229110085574; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:28:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812121128y18db1c19n8aa45dcc75794739@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:28:05 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Maxim Khitrov" In-Reply-To: <26ddd1750812121113o1590d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812121028m4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121113o1590d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:28:07 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > > This discussion has come up countless number of times and the answer > is always the same - all of us would rather wait for quality, but we'd > also like some very rough timeline estimates that don't fall back into > the past. Notice that I said nothing about them having to be 100% > accurate. The questions are about the published timelines, the answers > are about the process. Hence, nothing ever gets resolved. It makes no > sense at all to have a published timeline, but claim that it is > irrelevant because "it's done when it's done." Do you not agree? > I agree to a point. I wouldn't push something out if it was less than what could/should be expected. I haven't been a FreeBSD user long enough to remember the (previously quoted) "5.0 debacle", but I'm sure if I waited for a new release only to be disappointed, who knows what OS I may have went with. Yes, keeping users informed on the status of releases is nice -- that's what we have the ML for. > For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When > that day comes (or same week perhaps), whoever has the ability to > change the release schedule page should update it regardless of what > happened. If RC2 builds started, that should be reflected in the > 'actual' column. Otherwise, if it's a minor change in the timeline, > put the new expected date in. As is the case of 7.1 release, if the > person honestly has no idea when RC2 will happen, put in 'December', > 'January', 'Second half of January'... 'Sometime next year' if it's > that uncertain. Anything at all; it takes 5 minutes to do. In the > worst case, your estimate will need to be updated again in a month or > two. In the best case, the release will be made before the expected > date. I, for one, promise not to complain about that. :) > If the sacrifice is an out-of-date column in a webpage while bugs are being worked out, in my opinion, that's fine with me. (IMHO) -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:33:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70238106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:33:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3AA8FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCJWxsa004844; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCJWxZE004841; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Michael Powell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:33:10 -0000 >> I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware specs >> isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important. >> > > My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very dangerous > precedent if the solution involves allowing a third party commercial > enterprise to dictate features FreeBSD "must include" before they will > support it. NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers do make support for it. what is common today isn't normal. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:36:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9CB1065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0168FC19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so584487anc.13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:36:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=DHlEa2mvetID573bAnsleh5IMJhlC9tVZu863o3dzTI=; b=INrCvowc5vsA6B2kDM5fKI7hvEsJCCPu46mT7lEUJ4BxIr1B6cvTyTxQUKCO8fkZn/ jlB35sRaQn4+A4b9Y4x0f/hUK5gNKYqKtIkt+XYPH4pwt9q/glCaCwyhWK4XFYcBIZAu RoO0HuUxWDgo0RutghHByToe9PObIHLjSs0nU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=qNadXPeJj9k0dxpQS7vJ621K4E2cpXKNbtBQ4ntkx7045TOGv4fN3IQCc11IrnKMXZ B2avKuviGs5gfG5VZmtCzQHg3U4uwzq9arZYVZLPyz5eLppYtuKI64xo3+jzla+rRyem 65trtyLmj068zoDnT3aquHw/KzPAMnunScxcw= Received: by 10.100.124.6 with SMTP id w6mr3146751anc.30.1229110573878; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.209.20 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:36:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <539c60b90812121136i74bdd61fvea977f4b3abd8ff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:36:13 -0700 From: "Steve Franks" Sender: bahamasfranks@gmail.com To: "FreeBSD Mailing List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7b4e6be9c753b25c Subject: HD radio tuner for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:36:15 -0000 Anyone know of a HD radio receiver (preferably USB, put PCI/PCIe ok) that we have drivers for? I assume it would show up as a usb audio device and a usb hid device? Ok, no doubt I'm being optimistic that such a thing actually even exists.... Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:44:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637B4106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1B58FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 14:44:28 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PHW15647; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 14:44:28 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:44:27 -0500 To: michael In-Reply-To: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:44:29 -0000 michael writes: > why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m. CP/? Poser. I want my TWENEX back. :-) Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:49:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA42106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73798FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so2247854ewy.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:49:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jXSbx9bS7BSYk3KORKwjjsf4EIYYr+jfXXx2YT3OkPc=; b=aQI5PZZ4KgFxQwLjCyU0Y3DXRdglgeSdTwg0upWmHxj9ssj7hhmvA/hlVvEoYdg0og eMOQLJ6grGJByXDVhAvc77YYaqPiiiYLy1JRrbWW0KKdQKtFDj3P4AdmsQMGVDXGj0cD U7yESd0oDpEgYcJ4ZroRXgnh93J6AkYgRim5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=hLejOl3ZK9vkodz/SAJO4R1m156PBlFWUNYI72A3smtxb5ath4I2Pa9YM0042N4XnV MkErR6ROZeJCU0V0mazeHS3vs4Z613DJpn54u1giOGlav2C92+TSr0BoQRKFhrz8vWXr mX9C2Y09J0aJDI/p3DG5MIOYNjFPWiivZoP1k= Received: by 10.210.126.18 with SMTP id y18mr1249511ebc.164.1229111367265; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.117.14 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:49:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <26ddd1750812121149r6581ace1gec21e415afe3deca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:49:27 -0500 From: "Maxim Khitrov" To: "Glen Barber" In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812121128y18db1c19n8aa45dcc75794739@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812121028m4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121113o1590d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310812121128y18db1c19n8aa45dcc75794739@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:49:29 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: >> For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When >> that day comes (or same week perhaps), whoever has the ability to >> change the release schedule page should update it regardless of what >> happened. If RC2 builds started, that should be reflected in the >> 'actual' column. Otherwise, if it's a minor change in the timeline, >> put the new expected date in. As is the case of 7.1 release, if the >> person honestly has no idea when RC2 will happen, put in 'December', >> 'January', 'Second half of January'... 'Sometime next year' if it's >> that uncertain. Anything at all; it takes 5 minutes to do. In the >> worst case, your estimate will need to be updated again in a month or >> two. In the best case, the release will be made before the expected >> date. I, for one, promise not to complain about that. :) >> > > If the sacrifice is an out-of-date column in a webpage while bugs are > being worked out, in my opinion, that's fine with me. (IMHO) My point was that it shouldn't be one or the other. Taking a few minutes to update the web page does not interfere with the debugging process. It also doesn't force developers to follow that timeline. It is simply an indication to the users what their expectations should be at the present time. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:50:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DC91065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:50:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8758FC1C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:50:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so376254qwb.7 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:50:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=A4YIhUfxvmSPji1BXHNMerviSnWYTCC8dENEUTv2pvE=; b=rMlOGzUyVjycQsXqi1ad8yIJ/LE4mLSP3V7mSnIIhUk/xt01/izbfXAmZyjWR8GhnG 762megPn+SgyD3py4aAz11NdsgIuULnMLCpZnoH5Md6nfb5Ks70o0bXuxPg9k4SxunGa JF2oBKjLYb+fRLnemG2ojXP7t/ONewvgQkHUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Z0qWWJheo8XCaT4pmaxe3qP+m7A/4Bwum4yFYep7OTShLwnksQQh1BgtQFELXKxdmU 7D+XOBB4L2C8mRXNbkwKTL49Suznh6NaGWO5IbJ8JrZpBHXAvFRlAQg3B82WSxy/v53g WHyUW/NCf7nM3TFP0eLuQAl8HLJd6y7LycTNg= Received: by 10.214.183.8 with SMTP id g8mr5752916qaf.198.1229111417431; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1055083ywl.45.2008.12.12.11.50.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4942C076.3050506@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:50:14 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Huff References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:50:19 -0000 Robert Huff wrote: > michael writes: > > >> why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m. >> > > CP/? Poser. I want my TWENEX back. > :-) > > > Robert Huff > > haha, old man. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 19:53:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C38106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:53:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from numail.brianwhalen.net (numail.brianwhalen.net [66.93.34.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B738FC1A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:53:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 06727284FC; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:53:06 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on numail.brianwhalen.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (numail.brianwhalen.net [192.168.15.25]) by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9312842F for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:53:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4942C122.60606@brianwhalen.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:53:06 -0800 From: Brian Whalen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <539c60b90812121136i74bdd61fvea977f4b3abd8ff@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <539c60b90812121136i74bdd61fvea977f4b3abd8ff@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD radio tuner for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:53:07 -0000 Steve Franks wrote: > Anyone know of a HD radio receiver (preferably USB, put PCI/PCIe ok) > that we have drivers for? I assume it would show up as a usb audio > device and a usb hid device? Ok, no doubt I'm being optimistic that > such a thing actually even exists.... > > Steve > Here is a Linux story, maybe this is worth a shot? It isn't HD but it is something.. http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2005/10/18/dsb-r100-usb-radio-tuner/ Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:02:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91691065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7019A8FC1F for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64095 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 20:02:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=kDFSm58E8VAGRHJpTGM36MrzbKO+NDeQ+Sb9c/ahBSBfANQhKD+IhxwCuhI48VM9rT53Er1KLmlA4aJPH1Zo2nNTDBITNhwnYJ4gUJVsBQLIJ9csPd90FT+dRXGZ2vjEfYmx8LJ1ieHJjyA0hrNM4pygSfchO5LofXGoH5ukypE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 20:02:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: veU5yCUVM1nEKWD4mjpS97QruIv_T8VOZHXn5l38UY20owebRfO3AEdQxfSLohv493EAw4GAcCMZVJB.PIIEjVOSvRy8.xvGUFrhafixD67BQjlcJHvfet66ffguysfxQ78rMP7KiUpKhJKoL1FY4CEJYzTV5y58V6IG.hQrIP1g15Kzjbd.l8GO2jBZ9BZCvJf4NAI_1BC29aiqZcZOzkuyl1A- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:02:28 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/EG3Ds/0zoF9J7XiVjWcfndY"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:02:40 -0000 --Sig_/EG3Ds/0zoF9J7XiVjWcfndY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. >this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers >do make support for it. > >what is common today isn't normal. I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. NVidia produces both the hardware and drivers for same. It requested additions/changes to the basic FBSD system to enable their product to be fully functional. Changes that it seems other manufacturers would also need. Now, if FBSD has no intention of working with other hardware and/or software manufacturers/authors, maybe it should just post a big "KEEP OUT" sign on its web page. I seriously doubt that NVidia, or any other manufacturer is about to divulge trade secrets or patented information. What point would there be in that anyway? It is certainly not necessary. What developer in his/her right mind would be interested in making their product usable on a FBSD system if they knew that they would have to divulge all of their trade secrets, etc. Market share increases by making your product more accessible and usable by a larger group of users. If FBSD wants to remain a 'niche' product with limited support for third party products, then the question of why FBSD is not more popular with hardware vendors has been answered. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com meeting, n: An assembly of people coming together to decide what person or department not represented in the room must solve a problem. --Sig_/EG3Ds/0zoF9J7XiVjWcfndY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCw1wACgkQBvaKIJWWCO0UOQCeNlHGN4w0q/bQyS4uoR6eZlmv HDEAn2IBme7KUu12rti08/hHvChGYZPA =9+yT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/EG3Ds/0zoF9J7XiVjWcfndY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:15:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0381065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:15:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6788FC1B for ; 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i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:15:26 -0000 On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:02:28 -0500 Jerry wrote: > Market share increases by making your product more accessible and > usable by a larger group of users. > you make a good point here, jerry. what i'm wondering about though is if the 'normal' business model should be applied to fbsd or any opensource stuff in the first place. for instance, opensource 'employees' are volunteers whereas the other guys are salaried or on contract. they advertize, while we advocate. and of course they harbor trade secrets, while opensource is open (especially the bsd license). so perhaps the objective of being 'more accessible and usable' really means something a bit different here. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:20:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A42A106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from js.lists@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289288FC25 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from js.lists@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so768248wag.27 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:20:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8T8XpBw3vhVBTHrkI/G2BKxPQwwEuN4DDt2cnic7/40=; b=xnMs4nxzvuWPA4cxWDjxTDqtJ/G6iKNPXwqZ+lDMUPd6Uu/ila8pMRNXCD+HBXilZK cZGeWvbEjXxSOLw+VLpH37B3ejL0g1KFnq/O8OUQ+Zqu7Xttqpw3IU4bGJGCVZdNvyfb mW7UCRzmMPS0iQUom2oxclGDOROunqb9bcgoE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=eHLZj7nazi6z9drO1497ZU6vJgCJjtwFaryX/Pr4/SC3WAe6Q2IfEKnT1OwxkzNS72 z4igOB5hgaX/3i+faWCiR9oCyggNmfZQg/oRbWmxZRbrJtHS+AkXCfXH03rneWjo/YLV AxFBqxsAwb14B/Mh6Szf0Bnlxj0SGLkc09m58= Received: by 10.114.160.17 with SMTP id i17mr2991316wae.125.1229113212733; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.94.7 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:20:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:20:12 -0800 From: "Joe S" To: "Maxim Khitrov" In-Reply-To: <26ddd1750812121149r6581ace1gec21e415afe3deca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812121028m4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121113o1590d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310812121128y18db1c19n8aa45dcc75794739@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121149r6581ace1gec21e415afe3deca@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:20:13 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Glen Barber wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: >>> For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When >>> that day comes (or same week perhaps), whoever has the ability to >>> change the release schedule page should update it regardless of what >>> happened. If RC2 builds started, that should be reflected in the >>> 'actual' column. Otherwise, if it's a minor change in the timeline, >>> put the new expected date in. As is the case of 7.1 release, if the >>> person honestly has no idea when RC2 will happen, put in 'December', >>> 'January', 'Second half of January'... 'Sometime next year' if it's >>> that uncertain. Anything at all; it takes 5 minutes to do. In the >>> worst case, your estimate will need to be updated again in a month or >>> two. In the best case, the release will be made before the expected >>> date. I, for one, promise not to complain about that. :) >>> >> >> If the sacrifice is an out-of-date column in a webpage while bugs are >> being worked out, in my opinion, that's fine with me. (IMHO) > > My point was that it shouldn't be one or the other. Taking a few > minutes to update the web page does not interfere with the debugging > process. It also doesn't force developers to follow that timeline. It > is simply an indication to the users what their expectations should be > at the present time. > > - Max Again, I wonder if the reason for the delays is that too much work is being taken on for each release. I agree that FreeBSD should be released when it is done and quality is of utmost importance. Perhaps it would be better to focus on adding a few less features than planned, so that they can be implemented well and on time. I admit, I am not part of the project, and in the end, I have no idea what's going on. I just know that other projects with FAR less developers have found a way to do this, so it's not *that* hard. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:36:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8DE1065676 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E03B8FC1F for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCKZxb6005095 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCKZxB5005092 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> Message-ID: <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:36:09 -0000 >> NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. >> this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers >> do make support for it. >> >> what is common today isn't normal. > > I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. if you think they do this to hide their hardware secrets you are wrong. See x86 instruction set - does it reveal how Intel or Amd made their processor so fast? no! They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true reason they do this. With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly there are thousands of hardware bugs. with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:43:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F661065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:43:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169688FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so3709331bwz.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:43:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+qk3caeiC/secyV8m94ESxxVvn9kukB36lyR2lk9BiM=; b=hqjfpuGd0KoMrSY5sCV5Yv0TP3S61jgCLez0pj3kuFZg7vMRkKdDneOQPyWh3zDciG 3i+X+d6uU/qaQWvICrJqnZW9SRmvuamDV+lZ4yFp440kkX6CPwGAkoMMuQeKUxPv5X+P xa/vCVSNQjeaLWKVVKGEX1h97nPixSPgbHDSQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=NzalNUi7EyYINQ9pp5EewDf7etc22PDnWcPcbzv9oXiP8eBd5tT7qLBBqdH/nYWtR4 aayhD3oqUlxkgxadtSE9uI8PI++mAVqc3AErJRUe6ubYCmgIKnT6bQKBHC4K8B3dKobM ku/QPG4LpeKFsxV8s9yNRuSuW7/kX7OUZE2wQ= Received: by 10.223.111.134 with SMTP id s6mr4629432fap.60.1229114514950; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.206 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:41:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <991123400812121241h8e96decu463331dc84b280f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:41:54 +0300 From: "Odhiambo Washington" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081212122718.6ccaeae7@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002101c95c5e$e4263440$ac729cc0$@com> <20081212122718.6ccaeae7@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Double Posts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:43:36 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:38:17 -0500 > "Gary Hartl" wrote: > > >Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message > >posted to the group? > > > >It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am > >aware of) > > > >I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. > > > >Thanks > > > >Gary > > Consider yourself lucky. I have been reading horror stories on the > GMail forum regarding users losing email. In any event, if it just > started and you did not change MUAs, it is almost guaranteed to be a > Google (GMail) problem. By the way, are you using IMAP or POP? Hmm, this disappearing e-mails issue: I experienced it today. 2 test mails from my gmail account, to a mailing list where I am member, I see the mails sent to a gmail server from the logs of my mailing list server, but the mails failed to show up on my gmail account, Completely!! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, unlike our MPs!" -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:51:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567791065675 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF22B8FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78153 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 20:51:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=6bVHUw8QDAOtdXHtKcOIbvmxhuG97Mp+eBV76+LypojKzySK4gs3iwoqxHZTMmEyi426pA+MmQQnARS9zvM0OXfeFrX/rA77H+OrZBbeDFvBOo7HoFqoLbLD2N6PkPBXx2VIK+djLSVwr7IgXazCFzmfNzOZtodUliKDRWdIw78= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 20:51:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4T7as6QVM1lppEq1zYlF5nV1nJKmfOG2ZpwBvP64KjXoz4l5l3M6W5sNdQJfJprP2s5.VCtLi71V46fmI1WA27.D01vBSWQ_rCACzbDBfZKhcbzTdqJymYwyojTSDU19XGWfN4EBbFNP7KgdLcDslngWzuHHzPPCVv.KzSBJN2YRMT7cg..sDg4qfhNOvuC2diCUM1i3IaDoxFvBOq6qHvlO3eof X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:51:45 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212155145.1618810a@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812121028m4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121113o1590d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310812121128y18db1c19n8aa45dcc75794739@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121149r6581ace1gec21e415afe3deca@mail.gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/=WCke=U9b+O.eosTAAQbPbW"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:51:50 -0000 --Sig_/=WCke=U9b+O.eosTAAQbPbW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:20:12 -0800 "Joe S" wrote: >On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Maxim Khitrov >wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Glen Barber >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov >>> wrote: >>>> For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When >>>> that day comes (or same week perhaps), whoever has the ability to >>>> change the release schedule page should update it regardless of >>>> what happened. If RC2 builds started, that should be reflected in >>>> the 'actual' column. Otherwise, if it's a minor change in the >>>> timeline, put the new expected date in. As is the case of 7.1 >>>> release, if the person honestly has no idea when RC2 will happen, >>>> put in 'December', 'January', 'Second half of January'... >>>> 'Sometime next year' if it's that uncertain. Anything at all; it >>>> takes 5 minutes to do. In the worst case, your estimate will need >>>> to be updated again in a month or two. In the best case, the >>>> release will be made before the expected date. I, for one, promise >>>> not to complain about that. :) >>>> >>> >>> If the sacrifice is an out-of-date column in a webpage while bugs >>> are being worked out, in my opinion, that's fine with me. (IMHO) >> >> My point was that it shouldn't be one or the other. Taking a few >> minutes to update the web page does not interfere with the debugging >> process. It also doesn't force developers to follow that timeline. It >> is simply an indication to the users what their expectations should >> be at the present time. >> >> - Max > >Again, I wonder if the reason for the delays is that too much work is >being taken on for each release. I agree that FreeBSD should be >released when it is done and quality is of utmost importance. Perhaps >it would be better to focus on adding a few less features than >planned, so that they can be implemented well and on time. > >I admit, I am not part of the project, and in the end, I have no idea >what's going on. I just know that other projects with FAR less >developers have found a way to do this, so it's not *that* hard. My biggest gripe with the entire update schedule is that the ports freeze has been frozen longer than my wife. Maybe having two separate ports, one for the current version and one for the RC? version might work better. I have never fully understood why the ports had to be frozen anyway. Why can there not be two separate entities, the current version and the beta one? --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Many a bum show has been saved by the flag. George M. Cohan --Sig_/=WCke=U9b+O.eosTAAQbPbW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCzuIACgkQBvaKIJWWCO3ePACbBga2a+pf5AJlGZqYSImU7Gpc 0ugAoKR4aOxIskYXYoHMhF6+1wABFsaj =kWpp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/=WCke=U9b+O.eosTAAQbPbW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:54:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17031065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:54:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from nagual.nl (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [82.74.10.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746F58FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:54:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from westmark (westmark.nagual.nl [192.168.11.22]) by nagual.nl (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/yanta) with SMTP id mBCKsgIM008757 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:54:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:54:23 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20081212215423.e1cfe454.dick@nagual.nl> In-Reply-To: <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: de nagual X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.14.3; i386-pc-solaris2.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 192.168.11.35 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:54:31 -0000 On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true > reason they do this. > > With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly > there are thousands of hardware bugs. > > with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least > half of their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. Your talking about things without providing any evidence as usual. It's just bollocks. NVidia has fabulous 3dgraphics cards and their drivers work very very well. At least they do on solaris (32/64bit). -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv103 ++ + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:54:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406A01065687 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:54:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A338FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd7ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.161]) by pd7mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 13:54:48 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=fCDt2eMLAAAA:8 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=64zKFOMm1KrUyDtUegcA:9 a=rU50gNDNCzx1_y7WttQA:7 a=kMiRvePa9OfbQmySHvRtjnPyG-kA:4 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd7ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 13:54:48 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EB61701E for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:54:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:54:46 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212125446.13a4c186@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:54:49 -0000 On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true > reason they do this. > this is really interesting. so the 'trade secrets' is largely a smoke-screen. i imagine this would also apply to propriety software as well? this is an interesting article which supports this as well as some other matters: The open and closed case http://www.spider.tm/sep2006/cstory2.html "There are even reports of propriety software introducing new bugs or failing to resolve an existing one. Plus, in case of OSS there are no marketing tactics to be followed unlike closed source companies who may not reveal (or may not even know) the exact number of security flaws in their products." -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:57:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0649106568C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:57:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-319.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-319.bluehost.com [67.222.54.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EB498FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:57:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 8373 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 20:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 20:54:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=RsxnWk8VbNg79fswN92YYsvTn7oSO6x7VQzCNwMHIo4TI5osEk3ECwxOuqiKcbIAsgFRHbSW8WA7CzcruaKeN76NSiurpXMmoMlHRZfo2hZVA2wyUQE5HwJRJmTSrqNd; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBF3t-0003nM-K1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:56:37 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:56:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:56:14 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:57:16 -0000 --2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:44:27PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: > michael writes: >=20 > > why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m. >=20 > CP/? Poser. I want my TWENEX back. > :-) What do you have against ITS? --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Paul Graham: "Real ugliness is not harsh-looking syntax, but having to build programs out of the wrong concepts." --2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklCz+4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWv5gCfU947IbwbH2YcXDZEEM0HE7Tt u5QAnA2JKhwHfzzQ9SC36eI9aMOzWBQT =ZpEY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 20:58:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2874B1065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:58:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f12.google.com (mail-gx0-f12.google.com [209.85.217.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83DE8FC1D for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:58:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so1134310gxk.19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:58:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RrZB6rdl4JFmx6O4PlVB4pGlQ4Objw2NFCw891jaYzs=; b=PjP52wsdl+hr1OM2orurH1JBWjntEe/g28ta5NJpdLqSdvUoI+WLGvRDxdt8cfwFxC +tvUHcjsZ9S+YKJjAdiwLEdDtwdElPdZDO0Z64zRCCm4GwjTXu5z0RubJ9J/2v8lOleN 9F2cjPZQXO8KateF93zqbxVAEMpolYvBR9U2Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=v25/WINvocHQn6qsixdXdoNxWCgYhvnPIBHrT2fOiV1sYP53vhQqWUgklSI6Cv51T6 4PKjchvVrPkyAFp2udg2BgXwGJ8nHVWWhZK8ez2cZRdGlFckfEsR/vM9QKzYFXSzz2su vSngUxuTHyg5PsWRwbYtSoD90JWZyZWNmJ0VI= Received: by 10.64.249.6 with SMTP id w6mr3364392qbh.16.1229115516347; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.179.9 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:58:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0812121258l17de26e8x1340f3a39672d9ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:58:36 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Maxim Khitrov" In-Reply-To: <26ddd1750812121113o1590d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812121028m4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121113o1590d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Robert Huff , Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:58:38 -0000 Hi there, > For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When > that day comes (or same week perhaps), whoever has the ability to > change the release schedule page should update it regardless of what > happened. If RC2 builds started, that should be reflected in the I have offered to update the pages if it can help somehow. I cannot do more but I can do this at least. Yours, -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.faitrade.net.pl www.slowo.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:02:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFBC1065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:02:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-140.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-140.bluehost.com [67.222.39.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCD0D8FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:02:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 27856 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 21:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 21:02:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=iuWXEs3rMisjSvN6xvJFxOTzBlvstqPoP6k5zyD/0aM7igrvDp+j4gKPGHY7UJn5X7qcgo4FetpGglw6G29UiAuZ7jMAW4mlVfp6kxr4tVEN1Gj3gK56EHg6tychsuw7; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBF9j-0005ib-To for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:02:40 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:02:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:02:16 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212210216.GC37185@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212191512.G4492@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081212191512.G4492@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:02:41 -0000 --OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:15:35PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >cropping up and saying the equivalent of "If we work on that stuff, > >FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck." I disagree with > because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. Are you reading this, prad? --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Henry Spencer: "Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." --OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklC0VgACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWbKgCdFF2gz2sR92/faR9KgqFbVbsR 28kAoIQBLvoO3SfiE0v2Q5dUfNXSKmyA =1HnS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:11:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E3D106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:11:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-148.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-148.bluehost.com [67.222.38.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B9338FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:11:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 14575 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 21:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 21:11:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=WZx2LfOQiQEi0WGKlU6kEZ1bC/nUSMfOh2cKGEOKYR4ybNjSwmXR028NxbPUs4gS+6FaibkVApMn16r9eAV6uZgdqVgtj3Bgh5ZpPKFOEpLImRM6BbRGaRrJcXFGeWXl; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBFIN-00083Q-48 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:11:35 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:11:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:11:11 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NklN7DEeGtkPCoo3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:11:35 -0000 --NklN7DEeGtkPCoo3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:07:45AM -0800, prad wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > I don't recall anyone saying "I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD > > development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do > > anything about that at this time:". > >=20 > i don't either, but these development teams do exist: > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html > and so does a mechanism for initiating projects: > "If you feel that a project is missing, please send the URL and a short > description (3-10 lines) to www@FreeBSD.org." That is a much, much better response to questions about improving desktop-oriented functionality than the sort of thing I've been seeing lately from certain anti-lots-of-stuff people on this list: because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. That's not what I'd call a productive response, nor is it well supported. It doesn't serve as a viable argument -- it's just obstinate refusal to entertain the idea that functionality isn't bad just because its most obvious use is desktop-oriented. >=20 > and i guess as tyson explained there needs to be a balancing of limited > resources. There must always be such a balance -- but I don't see how that in any way prevents us from discussing whether the resources exist. >=20 > > On the other hand, their statements *do* imply that *my* position is > > illegitimate in some way > > > i don't think so. it's more along the lines of "we don't need this in > light of the priorities".=20 Actually, it's more like this: because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. >=20 > however, i do think michael powell makes a > very good point about "setting a very dangerous precedent" by ending up > allowing "third parties to have the ability to dictate to the devs > what code goes into FreeBSD?" I don't think anything I said suggests we let third parties dictate anything. Please point out where I suggested such a thing. We just need to make sure that we don't confuse "listening to suggestions and discussing their viability, and their technical pros and cons," with "taking orders from MS Windows users." >=20 > > Some people don't know that, and are basically told to go > > away by some people when they bring it up. Still other people > > suggest alternate approaches to fixing the problem, and are also > > basically told to go away, when a more appropriate response would be > > to say "I think you should talk to the people at the swfdec and gnash > > projects about that," in most cases. > >=20 > ok so here's a solution. whenever someone tells people to go away (i > don't think it has been done quite that way, but i see little point in > going into that here), surely others can point to those who are in the > appropriate projects. that way you have the choice of pursuing the > matter or seeking an alternative os.=20 Maybe not "quite that way", but the implication has, at times, been unmistakable. Of course, if someone points people at the appropriate venue for discussing something *after* someone else has said "FOAD", it may already be too late. My preference would be for people who don't have something productive to say, who only want to scare people away, to keep it to themselves. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth H. L. Mencken: "In this world of sin and sorrow, there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." --NklN7DEeGtkPCoo3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklC028ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWY3wCg0Ll6Ogc2yOkqspeHFYzQr2SW uKoAn2JnAXIQ6F2RdmqxXKofIi3/jCB4 =QuMv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NklN7DEeGtkPCoo3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:12:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E464106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4740B8FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so736314yxb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:12:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=97dZ94m6AjOed6QMrpumPEKyBPbhLfJLW1Lq4IWbg1M=; b=Kkp62Rd5XFwO+IIc/dKob75+6fVHU1jMvlHV9GaBitooO6fY9uxWmq/CfnHohMRFcB ly198Ebw2id6gowE3o9HJA8/0GvUd3Mj3Sxkm4ojC7VYS4QVko3M+Lr2zATsIm1nHtVv 2SqWKWK6kYYkHX0mN/gjJpgC8UWMsmf856RtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FS2Mkdefq4jMVaS2bYpDMmvC719YdRz3i9I7Xs1AWMaHEGSahPq3DwoLN6RZATqKm1 B5rcP5LJQZ9TuquyreKTHl3FGUtbx5fifeDyxoMVAF5gVoVpfCtX18hX0FNJ6SntMTG6 TxA7Dvl0RMcW8PLeRaFURgi9Qoo6mzlfDVJdg= Received: by 10.151.40.3 with SMTP id s3mr162135ybj.170.1229116333198; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?70.10.7.34? ([70.10.7.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p33sm4622117elf.8.2008.12.12.13.12.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:12:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4942D39F.7010704@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:11:59 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212191512.G4492@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212210216.GC37185@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20081212210216.GC37185@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:12:14 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:15:35PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> cropping up and saying the equivalent of "If we work on that stuff, >>> FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck." I disagree with >>> >> because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. >> > > Are you reading this, prad? > > i've forgotten what the original topic of this post is... on a side note, aix ftw. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:14:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AA8106567B for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-319.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-319.bluehost.com [67.222.54.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85C4D8FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 15005 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 21:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 21:12:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=jaQnM1jaI7PWmoQIc3YC+U6qEs2Q7Yq20FZ3uJumXRNn7DyZrNFI1s2F4rbyl5MXAgiSGL9fNunJqDpEX77RH5h8c1MbSHjf8OL/2yhf8gehjG00Lcn6W9j+qqOup/Re; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBFKr-0000I0-Sw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:14:10 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:13:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:13:46 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212211346.GE37185@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:14:10 -0000 --cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:35:46PM -0500, Michael Powell wrote: > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:05:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > > >> >So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated > >> >graphics is not an "improvement", and should therefore not be conside= red > >> >a worthy goal? > >>=20 > >> full support of open hardware standards is an requirement. > >>=20 > >> support for closed hardware standards isn't important. > >=20 > > I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware specs > > isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important. > >=20 >=20 > My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very dangerous > precedent if the solution involves allowing a third party commercial > enterprise to dictate features FreeBSD "must include" before they will > support it. I agree with you on that matter. Third parties like commercial hardware vendors should not be *dictating* FreeBSD design. I understand wanting to take a careful approach to working with hardware vendors, particularly when they make such demands. I just don't think that one hardware vendor saying something like that is a good reason to abandon all hope of 3D accelerated graphics support beyond what's already there. >=20 > In this case with NVidia and the amd64 3D driver let's say for sake of > argument the developers decide "we want the amd64 3D driver so let's > go ahead and add in abc_function() and xyz_function(). Later the situation > is repeated with ATI mandating that abc_function() or xyz_function() must > be altered to ATI's specs to get ATI 3D acceleration. Now you have two > commercial companies using FreeBSD as the mud puddle in a tug of > war game. >=20 > Do we really want third parties to have the ability to dictate to the devs > what code goes into FreeBSD? I have doubts that this is a good path. No, we don't. When did anyone say otherwise? --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth McCloctnick the Lucid: "The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hopping when a rock or a club will do." --cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklC1AoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVHlwCfTHlsBDVURO6XQ4W+8rJMc3cK L3YAoMdn9XOuDdOcqCq2ngbhSXVv2GAv =GxNc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:15:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63766106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:15:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBB58FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so736808yxb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:15:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=L4KSbLNlX35G7e3RiI/8070nPLNuY+qkolQSkAT2Wjs=; b=bUFxtt0d1kvhXJwQGo2TY0mtk+z5CkWNoWbOqHZeaS835c5CXS6W68fQnvhyTdaX0s oSl+NMcqFfUpSIuGLUlfSZR5WjY2i+lozcGValTRc0vFsVpKldHVGj2WDIxMjpMXfK/A /meo5U3RoLLTXmqV9OyorSIjOqiOFQ2NGMUjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M0iAlnL7TnN5VUltGLRU25o6326mhuU/eFxuBD+OjrKN0stHwngBBAS9PuQQQfT8Dw BkzGh0dIVeGi1V7PsEZzMWN3CGytF5IIqS7h6k44JTbolmb7pJPRF+FnLal0868uwFP1 Ng1+8M/oc0XcYKk4cZttek3GgvPmLXiMXX1Rs= Received: by 10.151.15.9 with SMTP id s9mr7090055ybi.70.1229116524193; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?70.10.7.34? ([70.10.7.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30sm4605180elf.12.2008.12.12.13.15.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:15:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:15:02 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chad Perrin References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ad X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:15:25 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:07:45AM -0800, prad wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 >> Chad Perrin wrote: >> >> >>> I don't recall anyone saying "I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD >>> development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do >>> anything about that at this time:". >>> >>> >> i don't either, but these development teams do exist: >> http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html >> and so does a mechanism for initiating projects: >> "If you feel that a project is missing, please send the URL and a short >> description (3-10 lines) to www@FreeBSD.org." >> > > That is a much, much better response to questions about improving > desktop-oriented functionality than the sort of thing I've been seeing > lately from certain anti-lots-of-stuff people on this list: > > because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. > > That's not what I'd call a productive response, nor is it well supported. > It doesn't serve as a viable argument -- it's just obstinate refusal to > entertain the idea that functionality isn't bad just because its most > obvious use is desktop-oriented. > > > >> and i guess as tyson explained there needs to be a balancing of limited >> resources. >> > > There must always be such a balance -- but I don't see how that in any > way prevents us from discussing whether the resources exist. > > > >>> On the other hand, their statements *do* imply that *my* position is >>> illegitimate in some way >>> >>> >> i don't think so. it's more along the lines of "we don't need this in >> light of the priorities". >> > > Actually, it's more like this: > > because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. > > > >> however, i do think michael powell makes a >> very good point about "setting a very dangerous precedent" by ending up >> allowing "third parties to have the ability to dictate to the devs >> what code goes into FreeBSD?" >> > > I don't think anything I said suggests we let third parties dictate > anything. Please point out where I suggested such a thing. We just need > to make sure that we don't confuse "listening to suggestions and > discussing their viability, and their technical pros and cons," with > "taking orders from MS Windows users." > > > >>> Some people don't know that, and are basically told to go >>> away by some people when they bring it up. Still other people >>> suggest alternate approaches to fixing the problem, and are also >>> basically told to go away, when a more appropriate response would be >>> to say "I think you should talk to the people at the swfdec and gnash >>> projects about that," in most cases. >>> >>> >> ok so here's a solution. whenever someone tells people to go away (i >> don't think it has been done quite that way, but i see little point in >> going into that here), surely others can point to those who are in the >> appropriate projects. that way you have the choice of pursuing the >> matter or seeking an alternative os. >> > > Maybe not "quite that way", but the implication has, at times, been > unmistakable. > > Of course, if someone points people at the appropriate venue for > discussing something *after* someone else has said "FOAD", it may already > be too late. My preference would be for people who don't have something > productive to say, who only want to scare people away, to keep it to > themselves. > > after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer after looking .. "freebsd - the power to serve" the motto isn't "the power to serve and run Far Cry" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:21:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01421065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9645D8FC19 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so737743yxb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:21:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YPRhL4X5V+vY4JEX2LDseEOBNwrhNdd7+juEhjJXrHs=; b=C+F0LQEmZZvqSujgPy0taBp3SaUld7xmu6OFl6ZdMxX3+zH6uxeNNDs2QZMWHe+S9D 8WcTJSV5Pn9XC9eBlnPnZP8ArJy84y+bUjmWk2vuBMl+m76lzRTqg5CpAZE0yl4NZycH Ik//QV/3jMeU1WBOLd/CTTPRqRXOJ4iY40qD8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SybovFde4/yOCEHFB91HxMZG9dRkugFrr+zZKGiZ/HxXQs+9hvajqpwHmIoYR5W3NR QuksFLtJwy6MWuqQK5QwtSnUoDQS+3Nes4D13IL0tpRJc6kn0Byeqt+BToJpWlQTW/bM q135uh2QsjCJ21Mf8fUCcybz5tIlAHzyPd4OY= Received: by 10.151.103.2 with SMTP id f2mr7098227ybm.50.1229116877662; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?70.10.7.34? ([70.10.7.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t26sm4603861ele.17.2008.12.12.13.21.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:21:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:21:04 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:21:19 -0000 has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech. I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? is ranting on here about those two things going to change 8.0 to be the next best gaming console? no. if you want to use freebsd on your desktop with 3D you can. just run i386. but this entire thread has gone down hill from the OP, and it is nonsense. you get a few more registers with 64bit and some more ram, big deal. show me a gaming console that needs more than four gigs of ram. its not a priority and it shouldn't be. this is a server class operating system that you CAN use on your desk if wanted. even linux in all its glory with an nvidia 64bit driver isn't all that great at gaming, i'm sorry its just not. its not that great with 3D modeling either(in house and proprietary software like maya do not count). > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:26:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59801106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:26:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-148.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-148.bluehost.com [67.222.38.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A63C8FC24 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:26:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 12489 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 21:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 21:25:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=FSzRyX4CxAeTdVS1ojUAsvb5TcNFYsEGSXEnTEHH5sBE8GTM8bFBSjrNSZiRzNeXKIn5dWrlYqoLrxEzjA2DQaz1yfMuktuGZyNBtMvTFLO1OyrfOR4LfXumWcwgfSRg; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBFWZ-0003oK-OS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:26:16 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:25:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:25:52 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AH+kv8CCoFf6qPuz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:26:16 -0000 --AH+kv8CCoFf6qPuz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 03:02:28PM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > >NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. > >this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers > >do make support for it. > > > >what is common today isn't normal. >=20 > I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable, and to develop them we'd need the hardware specs so we'd have a target toward which to develop drivers. Of course, "preferable" is my choice of term -- he seems to be more of the opinion that anything that isn't strictly open source should just be shunned, out of hand. While it would be nice if that was a practical option, it isn't really, at this point. >=20 > NVidia produces both the hardware and drivers for same. It requested > additions/changes to the basic FBSD system to enable their product to be > fully functional. Changes that it seems other manufacturers would also > need. At least four things need to be clarified: 1. Would the requested changes have a negative effect on system design in some way? 2. Would working on making those changes divert important resources from other, perhaps more important, projects? 3. Are the changes the same as what other hardware vendors would need before they could fully support FreeBSD, or are they different -- possibly even contradictory? If the latter, we need to consider whether such contradictions can be worked around without degrading the stability and performance characteristics of the system, and see what impact such work-arounds would have on the answer to question 2. 4. Is there any way we can talk them into helping us work on fully functional open source drivers, as AMD (which bought ATI) has promised to do for the Linux community? I don't know the answers to any of those four questions -- in part because discussion never gets past the "No! You'll destroy FreeBSD if you try to support that hardware!" stage of discussion. >=20 > Now, if FBSD has no intention of working with other hardware and/or > software manufacturers/authors, maybe it should just post a big "KEEP > OUT" sign on its web page. >=20 > I seriously doubt that NVidia, or any other manufacturer is about to > divulge trade secrets or patented information. What point would there > be in that anyway? It is certainly not necessary. What developer in > his/her right mind would be interested in making their product usable > on a FBSD system if they knew that they would have to divulge all of > their trade secrets, etc. Actually, patents are publicly documented by definition -- we're just not *allowed* to use it, once it has been patented, without permission. The sort of thing they don't want to divulge is trade secrets, which you meantioned -- not patents, which you also mentioned. For some reason, though, some hardware vendors seem inclined to use patents as an excuse for keeping secrets, which never made much sense to me. IANAL, though I read about the law from time to time. >=20 > Market share increases by making your product more accessible and usable > by a larger group of users. If FBSD wants to remain a 'niche' product > with limited support for third party products, then the question of why > FBSD is not more popular with hardware vendors has been answered. That's exactly what some people want -- though it's not a universal FreeBSD goal, obviously. --=20 Quoth Reginald Braithwaite: "Nor is it as easy as piling more features on regardless of how well they fit or whether people will actually use them. Otherwise Windows would have 97% of the market and OS X 3%. (Oh wait.)" --AH+kv8CCoFf6qPuz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklC1uAACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVE3QCggTLTuQx9Fhirkynxog73ivQc 4iIAn3Tu9ETcj1EOfA474B1JVW2VuHuN =qrCI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AH+kv8CCoFf6qPuz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:26:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD99106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from numail.brianwhalen.net (numail.brianwhalen.net [66.93.34.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47298FC1D for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D4F0F284FC; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:26:35 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on numail.brianwhalen.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (numail.brianwhalen.net [192.168.15.25]) by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9E2284D2 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:26:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4942D70C.7030505@brianwhalen.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:26:36 -0800 From: Brian Whalen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:26:37 -0000 michael wrote: > has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what > you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that > doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech. > I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? is ranting on here > about those two things going to change 8.0 to be the next best gaming > console? no. if you want to use freebsd on your desktop with 3D you > can. just run i386. but this entire thread has gone down hill from the > OP, and it is nonsense. you get a few more registers with 64bit and > some more ram, big deal. show me a gaming console that needs more than > four gigs of ram. its not a priority and it shouldn't be. this is a > server class operating system that you CAN use on your desk if wanted. > even linux in all its glory with an nvidia 64bit driver isn't all that > great at gaming, i'm sorry its just not. its not that great with 3D > modeling either(in house and proprietary software like maya do not > count). It is a great server OS. Perhaps some would like it to be a better desktop OS? PC BSD not good enough for some I suppose? You could always get a Mac and run the NIX underneath it when needed. Brian Decide what problem you want to solve, and then get the best tool for that problem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:35:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFC91065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9228FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCLZYh5005351; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:35:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCLZXtY005348; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:35:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:35:33 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: michael In-Reply-To: <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081212223433.O5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ad X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:52 -0000 >> >> because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. >> >> That's not what I'd call a productive response, nor is it well supported. what kind of productivity to you request from such topic. it doesn't have to be productive. it's just fact. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:42:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE18A106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A8D8FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so342885ele.17 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:42:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hGdgWBxgdwOKAHDgEYRHqPWrUMRPm42OluFB74DRdMc=; b=gwlGrs3Tk2cw57L+uSr0UGVyMOYoYG14lS4BbFD5cs21EA6cdpAeDm2KJq36pOQCup 3WUStR53BWM23tEr6HJbQIredRTjgnIjgSlOa3l26MVX7NY2oYE03wjxc6mIfIQLCkH5 O1th28pUzQoO0WwIRrK1nvZMd9+FhdUIknxy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uusBXQFPBsJTZG2mP3ZvA+WROD6ZLsr+bIgdjX+lq5XEpZx1nIlQ7xFdBL1Bpr5Qql 7rWrY9tX/Lb3vQIiKlWn+C4TWhTEUz1qiPGgx3tgkLoiAQiq4qxGRZH4LXSO4jZhnx/g ItrlIxubFD1jJ/bXiKGda0HAoaBO+2dhiIk1o= Received: by 10.151.108.13 with SMTP id k13mr1762496ybm.86.1229118121296; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?70.10.7.34? ([70.10.7.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p33sm4697093elf.8.2008.12.12.13.41.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:41:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4942DA9E.3070901@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:41:50 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Whalen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <4942D70C.7030505@brianwhalen.net> <4942D829.4080705@gmail.com> <4942D918.7060403@brianwhalen.net> In-Reply-To: <4942D918.7060403@brianwhalen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:42:02 -0000 Brian Whalen wrote: > michael wrote: >> >> >> Brian Whalen wrote: >>> michael wrote: >>>> has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered >>>> what you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os >>>> that doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and >>>> Wojciech. >>>> I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? is ranting on >>>> here about those two things going to change 8.0 to be the next best >>>> gaming console? no. if you want to use freebsd on your desktop with >>>> 3D you can. just run i386. but this entire thread has gone down >>>> hill from the OP, and it is nonsense. you get a few more registers >>>> with 64bit and some more ram, big deal. show me a gaming console >>>> that needs more than four gigs of ram. its not a priority and it >>>> shouldn't be. this is a server class operating system that you CAN >>>> use on your desk if wanted. even linux in all its glory with an >>>> nvidia 64bit driver isn't all that great at gaming, i'm sorry its >>>> just not. its not that great with 3D modeling either(in house and >>>> proprietary software like maya do not count). >>> >>> It is a great server OS. Perhaps some would like it to be a better >>> desktop OS? PC BSD not good enough for some I suppose? You could >>> always get a Mac and run the NIX underneath it when needed. >> apparently that isn't an option. i see this all the time in the free >> os market. i want, i want, i want, i want. hello, there are limited >> developers and they actually have lives outside of freebsd. >>> >>> Brian >>> Decide what problem you want to solve, and then get the best tool >>> for that problem >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > no doubt, unless we get the multimillion dollar donation like ibm did > for linux, it is what it is. I like it, it works for me, but I really > can't do more than ask for things since I don't write code. I do QA > work, that is about as close as I get. > > Brian that would be possible if freebsd ran a bit better on power or powerpc based machines. would also help if it had 15 trillion monkey developers like linux. i can't even get freebsd running on a ppc card in a power server. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:46:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7DD1065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBC78FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCLk4sG005366; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:46:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCLk35i005363; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:46:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:46:03 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: michael In-Reply-To: <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:46:14 -0000 > I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about: - KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody) BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this, except KDE/Gnome/whatever can be run on it - support of flash in Opera/Firefox/Whatever again BECAUSE WWW BROWSER ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD. - support of new/hot (literally)/super/extra graphics cards from NVidia. BECAUSE Xorg IS NOT PART OF FREEBSD. While IMHO full graphics support (graphics support, not GUI) should be part of kernel as driver, it isn't. As NVidia card Xorg module does need some kernel wrapper (no idea why) - then there is nothing wrong for interested people to write it as ADD ON/PORT. - asking about bloat level, visual apperance comparision etc. between FreeBSD with KDE and Windoze. because KDE ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD, and FreeBSD on it's own doesn't have (fortunately) any "desktop environment" so it can't be compared. if someone like to compare KDE with windoze - OK but NOT THIS GROUP! SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers "lame" but all that is off topic. Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 21:51:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5DC106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:51:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992388FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCLpNHo005384; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:51:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCLpM0Z005381; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:51:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:51:22 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081212224715.P5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:51:37 -0000 >> by a larger group of users. If FBSD wants to remain a 'niche' product >> with limited support for third party products, then the question of why >> FBSD is not more popular with hardware vendors has been answered. > > That's exactly what some people want -- though it's not a universal > FreeBSD goal, obviously. there are nothing to stop nvidia to write their kernel module as they like. they may do it good, bad, whatever, just it should be ADD ON. it can't cost very much, while there will be larger market for their product. if they don't like, simply don't buy their hardware and request others to write it. 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Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. >> >> so not "right" but interoperable. if i do have only unix systems in >> LAN, >> NIS is much better easier and faster. > > No, it really is right if you want to authenticate email, radius, etc > off of LDAP. NIS doesn't do that. Really! I guess I didn't know that before I used it for all those. > > >> >> for windows-only LAN with unix server, simply using samba is OK. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 22:38:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB9A1065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:38:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rand15616@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards3.yandex.ru (forwards3.yandex.ru [213.180.223.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24618FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:38:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rand15616@yandex.ru) Received: from webmail12.yandex.ru (webmail12.yandex.ru [213.180.223.101]) by forwards3.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id A692A4C509B; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:29 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]:45002 "EHLO localhost" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S2277395AbYLLW20 (ORCPT + 1 other); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:26 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Received: from [77.241.45.156] ([77.241.45.156]) by mail.yandex.ru with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:26 +0300 From: Usr Random To: "Chad Perrin" In-Reply-To: <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:26 +0300 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:38:34 -0000 Hi dear sirs! Correct please if me wrong, but as i know the source tree of FreeBSD already split into two parts - Servers-oriented (FreeBSD) and PC-BSD (Desktop oriented) ? Or team from PC-BSD is not FreeBSD peoples? WBR From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 23:13:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15F3106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:13:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125638FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl179-214.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.0.214]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBCNCr9l007705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:12:59 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCNCrs6087552; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:12:53 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBCNCqTZ087515; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:12:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:12:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:46:03 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87myf1dm2z.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBCNCr9l007705 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.86, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: michael , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:13:02 -0000 On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:46:03 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > if someone like to compare KDE with windoze - OK but NOT THIS GROUP! Hold the topic censorship horses there a bit... The freebsd-questions list is a general discussion forum where FreeBSD users exchange opinions, help, support and news about _anything_ that is even a bit related to FreeBSD. We don't discourage people from talking about KDE at _all_; we just redirect them to freebsd-kde@ where the discussion is more topical :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 23:15:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27321065677 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:15:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A718FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:15:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl179-214.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.0.214]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBCNExmp007780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:15:04 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCNExtO091360; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:14:59 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBCNEwEs091310; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:14:58 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Usr Random References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:14:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> (Usr Random's message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:26 +0300") Message-ID: <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBCNExmp007780 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.057, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL -0.26, BAYES_00 -2.60, DEAR_SOMETHING 1.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:15:13 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:26 +0300, Usr Random wrote: > Hi dear sirs! > > Correct please if me wrong, but as i know the source tree of FreeBSD > already split into two parts - Servers-oriented (FreeBSD) and PC-BSD > (Desktop oriented) ? Or team from PC-BSD is not FreeBSD peoples? WBR Not really, no. There is _nothing_ that is inherently "server oriented" about the main FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't "split" to anything of the sort. The PC-BSD team is a separate team that develops PC-BSD. Collaboration between the two teams is, of course, more than welcome and it _does_ happen already. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 23:22:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFDF1065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CCA8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBCNMFtm005669; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBCNMFAG005666; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Usr Random , Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:22:30 -0000 > There is _nothing_ that is inherently "server oriented" about the main > FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't "split" to anything of the sort. exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented! everything else depends on what you install. that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list - to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 23:22:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCEB1065670 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:22:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nrml@att.net) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CEDF58FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nrml@att.net) Received: (qmail 25373 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 22:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Inbox) (nrml@68.29.164.161 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 22:56:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: khUo8vkVM1lTQY0wO9Ry5iOhrCRNuEocnqLXCkswY5WwapGcmfTWcajgHHUikvLlsHalA9UJo6o.cJg.r8lJPDs1SfsxcacbbxrZXFSTuCjwzWbVDqNZrKxdWuxMYIN.LZD1JQFV_aPd9.WYIUIpPPUn X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 content-class: From: Gabe Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:56:30 -0800 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 To: Odhiambo Washington , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Message-Id: <20081212232258.CEDF58FC08@mx1.freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: RE: Double Posts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:22:59 -0000 Its a conspiracy. Is it safe to say that it is in fact gmail related? -----Original Message----- From: Odhiambo Washington Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:41 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Double Posts On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:38:17 -0500 > "Gary Hartl" wrote: > > >Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message > >posted to the group? > > > >It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am > >aware of) > > > >I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. > > > >Thanks > > > >Gary > > Consider yourself lucky. I have been reading horror stories on the > GMail forum regarding users losing email. In any event, if it just > started and you did not change MUAs, it is almost guaranteed to be a > Google (GMail) problem. By the way, are you using IMAP or POP? Hmm, this disappearing e-mails issue: I experienced it today. 2 test mails from my gmail account, to a mailing list where I am member, I see the mails sent to a gmail server from the logs of my mailing list server, but the mails failed to show up on my gmail account, Completely!! --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, unlike our MPs!" -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 23:41:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7B51065672 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BF2A8FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63185 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 23:41:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Iz638jOYPf8DlnGXJrSvdbn1csE8+yTzCmnwCGzkjmvaN4rs2Ws0Gv4v4bRWuxuoMQGW4+LA1ja1B+H/DViFRstWlEY96gx/+2DcdZNHiZPT8FLkZ3Z5nXDwVnE4mPQY+FiNcBvRh6PH9opeQgnRjeht0NAxin1YERo4aXkddI4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 23:41:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RrrApx0VM1kikrd_3A7arXxxou8bVdWEWGcryFGKGJ3dprb7rqEfks94TvEHrPKFaaCWmX7y5zOccC2JZ2AZssqUWVoejt99OCCoLuaXS41WcXj3xI_lpAha9AKL1qpkY0elEPT1szk_jCeXwCzAhbtuhzTQheUNuQTyuhjjrIvXVg4VnpBw4W0fY6NtZ0BDOGZfuWgMvK4HH7M8gW0Pw_nB X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:41:41 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212184141.561b5f04@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081212232258.CEDF58FC08@mx1.freebsd.org> References: <20081212232258.CEDF58FC08@mx1.freebsd.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/iV9b1YCtzX3d6NBRYxAHis_"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Double Posts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:41:57 -0000 --Sig_/iV9b1YCtzX3d6NBRYxAHis_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:56:30 -0800 Gabe wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Odhiambo Washington >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:41 PM >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Double Posts > >On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Jerry wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:38:17 -0500 >> "Gary Hartl" wrote: >> >> >Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message >> >posted to the group? >> > >> >It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am >> >aware of) >> > >> >I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. >> > >> >Thanks >> > >> >Gary >> >> Consider yourself lucky. I have been reading horror stories on the >> GMail forum regarding users losing email. In any event, if it just >> started and you did not change MUAs, it is almost guaranteed to be a >> Google (GMail) problem. By the way, are you using IMAP or POP? > > >Hmm, this disappearing e-mails issue: I experienced it today. 2 test >mails from my gmail account, to a mailing list where I am member, I >see the mails sent to a gmail server from the logs of my mailing list >server, but the mails failed to show up on my gmail account, >Completely!! > >Its a conspiracy. Is it safe to say that it is in fact gmail related? Please don't 'top post'. If you don't know what that means, Google for it. As far as GMail is concerned, just perusal some of the posts on their mail forum. Mail disappearing and/or being delayed for 7 days, etc. Why anyone uses that piece of crap mail system is beyond me. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Reality always seems harsher in the early morning. --Sig_/iV9b1YCtzX3d6NBRYxAHis_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklC9sIACgkQBvaKIJWWCO1bhwCgodfPKvqfCLFl7dGWqLDjHESI ybcAnjLtpEdydI+BQNJZ4AOBJT8Q95Hz =t8Kg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/iV9b1YCtzX3d6NBRYxAHis_-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 00:29:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186AE1065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C41B8FC1B for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:29:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl7-22.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.134.22]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBD0Suht024868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:29:01 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBD0SupY095702; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:28:56 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBD0Stc0095701; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:28:55 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:28:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <877i64c3zt.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBD0Suht024868 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.294, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Usr Random , Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:29:13 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> There is _nothing_ that is inherently "server oriented" about the main >> FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't "split" to anything of the sort. > > exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented! > > everything else depends on what you install. > > that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that > list That's a logical leap I am not comfortable with. Back when I posted my first question here, some time during the summer of 1999, it seemed very nice that older FreeBSD users replied to my questions without chastising me for being "off topic". It seems natural to return the favor now, and reply to *all* questions that I can help with; even if their relation to FreeBSD is very 'weak'. The spirit of replying to all questions, even if they are similar to ``How do I process images with a Photoshop-like program on FreeBSD?'', or even ``Windows lets me use FOO and do BAR. Is there something like this in FreeBSD?'', seems to be one of the *good* aspects of this list. Why should we destroy that good aspect by introducing moderation? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 02:00:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80031065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A228FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mBD1tE16047498; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:55:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mBD1tEXN047497; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:55:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:55:14 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20081213015514.GA47452@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <877i64c3zt.fsf@kobe.laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877i64c3zt.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Usr Random Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:00:44 -0000 On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 02:28:54AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> There is _nothing_ that is inherently "server oriented" about the main > >> FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't "split" to anything of the sort. > > > > exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented! > > > > everything else depends on what you install. > > > > that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that > > list > > That's a logical leap I am not comfortable with. > > Back when I posted my first question here, some time during the summer > of 1999, it seemed very nice that older FreeBSD users replied to my > questions without chastising me for being "off topic". It seems natural > to return the favor now, and reply to *all* questions that I can help > with; even if their relation to FreeBSD is very 'weak'. > > The spirit of replying to all questions, even if they are similar to > ``How do I process images with a Photoshop-like program on FreeBSD?'', > or even ``Windows lets me use FOO and do BAR. Is there something like > this in FreeBSD?'', seems to be one of the *good* aspects of this list. > > Why should we destroy that good aspect by introducing moderation? A voice of wisdom! But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL or whatever. Anyway, those example questions you used above are really FreeBSD questions of a sort, (even if kind of newbie-ish and maybe more rightfully belonging on a newbie list) and don't hurt anyone by showing up on the questions list. ////jerry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 02:37:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8D11065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB85F8FC18 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 84022 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2008 02:10:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=11J802p7AkrAQXCaqeD2e6KwBWV6LiEB5Hstlmns8zcWe9PxGF3XaJoL8eV3p7MCBHjTVJT/JXPowFBCe0FMv155iNUrCjSohxpEF73RPFghSRaTPk05egKBODFPTWm2oLh0nDxcJ4Q3W9XVO9uDQp4jL3sfbtHMj18O46g+17M= ; Received: from unknown (HELO napoleon.local) (mike.jeays@99.224.75.182 with login) by smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 02:10:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JMCpp0wVM1ns4MX6mo8PA9oSYRCX0grlwoH66b1QvHdlRrHwfSQ36uu8iwgumtWA3A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:10:39 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <877i64c3zt.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <877i64c3zt.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812122110.39991.mike.jeays@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:23 -0000 On December 12, 2008 07:28:54 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> There is _nothing_ that is inherently "server oriented" about the main > >> FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't "split" to anything of the sort. > > > > exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented! > > > > everything else depends on what you install. > > > > that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that > > list > > That's a logical leap I am not comfortable with. > > Back when I posted my first question here, some time during the summer > of 1999, it seemed very nice that older FreeBSD users replied to my > questions without chastising me for being "off topic". It seems natural > to return the favor now, and reply to *all* questions that I can help > with; even if their relation to FreeBSD is very 'weak'. > > The spirit of replying to all questions, even if they are similar to > ``How do I process images with a Photoshop-like program on FreeBSD?'', > or even ``Windows lets me use FOO and do BAR. Is there something like > this in FreeBSD?'', seems to be one of the *good* aspects of this list. > > Why should we destroy that good aspect by introducing moderation? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Agreed. The noise level on this list is quite low, and off-topic threads get discouraged after a few iterations. I would NOT be in favour of moderation - I like it the way it is. -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 02:37:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724B01065687 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445AD8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 17256 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2008 02:37:35 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Dec 2008 02:37:34 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFC25084D; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id A71391CDDB; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:37:28 -0500 (EST) To: "Valentin Bud" References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:37:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> (Valentin Bud's message of "Fri\, 12 Dec 2008 15\:27\:24 +0200") Message-ID: <44bpvgby1j.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:38 -0000 "Valentin Bud" writes: > If you only have UNIX systems in LAN. But in my case i have Linux + FreeBSD > (server). From the handbook > NIS only works between FBSDs. Am i missing something? Apparently. Quoting the Handbook: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an industry standard; all major UNIX like systems (Solaris, HP-UX, AIX(R), Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc) support NIS. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 03:09:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03D51065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C201C8FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 30055 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2008 03:09:31 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Dec 2008 03:09:31 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F7A50820; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 036171CE15; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:09:26 -0500 (EST) To: "Valentin Bud" References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <139b44430812120437m732f7433od324109b3c9505aa@mail.gmail.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:09:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: <139b44430812120437m732f7433od324109b3c9505aa@mail.gmail.com> (Valentin Bud's message of "Fri\, 12 Dec 2008 14\:37\:16 +0200") Message-ID: <44tz98ahzt.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:09:32 -0000 "Valentin Bud" writes: > handbook but as you guys said it's FBSD only Well, aside from other Unix-like systems. Certainly Linux, MacOS, anything from Sun (which invented it), all the other BSDs, Ultrix, and probably anything else that ends in 'ix'. It might be a bit tricky to get running with VMS or Windows, but Samba should clean bridge that gap for you. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 03:09:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895F11065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6041B8FC18 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 4998 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2008 02:39:56 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Dec 2008 02:39:56 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AA850820; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id C2DF71CDD7; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:39:50 -0500 (EST) To: fixer References: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:39:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> (fixer's message of "Fri\, 12 Dec 2008 01\:59\:13 -0700") Message-ID: <447i64bxxl.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: USB Flash Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:09:38 -0000 fixer writes: > FreeBSD localhost 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 > 11:05:30 UTC 2007 > root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 > localhost# > > > I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. > I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD does, > I need instructions on "how-to-use". Thanks in advance for anyone who > can help. Rather than mounting the disks, I find it easier to use the "mtools" port (emulators/mtools). The commands look like the old ms-dos commands, and include a copy command. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 03:28:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355CA106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0016C8FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd2ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.134]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 20:28:17 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=GUGeTS8pSHjDODNhImUA:9 a=V3SwNAunzYD_VXOzCvzMPyGLHUYA:4 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd2ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 20:28:17 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952871701A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:28:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:28:16 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212192816.7f9f6901@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <877i64c3zt.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <877i64c3zt.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:28:18 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:28:54 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > It seems natural > to return the favor now, and reply to *all* questions that I can help > with; even if their relation to FreeBSD is very 'weak'. > i think that is both very generous, appropriate and in keeping with the spirit of freebsd. beastie is after all a daemon would be pleased :) -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 04:17:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6962A1065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521898FC1B for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.174.57]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:17:28 -0800 Message-ID: <49433787.805@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:18:15 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <000401c95ae1$7b1ab8a0$715029e0$@com> <20081211162727.GA67210@orion.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20081211162727.GA67210@orion.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2008 04:17:28.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5D12110:01C95CD9] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Gary Hartl Subject: Re: update packages or reinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:17:36 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: > Gary Hartl said: >> I'm considering just wiping the system clean and starting from scratch to >> say either 6.4-release or 7.0 release. >> > > For what it's worth, I've (so far) had 50% luck with 7.1. My home server runs nothing special, mostly development stuff and the occasional X session. I attempted to upgrade to 7.1 from 6.3-STABLE yesterday, and to make a long story short, am now running 6.4-RELEASE. > > If you do decide to go with 7.1, I'd test drive it first, before committing that machine to that OS. So far, I've had no problems with 6.4-* on any of my machines. > > Regards, > I installed 7.0 from scratch and its rock hard. 7.1 release may be 6 months or longer away from being released and its not completely tested yet or ready for production. Make backups of your data on 6.4 you want to move forward and install 7.0 from scratch. Nothing is better that a brand new system to add your ports to. Use pkg_add -r command to add your ports. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 04:22:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31AC1065676 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:22:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C031E8FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:22:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB466AFC1FF; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:22:50 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:18:59 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200812110911.27184.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <20081211064010.1756fde5@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081211064010.1756fde5@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812130518.59662.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Subject: Re: How to block NIS logins via ssh? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:22:52 -0000 On Thursday 11 December 2008 12:40:10 Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:11:26 +0100 > > Mel wrote: .... > >6) Disable password based logins and use keys only. > > Personally, I have always used 'keys' instead of passwords. Given > enough time and resources, any password can be cracked. I really do not > understand why so many users insist on using passwords anyway. 2 reasons: - It's the default - Less hassle getting access from a new account. It's the first thing I disable as well. I have machines I don't even know my local password for. Key on a flash card so I can get access from any new machine with an USB port. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 04:35:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB6F1065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:35:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349EF8FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:35:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.174.57]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:35:17 -0800 Message-ID: <49433BB4.3080807@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:36:04 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabe References: <20081212232258.CEDF58FC08@mx1.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20081212232258.CEDF58FC08@mx1.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2008 04:35:18.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[334DD870:01C95CDC] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Double Posts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:35:25 -0000 Gabe wrote: > Its a conspiracy. Is it safe to say that it is in fact gmail related? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Odhiambo Washington > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:41 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Double Posts > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Jerry wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:38:17 -0500 >> "Gary Hartl" wrote: >> >>> Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message >>> posted to the group? >>> >>> It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am >>> aware of) >>> >>> I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Gary >> Consider yourself lucky. I have been reading horror stories on the >> GMail forum regarding users losing email. In any event, if it just >> started and you did not change MUAs, it is almost guaranteed to be a >> Google (GMail) problem. By the way, are you using IMAP or POP? > > > Hmm, this disappearing e-mails issue: I experienced it today. 2 test mails > from my gmail account, to a mailing list where I am member, I see the mails > sent to a gmail server from the logs of my mailing list server, but the > mails failed to show up on my gmail account, Completely!! > I canceled my gmail account because its so un-reliable. Goggle should not enter the field of online email. They have a good search engine but their email system is the worse i have ever seen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 05:05:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EACF1065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:05:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6228FC2C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:05:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBD4PPNQ043205 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mBD4PP7P043202 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:25:25 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:25:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: Subject: What is trying to write to a write-protected memory card? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:05:26 -0000 Thunar (xfce 4.4) along with hal has no problem automounting an SD card... unless that card is write-protected. There's a delay while the system tries and thinks it fails to mount the card--twice. Eject the card and the system reboots as if it was mounted. Try a clean shutdown and the system eventually gives up with one buffer remaining. Is it Thunar trying to write something to the card, or hal, or something else? -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:10:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DD9106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7688FC1A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id mBD9Afvr053519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:10:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id mBD9AfXe053518; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA00619; Sat, 13 Dec 08 01:00:32 PST Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:03:39 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: michael.copeland@gmail.com Message-Id: <49437a6b.UDOGOuQZN1pqH+/y%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: perrin@apotheon.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:10:44 -0000 > after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this > answer after looking .. > "freebsd - the power to serve" Might one reasonably surmise that "the power to serve" implies doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers, FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database servers, ssh servers, even - gasp - X11 servers? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:13:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B061065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2C08FC22 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBD9DCP4008805; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:13:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBD9DCJS008802; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:13:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:13:12 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <49437a6b.UDOGOuQZN1pqH+/y%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Message-ID: <20081213101250.D8801@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> <49437a6b.UDOGOuQZN1pqH+/y%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: michael.copeland@gmail.com, perrin@apotheon.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:13:27 -0000 >> "freebsd - the power to serve" > > Might one reasonably surmise that "the power to serve" implies > doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers, > FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database servers, ssh > servers, even - gasp - X11 servers? so what's wrong. it runs well any program. of course it won't run well bad program - it's natural. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:15:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944E61065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B97A8FC1C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBD9FEJ6008824; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:15:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBD9FDkq008821; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:15:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:15:13 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Warren Block In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081213101426.R8801@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is trying to write to a write-protected memory card? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:15:22 -0000 > Thunar (xfce 4.4) along with hal has no problem automounting an SD card... > unless that card is write-protected. > > There's a delay while the system tries and thinks it fails to mount the > card--twice. Eject the card and the system reboots as if it was mounted. > Try a clean shutdown and the system eventually gives up with one buffer > remaining. > > Is it Thunar trying to write something to the card, or hal, or something > else? > most probably your automounter mounts everything r/w and don't know that card is write protected. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:15:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6D010656DD for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:15:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from renat@maps.mi.ru) Received: from maps.mi.ru (fo198.i1.mi.ru [89.184.1.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B6E8FC18 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from renat@maps.mi.ru) Received: from [192.200.100.33] ([192.200.100.33]) by maps.mi.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBD8ZN8k059550 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:35:23 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from renat@maps.mi.ru) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:39:39 +0300 From: Renat X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1013558171.20081213113939@maps.mi.ru> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on maps.mi.ru X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Renat List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:15:56 -0000 Hello! Can't upgrade from 6.3 to 6.4 with freebsd-update. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE install No updates are available to install. Run 'freebsd-update.sh fetch' first. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 6.3-RELEASE-p6. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. --- I probe with manual: Upraded stoped with error. If I download manually 1 have a No updates needed to update system to 6.3-RELEASE-p6. Thanks Renat. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:18:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F161065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:18:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3DE8FC1B for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.3/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id mBD98O3A033165 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:08:24 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 164 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F229389DD2 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:08:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id DA33D3D; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:08:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:08:22 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213090822.GA97581@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.164]); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:08:24 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8751/Sat Dec 13 04:47:53 2008 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at jchkmail2.jussieu.fr with ID 49435F8C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 49435F8C.002/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 49435F8C.002 on jchkmail2.jussieu.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.022 -> S=0.022 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:18:34 -0000 Lowell Gilbert wrote: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an industry standard; all major UNIX like systems (Solaris, HP-UX, AIX(R), Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc) support NIS. I work i am in a mostly Linux shop managed by NIS. However my machines are under FreeBSD and i have no problem getting the NIS info. The only gotcha is that, under Linux you have 2 files for passwds /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, while under FreeBSD you have just one /etc/master.passwd. So you need to run NIS in compatibility mode on the Linux server, so that passwd and shadow are "concatenated". Securitywise it is the same since in any case the shadow information flows on the wire, ready to be captured by a scannner. The main problem with NIS, in my opinion, is that, when the NIS server(s) are down (it always occur once or twice a year here), all the clients are completely frozen immediately, so if you want high availability, better copy the passwd files on each client directly and not use a network server like that. Our previous sysadm had written a couple of replication scripts which worked very well this way. The present one reverted to NIS with this small inconvenient. Replication requires that you only modify passwd files on the server, like with NIS, and then, as soon as a modification is detected, files are propagated on all clients. This is extremely easy to achieve, and *much* more efficient, networkwise than using a thing like NIS or LDAP, where each client is constantly polling the server to get information about home directories, tilde expansions,etc. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:18:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F656106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-117.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-117.bluehost.com [69.89.22.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C69D8FC19 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 27354 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 09:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 09:18:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=OHNK3lkvFsy6RcxdJMo2ENjECqBgs1oUGmVdb49dgg8mSVQO/Q7On0thrEI2zI4AFr+MuS2GHlWNhuX1X2b26DsSts17EMb5d1nYKfHxLpFBA6dG6ObskNG5vIO6LJhB; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBQeA-0007AP-8O for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:18:50 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:18:25 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:18:25 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213091825.GB39031@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <877i64c3zt.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213015514.GA47452@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <86bpvgmrma.fsf@nowhere.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86bpvgmrma.fsf@nowhere.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:18:50 -0000 --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:00:45AM +0000, Glyn Millington wrote: > Jerry McAllister writes: >=20 >=20 > > But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach > > newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just > > repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL > > or whatever. >=20 > Or even "why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to be back in the day?" >=20 > As a newcomer to FreeBSD (who will never be a programmer or serious > sysadmin) I'm grateful for the firm but fair approach taken here by most > people, for the toleration of my occasional inanities, and for helpful > answers.=20 >=20 > I'm also grateful to Chad for helping me look at again at Compiz-fusion - > I prefer fvwm myself, but CF IS gorgeous, no doubt about it, and my > eleven year old thinks its cool :-)=20 Thanks for expressing your appreciation. I don't have any interest in using Compiz Fusion in my day to day life, either, but it sure is an eye opener and fun to look at every once in a while. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth James Madison: "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklDfeEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU6ywCeMNqRUfC5WKnrpHbG8ZjZtIlm RjIAni781jeRVKrECtrt0D81BMe8GNa4 =LD4y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:18:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7CC1065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:18:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8108FC26 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBD9Ii91008839; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:18:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBD9IgDp008836; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:18:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:18:42 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mike Jeays In-Reply-To: <200812122110.39991.mike.jeays@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20081213101542.W8801@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <877i64c3zt.fsf@kobe.laptop> <200812122110.39991.mike.jeays@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:18:53 -0000 >> The spirit of replying to all questions, even if they are similar to >> ``How do I process images with a Photoshop-like program on FreeBSD?'', >> or even ``Windows lets me use FOO and do BAR. Is there something like >> this in FreeBSD?'', seems to be one of the *good* aspects of this list. it is bad aspect, just it got more severe last times. >> >> Why should we destroy that good aspect by introducing moderation? i want to destroy bad things and keep discussion on topic. now it's MAYBE 1 post on-topic and 20 off-topic. at least. i don't mean blocking it completely, but on THAT list which is "questions about FreeBSD". Not "questions about millions of programs available for unix". if "questions about various unix programs running under FreeBSD" list will be created, i will be a place for that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:19:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19E71065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCEB8FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:19:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBD9JVY2008850; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:19:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBD9JUOV008847; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:19:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:19:30 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200812130518.59662.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Message-ID: <20081213101905.D8801@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200812110911.27184.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <20081211064010.1756fde5@scorpio> <200812130518.59662.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to block NIS logins via ssh? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:19:36 -0000 >> enough time and resources, any password can be cracked. I really do not when enough time is somehow like lifetime of a star ;) (unless you choose bad passwords). >> understand why so many users insist on using passwords anyway. > > 2 reasons: > - It's the default > - Less hassle getting access from a new account. > > It's the first thing I disable as well. I have machines I don't even know my > local password for. Key on a flash card so I can get access from any new > machine with an USB port. > > -- > Mel > > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules > and never get to the software part. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:21:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4191065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-27.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-27.bluehost.com [69.89.17.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2737A8FC1F for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 4595 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 09:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 09:21:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=e6neKq427J/IvX/yfk0Kq6E6GLWFguS8mmtqMcgasAk/c+lXRh+2YkTqbRoB6FD6i+l6Xvoo2zc2p/kkDzTyZyoA36u6DL/NorNhZlCYoj0LC5gCb3oFyuuyGy2ABva9; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBQgj-0007nv-Sr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:21:30 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:21:04 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:21:04 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5QAgd0e35j3NYeGe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:21:30 -0000 --5QAgd0e35j3NYeGe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:22:15AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >There is _nothing_ that is inherently "server oriented" about the main > >FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't "split" to anything of the sort. >=20 > exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented! >=20 > everything else depends on what you install. >=20 > that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list = -=20 > to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD. Moderation, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a scalpel. One should always be wary of its use where even the slightest error might result in significant loss of value. Interestingly, my random signature generator seems to have something to say about this topic as well. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Jon Postel, RFC 761: "[B]e conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others." --5QAgd0e35j3NYeGe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklDfoAACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWjWACfSyjNBRcs4F080UVaSj2gTb8A ZVMAoL7N/NJRm5tAA3dQM/EjgbrWXlA+ =hoh0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5QAgd0e35j3NYeGe-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:25:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D1E1065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-117.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-117.bluehost.com [69.89.22.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5D978FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 1706 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 09:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 09:25:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=QCW5KSrbFhooCttW9DN47g0NozdU5OAjpSkRs/3n5Mu376W/S70YLd9z2WfH0qqKv9rf66MalV7eJIP1iVuozpLouUkTzoQU3K7TLmW0edIfj+V2WAG7UGU0OxCbqCeG; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBQkZ-0000Nm-NN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:25:27 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:25:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:25:02 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213092502.GD39031@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: ad X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:25:27 -0000 --4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 04:15:02PM -0500, michael wrote: >=20 > after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer after= =20 > looking .. > "freebsd - the power to serve" >=20 > the motto isn't "the power to serve and run Far Cry" That's about the weakest damned "argument" I've seen in a long time. Also . . . it appears that, after reading all these posts, you've forgotten how to crop quotes. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Power corrupts. The command line corrupts absolutely. --4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklDf24ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVnCQCgu5wXwL6ddKGDaEzsA6VeJpmM vIcAoNQrQGeR8RKIE4nohM0rM+pbS2Yn =e/Vs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4zI0WCX1RcnW9Hbu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:25:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1051065680 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:25:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-154.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-154.bluehost.com [67.222.39.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 39A878FC28 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:25:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 8255 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 09:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 09:25:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=CeiX2VyU109d+hEFLOuCxNTmyhtkRKn79WEqAF1wWGRkiGpAuDrTquLvGqudU9C+ZPy64JEoUDghCeUkZ02a286K70OzomQkof4X4sfF54eL0C1F7nzrAHbT2ux+t+Nj; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBQkq-0000UM-TK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:25:45 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:25:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:25:19 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213092519.GE39031@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> <20081212223433.O5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HeFlAV5LIbMFYYuh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081212223433.O5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: ad X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:25:45 -0000 --HeFlAV5LIbMFYYuh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:35:33PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. > >> > >>That's not what I'd call a productive response, nor is it well supporte= d. >=20 > what kind of productivity to you request from such topic. it doesn't have= =20 > to be productive. it's just fact. Saying it doesn't make it so. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] O'Rourke's Circumcision Precept: You can take 10 percent off the top of anything. --HeFlAV5LIbMFYYuh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklDf38ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVv1QCfTKE6gPbJZCOLUCR/fUWuohV6 UCUAnj+OAI1mEg4MIrSNlBgiJwuvh0Zt =t42n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HeFlAV5LIbMFYYuh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:28:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696711065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02AC8FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so299364nfh.33 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JDexei0RYWIjT1EOMtQrEbntEmRIUjwUHEstLIWTj+Q=; b=jJJExRu1O3VPc5T/zcM15EXwLcqNO7CyNPNYq/QfpBoWrbzYFBrTJVO1PY4JCr18BT 0MKUfJDvEv8NBsCxKk5z7hyaL/TbR+b/3y38m0JQghURdeDCkKDjKKz/dBwmMfLgkyL4 EhgggjaBCaJiZVgjJTnhwmXDp2Om9RUpn27kA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vSx0eUv1xjj83E5V3e1SMG5KWQodkmxFGi35hnXeXjK7DtkY1qnJjMQrI2NuPRVeRN 3KPAann+pGBgBnSZDk5EY46Jd1auhGqx/bQBsIOXXHGwSmAqHvVfZC8jETnp1oWrAv7e 0KuBBVQUw0lk5IfRSBYyZTWgWgLEOeD0doLxo= Received: by 10.210.90.10 with SMTP id n10mr5191300ebb.199.1229160480825; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-323937.home.otenet.gr [85.72.120.255]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm548121eyb.11.2008.12.13.01.27.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4943801E.1000306@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:27:58 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Renat References: <1013558171.20081213113939@maps.mi.ru> In-Reply-To: <1013558171.20081213113939@maps.mi.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:28:02 -0000 Renat wrote: > Hello! Can't upgrade from 6.3 to 6.4 with freebsd-update. > > > > webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE install > No updates are available to install. > Run 'freebsd-update.sh fetch' first. > webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE fetch > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. > Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. > Fetching metadata index... done. > Inspecting system... done. > Preparing to download files... done. > > No updates needed to update system to 6.3-RELEASE-p6. > webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. > Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. > Fetching metadata index... done. > Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. > > --- > I probe with manual: > Upraded stoped with error. If I download manually 1 have a No updates needed to update system to 6.3-RELEASE-p6. > > > Thanks Renat. > > If you are starting from FreeBSD 6.3, why are you using the "add-on" freebsd-update.sh ? The base system freebsd-update in 6.3 can handle upgrades to newer releases. Please follow the instructions here, using the freebsd-update utility that comes with the system (section 26.2.3): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-freebsdupdate.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:28:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D8110656AD for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-117.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-117.bluehost.com [69.89.22.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D9A98FC28 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 4887 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 09:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 09:28:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=GuxCpWMPMePj3Atlys/P65MLMIagiK+vznZ/Mbr6meI6kUg6FLAniliyrdXKdbyuHPsPs2MuAy2k6jl8WvGFxdtxyhNa536ENRxjIICM+Y/8hGYTFsjuQUs6SghfAdiZ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBQnd-0001E5-Jd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:28:37 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:28:12 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:28:12 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213092812.GF39031@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <4942D70C.7030505@brianwhalen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4942D70C.7030505@brianwhalen.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:28:37 -0000 --rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:26:36PM -0800, Brian Whalen wrote: > michael wrote: > >has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what=20 > >you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that=20 > >doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech. > >I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? is ranting on here=20 > >about those two things going to change 8.0 to be the next best gaming=20 > >console? no. if you want to use freebsd on your desktop with 3D you=20 > >can. just run i386. but this entire thread has gone down hill from the= =20 > >OP, and it is nonsense. you get a few more registers with 64bit and=20 > >some more ram, big deal. show me a gaming console that needs more than= =20 > >four gigs of ram. its not a priority and it shouldn't be. this is a=20 > >server class operating system that you CAN use on your desk if wanted.= =20 > >even linux in all its glory with an nvidia 64bit driver isn't all that= =20 > >great at gaming, i'm sorry its just not. its not that great with 3D=20 > >modeling either(in house and proprietary software like maya do not=20 > >count). >=20 > It is a great server OS. Perhaps some would like it to be a better=20 > desktop OS? PC BSD not good enough for some I suppose? You could=20 > always get a Mac and run the NIX underneath it when needed. I like FreeBSD more than PC-BSD as a desktop OS, personally. I don't like the "do it our way" mentality of these "user friendly" desktop oriented OSes. What I want more of is functionality -- not featuritis. So, no . . . PC-BSD isn't "good enough" for my purposes, because it's serving someone else's purposes entirely. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Henry Spencer: "Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." --rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklDgCwACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVLqgCgxwJpPGMho9QYGSOEwml11Ypn FMkAoLqssf27XWq5gOSXo8A6UHsizzUF =G5xh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rWhLK7VZz0iBluhq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:33:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDAA1065676 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE00A8FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:33:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBD9Xe1K008912; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:33:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBD9XeAf008909; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:33:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:33:40 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:33:51 -0000 >> >> that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list - >> to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD. > > Moderation, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a > scalpel. One should always be wary of its use where even the slightest > error might result in significant loss of value. you may be right. moderation (censorship) on country or so level is just bad (TM). but FreeBSD is just a project, and it has owners (developer core team) - so it's different. and what i ask is not to just dump out people asking about "what's program like photoshop for FreeBSD", but creating list group for that (freebsd-software@... or freebsd-programs@...) and redirecting them there! and leave freebsd-questions for QUESTIONS ABOUT FREEBSD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:34:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14861065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:34:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A838FC24 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:34:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so255050eyi.7 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:34:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4OqisP0XKrn0Z2Wd3TKqynltOwecFH10M14Qt2wIhNQ=; b=PsrK90A88ChX6/Q0BZs+3QU6eGt1kDcSdrKm0UlOZznmKdeQDpS8jh1Mr9XbhVvE+C VZGAOd6MnNuM9V8NzhZ9NZNQBxcuH4AREgtyghp9gHYL58Gs35cgqHTO3Ke0WZ9z8Vz0 Ey/zAY46CbE3xTOGgMjIfBwIwWWuFjqYJJ0GU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iFkMOYpIM0fAi0L2CRin42OTHud/uUqugO/WBxxLaMiPnnwGprOeb/wuz1zbFA1pm7 bum7YjPcLaumNDSNJfsfQsHDIkjD6bL3mVFNtx3LEEvcbiFbsHyTTCCRzBMjyiJdOBxL aDQXZ0vLvRT2bPeKFTIH3cARh3/65DkF2i9vU= Received: by 10.210.111.4 with SMTP id j4mr5211054ebc.170.1229160887170; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-323937.home.otenet.gr [85.72.120.255]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm349921eyd.56.2008.12.13.01.34.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:34:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494381B4.7020205@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:34:44 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michel Talon References: <20081213090822.GA97581@lpthe.jussieu.fr> In-Reply-To: <20081213090822.GA97581@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:34:48 -0000 Michel Talon wrote: > Lowell Gilbert wrote: > NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed > by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX > (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an > industry standard; all major UNIX like systems (Solaris, HP-UX, > AIX(R), Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc) support NIS. > > > I work i am in a mostly Linux shop managed by NIS. However my machines > are under FreeBSD and i have no problem getting the NIS info. The only > gotcha is that, under Linux you have 2 files for passwds /etc/passwd > and /etc/shadow, while under FreeBSD you have just one > /etc/master.passwd. So you need to run NIS in compatibility mode on the > Linux server, so that passwd and shadow are "concatenated". Securitywise > it is the same since in any case the shadow information flows on the > wire, ready to be captured by a scannner. > > Yes, but running the NIS server in UNSECURE=true mode also allows local users on NIS workstations to access the password hashes. It is essentially the same as running a local machine with world read access to master.passwd. Your only defense then would be very strong passwords that would not be breakable by something like i.e. jack the ripper. I bet most people would prefer not to rely on this... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:34:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE86106568C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-305.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-305.bluehost.com [67.222.53.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A4278FC1D for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 30184 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 09:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 09:32:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=jP/93ae9cnDDb6W8Mefrz6DS+kQcwB2PYQSlhjLamD3Xvhsli1GjeItRy5gv3Do2VDy9FwLdqudyGIlppS5jbqGM814HHwwcNW5NZ+FEWSuTsX5lxDtQAs4Hdi5QPuCX; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBQte-0002la-SG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:34:51 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:34:25 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:34:25 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="L+ofChggJdETEG3Y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:34:51 -0000 --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:46:03PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? >=20 > no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about: >=20 > - KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody) >=20 > BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this, except=20 > KDE/Gnome/whatever can be run on it Isn't discussion of getting KDE/GNOME/whatever working *with* FreeBSD a FreeBSD topic? >=20 > - support of flash in Opera/Firefox/Whatever >=20 > again BECAUSE WWW BROWSER ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD. Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a FreeBSD topic? >=20 > - support of new/hot (literally)/super/extra graphics cards from NVidia. >=20 > BECAUSE Xorg IS NOT PART OF FREEBSD. Isn't getting X.org working *with* FreeBSD (with a particular graphics adapter) a FreeBSD topic? >=20 > While IMHO full graphics support (graphics support, not GUI) should be=20 > part of kernel as driver, it isn't. Isn't that, too, a FreeBSD topic -- whether graphics support should be addressed as part of the FreeBSD base system's scope? >=20 > As NVidia card Xorg module does need some kernel wrapper (no idea why) -= =20 > then there is nothing wrong for interested people to write it as ADD=20 > ON/PORT. >=20 > - asking about bloat level, visual apperance comparision etc. between=20 > FreeBSD with KDE and Windoze. >=20 > because KDE ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD, and FreeBSD on it's own doesn't have= =20 > (fortunately) any "desktop environment" so it can't be compared. Isn't "FreeBSD + $foo" a FreeBSD topic? >=20 > if someone like to compare KDE with windoze - OK but NOT THIS GROUP! KDE is not an operating system and -- despite jokes to the contrary -- installing MS Windows on a computer does indeed give one an operating system. It takes something like FreeBSD, in addition to KDE, to have a valid OS+GUI comparison with MS Windows. >=20 > SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks=20 > moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers "lame" but all= =20 > that is off topic. >=20 > Off topic=3Dnot about FreeBSD OS. I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Paul Graham: "Real ugliness is not harsh-looking syntax, but having to build programs out of the wrong concepts." --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklDgaEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKURNgCg8qCDPb70TuCpJ3T7pWD8sVU4 Wj4AoJBE1Qe8ssG5agaUrZblmQ5TQnqQ =uOFJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --L+ofChggJdETEG3Y-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:38:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AFF1065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:38:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CEE8FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBD9cJT7008938; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBD9cIhH008935; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081213103801.N8934@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:38:30 -0000 > Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a > FreeBSD topic? WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:44:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC3B1065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-154.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-154.bluehost.com [67.222.39.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BE218FC22 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 28449 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 09:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 09:43:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=gDAA3Vyo7xoHBK53+/Xe+RLODMttD0gGOUEk+i0VyxhZAUQmUcdf2wyrxuH/wZ60H3LUXCe2hnsATP8Zev9yymxxtPWebO8rEGR4c3mqJdGSV9Q7k8H8MhcrBMB/mx5Y; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBR2z-0005HM-7B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:44:29 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:44:03 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:44:03 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tcC6YSqBgqqkz7Sb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:44:29 -0000 --tcC6YSqBgqqkz7Sb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 09:35:59PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. > >>this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers > >>do make support for it. > >> > >>what is common today isn't normal. > > > >I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. >=20 > exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions > others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to make purchases of "total package" products rather than building something piecemeal or being able to specify what goes into a purchase at a very fine-grained level. Laptop purchases in particular suffer the problem of tending to be preconfigured package deals -- and sometimes you have to compromise on getting fully documented hardware with open specs in order to meet other requirements that are more critical to your immediate needs. This may especially be a problem for people who need a known-good physical interface to stave off repetitive stress injury (for example). Then again, judging by some of your statements, you probably feel that laptops should never be used with FreeBSD unless they've been repurposed as file servers. >=20 > if you think they do this to hide their hardware secrets you are wrong. > See x86 instruction set - does it reveal how Intel or Amd made their=20 > processor so fast? no! >=20 > They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true=20 > reason they do this. >=20 > With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly ther= e=20 > are thousands of hardware bugs. >=20 > with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of= =20 > their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java is the best programming language around because that's what "most" programmers use and have some vague, unsupported (but stubborn) notion that secrets are good for business. At least it *seems* they all think so. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] A: It reverses the normal flow of conversation. Q: What's wrong with top-posting? --tcC6YSqBgqqkz7Sb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklDg+MACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXBUgCggUsbnQLcMW5Ak4YzFpG3XIua OCoAoOhJV2R9OIUHKKM0G1HfPtRKADtm =MQG2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tcC6YSqBgqqkz7Sb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 09:47:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B066D106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C0A8FC19 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBD9ktnd008963; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:46:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBD9ktO3008960; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:46:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:46:55 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081213104642.M8959@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:47:07 -0000 >>> I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. >> >> exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions >> others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. > > You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to > make purchases of "total package" products rather than building something there are products for them. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 10:05:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3591106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from renat@maps.mi.ru) Received: from maps.mi.ru (fo198.i1.mi.ru [89.184.1.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536A88FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from renat@maps.mi.ru) Received: from [192.200.100.33] ([192.200.100.33]) by maps.mi.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBDA0aKp002080; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:00:37 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from renat@maps.mi.ru) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:04:32 +0300 From: Renat X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <34816500.20081213130432@maps.mi.ru> To: Manolis Kiagias In-Reply-To: <4943801E.1000306@gmail.com> References: <1013558171.20081213113939@maps.mi.ru> <4943801E.1000306@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on maps.mi.ru X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re[2]: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Renat List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:05:10 -0000 Again not worked: webarchive# mv freebsd-update.sh /usr/sbin/freebsd-update webarchive# mv freebsd-update.conf /etc webarchive# mceidt /etc/freebsd-update.conf mceidt: Command not found. webarchive# mcedit /etc/freebsd-update.conf webarchive# freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. webarchive# webarchive# setenv HTTP_PROXY http://192.100.100.1:3128 webarchive# setenv FTP_PROXY http://192.100.100.1:3128 webarchive# freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 6.3-RELEASE-p6. webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.3-RELEASE upgrade freebsd-update: Cannot upgrade from 6.3-RELEASE to itself webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. webarchive# MK> If you are starting from FreeBSD 6.3, why are you using the "add-on" MK> freebsd-update.sh ? The base system freebsd-update in 6.3 can handle MK> upgrades to newer releases. MK> Please follow the instructions here, using the freebsd-update utility MK> that comes with the system (section 26.2.3): MK> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-freebsdupdate.html -- Ń óâŕćĺíčĺě, Renat mailto:renat@maps.mi.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 10:25:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57B2106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:25:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0618FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:25:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LBRgZ-00057t-8h for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:25:23 +0000 Received: from 193.33.173.33 ([193.33.173.33]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:25:23 +0000 Received: from c.kworr by 193.33.173.33 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:25:23 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Volodymyr Kostyrko Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:24:50 +0200 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.33.173.33 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; ru-RU; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081122 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 In-Reply-To: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> Sender: news Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:25:28 -0000 Valentin Bud wrote: > There are different students that use those computers and they change > frequently. So i thought > to make a server, using FreeBSD (of course), that has a database of users so > the linux machines > don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and > such. I don't > really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i > achieve this > are welcomed. Try using Kerberos v5, everything you need resides in world and there is a good article in handbook on getting it working. This would be much more secure then NIS. Kerberos works as the authentication provider. You still should use some authorization provider or make users on all machines by hand. Authorization providers could be: 1. Hesiod. Designed together with Kerberos its currently slightly broken in our tree. 2. NIS. Just make sure you don't supply password hashes. It's good enough yet a bit outdated in my thought's. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 10:52:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAA41065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2568FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so1852494wfg.7 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:52:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=RUGmpZBBaG7Cqzp97czHJBfO/WXhNS/NrmH78M7vSRM=; b=s5uAiYczWTNnCbFr9c89w5z562tTM9z7vkwT1qFuf4O4HyKVl4yRMbZ4+0MsQ4fGT4 C0D3wj7IZL2AVw/IU9ctdFDu+J5cQTKFkfLXJ6f30dRXH7LcUOPjmEYyVqa9qPJywxgv VXRhpjd7nhhqjzC2XWbCYNSEIUSI7MVTRNaw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ahq9TfGOIRAYXq/T29yATkhE0763+U9cgVQJUUhnNVActn0s1eKlgh4TqCZNKYhLub GMKEM1B2at4M5vWhGcb6mtg3rbo+UIqw+M8SVoCKpiPipM4E6FzJMav9blq/qChAp6Qd EVdDfCM3vuRpzMuyvZuaaTSfd5yEOM6G/DG2w= Received: by 10.142.221.11 with SMTP id t11mr1809338wfg.86.1229165534152; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.180.17 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:52:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812130252u289d36bdmbc7c89dbc92c718c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:52:14 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Volodymyr Kostyrko" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:52:14 -0000 Hello list, Thanks everybody for comments, things are starting to become more clear now. I have to do the reading regarding all the recom i have received from all of you which will take me some time because this project is in my spare time which is close to unexistent. I'll come back with feedback as soon as i decide which solution to use. a great day, v From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 12:10:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A611065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ilikefbsd@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de (fmmailgate01.web.de [217.72.192.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9537B8FC16 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ilikefbsd@web.de) Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1615FA87222 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:53:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from [85.178.45.159] (helo=[192.168.1.148]) by smtp08.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (WEB.DE 4.109 #226) id 1LBT3O-00075z-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:53:02 +0100 Message-ID: <4943B02E.1000408@web.de> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:53:02 +0100 From: Marco User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081205) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ilikefbsd@web.de X-Sender: ilikefbsd@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+QyCP9fTqJR7IsfdpBRaf91CZYTWJ5j50Wukyu 37JZ04oXzGX+G6YfXgDAkUqih+r+AkKHP644s7LiF3QqcDYK8w rllqB3has= Subject: use different mouse/input devices in X.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:10:24 -0000 Hi List, i've using a Notebook with touchpad which works perfeclty fine. However, i'd like also to use in paralell an external via usb connect mouse. If i configure this hard into X.org config it will work but i stumble here on problems. First of all, i have to shutdown the X.org Server to do so, and restart it. Secondly i was not able to tell X.org to use both device, which would be the touchpad and the external mouse. Possibly there is a daemon i can run in backround which maybe handles that? Anyone has a solution for that kind of problem or something to hit me in the right direction? As usual thank you in advance, Marco From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 12:19:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7421065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ibb_orac@mbox.contact.bg) Received: from sd97.btc-net.bg (SD97.btc-net.bg [212.39.90.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF66F8FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ibb_orac@mbox.contact.bg) Received: (qmail 1094 invoked by uid 605); 13 Dec 2008 12:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon) (83.228.34.40) by 0 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 12:19:26 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Ivailo Bonev" To: "prad" References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de><20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home><20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra><200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212112516.5b16a5e3@gom.home> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:19:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:19:28 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "prad" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0200 > "Ivailo Bonev" wrote: > >> What's your problem with Lada?! :-D >> They make cars (especially Niva) to drive everywhere! >> > well may be they could work on the nvidia drivers. > they already have 4 of the 6 letters correct. > >> Just my 2 euro cents... lol >> > ok ok i admit that was a very desperate attempt at a joke. > but you must understand that today your 2 euro cents is 3.3 of our > canadian cents, so our humor can't go as far. > > > -- > In friendship, > prad > > ... with you on your journey > Towards Freedom > http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) > Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I think too much of this discussion is OT, maybe it's time to go in freebsd-chat@? 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References 1. http://83.170.72.34/icons/httpd/postcard.gif.exe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 12:32:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251041065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:32:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A757F8FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:32:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so2555939ewy.19 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:32:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=He9Da817m+oj9OTe599IympXdOkXJh6P4Ptkw34kjJ8=; b=SM5mlW7hoquTzXCuSxLTmmaIoYXZK9GGQWFF2XOPM7TD1dvTQEqDByu/pW1n9m2m6/ sJKLUKGGrd+wV1eKI3Dna1JwNlJk68aqqjk1tD2DRy++IDqO6cloulYico7ado3qc80V aKp/JtklqiWMCiH8tPENG8D33v04jo81timUs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=degDEpaHnZYtapTVZi0i3nHHnBlUcvopTR6vY+4is1M0Kfv+WTSHPvqMVTOIXYGWPI yw2mv0EYDyFwoL3MUnhuUmDapag3B0RzmRbSR3otJmliswPAgoohUVpE8sc38QAQZfK4 m5ONxxsUOofdkZvDEmjKj0wa+mFMXv4LgLTc8= Received: by 10.210.54.17 with SMTP id c17mr2105337eba.14.1229171545567; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-323937.home.otenet.gr [85.72.120.255]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14sm6276330nfi.3.2008.12.13.04.32.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:32:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4943AB57.2060600@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:32:23 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Renat References: <1013558171.20081213113939@maps.mi.ru> <4943801E.1000306@gmail.com> <34816500.20081213130432@maps.mi.ru> In-Reply-To: <34816500.20081213130432@maps.mi.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:32:27 -0000 Renat wrote: > Again not worked: > > webarchive# mv freebsd-update.sh /usr/sbin/freebsd-update > webarchive# mv freebsd-update.conf /etc > webarchive# mceidt /etc/freebsd-update.conf > mceidt: Command not found. > webarchive# mcedit /etc/freebsd-update.conf > > > > > Where exactly did you get that you need to move freebsd-update.sh to /usr/sbin? FreeBSD 6.3 has a *built in* freebsd-update utility that can already perform release upgrades The only other setting that I sometimes needed was to change server from update.freebsd.org to update1.freebsd.org It seems on some ISPs, update.freebsd.org fails to resolve. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 12:47:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED781065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from renat@maps.mi.ru) Received: from maps.mi.ru (fo198.i1.mi.ru [89.184.1.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD90B8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:47:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from renat@maps.mi.ru) Received: from [192.200.100.33] ([192.200.100.33]) by maps.mi.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBDChJYL005760; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:43:19 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from renat@maps.mi.ru) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:47:15 +0300 From: Renat X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1164220109.20081213154715@maps.mi.ru> To: Manolis Kiagias In-Reply-To: <4943AB57.2060600@gmail.com> References: <1013558171.20081213113939@maps.mi.ru> <4943801E.1000306@gmail.com> <34816500.20081213130432@maps.mi.ru> <4943AB57.2060600@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on maps.mi.ru X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re[2]: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Renat List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:47:53 -0000 Yes. I try . But not worked!! ----- webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. I probe you solution change change server from update.freebsd.org to update1.freebsd.org Not worked((( What's is is the Bug on the FreeBSD servers? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 12:48:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5007F106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:48:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793068FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDCm3QZ009292; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:48:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDCm3m2009289; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:48:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:48:02 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ivailo Bonev In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081213134743.L9288@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de><20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home><20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra><200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212112516.5b16a5e3@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, prad Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:48:12 -0000 >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > I think too much of this discussion is OT, maybe it's time to go in > freebsd-chat@? indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 12:56:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6FB1065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:56:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4AC8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so2564021ewy.19 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:56:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sIlpDfubJqhvugIXrvWPtDVmm1HeEAtueV+g4yWwun4=; b=pDKPLO47fWXKXpbl8xr3B+cP3+1TWIL5KdieLrpx4atoBvift4V9g+njEMy/JZF/vI oFXACtzQuL2/sJyDsL8FXaXPF7RpebGSA/d5L/8zgJ0BrrASuD2DZqtuU0xKLk3ksIY5 jRk1alNoVWApY/xoBXGCFyvp5fvqyExiMZHw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aOqcXUYzcl9bFqTpIY2Ap+8D1P6H/+21wCzjrSwsL2IjbtvoVUHub7dxYCs5kMTVVf K1Iwka0x8gbqFhnTJvMJ1Fu9JikOBvHGtHXnGerTH8MVy5Emzc5EKLvZ6tmNkFosqwEJ Y96yOQ+ojEKMJCUd2vj/Ab1tesVjrx+j0Jc9U= Received: by 10.210.144.8 with SMTP id r8mr2122394ebd.102.1229173008468; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-323937.home.otenet.gr [85.72.120.255]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14sm6308877nfi.3.2008.12.13.04.56.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:56:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4943B10E.50505@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:56:46 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081011) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Renat References: <1013558171.20081213113939@maps.mi.ru> <4943801E.1000306@gmail.com> <34816500.20081213130432@maps.mi.ru> <4943AB57.2060600@gmail.com> <1164220109.20081213154715@maps.mi.ru> In-Reply-To: <1164220109.20081213154715@maps.mi.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:56:50 -0000 Renat wrote: > Yes. I try . But not worked!! > > ----- > webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade > Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. > Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. > Fetching metadata index... done. > Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. > > > I probe you solution change change server from > update.freebsd.org to update1.freebsd.org > > Not worked((( > > What's is is the Bug on the FreeBSD servers? > > > Nothing wrong on the FreeBSD servers, AFAIK. I remotely upgraded two 6.3 servers to 6.4 just yesterday There must be something on your end or your ISP that causes this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 13:17:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A5C1065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:17:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678D98FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:17:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (246.10.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.10.246]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 65D2D63366E; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:17:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from baby-jane (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7854A679CA4; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:17:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:17:50 +0100 From: Patrick =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Lamaizi=E8re?= To: Marco Message-ID: <20081213141750.18c2f44e@baby-jane> In-Reply-To: <4943B02E.1000408@web.de> References: <4943B02E.1000408@web.de> Organization: /dave/nulle X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i386-apple-darwin9.3.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: use different mouse/input devices in X.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:17:53 -0000 Le Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:53:02 +0100, Marco a écrit : > Hi List, Hello, > i've using a Notebook with touchpad which works perfeclty fine. > However, i'd like also to use in paralell an external via usb connect > mouse. If i configure this hard into X.org config > it will work but i stumble here on problems. First of all, i have to > shutdown the X.org Server to do so, and restart it. Secondly i was not > able to tell X.org to use both device, which > would be the touchpad and the external mouse. > Possibly there is a daemon i can run in backround which maybe handles > that? Anyone has a solution for that kind of problem or something to > hit me in the right direction? moused(8) is able to mix several mice. You can use devd to call moused when an usb mouse is inserted, with a rule in /etc/devd.conf like : attach 200 { device-name "ums0"; action "/usr/sbin/moused -a 5 -p /dev/ums0 -I /var/run/moused.ums0.pid ; /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m on"; }; In Xorg.conf, use /dev/sysmouse for the mouse device. That's all. Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 08:03:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEA81065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:03:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glyn@millingtons.org) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285F58FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:03:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glyn@millingtons.org) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,216,1228089600"; d="scan'208";a="55259290" Received: from unknown (HELO glynthebearded.millingtons.org) ([82.152.120.109]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 08:03:49 +0000 Received: by glynthebearded.millingtons.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 639255CF6; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:00:45 +0000 (GMT) To: Jerry McAllister References: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <877i64c3zt.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213015514.GA47452@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Organization: Central Church, Torquay, U.K. X-Now-Playing: There's a deathly hush in the close tonight! X-Liturgical-Date: Memorial: Saint Lucy, virgin and martyr, A.D. 2008 From: Glyn Millington Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:00:45 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20081213015514.GA47452@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> (Jerry McAllister's message of "Fri\, 12 Dec 2008 20\:55\:14 -0500") Message-ID: <86bpvgmrma.fsf@nowhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:22:30 +0000 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Chad Perrin , Usr Random , Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glyn@millingtons.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:03:51 -0000 Jerry McAllister writes: > But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach > newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just > repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL > or whatever. Or even "why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to be back in the day?" As a newcomer to FreeBSD (who will never be a programmer or serious sysadmin) I'm grateful for the firm but fair approach taken here by most people, for the toleration of my occasional inanities, and for helpful answers. I'm also grateful to Chad for helping me look at again at Compiz-fusion - I prefer fvwm myself, but CF IS gorgeous, no doubt about it, and my eleven year old thinks its cool :-) atb Glyn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 13:24:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6631065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:24:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dleal@webvolution.net) Received: from front2.netvisao.pt (front2.netvisao.pt [213.228.128.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 117578FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dleal@webvolution.net) Received: (qmail 30597 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2008 12:57:25 -0000 Received: from av-front5.netvisao.pt (213.228.128.157) by front2.netvisao.pt with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 12:57:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 28423 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2008 12:57:26 -0000 Received: from ar-217-129-86-43.netvisao.pt (HELO [192.168.1.200]) (dleal@[217.129.86.43]) (envelope-sender ) by av-front5.netvisao.pt (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Dec 2008 12:57:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4943B14C.2050807@webvolution.net> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:57:48 +0000 From: Daniel Leal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3216-5.5.0.1026-16336.007 X-TM-AS-Result: No--4.497-5.0-31-1 X-imss-scan-details: No--4.497-5.0-31-1 Subject: skype X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:24:12 -0000 Hi ! Is there a problem if I use skype as root? like sudo skype. Because, if not i will get no sound! thanks, daniel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 13:26:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CDC1065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:26:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from root@server30233.uk2net.com) Received: from server30233.uk2net.com (ns1.rjg-consultants.com [83.170.67.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFC38FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:26:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from root@server30233.uk2net.com) Received: from server30233.uk2net.com (server30233.uk2net.com [127.0.0.1]) by server30233.uk2net.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mBDDW8K4032469 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:32:08 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by server30233.uk2net.com (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id mBDDW8b6032468; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:32:08 GMT Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:32:08 GMT Message-Id: <200812131332.mBDDW8b6032468@server30233.uk2net.com> From: "Greetings.com" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Hey, you have a new Greeting !!! 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References 1. http://83.170.72.34/icons/httpd/postcard.gif.exe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 13:52:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECE41065676 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmr333@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B8C8FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmr333@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1867105rvf.43 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:52:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=yvDKxEWkhclwmDZKj18PeTdXQfrhVrC4ai9rPTsmDUQ=; b=arBBm8idIslMAgE6lWZ0jfcSq7rDQA4hQhiJu/RrOxhDAv88hA+y9mym06Kyau8wv9 6iya7J3yWNcG3swL/JmSsMQNgYfowFoVURQcCZjkpuoBLVQFMGoY51CyTcrDbldh9E4P cPPiokUQNgEbX9cUGnux9G6fkODqSPUZyJA5k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=khWcLUmFqHxnEiISV16QPv5kGCC74YpUzggfNC8t6FuX0EG6Rucu7vyi1XoQo6moxc OX3y3C4W00vqoyDGrulKRXcZf3gadp0/jcOqsdtUfWYDnGNYC292f00GK7sr7XlAfGxr NyX7L80Lo32G+FfuLMdLyymbcTvz20fqhooM8= Received: by 10.141.29.20 with SMTP id g20mr2520361rvj.156.1229174773576; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.33.12 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:26:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:26:13 +0900 From: "munkhbayar batkhuu" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:52:45 -0000 Dear all FreeBSD list members. One of my old FreeBSD-5.4 server is installed with Mambo (4.6.2 Bug Stomp Pre-Release 2, not installed from ports) and I'm going to upgrade this Content Management System (CMS) to FreeBSD-7 and tried to install Mambo via ports. New portaudit installed system says Mambo have security issue and can't be installed. And I'm not going to use Mambo. (I know Mambo have long standing history of security issues). It seems that Joomla will be installed fine (,however). My question is, "Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?". Thanks in advance. Munkh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 14:03:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0788106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:03:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from lmailproxy01.edpnet.net (lmailproxy01.edpnet.net [212.71.1.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E6B8FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:03:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (77.109.107.21.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net [77.109.107.21] (may be forged)) by lmailproxy01.edpnet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBDE3sAd019545; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:03:54 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: munkhbayar batkhuu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:03:51 +0100 Message-Id: <1229177031.3740.1.camel@rivendell.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94, clamav-milter version 0.94 on lmailproxy01.edpnet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_80,RDNS_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on lmailproxy01.edpnet.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:03:56 -0000 I would suggest Plone On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 22:26 +0900, munkhbayar batkhuu wrote: > Dear all FreeBSD list members. > > One of my old FreeBSD-5.4 server is installed with Mambo (4.6.2 Bug > Stomp Pre-Release 2, not installed from ports) and I'm going to > upgrade this Content Management System (CMS) to FreeBSD-7 and tried to > install Mambo via ports. > New portaudit installed system says Mambo have security issue and > can't be installed. And I'm not going to use Mambo. (I know Mambo have > long standing history of security issues). > It seems that Joomla will be installed fine (,however). > > My question is, "Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, > which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?". > > Thanks in advance. > Munkh > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 14:27:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B695106567E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1710D8FC20 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so1729616fkk.11 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:27:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CK/MbdyvYOdRMq4qgsW5eRDPUQjq9wuzgiCDB1upwlE=; b=cY2on3VXrU+ZdyZ+JgeH3oMA7+t++T3s/Sc72O77IL4JG5iC8C4VKINlENyZtoIDWC T+eUaq3EO71PVV9nN+8HQu/RMFMx52ANzBncU9CXMSylv/zBM8zhGgPOYDpYKTBAzwap gfWIMrKIsfmdIOfyE+deqJ46XkNaTU2iGm4CU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iHEmr9Lw1hkiEYBk4DHSjDwHmct8TyGnpojH2XJ4C/z5scr7g3XrOsOYGeEI/3mdUZ AWrFKrER9RuDGdcV692KgQlgaUL4fwJnkA4TDwvOLEuZUDmprzwOPrUnXJ/irHnWr/lk kpepFKunlNRagzAURXZY8vKMh0hylqimJ5Fws= Received: by 10.103.12.8 with SMTP id p8mr2282248mui.44.1229178461775; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:27:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812130627w4e093f42te02d88f0c4b10364@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:27:41 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Daniel Leal" In-Reply-To: <4943B14C.2050807@webvolution.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4943B14C.2050807@webvolution.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: skype X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:27:43 -0000 On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daniel Leal wrote: > Hi ! > > Is there a problem if I use skype as root? > like sudo skype. > Because, if not i will get no sound! > You should never run any network-connected software as root, as it is a huge security hole. Fix your permissions for your sound. -- Glen Barber "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 14:32:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25F91065676 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764B38FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.3/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id mBDEW2wp052969 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:32:02 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 164 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1378A264 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:32:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id E1B1B3D; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:32:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:32:00 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.164]); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:32:02 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8751/Sat Dec 13 04:47:53 2008 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at jchkmail2.jussieu.fr with ID 4943AB66.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4943AB66.003/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 4943AB66.003 on jchkmail2.jussieu.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.036 -> S=0.036 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:32:04 -0000 Glyn Millington wrote: > > But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach > > newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just > > repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL > > or whatever. > > Or even "why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to be back in the > day?" As you suggest, first, discussions about the direction FreeBSD should go are eminently FreeBSD related, and second, i think the passeists in the community, broadly speaking the sysadmins, not the programmers, are the worst enemies of FreeBSD progress. A number of obvious errors have crept in the thread, for example that Linux is crap - it has never been as good, and now outperforms FreeBSD in nearly everything - or that Gnome and Kde have nothing to do with FreeBSD, when there are dedicated FreeBSD teams working precisely on that. The idea that an OS has to be a server OS (translate, friendly to sysadmins) rather than a desktop OS leads directly to irrelevance (example Solaris), while the crappiest of the crappiest desktop OS succeeds in getting a foothold in server space, simply because people are used to it, and don't want to complicate their life. In general an OS gets hardware support proportional to the number of its users, so it is criminal to advocate concentrating on a niche use. Specifically for the question of nVidia 64 bits support, the nVidia engineers have clearly stated their intention of developing the driver as soon as appropriate kernel support is present, so as to be able to dothe same thing they are doing under Linux - a very understandable requirement. It happens that, for several years, no one has been able or willing to provide this kernel support. This is harming FreeBSD in an obvious way, but personally i could not care less, i use Intel video card. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 14:58:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88731065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C87D8FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from [87.114.66.149] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LBVwz-0005Tf-Dk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:58:37 +0000 Message-ID: <4943CD9C.6040909@jessikat.plus.net> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:58:36 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Plusnet-Relay: accb14648dd2d786a66895f5ce536867 Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:58:39 -0000 My experiments with the depenguinator seem to show it has a hidden dependency on the partition used for the constructed disk image. On my ubuntu 8.10 the original install constructed /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 extended /dev/sda5 swap Not sure why the extended, but it wasn't really needed so I deleted sda5 & sda2 and then created a new primary partition /dev/sda2 for the swap. When using /dev/sda5 grub gave an error 12: invalid device, now with exactly the same build process /dev/sda2 gives a boot that works. However, the result crashes when the next stage kicks in. I don't know where the dependency is, perhaps it must use a primary partition or perhaps there's some way to specify the boot device that's not being used. The bootcode is fixed and not a function of the boot target (which is suspicious). -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 15:06:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD4A1065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87158FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:06:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LBW4g-0006TZ-TW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:06:35 +0000 Received: from pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net ([138.88.90.120]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:06:34 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:06:34 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:06:18 -0500 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <4943B14C.2050807@webvolution.net> <4ad871310812130627w4e093f42te02d88f0c4b10364@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-138-88-90-120.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: skype X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:06:40 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daniel Leal > wrote: >> Hi ! >> >> Is there a problem if I use skype as root? >> like sudo skype. >> Because, if not i will get no sound! >> > > You should never run any network-connected software as root, as it is > a huge security hole. Fix your permissions for your sound. > For this read man devfs.conf. There are some examples available. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 15:06:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91271106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530CF8FC1A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 10:06:40 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PHX23244; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 10:06:40 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:06:38 -0500 To: Michel Talon In-Reply-To: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:06:40 -0000 Michel Talon writes: > As you suggest, first, discussions about the direction FreeBSD > should go are eminently FreeBSD related, Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for general discussion; however, as things progress to the technical it becomes more appropriate for either hackers@ or arch@. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 16:05:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04167106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:05:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ilikefbsd@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0418FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:05:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ilikefbsd@web.de) Received: from smtp05.web.de (fmsmtp05.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.4.166]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA993F561B92; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:05:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [85.178.45.159] (helo=[192.168.1.148]) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (WEB.DE 4.109 #226) id 1LBWzp-0005l3-00; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:05:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4943EB60.2010204@web.de> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:05:36 +0100 From: Marco User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081205) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Patrick_Lamaizi=E8re?= References: <4943B02E.1000408@web.de> <20081213141750.18c2f44e@baby-jane> In-Reply-To: <20081213141750.18c2f44e@baby-jane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: ilikefbsd@web.de X-Sender: ilikefbsd@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18r7VzIZ+4UANf2sbBianfCpcNOFyfrwHAbHHHN a5lZ5VXgX1cqq7Jlf6RxJ95EI3WH2//ZmYVE23ys5GmW+LAhMD dnxyp/VN0= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: use different mouse/input devices in X.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:05:40 -0000 Hello Patrick, works like a charm. I had to test a little bit, but i ended up with /dev/sysmouse in Xorg config and the following lines in the devd.conf: attach 200 { device-name "psm0"; action "/usr/sbin/moused -a 2 -p /dev/psm0 -I /var/run/moused.psm0.pid; /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m on"; }; attach 220 { device-name "ums0"; action "/usr/sbin/moused -a 2 -p /dev/ums0 -I /var/run/moused.ums0.pid; /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m on"; }; Where "psm0" is my touchpad and "ums0" my external mouse. Ok i never wanted mouse support on the console, but it's maybe i feature i'll get used to ;-) Thanks a lot, Marco Patrick Lamaizičre wrote: > Le Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:53:02 +0100, > Marco a écrit : > > >> Hi List, >> > > Hello, > > >> i've using a Notebook with touchpad which works perfeclty fine. >> However, i'd like also to use in paralell an external via usb connect >> mouse. If i configure this hard into X.org config >> it will work but i stumble here on problems. First of all, i have to >> shutdown the X.org Server to do so, and restart it. Secondly i was not >> able to tell X.org to use both device, which >> would be the touchpad and the external mouse. >> Possibly there is a daemon i can run in backround which maybe handles >> that? Anyone has a solution for that kind of problem or something to >> hit me in the right direction? >> > > moused(8) is able to mix several mice. > > You can use devd to call moused when an usb mouse is inserted, with a > rule in /etc/devd.conf like : > > attach 200 { > device-name "ums0"; > action "/usr/sbin/moused -a 5 -p /dev/ums0 > -I /var/run/moused.ums0.pid ; /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m on"; }; > > In Xorg.conf, use /dev/sysmouse for the mouse device. > > That's all. > > Regards. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 16:37:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7F91065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:37:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C778FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:37:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qfEe1a00j1HzFnQ59gdAjC; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:37:10 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qgco1a0031f6R9u3agcoFG; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:36:49 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:37:09 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:37:09 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213163709.GA17550@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.x/FreeBSD 7.0 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:37:11 -0000 On Sat 13 Dec 2008 at 01:44:03 PST Chad Perrin wrote: > >I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for >obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general >ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java >is the best programming language around because that's what "most" >programmers use and have some vague, unsupported (but stubborn) notion >that secrets are good for business. At least it *seems* they all think >so. There's no need to impute any insidious or lazy motive to them. If they can sell their product without documenting any API's, they will tend to do so, as a way of cutting costs and thus increasing their profits. As for their "obstinate refusal", I think they often have a reasonable fear that if they do provide documentation, it will create an ongoing demand for support. No matter how much effort you put into documentation, there always seem to be some questions you haven't answered, and people will be pestering you for the answers. More costs! But once you've opened the door by publishing the documentation, it's hard to close it gracefully. So they probably figure it's better to just say no at the outset. (None of this has much of anything to do with FreeBSD, and I apologize for replying to something off-topic. But I felt I had to speak out against an all-too-common prejudice.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 16:38:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC28C1065689 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) Received: from hermes.hst.org.za (onix.hst.org.za [209.203.2.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E358B8FC18 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:38:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) Received: from [10.1.11.1] ([10.1.11.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.hst.org.za (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBDGPX4S080740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:25:33 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za) From: Jonathan McKeown To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:44:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> In-Reply-To: X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Spam-Score: -4.037 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 209.203.2.133 Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:38:02 -0000 On Friday 12 December 2008 19:26, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Joe S" > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:20 PM > To: "Roland Smith" > Cc: ; "Jonathan McKeown" > > Subject: Re: Release schedules > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Roland Smith wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > >>> I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can > >>> offer > >>> any help or useful suggestions, but here goes... > >>> > >>> What on earth is going on with release scheduling? > >> > >> Two words: volunteer project > >> > >> I would propose to do away with the release schedule altogether, or make > >> it very succinct; > >> > >> next release: when it's done. > > > > What? Isn't that the Linux kernel schedule? > > > > Give me a break. The OpenBSD team of volunteers makes a new release > > every six months, with target release dates in May and November. I > > can't recall a slip of even one day. I know, this isn't OpenBSD, but > > it proves that a regular release schedule is indeed possible. > > also remember that 6.4 was being worked on at the same time. there's only a > finite number of people to spread across both projects. finalization of 7.1 > should come faster as 6.4 has been released According to http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.1R/schedule.html , the ports tree was frozen on 8 September, tagged on 22 September and unfrozen. (I see elsewhere in this thread someone saying it's still frozen - I'm not sure which statement is correct). 7.1-RELEASE should have been done a couple of weeks later - early in October for announcement on 13 October. We are now looking at a release in January. That's not a few days or even a few weeks late - it's almost four months late; and 7.1-RELEASE will ship with a ports tree that's almost 5 months out of date. Not only that - it's shipping mere weeks before the end-of-life for 7.0-RELEASE (currently 28 Feb 2009). I have been watching the web page and freebsd-stable. There has been no obvious indication of the reason for the delays or the expected duration. (For earlier releases, there was a todo page linked from the release webpage which listed areas needing more work and areas needing testing). The -RC1 release announcement finally acknowledged that there had been a number of major problems, not all of which have been fully addressed yet. As a community, we should be ashamed of this: ``volunteer effort'' just isn't a good enough excuse - and those of us who haven't volunteered need to find out how we can help get things back on track for the next release. When I first raised this, I asked if there was anything I could do to help the release engineering team with communication. Zbigniew Szalbot made a similar offer. I really think that once 7.1 is out, we (collectively) need to have a long hard look at the release process and make sure this doesn't happen again (and again and again and again - it's not the first time that I've scheduled work around release dates and ended up being embarrassed or having to do jobs twice, with a pre-release and then again when the release arrives.) Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 17:09:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249A21065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A1B8FC16 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl7-22.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.134.22]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBDH8xVi014219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:09:05 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDH8u1n002745; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:08:56 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBDEBG3l064648; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:11:16 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103801.N8934@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:11:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081213103801.N8934@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:18 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87wse4tbaz.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBDH8xVi014219 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.859, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:09:14 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:18 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a >> FreeBSD topic? > > WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that. Do you really, honestly expect Mozilla, Galeon, Epiphany and any random browser team to support FreeBSD users? I think that's stretching it a bit. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 17:19:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A64106567E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96B68FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:19:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl7-22.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.134.22]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBDHJYo3014589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:19:40 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDHJYIv003111; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:19:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBDHJWtt003107; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:19:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> <49437a6b.UDOGOuQZN1pqH+/y%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:19:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <49437a6b.UDOGOuQZN1pqH+/y%perryh@pluto.rain.com> (perryh@pluto.rain.com's message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:03:39 -0800") Message-ID: <873agsgfh7.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBDHJYo3014589 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.859, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: michael.copeland@gmail.com, perrin@apotheon.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:19:46 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:03:39 -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >> after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer >> after looking .. "freebsd - the power to serve" > > Might one reasonably surmise that "the power to serve" implies doing a > good job of running server software? Like mail servers, FTP servers, > web servers, file servers, database servers, ssh servers, even - gasp > - X11 servers? I am 'served' quite well by my GUI programs too, if that's part of the question. The word 'service' is not limited by the very narrow meaning of an IP based or other network application :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 17:24:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB95C1065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CE78FC16 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:24:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDHOFfX041182; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:24:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDHODPL041179; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:24:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:24:13 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robert Huff In-Reply-To: <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Michel Talon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:24:26 -0000 > Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for general discussion about FreeBSD, or general discussion about thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? > general discussion; however, as things progress to the technical it > becomes more appropriate for either hackers@ or arch@. > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 17:27:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508541065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDCF8FC1F for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDHQe4x041193; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:26:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDHQeKx041190; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:26:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:26:40 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87wse4tbaz.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081213182438.W41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103801.N8934@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87wse4tbaz.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:27:01 -0000 >>> FreeBSD topic? >> >> WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that. > > Do you really, honestly expect Mozilla, Galeon, Epiphany and any random i expect to support any unix. and they do. unfortunately they didn't write flash module, so you have to use abobe flash that is available as binary only for lots os OS but NOT FREEBSD. you should ask Adobe for it. that's all. FreeBSD doesn't have to support flash. It doesn't even have to support watching WWW pages because (contrary to - say - windoze) IT IS NOT PART OF OS! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 17:31:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4185106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:31:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BD28FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:31:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4172684D0126; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:31:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id mbmsx2QQKuZ7; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:31:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id B49DF684D0125; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:31:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:31:11 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213173111.GA5297@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1229177031.3740.1.camel@rivendell.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229177031.3740.1.camel@rivendell.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 OpenPKG/% (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:31:12 -0000 On Sat, Dec 13, 2008, Julien Cigar wrote: >I would suggest Plone I'll second that. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 People from East Germany have found the West so confusing. It's so much easier when you have only one party. -- Linus Torvalde, Linux Expo Canada when asked about confusion over many Linux distributions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 17:38:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30721065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:38:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5606B8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:37:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl7-22.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.134.22]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBDHboBk015284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:37:56 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDHbo0e003350; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:37:50 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBDHbncx003349; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:37:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:37:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:24:13 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBDHboBk015284 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.859, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Robert Huff , Michel Talon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:38:01 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:24:13 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for > > general discussion about FreeBSD, or general discussion about > thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 17:49:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436491065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:49:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851858FC18 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDHmugh041301; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:48:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDHmtQQ041298; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Robert Huff , Michel Talon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:49:09 -0000 >> thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? > > I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on > FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in > for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece > of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :) do you ask say - microsoft - about supporting program that doesn't run under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. no. so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not FreeBSD developers job. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 18:06:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2076B106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BED38FC2E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:06:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl7-22.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.134.22]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBDI6ch5017416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:43 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDI6cvr003567; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBDI6cPa003566; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87myf07xw2.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBDI6ch5017416 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.859, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Robert Huff , Michel Talon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:06:47 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? >> >> I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on >> FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in >> for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece >> of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :) > > do you ask say - microsoft - about supporting program that doesn't run > under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with Microsoft at all? In the other hypothetical scenario that I would be a happy Microsoft user who finds something nice about MacOS, would I ask MacOS people if they want to port their program to Windows, or would I ask the rest of my Windows pals if they know of an equivalent program for my OS? > no. You are drawing a hypothetical scenario out of thin air, a fictional answer that *I* would give in that case, and then responding to that answer. It sounds like fun, but it isn't very useful as an argument that proves some unstated point. > so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not FreeBSD > developers job. I'm not asking FreeBSD developers about flash support. One of the reasons is that I _am_ one of the FreeBSD developers, so I (usually) know what works and what doesn't. Another reason is that Flash is not everything. There are literally _thousands_ of programs that one can use on FreeBSD. You seem to be fervently pushing an agenda that FreeBSD should do one thing or that freebsd-questions should do another, but you are missing a very important point: FreeBSD is not something because we "wish" it to be that thing. It is and it becomes what we _make_ it be. So, if you want it to be an OS that ignores anything that has not been specifically `designed for BSD', including the thousands of programs included in the Ports collection, you are free to do so with _your_ installations of FreeBSD. What irks me and really gets me to spend some time answering posts in this thread is that you seem to believe that it is ok to tell everybody else what to do with *their* FreeBSD time or what to support on freebsd-questions by spending _their_ time writing helpful answers to user questions. I'm afraid this isn't going to work very well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 18:10:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43731065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BAA8FC16 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so2199477rne.12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:10:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QSbylwLbEsJ0IWv7XNZgWDWD1k99vpuJAHQ0eEKEtWQ=; b=M2wMOzkJNBBohLyZs66Hjv16WiP1IINyaV526Ii0X2NYLHJKnMSy/L/txQGpwSli9J poGpIWtEK0YaV0qf95pd9qqvjZUgqJ4TbbQzgxg4R5MQwnuNZpqkZU6dEy2yqkYfWsGi MVMoST3Bn1WVXqBBGLUZJXaCrReUnXCvmHjOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lkJfRGeikCS6wZLamCnOMN9HMGzKWESsP1aCHs2buqsv9izQIyizc4p9LAJ3HJtdx6 ztePvgS6QJ9FVEltoXsY1htjkESeqTBckr+MFiiFCJekjqPgxUY4ukeMD2n/5Qnhnp6N PGlipA2X8NcLP9t6mW8LgR5kPCQxlqGVXy3R0= Received: by 10.65.59.16 with SMTP id m16mr2458599qbk.1.1229191820925; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.179.9 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:10:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:10:20 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:10:22 -0000 Hi, >> I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on >> FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in >> for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece >> of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :) > > do you ask say - microsoft - about supporting program that doesn't run under > windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. > > no. > > so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not FreeBSD > developers job. Wojciech - I know you are a very competent and experienced user when it comes to FBSD so do not treat my post as kind of a flame war. Let me say this - if you want to help, please do. There are many times when your replies are helpful (gmirror comes to mind) but more often than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this project. Please stop doing that. Please. It seems to me that you are forcing your views on everyone by looking at reality from your point of view only. I wouldn't have written this if it was only tiring, but it is also harmful to the communit at large, especially those who are interested in giving FBSD a try. Best regards, -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl www.slowo.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 18:18:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F22106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0302C8FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:18:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so2201961rne.12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:18:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=c0ynPEzszleucZgowl5wLWOqIo5envj45DQtDsACqYc=; b=MuB15auXX+lOBnPdNEoURUBwfc9N3Z8VGnl7fR2jWg+v6JPLs9BEni0XkYbZ58Bn8U QPWoQ3U0mkD+l3z96C9ZnW2eNm6KDel9jXJXD0TRO1KW5rrvksqGTAu+5Tx9DGmORL/s CmRXIMJARktxCcApAqxYAhIwUV6XTOdZisjeI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=T4I6J5u0HxIZ3DRRDScyJ8n2hIPsgXMQ4oDcaCWnxIOFapEAm5cQVQCpnfXxB5o4kG wdZXwx/447jDL8JKZ3Q04HQf3/yY1jyg3d+YGjXqYW1Xk95I2FNK6jDTv+BBw5EYJPR1 OqOkt3jCvcbQuk6TaPkL0BorVo48OrNP/lqLY= Received: by 10.64.201.16 with SMTP id y16mr4256355qbf.82.1229192282716; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.179.9 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:18:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0812131018r717c6ac0uc3cf6172601fe26@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:18:02 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Jonathan McKeown" In-Reply-To: <200812131844.33151.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <200812131844.33151.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:18:04 -0000 Hello, > As a community, we should be ashamed of this: ``volunteer effort'' just isn't > a good enough excuse - and those of us who haven't volunteered need to find > out how we can help get things back on track for the next release. When I > first raised this, I asked if there was anything I could do to help the > release engineering team with communication. Zbigniew Szalbot made a similar > offer. Thank you Jonathan - I cannot give much to FBSD as I am not a programmer either but - again - if I can be of any use communication-wise, I am happy to join the community and serve. Best regards, -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl www.slowo.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 18:23:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C136E1065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stupendoussteve@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F42A8FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stupendoussteve@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.150]) by bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:23:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:23:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 68.225.143.90 by BAY122-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:23:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.225.143.90] X-Originating-Email: [stupendoussteve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: stupendoussteve@hotmail.com Message-ID: <4943FD9A.4050308@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:23:22 -0600 From: Steven Susbauer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081122) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manolis Kiagias References: <1013558171.20081213113939@maps.mi.ru> <4943801E.1000306@gmail.com> <34816500.20081213130432@maps.mi.ru> <4943AB57.2060600@gmail.com> <1164220109.20081213154715@maps.mi.ru> <4943B10E.50505@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4943B10E.50505@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1625350413F44AEB1B39E2AB" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2008 18:23:30.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[E63D5AF0:01C95D4F] Cc: Renat , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:23:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1625350413F44AEB1B39E2AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Renat wrote: >> Yes. I try . But not worked!! >> >> ----- >> webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade >> Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. >> Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org..= =2E done. >> Fetching metadata index... done. >> Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. >> >> >> I probe you solution change change server from >> update.freebsd.org to update1.freebsd.org >> >> Not worked((( >> >> What's is is the Bug on the FreeBSD servers? >> >> >> =20 >=20 > Nothing wrong on the FreeBSD servers, AFAIK. > I remotely upgraded two 6.3 servers to 6.4 just yesterday > There must be something on your end or your ISP that causes this. Most likely something is blocking dns SRV requests (which is what FreeBSD-update uses to find the mirrors). I used to have this problem due to a misconfigured dnsmasq install. I fixed it but my problem is the reason that update.freebsd.org has an A record of its own now. Because of this it should not cause an impact on the update process, and you shouldn't need to change update to update1 anymore. It would not surprise me if your problems are related to using the addon freebsd-update rather than the built-in, which you apparently overwrote with the addon one (the original is in the sources, or on the CVS). It could be unrelated, but it is an easily identifiable misstep. If you cannot get freebsd-update working, you could update using a 6.4 cd= =2E Also, there is nothing wrong with the FreeBSD servers, as I just updated a few seconds ago: athlon# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. The following components of FreeBSD seem to be installed: kernel/smp world/base The following components of FreeBSD do not seem to be installed: kernel/generic src/base src/bin src/contrib src/crypto src/etc src/games src/gnu src/include src/krb5 src/lib src/libexec src/release src/rescue src/sbin src/secure src/share src/sys src/tools src/ubin src/usbin world/catpages world/dict world/doc world/games world/info world/manpages world/proflibs Does this look reasonable (y/n)? --------------enig1625350413F44AEB1B39E2AB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklD/ZwACgkQ2i3YYzbDt08ZSACfRUwLyvG7VBpNttOxHhzoYf/+ 5WUAn0d8tyPF77E/d0aMy+EMWzMhvwRP =BKh3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1625350413F44AEB1B39E2AB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 19:04:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647C91065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:04:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2722D8FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDJ4Jgw044348; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:04:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDJ4Ifq044345; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:04:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:04:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:04:29 -0000 > than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this i don't discourage beginners that want to learn. Most of them don't. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 19:05:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B75F1065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53458FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:05:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDJ5ffw060887 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:05:49 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBDJ5ffw060887 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229195149; bh=Z7+bB2eNoVPc+m S/+fw0AucJUrSFAqxws2OyOvPZVrg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<4944077F.9000701@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sat,=2 013=20Dec=202008=2019:05:35=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081125)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Release=20s chedules|References:=20<200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questio ns@hst.org.za>=09<20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl>=09=09<18754.4 2851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org>=09<4ad871310812121028m 4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com>=09<26ddd1750812121113o159 0d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com>=09<4ad871310812121128y18db1c1 9n8aa45dcc75794739@mail.gmail.com>=09<26ddd1750812121149r6581ace1ge c21e415afe3deca@mail.gmail.com>=09=20<20081212155145.1618810a@scorpio>|In -Reply-To:=20<20081212155145.1618810a@scorpio>|X-Enigmail-Version:= 200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256= 3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20bounda ry=3D"------------enig57E53217F0B29EDE68D8538B"; b=FvPaRzBiIrv9EUsN N/I1GyYn5NVtim10h1CiOcpD+qdmqvho1PZJNxzgQ3ybXqGd5eBcWw2cTMq0/VDbKVH l+irpsrUY7iDDkaqKV7YsPJ2NwfOq57jIBM9HKUEgglmNx+9pcQ5XdrxElua0u8r+Qf Zu7QRvlgar5y1OQ6F1+NM= Message-ID: <4944077F.9000701@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:05:35 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812121028m4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121113o1590d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310812121128y18db1c19n8aa45dcc75794739@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121149r6581ace1gec21e415afe3deca@mail.gmail.com> <20081212155145.1618810a@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081212155145.1618810a@scorpio> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig57E53217F0B29EDE68D8538B" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:05:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:05:56 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig57E53217F0B29EDE68D8538B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerry wrote: > My biggest gripe with the entire update schedule is that the ports > freeze has been frozen longer than my wife. Maybe having two separate > ports, one for the current version and one for the RC? version might > work better. I have never fully understood why the ports had to be > frozen anyway. Why can there not be two separate entities, the current > version and the beta one? Ports aren't actually frozen at the moment. Neither are they completely open for any sort of updates. Instead they're in a 'slush' -- no sweepin= g changes permitted, no major changes to the infrastructure (ie. bsd.ports.= mk, that sort of thing). This allows the RELEASE_7_1_0 tag to be slid forwar= d in the event of critical or security updates to specific ports. For instanc= e, see: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/databases/phpmyadmin/Makefile= ?only_with_tag=3DRELEASE_7_1_0 That update was committed two days ago, and as it's a security update it = has been tagged as RELEASE_7_1_0, so will in principle appear on the 7.1-isos= =2E (I can't remember if phpmyadmin actually is one of the packages available on= the install CDs or not. Given its popularity, quite possibly.) Docs are in a similar 'slush' state, but in this case it's primarily to a= llow the various translation teams to synch the various language versions to t= he original language the docco was written in (almost always English, but no= t entirely) Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig57E53217F0B29EDE68D8538B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAklEB4UACgkQ8Mjk52CukIx7hwCggSj46Zigeb0DsSNXX1LdRTL6 p2kAnjUaN91OmX0l42iVT5nD3M55WeRS =LMR/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig57E53217F0B29EDE68D8538B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 19:06:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF32B1065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2A38FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDJ6eWl044369; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDJ6deu044366; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:39 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87myf07xw2.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081213200437.I44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87myf07xw2.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Robert Huff , Michel Talon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:06:50 -0000 >> under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. > > In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy > with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with Microsoft at > all? In the non-hypotethical scenario of You being windows user happy with flash in browsers (or maybe linux - doesn't matter), why do you bother FreeBSD users about it at all?! you exactly confirmed what i said From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 19:31:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B14A1065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290C38FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd4ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.141]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 12:31:45 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=E4csF8GCU5bZsMKLva8A:9 a=b9sbaDTJEnCoxS4pfNkA:7 a=W6cIflmuZFWMsl4f8M7JhOS3_OEA:4 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd4ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 12:31:45 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33201701E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:31:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:31:44 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213113144.593bf276@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081213200437.I44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87myf07xw2.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213200437.I44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:31:46 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:39 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. > > > > In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy > > with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with > > Microsoft at all? > > In the non-hypotethical scenario of You being windows user happy with > flash in browsers (or maybe linux - doesn't matter), why do you > bother FreeBSD users about it at all?! > > you exactly confirmed what i said > i don't see how your comment applies. giorgos addressed the 2 scenarios A. happy with os1 app, not bother with os2 B. happy with os2, but likes a os1 app so wants to have it ported or find equivalent. i think giorgos is saying that we have scenario B (while your non-hypothetical is really A) where happy fbsd user would like some other os1 app. i don't see anything wrong with that despite my personal feelings about flash. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 19:43:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DD81065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-32.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-32.bluehost.com [69.89.18.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 12F9A8FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:43:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 4180 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 19:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 19:43:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=dCfVC+m8f+0fIcQLtZR8/h/gJACGPV+A/JS48mQ/tgz6xjlszuWsCEEX75D4RmsjbRyQKP/jQ2LV2J87Kaxbx093qg7GZ7iR2mkSlDTf9/4+d7Pna1e+geoaZgxTPVwI; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBaOf-0001U0-OX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:30 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:43:30 -0000 --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:33:40AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >>that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that lis= t - > >>to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD. > > > >Moderation, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a > >scalpel. One should always be wary of its use where even the slightest > >error might result in significant loss of value. >=20 > you may be right. moderation (censorship) on country or so level is just= =20 > bad (TM). No -- at *any* level: Moderation is, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a scalpel. One should always be wary of its use where even the slightest error might result in significant loss of value. I'm not saying moderation is always bad. I'm saying one should always be wary of it were error can result in damage to overall value. I'll provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe you'll be able to understand my point. When creating firewall rules, the logical and safe way to do it is to first deny all traffic, then create rules to specificallfy allow only the traffic you want -- in the general case, at least. If and when you run across need for something else to be allowed through, add it to the exceptions to the default deny policy. False positives (i.e., things that are denied entry or exit through the firewall) are generally not a big problem, because you can just change the ruleset and try again. When creating spam filter rules, priorities are a little different. In the general case, if you have a default deny policy with exception-based rulesets, you will suffer significant problems. This is because false positives can be much more damaging to your priorities, since receiving an email is not something you can just "try again" in many cases. Important emails may be sent unsolicited, and you may never know they were sent if you don't receive them because your spam filter was overzealous in its identification of emails. It is because of this elevated level of damage caused by false positives in spam filtering that third-party blacklists and strict heuristic spam identification can prove quite suboptimal. Introducing a heuristic filter to a mailing list -- and human moderation is exactly that: a heuristic filter -- can cause the same kind of problem with false positives as a heuristic filter for personal email spam management. >=20 > and what i ask is not to just dump out people asking about "what's progra= m=20 > like photoshop for FreeBSD", but creating list group for that=20 > (freebsd-software@... or freebsd-programs@...) and redirecting them=20 > there! Actually, my take on the list name "freebsd-questions" is that it's for "howto" questions related to FreeBSD -- not that it's specifically, and only, for "questions about the FreeBSD Base System". In much the same manner that there are a lot of mailing lists for "questions about Linux" that deal with much more than just the Linux kernel, I don't think anyone in a position to make such demands of the community has clarified "questions about FreeBSD" to be limited, in intent, to "questions about the FreeBSD Base System". I look at the freebsd-questions information page: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions =2E . . and I don't see anything saying "If your question does not pertain directly, and solely, to the Base System, you should not ask it on this list." In fact, if that *was* the rule, this list would probably only get something like two questions in a five month period on average. Most of them would just be repeats, probably mostly related to how to use csup. Is that what you want -- a list so restrictive and low-traffic as to be almost pointless? >=20 > and leave freebsd-questions for QUESTIONS ABOUT FREEBSD As far as I can tell, that's *exactly* what this list is -- if you assume FreeBSD is more than the Base System, and includes things like the peripheral projects associated with it, and its users. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Naguib Mahfouz: "You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions." --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklEEEYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXAswCdGMQ4NHxNt6YszfSEq/yTcoRB rRQAn3//ewxncxsi3gGsSr/JiXC2CE5y =ZQt8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 19:45:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FE1106572B for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-102.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-102.bluehost.com [69.89.22.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23B218FC24 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 30171 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 19:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 19:45:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=HCCSH3/ACeUihF7+LJhislMWSGgHsXvGCq3xij68j2kM6bcoN/uh9EH7DxGYfWJQtYAKmCvWHb+beFIirVwk13LJW1wdix4nOkohziEROZkhtWA7S5Oo7F+BSMRQHFpu; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBaQi-0002Hy-3k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:45:36 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:45:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:45:09 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213194509.GB51063@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212112516.5b16a5e3@gom.home> <20081213134743.L9288@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213134743.L9288@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:45:36 -0000 --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 01:48:02PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > >>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >I think too much of this discussion is OT, maybe it's time to go in=20 > >freebsd-chat@? >=20 > indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for freebsd-chat, too. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Mike Maples, as quoted by James Gleick: "My job is to get a fair share of the software applications market, and to me that's 100 percent." --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklEEMUACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUsVgCguOcTZ4sBpSlndoczSfQzOULW Q3EAniVDYptvOihiITpVfT5tsbdxCIYZ =9P5Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 19:57:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB041065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36C68FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDJvScZ044485; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:57:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDJvSxY044482; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:57:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:57:28 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081213205638.D44481@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:57:42 -0000 >> bad (TM). > > No -- at *any* level: you are wrong. for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees ktalk about your company. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:04:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14664106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CFD8FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDK484j044520; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:04:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDK48xL044517; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:04:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:04:08 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081213194509.GB51063@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081213205742.U44489@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081212112516.5b16a5e3@gom.home> <20081213134743.L9288@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194509.GB51063@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:04:20 -0000 >>> freebsd-chat@? >> >> indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics > > You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now > and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for > freebsd-chat, too. And certainly will AFTER such offtopic discussion won't be appearing here. i mean such offtopic discussion like: - comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD specific, like "what is better windoze or KDE" - how to make is KDE/Gnome - it's not FreeBSD specific, of course we can answer how to do it without KDE/Gnome :) - "When there will be 64-bit Nvidia Xorg support" - ask NVidia or Xorg team. It's not part of FreeBSD after there will be stopped, i will stop complaining From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:06:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA34E1065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com [67.222.39.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B4B268FC18 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 3183 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 20:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 20:06:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=eua9PJrNBcAWw/4G4SH4c8xJSvpbPSFptFKdcBdhtYG2yu6FDSvrRXHUDqbv25a9HayQ28vqVKkw0FdElZJU2iDQJ1OF1PIeuCBZiQUTmKme5R22hFN4y8lxkR4cPVGE; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBakc-0000NY-Oc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:06:10 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:05:43 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:05:43 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213200543.GC51063@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213104642.M8959@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gr/z0/N6AeWAPJVB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213104642.M8959@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:11 -0000 --gr/z0/N6AeWAPJVB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>>I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. > >> > >>exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions > >>others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. > > > >You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to > >make purchases of "total package" products rather than building something >=20 > there are products for them. In other words, your answer seems to be: "We don't want users who like FreeBSD, but want to use it on a laptop. FreeBSD should never be used on a laptop." I'd say I can safely ignore you, knowing that's your attitude, if it weren't for the fact that a lot of other people won't know that down the line, and you may permanently damage the FreeBSD project by chasing off potential contributors. Is there any way I can get you to stop being such a contentious trojan horse of an enemy to the FreeBSD project? --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] They always say that when life gives you lemons you should make lemonade.= =20 I always wonder -- isn't the lemonade going to suck if life doesn't give you any sugar? --gr/z0/N6AeWAPJVB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklEFZcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXR/gCfWMf2uqLYDJ0HbxoE+9awEFjA huQAoMSLg8f6xdd6lzdbkeahNg3+lc14 =0u5R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gr/z0/N6AeWAPJVB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:09:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1781065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com [67.222.39.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25F3D8FC30 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 8957 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 20:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 20:09:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=My85Y/+ZGWYYeMdZjMtrAyrvEKSReuvQb3rcxxprQODtlCWUAaUSeEPV3Z5FxlmeN6OT1kAuJ8uCCFZDjNafLNSaaZlHohh/NLYCaRkYD4vsQTU90hSVgVBbnvGSM4jw; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBaoI-0001h3-60 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:09:58 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:09:31 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:09:31 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213200931.GD51063@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213163709.GA17550@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fOHHtNG4YXGJ0yqR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213163709.GA17550@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:09:58 -0000 --fOHHtNG4YXGJ0yqR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:37:09AM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: > On Sat 13 Dec 2008 at 01:44:03 PST Chad Perrin wrote: > > > >I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for > >obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general > >ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java > >is the best programming language around because that's what "most" > >programmers use and have some vague, unsupported (but stubborn) notion > >that secrets are good for business. At least it *seems* they all think > >so. >=20 > There's no need to impute any insidious or lazy motive to them. If they > can sell their product without documenting any API's, they will tend to > do so, as a way of cutting costs and thus increasing their profits. What about that isn't either insidious or lazy? >=20 > As for their "obstinate refusal", I think they often have a reasonable > fear that if they do provide documentation, it will create an ongoing > demand for support. No matter how much effort you put into > documentation, there always seem to be some questions you haven't > answered, and people will be pestering you for the answers. More costs! > But once you've opened the door by publishing the documentation, it's > hard to close it gracefully. So they probably figure it's better to > just say no at the outset. I think that fear is, in fact, *unreasonable*. I also don't think it's the only unreasonable fear they have -- and that the bigger fear is probably that they would create "competitors" somehow, magically, without providing any information that directly encourages competition for their hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support or simply charge people extra for drivers, *then* I could see this being a problem, but I haven't seen a whole lot of that kind of rent-seeking behavior from graphics adapter vendors. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Albert Camus: "An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself." --fOHHtNG4YXGJ0yqR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklEFnsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKV2bQCg5Sfixx/9w3f5gYOrLx93esKe 25oAoJGQmjQCNf+tVQfcAYVmO2/kUCUi =Vq4S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fOHHtNG4YXGJ0yqR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:14:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808761065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:14:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0438FC2E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:14:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 15:14:19 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PHX63053; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 15:14:19 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18756.6041.574155.725937@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:14:17 -0500 To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Robert Huff , Michel Talon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:14:20 -0000 Wojciech Puchar writes: > so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not > FreeBSD developers job. Except Flash support depends (/inter alia/) on the Linux emulation layer, which has been accepted as part of the "FreeBSD developers" job. Indeed, I get the feeling Flash is sort of a quiet proxy for the general health of a number of less well known but nonetheless useful bits and pieces. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:17:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED83106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-33.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-33.bluehost.com [69.89.18.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BAFC8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 30692 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2008 20:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 20:17:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=jy6VLxIJgGxNk2nHo0tIUr4s7Y9jLoJzO29yohX8wCSgTA7BTzA1Wogqcq7XSz56rHQPQp6sFZh3XK+tXOUsjFZ2Nu7M3FYKBEhzBhVtO7xLu64s+PK2q5czv0wdVhxX; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LBavh-00049g-AL for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:17:37 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:17:10 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:17:10 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20081213201710.GE51063@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <1013558171.20081213113939@maps.mi.ru> <4943801E.1000306@gmail.com> <34816500.20081213130432@maps.mi.ru> <4943AB57.2060600@gmail.com> <1164220109.20081213154715@maps.mi.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u5E4XgoOPWr4PD9E" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1164220109.20081213154715@maps.mi.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Cc: Subject: Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:17:37 -0000 --u5E4XgoOPWr4PD9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 03:47:15PM +0300, Renat wrote: > Yes. I try . But not worked!! >=20 > ----- > webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade > Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. > Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... d= one. > Fetching metadata index... done. > Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. >=20 >=20 > I probe you solution change change server from > update.freebsd.org to update1.freebsd.org >=20 > Not worked((( >=20 > What's is is the Bug on the FreeBSD servers? Did you try that before or after you overwrote the built-in freebsd-update with the add-on freebsd-update.sh? If you tried it only *after* you clobbered freebsd-update, your problem is that you're still trying to use the freebsd-update.sh. That being the case, you should restore the original freebsd-update before trying again. If you tried it *before* you moved freebsd-update.sh, I hope someone else can help you, because I don't know. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Alan Perlis: "LISP programmers know the value of everything and the cost of nothing." --u5E4XgoOPWr4PD9E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklEGEYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVC0ACgjTin+oZivYs5F0K1f8e3WPBU yu0AoJwkSNlWJ0X8y1ygTgnzEL0pslsB =/VM5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u5E4XgoOPWr4PD9E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:26:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCE71065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:26:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D400C8FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:26:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd5ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.166]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 13:26:22 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=Z6pasX9hNCFaDMVPo_EA:9 a=WKJnD_SGadjkk0clWl0A:7 a=Fm03kZM5pJbFPe5Ugupb8jC71Z4A:4 a=fgf5PR_cwQYA:10 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd5ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 13:26:21 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5EE1701E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:21 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:26:23 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > I'll > provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe > you'll be able to understand my point ... > good illustrative examples, chad! i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for instance, people who talk about foreign currency values on a freebsd list should be watched very closely. woj made a good point in another post i think in that he's happy helping beginners who really do wish to learn. i know i've come across some who think the world owes them everything and make ridiculous demands on a list (not to mention ot posts - and they aren't even trying to sell you anything!). however, in general i like giorgos' comment the best that he was helped a decade ago and he's returning that favor. so in that respect, i agree with your 'false positives' concern - innocent till proven guilty! anyone know if there are moderators for this list? i know there are some very nice people who keep watch. once i messaged the test list with a ports question (i was having trouble emailing this one - so i was testing to see if there was some problem in general), and a very considerate person from freebsd.org, Remko Lodder, emailed me asking if i knew that i was emailing the test list. i found it really decent that people look out for others here! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:38:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C88106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C99E8FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDKcUq9044632; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:38:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDKcTTg044629; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:38:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:38:29 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> Message-ID: <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:38:41 -0000 > good illustrative examples, chad! > > i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for instance, it all depends if FreeBSD has to be treated as public projects or somehow private. I'm not talking about open/closed source as it's opensource, but it's private as there are well defined core team+developers, not random people. without moderation it's a mess. It's nice people like to help other people, but it's bad it helps them on that lists with OFF-TOPIC problems. i don't mean moderation like removing one opinions and not others. But removing off-topic messages, that are 95% now or more. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:39:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E1D1065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B1A8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDKdBKt044639; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:39:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDKd9m1044636; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:39:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:39:09 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robert Huff In-Reply-To: <18756.6041.574155.725937@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: <20081213213835.V44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <18756.6041.574155.725937@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Michel Talon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:39:23 -0000 > > Except Flash support depends (/inter alia/) on the Linux > emulation layer, which has been accepted as part of the "FreeBSD > developers" job. Indeed, I get the feeling Flash is sort of a quiet flash runs under linux emulation with linux binary browsers. what a problem? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:42:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B221065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:42:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A198FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDKgWjQ044654; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:42:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDKgW4d044651; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:42:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:42:32 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081213200931.GD51063@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081213214016.X44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213163709.GA17550@comcast.net> <20081213200931.GD51063@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:42:46 -0000 > probably that they would create "competitors" somehow, magically, without > providing any information that directly encourages competition for their > hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support > or simply charge people extra for drivers, *then* I could see this being > a problem, but I haven't seen a whole lot of that kind of rent-seeking > behavior from graphics adapter vendors. i don't see any problem. There is a product - for example Nvidia powersuckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hfull 3D accellerators. Their can this, that, blah, blah and blah, they don't have FreeBSD support. There are other products, they can this that blah blah and have FreeBSD support. You need blah blah and blah under FreeBSD, you don't buy nvidia. end of topic. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:44:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E2B1065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80BBA8FC1D for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79242 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2008 20:44:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=DIw38Psv+ZmYq/bghmzAdGdjqj3GWSIBF/9KLBigifSUAGMc2AZHLpOHZOoWdXPcj2Ng1lC8OY4sAhoptFnIu0YPZOI0YMq/lY95vbrhuPLQ8Ygtt+Em0/TwDolvWV05JDniiF0XjOfJD8+c9lVVkrxe/cLibWUYCuFFqTURh0Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 20:44:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3qy5NYsVM1nBouEL5iEGUV2q0sCz5U71kTdQFNZnN5fAzP3fA.m6rwmxSnE1eWvqx8NiBE89.dJDZ4HFkfSFtMg46a.d.RXfJS0fJ7bDEAepZAXcfcmJWfHjlOTh4IjVJMO8v.zhHtwclLHMuue49Ix5rEQUD162GgYUZ6n270sr5MObumY_xPc57eQhc7V_hXolxVWlftmktPulF58GK6IAqfk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:43:40 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213154340.0cc37dfe@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081213205742.U44489@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081212112516.5b16a5e3@gom.home> <20081213134743.L9288@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194509.GB51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213205742.U44489@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/0EGAy+zKfG5KcZc36132uTu"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:44:28 -0000 --Sig_/0EGAy+zKfG5KcZc36132uTu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:04:08 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >And certainly will AFTER such offtopic discussion won't be appearing >here. > >i mean such offtopic discussion like: > >- comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD=20 >specific, like "what is better windoze or KDE" > >- how to make is KDE/Gnome - it's not FreeBSD=20 >specific, of course we can answer how to do it without KDE/Gnome :) > >- "When there will be 64-bit Nvidia Xorg support" - ask NVidia or Xorg=20 >team. It's not part of FreeBSD > > >after there will be stopped, i will stop complaining Better yet, start your own list. Then you can play the roles of f=C3=BChrer and Gestapo all to your own liking. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com For an idea to be fashionable is ominous, since it must afterwards be always old-fashioned. --Sig_/0EGAy+zKfG5KcZc36132uTu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklEHqgACgkQBvaKIJWWCO0P0wCff3mNPxa8W/4FobnKnorCw6J6 V1sAni3QmdnPg55v4LZwo8Zw6y35lYCG =PuQN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/0EGAy+zKfG5KcZc36132uTu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:47:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09C11065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:47:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5E08FC16 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDKln5a044672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:47:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDKln2H044669 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:47:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:47:49 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081213154340.0cc37dfe@scorpio> Message-ID: <20081213214521.E44665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081212112516.5b16a5e3@gom.home> <20081213134743.L9288@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194509.GB51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213205742.U44489@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213154340.0cc37dfe@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1626729238-238709918-1229201269=:44665" Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:47:58 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1626729238-238709918-1229201269=:44665 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >> team. It's not part of FreeBSD >> >> >> after there will be stopped, i will stop complaining > > Better yet, start your own list. Then you can play the roles of führer > and Gestapo all to your own liking. i am not FreeBSD owner/creator. If i would sell a product/service that would need mailing list for support i will certainly do this, so that list will support my product, not others, and to remove mess and offtopic threads. If you wish you can call me "fuhrer" ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly got too far. Please control your words more. --1626729238-238709918-1229201269=:44665-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:38:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B26D106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:38:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rus-os@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards1.yandex.ru (forwards1.yandex.ru [77.88.60.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4307E8FC16 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:38:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rus-os@yandex.ru) Received: from webmail44.yandex.ru (webmail44.yandex.ru [77.88.60.23]) by forwards1.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 12D2BC890C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:28:08 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:8854 "EHLO localhost" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S360488AbYLMU2H (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:28:07 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Received: from [194.6.220.93] ([194.6.220.93]) by mail.yandex.ru with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:28:06 +0300 From: =?KOI8-R?B?58/SzM/XIOHMxcvTwc7E0g==?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <462611229200086@webmail44.yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:28:06 +0300 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:02:16 +0000 Subject: letter X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:38:36 -0000 Mr. developers of FreeBSD , do you have to seal FreeBSD in Rushia under anoder trade mark . If you say Yes i wate your answer on this letter at this mail address . OK ? Best regards from Alexsandr Gorlov . -- ńÎÄĹËÓ.ćĎÔËÉ - ĚĹÇËĎ ÚÁÇŇŐÚÉÔŘ Ó ÍĎÂÉĚŘÎĎÇĎ http://mobile.yandex.ru/fotki/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 21:31:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81343106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C06F8FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd4ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.141]) by pd3mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 14:31:52 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=057HfUZk8DdrvbB0s5IA:9 a=e1mru7AtMgKiOePhkIkA:7 a=nSNRl6CpO-jobfJd544oTcNd9ygA:4 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd4ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 14:31:52 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB231701E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:31:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:31:51 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213133151.5d833c1c@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:31:53 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:38:29 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > It's nice people like to help other people, but it's bad it helps > them on that lists with OFF-TOPIC problems. > agreed! i think these illustrations you present are relevant: >- comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD >specific, like "what is better windoze or KDE" > i think questions like this come as a result of the asker not knowing the landscape (which is certainly forgivable) or just wanting a quick answer without wanting to understand anything (which is not). more appropriate - how is freebsd better than windoze? btw, just in case anyone is interested this is the page that got to go to freebsd way back when: http://people.freebsd.org/%7Emurray/bsd_flier.html (don't know how accurate it is now, but it is a comparison of freebsd, linux and win2000) i've travelled around a fair bit with both bsds and linuxes, but came back to freebsd. >- "When there will be 64-bit Nvidia Xorg support" - ask NVidia or Xorg >team. It's not part of FreeBSD > i would think a question like this would be asked by people who don't understand the mechanisms involved specifically that freebsd doesn't provide the drivers and that it is unreasonable to expect the already generous developers to reverse engineer something like this. > i don't mean moderation like removing one opinions and not others. > agreed. that would be unreasonable censorship. you're reply to another post: > If you wish you can call me "fuhrer" ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly > got too far. > :D good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm. moderation would definitely not be a bad thing in some situations! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 21:46:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126381065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618488FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:46:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDLk9uU068157; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:46:10 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBDLk9uU068157 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229204770; bh=CEN35/XFRtV6IN e10bMQcirCxI+gWNxFstkmC6M7w6o=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<49442D1B.4000608@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sat,=2 013=20Dec=202008=2021:46:03=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081125)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Nguyen=20Tam=20Chinh=20|CC:=20freebsd-qu estions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Centralized=20DB=20of=20"syste m"=20users|References:=20<139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7c fe@mail.gmail.com>=09<49422A05.6050907@gmail.com>=20=09<20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=09<9 bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com>=09<2008 1212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=09<139b44430812120527w7b2 2d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com>=09=20<64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com>| In-Reply-To:=20<64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.g mail.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/si gned=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pg p-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigD805165F339D466 B95BA5A42"; b=sFcq4ZnubIkI+N9j8V6129XobgFiwKP0oa6Ur0JLcbaCOgrLbvKsB 4dISKcFDaB1F8FPbIxGWAS8EB2M932xwkTboYJSqNPnWhSDDny5t0D3c6qo/b19XzWZ Xg788RcHK/w6g4RrbJVzN6KsxnUB4yiPEz55LQO8YfhVjNfsBZI= Message-ID: <49442D1B.4000608@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:46:03 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nguyen Tam Chinh References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> <64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigD805165F339D466B95BA5A42" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:46:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:46:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigD805165F339D466B95BA5A42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nguyen Tam Chinh wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Ivan Voras wrote:= >> Valentin Bud wrote: >>> If you only have UNIX systems in LAN. But in my case i have Linux + F= reeBSD >>> (server). From the handbook >>> NIS only works between FBSDs. Am i missing something? >> You are correct. >> >=20 > Hmm, I have NIS server on an old Solaris 8 and all clients are Linux > (I can't use FBSD at work due so far). So it sounds strange if NIS > works only between FBSDs, something not standard in the > implementation? > Anyway, I also vote for the LDAP. Later on when you need to introduce > new services, LDAP will integrate better. NIS is very specific for > *nix world. >=20 The problem with NIS between Linux and FreeBSD is the format of the password database. FreeBSD uses /etc/master.passwd -- which contains everything that's in the standard /etc/passwd file and adds the password hashes and several extra columns to do with password expiry and login groups. Linux, and other SysV-alike systems like Solaris have /etc/passwd -- same= as on FreeBSD -- and /etc/shadow: a separate file with password hashes an= d various controls for password expiry. The formats of /etc/master.passwd and /etc/shadow are incompatible, although (assuming the password hashes are compatible) it should be a fairly small matter of programming to writ= e scripts to convert between the two. In the case where you have a FreeBSD NIS server and Linux clients, it is perfectly feasible to have the FreeBSD box serve a Linux-style /etc/shado= w database via NIS. This means users can log in on Linux machines, and I think it's also not too difficult to make changing passwords over NIS wor= k (although ICBW), but the client users will not automatically be able to l= og into the central (FreeBSD) NIS server. Some might view this as a /featur= e/. Of course, as has been pointed out else-thread, LDAP is the way of the=20 future. It's much more scalable and interoperable between different OSes= than NIS, provides huge amounts of extra functionality and it supports things like geographically distributed sites all sharing the same passwor= d database but with local users managed from local servers. (LDAP is a hierarchical database much like the DNS. As with the DNS, sub-domains in= the LDAP tree can be delegated off to different servers. Although that's= pretty advanced usage). Even a basic setup does require a much steeper learning curve to get it going from scratch than most of the alternatives= =2E Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigD805165F339D466B95BA5A42 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAklELSEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxyXgCfYTi2Patsg7eU5hFT5L8t0upR 5wAAnRSr9ku2jXZDbYfMp3BFInqPH+WV =hZ3j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigD805165F339D466B95BA5A42-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 21:50:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EAA10656AD for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCD78FC18 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:50:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDLnwWO044812; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:49:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDLnwNh044809; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:49:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:49:58 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20081213133151.5d833c1c@gom.home> Message-ID: <20081213224710.Q44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213133151.5d833c1c@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:50:08 -0000 > > > you're reply to another post: >> If you wish you can call me "fuhrer" ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly >> got too far. >> > :D > good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm. i think it's a problem of fear about past consorship in many countries. But this is completely different things. Moderation is not censorship like that, as EVERYONE can create it's own mailing lists :) > moderation would definitely not be a bad thing in some situations! and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that moderator's job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. NOTHING else. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 21:50:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AD11065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:50:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A880D8FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:50:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBDLpVLl063200 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:51:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:50:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:50:53 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:51:00 -0000 guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a "your mail was opened on user@foo.com". i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? [2 da ago i send cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my paragraph. i'd like to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully was glanced at!] tia, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 21:55:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC6A106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96D18FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDLtf0T044833; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:55:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDLte4i044830; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:55:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:55:40 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <49442D1B.4000608@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081213225041.P44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> <64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com> <49442D1B.4000608@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Nguyen Tam Chinh , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:55:51 -0000 > Of course, as has been pointed out else-thread, LDAP is the way of the > future. It's much more scalable and interoperable between different OSes and much more overcomplex, mostly unneeded complexity IMHO. Please think twice before telling about "the way of the future". It's just one way, and i wish in "the future" i will still have a choice between many different tools and solutions, and be able to choose THE SIMPLEST for the problem, as i always do. As i didn't use NIS for a some time and never in FreeBSD i can't tell more about this, but at first look problem of database format is trivial, as master.passwd could be converted to 2-file format with few lines of shell script, and i could be done periodically to make them up to date. Sorry if i missed something because i was some time ago. I just don't like overcomplex tools for simple tasks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 21:58:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86D51065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E898FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDLwiee044844; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:58:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDLwiLc044841; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:58:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:58:44 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> Message-ID: <20081213225621.D44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:58:55 -0000 > guys, > > i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a "your mail was opened > on user@foo.com". i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to > get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] If i understood you correctly, you mean confirmation of mail being read. It is not mail server job, it's purely mail client functionality. I'm not even sure if it was ever standarized. but for sure sendmail.mc/cf is not the right place to search only your mail program configs/docs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 22:02:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD291065678 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF6B8FC19 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:02:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so4731451bwz.19 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:02:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+zbKMb6kK/SO5W7X3krgC9JY6eHATf34OtGfm044WfQ=; b=nEEKmN7yetxYk1tvK/+Yt2axEtjNz30/0MTX/2qEcAU5Km7Rl/Y8BSHhVp6VnowAOT BRRgB70UEWlBZrkzpV8z2oRl2D1nMLonHjq/53HTSnPcRNmB4M+a/4HU5LS+fqPbg0uV kYwUMTg3cP+IiDNnjBQ3msdSWMtlnU1USJc3Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=COJu7T20Dq214f0clTSBYjErJ9A8GiVVdiX1tmRv2+4g128Zo9UStP6gQRxTH5FyYP qOvvlHA/QKphX3qCG+dCW0JaNSGqVsWBj2l2oysWJqQN7Rg1P/I9UC5I5X9wT6jqo+Dk ivpMUtwWuJDknLf9oy2OrXMvJntMOltW9OaeI= Received: by 10.103.244.19 with SMTP id w19mr2387458mur.134.1229205768747; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:02:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812131402o6674fa64wd104268eafafec0f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:02:48 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Gary Kline" In-Reply-To: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:02:51 -0000 On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > guys, > > i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a "your mail was opened > on user@foo.com". i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to > get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] > way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? [2 da ago i send > cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my paragraph. i'd like > to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully was glanced at!] > I believe you're looking for a receipt confirmation tool, but I don't believe mutt has that capability, as its job is to write mail, and direct it to the MTA. Either way, receipt confirmations are not always accurate, as I never send confirmations that I have received mail -- then I'd *need* to reply. -- Glen Barber "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 22:07:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8371065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766AD8FC16 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so1155147mue.3 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:07:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=cVCaRZNVpBiQOD4GINZVpAsAlv3UAuMZmt1Gfo2l1jQ=; b=FFd0otAl8rvFEX1LG+MgdfLLK4AEiWLYd/5rfpOavytcRmyFgD+TtMo3njt96OI1WZ mjMKjcjeB5YX5eRpaHtcmbsuA3URE7yQh2Ha7O810qe0lHHGKWlNenmE62ykw6Szi8kP 9iz2gDupgBZKQQOOiFeDWniYOucCiu/DACFS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=CQ5fYZqEGrfs6661UR3tY/kGGqNWhz2L2XrIgxAM1hBWOxV+bkN1Loo7GdbTiycjTM fOtglK6dINFgHRZjYhTZE1hSZ3bN+q3j6I5cCWFYFn11QVPn6/3PAihSPvyJKsyULkaO xDziV3RYl9hlYE2ESkQHEq8TWo8IWpnigK5L8= Received: by 10.103.52.7 with SMTP id e7mr2400018muk.52.1229206032017; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:07:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812131407x18397e85r969125ae4c134d65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:07:11 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Zbigniew Szalbot" In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0812131018r717c6ac0uc3cf6172601fe26@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <200812131844.33151.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <94136a2c0812131018r717c6ac0uc3cf6172601fe26@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:07:14 -0000 On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Hello, > >> As a community, we should be ashamed of this: ``volunteer effort'' just isn't >> a good enough excuse - and those of us who haven't volunteered need to find >> out how we can help get things back on track for the next release. When I >> first raised this, I asked if there was anything I could do to help the >> release engineering team with communication. Zbigniew Szalbot made a similar >> offer. > > Thank you Jonathan - I cannot give much to FBSD as I am not a > programmer either but - again - if I can be of any use > communication-wise, I am happy to join the community and serve. > I second that, and would be happy to participate as well. -- Glen Barber "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 22:09:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A6E1065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A983A8FC1A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:09:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBDM8sHA030988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:08:59 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDL4lff005259; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:04:47 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBDL4iDr005258; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:04:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: prad References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:04:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> (prad@towardsfreedom.com's message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:21 -0800") Message-ID: <87ej0bkcr8.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBDM8sHA030988 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.859, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:09:06 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:21 -0800, prad wrote: > anyone know if there are moderators for this list? > > i know there are some very nice people who keep watch. once i messaged > the test list with a ports question (i was having trouble emailing this > one - so i was testing to see if there was some problem in general), > and a very considerate person from freebsd.org, Remko Lodder, emailed > me asking if i knew that i was emailing the test list. No, we don't have moderators on freebsd-questions. We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless it is. We seem to be doing quite fine without moderation so far. We even advertise freebsd-questions as the main "contact point for questions about FreeBSD" on release notes, our web site, and on the CD-ROM or DVD-ROM images sold by FreeBSD distributors like FreeBSD-Mall. There are very good reasons to keep this status quo. I have yet to see *one* good reason for introducing moderation. > i found it really decent that people look out for others here! Yes, that's the spirit :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 22:10:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E461065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66008FC1E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBDMAM63031146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:28 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDMAMtl006153; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBDMAKk7006152; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:20 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Gary Kline References: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> (Gary Kline's message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:50:53 -0800") Message-ID: <87fxkrn2us.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBDMAM63031146 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.859, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:10:33 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:50:53 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > guys, > > i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a "your mail was > opened on user@foo.com". i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do > not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps > a sendmail.[cf|mc] way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? > [2 da ago i send cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my > paragraph. i'd like to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully > was glanced at!] I don't think there's a way to *force* the recipients of your messages to reply whenever they read a post. Your MUA can "ask" for this sort of 'email receipt', but the recipient can always ignore it. My mailers always ignore this sort of mis-feature, for instance, because I consider it a violation of my privacy. Whenever I get one of these ``call home'' emails, I can't help but think: ``Why would you want to know that I woke up in the middle of the night, fired up Emacs, read a few qmail messages, but then thought it best to keep sleeping rather than reply to your message?'' Having said that, you can configure _your_ mutt instance to send DSN replies. Look for the dsn_notify and dsn_return options in the manual of Mutt. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 22:15:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E4D106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:15:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD2D8FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so4739459bwz.19 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:15:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=B6pITVsP/XU/Fq1+/agqNEEKMgAvLVQz3kCZeJtdDeo=; b=lYoxb2AqHfBvdsMCH05JDPSbzNj286pFcJrMrvuSvVMptMF3+MFeAPb7PnXheXBJE+ khKdTb07K+rAscHfQFtBHqeuKTlKIX0VkYki+sYWglk2SKe9DviadrRhuzFC5ZEPOFV2 jCaGVbVL5shXst+ES3kvbmapDa7AmYxj9ci7M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HCSTk5DFLBrZYSwHw9msZmRg5anbuKOfkDu3AFhq0l1balYnwlkcPxexKBsdJiCS3X 8dsenvbM1I4dyzcyIZvvGCdIu8ajYpUMnNzAYK7ck0ta5dcWe5CxLkgWNS1Onu/Nq+KS THht7aKgSgCzWcnR02+EpAtYkmQTKut9O+udk= Received: by 10.103.192.2 with SMTP id u2mr2409782mup.2.1229206538903; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:15:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812131415j155967dbsb4ea39e30b6e7f6f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:15:38 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081213205742.U44489@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081212112516.5b16a5e3@gom.home> <20081213134743.L9288@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194509.GB51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213205742.U44489@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:15:42 -0000 On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> freebsd-chat@? >>> >>> indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics >> >> You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now >> and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for >> freebsd-chat, too. > > And certainly will AFTER such offtopic discussion won't be appearing here. > > i mean such offtopic discussion like: > > - comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD > specific, like "what is better windoze or KDE" > I have yet to see a topic on questions@ regarding windows vs KDE. > - how to make is KDE/Gnome - it's not FreeBSD > specific, of course we can answer how to do it without KDE/Gnome :) > I agree with this, to a point. That's what freebsd-kde@, freebsd-gnome@ are for, but sometimes questions are too generalized, and end up here. > - "When there will be 64-bit Nvidia Xorg support" - ask NVidia or Xorg team. > It's not part of FreeBSD > It is, indirectly. Although the FreeBSD developers shouldn't be responsible for this kind of thing, they most probably have more direct contact and "inside information" with these type of vendors. > > after there will be stopped, i will stop complaining Doubtful. -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 22:17:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF3B1065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:17:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7A98FC2E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:17:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDSK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id mBDMH455080880; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:17:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Polytropon" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:18:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20081205164750.20fce934.freebsd@edvax.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:17:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: DVD cloning tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:17:23 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Polytropon > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:48 AM > To: Andrew Gould > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: DVD cloning tool > > > I'm searching for the same functionality applyable to DVD, > so I can easily clone video DVDs I made, as well as data DVDs > or DVDs with audio tracks (yes, this works, too). > > Hi Polytropon, Thought I would put in my $0.02 here. Your not going to find a tool like this under FreeBSD or any freeOS that I know of. The issue is one of assumptions. The so-called "cheap DVD"s that you speak of which have bad sectors, in actuality do NOT have bad sectors - at least, not randomly bad sectors, that is. More and more commercial DVD's are coming these days with copy protection on them. When the video DVD is read as an ISO, the reader gets to a certain block in the DVD then commences to return errors. I am not sure how the video playing software gets around it but I suspect it sends a command to the reader. The only program I know of that reads these is a Windows program called DVD Fab. It's trialware, you can download it and run it for a month. It also gets around the known copy protection schemes used in BlueRay which are considerably more sophisticated. If you can make an ISO of a video DVD with this program but it fails using dd, then your dealing with copy protection. For example rental DVD's of Pirates of the Carribean 3 and Clone Wars both have this. I don't know if the versions you buy have this as well, I suspect they don't since my guess is someone is getting royalties on this scheme somewhere. I would love to see someone write some code to get around this for use with dd program. Of course, I know your NOT trying to illegally copy commercial DVDs so it's not necessary for you to reply with protests. Heh. Ted From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 22:30:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928E81065673 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:30:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04688FC1C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDMUna2070041; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:30:50 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBDMUna2070041 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229207450; bh=PIGDX0BozCBG9G Pfh3/n6vAQHRX0aMbhQI2iX0j05lU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<49443793.9030404@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sat,=2 013=20Dec=202008=2022:30:43=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081125)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Wojciech=20Puchar=20|CC:=2 0Nguyen=20Tam=20Chinh=20,=20freebsd-questions@fre ebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Centralized=20DB=20of=20"system"=20users| References:=20<139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gma il.com>=20<49422A05.6050907@gmail.com>=20=20<20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=20<9bbcef730812 120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com>=20<20081212141156. E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=20<139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cb f308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com>=20=20<64b28 4310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com>=20<49442D1B .4000608@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20<20081213225041.P44804@wojtek.te nsor.gdynia.pl>|In-Reply-To:=20<20081213225041.P44804@wojtek.tensor .gdynia.pl>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/ signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/ pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig496E7CAB19EAE 366CFC0DA23"; b=ZY0UpemTPMG+yyAHQa0MvWQC+Enj+fvzYVKTSYinPFMN0K73ub6 5QaluMFnxAutD9f8HNgQLntR31d+sITwm5MydH09qlPCganP57tvyvkBLylNt/oybM/ jRYUx9pBmD3NyvOJilvAwOephiuZ4cgQXG7lZzNRBwvNSQGuZbWps= Message-ID: <49443793.9030404@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:30:43 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> <64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com> <49442D1B.4000608@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081213225041.P44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081213225041.P44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig496E7CAB19EAE366CFC0DA23" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:30:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Nguyen Tam Chinh , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:30:56 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig496E7CAB19EAE366CFC0DA23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Of course, as has been pointed out else-thread, LDAP is the way of the= =20 >> future. It's much more scalable and interoperable between different O= Ses >=20 > and much more overcomplex, mostly unneeded complexity IMHO. Please thin= k=20 > twice before telling about "the way of the future". It's just one way, = > and i wish in "the future" i will still have a choice between many=20 > different tools and solutions, and be able to choose THE SIMPLEST for=20 > the problem, as i always do. >=20 > As i didn't use NIS for a some time and never in FreeBSD i can't tell=20 > more about this, but at first look problem of database format is=20 > trivial, as master.passwd could be converted to 2-file format with few = > lines of shell script, and i could be done periodically to make them up= =20 > to date. >=20 > Sorry if i missed something because i was some time ago. >=20 > I just don't like overcomplex tools for simple tasks. Funnily enough, I am actually in complete agreement with you. When I said "The Way of the Future" -- that should be read with a certain degree= of irony. No one is going to remove the simpler ways of doing this stuff= any time soon, because the simple way is the right way for the vast major= ity of cases. Almost all of the systems I have any administrative oversight = of just use local password databases and SSH keys for authentication. I do have a few instances where we use an LDAP back-end to provide an=20 authentication database for various web sites or other applications. Here= the primary benefit is actually being able to build a distributed user DB *without* having to give everybody local unix accounts. The benefits outweigh the extra complexity involved. Sure LDAP is complicated, but it's of the same order of complexity as a RDBMS system like MySQL. And like MySQL, there are right times, places and ways to use it, and wrong ones too. Yes, there is a lot of complexit= y, but that means there's a lot of flexibility too. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig496E7CAB19EAE366CFC0DA23 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAklEN5kACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwEhACfYa464LKVoZv8JCLfgU4XBJFH c8MAnRENTnZhPkbnrhCtHU4ka2Ora6S+ =V6pX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig496E7CAB19EAE366CFC0DA23-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 23:03:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D4A1065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D928FC19 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd5ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.166]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 16:03:21 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=i-O6DF06dJCivi8sF_4A:9 a=yZS__EMVrntmBTcB75QA:7 a=eLjCG2ByaFcKe6ObULDXDeaPBjwA:4 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd5ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 16:03:21 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAD61701E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:03:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:03:20 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213150320.54cbf380@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <87ej0bkcr8.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <87ej0bkcr8.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:03:21 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:04:43 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens > of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the > entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little > spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so > transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless > it is. > very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for sure! we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster. > We seem to be doing quite fine without moderation so far. > that's pretty cool and certainly says something about the quality of people on this list. the abrasive stuff is minimal as compared to other lists i've been on too. thanks for the info. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 23:05:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEB7106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:05:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A5F8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:05:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDN5XDK045013; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:05:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDN5U6w045010; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:05:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:05:30 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <49443793.9030404@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081214000350.F44977@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <49422A05.6050907@gmail.com> <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> <64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com> <49442D1B.4000608@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081213225041.P44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49443793.9030404@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Nguyen Tam Chinh , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:05:44 -0000 > Funnily enough, I am actually in complete agreement with you. When I > said "The Way of the Future" -- that should be read with a certain degree > of irony. No one is going to remove the simpler ways of doing this stuff > any time soon, because the simple way is the right way for the vast majority well i told this because removing simple tools was quite common in many systems "just because". Good example is removing rsh/rshd/telnet/telnetd from most linux distros because "they are insecure. period." :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 23:07:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6421065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:07:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066DB8FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDN7nZI045027; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:07:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBDN7njw045024; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:07:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:07:49 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20081213150320.54cbf380@gom.home> Message-ID: <20081214000555.H44977@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <87ej0bkcr8.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213150320.54cbf380@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:07:54 -0000 >> spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so >> transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless >> it is. >> > very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for sure! > we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster. every time i get worried seeing a spam on FreeBSD mailing list, i quickly think about how many spams DOES NOT get here :) > >> We seem to be doing quite fine without moderation so far. >> > that's pretty cool and certainly says something about the quality of > people on this list. the abrasive stuff is minimal as compared to other > lists i've been on too. the truth that other lists (like other unices, linux) are worse (yes, they are) doesn't mean that this list can't be improved. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 23:10:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9781065675 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97DE8FC1B for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 18:10:57 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PHX82786; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 18:10:57 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18756.16640.388575.588297@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:10:56 -0500 To: prad In-Reply-To: <20081213150320.54cbf380@gom.home> References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <87ej0bkcr8.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213150320.54cbf380@gom.home> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:10:58 -0000 prad writes: > > We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens > > of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the > > entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little > > spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so > > transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless > > it is. > > very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for > sure! we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster. Well, yes. On the other hand, spamming a mailing list full of computer geeks - crochety and otherwise - is about as productive as trying to rob a bar full of police. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 23:29:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0EB106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:29:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7508FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:29:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so4783992bwz.19 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:29:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WvP71tvfpqrfZYsuU+zQQawzQMmcQF8TuUNWzo5Cy4Q=; b=HNeskoJbMcHZN/VaOK2D22qMm03xCQDdJbE4mfWY6Sl0eGqvkljtG1Njwktgp96f7k wdrjwil0r0Kdn/WKiPHOZjhe6bYR5hLY26M1lmKvZrIHF5OzZGUqcWDuK3P+DTHBzm1z nxQfkW97AddV9Uf61Bh5vNbbjxoDaOCrTPBBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=TZ94a1z8irnsKr29mOuU8A4VOmY/E8wpUy/t4HRnsWHMmWq++QCcbhutI9LurfHcs5 PPPFAZ2zTDyYkExQLRTuX9BP9z3phE4vqKvmM0L7P2JKLB7qknR2f+yEvSJ6vDz8oug/ y1hFGD9YC4PBRaYBGbZthv6E/M5xvHpSMj3eI= Received: by 10.181.56.1 with SMTP id i1mr1886477bkk.45.1229210965641; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.209.3 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:29:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910812131529u47b2fa30k61c9c6730daa0afc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:29:25 -0500 From: "matt donovan" To: "Robert Huff" In-Reply-To: <18756.16640.388575.588297@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <87ej0bkcr8.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213150320.54cbf380@gom.home> <18756.16640.388575.588297@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, prad Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:29:27 -0000 A lot of times I report spam anymore and usually the domain gets kicked off or I help a company with some information in their investigation usually. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 23:32:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5161065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:32:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from smtp1.brturbo.com.br (smtp1.brte.com.br [200.199.201.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DAE8FC1E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:32:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from lobo (unknown [189.70.124.146]) by smtp1.brturbo.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D113403 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:27:36 -0200 (BRST) From: Mario Lobo Organization: DigiArt Systems To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:32:07 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081213150320.54cbf380@gom.home> <18756.16640.388575.588297@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <18756.16640.388575.588297@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812132032.07268.mlobo@digiart.art.br> Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:32:09 -0000 On Saturday 13 December 2008 20:10:56 Robert Huff wrote: > prad writes: > > > We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens > > > of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the > > > entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little > > > spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so > > > transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless > > > it is. > > > > very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for > > sure! we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster. > > Well, yes. On the other hand, spamming a mailing list full of > computer geeks - crochety and otherwise - is about as productive as > trying to rob a bar full of police. > > > Robert Huff > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Will this thread possibly stop before new years eve perhaps? It is already gearing to another issue!. I didn't count but I believe it has reached over 30 and I can't stand deleting it anymore. pleeease stop ! Thanks -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 23:42:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9DE106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE998FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3636A3CDE4; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:42:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBDNfvfB001615; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:41:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:41:57 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20081214004157.435fb5e5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> References: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:42:15 -0000 I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but the only kind of receive confirmation you get from your FreeBSD system itself is the success entry in /var/log/maillog which will inform you that either the POP/SMTP server facility where the recipient has his mail account successfully received the message or the information that the "SmartHost" mail relay has accepted the message for relaying (in case your sendmail subsystem just hands mail over to a relay). Any kind of confirmation that the recipient has read the message is up to his mail client application. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 23:43:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB861065670 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED9D8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:43:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBDNhikr064139; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:43:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:43:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:43:07 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081213234306.GA53237@thought.org> References: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> <20081213225621.D44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213225621.D44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:43:15 -0000 On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:58:44PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > guys, > > > > i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a "your mail was > > opened > > on user@foo.com". i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not > > see how to > > get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a > > sendmail.[cf|mc] > > If i understood you correctly, you mean confirmation of mail being read. > It is not mail server job, it's purely mail client functionality. > I'm not even sure if it was ever standarized. not read, merely opened, touched--obviously... > > but for sure sendmail.mc/cf is not the right place to search only your > mail program configs/docs. i was hoping sendmail, being the transfer agent was NOT the place. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 23:45:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50E6106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:45:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23138FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:45:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBDNkH6x064190; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:46:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:45:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:45:40 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Glen Barber Message-ID: <20081213234539.GB53237@thought.org> References: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> <4ad871310812131402o6674fa64wd104268eafafec0f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812131402o6674fa64wd104268eafafec0f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:45:45 -0000 On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 05:02:48PM -0500, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > guys, > > > > i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a "your mail was opened > > on user@foo.com". i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to > > get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] > > way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? [2 da ago i send > > cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my paragraph. i'd like > > to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully was glanced at!] > > > > I believe you're looking for a receipt confirmation tool, but I don't > believe mutt has that capability, as its job is to write mail, and > direct it to the MTA. > > Either way, receipt confirmations are not always accurate, as I never > send confirmations that I have received mail -- then I'd *need* to > reply. > :-) i just want to know that the OP opened/saw/skimmed thru. yes, i guess "no reply" means something... . > > -- > Glen Barber > > > "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to > show you how it's done." > --Scott Adams -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 23:52:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E5B1065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989908FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D477F3CC09; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:52:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBDNqfmt001652; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:52:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:52:41 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Message-Id: <20081214005241.2d7f0cb5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20081205164750.20fce934.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: DVD cloning tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:52:49 -0000 Hi and thanks for your reply. On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:18:23 -0800, "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > Your not going to find a tool like this under FreeBSD or any > freeOS that I know of. So I may conclude: There is no tool x for the following equation: cdrdao read-cd / write x ---------------------- = --- CD DVD > More and more commercial DVD's are coming these days with copy > protection on them. When the video DVD is read as an ISO, the > reader gets to a certain block in the DVD then commences to > return errors. Yes, they're called "Un-DVDs" (alike "Un-CDs") here in Germany, they're considered intentionally defective or damaged media. > I am not sure how the video playing software gets around it > but I suspect it sends a command to the reader. There are, at least in regards of SCSI (/dev/cd*) certain settings that the driver can be set to, how long to wait if errors occur, or what to do if errors occur (try again, search next). > The only program I know of that reads these is a Windows > program called DVD Fab. It's trialware, you can download > it and run it for a month. It also gets around the known > copy protection schemes used in BlueRay which are considerably > more sophisticated. There are handy tools that you can use on FreeBSD if, for example, you're trying to read data from a defective hard disk, such as dd_rescue. It has certain levels of how to deal with problems. Something similar is the "paranoia" setting of cdda2wav in regards of CDs. > If you can make an ISO of a video DVD with this program but > it fails using dd, then your dealing with copy protection. No, with defectively distributed media. :-) > For example rental DVD's of Pirates of the Carribean 3 and > Clone Wars both have this. I don't know if the versions you > buy have this as well, I suspect they don't since my guess is > someone is getting royalties on this scheme somewhere. Well, I'm not interested in copying bought DVDs primarily, simply because they're bigger than the available capacity of a DVD+/-R. My intention is to read in normal data DVDs (that, for example, someone else created) in one rush and then duplicate the content to another DVD. After having read the replies to my initial question, I think dd will do this job, so data DVDs and video DVDs (such that have been mastered in order to be playable in a standalone DVD player device) should be able to read. For copying DVDs, there's at least vobcopy. > I would love to see someone write some code to get around > this for use with dd program. Why not try dd_rescue (or was it ddrescue, they both exist)? > Of course, I know your NOT trying to illegally copy commercial > DVDs so it's not necessary for you to reply with protests. Heh. I'm a good guy, I love movie industry, hehe. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...