From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 00:03:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A980106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:03:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A299B8FC1C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:03:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBE04KE9064345; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:04:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:03:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:03:43 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20081214000342.GC53237@thought.org> References: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> <87fxkrn2us.fsf@kobe.laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87fxkrn2us.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:03:51 -0000 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:10:19AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:50:53 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > guys, > > > > i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a "your mail was > > opened on user@foo.com". i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do > > not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps > > a sendmail.[cf|mc] way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? > > [2 da ago i send cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my > > paragraph. i'd like to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully > > was glanced at!] > > I don't think there's a way to *force* the recipients of your messages > to reply whenever they read a post. Your MUA can "ask" for this sort of > 'email receipt', but the recipient can always ignore it. certainly. > > My mailers always ignore this sort of mis-feature, for instance, because > I consider it a violation of my privacy. Whenever I get one of these > ``call home'' emails, I can't help but think: > > ``Why would you want to know that I woke up in the middle of the night, > fired up Emacs, read a few qmail messages, but then thought it best to > keep sleeping rather than reply to your message?'' > > Having said that, you can configure _your_ mutt instance to send DSN > replies. Look for the dsn_notify and dsn_return options in the manual > of Mutt. > AH, alright; i shall look, thanx. and i promise never to expect *anyone* to 1) respond instantaneously, or 2) to even respond. nonetheless, it'd be nice to know that "professor life-or-death" GOT my message. or maybe it was a cat-on-keyboard..... ok. it's set up. now at least i know if the mail got to the other end. no delay,failure. thank you, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 00:10:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389661065677 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161748FC18 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F545084B for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kHJrNl23xWNn for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5DD08508C3; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20081214001002.5DD08508C3@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2008-11-23 - 2008-12-13 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:10:08 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 2-Dec : Obscuring smtp auth headers If you consider your smtp-auth location to be private, this is what you want. http://freebsddiary.org/smtp-headers-rewrite-auth.php?2 29-Nov : OpenVPN - creating a routed VPN If you have multiple VPN clients, this is a practical solution. http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-routed.php?2 27-Nov : OpenVPN - getting it running Using OpenVPN to create a secure pathway between home and office http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn.php?2 27-Nov : Creating your own Certificate Authority How to create a CA and generate your own SSL certificates http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-easy-rsa.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 00:27:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEED1065673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B29A8FC0C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBE0RQJt064488; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:27:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:26:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:26:49 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20081214002648.GD53237@thought.org> References: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> <20081214004157.435fb5e5.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081214004157.435fb5e5.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:27:12 -0000 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:41:57AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but the only > kind of receive confirmation you get from your FreeBSD system > itself is the success entry in /var/log/maillog which will > inform you that either the POP/SMTP server facility where > the recipient has his mail account successfully received > the message or the information that the "SmartHost" mail > relay has accepted the message for relaying (in case your > sendmail subsystem just hands mail over to a relay). > > Any kind of confirmation that the recipient has read the > message is up to his mail client application. > eeep! maillog is usually my Last Resort. thanks for the reminder. according to sendmail, the log prints if the message was delivered. never know how much is in the recipient's queue, of course... . > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 01:31:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9B0106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:31:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixvn@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111FE8FC1E for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:31:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixvn@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2128456rvf.43 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:31:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fz/GcTKqjspH0D+mr8QTFQObnQXAThPho0ogLZzRBm8=; b=EJ/O0LVVgd/l8PHUsbECrj+f4ogbAScVlK20vmP1bIdpBW+4h7HAnkto+tjAhNEaLq 6BxSHGNrSlvjTxGHzggA1f/SvSbEc+sSwJEM1sT1vgjwwv0cb1ZgtJVTOr4+pfS6xuKE ZOwc0qBfYRcNqo1XJwGpiaaoeLBhoFcojoRho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=tgaAMO/wC25z8vz8ikQ9XvyYrLZ38k9Rqj1MNpO6br1JpH4ERnkONeJphKuVFro20N 7H5tJ3D40d6Cci4Cq0NXGD+5PCcpcLeQUhO+cYPeVDt+zh/Piv4ad/zrD8+t9u/qQuxG YcDMydu1DECoq/F2Itxy7vtbKS6Z/TI3TrfkY= Received: by 10.141.5.17 with SMTP id h17mr2815076rvi.165.1229218276352; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:31:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.193.12 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:31:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <64b284310812131731j149eedf1o91e0edf94b5fc1fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:31:16 +0800 From: "Nguyen Tam Chinh" To: "munkhbayar batkhuu" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:31:17 -0000 On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:26 PM, munkhbayar batkhuu wrote: > Dear all FreeBSD list members. > > One of my old FreeBSD-5.4 server is installed with Mambo (4.6.2 Bug > Stomp Pre-Release 2, not installed from ports) and I'm going to > upgrade this Content Management System (CMS) to FreeBSD-7 and tried to > install Mambo via ports. > New portaudit installed system says Mambo have security issue and > can't be installed. And I'm not going to use Mambo. (I know Mambo have > long standing history of security issues). > It seems that Joomla will be installed fine (,however). > > My question is, "Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, > which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?". > How about WordPress? Its code is very nice :) -- With best regards, Chinh Nguyen *********************************** FreeBSD - The Power to Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 01:40:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F871065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:40:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895738FC16 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:40:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBE1eaLq064900 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:40:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:39:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:39:58 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20081214013954.GA56757@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: anybody know where "words.db" is? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:40:08 -0000 I'm trying to build a rhyming diction on FBSD. am missing something i thought we had. my linux download is mizzing it. i also checked on my ubuntu computer. locate can't find "words.db" either. any ideas? still checking for this via google. thus far, nada. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 01:45:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0B31065677 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:45:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFAED8FC19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so2795898ewy.19 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:45:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-operating-system; bh=1+jUOpZI9itI/TIKWd3PQutQy1i9v7w+vnifS10mh90=; b=D7L5fC+RKGBsT/NyQvoxV48y3pENqqs5dcfpSmX9ChhYva53N92CwkXot9rg+u+5ke +twGEyGUTVO5vkMVonsVv1yLVviS2uMAzhtXKQro6Yx+KnyhqZgpKqLYhY9Mxc2ECVBN WOEmwTxojr9Mqy3h3YqeSZ0f8qr+Uu5bFkFGE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=TtL31YkiYtXaBxYwBwM1TUe0oDcaEYmHXEaA54G+EMpOyNBl4ztuFRP/MZlUvdkfXM 2CvQ62yqKFiFyFh+2QyfB+QF001j3q5HoqSfDrKaOs1ueVRxUoxbZ6eZ3zIqU9TUeEKG S+7FF8ISLzYLTNns0L0SVztDWFjjZfEN4xFoQ= Received: by 10.210.52.15 with SMTP id z15mr2823724ebz.28.1229219135537; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.225.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm12295892ewy.94.2008.12.13.17.45.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:45:31 +0300 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:45:31 +0300 From: Jeff Laine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081214014531.GA7519@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> <447i64bxxl.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <447i64bxxl.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 i386 Subject: Re: USB Flash Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:45:37 -0000 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 09:39:50PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > fixer writes: > > > FreeBSD localhost 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 > > 11:05:30 UTC 2007 > > root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 > > localhost# > > > > > > I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. > > I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD does, > > I need instructions on "how-to-use". Thanks in advance for anyone who > > can help. > > Rather than mounting the disks, I find it easier to use the "mtools" > port (emulators/mtools). The commands look like the old ms-dos > commands, and include a copy command. > Sorry if unrelated, but is there any way to avoid system crash after ejection of unmounted USB-storage device? I had a plenty of painful crashes today after several power losses on my external usb-hdd (ntfs slice mounted, FreeBSD 7.1-RC1). It would be nice to have a "safety-net" here, considering these devices are so easilly deatachable by cats and ppl lurking around :) Any advices? -- Best regards, Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 02:39:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7613B106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:39:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from netuno.levier.com.br (netuno.levier.com.br [201.47.3.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBEA8FC16 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from levier.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netuno.levier.com.br (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBE1EaMr083825; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:17:10 -0200 (BRST) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (levier.com.br) Received: from [200.146.21.61] (authenticated as k1) by levier.com.br (MessageWall 1.0.8) with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 02:17:09 -0000 From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Polytropon , freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <20081214005241.2d7f0cb5.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20081205164750.20fce934.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081214005241.2d7f0cb5.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:16:28 -0200 Message-Id: <1229220988.7133.2.camel@lenzix.cwb.casa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: DVD cloning tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:39:25 -0000 Well.... Here I use K9copy... it copies a 7.6Gb dvd into a 4.2Gb dvd+r and works like a charm.... very cool.... for example I have all the Corrs dvds (I bought the 5 ones...) but I use the copies to play... Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 03:12:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC26106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBF88FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan-a.emsphone.com [199.67.51.107]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBE3ClSA007952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:12:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBE3Cl3D003430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:12:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBE3ClIw003419; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:12:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:12:47 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20081214031247.GA90803@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20081214013954.GA56757@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081214013954.GA56757@thought.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.1, clamav-milter version 0.94.1 on email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:12:48 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: anybody know where "words.db" is? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:12:50 -0000 In the last episode (Dec 13), Gary Kline said: > I'm trying to build a rhyming diction on FBSD. am missing something > i thought we had. my linux download is mizzing it. i also checked > on my ubuntu computer. locate can't find "words.db" either. any > ideas? Are you maybe looking for /usr/share/dict/words ? If not, you'll have to tell us what you expect words.db to contain. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 04:20:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5731065673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:20:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F271C8FC17 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:20:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LBiSt-0001B6-4q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:20:23 -0800 Message-ID: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:20:23 -0800 (PST) From: cuongvt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Nabble-From: freebsd@vuhanhnhu.com Subject: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:20:24 -0000 Hi, I know that IM support japanese text. On Freebsd 7.0 with latest imagemagick built from port (6.4.7) and msgothic.ttc copied from windows partition, imagick extension of PHP installed by pecl. in terminal (zsh) I type: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D convert origin.jpg -fill white -font /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/msgothic.ttc -pointsize 125 -stroke blue -strokewidth 1 -draw "text 20,130 '=E3=81=8C=E3=81=8F=E3=81=9B=E3=81=84'" s= traight.jpg =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D IM did not informed any error, but the result is japanese text broken (question marks). However, if I ran PHp script (see below), japanese displayed in image fine. What is the reason and how can I solve that? thansk and regards, Below is PHP script: sample373 setFont("/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/msgothic.ttc"); /* =E3=83=95=E3=82=A9=E3=83=B3=E3=83=88=E3=82=B5=E3=82=A4=E3=82=BA=E8=A8=AD= =E5=AE=9A */ $idraw->setFontSize(32); /* gravity=E8=A8=AD=E5=AE=9A */ $idraw->setGravity(Imagick::GRAVITY_CENTER); $im->annotateImage($idraw, 0, 0, 0, "=E6=97=A5=E6=9C=AC=E8=AA=9E"); $im->writeImage('sample373a.jpg'); /* $idraw->clear(); 2008/09/30=E8=BF=BD=E8=A8=98=EF=BC=9Adestroy=E3=81=A8= =E5=90=8C=E6=A7=98=E3=81=ABClearDrawingWand=E3=82=92=E5=91=BC=E3=81=B6=E3= =81=AE=E3=81=A7=E5=BF=85=E8=A6=81=E3=81=AA=E3=81=97 */ $idraw->destroy(); /* $im->clear(); 2008/09/30=E8=BF=BD=E8=A8=98=EF=BC=9Adestroy=E3=81=A8=E5= =90=8C=E6=A7=98=E3=81=ABClearMagicWand=E3=82=92=E5=91=BC=E3=81=B6=E3=81=AE= =E3=81=A7=E5=BF=85=E8=A6=81=E3=81=AA=E3=81=97 */ $im->destroy(); ?> --=20 View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/imagemagick-convert%3A-= japanese-text-broken-in-freebsd-tp20997257p20997257.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 05:42:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E371065676 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275C28FC1D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBE5gRiW066435; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:42:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:41:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:41:50 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20081214054150.GA76397@thought.org> References: <20081214013954.GA56757@thought.org> <20081214031247.GA90803@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081214031247.GA90803@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: anybody know where "words.db" is? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:42:05 -0000 On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:12:47PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Dec 13), Gary Kline said: > > I'm trying to build a rhyming diction on FBSD. am missing something > > i thought we had. my linux download is mizzing it. i also checked > > on my ubuntu computer. locate can't find "words.db" either. any > > ideas? > > Are you maybe looking for /usr/share/dict/words ? If not, you'll have > to tell us what you expect words.db to contain. > well, apologies to anybody who puzzled at my post. i finally looked at the makefile. it uses the gnu "gdbm" and the textfiles, words.txt, rhymes.txt, and multiple.txt to create the database files. and thus build the rhyme dictionary. okay, after an hour++ i finally located the *.txt files. i have them in the directory with the rest of the stuff. it is largely from cmu. from public domain and with soe lexigraphical work. the gotcha is that the TEXTFILE line in the makefile doesn't do anything. it just lists the three txt files. it is nowhere further references. my question is pretty simple: given the words.txt, how do i create words.db? same with the rest of it.... it's great that somebody from cmu, or wherever, grabbed this stuff, but the makefile is incomplete. gary ps: sorry, this is purely a cmdline tool!! > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 09:00:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558EB1065673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:00:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC1C8FC19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:00:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBE90Nsu048411; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:00:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBE90Lee048408; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:00:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:00:20 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jeff Laine In-Reply-To: <20081214014531.GA7519@free.bsd.loc> Message-ID: <20081214095949.L48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> <447i64bxxl.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20081214014531.GA7519@free.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB Flash Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:00:35 -0000 >> Rather than mounting the disks, I find it easier to use the "mtools" >> port (emulators/mtools). The commands look like the old ms-dos >> commands, and include a copy command. >> > > Sorry if unrelated, but is there any way to avoid system crash after ejection of just like he said - use mtools for DOS-format flashdrives :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 09:03:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BB11065673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from nagual.nl (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [82.74.10.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4548FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from westmark (westmark.nagual.nl [192.168.11.22]) by nagual.nl (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/yanta) with SMTP id mBE93XsD014215 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:11 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20081214100311.ccf382b0.dick@nagual.nl> In-Reply-To: <64b284310812131731j149eedf1o91e0edf94b5fc1fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b284310812131731j149eedf1o91e0edf94b5fc1fd@mail.gmail.com> Organization: de nagual X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.14.3; i386-pc-solaris2.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 192.168.11.35 Subject: Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:03:18 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:31:16 +0800 "Nguyen Tam Chinh" wrote: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:26 PM, munkhbayar batkhuu > wrote: > > My question is, "Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, > > which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?". > > How about WordPress? Its code is very nice :) A simple but fast CMS is Textpattern. For heavy duty (and a somewhat steep learning curve) TYPO3 (4.2.3) is very good. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv103 ++ + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 09:03:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD304106567B for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175458FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBE93KGb048436; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBE93Ixq048433; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cuongvt In-Reply-To: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1626729238-1480917943-1229245398=:48394" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:03:27 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1626729238-1480917943-1229245398=:48394 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > Hi, > I know that IM support japanese text. > On Freebsd 7.0 with latest imagemagick built from port (6.4.7) and > msgothic.ttc copied from windows partition, > imagick extension of PHP installed by pecl. > in terminal (zsh) I type: > ================ > convert origin.jpg -fill white -font > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/msgothic.ttc -pointsize 125 -stroke blue > -strokewidth 1 -draw "text 20,130 ''" straight.jpg > ======== > IM did not informed any error, but the result is japanese text broken > (question marks). > However, if I ran PHp script (see below), japanese displayed in image fine. > What is the reason and how can I solve that? > thansk and regards, NTG please do ask on imagemagick support! it's not part of FreeBSD and this problem doesn't look like FreeBSD specific. If you find it FreeBSD port specific, ask at freebsd-ports --1626729238-1480917943-1229245398=:48394-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 09:36:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81401065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:36:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710838FC1F for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:36:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB21C49A3 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:57:47 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:57:05 +1000 Message-Id: <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:36:28 -0000 On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 20:04 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this > > i don't discourage beginners that want to learn. > > Most of them don't. You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers were stupid. Maybe they were... The boss sent him to customer relations training sessions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 09:36:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019C01065673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:36:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D63E8FC1E for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:36:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7FB4931 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:50:41 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:50:00 +1000 Message-Id: <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:36:29 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 03:02:28PM -0500, Jerry wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) > > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > >NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. > > >this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers > > >do make support for it. > > > > > >what is common today isn't normal. > > > > I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. > > I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable, > and to develop them we'd need the hardware specs so we'd have a target > toward which to develop drivers. Of course, "preferable" is my choice of > term -- he seems to be more of the opinion that anything that isn't > strictly open source should just be shunned, out of hand. While it would > be nice if that was a practical option, it isn't really, at this point. > Perhaps he'd be more at home in the Fedora community which are adamant about that too... :P > > > > > NVidia produces both the hardware and drivers for same. It requested > > additions/changes to the basic FBSD system to enable their product to be > > fully functional. Changes that it seems other manufacturers would also > > need. > > At least four things need to be clarified: > > 1. Would the requested changes have a negative effect on system design > in some way? > > 2. Would working on making those changes divert important resources > from other, perhaps more important, projects? > > 3. Are the changes the same as what other hardware vendors would need > before they could fully support FreeBSD, or are they different -- > possibly even contradictory? If the latter, we need to consider > whether such contradictions can be worked around without degrading the > stability and performance characteristics of the system, and see what > impact such work-arounds would have on the answer to question 2. > > 4. Is there any way we can talk them into helping us work on fully > functional open source drivers, as AMD (which bought ATI) has promised > to do for the Linux community? > > I don't know the answers to any of those four questions -- in part > because discussion never gets past the "No! You'll destroy FreeBSD if > you try to support that hardware!" stage of discussion. > > > > > > Now, if FBSD has no intention of working with other hardware and/or > > software manufacturers/authors, maybe it should just post a big "KEEP > > OUT" sign on its web page. > > > > I seriously doubt that NVidia, or any other manufacturer is about to > > divulge trade secrets or patented information. What point would there > > be in that anyway? It is certainly not necessary. What developer in > > his/her right mind would be interested in making their product usable > > on a FBSD system if they knew that they would have to divulge all of > > their trade secrets, etc. > > Actually, patents are publicly documented by definition -- we're just not > *allowed* to use it, once it has been patented, without permission. The > sort of thing they don't want to divulge is trade secrets, which you > meantioned -- not patents, which you also mentioned. For some reason, > though, some hardware vendors seem inclined to use patents as an excuse > for keeping secrets, which never made much sense to me. > > IANAL, though I read about the law from time to time. Ok, so moving forward on this point: How exactly does this help in developing drivers for FreeBSD? Patents are ideas- right? So wouldn't this mean that it would still require "guessing" and estimation of what should happen and how to do it? You also mention that they're publicly accessible- how? Whats the portal and how would you search for required device? I ask this not just in reference to NVidia (which has dominated the discussion) but to other devices as well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 09:41:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187FA106567F for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5318FC0C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE034A2F for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:06:08 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081213200543.GC51063@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213104642.M8959@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213200543.GC51063@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:05:26 +1000 Message-Id: <1229234726.18610.112.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:41:27 -0000 On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 13:05 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >>>I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. > > >> > > >>exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions > > >>others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. > > > > > >You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to > > >make purchases of "total package" products rather than building something > > > > there are products for them. > > In other words, your answer seems to be: > > "We don't want users who like FreeBSD, but want to use it on a laptop. > FreeBSD should never be used on a laptop." > > I'd say I can safely ignore you, knowing that's your attitude, if it > weren't for the fact that a lot of other people won't know that down the > line, and you may permanently damage the FreeBSD project by chasing off > potential contributors. > > Is there any way I can get you to stop being such a contentious trojan > horse of an enemy to the FreeBSD project? > If one were spiritually minded one might see another reason behind this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 09:41:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A361065688 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0C28FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB29D48C6 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:36:40 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> References: <494227E1.6000406@fixer.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:35:58 +1000 Message-Id: <1229222159.18610.51.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: USB Flash Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:41:27 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 01:59 -0700, fixer wrote: > FreeBSD localhost 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 > 11:05:30 UTC 2007 > root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 > localhost# > > > I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. > I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD does, > I need instructions on "how-to-use". Thanks in advance for anyone who > can help. Check removable disks in the handbook. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 09:41:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257F11065689 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A5F8FC21 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0BE48BE for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:34:30 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:33:48 +1000 Message-Id: <1229222028.18610.49.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:41:27 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 09:48 +0200, Valentin Bud wrote: > Hello list, > > I don't know if the Subject says what i really want to achieve but i do > hope that i will make myself understood. > > I work for a school and i want to install in 2 labs on very low performance > computers (1 Ghz CPU, 126 Mb RAM) some linux distro (zen walk). I *need* > to install linux because there are some programs that need to run on those > stations and guess what, they only work on linux. > > There are different students that use those computers and they change > frequently. So i thought > to make a server, using FreeBSD (of course), that has a database of users so > the linux machines > don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and > such. I don't > really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i > achieve this > are welcomed. Perhaps what you are looking for is NIS, or better still LDAP? For greater security try kerberos. NIS should be documented in the handbook, lookup OpenLDAP in ports and follow the links or google.... Good luck! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 09:56:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0071065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:56:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229178FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:56:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E3F49B7 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:07:56 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:07:15 +1000 Message-Id: <1229231235.18610.100.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:56:27 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 22:46 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? > > no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about: > > - KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody) > > BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this, except > KDE/Gnome/whatever can be run on it > > - support of flash in Opera/Firefox/Whatever > > again BECAUSE WWW BROWSER ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD. > > - support of new/hot (literally)/super/extra graphics cards from NVidia. > > BECAUSE Xorg IS NOT PART OF FREEBSD. > > While IMHO full graphics support (graphics support, not GUI) should be > part of kernel as driver, it isn't. > > As NVidia card Xorg module does need some kernel wrapper (no idea why) - > then there is nothing wrong for interested people to write it as ADD > ON/PORT. > > - asking about bloat level, visual apperance comparision etc. between > FreeBSD with KDE and Windoze. > > because KDE ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD, and FreeBSD on it's own doesn't have > (fortunately) any "desktop environment" so it can't be compared. > > if someone like to compare KDE with windoze - OK but NOT THIS GROUP! > > > > SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks > moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers "lame" but all > that is off topic. > > Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. Things not run on FreeBSD could (and should) be considered off topic, but if the software is run on FreeBSD (which is an OS, might I remind, not an app) then it does concern FreeBSD- especially if it works elsewhere (in the exact same method- ie kde on linux and freebsd, not necessarily flash). LDAP and NSS is not actually a part of FreeBSD too, neither is postfix, apache, xfce, etc. And yet you have nothing against those. Beware what you advocate... If you take this stance on THIS LIST then you will scare future community members away, and this list will have nothing to talk about (says something about how good FreeBSD itself is). If someone takes a step and asks about FreeBSD from a window$ perspective, M$ is NOT an alternative- obviously they've woken out their dream state to find a nightmare, let them sharpen their claws in linux ok? Then they can come better equiped and have a better understanding of how *nix works- don't shooo them back to the nightmare world of Gates. Commend users for stepping out of a hand fed state- don't snarl at them and tell them they're too stupid. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 09:56:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BB71065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:56:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228808FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:56:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E00E485C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:40:09 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:39:26 +1000 Message-Id: <1229218767.18610.39.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:56:27 -0000 > If we want FreeBSD to grow to where vendors pick up obscure and not-so-obscure > devices and support it more than it is now, we need publicity. If we need > publicity, we need marketing types. If we need marketing types, we need to > pay them, and we need to put up with them, and even be nice to them. I'm not > so sure I want to pay that price. > I don't know that it would NEED marketers, but even so that would be making a deal with the devil- so I agree entirely with that point. However, I do think the problem could be better faced technically than from a business standpoint anyway- style would be a major point here. > As it stands right now, it's a meritocracy -- those with the skills share > their work with others with the skills. It is bound together by the respect > we have for each other, and there's not much name-calling going on. The > product is technically sound, has better hardware support than other *ixes (I > run OpenBSD on servers -- but not on the laptop beause of the lack of laptop > support), and gets the job done well. The documentation is simply phenomenal. > I'm good with that. I'm also more than pleased that there are barriers to > entry based upon a basic unix knowledge level -- I've had one too many > encounters with the unwashed to want to go that direction. Linux developers > spend more time catering to that crowd, and IMO, it suffers for it as much as > it benefits from it. Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and experience in how *nix in general works on something a little easier (for MIB lovers: noisy cricket), then move up to the big guns. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:01:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9591065677 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7AE8FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B66947ED for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:33:16 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081211143249.GC40295@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <1228733209.4495.12.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211143249.GC40295@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:32:31 +1000 Message-Id: <1229214752.18610.11.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:01:31 -0000 On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 09:32 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:46:49PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: > > > > > > > IMHO, before FreeBSD can make a significant market share improvement, > > > it has to improve its hardware support. NVidia, for one, has expressed > > > a desire to support FreeBSD; however, it needs the FreeBSD organization > > > to improve its basic product, especially in the 64-bit systems, which > > > are the future of computing. > > > > Ok. So what needs improvement and where to start? Not being critical, > > I'm interested in this. > > > > Personally though, I think the business model here is a failure and > > seriously flawed. And yes, I did study business at Monash (and butted > > heads constantly; IF you don't look out for the health and well being of > > a community, environment, employees, whatever- the extreme social > > responsibility- then the clients and potential clients die, ergo no > > customers therefore no money to be made. Thats looking after your > > bottomline: Duh!) and saw this continually. Marketing the same; > > The thing people seem to forget is that FreeBSD doesn't have a > business model - or that is its business model. It is simply > sharing technology without much concern about propagation or return. > It accepts contributions of various kinds, mostly in kind. > > ////jerry And that is what makes it so good- because of this business model (or lack thereof) the people involved are doing what they love (at least I would hope so), so like with cooking the secret ingredient to a good product is always love (I hope this doesn't sound too sappy! But it is true, more care is always taken when people actually care about what they do). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:01:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9104106567D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6618FC43 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE3149DB for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:16:36 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081213090822.GA97581@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <20081213090822.GA97581@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:15:54 +1000 Message-Id: <1229231755.18610.102.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:01:31 -0000 On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 10:08 +0100, Michel Talon wrote: > Lowell Gilbert wrote: > NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed > by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX > (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an > industry standard; all major UNIX like systems (Solaris, HP-UX, > AIX(R), Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc) support NIS. > > > I work i am in a mostly Linux shop managed by NIS. However my machines > are under FreeBSD and i have no problem getting the NIS info. The only > gotcha is that, under Linux you have 2 files for passwds /etc/passwd > and /etc/shadow, while under FreeBSD you have just one > /etc/master.passwd. So you need to run NIS in compatibility mode on the > Linux server, so that passwd and shadow are "concatenated". Securitywise > it is the same since in any case the shadow information flows on the > wire, ready to be captured by a scannner. > The main problem with NIS, in my opinion, is that, when the NIS > server(s) are down (it always occur once or twice a year here), all the > clients are completely frozen immediately, so if you want high > availability, better copy the passwd files on each client directly and > not use a network server like that. Our previous sysadm had written a > couple of replication scripts which worked very well this way. The > present one reverted to NIS with this small inconvenient. > Replication requires that you only modify passwd files on the server, > like with NIS, and then, as soon as a modification is detected, files > are propagated on all clients. This is extremely easy to achieve, and > *much* more efficient, networkwise than using a thing like NIS or LDAP, > where each client is constantly polling the server to get information > about home directories, tilde expansions,etc. > Wouldn't kerberos be a better alternative? One server (maybe a replicated backup), and all services authenticate with that. Saves shadow on the wire... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:03:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90051065706 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1535B8FC1A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEA3U7O048614; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:03:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEA3Uqm048611; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:03:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:03:29 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:43 -0000 > > You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers > were stupid. Maybe they were... the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. or is not? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:06:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227A41065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83CF8FC17 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C7A48D6 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:07:37 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081212191512.G4492@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212191512.G4492@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:06:55 +1000 Message-Id: <1229227615.18610.70.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:06:27 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 19:15 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > cropping up and saying the equivalent of "If we work on that stuff, > > FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck." I disagree with > because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. Its better at providing window$ functionality than window$ is and is a lot more stable. If linux can do that, than imagine what well designed software on FreeBSD could do (is doing)? Linux may "suck" (I agree mostly with that sentiment), but it still is a good halfway house for "head stuck in the sand" M$ users looking for a better way of doing things. Then they can graduate to utopia... :) KDE4 at least works better and closer to how it should be on FreeBSD- even if it is "incomplete". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:07:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B9E1065679 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1968FC16 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so5086351bwz.19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:07:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=C4LlVFYA9wq1WOegSiEL7IgeZchBaoPndvclk6WzLM0=; b=NeBD05aYTifzgYfzvZ8/qwEPCZlhXAr4lbUnRzobJx9sNkUzIr3WRdE6kzHwyf/BzQ 71Ho17Ckc+T2w4LOeSyk+gYqrLQvu63wfu+Bg/A2tgIEulJLwJCK4etHzZUCX0W9/9/1 dSgQtGViWYssguHj1cZGZr/CGKWBEaG1Um/NM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=vgdnfve8g5dj6Z7piPhBARyMloSJ14ZxW10X3s0YRiIPIOXbw6XzpofFvonTRQyEa7 ir1it4yJGyTEyrrfg3dNwbh2Ltxq0v9YdPBACte9f4ikW7LZrWu7fsfavow/Mick1BHw K+qsI7C1zM7pmx5x27v/Gr841seG3gNHLnNj0= Received: by 10.103.11.7 with SMTP id o7mr2527143mui.103.1229249228924; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:07:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:07:08 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:07:11 -0000 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers >> were stupid. Maybe they were... > > the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. > > or is not? How is that relevant? -- Glen Barber "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:11:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44421065677 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733608FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A04457B for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:12:37 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:11:55 +1000 Message-Id: <1229202715.18610.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Firebird client fails port install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:11:30 -0000 I'm trying to install php5-extensions (which includes firebird), but its failing with an error code 1 on firebird20-client. It does mention running make to build firebird, but not as root. So I've tried everything to get this to work: running make as my wheel group user, installing as a pkg instead. What could I be missing? (And before anybody asks: I ran portsnap fetch update twice yesterday - and I did run the update. I've learnt my lesson from last time...) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:16:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86121065673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF388FC17 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAAE48F1 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:08:08 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:07:25 +1000 Message-Id: <1229224046.18610.60.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: iwi config help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:16:27 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 11:29 +0000, AN wrote: > I'm trying to configure a wireless adapter on an IBM Thinkpad R51, and > need some help. I followed the iwi man page, but the card is not > recognized. I have the following in /boot/loader.conf: > cat /boot/loader.conf > > if_iwi_load="YES" > wlan_load="YES" > firmware_load="YES" > loader_logo=beastie > snd_ich_load="YES" > > kldstat shows: > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 18 0xc0400000 7c7990 kernel > 2 1 0xc0bc8000 e6e4 if_iwi.ko > 3 2 0xc0bd7000 2f9c firmware.ko > 4 1 0xc0bda000 6994 snd_ich.ko > 5 2 0xc0be1000 239e8 sound.ko > 6 1 0xc0c05000 5c838 acpi.ko > 7 1 0xc5547000 19000 linux.ko > 8 1 0xc5706000 1e000 radeon.ko > 9 1 0xc5724000 e000 drm.ko > > pkg_info | grep iwi > iwi-firmware-kmod-3.0_3 Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 Firmware Kernel Module > > dmesg |grep iwi > Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/if_iwi.ko" at 0xc0c63188. > > dmesg |grep firmware > Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/firmware.ko" at 0xc0c63234. > > pciconf -lv > agp0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x05291014 chip=0x33408086 rev=0x03 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82855PM Processor to I/O Controller' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > pcib1@pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x33418086 rev=0x03 > hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82855PM Processor to AGP Controller' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > uhci0@pci0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c28086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI > Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > uhci1@pci0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c48086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI > Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > uhci2@pci0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c78086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI > Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ehci0@pci0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x052e1014 chip=0x24cd8086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB 2.0 EHCI > Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > pcib2@pci0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x24488086 > rev=0x81 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801BAM/CAM/DBM (ICH2-M/3-M/4-M) Hub Interface to PCI > Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > isab0@pci0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x24cc8086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-ISA > atapci0@pci0:31:1: class=0x01018a card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24ca8086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DBM (ICH4-M) UltraATA/100 EIDE Controller' > class = mass storage > subclass = ATA > none0@pci0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x052d1014 chip=0x24c38086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = SMBus > pcm0@pci0:31:5: class=0x040100 card=0x05541014 chip=0x24c58086 rev=0x01 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio > Controller' > class = multimedia > subclass = audio > none1@pci0:31:6: class=0x070300 card=0x05591014 chip=0x24c68086 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem > Controller' > class = simple comms > subclass = generic modem > drm0@pci1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x05311014 chip=0x4c661002 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'ATI Technologies Inc' > device = 'ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 (Microsoft Corporation - Radeon > Mobility M9' > class = display > subclass = VGA > cbb0@pci2:0:0: class=0x060700 card=0x05521014 chip=0xac46104c rev=0x01 > hdr=0x02 > vendor = 'Texas Instruments (TI)' > device = 'PCI4520 PC Card CardBus Controller' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-CardBus > fwohci0@pci2:0:2: class=0x0c0010 card=0x05531014 chip=0x802a104c > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Texas Instruments (TI)' > class = serial bus > subclass = FireWire > em0@pci2:1:0: class=0x020000 card=0x05491014 chip=0x101e8086 rev=0x03 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile)' > class = network > subclass = ethernet > > > ifconfig does not show the interface > > Any help to get this configured would be appreciated. > > TIA You may have the kmod loaded, but what about the firmware? You need at least have legal.intel_iwi.licence_ack=1 in loader.conf and check again in dmesg. If you miss the initial message that pops up you won't see it again- running kldload if_iwi after initial installation of the port (on 6.x) tells you exactly what you need to do. firmware_load from my experience doesn't do anything, but that may have changed with 7.1 (it will depend on the version used). Once you know for certain that the firmware IS actually loaded, check ifconfig. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:16:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F02106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:16:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B2D8FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:16:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173F648FF for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:11:04 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <001501c95c53$933d0320$3a02325c@abedini> References: <001501c95c53$933d0320$3a02325c@abedini> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:10:22 +1000 Message-Id: <1229224222.18610.63.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:16:30 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 15:47 +0330, abedini wrote: > Hi all dear > > I have laptop acer 4220 and I need to install FreeBSD. > > This laptop have sata HDD how can install FreeBSD in this system. If you have the iso for freebsd on cd you can simply boot from the cd and follow the bouncing ball (similar to other systems except still in text mode). Other than that follow the handbook found under documentation on the freebsd site. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:21:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A112106567A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D141E8FC1D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:21:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7773F497B for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:33:32 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:32:48 +1000 Message-Id: <1229232769.18610.106.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:21:27 -0000 On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 02:44 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general > ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java > is the best programming language around because that's what "most" > programmers use and have some vague, unsupported (but stubborn) notion > that secrets are good for business. At least it *seems* they all think > so. > I'm sorry, but the only image I could conjure up for a pointy-haired boss was Bart Simpson in a suit (or Lisa as President) :D Do you have another image in mind? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:31:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AEA106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:31:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F138FC1D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:31:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6AF4940 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:31:59 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:31:17 +1000 Message-Id: <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:31:27 -0000 On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 21:35 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. > >> this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers > >> do make support for it. > >> > >> what is common today isn't normal. > > > > I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. > > exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions > others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. > > if you think they do this to hide their hardware secrets you are wrong. > See x86 instruction set - does it reveal how Intel or Amd made their > processor so fast? no! > > They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true > reason they do this. > > With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly there > are thousands of hardware bugs. > > with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of > their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going on. It explains why cpu usage can go up some times during use. What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the same... check if_iwi and its "firmware". No other wifi device (that I'm aware of- at least they'd be in the minority anyway) works this way. The excuse is fcc regs- I doubt that... And before anyone defends intel: I've spent a lot of time wasted on making their stupid nics to work in windows, I usually just flick em and put in a rl nic. The cpus are shit as well- I've had no end of trouble with them, plus too hot, power hungry etc. Alas, finding a decent notebook with an alternative has been to no avail... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:36:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16BD1065676 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:36:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4798FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:36:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20C14828 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:07:27 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> References: <4be2da2e0812062344y26eddcc9sf589531d10c71a1c@mail.gmail.com> <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207082932.04a7cf16@scorpio> <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:06:45 +1000 Message-Id: <1229216806.18610.32.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:36:27 -0000 On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 10:37 -0800, prad wrote: > On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:51:22 +1000 > Da Rock wrote: > > > The possibility here is the bells and whistles strangely enough DO > > work in tune and without sore lips... FreeBSD could be THAT good. > > > i'm not so sure that is really "THAT good". bells and whistles if not > carefully thought out and implemented can add to instability. possibly > more important, they can pervert the original good idea. > > i think the newer kde's is a case in point (from my personal > experience, albeit). version 3 was good (despite the occasional > crash). version 4 seemed to try to do all sorts of stuff and outdo > windoze at being windoze. i'm using dwm :D > > i think this issue was dealt with rather well in the openbsd faq: > ------------- > 1.10 - Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? > This question is often asked in exactly this manner -- with no > explanation of what the asker means by "desktop". The only person who > can answer that question is you, as it depends on what your needs and > expectations are. > > While OpenBSD has a great reputation as a "server" operating system, it > can be and is used on the desktop. Many "desktop" applications are > available through packages and ports. As with all operating system > decisions, the question is: can it do the job you desire in the way you > wish? You must answer this question for yourself. > http://openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#Desktop > ------------- > > while i agree with you as far as having suitable driver accessibility, i > don't see why one system needs to try to be all things to all people. > All this is a fair comment. In particular the reply to "bells and whistles". My main concern with KDE4 (now that I've seen it) is that while the bells and whistles are there, they don't seem "complete" there are still at least the little aesthetics to fix- not to mention the crashes, inoperability, etc. While it outdoes window$ on functional stability etc, I think they may have jumped the gun on this one. A more polished and "complete" product later would have far more success- take time for all the little things: if its there it SHOULD work properly. As for who and why should use it: thats for the intellects to argue. My only argument is if the jobs worth doing do it properly the first time. I think what many get up in arms about is what the system should be capable of doing. And yes there are many more comments on the multimedia list- which should be saying something to people: there is no other system out there that is sufficient for their needs, so they come to the only operating system that has the strength, speed, and stability to offer a possibility of what they want (I'm one of them). Linux isn't up to scratch although driver support is better, but it doesn't hold up under the kind of stresses being placed on it for this level of work. There are many uses that FreeBSD is up to the challenge with operationally but doesn't have the driver support. Even if a link is created between linux and BSD driver wise (temporarily until native support) the stability of FreeBSD can counter more of the inconsistencies in the driver software. On top of that, there are more hardware vendors making more new products FOR SERVERS that there is no driver support for. Gone are the days when one vendor sells the chipset to many different hardware implementations; now there are many chipsets for the same hardware types, so more drivers need to be written for the new hardware coming out on a continual basis. Plus what is considered to be a server has changed over the years compared to what some on this list may be used to. Consider video streaming (where does the stream originate from?), sound streaming, 3D rendering, physics computation, X services; in this climate of cloud computing there is going to be a lot more coming. Food for thought anyway. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:36:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032661065677 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:36:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238348FC1C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:36:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0474448A3 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:20:58 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081212014654.GA32982@kokopelli.hydra> References: <11167f520812070853i3b6fa6dei6e5c71669416470@mail.gmail.com> <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211191219.GB4970@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211132419.761ce14e@gom.home> <20081212001125.GC32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211164723.460f909a@gom.home> <20081212014654.GA32982@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:20:17 +1000 Message-Id: <1229221217.18610.46.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:36:28 -0000 On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 18:46 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:47:23PM -0800, prad wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:25 -0700 > > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > His manner of expressing his feelings seems to be to try to crush > > > others' beneath his heel. Try examining the definition of the word > > > "fair" before you use it in the future. > > > > > ok, chad, here's what you find on dictionary.com that are relevant: > > 1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair > > judge. > > 2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper > > under the rules: a fair fight. > > My point exactly -- you rush to his defense, making statements that seem > intended to skewer me for things he has done. I don't consider that the > epitome of fairness. > > > > > > ok no one is really free from bias when it comes to these things. as > > shaw (i think) once wrote "an unbiased opinion isn't worth a damn". > > > > i do not think you have provided specific evidence that he has been > > dishonesty or unjust ... much less so that he has even been incorrect. > > Let's take, as an example, the link I provided in response to a comment > of his that prompted a couple people to defend him. I've given him that > URL three or four times in the last year, in direct response to some > statement he has made suggesting that FreeBSD desktops simply cannot > compare with MS Windows desktops in terms of flashiness, bells and > whistles, et cetera. Each time, I have very clearly stated my > disagreement with his estimation of FreeBSD as being thoroughly beaten by > MS Windows in that area, with that URL provided as evidence to back my > claim. > > Each time, he has completely ignored what I said and the URL I provided. > He keeps coming back to make exactly the same sort of claims he has > before, utterly failing to addresses arguments against his hand-waving > statements without any logical or evidenciary support. Nobody else has > bothered to dispute what I've said, either. > > In absence of, at *minimum*, some half-assed attempt to make a case > against what I've provided, I will continue to regard his repetition of > disputed, unsupported statements to be dishonest or at least wildly > inaccurate. That's generally how *reasonable* people treat hand-waving > arguments like his, with no logical or evidenciary support -- nor even > personal, anecdotal support -- when they are disputed by a > counterargument *with support*. > > Would you prefer I just accept his statements, which fly in the face of > my own experience, even after he fails to answer supported disputations > of their content, just because it's him and you say he has to be right > about everything? > > Even if his statement itself isn't dishonest, his unwillingness to either > back away from it or offer a counterargument when it is effectively > disputed is dishonest. He pretends there is no other side to the matter, > no other valid opinion, yet resolutely refuses to acknowledge such "other > side" arguments when they arise. > > I use an example of my own statements only because I'm most familiar with > my own statements -- not because others do not exist. > > > > > > and as far as 'sticking to the rules', he hasn't abused anyone from > > any of the posts i recall reading, so within the terms of conduct of > > an email list, i don't find your picturesque expression 'crush others > > beneath his heel' legitimate. > > I guess you haven't been reading very closely. > > > > > > > If he just said "If this doesn't suit your needs, try something > > > else," I wouldn't have a problem. Telling people patent falsehoods > > > about how FreeBSD simply can't do what other OSes can, even in cases > > > where FreeBSD can do them *better* than those other OSes, in an > > > attempt to drive away anyone that might be looking at FreeBSD as a > > > possible migration path, is rather suboptimal in my opinion, however. > > > > > it would be suboptimal, if it were true. however, i really can't recall > > anything of the sort, chad - ever. and certainly not in this thread. i > > also don't understand why you think he'd be even motivated to do this. > > of what possible interest could it be for him to drive others away from > > freebsd? > > Oh, poppycock. Go back and read the very post to which I responded when > I called him a troll. Notice how he says things that seem carefully > calculated to make people think "Oh, this FreeBSD thing obviously sucks > as a desktop OS." Take off the blinders. > > I have no idea why he'd be motivated to do that. I'm not him. All I > know is what I've seen him do increasingly often over the last year. I can actually confirm this observation over the past year and beyond. It has begun innocently enough in the past couple of years and has grown in intensity since. I don't particularly want to be drawn into this debate, but this does seem to be rather one sided argument. My philosophy is to simply ignore most comments, counter some of them, and draw the OP to more balanced views. I doubt that any arguments can be won here. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:43:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569B31065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA678FC1B for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEAhWa7003296; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:34 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBEAhWa7003296 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229251414; bh=RIGceWrl98oQc6 /GqMIUjVhLZjYIPqZKHgQNsZ1j58c=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<4944E34E.1040904@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sun,=2 014=20Dec=202008=2010:43:26=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081125)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Glen=20Barber=20|CC:=20Wojciech=2 0Puchar=20,=20=0D=0A=20Da=20Rock=20 ,=0D=0A=20freebsd-questions@freebsd. org|Subject:=20Re:=20Why=20FreeBSD=20not=20popular=20on=20hardware= 20vendors|References:=20<20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr>=09 <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org>=09<20081213182 336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=09<87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop>= 09<20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=09<94136a2c081213 1010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com>=09<20081213200315.A4 4344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>=09<1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2 .herveybayaustralia.com.au>=09<20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor. gdynia.pl>=20<4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gma il.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f69 8@mail.gmail.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20mult ipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applic ation/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig6370D7B BCF80122869B2BEB7"; b=jLwM18t7276Hnbnxro94JVmLiiumOlQdwBWSgDxeVwLLh uFKidoFriNpXs4RyT31mw6fSN3MIH70x6WQyrTNMFT27d46NSpCUbPtHLCXX13UV8a4 Zu967wkVFwm6QTCRMpjqQilZSMQskFf7CEN7PtwxAIjuWdytnkmFmyJ41IY= Message-ID: <4944E34E.1040904@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:26 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6370D7BBCF80122869B2BEB7" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8754/Sun Dec 14 03:28:03 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:43:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6370D7BBCF80122869B2BEB7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glen Barber wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: >>> You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers >>> were stupid. Maybe they were... >> the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. >> >> or is not? >=20 > How is that relevant? >=20 The tech was being paid to do a job, so he really was contractually oblig= ed to be nice to the customers. FreeBSD isn't under any sort of obligation,= contractual or otherwise to do anything. Well, apart from the exceptions where developers have been hired or given= grants to implement bits of functionality, or companies have decided to t= ask their employees with developing FreeBSD drivers[*]. Even so, while the obligation of any individual may not be directly to the FreeBSD project i= tself, the result is effectively just that. Not to mention the moral obligation that developers accept to debug and m= aintain the code that they give to the project. Sure, no one can demand that a d= eveloper drop everything and /fix/ /this/ /now/ but most developers, most of the t= ime, will respond extremely quickly to well-formed bug reports concerning thei= r areas of interest. The difference is the degree and nature of the motivation to work on Free= BSD related things. Ideally developers are self-motivated. They do it becau= se they want to, not because they have to or because they won't get paid if = they don't[+]. It's not an entirely black and white distinction -- after al= l, employees aren't slaves. If they really can't stand being nice to the id= iot customers, they always have the option of seeking alternative employment.= =20 Cheers, Matthew [*] I'm thinking of the Intel NICs that Jack Vogel maintains in particula= r here. [+] Although being paid to do what you would be doing anyhow is always ni= ce. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig6370D7BBCF80122869B2BEB7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAklE41QACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwdxwCfX4u+flrsW8YD8mxHsx/pHcqS 2MMAnR1U7Bbddo0XEuKYrk51mGJ634dV =l6Wz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6370D7BBCF80122869B2BEB7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:47:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F68106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5BE8FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDB04B2A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:47:43 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:46:54 +1000 Message-Id: <1229251616.2942.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Plan9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:47:07 -0000 Hope this deosn't upset the purists... I literally stumbled on a reference to plan9 in the freebsd ports- completely by accident, mind- and so I ran a search for what it was on google. I found an article on wikipedia and from there a link to download the latest iso. Unfortunately the .iso.gz is empty. There is a note saying that downloads are limited, but there is no suggestion of this in the empty file recieved. Given the wide range of experience and backgrounds, plus the references in ports, I figured someone here might possibly know where to get a copy of the iso, or something about it. It looks very interesting and I'd like to look at it, but I'm not sure whether it is still active... Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:54:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF6F106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F838FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:54:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so5113961bwz.19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:53:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=9barWyHIBlT89VcrqUPn7pycOIENTODbLvyOr1R2pnE=; b=vVHKBi2aU9mzrWqZ7VurxqKjbSl+7Cmm7FrbZsRv19IbVWX/DVmdA0wStFM35BqMPq 20nhr/8GYc69eG6BEjYLmIWYOWpwR+9n+YaP9/YLYflROoX8lZl8JI3cL9R4ksg7uzVB W1FGopRiikIS2AtYx6A40hMuVMSmsUNzfcP/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=x/0jYEFtVPACio5HxW4X88zQ6hJRfEh5SsytnN4GLFN8gttdrlxtNRn6ziLDi8Rf0y 4Xnti5YT4Yck2kcojDXHqfIb24NBjbT94Rn8E6lNi12UrkuWYLAP1Xmgs03+qn9M9RqP PP5nl45MefcmTIXx1dClEPxRmidJUZWz8pRUU= Received: by 10.223.107.9 with SMTP id z9mr1923361fao.1.1229252038533; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.206 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:53:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <991123400812140253k4c0fb232tef6dbab2d59f9087@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:53:58 +0300 From: "Odhiambo Washington" To: "Matthew Seaman" In-Reply-To: <4944E34E.1040904@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gmail.com> <4944E34E.1040904@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Glen Barber , Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:54:01 -0000 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Matthew Seaman < m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > Glen Barber wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar >> wrote: >> >>> You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers >>>> were stupid. Maybe they were... >>>> >>> the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. >>> >>> or is not? >>> >> >> How is that relevant? >> >> > The tech was being paid to do a job, so he really was contractually obliged > to be nice to the customers. FreeBSD isn't under any sort of obligation, > contractual or otherwise to do anything. > > Well, apart from the exceptions where developers have been hired or given > grants to implement bits of functionality, or companies have decided to > task > their employees with developing FreeBSD drivers[*]. Even so, while the > obligation of any individual may not be directly to the FreeBSD project > itself, > the result is effectively just that. > > Not to mention the moral obligation that developers accept to debug and > maintain > the code that they give to the project. Sure, no one can demand that a > developer > drop everything and /fix/ /this/ /now/ but most developers, most of the > time, > will respond extremely quickly to well-formed bug reports concerning their > areas > of interest. > > The difference is the degree and nature of the motivation to work on > FreeBSD > related things. Ideally developers are self-motivated. They do it because > they want to, not because they have to or because they won't get paid if > they > don't[+]. It's not an entirely black and white distinction -- after all, > employees aren't slaves. If they really can't stand being nice to the > idiot > customers, they always have the option of seeking alternative employment. > Cheers, > There being no more need to add anything, with that simple and clear clarification from Dr. Matthew, let us all bow and say Amen! to this thread. Amen. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, unlike our MPs!" -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:54:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18591065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:54:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD2A8FC24 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEAsJW1048764; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEAsJwq048761; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4944E34E.1040904@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081214115318.T48752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gmail.com> <4944E34E.1040904@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:54:31 -0000 > related things. Ideally developers are self-motivated. They do it because > they want to, not because they have to or because they won't get paid if they > don't[+]. It's not an entirely black and white distinction -- after all, > employees aren't slaves. If they really can't stand being nice to the idiot > customers, they always have the option of seeking alternative employment. or going on your own. in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really "idiots") make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:54:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7203C1065673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:54:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 165548FC17 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71025 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 10:54:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Mc5/YjDWVMnF75ulxBfkmb9RULjW1I4k0y9dp/r9L2uasm8Gq9dQXEsSfnmTisS1t3WL1y4QtpUiu1pxUV/XWK4qrMQU88o/8mWtO4zEZMh6TfTLrkLkk5gNPHLMO9SL+XsyZikhVem/MmRub5b/mcnxkcVARSGcNJ9SnOtzlss= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 10:54:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 37kWv5gVM1nYbUpg1JQ.2Z4puZ1yLgVVx9R3sBHobSdCdXtalls6FwMtal.Zof7Ujr.LVGQU.leFngmaNqIj5i1EerbCYrXkq5jg4IVFeMgQYqr.pVoY9WcduQPBmA0JjtVu4ag_8ukAbQma8oTNAHMqGJV_O4fI7EzZ6hS96OFkPqNXJuIg4SK5I.x7w5iT5ZMnJDU0VtfEPJtSSeKrWDtT72jX5hqk X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:54:19 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081214055419.6c96d993@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <1229234726.18610.112.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213104642.M8959@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213200543.GC51063@kokopelli.hydra> <1229234726.18610.112.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/=X_5BNXME7z2oDMkMHOC8yy"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:54:33 -0000 --Sig_/=X_5BNXME7z2oDMkMHOC8yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:05:26 +1000 Da Rock wrote: >On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 13:05 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> > >>>I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. >> > >> >> > >>exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and >> > >>millions others) are willing to buy product without any >> > >>documentation. >> > > >> > >You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead >> > >people to make purchases of "total package" products rather than >> > >building something >> >=20 >> > there are products for them. >>=20 >> In other words, your answer seems to be: >>=20 >> "We don't want users who like FreeBSD, but want to use it on a >> laptop. FreeBSD should never be used on a laptop." >>=20 >> I'd say I can safely ignore you, knowing that's your attitude, if it >> weren't for the fact that a lot of other people won't know that down >> the line, and you may permanently damage the FreeBSD project by >> chasing off potential contributors. >>=20 >> Is there any way I can get you to stop being such a contentious >> trojan horse of an enemy to the FreeBSD project? >>=20 > >If one were spiritually minded one might see another reason behind >this. Reminds me of a posting I recently saw on Slashdot: (paraphrased) Criticizing FreeBSD =3D Flame Bait; Criticizing MS Windows =3D Insightful --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Remember that there is an outside world to see and enjoy. Hans Liepmann --Sig_/=X_5BNXME7z2oDMkMHOC8yy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklE5eQACgkQBvaKIJWWCO14pwCfYC5E7tzRVYiWLvihB/Zu5S8O MmgAn0Zpba1zU1UDKUXfhA29CSORUTWw =8lBo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/=X_5BNXME7z2oDMkMHOC8yy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:58:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D121065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497658FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEAwMnq048788; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:58:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEAwMfh048785; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:58:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:58:22 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <20081214115531.L48768@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:58:31 -0000 >> are thousands of hardware bugs. >> >> with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of >> their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. > > Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going most "high end" popular products are just buggy. as long as most people buy them just to be "better" than friend that bought older model half year ago - they will keep producing this shit. Really well hardware can be made, but not with half year production cycle. at least 3 years. > What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the > same... check if_iwi and its "firmware". No other wifi device (that I'm > aware of- maybe you need check more :) > put in a rl nic. The cpus are shit as well- I've had no end of trouble > with them, plus too hot, power hungry etc. as most people liked ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 10:59:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677C610656A5 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390468FC23 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2256211rvf.43 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:59:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=0yZOF6iUQq/Mc9+HdpZre5/lQFfL7G2nsmkCL2XASQ4=; b=DSkpncgpxbcl5H/Oo9Cd4yOTccHKPPO+knf0Z1E96LQuOfYUwFhiydFBTNmIl6oxHU 4EPufYorkhM05vaYwJJ4PcWKwIvLN5Nc2j53hnyYm2ZDDc1pBiXCG1MqAXgw9/N04hHt uha4PpE8iz8/wOuJqK5IOLxZjUog+w0FkZaaQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=dlolQ0g0AQHkQZHNDO342c3fJY5esuzCae9rer5JEdk5TqakPrggfHw0Cc4dCqs4x1 YzJKPeCRJ5pmFHqjft7iIWfmUdTi6PgmpsY+QDyMzLJzHjlpsGF6EhXOV4lKjncQMYZC 28Sakm5Dr4ZRWuCfxvpqXkZUSReHdpO3VtKV0= Received: by 10.141.89.13 with SMTP id r13mr3018920rvl.76.1229252346159; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:59:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.170.14 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:59:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5635aa0d0812140259y18712a55xb6efbb69fa48f86@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:59:06 +0700 From: "Outback Dingo" To: "Da Rock" In-Reply-To: <1229231755.18610.102.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081213090822.GA97581@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <1229231755.18610.102.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:59:06 -0000 > Wouldn't kerberos be a better alternative? One server (maybe a > replicated backup), and all services authenticate with that. Saves > shadow on the wire... > I think the ulitimate question is going to be at what level of pain does the person wish to suffer to achieve his goals there are numerous ways to do it, though some can be painful, if not experienced. I struggle to get my brain around an environment with mulitple OSes in it, where i would lean towards the LDAP method, though you raise a valid point where kerberos could fit nicely, though Im not sure we are aware of the long term goals or the project where one might be adding in other types of Operating Systems. Then we have the discussion of interoperability. If it stays as in his game plan and doesnt encounter scope creep (not like it doesnt happen) at some time, he might wish to choose the best overall design to implement, again my vote would be LDAP. it is the most globally scaable, relocable and interoperable once its deployed allowing for future growth without a serious amount of pain. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 11:01:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6941065673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9358FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEB14jf048818; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:01:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEB14cl048815; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:01:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:01:04 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <20081214115905.J48768@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:01:14 -0000 >> >> with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of >> their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. > > Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going > on. It explains why cpu usage can go up some times during use. > another example. Part of AMD phenom CPUs have TLB cache bug - actually making in unusable for anything serious. But - this CPUs are still available for sale. not as "broken" but as new. you won't even get informed about it when buying, Why? because people accepted it ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 11:22:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15F0106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342488FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp13.yandex.ru (smtp13.yandex.ru [77.88.32.83]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 945964C5358; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:22:54 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 33-126-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net ([94.178.126.33]:11013 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S5980261AbYLNLWs (ORCPT + 2 others); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:22:48 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp13 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229253768 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 3 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp13.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:22:47 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <127933703.20081214132247@yandex.ru> To: "David Weintraub" In-Reply-To: References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:22:58 -0000 , David. I have home# uname -a FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 on this machine sveserve startsup normally >My confusion comes from the output of PW home# pw user show svn svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin pw is utility to edit /etc/master.passwd home# cat /etc/master.passwd | grep svn svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >showing me that user "svn" is a valid user 'svn' user is valid user >Have you tried changing the "svn" user shell to /bin/bash telling this: .... :/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin I point that anyone can not use this user to login to system. But because of 'svn' is valid system user process can low his right to 'svn' user On this HOME machine when I try run svnserve it is runned despite on 'su svn' can not login me: home# su svn This account is currently not available. home# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. home# ps ax|grep svn 34209 ?? Ss 0:00,00 /usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 -r /usr 34211 p0 S+ 0:00,00 grep svn But on other machine with same user I can not start svnserver kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry DW> Have you tried changing the "svn" user shell to /bin/bash and see if DW> your startup script is working. the differences between this machines only are next: home# svnserve --version svnserve, version 1.5.1 (r32289) compiled Aug 3 2008, 00:10:41 home# uname -a FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 and kes# svnserve --version svnserve, version 1.5.2 (r32768) compiled Oct 8 2008, 21:55:55 kes# uname -a FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 17:19:12 EET 2008 kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 DW> It would be helpful if you explained your system, setup, what you were DW> doing, and the results instead of simply showing us the output of a DW> couple of commands. It is hard to figure out exactly what you are DW> trying to do and what you have done. I try to run 'svnserve'. I just install svnserver and add user svn to run svnserve under. I do same things on 'kes' as on 'home' machine. 14 2008 ., 7:22:39: DW> I'm a bit confused by what you're asking. I believe PW is a command DW> for editing groups and users on BSD, but I've never really used it. DW> My confusion comes from the output of PW. A typical user line has DW> seven fields, your output shows 11 fields. I am assuming that you're DW> showing me that user "svn" is a valid user. However, the shell is DW> setup to be /usr/sbin/nologin (which I assume is similar to setting DW> the shell to /etc/false). DW> Doing a "su svn" won't log you in becuase of the shell. I don't have DW> the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve script in front of me, so I can't DW> tell you what it is doing, but I suspect that since the "su svn" DW> command doesn't work, the script also does a "su svn -c $command", and DW> that is failing since your "svn" user is set to the "nologin" shell. DW> Have you tried changing the "svn" user shell to /bin/bash and see if DW> your startup script is working. DW> At least, once you've changed your shell to "/bin/bash", you'll be DW> able to sign on as user "svn", and try to start up the "svnserve" DW> program manually. Then, we can determine if the problem is with DW> "svnserve" or with your startup script. DW> It would be helpful if you explained your system, setup, what you were DW> doing, and the results instead of simply showing us the output of a DW> couple of commands. It is hard to figure out exactly what you are DW> trying to do and what you have done. DW> In theory, your computer is doing exactly what you told it to do -- no DW> more, no less, and thus there is no problem. Everything is working DW> perfectly as programmed. DW> What we need to know is what you *WANTED* it to do. Then we can figure DW> out how to get your system setup to do just that. DW> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:13 AM, KES wrote: >> , Users. >> >> What is wrong? >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >> kes# su svn >> su: Sorry >> kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> Starting svnserve. >> su: Sorry >> >> >> -- >> , >> KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> http://subversion.tigris.org/ds/viewMessage.do?dsForumId=1065&dsMessageId=983277 >> >> To unsubscribe from this discussion, e-mail: [users-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org]. >> -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 11:27:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731781065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DF48FC18 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB394B7A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:18 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5635aa0d0812140259y18712a55xb6efbb69fa48f86@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081213090822.GA97581@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <1229231755.18610.102.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <5635aa0d0812140259y18712a55xb6efbb69fa48f86@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:27:13 +1000 Message-Id: <1229254041.2942.11.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:27:38 -0000 On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 17:59 +0700, Outback Dingo wrote: > > Wouldn't kerberos be a better alternative? One server (maybe a > > replicated backup), and all services authenticate with that. Saves > > shadow on the wire... > > > > I think the ulitimate question is going to be at what level of pain does the > person wish to suffer to achieve his goals > there are numerous ways to do it, though some can be painful, if not > experienced. I struggle to get my brain around > an environment with mulitple OSes in it, where i would lean towards the LDAP > method, though you raise a valid point > where kerberos could fit nicely, though Im not sure we are aware of the long > term goals or the project where one might > be adding in other types of Operating Systems. Then we have the discussion > of interoperability. If it stays as in his game > plan and doesnt encounter scope creep (not like it doesnt happen) at some > time, he might wish to choose the best overall > design to implement, again my vote would be LDAP. it is the most globally > scaable, relocable and interoperable once its > deployed allowing for future growth without a serious amount of pain. Actually kerberos is quite widely supported in one form or other and is mostly interoperable (from my understanding anyway), and its surprisingly easy to implement- easier than ldap in my opinion. Even M$ crap uses it (different implementation, but basically the same). Plus the security it offers is by far worth the pain that could be caused. You mainly have to concentrate attention on the kdc access, as all auth runs off it, instead of every service on the network. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 11:59:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36E4106567C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEF38FC0C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:59:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEBwvAC049084; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEBwtBk049081; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: KES In-Reply-To: <127933703.20081214132247@yandex.ru> Message-ID: <20081214125835.J49080@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <127933703.20081214132247@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: David Weintraub , questions@freebsd.org, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:59:05 -0000 > su: Sorry > > > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash > kes# pw user show svn > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > Starting svnserve. > su: Sorry try to change directory to existent From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 13:00:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5591065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACABD8FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 57261380BE; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:00:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EED37F89 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:00:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90-230-141-139-no41.tbcn.telia.com [90.230.141.139]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0531037E47 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:00:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4945035C.6040401@telia.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:00:12 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson <240olofsson@telia.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raggen@raggens.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:00:15 -0000 Dear mailing list, I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer errors for me. Pre-conditions. Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical IP from ISP. Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from a DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the IP into /etc/hosts with a hostname? Reason for asking Firewall rules needs refreshing after new IP Possible answers: Create dhcp-exit-hooks (undocumented?) in /etc like so: #!/bin/sh if [ ! -z "$new_ip_address" ]; then IP=`ifconfig WAN | grep 'inet' | grep -v 'inet6' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` if [ ! -z "$IP" ]; then echo "$IP wan.local.domain wan" >> /etc/hosts fi fi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 13:11:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073361065676 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:11:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEFA8FC22 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726E63C8AF; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:11:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBEDBZA6005749; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:11:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:11:35 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081214125835.J49080@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <127933703.20081214132247@yandex.ru> <20081214125835.J49080@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Weintraub , KES , questions@freebsd.org, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:11:55 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > su: Sorry > > > > > > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash > > kes# pw user show svn > > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash > > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > > Starting svnserve. > > su: Sorry > try to change directory to existent (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. (2) As you said: Check existing directory. (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 13:23:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA93106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948698FC0C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so2964351ewy.19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:23:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=zYv2485efx63KTgHSnQZb00t74rvTPbpMMOyEdKlq3Q=; b=fqU5/UIqA9C7qkAgB4vGJegh6p3lwH2bAdF4fdE1s/0hMbfU7ISAWHM0CC+D1xITq6 juIEUaGsjwNxY18bTz+gDVP77IhVosIHh9dJHepIbAOQfz4Z3payAVmym6u1xEhs0JrJ FWJhg5HoE05IdffcZvocIOZ1IRTGp1q++JqSQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=TPfbOBsmUBpnIwlRIs+1P1tZQXLTHw82ekJ2697B+0sFfm64nZ8pP6ZJbjnQdeLODY jTkNDytHylMCEhm14ZkKZ08SB1Z/pLad43iP8+puYbySdJXm4/hnOwtp+PXy33jM4AjX YwvPnJZHF3c7nvOQ9HRH7eCfu62VQcgK1oBzw= Received: by 10.210.129.10 with SMTP id b10mr6520995ebd.121.1229260990255; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.225.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm9207611ewy.48.2008.12.14.05.23.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:23:04 +0300 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:23:04 +0300 From: Jeff Laine To: raggen@raggens.net Message-ID: <20081214132304.GA97385@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , raggen@raggens.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4945035C.6040401@telia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4945035C.6040401@telia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:23:12 -0000 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:00:12PM +0100, Roger Olofsson wrote: > Dear mailing list, > > I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however > the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives > referrer errors for me. > > Pre-conditions. > Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical > IP from ISP. > > Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from a > DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the IP > into /etc/hosts with a hostname? > > Reason for asking > Firewall rules needs refreshing after new IP > > Possible answers: > Create dhcp-exit-hooks (undocumented?) in /etc like so: > > #!/bin/sh > > if [ ! -z "$new_ip_address" ]; then > IP=`ifconfig WAN | grep 'inet' | grep -v 'inet6' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` > if [ ! -z "$IP" ]; then > echo "$IP wan.local.domain wan" >> /etc/hosts > > > > fi > fi > Hello. I think pf can handle with dhcp updates on interfaces pretty well. If only I get your question right. -- Best regards, Jeff () X-mas ribbon campaign /\ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 13:23:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5380A1065686 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:23:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: from av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CBB8FC16 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 179A437F4D; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:02:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A5C37F61 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:02:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90-230-141-139-no41.tbcn.telia.com [90.230.141.139]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66FA37E44 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:02:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <494503EA.4060505@telia.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:02:34 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson <240olofsson@telia.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: User Questions References: <4945035C.6040401@telia.com> In-Reply-To: <4945035C.6040401@telia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raggen@raggens.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:23:25 -0000 Roger Olofsson skrev: > Dear mailing list, > > I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however > the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives > referrer errors for me. > > Pre-conditions. > Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical > IP from ISP. > > Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from a > DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the IP > into /etc/hosts with a hostname? > > Reason for asking > Firewall rules needs refreshing after new IP > > Possible answers: > Create dhcp-exit-hooks (undocumented?) in /etc like so: > > #!/bin/sh > > if [ ! -z "$new_ip_address" ]; then > IP=`ifconfig WAN | grep 'inet' | grep -v 'inet6' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` > if [ ! -z "$IP" ]; then > echo "$IP wan.local.domain wan" >> /etc/hosts > > > > fi > fi > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 2008-12-13 16:56 > Sorry I mean dhclient-exit-hooks not dhcp-exit-hooks.... /R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 14:22:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545171065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eitanadlerlist@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3298FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eitanadlerlist@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2299212rvf.43 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:22:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :from; bh=wEPFCG9AF3KUEKuCIy9PZt+ElGkF/T0hbYSy9dGE0vg=; b=tsmhQCuXCHc2LusH9hSZMCnYA5+/Th0hF7mUmdivV02XDeYeWqjHtJgcKuVMF9Pt4/ pdg+UNwzpo4Gnz/nWgqLkBK6Gx3U3C+pz1vGkfNuZUnvVjuB4q67lVlzldDwFGjPjIU6 cm6NhigHHRHRJaXsqBk7Lh45cYAVgb75oFGKI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; b=t/ZDDjWMbrQy/1kjANP2MvCJ7URRFHn788u6qvEpJplCQxCTbr7qlHAqHA2nuaXrqq jJyV6tEhV1UMobxyCi7CrZRs+hKH1VbabwPkIqwPeKIFIdh1ii33EV4UQUlGKGJPwE5J r0gpyHaXxVvZ0HwO3UglqM86UlYY1FoPRuTd4= Received: by 10.142.88.4 with SMTP id l4mr2315289wfb.117.1229264541870; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from aargh.lan (ool-182fcc8b.dyn.optonline.net [24.47.204.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31sm6707229wff.3.2008.12.14.06.22.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:22:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4945169C.6050501@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:22:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; ) Gecko Thunderbird Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zbigniew Szalbot References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <200812131844.33151.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <94136a2c0812131018r717c6ac0uc3cf6172601fe26@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0812131018r717c6ac0uc3cf6172601fe26@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=E9C2CCD1; url=pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eitan Adler Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:22:22 -0000 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Thank you Jonathan - I cannot give much to FBSD as I am not a > programmer either but - again - if I can be of any use > communication-wise, I am happy to join the community and serve. Actually, you could give a lot to the project. I could think of a few things and I'm sure others could think of more 1) Testing -STABLE or -CURRENT and submitting bugs reports 2) Writing or translating docs 3) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing/index.html section 1.1 -- Eitan Adler GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 14:28:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD9D106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullblaststorm@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF788FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullblaststorm@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so2289769wfg.7 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:28:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=KHpibo8ST8cAH6LrAxKpt0DZY52viKmn2Ail4id19ug=; b=qMHQ3RnW2q5ipNl0zOY+t5bsXWPLiPeQavjbPGo9J8gOwdfyMqv9JovoYO9bK4yZ/f al+mBHGJ6+Ui+U9XRPbh49bafc7tgpaJ9eEtrUWmQnQWXbYMOH1sfO7Ch36aT7iCV6ng UZgmQdQ1eb91WH6IGD/O3UBbAAZvXAmB892gA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MaQNOwatSSgDLABMy5rnubEFko6wgdotnyTxrxD0OlNVIDWoe7oGM5lLKPPD8Li7Iv ETYN4Fa2U9zb27JZzyuTc6btANxziRVQH0tarxEBUYOD7cet6CgMjX6U7buw24rY7zBs y9lmpWfZh+zSEFbKRJ6FMgdNnW2Tpu9Z+FD3Y= Received: by 10.142.12.14 with SMTP id 14mr2322252wfl.28.1229264896521; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.97.8 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:28:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6c51dbb10812140628t3531c703r85f691d228dfd8e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:28:16 +0500 From: FuLLBLaSTstorm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: freebsd-update killed my /var X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:28:17 -0000 Hey all, Recently I've run freebsd-update on my desktop machine, but it failed saying that it cannot save its files anymore to /var because the filesystem is full. now df shows something like this: # df /dev/ad0s1d 253678 250630 -17248 107% /var I'm in the middle of solving the problem, now I think of adding new filesystem and replacing the old /var with it. And it would be more than great if freebsd-update notified users how much of free space it needs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 14:39:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D31106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5548A8FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBEEd6mE056612 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:39:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F18D7BAA2; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:39:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:39:05 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081214143905.GA9275@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" Content-Disposition: inline X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: send performance of rl(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:39:09 -0000 --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Transferring files from my desktop to my laptop with rsync (over a point-to-point netowork connection) is extremely slow, maxing out at around 50 kB/s and often dropping to 0. Both systems show hardly any activity. Is this normal for rsync running over a network? There is a rsync daemon running on the laptop. Network interface on the laptop is xl(4), the desktop is rl(4). I think that the link is OK, because transferring dumps with nc from the laptop to the desktop can max out the connection (9000-10000 kB/s over 100baseTX full-duplex). However, when I try nc to transfer a file from the desktop to the laptop it is extremely slow, topping out at around 200 kB/s. When I check with netstat, the qeues on the laptop are empty, while the send-queue on the desktop shows a large value: Active Internet connections Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) tcp4 0 40951 192.168.0.1.55460 rfs.65000 ESTABLIS= HED I've tried disabling the firewall on the desktop (laptop doesn't have one) and enabling polling on both interfaces. It doesn't seem to make any difference. Are there any bottlenecks I could check for? Or is this just a case of crappy hardware? The rl(4) based cards don't seem to have a very good reputation. I've got an old 3com 905B card lying around. Would it help if I used that instead? Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklFGokACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWY2QCfZFINCqTaBZx9+pGxBzvjKOtw 6rcAn1FP0H9v2cPJJa250Og7vRs7k9PQ =EZ5J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 14:41:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6B01065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:41:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A998FC19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2008 09:41:02 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id KMW53539; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2008 09:39:56 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18757.6844.345161.27101@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:39:56 -0500 To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1229232769.18610.106.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> <1229232769.18610.106.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:41:02 -0000 Da Rock writes: > I'm sorry, but the only image I could conjure up for a > pointy-haired boss was Bart Simpson in a suit (or Lisa as > President) :D > > Do you have another image in mind? You are obviously not familiar with the comic strip "Dilbert" written by Scott Adams. Please fix this before continiung to breathe. :-) Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 14:45:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7432B1065675 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:45:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1638FC16 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:45:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEEjZLE049491; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:45:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEEjZi9049488; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:45:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:45:35 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roland Smith In-Reply-To: <20081214143905.GA9275@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20081214154452.O49468@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081214143905.GA9275@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: send performance of rl(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:45:46 -0000 > Transferring files from my desktop to my laptop with rsync (over a > point-to-point netowork connection) is extremely slow, maxing out at > around 50 kB/s and often dropping to 0. Both systems show hardly any > activity. Is this normal for rsync running over a network? There is a no. > rsync daemon running on the laptop. Network interface on the laptop is > xl(4), the desktop is rl(4). it may be problem with autoconfiguration of speed and half/full duplex. try setting it manually on one or both sides. it's unfortunately common From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 14:47:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B781106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from jasper.secsrv.net (jasper.secsrv.net [66.98.138.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612138FC1D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from [82.161.18.200] (helo=[10.0.1.104]) by jasper.secsrv.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LBsFU-0003UK-5S for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:47:14 -0500 Message-Id: From: FBSD UG To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:47:09 +0100 References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jasper.secsrv.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rgbaz.eu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:47:16 -0000 On 12 dec 2008, at 20:32, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware >>> specs >>> isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important. >>> >> >> My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very >> dangerous >> precedent if the solution involves allowing a third party commercial >> enterprise to dictate features FreeBSD "must include" before they >> will >> support it. > > NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. > this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, > programmers do make support for it. > > what is common today isn't normal. did FreeBSD change to GPL? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 14:48:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667D51065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:48:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B92D8FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:48:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEEmIJn049521; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:48:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEEmHO8049518; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:48:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:48:17 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: raggen@raggens.net In-Reply-To: <4945035C.6040401@telia.com> Message-ID: <20081214154608.B49468@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4945035C.6040401@telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:48:26 -0000 > I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the > htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer > errors for me. > > Pre-conditions. > Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical IP > from ISP. > > Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from a DHCP > assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the IP into > /etc/hosts with a hostname? man dhclient.conf you can specify your script that will be started on changes, but i won't tell you ready-to-use example because i never needed it. write your script that will fix /etc/hosts on IP change. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 14:48:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F8D1065675 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from jasper.secsrv.net (jasper.secsrv.net [66.98.138.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646F48FC1D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from [82.161.18.200] (helo=[10.0.1.104]) by jasper.secsrv.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LBsGr-0003fy-Ja for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:48:38 -0500 Message-Id: From: FBSD UG To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081212215423.e1cfe454.dick@nagual.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:48:34 +0100 References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212215423.e1cfe454.dick@nagual.nl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jasper.secsrv.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rgbaz.eu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:48:39 -0000 On 12 dec 2008, at 21:54, dick hoogendijk wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true >> reason they do this. >> >> With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly >> there are thousands of hardware bugs. >> >> with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least >> half of their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware >> bugs. > > Your talking about things without providing any evidence as usual. > It's just bollocks. NVidia has fabulous 3dgraphics cards and their > drivers work very very well. At least they do on solaris (32/64bit). > ...and Mac OSX and Linux and even Windows From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 15:05:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3FF1065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:05:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF938FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBEF4tG8086308; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:04:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 817A0BAA2; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:04:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:04:55 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081214150455.GA11318@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20081214143905.GA9275@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214154452.O49468@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081214154452.O49468@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: send performance of rl(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:05:03 -0000 --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 03:45:35PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Transferring files from my desktop to my laptop with rsync (over a > > point-to-point netowork connection) is extremely slow, maxing out at > > around 50 kB/s and often dropping to 0. Both systems show hardly any > > activity. Is this normal for rsync running over a network? There is a >=20 > no. Good, so there is presumably something I can fix. =20 > > rsync daemon running on the laptop. Network interface on the laptop is > > xl(4), the desktop is rl(4). >=20 > it may be problem with autoconfiguration of speed and half/full duplex. > try setting it manually on one or both sides. Both were showing 100baseTX full-duplex on autoselect. Setting both manually with 'ifconfig [rl1|xl0] media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex' didn't improve things. > it's unfortunately common :-( Would swapping the rl(4) card with a xl(4) card help? I've got one in my spare parts bin. I presume two xl(4) cards would have no trouble talking to eachother. =20 Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklFIJcACgkQEnfvsMMhpyXfVwCggklZVo+9GoqAoyYoCuGSokYD wqMAoIcW5chhpMS5X50bXMWYXaI9CAYJ =fRLI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 15:11:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5908F1065676 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:11:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7958FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:11:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp14.yandex.ru (smtp14.yandex.ru [77.88.32.84]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 2EE384C5262; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:11:28 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 33-126-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net ([94.178.126.33]:22280 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S393318AbYLNPLV (ORCPT + 4 others); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:11:21 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp14 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229267481 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 9 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp14.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:11:17 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <127933703.20081214132247@yandex.ru> <20081214125835.J49080@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: David Weintraub , Wojciech Puchar , questions@freebsd.org, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:11:32 -0000 , Polytropon. 14 2008 ., 15:11:35: P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar P> wrote: >> > su: Sorry >> > >> > >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >> > kes# pw user show svn >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> > Starting svnserve. >> > su: Sorry >> try to change directory to existent P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. home# uname -a FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 home# pw user show svn svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve does not work on kes# uname -a FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 17:19:12 EET 2008 kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 15:33:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1564B1065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7928FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEFWi0M049615; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:32:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEFWgYT049612; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:32:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:32:42 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: KES In-Reply-To: <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> Message-ID: <20081214163223.S49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <127933703.20081214132247@yandex.ru> <20081214125835.J49080@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: David Weintraub , questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon , users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:33:09 -0000 > > P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. wrong. wheel group is needed to su to root,not from root From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 15:34:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0640B1065676 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:34:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585B08FC21 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEFYHmx049626; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:34:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEFYHDS049623; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:34:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:34:17 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roland Smith In-Reply-To: <20081214150455.GA11318@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20081214163257.X49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081214143905.GA9275@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214154452.O49468@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214150455.GA11318@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: send performance of rl(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:34:26 -0000 >> >> it may be problem with autoconfiguration of speed and half/full duplex. >> try setting it manually on one or both sides. > > Both were showing 100baseTX full-duplex on autoselect. Setting both > manually with 'ifconfig [rl1|xl0] media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex' > didn't improve things. try half-duplex, then other cable, then other card. > >> it's unfortunately common > > :-( > > Would swapping the rl(4) card with a xl(4) card help? I've got one in my it may. but one of the cards or the cable is bad. on short cables when one pin does not contact it MAY work, just like that :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 15:35:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A354106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:35:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095B98FC1C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEFZemx049643; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:35:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEFZe2h049640; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:35:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:35:40 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FBSD UG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081214163428.B49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211103742.21621a6d@gom.home> <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212215423.e1cfe454.dick@nagual.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:35:48 -0000 >> Your talking about things without providing any evidence as usual. >> It's just bollocks. NVidia has fabulous 3dgraphics cards and their >> drivers work very very well. At least they do on solaris (32/64bit). >> > > ...and Mac OSX and Linux and even Windows well is said too much at least compared to advertised performance of their GPU. but it works. anyway it's NTG, ask nvidia to write needed kernel module (as they say they need it) for FreeBSD, or make their hardware documentation fully open so other may write it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 15:38:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E6C1065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from jasper.secsrv.net (jasper.secsrv.net [66.98.138.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7C88FC16 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from [82.161.18.200] (helo=[10.0.1.104]) by jasper.secsrv.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LBt37-0003YH-B4; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:38:29 -0500 Message-Id: <71959979-E03D-454E-A637-29E46BC2D2E4@rgbaz.eu> From: FBSD UG To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:38:26 +0100 References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jasper.secsrv.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rgbaz.eu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:38:31 -0000 >> >> SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks >> moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers "lame" >> but all >> that is off topic. >> >> Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. > > I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one > wants > it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. exactly... when is something part of FBSD and when not? all the ports aren't? so dhcpd is not part of FBSD either? where does that philosophy ends then? is sendmail part of FBSD...? maybe the whole userland isn't and FreeBSD is just a kernel? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:43:39 -0000 Hi everybody=0Asomebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freeb= sd, NetBsd and HPUX?=0A=0Athanks=0ATomas=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Messa= ge ----=0A> From: Tom=E1s Rodriguez =0A> To: freebsd-= questions@freebsd.org=0A> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:31:03 AM=0A= > Subject: I need Install DB2 in Freebsd with a tool administration like we= bmin but for database DB2=0A> =0A> Hi, everyone.=0A> =0A> I wanna install D= B2 in my unix freebsd, but I never doing that, in fact I need a =0A> tool l= ike GUI or like webmin, for the adminsitration of the DB2. who can help me = =0A> with that.=0A> I'll appreciate any help, because I have been very hurr= y with that I'll =0A> developer a tools in DB2 butnever worked in this data= base management, I always =0A> work in mysql server.=0A> please any help?= =0A> =0A> have a great day for everyone here.=0A> sincerely=0A> Tomas=0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Richard KHOO Guan Chen= =0A> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" =0A> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2= 008 9:58:13 PM=0A> Subject: Re: portaudit -solved=0A> =0A> Thank you Sahil = Tandon=0A> =0A> I have solved the problem. 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Go t= o http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 15:49:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C241065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:49:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB8F8FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:49:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEFnSFB049675; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:49:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEFnStq049672; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:49:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:49:28 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FBSD UG In-Reply-To: <71959979-E03D-454E-A637-29E46BC2D2E4@rgbaz.eu> Message-ID: <20081214164650.I49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> <71959979-E03D-454E-A637-29E46BC2D2E4@rgbaz.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:49:41 -0000 >>> Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. >> >> I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants >> it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. > > exactly... > when is something part of FBSD and when not? what is "base system" > all the ports aren't? port system (script and Makefiles) are part of FreeBSD, but there is group dedicated to it: freebsd-ports port system allows to compile and install various unix tools on FreeBSD. but this tools are completely third party thing. > so dhcpd is not part of FBSD either? yes. it's name even states it clearly: isc-dhcpd :) > > where does that philosophy ends then? > is sendmail part of FBSD...? yes - it's included in FreeBSD base system. > maybe the whole userland isn't and FreeBSD is just a kernel? no. it's not linux. what you can build through "make buildworld" is FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 15:50:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BA31065676 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:50:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728898FC1C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEFo9co049682; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEFo9H8049679; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:09 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_Rodriguez?= In-Reply-To: <587762.88974.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081214164932.U49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <587762.88974.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:50:19 -0000 > Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? NTG. simply read webpages on FreeBSD, NetBSD and HPUX and compare. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 15:58:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34AD1065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: from av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488BF8FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 67DBB380BE; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:58:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D7938000; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:58:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90-230-141-139-no41.tbcn.telia.com [90.230.141.139]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA0537E46; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:58:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49452D09.5030003@telia.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:58:01 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson <240olofsson@telia.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Laine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4945035C.6040401@telia.com> <20081214132304.GA97385@free.bsd.loc> In-Reply-To: <20081214132304.GA97385@free.bsd.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raggen@raggens.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:58:03 -0000 Jeff Laine skrev: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:00:12PM +0100, Roger Olofsson wrote: >> Dear mailing list, >> >> I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however >> the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives >> referrer errors for me. >> >> Pre-conditions. >> Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical >> IP from ISP. >> >> Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from a >> DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the IP >> into /etc/hosts with a hostname? >> >> Reason for asking >> Firewall rules needs refreshing after new IP >> >> Possible answers: >> Create dhcp-exit-hooks (undocumented?) in /etc like so: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> >> if [ ! -z "$new_ip_address" ]; then >> IP=`ifconfig WAN | grep 'inet' | grep -v 'inet6' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` >> if [ ! -z "$IP" ]; then >> echo "$IP wan.local.domain wan" >> /etc/hosts >> >> >> >> fi >> fi >> > > Hello. I think pf can handle with dhcp updates on interfaces pretty well. > If only I get your question right. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 2008-12-13 16:56 > Hi Jeff and thank you for your reply, Yes, I know that pf will handle interfaces just fine, the question was not specific to pf though but more around dhclient, dhclient-script and the part of dhclient-script that calls the undocumented dhclient-exit-hooks. It might be handy to have the external IP assigned to a hostname - not only for pf. /R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 16:01:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DC1106568E for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:01:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from nagual.nl (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [82.74.10.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3778FC2D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from westmark (westmark.nagual.nl [192.168.11.22]) by nagual.nl (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/yanta) with SMTP id mBEG1eXu017240 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:01:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:01:15 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20081214170115.6d87ce0e.dick@nagual.nl> In-Reply-To: <20081214164932.U49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <587762.88974.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20081214164932.U49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: de nagual X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.14.3; i386-pc-solaris2.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 192.168.11.35 Subject: Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:01:24 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:09 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among > > freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? > NTG. Found a new hobby? Cyber Police? -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv103 ++ + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 16:16:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008F31065686 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yoniy@mellanox.co.il) Received: from mellanox.co.il (mail.mellanox.co.il [194.90.237.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3C58FC1D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yoniy@mellanox.co.il) Received: from Internal Mail-Server by MTLPINE1 (envelope-from yoniy@mellanox.co.il) with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 17:49:38 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:49:37 +0200 Message-ID: <5D49E7A8952DC44FB38C38FA0D758EAD01335E8C@mtlexch01.mtl.com> In-Reply-To: <877i6ct1kj.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Detecting network memory leaks using netstat -m Thread-Index: AclYhWeoe95GSZt3QlCl//ARQwccPAFfOEQw References: <20def4870812070756n649f442fwc6e1d3da195a0669@mail.gmail.com> <877i6ct1kj.fsf@kobe.laptop> From: "Yehonatan Yossef" To: , Cc: Subject: Detecting network memory leaks using netstat -m X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:16:23 -0000 Hi All, I'm trying to find out whether my ethernet driver is leaking. I just found out about netstat -m, but I don't understand some of it's output. Can somebody explain me what is "mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use" ? My output shows it raised significantly during equilibrium after several stress runs: BEFORE 16641/217734/234375 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 16640/217766/234406/262144 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 256/1664 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) AFTER 625083/86562/711645 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 180264/81880/262144/262144 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 160420/311 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) Thanks Yony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 16:18:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BCC106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6798FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:18:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonyossef.lists@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 30so79947ugs.39 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:18:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index :x-mimeole; bh=7GW99+ghMHd71rypDhrCelqHsa1rsLgIcx1uuKiSpGw=; b=oILcXSOyTAwRo72eCbHDdElxhuIy13uWnZXEdmhhoD9NQtJMQB2FovtMmkX0W8bQvR MkN7eLNDTztTtpVPZ95mzvTwxpIr6w2YWrYBXzJzj+IP3YTXcZ0JBwUR/fYeDTZj01OL 2QIJY3NznFG0uG9IPGfP0wyUxEGNgvnpfRBJ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:x-mimeole; b=P04SbsOd5rz56292JWnkgCmg1ze4+8Q7rnUi8jmJvdhGzUmAoSYnJtnkTCzcyyWQ4P oXCQ6vd+OrpmYel9CKRykI5bB6EpjJ4BIn1+a8P1fqMSwMGl5Y3dwYKjbu5SRwN5aRYg eoeqiuqoE1SAoLteKn6Z3gSVEYFtGgG/ecN0Y= Received: by 10.67.10.18 with SMTP id n18mr1253742ugi.45.1229271513721; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtllpt03 (DSL212-235-20-133.bb.netvision.net.il [212.235.20.133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm1391985ugf.37.2008.12.14.08.18.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:18:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Yony Yossef" To: , Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:18:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c95e07$9a00b750$220f000a@mtl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcleB3L1w1FPfM67Th2QhCAfTPGeZw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Detecting network memory leaks using netstat -m X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:18:35 -0000 Hi All, I'm trying to find out whether my ethernet driver is leaking. I just found out about netstat -m, but I don't understand some of it's output. Can somebody explain me what is "mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use" ? My output shows it raised significantly during equilibrium after several stress runs: BEFORE 16641/217734/234375 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 16640/217766/234406/262144 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 256/1664 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) AFTER 625083/86562/711645 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 180264/81880/262144/262144 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 160420/311 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) Thanks Yony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 16:39:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6A0106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0071.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DC78FC1B for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay05.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 221A6187C08D; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:39:45 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, f821059e53baac55, 944facfeb153b4f0, eagletree@hughes.net, admhardsoft@yahoo.ca:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, RULES_HIT:2703, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from [192.168.0.3] (dpc6744118153.direcpc.com [67.44.118.153]) (Authenticated sender: eagletree@hughes.net) by omf04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <587762.88974.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <587762.88974.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Chris Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:39:31 -0800 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tom=E1s_Rodriguez?= , FreeBSD-Questions Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-session-marker: 6561676C6574726565406875676865732E6E6574 Cc: Subject: Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:39:46 -0000 On Dec 14, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Tom=E1s Rodriguez wrote: > Hi everybody > somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, =20 > NetBsd and HPUX? Your question is too broad for a meaningful answer. You could ask it more specifically based on what you are trying to decide. It would be a massive response to answer it as stated. A quick and major difference (that may indicate my lack of knowledge on HP-UX). HP-UX is an OS for a specific set of hardware platforms. NetBSD and FreeBSD are neither tied to a platform or vendor. If you had an HP-9000, you would likely consider HP-UX first, if you have a generic motherboard with a typical Pentium or AMD, you would probably select one of the BSDs based on what you planned to implement and how well that BSD runs on your hardware. I could be wrong about the current state of HP-UX but this was it's intended implementation in the days I looked at it. > > thanks > Tomas > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Tom=E1s Rodriguez >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:31:03 AM >> Subject: I need Install DB2 in Freebsd with a tool administration =20 >> like webmin but for database DB2 >> >> Hi, everyone. >> >> I wanna install DB2 in my unix freebsd, but I never doing that, in =20= >> fact I need a >> tool like GUI or like webmin, for the adminsitration of the DB2. =20 >> who can help me >> with that. >> I'll appreciate any help, because I have been very hurry with that =20= >> I'll >> developer a tools in DB2 butnever worked in this database =20 >> management, I always >> work in mysql server. >> please any help? >> >> have a great day for everyone here. >> sincerely >> Tomas >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Richard KHOO Guan Chen >> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:58:13 PM >> Subject: Re: portaudit -solved >> >> Thank you Sahil Tandon >> >> I have solved the problem. My ISP uses proxy for http (I think) =20 >> as I have >> closed off port 80 and opened port 8080, and that has got me to =20 >> the web with no >> problem. I have also been able to use ports installation with my =20 >> ipf firewall >> setup, so I could not understand why portaudit command failed. I =20 >> have now opened >> up port 80 and get the thing working. >> >> Your message got me thinking in this direction as you confiremed =20 >> that the file >> is from http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports. >> >> Once again thanks and apologies for the late reply. >> >> >> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Sahil Tandon wrote: >> >>> Richard KHOO Guan Chen wrote: >>> >>>> I have recently installed 6.4 release and tried to do a =20 >>>> portausidt -F. >>>> No go reply was that auditfile.tbz unavailable. >>> >>> By default, portaudit fetches the database from www.FreeBSD.org/=20 >>> ports. >>> What is the output of the following commands on your machine? >>> >>> % wget http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz >>> % fetch -1amp http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/auditfile.tbz >>> >>> Have you created or modified /usr/local/etc/portaudit.conf? >>> >>> -- Sahil Tandon=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-=20 >>> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-=20 >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> =20 >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the =20 >> new Yahoo! >> Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > =20 > __________________________________________________________________ > Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go =20= > to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-=20 > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 16:50:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30A6106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7F48FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r1p91a00217dt5G564qgHp; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:40 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r4qf1a00D1f6R9u3Z4qf5c; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:40 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:50:39 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:50:39 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081214165039.GB17550@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <587762.88974.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <587762.88974.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.x/FreeBSD 7.0 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 Subject: Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:41 -0000 On Sun 14 Dec 2008 at 07:43:38 PST Toms Rodriguez wrote: >Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among >freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? Wikipedia has articles on all three of these. You might want to start there in order to get an overview and to get some familiarity with the similarities and the differences. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPUX Also see the Wikipedia article comparing the BSD's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 16:58:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD42F106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 112088FC1D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: (qmail 21908 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 16:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blizzard.dnsalias.org) (218.215.144.4) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 16:58:15 -0000 Received: by blizzard.dnsalias.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 58B07170D0; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:58:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:58:16 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: FuLLBLaSTstorm Message-ID: <20081214165816.GA6979@ozzmosis.com> References: <6c51dbb10812140628t3531c703r85f691d228dfd8e3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6c51dbb10812140628t3531c703r85f691d228dfd8e3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update killed my /var X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:58:19 -0000 On Sun 2008-12-14 19:28:16 UTC+0500, FuLLBLaSTstorm (fullblaststorm@gmail.com) wrote: > Recently I've run freebsd-update on my desktop machine, but it failed > saying that it cannot save its files anymore to /var because the > filesystem is full. If you are short on disk space then from what I can tell it seems to be harmless to erase everything under /var/db/freebsd-update before you run "freebsd-update -r x.x-RELEASE upgrade". The catch is that you lose the ability to use the "freebsd-update rollback" command. After all, /var/db/freebsd-update/ presumably begins life as an empty folder after an initial install of FreeBSD. That is my experience, anyway. I may be wrong! I assume the way "rollback" works is that if you use freebsd-upgrade to upgrade from 6.2-REL to 6.3-REL, then again to 6.4-REL, the theory is that you can reverse the upgrades all the way back to 6.2-REL again. Whether you'd actually want to do that... I'm not sure. It seems to me that if you upgraded to 6.4-REL, then you'd probably only ever want to rollback as far back as 6.3-REL. I guess the ability to rollback multiple releases is provided mostly because it's possible, and disk space is cheap. I suppose you could always create a symlink: mv /var/db/freebsd-update /var/db/freebsd-update.old ln -s /disk/with/lots/of/space/freebsd-update /var/db/freebsd-update From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 17:04:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B641065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D5348FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: (qmail 22280 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 17:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blizzard.dnsalias.org) (218.215.144.4) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 17:04:39 -0000 Received: by blizzard.dnsalias.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0F1151727B; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:04:41 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:04:41 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20081214170440.GB6979@ozzmosis.com> References: <20081213215050.GA49669@thought.org> <4ad871310812131402o6674fa64wd104268eafafec0f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812131402o6674fa64wd104268eafafec0f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:04:43 -0000 On Sat 2008-12-13 17:02:48 UTC-0500, Glen Barber (glen.j.barber@gmail.com) wrote: > > i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a "your mail was opened > > on user@foo.com". i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to > > get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] > > way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? [2 da ago i send > > cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my paragraph. i'd like > > to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully was glanced at!] > > I believe you're looking for a receipt confirmation tool, but I don't > believe mutt has that capability, as its job is to write mail, and > direct it to the MTA. > > Either way, receipt confirmations are not always accurate, as I never > send confirmations that I have received mail -- then I'd *need* to > reply. Indeed. Also, these links may be useful... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_receipt#E-mail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_tracking From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 17:10:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29131065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 209498FC1A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: (qmail 23595 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 17:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blizzard.dnsalias.org) (218.215.144.4) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 17:10:35 -0000 Received: by blizzard.dnsalias.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E3D3F1721C; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:10:36 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:10:36 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <20081214171036.GC6979@ozzmosis.com> References: <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <18754.42851.295211.155980@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812121028m4e368da4n69e06d592e312eb0@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121113o1590d54r9962ec3d22a20bdb@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310812121128y18db1c19n8aa45dcc75794739@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750812121149r6581ace1gec21e415afe3deca@mail.gmail.com> <20081212155145.1618810a@scorpio> <4944077F.9000701@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4944077F.9000701@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:10:40 -0000 On Sat 2008-12-13 19:05:35 UTC+0000, Matthew Seaman (m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) wrote: > Ports aren't actually frozen at the moment. Neither are they > completely open for any sort of updates. Instead they're in a 'slush' > -- no sweeping changes permitted, no major changes to the > infrastructure (ie. bsd.ports.mk, that sort of thing). How does one determine the state (frozen/slush/unfrozen/other?) of the Ports tree? Is the state kept in the tree itself? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 17:12:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95F01065673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laladelausanne@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722888FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laladelausanne@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so5383484bwz.19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:12:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date :x-mailer; bh=5A1rsSJVRX1/FK8fTeZ1gnhaf44/Hy6UKkuH2xOAI9I=; b=qwWoWy0SQgpGTv9XhHqWw0fUP1zwqJhPuJoEKs27G1odvHQDlvlqdfAkB1Q6BfDrw4 QRxae9+kXFoH3OoNFG6XQI8fe7ydRwveq1+VWzSK8ZcsvBeHTbkQiK4vsHYfDQCxdj9D xdtksoPMG7CQeMGErWE4ClBGHbYNyiqU14a8I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; b=uqEpw0SI61PticBJ/Ld602IcSuldg/wVSuDLdyoD6IOTWXGIW9Ml7n9/O+3vPfSBmj udaejMKUKUbdnh6qIPSU+ZOvyLnFOyFre43UxC8wCr7wgEYodhPSxxQBgLXbMwGQsQlJ Of5B/eJGQKFQw6d/4T8ZhCcxjiKFsOoBah+eE= Received: by 10.103.178.17 with SMTP id f17mr2622456mup.45.1229274764079; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.11? (dyn.144-85-142-100.dsl.vtx.ch [144.85.142.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e8sm7648165muf.30.2008.12.14.09.12.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:12:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1AB74D5E-1332-486D-B740-83A09D6858FD@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Nikola_Kne=C5=BEevi=C4=87?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:12:21 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Cluster-wide installation of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:12:46 -0000 Hi, I have a machine running FreeBSD 7.1, and now I would like to "replicate" it to other machines in our cluster. Other machines have smaller disks, and a different processor, but all are amd64. Is there a way to do this kind of installation (either by copying content, or installing and then copying /etc) in automated fashion? I can set up the netboot environment (since I'm using FAI to install linux on the same machines). Cheers, Nikola From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 17:17:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B18106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AC668FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: (qmail 23746 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 17:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blizzard.dnsalias.org) (218.215.144.4) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 17:17:15 -0000 Received: by blizzard.dnsalias.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7BF9C1721C; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:17:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:17:16 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081214171716.GD6979@ozzmosis.com> References: <587762.88974.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20081214164932.U49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081214164932.U49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:17:19 -0000 On Sun 2008-12-14 16:50:09 UTC+0100, Wojciech Puchar (wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) wrote: >> Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among >> freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? > NTG. I had to look up what NTG stood for. Not This Group? Is freebsd-questions a "group"? NEHTBAA (Not Everything Has To Be An Acronym). :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 17:46:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3AD1065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:46:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CF9F8FC17 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:46:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 4176 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Dec 2008 17:47:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:47:09 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081214174709.GB4152@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207191727.V1610@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081207193517.GA20905@laverenz.de> <20081207121431.5dcb37f9@gom.home> <1228733482.4495.14.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081211122714.W4172@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211071914.278ae942@scorpio> <20081211133632.114d77c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <1229002806.2749.51.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> <20081211155500.H1327@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229008984.2749.74.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:46:48 -0000 Julien Cigar(jcigar@ulb.ac.be)@2008.12.11 16:23:04 +0100: > "except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here, it's so > natural to just unplug an USB device That's not an excuse for the kernel panic. The real problem is the kernel code rot. They can't fix the problem because the code has grown too complex and unwiedly. They need to reengineer/rewrite some kernel systems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 18:14:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3B81065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:14:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B534B8FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:14:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd4ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.141]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2008 11:14:00 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=Ni4ZU0ssCCqqFoy92fAA:9 a=ncy7t0CbM66iGCigqrQA:7 a=TmhzT4dOFRaqjvyHGAa31gtchHEA:4 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd4ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2008 11:14:00 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398EE1701E for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:13:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:13:59 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081214101359.1249f45c@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081214115318.T48752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gmail.com> <4944E34E.1040904@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081214115318.T48752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:14:02 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really > "idiots") make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less > work. > exactly! proper advocacy on a 'free' (or otherwise) system doesn't mean accommodating ridiculous demands. there needs to be a certain level of sincerity on part of the customers. only the right customers are always right. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 18:41:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DF6106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (g1.stradamotorsports.com [64.81.163.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C7F8FC17 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.17] ([192.168.1.17]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEGtMwA015041 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <49453A7A.1030701@highperformance.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:55:22 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd general questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Subject: Disk Errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:41:20 -0000 I am working on installing 6.4-RELEASE on a Motorola CPN5360 which is an industrial CompactPCI computer. The system boots via PXE. That much is good. The host has two storage devices. This is a 16MB boot flash device that is soldered to the board. ad0: FAILURE - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE status=51 error=4< ABORTED> ad0: 15MB at ata0-master BIOSPIO This is a standard compact flash from Kingston. Many repetitive errors are snipped here. ad2: 1923MB at ata1-master UDMA33 ad2: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out LBA=3940269 ad2: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out LBA=3940209 ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (0 retries left) LBA=0 ad2: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out LBA=0 ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1 ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (0 retries left) LBA=1 The flash drive is detected with 3940272 sectors. Is there a way to control the LBA= parameter? Does it matter if I try? How can I control the number of retries? I read that FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS at least for CHS. Does FreeBSD use the BIOS for PIO and UDMA modes? Any thoughts on how to get these storage devices working? Thanks, Jason From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 19:00:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597E01065676 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAC88FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.4.1 anthesphoria.net mBEJ0IlZ024844 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1229281224; bh=Z6W7SbGYHj+bFf0Axu8oXDq8a3Nh988liC+fRiOvi Bw=; l=3256; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint:X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VVgY+qBq0xsMxfOCLP7lwu0L peAI714WQmD/7h8BIKRgBjl1tfjnmPjQZsfR6nOcLxbT6LiIQ3xUV48C1nsBM94jtFG kme+g/h7Bn3tQzTdHoi3frr6vZMLy3ojTae6/ktkXDesMJMrXZQK2NNmun1E6QKJIVT fBMZ1J/pTtYcg= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-200-199.eunet.yu [213.198.200.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBEJ0IlZ024844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:00:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:56:15 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: cuongvt Message-ID: <20081214195615.383462e3@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE/i386 X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver: x-hkp://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:00:26 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:20:23 -0800 (PST) cuongvt wrote: > Hi, > I know that IM support japanese text. > On Freebsd 7.0 with latest imagemagick built from port (6.4.7) and > msgothic.ttc copied from windows partition, > imagick extension of PHP installed by pecl. > in terminal (zsh) I type: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > convert origin.jpg -fill white -font > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/msgothic.ttc -pointsize 125 -stroke > blue -strokewidth 1 -draw "text 20,130 '=E3=81=8C=E3=81=8F=E3=81=9B=E3=81= =84'" straight.jpg > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > IM did not informed any error, but the result is japanese text broken > (question marks). Hello, It works for me with ImageMagick-6.4.5.5 and ImageMagick-6.4.7.5. First, please make sure that the cause of the problem is not something simple, i.e. make sure that a) you don't have a wrong /non-UTF-8/ locale (not very likely since you wouldn't get question marks); b) you compiled ImageMagick with IMAGEMAGICK_TTF and IMAGEMAGICK_FONTCONFIG. If these are the case, then it's almost certain that fontconfig is somehow confused with that Microsoft font. For example, see this thread on XeTeX mailing list about Microsoft YaHei font: http://www.tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2007-May/006539.html If you use -text directive without -font specified, ImageMagick will use the fonts from /usr/local/lib/ImageMagick-6.4.7/config/type-ghostscript.xml and this will produce question marks with Japanese UTF-8 string, which seems to be the case. So, if you don't want to use some free non-Microsoft font, you can try to do this: 1) Regenerate fontconfig cache ('fc-cache -f -v' as root). 2) Check if MS Gothic is visible to ImageMagick, i.e. try %convert -list font The output should contain Font: =EF=BC=AD=EF=BC=B3-=E3=82=B4=E3=82=B7=E3=83=83=E3=82=AF-=E6=A8= =99=E6=BA=96 family: =EF=BC=AD=EF=BC=B3 =E3=82=B4=E3=82=B7=E3=83=83=E3=82=AF style: Normal stretch: Normal weight: 400 glyphs: /path/to/msgothic.ttc in ja_JP.UTF-8, or Font: MS-Gothic-Regular family: MS Gothic in en_US.UTF-8 locale. 3) Then try %convert orig.jpg -font =EF=BC=AD=EF=BC=B3-=E3=82=B4=E3=82=B7=E3=83= =83=E3=82=AF-=E6=A8=99=E6=BA=96 -verbose -fill white \ -pointsize 125 -stroke blue -strokewidth 1 \ -draw "text 20,130 '=E3=81=8C=E3=81=8F=E3=81=9B=E3=81=84'" straigh= t.jpg if you use ja_JP.* locale (-font MS-Gothic-Regular if you use en_US.UTF-8 -- note that the command is locale-sensitive) and see if this makes any difference. Best regards. - --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 =3D =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0= =B5=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B fingerprint : FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iJwEAQEDAAYFAklFVtMACgkQ/MM/0rYIoZin4wP/Zhlf++1GS8jWitrcT0wq0Rkr cROjjb0DOusXnZnq9LdWac3kjOv5mAUENu7jVy+9rGqvmGhDFkgBi4/mBrcSePGv cTzSMqsWAeeF+JTizyqJCyRjaz2iOuEjQ1y6zvkOj5D9EE+udXmR6BE7u3HdgZKL mknYg8Y4ARyu1N+tiOw=3D =3DW84X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 19:12:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9584106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601B28FC17 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable andrew clarke wrote: > On Sat 2008-12-13 19:05:35 UTC+0000, Matthew Seaman (m.seaman@infracani= nophile.co.uk) wrote: >=20 >> Ports aren't actually frozen at the moment. Neither are they >> completely open for any sort of updates. Instead they're in a 'slush'= >> -- no sweeping changes permitted, no major changes to the >> infrastructure (ie. bsd.ports.mk, that sort of thing). >=20 > How does one determine the state (frozen/slush/unfrozen/other?) of the > Ports tree? >=20 > Is the state kept in the tree itself? No -- you follow the announcements from re@... and portmgr@... on the appropriate mailing lists, and you consult the web page at=20 http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig2AAEFF1B65E8B769755AF3C1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAklFWrAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzLSQCggB2j1r0k/4zcGM0+fg3QpSxt u/8An3RSwW1JRp5Q4OWW7T+GyBUakm7I =EmaK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2AAEFF1B65E8B769755AF3C1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 19:21:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5657C106567C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78118FC17 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.4.1 anthesphoria.net mBEJLXmX098595 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1229282500; bh=ObmXvYkkac0frD5VIVHRceppM53y9NTgbUoW2/o9Z uI=; l=1409; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint:X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hgKH1yPKbsZdbOalb2iSyBh0 Ia8aCp/kkHrUDszvvsH2+ZJ+jMOpxD0+Xi4LwPMiROOYeTeZbRnZOUkireQJ4pLwwqZ tkuM6jZi9z7oAui4qsa0OZIh+uuJp3bbJUt9zAKNcs98i7M54EZBPNukvlc+tuCa9A1 jF6UmlRXuWmLg= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-200-199.eunet.yu [213.198.200.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBEJLXmX098595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:21:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:17:27 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: Wojciech Puchar , cuongvt Message-ID: <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE/i386 X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver: x-hkp://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:18 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: =20 > NTG > please do ask on imagemagick support! Interestingly, he did (and, as it appears, before you replied): http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&t=3D12713 There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me _as a FreeBSD user_. You are of course not obliged to reply at all. The fact that people often get better replies about "application X running on FreeBSD" on FreeBSD list than on a native list/forum reveals something good about FreeBSD community IMHO. Best regards. - --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 =3D =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0= =B5=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B fingerprint : FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iJwEAQEDAAYFAklFW9AACgkQ/MM/0rYIoZhMNQQAn9qEQwOEw3aNwTG7quq+KbnX z7tp0dDevcooHbEkWTLqf24D8OiFrjl1dyC7zuE9Wwe3fAGKjVWbYBtshTW0Yusk CbARjQCq85JKAz0LUmTJChJWCmbwy0M4SSNYJ20F/aX2lbFcEUGKL3pZudMWu+tj npo9qKOF+jvjS0P3Vr0=3D =3D0IHu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 20:22:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48777106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richard.robert@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFC58FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richard.robert@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1165091fgb.35 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:22:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=m/nA5y1d25zKb+rGIfPV117huY+2ou++lGsPoVN8gMs=; b=h9Ccz0u/EFexakO6k19HI7oAr1bqwbpK7AIlNqf0OA/rEbASw4pg5Z+DQu0EzzcvEX XwgKWlh1HE3QJ+dUFBdtVsIINx1/A/ktoMefPwsmX4plUSX4wmQ6KkObI/lgzKuM+RuJ XqUATurf/bPuxawqbfaLBj2eJQaCWFfV3O43Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Xn6EXuaLJ+pZ7xbruEBn7tP0FuKXoFvy9RahXr2fTWK8LY5MX7+D49hDPKa9T0RKJT B5JBNkUjoLjjB5e3JGG0yo9HkKGsRPb+8OLqivNOpcj/dCS3gi1HIwwhMedBBMGgQz8H RspPFluiaY0dnwUOyGW/8q0AjK8c9SxnDy8gQ= Received: by 10.86.59.2 with SMTP id h2mr3376395fga.30.1229284846016; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.65.14 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:00:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <43c4e0a0812141200j52fd8951j68f4f804024bb785@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:00:45 -0500 From: "Robert Richards" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Quite Stumped here, need suggestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:22:49 -0000 Hi All: I am running: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #3: Sun Oct 5 15:31:05 EDT 2008 On a Sager 8800 Laptop. I have had FreeBSD installed for about a year, and all is working perfectly. I can bring up KDE, run many apps, all without a problem, except for ONE recent development. Every so often FreeBSD initiates a clean shutdown on it's own. Xwindows goes down cleanly, kernel modules are unloaded, processes are stopped, drives are cleanly dismounted, and the system is powered down. It's exactly what you would expect if you issued a shutdown -h now command. No core files are generated, and messages, even when the OS is brought up with verbose logging shows nothing. After trying many things, including running with a previous kernel, a GENERIC kernel, running in single-user mode, running minimalist, etc.... I decided to buildworld and buildkernel and essentially reinstall everything. While updating sources via cvsup, there was a shutdown. A subsequent attempt completed successfully. I then cleared out /usr/obj and did a make buildworld. After 39 minutes a shutdown. Repeated this, and a shutdown happened after 7 minutes. I repeated this in single user mode, with older kernels, with GENERIC kernel, same results, the system shuts down cleanly at some point. Never at the same point or doing the same task (Yes I used script as well; script simply exits as if make said all done! ). It's as if a ghost-root issued a shutdown -h command. One additional clue. If I bring the system up "without acpi" the shutdown is instant, and unclean. No scripts are run, drives are left dirty, but still no clue in the logs. I am now stumped! What could cause the system to shut down in this fashion? With acpi active, the init scripts are executed in shutdown mode. What could cause the kernel to believe it has received a command to shutdown like this? I am not new to this stuff, but I have never seen anything like this. I AM new to FreeBSD, I had been running Linux for years until recently, and absolutely love the order, consistency, layout, and clean architecture of this OS. But this is weird! Where to look? What to try? I am truly stumped here. Bob -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 20:36:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0442B1065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC8B8FC0C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so818857anc.13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:36:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=o7AdTB0KZA99+tOBvEmjUMNga7+K9iyomZ1AYyJla24=; b=tangA3RHlD/Qx3iGF7n1UEr1WJUOov05nmrpp+gYn7ZLr0wVNaCmAUE4lxOOEbbSGL Bs4wGAELKIZN5zggBN0CLzfCA7v7BnHhfT6MNAO6dn4ul8jbrmTgvHcN4ewzr9+ttqtB AcopDqbYF6MWqk87i83sxYbKHzhBgXwIhAlLc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=d9u6nDuKFsZr8bbVz8RiZMMcf9hIOvsEt9A4qpngmsyeg/43OISDlsfUqDeMm08W2s 02pTiGqHEe0g6+JyvCvvLov0NoIbmcJoUFFtTSsZo4Kc6n8VEK3YG8DJ8QGTxXCQlAaM wMYj6DAkm+pXvQVh+rSGGmcvQWhBecK/wdsbg= Received: by 10.231.16.129 with SMTP id o1mr70390iba.9.1229286981662; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.10.130 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:36:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3a142e750812141236x7308cc84u2ecc2aefc25fb7d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:36:21 +0100 From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: "Robert Richards" In-Reply-To: <43c4e0a0812141200j52fd8951j68f4f804024bb785@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <43c4e0a0812141200j52fd8951j68f4f804024bb785@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quite Stumped here, need suggestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:36:23 -0000 On 12/14/08, Robert Richards wrote: > Hi All: > > I am running: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #3: Sun Oct 5 15:31:05 EDT 2008 > On a Sager 8800 Laptop. I have had FreeBSD installed for about a year, > and all is working perfectly. I can bring up KDE, run many apps, all > without a problem, except for ONE recent development. Every so often > FreeBSD initiates a clean shutdown on it's own. Xwindows goes down > cleanly, kernel modules are unloaded, processes are stopped, drives > are cleanly dismounted, and the system is powered down. It's exactly > what you would expect if you issued a shutdown -h now command. No > core files are generated, and messages, even when the OS is brought up > with verbose logging shows nothing. > > After trying many things, including running with a previous kernel, a > GENERIC kernel, running in single-user mode, running minimalist, > etc.... I decided to buildworld and buildkernel and essentially > reinstall everything. > > While updating sources via cvsup, there was a shutdown. A subsequent > attempt completed successfully. I then cleared out /usr/obj and did a > make buildworld. After 39 minutes a shutdown. Repeated this, and a > shutdown happened after 7 minutes. I repeated this in single user > mode, with older kernels, with GENERIC kernel, same results, the > system shuts down cleanly at some point. Never at the same point or > doing the same task (Yes I used script as well; script simply exits > as if make said all done! ). It's as if a ghost-root issued a > shutdown -h command. > > One additional clue. If I bring the system up "without acpi" the > shutdown is instant, and unclean. No scripts are run, drives are left > dirty, but still no clue in the logs. > > I am now stumped! What could cause the system to shut down in this > fashion? With acpi active, the init scripts are executed in shutdown > mode. What could cause the kernel to believe it has received a command > to shutdown like this? > > I am not new to this stuff, but I have never seen anything like this. > I AM new to FreeBSD, I had been running Linux for years until > recently, and absolutely love the order, consistency, layout, and > clean architecture of this OS. But this is weird! > > Where to look? What to try? I am truly stumped here. Maybe it is "overheat" problem, look at temperature sensors. But something should be displayed in "dmesg" and "last" output. Read /var/log/dmesg.old -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 20:39:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2C81065675 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848828FC1F for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 9046E3874A; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:39:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1D13812D; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:39:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90-230-141-139-no41.tbcn.telia.com [90.230.141.139]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E875237E4A; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:39:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49456EF2.1050902@telia.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:39:14 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson <240olofsson@telia.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Richards References: <43c4e0a0812141200j52fd8951j68f4f804024bb785@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <43c4e0a0812141200j52fd8951j68f4f804024bb785@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quite Stumped here, need suggestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raggen@raggens.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:39:17 -0000 Robert Richards skrev: > Hi All: > > I am running: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #3: Sun Oct 5 15:31:05 EDT 2008 > On a Sager 8800 Laptop. I have had FreeBSD installed for about a year, > and all is working perfectly. I can bring up KDE, run many apps, all > without a problem, except for ONE recent development. Every so often > FreeBSD initiates a clean shutdown on it's own. Xwindows goes down > cleanly, kernel modules are unloaded, processes are stopped, drives > are cleanly dismounted, and the system is powered down. It's exactly > what you would expect if you issued a shutdown -h now command. No > core files are generated, and messages, even when the OS is brought up > with verbose logging shows nothing. > > After trying many things, including running with a previous kernel, a > GENERIC kernel, running in single-user mode, running minimalist, > etc.... I decided to buildworld and buildkernel and essentially > reinstall everything. > > While updating sources via cvsup, there was a shutdown. A subsequent > attempt completed successfully. I then cleared out /usr/obj and did a > make buildworld. After 39 minutes a shutdown. Repeated this, and a > shutdown happened after 7 minutes. I repeated this in single user > mode, with older kernels, with GENERIC kernel, same results, the > system shuts down cleanly at some point. Never at the same point or > doing the same task (Yes I used script as well; script simply exits > as if make said all done! ). It's as if a ghost-root issued a > shutdown -h command. > > One additional clue. If I bring the system up "without acpi" the > shutdown is instant, and unclean. No scripts are run, drives are left > dirty, but still no clue in the logs. > > I am now stumped! What could cause the system to shut down in this > fashion? With acpi active, the init scripts are executed in shutdown > mode. What could cause the kernel to believe it has received a command > to shutdown like this? > > I am not new to this stuff, but I have never seen anything like this. > I AM new to FreeBSD, I had been running Linux for years until > recently, and absolutely love the order, consistency, layout, and > clean architecture of this OS. But this is weird! > > Where to look? What to try? I am truly stumped here. > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 2008-12-14 12:28 > Hi Bob, Do the shutdowns appear after using the lap for some time? If that is the case then I'd guess it's a heat problem or a disk failing. Have you booted to single user and done fsck? /R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 21:28:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E416106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp4.clear.net.nz (smtp4.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354108FC0C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from zmori.markir.net (121-73-166-197.dsl.telstraclear.net [121.73.166.197]) by smtp4.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0KBV00FDRXL6WO10@smtp4.clear.net.nz> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:12:44 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:12:40 +1300 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <33958.1216244510@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Message-id: <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <20080716213115.C747F7BC45@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> <33958.1216244510@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081109) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:50:15 +0000 Cc: Miod Vallat , rms@gnu.org, misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, licensing@fsf.org, fedora-list@redhat.com, announce@fsfeurope.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, Morton Harrow , claire.newman@canonical.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPL version 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:11 -0000 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: > > >> I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the >> users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been >> fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of >> terms the GPLv3 provides. >> > > You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's world view, > it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom. > > I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. regards Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 22:03:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD3F106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from qazwart@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F5E8FC18 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from qazwart@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so3155411ewy.19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:03:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=2H5VMBrBQbrE6Lx7WeN4MCUDHEwDHk56lM3fcnSSBm4=; 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owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 22:13:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D5B1065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:13:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EF88FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:13:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEMD3pv050247; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:13:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEMD2fl050244; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:13:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:13:02 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robert Richards In-Reply-To: <43c4e0a0812141200j52fd8951j68f4f804024bb785@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081214231157.N50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <43c4e0a0812141200j52fd8951j68f4f804024bb785@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quite Stumped here, need suggestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:13:20 -0000 > Where to look? What to try? I am truly stumped here. at logs. it look like SOMETHING (or someone ;) initiates such shutdown. i don't remember case where FreeBSD would shutdown itself the way you said - cleanly, closing all programs etc - in case of panic/kernel error. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 22:14:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7548D1065673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B838FC1A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEMEDlD050258; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:14:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEMECoW050255; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:14:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:14:12 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: dick hoogendijk In-Reply-To: <20081214170115.6d87ce0e.dick@nagual.nl> Message-ID: <20081214231406.N50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <587762.88974.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20081214164932.U49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214170115.6d87ce0e.dick@nagual.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:14:23 -0000 > >>> Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among >>> freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? >> NTG. > > Found a new hobby? Cyber Police? even more NTG From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 22:16:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7DD1065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167978FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:16:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEMGoXO050276; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:16:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEMGmOv050273; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:16:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:16:48 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Jason C. Wells" In-Reply-To: <49453A7A.1030701@highperformance.net> Message-ID: <20081214231618.Q50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <49453A7A.1030701@highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd general questions Subject: Re: Disk Errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:16:59 -0000 > ad2: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out LBA=0 > ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1 > ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (0 retries left) LBA=1 > > The flash drive is detected with 3940272 sectors. Is there a way to control > the LBA= parameter? Does it matter if I try? no. > > How can I control the number of retries? > > I read that FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS at least for CHS. Does FreeBSD use > the BIOS for PIO and UDMA modes? no. try disabling dma with set hw.ata.ata_dma=0 bootloader command From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 22:20:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F121106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:20:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A0A8FC0C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBEMInWY050287; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:18:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBEMIlFq050284; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:18:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:18:47 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= In-Reply-To: <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> Message-ID: <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org, cuongvt Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:20:22 -0000 > There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to > Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such > things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me > _as a FreeBSD user_. You are of course not obliged to reply at all. > > The fact that people often get better replies about "application X > running on FreeBSD" on FreeBSD list than on a native list/forum reveals > something good about FreeBSD community IMHO. or very bad app X support. anyway - it's NTG! it's really HARD today to browse that list and see anything about FreeBSD. if it has to be "every app on the world support" - why it's not called everything-question@freeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 22:22:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FC91065679 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A459A8FC1D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203DA16C002D; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:22:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBEMMJNS008436; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:22:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:22:19 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Nikola =?UTF-8?Q?Kne=C5=BEevi=C4=87?= Message-Id: <20081214232219.80034db3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1AB74D5E-1332-486D-B740-83A09D6858FD@gmail.com> References: <1AB74D5E-1332-486D-B740-83A09D6858FD@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cluster-wide installation of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:22:24 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:12:21 +0100, Nikola Knežević wrote: > Hi, > > I have a machine running FreeBSD 7.1, and now I would like to > "replicate" it to other machines in our cluster. Other machines have > smaller disks, and a different processor, but all are amd64. > > Is there a way to do this kind of installation (either by copying > content, or installing and then copying /etc) in automated fashion? I > can set up the netboot environment (since I'm using FAI to install > linux on the same machines). Maybe some variation of the method for duplicating partitions' contents mentioned in the handbook can help here: You would need a script to create standard loader, slice and partitions according to your needs (to be calculated from the actual disk capacities) and then dump / restore from the "master system". I'm sure others will encourage you to follow a more professional approach. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 22:41:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140E51065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:41:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13E48FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r4w31a0060mv7h059AhUts; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:41:28 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rAhT1a0041f6R9u3XAhUhu; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:41:28 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:41:27 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:41:27 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20081214224127.GB85326@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.x/FreeBSD 7.0 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 Cc: Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:41:30 -0000 On Sun 14 Dec 2008 at 11:17:27 PST Nikola Le??i?? wrote: >There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to >Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such >things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me >_as a FreeBSD user_. You are of course not obliged to reply at all. > >The fact that people often get better replies about "application X >running on FreeBSD" on FreeBSD list than on a native list/forum reveals >something good about FreeBSD community IMHO. By posting here, the OP is more likely to get an answer from other users who are using app X on FreeBSD. Asking in the App X forum is likely to get an unhelpful answer from *their* local curmudgeons: "No one here uses FreeBSD, and it's not a priority for the App X developers. Go away." My point being, getting App X working on FreeBSD is often a higher priority for us than it is for them, and someone here might have already gone to the trouble of figuring it out. I see nothing wrong in asking whether that's the case. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 23:25:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2461065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39448FC23 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBENP2Y0049601; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:25:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 03561BA7A; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:25:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:25:01 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081214232501.GA2274@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20081214143905.GA9275@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214154452.O49468@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214150455.GA11318@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214163257.X49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DocE+STaALJfprDB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081214163257.X49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: send performance of rl(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:25:05 -0000 --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 04:34:17PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> it may be problem with autoconfiguration of speed and half/full duplex. > >> try setting it manually on one or both sides. > > > > Both were showing 100baseTX full-duplex on autoselect. Setting both > > manually with 'ifconfig [rl1|xl0] media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex' > > didn't improve things. >=20 > try half-duplex, then other cable, then other card. ----------- ----------- ---------- :-( :-( :-) Swapping the rl(4) card for a xl(4) card did the trick. I can now saturate the line in both directions. I think I'm going to scrap the other rl(4) card in my machine as well and replace it with an fxp(4) card. Thanks Wojciech! Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklFlc0ACgkQEnfvsMMhpyV4+wCeIPbSB+SjpX+aj46d1kBVY1ze DhEAoIE0PSQLUEO+8pIm/+qi+/ma0+tn =ox2Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DocE+STaALJfprDB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 23:42:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D4B106564A for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807698FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0403C98A; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:41:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBENfjlT009034; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:41:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:41:45 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Roland Smith Message-Id: <20081215004145.cbb2c71e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081214232501.GA2274@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20081214143905.GA9275@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214154452.O49468@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214150455.GA11318@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214163257.X49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214232501.GA2274@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: send performance of rl(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:42:12 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:25:01 +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > Swapping the rl(4) card for a xl(4) card did the trick. I can now > saturate the line in both directions. I think I'm going to scrap the > other rl(4) card in my machine as well and replace it with an fxp(4) card. Yeah... something I did some years ago - and I'm still happy with it. I found that - quite in general - the xl and fxp NICs do have better performance than the rl ones. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 23:42:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945631065695 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:42:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE198FC1C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:42:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBENgWPk050530; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:42:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBENgWRD050527; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:42:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:42:31 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roland Smith In-Reply-To: <20081214232501.GA2274@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20081215004206.M50522@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081214143905.GA9275@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214154452.O49468@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214150455.GA11318@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214163257.X49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214232501.GA2274@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: send performance of rl(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:42:37 -0000 > :-( :-( :-) > > Swapping the rl(4) card for a xl(4) card did the trick. I can now > saturate the line in both directions. I think I'm going to scrap the > other rl(4) card in my machine as well and replace it with an fxp(4) card. no. realtek cards are not bad by design. this particular was broken From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 23:45:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F071065679 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:45:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC308FC19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBENiR6u007517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:44:34 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBENiRxJ040155; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:44:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBENiPUZ040154; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:44:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:44:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:18:47 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-MailScanner-ID: mBENiR6u007517 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.294, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Nikola =?utf-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= , FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org, cuongvt Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:45:00 -0000 --=-=-= On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:18:47 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to >> Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such >> things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me >> _as a FreeBSD user_. You are of course not obliged to reply at all. >> >> The fact that people often get better replies about "application X >> running on FreeBSD" on FreeBSD list than on a native list/forum reveals >> something good about FreeBSD community IMHO. > > or very bad app X support. > > anyway - it's NTG! it's really HARD today to browse that list and see > anything about FreeBSD. > > if it has to be "every app on the world support" - why it's not called > > everything-question@freeBSD.org It *is* called what you don't want to believe its name is. The name is `freebsd-questions' not `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to convince you, but you are _harming_ the Project by posting this sort of thing to the list of `_general_ questions about FreeBSD'. Please, STOP doing that. We may have to block you from posting to the lists if this keeps going and increasing in intensity. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklFmlgACgkQ1g+UGjGGA7agjACfQkzUOl0sE0K56F/ItEsRuLQH 85cAnRIU0xwrzWrRizJGYR6wp+kME7L4 =gEKt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 23:49:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2441065670 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E8F8FC14 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C1F3CA22; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:49:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBENmvh3009071; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:48:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:48:56 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20081215004856.9d2f08ca.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081215004206.M50522@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081214143905.GA9275@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214154452.O49468@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214150455.GA11318@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214163257.X49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214232501.GA2274@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081215004206.M50522@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: send performance of rl(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:49:02 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:42:31 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > realtek cards are not bad by design. this particular was broken I always found Realtek cards okay because they would work everywhere, nearly every OS supported them. But especially the RTL8139, if I remember correctly, was so busy generating IRQs that it didn't find the time to have a good performance. :-) Maybe Realteks newer models perform better. I'm quite happy with 3Com's and Intel's NICs, I usually give away Realtek NICs along with computer systems I built for others. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 23:50:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D351065676 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:50:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63158FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so980194ywe.13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:50:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=E8yUPz8r4XtR3Ru+K/j2szPwJfE8/TDM8EqgY2crTkM=; b=VIDyHDhKLnl5e5amwjq9FWELVrrQz0sg2S9q/Auj9D4OgclKQdV0R3YI4zOAFFHglK 6xxCH6ftQCfZFjFceDP3o6Cm/epbRy5AtQOVU0bAiojWmuyE2eFLxj5Zn3tc/dXVXxiD IyxI8w3iwlAigRQOvaFoChJkUxvP/NOOfEAlU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=irjKGlynAM5XR0x+lYRpyvYQkReH3qBMByd8RfNTtWatwGMEwQoyV4fHJoO3u7Hn5/ GfmVGxMSzMQzPqqtRkgFWTywuZ9XJzZ+NO2dp8dn+aBiSiEbibLD1BEN9Y8pIGTjlALR xwpT16HfhLyaHJGAhqnRoLkQ+fZqUlL2qswy4= Received: by 10.150.192.4 with SMTP id p4mr9820961ybf.243.1229298607929; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm11615092ywn.46.2008.12.14.15.50.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:50:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49459BAD.3070109@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:50:05 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <20081211190951.GB845@comcast.net> <20081211113257.405a082c@gom.home> <20081211202023.GC845@comcast.net> <20081211134622.15c81ecd@gom.home> <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D456.3050207@gmail.com> <49437a6b.UDOGOuQZN1pqH+/y%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <49437a6b.UDOGOuQZN1pqH+/y%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:50:09 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >> after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this >> answer after looking .. >> "freebsd - the power to serve" >> > > Might one reasonably surmise that "the power to serve" implies > doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers, > FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database servers, ssh > servers, even - gasp - X11 servers? > sure. but X11's motto is not X11 - the power of freebsd amd64 with nvidia card From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 23:44:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EFE1065672 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:44:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E538FC12 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:44:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29E43CA0F; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:44:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBENiSoq009054; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:44:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:44:28 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20081215004428.a7ce85ac.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081214163223.S49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <127933703.20081214132247@yandex.ru> <20081214125835.J49080@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> <20081214163223.S49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:04:03 +0000 Cc: David Weintraub , KES , questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon , users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:44:32 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:32:42 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. > wrong. wheel group is needed to su to root,not from root Right. Wow... I'm so stupid... must already be epidemic dementia. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 01:22:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48B41065676 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6A28FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:22:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBF1Lmg0050745; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBF1Lls3050742; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:47 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20081215004856.9d2f08ca.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20081215021910.K50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081214143905.GA9275@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214154452.O49468@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214150455.GA11318@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081214163257.X49611@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214232501.GA2274@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081215004206.M50522@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215004856.9d2f08ca.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: send performance of rl(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:22:15 -0000 > > I always found Realtek cards okay because they would work > everywhere, nearly every OS supported them. But especially > the RTL8139, if I remember correctly, was so busy generating > IRQs that it didn't find the time to have a good performance. :-) but it works very well. in places when there is no high traffic constantly i happily use them. > Maybe Realteks newer models perform better. at least my gigabit realtek integrated with motherboard was buggy, disabling hardware checksumming fixed it PARTIALLY. but still it do locks up every month or so of heavy traffic. > I'm quite happy with 3Com's and Intel's NICs, I usually give > away Realtek NICs along with computer systems I built for > others. esp. with windows there is not much difference. other os overhead is larger than interrupt overhead. anyway - it's primitive hardware, but WORKING :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 01:25:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FFC106564A; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090048FC1F; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:25:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBF1PCbW050756; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:25:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBF1PAEG050753; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:25:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:25:10 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Nikola =?utf-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= , FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org, cuongvt Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:25:23 -0000 > > The name is `freebsd-questions' not `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. > > Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to > convince you, but you are _harming_ the Project by posting this sort of it's only Your opinion. My opinion is different. This list gets totally polluted by OT traffic that DO HARM the Project, because it's more and more difficult to get help, and give help to people that posts ON-TOPIC. It's complete mess! So i WILL respond "NTG" or "OT" to questions that are NTG/OT. EOT from me about this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 01:36:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F481065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:36:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94188FC1C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:36:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so5784329bwz.19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:36:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=TCtoPAYadOokN/8x4/YLu84FwTVhP1DtKJu8Fq24wUg=; b=rZN/EfQ+HcBhjMf+9jpi40ygP8pePYGorn1fxvT3dXqXlilnnWccgMym8ZnSm0lR5E OYePuRyou0HOw7l4p7DWQoIoGJt2MPLQIWFyGlnjcUn+BbVpekjP16qDHLnBdZRtb0ov fPrGpOlhz8WfQysceVw0DFqoGo0v/5h/pFzbY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XxLe2+11QBZfQywOlbU5fpJC4JuZPFwS8LdBUHUdkjO/jR3XYlhSTTT1sCbETK7xPU YWfgHK1QBPImRcxaeoc9DAF3clpCuX3IQeQ+mTLadZGpXfhmgKqfbggwFdGsEQRXN83m F6tm/JuPHdDDCBhlr3DEdvk0pFrxPfBw1f84k= Received: by 10.102.234.20 with SMTP id g20mr2752901muh.116.1229305012680; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:36:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:36:52 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:36:54 -0000 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> The name is `freebsd-questions' not >> `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. >> >> Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to >> convince you, but you are _harming_ the Project by posting this sort of > > it's only Your opinion. My opinion is different. This list gets totally > polluted by OT traffic that DO HARM the Project, because it's more and more > difficult to get help, and give help to people that posts ON-TOPIC. > It's complete mess! > > So i WILL respond "NTG" or "OT" to questions that are NTG/OT. I really wish I had your free time. I am happy, however, that you were promoted to questions@ police. > > EOT from me about this. How about making it EOT from you about everything that is not contributional? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 01:51:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9189106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF638FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LC2cF-0001AF-Qh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:51:23 -0800 Message-ID: <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:51:23 -0800 (PST) From: vuthecuong To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: vuthecuong@luvina.net References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:51:24 -0000 Glen Barber-2 wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: >>> >>> The name is `freebsd-questions' not >>> `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. >>> >>> Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to >>> convince you, but you are _harming_ the Project by posting this sort of >> >> it's only Your opinion. My opinion is different. This list gets totally >> polluted by OT traffic that DO HARM the Project, because it's more and >> more >> difficult to get help, and give help to people that posts ON-TOPIC. >> It's complete mess! >> >> So i WILL respond "NTG" or "OT" to questions that are NTG/OT. > > I really wish I had your free time. I am happy, however, that you > were promoted to questions@ police. > >> >> EOT from me about this. > > How about making it EOT from you about everything that is not > contributional? > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > > -- > Glen Barber > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hi all Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to freebsd. I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not occurr again. This is my fault. But I admit that freebsd-questions mailing list is really really very active mailing list which is have not only guru in OS itself but many many professionials of apps/servers running on top of it. (In fact I also posted this to imagemagick-nabble and imagemagick forum also, the result is I always get most useful/friendly/step-by-step answers from freebsd-questions that I can not reveive from the others). Once again, sorry you. Best regards, ==================================================== PS: But one thing I still could not understand is that in the past, the others and I posted many many questions about Gnome, KDE, xfce, fluxbox, php, java, squid, clamav, tripwire, anything but no any complaints, right? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/imagemagick-convert%3A-japanese-text-broken-in-freebsd-tp20997257p21007145.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 01:31:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A521065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:31:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp5.clear.net.nz (smtp5.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BFD8FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:31:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from zmori.markir.net (121-73-166-197.dsl.telstraclear.net [121.73.166.197]) by smtp5.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0KBW006549KODR10@smtp5.clear.net.nz> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:31:38 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:31:33 +1300 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <20081215002758.GB12056@peereboom.us> To: Marco Peereboom Message-id: <4945B375.5040608@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <20080716213115.C747F7BC45@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> <33958.1216244510@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> <20081215002758.GB12056@peereboom.us> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081109) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:51:55 +0000 Cc: Miod Vallat , rms@gnu.org, "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" , misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, licensing@fsf.org, fedora-list@redhat.com, announce@fsfeurope.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, Morton Harrow , claire.newman@canonical.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPL version 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:31:41 -0000 Marco Peereboom wrote: > All this GPL blah blah is a huge waste of time. It comes down to this; > nearly everyone on this list thinks that the GPL is criminally stupid so > stop trying to convince people here that it does not suck dog ass. > > Lets not have this retarded debate again, *we* know *you* are wrong, end > of story. > LOL - sorry Marco, I was replying for the benefit of folks on the Ubuntu list ... I didn't notice the huge collection of *other* lists in the cc (I'm guessing you are *not* on the Ubuntu list). Of course, you are free to dislike the GPL in all its forms... regards Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 01:58:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3141065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:58:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A857E8FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:58:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so5801286bwz.19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:58:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sXOTpgXpujFzwL6Z8M4sE3745xhT1eUHRmI0rjInPSs=; b=PHn78/xyFnvqpTyHHPw3HnqBvL30c9SIVu9G6Zv4uAdU3ZE2KCbU80GmR/bHyi19Zm 4dnuq0jwQR68OEHsU3mz3Zv6CbFielfByEfx4LG0yVgQ7Vd5RFGcbvJgLbbgUKq/DXFa RzSDf2YhxwdTPF8PHwAJDXMgsLFucqS0UNJBM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Ecu184l3XYhyRJWgac53L/8id6GyZbtBSluarxscLGJmGz00GNX+DT4LOK999KPEDe yVfutHeX7XHSoBHgr7dtUhTlwz9sHA7ybBYjlGU2MO5MQbnnPpCEu7wmSoUdu124XIBf zIm12/LDpQplVtUFCVYduYn1CA5VbKdjxkH8g= Received: by 10.103.192.2 with SMTP id u2mr2772746mup.95.1229306316553; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:58:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812141758n357e7636gc49bc285adfd4399@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:58:36 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: vuthecuong In-Reply-To: <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:58:38 -0000 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM, vuthecuong wrote: > > Hi all > Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to > freebsd. > I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not occurr again. > This is my fault. No, it is not. Questions@ is a general list for general FreeBSD questions. Getting something FreeBSD related to work, regardless of base-vs-ports, is FreeBSD related. -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 02:02:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00801065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0CE8FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:02:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so5804311bwz.19 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:02:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8r1PgUzeVf0y4brBBj/E26MyrdiYRdBnc8FaqmdFBPo=; b=AysoZUL5Wph1WofkHNRF231n+dMrMkDRS805A5ByG5SbtuvXGdKL3DuhqK9RFnwCKg sBu83brs/rXiAqd7vOiVtt6Bcy8L7pZQ5LuhD/ASDVNXvfow6x1ANcq2Mqohsp9hncIb 5NSOOz4+5H+faFycnQxKsK/lMHiBWDuJGqAzw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=sDD4XonSAkJDfmK9pBN7gvdX8JZNTTt8jC7lYmD8mEmQzDdQHdbh0W+km2kbANXg6l 1fRVGZ3fpY7z6D6CqWzFrFZvoJuh3eqMwWHBRxrluaZxS4CgOXPSfmjeI7YCW/wJNGmc MILbTJr08A0ipvujtApQUx9hnwmr5jokBgces= Received: by 10.181.58.9 with SMTP id l9mr2338081bkk.46.1229306569665; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.209.3 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:02:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910812141802i1bcb0644w54df7478f1539e1b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:02:49 -0500 From: "matt donovan" To: "Glen Barber" In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812141758n357e7636gc49bc285adfd4399@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> <4ad871310812141758n357e7636gc49bc285adfd4399@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: vuthecuong , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:02:51 -0000 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM, vuthecuong wrote: > > > > Hi all > > Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to > > freebsd. > > I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not occurr again. > > This is my fault. > > No, it is not. Questions@ is a general list for general FreeBSD > questions. > > Getting something FreeBSD related to work, regardless of > base-vs-ports, is FreeBSD related. > > -- > Glen Barber > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > a Glen stated anything dealing with FreeBSD base-vs-ports is FreeBSD related. Many of us I know are starting to get tired of the "police". And it seems like he won't be bothering us with posts for a while since he told a FreeBSDd person "off" on this thread. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 02:21:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC201065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4129C8FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.23.8.177] (nat-service4.juniper.net [66.129.225.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBF2LRfJ036902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:21:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:21:22 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: control character file names X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:28 -0000 Hi there, there is a blank directory that I cant seem to view. I believe the directory is a '^M'. can somebody please explain how I can see filenames and directories containing control characters. Also how do I rename the directory with 'mv'? Cheers, Noah From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 02:21:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2001065694 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-127.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-127.bluehost.com [67.222.38.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA5C78FC23 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 9791 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 02:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 02:21:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=cn5ASGm7wBicl18U5XD3U1ti1buzdR4dFU9CFeMJC1OcWZVgf5XZqlugvclShgYkgKCAaRsg4FyKKLvGcONjoSCxO0F4zDbtjAzOfk+PvZPSOgs9D5Fc1RGw9fZpHzSt; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC35o-0003mH-V9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:57 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:31 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:31 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215022131.GB5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> <1229218767.18610.39.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mojUlQ0s9EVzWg2t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229218767.18610.39.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:57 -0000 --mojUlQ0s9EVzWg2t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >=20 > Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than > grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and > experience in how *nix in general works on something a little easier > (for MIB lovers: noisy cricket), then move up to the big guns. Why not send them to something like DesktopBSD or PC-BSD, or even FreeSBIE (if that project is still around)? If they go to some chintzy user-obsequious Linux distribution like PCLinuxOS first, they'll just have more stuff to unlearn *if* it ever occurs to them to give some BSD Unix variant a try -- and if they haven't been poisoned against BSD Unix systems by GNU/FSF propaganda in the meantime. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Edward Murphy, Jr. (Murphy's Law): "If there's more than one way to do a job and one of those ways will end in disaster, then someone will do it that way." --mojUlQ0s9EVzWg2t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklFvysACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUq5wCg9xxoY05b7SNyvlOl281d5M4c HbMAn2HiDWJi+22lpp28xOTLaukVOG71 =2zpC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mojUlQ0s9EVzWg2t-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 02:23:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6694C1065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AC98FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:23:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBF2NZup030069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:23:40 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBF2NZYI042345; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:23:35 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBF2NYKP042344; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:23:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: vuthecuong References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:23:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> (vuthecuong@luvina.net's message of "Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:51:23 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87d4fu18ih.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBF2NZup030069 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.861, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:23:45 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:51:23 -0800 (PST), vuthecuong wrote: > Hi all > Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to > freebsd. I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not > occurr again. This is my fault. > > But I admit that freebsd-questions mailing list is really really very > active mailing list which is have not only guru in OS itself but many > many professionials of apps/servers running on top of it. (In fact I > also posted this to imagemagick-nabble and imagemagick forum also, the > result is I always get most useful/friendly/step-by-step answers from > freebsd-questions that I can not reveive from the others). Some of us disagree with the 'off topic police'. If you have questions about programs that _run_ on FreeBSD, please keep asking here. Nothing has changed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 02:29:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AB8106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACF28FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBF2Snif030207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:28:54 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBF2SneX042396; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:28:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBF2SmqS042395; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:28:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Noah References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:28:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> (Noah's message of "Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:21:22 -0800") Message-ID: <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBF2Snif030207 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.861, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: control character file names X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:29:09 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:21:22 -0800, Noah wrote: > Hi there, > > there is a blank directory that I cant seem to view. I believe the > directory is a '^M'. can somebody please explain how I can see > filenames and directories containing control characters. Also how do > I rename the directory with 'mv'? There are quite a couple of options: * Use the -B option of the `ls' utility. This should print the non-printable characters using octal numbers, i.e.: $ touch 'foo^Mbar' $ /bin/ls -lB foo* -rw-rw-r-- 1 keramida users 0 Dec 15 04:27 foo\015bar $ * Use a file manager. I often use `dired-mode' inside an Emacs session to move around, copy, re-organize, rename or delete files. Any file manager that can display several character sets at once will do fine :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 02:03:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFDB1065732 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djm@mindrot.org) Received: from natsu.mindrot.org (natsu.mindrot.org [116.66.166.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8528FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:03:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djm@mindrot.org) Received: by natsu.mindrot.org (Postfix, from userid 506) id 87048C4AB0; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:37 +1100 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on natsu.mindrot.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from fuyu.mindrot.org (fuyu.mindrot.org [203.217.30.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fuyu.mindrot.org", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by natsu.mindrot.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1724BC4A91; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:30 +1100 (EST) Received: by fuyu.mindrot.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 65F2BA4F81; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:29 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuyu.mindrot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639E6A4F23; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:29 +1100 (EST) From: Damien Miller To: Mark Kirkwood In-Reply-To: <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: References: <20080716213115.C747F7BC45@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> <33958.1216244510@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSO 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:46:37 +0000 Cc: Miod Vallat , rms@gnu.org, "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, licensing@fsf.org, fedora-list@redhat.com, announce@fsfeurope.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, Morton Harrow , claire.newman@canonical.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPL version 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:03:06 -0000 moving misc@openbsd.org to Bcc Please do not post discussions of GPL politics to OpenBSD mailing lists. You know we have different views, so cross-posting is pure trolling. -d On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: > > > > > > > I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the > > > users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been > > > fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of > > > terms the GPLv3 provides. > > > > > > > You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's world > > view, > > it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom. > > > > > > I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be freely > available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. > > regards > > Mark > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 02:15:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C8C1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from goodb0fh@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CC48FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from goodb0fh@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f9so633790rvb.6 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:15:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=aIjr8tpcgKVvydEyZ8gDY7hj1Y0lFdv0KtU14Sd3f1E=; b=BYO36/6rDI0rz/6n0nzyUltSKgs15+MJMQjyAumElXOJYCCq9YtQRRkgwjYxxD0bHH LuiOWSVY71KLBdjalnuhvD5/Ab/SHUMbWJwV6MAqPuRLnUmDBncmUqlXHOoSo/8Bs/rw TJb5J1ZJSSH6XLh1/xOXFH0zJt1IfLBnQNbKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=KKfRR8yLaXpzLnLQegeUEBU95HIMjwRhe7MPlqABrnC21EWsjTIjy7U7kZK5hDGH6A zgwpiwtRHPDtai3Olx8B7Nc0sQmVBaAG8Mgio/0SwAju6tjuhDQMkBt+COc6S9mRTuqM 3Y+mxx0tZrl2qvbXK7rEqaKqtzXgPHFvCMSuA= Received: by 10.141.43.5 with SMTP id v5mr3393182rvj.246.1229305472003; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.85.2 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:44:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6ead893e0812141744k3f5af4cdh8c27ad7adafe3a9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:44:31 -0500 From: bofh To: "Mark Kirkwood" In-Reply-To: <4945B375.5040608@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080716213115.C747F7BC45@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> <33958.1216244510@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> <20081215002758.GB12056@peereboom.us> <4945B375.5040608@paradise.net.nz> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:46:55 +0000 Cc: Miod Vallat , rms@gnu.org, licensing@fsf.org, "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" , misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Marco Peereboom , fedora-list@redhat.com, announce@fsfeurope.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, Morton Harrow , claire.newman@canonical.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPL version 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:15:02 -0000 Please. The GPL v4 mail was started by a troll. I am surprised that anyone from the linux camp was taken in and keeps feeding the troll. There's no GPL v4 (yet) and anyone who thinks there is, is a moron. Now, can we leave a dead thread dead? Zombies should be exterminated on sight. Brainz...... -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk "This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity." -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0&feature=related From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 03:21:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C0C106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:21:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9C08FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E917C684D0121; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kemwxVRnireA; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id C303E684D0120; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:33 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215032133.GB4812@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 OpenPKG/% (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: control character file names X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:21:37 -0000 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008, Noah wrote: > Hi there, > > there is a blank directory that I cant seem to view. I believe the > directory is a '^M'. can somebody please explain how I can see > filenames and directories containing control characters. Also how do I > rename the directory with 'mv'? There are various ways to handle this. # this will show the file with special characters escaped ls | cat -v # this will put the output of ls into a file that can then be # edited with vim so one could insert ``mv '' before the funny # file name, and `` newname'' after it. ls > tmpfile As others have mentioned, using a graphical file manager can make it easy as well. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. -- Buckminster Fuller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 03:31:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6ECC1065680 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D068FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2008 22:31:01 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PHZ36425; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2008 22:31:00 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18757.53108.118667.585355@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:31:00 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <87d4fu18ih.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> <87d4fu18ih.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:31:01 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas writes: > Some of us disagree with the 'off topic police'. If you have > questions about programs that _run_ on FreeBSD, please keep > asking here. Nothing has changed. Umm ... while one can ask those questions here (questions@) and hore to get answered, I believe the sanctioned forum is ports@. It's rather lower traffic, which is not a bad thing. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 03:40:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92FD1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:40:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D07C8FC14 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:40:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so1336463mue.3 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:40:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fQhR5wHp7V6yJ5uB57Oms3ziyediOrWvTGOKPQhJ1c4=; b=WH5V3/CDsLZWCC9PFrdlV++/xX9MVtNtEhrnQGC/gt4zHEyE/NicRmpUCgsjTCKD+Z c95gNKlB0dW1plREtsia3mM8pGGpSRrwCGnFDnHV24qDWnYmpliEYcL66QXmx91N8Mvr YO3snUuEQNtfcXq9yJhyiEfkuPLK3t/US+W58= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lXaxsKBqphXyKq7LFnhKoiC3GNvaAckmHkTlEkJSN/Rwrll9Pkdtc7kwy7x2E5Uoh0 0RAvTnsrLYi6vVqBxUFGsQTAPlDye+DXcjpIpjnEGcRjAPvDBg2g9jpZhIPIFHtIcIcz BLmXA7YRIYLF9l6GxmyutXqCjeguhvHM4PjEw= Received: by 10.103.245.18 with SMTP id x18mr2802370mur.62.1229312414012; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:40:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812141940j2a8477fai3101c9bd9f33591d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:40:13 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Robert Huff" In-Reply-To: <18757.53108.118667.585355@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> <87d4fu18ih.fsf@kobe.laptop> <18757.53108.118667.585355@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:40:15 -0000 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas writes: > >> Some of us disagree with the 'off topic police'. If you have >> questions about programs that _run_ on FreeBSD, please keep >> asking here. Nothing has changed. > > Umm ... while one can ask those questions here (questions@) and > hore to get answered, I believe the sanctioned forum is ports@. > It's rather lower traffic, which is not a bad thing. > I agree that they probably *should* be asked on ports@, but because it is lower traffic, there is a lesser chance of getting a solution to a problem. I didn't see any clear definition on the lists.freebsd.org site stating questions@ was "base only". -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 03:45:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B461065677 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2AF8FC20 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2008 22:45:25 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PHZ38302; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2008 22:45:25 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18757.53972.437289.439136@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:45:24 -0500 To: "Glen Barber" In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812141940j2a8477fai3101c9bd9f33591d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20997257.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081214100115.U48394@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> <87d4fu18ih.fsf@kobe.laptop> <18757.53108.118667.585355@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812141940j2a8477fai3101c9bd9f33591d@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Robert Huff , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:45:25 -0000 Glen Barber writes: > > Umm ... while one can ask those questions here (questions@) and > > hore to get answered, I believe the sanctioned forum is ports@. > > It's rather lower traffic, which is not a bad thing. > > I agree that they probably *should* be asked on ports@, but > because it is lower traffic, there is a lesser chance of getting > a solution to a problem. Not necessarily. I've heard of knowledgable poeple who are on ports@ but not questions@. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 03:52:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2DD1065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:52:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C19E8FC14 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:52:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.23.8.177] (nat-service4.juniper.net [66.129.225.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBF3q6JK039759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:52:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <4945D461.7070406@enabled.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:52:01 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: control character file names X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:52:10 -0000 > > * Use a file manager. > > I often use `dired-mode' inside an Emacs session to move around, > copy, re-organize, rename or delete files. Any file manager that > can display several character sets at once will do fine :) Hey there Giorgos, I'd love to use emacs but I go into 'dired-mode' and I try to rename the '^M' directory and receive an error from emacs. The error claims "file-error Renaming no such file or directory /mnt/mybook-music/^M /mnt/mybook-music/Music2 What do I do? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:05:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6051065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-119.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-119.bluehost.com [69.89.22.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C94418FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:05:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 9593 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:05:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=HaBcdIjt8gYVO0huaKlnL2uva+qaqet30Wfyh4fN7nchn9z8oVcz9YB/3t9WttYfDc6nQUl1OyKTIEL1rMjs12MgYHkFqmmkDOswK1Y8uIBydOD+Q3GzozqHGuy4rSWO; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC6Zy-0006vt-QF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:05:19 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:04:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:04:52 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215060452.GD5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213205638.D44481@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+KJYzRxRHjYqLGl5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213205638.D44481@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:05:19 -0000 --+KJYzRxRHjYqLGl5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>bad (TM). > > > >No -- at *any* level: >=20 > you are wrong. >=20 > for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees=20 > ktalk about your company. That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Thomas McCauley: "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out." --+KJYzRxRHjYqLGl5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF84QACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVb1gCg0D9MM1W/C0/oX/vgLlrlhLzh kdIAn0SF5g0jzSbZp1KZyzSRdStHMc3+ =hB0K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+KJYzRxRHjYqLGl5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:12:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589861065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-308.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-308.bluehost.com [67.222.53.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25BEF8FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 29952 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:10:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=hd4POTmNYxkHrEQFfFBlkBgerIhjo182hY8x4xr78Y8TETAGzsr3DGruxmx/xJI3RL9/SazjmonPUqPONWq3+m9Vq52366XyLMcgrAsmqaMcWNXlbhNNcukJQYyFyO3w; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC6hK-0008Vf-AV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:12:54 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:12:28 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:12:28 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tVmo9FyGdCe4F4YN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:12:54 -0000 --tVmo9FyGdCe4F4YN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:26:21PM -0800, prad wrote: > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > I'll > > provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe > > you'll be able to understand my point ...=20 > > > good illustrative examples, chad! >=20 > i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for instance, > people who talk about foreign currency values on a freebsd list should > be watched very closely. I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure, and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's job". >=20 > woj made a good point in another post i think in that he's happy > helping beginners who really do wish to learn. i know i've come across > some who think the world owes them everything and make ridiculous > demands on a list (not to mention ot posts - and they aren't even > trying to sell you anything!). >=20 > however, in general i like giorgos' comment the best that he was helped > a decade ago and he's returning that favor. so in that respect, i agree > with your 'false positives' concern - innocent till proven guilty! Thank you. >=20 > anyone know if there are moderators for this list? >=20 > i know there are some very nice people who keep watch. once i messaged > the test list with a ports question (i was having trouble emailing this > one - so i was testing to see if there was some problem in general), > and a very considerate person from freebsd.org, Remko Lodder, emailed > me asking if i knew that i was emailing the test list. i found it=20 > really decent that people look out for others here! Me too -- and I'm glad you weren't told to go away and email a different list because ports questions are "off topic" for the test list. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Martin Luther: "Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?" --tVmo9FyGdCe4F4YN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF9UwACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU6XwCgzQgVD94P8LmhTRmSDAsipLgq xtUAoO/encVC77r5A8VqQhC3/9iB2L3f =Ozq5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tVmo9FyGdCe4F4YN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:15:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4956D106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:15:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-308.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-308.bluehost.com [67.222.53.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 113B78FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:15:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 1634 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:13:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=PS1j3bsb3G9oNAtyfUQ3ztoe7PtwfFiQTjZGY6xSiwZDC3ijE5U0ZTYDzMeybqUlYpmqH+Do2hSGa7PHbypyTsN/YqeJOcSjn83avragzLlXKrYp3fvVHuhx8c/4WJc0; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC6k7-0000l9-8C for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:15:47 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:15:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:15:21 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215061521.GF5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wtjvnLv0o8UUzur2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:15:47 -0000 --wtjvnLv0o8UUzur2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:38:29PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > without moderation it's a mess. I've seen more mess in response to your entirely unwelcoming manner than ever in response to anything you call "off topic" in some of your examples. >=20 > It's nice people like to help other people, but it's bad it helps them on= =20 > that lists with OFF-TOPIC problems. That might be a valid concern if your notion of "off topic" didn't include things that pretty much everyone else seems to think is on topic enough to fit into this list. >=20 > i don't mean moderation like removing one opinions and not others. But=20 > removing off-topic messages, that are 95% now or more. 1. When moderation is increased, so too are false positives -- like removing statements of opinion that shouldn't be removed. 2. Your idea of "off topic" seems to include stuff relevant to FreeBSD. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Bjarne Stroustrup: "An ugly operation should have an ugly syntactic form." --wtjvnLv0o8UUzur2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF9fkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUHkACgw+DTIeajP2lLVAMfVdlH/ZZ2 zQcAn1vNOXmyGD6Om6HxSj4NKUrFwikz =feu8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wtjvnLv0o8UUzur2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:17:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57978106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-30.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-30.bluehost.com [69.89.17.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FA918FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 15628 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:17:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=eacNIOhCNTdtgcVe9K2BhT5fCX8NOc8abqCzkdLSOPDxWMaXuZFJSN/vbqrDLM7SuoJl6xdXkfueFeW6EmGil3YKx8MxVCBd/oexlA2T3dsV4g/4XKjeHWkT6M0Hh0Qo; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC6lo-00017n-Aa for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:17:32 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:17:06 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:17:06 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215061706.GG5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213133151.5d833c1c@gom.home> <20081213224710.Q44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="w2JjAQZceEVGylhD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213224710.Q44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:17:32 -0000 --w2JjAQZceEVGylhD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:49:58PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > > >you're reply to another post: > >>If you wish you can call me "fuhrer" ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly > >>got too far. > >> > >:D > >good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm. >=20 > i think it's a problem of fear about past consorship in many countries.= =20 > But this is completely different things. > Moderation is not censorship like that, as EVERYONE can create it's own= =20 > mailing lists :) >=20 > >moderation would definitely not be a bad thing in some situations! >=20 > and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that moderator's= =20 > job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. NOTHING else. As long as neither you, nor anyone that thinks like you, is in charge of moderation, it might not be a *complete* disaster. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Peter Norvig: "Use the most natural notation available to solve the problem, and then worry about writing an interpreter for that notation." --w2JjAQZceEVGylhD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF9mIACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXa0ACgn8meT0PIjO2E9XeWQFXrVfsw gU0AoJI2ln2R0vPVw8x/cirE0J2P+TlZ =c0m8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --w2JjAQZceEVGylhD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:24:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E399C1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:24:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-308.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-308.bluehost.com [67.222.53.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD0B98FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:24:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 13992 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:22:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=k7mRzyGHIESZmP+7Lq2rgKvgH3xpXnWyha7EaZd58QLU8B/OAFDkmRXtX5VrwppyCcuzvUHCa9XU1mSY2lKM4rQ/jxMhASoUKGHvl0p+CAWuo6ob1xrtXtfSr1xhzIa1; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC6sp-0002gS-WE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:24:48 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:24:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:24:21 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215062421.GH5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="y0Ed1hDcWxc3B7cn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:24:48 -0000 --y0Ed1hDcWxc3B7cn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:04:18PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this >=20 > i don't discourage beginners that want to learn. >=20 > Most of them don't. Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says "I'm a Windows user, but I'm thinking about trying out FreeBSD," you immediately assume the person doesn't want to learn without bothering to read any further, I don't think you actually have any way of knowing whether anyone wants to learn most of the time. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Colin McFadyen: "Unix is not an 'a-ha' experience, it is more of a 'holy-shit' experience." --y0Ed1hDcWxc3B7cn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF+BUACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVvrQCgwyu4+RFjO/3/WWbtKWU7epLN GiEAoKYeJySeNZgkzsSasuptpHrR3AWm =H4bM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y0Ed1hDcWxc3B7cn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:26:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCF5106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-157.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-157.bluehost.com [67.222.39.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 565398FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 15931 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:25:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ZrtuKFeNK+PPq9UqJaLisGoq73kBuUO33p/rE/n8Ccb20lwL6wRMcRMVjJQSHiArEYkhsaGRsvwdUwWkdZ2Ddmt/K2n4L0FqwXbX0B0SYr7XY5zwIHicOku7MU9aM2Gf; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC6uL-0002zu-Im for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:26:21 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:25:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:25:55 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215062555.GI5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dMdWWqg3F2Dv/qfw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:26:21 -0000 --dMdWWqg3F2Dv/qfw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:03:29AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers > >were stupid. Maybe they were... >=20 > the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. >=20 > or is not? Perhaps you are not familiar with the term "analogy". RTFD(ictionary). --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] John W. Russell: "People point. Sometimes that's just easier. They also use words. Sometimes that's just easier. For the same reasons that pointing has not made words obsolete, there will always be command lines." --dMdWWqg3F2Dv/qfw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF+HMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKW5ZwCffOIlkJHUE5caEkLmW65e8sqz QH8AnR6xL8vkXCT246BRct5XtrzqFv/i =0HcB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dMdWWqg3F2Dv/qfw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:35:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A721065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-30.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-30.bluehost.com [69.89.17.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D7F28FC2B for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 17112 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:35:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=P7DtLKsBgmoiC5zC4GJdmevqcXanYg5Cy7bSEKTBVZECJ6w0BEvLksfFEwtN9Rw2vKPaeXX0EUrPKUTB3pTbvzN9QTELcwIsZj5LqpkZLvdKDGMd1mDOOuQfmiDbJGBJ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC732-0004oT-Da for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:35:20 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:34:54 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:34:54 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215063454.GJ5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> <71959979-E03D-454E-A637-29E46BC2D2E4@rgbaz.eu> <20081214164650.I49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3CAnR4CLEnEWqRMR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081214164650.I49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:35:20 -0000 --3CAnR4CLEnEWqRMR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 04:49:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>>Off topic=3Dnot about FreeBSD OS. > >> > >>I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants > >>it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. > > > >exactly... > >when is something part of FBSD and when not? >=20 > what is "base system" ~> whatis 'base system' base system: nothing appropriate Maybe what we need isn't for you to keep complaining about 70% of the very helpful list traffic, thus producing another 5% of the list traffic yourself (directly, and indirectly through annoyed responses to you), but for someone to come up with a base-system@freebsd.org list where you can hang out and be happy. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Power corrupts. The command line corrupts absolutely. --3CAnR4CLEnEWqRMR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF+o4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWs8wCgmIl0DSX5iq3CVBLomqAE833h 9TUAn3KEAgstldt81DpSAcJsaLOydLGa =nwCR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3CAnR4CLEnEWqRMR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:41:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F9F1065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-120.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-120.bluehost.com [69.89.18.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D6EA8FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 26012 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:41:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=fT6ustFyXN9wvEljBFtxTHDd6HmbbE1/03TOOgyX3b7rCkLbPtwW0htyybcbQJ0lKQilF7eeeYQab3hfaedk8fkySGyNGYq+zv/Ouwy+tNXD8Oe2N9jYkoOcCLtW7IJl; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC78Y-000616-9w for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:41:03 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:40:36 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:40:36 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215064036.GK5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213094403.GH39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213163709.GA17550@comcast.net> <20081213200931.GD51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213214016.X44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n83H03bbH672hrlY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081213214016.X44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:41:03 -0000 --n83H03bbH672hrlY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:42:32PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >probably that they would create "competitors" somehow, magically, without > >providing any information that directly encourages competition for their > >hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support > >or simply charge people extra for drivers, *then* I could see this being > >a problem, but I haven't seen a whole lot of that kind of rent-seeking > >behavior from graphics adapter vendors. >=20 > i don't see any problem. There is a product - for example Nvidia=20 > powersuckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hfull 3D accellerators. Their can this, that,=20 > blah, blah and blah, they don't have FreeBSD support. >=20 > There are other products, they can this that blah blah and have FreeBSD= =20 > support. >=20 > You need blah blah and blah under FreeBSD, you don't buy nvidia. >=20 > end of topic. I've responded to this attitude of yours in another subthread. I don't remember exactly where, but I mentioned terms like "laptop" and "package deal" (or something to that effect) a bit. Please address that before you go bandying this weak "argument" around any more. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth William Gibson: "The future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed." --n83H03bbH672hrlY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF++QACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWMGwCdH9rCXfQtBGAqBl939yWrwhX2 6sUAn27jB1ao4BWKBTEOXw1Vh2ErpKrA =O5rf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n83H03bbH672hrlY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:47:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB591065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:47:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-157.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-157.bluehost.com [67.222.39.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A574A8FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:47:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 13955 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:47:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=C1X7YrYmDNyxfTcTEIlsnMNN2S0WYaCYKhYGtJxL3nNNjdHTckxQDupGflmnNo5ASHbZUp/K8TJjTVkdr9pu/omz3Q3vY5ZsRT/XEmYnqEOsATTEJ65K2X3EWKYLJxIv; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC7F3-0007WM-KV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:47:45 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:47:19 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:47:19 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215064719.GL5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z9sQuz+HmDh2hVO4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:47:46 -0000 --z9sQuz+HmDh2hVO4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:31:17PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >=20 > What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the > same... check if_iwi and its "firmware". No other wifi device (that I'm > aware of- at least they'd be in the minority anyway) works this way. The > excuse is fcc regs- I doubt that... Atheros drivers used closed firmware until very recently. Some of them still do. >=20 > And before anyone defends intel: I've spent a lot of time wasted on > making their stupid nics to work in windows, I usually just flick em and > put in a rl nic. The cpus are shit as well- I've had no end of trouble > with them, plus too hot, power hungry etc. Alas, finding a decent > notebook with an alternative has been to no avail... Actually, Pentium M processors may well be the best x86-compatible CPUs of their generation -- low power consumption relative to the competition, and the best performance per dollar in their class. Pentium 4, though, certainly sucks. The first generation of Celeron processors were kick-ass x86-compatible CPUs for their time, too -- actually better than Intel intended them to be. Weird how that happens. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth William Gibson: "The future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed." --z9sQuz+HmDh2hVO4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF/XcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXyEQCeLsJxzy18dRfmMNXrMuLcJjFr /m4Anjt76A0NfhlqNhMR5AEKeg9WJf/W =OfOF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --z9sQuz+HmDh2hVO4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:53:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530E11065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-120.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-120.bluehost.com [69.89.18.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ADF68FC20 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 12963 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:53:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=kI33SMBZTRLZ8VKe4uOhrNUGgXSpzpHO2ILhALGNLcG+eOvfW/86lTArE/lbZ/JStketucRVdRERqyBDZb5fbuomClDW+EtQ9ybJVlsCoNk0u8yYSWJMGHQeBRZFZ2Oj; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC7L1-0000Od-3o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:53:55 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:53:27 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:53:27 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Cqq5NadOW2RfLMJ/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:53:56 -0000 --Cqq5NadOW2RfLMJ/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > >=20 > > I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable, > > and to develop them we'd need the hardware specs so we'd have a target > > toward which to develop drivers. Of course, "preferable" is my choice = of > > term -- he seems to be more of the opinion that anything that isn't > > strictly open source should just be shunned, out of hand. While it wou= ld > > be nice if that was a practical option, it isn't really, at this point. > >=20 >=20 > Perhaps he'd be more at home in the Fedora community which are adamant > about that too... :P Perhaps so. OpenBSD is pretty adamant about that, too -- more so than Fedora, I think. In fact, the OpenBSD project seems to be the most adamant open source OS project, about keeping everything open (except the format of the installer, for some inconsistent as hell damned reason), that I've seen. > >=20 > > Actually, patents are publicly documented by definition -- we're just n= ot > > *allowed* to use it, once it has been patented, without permission. The > > sort of thing they don't want to divulge is trade secrets, which you > > meantioned -- not patents, which you also mentioned. For some reason, > > though, some hardware vendors seem inclined to use patents as an excuse > > for keeping secrets, which never made much sense to me. > >=20 > > IANAL, though I read about the law from time to time. >=20 > Ok, so moving forward on this point: How exactly does this help in > developing drivers for FreeBSD? Patents are ideas- right? So wouldn't > this mean that it would still require "guessing" and estimation of what > should happen and how to do it? The problem with open source driver development is lack of documented implementation details and the illegality of reproducing anything covered by patent -- not lack of patent documentation. >=20 > You also mention that they're publicly accessible- how? Whats the portal > and how would you search for required device? I don't do patent searches regularly, but I'd probably start with the US Patent Office site. Okay, I did a Google search for USPTO (United States Patent and Trademark Office), clicked the first link, clicked through a menu item, and found this page: http://patft.uspto.gov/ Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted above, is verboten. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Martin Luther: "Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?" --Cqq5NadOW2RfLMJ/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF/ucACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWb4gCdFcO8XtV2XoMAq4omEa6pQQcW lqIAn2NUITn80eSc19414ECJCKOlvg3Y =EtRY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Cqq5NadOW2RfLMJ/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 07:04:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D6D1065676 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A558FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:04:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBF743pR058219; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable prad wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 >> in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really >> "idiots") make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less >> work. >> > exactly! > proper advocacy on a 'free' (or otherwise) system doesn't mean > accommodating ridiculous demands. there needs to be a certain level of = > sincerity on part of the customers. >=20 > only the right customers are always right. >=20 Heh. "The customer is /always/ right, even when they're wrong." The difference is that you give the idiot customers exactly what they ask for, and the good customers what they actually need.... 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i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:04:27 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:12:28 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure, > and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's > job". > i don't think that has to happen at all. personally i think self-moderation is best, followed by moderation (which i haven't found to be a bad thing). here the former seems to be dominant because of the quality of people on the list, so it is quite sufficient. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 07:09:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093571065673 for ; 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i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:09:01 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:03:55 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > Heh. "The customer is /always/ right, even when they're wrong." The > difference is that you give the idiot customers exactly what they ask > for, and the good customers what they actually need.... > now that is a business model!! if i ever go into business again, i'll have to remember your wise words :D -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 07:11:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D45106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0FC8FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.198] (unknown [192.168.0.198]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D2154F3 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:11:47 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:11:00 +1000 Message-Id: <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:11:08 -0000 On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 23:53 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > > I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable, > > > and to develop them we'd need the hardware specs so we'd have a target > > > toward which to develop drivers. Of course, "preferable" is my choice of > > > term -- he seems to be more of the opinion that anything that isn't > > > strictly open source should just be shunned, out of hand. While it would > > > be nice if that was a practical option, it isn't really, at this point. > > > > > > > Perhaps he'd be more at home in the Fedora community which are adamant > > about that too... :P > > Perhaps so. > > OpenBSD is pretty adamant about that, too -- more so than Fedora, I > think. In fact, the OpenBSD project seems to be the most adamant open > source OS project, about keeping everything open (except the format of > the installer, for some inconsistent as hell damned reason), that I've > seen. > > > > > > > > Actually, patents are publicly documented by definition -- we're just not > > > *allowed* to use it, once it has been patented, without permission. The > > > sort of thing they don't want to divulge is trade secrets, which you > > > meantioned -- not patents, which you also mentioned. For some reason, > > > though, some hardware vendors seem inclined to use patents as an excuse > > > for keeping secrets, which never made much sense to me. > > > > > > IANAL, though I read about the law from time to time. > > > > Ok, so moving forward on this point: How exactly does this help in > > developing drivers for FreeBSD? Patents are ideas- right? So wouldn't > > this mean that it would still require "guessing" and estimation of what > > should happen and how to do it? > > The problem with open source driver development is lack of documented > implementation details and the illegality of reproducing anything covered > by patent -- not lack of patent documentation. > > > > > > You also mention that they're publicly accessible- how? Whats the portal > > and how would you search for required device? > > I don't do patent searches regularly, but I'd probably start with the US > Patent Office site. > > Okay, I did a Google search for USPTO (United States Patent and Trademark > Office), clicked the first link, clicked through a menu item, and found > this page: > > http://patft.uspto.gov/ > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted above, is > verboten. > But if I remember my legal and ethics course correctly if you can arrive at a conclusion through your own research then your reasonably clear. For example, the drivers are closed source but the hardware itself is an entirely separate issue. So if you can create your own drivers by your own research into how the hardware is setup then the drivers created could licensed under your own terms- open source or otherwise. The drivers and hardware may operate together but are separate items of creativity, therefore do not operate under the same patent. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 07:17:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21631065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889958FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rKHC1a0040ldTLk55KHgVm; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:17:40 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rKHf1a0021f6R9u3QKHfmj; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:17:40 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:17:38 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:17:38 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215071738.GA1440@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> <87d4fu18ih.fsf@kobe.laptop> <18757.53108.118667.585355@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812141940j2a8477fai3101c9bd9f33591d@mail.gmail.com> <18757.53972.437289.439136@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18757.53972.437289.439136@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4.x/FreeBSD 7.0 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:17:41 -0000 On Sun 14 Dec 2008 at 19:45:24 PST Robert Huff wrote: > >Glen Barber writes: > >>>Umm ... while one can ask those questions here (questions@) and hore >>>to get answered, I believe the sanctioned forum is ports@. It's >>>rather lower traffic, which is not a bad thing. >> >>I agree that they probably *should* be asked on ports@, but >>because it is lower traffic, there is a lesser chance of getting >>a solution to a problem. > >Not necessarily. I've heard of knowledgable poeple who are on ports@ >but not questions@. The conversations on ports@ seem to be mostly concerned with the needs of port maintainers rather than the users of ports. If you have problems getting a port to build or a package added, it feels like the right place to get help. But I'm not sure whether it's the place for questions that come up after the initial install. questions@ seems to be the place for those. I haven't been on either list very long, however, and I could have been misled by a small sample size. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 07:30:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1401106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-129.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-129.bluehost.com [67.222.38.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B00D98FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 19828 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 07:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 07:30:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=XtEcqEu/hKQ5pz+MXfBiYqClZrbqqUsI0oRrvcih9hBr5UjnqHJjX3fUIrryey9Pt6XsZEuYRnOdBd1Kp8E/mEvJRVNmj/kSOXCrI2XdmVqrYYxhIe9DorFzI6vVUJbW; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC7u2-00008l-H7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:30:07 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:29:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:29:39 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215072939.GP5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20080716213115.C747F7BC45@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> <33958.1216244510@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hHiQ9nAwW5IGN2dL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: GPL version 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:30:08 -0000 --hHiQ9nAwW5IGN2dL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:12:40AM +1300, Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > >On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: > > > > =20 > >>I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the > >>users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been > >>fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of > >>terms the GPLv3 provides. > >> =20 > > > >You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's worl= d=20 > >view, > >it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom. > > > > =20 >=20 > I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be=20 > freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. If so, it's a failure. I think I still have a stack of Ubuntu CDs that I cannot legally distribute because I don't have the source, and I don't know exactly where to find it, either. My "freedom" to use Kororaa Linux with all its multimedia support was severely curtailed by GNU/FSF legal threats -- and, while I don't actually care to use Kororaa personally, that doesn't change the fact that my freedom to make that decision for myself has been somewhat damaged. The problem is that Stallman and friends have very strange notions about what constitutes "freedom" -- strange, but all too common. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] print substr('Just another Perl hacker', 0, -2); --hHiQ9nAwW5IGN2dL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGB2MACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXWSgCg8LZ4wwvJMs7hMf3rtA3UVr0a +2oAnRlBd+P/ZtGLj47haeOtwxMU2abl =MBy0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hHiQ9nAwW5IGN2dL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 09:12:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C850106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-31.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-31.bluehost.com [69.89.18.151]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 587B68FC1C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 12918 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 09:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 09:12:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=H6Glcd4eg5JYLsC3BXX7ZSZAs2eyKHMRCj/bXjNFLLgvATC80Fp3iq/bjjfDBtdIIAHTEEvdEjNSe7Y9yZ+QnWMc2yY2DDYUoO1VlV5HWJ69/ck8lviQj45qxG67mV7+; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC9Ur-0006lj-0x for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:12:13 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:11:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:11:46 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215091146.GB57351@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:12:13 -0000 --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 05:11:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >=20 > But if I remember my legal and ethics course correctly if you can arrive > at a conclusion through your own research then your reasonably clear. > For example, the drivers are closed source but the hardware itself is an > entirely separate issue. So if you can create your own drivers by your > own research into how the hardware is setup then the drivers created > could licensed under your own terms- open source or otherwise. >=20 > The drivers and hardware may operate together but are separate items of > creativity, therefore do not operate under the same patent. Be very careful. Even in the US, where there's a presumption of innocence built into criminal law, the presumption of innocence doesn't apply in civil court. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Principle of Exclusion: The strength of any system is inversely proportional to the restrictions on the power of tools allowed to the general public by that system. --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGH1IACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVXKQCgmgpc+kBMRfsLdaBxOhzj4oXx q1MAoMr2qTr/CSxrJZdnZYLcoIutuFD6 =JIug -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 09:12:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D2C1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glothlorien@mail.ru) Received: from mx44.mail.ru (mx44.mail.ru [195.239.211.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFCF8FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glothlorien@mail.ru) Received: from f70.mail.ru (f70.mail.ru [194.67.57.221]) by mx44.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id D2B6B38007E84 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:31:19 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mail by f70.mail.ru with local id 1LC7vA-000Pde-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:31:16 +0300 Received: from [84.16.148.140] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:31:16 +0300 From: Gennady Kudryashoff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [84.16.148.140] Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:31:16 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: OK Subject: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 rl0 watchdog timeout with custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gennady Kudryashoff List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:12:53 -0000 Hello, all! I have Asus X51RL laptop with FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 installed. There were no troubles with GENERIC kernel, but when I've compiled custom kernel, rl ethernet driver tells to the console a lot of errors: rl0: link state changed to UP rl0: watchdog timeout rl0: watchdog timeout Any mistake? >uname -a: FreeBSD asusbook.local 7.1-RC1 FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 #0: Mon Dec 15 08:40:11 MSK 2008 root@asusbook.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >pciconf -lv: rl0@pci0:8:7:0: class=0x020000 card=0x10451043 chip=0x813910ec rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor' device = 'RT8139 (A/B/C/810x/813x/C+) Fast Ethernet Adapter' class = network subclass = ethernet >dmesg from custom kernel (ASUSBOOK): Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 #2: Sun Dec 14 20:13:33 MSK 2008 root@asusbook.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ASUSBOOK Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 550 @ 2.00GHz (1995.14-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x10661 Stepping = 1 Features=0xafebfbff Features2=0xe31d AMD Features=0x20000000 AMD Features2=0x1 real memory = 2012905472 (1919 MB) avail memory = 1964134400 (1873 MB) kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.10.5.6 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, AR5416, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413, RF2133, RF2425, RF2417) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, 77f00000 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 acpi_ec0: port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0 acpi_asus0: Unsupported Asus laptop: X51RL pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci_link3: BIOS IRQ 10 for 0.19.INTD is invalid pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: port 0x7800-0x78ff mem 0x90000000-0x9fffffff,0xf88f0000-0xf88fffff irq 5 at device 5.0 on pci1 pcib2: at device 4.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 ath0: mem 0xf89f0000-0xf89fffff irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci2 ath0: [ITHREAD] ath0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface ath0: Ethernet address: 00:15:af:9e:d1:34 ath0: mac 14.2 phy 7.0 radio 10.2 pcib3: at device 5.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 pcib4: at device 6.0 on pci0 pci6: on pcib4 pcib5: at device 7.0 on pci0 pci7: on pcib5 atapci0: port 0xe800-0xe807,0xe400-0xe403,0xe000-0xe007,0xdc00-0xdc03,0xd800-0xd80f mem 0xfebffc00-0xfebfffff irq 3 at device 18.0 on pci0 atapci0: [ITHREAD] atapci0: AHCI Version 01.10 controller with 4 ports detected ata2: on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: on atapci0 ata3: [ITHREAD] ata4: on atapci0 ata4: [ITHREAD] ata5: on atapci0 ata5: [ITHREAD] ohci0: mem 0xfebfe000-0xfebfefff irq 11 at device 19.0 on pci0 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: on usb0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ohci1: mem 0xfebfd000-0xfebfdfff irq 5 at device 19.1 on pci0 ohci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci1: [ITHREAD] usb1: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb1: on ohci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: on usb1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ohci2: mem 0xfebfc000-0xfebfcfff irq 4 at device 19.2 on pci0 ohci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci2: [ITHREAD] usb2: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb2: on ohci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: on usb2 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ohci3: mem 0xfebfb000-0xfebfbfff irq 5 at device 19.3 on pci0 ohci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci3: [ITHREAD] usb3: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb3: on ohci3 usb3: USB revision 1.0 uhub3: on usb3 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ohci4: mem 0xfebfa000-0xfebfafff irq 4 at device 19.4 on pci0 ohci4: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci4: [ITHREAD] usb4: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb4: on ohci4 usb4: USB revision 1.0 uhub4: on usb4 uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xfebff800-0xfebff8ff irq 9 at device 19.5 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ehci0: [ITHREAD] usb5: EHCI version 1.0 usb5: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3 usb4 usb5: on ehci0 usb5: USB revision 2.0 uhub5: on usb5 uhub5: 10 ports with 10 removable, self powered pci0: at device 20.0 (no driver attached) atapci1: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xff00-0xff0f at device 20.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci1 ata0: [ITHREAD] pcm0: mem 0xfebf4000-0xfebf7fff irq 11 at device 20.2 on pci0 pcm0: [ITHREAD] isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib6: at device 20.4 on pci0 pci8: on pcib6 cbb0: irq 5 at device 1.0 on pci8 cardbus0: on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 cbb0: [ITHREAD] pci8: at device 1.1 (no driver attached) pci8: at device 1.2 (no driver attached) rl0: port 0xb800-0xb8ff mem 0xfeaff400-0xfeaff4ff irq 5 at device 7.0 on pci8 miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: PHY 0 on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: Ethernet address: 00:1f:c6:f1:38:ff rl0: [ITHREAD] acpi_lid0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_button1: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 battery0: on acpi0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: [ITHREAD] psm0: model Synaptics Touchpad, device ID 3 cpu0: on acpi0 p4tcc0: on cpu0 acpi_asus0: Unsupported Asus laptop: X51RL pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xccfff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 ppc0: parallel port not found. sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 8250 or not responding sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1995141435 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec acd0: DVDR at ata0-slave UDMA33 ad4: 152627MB at ata2-master SATA150 pcm0: pcm0: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad4s2a rl0: link state changed to UP rl0: watchdog timeout rl0: watchdog timeout rl0: watchdog timeout rl0: watchdog timeout rl0: watchdog timeout rl0: watchdog timeout > dmesg from GENERIC kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 #0: Mon Dec 15 08:40:11 MSK 2008 root@asusbook.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 550 @ 2.00GHz (1995.14-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x10661 Stepping = 1 Features=0xafebfbff Features2=0xe31d AMD Features=0x20000000 AMD Features2=0x1 real memory = 2012905472 (1919 MB) avail memory = 1959628800 (1868 MB) ACPI APIC Table: ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.10.5.6 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, AR5416, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413, RF2133, RF2425, RF2417) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, 77f00000 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 acpi_ec0: port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0 acpi_asus0: Unsupported Asus laptop: X51RL pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: port 0x7800-0x78ff mem 0x90000000-0x9fffffff,0xf88f0000-0xf88fffff irq 17 at device 5.0 on pci1 pcib2: at device 4.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 ath0: mem 0xf89f0000-0xf89fffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci2 ath0: [ITHREAD] ath0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface ath0: Ethernet address: 00:15:af:9e:d1:34 ath0: mac 14.2 phy 7.0 radio 10.2 pcib3: at device 5.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 pcib4: at device 6.0 on pci0 pci6: on pcib4 pcib5: at device 7.0 on pci0 pci7: on pcib5 atapci0: port 0xe800-0xe807,0xe400-0xe403,0xe000-0xe007,0xdc00-0xdc03,0xd800-0xd80f mem 0xfebffc00-0xfebfffff irq 22 at device 18.0 on pci0 atapci0: [ITHREAD] atapci0: AHCI Version 01.10 controller with 4 ports detected ata2: on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: on atapci0 ata3: [ITHREAD] ata4: on atapci0 ata4: [ITHREAD] ata5: on atapci0 ata5: [ITHREAD] ohci0: mem 0xfebfe000-0xfebfefff irq 16 at device 19.0 on pci0 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: on usb0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ohci1: mem 0xfebfd000-0xfebfdfff irq 17 at device 19.1 on pci0 ohci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci1: [ITHREAD] usb1: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb1: SMM does not respond, resetting usb1: on ohci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: on usb1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ohci2: mem 0xfebfc000-0xfebfcfff irq 18 at device 19.2 on pci0 ohci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci2: [ITHREAD] usb2: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb2: SMM does not respond, resetting usb2: on ohci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: on usb2 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ohci3: mem 0xfebfb000-0xfebfbfff irq 17 at device 19.3 on pci0 ohci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci3: [ITHREAD] usb3: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb3: SMM does not respond, resetting usb3: on ohci3 usb3: USB revision 1.0 uhub3: on usb3 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ohci4: mem 0xfebfa000-0xfebfafff irq 18 at device 19.4 on pci0 ohci4: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci4: [ITHREAD] usb4: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb4: SMM does not respond, resetting usb4: on ohci4 usb4: USB revision 1.0 uhub4: on usb4 uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xfebff800-0xfebff8ff irq 19 at device 19.5 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ehci0: [ITHREAD] usb5: EHCI version 1.0 usb5: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3 usb4 usb5: on ehci0 usb5: USB revision 2.0 uhub5: on usb5 uhub5: 10 ports with 10 removable, self powered pci0: at device 20.0 (no driver attached) atapci1: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xff00-0xff0f at device 20.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci1 ata0: [ITHREAD] pcm0: mem 0xfebf4000-0xfebf7fff irq 16 at device 20.2 on pci0 pcm0: [ITHREAD] isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib6: at device 20.4 on pci0 pci8: on pcib6 cbb0: irq 21 at device 1.0 on pci8 cardbus0: on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 cbb0: [ITHREAD] pci8: at device 1.1 (no driver attached) pci8: at device 1.2 (no driver attached) rl0: port 0xb800-0xb8ff mem 0xfeaff400-0xfeaff4ff irq 20 at device 7.0 on pci8 miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: PHY 0 on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: Ethernet address: 00:1f:c6:f1:38:ff rl0: [ITHREAD] acpi_lid0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_button1: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 battery0: on acpi0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: [ITHREAD] psm0: model Synaptics Touchpad, device ID 3 cpu0: on acpi0 p4tcc0: on cpu0 acpi_asus0: Unsupported Asus laptop: X51RL pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xccfff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 ppc0: parallel port not found. sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 8250 or not responding sio0: [FILTER] sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 ums0: on uhub2 ums0: 3 buttons and Z dir. Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1995140715 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec acd0: DVDR at ata0-slave UDMA33 ad4: 152627MB at ata2-master SATA150 pcm0: pcm0: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad4s2a rl0: link state changed to UP custom kernel (ASUSBOOK) config: # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.474.2.15.2.1 2008/11/25 02:59:29 kensmith Exp $ cpu I486_CPU cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident ASUSBOOK # To statically compile in device wiring instead of /boot/device.hints #hints "GENERIC.hints" # Default places to look for devices. makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options SCHED_ULE # ULE scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking #options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options SCTP # Stream Control Transmission Protocol options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories options UFS_GJOURNAL # Enable gjournal-based UFS journaling options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device options NFSCLIENT # Network Filesystem Client options NFSSERVER # Network Filesystem Server options NFSLOCKD # Network Lock Manager options NFS_ROOT # NFS usable as /, requires NFSCLIENT options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework options GEOM_PART_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization options COMPAT_43TTY # BSD 4.3 TTY compat [KEEP THIS!] options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 # Compatible with FreeBSD6 options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support options STACK # stack(9) support options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options ADAPTIVE_GIANT # Giant mutex is adaptive. options STOP_NMI # Stop CPUS using NMI instead of IPI options AUDIT # Security event auditing #options KDTRACE_HOOKS # Kernel DTrace hooks # To make an SMP kernel, the next two lines are needed #options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel #device apic # I/O APIC # CPU frequency control device cpufreq # Bus support. device eisa device pci # Floppy drives #device fdc # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device ataraid # ATA RAID drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI Controllers #device ahb # EISA AHA1742 family #device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices #options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~128k to driver. #device ahd # AHA39320/29320 and onboard AIC79xx devices #options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~215k to driver. #device amd # AMD 53C974 (Tekram DC-390(T)) #device hptiop # Highpoint RocketRaid 3xxx series #device isp # Qlogic family #device ispfw # Firmware for QLogic HBAs- normally a module #device mpt # LSI-Logic MPT-Fusion #device ncr # NCR/Symbios Logic #device sym # NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets + those of `ncr') #device trm # Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315U adapters #device adv # Advansys SCSI adapters #device adw # Advansys wide SCSI adapters #device aha # Adaptec 154x SCSI adapters #device aic # Adaptec 15[012]x SCSI adapters, AIC-6[23]60. #device bt # Buslogic/Mylex MultiMaster SCSI adapters #device ncv # NCR 53C500 #device nsp # Workbit Ninja SCSI-3 #device stg # TMC 18C30/18C50 # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) # RAID controllers interfaced to the SCSI subsystem #device amr # AMI MegaRAID #device arcmsr # Areca SATA II RAID #device asr # DPT SmartRAID V, VI and Adaptec SCSI RAID #device ciss # Compaq Smart RAID 5* #device dpt # DPT Smartcache III, IV - See NOTES for options #device hptmv # Highpoint RocketRAID 182x #device hptrr # Highpoint RocketRAID 17xx, 22xx, 23xx, 25xx #device iir # Intel Integrated RAID #device ips # IBM (Adaptec) ServeRAID #device mly # Mylex AcceleRAID/eXtremeRAID #device twa # 3ware 9000 series PATA/SATA RAID # RAID controllers #device aac # Adaptec FSA RAID #device aacp # SCSI passthrough for aac (requires CAM) #device ida # Compaq Smart RAID #device mfi # LSI MegaRAID SAS #device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family #device pst # Promise Supertrak SX6000 #device twe # 3ware ATA RAID # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard device psm # PS/2 mouse device kbdmux # keyboard multiplexer device vga # VGA video card driver device splash # Splash screen and screen saver support # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc device agp # support several AGP chipsets # Power management support (see NOTES for more options) #device apm # Add suspend/resume support for the i8254. device pmtimer # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support # PCMCIA and cardbus bridge support device cbb # cardbus (yenta) bridge device pccard # PC Card (16-bit) bus device cardbus # CardBus (32-bit) bus # Serial (COM) ports device sio # 8250, 16[45]50 based serial ports device uart # Generic UART driver # Parallel port device ppc device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device plip # TCP/IP over parallel device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # If you've got a "dumb" serial or parallel PCI card that is # supported by the puc(4) glue driver, uncomment the following # line to enable it (connects to sio, uart and/or ppc drivers): #device puc # PCI Ethernet NICs. #device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') #device em # Intel PRO/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Family #device igb # Intel PRO/1000 PCIE Server Gigabit Family #device ixgb # Intel PRO/10GbE Ethernet Card #device le # AMD Am7900 LANCE and Am79C9xx PCnet #device txp # 3Com 3cR990 (``Typhoon'') #device vx # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'') # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! device miibus # MII bus support #device age # Attansic/Atheros L1 Gigabit Ethernet #device ale # Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Ethernet #device bce # Broadcom BCM5706/BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet #device bfe # Broadcom BCM440x 10/100 Ethernet #device bge # Broadcom BCM570xx Gigabit Ethernet #device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes #device et # Agere ET1310 10/100/Gigabit Ethernet #device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) #device jme # JMicron JMC250 Gigabit/JMC260 Fast Ethernet #device lge # Level 1 LXT1001 gigabit Ethernet #device msk # Marvell/SysKonnect Yukon II Gigabit Ethernet #device nfe # nVidia nForce MCP on-board Ethernet #device nge # NatSemi DP83820 gigabit Ethernet #device nve # nVidia nForce MCP on-board Ethernet Networking #device pcn # AMD Am79C97x PCI 10/100 (precedence over 'le') #device re # RealTek 8139C+/8169/8169S/8110S device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 #device sf # Adaptec AIC-6915 (``Starfire'') #device sis # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016 #device sk # SysKonnect SK-984x & SK-982x gigabit Ethernet #device ste # Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550TX) #device stge # Sundance/Tamarack TC9021 gigabit Ethernet #device ti # Alteon Networks Tigon I/II gigabit Ethernet #device tl # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN #device tx # SMC EtherPower II (83c170 ``EPIC'') #device vge # VIA VT612x gigabit Ethernet #device vr # VIA Rhine, Rhine II #device wb # Winbond W89C840F #device xl # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # ISA Ethernet NICs. pccard NICs included. #device cs # Crystal Semiconductor CS89x0 NIC # 'device ed' requires 'device miibus' #device ed # NE[12]000, SMC Ultra, 3c503, DS8390 cards #device ex # Intel EtherExpress Pro/10 and Pro/10+ #device ep # Etherlink III based cards #device fe # Fujitsu MB8696x based cards #device ie # EtherExpress 8/16, 3C507, StarLAN 10 etc. #device sn # SMC's 9000 series of Ethernet chips #device xe # Xircom pccard Ethernet # Wireless NIC cards device wlan # 802.11 support device wlan_wep # 802.11 WEP support device wlan_ccmp # 802.11 CCMP support device wlan_tkip # 802.11 TKIP support device wlan_amrr # AMRR transmit rate control algorithm device wlan_scan_ap # 802.11 AP mode scanning device wlan_scan_sta # 802.11 STA mode scanning #device an # Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NICs. device ath # Atheros pci/cardbus NIC's device ath_hal # Atheros HAL (Hardware Access Layer) device ath_rate_sample # SampleRate tx rate control for ath #device awi # BayStack 660 and others #device ral # Ralink Technology RT2500 wireless NICs. #device wi # WaveLAN/Intersil/Symbol 802.11 wireless NICs. #device wl # Older non 802.11 Wavelan wireless NIC. # Pseudo devices. device loop # Network loopback device random # Entropy device device ether # Ethernet support device sl # Kernel SLIP device ppp # Kernel PPP device tun # Packet tunnel. device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) device md # Memory "disks" device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) device firmware # firmware assist module # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP. device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums # Mouse #device ural # Ralink Technology RT2500USB wireless NICs #device rum # Ralink Technology RT2501USB wireless NICs #device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player device uscanner # Scanners # USB Serial devices device ucom # Generic com ttys device uark # Technologies ARK3116 based serial adapters device ubsa # Belkin F5U103 and compatible serial adapters device ubser # BWCT console serial adapters device uftdi # For FTDI usb serial adapters device uipaq # Some WinCE based devices device uplcom # Prolific PL-2303 serial adapters device uslcom # SI Labs CP2101/CP2102 serial adapters device uvisor # Visor and Palm devices device uvscom # USB serial support for DDI pocket's PHS # USB Ethernet, requires miibus #device aue # ADMtek USB Ethernet #device axe # ASIX Electronics USB Ethernet #device cdce # Generic USB over Ethernet #device cue # CATC USB Ethernet #device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB Ethernet #device rue # RealTek RTL8150 USB Ethernet # FireWire support #device firewire # FireWire bus code #device sbp # SCSI over FireWire (Requires scbus and da) #device fwe # Ethernet over FireWire (non-standard!) #device fwip # IP over FireWire (RFC 2734,3146) #device dcons # Dumb console driver #device dcons_crom # Configuration ROM for dcons Thank you for help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 09:40:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2DF106568D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bg271828@yahoo.com) Received: from web53403.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53403.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D1F028FC24 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:40:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bg271828@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95293 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2008 09:13:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Nr5C0SPysGxo7gAP69J7wAHrDhof3hpaenmiltJJSz9N9tnPIupxkIKXqvf5t5IOITUX0D6S5/2ravFS/rAQiHrNH4imHqf930fnP0+YapvLIx/LVFk54HNlIPVLvclWey38dkHY+GQydnMOqC+d90e2EhheKIDbEN/UeV26MA4=; X-YMail-OSG: s.iwOIMVM1mVadmknhesxzfREV_3NICEXmwHk0XeNi.5o_oH5F4xe6tDstv0m_isz8lnp5NplWJeXR09K97LFJJ5qFdd..ONaxRsDhS4pHsnTGW.hhpwFvOhrBk40A.hXCtIxqn9z8bAuxZ1PdCk89MSvPMGjXD_mAbU..2ChNEyCmB_QlRzWNaLq56ntQ-- Received: from [166.84.1.2] by web53403.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:13:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:13:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <290903.93424.qm@web53403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Upgrading 4.x install without doing clean reinstall? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bg271828@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:40:37 -0000 I have a server that was running Free BSD 4.7 for a number of years. I DO NOT have easy physical access to it, its in a datacenter and i cant get to it myself or at this point rely on anyone there to put in a new install disk or anything. Ive replaced this server with a new one for production use, running 7.0, so now that this one is no longer live, id like to update it to 7.x so i can continue to use it as a dev box. However since i dont have direct access to it, i need to update it cleanly, so that it doesnt fall off the net or otherwise stop working during the process. Is there any clean way of doing this? If I have to upgrade to 5.x, then 6.x, then 7.x it will take forever and probably break something in the process. Can i make the jump directly, still keeping everything working? Thanks! Jen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 10:00:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927111065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF648FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from lack-of-gravitas.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFA0DZR090026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:00:20 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBFA0DZR090026 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229335220; bh=m36Nd2UGYhRlDa eAixJTeeQNywc1iMCq/tkWyeeq0Pg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<49462AAC.3 000600@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Mon,=2015=20Dec=202008=2010: 00:12=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird= 202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081202)|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20bg271828@yaho o.com|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Upgradin g=204.x=20install=20without=20doing=20clean=20reinstall?|References :=20<290903.93424.qm@web53403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<2 90903.93424.qm@web53403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200 .95.6|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3DUTF-8=3B=20format=3 Dflowed|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=207bit; b=W6RVYeu97SRMP1znQsvokM FlRN4KOIfcxpL16KupQOvkO8ALvFn/p/uCNwU3brcGn5xLsgjy0Or4oUE81vnQlyWxZ o/m9K3f71Et6U7pCpD8K+/zJx2TjvTavGka6hrH6WCIaToRm8HAMSuWwe9X6s40zMhR p2O+jc0fH0hF/GM= Message-ID: <49462AAC.3000600@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:00:12 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081202) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bg271828@yahoo.com References: <290903.93424.qm@web53403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <290903.93424.qm@web53403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:00:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8758/Mon Dec 15 08:17:20 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading 4.x install without doing clean reinstall? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:00:26 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote: | I have a server that was running Free BSD 4.7 for a number of years. I | DO NOT have easy physical access to it, its in a datacenter and i cant get | to it myself or at this point rely on anyone there to put in a new install | disk or anything. | | Ive replaced this server with a new one for production use, running | 7.0, so now that this one is no longer live, id like to update it to 7.x so i | can continue to use it as a dev box. However since i dont have direct | access to it, i need to update it cleanly, so that it doesnt fall off the | net or otherwise stop working during the process. | | Is there any clean way of doing this? If I have to upgrade to 5.x, then | 6.x, then 7.x it will take forever and probably break something in the | process. Can i make the jump directly, still keeping everything working? Given that the machine started life running 4.7 its hard drives are probably pretty elderly by now. So why not build a new 7.0 system off-line on a brand new disk, copying all of the necessary configuration info from the old machine. Then send the replacement HDD to your datacenter and have the hard drive physically swapped out? If it all goes horribly wrong then your backout path is simply to replace the original hard drive. This will involve perhaps an hours downtime -- less if you have hot-swap drives. Given that it's a development box I'd hope that isn't a show-stopper. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 ~ 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate ~ Kent, CT11 9PW, UK -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREDAAYFAklGKqwACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxW9gCeMEqkNrIwXVQEd6jkkmBPROMH MUMAnA4FcyKp+FKv5jePhfGuEQ+AMRYy =uWOi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 10:21:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26181065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946518FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C1D5B14 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:22:27 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215091146.GB57351@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215091146.GB57351@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:21:38 +1000 Message-Id: <1229336502.1647.27.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:21:48 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 02:11 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 05:11:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > > But if I remember my legal and ethics course correctly if you can arrive > > at a conclusion through your own research then your reasonably clear. > > For example, the drivers are closed source but the hardware itself is an > > entirely separate issue. So if you can create your own drivers by your > > own research into how the hardware is setup then the drivers created > > could licensed under your own terms- open source or otherwise. > > > > The drivers and hardware may operate together but are separate items of > > creativity, therefore do not operate under the same patent. > > Be very careful. Even in the US, where there's a presumption of > innocence built into criminal law, the presumption of innocence doesn't > apply in civil court. > Well thats what they teach in university- recently too. If you can show evidence that you arrived at your own conclusion without reverse engineering then your free and clear. Keep in mind though that that IS only in theory... although I personally would consider that just. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 10:21:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187FA10656EE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:21:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5AE8FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:21:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id mBFALpN6033589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id mBFALpsf033588; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA03950; Mon, 15 Dec 08 02:13:32 PST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:16:34 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au Message-Id: <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:21:56 -0000 > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted > > above, is verboten. Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be no problem writing a driver for that h/w. OTOH if the algorithms used in the driver are patented it would be an infringement to reproduce them. > But if I remember my legal and ethics course correctly if you > can arrive at a conclusion through your own research then your > reasonably clear. Not under patent, at least in the US, last I heard. (IANAL) A patent is infringed by any reproduction of the technology involved, even entirely independently. Someone described the justification as avoiding a situation in which it would pay to be ignorant of what others had done. > For example, the drivers are closed source but the hardware itself > is an entirely separate issue. So if you can create your own > drivers by your own research into how the hardware is setup then > the drivers created could licensed under your own terms- open > source or otherwise. At least in the US, that works for copyright but not for patent. > The drivers and hardware may operate together but are separate > items of creativity, therefore do not operate under the same > patent. Again, it depends on exactly what is patented (strictly speaking, what the patent's "claims" are.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 10:31:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D83F1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:31:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5FD8FC20 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:31:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2505B11 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:15:08 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215022131.GB5527@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> <1229218767.18610.39.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215022131.GB5527@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:14:10 +1000 Message-Id: <1229336056.1647.23.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:31:55 -0000 On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 19:21 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > > Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than > > grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and > > experience in how *nix in general works on something a little easier > > (for MIB lovers: noisy cricket), then move up to the big guns. > > Why not send them to something like DesktopBSD or PC-BSD, or even > FreeSBIE (if that project is still around)? If they go to some chintzy > user-obsequious Linux distribution like PCLinuxOS first, they'll just > have more stuff to unlearn *if* it ever occurs to them to give some BSD > Unix variant a try -- and if they haven't been poisoned against BSD Unix > systems by GNU/FSF propaganda in the meantime. > I doubt it. Knowing how linux works, they'll get sick of its layout and config and appreciate the BSD way once they get the hang of handling *nix methods. The hardware issues are across all those BSD platforms, which makes it tougher for newbies coming from the handfed world. Unlearning is _real_ easy when the config and layout is shit. As for the GNU philosophy, consider Ubuntu popularity versus Fedora. Fedora takes "the high road", and Ubuntu allows the users to subscribe to extra repositories of software- guess which users prefer? The threads for these arguments on the Fedora list exceed even this one in length! FreeBSD ports- you can install pretty much whatever license type in software you want, as long as someone has setup a port for it. Users consider THAT freedom. Plus, if you compile your own software there is a clear place to install it, not wandering in confusion between /usr, /opt, /usr/local, and any other variation of these (and maybe more...). I think freebsd is great, but if you haven't clue about *nix don't waste time- get some bearings first on a simple similar system which offers more user friendly features and all the cli stuff, then try the real thing. Don't worry- those worth their salt will return, the rest will stay where they're happy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 11:39:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787F11065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21B798FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 68398 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 11:39:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=oI1ifPkfffLwS+WqV7r35yJr5fYuRZ/KWU1kKCuaujlTDuqVHjlvPEW0jZ9i0xfu8vKIGTX57/UwolR5ygBdOvZ/4YzMjq+NobwEmSsQ+syybO26a8LwvjFagwswmPbxvQ3G6qaE4AWy6c9Xg9w2bjpMUoiwtNI3tBZ0m4ttZMc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 11:39:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xmDHDVkVM1kCQWHPdrq.aUJfaXf6IIyqZvi1J5CdQ742NtrEER8pOIDKUBHhH5RW6iG7WaM7zRiVJBd0TIhqpP6lNHiERa8ZgTTi3RzfFdgkTNXrPX._pPTQzwqF7rE3xTID1hLgJCQ.D6vYMDQGbuzakZwghAA7LwXso5yCl8RSLUCp.TVr6drhUkRiErA3btz1PgLcKsdqhHql2TDSWdZAFRr23ela9qQ06CGfhuHEvYs- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:39:32 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215063932.03c6d0fa@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081215060452.GD5527@kokopelli.hydra> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213205638.D44481@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215060452.GD5527@kokopelli.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/t7vKPRw215lhAsxryz4_B9H"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:39:46 -0000 --Sig_/t7vKPRw215lhAsxryz4_B9H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:04:52 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: >On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >>bad (TM). >> > >> >No -- at *any* level: >>=20 >> you are wrong. >>=20 >> for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees=20 >> ktalk about your company. > >That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement. There are users on this list who would love to see users of FBSD bound by an NDA so that they could not say anything these self appointed "CENSORS" consider verboten. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Absence in love is like water upon fire; a little quickens, but much extinguishes it. Hannah More --Sig_/t7vKPRw215lhAsxryz4_B9H Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGQf0ACgkQBvaKIJWWCO2UDwCeM4zkBQhtKszS4kv5EFvU6i8a 81QAoJ0ua286/ZDLxGboPLeY726aewQw =9uH0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/t7vKPRw215lhAsxryz4_B9H-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 11:47:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4817B1065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44388FC17 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:47:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFBlFgc053364; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:47:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFBlEHL053361; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:47:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:47:14 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081215022131.GB5527@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081215124504.F53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> <1229218767.18610.39.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215022131.GB5527@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:47:28 -0000 > Why not send them to something like DesktopBSD or PC-BSD, or even > FreeSBIE (if that project is still around)? If they go to some chintzy > user-obsequious Linux distribution like PCLinuxOS first, they'll just > have more stuff to unlearn *if* it ever occurs to them to give some BSD > Unix variant a try -- and if they haven't been poisoned against BSD Unix > systems by GNU/FSF propaganda in the meantime. it doesn't mean if they get "poisoned" or not. They don't care. They don't even understand the difference. They don't like to learn ANYTHING. They THINK they understand windows, and they THINK that's natural way of computing. They heard that linux/unix is better. That's all. sent them whatever you think, just far away from projects like FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 11:49:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9353F1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C432E8FC1F for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFBnhr7053375; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:49:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFBnhs3053372; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:49:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:49:43 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:49:55 -0000 > > I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure, > and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's job". moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure" simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and louder will takeover, no matter if it make sense or not. It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 11:53:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FAB1065679 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:53:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7A48FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFBr12Q053386; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:53:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFBr15U053383; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:53:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:53:01 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081215061521.GF5527@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081215124954.D53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215061521.GF5527@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:53:13 -0000 > > That might be a valid concern if your notion of "off topic" didn't > include things that pretty much everyone else seems to think is on topic > enough to fit into this list. do we have to start deciding what's "on-topic" by voting? congratulations.... > >> >> i don't mean moderation like removing one opinions and not others. But >> removing off-topic messages, that are 95% now or more. > > 1. When moderation is increased, so too are false positives -- like > removing statements of opinion that shouldn't be removed. there are always false positives. but everything is better than "democracy"=what most say is right is considered right. > > 2. Your idea of "off topic" seems to include stuff relevant to FreeBSD. not revelant. will you start support my program just because it can be compiled on FreeBSD? it's nonsense. so stop supporting third party non-freebsd specific software just because it can be compiled under FreeBSD!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 11:53:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752DD1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA528FC36 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFBrdKu053393; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:53:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFBrd6r053390; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:53:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:53:39 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081215061706.GG5527@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081215125319.N53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213133151.5d833c1c@gom.home> <20081213224710.Q44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215061706.GG5527@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:53:53 -0000 >> >> and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that moderator's >> job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. NOTHING else. > > As long as neither you, nor anyone that thinks like you, is in charge of > moderation, it might not be a *complete* disaster. > of course it should be you to remove all my posts:) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 11:54:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2B91065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF06E8FC26 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFBsG3g053410; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:54:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFBsGAc053407; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:54:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:54:16 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081215062421.GH5527@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081215125352.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215062421.GH5527@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:54:29 -0000 >> >> Most of them don't. > > Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says "I'm a Windows > user, but I'm thinking about trying out FreeBSD," you immediately assume > the person doesn't want to learn without bothering to read any further, I yes. because if this person would like, he/she would read FreeBSD handbook first! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 11:59:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867EB106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:59:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E055F8FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBFBxfTf031437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:47 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFBxfVE005042 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:41 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBFBxfK0005025; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:41 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215071738.GA1440@comcast.net> (Charlie Kester's message of "Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:17:38 -0800") Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:21:34 +0200 Message-ID: <877i61pttt.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081214231727.V50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skoqfhkg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> <87d4fu18ih.fsf@kobe.laptop> <18757.53108.118667.585355@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812141940j2a8477fai3101c9bd9f33591d@mail.gmail.com> <18757.53972.437289.439136@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081215071738.GA1440@comcast.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBFBxfTf031437 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.862, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:59:54 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:17:38 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: > The conversations on ports@ seem to be mostly concerned with the needs > of port maintainers rather than the users of ports. If you have > problems getting a port to build or a package added, it feels like the > right place to get help. > > But I'm not sure whether it's the place for questions that come up after > the initial install. questions@ seems to be the place for those. I think you got that right. lists.freebsd.org says: freebsd-ports Porting software to FreeBSD freebsd-questions User questions It's nice to have a list for people who are *porting* software, but the list for general `user questions' is here. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:00:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E114E10656A4 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:00:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7958FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:00:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBFBxgs2031438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:47 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFBxgTS005054; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBFBxfPS005045; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:41 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Noah In-Reply-To: <4945D461.7070406@enabled.com> (Noah's message of "Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:52:01 -0800") Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:27:04 +0200 Message-ID: <873agpptkn.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4945D461.7070406@enabled.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBFBxgs2031438 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.861, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: control character file names X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:00:03 -0000 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:52:01 -0800, Noah wrote: >> >> * Use a file manager. >> >> I often use `dired-mode' inside an Emacs session to move around, >> copy, re-organize, rename or delete files. Any file manager that >> can display several character sets at once will do fine :) > > Hey there Giorgos, > > I'd love to use emacs but I go into 'dired-mode' and I try to rename the > ^M' directory and receive an error from emacs. The error claims > "file-error Renaming no such file or directory /mnt/mybook-music/^M > /mnt/mybook-music/Music2 > > What do I do? If you have customized `dired-listing-switches' try reverting it to a simpler set of options, like: (setq-default dired-listing-switches "-lFa") The -b and -B options tend to confuse dired about what the *real* filename is, and may trigger this sort of error. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:07:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503D31065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DECA8FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:07:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFC6wgq053458; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:06:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFC6wNJ053455; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:06:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:06:58 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081215063454.GJ5527@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081215125453.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> <71959979-E03D-454E-A637-29E46BC2D2E4@rgbaz.eu> <20081214164650.I49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215063454.GJ5527@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:07:09 -0000 > base system: nothing appropriate > > Maybe what we need isn't for you to keep complaining about 70% of the > very helpful list traffic, helpful for whom? > thus producing another 5% of the list traffic > yourself (directly, and indirectly through annoyed responses to you), but > for someone to come up with a base-system@freebsd.org list where you can > hang out and be happy. > seems you actively like this mailing list to become big shit. You WELL know what i am talking about, and you just play with words. Because i AM very much feared about FreeBSD future not being like lots of other free software project, i will do everything to take all idiots, winusers, "students" that want comparision between different OS in few words (because they was required at school), questions about one of million of non-freebsd specific software, stupid discussion about windoze-like bloatware running under unix etc. etc. I really don't care about your opinion, just because it's THE ONLY GOOD UNIX LEFT IN THE WORLD now! There was linux many years ago, yes - less functional, but WELL DONE, they f...ked it up by quickly adding every stupid features requested. Then i switched to NetBSD, that worked excellent up to 1.5, and then got f..ked up even more than linux when started to be sponsored by "wasabisystems" and possibly other funny companies. They even changed the way versions are numbered to get higher numbers faster ;) Now i'm using FreeBSD and it got better each version. Really better, not "better". And i really want to keep it that way, because there is no alternative now! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:08:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521201065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806968FC26 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:08:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFC8I7S053469; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:08:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFC8IuZ053466; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:08:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:08:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081215064719.GL5527@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081215130726.J53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215064719.GL5527@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:08:30 -0000 > Actually, Pentium M processors may well be the best x86-compatible CPUs > of their generation -- low power consumption relative to the competition, > and the best performance per dollar in their class. Pentium 4, though, > certainly sucks. as having pentium-M laptop and pentium-4 server i can only say - you are exactly right. in real load my 1200Mhz laptop isn't much slower than 3Ghz pentium-4 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:09:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994E61065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:09:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431CF8FC27 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:09:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFC9WQO053484; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:09:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFC9UeK053481; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:09:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:09:30 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4946015B.2070802@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081215130857.H53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229234226.18610.109.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081214110312.V48606@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812140207r178560c1nf166d2adcbe5f698@mail.gmail.com> <4944E34E.1040904@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081214115318.T48752@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081214101359.1249f45c@gom.home> <4946015B.2070802@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, prad Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:09:39 -0000 > Heh. "The customer is /always/ right, even when they're wrong." The > difference is that you give the idiot customers exactly what they ask > for, and the good customers what they actually need.... which cannot be done. you choose idiots or good customers, as it's effectively 2 market niches. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:10:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89761065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A865A8FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:10:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFCAmQc053495; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:10:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFCAmaQ053492; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:10:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:10:48 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20081214230425.68dfd5e7@gom.home> Message-ID: <20081215130946.L53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081214230425.68dfd5e7@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:10:56 -0000 > i don't think that has to happen at all. > > personally i think self-moderation is best, followed by moderation > (which i haven't found to be a bad thing). > > here the former seems to be dominant because of the quality of people > on the list, so it is quite sufficient. this quality gets down. not because lots of smart people get dumber, but because lots of new people comes, mostly those who "heard" about FreeBSD being better than windows etc.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:16:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B851065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CAA8FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFCGOnx053536; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:16:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFCGNAI053533; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:16:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:16:23 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Benjamin M. A'Lee" In-Reply-To: <20081215120635.GC22666@jagger.subvert.org.uk> Message-ID: <20081215131617.O53532@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215120635.GC22666@jagger.subvert.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:16:36 -0000 >> It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting >> moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic! > > Group topic? As far as I can tell, the topic is "user questions" about FreeBSD > (according to http://lists.freebsd.org/ and the List-Id header). Where > exactly is it defined what those questions may be about? > > -- > Benjamin M. A'Lee || mail: bma@subvert.org.uk > web: http://subvert.org.uk/~bma/ || gpg: 0xBB6D2FA0 > "...when two opposite points of view are expressed with equal intensity, the > truth does not necessarily lie exactly halfway between them. It is possible > for one side to be simply wrong." -- Richard Dawkins > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:18:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816EC1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:18:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301F68FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:18:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8F95C77 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:19:01 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:18:10 +1000 Message-Id: <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:18:21 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:49 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure, > > and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's job". > > moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure" > simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and louder > will takeover, no matter if it make sense or not. > > It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting > moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic! I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the all-knowing handbook IS for newbies, people who probably won't understand the difference between third party and base. I started here myself a long time ago, I wouldn't have the foggiest what you'd be on about if I'd have come across your comments. I hardly do now if it's any consolation, but thats more disbelief than lack of knowledge or willingness to learn. Another fact on this matter is the very point of why the reply-to of this list is not to the list itself (a matter for argument which has resurfaced on a regular basis): one does not have to be actually subscribed to this list to post to it. So of course the really fresh and uncertain ARE going to come here- this is THE first port of call. And all of this is IN the handbook. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:19:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10571065680 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E78D8FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so3472207ewy.19 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.130.13 with SMTP id c13mr4387389ebd.179.1229343566772; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (host-82-44-127-245.static.telewest.net [82.44.127.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10sm205198gvf.31.2008.12.15.04.19.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:19:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49464B4D.4040206@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:19:25 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions-list freebsd References: 493D246C.80008@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk <493D53A9.3000106@janh.de> In-Reply-To: <493D53A9.3000106@janh.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:19:28 -0000 After some messing around with various efforts on the depenguinator I came up with this scheme for getting a freebsd boot using an external freebsd machine ie not using the target to create the boot. ##freebsd machine #get the freebsd bootonly location wget [use your local location]/7.1-RC1-i386-bootonly.iso #determine its size (in my case 39M) ls -l 7.1-RC1-i386-bootonly.iso #make an image file slightly larger dd if=/dev/zero of=fbsd.img bs=1k count=40000 #create /dev/md0 connected to the image file mdconfig -a -t vnode -f fbsd.img -u 0 #lable it and make a file system thereon bsdlabel -w -B md0 auto newfs -m 0 md0a #make a mount point and then mount the new mem fs on it mkdir img mount /dev/md0a img #and check its usage etc etc df img #now make a mount point for the iso and connect it to md1 mkdir iso mdconfig -a -t vnode -f 7.1-RC1-i386-bootonly.iso -u 1 #and mount as cd mount_cd9660 /dev/md1 iso df iso #copy the iso to the image cp -pr iso/* img/ #clean up umount img iso mdconfig -d -u 0 mdconfig -d -u 1 #copy the image to the target scp fbsd.img me@target:/tmp/ ### target machine ubuntu 8.10 in my case Now after logging in to the target and sudoing su mv /tmp/fbsd.img /boot cp /usr/lib/syslinux/memdisk /boot then edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to contain a new entry title FreeBSD root (hd0,0) kernel memdisk initrd /boot/fbsd.img On reboot I selected the FreeBSD entry and was pleasantly surprised to see the freebsd boot process happening just fine. I suppose with this setup (provided all stays connected) one can do a full install from a network whose parameters may be set up during the install. -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:22:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177DE1065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:22:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9828FC21 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:22:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5F25C79 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:22:41 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215125352.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <94136a2c0812131010p648d1a81q54f62bb3e1a61026@mail.gmail.com> <20081213200315.A44344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215062421.GH5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215125352.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:21:45 +1000 Message-Id: <1229343710.1647.43.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:22:01 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:54 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> Most of them don't. > > > > Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says "I'm a Windows > > user, but I'm thinking about trying out FreeBSD," you immediately assume > > the person doesn't want to learn without bothering to read any further, I > > yes. because if this person would like, he/she would read FreeBSD handbook > first! Considering my comments previously regarding this list and the handbook's direction to here for support and questions, perhaps you should follow your own advice? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:22:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F611065676 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:22:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6F48FC23 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:22:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBFCLhuS001443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:21:49 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFCLhmT021565; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:21:43 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBFCLgim021564; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:21:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> <71959979-E03D-454E-A637-29E46BC2D2E4@rgbaz.eu> <20081214164650.I49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215063454.GJ5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215125453.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:21:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081215125453.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:06:58 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87iqplmxwz.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-MailScanner-ID: mBFCLhuS001443 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.294, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:22:02 -0000 --=-=-= On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:06:58 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > Now i'm using FreeBSD and it got better each version. Really better, > not "better". > > And i really want to keep it that way, because there is no alternative > now! There are many constructive ways of improving FreeBSD. You have already submitted 7 bug reports in out bug database. If you think you can help by submitting *more* bug reports, testing FreeBSD patches, developing new FreeBSD code or writing FreeBSD documentation, you are more than welcome to do so. Driving FreeBSD users away because you think they are 'clueless morons' does *NOT* help. You seem to have this twisted idea that FreeBSD is obliged to take a direction of elitism, that the FreeBSD Project is somehow supposed to do what _you_ think should be its direction. I'm afraid things don't work this way. If you want to set the direction of the Project you will have to go through the usual channels (become a FreeBSD developer, write a substantial part of the OS, get elected to one of the managing teams, and see what you can do about the project direction _then_). When I say that FreeBSD is *not* a bunch elitist bastards and we do *not* like driving users away, I am aware of how serious it is to 'speak on behalf of the entire FreeBSD team'. If you still doubt this, we can bring it up with the Core team. Perhaps a more official statement will be enough to make you see that driving people away because 'they are stupid Window users' is *NOT* one of the goals of FreeBSD. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGS9YACgkQ1g+UGjGGA7a0pACeONtkPF17ywUnLwbFtwoAjnx1 s88An1UULRpjndHBtxxihfBAhjk4e54M =dTwY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:24:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1500B1065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bma@jagger.subvert.org.uk) Received: from jagger.subvert.org.uk (jagger.subvert.org.uk [80.68.88.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D1F8FC22 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:24:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bma@jagger.subvert.org.uk) Received: by jagger.subvert.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B7F6B38097; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:06:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:06:35 +0000 From: "Benjamin M. A'Lee" To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081215120635.GC22666@jagger.subvert.org.uk> References: <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:24:43 -0000 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:49:43PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure, >> and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's job". > > moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure" simply > doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and louder will > takeover, no matter if it make sense or not. > > It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting > moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic! Group topic? As far as I can tell, the topic is "user questions" (according to http://lists.freebsd.org/ and the List-Id header). Where exactly is it defined what those questions may be about? -- Benjamin M. A'Lee || mail: bma@subvert.org.uk web: http://subvert.org.uk/~bma/ || gpg: 0xBB6D2FA0 "...when two opposite points of view are expressed with equal intensity, the truth does not necessarily lie exactly halfway between them. It is possible for one side to be simply wrong." -- Richard Dawkins From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:25:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E93106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B56C58FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 85712 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 12:25:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=CzAGpWkRKrCAUB19GsjhV+XYV2YRSNNjADfCtmt/Tivo42BHpvcU2yfsGhcsu+BPI0HFbhlR+MC/LopBP5y+mBSVr6V2EonfmkyhQdnRjBjZ+rQkSfWDFFgLiTpatuT388gLxKXt3GMY0LlcZarK9gUqzu3tCvPwP/lT4rBdw1U= ; Received: from unknown (HELO scorpio) (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 12:25:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KYaHMb4VM1neZJkKkblMgWnDGlGWwu2vbItuBsTXr5jZ6gq_JZRrvtu2L5OpMediqoNxFkxa0QzKSt_FeIyeSYsyk72imyAM8NWqaNKKFrMKhMduKXS9e9eYr0XERSO8DpHD92SIGSrD773W3TMQm3r_.tTqqFkbpq7ZmnStjOF1T_0fEoKXmGZzg9nOf1MA0rTcS4GbapYBW48YYI1vjnFpG8s- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:25:29 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215072529.48c6aa59@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/27av90TfrB0nkm7T+Bjs4/u"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:25:35 -0000 --Sig_/27av90TfrB0nkm7T+Bjs4/u Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:49:43 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> I think that can be handled quite easily by community social >> pressure, and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's >> someone else's job". > >moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure"=20 >simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and >louder will takeover, no matter if it make sense or not. Yes, and you have gone a long way in proving just that point. Your narrow minded, inability to accept anyone else's opinions that are even slightly ajar of your own preconceived concepts are a perfect example of your inability to work and play well with others. Actually, I like your reference to 'Democracy'. Coming from a socialist, the very thought of an open discussion on any matter that does not fit in your narrow parameters would seem objectionable. >It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting=20 >moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic! Might I suggest that we start with yours. I am all ready creating a KILL filter to rid my INBOX of your useless diatribe. Furthermore, I believe that your are the reason that vendors are not more interested in FreeBSD. How could any of them expect to reasonably work with a narrow minded, opinionated, buffoon like you? You concept of cooperation is: "My way, or no way." --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Speaking of purchasing a dog, never buy a watchdog that's on sale. After all, everyone knows a bargain dog never bites! --Sig_/27av90TfrB0nkm7T+Bjs4/u Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGTLoACgkQBvaKIJWWCO1F0QCfR9rSfi6pDHrV+76Vy1B34NkP aTAAn3F9RkgwWrC7lUVFRGWwE4eohsWw =OILj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/27av90TfrB0nkm7T+Bjs4/u-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:27:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE49C106567A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7836E8FC26 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486475C7F for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:28:29 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:27:30 +1000 Message-Id: <1229344057.1647.49.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:27:48 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 02:16 -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted > > > above, is verboten. > > Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is > patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be > no problem writing a driver for that h/w. OTOH if the algorithms > used in the driver are patented it would be an infringement to > reproduce them. > > > But if I remember my legal and ethics course correctly if you > > can arrive at a conclusion through your own research then your > > reasonably clear. > > Not under patent, at least in the US, last I heard. (IANAL) > A patent is infringed by any reproduction of the technology > involved, even entirely independently. Someone described the > justification as avoiding a situation in which it would pay > to be ignorant of what others had done. > If you have done your own research then the algorithms wouldn't necessarily be the same- they'd nearly certainly be different, wouldn't they? So isn't that the basis for the patent? A patent is a registration of an idea. Two different ideas can still arrive at the same conclusion. > > For example, the drivers are closed source but the hardware itself > > is an entirely separate issue. So if you can create your own > > drivers by your own research into how the hardware is setup then > > the drivers created could licensed under your own terms- open > > source or otherwise. > > At least in the US, that works for copyright but not for patent. > > > The drivers and hardware may operate together but are separate > > items of creativity, therefore do not operate under the same > > patent. > > Again, it depends on exactly what is patented (strictly speaking, > what the patent's "claims" are.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:44:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DCA1065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780ED8FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFCigih053655 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:44:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFCifMe053652 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:44:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:44:41 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215072529.48c6aa59@scorpio> Message-ID: <20081215134416.I53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215072529.48c6aa59@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:44:52 -0000 >> >> moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure" >> simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and >> louder will takeover, no matter if it make sense or not. > > Yes, and you have gone a long way in proving just that point. Your > narrow minded, inability to accept anyone else's opinions that are even > slightly ajar of your own preconceived concepts are a perfect example > of your inability to work and play well with others. just because my opinion is other than yours :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:48:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5961065675; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30788FC1C; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFCmar3053666; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:48:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFCmaix053663; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:48:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:48:36 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87iqplmxwz.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081215134518.T53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> <71959979-E03D-454E-A637-29E46BC2D2E4@rgbaz.eu> <20081214164650.I49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215063454.GJ5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215125453.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87iqplmxwz.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:48:48 -0000 > > There are many constructive ways of improving FreeBSD. You have already > submitted 7 bug reports in out bug database. If you think you can help of which at least 2 was completely ignored;) (no even response) > by submitting *more* bug reports, testing FreeBSD patches, developing > new FreeBSD code or writing FreeBSD documentation, you are more than > welcome to do so. > > Driving FreeBSD users away because you think they are 'clueless morons' > does *NOT* help. do help - as much as writing patches bug reports and documentation. > You seem to have this twisted idea that FreeBSD is obliged to take a > direction of elitism, that the FreeBSD Project is somehow supposed to do it will take a direction of "elitism" or it will be a useless crap. that's simple. Elitism isn't really good word here, because access to it isn't restricted depending of where you've born, how much money you have, what are your friends etc. You have just need to read documentation and start using it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:50:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9324F106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDB88FC34 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFCnvt2053677; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:49:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFCnvRI053674; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:49:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:49:57 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:12 -0000 > > I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing > the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is > freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the > all-knowing handbook IS for newbies, people who probably won't > understand the difference between third party and base. there is freebsd-newbies for this. this group is "freebsd-question" = questions about FreeBSD. That's THAT simple, unless you like it to be more complicated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:51:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9B11065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8101D8FC1F for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:51:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFCp35o053684 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:51:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFCp3j2053681 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:51:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:51:03 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215063932.03c6d0fa@scorpio> Message-ID: <20081215135020.F53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213205638.D44481@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215060452.GD5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215063932.03c6d0fa@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:51:11 -0000 >> That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement. > > There are users on this list who would love to see users of FBSD bound > by an NDA so that they could not say anything these self appointed > "CENSORS" consider verboten. you are excellent at messing things up. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:57:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A111065677; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:57:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238D88FC08; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:57:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFCuqMC053708; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:56:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFCuqna053705; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:56:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:56:52 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87iqplmxwz.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081215135543.Y53704@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211215036.526b2cad@gom.home> <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> <71959979-E03D-454E-A637-29E46BC2D2E4@rgbaz.eu> <20081214164650.I49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215063454.GJ5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215125453.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87iqplmxwz.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:57:05 -0000 > When I say that FreeBSD is *not* a bunch elitist bastards and we do > *not* like driving users away, I am aware of how serious it is to 'speak > on behalf of the entire FreeBSD team' I speak only for myself. As i already wrote, i don't want FreeBSD to be turned into mainstream crap, because there are no other unices to replace it now. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 13:03:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC871065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6838FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:54281 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LCD6Q-0006dp-8t for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:03:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 16791 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 14:03:12 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2008 14:03:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 42250 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Dec 2008 14:03:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:03:12 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081215130312.GA42208@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1LCD6Q-0006dp-8t. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1LCD6Q-0006dp-8t efb555c6b11f8b0869646bf646a12d9c Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:03:16 -0000 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:49:57PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing > > the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is > > freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the > > all-knowing handbook IS for newbies, people who probably won't > > understand the difference between third party and base. > > there is freebsd-newbies for this. > > this group is "freebsd-question" = questions about FreeBSD. Not quite. It is also the list one should use to ask FreeBSD-related questions when one is not sure which list is most appropriate for that particular question. I.e. "freebsd-quesitions" is for all FreeBSD-related questions, not only questions about the FreeBSD base system. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 13:07:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDD91065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3ED98FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFD6rbh053767; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:06:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFD6rJL053764; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:06:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:06:52 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erik Trulsson In-Reply-To: <20081215130312.GA42208@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20081215140456.J53751@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215130312.GA42208@owl.midgard.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:07:05 -0000 > > I.e. "freebsd-quesitions" is for all FreeBSD-related questions, not only > questions about the FreeBSD base system. from handbook: freebsd-questions User questions and technical support From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 13:07:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE85D1065677 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129308FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:07:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBFD7C8a004917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:07:18 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFD7C9s002201; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:07:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBFD78G3002200; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:07:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:07:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:49:57 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87bpvdpoxv.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBFD7C8a004917 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.862, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:07:31 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:49:57 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only >> discussing the base-system already exists (probably stable or >> arch). This is freebsd questions- and the nature of the list >> according to the all-knowing handbook IS for newbies, people who >> probably won't understand the difference between third party and >> base. > > there is freebsd-newbies for this. > > this group is "freebsd-question" = questions about FreeBSD. > > That's THAT simple, unless you like it to be more complicated. No there isn't. The freebsd-newbies list has been merged with freebsd-questions for several years now. You could have easily verified this by following the link to: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies For one more time, please stop spreading misinformation. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 13:10:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D896106568F for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250658FC20 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:10:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBFD9p5Z005054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:09:56 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFD9oO6002218; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:09:50 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBFD9nBP002217; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:09:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215130312.GA42208@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20081215140456.J53751@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:09:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081215140456.J53751@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:06:52 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87tz95oa8y.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBFD9p5Z005054 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.862, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:10:04 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:06:52 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I.e. "freebsd-quesitions" is for all FreeBSD-related questions, not >> only questions about the FreeBSD base system. > > from handbook: > > freebsd-questions User questions and technical support Exactly. Note, however, that 'user questions' means something very different from what you are pushing to convince everybody else :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 13:12:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6D81065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F858FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFDCGlu053797; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:12:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFDCGAn053794; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:12:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:12:16 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87tz95oa8y.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081215141113.J53793@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215130312.GA42208@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20081215140456.J53751@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87tz95oa8y.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:12:31 -0000 >> >> freebsd-questions User questions and technical support > > Exactly. Note, however, that 'user questions' means something very > different from what you are pushing to convince everybody else :-) so please start to answer every possible question. for example problems with windows ftp program. it's very FreeBSD-related, as user wanted to download something from server running FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 13:13:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C5D106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCC48FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFDD3jA053804; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:13:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFDD3ht053801; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:13:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:13:03 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87bpvdpoxv.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20081215141229.G53793@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87bpvdpoxv.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:13:16 -0000 >> That's THAT simple, unless you like it to be more complicated. > > No there isn't. > > The freebsd-newbies list has been merged with freebsd-questions for > several years now. > > You could have easily verified this by following the link to: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > sorry, i was sure it exist, but wasn't aware because i never wanted to subscribe to freebsd-newbies. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 13:35:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E64E1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:35:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7AC8FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBFDYngq006589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:34:54 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFDYnTb002457; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:34:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBFDYnoX002456; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:34:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215130312.GA42208@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20081215140456.J53751@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87tz95oa8y.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215141113.J53793@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:34:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081215141113.J53793@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:12:16 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87vdtlmuiv.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBFDYngq006589 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.861, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:35:08 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:12:16 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> freebsd-questions User questions and technical support >> >> Exactly. Note, however, that 'user questions' means something very >> different from what you are pushing to convince everybody else :-) > > so please start to answer every possible question. for example problems > with windows ftp program. > > it's very FreeBSD-related, as user wanted to download something from > server running FreeBSD. I don't know why you are so certain that the FTP server has no bugs at all, and why it is worthless to spend some time troubleshooting this further. It may sound surprising but this sort of thing may actually lead to an *improved* FreeBSD system by finding bugs that are triggered by the particular combination of client & server. If this doesn't sound interesting to you, then that's ok. You shouldn't feel that it is a duty of yours to do anything about it. All I'm asking in this and previous posts is that you don't take such a strong stance against *others* who may feel inclined to help with the particular issue. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 13:59:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5D71065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993488FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.23.8.177] (nat-service4.juniper.net [66.129.225.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFDx74A019808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <494662A6.3050001@enabled.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:59:02 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4945D461.7070406@enabled.com> <873agpptkn.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <873agpptkn.fsf@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: control character file names X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:59:10 -0000 Hi there, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:52:01 -0800, Noah wrote: >>> * Use a file manager. >>> >>> I often use `dired-mode' inside an Emacs session to move around, >>> copy, re-organize, rename or delete files. Any file manager that >>> can display several character sets at once will do fine :) >> Hey there Giorgos, >> >> I'd love to use emacs but I go into 'dired-mode' and I try to rename the >> ^M' directory and receive an error from emacs. The error claims >> "file-error Renaming no such file or directory /mnt/mybook-music/^M >> /mnt/mybook-music/Music2 >> >> What do I do? > > If you have customized `dired-listing-switches' try reverting it to a > simpler set of options, like: > > (setq-default dired-listing-switches "-lFa") > > The -b and -B options tend to confuse dired about what the *real* > filename is, and may trigger this sort of error. thanks I placed that setq option in my .emacs and that works for renaming files and directories containing control character. I am unable to rename a directory that has nine '?'. What setq modification will allow emacs to change those type filenames? Cheers, Noah From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:01:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4FF1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FC78FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so551170qwb.7 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:01:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lEVeWbhqM2gsTAXNoZ0I+w7xnxChHNtn6lExvxe1xdU=; b=bHgfIM2YUSq3+u1ELcxmDjhv+Tq2+6PWBU1bbmRSYVVUyYAsXAJ/mK3hrAJVFcLeQu AJmySbAUfGxzAv7i1SffthRRF/wYHkJK/seVHLghSp42aE2dMfWV2As0oCM+ebPQfw+u p7QQN/VUJDz8/k9tTX53Sjq/qLlWS42kyZH3E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U3iliKJ/x7tmqt0CJjoVhZqxQh9vM8RrOgzNAU3klLc/F2EeQIBxVs3Q3eKouvll7c dIdoIiKZKxh1q3yKSGRW7ksaslsQeeTeZrNxJc0iQGSiAMIESNlFdNhOnWLpQPcgZFWj /oJ+1zuj8z5hTLWtQ+XQxXFK4VdJM/4nIvRt0= Received: by 10.214.43.5 with SMTP id q5mr7547265qaq.205.1229349664672; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1092949ywf.32.2008.12.15.06.01.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:01:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4946631E.3040104@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:01:02 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215130312.GA42208@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20081215140456.J53751@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87tz95oa8y.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215141113.J53793@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87vdtlmuiv.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <87vdtlmuiv.fsf@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:05 -0000 can this thread be closed now? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:07:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010FD1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:07:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C96A8FC22 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:07:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBFE7VuN009581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:07:36 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFE7SeB002843; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:07:28 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBFE7RNw002842; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:07:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Noah References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4945D461.7070406@enabled.com> <873agpptkn.fsf@kobe.laptop> <494662A6.3050001@enabled.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:07:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <494662A6.3050001@enabled.com> (Noah's message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:59:02 -0800") Message-ID: <87wse17crl.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBFE7VuN009581 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.294, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Renaming files with strange characters in dired-mode [was: Re: control character file names] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:07:58 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:59:02 -0800, Noah wrote: >> If you have customized `dired-listing-switches' try reverting it to a >> simpler set of options, like: >> >> (setq-default dired-listing-switches "-lFa") >> >> The -b and -B options tend to confuse dired about what the *real* >> filename is, and may trigger this sort of error. > > thanks I placed that setq option in my .emacs and that works for > renaming files and directories containing control character. I am > unable to rename a directory that has nine '?'. > > What setq modification will allow emacs to change those type filenames? This seems like a dired problem. Are the characters _really_ the question mark character, or are they merely characters that are un-displayable in the current coding system? What do you see when you move the point on that filename and then type `C-u C-x ='? If the characters are really the question mark, then the informational buffer that pops up should include something like this: ,----------------------------------------------------------------------- | character: ? (63, #o77, #x3f) | preferred charset: ascii (ASCII (ISO646 IRV)) | code point: 0x3F | syntax: . which means: punctuation | category: a:ASCII | ASCII graphic characters 32-126 (ISO646 IRV:1983[4/0]) l:Latin r:Roman | Japanese roman | buffer code: #x3F | file code: #x3F (encoded by coding system utf-8-emacs-unix) | display: terminal code #x3F | | Character code properties: customize what to show | name: QUESTION MARK | general-category: Po (Punctuation, Other) | | There are text properties here: | fontified t | `----------------------------------------------------------------------- ASCII code 63 (octal #o77, hex #x3f) in this case is the question-mark character. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:09:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4AD106568A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:09:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3AB8FC14 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:09:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB1E3C8CF for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:09:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBFE9WuY011644 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:09:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:09:31 +0100 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20081215150931.dbc8ea64.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Uptime logging with (maybe) ppp's log functionality X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:09:42 -0000 Hi! I'm going to setup a system with a dial-up modem for sporadic Internet access; a provider that charges per second online time is used. Is there a way ppp (which is used for dialing) can log the online time (or at least the connection's start and stop time) so the costs can be calculated? Furthermore, are there already tools that, for example, would use the daily, weekly or monthly periodic jobs to inform via mail about how much online time was spent? Or, in addition, how much money this would mean (built-in calculation)? If it doesn't already exist, I'm sure I'll code it. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:11:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEC0106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:11:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B308FC1C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F11B3CA04; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:11:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBFEB28I011665; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:11:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:11:01 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Noah Message-Id: <20081215151101.1fed6be8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <494662A6.3050001@enabled.com> References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4945D461.7070406@enabled.com> <873agpptkn.fsf@kobe.laptop> <494662A6.3050001@enabled.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: control character file names X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:11:10 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:59:02 -0800, Noah wrote: > I am > unable to rename a directory that has nine '?'. Maybe Midnight Commander - PF6: Rename - will do the job? (Workaround) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:14:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22A11065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:14:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BF88FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:14:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.23.8.177] (nat-service4.juniper.net [66.129.225.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFEEbnP022270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:14:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <49466648.7080901@enabled.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:14:32 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4945D461.7070406@enabled.com> <873agpptkn.fsf@kobe.laptop> <494662A6.3050001@enabled.com> <20081215151101.1fed6be8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081215151101.1fed6be8.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: control character file names X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:14:44 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:59:02 -0800, Noah wrote: >> I am >> unable to rename a directory that has nine '?'. > > Maybe Midnight Commander - PF6: Rename - will do the job? > (Workaround) > > okay I dont quite understand. what is midnight commander - PF6: Rename? Cheers, Noah From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:19:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B441A1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7AA8FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.23.8.177] (nat-service4.juniper.net [66.129.225.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFEJ12Q022467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:19:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <49466750.7060704@enabled.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:18:56 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4945D461.7070406@enabled.com> <873agpptkn.fsf@kobe.laptop> <494662A6.3050001@enabled.com> <87wse17crl.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <87wse17crl.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Renaming files with strange characters in dired-mode [was: Re: control character file names] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:19:01 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:59:02 -0800, Noah wrote: >>> If you have customized `dired-listing-switches' try reverting it to a >>> simpler set of options, like: >>> >>> (setq-default dired-listing-switches "-lFa") >>> >>> The -b and -B options tend to confuse dired about what the *real* >>> filename is, and may trigger this sort of error. >> thanks I placed that setq option in my .emacs and that works for >> renaming files and directories containing control character. I am >> unable to rename a directory that has nine '?'. >> >> What setq modification will allow emacs to change those type filenames? > > This seems like a dired problem. Are the characters _really_ the > question mark character, or are they merely characters that are > un-displayable in the current coding system? > > What do you see when you move the point on that filename and then type > `C-u C-x ='? If the characters are really the question mark, then the > informational buffer that pops up should include something like this: noah@tsunami:/mnt/mybook-music$ ls -lB | less total 1778688 drwxr-xr-x 3 noah noah 0 2005-01-09 15:26 ????????? -rwx------ 1 noah noah 1841776 2007-12-13 19:57 00_arditi-standards_of_triumph-2006-cd-amrc.jpg -rwx------ 1 noah noah 3223290 2007-12-13 20:02 00_arditi-standards_of_triumph-2006-front-amrc.jpg -rwx------ 1 noah noah 2989502 2007-12-13 20:07 00_arditi-standards_of_triumph-2006-inlay1-amrc.jpg Here is what is shown in emacs: character: ? (63, #o77, #x3f, U+003F) charset: ascii (ASCII (ISO646 IRV)) code point: #x3F syntax: . which means: punctuation category: a:ASCII graphic characters 32-126 (ISO646 IRV:1983[4/0]) l:Latin buffer code: #x3F file code: #x3F (encoded by coding system mule-utf-8) display: by this font (glyph code) -Adobe-Courier-Medium-R-Normal--12-120-75-75-M-70-ISO8859-1 (#x3F) There are text properties here: dired-filename t face dired-directory fontified t help-echo "mouse-2: visit this file in other window" mouse-face highlight > > ,----------------------------------------------------------------------- > | character: ? (63, #o77, #x3f) > | preferred charset: ascii (ASCII (ISO646 IRV)) > | code point: 0x3F > | syntax: . which means: punctuation > | category: a:ASCII > | ASCII graphic characters 32-126 (ISO646 IRV:1983[4/0]) l:Latin r:Roman > | Japanese roman > | buffer code: #x3F > | file code: #x3F (encoded by coding system utf-8-emacs-unix) > | display: terminal code #x3F > | > | Character code properties: customize what to show > | name: QUESTION MARK > | general-category: Po (Punctuation, Other) > | > | There are text properties here: > | fontified t > | > `----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ASCII code 63 (octal #o77, hex #x3f) in this case is the question-mark > character. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:32:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF2A1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:32:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114528FC24 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:32:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A79F3CA41; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:32:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBFEW4Vc011778; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:32:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:32:03 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Noah Message-Id: <20081215153203.d2cefe4c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <49466648.7080901@enabled.com> References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4945D461.7070406@enabled.com> <873agpptkn.fsf@kobe.laptop> <494662A6.3050001@enabled.com> <20081215151101.1fed6be8.freebsd@edvax.de> <49466648.7080901@enabled.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: control character file names X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:32:12 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:14:32 -0800, Noah wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:59:02 -0800, Noah wrote: > >> I am > >> unable to rename a directory that has nine '?'. > > > > Maybe Midnight Commander - PF6: Rename - will do the job? > > (Workaround) > > > > > > okay I dont quite understand. what is midnight commander - PF6: Rename? Sorry for being to briefly. 1. The Midnight Commander is a curses based file manager that might be a workaround for the problem you can't solve using Emacs at the moment. It can be installed via ports or (more simple) from packages using "pkg_add -r mc". The command to run it is "mc". 2. PF6 (or F6) refers to the programmable function key number 6 which has the function to move or rename files (in the Midnight Commander). By the way, for deleting a directory, PF8 (or F8) - Delete - can be useful. I'm not sure if the MC can be troubled by control characters in filenames, but up to this point, I found nothing the MC couldn't delete anyway. :-) I hope I didn't explain too stupidly, I don't want to sound impolite. Of course I cannot assume anyone to know what a Midnight Commander is or what PF keys (IBM and robotron terminology) are... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:56:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9E2106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26C58FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so1447056mue.3 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:56:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=2hq6PqqgQoDLc8HfyMAwpaeMHjFYgC1e9VHQsgPkb40=; b=wFDYN3/ImSbY2l8mZgyv1iHF5Gjd/nGvn4K8ehb28jzhH0BucgaF3NUlHABNc4gP5o oZqkQEzHYs6FonhYixVYrnUhsLZsZcqakOevv8H9la8StCNjJWYfHbeEIOWx6NNVrxYu TfukC0ZohrE/r/c1/blB7mQukPCk67zY1C3+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FiL5czKcqQjPSRwF/Os5RRw1SakHvj/E/ALV2bMrI9IBFVBQRaZbtfw3F+bpB06Hy0 CukEV/HrO1cC/jo8yACUthgquBFkaXrqBsWV4NFTS6/r9X4t5RQ7MytPC25Ilh6x4wq4 u4KBH/pXBNYJ4EHsufHcAZ/GTk5BlcCrme+58= Received: by 10.102.218.5 with SMTP id q5mr3009523mug.41.1229352967673; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.169.16 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:56:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812150656q63e06959o5fe2006592cd8152@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:56:07 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" In-Reply-To: <877i61pttt.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081214201727.393cbcdf@anthesphoria.net> <20081215022246.B50734@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4ad871310812141736x3d5b10ao55658acff55a58d1@mail.gmail.com> <21007145.post@talk.nabble.com> <87d4fu18ih.fsf@kobe.laptop> <18757.53108.118667.585355@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4ad871310812141940j2a8477fai3101c9bd9f33591d@mail.gmail.com> <18757.53972.437289.439136@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081215071738.GA1440@comcast.net> <877i61pttt.fsf@kobe.laptop> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:56:09 -0000 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:17:38 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: >> The conversations on ports@ seem to be mostly concerned with the needs >> of port maintainers rather than the users of ports. If you have >> problems getting a port to build or a package added, it feels like the >> right place to get help. >> >> But I'm not sure whether it's the place for questions that come up after >> the initial install. questions@ seems to be the place for those. > > I think you got that right. lists.freebsd.org says: > > freebsd-ports Porting software to FreeBSD > freebsd-questions User questions > > It's nice to have a list for people who are *porting* software, but the > list for general `user questions' is here. > I certainly agree, and hope every time Wojciech posts "NTG" or "OT" the OP's thread doesn't get turned into a flamewar on "Where this post should go.". -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 15:45:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8D51065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from typhoon.enabled.com (typhoon.enabled.com [216.218.220.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6378FC21 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Received: from [172.23.8.177] (nat-service4.juniper.net [66.129.225.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by typhoon.enabled.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFFjPkF026413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:45:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin2@enabled.com) Message-ID: <49467B90.7020004@enabled.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:45:20 -0800 From: Noah User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4945BF22.7030606@enabled.com> <8763lm189r.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4945D461.7070406@enabled.com> <873agpptkn.fsf@kobe.laptop> <494662A6.3050001@enabled.com> <20081215151101.1fed6be8.freebsd@edvax.de> <49466648.7080901@enabled.com> <20081215153203.d2cefe4c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081215153203.d2cefe4c.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: control character file names X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:45:32 -0000 > Sorry for being to briefly. > > 1. > > The Midnight Commander is a curses based file manager that might > be a workaround for the problem you can't solve using Emacs at > the moment. It can be installed via ports or (more simple) from > packages using "pkg_add -r mc". The command to run it is "mc". > > > > 2. > > PF6 (or F6) refers to the programmable function key number 6 > which has the function to move or rename files (in the Midnight > Commander). > > By the way, for deleting a directory, PF8 (or F8) - Delete - can > be useful. I'm not sure if the MC can be troubled by control > characters in filenames, but up to this point, I found nothing > the MC couldn't delete anyway. :-) > > > > I hope I didn't explain too stupidly, I don't want to sound > impolite. Of course I cannot assume anyone to know what a > Midnight Commander is or what PF keys (IBM and robotron > terminology) are... > > > > cool - that worked. thanks for the verbosity :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:01:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE3F1065678 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rms@gnu.org) Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B218FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rms@gnu.org) Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LCDed-0001OK-UC; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:38:35 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard M Stallman To: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> (message from Mark Kirkwood on Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:12:40 +1300) References: <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:38:35 -0500 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:35:01 +0000 Cc: miod@online.fr, ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com, misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, licensing@fsf.org, fedora-list@redhat.com, announce@fsfeurope.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, mharrow@linuxmail.org, claire.newman@canonical.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPL version 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:01:07 -0000 I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. You have it right. Copyleft licenses defend freedom for all users by stopping middlemen from stripping it away. We have no plans for a version 4 of the GNU GPL. It might happen some day, but we are not working on it. As of now, we do not need to change GPL version 3. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 17:50:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480351065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A608FC1E for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:50:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFHo5ej055856; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:50:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFHo4Vt055853; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:50:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:50:04 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20081215150931.dbc8ea64.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20081215184718.P55852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081215150931.dbc8ea64.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Uptime logging with (maybe) ppp's log functionality X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:50:32 -0000 > > I'm going to setup a system with a dial-up modem for sporadic > Internet access; a provider that charges per second online time > is used. Is there a way ppp (which is used for dialing) can log > the online time (or at least the connection's start and stop time) > so the costs can be calculated? option a: simply make a script (say ppp-bill.sh) that will browse through logs and search for lines indicating connection and disconnect option b: you may put anything to /etc/ppp/ppp.link{up,down} scripts, for example linkup could record current time, then linkdown substract it from what linkup recorded, multiply by price and you have logged how much each connection cost you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 17:56:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDCC1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:56:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056108FC17 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBFHuI9S009932; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:56:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E56A7BA8E; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:56:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:56:17 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Gennady Kudryashoff Message-ID: <20081215175617.GA61416@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 rl0 watchdog timeout with custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:56:20 -0000 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:31:16AM +0300, Gennady Kudryashoff wrote: > Hello, all! >=20 > I have Asus X51RL laptop with FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 installed. > There were no troubles with GENERIC kernel, but when I've compiled custom= kernel, rl ethernet driver tells to the console a lot of errors: >=20 > rl0: link state changed to UP > rl0: watchdog timeout > rl0: watchdog timeout >=20 > Any mistake? Have you looked at the manual page for this driver? (try running 'man rl' in a (x-)terminal). I quote: rl%d: watchdog timeout The device has stopped responding to the netwo= rk, or there is a problem with the network connection (cable). I recently dumped an rl based card because it didn't work properly (upload speed sucked). Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGmkEACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWI7ACfbZXdSMEQqI8wYFdwB4L0Lmx7 rYAAoIk2y4ZHej5vWfVFBQS1/kGDN66J =02r/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 18:26:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC49106567A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:26:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C6F8FC26 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:26:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so573730qwb.7 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:26:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=k8NH8xKMTl9RPAYNPM12FUC80QCldk2ufpqDsipur8o=; b=Hs/s/4YYDhkk7EHSdFvWbgX3JHLuLd0I/2CIy7GykD8Q0ZxAQ8CmAgTc++KAKcukGP gqDHmvU0gMt/7bQnnfRsYNbZcoNcnKOS26P+m5NrzUdtW/3+MqNdmfRue/0gsodh+KsV krOUzaVUY28jduQAj2RaY+2BHSEkLLqnB+P1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cNrTBsjU7TG5h8tyDDUWVL7vUOrc9fai7oj4bxo7aIw3hd5qKptwh0Q3a9gJ24bVkp Ttm+i7KtwQDsMpR661oHunAvK0+Q2I+5CBY9vnGOHy1qohYgN3Q0T75TYLG8grSvskXY 0UWIy0pry2uNQzsR7iQmTkwfxHkeWpEOhHRHI= Received: by 10.214.218.19 with SMTP id q19mr7971017qag.164.1229363806547; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.150.7 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:56:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d7dd86f0812150956i3a8d130ak8a4ca462896cd3ff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:56:46 +1100 From: "David N" To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Running rsnapshot via cron reboots the machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:26:28 -0000 Hi, I have a machine AMD Sepron LE-1150 ASUS M2A-VM 1GB RAM ECC 2x SATA 300GB in a RAID 1 (gmirror). 7.0-RELEASE-p2 AMD64 generic kernel it was doing backups via bacula to an external disk USB 2.0 SATA disk, and it was working well. (GLabel) /dev/ufs/BackupDisk I changed to rsnapshot recently, with the External HDD in glabel + gjournal (/dev/da0s1.journal -> /dev/ufs/BackupDisk) and it will reboot the machine roughly 30 minutes after the rsnapshot starts via CRON. If i run rsnapshot without CRON, eg. via the command line it works fine. (I'm compiling the new kernel p6 whilst doing an rsnapshot via the command line) I have changed the time it does the rsnapshot, from 3AM (reboots at 3:30-3:40AM roughly) to 4:30AM (reboots at 5AM roughly). So its nothing running on the system doing it. If i remove the rsnapshot from the CRON, the computer stays on and doesn't reboot. Its not the power supply, and the computer is on a UPS and the UPS log hasn't reported any blackouts. (There are 2 other servers that doesn't turn off so its not a blackout). I left gstat and top running L(q) ops/s r/s kBps ms/r w/s kBps ms/w %busy Name 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| acd0 0 125 125 4164 5.5 0 0 0.0 29.9| ad4 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| ad4s1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| ad4s2 0 125 125 4164 5.6 0 0 0.0 30.5| ad4s3 34 142 71 9079 9.4 71 8697 212.0 99.3| da0 34 142 71 9079 9.6 71 8697 213.5 99.3| da0s1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| da0s1c 7 135 71 9079 9.7 64 8184 33.0 85.1| da0s1.journal 0 125 125 4164 9.2 0 0 0.0 39.8| ad6 7 135 71 9079 9.7 64 8184 36.2 91.9| ufs/BackupDisk 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| ad6s1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| ad6s2 0 125 125 4164 9.3 0 0 0.0 40.4| ad6s3 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| mirror/gm0s1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| mirror/gm0s2 0 125 125 8328 9.9 0 0 0.0 43.9| mirror/gm0s3 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| mirror/gm0s1a 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| mirror/gm0s1b 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| mirror/gm0s1c 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| mirror/gm0s1d 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| mirror/gm0s2c 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| mirror/gm0s2d 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0| mirror/gm0s3c 0 125 125 8328 10.2 0 0 0.0 45.2| mirror/gm0s3d last pid: 18829; load averages: 0.29, 0.45, 0.50 up 1+01:31:23 05:01:50 64 processes: 1 running, 63 sleeping CPU states: 16.5% user, 0.0% nice, 25.2% system, 3.0% interrupt, 55.3% idle Mem: 69M Active, 436M Inact, 395M Wired, 44M Cache, 108M Buf, 3944K Free Swap: 2048M Total, 308K Used, 2048M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU COMMAND 18634 root 1 -4 0 15224K 2244K getblk 0:45 9.47% rsync 18633 root 1 98 0 18296K 4576K select 0:45 4.69% rsync 18375 root 1 8 0 20556K 8412K wait 7:20 0.00% perl 4447 root 1 -64 0 7656K 2036K RUN 1:21 0.00% top 4321 root 1 8 0 11784K 2008K nanslp 0:45 0.00% gstat 18627 root 1 96 0 15224K 2596K select 0:36 0.00% rsync 4219 evxadmin 1 96 0 32936K 3220K select 0:07 0.00% sshd 3800 evxadmin 1 96 0 32936K 3164K select 0:06 0.00% sshd 18629 root 1 96 0 32868K 3964K select 0:04 0.00% sshd 18628 root 1 96 0 23764K 7664K select 0:04 0.00% ssh 851 root 1 96 0 12476K 1832K select 0:04 0.00% nmbd 1788 root 1 96 0 10576K 2812K select 0:02 0.00% sendmail 1147 root 1 96 0 24456K 2404K select 0:01 0.00% nmbd 1346 root 1 96 0 22224K 2504K select 0:01 0.00% nmbd 3957 evxadmin 1 96 0 32936K 3220K select 0:01 0.00% sshd 1800 root 1 8 0 5736K 1032K nanslp 0:01 0.00% cron 1754 root 1 8 0 5736K 980K nanslp 0:00 0.00% cron 1557 root 1 8 0 5736K 980K nanslp 0:00 0.00% cron 1387 root 1 8 0 5736K 980K nanslp 0:00 0.00% cron 1192 root 1 8 0 5736K 980K nanslp 0:00 0.00% cron 4646 root 1 96 0 36968K 4892K select 0:00 0.00% smbd 775 root 1 96 0 4684K 1064K select 0:00 0.00% syslogd Nothing else seems to be running. Its driving me insane! any help would be appreciated. smart says the HDD are fine. Regards David N From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 18:32:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C231065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C1C8FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793235C22; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:36:36 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4946A2AA.5020903@hdk5.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:32:10 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <49453A7A.1030701@highperformance.net> <20081214231618.Q50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081214231618.Q50235@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd general questions Subject: Re: Disk Errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:32:11 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> ad2: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out LBA=0 >> ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1 >> ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (0 retries left) LBA=1 >> >> The flash drive is detected with 3940272 sectors. Is there a way to >> control the LBA= parameter? Does it matter if I try? > no. > >> >> How can I control the number of retries? >> >> I read that FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS at least for CHS. Does >> FreeBSD use the BIOS for PIO and UDMA modes? > no. > > try disabling dma with > > set hw.ata.ata_dma=0 > > bootloader command > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Aloha, Wojciech, could be on the right track. I have recently had to do this on several different FreeBSd server boxes to stop these errors. Both current FreeBSD 7 and 8 have done this. Hardware didnt seem to matter. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 19:29:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83691065676 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E058FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 5814 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 19:29:35 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Dec 2008 19:29:35 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 51A9F50826; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:29:33 -0500 (EST) To: Da Rock References: <1229202715.18610.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:29:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1229202715.18610.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> (Da Rock's message of "Sun\, 14 Dec 2008 07\:11\:55 +1000") Message-ID: <443agpp78i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firebird client fails port install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:29:37 -0000 Da Rock writes: > I'm trying to install php5-extensions (which includes firebird), but its > failing with an error code 1 on firebird20-client. It does mention > running make to build firebird, but not as root. So I've tried > everything to get this to work: running make as my wheel group user, > installing as a pkg instead. > > What could I be missing? > > (And before anybody asks: I ran portsnap fetch update twice yesterday - > and I did run the update. I've learnt my lesson from last time...) Unless you set variables to put the work directory somewhere non-standard, the ports system will try to do its building under each port's directory, which is normally not writable by regular users. Similarly, installing a port (or a package, for the same reasons) normally requires root permissions for access to system directories and in many cases to let programs installed by ports run as special-purpose users. What is the reason you're trying to install ports as a different user? -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 19:41:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C61A1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CB98FC20 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 11866 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 19:41:38 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Dec 2008 19:41:38 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 05B1350826; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:41:37 -0500 (EST) To: Gennady Kudryashoff References: From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:41:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Gennady Kudryashoff's message of "Mon\, 15 Dec 2008 10\:31\:16 +0300") Message-ID: <44y6yhns3y.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 rl0 watchdog timeout with custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:41:39 -0000 Gennady Kudryashoff writes: > Hello, all! > > I have Asus X51RL laptop with FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 installed. > There were no troubles with GENERIC kernel, but when I've compiled custom kernel, rl ethernet driver tells to the console a lot of errors: > > rl0: link state changed to UP > rl0: watchdog timeout > rl0: watchdog timeout > > Any mistake? The rl driver supports some really terrible hardware, so I'm far from convinced that your custom kernel is causing the problems. Perhaps you could check by switching back to a GENERIC kernel for a while. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:09:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98AC106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:09:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5F08FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:09:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBFKATHv081259 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:10:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:09:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:09:52 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: questions about some archive files, type *.rar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:09:56 -0000 guys, last friday i found a public domain "DVD-ROM" of books available for free d/l. turns out there were 13 huge files in rar files. I have all. can these be catted together and the "unrar"d to form the original? Oh: there was another version using bit-torrent, but that was taking a long LONG time and stalled, so next time is a question about this stuff. note that the torrent file was also in *rar format, so i'm back to the original quandry... if anybody knows what an rar file is, would you please hit me up with a clue or two? tia, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:14:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAF31065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-136.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-136.bluehost.com [67.222.39.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A87F48FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 27789 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:14:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ldg999P01918iQPwZkvlMMw/U7a02KALoGCQLZXqSLgIAN6IL3RJ9QLiRfkfMuyRFRzZg+siC5EuzhADk5Or1sL8bkx0uHEauS/qM3VhmPqSLnmA9kRNjavAjPeyPGxG; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCJps-0005VX-Jr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:14:37 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:14:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:14:08 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215201408.GB60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213133151.5d833c1c@gom.home> <20081213224710.Q44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215061706.GG5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215125319.N53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8GpibOaaTibBMecb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215125319.N53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:14:37 -0000 --8GpibOaaTibBMecb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >>and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that moderator's > >>job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. NOTHING else. > > > >As long as neither you, nor anyone that thinks like you, is in charge of > >moderation, it might not be a *complete* disaster. > > > of course it should be you to remove all my posts:) I wouldn't remove all your posts. You've said five or six things that were on-topic. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Friedrich Nietzche: "Those who know that they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity." --8GpibOaaTibBMecb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGupAACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVTlACePp01L9Eg+gfn4B11COBDw2Ra MJYAoKyq7Y7tj3/uB84vWt0Bi+f+3OdU =s13c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8GpibOaaTibBMecb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:16:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F2D1065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDAF8FC1B for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so2936737wfg.7 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:16:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=AblQdnFBVJGS/ewxU/GflH4dx9S82cUXzbJ2bVjaK7A=; b=WRgE6bSp39PIq6sAoLFtHYEyeMrlDZhiddcCzem3pcTF2pUFUhemZBKImrryM3cgJv wiS6ER1jXeTpG+MG644udPQEl0XsJZEQhxh5Znt+d3L4ftttJ/bOTwRJwig+QZN7NJV8 pQqXpeWXBuM9GrTFeMwjpytDCl3CQ7iCKU9Hg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ktZiYpEVb7r3nSTZcyb1tPXx3zqXsmOKRgP47gySa0ITORll7woIr8LdBL6WB4RiK0 Aw1A4cdyuuoxRs0lgyxVZxOn0yCBVd9hQEsGZybog+is7kegg0aORksJDi3nSmBTYdNn feiH0nqL7PSPO08KEKZDlvUEPzhXBwAIQ2SGY= Received: by 10.143.3.7 with SMTP id f7mr2936328wfi.92.1229372212458; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.132.16 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:16:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:16:52 -0500 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: "Gary Kline" In-Reply-To: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions about some archive files, type *.rar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:16:53 -0000 just use "unrar" under archivers in ports collection. dont have to cat all the rar files together, "unrar" can un-compress it in sequence and generate the original files. TFC On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > guys, > > last friday i found a public domain "DVD-ROM" of books available > for free d/l. turns out there were 13 huge files in rar files. > I have all. can these be catted together and the "unrar"d to form > the original? > > Oh: there was another version using bit-torrent, but that was taking > a long LONG time and stalled, so next time is a question about this > stuff. note that the torrent file was also in *rar format, so i'm back to > the original quandry... > > if anybody knows what an rar file is, would you please hit me up with > a clue or two? > > tia, > > gary > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:19:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA0C1065676 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com [69.89.20.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE16F8FC17 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 4795 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:19:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=SOTin1HImPBgik0l50cxjBiXNUQUzjud1gc9/fRUVngDTmH9jHpym9IIcUgqNygge6fmAwmi6bRnOZ1l6qLdBW50CjuabxlXrhBo/L7bCqayLCq4XWiSDHkE/HcsYWH0; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCJuF-0007Br-Ig for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:19:07 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:18:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:18:39 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215201839.GD60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215120635.GC22666@jagger.subvert.org.uk> <20081215131617.O53532@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UoPmpPX/dBe4BELn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215131617.O53532@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:19:09 -0000 --UoPmpPX/dBe4BELn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:16:23PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting > >>moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic! > > > >Group topic? As far as I can tell, the topic is "user questions" >=20 > about FreeBSD Apparently you haven't noticed, but it doesn't say "about the FreeBSD Base System." --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth H. L. Mencken: "In this world of sin and sorrow, there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." --UoPmpPX/dBe4BELn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGu58ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWJVACgrtMPEaxcHtvQPAfoTD3nLi68 fYwAnjr2shn/Thh468WGW393U2ydUfvn =PdA2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UoPmpPX/dBe4BELn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:20:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EDA1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-315.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-315.bluehost.com [67.222.54.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C36F58FC2F for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 3412 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:10:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=efoVXyWXQ1dLtnt3c9+5XPCH0wKCOxhAL2LFTpl4tcX8ByK2kmzuv4/7zGYaY/0oGbBDUnEYpm30Bl/FQN7EBaqwbJ41cy+oFOzuf3lO40micF35gAINzXKSHsOF53rS; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCJnp-0004j1-KX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:12:29 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:12:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:12:01 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215201201.GA60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> <1229218767.18610.39.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215022131.GB5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229336056.1647.23.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229336056.1647.23.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:20:16 -0000 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:14:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 19:21 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > >=20 > > > Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school th= an > > > grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and > > > experience in how *nix in general works on something a little easier > > > (for MIB lovers: noisy cricket), then move up to the big guns. > >=20 > > Why not send them to something like DesktopBSD or PC-BSD, or even > > FreeSBIE (if that project is still around)? If they go to some chintzy > > user-obsequious Linux distribution like PCLinuxOS first, they'll just > > have more stuff to unlearn *if* it ever occurs to them to give some BSD > > Unix variant a try -- and if they haven't been poisoned against BSD Unix > > systems by GNU/FSF propaganda in the meantime. > >=20 >=20 > I doubt it. Knowing how linux works, they'll get sick of its layout and > config and appreciate the BSD way once they get the hang of handling > *nix methods. The hardware issues are across all those BSD platforms, > which makes it tougher for newbies coming from the handfed world. > Unlearning is _real_ easy when the config and layout is shit. Tell that to the uncountable hordes of dedicated Linux users who don't know what they're missing and, as such, see no reason to even give FreeBSD a try. >=20 > As for the GNU philosophy, consider Ubuntu popularity versus Fedora. > Fedora takes "the high road", and Ubuntu allows the users to subscribe > to extra repositories of software- guess which users prefer? The threads > for these arguments on the Fedora list exceed even this one in length! > FreeBSD ports- you can install pretty much whatever license type in > software you want, as long as someone has setup a port for it. Users > consider THAT freedom. So, we end up splitting the potential FreeBSD users between Ubuntu and Fedora with more of them going to Ubuntu because not quite as many become faithful members of the GPL flock. Great. I take it you don't actually talk to Ubuntu users much, too. Lots of them are deeply invested in this copyleft thing. You don't have to use "nonfree software" to use Ubuntu, y'know. >=20 > Plus, if you compile your own software there is a clear place to install > it, not wandering in confusion between /usr, /opt, /usr/local, and any > other variation of these (and maybe more...). >=20 > I think freebsd is great, but if you haven't clue about *nix don't waste > time- get some bearings first on a simple similar system which offers > more user friendly features and all the cli stuff, then try the real > thing. Don't worry- those worth their salt will return, the rest will > stay where they're happy. That's why I'd recommend PC-BSD first, for most new Unix users. As an example contrary to your own, it took me *years* to get around to trying out FreeBSD once I got into Linux-land -- and someone only slightly less interested in getting out from under the GPL than I was, in the same circumstances, might *never* give it a try. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Marvin Minsky: ". . . anyone could learn Lisp in 1 day, except that if they already knew Fortran, it would take 3 days." --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGuhEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWhnACgtc6bTU1iPcIutHPgH84N3Ij2 fbwAoPpVH1fcp5JwSgeSlPQYqJ9LqzAA =yIDi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:23:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612E21065677 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-144.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-144.bluehost.com [67.222.38.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CE2B8FC14 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 11608 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:22:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ZJLXkSw5+YJZFhEueyV8hYFvu3dXFwdSwLDa96/cKqofWg9M1tJeD8qrki8Cx7tpdHdHbqlzTpdDhVwRnbS7H7xHAYLwj5WsWs1kLkbwaga/WreDuykRsKmPOhXhy/gf; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCJy9-0008Sz-Tn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:23:10 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:22:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:22:41 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215202241.GE60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87bpvdpoxv.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081215141229.G53793@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Dzs2zDY0zgkG72+7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215141229.G53793@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:23:10 -0000 --Dzs2zDY0zgkG72+7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:13:03PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>That's THAT simple, unless you like it to be more complicated. > > > >No there isn't. > > > >The freebsd-newbies list has been merged with freebsd-questions for > >several years now. > > > >You could have easily verified this by following the link to: > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > sorry, i was sure it exist, but wasn't aware because i never wanted to=20 > subscribe to freebsd-newbies. Funny -- I read you suggesting that it might exist, and wanted to go sign up for it so I could help out. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Thomas McCauley: "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out." --Dzs2zDY0zgkG72+7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGvJEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUo4QCfdl5lvXUVIkt9yEihs6GuKIkE 8BwAnjPa8DQNWtCzdcRcGhQvYJmbPOYo =Htxn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Dzs2zDY0zgkG72+7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:23:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8BF106567A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-315.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-315.bluehost.com [67.222.54.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF94B8FC1E for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 16142 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:15:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=lyQ0zxt5ZGxbP9oCuRXW3DqlN1mCmY7aeVcnsccjwPFsgzO1pnzlowohTKpj0WB8GbO2wRqK3xKvNxd5krwvxAVRkeOBH1g8D2UfYjJocU/XA5r1ao3ar1O1hwpBrARz; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCJsb-0006bl-Qt for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:17:26 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:16:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:16:57 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215201657.GC60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081213213446.K44622@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215061521.GF5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124954.D53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215124954.D53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:23:50 -0000 --0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:01PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >That might be a valid concern if your notion of "off topic" didn't > >include things that pretty much everyone else seems to think is on topic > >enough to fit into this list. >=20 > do we have to start deciding what's "on-topic" by voting? > congratulations.... > > > >> > >>i don't mean moderation like removing one opinions and not others. But > >>removing off-topic messages, that are 95% now or more. > > > >1. When moderation is increased, so too are false positives -- like > >removing statements of opinion that shouldn't be removed. >=20 > there are always false positives. but everything is better than=20 > "democracy"=3Dwhat most say is right is considered right. I never said we should vote on everything -- you just decided to magic that up out of thin air. Have fun with that. > > > >2. Your idea of "off topic" seems to include stuff relevant to FreeBSD. >=20 > not revelant. will you start support my program just because it can be=20 > compiled on FreeBSD? it's nonsense. >=20 > so stop supporting third party non-freebsd specific software just because= =20 > it can be compiled under FreeBSD!! the point: ------------------------> you: \O/ | / \ --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: "Just don't create a file called -rf." --0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGuzkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVu1gCfVsVA/yCY7umE2aXGc1tgdZCJ THQAoLs7sIInmR+kGKQGffNY7AGh1SFA =j1Pe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:24:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BFF1065686 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:24:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FA78FC26 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:24:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06A342E5 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:24:59 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215134908.P53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:24:13 +1000 Message-Id: <1229372653.1647.52.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:24:19 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:49 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing > > the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is > > freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the > > all-knowing handbook IS for newbies, people who probably won't > > understand the difference between third party and base. > > there is freebsd-newbies for this. > > this group is "freebsd-question" = questions about FreeBSD. > > That's THAT simple, unless you like it to be more complicated. Thats not where THE handbook sends them first, is it now? As you say RTFM. If you have a problem with this then you need to take it up with the FreeBSD Team. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:24:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FF41065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:24:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-107.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-107.bluehost.com [69.89.22.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 408588FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:24:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 2336 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:24:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=V1Hz2igqkPP9wKlu9iRu2PgmlZQyjdogGqvQdqGlhh4ZR/SAWUX0oi1ltSJwCULAy7+8RC4gjiDASzIC8UXzIxAWxPfXYwGATkzpkWQ/ZsoKdPpwnmplgKHDccnMjVEk; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCJzj-0000ZF-Ci for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:24:47 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:24:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:24:13 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215202413.GF60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215072529.48c6aa59@scorpio> <20081215134416.I53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GLp9dJVi+aaipsRk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215134416.I53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:24:48 -0000 --GLp9dJVi+aaipsRk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:44:41PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >>moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure" > >>simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and > >>louder will takeover, no matter if it make sense or not. > > > >Yes, and you have gone a long way in proving just that point. Your > >narrow minded, inability to accept anyone else's opinions that are even > >slightly ajar of your own preconceived concepts are a perfect example > >of your inability to work and play well with others. >=20 > just because my opinion is other than yours :) I think you have that backwards. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth James Madison: "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." --GLp9dJVi+aaipsRk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGvO0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKW6UgCgn5BA9WIjUnoGoBmlJkmtl7hb lwwAniBbE9qaEkWFfZfadzafB6A9agfQ =esrC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GLp9dJVi+aaipsRk-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:32:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106F010656DF for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-136.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-136.bluehost.com [67.222.39.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D01078FC27 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 15108 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:32:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=kea1HF6syGyHYmDnzx8U7E/xbM4cRpE8EQ0BqhGCkKIOBrZ0nd+G90ypnjkBVQbWczbiv2zCebxSVDxi3dJ/w2+rkNluEhIP510tktT2fiVFPQuSqZaELt83RE+Y1kGV; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCK7H-00034I-Ua for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:32:36 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:32:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:32:07 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215203207.GG60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212181148.GD36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212110745.7657ff59@gom.home> <20081212211111.GD37185@kokopelli.hydra> <4942D5C0.9060307@gmail.com> <20081212223549.F5340@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213093425.GG39031@kokopelli.hydra> <71959979-E03D-454E-A637-29E46BC2D2E4@rgbaz.eu> <20081214164650.I49671@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215063454.GJ5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215125453.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GUPx2O/K0ibUojHx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215125453.U53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:32:36 -0000 --GUPx2O/K0ibUojHx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:06:58PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > base system: nothing appropriate > > > >Maybe what we need isn't for you to keep complaining about 70% of the > >very helpful list traffic, >=20 > helpful for whom? >=20 > >thus producing another 5% of the list traffic > >yourself (directly, and indirectly through annoyed responses to you), but > >for someone to come up with a base-system@freebsd.org list where you can > >hang out and be happy. > > > seems you actively like this mailing list to become big shit. > You WELL know what i am talking about, and you just play with words. Ah -- so now you accuse me of maliciousness. How much worse can your "contributions" to this list get? >=20 > Because i AM very much feared about FreeBSD future not being like lots of= =20 > other free software project, i will do everything to take all idiots,=20 > winusers, "students" that want comparision between different OS in few=20 > words (because they was required at school), questions about one of=20 > million of non-freebsd specific software, stupid discussion about=20 > windoze-like bloatware running under unix etc. etc. >=20 > I really don't care about your opinion, just because it's THE ONLY GOOD= =20 > UNIX LEFT IN THE WORLD now! >=20 > There was linux many years ago, yes - less functional, but WELL DONE, the= y=20 > f...ked it up by quickly adding every stupid features requested. I still haven't figured out why you think that answering questions about DNS on FreeBSD or looking for ways to improve driver support would equate to "adding every stupid features [sic] requested." >=20 > Then i switched to NetBSD, that worked excellent up to 1.5,=20 > and then got f..ked up even more than linux when started to be sponsored= =20 > by "wasabisystems" and possibly other funny companies. They even changed= =20 > the way versions are numbered to get higher numbers faster ;) Did it really get screwed up, or did you just decide it *must* be getting screwed up because development was sponsored? >=20 > Now i'm using FreeBSD and it got better each version. > Really better, not "better". A lot of people would disagree with you about the 5.x releases, judging by what I've read. By all accounts, though, it got back on track. I wonder if NetBSD got better again after you left, if it ever got worse in the first place. >=20 > And i really want to keep it that way, because there is no alternative=20 > now! --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth William Gibson: "The future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed." --GUPx2O/K0ibUojHx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGvscACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUXmACggrRnnN+H9weCbZ5Uo7KzGYNq 8iUAnRlplxw1tvdGQAIPEX4OSzZqII5r =XzYu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GUPx2O/K0ibUojHx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:34:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94861065677 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from bsdevel.alaskaparadise.com (bsdevel.alaskaparadise.com [208.86.224.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AD18FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from stargate.alaskaparadise.com (52-32-237-24.gci.net [24.237.32.52]) by bsdevel.alaskaparadise.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B4028E1B8D; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:34:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Beech Rintoul To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:34:20 -0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.1.3; i386; ; ) References: <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215125319.N53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215201408.GB60187@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20081215201408.GB60187@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812151134.20253.> Cc: Chad Perrin Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:34:22 -0000 On Monday 15 December 2008 11:14:08 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >>and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that > > >> moderator's job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. > > >> NOTHING else. > > > > > >As long as neither you, nor anyone that thinks like you, is in charge of > > >moderation, it might not be a *complete* disaster. > > > > of course it should be you to remove all my posts:) > > I wouldn't remove all your posts. You've said five or six things that > were on-topic. Guys, enough! This thread is starting to spam the list. Please take this to freebsd-chat or off list. Thanks, Beech From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:37:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CC11065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD6A8FC08 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:37:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0EB4309 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:38:14 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <443agpp78i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <1229202715.18610.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <443agpp78i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:37:18 +1000 Message-Id: <1229373442.1647.57.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Firebird client fails port install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:37:34 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 14:29 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Da Rock writes: > > > I'm trying to install php5-extensions (which includes firebird), but its > > failing with an error code 1 on firebird20-client. It does mention > > running make to build firebird, but not as root. So I've tried > > everything to get this to work: running make as my wheel group user, > > installing as a pkg instead. > > > > What could I be missing? > > > > (And before anybody asks: I ran portsnap fetch update twice yesterday - > > and I did run the update. I've learnt my lesson from last time...) > > Unless you set variables to put the work directory somewhere non-standard, > the ports system will try to do its building under each port's directory, > which is normally not writable by regular users. Similarly, installing a > port (or a package, for the same reasons) normally requires root > permissions for access to system directories and in many cases to let > programs installed by ports run as special-purpose users. > > What is the reason you're trying to install ports as a different user? > Because the first stop error occurs and it says to run make to build firebird, but it also says "Please do not build firebird as 'root' because this may cause conflicts with SysV semaphores of running services." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:43:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0ADD106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-08.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-08.bluehost.com [69.89.17.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC0BF8FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 28595 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:43:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ZdokV6BJxWB4Ba7kM7DPux8RDfChUc42Nm5GWfHT3S3QMs4Dwfrd8DRsLyRPyJZvCA+9MGEPIEcSWfjRWnX8ymUmUiTe/J0uj9gW702zOyFkyzMKi/1JTC60D/+5At+E; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCKI3-0006qU-UR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:43:44 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:43:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:43:15 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215204315.GI60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zqjkMoGlbUJ91oFe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:43:45 -0000 --zqjkMoGlbUJ91oFe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted > > > above, is verboten. >=20 > Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is > patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be > no problem writing a driver for that h/w. OTOH if the algorithms > used in the driver are patented it would be an infringement to > reproduce them. I said anything covered by patent. If the software is not covered by patent, you're fine to write software. Be aware, though, that a lot of patents are intentionally written in a somewhat vague way so they can be extended via case law at a later date. Nothing is "legal" under the current US system unless you can defend it in civil court. That's my general rule of thumb. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth markinct @techrepublic.com: "Don't take anything you do on-line lightly. Caveat Clicker..." --zqjkMoGlbUJ91oFe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGwWMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXf4wCgjI6rnzAf/dS9dWpLqn2js/LB scIAoLOvXGSnT0yzwZmUixb0zv89sDOI =MAKH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zqjkMoGlbUJ91oFe-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:46:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96ECA1065676 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-315.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-315.bluehost.com [67.222.54.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 614A78FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 15347 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:36:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=eweBOEv/wwSy88ZcPhGX5+NvRCXqCMqeSpO9C0/+QpJj/x6SSmmKXwAMQdZgj+q8w7rzv2u4cHr7xWKE2u6TzsqcUzjfuGDP+RlyjaGmg5zkyY/i5u8/yuikxm3ma4c1; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCKDd-0005H8-L1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:39:09 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:38:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:38:41 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215203841.GH60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215064719.GL5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215130726.J53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ISKrrfpKsPiF35CV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215130726.J53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:46:58 -0000 --ISKrrfpKsPiF35CV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:08:18PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Actually, Pentium M processors may well be the best x86-compatible CPUs > >of their generation -- low power consumption relative to the competition, > >and the best performance per dollar in their class. Pentium 4, though, > >certainly sucks. >=20 > as having pentium-M laptop and pentium-4 server i can only say - you are= =20 > exactly right. >=20 > in real load my 1200Mhz laptop isn't much slower than 3Ghz pentium-4 =2E . . and my 1.73GHz Pentium M is faster than a 3GHz P4. I was pretty happy when I heard rumors Pentium was going to start offering tower system motherboards that accept Pentium M processors in 2003, but alas, they were just rumors. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Mediocrity corrupts. Bureaucracy corrupts absolutely. --ISKrrfpKsPiF35CV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGwFEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVJpwCeKCfgLMNVDIRoivyROTzfotqS CQUAoN/jfNFZUd4MiEwtzOfJWGlGW+xG =NRyE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ISKrrfpKsPiF35CV-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:49:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C96D1065689 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:49:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743768FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:49:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 20973 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 20:49:48 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Dec 2008 20:49:48 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 922A050826; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:49:46 -0500 (EST) To: Da Rock References: <1229202715.18610.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <443agpp78i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1229373442.1647.57.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:49:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1229373442.1647.57.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> (Da Rock's message of "Tue\, 16 Dec 2008 06\:37\:18 +1000") Message-ID: <44tz95noyd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firebird client fails port install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:49:50 -0000 Da Rock writes: > On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 14:29 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> Da Rock writes: >> >> > I'm trying to install php5-extensions (which includes firebird), but its >> > failing with an error code 1 on firebird20-client. It does mention >> > running make to build firebird, but not as root. So I've tried >> > everything to get this to work: running make as my wheel group user, >> > installing as a pkg instead. >> > >> > What could I be missing? >> > >> > (And before anybody asks: I ran portsnap fetch update twice yesterday - >> > and I did run the update. I've learnt my lesson from last time...) >> >> Unless you set variables to put the work directory somewhere non-standard, >> the ports system will try to do its building under each port's directory, >> which is normally not writable by regular users. Similarly, installing a >> port (or a package, for the same reasons) normally requires root >> permissions for access to system directories and in many cases to let >> programs installed by ports run as special-purpose users. >> >> What is the reason you're trying to install ports as a different user? >> > > Because the first stop error occurs and it says to run make to build > firebird, but it also says "Please do not build firebird as 'root' > because this may cause conflicts with SysV semaphores of running > services." I can't see exactly what's happening (partly because you didn't show the actual failure messages), but I do notice that php5-extensions can build without firebird. In fact, that's what it does by default, so you must have explicitly told it to build that. If you don't need it, you can go back in and set the php5-extensions port options to not include firebird, and you will avoid this particular problem. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:53:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9F51065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-315.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-315.bluehost.com [67.222.54.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07F658FC1B for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:53:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 6686 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:45:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Z1hO2aroWKM+E+9hEHxn4d/vU+wH1b7aZQamW1+RPls93YEVAlEs2Kyir+6QhE62BGEt5napr6BumGE5YbC4ZkSfvasGWkhOxVuBU+och4QdGvswNC7HSReO0GI3u6M+; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCKM7-0008FY-DL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:47:55 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:47:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:47:27 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215204726.GJ60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <1229344057.1647.49.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NgG1H2o5aFKkgPy/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229344057.1647.49.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:53:42 -0000 --NgG1H2o5aFKkgPy/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:27:30PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >=20 > If you have done your own research then the algorithms wouldn't > necessarily be the same- they'd nearly certainly be different, wouldn't > they? So isn't that the basis for the patent? A patent is a registration > of an idea. Two different ideas can still arrive at the same conclusion. Patents are often about methods, not algorithms. In fact, there's supposedly a restriction against algorithms being patented -- though of course lawmakers and people working at the patent office don't seem to know what an algorithm is, so algorithms do get patented all the time. Anyway . . . as it happens, patenting a "method" provides far more broad power than patenting an algorithm, anyway, in practice. That's one of the reason (software) patents are so damaging. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Reginald Braithwaite: "Nor is it as easy as piling more features on regardless of how well they fit or whether people will actually use them. Otherwise Windows would have 97% of the market and OS X 3%. (Oh wait.)" --NgG1H2o5aFKkgPy/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGwl4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKV/owCfepYsnuzwm92yPQ+NKJqKjLRv 7mIAoIC+U2XUq2WgAWMsNOqIwdGo074h =8E7O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NgG1H2o5aFKkgPy/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:55:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3591065676 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201AC8FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so3822165ewy.19 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:55:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=IXc9RFbMSwr27PzJ993XsHRxi+ED3mvizpLdmTjxm8Y=; b=vNHCNWsKhTUeFepGG9eFbg0Bwsuf+AC4L5N5WoMl4f//6O/JbL+6u4/OOWouC/VK6+ 47+VfLAovukXYLhvpSDzcRJeS5yO7bxdTLMqUlamElrWLwzYAXzDx6v46nzIEOevQne8 kzHMAt9weQCYI/UnMbq9YTqS531iWpNutWjys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=wrSUqoMB+ZNBZyPR/9MHtEy209+NinnJBNwvxDKAGzYt9e7CpgHjdQFDkD9NUwfSxV 6qs3L0y+BAjqUEsebhyCt75Bk+7OC/MvwTClax6IRSdmvXizn1kLUuHakT3ysHPoUc/0 pcqgmaSwWAi/qkz/YrxijmnWdA848Bfn+44sg= Received: by 10.210.10.8 with SMTP id 8mr3632344ebj.131.1229374524097; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.225.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm16481706ewy.94.2008.12.15.12.55.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:55:18 +0300 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:55:18 +0300 From: Jeff Laine To: Beech Rintoul Message-ID: <20081215205518.GA8447@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Beech Rintoul , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215125319.N53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215201408.GB60187@kokopelli.hydra> <200812151134.20253.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200812151134.20253.> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:55:25 -0000 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:34:20AM -0900, Beech Rintoul wrote: > On Monday 15 December 2008 11:14:08 Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:53:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >>and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that > > > >> moderator's job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. > > > >> NOTHING else. > > > > > > > >As long as neither you, nor anyone that thinks like you, is in charge of > > > >moderation, it might not be a *complete* disaster. > > > > > > of course it should be you to remove all my posts:) > > > > I wouldn't remove all your posts. You've said five or six things that > > were on-topic. > > Guys, enough! This thread is starting to spam the list. Please take this to > freebsd-chat or off list. > > Thanks, > > Beech Totally agree. :) -- Best regards, Jeff () X-mas ribbon campaign /\ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 21:05:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F00106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5878FC16 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd4ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.141]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2008 14:05:53 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=QM4UtpEegUgz4I3egQ0A:9 a=Sop0k4hiIGRco55FCKMA:7 a=XxPSS6TX3be6yBMEeJd-AoBo6-MA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd4ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2008 14:05:53 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6792C1701E for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:05:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:05:51 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215130551.15778f47@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081215072529.48c6aa59@scorpio> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215072529.48c6aa59@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:05:54 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:25:29 -0500 Jerry wrote: > Actually, I like your reference to 'Democracy'. Coming from a > socialist, the very thought of an open discussion on any matter that > does not fit in your narrow parameters would seem objectionable. > there are some serious problems with some people's conception of democracy. narrow parameters shouldn't be regarded as a bad thing necessarily. and openmindedness doesn't do much good if it results in a hole in one's head. > Might I suggest that we start with yours. I am all ready creating a > KILL filter to rid my INBOX of your useless diatribe. > i presume this means there will be no longer be insulting and angry comments directed at woj from you? like this one: > Furthermore, I believe that your are the reason that vendors are not > more interested in FreeBSD. How could any of them expect to reasonably > work with a narrow minded, opinionated, buffoon like you? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 21:07:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D02106567D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36288FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607B84351 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:08:23 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215204315.GI60187@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20081215204315.GI60187@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:07:36 +1000 Message-Id: <1229375257.1647.60.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:07:43 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted > > > > above, is verboten. > > > > Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is > > patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be > > no problem writing a driver for that h/w. OTOH if the algorithms > > used in the driver are patented it would be an infringement to > > reproduce them. > > I said anything covered by patent. If the software is not covered by > patent, you're fine to write software. Be aware, though, that a lot of > patents are intentionally written in a somewhat vague way so they can be > extended via case law at a later date. > > Nothing is "legal" under the current US system unless you can defend it > in civil court. That's my general rule of thumb. > That doesn't sound like a good system (US not yours) - how on earth did it get so screwed up? (Thats rhetorical btw, I don't mean to start a whole discussion on that topic on this list.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 21:10:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DD0106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF8E8FC21 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163D8435D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:11:09 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <44tz95noyd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <1229202715.18610.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <443agpp78i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1229373442.1647.57.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <44tz95noyd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:10:08 +1000 Message-Id: <1229375416.1647.63.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Firebird client fails port install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:10:28 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 15:49 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Da Rock writes: > > > On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 14:29 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > >> Da Rock writes: > >> > >> > I'm trying to install php5-extensions (which includes firebird), but its > >> > failing with an error code 1 on firebird20-client. It does mention > >> > running make to build firebird, but not as root. So I've tried > >> > everything to get this to work: running make as my wheel group user, > >> > installing as a pkg instead. > >> > > >> > What could I be missing? > >> > > >> > (And before anybody asks: I ran portsnap fetch update twice yesterday - > >> > and I did run the update. I've learnt my lesson from last time...) > >> > >> Unless you set variables to put the work directory somewhere non-standard, > >> the ports system will try to do its building under each port's directory, > >> which is normally not writable by regular users. Similarly, installing a > >> port (or a package, for the same reasons) normally requires root > >> permissions for access to system directories and in many cases to let > >> programs installed by ports run as special-purpose users. > >> > >> What is the reason you're trying to install ports as a different user? > >> > > > > Because the first stop error occurs and it says to run make to build > > firebird, but it also says "Please do not build firebird as 'root' > > because this may cause conflicts with SysV semaphores of running > > services." > > I can't see exactly what's happening (partly because you didn't show the > actual failure messages), but I do notice that php5-extensions can build > without firebird. In fact, that's what it does by default, so you must > have explicitly told it to build that. If you don't need it, you can go > back in and set the php5-extensions port options to not include > firebird, and you will avoid this particular problem. > I did that in the end, but that doesn't really solve the problem now does it? I'll take it up with ports and see if I can't figure out whats wrong... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 21:14:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B65B1065676 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C7F8FC30 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BFB4379 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:15:11 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215204726.GJ60187@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <1229344057.1647.49.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215204726.GJ60187@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:14:26 +1000 Message-Id: <1229375666.1647.67.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:14:30 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:47 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:27:30PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > > If you have done your own research then the algorithms wouldn't > > necessarily be the same- they'd nearly certainly be different, wouldn't > > they? So isn't that the basis for the patent? A patent is a registration > > of an idea. Two different ideas can still arrive at the same conclusion. > > Patents are often about methods, not algorithms. In fact, there's > supposedly a restriction against algorithms being patented -- though of > course lawmakers and people working at the patent office don't seem to > know what an algorithm is, so algorithms do get patented all the time. > > Anyway . . . as it happens, patenting a "method" provides far more broad > power than patenting an algorithm, anyway, in practice. That's one of > the reason (software) patents are so damaging. > I think I might take it up with my lawyer if I want to do something like this then. Seems like they've got it all wrapped up... My conclusion is that "it sucks and blows - something that shouldn't be physically possible". But that seems to be life atm :( (globally, not mine) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 20:51:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B33A1065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-107.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-107.bluehost.com [69.89.22.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 514D78FC22 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 7435 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 20:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:51:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=lihUvhf4IacncAxLZ/zeP3gvI6o8kmGL+mNg0+oA7SnQMV00q7lQj4yZO6sLP2n/NGsOxA3P2GRKynEUyjBx4bOLtPl6j2kVihwvBsgacDyOmWtnDcN7+FOM/KM0LqSZ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCKPf-0000zs-4C; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:51:35 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:51:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:51:05 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: Richard M Stallman Message-ID: <20081215205105.GK60187@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: Richard M Stallman , Mark Kirkwood , miod@online.fr, ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com, misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, licensing@fsf.org, fedora-list@redhat.com, announce@fsfeurope.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, mharrow@linuxmail.org, claire.newman@canonical.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9a9Vq1BJdYBEXpLG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:20:04 +0000 Cc: miod@online.fr, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com, misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mharrow@linuxmail.org, fedora-list@redhat.com, announce@fsfeurope.org, Mark Kirkwood , licensing@fsf.org, claire.newman@canonical.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPL version 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:51:36 -0000 --9a9Vq1BJdYBEXpLG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:38:35AM -0500, Richard M Stallman wrote: > I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be= =20 > freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedo= m. >=20 > You have it right. Copyleft licenses defend freedom for all users by > stopping middlemen from stripping it away. Please don't spam the FreeBSD list with such propaganda. That's a personal request -- I don't pretend to speak for the entire list. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Naguib Mahfouz: "You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions." --9a9Vq1BJdYBEXpLG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGwzkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKV9agCgzADZgMy0kLdeJmKtZQYrCY4f gQQAoOoCLR9LwDWp6Zf+ZTYEmXZ5RUfj =tG6m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9a9Vq1BJdYBEXpLG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 21:26:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4AC1065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:26:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728FF8FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 28487 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 21:25:33 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Dec 2008 21:25:33 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id EDB6650826; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:25:31 -0500 (EST) To: Da Rock References: <1229202715.18610.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <443agpp78i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1229373442.1647.57.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <44tz95noyd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1229375416.1647.63.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:25:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1229375416.1647.63.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> (Da Rock's message of "Tue\, 16 Dec 2008 07\:10\:08 +1000") Message-ID: <44ljuhnnas.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firebird client fails port install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:26:38 -0000 Da Rock writes: > On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 15:49 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> Da Rock writes: >> >> > On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 14:29 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> >> Da Rock writes: >> >> >> >> > I'm trying to install php5-extensions (which includes firebird), but its >> >> > failing with an error code 1 on firebird20-client. It does mention >> >> > running make to build firebird, but not as root. So I've tried >> >> > everything to get this to work: running make as my wheel group user, >> >> > installing as a pkg instead. >> >> > >> >> > What could I be missing? >> >> > >> >> > (And before anybody asks: I ran portsnap fetch update twice yesterday - >> >> > and I did run the update. I've learnt my lesson from last time...) >> >> >> >> Unless you set variables to put the work directory somewhere non-standard, >> >> the ports system will try to do its building under each port's directory, >> >> which is normally not writable by regular users. Similarly, installing a >> >> port (or a package, for the same reasons) normally requires root >> >> permissions for access to system directories and in many cases to let >> >> programs installed by ports run as special-purpose users. >> >> >> >> What is the reason you're trying to install ports as a different user? >> >> >> > >> > Because the first stop error occurs and it says to run make to build >> > firebird, but it also says "Please do not build firebird as 'root' >> > because this may cause conflicts with SysV semaphores of running >> > services." >> >> I can't see exactly what's happening (partly because you didn't show the >> actual failure messages), but I do notice that php5-extensions can build >> without firebird. In fact, that's what it does by default, so you must >> have explicitly told it to build that. If you don't need it, you can go >> back in and set the php5-extensions port options to not include >> firebird, and you will avoid this particular problem. >> > > I did that in the end, but that doesn't really solve the problem now > does it? I'll take it up with ports and see if I can't figure out whats > wrong... You'll want to provide more information if you do so. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 21:30:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD04106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEE98FC31 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd6ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.160]) by pd7mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2008 14:30:12 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=bESUlvB6FWTwZc7sACEA:9 a=t4hyBPvAaMoMntvunkEA:7 a=t4k70Dh8b8RYlUbZryGH0BeO770A:4 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd6ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2008 14:30:11 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0AF1701E for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:30:09 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215133009.55e7982f@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <200812151134.20253.> References: <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215125319.N53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215201408.GB60187@kokopelli.hydra> <200812151134.20253.> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:30:14 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:34:20 -0900 Beech Rintoul wrote: > Guys, enough! This thread is starting to spam the list. > i agree too at this point and apologize for some of my earlier contributions. it is clear there will probably be no resolution between the engaging parties of which a few seem to have lost self-discipline and have been reduced to hurling insults. (despite all this i am glad to see certain posts that were quite educational such as that patent discussion.) since giorgos has made it clear that the list is not moderated, it falls upon all of us to moderate ourselves and act in a reasonable and sensible manner - and stick to the topic at hand. as the zen saying goes "even a good thing is not as good as no thing", i think the best some of us can do is not post to this thread anymore. that is the action i will take (however tempting it may be to do otherwise). -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 21:40:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FCE1065678 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05318FC33 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd7ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.161]) by pd7mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2008 14:39:59 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=TNnrnuqMPNu6IMEw-64A:9 a=CP6zED3xfvbDUTpUjysA:7 a=urFnHxz9DEHKrJr_hH8Au6Eli7QA:4 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd7ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2008 14:39:59 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7921701E for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:39:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:39:57 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215133957.4ef356ec@gom.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: power management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:40:00 -0000 my son read somewhere that linux does better power management than freebsd. one specific item being that the cpu scaling is more efficiently handled. i don't know much about this stuff so i thought i'd ask here. 1. is there any accuracy to the statement? 2. is cpu scaling a kernel issue? if so, does this mean that the linux kernel has coding in it which deals with the scaling better? 3. are we comparing simple default kernels? can the fbsd kernel be recompiled appropriately to match or exceed the linux one? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 21:45:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346441065673 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:45:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from nagual.nl (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [82.74.10.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FF58FC17 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:45:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from westmark (westmark.nagual.nl [192.168.11.22]) by nagual.nl (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/yanta) with SMTP id mBFLkGLW022455 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:46:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:45:50 +0100 From: dick hoogendijk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20081215224550.381f921b.dick@nagual.nl> In-Reply-To: <20081215135020.F53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213205638.D44481@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215060452.GD5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215063932.03c6d0fa@scorpio> <20081215135020.F53651@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: de nagual X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.14.3; i386-pc-solaris2.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 192.168.11.35 Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:45:55 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:51:03 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement. > > > > There are users on this list who would love to see users of FBSD > > bound by an NDA so that they could not say anything these self > > appointed "CENSORS" consider verboten. > > you are excellent at messing things up. Look who's talking.. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv104 ++ + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 22:04:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91B2106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80ED8FC25 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LCLXo-0009j2-GC; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: <4946D452.2020104@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:04:02 -0500 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080726) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: raggen@raggens.net References: <4945035C.6040401@telia.com> <20081214132304.GA97385@free.bsd.loc> <49452D09.5030003@telia.com> In-Reply-To: <49452D09.5030003@telia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) Cc: Jeff Laine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:04:11 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roger Olofsson wrote: > > > Jeff Laine skrev: >> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:00:12PM +0100, Roger Olofsson wrote: >>> Dear mailing list, >>> >>> I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - >>> however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky >>> and gives referrer errors for me. >>> >>> Pre-conditions. >>> Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other >>> dynamical IP from ISP. >>> >>> Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from >>> a DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the >>> IP into /etc/hosts with a hostname? >>> >>> Reason for asking >>> Firewall rules needs refreshing after new IP >>> >>> Possible answers: >>> Create dhcp-exit-hooks (undocumented?) in /etc like so: >>> >>> #!/bin/sh >>> >>> if [ ! -z "$new_ip_address" ]; then >>> IP=`ifconfig WAN | grep 'inet' | grep -v 'inet6' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` >>> if [ ! -z "$IP" ]; then >>> echo "$IP wan.local.domain wan" >> /etc/hosts >>> >>> >>> >>> fi >>> fi >>> >> >> Hello. I think pf can handle with dhcp updates on interfaces pretty well. >> If only I get your question right. >> >> >> > > Hi Jeff and thank you for your reply, > > Yes, I know that pf will handle interfaces just fine, the question was > not specific to pf though but more around dhclient, dhclient-script and > the part of dhclient-script that calls the undocumented > dhclient-exit-hooks. > > It might be handy to have the external IP assigned to a hostname - not > only for pf. > > /R Hi Roger, I wrote a blog post about automatically configuring /etc/hosts with a DHCP dynamic IP address earlier this year: http://blog.sourcehosting.net/tag/dhcp/. You can download a ZIP file with the dhclient-exit-hook script in it near the bottom of the page. In my case, I also wrote some commands to update the Apache httpd.conf file with the correct ServerName directive. You can easily remove that from the script if you don't need it. If you need any assistance, let me know. Regards, Greg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklG1FEACgkQ0sRouByUApB1SACgmfJ4EtiyKdhyPgILZyc77Fxc gHMAnRGGBWIya0Fg314LyrJZq9tTZvbj =jHL5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 22:11:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC5D1065675 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:11:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D631D8FC29 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFMAodG056566; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:10:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFMAos7056563; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:10:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:10:49 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> Message-ID: <20081215222226.S56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions about some archive files, type *.rar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:11:01 -0000 > for free d/l. turns out there were 13 huge files in rar files. > I have all. can these be catted together and the "unrar"d to form > the original? don't cat. just unrar x unrar handles split archives From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 22:13:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BC71065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15FE8FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFMDcQH056577; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:13:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFMDcAX056574; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:13:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:13:38 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20081215201201.GA60187@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20081215231150.B56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> <1229218767.18610.39.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215022131.GB5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229336056.1647.23.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215201201.GA60187@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:13:53 -0000 > > So, we end up splitting the potential FreeBSD users between Ubuntu and > Fedora with more of them going to Ubuntu because not quite as many become very nice. after trying FreeBSD they WILL get back to linux (and then windows) quickly. Those who REALLY know they need something different, like high performance good plain unix, will move to FreeBSD sooner or later :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 22:14:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD4D106564A; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A288FC13; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFMEjVa056584; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:14:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFMEj1r056581; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:14:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:14:45 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Beech Rintoul In-Reply-To: <200812151134.20253.> Message-ID: <20081215231426.I56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215125319.N53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215201408.GB60187@kokopelli.hydra> <200812151134.20253.> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:14:59 -0000 > > Guys, enough! This thread is starting to spam the list. Please take this to > freebsd-chat or off list. OK i wont post on that anymore. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 22:18:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B801065676 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B7C8FC0C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp13.yandex.ru (smtp13.yandex.ru [77.88.32.83]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id B62E74C5541 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:56:56 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 93-13-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net ([92.113.13.93]:45324 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S5980274AbYLOV4o (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:56:44 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp13 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229378204 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 1 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp13.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:56:43 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 2 (High) Message-ID: <569944077.20081215235643@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Startup scipt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:18:18 -0000 , Questions. It there feature (option in rc.subr) to run multiple services at once? For example I have 'service' to run service with specific flags I want to do: service_enable="YES" service_instances="instance1 instance2" service_instance1_flags="-flag 1 rl0" service_instance2_flags="-flag 2 rl2" so rc.subr will run: service -flag 1 rl0 service -flag 2 rl2 It will be great to have this feature that will do all dirty work to run multiple services. So maintainers of startup scripts will be free to not to do next things: for interface in ${arpwatch_interfaces}; do if [ ! -e "${arpwatch_dir}/arp.${interface}.dat" ]; then if [ -e "${arpwatch_dir}/arp.${interface}.dat-" ]; then cp "${arpwatch_dir}/arp.${interface}.dat-" "${arpwatch_dir}/arp.${interface}.dat" else touch "${arpwatch_dir}/arp.${interface}.dat" fi fi done EXAMPLES: ipguard_enable="YES" ipguard_instances="rl0 rl1 rl2" ipguard_rl0_interface="rl0" #NOTICE: this instance are runned without flags ipguard_rl1_interface="rl1" ipguard_rl1_flags="-r -b 100 -f /etc/ethers" ipguard_rl2_interface="rl2" ipguard_rl2_flags="-u 300 -xz" proftpd_enable="YES" proftpd_instances="external internal" proftpd_external_flags="-c external.conf" proftpd_internal_flags="-c ftp_for_localnet.conf" I do not know will be or not feature to on/off some instance: for example: ipguard_rl2_enable="NO" proftpd_external_enable="NO" By default all instances are enabled because of if user add second instance it has first one already runned. And he add second instance because of it is not enough to have only one instance. So proftpd_enable="YES" will enable all instances proftpd_enable="NO" will disable all instances proftpd_external_enable="NO" will disable some instance For example: user run three instances, but now want to disable one of them. So it write __enable="NO" What do you think about this improvement? -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 22:21:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14011065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE90F8FC1C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFMKpnQ056617; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:20:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFMKpr7056614; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:20:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:20:51 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20081215133957.4ef356ec@gom.home> Message-ID: <20081215231835.Y56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081215133957.4ef356ec@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: power management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:21:01 -0000 > my son read somewhere that linux does better power management than > freebsd. one specific item being that the cpu scaling is more > efficiently handled. my friend told me that freebsd does it better ;) anyway it's just "been told", "somewhere" etc. to compare things we first need to set up a metric :) > i don't know much about this stuff so i thought i'd ask here. > > 1. is there any accuracy to the statement? > > 2. is cpu scaling a kernel issue? if so, does this mean that the linux > kernel has coding in it which deals with the scaling better? IMHO it depends on hardware and ACPI. maybe linux handles strange cases better maybe not. Simply - install linux, then FreeBSD on same machine and check it :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 22:22:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D88B1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from numail.brianwhalen.net (numail.brianwhalen.net [66.93.34.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D0A8FC22 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:22:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 321CA2854E; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:22:30 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on numail.brianwhalen.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (numail.brianwhalen.net [192.168.15.25]) by numail.brianwhalen.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C912852B for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:22:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4946D8A7.9050507@brianwhalen.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:22:31 -0800 From: Brian Whalen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> <1229218767.18610.39.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215022131.GB5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229336056.1647.23.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215201201.GA60187@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20081215201201.GA60187@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:22:32 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: > > Tell that to the uncountable hordes of dedicated Linux users who don't > know what they're missing and, as such, see no reason to even give > FreeBSD a try. > Many Linux people I know still think FreeBSD SMP sucks, that combined with a lack of journaling filesystem on BSD gives the Linux folks a small edge. I know ZFS is out there, but nor for that long yet on FreeBSD. Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 22:27:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC5A1065704 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126618FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:27:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFMR99e056639; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:27:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFMR994056636; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:27:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:27:09 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: KES In-Reply-To: <569944077.20081215235643@yandex.ru> Message-ID: <20081215232308.M56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <569944077.20081215235643@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Startup scipt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:27:19 -0000 > instance it has first one already runned. And he add second instance > because of it is not enough to have only one instance. So > proftpd_enable="YES" will enable all instances > proftpd_enable="NO" will disable all instances > proftpd_external_enable="NO" will disable some instance > > For example: user run three instances, but now want to disable one of > them. So it write __enable="NO" > > > What do you think about this improvement? it's EXCELLENT. when i needed this i simply started things from /etc/rc.local but then killing/restarting any of them required manually doing ps |grep, kill etc... please contribute patches. it will be very useful. make sure for every instance you can give different parameters. example - one machine services 2 customers in one building, has 2 ethernets (+1 for external traffic), and i would like to run 2 samba servers with configs: /usr/local/etc/smb-net1.conf /usr/local/etc/smb-net2.conf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 22:31:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8DE1065688 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:31:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B608FC1C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:31:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282664426 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:32:38 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4946D0CD.4040805@msen.com> References: <1229202715.18610.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <443agpp78i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1229373442.1647.57.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <44tz95noyd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1229375416.1647.63.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4946D0CD.4040805@msen.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:31:50 +1000 Message-Id: <1229380311.1647.74.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Firebird client fails port install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:31:59 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 16:49 -0500, Mark Moellering wrote: > Da Rock wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 15:49 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > > >> Da Rock writes: > >> > >> > >>> On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 14:29 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > >>> > >>>> Da Rock writes: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I'm trying to install php5-extensions (which includes firebird), but its > >>>>> failing with an error code 1 on firebird20-client. It does mention > >>>>> running make to build firebird, but not as root. So I've tried > >>>>> everything to get this to work: running make as my wheel group user, > >>>>> installing as a pkg instead. > >>>>> > >>>>> What could I be missing? > >>>>> > >>>>> (And before anybody asks: I ran portsnap fetch update twice yesterday - > >>>>> and I did run the update. I've learnt my lesson from last time...) > >>>>> > >>>> Unless you set variables to put the work directory somewhere non-standard, > >>>> the ports system will try to do its building under each port's directory, > >>>> which is normally not writable by regular users. Similarly, installing a > >>>> port (or a package, for the same reasons) normally requires root > >>>> permissions for access to system directories and in many cases to let > >>>> programs installed by ports run as special-purpose users. > >>>> > >>>> What is the reason you're trying to install ports as a different user? > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Because the first stop error occurs and it says to run make to build > >>> firebird, but it also says "Please do not build firebird as 'root' > >>> because this may cause conflicts with SysV semaphores of running > >>> services." > >>> > >> I can't see exactly what's happening (partly because you didn't show the > >> actual failure messages), but I do notice that php5-extensions can build > >> without firebird. In fact, that's what it does by default, so you must > >> have explicitly told it to build that. If you don't need it, you can go > >> back in and set the php5-extensions port options to not include > >> firebird, and you will avoid this particular problem. > >> > >> > > > > I did that in the end, but that doesn't really solve the problem now > > does it? I'll take it up with ports and see if I can't figure out whats > > wrong... > > > > > > > The only thing I can think of that makes sense is that they want you to > run as su, as opposed to a true root login. Perhaps later someone with > more experience will answer, I can't believe you are the first/only > person to do this. As a matter of fact I never use true root I ALWAYS use su (believe it or not a M$ directive in the MCSE course I did years ago- never use administrator, copy administrative capabilities to the username used). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 22:47:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6ACB1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118428FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFMkqv5056694; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:46:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFMkpPw056691; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:46:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:46:51 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <1229380311.1647.74.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <20081215234604.R56683@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1229202715.18610.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <443agpp78i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1229373442.1647.57.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <44tz95noyd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1229375416.1647.63.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4946D0CD.4040805@msen.com> <1229380311.1647.74.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firebird client fails port install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:47:06 -0000 > As a matter of fact I never use true root I ALWAYS use su (believe it or what's a practical difference between logging to root directly or doing su? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 23:09:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9CC1065678 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:09:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-137.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-137.bluehost.com [67.222.39.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 34D8C8FC18 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:09:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 2673 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 23:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 23:09:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=nEfjdZQnBxwXGkxZ+5GkA233R65Es3yxYpXVafLYt+pUFgV0MdJZo7xYgu/YPPM8lXQeI3u2eLeDTdqpvxCeqroY6Se2e1A669W4sjCgPLIb9bjY2r9f7cIxYmocr/kF; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCMYg-0004iS-9f for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:09:02 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:08:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:08:33 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215230833.GA61220@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> <1229218767.18610.39.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215022131.GB5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229336056.1647.23.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215201201.GA60187@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215231150.B56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215231150.B56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:09:02 -0000 --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:13:38PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >So, we end up splitting the potential FreeBSD users between Ubuntu and > >Fedora with more of them going to Ubuntu because not quite as many become >=20 > very nice. after trying FreeBSD they WILL get back to linux (and then=20 > windows) quickly. >=20 > Those who REALLY know they need something different, like high=20 > performance good plain unix, will move to FreeBSD sooner or later :) Uh -- what? We weren't talking about people who've tried FreeBSD first. We were talking about people who asked about FreeBSD and were told to f-off to Linux instead by people like you. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Principle of Inclusion: The strength of any system is directly proportional to the power of the tools it provides for the general public. --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklG43EACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXbJgCg7uN4xWiIKJ0jV28uCdFIjfIl ezQAoIybR949/nCgCJ41VBvQJBBG7onO =rDBG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 23:10:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93111065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:10:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551F38FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:10:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC66C4482 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:11:09 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215234604.R56683@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1229202715.18610.5.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <443agpp78i.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1229373442.1647.57.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <44tz95noyd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1229375416.1647.63.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4946D0CD.4040805@msen.com> <1229380311.1647.74.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215234604.R56683@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:10:11 +1000 Message-Id: <1229382617.1647.88.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Firebird client fails port install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:10:29 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 23:46 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > As a matter of fact I never use true root I ALWAYS use su (believe it or > > what's a practical difference between logging to root directly or doing > su? The log files log exactly "who" did what instead of anonymously. At the least they show who had su'd to root and when, but from my experience it says the user and what was done. Incidentally, I first heard of this practice through my MCSE (where basically M$ NT was bagged as the worst system ever- strange wouldn't you say seeing as it was an M$ course?), but the practice has been in use for years by old school *nix administrators and has been a specified as "best practice". Just read nearly any *nix manual or tutorial. Why do you think the sysinstall for freebsd and just about every *nix distro says to create a user account so you don't use root? It also sometimes states to use su to gain root privileges in the warning message. It actually frightens me how many new administrators don't bother with following this policy- even ISPs. It helps with forensic analysis, and if you suddenly find root doing stuff in your logs (if you follow the best practice methods) then you know it wasn't you or anybody authorised. If anybody here can tell me how to enforce this policy in practice I'd be very interested to hear it (although I doubt one could prevent console access to root ICE). Maybe a method to obtain the user's name or soemthing. I think it can only be enforced in policy and not practice, though. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 23:11:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783481065689 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-09.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-09.bluehost.com [69.89.17.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 41C378FC1A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 9267 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 23:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 23:11:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=mq/yq/sPJEDbss0UcxurJecs93DjGQAfmre3ubgUCwvKmma/j/yo7+BnZLbqWkjbMnep6CH+J3UrDA34sxKoUNbrRTtgCEBjdIUjRkBq2pXxzbTN+g7X792tpsi2kSVx; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCMbG-0005iF-Ey for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:11:42 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:11:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:11:13 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215231113.GB61220@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> <1229218767.18610.39.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215022131.GB5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229336056.1647.23.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215201201.GA60187@kokopelli.hydra> <4946D8A7.9050507@brianwhalen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aM3YZ0Iwxop3KEKx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4946D8A7.9050507@brianwhalen.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:11:42 -0000 --aM3YZ0Iwxop3KEKx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:22:31PM -0800, Brian Whalen wrote: > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > >Tell that to the uncountable hordes of dedicated Linux users who don't > >know what they're missing and, as such, see no reason to even give > >FreeBSD a try. > > =20 > Many Linux people I know still think FreeBSD SMP sucks, that combined=20 > with a lack of journaling filesystem on BSD gives the Linux folks a=20 > small edge. I know ZFS is out there, but nor for that long yet on FreeBS= D. Many Linux people I know don't know about FreeBSD SMP and filesystem matters -- or much of anything else about it, for that matter. Some even think FreeBSD is a Linux distribution. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Jon Postel, RFC 761: "[B]e conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others." --aM3YZ0Iwxop3KEKx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklG5BEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKULhQCfcMNqM3/831NKamMU9X7DbKsy dpsAn0UTQni3Oa5edwLkpT7p7l51BfC2 =MR5Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aM3YZ0Iwxop3KEKx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 23:23:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7852A106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4921F8FC13 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd3ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.138]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2008 16:23:19 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=iY6Xk2OdAAAA:8 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=SYGCq_bdhnFgTGF5jzsA:9 a=Xh0HX0dtzo1DXFyRNQmQeqKSbtkA:4 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd3ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2008 16:23:19 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB421701E for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:23:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:23:17 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215152317.50e78aa4@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081215231835.Y56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081215133957.4ef356ec@gom.home> <20081215231835.Y56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: power management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:23:20 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:20:51 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > IMHO it depends on hardware > ya that makes sense at least from reading about different cpu state descriptions here: Everything You Need to Know About the CPU C-States Power Saving Modes http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/611 where they talk about how different cpu's deal with things differently. so since the os software can only use these features, possibly some have optimized for some hardware, but possibly not for others. > Simply - install linux, then FreeBSD on same machine and check it :) > :D ya that's what's important here at least. not that i'm concerned, i'm not going back to linux (even though i liked it while i used it). -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 23:23:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596EC1065672 for ; 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Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:23:55 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:23:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:23:26 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215232326.GC61220@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20081215204315.GI60187@kokopelli.hydra> <1229375257.1647.60.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229375257.1647.60.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:23:55 -0000 --Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:07:36AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > > > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted > > > > > above, is verboten. > > >=20 > > > Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is > > > patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be > > > no problem writing a driver for that h/w. OTOH if the algorithms > > > used in the driver are patented it would be an infringement to > > > reproduce them. > >=20 > > I said anything covered by patent. If the software is not covered by > > patent, you're fine to write software. Be aware, though, that a lot of > > patents are intentionally written in a somewhat vague way so they can be > > extended via case law at a later date. > >=20 > > Nothing is "legal" under the current US system unless you can defend it > > in civil court. That's my general rule of thumb. >=20 > That doesn't sound like a good system (US not yours) - how on earth did > it get so screwed up? (Thats rhetorical btw, I don't mean to start a > whole discussion on that topic on this list.) It's much the same everywhere, from what I've seen. The problems just arise in different guises. Usually, judging by my observations, they arise in large part because of the common notion that a problem can be fixed with more of the behavior that created the problem in the first place. =2E . . but beyond that, I'd probably start a flame war, so I don't think I want to get more specific on the list. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Reginald Braithwaite: "Nor is it as easy as piling more features on regardless of how well they fit or whether people will actually use them. Otherwise Windows would have 97% of the market and OS X 3%. (Oh wait.)" --Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklG5u4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUmewCeJ4brcP35ovjwvqGO123N9dL/ d1IAnj65MIdzRJdgclhP6Lx0BRcexxyu =fm9G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sr1nOIr3CvdE5hEN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 23:39:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44C11065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:39:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46C78FC1E for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBFNd0OF057050; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:39:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBFNd0JJ057047; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:39:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:39:00 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20081215152317.50e78aa4@gom.home> Message-ID: <20081216003434.I57019@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081215133957.4ef356ec@gom.home> <20081215231835.Y56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215152317.50e78aa4@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: power management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:39:04 -0000 > >> Simply - install linux, then FreeBSD on same machine and check it :) >> > :D > ya that's what's important here at least. anyway - just using hlt instruction greatly reduces CPU power usage even at full clock. i don't think the difference is THAT huge by reducing clock multipliers, voltage etc. on my laptop i don't even looked at this, and it works about 2 times longer under little CPU load than under full load. and it has hard drive and display that use power. CPU itself isn't big power eater (it's pentium-M 1200). Of course on "modern" CPUs having >>100W TDP it may make a difference. > not that i'm concerned, i'm not going back to linux (even though i > liked it while i used it). me too - until kernels 2.0.*, then it wasn't usable (stable) anymore. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 00:05:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620C8106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:05:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0887A8FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9352E44F8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:06:13 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215232326.GC61220@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212552.GF37185@kokopelli.hydra> <1229230200.18610.87.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215065327.GM5527@kokopelli.hydra> <1229325063.8820.5.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <49462e82.0JabFKZe33ZkdtYT%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20081215204315.GI60187@kokopelli.hydra> <1229375257.1647.60.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081215232326.GC61220@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:05:14 +1000 Message-Id: <1229385921.1647.91.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:05:33 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 16:23 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:07:36AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 13:43 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:16:34AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > > > > > Unfortunately, anything covered by a patent, as I hinted > > > > > > above, is verboten. > > > > > > > > Er, doesn't it depend on what is patented? If the h/w itself is > > > > patented, but its software-visible interface is not, there should be > > > > no problem writing a driver for that h/w. OTOH if the algorithms > > > > used in the driver are patented it would be an infringement to > > > > reproduce them. > > > > > > I said anything covered by patent. If the software is not covered by > > > patent, you're fine to write software. Be aware, though, that a lot of > > > patents are intentionally written in a somewhat vague way so they can be > > > extended via case law at a later date. > > > > > > Nothing is "legal" under the current US system unless you can defend it > > > in civil court. That's my general rule of thumb. > > > > That doesn't sound like a good system (US not yours) - how on earth did > > it get so screwed up? (Thats rhetorical btw, I don't mean to start a > > whole discussion on that topic on this list.) > > It's much the same everywhere, from what I've seen. The problems just > arise in different guises. Usually, judging by my observations, they > arise in large part because of the common notion that a problem can be > fixed with more of the behavior that created the problem in the first > place. > > . . . but beyond that, I'd probably start a flame war, so I don't think I > want to get more specific on the list. > Probably not- the flames would probably be directed at a common enemy rather than amongst ourselves here. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 00:55:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9CE1065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6B28FC1C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl75-59.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.122.59]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBG0sxcj027432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:55:05 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBG0swVW005742; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:54:59 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBG0svDm005741; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:54:58 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: KES References: <569944077.20081215235643@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:54:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: <569944077.20081215235643@yandex.ru> (KES's message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:56:43 +0200") Message-ID: <87bpvdaqhq.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBG0sxcj027432 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.861, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Startup scipt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:55:37 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:56:43 +0200, KES wrote: > It there feature (option in rc.subr) to run multiple services at once? None that I know of. > For example I have 'service' > to run service with specific flags I want to do: > > service_enable="YES" > service_instances="instance1 instance2" > service_instance1_flags="-flag 1 rl0" > service_instance2_flags="-flag 2 rl2" > > so rc.subr will run: > service -flag 1 rl0 > service -flag 2 rl2 It may be possible to simulate what /etc/rc.d/moused does. In recent versions of the script, the following commands are supported: /etc/rc.d/moused start /etc/rc.d/moused start ums0 The first invocation uses the 'default' options from `rc.conf': moused_enable moused_port moused_type moused_flags The second invocation uses another set of options from `rc.conf': moused_ums0_enable moused_ums0_port moused_ums0_type moused_ums0_flags The support for these non-default options is implemented using a small local hack in `src/etc/rc.d/moused': http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/head/etc/rc.d/moused?view=annotate#l24 It would be great if you found some way to integrate this with the rest of rc.d. This way more scripts can support multiple instances of the underlying service :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 01:01:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1157106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945DF8FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so3200696rvf.43 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:01:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=vTw10cZKL9LN0bk8uVls1dU3exE0jlmmgA5c1cN9cqc=; b=ZT23UM7Ocv4IRdUX7nFcajsKxUtPiPjAj4AIYkINCdJrfKV395c4PuuXFj1k/fZhLn OE2cFNQ7DxUFPuMoNaUObxcO1CBJZDWnxedMODlvxxyYr96DPi/5wdjQKeG1Z6cpjpWE 79jMwpNzFFO9Y1N5hCobxF/CNHnH/cUnFP8+8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NGcFKCP6V78O8XM4wVpUY3j/l9tg0xTqI2/PZNOEAYbwb5y8gR6opVsoM9M7dyMzo1 lmyFlIpc/C/hjEMDmGH8J1tqQw3wFoyqXRTGaEGDe4dkxrvVv/jcixuELUoxIZO+P0xq 9hUYaqcSKF6oS93qJACIIc1rpDsWoKB9gZRns= Received: by 10.141.176.16 with SMTP id d16mr4010449rvp.120.1229387676540; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:34:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.158.13 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:34:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0812151634n70e6f699n8178382c79dca36d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:34:36 -0800 From: "Garrett Cooper" To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Setting per processor (/core) affinity from within FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:01:45 -0000 Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone has written a utility for FreeBSD to tie a particular process group to a processor / core, similar to what Linux has done with taskset, so that affinity can be properly set with FreeBSD and the ULE scheduler. Please keep me CC'ed on all replies as I'm not subscribed to questions@. Thanks, -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 02:16:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F1D1065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD498FC1F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBG2H4ST083445 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:17:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:16:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:16:26 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20081216021626.GB64553@thought.org> References: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> <20081215222314.GA61777@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081215222314.GA61777@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: Re: questions about some archive files, type *.rar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:16:31 -0000 This is my last post about the collection of comparative philosophy, literature, religion, an anthropology. The|One reason the disc was in ISO format is its jpegs or gigs embedded. And possibly because it was in html. But say that I yanked the photos and used just plain text: 8-bit chars perhaps, and created my own CDROM version. --I *wouldn't* waste my time duplicating this collection, but say that I did. Could this be done in plain HTML and not require an ISO disc? Oh, a first ack that the gnome file browser is worthwhile. It popped up when I inserted the DVD. A right-click let me open directories, then a broswer works perfectly whell to surf around. gary PS: write me off-list if you're curious in some old-old research. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 03:10:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5761065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5398FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446863C922; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:10:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBG3AFcj019954; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:10:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:10:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20081216041014.52b54151.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081216021626.GB64553@thought.org> References: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> <20081215222314.GA61777@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20081216021626.GB64553@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions about some archive files, type *.rar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:10:35 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:16:26 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > But say that I yanked the photos and used just plain text: 8-bit chars > perhaps, and created my own CDROM version. --I *wouldn't* waste my time > duplicating this collection, but say that I did. Could this be done in > plain HTML and not require an ISO disc? I'm not sure I did understand the question correctly, but in order to make a CD or DVD browsable on "Windows" PCs, they need to have an ISO-9660 filesystem on it, eventually extended with the "Joilet" (I think it is called that way) extension because ISO-9660 has certain restrictions (8.3 filenames, directory depth, number of files in directories etc.). In UNIX world, we have the RockRidge extension to compensate this. But we don't need ISO-9660 in UNIX land. One of the best file systems (that isn't a file system in fact) for interoperability is tar. You could, for example, use tar to put your files on a CD or DVD (or at least use it to pre-master the content and then use a burning application to record it). To get such content from a DVD, you would just % tar xf /dev/dvd But I think this is only possible with UNIX (BSD, Linux, Solaris). "Windows" cannot handle this, of course. So, for your own CD-ROM version, try to use an ISO-9660 file system with the RockRidge extension, just like % mkisofs -r bla.iso sourcedir/ and then use your favourite burning application. If the RockRidge extension cannot map the file names and directories correctly, you can at least stick with tar: % tar cf bla.tar sourcedir/* If this isn't the answer, never mind, just reform the question. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 03:21:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD0D106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f12.google.com (mail-gx0-f12.google.com [209.85.217.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000F18FC18 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh.carroll@gmail.com) Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so2365803gxk.19 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:21:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Ybfr5YEfWWMFMibxygGnRZQA9p5VpwSLsiekPblfrHc=; b=nj1aNpKKXZOMlCrPGp/rq4JM0m00diXD1ei8xGi07QQxVGMtjPEfF3+5P4MVqIrPhe kkBHpPHaSowa+ieQ4Mus3Mu86+hRSNyDCQq7Y9egv3AzWCFtR0nNZt1AQt7wE8bz947/ LRpXMH3rDlI1NuOL/mHOI4TG2wYjPpNJK7kSE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:references; b=V6liXopQcZB9lsGrYzqvK+l0noT76HPGHwv/Mb4Oi3w9iMDY5CDzSra6VLCHx8dFx/ 0rmkGLtj54FmDni/qdpiviUJmPo38gLxcDScNkm4JKNORSXM85EFeqJNhI37H+ubkLH/ A4og6MA8P1szQ/ZhEK0N7Fq08g5unLZw0cWy0= Received: by 10.151.112.4 with SMTP id p4mr6931074ybm.192.1229397691952; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.123.1 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:21:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8cb6106e0812151921w635a00c6o52112723c433fffb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:21:31 -0500 From: "Josh Carroll" To: "Garrett Cooper" In-Reply-To: <7d6fde3d0812151634n70e6f699n8178382c79dca36d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d6fde3d0812151634n70e6f699n8178382c79dca36d@mail.gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Setting per processor (/core) affinity from within FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh.carroll@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:21:33 -0000 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > Hi guys, > I was wondering if anyone has written a utility for FreeBSD to tie > a particular process group to a processor / core, similar to what > Linux has done with taskset, so that affinity can be properly set with > FreeBSD and the ULE scheduler. I believe cpuset(2) will do what you want. It is available starting with 7.1-RELEASE (which isn't released yet, but you can grab 7.1-RC1 to test it out). Regards, Josh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 05:12:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915CF1065675 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6948FC18 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FFC19B7E69; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:12:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBG5CLCt021559; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:12:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:12:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20081216061221.3a21eebd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081215184718.P55852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081215150931.dbc8ea64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081215184718.P55852@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Uptime logging with (maybe) ppp's log functionality X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:12:27 -0000 Many thanks for your ideas. I think I'll use #2 and have start and stop time recorded in epoch format (because its easy to get the substraction result instead of fiddling around with date's ymdhms parameters). This is because I'm not very familiar with ppp's logs, and maybe they provide the needed information in a way that makes it hard to do calculations on it (like, say, the date format from the syylog entries). If the documentation of ppp doesn't answer all upcoming questions, I'd be glad to ask again. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 05:40:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B782110656FC for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:40:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B56D8FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:40:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so3404721rvf.43 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:40:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=aWOYrlKgB8i5NqoVN0TXZ3EcOjrH3EhPwCkUCqF0rV8=; b=vH+OmnMwE3pxnGcKv5tEg3Nyx6ISiNW1CJiU2JcYM/6gBrckoyhisvrt7xcXpn2HdZ rouvvuPMBwxDvToe7RqQM3kLGzYWJwjFTYxL+ggC8agyDsVpt23wTfc6C7ToErF/3wM9 ZKPIPrFSq5afgEgiA4VhfMARVMkrrI8aELeos= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ttulehmk1/77txbpJ34oUFptos5oBAEUcGE5L1LOJYNdNX2W9y+zRT76TwPHFBcpDO URhx34rowcIw2BaqePFE0EVMYs+mXTRynspEwKr8UqRHpvubXk/mY6s8712b5tDmlxrh nGA+b4iNtmx9wWZnAjIGsuzhylyIRUMV96lRw= Received: by 10.141.175.10 with SMTP id c10mr4136405rvp.127.1229406016690; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.158.13 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:40:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0812152140u1a5985f6l5abe51f82f26fd73@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:40:16 -0800 From: "Garrett Cooper" To: josh.carroll@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <8cb6106e0812151921w635a00c6o52112723c433fffb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d6fde3d0812151634n70e6f699n8178382c79dca36d@mail.gmail.com> <8cb6106e0812151921w635a00c6o52112723c433fffb@mail.gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Setting per processor (/core) affinity from within FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:40:17 -0000 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Josh Carroll wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> Hi guys, >> I was wondering if anyone has written a utility for FreeBSD to tie >> a particular process group to a processor / core, similar to what >> Linux has done with taskset, so that affinity can be properly set with >> FreeBSD and the ULE scheduler. > > I believe cpuset(2) will do what you want. It is available starting > with 7.1-RELEASE (which isn't released yet, but you can grab 7.1-RC1 > to test it out). > > Regards, > Josh Ah, that's right! Forgot about that utility. I run 8-CURRENT so yeah, that's not really an issue :). Thanks! -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 06:36:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9481065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:36:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glothlorien@mail.ru) Received: from f191.mail.ru (f191.mail.ru [194.67.57.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BD18FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glothlorien@mail.ru) Received: from mail by f191.mail.ru with local id 1LCTXc-000Djs-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:36:24 +0300 Received: from [84.16.148.140] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:36:24 +0300 From: Gennady Kudryashoff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [84.16.148.140] Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:36:24 +0300 References: <44y6yhns3y.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44y6yhns3y.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: OK Subject: Re[2]: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 rl0 watchdog timeout with custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gennady Kudryashoff List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:36:27 -0000 From Lowell Gilbert : > > rl0: link state changed to UP > > rl0: watchdog timeout > > rl0: watchdog timeout > > > > Any mistake? > > The rl driver supports some really terrible hardware, so I'm far from > convinced that your custom kernel is causing the problems. Perhaps you > could check by switching back to a GENERIC kernel for a while. It works well with GENERIC when I'm simply serfing the net or fetching ports. How can I test my network adapter under heavy load? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 09:18:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1931D1065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:18:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from storage800@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f33.google.com (mail-bw0-f33.google.com [209.85.218.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE3F8FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from storage800@gmail.com) Received: by bwz14 with SMTP id 14so500716bwz.19 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:18:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=KoTRKVO549VA75NWwMW5x5o8SSYouw+DqgYEU2s65Rg=; b=WgkirwVB6Vc0EMcKp+Mv4TgaPWCvjPqhz6astw8IKhppX3gkX+IiIkGdEqhoORkO5z bogH9Bunuzu0LX6eyk5Sc1M+SeJtdIRoKwTK9FfYYEqyvSKH837nRMXbufVNLaHb6XzG j9pDYFYg5o6WA1IQg7rqxFioNIMAPe7uW/Jdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=VlOXrJTu2Q5SfRsKo0dA7lbPRHmbHJw6C1T7EKY3t6oXKjsqepw4EVc8VHvczdMFIy fn5hMCof837Naa6vSnzpexcWk3QpufiP6ZIsdkliE25/tleUdVUP4xUYzNob190LM0fX fdRnR7u6qdyKxC6WoAkK0ZjVsdt8WTOzZYQDo= Received: by 10.223.105.139 with SMTP id t11mr7657199fao.11.1229418054743; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.112.4 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:00:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <63eb7d8e0812160100g6da2ac8clce50082b7482c17c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:00:54 +0800 From: "Abd Hamid Shamsi" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: i686 CPU Compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:18:34 -0000 HI ADMIN, I just want to ask, is this freeBSD compatible with my i686 CPU. if there any, please advice me what version should i use. TQ Regards Mohd Shamsi Hafiz bin Abdul Hamid Pegawai Pemasaran Galeri Cenderamata Koperasi UPM BHD Beg Berkunci 260 Pejabat Pos UPM Universiti Putra Malaysia 43400 Serdang Selangor From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 09:31:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B401065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FA18FC1B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h3so482611nfh.33 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:31:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vPu8JUO+tHVDu9zpWsTQdBDnLDd1+7vM/ctRQ9HEOZ0=; b=nN1vptOECYbwshIHL6vKH3RwneZl4P/pS4E9rWtPQLmKgrh/iU7kXTrz3h3wBwlntW 6J6FtXEuaksVJ3SG8RYYI9MC2+x6NIqmInT7kkPAxF3e87Ur1jAotymM/CleAVw2cyfJ CSTche7NxIxhohlPNO4mW4at5ItDPhyRMbGa8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=gSfzpXvDsKE2lhIOoq1OanaHoPL1rFTnpzPYSNXCu+GimT5InoIqXHY6IPKG8H5UCW VdkcKgBg+MgbHH4IBGDvqZzxSDjinllKHwaSaJXTgf/2IpGb+X8EthShbMMxdEnLlwj5 LEFpKbIeniz8JBkUllgdPHc68eOF5MxYcHQtg= Received: by 10.210.126.18 with SMTP id y18mr5694642ebc.164.1229419910258; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.59.2 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:31:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812160131m762e2e8dtcc4694d44f496e24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:31:50 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Abd Hamid Shamsi" In-Reply-To: <63eb7d8e0812160100g6da2ac8clce50082b7482c17c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <63eb7d8e0812160100g6da2ac8clce50082b7482c17c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i686 CPU Compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:31:52 -0000 Hello Abd, Yes it is. If you are a newcomer to FreeBSD i suggest you go for the latest RELEASE which is 7.0. All the platforms supported by FreeBSD as well as places where FBSD can be downloaded can be found here: http://www.freebsd.org/where.html. And of course don't forget to check: The Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The FAQ: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ The Man: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi. a great day, v 2008/12/16 Abd Hamid Shamsi > HI ADMIN, > I just want to ask, is this freeBSD compatible with my i686 CPU. if there > any, please advice me what version should i use. TQ > > > Regards > Mohd Shamsi Hafiz bin Abdul Hamid > Pegawai Pemasaran > > Galeri Cenderamata Koperasi UPM BHD > Beg Berkunci 260 > Pejabat Pos UPM > Universiti Putra Malaysia > 43400 Serdang > Selangor > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 09:37:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC04106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C128FC14 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636D548DA for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:37:59 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <63eb7d8e0812160100g6da2ac8clce50082b7482c17c@mail.gmail.com> References: <63eb7d8e0812160100g6da2ac8clce50082b7482c17c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:37:06 +1000 Message-Id: <1229420230.1266.11.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: i686 CPU Compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:37:19 -0000 On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 17:00 +0800, Abd Hamid Shamsi wrote: > HI ADMIN, > I just want to ask, is this freeBSD compatible with my i686 CPU. if there > any, please advice me what version should i use. TQ Should do - i386 is just for arch type. I believe 7.0 is the latest current release. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 09:47:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B26B1065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4AE8FC14 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBG9kwVR059051; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:46:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBG9kvO2059048; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:46:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:46:57 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Abd Hamid Shamsi In-Reply-To: <63eb7d8e0812160100g6da2ac8clce50082b7482c17c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081216104649.V59047@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <63eb7d8e0812160100g6da2ac8clce50082b7482c17c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i686 CPU Compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:47:09 -0000 > HI ADMIN, > I just want to ask, is this freeBSD compatible with my i686 CPU. if there > any, please advice me what version should i use. TQ every version is > > > Regards > Mohd Shamsi Hafiz bin Abdul Hamid > Pegawai Pemasaran > > Galeri Cenderamata Koperasi UPM BHD > Beg Berkunci 260 > Pejabat Pos UPM > Universiti Putra Malaysia > 43400 Serdang > Selangor > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 09:50:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A191065676 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anthony.rasat@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE658FC17 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anthony.rasat@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1683350yxb.13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:50:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id :return-receipt-to:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=RtFRxaLN8gvygMjdCwDL6uc64OB1jdkwm3vDc09abaY=; b=naNJ9j0NW0sG2IOBWAB99zxUmw1FSmexVYbf5DvLy7YWUizvpR0g8OvZlkbxKVe7tm zNgENMjQBElMcfDyPclMV3iU7fcpcIRMnqKIVLaylr/9zGTVtZxVPp0RW1nHgbhZqXf9 jyRbkgdz2VOdug8kZ3I0ut3DEA+CtORetiJ+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:return-receipt-to:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; b=K3eJ5NAtAZFC81jND4GnONKciCVHu2XkEz1DlEcyqr4lCRYZvd7dl14eaZ1ITad20k bK5AXGdlVk8O9xXviqURh5iwHU+mkNu97NyFazTWEiLVC7RF9K5d5MQwVHGSPqHo7gM3 FiWgKRPczcrr9VWrxwNVJal7GMjaP9LkJeFXw= Received: by 10.64.220.20 with SMTP id s20mr7182591qbg.47.1229421054072; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from bda011.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry (bda011.bis.ap.blackberry.com [216.9.247.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s27sm3416406qbs.31.2008.12.16.01.50.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:50:53 -0800 (PST) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1924707459 Message-ID: <1924707459-1229421050-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-691910828-@bxe1001.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Anthony M. 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Perhaps you >> could check by switching back to a GENERIC kernel for a while. > > It works well with GENERIC when I'm simply serfing the net or > fetching ports. > How can I test my network adapter under heavy load? connect to other computer and transfer files, one direction or both From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 10:00:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33781065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:00:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EF58FC20 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBG9xh0i059115; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:59:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBG9xdbs059112; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:59:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:59:39 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20081216041014.52b54151.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20081216105710.O59100@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> <20081215222314.GA61777@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20081216021626.GB64553@thought.org> <20081216041014.52b54151.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions about some archive files, type *.rar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:00:09 -0000 > To get such content from a DVD, you would just > > % tar xf /dev/dvd > > But I think this is only possible with UNIX (BSD, Linux, Solaris). > "Windows" cannot handle this, of course. you may create small .iso image that consist of some stupid images, readme or autorun configured to format c: ;), then strip first 512 bytes of it with dd if=winiso.iso bs=512 skip=1 of=tmp;mv tmp winiso.iso THEN tar Your files as you said, but put winiso.iso first :) this way - unix user using tar will extract what's needed (just have to delete winiso.iso after), windoze user will see what you wanted in winiso.iso From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 10:02:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19297106567D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835E78FC12 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGA21k1059141; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:02:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGA212l059138; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:02:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:02:01 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20081216021626.GB64553@thought.org> Message-ID: <20081216110029.A59100@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> <20081215222314.GA61777@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20081216021626.GB64553@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions about some archive files, type *.rar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:02:19 -0000 > But say that I yanked the photos and used just plain text: 8-bit chars > perhaps, and created my own CDROM version. --I *wouldn't* waste my time > duplicating this collection, but say that I did. Could this be done in > plain HTML and not require an ISO disc? you may use tar as it was said, but you may too use ANY filesystem on CD. unix don't differentiate between CD, DVD and harddisk. DVD is just readonly disk for unix. you may create say UFS filesystem on DVD-sized image or partition and then record it. just make sure your fragments are 2k or more From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 10:34:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEFA1065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@alaskaparadise.com) Received: from bsdevel.alaskaparadise.com (bsdevel.alaskaparadise.com [208.86.224.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998958FC27 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@alaskaparadise.com) Received: from stargate.alaskaparadise.com (52-32-237-24.gci.net [24.237.32.52]) by bsdevel.alaskaparadise.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3B928E107D; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:14:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Beech Rintoul To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, anthony.rasat@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:14:53 -0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.1.3; i386; ; ) References: <1924707459-1229421050-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-691910828-@bxe1001.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <1924707459-1229421050-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-691910828-@bxe1001.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> Organization: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812160114.53803.beech@alaskaparadise.com> Cc: Subject: Re: i686 CPU Compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: beech@alaskaparadise.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:34:35 -0000 On Tuesday 16 December 2008 00:50:30 Anthony M. Rasat wrote: > Abd Hamid Shamsi wrote: > >I just want to ask, is this freeBSD compatible with my > >i686 CPU. if there any, please advice me what version > >should i use. > > FreeBSD came with two x86 flavour (can I said that? LOL sorry just had an > ice cream earlier) which is x86 (32-bit) and x86_64 (64-bit). > > The x86 flavour is intended for old 386, 486 and 585 (starting from Pentium > Pro and upward version) to latest Pentium 4 Dual Core. The x86 can handle > multi processor architechture with SMP kernel which is available by > default. > > The x86_64 flavour intended for AMD64 architechture that current Intel Core > 2 Duo and since AMD Sempron and upward employed. However, this is not for > IA64 which is totally different version of FreeBSD (I think) have created > for it. > > If you aim for tested stable version of FreeBSD, you can use > FreeBSD-6.x-RELEASE lines. However if your hardware is up to current (say > no less than 2 years tops) and you want the bleeding-edge version of > applications, you can try FreeBSD-7.0-RELEASE line (7.1 version is still in > Release Candidate stage and not recommended except for testers). > > Hopes that what you're looking for. 7.0 is perfectly stable and is recommended for production use. It's not bleeding edge code. That's 8.0-CURRENT which is NOT for production use. Unless you have a particular reason for using 6.x I would go with 7.0 It's fully tested. Beech -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - beech@FreeBSD.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://people.freebsd.org/~beech X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Skype: akbeech / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 11:10:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0A1106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aran80@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from web24105.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web24105.mail.ird.yahoo.com [87.248.114.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35EA68FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:10:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aran80@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 77476 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2008 10:44:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z51q8hDN21NWpxcMU2DZZgHgVApl80nWwZZxRIZVgHQE953XFR5fd9VSxWw+G3DAIIXF0QqZpoLWLdMrXcSjoftwRIZgq5jC8E5mheVJOrvivvztUo6/jDJ8kYksM5o/UzZObVKE/5wB3Z1HyBQ5JlFIixeBRXECf76cKcAIn4w=; X-YMail-OSG: ECaJM2AVM1mYwdt3Ew.v3QWlojiIY3XkawKiKHUP0fDsKA68dLQKvIGsI2rg2gEpQs8Ylpe1eYi7GBIk.URgbCaACrlDO0wQSMJKvudhnRSvJAeG1p3IdCZYJnkZX5GVaBpj2W2AlKE32voeN9JU_.xojMEZNV7mx3eXsPEHrjqlDVQcvbpWPCNSnjFZwRMNuJkTKwTd8uKbqFYa6KVZJ0RMEClADSxQJHVZq_G235Y- Received: from [123.243.228.121] by web24105.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:44:14 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:44:14 +0000 (GMT) From: alvaro rosales To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <958977.77379.qm@web24105.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Limewire 4.18 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:10:57 -0000 Hello Guys,=0AI have a freebsd 7 Release #0 box, it works as a marble,=0Aun= fortunately I have a problem with limewire 4.18. I can connect with=0Aany o= ther p2p network client, (firewall is ok and set up to allow=0Aconnections = on limewire port and upnp is enable) but limewire wont=0Aconnect. I have ma= de a search on the net and found a thread that fixed=0Ait by modifying the= file /etc/libmap.conf as follows: =0A [/usr/local/diablo-jre1.5.0/] =0Ali= bpthread.so libc_r.so =0Alibpthread.so.2 libc_r.so.6 =0AI have diablo-jdk-1= .6.0 so I replaced the lines, I didnt have the=0Afile libmap.conf so I crea= ted it and added the lines but still it=0Adoesnt work. =0A=0AAny help woul= d be greatly appreciated=0A=0A=0AThanks in advance=0AAlvaro=0A=0A=0A S= tart your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.do= cs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=3Dother&p2=3Dau&p3=3Dtagline From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 11:11:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7849F106567A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:11:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aran80@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f12.google.com (mail-gx0-f12.google.com [209.85.217.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8598FC2B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aran80@gmail.com) Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so2467686gxk.19 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:11:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=+9yM4m1zWQ1xCiEkDRaFd/SLk8wtG7JIN7s8HLyWNaI=; b=QG+8H9oQVCuqM960IFlSqxHr2offUufBzLohJ3uyBcsVvgklBnmqOB1XLArCfiiaY7 +2QB+2mEGBSF6Fz5av4OvpdiBmImqHhbBBYBt/K/sCzGU10XxW8S17zgt7Eaq8z9ix1i 78ggySM1Cp0D2DKCZihfiJfxIPVlG352FbSmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dprpPcBRk+iSIqgiTZHQNqYvM+lvU8DS3pc5V4dbD40/kmao9KfNWirSSqmD3r5XNy IH4XNmXOjwERnzFvbrjp3uyBnFq7295dsNLqyoQis4wRsOAmHQlP9bff64zU7kI5J9VF tuk95I0t6orBaDEYQQCcUWezlwcEiEPtq+smg= Received: by 10.65.204.2 with SMTP id g2mr7210324qbq.45.1229423954869; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.213.20 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:39:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:39:09 +1100 From: "Alvaro Rosales" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Limewire 4.18 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:11:24 -0000 Hello Guys, I have a freebsd 7 Release #0 box, it works as a marble, unfortunately I have a problem with limewire 4.18. I can connect with any other p2p network client, (firewall is ok and set up to allow connections on limewire port and upnp is enable) but limewire wont connect. I have made a search on the net and found a thread that fixed it by modifying the file /etc/libmap.conf as follows: [/usr/local/diablo-jre1.5.0/] libpthread.so libc_r.so libpthread.so.2 libc_r.so.6 I have diablo-jdk-1.6.0 so I replaced the lines, I didnt have the file libmap.conf so I created it and added the lines but still it doesnt work. Any help would be greatly appreciated Thanks in advance Alvaro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 11:12:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B821065686 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252408FC22 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71977B84D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:45:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35990-06 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:45:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.59] (unknown [81.28.194.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:45:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:47:37 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Subject: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:12:34 -0000 Hi, I'm working on a project to have many diskless clients PXEbooting on 1 nfs server. This works now, but i would like to have a more efficient use of disk space on NFS server. Lot of root directories can be shared and mounted in fstab, after booting process : /usr, /home... In current solution, the minimum root directories i had to keep for managing to boot are : bin libexec sbin boot etc lib But it appears that only /etc is really specific to each diskless clientX, having basically fstab and rc.conf inside. All other directories could be shared, and specifically /boot which is more that 100MO : i would prefer not to duplicate it, as 10 servers would mean 1GO for nothing. Please would anybody help find a way to share all what we can during boot process ? Another way to ask the question is : how can we mount / and then /etc at the begining of boot process instead of mounting only / with etc inside ? I have tried to do links, but no way to make the boot process follow them... Thanks a lot, Best regards, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 11:29:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC471065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:29:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57898FC16 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGBT34M061121; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:29:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGBT3oM061118; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:29:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:29:02 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Beech Rintoul In-Reply-To: <200812160114.53803.beech@alaskaparadise.com> Message-ID: <20081216122827.V61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1924707459-1229421050-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-691910828-@bxe1001.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> <200812160114.53803.beech@alaskaparadise.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: anthony.rasat@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i686 CPU Compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:29:14 -0000 > 7.0 is perfectly stable and is recommended for production use. It's not > bleeding edge code. That's 8.0-CURRENT which is NOT for production use. > Unless you have a particular reason for using 6.x I would go with 7.0 It's > fully tested. nothing is ever fully tested ;) but yes, 7.0 can be classified stable. i would recommend 7.1-BETA install as some bugs are fixed there From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 11:36:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0256D1065676 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB148FC2D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGBa1a2061160; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:36:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGBZxM9061157; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:36:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:35:59 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bernard Dugas In-Reply-To: <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> Message-ID: <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:36:11 -0000 > on NFS server. > > Lot of root directories can be shared and mounted in fstab, after booting > process : /usr, /home... > > In current solution, the minimum root directories i had to keep for managing > to boot are : > bin libexec sbin boot etc lib i already did such things but with NetBSD 1.5 for my Xterminal distro. it's simple: mount / readonly, put everything here. in /etc put /etc/rc consisting only #!/bin/sh exec /systemrc in /systemrc put something like that: #!/bin/sh echo -n Mounting workstation config directory... #get your IP or MAC address using ifconfig,grep,cut,awk,how you like #put to to say MYIP /sbin/mount_nfs yournfsserver:/clients/etc/MYIP /etc echo done exec /etc/rc please then add: /tmp, /var/tmp, /var/run, possibly /var/log as tmpfs in fstab OR mount it with per-station directory the same way as /etc I wish it's helpful, doing this doesn't just save space but saves time - you have to upgrade software once. you may like to make /etc-common directory and put most of files there, and symlinks in each station's /etc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 12:25:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1391065673 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6E248FC1C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:25:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Dec 2008 11:58:33 -0000 Received: from pD952E4A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO core2duo.local) [217.82.228.164] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 12:58:33 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4870692 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/2NqwvnKv2tjzfCh/+1ntwaUzILg2SuTPglSHzz1 j1hztRg4QRk+8J Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:58:30 +0100 From: Andreas Rudisch To: alvaro rosales Message-Id: <20081216125830.384a9b6f.cyb.@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <958977.77379.qm@web24105.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <958977.77379.qm@web24105.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Tue__16_Dec_2008_12_58_30_+0100_P4KY2WJtwHuzR8du" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limewire 4.18 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:25:16 -0000 --Signature=_Tue__16_Dec_2008_12_58_30_+0100_P4KY2WJtwHuzR8du Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:44:14 +0000 (GMT) alvaro rosales wrote: > I have a freebsd 7 Release #0 box, it works as a marble, > unfortunately I have a problem with limewire 4.18. I can connect with > any other p2p network client, (firewall is ok and set up to allow > connections on limewire port and upnp is enable) but limewire wont > connect. Sounds like the same problem Vuze/Azureus has when running on FreeBSD 7. > I have made a search on the net and found a thread that fixed > it by modifying the file /etc/libmap.conf as follows:=20 > [/usr/local/diablo-jre1.5.0/]=20 > libpthread.so libc_r.so=20 > libpthread.so.2 libc_r.so.6=20 That work-around only works on FreeBSD 6 (probably because of the change to libthr in FreeBSD 7). When I was testing Vuze again on FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 a few days ago, I noticed that data transfer was happening when using UDP. But normal TCP connections to other peers would time out, hanging during/after the handshake. The connections seemed to be established though. A Vuze developer told me, that transfers via UDP and TCP are using different sets of native java APIs. TCP is non-blocking IO, so there could be a problem in the FreeBSD Java code. Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565 | http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 --Signature=_Tue__16_Dec_2008_12_58_30_+0100_P4KY2WJtwHuzR8du Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklHl+gACgkQ8P3NNypXNWVFMACdHV8P7ObnG39NV+HygyadAVfR 840An3RhlcMvCTbmzjgA6zpIQfB42F/1 =dDwA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Tue__16_Dec_2008_12_58_30_+0100_P4KY2WJtwHuzR8du-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 13:06:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914581065673 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547958FC19 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8D5B84E for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:06:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 36408-07 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:06:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.59] (unknown [81.28.194.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:06:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:08:10 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Subject: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:06:17 -0000 Hi, When i look at / in a standard installation like : FreeBSD XXX 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 24 19:59:52 UTC 2008 root@logan.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 There is only 1 file, named entropy : -rw------- 1 root wheel 4096 Dec 11 17:36 entropy I can't find any reference to that file in FreeBSD doc. Any reference to it ? What is it used for ? I have look in RANDOM area, but no reference... Do i have to keep it read/write ? Can i put it in /var instead of / to be able to keep / read-only ? Thanks a lot, Best regards, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 13:36:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6981065676 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shinjii@maydias.com) Received: from pecan2.exetel.com.au (pecan2.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D098FC16 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shinjii@maydias.com) Received: from 196.43.96.58.exetel.com.au ([58.96.43.196] helo=enterprise.blackthorn.nu) by pecan2.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LCa5q-0007cG-Jv; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:36:11 +1100 Message-ID: <4947AEEC.4090604@maydias.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:36:44 +1000 From: Warren Liddell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081206) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kde@kde.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Dolphin Sigserv whilst trying to cut//paste X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:36:14 -0000 Freebsd 7.1-PreRelease KDE 3.5.10 AMD64 .. below is sigserv msg. Application: Dolphin (dolphin), signal SIGSEGV [New Thread 0x805f02180 (LWP 100285)] [Switching to Thread 0x805f02180 (LWP 100285)] [KCrash handler] #6 0x0000000801cc3560 in QByteArray::operator= () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #7 0x0000000803a03b8c in QClipboardWatcher::formats_sys () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #8 0x00000008039b4c56 in QInternalMimeData::formats () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #9 0x0000000803a0395e in QClipboardWatcher::retrieveData_sys () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #10 0x00000008039b481a in QInternalMimeData::retrieveData () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #11 0x0000000801d9385f in QMimeDataPrivate::retrieveTypedData () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #12 0x0000000801d93f92 in QMimeData::data () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #13 0x000000080084ea5e in KonqMimeData::decodeIsCutSelection () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libkonq.so.7 #14 0x00000008006e415b in IconManager::applyCutItemEffect () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.5 #15 0x00000008006e4897 in IconManager::updateCutItems () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.5 #16 0x00000008006e4aca in IconManager::qt_metacall () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.5 #17 0x0000000801d9886b in QMetaObject::activate () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #18 0x00000008039b08d6 in QClipboard::emitChanged () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #19 0x0000000803a0429d in QClipboard::setMimeData () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #20 0x00000008006d9a3b in DolphinView::pasteToUrl () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.5 #21 0x00000008006d9e86 in DolphinView::pasteIntoFolder () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.5 #22 0x000000000042e2b0 in DolphinMainWindow::qt_metacall () #23 0x0000000801d9886b in QMetaObject::activate () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #24 0x000000080399d487 in QAction::triggered () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #25 0x000000080399e380 in QAction::activate () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #26 0x0000000803ce293c in QMenuPrivate::activateAction () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #27 0x000000080106a5f9 in KMenu::mouseReleaseEvent () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libkdeui.so.7 #28 0x00000008039e89e8 in QWidget::event () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #29 0x0000000803ce1b11 in QMenu::event () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #30 0x00000008039a312f in QApplicationPrivate::notify_helper () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #31 0x00000008039a9d3e in QApplication::notify () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #32 0x0000000800f935ff in KApplication::notify () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libkdeui.so.7 #33 0x0000000801d88fb4 in QCoreApplication::notifyInternal () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #34 0x00000008039a97c3 in QApplicationPrivate::sendMouseEvent () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #35 0x00000008039fdc74 in QETWidget::translateMouseEvent () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #36 0x00000008039fcbdb in QApplication::x11ProcessEvent () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #37 0x0000000803a1f633 in x11EventSourceDispatch () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #38 0x0000000805489a24 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #39 0x000000080548cd05 in g_main_context_check () from /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #40 0x000000080548d1eb in g_main_context_iteration () from /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #41 0x0000000801dad5de in QEventDispatcherGlib::processEvents () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #42 0x0000000803a1f30f in QGuiEventDispatcherGlib::processEvents () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #43 0x0000000801d882bd in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #44 0x0000000801d88427 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #45 0x0000000803ce00d7 in QMenu::exec () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #46 0x0000000000433195 in DolphinContextMenu::openItemContextMenu () #47 0x0000000000434318 in DolphinContextMenu::open () #48 0x000000000042f06b in DolphinViewContainer::openContextMenu () #49 0x0000000000430b27 in DolphinViewContainer::qt_metacall () #50 0x0000000801d9886b in QMetaObject::activate () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #51 0x00000008006d887a in DolphinView::requestContextMenu () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.5 #52 0x00000008006d9355 in DolphinView::openContextMenu () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.5 #53 0x00000008006dd131 in DolphinView::qt_metacall () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.5 #54 0x0000000801d9886b in QMetaObject::activate () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #55 0x00000008006c7485 in DolphinController::requestContextMenu () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.5 #56 0x00000008039e87f9 in QWidget::event () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #57 0x0000000803ca6ba6 in QFrame::event () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #58 0x0000000803d1c8b9 in QAbstractScrollArea::viewportEvent () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #59 0x0000000803da2725 in QAbstractItemView::viewportEvent () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #60 0x0000000803d1e148 in QAbstractScrollAreaFilter::eventFilter () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #61 0x0000000801d893cf in QCoreApplicationPrivate::sendThroughObjectEventFilters () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #62 0x00000008039a3100 in QApplicationPrivate::notify_helper () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #63 0x00000008039aa573 in QApplication::notify () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #64 0x0000000800f935ff in KApplication::notify () from /usr/local/kde4/lib/libkdeui.so.7 #65 0x0000000801d88fb4 in QCoreApplication::notifyInternal () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #66 0x00000008039fe489 in QETWidget::translateMouseEvent () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #67 0x00000008039fcbdb in QApplication::x11ProcessEvent () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #68 0x0000000803a1f633 in x11EventSourceDispatch () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #69 0x0000000805489a24 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #70 0x000000080548cd05 in g_main_context_check () from /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #71 0x000000080548d1eb in g_main_context_iteration () from /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #72 0x0000000801dad5de in QEventDispatcherGlib::processEvents () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #73 0x0000000803a1f30f in QGuiEventDispatcherGlib::processEvents () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtGui.so.4 #74 0x0000000801d882bd in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #75 0x0000000801d88427 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #76 0x0000000801d8a491 in QCoreApplication::exec () from /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4 #77 0x0000000000443aeb in main () From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 13:39:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2C6106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B88D8FC1B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:39:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081216133912.HPWZ1869.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:39:12 +0000 Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org ([82.21.101.171]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081216133912.EWEJ22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@catflap.slightlystrange.org> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 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4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE i386 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=d8jKuHM2wY8A:10 a=REEEhR4uQ5EA:10 a=ehNlctqhnw0A:10 a=XNJBkHlfyUpbsdhWk4QA:9 a=J_CjcAG2wTisfZTvS8MA:7 a=tP87EZn4hgEEKF3xfXusXti7mPcA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=y_nW0H7lZU6UJR8Qm1YA:9 a=7sWSUKeee0OFkMBxSiYGpEhUqu4A:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:39:14 -0000 --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 02:08:10PM +0100, Bernard Dugas wrote: > Hi, >=20 > When i look at / in a standard installation like : > FreeBSD XXX 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 24 19:59:52 UTC= =20 > 2008 root@logan.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >=20 > There is only 1 file, named entropy : >=20 > -rw------- 1 root wheel 4096 Dec 11 17:36 entropy >=20 > I can't find any reference to that file in FreeBSD doc. >=20 > Any reference to it ? What is it used for ? I have look in RANDOM area,= =20 > but no reference... >=20 > Do i have to keep it read/write ? Can i put it in /var instead of / to=20 > be able to keep / read-only ? It is used to safely seed the random number generator, I believe. A quick search through /etc/rc.d/* and /etc/defaults/rc.conf reveals that you can set $entropy_file in /etc/rc.conf to anything you like,=20 although a comment suggests # Set to NO to disable caching entropy through reboots. # /var/db/entropy-file is preferred if / is not avail. So yes, it seems you could move it off / if you want. Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklHr3kACgkQixf5fBYiFmpGQQCff1d5nkdwf7bJExKPpqssbVoH BZMAn1KKlhgtZUIjOV7s5hhde/lY0ieQ =9SsO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 13:59:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1502D106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:59:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C573B8FC2A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:59:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D506FD3D2 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:59:29 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 5BE2BFD38C; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:59:29 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_30 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from ott.sise (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C935BFD3B0 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:59:24 +0200 (EET) From: Ott =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6stner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:59:23 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <1924707459-1229421050-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-691910828-@bxe1001.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> <200812160114.53803.beech@alaskaparadise.com> In-Reply-To: <200812160114.53803.beech@alaskaparadise.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812161559.23641.ottk@zzz.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee Subject: Python with many threads X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:59:31 -0000 Hello list, Trying to run Grub Next Generation Python Client (http://grub.org/?q=3Den/n= ode/204) on my FreeDSD 7.1 box with as many threads as possible. Python version is 2.5.2. The question is, what limits the number of concurrent threads I can run? I = have free memory and cpu, but starting from around 50 threads, Python start= s to give random errors like this: Exception in thread 30: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/threading.py", line 486, in __bootstrap_in= ner self.run() The number of errors increases rapidly with even bigger number of threads. = Is there any way I can increase the maximum number of Python threads? With best regards, O.K. =2D-=20 M=F5=F5da oma inteneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 14:00:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A18106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:00:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710008FC28 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:00:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEB8B846; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:00:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 37095-03; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:00:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.59] (unknown [81.28.194.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:00:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:02:51 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:00:59 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > i already did such things but with NetBSD 1.5 for my Xterminal distro. > > it's simple: More simple when you tell it ;-) Thanks a lot, i will try it tonight ! > I wish it's helpful, doing this doesn't just save space but saves time - > you have to upgrade software once. So preserving consistency, which is the most important when you have lot of diskless stations ! > you may like to make /etc-common directory and put most of files there, > and symlinks in each station's /etc In fact, it makes me think that we miss a concept in mount, or at least i don't know it currently : imagine a -tl (TransparentLayer) option for mount, allowing to mount multiple source to the same directory, for instance /etc : mount -r yournfsserver:/basic/etc /etc mount -tl -r yournfsserver:/TypeX/etc /etc mount -tl -r yournfsserver:/StationY/etc /etc A file is first look for in yournfsserver:/StationY/etc, then in yournfsserver:/TypeX/etc and finally in yournfsserver:/basic/etc. This means that StationX will see in its /etc firts its specific files, then the files dedicated to TypeX station (webserver, dns server, workstation,...) and then all basic files unchanged from standard distribution. When you want to change something, you add a rw TransparentLayer : mount -tl yournfsserver:/StationYchanges/etc /etc So that changed or added files are only stored in this rw partition, thus very small and easy to manage. This would be a kind of partition inheritance, like in object languages... Dreams are allowed :-) Thanks a lot, Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 14:16:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361F8106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EAB8FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE70B84F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:16:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 37208-01 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:16:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.59] (unknown [81.28.194.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:16:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4947B8AB.7000304@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:18:19 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Subject: Extracting changed files list from snapshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:16:27 -0000 Hi, I want to extract the list of files changed between 2 snapshots, to be able to do efficient backups. Any idea where to find a document about snapshots internal structure ? Or if you know any port that already do this :-? Thanks a lot, Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 14:29:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CE0106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D203E8FC14 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.3/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id mBGEThUT070193 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:29:43 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 165 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733BA89C15 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:29:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 621F73D; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:29:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:29:42 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081216142942.GA14998@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.165]); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:29:43 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8766/Tue Dec 16 13:29:53 2008 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at jchkmail2.jussieu.fr with ID 49479F5B.00F by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 49479F5B.00F/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 49479F5B.00F on jchkmail2.jussieu.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.016 -> S=0.016 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: Python with many threads X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:29:46 -0000 Otto wrote: > Exception in thread 30: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/threading.py", line 486, in > __bootstrap_in= > ner > self.run() > > The number of errors increases rapidly with even bigger number of > threads. > Is there any way I can increase the maximum number of Python threads? Nothing limits the number of concurrent threads. Personnally i have checked i can run Grub Next Generation Python Client with 600 threads without any problem. niobe% uname -a FreeBSD niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Jul 22 10:31:01 CEST 2008 niobe% python Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Jul 5 2008, 13:44:44) Recall that python threads are just native threads, but these threads are protected from trashing the python state by a single lock, the GIL, which is released when you do IO. This allows to effectively thread IO, but not python computation. The FreeBSD thread library has no particular limitations, you can run hundreds or thousands of threads without much problem, for example under Java. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 14:36:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1237E1065677 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f12.google.com (mail-gx0-f12.google.com [209.85.217.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18EE8FC2F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so2538019gxk.19 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:36:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=5rCYZKBe12jCWCjKajwS/8iw/2O+8dCfz+Lr4FvB24E=; b=mCdPbiD4NbxtfcmNlaDlOLuHkUOMdoVZt5/qETQRIepESlAt1EC6dXILhB0GMmxR7j Zm4QqOIsbGGMNXYPRbHIyQegZqrbJBedBQZcHNXzJWBOOfFOPUsQafTzX1fIJtais5WU Kqn2kkxuxQCvIntllNfTZS5qqG41fqpHu/wbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=m7QR38Em8s4foVOdCmOiz05oIf29tlXMU33l3i7H82nwB5u4ai7OT7z/3uCAKNRg1O 6iLQfWG3W0Hr4hUuleuO8KAKl2lPSGoVo/1tTL+e0v9GF7E81IiomBbzMT9VzY0luYns pTsl98a5gEOXyFCq8ACk4gGoagRsYqO7JRU6c= Received: by 10.65.133.12 with SMTP id k12mr7418558qbn.65.1229438180565; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 25sm4370817qbw.23.2008.12.16.06.36.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:36:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:36:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c95f8b$9edb12e0$dc9138a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aclfi53Q0S+mYzRiSBCJLwxsRP26yA== Content-Language: en-ca Subject: PHP5 as apache module using packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:36:23 -0000 Hi all; Ok so i've reinstalled fBSD-7 and i'm running apache 2.2 installed using pkg_add I need to also run php as a module for apache (the web software i'm using requires php as module no cgi). Now I pkg_add'ed php5 from sparc64/all tree on ftp.freebsd.org, I think I missed passing a variable throu to php. My question is how do I know what variables I can pass throu to a package to adjust its installation. Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 14:43:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A7A106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69AAD8FC21 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:43:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so4297948ewy.19 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:43:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MGjhIkjz0j9MKravy+5DdAFIKh2B+S/vlbgk3TeACc0=; b=bM4TJFhqDY842sXQympQPhbZn8puvaKSJf4uuFTRbZLccsjgXYMMjts11UBZ2h7uXY EKUD9c72/jvGmo5by3Df4VAO7CKCYyEAu8m+8gmI3H0wga62nRUt2kz3u3u25BOCri1d 4dQu+VcOuw9ianS0o+d2m+a4wR5LyHGt30kIk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wV57IAJjplRT4wS7K5xqAgVuAEQio1+YAmburCHqxcMQCxm7XTepQXBr5bIHcUOtWy Gp8Bik+Ny4I8H3UvcwhAFsv5RtVOgL9PZ2QIePZQmWtf9gKsv8hntCTsCRkGeJ6IMb/x f13J99GXOuomeHACpGKDpQwdzVBljFIyftDGk= Received: by 10.210.122.5 with SMTP id u5mr9283562ebc.83.1229436865630; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c22sm2457504ika.8.2008.12.16.06.14.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:14:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:14:20 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081216141420.343a54c5@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:43:17 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:08:10 +0100 Bernard Dugas wrote: > Hi, > > When i look at / in a standard installation like : > FreeBSD XXX 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 24 19:59:52 > UTC 2008 root@logan.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 > > There is only 1 file, named entropy : > > -rw------- 1 root wheel 4096 Dec 11 17:36 entropy > > I can't find any reference to that file in FreeBSD doc. > It contains random numbers that are written-out at shutdown and used to seed /dev/random on the next boot. > > Do i have to keep it read/write ? Can i put it in /var instead of / > to be able to keep / read-only ? It has to be on the root-partition, if it's going to be used. You can set entropy_file=NO if you don't want it. There are additional entropy files under /var, and the system generates it's own entropy during the boot stage, which is good enough for normal cases. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:03:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288F31065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bg271828@yahoo.com) Received: from web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB0818FC1E for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:03:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bg271828@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59151 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2008 15:03:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ComC8sjeHpUAVNCuOomvwdSMbMPe+g5ZVLLe7xmRZtV1Q52kTrO4uifWuhV6wRPumQKuNPB8EmXOM1D0ycqnR83+WIBCHc9dp4AqGTw84OhNGIJN9ck5DLXKlfzTctYD2Dyj/DWjiJitBnHzlTrZHUXR5/9jnCprBe0Z4nfDSD4=; X-YMail-OSG: 7YsnaaEVM1ma0CiPtWmSh4wyrJBP7o_zkSZoxWi_M.WJ2TWfJJ6qeZIGhwIlNaouFM0wtm._.7f4x7Og8.ByE3.7CP2Fj7q8cCS.q8xzeIANs_fq88TeywYJc9fZJECmh_cv9GMEkLM4jMeLxH1TM.xGc3mxy_AXOPw_NPZ30vYz_1JGs.MIgvZlMeI.kQ-- Received: from [12.182.77.130] by web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:03:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:03:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bg271828@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:03:10 -0000 I have a FreeBSD 7.0 system that im using in production. I want to create a FreeBSD virtual machine, to use as a testbed for this production box. The last time i did this it took a lot of time to get the VM set up--installing all the right ports, getting the database configuration right, etc. Are there any shortcuts for this, e.g. a way i can automatically install the same ports on the new "machine"? I didnt see anything in the handbook or FAQ about this, but id think that people need to do this all the time. Any other advice for mirroring the system? Thanks! Jen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:06:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0A61065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2A18FC18 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGF6jAA061613; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:06:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGF6j1L061610; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:06:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:06:45 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bernard Dugas In-Reply-To: <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> Message-ID: <20081216160327.N61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:06:58 -0000 >> it's simple: > > More simple when you tell it ;-) Thanks a lot, i will try it tonight ! it doesn't have chance - must work :) > >> I wish it's helpful, doing this doesn't just save space but saves time - >> you have to upgrade software once. > > So preserving consistency, which is the most important when you have lot of > diskless stations ! exactly. i'm using just NetBSD 1.5 (uses LITTLE memory) + Xserver, so there are almost no updates, but anyway - it's stored once. >> you may like to make /etc-common directory and put most of files there, and >> symlinks in each station's /etc > > In fact, it makes me think that we miss a concept in mount, or at least i > don't know it currently : > imagine a -tl (TransparentLayer) option for mount, allowing to mount multiple > source to the same directory, for instance /etc : there is already such think - mount_unionfs but i don't use it. if you mount over some directory - it's original contents (like my /etc/rc doing exec /systemrc) gets hidden. > > mount -r yournfsserver:/basic/etc /etc > mount -tl -r yournfsserver:/TypeX/etc /etc > mount -tl -r yournfsserver:/StationY/etc /etc mount_unionfs but i don't know how stable it is. > When you want to change something, you add a rw TransparentLayer : > mount -tl yournfsserver:/StationYchanges/etc /etc > > So that changed or added files are only stored in this rw partition, thus > very small and easy to manage. > > This would be a kind of partition inheritance, like in object languages... > Dreams are allowed :-) try mount_unionfs From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:08:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289DA106567A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DE08FC17 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGF7mR5061628; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:07:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGF7mbm061625; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:07:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:07:48 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bernard Dugas In-Reply-To: <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> Message-ID: <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:08:02 -0000 > > -rw------- 1 root wheel 4096 Dec 11 17:36 entropy > > I can't find any reference to that file in FreeBSD doc. > > Any reference to it ? What is it used for ? I have look in RANDOM area, but > no reference... at startup it seeds random generator, every 11 minutes and at shutdown it's saved from random generator. it's here to make random generator more random - not starting clean at boot. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:08:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334B01065705 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC0E8FC17 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGF89GX061635; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:08:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGF89fx061632; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:08:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:08:09 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum" In-Reply-To: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081216160801.T61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:08:18 -0000 > Are there any shortcuts for this, e.g. a way i can automatically install the same ports on the new "machine"? I didnt see anything in the handbook or FAQ about this, but id think that people need to do this all the time. Any other advice for mirroring the system? simply copy everything From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:15:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4381065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:15:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C468FC21 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:15:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1752962yxb.13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:15:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=mz/T9BDVOZlmEi/y+0u2JHIAmgHfsN66aQDBuJxTzQI=; b=mo2YSXKEFqUeSUSFxmdu4WRc8X5RtzxHhKnQdjkxejD6UhO9Pe8symGUzvz1uq2ZUj CSY+RKpeZ/a3/zgh+trJaGFq/iR/twcWjII/zU8zSOcjjnTf4lNbQO5nbuROEN689qd0 Zufvyfv4x8pKCGGwjapt0Bhf/Zgp6Lm1H15BU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=eS8EBdl5IVrmYno1sJ//T8MRLuPqvwcXXHlcn3jMk0iww2yAeCSB4tF6XvsPoKjAye 2CJtGJWuCa4cGdvwe5tnr5SROUzK4ZeatGfA/5PhVdyVDBUKHKMslaSxkkbDifmn4Qu2 L6lYwke4ZKSlVy8muJWtfXH045SGyAcuIkvLw= Received: by 10.231.20.3 with SMTP id d3mr108475ibb.18.1229440543298; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.12.137 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:15:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3a142e750812160715p751483edh610a4adb055d31a2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:15:43 +0100 From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081216160327.N61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> <20081216160327.N61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Bernard Dugas Subject: Re: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:15:44 -0000 On 12/16/08, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> it's simple: >> >> More simple when you tell it ;-) Thanks a lot, i will try it tonight ! > > it doesn't have chance - must work :) > >> >>> I wish it's helpful, doing this doesn't just save space but saves time - >>> you have to upgrade software once. >> >> So preserving consistency, which is the most important when you have lot >> of >> diskless stations ! > > exactly. i'm using just NetBSD 1.5 (uses LITTLE memory) + Xserver, so > there are almost no updates, but anyway - it's stored once. > >>> you may like to make /etc-common directory and put most of files there, >>> and >>> symlinks in each station's /etc >> >> In fact, it makes me think that we miss a concept in mount, or at least i >> don't know it currently : >> imagine a -tl (TransparentLayer) option for mount, allowing to mount >> multiple >> source to the same directory, for instance /etc : > > there is already such think - mount_unionfs > > but i don't use it. > > if you mount over some directory - it's original contents (like my /etc/rc > doing exec /systemrc) gets hidden. > >> >> mount -r yournfsserver:/basic/etc /etc >> mount -tl -r yournfsserver:/TypeX/etc /etc >> mount -tl -r yournfsserver:/StationY/etc /etc > > mount_unionfs > > but i don't know how stable it is. > >> When you want to change something, you add a rw TransparentLayer : >> mount -tl yournfsserver:/StationYchanges/etc /etc >> >> So that changed or added files are only stored in this rw partition, thus >> very small and easy to manage. >> >> This would be a kind of partition inheritance, like in object languages... >> >> Dreams are allowed :-) > > try mount_unionfs and mount_nullfs -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:18:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415DE106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:18:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com (mail-bw0-f14.google.com [209.85.218.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7158FC1C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so7788855bwz.19 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:18:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=aOOd57uUmVzPtmCAReTRL2spEyGO5OlbjXbTUn6bMto=; b=Y+T4XPUV+jHLmUDeA8txJCScdvNp+660NlWTjxA/29hZAuajlKmpMcMfwm2iyRE/UF TwVIdWQ6O4+QSjX72xsanZoB50+2dA9kFxxfAGFW1ouWcKUO5ELmngsQq1x5Qx1YUNQx pqtjpfldNRZMvAHQWiHRL4O4CulJWsGxuHXJw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=msYcgNjIvPxUASqgKchF/FxGKXrDY9hwizF24k8L9eNRWV02yML8yh4selU8N6Zvri xbvWGavo7tciAIxBytnWCghcU8pGFGU2s0pAxYh5KqEQQFiiDPQOGWshOONPks9AbLwz whrjNC/SRjOdtFgZWizsSjCrzoOII51WLPiEI= Received: by 10.103.193.12 with SMTP id v12mr3533972mup.23.1229440587542; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:16:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.220.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:16:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:16:27 -0600 From: "Andrew Gould" To: bg271828@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:18:56 -0000 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote: > I have a FreeBSD 7.0 system that im using in production. I want to create a > FreeBSD virtual machine, to use as a testbed for this production box. > > The last time i did this it took a lot of time to get the VM set > up--installing all the right ports, getting the database configuration > right, etc. > > Are there any shortcuts for this, e.g. a way i can automatically install > the same ports on the new "machine"? I didnt see anything in the handbook or > FAQ about this, but id think that people need to do this all the time. Any > other advice for mirroring the system? > > Thanks! > > Jen > Someone once posted a shell script that obtained a list of installed ports from the package database system and fed the results to pkg_create, which would create binary packages. Unfortunately, I can't locate the script. Check out 'man pkg_create'. Hopefully someone will post a more complete answer. Good luck, Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:21:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F024F1065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:21:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B108FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:21:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4D1B856; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:21:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 37410-08; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:21:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.59] (unknown [81.28.194.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:21:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4947C7D9.6090909@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:23:05 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:21:13 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> -rw------- 1 root wheel 4096 Dec 11 17:36 entropy >> >> I can't find any reference to that file in FreeBSD doc. >> Any reference to it ? What is it used for ? I have look in RANDOM >> area, but no reference... > > at startup it seeds random generator, every 11 minutes and at shutdown > it's saved from random generator. > > it's here to make random generator more random - not starting clean at > boot. Thanks a lot ! 1- How may i suggest/learn to add this info in the random generator man page, so that a search in doc gives the right result ? 2- As / will be mounted read-only, how can i tell the ramdom generator to put this /entropy file somewhere in /var, where i think it should be ? Or is there any tricky hidden problem ? Thanks a lot, Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:24:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1204A1065678 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D758FC22 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:24:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so4327843ewy.19 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:24:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=evrswI87TQz7XI5NlxtbhVUA3ihsGg3Avoa0E6PlhNo=; b=OvFZCAaqS+EOZj85KUsfDrIrbqCkbjN13+d+ZniRbcDVn7NXuq6wgK6VKfyp1i/mHe CexfBGwLGazxesJF73FVR1gKBpnwC7BpzXkH/y3GfqGvyRtf3JVUzHQ1tOXdDHVUQE+3 apzImGGjKr+8L1KmSu87sDuGhiGi46kM0YAok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KL1BPynjg3M/o7v5l3xnxd/SImaEQ+q9i9PVsjdmdMxb0ryaQI7hPlZAf3E7wc2Fsa iPaPWKTjlk5l2t6NIwr1J2LEQ8/wxPUuzzcd8gzS1PjH+NPrdMQHg+QMPiHQDNZdiT1o MLlkRkh27uPhkctYdzxezio/5w/6TzlbHnQZY= Received: by 10.210.105.20 with SMTP id d20mr9345251ebc.142.1229441087332; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b36sm823894ika.15.2008.12.16.07.24.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:24:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:24:42 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081216152442.76c8722d@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:24:49 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:07:48 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > at startup it seeds random generator, every 11 minutes and at > shutdown it's saved from random generator. Only at shutdown, the entropy stored every eleven minutes is in /var/db/entropy/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:25:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4EA1065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:25:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F256E8FC1D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:25:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp12.yandex.ru (smtp12.yandex.ru [77.88.32.82]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 5E6BE4C5CD8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:25:47 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 169-15-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net ([92.113.15.169]:21766 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S5325797AbYLPPZo (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:25:44 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp12 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229441144 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 2 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp12.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:25:45 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: ambigious 'top' results X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:25:49 -0000 , Questions. My system is overloaded, I run top to figure out which precess take time. In both cases CPU/WCPU I do not see which process take all the time. Which process take all processor time?? last pid: 24535; load averages: 3.86, 3.07, 3.07 up 1+13:34:28 17:25:19 193 processes: 5 running, 187 sleeping, 1 stopped CPU: 95.1% user, 0.0% nice, 4.9% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 172M Active, 171M Inact, 97M Wired, 23M Cache, 60M Buf, 25M Free Swap: 2048M Total, 115M Used, 1933M Free, 5% Inuse PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU COMMAND 2942 mysql 42 4 0 52412K 22132K sbwait 0:00 22.80% mysqld 88534 root 1 -58 0 3288K 616K bpf 1:22 0.00% ipguard 89345 root 1 -58 0 3288K 632K bpf 1:20 0.00% ipguard 213 root 1 44 0 3180K 472K select 0:55 0.00% syslogd 709 bind 4 44 0 58480K 23996K select 0:42 0.00% named 4719 pgsql 1 44 0 42508K 1620K select 0:18 0.00% postgres last pid: 2982; load averages: 2.59, 3.37, 3.35 up 1+13:23:39 17:14:30 196 processes: 5 running, 190 sleeping, 1 stopped CPU: 94.8% user, 0.0% nice, 3.4% system, 0.0% interrupt, 1.9% idle Mem: 129M Active, 168M Inact, 112M Wired, 11M Cache, 60M Buf, 68M Free Swap: 2048M Total, 119M Used, 1929M Free, 5% Inuse, 8K In PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME CPU COMMAND 2942 mysql 41 4 0 50748K 21240K sbwait 0:00 13.23% mysqld 2451 root 1 44 0 3532K 1924K RUN 0:01 0.10% top 2254 root 1 96 0 11380K 6988K RUN 3:12 0.00% bzip2 66162 root 1 44 0 9192K 2396K RUN 1:26 0.00% verlihub 88534 root 1 -58 0 3288K 616K bpf 1:21 0.00% ipguard 89345 root 1 -58 0 3288K 632K bpf 1:19 0.00% ipguard 213 root 1 44 0 3180K 472K select 0:54 0.00% syslogd 709 bind 4 44 0 58480K 23036K select 0:42 0.00% named 4719 pgsql 1 44 0 42508K 1620K select 0:18 0.00% postgres #systat -v 4 users Load 2.71 2.75 3.02 16 17:21 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out Act 136916 11584 799684 31004 29768 count All 190728 13620 2971868 63628 pages Proc: Interrupts r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 1656 cow 2003 total 1 5 186 11k 7340 75k 4 35k 7189 4198 zfod atkbd0 1 232 ozfod sio1 irq3 54.6%Sys 0.0%Intr 45.4%User 0.0%Nice 0.0%Idle 5%ozfod sio0 irq4 | | | | | | | | | | | daefr 4 ata0 irq14 ===========================>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4405 prcfr 1999 cpu0: time 34 dtbuf 6486 totfr Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 35373 desvn react Calls hits % hits % 18913 numvn pdwak 9667 9420 97 47 0 8279 frevn pdpgs intrn Disks ad0 ad1 102212 wire KB/t 0.00 15.67 136888 act tps 0 5 230508 inact MB/s 0.00 0.07 24388 cache %busy 0 0 5384 free -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:29:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B72106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmr333@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE408FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmr333@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f9so1186212rvb.6 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:29:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pMXJ1SCH8p2g9Y1mG7pUSqdZ/BIkBFqRxsF6JQRf5sw=; b=DBVcLL8ZpFIus42KRa4YGfUdku7kFALjgvqLMk//gIbD5ikPLE7bXpC6th5/RRhYyq OadAvayxSGZ/nEZt9KvPEQa9Zi462UUS3YMseTXlVaYbNIaXvF1FrJ89zHv8O6O2MM2r To+IStEgpMqLibqfJLbOZoz+kA73N8atsV04k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=a/kUDf7tdk3J0McEif9+FL8rs/xCN0/7gLbEb3HGH890qmwhXNqRg5o3bOHCRAyxyJ tpuUFMHCvuXoQJK9dnT6xbDe/cj5mnVVGpCd/Ts2ZnNfNSmBrDVjjDAgr7z2uSqDyJ5/ vfSEHfWQf6n6olvLnwFfoM40jJ6jsUtvuCo+I= Received: by 10.141.5.17 with SMTP id h17mr4375987rvi.165.1229441349308; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.33.12 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:29:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:29:09 +0900 From: "munkhbayar batkhuu" To: "Nguyen Tam Chinh" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <64b284310812131731j149eedf1o91e0edf94b5fc1fd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <64b284310812131731j149eedf1o91e0edf94b5fc1fd@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:29:11 -0000 Thank you for all replies. I learned new CMS's. I decided to switch Mambo to other FreeBSD 7.0 server for temporarily. And planning to upgrade older FreeBSD 5.4 to 7.0. Short time frame not allows me to switch contents to new CMS. Anyway, it's sad that current ports tree still have old Mambo version, new release already in their site /belives they fixed security hole in old version: http://mambo-code.org/gf/project/mambo/news/?action=NewsThreadView&id=103 "Mambo 4.6.5, codename "Jupiter", has been released. This is a maintenance and security release which fixes some potentially serious security vulnerabilities affecting all earlier versions of 4.6."/. Best regards Munkh On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Nguyen Tam Chinh wrote: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:26 PM, munkhbayar batkhuu wrote: >> Dear all FreeBSD list members. >> >> One of my old FreeBSD-5.4 server is installed with Mambo (4.6.2 Bug >> Stomp Pre-Release 2, not installed from ports) and I'm going to >> upgrade this Content Management System (CMS) to FreeBSD-7 and tried to >> install Mambo via ports. >> New portaudit installed system says Mambo have security issue and >> can't be installed. And I'm not going to use Mambo. (I know Mambo have >> long standing history of security issues). >> It seems that Joomla will be installed fine (,however). >> >> My question is, "Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, >> which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?". >> > > How about WordPress? Its code is very nice :) > > -- > With best regards, > Chinh Nguyen > > *********************************** > FreeBSD - The Power to Serve > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:31:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5FD1065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:31:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0268FC1F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:31:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGFVadQ061737; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:31:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGFVafl061734; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:31:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:31:35 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: KES In-Reply-To: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> Message-ID: <20081216162939.L61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ambigious 'top' results X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:31:42 -0000 are you using 7-branch? in my 7.1 system there is same problem. top shows often nonsense in CPU usage of a process, but totals are OK. you even gave an example - bzip2 can't use 0% CPU running - more close to 100% :) as long as everything goes fine 100% CPU load is OK. if it's mostly mysql then optimize your database, if you can't change hardware From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:32:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A621065677 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54B48FC17 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABB9FD28D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:32:03 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id E938FFD28C; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:32:03 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_50, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28,HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.5.3] (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 852BCFD248 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:32:00 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4947C9EF.1060606@zzz.ee> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:31:59 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081216142942.GA14998@lpthe.jussieu.fr> In-Reply-To: <20081216142942.GA14998@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040609050905080404020707" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Python with many threads X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:32:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040609050905080404020707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michel Talon wrote: > Nothing limits the number of concurrent threads. Personnally i have > checked i can run Grub Next Generation Python Client with 600 threads > without any problem. > niobe% uname -a > FreeBSD niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Jul > 22 10:31:01 CEST 2008 > niobe% python > Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Jul 5 2008, 13:44:44) > Still, something locks up in the system, when I increase the number Python threads with http://grub.org/?q=en/node/204 With more than 50 threads I start to get random messages like: Exception in thread 40: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/threading.py", line 486, in __bootstrap_inner self.run() The frequency of these messages increases with 70 threads. And with 200 threads the system locks up totally -- almost no access from web. [I can still access the system and kill the process :) ] Clearly, there is some limit in the system. It is not memory, cpu or bandwidth. If the number of threads is also not limited, it must be something else. What might it be? Network traffic is moderate: IP traffic > Recall that python threads are just native threads, but these threads > are protected from trashing the python state by a single lock, the GIL, > which is released when you do IO. This allows to effectively thread IO, > but not python computation. The FreeBSD thread library has no particular > limitations, you can run hundreds or thousands of threads without much > problem, for example under Java. > > > Regards, O.K. [sorry for HTML message in the list] -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ --------------040609050905080404020707-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:32:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD65106567D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:32:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66FE8FC36 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGFWYNH061763; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:32:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGFWYu6061760; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:32:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:32:34 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bernard Dugas In-Reply-To: <4947C7D9.6090909@dugas-family.org> Message-ID: <20081216163146.E61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947C7D9.6090909@dugas-family.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:32:41 -0000 >> boot. > > Thanks a lot ! > > 1- How may i suggest/learn to add this info in the random generator man page, > so that a search in doc gives the right result ? use sent-pr > > 2- As / will be mounted read-only, how can i tell the ramdom generator to put > this /entropy file somewhere in /var, where i think it should be ? Or is > there any tricky hidden problem ? man rc.conf seek entropy_file and entropy_dir From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:33:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149331065708 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:33:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94FF8FC1A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:32:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGFWpCY061770; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:32:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGFWpvH061767; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:32:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:32:51 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: RW In-Reply-To: <20081216152442.76c8722d@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: <20081216163242.F61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081216152442.76c8722d@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:33:00 -0000 >> shutdown it's saved from random generator. > > Only at shutdown, the entropy stored every eleven minutes is > in /var/db/entropy/ thanks for correction. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:35:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32AE1065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:35:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF198FC25 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:35:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC6FB84E; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:35:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 37410-10; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:35:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.59] (unknown [81.28.194.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:35:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4947CB44.30705@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:37:40 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> <20081216160327.N61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081216160327.N61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:35:52 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > mount_unionfs > > but i don't know how stable it is. Thanks to fill my dreams :-) The dream is close, but still a dream :-( http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mount_unionfs&sektion=8&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.0-RELEASE "BUGS THIS FILE SYSTEM TYPE IS NOT YET FULLY SUPPORTED (READ: IT DOESN'T WORK)AND USING IT MAY, IN FACT, DESTROY DATA ON YOUR SYSTEM. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. BEWARE OF DOG. SLIPPERY WHEN WET." Sad not to be a coder... Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:55:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FF41065748 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B81E8FC23 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF3B36282; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:55:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:57:10 +0100 From: cpghost To: Richard M Stallman Message-ID: <20081216155710.GA1426@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPL version 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:55:24 -0000 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:38:35AM -0500, Richard M Stallman wrote: > I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be > freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. > > You have it right. Copyleft licenses defend freedom for all users by > stopping middlemen from stripping it away. > > We have no plans for a version 4 of the GNU GPL. > It might happen some day, but we are not working on it. > As of now, we do not need to change GPL version 3. Thank you for clarifying this. AFAICS, FreeBSD tries to stick to GPLv2 GNU tools in the base system (ports has more recent versions of course) and tries to avoid GPLv3 for now. Yet another license right now would only complicate matters even more. ;-) Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:56:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41AB1065679 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6278FC1B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so427711eyi.7 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:56:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VBfoJU//n71Jm2Coj6ZXBsnNH/zR7urMQZxSb8dUVvY=; b=ifhjyYQDg6nCh7jKGCCWBbIad2zW4pnU7f9+vdU8a6YyxosyUyPEwlz5VUU4VAe79O xUOBINc0brdXNUUK9Atp/oP3Bp09rsGqgVJ0pm739HlInIS4Dw/afOX8R6SeocqkH7bP YgNpgTHGFGtCkOYlpZAPm/vrHAcKW85y50LgY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nACAQEdC6++buVLJNesZxk1p0okSckC3EyEKblL5tWnZPcxCtW9sHFm7TAFKKuXrHX pLzJAFQlMzmJRxpSnKCsDiP5Fols5Xi86OZK26qT5Ol9DjaUyr060Lu6F7yVR/HT9TEV KwNWqVVLZe6P6/c6kttpPC1g4FJXfGb5q7OYA= Received: by 10.210.88.7 with SMTP id l7mr6130973ebb.135.1229442973917; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b30sm14654752ika.19.2008.12.16.07.56.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:56:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:56:08 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081216155608.18a8e51a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4947C7D9.6090909@dugas-family.org> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947C7D9.6090909@dugas-family.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:56:15 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:23:05 +0100 Bernard Dugas wrote: > 2- As / will be mounted read-only, how can i tell the ramdom > generator to put this /entropy file somewhere in /var, where i think > it should be ? Or is there any tricky hidden problem ? It has to be on the root partition as it's used in the early stage of the boot before any other partitions are mounted, but like like I said there are other entropy files that are applied a little later as a boot, and on most machines enough entropy will be generated from the disk interrupts to suffice anyway. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 16:08:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD5E1065676 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:08:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBED68FC22 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4119D3C9D3; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:08:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBGG8R35024071; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:08:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:08:27 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20081216170827.aed39fee.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081216105710.O59100@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> <20081215222314.GA61777@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20081216021626.GB64553@thought.org> <20081216041014.52b54151.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081216105710.O59100@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions about some archive files, type *.rar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:08:39 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:59:39 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > you may create small .iso image that consist of some stupid images, readme > or autorun configured to format c: ;), then strip first 512 bytes of it > with > > dd if=winiso.iso bs=512 skip=1 of=tmp;mv tmp winiso.iso > > THEN > > tar Your files as you said, but put winiso.iso first :) > > this way - unix user using tar will extract what's needed (just have to > delete winiso.iso after), windoze user will see what you wanted in > winiso.iso Good evening Wojciech, I didn't know you could be such a mean guy! :-) This is one of the most excellent ideas I read from this list so far. I think I'll play with this a bit and surely find some "Windows" users to annoy. "What, you cannot read the files? Let me check... tar... bla bla... no, works as intended. Please check your installation and ask your local dealer for the latest 'Windows' update, something's wrong on your side, maybe you have a virus?" Another impolite idea: DialogBox hInstance bla "In order to play this DVD, you need to install an operating systen on your computer. Please delete 'Windows' and replace it with an OS. Thank you. Your system will be shut down now." Ah... autorun.inf and exit_windows_ex() are such modern tools that make the life easier. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 16:16:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1ACE1065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry.byrne@wbtsystems.com) Received: from hermes.wbtsystems.com (87-198-244-212.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.244.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F5C8FC12 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry.byrne@wbtsystems.com) Received: from SUNYA (sunya.wbt.wbtsystems.com [10.12.1.114]) by hermes.wbtsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 84E3FF740E; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:00:41 +0000 (GMT) From: "Barry Byrne" To: "'Gary Hartl'" , "'FreeBSD Questions'" References: <000501c95f8b$9edb12e0$dc9138a0$@com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:00:58 -0000 Message-ID: <23DA59E6FA9F45F9BC2B5F582975003B@wbt.wbtsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000501c95f8b$9edb12e0$dc9138a0$@com> Thread-Index: Aclfi53Q0S+mYzRiSBCJLwxsRP26yAAC1Zcg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Cc: Subject: RE: PHP5 as apache module using packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:16:22 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Hartl > Sent: 16 December 2008 14:36 > To: FreeBSD Questions > Ok so i've reinstalled fBSD-7 and i'm running apache 2.2 > installed using > pkg_add > > I need to also run php as a module for apache (the web > software i'm using > requires php as module no cgi). > > Now I pkg_add'ed php5 from sparc64/all tree on ftp.freebsd.org, > > I think I missed passing a variable throu to php. > > My question is how do I know what variables I can pass throu > to a package to > adjust its installation. Gary: If you want to configure things differntly to the compiled default of a package, then you probably should be using ports instead of packages. This chapter in the handbook explains some differences. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html - Barry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 16:18:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754A2106567B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A76C8FC12 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:18:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so1400504anc.13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:18:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=RHunnEIOJllkkqck0MaiWMu13NNhAhLRwiKoNQIvKEE=; b=uf5+9wz4kfMN9dqGSDKYMv0oG1aMSOUEN/f41YiyaPxxMhziuNTb9RqOnk6d5G/1xr QJnjSLSjL59jeqxMirqnyUhiIX5/cg7CWkU8wLSnl46lMBsLirPDJxi1FezgM1pMwwnT LgYTeu0riMNRuXAGuDXhD/6/JavCvM2GGAzeo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; b=r9C++fYAdvk30t5aPg/BK6RVibE7ohBcGlygRt5CwHt3jj3CcZ5hoFgoueYIoSSwgD 0efpRtFqiEgC3q8e8Zm3fLL091SKeUIh8KuTCWE1ipFMjSZFJMGzpnUDMBjE5aRR6Ps3 jqp+gaq17UDMBb2r5uYQgN3XhbU1eyXmXmNPY= Received: by 10.64.96.3 with SMTP id t3mr7502682qbb.96.1229444284963; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9sm128657qbp.15.2008.12.16.08.18.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:18:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "'FreeBSD Questions'" References: <000501c95f8b$9edb12e0$dc9138a0$@com> <23DA59E6FA9F45F9BC2B5F582975003B@wbt.wbtsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <23DA59E6FA9F45F9BC2B5F582975003B@wbt.wbtsystems.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:17:45 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c95f99$d54eb530$7fec1f90$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aclfi53Q0S+mYzRiSBCJLwxsRP26yAAC1ZcgAAC0d3A= Content-Language: en-ca Subject: RE: PHP5 as apache module using packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:18:06 -0000 > Ok so i've reinstalled fBSD-7 and i'm running apache 2.2 > installed using > pkg_add > > I need to also run php as a module for apache (the web > software i'm using > requires php as module no cgi). > > Now I pkg_add'ed php5 from sparc64/all tree on ftp.freebsd.org, > > I think I missed passing a variable throu to php. > > My question is how do I know what variables I can pass throu > to a package to > adjust its installation. Gary: If you want to configure things differntly to the compiled default of a package, then you probably should be using ports instead of packages. This chapter in the handbook explains some differences. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html - Barry Thanks Barry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 16:37:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6D01065675 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259368FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) Received: from pd2ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.134]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Dec 2008 09:09:16 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=9FOlX-xqJbJqf40b4dQA:9 a=Uubtwy9D30Pf5_elE-Tfdet2OpMA:4 Received: from s010600121729c74c.vc.shawcable.net (HELO proven.lan) ([24.85.241.34]) by pd2ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Dec 2008 09:09:15 -0700 Received: from proven.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proven.lan (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGG9FVO028449 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:09:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by proven.lan (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBGG9E0W028448 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:09:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: proven.lan: npapke set sender to fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca using -f From: Norbert Papke Organization: Archaeological Filing To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:09:14 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <958977.77379.qm@web24105.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20081216125830.384a9b6f.cyb.@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20081216125830.384a9b6f.cyb.@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812160809.14561.fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca> Subject: Re: Limewire 4.18 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:37:09 -0000 On December 16, 2008, Andreas Rudisch wrote: > A Vuze developer told me, that transfers via UDP and TCP are using > different sets of native java APIs. TCP is non-blocking IO, so there > could be a problem in the FreeBSD Java code. This is a stab in the dark (I am not a Vuze) user but I have had similar problems with other Java apps (e.g., Netbeans, Tomcat). The VM's TCP stack, for some reason, wants to use IPv6. To force it to use IPv4, invoke Java with "-Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true". You can do this either on the command line or by setting the JAVA_OPTS environment variable. Cheers, -- Norbert Papke. Grand Master Turing once dreamed that he was a machine. When he awoke he exclaimed: "I don't know whether I am Turing dreaming that I am a machine, or a machine dreaming that I am Turing!" (The Tao Of Programming) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 16:41:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA6D106567B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1968FC2A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LCcz8-000D5Q-EY; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: <4947DA33.9050807@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:41:23 -0500 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080726) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bg271828@yahoo.com References: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:41:28 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote: > I have a FreeBSD 7.0 system that im using in production. I want to create a FreeBSD virtual machine, to use as a testbed for this production box. > > The last time i did this it took a lot of time to get the VM set up--installing all the right ports, getting the database configuration right, etc. > > Are there any shortcuts for this, e.g. a way i can automatically install the same ports on the new "machine"? I didnt see anything in the handbook or FAQ about this, but id think that people need to do this all the time. Any other advice for mirroring the system? > > Thanks! > > Jen > Hi Jen, I am assuming that you are using VMware, but if that's not the case, please respond to the thread. VMware Converter (http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/) is typically used to convert a physical machine to a VM, but I'm not sure that it will work with FreeBSD. If it doesn't, then I think you need to use a tool like Norton Ghost, Acronis TrueImage or Partimage (http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page) to create a disk image of your production machine. Once you do that, create your VM, boot with the rescue image of the tool that you chose and use it to restore the production machine disk image into your VM. Reboot and you should have a VM that only requires some minimal reconfiguration. Hope that helps, Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ http://www.sourcehosting.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklH2jMACgkQ0sRouByUApAbUwCfZaX7Pm9jJjxKmOHZhE5DQcpB 6S8AoLSuy35SuUu3XfxFsUd7OJIYWiYi =2kfG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 17:01:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E4B1065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A8F8FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGH14hV062080; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:01:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGH136i062077; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:01:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:01:03 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20081216170827.aed39fee.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20081216175539.C62057@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081215200949.GA48169@thought.org> <20081215222314.GA61777@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20081216021626.GB64553@thought.org> <20081216041014.52b54151.freebsd@edvax.de> <20081216105710.O59100@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081216170827.aed39fee.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions about some archive files, type *.rar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:01:31 -0000 > Thank you. Your system will be shut down now." > > Ah... autorun.inf and exit_windows_ex() are such modern tools autorun.inf is a few windows thing that is simple and even works. just remember to strip this first 512 bytes from iso file, as 512 bytes will be takes by tar header before iso file. ISO-9660 has such nice things as first 16 sectors are ignored, so it doesn't matter if it's zeros or tar header. personally - i use it not to annoy winusers, but to make DVDs with "hidden contents". like - first part visible to everyone, everything else - to the ones who know things. other way to do this is to use bsdlabels, windows will ignore this, while in FreeBSD you can have /dev/cd0a with ISO data, and /dev/cd0b with "hidden" data. this hidden data can be ISO format too, or tar, or UFS, and it can be encrypted with geli. if you do this - please DO USE ggatel to simulate 2kB sectored device before doing bsdlabel!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 17:19:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AC71065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:19:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 401158FC20 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 18522 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Dec 2008 17:20:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:20:03 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081216172003.GA18482@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <139b44430812130252u289d36bdmbc7c89dbc92c718c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <139b44430812130252u289d36bdmbc7c89dbc92c718c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:19:42 -0000 LDAP is the way to go. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 17:26:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867A0106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bg271828@yahoo.com) Received: from web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F30C8FC1B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bg271828@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72510 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2008 17:26:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=24AajLOviZg+6RbgxuksoHnIJDLj6RzThNKCmmvIrQWHb3VT4Sx4CkzL71UbDF29yjiXl0UqoLu/x9RzjG/H2pFAzxCPaoJOrK1bflA1nUaWw80oDa9OMb5YF2j2WH7WqTZW8cAsGvZkJt8ui7T3UgrK9gJMAoZqZsC6M2WA1HY=; X-YMail-OSG: vR_lv5IVM1mr43TDqkYtm7tfk39s4LVBi6vZfMbve8jCHEF1S.rAH2AkryJYo4Agbv75oCjeYEAAu9Bjf.ZVWQehJmWyjnbBfHi0MECXEGCa8BKnMFyikZcV0aYmJk7yAbyTfsogVmkdm5vmK6AhH0aLzqLt5UL_KhtZz5JMLvM5yRMFrnmDmI0e95e25yIsoVzU9FTDyqsYh7lAEpWdbj.9Y2E0j2wYcg-- Received: from [12.182.77.130] by web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:26:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:26:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum" To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <4947DA33.9050807@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <220166.72256.qm@web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bg271828@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:26:07 -0000 --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Greg Larkin wrote: > From: Greg Larkin > Subject: Re: Copying system/ports configuration? > To: bg271828@yahoo.com > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:41 AM > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote: > > I have a FreeBSD 7.0 system that im using in > production. I want to create a FreeBSD virtual machine, to > use as a testbed for this production box. > > > > The last time i did this it took a lot of time to get > the VM set up--installing all the right ports, getting the > database configuration right, etc. > > > > Are there any shortcuts for this, e.g. a way i can > automatically install the same ports on the new > "machine"? I didnt see anything in the handbook or > FAQ about this, but id think that people need to do this all > the time. Any other advice for mirroring the system? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jen > > > > Hi Jen, > > I am assuming that you are using VMware, but if that's > not the case, > please respond to the thread. No, im using VirtualBox. I had tried VMware but foundit much harder to use. I dont quickly see a free tool to do this. Maybe its easier to do this from scratch.... Jen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 17:26:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F081065678 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:26:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D5CD8FC22 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Dec 2008 17:26:44 -0000 Received: from pD952E4A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO core2duo.local) [217.82.228.164] by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 18:26:44 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4870692 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ootA0w6Fo/nvt/KdfLKe/IL/DNU1ucxn2g9qo4l O9ITh9eXHvs1mx Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:26:40 +0100 From: Andreas Rudisch To: Norbert Papke Message-Id: <20081216182640.9325f297.cyb.@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <200812160809.14561.fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca> References: <958977.77379.qm@web24105.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20081216125830.384a9b6f.cyb.@gmx.net> <200812160809.14561.fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Tue__16_Dec_2008_18_26_40_+0100_oD7zWp5QV.zBOm=0" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limewire 4.18 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:26:47 -0000 --Signature=_Tue__16_Dec_2008_18_26_40_+0100_oD7zWp5QV.zBOm=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:09:14 -0800 Norbert Papke wrote: > This is a stab in the dark (I am not a Vuze) user but I have had similar= =20 > problems with other Java apps (e.g., Netbeans, Tomcat). The VM's TCP sta= ck,=20 > for some reason, wants to use IPv6. To force it to use IPv4, invoke Java= =20 > with "-Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=3Dtrue". You can do this either on the= =20 > command line or by setting the JAVA_OPTS environment variable. Thank you, but that does not help either. Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565 | http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 --Signature=_Tue__16_Dec_2008_18_26_40_+0100_oD7zWp5QV.zBOm=0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklH5NMACgkQ8P3NNypXNWXY6wCgpZZc6ysURP8IsiYJK73MFKnT XCYAni1INBtpjzmWuBjLCUzjNdRpx/AP =q68j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Tue__16_Dec_2008_18_26_40_+0100_oD7zWp5QV.zBOm=0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 17:35:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400451065676 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:35:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12188FC19 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2373CD0F; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:35:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBGHZoAp024601; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:35:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:35:49 +0100 From: Polytropon To: bg271828@yahoo.com Message-Id: <20081216183549.af9764f8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <220166.72256.qm@web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4947DA33.9050807@FreeBSD.org> <220166.72256.qm@web53406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: glarkin@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:35:58 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:26:05 -0800 (PST), "Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum" wrote: > I dont quickly see a free tool to do this. Maybe its easier > to do this from scratch.... The handbook mentions a common method to transfer installed systems partition-wise using dump and restore. Maybe this is useful to you in order to avoid an installation from scratch. And finaly, there's always dd. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Mahol" To: KES In-Reply-To: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ambigious 'top' results X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:46:23 -0000 T24gMTIvMTYvMDgsIEtFUyA8a2VzLWtlc0B5YW5kZXgucnU+IHdyb3RlOgo+IPrE0sHX09TX1crU xSwgUXVlc3Rpb25zLgo+Cj4gTXkgc3lzdGVtIGlzIG92ZXJsb2FkZWQsIEkgcnVuIHRvcCB0byBm aWd1cmUgb3V0IHdoaWNoIHByZWNlc3MgdGFrZQo+IHRpbWUuIEluIGJvdGggY2FzZXMgQ1BVL1dD UFUgSSBkbyBub3Qgc2VlIHdoaWNoIHByb2Nlc3MgdGFrZSBhbGwgdGhlCj4gdGltZS4gV2hpY2gg cHJvY2VzcyB0YWtlIGFsbCBwcm9jZXNzb3IgdGltZT8/Cj4KPiBsYXN0IHBpZDogMjQ1MzU7ICBs b2FkIGF2ZXJhZ2VzOiAgMy44NiwgIDMuMDcsICAzLjA3ICAgIHVwIDErMTM6MzQ6MjgKCklmIGxh c3QgcGlkIGdyb3cgdmVyeSBmYXN0LCB0aGFuIHNvbWUgcHJvY2VzcyBhcmUgc3Bhd2luZyBsaWtl IG1hZC4KCi0tIApQYXVsCg== From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 18:20:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEE61065675 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CEF8FC1F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:20:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1901049ywe.13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:20:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=F/vtXKqUL8Z+O0duiY+eFKhutyYpZopNKuPCH/X/KGs=; b=GGIrUXbQSha4ozsMD+F5UA9sbMEefnEs0YGcVfSzh3qtiaWtzizwuwjE7b0ADAOmKC SixWI1j2XV9Ea4fq5tUaLDigjoYuITy6+kU52k0jk8ls9l7rQEM+ggCFFfYWwMvzA5Z2 WqwIcgI2uKQ08dcVTKAUFcrWQeN6yl1JDeOwo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=AX7zAJzakrSB3bMkzfSLLsIImD/CUfL5Hr/OWXoMKVga5TKryohcFCrpXD9rFLKg33 2ZUZ+Fnyh/oGD2aGCig64Pq3QsfrE0r2cc2i6vL0qC1MprGwRvMqBeBSEQGElSMzBd7o iQq6+CGswR/bquF2RJTn5E86MGr8UNJF2TsHg= Received: by 10.64.251.17 with SMTP id y17mr7621457qbh.9.1229451613678; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm4225532qbw.1.2008.12.16.10.20.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:20:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c95faa$e5d37790$b17a66b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclfquTPwyZ6sEN3TbmsyhwTSyI6Hw== Content-Language: en-ca Subject: loader.conf fbsd 7-release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:20:15 -0000 Hi all; I need to add something to loader.conf which according to me should be in /boot Has something changed so that it wouldn't be there anymore. Or do i just create it and it will parse it out at boot. I need to add accf_http_load="YES" to correct a problem with apache22 giving me the prompt/error (2)No such file or directory: Failed to enable the 'httpready' Accept Filter Thanks Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 18:59:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978001065673 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C4E8FC1A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:59:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGIx7EG062292; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:59:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGIx713062289; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:59:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:59:07 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Dan In-Reply-To: <20081216172003.GA18482@ourbrains.org> Message-ID: <20081216195849.X62284@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <139b44430812130252u289d36bdmbc7c89dbc92c718c@mail.gmail.com> <20081216172003.GA18482@ourbrains.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:59:16 -0000 > LDAP is the way to go. the right tool for the task is the way to go. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 19:09:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46F01065676 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DCB8FC19 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LCfIe-0005kW-Ea for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:09:44 -0800 Message-ID: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:09:45 -0000 I have a new system put together (see below). In booting it up for the first time, it hangs. I'm booting from a FreeBSD 7.0 distribution on a USB drive. Here are the messages, in part... . . . sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hptrr: no controller detected. The GEOM class LABEL is already loaded. *** HANG *** Where should I look to troubleshoot? My hardware is...   Motherboard: MSI K9N2G Neo-FD   Processor: AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz Socket AM2+ Quad-Core   Memory: Rendition by Crucial 1GB (x4) DDR2 SDRAM (PC2 6400)   Disk Drives: 2x Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD753LJ 750GB 7200 RPM SATA   I have the disks in a RAID 1 configuration via the motherboard.   There is no other hardware in the case, and I'm booting from USB. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21039625.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 19:22:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BC21065675 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: from av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850068FC18 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 2CF9838B20; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:22:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62BB382C2; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:22:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90-227-65-237-no41.tbcn.telia.com [90.227.65.237]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50AB37E4B; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:22:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4947FFE2.5050302@telia.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:22:10 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson <240olofsson@telia.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org References: <4945035C.6040401@telia.com> <20081214132304.GA97385@free.bsd.loc> <49452D09.5030003@telia.com> <4946D452.2020104@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4946D452.2020104@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jeff Laine , raggen@raggens.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raggen@raggens.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:22:15 -0000 Greg Larkin skrev: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Roger Olofsson wrote: >> >> Jeff Laine skrev: >>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:00:12PM +0100, Roger Olofsson wrote: >>>> Dear mailing list, >>>> >>>> I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - >>>> however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky >>>> and gives referrer errors for me. >>>> >>>> Pre-conditions. >>>> Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other >>>> dynamical IP from ISP. >>>> >>>> Question: What is the canonical way for catching the IP address from >>>> a DHCP assigned nic (from ISP that doesn't set hostname) and put the >>>> IP into /etc/hosts with a hostname? >>>> >>>> Reason for asking >>>> Firewall rules needs refreshing after new IP >>>> >>>> Possible answers: >>>> Create dhcp-exit-hooks (undocumented?) in /etc like so: >>>> >>>> #!/bin/sh >>>> >>>> if [ ! -z "$new_ip_address" ]; then >>>> IP=`ifconfig WAN | grep 'inet' | grep -v 'inet6' | cut -f 2 -d ' '` >>>> if [ ! -z "$IP" ]; then >>>> echo "$IP wan.local.domain wan" >> /etc/hosts >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> fi >>>> fi >>>> >>> Hello. I think pf can handle with dhcp updates on interfaces pretty well. >>> If only I get your question right. >>> >>> > >> Hi Jeff and thank you for your reply, >> >> Yes, I know that pf will handle interfaces just fine, the question was >> not specific to pf though but more around dhclient, dhclient-script and >> the part of dhclient-script that calls the undocumented >> dhclient-exit-hooks. >> >> It might be handy to have the external IP assigned to a hostname - not >> only for pf. >> >> /R > > > Hi Roger, > > I wrote a blog post about automatically configuring /etc/hosts with a > DHCP dynamic IP address earlier this year: > http://blog.sourcehosting.net/tag/dhcp/. You can download a ZIP file > with the dhclient-exit-hook script in it near the bottom of the page. > > In my case, I also wrote some commands to update the Apache httpd.conf > file with the correct ServerName directive. You can easily remove that > from the script if you don't need it. > > If you need any assistance, let me know. > > Regards, > Greg > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAklG1FEACgkQ0sRouByUApB1SACgmfJ4EtiyKdhyPgILZyc77Fxc > gHMAnRGGBWIya0Fg314LyrJZq9tTZvbj > =jHL5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1849 - Release Date: 2008-12-15 09:01 > Hello Greg, Thank you very much. I guess this is the canonical way of doing it. /R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 20:17:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0485A1065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:17:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF60E8FC22 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D69216C01B7; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:17:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBGKH8Cw025003; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:17:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:17:08 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Gary Hartl" Message-Id: <20081216211708.b8e5b221.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <001101c95faa$e5d37790$b17a66b0$@com> References: <001101c95faa$e5d37790$b17a66b0$@com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: loader.conf fbsd 7-release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:17:15 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:19:54 -0500, "Gary Hartl" wrote: > Hi all; > > I need to add something to loader.conf which according to me should be in > /boot > > Has something changed so that it wouldn't be there anymore. > > Or do i just create it and it will parse it out at boot. No, you're completely correct. /boot/loader.conf is to be created if neccessary to override /boot/defaults/loader.conf with the default settings. > I need to add > > accf_http_load="YES" > > to correct a problem with apache22 giving me the prompt/error > > (2)No such file or directory: Failed to enable the 'httpready' Accept Filter Just create the file and add the setting. It will then load /boot/kernel/accf_http.ko on system startup. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 20:20:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1175A1065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:20:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFE38FC12 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF73E16C0150; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:20:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBGKKFfD025040; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:20:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:20:15 +0100 From: Polytropon To: ThinkDifferently Message-Id: <20081216212015.800ab816.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:20:20 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:09:44 -0800 (PST), ThinkDifferently wrote: > > I have a new system put together (see below). In booting it up for the first > time, it hangs. > > I'm booting from a FreeBSD 7.0 distribution on a USB drive. > > Here are the messages, in part... > > [...] > > . > hptrr: no controller detected. It looks like there's a proble with the hptrr driver? Have you tried loading the "HighPoint RocketRAID device drive" by putting hptrr_load="YES" into /boot/loader.conf? Further information can be obtained by: % man hptrr Check if your particular controller is supported. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 20:23:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B32E1065673 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:23:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luizbcampos@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5B88FC1F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:23:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luizbcampos@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so1537230anc.13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:23:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=zVUzMR+MkEEJGo7r7oxbxNcQaOrSAj+8dOb3Fa4I5W4=; b=IH+loizbm+9/P8mOqjmmoS5Hgq8MSN9ijVRXE50tBfdmvEbPU7W3vo49cGbF0Hf8wJ BsBCQzc8ck7q3dJkobOxoRwTnyhGM43L6l0qZMTCEdEz2r2WpGTU69WVHLAGmP5F9MEI BUnvKdDM47fSe/1ZmbJeEmekpBt+sEk2K+7tc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CHKA25CmB4KyBTWJSPk5oBjD5CTALZARIJP0UbH789D1e416+mKoN9HwgLyeGXE2O2 y9kP9r7Ct4cQWo3Y4E+5OYYRpElSBLOO7AIU19hnIt1G9v5BDikGVuSVTrsxNj6CpXVo aPZJsuqPBlCY81jlGLDoFg3E6j+wHJ5kdpnfo= Received: by 10.100.141.10 with SMTP id o10mr6044011and.41.1229458994390; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.164.6 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:23:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:23:14 -0200 From: luizbcampos To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: LPRng x pdf files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:23:16 -0000 Does anyone know how to print a pdf file using LPRng? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 20:36:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F861065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757BB8FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 32026 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2008 20:36:22 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Dec 2008 20:36:21 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 539345084D; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:36:20 -0500 (EST) To: Bernard Dugas References: <4947B8AB.7000304@dugas-family.org> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:36:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4947B8AB.7000304@dugas-family.org> (Bernard Dugas's message of "Tue\, 16 Dec 2008 15\:18\:19 +0100") Message-ID: <44k59zg8mz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extracting changed files list from snapshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:36:22 -0000 Bernard Dugas writes: > I want to extract the list of files changed between 2 snapshots, to be > able to do efficient backups. > > Any idea where to find a document about snapshots internal structure ? > > Or if you know any port that already do this :-? An easier way would be to generate an mtree(1) description for each snapshot, and using that to compare against other snapshots. You have to mount the snapshot for that, though... -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 20:38:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B711065674 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B164F8FC24 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FF8B84F; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:38:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38349-10; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:37:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [212.109.69.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:37:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4948121C.7070700@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:39:56 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947C7D9.6090909@dugas-family.org> <20081216163146.E61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081216163146.E61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:38:03 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> 2- As / will be mounted read-only, how can i tell the ramdom generator >> to put this /entropy file somewhere in /var, where i think it should >> be ? Or is there any tricky hidden problem ? > > man rc.conf seek entropy_file and entropy_dir Thanks, detail is available in /etc/default/rc.conf : "entropy_file="/entropy" # Set to NO to disable caching entropy through reboots. # /var/db/entropy-file is preferred if / is not avail." It means that i can put it in /var when L is read-only. There should be no problem as the file is choosen in rc.conf, so after /var is mounted. As this is for diskless station, it would be fun to change the entropy file through the nfs server RANDOM, even better thant at each boot :-) Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 20:41:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEC11065674 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647E08FC1F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CB83C873; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:40:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBGKeqYQ025098; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:40:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:40:51 +0100 From: Polytropon To: luizbcampos Message-Id: <20081216214051.4d0cfcf6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LPRng x pdf files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:41:03 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:23:14 -0200, luizbcampos wrote: > Does anyone know how to print a pdf file using LPRng? In principle, % lpr filename.pdf Or you can use gv's or xpdf's print option which should place the PDF file's content into the printer job queue. If your printer is PostScript capable, you could eventually use pdf2ps and then feed the PS directly into the printer. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 20:44:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AC5106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:44:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389E98FC13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGKiIFD062678; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:44:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGKiIRd062675; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:44:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:44:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20081216214051.4d0cfcf6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20081216214258.D62674@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081216214051.4d0cfcf6.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: luizbcampos , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LPRng x pdf files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:44:46 -0000 > > Or you can use gv's or xpdf's print option which should place > the PDF file's content into the printer job queue. > > If your printer is PostScript capable, you could eventually > use pdf2ps and then feed the PS directly into the printer. if not - ghostscript processes both ps and pdf example filter for my laserjet 4 (minimally modified default) #!/bin/sh # # ifhp - Print Ghostscript-simulated PostScript on a DesJet 500 # Installed in /usr/local/libexec/hpif # # Treat LF as CR+LF: # printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 # # Read first two characters of the file # read first_line first_two_chars=`expr "$first_line" : '\(..\)'` if [ "$first_two_chars" = "%!" ]; then # # It is PostScript; use Ghostscript to scan-convert and print it # /usr/local/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -sDEVICE=ljet4 -sOutputFile=- - \ && exit 0 else # # Plain text or HP/PCL, so just print it directly; print a form # at the end to eject the last page. # echo "$first_line" && cat && printf "\f" && exit 0 fi exit 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 20:47:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D5F1065674 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57918FC1F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:47:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E075BB855; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:47:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38623-05; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:47:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [212.109.69.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:47:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49481468.7070601@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:49:44 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul B. Mahol" References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> <20081216160327.N61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <3a142e750812160715p751483edh610a4adb055d31a2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3a142e750812160715p751483edh610a4adb055d31a2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:47:51 -0000 Paul B. Mahol wrote: > On 12/16/08, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>When you want to change something, you add a rw TransparentLayer : >>>mount -tl yournfsserver:/StationYchanges/etc /etc >>> >>>So that changed or added files are only stored in this rw partition, thus >>>very small and easy to manage. >>> >>>This would be a kind of partition inheritance, like in object languages... >>> >>>Dreams are allowed :-) >> >>try mount_unionfs > > and mount_nullfs Thanks Paul, FreeBSD has always hidden treasures :-) MOUNT_NULLFS(8) doc is very detailled, but i can't find how to use it for my problem : being able to go from common shared configuration to specific private configuration. unionfs looks very close to my dream, but it is currently not available for production :-( Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 21:04:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F501065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065E98FC17 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:04:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93753B846; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:04:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38452-09; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:04:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [212.109.69.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:04:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49481863.8060606@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:06:43 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bg271828@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, dougb@dougbarton.us Subject: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:04:50 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:26:05 -0800 (PST), "Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum" wrote: > I dont quickly see a free tool to do this. Maybe its easier > to do this from scratch.... I just found last week ports-mngnt/portmaster that can help you to do that, and i have suggested portmaster author to add an -export option readable to built new ports on another computer. May be an -export-packages option would be nice also ? Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 21:15:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99D81065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A9D8FC27 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A8FB84E; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:15:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38623-06; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:15:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [212.109.69.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:15:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49481AFD.1070104@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:17:49 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rwmaillists@googlemail.com References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947C7D9.6090909@dugas-family.org> <20081216163146.E61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081216163146.E61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:15:56 -0000 Thank you RW, i am new on the list, i didn't answer you because i didn't received your answer while i received others, don't know why yet. I would be very interested to find a large but right view in the man documentation of what is happening exactly to this poor lost file :-) The etc/default/rc.conf detailled file is not searchable in the man page, nor the default /entropy file. Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 21:35:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BFF1065673 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:35:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5F78FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:35:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBGLZLig062773; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:35:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBGLZKcd062770; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:35:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:35:20 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bernard Dugas In-Reply-To: <49481468.7070601@dugas-family.org> Message-ID: <20081216223430.J62763@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> <20081216160327.N61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <3a142e750812160715p751483edh610a4adb055d31a2@mail.gmail.com> <49481468.7070601@dugas-family.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "Paul B. Mahol" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:35:30 -0000 > > MOUNT_NULLFS(8) doc is very detailled, but i can't find how to use it for my > problem : being able to go from common shared configuration to specific you can't - nullfs doesn't do this. use symlinks /etc containing tons of links to /sharedetc and few files instead of symlink - for those that are different. 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Please visit [5]www.mysbx.com to learn more about mySBX, or send inquiries to Jeff White ([6]jwhite@mysbx.com) mySBX LLC, 2008 References 1. http://www.mysbx.com/user/register/MYSBX-nruws 2. mailto:mikemcconnell44@yahoo.com 3. file://localhost/tmp/www.mysbx.com 4. mailto:registration@mysbx.com 5. file://localhost/tmp/www.mysbx.com 6. mailto:jwhite@mysbx.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 21:53:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4602C1065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CB58FC18 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7133CB852; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:53:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38452-10; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:52:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [212.109.69.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:52:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <494823B1.4020601@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:54:57 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lowell Gilbert References: <4947B8AB.7000304@dugas-family.org> <44k59zg8mz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44k59zg8mz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extracting changed files list from snapshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:53:06 -0000 Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Bernard Dugas writes: > > >>I want to extract the list of files changed between 2 snapshots, to be >>able to do efficient backups. >> >>Any idea where to find a document about snapshots internal structure ? >> >>Or if you know any port that already do this :-? > > > An easier way would be to generate an mtree(1) description for each > snapshot, and using that to compare against other snapshots. You have > to mount the snapshot for that, though... > -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 22:00:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31B11065678 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13F48FC25 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EA0B857; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:00:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 39193-02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:00:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [212.109.69.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:00:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49482565.1070107@dugas-family.org> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:02:13 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lowell Gilbert References: <4947B8AB.7000304@dugas-family.org> <44k59zg8mz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44k59zg8mz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extracting changed files list from snapshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:00:21 -0000 Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Bernard Dugas writes: > >>I want to extract the list of files changed between 2 snapshots, to be >>able to do efficient backups. >> >>Any idea where to find a document about snapshots internal structure ? >> >>Or if you know any port that already do this :-? > > An easier way would be to generate an mtree(1) description for each > snapshot, and using that to compare against other snapshots. You have > to mount the snapshot for that, though... Thanks for your answer, sorry not to be clear on the goal : find the changed files without having to read the whole LARGE disk. By definition, snapshot files have internally the list of block changed. So i would like to have a description of the internal structure of a snapshot file and a way to find the file by which any changed block is owned. Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 22:00:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399C2106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:00:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09C18FC1B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4D1425C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:01:33 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:00:45 +1000 Message-Id: <1229464846.1266.14.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:00:53 -0000 On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 15:02 +0100, Bernard Dugas wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > i already did such things but with NetBSD 1.5 for my Xterminal distro. > > > > it's simple: > > More simple when you tell it ;-) Thanks a lot, i will try it tonight ! > > > I wish it's helpful, doing this doesn't just save space but saves time - > > you have to upgrade software once. > > So preserving consistency, which is the most important when you have lot > of diskless stations ! > > > you may like to make /etc-common directory and put most of files there, > > and symlinks in each station's /etc > > In fact, it makes me think that we miss a concept in mount, or at least > i don't know it currently : > imagine a -tl (TransparentLayer) option for mount, allowing to mount > multiple source to the same directory, for instance /etc : > > mount -r yournfsserver:/basic/etc /etc > mount -tl -r yournfsserver:/TypeX/etc /etc > mount -tl -r yournfsserver:/StationY/etc /etc > > A file is first look for in yournfsserver:/StationY/etc, > then in yournfsserver:/TypeX/etc > and finally in yournfsserver:/basic/etc. > > This means that StationX will see in its /etc firts its specific files, > then the files dedicated to TypeX station (webserver, dns server, > workstation,...) and then all basic files unchanged from standard > distribution. > > When you want to change something, you add a rw TransparentLayer : > mount -tl yournfsserver:/StationYchanges/etc /etc > > So that changed or added files are only stored in this rw partition, > thus very small and easy to manage. > > This would be a kind of partition inheritance, like in object > languages... Dreams are allowed :-) Apparently that sort of thing is available on plan9 OS. Everything is a file so you can mount remote and local devices- plus merge them in a single directory. Check it out on wikipedia... Dreams can come true! :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 22:25:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38AB1065670 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:25:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719298FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:25:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2026702yxb.13 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:25:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=L6UiB2YAva3cPYcSwU/r/K9m1GmXfrgaLrePQmVAtTQ=; b=DeIX857cszeDgh4waEBdWQ7TBFM4A0NqL98NEd57TWKshT0/vtc3PqJpSzJCgXVyR4 IbJ5zPY7g5Mxfb98VMcOi+0sViBGk2cPwPqLmkt9nSRMyScZKzZPfttSKAHH3fEUrFzr kuMf3KCi2FZ4xfGrZlTBsbge/Ab4VJ+9kuUl0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=q3YB66X8idh03v1yHawyuQqlMyFrg5Yx3HvFPIm34sJ1dDmUwWRIgOmCtrRLIW2++R ifjkYOviSwpjO2EfoE+UQl2LECJUpLyTHp+kKhDoU7MixPjuoL+LwHhx4lLCPG6in3Yq UyurjaMsH3OEnclHlvjUgRjRfLPo0jleeiweQ= Received: by 10.231.20.5 with SMTP id d5mr196069ibb.25.1229466308156; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.202 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:25:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3a142e750812161425n33dd186au710d1df08d65c4a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:25:08 +0100 From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: "Bernard Dugas" In-Reply-To: <49481468.7070601@dugas-family.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> <20081216160327.N61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <3a142e750812160715p751483edh610a4adb055d31a2@mail.gmail.com> <49481468.7070601@dugas-family.org> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:25:09 -0000 On 12/16/08, Bernard Dugas wrote: > Paul B. Mahol wrote: > >> On 12/16/08, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>>>When you want to change something, you add a rw TransparentLayer : >>>>mount -tl yournfsserver:/StationYchanges/etc /etc >>>> >>>>So that changed or added files are only stored in this rw partition, thus >>>>very small and easy to manage. >>>> >>>>This would be a kind of partition inheritance, like in object >>>> languages... >>>> >>>>Dreams are allowed :-) >>> >>>try mount_unionfs >> >> and mount_nullfs > > Thanks Paul, FreeBSD has always hidden treasures :-) > > MOUNT_NULLFS(8) doc is very detailled, but i can't find how to use it > for my problem : being able to go from common shared configuration to > specific private configuration. > > unionfs looks very close to my dream, but it is currently not available > for production :-( Well, I tested unionfs on CURRENT and it did not crashed on me. Feel free to test it on 7 STABLE and report results to developers. -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 22:34:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B2D1065672 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0F28FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so4620941ewy.19 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:34:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ubz6pYTF7V3F4E6rs/pXhSt+gIW/Y+m5U6BkPQtr0OY=; b=ugzlIPzb5sXn/GpynCxrcI8SJGa83hwn6YJai5lOV+9GFg47og1MYu7NmKzlnqbfVr GzslL9IhK6p9dkU3XKAgGOzoVW0j95sBdztsqxi9QN1NQmHlKBOpDWmU8TgRXbTAiygv Cjy5uOL1ybwjI93OkRGvEDv+bMCzGmekAbVoE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jajngwORZVonM5FlP6IKrTW9vFpkOy+lu8Flptg9MOwKzZCBpbjXM4yDguEPpPAAX2 kkV3e1jkhGU1OcrVsU9UGt63BLbY2NDmAJJeB7SQ4uilOlMre2PH02fl5GiVoiA9JHY0 8H0+XGwEhpM9Y6sMMyEL5e1bDjukTTjT52AX0= Received: by 10.210.86.10 with SMTP id j10mr6628650ebb.167.1229466895872; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y34sm3403848iky.1.2008.12.16.14.34.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:34:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:34:51 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081216223451.457e100f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4948121C.7070700@dugas-family.org> References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <4947A83A.6050101@dugas-family.org> <20081216160701.L61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947C7D9.6090909@dugas-family.org> <20081216163146.E61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4948121C.7070700@dugas-family.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Any doc reference on /entropy file ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:34:57 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:39:56 +0100 Bernard Dugas wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> 2- As / will be mounted read-only, how can i tell the ramdom > >> generator to put this /entropy file somewhere in /var, where i > >> think it should be ? Or is there any tricky hidden problem ? > > > > man rc.conf seek entropy_file and entropy_dir > > Thanks, detail is available in /etc/default/rc.conf : > > "entropy_file="/entropy" # Set to NO to disable caching entropy > through reboots. > # /var/db/entropy-file is preferred if / is > not avail." > > It means that i can put it in /var when L is read-only. There should > be no problem as the file is choosen in rc.conf, so after /var is > mounted. Whatever it says in /etc/default/rc.conf, /entropy is read before /var is mounted. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 23:03:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF131065680 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:03:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76B68FC08 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95561B84E; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:03:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38623-08; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:03:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [212.109.69.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:03:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49483441.3030101@dugas-family.org> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:05:37 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul B. Mahol" References: <20081216094719.EDCEE1065675@hub.freebsd.org> <49478749.2030200@dugas-family.org> <20081216123057.M61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4947B50B.7010802@dugas-family.org> <20081216160327.N61449@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <3a142e750812160715p751483edh610a4adb055d31a2@mail.gmail.com> <49481468.7070601@dugas-family.org> <3a142e750812161425n33dd186au710d1df08d65c4a7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3a142e750812161425n33dd186au710d1df08d65c4a7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optimising pxeboot disk size X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:03:45 -0000 Paul B. Mahol wrote: > Well, I tested unionfs on CURRENT and it did not crashed on me. Feel > free to test it on 7 STABLE and report results to developers. Thanks for the feed-back, i will no more be afraid to test :-) I will tell you later, Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 23:24:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E354C106564A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamk@voicenet.com) Received: from spamfish.visualtech.com (h-67-102-187-40.phlapafg.covad.net [67.102.187.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38EB8FC0C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamk@voicenet.com) Received: from mailstore.visualtech.com (unknown [67.102.187.41]) by spamfish.visualtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18F481F48D7; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.35] (h-67-103-204-242.phlapafg.covad.net [67.103.204.242]) by mailstore.visualtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858CCADC242; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:45:03 -0500 (EST) From: Adam K Kirchhoff To: Gary Hartl In-Reply-To: <001101c95faa$e5d37790$b17a66b0$@com> References: <001101c95faa$e5d37790$b17a66b0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:33:07 -0500 Message-Id: <1229452387.5144.11.camel@memory.visualtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-visualtech-MailScanner: Found to be clean Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: loader.conf fbsd 7-release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:24:10 -0000 On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 13:19 -0500, Gary Hartl wrote: > Hi all; > > I need to add something to loader.conf which according to me should be in > /boot > > Has something changed so that it wouldn't be there anymore. > > Or do i just create it and it will parse it out at boot. > > I need to add > > accf_http_load="YES" > > to correct a problem with apache22 giving me the prompt/error > > (2)No such file or directory: Failed to enable the 'httpready' Accept Filter > > Thanks > > Gary If /boot/loader.conf does not exist, you can create it and add that line. Adam -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 23:42:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8015C1065674 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403D78FC1F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBGNhRRP092068 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:43:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:42:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:42:48 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:42:55 -0000 i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going to begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know there is at least one place, but it's been years. i thought i'd check here first because i'm not how to pose this as a good search. thanks, guys, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 00:12:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC89106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from smtpoutw.mac.com (smtpoutw.mac.com [17.250.248.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAA28FC1B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from webmail004 (webmail004-s [10.13.128.4]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw001/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id mBH0CKB8003688; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:12:19 -0900 From: Peter Giessel To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <104079537551833802407591023971219248307-Webmail@me.com> in-reply-to: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> references: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 69.178.5.90, 72.246.51.108 Received: from [69.178.5.90] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:12:19 -0900 Received: from [ 72.246.51.108] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:12:19 -0900 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:12:22 -0000 On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, "Gary Kline" wrote: > > i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going to > begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm > looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know > there is at least one place, but it's been years. Not free, but nearly so: http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/secdns/ $17.50/year = $1.46/month... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 01:03:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D3B1065675 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:03:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp174.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp174.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8978FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:03:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 51B3C1DD95F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 336261DD93A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:23:49 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:23:48 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: lang/php5 port Thread-Index: Aclf3bqceFhvyWb6QESZFW3k7iu0IQ== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:03:54 -0000 is there any documentation or a helpful website for how to use ports to install php5? i'm used to compiling it with a pretty long configuration command for all the optional bits i need, e.g. --with-dom --with-dom-xslt --enable-dom --with-pear --with-gd etc. etc. on and on. i'm unclear how these options are handled in freebsd ports. is it a matter of identifying lots of individual ports, one for each of the configuration command options i'd normally use? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 01:17:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48C31065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DDF38FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 26379 invoked by uid 89); 17 Dec 2008 01:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 01:27:24 -0000 Message-ID: <49485322.4010401@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:17:22 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Worster References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:17:29 -0000 Tom Worster wrote: > is there any documentation or a helpful website for how to use ports to > install php5? > > i'm used to compiling it with a pretty long configuration command for all > the optional bits i need, e.g. --with-dom --with-dom-xslt --enable-dom > --with-pear --with-gd etc. etc. on and on. > > i'm unclear how these options are handled in freebsd ports. is it a matter > of identifying lots of individual ports, one for each of the configuration > command options i'd normally use? >From what I can tell (and how I normally do it) is simply put your familiar command line compile args in the Makefile within the ports tree. If you follow the flow of the existing Makefile, it should become clear as to how to add your custom args. Simply: # cd /usr/ports/lang/php5 # ee (or if you please 'vi') Makefile # make install [clean] ...any problems, report back. Ironically, I just did this type of PHP install today. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 01:27:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A5F1065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@net24.co.nz) Received: from omr.mail.isx.net.nz (omr.mail.isx.net.nz [210.5.49.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76128FC1E for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:27:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@net24.co.nz) Received: from 210.55.30.56 (EHLO _127.0.0.1_) ([210.55.30.56]) by omr.mail.isx.net.nz (MOS 3.8.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AGV23751 (AUTH brett@net24.co.nz); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:27:33 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <49485594.3050709@net24.co.nz> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:27:48 +1300 From: Brett Davidson Organization: Net24 Limited User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Bertrand References: <49485322.4010401@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <49485322.4010401@ibctech.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Tom Worster Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:27:35 -0000 > Tom Worster wrote: > >> is there any documentation or a helpful website for how to use ports to >> install php5? >> >> i'm used to compiling it with a pretty long configuration command for all >> the optional bits i need, e.g. --with-dom --with-dom-xslt --enable-dom >> --with-pear --with-gd etc. etc. on and on. >> >> i'm unclear how these options are handled in freebsd ports. is it a matter >> of identifying lots of individual ports, one for each of the configuration >> command options i'd normally use? >> > > Run make config on the php port to see if any configuration options you need are mentioned there. I normally utlise the php-extensions port - run make config in there for options. Cheers, Brett. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 01:33:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648411065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:33:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0B578FC1B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:33:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 26891 invoked by uid 89); 17 Dec 2008 01:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 01:43:34 -0000 Message-ID: <494856EB.5000608@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:33:31 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Davidson References: <49485322.4010401@ibctech.ca> <49485594.3050709@net24.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <49485594.3050709@net24.co.nz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Tom Worster Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:33:38 -0000 Brett Davidson wrote: > >> Tom Worster wrote: >> >>> is there any documentation or a helpful website for how to use ports to >>> install php5? >>> >>> i'm used to compiling it with a pretty long configuration command for >>> all >>> the optional bits i need, e.g. --with-dom --with-dom-xslt --enable-dom >>> --with-pear --with-gd etc. etc. on and on. >>> >>> i'm unclear how these options are handled in freebsd ports. is it a >>> matter >>> of identifying lots of individual ports, one for each of the >>> configuration >>> command options i'd normally use? >>> >> >> > Run make config on the php port to see if any configuration options you > need are mentioned there. > I normally utlise the php-extensions port - run make config in there for > options. One of the reasons I've had to edit Makefile manually was because a client needed JPEG support. At the time, `make config' didn't provide that option. You make a couple of valuable points however. It would be easier if the OP's demands could be met with your method. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 01:43:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FD61065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6488FC14 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a1so2165633tib.3 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:43:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=mGeAtcv1Bi0S7IHsnySV6V2HvnuMZI0jOHhCh8tXTEU=; b=Qvl8ptzDrIK4HsJSR6tRoB98MdRP5snmPq+8tcuZr8E3Hh6gq+x0h5tcu53W9+AdAG ABdVMS93d6pfngVUtTtjDbYgHcqNYw/lTEstJGIFHFLD30oOn/0Jkg6OSvZt4xuO/oNh mgsNi6u/yB78wamLaGKK7iUoQ0fOCb0eVb0Zs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=brkazUMSCf0slMFRbrkGxa2+osfUl/qK7zIOsnh1oGtDleYEM7dwz2TKtpDR5OvPV5 sYVFTTvOkqOM2u9U/3qJiZVVMr2ipuNX6hGmh0+AoVyzFVAxhOejpSKprBnQmLKLOW1x hHyOosiBqMBV+iYCUYpV8AFS6zBDu5jnOXems= Received: by 10.110.53.19 with SMTP id b19mr147132tia.37.1229476243407; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.15.18 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:10:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <84b68b3d0812161710v199d7300y5fb7db11952d298b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:40:43 +0530 From: "Amitabh Kant" To: "Tom Worster" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:43:41 -0000 install the options from lang/php5-extensions . Gives you tons of options for php5. Amitabh On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Tom Worster wrote: > is there any documentation or a helpful website for how to use ports to > install php5? > > i'm used to compiling it with a pretty long configuration command for all > the optional bits i need, e.g. --with-dom --with-dom-xslt --enable-dom > --with-pear --with-gd etc. etc. on and on. > > i'm unclear how these options are handled in freebsd ports. is it a matter > of identifying lots of individual ports, one for each of the configuration > command options i'd normally use? > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 01:43:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22ABC1065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@net24.co.nz) Received: from omr2.mail.isx.net.nz (omr2.mail.isx.net.nz [210.5.49.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BC98FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@net24.co.nz) Received: from 210.55.30.56 (EHLO _127.0.0.1_) ([210.55.30.56]) by omr2.mail.isx.net.nz (MOS 3.8.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AAS90450 (AUTH brett@net24.co.nz); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:43:40 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <4948595C.6060303@net24.co.nz> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:43:56 +1300 From: Brett Davidson Organization: Net24 Limited User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Bertrand References: <49485322.4010401@ibctech.ca> <49485594.3050709@net24.co.nz> <494856EB.5000608@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <494856EB.5000608@ibctech.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Tom Worster Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:43:42 -0000 Steve Bertrand wrote: > Brett Davidson wrote: > >>> Tom Worster wrote: >>> >>> >>>> is there any documentation or a helpful website for how to use ports to >>>> install php5? >>>> >>>> i'm used to compiling it with a pretty long configuration command for >>>> all >>>> the optional bits i need, e.g. --with-dom --with-dom-xslt --enable-dom >>>> --with-pear --with-gd etc. etc. on and on. >>>> >>>> i'm unclear how these options are handled in freebsd ports. is it a >>>> matter >>>> of identifying lots of individual ports, one for each of the >>>> configuration >>>> command options i'd normally use? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> Run make config on the php port to see if any configuration options you >> need are mentioned there. >> I normally utlise the php-extensions port - run make config in there for >> options. >> > > One of the reasons I've had to edit Makefile manually was because a > client needed JPEG support. > > At the time, `make config' didn't provide that option. > > You make a couple of valuable points however. It would be easier if the > OP's demands could be met with your method. > > Steve > > php-extensions supports jpg in the make config options - I use that too. It's a really elegant way of configuring almost every php option we need. Brett. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 01:53:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D74106567B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E3E68FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 27497 invoked by uid 89); 17 Dec 2008 02:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 02:03:52 -0000 Message-ID: <49485BAE.2080303@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:53:50 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Davidson References: <49485322.4010401@ibctech.ca> <49485594.3050709@net24.co.nz> <494856EB.5000608@ibctech.ca> <4948595C.6060303@net24.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4948595C.6060303@net24.co.nz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Tom Worster Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:53:56 -0000 Brett Davidson wrote: > Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Brett Davidson wrote: >>> Run make config on the php port to see if any configuration options you >>> need are mentioned there. >>> I normally utlise the php-extensions port - run make config in there for >>> options. >>> >> >> One of the reasons I've had to edit Makefile manually was because a >> client needed JPEG support. >> >> At the time, `make config' didn't provide that option. >> >> You make a couple of valuable points however. It would be easier if the >> OP's demands could be met with your method. > php-extensions supports jpg in the make config options - I use that too. > It's a really elegant way of configuring almost every php option we need. Thanks Brett, Even though I wasn't the original poster, I certainly learnt something here. This is a perfect example of how external application support can be provided willingly and thoughtfully through our mailing list, via members who do actually care. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 02:11:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79D61065675 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2C38FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LClt3-0006zI-O9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:11:45 -0800 Message-ID: <21045861.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081216212015.800ab816.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081216212015.800ab816.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:11:46 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:09:44 -0800 (PST), ThinkDifferently wrote: >> hptrr: no controller detected. > > It looks like there's a proble with the hptrr driver? Have you > tried loading the "HighPoint RocketRAID device drive" by putting > > hptrr_load="YES" > > into /boot/loader.conf? > > Further information can be obtained by: > > % man hptrr > > Check if your particular controller is supported. > Thanks for responding. Forgive me for being new to FreeBSD. My career has been System V OS'es, like Solaris & HP-UX. My new biz partner has strong-armed me...er...convinced me to go FreeBSD. I am booting from the "boot only" cd (burned from the amd64 iso) for the first time. How do I put hptrr_load="YES" into /boot/loader.conf? Also on my other FreeBSD system, 'man hptrr' resulted in 'no manual page'. I've been troubleshooting a little with my biz partner. He told me there might've been something wrong with the i386 version of FreeBSD on my USB drive. So, I put an IDE DVD-ROM drive in the system and got the latest AMD64 ISO on CD. Now I'm getting... acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00 GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider acd0 is iso9660/FreeBSD_bootonly. acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00 *** HANG *** I also tried resetting the BIOS to "Failsafe Settings"...no luck. I'm curious, though, what the BIOS settings should be. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21045861.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 02:19:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3291065677 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:19:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC3E8FC1F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LCm0J-0007EW-GI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:19:15 -0800 Message-ID: <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:19:15 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:19:16 -0000 ...some more interesting errors from bootup...My biz partner seemed interested in these (don't know why)... hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Feb 24 2008 10:34:18) acpi0: <052008 RSDT1050> on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of free00000, 1000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, c7f00000 (3) failed -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21045931.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 02:21:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932301065676 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:21:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from gsicomp.on.ca (gsicomp.on.ca [200.46.208.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FE98FC19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:21:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.208.211]) by gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3F5FCA68E; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gsicomp.on.ca ([200.46.208.251]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.211]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 53874-07; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:20:53 -0400 (AST) Received: from hermes (CPE00062566c7bb-CM001ac3584898.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.255.62.215]) by gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id DF973FCA606; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E4E9B506F504C4BB0C1713423F970CF@hermes> From: "Matt Emmerton" To: "Peter Giessel" , "Gary Kline" References: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> <104079537551833802407591023971219248307-Webmail@me.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:20:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:21:02 -0000 > On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, "Gary Kline" > wrote: >> >> i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going >> to >> begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm >> looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know >> there is at least one place, but it's been years. > > Not free, but nearly so: > http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/secdns/ > > $17.50/year = $1.46/month... Other options include: http://www.backupdns.com/index.html $0.80/month/zone for a small number of zones. Or http://www.zoneedit.com They will host DNS (primary and/or secondary) for 5 zones, free of charge (subject to bandwidth). -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 03:01:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7309106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:01:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 514408FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:01:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 29280 invoked by uid 89); 17 Dec 2008 03:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 03:11:44 -0000 Message-ID: <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:01:41 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkDifferently References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:01:47 -0000 ThinkDifferently wrote: > ...some more interesting errors from bootup...My biz partner seemed > interested in these (don't know why)... > hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Feb 24 2008 10:34:18) > acpi0: <052008 RSDT1050> on motherboard > acpi0: [ITHREAD] > acpi0: Power Button (fixed) > acpi0: reservation of free00000, 1000 (3) failed > acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed > acpi0: reservation of 100000, c7f00000 (3) failed AFAIK, your RocketRAID should be picked up by the 'twe' driver. If you run a FreeBSD install disk (as opposed to boot-only), are you provided with an install location (via sysinstall) as far as hard disks are concerned? Is this RAID array something that you can afford to risk losing through troubleshooting? Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 03:11:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1361065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546F08FC1C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LCmoT-0000cs-Eg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:11:05 -0800 Message-ID: <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:11:05 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:11:06 -0000 Steve Bertrand-2 wrote: > > AFAIK, your RocketRAID should be picked up by the 'twe' driver. > > If you run a FreeBSD install disk (as opposed to boot-only), are you > provided with an install location (via sysinstall) as far as hard disks > are concerned? > > Is this RAID array something that you can afford to risk losing through > troubleshooting? > I haven't tried an install disk yet, just the boot-only. I will try that right away. This system is so spankin' new, there's nothing loaded on it. This RAID array is just something I setup in the BIOS. It's not even been initialized yet...because I can't even load the OS to install anything. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21046366.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 03:41:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253621065702 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD658FC20 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597B45C22; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:45:57 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <494874E7.2050307@hdk5.net> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:41:27 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Emmerton References: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> <104079537551833802407591023971219248307-Webmail@me.com> <4E4E9B506F504C4BB0C1713423F970CF@hermes> In-Reply-To: <4E4E9B506F504C4BB0C1713423F970CF@hermes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Kline , Peter Giessel , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:41:29 -0000 Matt Emmerton wrote: >> On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, "Gary Kline" >> wrote: >>> >>> i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is >>> going to >>> begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm >>> looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know >>> there is at least one place, but it's been years. >> >> Not free, but nearly so: >> http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/secdns/ >> >> $17.50/year = $1.46/month... > > Other options include: http://www.backupdns.com/index.html > > $0.80/month/zone for a small number of zones. > > Or http://www.zoneedit.com > > They will host DNS (primary and/or secondary) for 5 zones, free of > charge (subject to bandwidth). > > -- > Matt Emmerton > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Aloha Gary, We use Zone Edit for many years. Good and responsive to any issues. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 03:46:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB721065677 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08DD8FC1B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LCnMg-0001fF-Bs for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:46:26 -0800 Message-ID: <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:46:26 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:46:28 -0000 ThinkDifferently wrote: > > > Steve Bertrand-2 wrote: >> >> AFAIK, your RocketRAID should be picked up by the 'twe' driver. >> >> If you run a FreeBSD install disk (as opposed to boot-only), are you >> provided with an install location (via sysinstall) as far as hard disks >> are concerned? >> >> Is this RAID array something that you can afford to risk losing through >> troubleshooting? >> > > I haven't tried an install disk yet, just the boot-only. I will try that > right away. > > This system is so spankin' new, there's nothing loaded on it. This RAID > array is just something I setup in the BIOS. It's not even been > initialized yet...because I can't even load the OS to install anything. > Well, still no joy. :-( I have tried booting from Boot-only, Disc1, LiveFS. Additionally, I've tried the default boot, "with ACPI disabled", "Safe Mode", "single user mode", and "verbose logging". Every CD and every boot type gives me the exact same errors... at the beginning: ... acpi0: reservation of fee00000, 1000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, c7f00000 (3) failed and at the end: ... hptrr: no controller detected. acd0: DVDROM at ata0-master UDMA33 acd0: FAILURE READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00 GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider acd0 is iso9660/FreeBSD_xxx (where xxx is the disc I'm using). acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00 *** HANG *** BTW, the *** HANG *** requires a hard reset. Also, I read some hearsay in other forums that the READ_BIG error could be caused by the write speed when the ISO is burned to CD. So, I tried downgrading the burn speed from 52x to 16x. No joy. It didn't change a thing. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21046636.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 03:56:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CD9106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:56:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8384B8FC19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:56:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 31143 invoked by uid 89); 17 Dec 2008 04:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 04:06:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4948786A.9070508@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:56:26 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: <49485322.4010401@ibctech.ca> <49485594.3050709@net24.co.nz> <494856EB.5000608@ibctech.ca> <1889F6A8DE3863AB25C59556@Macintosh-2.local> In-Reply-To: <1889F6A8DE3863AB25C59556@Macintosh-2.local> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:56:32 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 16, 2008 7:33:31 PM -0600 Steve Bertrand > wrote: >> >> One of the reasons I've had to edit Makefile manually was because a >> client needed JPEG support. >> >> At the time, `make config' didn't provide that option. >> > > You should *never* need to edit a Makefile in a port. (Well, extremely > rarely.) Usually the options are provided. Optionally you can add them > on the commandline like this: > make -dwith_enable-foo -dwith_disable-bar. These are the questions that I never would ask, as for years, I always installed from source, never ports. > If you don't find something you're expecting in a port, and you can't > get an answer on this list, email the port maintainer, whose email > address will always be in the port's Makefile. I'm glad there are people who still answer 3rd party software questions here. Normally, I'd just hack about until it worked. It's great to know there is such wide-spread support here. Hopefully, new questions will always be asked, and there will always be those dedicated people who are always lying low, reading, ready to provide a response in their field... (seriously) Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 03:59:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5683B106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:59:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AFD8FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so730316qwb.7 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:59:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=cWUkp8nbq2aCIXhHEhQLV+L1crMLMeFwax+0v7YtDXM=; b=UskRewMeiytpGIiw1TwqyDbUU/EYDgaqJvrUgRk5zZBjAlfEQB30p5h5616DnmQTSf 8d6KRukUrNos4TXTimfSyjAwWhW2iB8lENRxvh3mn+jJnFKfE6FH+k8XQmogJQQUn2Jv jICB1JZYj2d6747VnEH/nam0Lb0+Ad7HKtlSs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=UWWlVQ1pZft+pqXSYgNlZV84K2emLrmnYj6qJe2n0PPun9E7KAOm/5x5rK0a3bckVz 72Cn4BBruiSRZX+EuxoQLingJv8vmVEFMp0PkxjXQOMAJ262UkNqRSWc2zlWqSJCSYMQ NulnTKIhsQ0Gu87l/yOa05N9fCTJqJRSv32fc= Received: by 10.215.100.9 with SMTP id c9mr219087qam.356.1229486385965; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2281846ywd.31.2008.12.16.19.59.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:59:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49487931.2060608@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:59:45 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkDifferently References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:59:47 -0000 ThinkDifferently wrote: > ThinkDifferently wrote: > >> Steve Bertrand-2 wrote: >> >>> AFAIK, your RocketRAID should be picked up by the 'twe' driver. >>> >>> If you run a FreeBSD install disk (as opposed to boot-only), are you >>> provided with an install location (via sysinstall) as far as hard disks >>> are concerned? >>> >>> Is this RAID array something that you can afford to risk losing through >>> troubleshooting? >>> >>> >> I haven't tried an install disk yet, just the boot-only. I will try that >> right away. >> >> This system is so spankin' new, there's nothing loaded on it. This RAID >> array is just something I setup in the BIOS. It's not even been >> initialized yet...because I can't even load the OS to install anything. >> >> > > Well, still no joy. :-( > > I have tried booting from Boot-only, Disc1, LiveFS. Additionally, I've > tried the default boot, "with ACPI disabled", "Safe Mode", "single user > mode", and "verbose logging". > > Every CD and every boot type gives me the exact same errors... > > at the beginning: > ... > acpi0: reservation of fee00000, 1000 (3) failed > acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed > acpi0: reservation of 100000, c7f00000 (3) failed > > and at the end: > ... > hptrr: no controller detected. > acd0: DVDROM at ata0-master UDMA33 > acd0: FAILURE READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00 > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider acd0 is iso9660/FreeBSD_xxx (where xxx is the > disc I'm using). > acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00 > *** HANG *** > > BTW, the *** HANG *** requires a hard reset. > > Also, I read some hearsay in other forums that the READ_BIG error could be > caused by the write speed when the ISO is burned to CD. So, I tried > downgrading the burn speed from 52x to 16x. No joy. It didn't change a > thing. > disable dma specifically by escaping to the loader prompt and type hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 you can also try loading the device as a "scsi" device with atapicam. you could make this static on your iso by editing the loader.conf on the iso. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 04:02:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2181065678 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=pauls=2304bd7d9@utdallas.edu) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123838FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=pauls=2304bd7d9@utdallas.edu) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,234,1228111200"; d="scan'208";a="4156607" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 16 Dec 2008 21:33:52 -0600 Received: from [192.168.2.102] (cpe-66-25-23-135.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.23.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DA05893A; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:33:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:33:51 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1889F6A8DE3863AB25C59556@Macintosh-2.local> In-Reply-To: <494856EB.5000608@ibctech.ca> References: <49485322.4010401@ibctech.ca> <49485594.3050709@net24.co.nz> <494856EB.5000608@ibctech.ca> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========6EFEFB62EA53E2F5ACD3==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Steve Bertrand Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:02:43 -0000 --==========6EFEFB62EA53E2F5ACD3========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On December 16, 2008 7:33:31 PM -0600 Steve Bertrand =20 wrote: > > One of the reasons I've had to edit Makefile manually was because a > client needed JPEG support. > > At the time, `make config' didn't provide that option. > You should *never* need to edit a Makefile in a port. (Well, extremely=20 rarely.) Usually the options are provided. Optionally you can add them=20 on the commandline like this: make -dwith_enable-foo -dwith_disable-bar. In the case of major ports=20 such as lang/php5, the options are almost always available somehow. Jpeg=20 support, for example, is in php5-extensions. If you don't find something you're expecting in a port, and you can't get=20 an answer on this list, email the port maintainer, whose email address=20 will always be in the port's Makefile. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========6EFEFB62EA53E2F5ACD3==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 04:03:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8531065676 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:03:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E39F48FC1C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 31373 invoked by uid 89); 17 Dec 2008 04:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 04:13:36 -0000 Message-ID: <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:03:33 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkDifferently References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:03:39 -0000 ThinkDifferently wrote: >> This system is so spankin' new, there's nothing loaded on it. This RAID >> array is just something I setup in the BIOS. It's not even been >> initialized yet...because I can't even load the OS to install anything. >> > > Well, still no joy. :-( > > I have tried booting from Boot-only, Disc1, LiveFS. Additionally, I've > tried the default boot, "with ACPI disabled", "Safe Mode", "single user > mode", and "verbose logging". > > Every CD and every boot type gives me the exact same errors... > > at the beginning: > ... > acpi0: reservation of fee00000, 1000 (3) failed > acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed > acpi0: reservation of 100000, c7f00000 (3) failed > > and at the end: > ... > hptrr: no controller detected. > acd0: DVDROM at ata0-master UDMA33 > acd0: FAILURE READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00 > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider acd0 is iso9660/FreeBSD_xxx (where xxx is the > disc I'm using). > acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00 > *** HANG *** > > BTW, the *** HANG *** requires a hard reset. > > Also, I read some hearsay in other forums that the READ_BIG error could be > caused by the write speed when the ISO is burned to CD. So, I tried > downgrading the burn speed from 52x to 16x. No joy. It didn't change a > thing. Out of pure sheer curiosity, does the machine boot ok with the "boot-only" if you pull the RAID card out of its slot? Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 04:09:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571A81065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313DB8FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 80BFA738756; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 58C59738751; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:09:05 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:09:03 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Amitabh Kant Message-ID: Thread-Topic: lang/php5 port Thread-Index: Aclf/TIt4ZyG7mO2T0qiFMU18CozUw== In-Reply-To: <84b68b3d0812161710v199d7300y5fb7db11952d298b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:09:06 -0000 On 12/16/08 8:10 PM, "Amitabh Kant" wrote: > install the options from lang/php5-extensions . Gives you tons of > options for php5. thanks for the pointer. i think i found everything i needed in there. i'm not sure how i feel about having 55 more ports installed than i would have if i'd installed from php tarball, especially with regard to updates, but i'll cross that bridge when i come to it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 04:16:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D84E1065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9548FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 29F8F73711C; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id E424B73137C; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:16:38 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:16:34 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Steve Bertrand , Brett Davidson Message-ID: Thread-Topic: lang/php5 port Thread-Index: Aclf/j7+5e35lU88yUSXyT5/JWYoVg== In-Reply-To: <494856EB.5000608@ibctech.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:16:40 -0000 On 12/16/08 8:33 PM, "Steve Bertrand" wrote: > One of the reasons I've had to edit Makefile manually was because a > client needed JPEG support. > > At the time, `make config' didn't provide that option. > > You make a couple of valuable points however. It would be easier if the > OP's demands could be met with your method. options such as jpeg, png, freetype were not offered by make config in lang/php-extensions when i tried it today in 7.0-RELEASE-p6. however, these extensions that i do need were included with the gd option. so, for now, i don't think i need to edit the Makefile. thanks again for the helpful replys. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 04:39:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354671065674 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:39:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikel.king@olivent.com) Received: from mail.olivent.com (mail.olivent.com [69.31.85.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FDA8FC18 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikel.king@olivent.com) Received: from [172.16.1.8] ([68.195.158.255]) (authenticated user mikel@olivent.com) by mail.olivent.com (Kerio MailServer 6.6.1) (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:38:43 -0500 References: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> Message-Id: From: Mikel King To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:37:41 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:39:04 -0000 On Dec 16, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is > going to > begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... > i'm > looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i > know > there is at least one place, but it's been years. > > i thought i'd check here first because i'm not how to pose this as > a good > search. > > thanks, guys, > > gary > Gary, Check out http://www.afraid.org not only do they offer a free service they run on FreeBSD. They also have a pay service available for more advanced configurations. Cheers, Mikel King CEO, Olivent Technologies Senior Editor, Daemon News Columnist, BSD Magazine 6 Alpine Court Medford, NY 11763 http://www.olivent.com http://www.daemonnews.org http://www.bsdmag.org skype: mikel.king +------------------------------------------+ Yes it is true I am running for US Senate (NY). +------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 04:45:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11BC1065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AA08FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LCoIG-0003e2-At for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:45:56 -0800 Message-ID: <21047130.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:45:56 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:45:57 -0000 Steve Bertrand-2 wrote: > > Out of pure sheer curiosity, does the machine boot ok with the > "boot-only" if you pull the RAID card out of its slot? > There is no RAID card. Everything is on the motherboard. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21047130.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 05:03:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2658106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95558FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LCoZL-0004QA-RV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:03:35 -0800 Message-ID: <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:03:35 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:03:37 -0000 Another item of curiosity... I just now tried booting from a CentOS 5.2 DVD. It also hangs with a little window titled "Loading SCSI driver" that says "Loading ahci driver..." The funny thing is, I've tried turning off all RAID functionality in the BIOS. On my mobo, this entails setting it to IDE mode, instead of RAID or AHCI. That doesn't appear to do anything. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21047275.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 05:20:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D93E1065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211528FC17 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH5Kc69093859; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:19:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:19:59 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Matt Emmerton Message-ID: <20081217051959.GD11226@thought.org> References: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> <104079537551833802407591023971219248307-Webmail@me.com> <4E4E9B506F504C4BB0C1713423F970CF@hermes> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E4E9B506F504C4BB0C1713423F970CF@hermes> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, WHOIS_PRIVACYPOST autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Peter Giessel , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:20:05 -0000 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:20:59PM -0500, Matt Emmerton wrote: > >On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, "Gary Kline" > > wrote: > >> > >>i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going > >>to > >>begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm > >>looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know > >>there is at least one place, but it's been years. > > > >Not free, but nearly so: > >http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/secdns/ > > > >$17.50/year = $1.46/month... > > Other options include: http://www.backupdns.com/index.html > > $0.80/month/zone for a small number of zones. > > Or http://www.zoneedit.com > > They will host DNS (primary and/or secondary) for 5 zones, free of charge > (subject to bandwidth). > well, i've certainly asked more ignorant q's, so hrer goes: what is a ``zone''? i do my own dns and have since 04/2001. thought.org is my one domain, altho i've got several virtual websites. a number of people have offered to be my secondary, something that warms me to the core. this happened once before--i needed a secondary and had to scramble. like to take care of it before something else happened! --i'm rambling, sorry. again, a Zone is? thanks, gary ps: $17.50 *is* reasonable, come to think of it... . > -- > Matt Emmerton > > > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 05:33:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67911065676 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:33:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1DC8FC1C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:33:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC414686147AA; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:33:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id txo47Rq4XR5k; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 8E473686147A5; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:33:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:33:21 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081217053321.GA569@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> <104079537551833802407591023971219248307-Webmail@me.com> <4E4E9B506F504C4BB0C1713423F970CF@hermes> <20081217051959.GD11226@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081217051959.GD11226@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 OpenPKG/% (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:33:24 -0000 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008, Gary Kline wrote: >On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:20:59PM -0500, Matt Emmerton wrote: >> >On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, "Gary Kline" >> > wrote: >> >> >> >>i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going >> >>to >> >>begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm >> >>looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know >> >>there is at least one place, but it's been years. >> > >> >Not free, but nearly so: >> >http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/secdns/ >> > >> >$17.50/year = $1.46/month... >> >> Other options include: http://www.backupdns.com/index.html >> >> $0.80/month/zone for a small number of zones. >> >> Or http://www.zoneedit.com >> >> They will host DNS (primary and/or secondary) for 5 zones, free of charge >> (subject to bandwidth). >> > > > well, i've certainly asked more ignorant q's, so hrer goes: > what is a ``zone''? i do my own dns and have since 04/2001. > > thought.org is my one domain, altho i've got several virtual > websites. > > a number of people have offered to be my secondary, something that > warms me to the core. this happened once before--i needed a secondary > and had to scramble. like to take care of it before something > else happened! --i'm rambling, sorry. > > again, a Zone is? A zone file has all DNS records related to a domain. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 The difference between science and the fuzzy subjects is that science requires reasoning while those other subjects merely require scholarship. -- Robert Heinlein From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 05:36:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23561065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC538FC14 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LCp4n-0005Nl-SL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:36:05 -0800 Message-ID: <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:36:05 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:36:07 -0000 ThinkDifferently wrote: > > Another item of curiosity... > I just now tried booting from a CentOS 5.2 DVD. It also hangs with a > little window titled "Loading SCSI driver" that says "Loading ahci > driver..." The funny thing is, I've tried turning off all RAID > functionality in the BIOS. On my mobo, this entails setting it to IDE > mode, instead of RAID or AHCI. That doesn't appear to do anything. > I'm at my wit's end with this. I tried FreeBSD in every way I know how, and they all hang. I tried CentOS and it hung. I even tried Windows Vista Ultimate. It didn't hang, but it found no storage devices. That led me to a train of thought. This board has 6 SATA ports on it, and in the BIOS it has 3 settings for them -- IDE, RAID or AHCI. When I put it into IDE mode, it shows me each disk as an individual device, but all of the OS'es fail to recognize them. When I put it into RAID mode, it recognizes each disk as a SATA device and offers me the RAID options (F10) on bootup. When I put it into AHCI mode, nothing at all is recognized. Furthermore, I was reading in the board's manual that to load Windows XP or Vista, a special driver diskette is required for Windows to recognize the storage volumes. This leads me to believe that the only way this board knows how to handle SATA disks is to use RAID mode, and the only way for an OS to recognize the RAID volume is to have a driver pre-loaded before the OS. For OS'es like FreeBSD and CentOS this is very difficult, even if such a driver exists. Unless somebody can correct me for being way off base, my conclusion can only be that this board cannot support a Unix/Linux operating system, and even with Windows it's extremely difficult. I'm now considering returning this board and suffering the dreaded 15% restocking fee. Can anyone suggest a motherboard that is FreeBSD friendly? I need it to support 4 cores with the AM2+ socket (either that, or I need to return my chip too) and be a full ATX board with 4 DDR2 ram slots. On board VGA would be nice too, but I suppose I can buy a VGA card. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21047496.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 06:06:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD0B106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FA98FC1B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH66bT7094135; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:06:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:06:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:05:59 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Mikel King Message-ID: <20081217060559.GG11226@thought.org> References: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:06:14 -0000 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:37:41PM -0500, Mikel King wrote: > > On Dec 16, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is > >going to > > begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... > >i'm > > looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i > >know > > there is at least one place, but it's been years. > > > > i thought i'd check here first because i'm not how to pose this as > >a good > > search. > > > > thanks, guys, > > > > gary > > > > > Gary, > > Check out http://www.afraid.org not only do they offer a free > service they run on FreeBSD. They also have a pay service available for > more advanced configurations. > > Cheers, > Mikel King thanks, mikel, i'll check out afraid.org in morning. arm is just about falling off, !joke; to everybody else: thanks for your kindness and insights. --some years ago like 5, 6, there was some mumbling among the list about doing some kind of 2ndary service for fellow users. i'm willing; i'm up 24/7. gary > CEO, Olivent Technologies > Senior Editor, Daemon News > Columnist, BSD Magazine > 6 Alpine Court > Medford, NY 11763 > http://www.olivent.com > http://www.daemonnews.org > http://www.bsdmag.org > skype: mikel.king > > +------------------------------------------+ > Yes it is true I am running for US > Senate (NY). > +------------------------------------------+ > > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 06:10:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEB81065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9F08FC1C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl115-32.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.234.32]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBH6AFe4010480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:10:21 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBH6ABGw047724; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:10:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBH6A9Wo047723; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:10:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: ThinkDifferently References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:10:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> (ThinkDifferently's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:36:05 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBH6AFe4010480 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.86, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:10:28 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:36:05 -0800 (PST), ThinkDifferently wrote: > ThinkDifferently wrote: >> Another item of curiosity... I just now tried booting from a CentOS >> 5.2 DVD. It also hangs with a little window titled "Loading SCSI >> driver" that says "Loading ahci driver..." The funny thing is, I've >> tried turning off all RAID functionality in the BIOS. On my mobo, >> this entails setting it to IDE mode, instead of RAID or AHCI. That >> doesn't appear to do anything. > > I'm at my wit's end with this. I tried FreeBSD in every way I know > how, and they all hang. Did you try the 'safe-mode' option from the loader menu? Did you try disabling DMA for the CD-ROM by setting hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 from the loader prompt, like someone else suggested a few emails back? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 06:38:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E357C1065679 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:38:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938418FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:38:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 8214954; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:38:08 -0500 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 8214947; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:37:49 -0500 Message-ID: <4948902D.2090106@radel.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:37:49 -0500 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> <104079537551833802407591023971219248307-Webmail@me.com> <4E4E9B506F504C4BB0C1713423F970CF@hermes> <20081217051959.GD11226@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20081217051959.GD11226@thought.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010509020302000201060102" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:38:10 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010509020302000201060102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary Kline wrote: > > again, a Zone is? An administrative chunk of DNS data which has one set of nameservers and, in Bind, a single data file. (Sweeping details, other brands of name servers, and edge cases under the carpet, swoosh, swoosh.) In other words, if you had thought.org hq.thought.org branch.thought.org as 3 domains you'd face a choice: did you want to have all the records for thought.org and its two sub-domains intermingled and maintained on the same set of domain servers as a single administrative unit, i.e., zone, or did you want to have more that one zone, in which case you'd have NS records in the data for thought.org which pointed at the nameservers at which one could find the data for hq.thought.org and/or branch.thought.org? Or, to look at it another way, you need at least one zone per 2nd level domain and can have no more than one zone per domain at any level. --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms010509020302000201060102 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJMTCC AvMwggJcoAMCAQICEG2TkfF/93Sx9LCftry1D3YwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MDMyNDE2NTkyMVoX DTA5MDMyNDE2NTkyMVowXjEOMAwGA1UEBBMFUmFkZWwxEzARBgNVBCoTCkpvbiBUaG9tYXMx GTAXBgNVBAMTEEpvbiBUaG9tYXMgUmFkZWwxHDAaBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWDWpvbkByYWRlbC5j b20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDPdCxQufreHHDAI9YN2axx87Rf 0TK1PYFMlJHi4y1ebdAMPqR6M44bz+3m8YnKn1bmIf7dWyisWyAIQYCOhW/2r66o4MdF9qJ9 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Z678Uewg/UFAkX0jOBcSjsilUowAS0nmLL1tQp6MSxWbMw6bRAAAAAAAAA== --------------ms010509020302000201060102-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 06:48:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17A71065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:48:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42038FC32 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:48:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (really [66.25.23.135]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081217051318.LFYO1780.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.2.102]>; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:13:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:13:17 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) X-Munged-Reply-To: To reply - figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========787D69C6436A6FA24F69==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Tom Worster Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:48:45 -0000 --==========787D69C6436A6FA24F69========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On December 16, 2008 10:09:03 PM -0600 Tom Worster =20 wrote: > > On 12/16/08 8:10 PM, "Amitabh Kant" wrote: > >> install the options from lang/php5-extensions . Gives you tons of >> options for php5. > > thanks for the pointer. i think i found everything i needed in there. > > i'm not sure how i feel about having 55 more ports installed than i = would > have if i'd installed from php tarball, especially with regard to > updates, > but i'll cross that bridge when i come to it. > When you run portupgrade or portmaster, if there's updates to some of the=20 extensions, those updates will be done at the same time. (There are=20 usually many.) The only "gotcha" is that if you need to uninstall php,=20 the extensions don't uninstall as well. You have to either pkg_delete=20 them or go into each port and run make deinstall. Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ****************************************** WARNING: Check the headers before replying --==========787D69C6436A6FA24F69==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 06:49:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B79106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B1C8FC38 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF7AAFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:49:23 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:48:58 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <6c51dbb10812140628t3531c703r85f691d228dfd8e3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6c51dbb10812140628t3531c703r85f691d228dfd8e3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170748.58764.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: FuLLBLaSTstorm Subject: Re: freebsd-update killed my /var X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:49:24 -0000 On Sunday 14 December 2008 15:28:16 FuLLBLaSTstorm wrote: > Hey all, > Recently I've run freebsd-update on my desktop machine, but it failed > saying that it cannot save its files anymore to /var because the > filesystem is full. now df shows something like this: > # df > /dev/ad0s1d 253678 250630 -17248 107% /var If this is what I think it is, a 256k /var, then I'm not surprised. Handbook, online tutorials all recommend at least 1G for /var ever since the 4.x days. I use 5G, but I save logs for a year. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:11:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4671065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from geoff@apro.com.au) Received: from mail.ricksure.com.au (mail.ricksure.com.au [203.98.89.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4828FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from geoff@apro.com.au) Received: from dsl-202-173-129-2.nsw.westnet.com.au [202.173.129.2] by mail.ricksure.com.au with SMTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:56:00 +1100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Disposition: inline From: Geoff Roberts Organization: Australian Projects Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:55:53 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200812171755.53920.geoff@apro.com.au> X-Declude-Sender: geoff@apro.com.au [202.173.129.2] X-Declude-Spoolname: 50168152.eml X-Declude-RefID: X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 4.3.64 "http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm" X-Declude-Scan: Outgoing Score [0] at 17:56:00 on 17 Dec 2008 X-Declude-Tests: Whitelisted X-Country-Chain: X-Declude-Code: 0 X-Declude-Recipcount: 1 Organization: Declude, Inc. X-Helo: bsd7desktop.home.wollongong X-RevDNS: Subject: ftp from jails using a proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: geoff@apro.com.au List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:11:09 -0000 Hi, I am using FreeBSD 7.0. I have a server with a single network interface - ext0. On this server I have a number of jails attached to a pseudo network interface - lo1. lo1 has the following IP address range: 10.1.1.0/24 (ifconfig create lo1) I also have jails attached to the external interface ext0 I would like to be able to ftp from the jails on the pseudo interface (lo1) as well as the external interface (ext). For a range of reasons I want to avoid a pass out all option on the external interface ext0. I therefore tried using ftp-proxy. However, I can never get the redirect to connect to ftp-proxy in the pf rules, no matter which interface or address I place it on. I'm beginning to think that redirects to ftp-proxy will only work when there is incoming traffic on a separate physical interface. Redirecting from a pseudo interface doesn't seem to work. See notes below for configuration. How would you suggest I get this working? Is there are a better way to set this up? I'd prefer to use passive ftp if possible. Notes on ftp-proxy configuration ==================== I can verify the fact ftp is not be redirected via the proxy by running the proxy in debug: ftp-proxy -d -D 7 -b (ext0) where (ext0) is the external IP address I never get any connections logged by the proxy. I can't use 127.0.0.1 as jails can't connect to this address. In my pf rules I have nat-anchor "ftp-proxy/*" rdr-anchor "ftp-proxy/*" rdr on ext0 proto tcp from any to any port 21 -> (ext0) port 8021 rdr on lo1 proto tcp from any to any port 21 -> (ext0) port 8021 anchor "ftp-proxy/*" pass out log proto tcp from any to any port 21 label "FTP -- ACCEPT " Kind regards, Geoff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:18:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A284E1065674 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723B08FC14 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAB5AFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:18:49 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:18:47 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <494856EB.5000608@ibctech.ca> <1889F6A8DE3863AB25C59556@Macintosh-2.local> In-Reply-To: <1889F6A8DE3863AB25C59556@Macintosh-2.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170818.48243.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Paul Schmehl , Steve Bertrand Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:18:50 -0000 On Wednesday 17 December 2008 04:33:51 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 16, 2008 7:33:31 PM -0600 Steve Bertrand > > wrote: > > One of the reasons I've had to edit Makefile manually was because a > > client needed JPEG support. > > > > At the time, `make config' didn't provide that option. > > You should *never* need to edit a Makefile in a port. (Well, extremely > rarely.) More often then you think. I encourage understanding the system and editing to suit your needs. It's a transparent system, unlike many others out there, so you might as well make good use of it. Though a lot of things can be handled by: 1) environment variables (temporary) 2) /etc/make.conf (permanent) 3) Makefile.local (permanent, inclusion is at bsd.port.pre.mk stage which allows you to override hardcoded settings) It is needed in some cases to edit the makefile to fix things or remove dependencies that the maintainer didn't find necessary to remove or even to fix bugs. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:27:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3988106567F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@saturn.pcs.ms) Received: from mail1.hostpark.net (mail1.hostpark.net [212.243.197.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0AA8FC14 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@saturn.pcs.ms) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157158125D; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:59:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail1.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10124) with ESMTP id u+I3pQT+QuOI; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:59:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from saturn.pcs.ms (47-187.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.3.187.47]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1571581226; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:59:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from saturn.pcs.ms (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saturn.pcs.ms (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBH7Cpwv051462; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:12:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from martin@saturn.pcs.ms) Received: (from martin@localhost) by saturn.pcs.ms (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mBH7CpoN051461; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:12:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from martin) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:12:50 +0100 From: Martin Schweizer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081217071250.GA51414@saturn.pcs.ms> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH, CH-8608 Bubikon, Switzerland X-PGP-Key: http://www.pc-service.ch/pgp/public_key.asc X-Fingerprint: EC21 CA4D 5C78 BC2D 73B7 10F9 C1AE 1691 D30F D239 Subject: Strange error messages in /var/log/messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Schweizer List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:27:44 -0000 Hello My system: FreeBSD firewall.acutronic.ch 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #1: Fri Dec 12 15:35:05 CET 2008 martin@firewall.acutronic.ch:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FREEBSD_AMD64 amd64 Since I compiled the following options in my kernel [snip] # Firewall options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=5 options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT options IPDIVERT options DUMMYNET <- this option! options HZ=1000 <- this option! [snip] I get the following in /var/log/messages (and various others like these): [snip] Dec 16 16:05:32 firewall kernel: A Dec 16 16:05:32 firewall kernel: 3 Dec 16 16:05:32 firewall kernel: 2 [snip] What I did wrong? Regards, -- Martin Schweizer PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH; Bannholzstrasse 6; CH-8608 Bubikon Tel. +41 55 243 30 00; Fax: +41 55 243 33 22; http://www.pc-service.ch; public key : http://www.pc-service.ch/pgp/public_key.asc; fingerprint: EC21 CA4D 5C78 BC2D 73B7 10F9 C1AE 1691 D30F D239; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:29:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF101065677 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3148FC1C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEBBAFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:29:16 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:29:14 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170829.15248.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Brett Davidson , Steve Bertrand , Tom Worster Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:29:17 -0000 On Wednesday 17 December 2008 05:16:34 Tom Worster wrote: > On 12/16/08 8:33 PM, "Steve Bertrand" wrote: > > One of the reasons I've had to edit Makefile manually was because a > > client needed JPEG support. > > > > At the time, `make config' didn't provide that option. > > > > You make a couple of valuable points however. It would be easier if the > > OP's demands could be met with your method. > > options such as jpeg, png, freetype were not offered by make config in > lang/php-extensions when i tried it today in 7.0-RELEASE-p6. however, these > extensions that i do need were included with the gd option. Exactly, there are no jpeg_* functions and is no jpeg module for php. Image functions are handled by gd and there's also a PECL extension to work with ImageMagick. Read more about PECL here: http://pecl.php.net/ and all PECL ports for FreeBSD are named pecl-*. So: make -C /usr/ports search name=pecl-* |less will give you an overview of the PECL ports. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:50:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96A71065673; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636838FC16; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4EFAFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:50:54 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:50:52 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> <20081216162939.L61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081216162939.L61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170850.53035.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , KES , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ambigious 'top' results X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:50:55 -0000 On Tuesday 16 December 2008 16:31:35 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > are you using 7-branch? > > in my 7.1 system there is same problem. top shows often nonsense in CPU > usage of a process, but totals are OK. there's 4.3% system, so use top -S to show system processes. > you even gave an example - bzip2 can't use 0% CPU running - more close to > 100% :) If bzip2 is blocked, it'll be running at 0%. Example: bzip2 -cf - /path/to/large/file | (sleep 900; cat - > /dev/null) -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:50:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96A71065673; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636838FC16; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4EFAFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:50:54 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:50:52 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> <20081216162939.L61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081216162939.L61714@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170850.53035.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , KES , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ambigious 'top' results X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:50:55 -0000 On Tuesday 16 December 2008 16:31:35 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > are you using 7-branch? > > in my 7.1 system there is same problem. top shows often nonsense in CPU > usage of a process, but totals are OK. there's 4.3% system, so use top -S to show system processes. > you even gave an example - bzip2 can't use 0% CPU running - more close to > 100% :) If bzip2 is blocked, it'll be running at 0%. Example: bzip2 -cf - /path/to/large/file | (sleep 900; cat - > /dev/null) -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:52:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3117106564A; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:52:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0308FC1F; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:52:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E609FAFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:52:45 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, KES Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:52:44 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170852.45170.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ambigious 'top' results X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:52:47 -0000 On Tuesday 16 December 2008 16:25:45 KES wrote: > > ===========================>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4405 prcfr 1999 cpu0: > time 34 dtbuf 6486 totfr Time counter. It it supposed to generate kern.clockrate interrupts per CPU. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:52:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3117106564A; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:52:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0308FC1F; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:52:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E609FAFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:52:45 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, KES Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:52:44 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <1124988593.20081216172545@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170852.45170.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ambigious 'top' results X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:52:47 -0000 On Tuesday 16 December 2008 16:25:45 KES wrote: > > ===========================>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4405 prcfr 1999 cpu0: > time 34 dtbuf 6486 totfr Time counter. It it supposed to generate kern.clockrate interrupts per CPU. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 08:00:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847A5106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560F48FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424E4AFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:00:54 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:00:52 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170900.53046.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Andrew Gould , bg271828@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:00:55 -0000 On Tuesday 16 December 2008 16:16:27 Andrew Gould wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum > > wrote: > > I have a FreeBSD 7.0 system that im using in production. I want to create > > a FreeBSD virtual machine, to use as a testbed for this production box. > > > > The last time i did this it took a lot of time to get the VM set > > up--installing all the right ports, getting the database configuration > > right, etc. > > > > Are there any shortcuts for this, e.g. a way i can automatically install > > the same ports on the new "machine"? I didnt see anything in the handbook > > or FAQ about this, but id think that people need to do this all the time. > > Any other advice for mirroring the system? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jen > > Someone once posted a shell script that obtained a list of installed ports > from the package database system and fed the results to pkg_create, which > would create binary packages. Unfortunately, I can't locate the script. cd /var/db/pkg mkdir /var/tmp/packages for DIR in *; do if test -d ${DIR} -a -f ${DIR}/+CONTENTS; do pkg_create -vb ${DIR} /var/tmp/packages/${DIR}.tbz fi done This will create a package for all installed software in /var/tmp/packages. Adjust accordingly. Once ssh is in place on target: scp -rp /var/tmp/packages target.machine:/var/tmp On target: cd /var/tmp/packages for FILE in *; do pkg_add ${FILE}; done Then all that's left is /usr/local/etc/ and possibly some dirs /usr/local/share. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 08:09:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F295F106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A808FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4124AFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:09:31 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:09:30 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <000501c95f8b$9edb12e0$dc9138a0$@com> In-Reply-To: <000501c95f8b$9edb12e0$dc9138a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170909.30344.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Gary Hartl Subject: Re: PHP5 as apache module using packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:09:33 -0000 On Tuesday 16 December 2008 15:36:01 Gary Hartl wrote: > Hi all; > > Ok so i've reinstalled fBSD-7 and i'm running apache 2.2 installed using > pkg_add > > I need to also run php as a module for apache (the web software i'm using > requires php as module no cgi). Curious: what software and why? The only valid reason is that the sofware writes php_value/php_flag options to .htaccess files. This has many other implications and I would carefully examine the software and all other websoftware I have installed, before allowing this. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 08:47:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F391065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD218FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5BEAFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:47:14 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:47:12 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <4947B8AB.7000304@dugas-family.org> In-Reply-To: <4947B8AB.7000304@dugas-family.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170947.12794.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Bernard Dugas Subject: Re: Extracting changed files list from snapshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:47:15 -0000 On Tuesday 16 December 2008 15:18:19 Bernard Dugas wrote: > I want to extract the list of files changed between 2 snapshots, to be > able to do efficient backups. Just use dump(8)? And what snapshots do you mean? As in mksnap_ffs? Cause that's described in /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_snapshot.c: 127 TAILQ_HEAD(snaphead, inode); 128 129 struct snapdata { 130 struct snaphead sn_head; 131 daddr_t sn_listsize; 132 daddr_t *sn_blklist; 133 struct lock sn_lock; 134 }; 135 and not exposed to userland. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 09:05:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F07D1065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0618FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33623AFBC02; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:05:07 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:05:05 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <569944077.20081215235643@yandex.ru> <87bpvdaqhq.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <87bpvdaqhq.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812171005.05911.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , KES Subject: Re: Startup scipt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:05:08 -0000 On Tuesday 16 December 2008 01:54:57 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > The second invocation uses another set of options from `rc.conf': > > moused_ums0_enable > moused_ums0_port > moused_ums0_type > moused_ums0_flags > > The support for these non-default options is implemented using a small > local hack in `src/etc/rc.d/moused': > > > http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/head/etc/rc.d/moused?view=annotate#l24 > > It would be great if you found some way to integrate this with the rest > of rc.d. This way more scripts can support multiple instances of the > underlying service :) Better like jail is done. I like the fact that jail_list is what is started upon startup but you can have many more jail_foo defined. Removing one from the list will disable it on boot, but it is still enabled by itself, so that /etc/rc.d/jail start foo is still valid. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 09:11:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2316106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A028FC1C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75078AFBC02; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:11:37 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:11:35 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20081215133957.4ef356ec@gom.home> <20081215231835.Y56482@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081215152317.50e78aa4@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081215152317.50e78aa4@gom.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812171011.36220.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: prad Subject: Re: power management X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:11:38 -0000 On Tuesday 16 December 2008 00:23:17 prad wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:20:51 +0100 (CET) > > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > IMHO it depends on hardware > > ya that makes sense at least from reading about different cpu state > descriptions here: > Everything You Need to Know About the CPU C-States Power Saving Modes > http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/611 > > where they talk about how different cpu's deal with things differently. > so since the os software can only use these features, possibly some > have optimized for some hardware, but possibly not for others. If you're interested in technical details, there's a November thread on -mobile that covers quite some ground: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2008-November/011188.html -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 09:15:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610601065670; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E558FC13; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A72AFC201; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:15:08 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:15:07 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <4d7dd86f0812150956i3a8d130ak8a4ca462896cd3ff@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d7dd86f0812150956i3a8d130ak8a4ca462896cd3ff@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812171015.07390.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: David N , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Running rsnapshot via cron reboots the machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:15:09 -0000 On Monday 15 December 2008 18:56:46 David N wrote: > Hi, > > I have a machine > AMD Sepron LE-1150 > ASUS M2A-VM > 1GB RAM ECC > 2x SATA 300GB > > in a RAID 1 (gmirror). > 7.0-RELEASE-p2 AMD64 generic kernel > > it was doing backups via bacula to an external disk > USB 2.0 SATA disk, and it was working well. (GLabel) /dev/ufs/BackupDisk > > I changed to rsnapshot recently, with the External HDD in glabel + > gjournal (/dev/da0s1.journal -> /dev/ufs/BackupDisk) and it will > reboot the machine roughly 30 minutes after the rsnapshot starts via > CRON. Able to get any crash dumps? [1] I doubt it calls reboot system call after 30 minutes and if it's a heating issue, then it would power down not reboot. So, kernel is probably panicing. [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 09:15:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610601065670; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E558FC13; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A72AFC201; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:15:08 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:15:07 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <4d7dd86f0812150956i3a8d130ak8a4ca462896cd3ff@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d7dd86f0812150956i3a8d130ak8a4ca462896cd3ff@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812171015.07390.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: David N , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Running rsnapshot via cron reboots the machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:15:09 -0000 On Monday 15 December 2008 18:56:46 David N wrote: > Hi, > > I have a machine > AMD Sepron LE-1150 > ASUS M2A-VM > 1GB RAM ECC > 2x SATA 300GB > > in a RAID 1 (gmirror). > 7.0-RELEASE-p2 AMD64 generic kernel > > it was doing backups via bacula to an external disk > USB 2.0 SATA disk, and it was working well. (GLabel) /dev/ufs/BackupDisk > > I changed to rsnapshot recently, with the External HDD in glabel + > gjournal (/dev/da0s1.journal -> /dev/ufs/BackupDisk) and it will > reboot the machine roughly 30 minutes after the rsnapshot starts via > CRON. Able to get any crash dumps? [1] I doubt it calls reboot system call after 30 minutes and if it's a heating issue, then it would power down not reboot. So, kernel is probably panicing. [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 09:22:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D68E1065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7888FC1F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so4909545rvf.43 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:22:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=tpsGl6i92SCeeLl3NqOYJta4i8WEfZnWUcSspyZrzIQ=; b=dYSE2MP61xgX0w3EdxhUkaGSsGDEkb0u2tm59n0W9gaPQhRPLOXwEu6pXxD5zioRa5 SQtz/VDjcP4iYF7RRTT8qoBoyhc79J1CPu3He79IvToLYlUxX7ktmOzZ+8mHlRqY6bac V8DObcSMHWhY8GD9VfWVXzUyhMx6lu0X75HMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=mvouvdsPqTHKwUiZMMhS0EC7VcwrF8zWgfM5MjQz/IfVNV0QoonfqyReECz8ka34II AzJG206lWDV5eERrzSOJzK/rTyxP9hcpVh2MtrZRG5X/slHF252h+1+JZHRL9TK74W2R ZhjkGVCOyaF2b326nDDJIeezYOfC3af8VdKek= Received: by 10.142.104.9 with SMTP id b9mr216868wfc.160.1229505745904; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.165.8 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:22:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812170122t471fbe58h12adc74e204b282e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:22:25 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081216195849.X62284@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <139b44430812112348k5c51072ie771913c982f7cfe@mail.gmail.com> <139b44430812130252u289d36bdmbc7c89dbc92c718c@mail.gmail.com> <20081216172003.GA18482@ourbrains.org> <20081216195849.X62284@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Dan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:22:26 -0000 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > > LDAP is the way to go. >> > > the right tool for the task is the way to go. 100% agree. generally speaking now. a great day, v > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 09:38:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED181065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:38:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269988FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:38:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2384CAFC201; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:38:46 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:38:44 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20081215150931.dbc8ea64.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081215150931.dbc8ea64.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812171038.44902.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Subject: Re: Uptime logging with (maybe) ppp's log functionality X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:38:47 -0000 On Monday 15 December 2008 15:09:31 Polytropon wrote: > Hi! > > I'm going to setup a system with a dial-up modem for sporadic > Internet access; a provider that charges per second online time > is used. Is there a way ppp (which is used for dialing) can log > the online time (or at least the connection's start and stop time) > so the costs can be calculated? > > Furthermore, are there already tools that, for example, would use > the daily, weekly or monthly periodic jobs to inform via mail about > how much online time was spent? Or, in addition, how much money > this would mean (built-in calculation)? If it doesn't already exist, > I'm sure I'll code it. :-) Radius was created for this (accounting and authentication based on=20 accounting) and ppp supports it. Might as well use it ;) =46rom ppp(8): Supports RADIUS (rfc 2138 & 2548) authentication. An extension to PAP and CHAP, Remote Access Dial In User Service allows authentication inf= or- mation to be stored in a central or distributed database along with va= ri- ous per-user framed connection characteristics. If libradius(3) is available at compile time, ppp will use it to make RADIUS requests when configured to do so. =2D-=20 Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 10:07:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AA7106567A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gemochka@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5692A8FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gemochka@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so4890489ewy.19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:07:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=P5nCcMP7eaavS+gCQuiptQAUcAHyXXU7ir2rKZRF4G0=; b=mEWpKLcUl9ORdZ9/iPE0m4QWK9/dq0jHX+eqNqqubw6IQoYysf0NdtXgyK0E+ref/a JxQcSwu0IixO90qNKa66NTfyTx6AvoMsabL6Cxj73lK7596xVPi4ffcSSMxovBHihUer /afW2tqMSgCaJMk+WWp6L5QWHNRUvI7S5zWbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=WE5BEg+2oAQubnfYcTQ7q5sALBLjac0OgSMVzea2ma34bZniYha4WXf37Ei/ceSfvx Uuut5+w1ZxZkSvyqRWZSH+EXK7WO0kIb03GN94a+TYOGWVChLjP0W42q0q52D9R/6WyC HHtAvzGvcGoZ5+aPIrS02hfsjfucm06gYLpCc= Received: by 10.210.52.15 with SMTP id z15mr545911ebz.198.1229506949142; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.51.9 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:42:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <84133fac0812170142t356bd12aub183ee640284369f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:42:29 +0300 From: "Gema niskazhu" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Problem with extracting from md X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:07:35 -0000 Hi! First of all sorry for my bad english =) I am using 8-0 CURRENT amd64. I've tried to install Free BSD dist from md device. but faced a problem with extracting data from it..so # mkdir -p /dist # mdconfig -a -f /a/FreeBSD/7.0-amd64-disc1.iso # mount -t cd9660 /dev/md0 /dist #cd /dist/7.0-RELEASE/base #DESTDIR=/mnt ./install.sh ..and here i've got I\O error. here it's dmesg. cd9660_vget_internal() at cd9660_vget_internal+0x10a cd9660_lookup() at cd9660_lookup+0x456 vfs_cache_lookup() at vfs_cache_lookup+0xf0 VOP_LOOKUP_APV() at VOP_LOOKUP_APV+0x95 lookup() at lookup+0x4b2 namei() at namei+0x50d kern_chdir() at kern_chdir+0x78 syscall() at syscall+0x1bf Xfast_syscall() at Xfast_syscall+0xab --- syscall (12, FreeBSD ELF64, chdir), rip = 0x80094330c, rsp = 0x7fffffffe408, rbp = 0x800c0b880 --- g_vfs_done():md0[READ(offset=53409792, length=2048)]error = 5 g_vfs_done():md0[READ(offset=53409792, length=2048)]error = 5 I think somth works wrong with my motherboar. I'm usin A8N-SLI. Anyone had the same problem? With best regards Kiselev Vasily. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 10:10:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49204106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from gate.criticalsoftware.com (gate.criticalsoftware.com [212.13.37.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CC58FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from [192.168.1.130] (unknown [192.168.1.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gate.criticalsoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8E7E97FE; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:10:42 +0000 (WET) Message-ID: <4948D022.9000608@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:10:42 +0000 From: Ricardo Jesus User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Renat References: <1013558171.20081213113939@maps.mi.ru> <4943801E.1000306@gmail.com> <34816500.20081213130432@maps.mi.ru> <4943AB57.2060600@gmail.com> <1164220109.20081213154715@maps.mi.ru> In-Reply-To: <1164220109.20081213154715@maps.mi.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ricardo.m.jesus@criticalsoftware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:10:45 -0000 Renat wrote: > Yes. I try . But not worked!! > > ----- > webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade > Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. > Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. > Fetching metadata index... done. > Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. > > > I probe you solution change change server from > update.freebsd.org to update1.freebsd.org > > Not worked((( > > What's is is the Bug on the FreeBSD servers? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Try this: # env UNAME_r=6.3-RELEASE-p6 freebsd-update upgrade -r 6.4-RELEASE install From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 10:35:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C261065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:35:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2C38FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E93B846; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:35:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 64081-04; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:35:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.59] (unknown [81.28.194.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:35:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4948D650.8040603@dugas-family.org> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:37:04 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel References: <4947B8AB.7000304@dugas-family.org> <200812170947.12794.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200812170947.12794.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extracting changed files list from snapshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:35:11 -0000 Mel wrote: > On Tuesday 16 December 2008 15:18:19 Bernard Dugas wrote: >>I want to extract the list of files changed between 2 snapshots, to be >>able to do efficient backups. > > Just use dump(8)? Yes in first step, may be. But for fast replication of changes ? Imagine i have a 1TB drive with 1 partition on serverA, and i want it duplicated on another 1TB drive serverB, with 1Gbps network between them, so network speed is not a problem. I begin with dump or any copy mean to have the 2 drives having the partitions in the same state, from a first "snapshot image 0" which is the reference on serverA, made with mksnap_ffs. A user change only 1 small file on serverA. After 1mn, i create "snapshot0+1" file on serverA. To find the files changed on serverA between snapshot0 and snapshot0+1, any current dump or equivalent will have to read all file records of 1TB partition, inside snapshot0+1 complete view of partition, to find 1 changed file. Even on nice day, it may take more than 1mn. But the beauty and efficiency of snapshot concept is that snapshot0 file (internal structure) contains a reference to all data blocks changed between snapshot0 and snapshot0+1 : this is why a snapshot file is so small and efficient. It is certainly possible to find in snapshot0 file inside structure the list of blocks changed until snapshot0+1 was made, and then find which file is the owner of the changed blocks. Then it will appear that only 1 file has been changed on whole partition and we just have to send this changed file from snapshot0+1 view to serverB. So using the internal structure of snapshots file is far more efficient than reading all directory records for last change time... Please note that i try to use the expressions "snapshot file" and "snapshot view" very cautiosly, because they don't mean the same at all :-) > And what snapshots do you mean? As in mksnap_ffs? Cause that's described > in /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_snapshot.c: > 127 TAILQ_HEAD(snaphead, inode); > 128 > 129 struct snapdata { > 130 struct snaphead sn_head; > 131 daddr_t sn_listsize; > 132 daddr_t *sn_blklist; > 133 struct lock sn_lock; > 134 }; > 135 > > and not exposed to userland. Thanks, this is a good hint ! Just needing some doc and help to understand how to use it : i'm more in design now, programmation skills are far away :-( Best regards, -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 10:40:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB88106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f18.google.com (mail-qy0-f18.google.com [209.85.221.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44DD8FC14 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so4226942qyk.19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:40:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wCYa3SnGMLBWRr7hvLRjun9wmIFtCFgh3B+RgYK/1Rg=; b=hEtivMNqz88BZnxrZzjYBPrnu3AKk6D7yNzg/z0ZrxuELbkNKiXWY4iqADytSxL+UR K20BUgvEE+p1B+9wwnXbNRvIn75IAvWlhbKBDptZcf01AtSbjzPf7PsWT28U4E4/Sz5p k3/jODC8aExMvXlLlhxWhPIjZ0nApgsFWpldA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=fRZyIuwJD4GNC1pov85tAh5KnUB9CykouIH3W1fzj3OgCoeee7hm65dSsVmFfbBXLq ECBxxY5A3Ohn2nw8llPQM+pveuQuL1UMiVpy6pOKgC0t1N6SIctAHXRHsFlA6NCgEWIl d2xKUu8o96qtfsI0yJZKZKq68YzGwTy6UPayc= Received: by 10.214.147.17 with SMTP id u17mr551747qad.55.1229510401005; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.150.7 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:40:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d7dd86f0812170240n28ab5db9qf2816e2d4beefc3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:40:00 +1100 From: "David N" To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200812171015.07390.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4d7dd86f0812150956i3a8d130ak8a4ca462896cd3ff@mail.gmail.com> <200812171015.07390.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Running rsnapshot via cron reboots the machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:40:02 -0000 2008/12/17 Mel : > On Monday 15 December 2008 18:56:46 David N wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have a machine >> AMD Sepron LE-1150 >> ASUS M2A-VM >> 1GB RAM ECC >> 2x SATA 300GB >> >> in a RAID 1 (gmirror). >> 7.0-RELEASE-p2 AMD64 generic kernel >> >> it was doing backups via bacula to an external disk >> USB 2.0 SATA disk, and it was working well. (GLabel) /dev/ufs/BackupDisk >> >> I changed to rsnapshot recently, with the External HDD in glabel + >> gjournal (/dev/da0s1.journal -> /dev/ufs/BackupDisk) and it will >> reboot the machine roughly 30 minutes after the rsnapshot starts via >> CRON. > > Able to get any crash dumps? [1] I doubt it calls reboot system call after 30 > minutes and if it's a heating issue, then it would power down not reboot. So, > kernel is probably panicing. > > [1] > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html > > -- > Mel > > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules > and never get to the software part. > I found something in the vmcore.0 panic: Journal overflow (joffset=499758276096 active=498475869184 inactive=499755984896) cpuid = 0 Uptime: 16h7m11s I tried kgdb on on the vmcore but it didn't work, I had -p2 installed, but compiled p6 so it might of overwrittin things in /usr/obj [GDB will not be able to debug user-mode threads: /usr/lib/libthread_db.so: Undefined symbol "ps_pglobal_lookup"] GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd". Cannot access memory at address 0x0 The journal was set to 2GB on the 400GB USB attached disk. (/dev/da0) I just formatted the disk without gjournal and see how that goes. I guess i can't use gjournal over USB? I have gjournal running on another server (gmirror + gjournal) and i thrash it pretty hard without any problems. Has any new patches for gjournal been included in 7.1? Thanks for the help David N From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 10:55:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE95A1065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:55:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1228FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:55:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBHAshQo035695; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:54:58 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBHAshQo035695 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229511299; bh=SNvSTFQnGjjdqD dKxoGUKBNPHHGn5/e8r6Qsqg8dd8Q=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<4948DA66.6010906@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Wed,=2 017=20Dec=202008=2010:54:30=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081125)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Gary=20Kline=20|CC:=20Matt=20Emmerton=2 0,=20Peter=20Giessel=20,=20=0 D=0A=20FreeBSD=20Mailing=20List=20|S ubject:=20Re:=20looking=20for=20a=20secondary.|References:=20<20081 216234235.GA4593@thought.org>=09<1040795375518338024075910239712192 48307-Webmail@me.com>=09<4E4E9B506F504C4BB0C1713423F970CF@hermes>=2 0<20081217051959.GD11226@thought.org>|In-Reply-To:=20<2008121705195 9.GD11226@thought.org>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=2 0multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"a pplication/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig6C AB458A3A911C0544551F71"; b=cpN6MuTqfBEBbgth6MZWW7c1moDwXgrHSyt8Ki3B DuQTr7XR3ZCVKkP6tswIsHs4VhGfLwfxP7urARQ6tj+dPk+7mPNfrMUnRuyLCahJdVs +cC3X9rKtiKUfO/Sl8wNBtk2zRVuB0gN/zXr3Uypai1U2CFg7lIXMQHCiq6ACACM= Message-ID: <4948DA66.6010906@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:54:30 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> <104079537551833802407591023971219248307-Webmail@me.com> <4E4E9B506F504C4BB0C1713423F970CF@hermes> <20081217051959.GD11226@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20081217051959.GD11226@thought.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6CAB458A3A911C0544551F71" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:54:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8774/Wed Dec 17 08:26:23 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Peter Giessel , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:55:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6CAB458A3A911C0544551F71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary Kline wrote: > well, i've certainly asked more ignorant q's, so hrer goes: > what is a ``zone''? i do my own dns and have since 04/2001. A zone is a group of related DNS records all under the same administrativ= e control. 'Related' meaning they all end in the same sequence of labels. = Zone boundaries are determined pretty much by delegation to another set of DNS= servers. So there's a '.org' zone containing primarily the NS records for all the = domains registered under .org. This is distinct from the 'thought.org' zone you control and here all the sub-entries like www.thought.org or plato.thought.org are part of the same zone. It's not an entirely cut an= d dried definition, but you can think of a zone as 'the chunk of the DNS sp= ace that one person controls.' > thought.org is my one domain, altho i've got several virtual=20 > websites. =20 'domain' in DNS-speak is any sequence of labels[*] known to the DNS. So even if the DNS data is a host name, an e-mail address, the name of a whole network, a crypto key for DKIM or DNSSEC or some aggregate service = name hosted across several different servers via SRV records, they're all doma= ins. Domains can be absolute (ie. from the root of the DNS) or relative to som= e intermediate domain. ie. 'thought.org' is your only zone, although you've got several domains within it for virtual websites. Cheers, Matthew [*] And a 'label' is a sequence of characters not including the separator= character '.' -- a domain is hence a sequence of labels joined together by '.' characters. It's conceptually like the distinction between filena= me and path=20 --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig6CAB458A3A911C0544551F71 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAklI2nMACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzpPQCfYkJEuR/wJcWDv3Pd19KxPoML LwMAnjRQn4mYnzOhtWZ8kIGc3QEkE7RV =kO8I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6CAB458A3A911C0544551F71-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 11:07:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0951065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EC58FC1A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so754024qwb.7 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:07:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wCYa3SnGMLBWRr7hvLRjun9wmIFtCFgh3B+RgYK/1Rg=; b=hEtivMNqz88BZnxrZzjYBPrnu3AKk6D7yNzg/z0ZrxuELbkNKiXWY4iqADytSxL+UR K20BUgvEE+p1B+9wwnXbNRvIn75IAvWlhbKBDptZcf01AtSbjzPf7PsWT28U4E4/Sz5p k3/jODC8aExMvXlLlhxWhPIjZ0nApgsFWpldA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=fRZyIuwJD4GNC1pov85tAh5KnUB9CykouIH3W1fzj3OgCoeee7hm65dSsVmFfbBXLq ECBxxY5A3Ohn2nw8llPQM+pveuQuL1UMiVpy6pOKgC0t1N6SIctAHXRHsFlA6NCgEWIl d2xKUu8o96qtfsI0yJZKZKq68YzGwTy6UPayc= Received: by 10.214.147.17 with SMTP id u17mr551747qad.55.1229510401005; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.150.7 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:40:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d7dd86f0812170240n28ab5db9qf2816e2d4beefc3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:40:00 +1100 From: "David N" To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200812171015.07390.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4d7dd86f0812150956i3a8d130ak8a4ca462896cd3ff@mail.gmail.com> <200812171015.07390.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Running rsnapshot via cron reboots the machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:07:23 -0000 2008/12/17 Mel : > On Monday 15 December 2008 18:56:46 David N wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have a machine >> AMD Sepron LE-1150 >> ASUS M2A-VM >> 1GB RAM ECC >> 2x SATA 300GB >> >> in a RAID 1 (gmirror). >> 7.0-RELEASE-p2 AMD64 generic kernel >> >> it was doing backups via bacula to an external disk >> USB 2.0 SATA disk, and it was working well. (GLabel) /dev/ufs/BackupDisk >> >> I changed to rsnapshot recently, with the External HDD in glabel + >> gjournal (/dev/da0s1.journal -> /dev/ufs/BackupDisk) and it will >> reboot the machine roughly 30 minutes after the rsnapshot starts via >> CRON. > > Able to get any crash dumps? [1] I doubt it calls reboot system call after 30 > minutes and if it's a heating issue, then it would power down not reboot. So, > kernel is probably panicing. > > [1] > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html > > -- > Mel > > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules > and never get to the software part. > I found something in the vmcore.0 panic: Journal overflow (joffset=499758276096 active=498475869184 inactive=499755984896) cpuid = 0 Uptime: 16h7m11s I tried kgdb on on the vmcore but it didn't work, I had -p2 installed, but compiled p6 so it might of overwrittin things in /usr/obj [GDB will not be able to debug user-mode threads: /usr/lib/libthread_db.so: Undefined symbol "ps_pglobal_lookup"] GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd". Cannot access memory at address 0x0 The journal was set to 2GB on the 400GB USB attached disk. (/dev/da0) I just formatted the disk without gjournal and see how that goes. I guess i can't use gjournal over USB? I have gjournal running on another server (gmirror + gjournal) and i thrash it pretty hard without any problems. Has any new patches for gjournal been included in 7.1? Thanks for the help David N From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 11:14:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D5A1065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:14:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gemochka@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BF58FC26 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:14:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gemochka@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so4926326ewy.19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:14:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=deX0XxPC+94WD1MQ0SvdAB/c3P6tXH8sxeVjtY9yJvY=; b=f18FoWm/zJitDrxtL8U3ZcVX3Y2JrH7FX1xXjrEdBKSb2h57Bx64L+++tJd48fV7at 9wd6yywUpDvmNXAbiK3rJgxqmT7z+AgGNDBzrzxLSDj24Cv1joRcEkgtwVqi3Chh2lAs zA52anBszNOqJ+7eBgKgPAmVNKwqWuqnjfasU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JOUa7Pxv1HICwwSAtvc71wv4pPJWcP6aIBOW1XAD3xPJYMC/uqekZSU2gJMAGChcqF IM+VerMxGrJ71ykSE0gj9vOGJyPkjXIq4CD9ruODqBHlP+f+zPUz2EO3/Cbeuw4iel50 SBs+6oMSEE3KzEwOqe/I1zcQHQ5jgkzfez5Lo= Received: by 10.210.36.8 with SMTP id j8mr667487ebj.99.1229512453898; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.51.9 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:14:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <84133fac0812170314gc3a8c15vce24229cecfc6eeb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:14:13 +0300 From: "Gema niskazhu" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: dump and soft-updates question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:14:15 -0000 Hi! I-ve got a question about dump | restore on soft-updates managed slice. When we dump smth on soft updates slice where it actualy(mechanicaly) dump it? Because I-ve forgot to turn of soft-updates off on my backup hdd and dump img on it =) After that i vas quet surprised because it ate 16 Gigs of / but du\df cant show anything about. what is situated in this 16 Gigs. PS:Sorry for my bad english. Cheers --Vasily From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 11:17:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A32106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16878FC17 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl115-32.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.234.32]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBHBHVMV030286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:17:37 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBHBHUm9054720; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:17:30 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBHBHSEx054719; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:17:28 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200812171005.05911.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> (Mel's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:05:05 +0100") Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:01:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87iqpjhxpp.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <569944077.20081215235643@yandex.ru> <87bpvdaqhq.fsf@kobe.laptop> <200812171005.05911.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBHBHVMV030286 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.86, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: KES , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Startup scipt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:17:47 -0000 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:05:05 +0100, Mel wrote: > On Tuesday 16 December 2008 01:54:57 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> The second invocation uses another set of options from `rc.conf': >> >> moused_ums0_enable >> moused_ums0_port >> moused_ums0_type >> moused_ums0_flags >> >> The support for these non-default options is implemented using a small >> local hack in `src/etc/rc.d/moused': >> >> http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/head/etc/rc.d/moused?view=annotate#l24 >> >> It would be great if you found some way to integrate this with the rest >> of rc.d. This way more scripts can support multiple instances of the >> underlying service :) > > Better like jail is done. I like the fact that jail_list is what is > started upon startup but you can have many more jail_foo > defined. Removing one from the list will disable it on boot, but it is > still enabled by itself, so that /etc/rc.d/jail start foo is still valid. That's a fine idea :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 11:24:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30421065677 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shinjii@maydias.com) Received: from smtp.po.exetel.com.au (pecan.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE15D8FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shinjii@maydias.com) Received: from 196.43.96.58.exetel.com.au ([58.96.43.196] helo=enterprise.blackthorn.nu) by smtp.po.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LCuWC-0000Uk-Hw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:24:45 +1100 Message-ID: <4948E1A0.2080804@maydias.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:25:20 +1000 From: Warren Liddell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081206) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Newb help setting up printer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:24:47 -0000 Im trying to setup my Printer a Cannong Pixma Ip1000 which is detected aok soon as i plug it in ... I have looked through a few sites an tryed ot follow some, but im afraid i need a basic HOW TO for dummies type style of setting up an configuring my printer to work on FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE AMD 64 .. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is the site i have been following ... http://www.freebsddiary.org/apsfilter.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 11:51:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FD31065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:51:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9578FC17 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:51:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162EDFD1D0 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:51:55 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 14BB8FD0B2; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:51:55 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_20 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.5.3] (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CA0BFD29B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:51:52 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4948E7D7.8090400@zzz.ee> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:51:51 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081216142942.GA14998@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <4947C9EF.1060606@zzz.ee> In-Reply-To: <4947C9EF.1060606@zzz.ee> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010909030203000408030405" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: socket: too many open file descriptors (Re: Python with many threads) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:51:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010909030203000408030405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Answering my own mail ;) Ott Kstner wrote: > Still, something locks up in the system, when I increase the number > Python threads with http://grub.org/?q=en/node/204 [...] > The frequency of these messages increases with 70 threads. And with > 200 threads the system locks up totally -- almost no access from web. > [I can still access the system and kill the process :) ] > > Clearly, there is some limit in the system. It is not memory, cpu or > bandwidth. If the number of threads is also not limited, it must be > something else. What might it be? > Eventually, I found out that the limiting factor here is named, not capable of handling more request and causing Apache to lock up. But now I am trapped here. Is there anybody who can help? In /var/log/messages: named[63198]: socket: too many open file descriptors I have googled this, but no help. Recompiled bind, adding -DFD_SETSIZE=2048 to CFLAGS. No help. sockstat |grep -c named does not big numbers. With 60 Grubng/Pyhton threads this number is around 20, rises over 100 with 100 threads, but this is still much lower than 2048... Any ideas? Regards, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ --------------010909030203000408030405-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:11:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657021065743; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E838FC13; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E83AFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:11:21 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, KES Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:11:19 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:13:27 +0000 Cc: David Weintraub , Wojciech Puchar , questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon , users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:11:23 -0000 On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: > =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Polytropon. > > =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 14 =E4=E5=EA=E0=E1=F0=FF 2008 =E3., 15:11:35: > > P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar > > P> wrote: > >> > su: Sorry > >> > > >> > > >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash > >> > kes# pw user show svn > >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash > >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > >> > Starting svnserve. > >> > su: Sorry > >> > >> try to change directory to existent > > P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. > > P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. > > P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. > > home# uname -a > FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 > 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7=20 > i386 home# pw user show svn > svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin > > As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it > has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group > > But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve > does not work on > kes# uname -a > FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 > 17:19:12 EET 2008 kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v= 7=20 > i386 echo 'rc_debug=3D"YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Show output from /var/log/messages. =2D-=20 Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:11:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657021065743; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E838FC13; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E83AFBC02; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:11:21 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, KES Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:11:19 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:13:38 +0000 Cc: David Weintraub , Wojciech Puchar , questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon , users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:11:23 -0000 On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: > =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Polytropon. > > =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 14 =E4=E5=EA=E0=E1=F0=FF 2008 =E3., 15:11:35: > > P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar > > P> wrote: > >> > su: Sorry > >> > > >> > > >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash > >> > kes# pw user show svn > >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash > >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > >> > Starting svnserve. > >> > su: Sorry > >> > >> try to change directory to existent > > P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. > > P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. > > P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. > > home# uname -a > FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 > 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7=20 > i386 home# pw user show svn > svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin > > As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it > has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group > > But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve > does not work on > kes# uname -a > FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 > 17:19:12 EET 2008 kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v= 7=20 > i386 echo 'rc_debug=3D"YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Show output from /var/log/messages. =2D-=20 Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:02:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777CB106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:02:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f10.google.com (mail-gx0-f10.google.com [209.85.217.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFE08FC18 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:02:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so282387gxk.19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:02:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=J64uJRr4tbYTPD+6I8g1GLmZb0SYXX8cfaayDAN2vis=; b=kE505T+qJT8NBJ3sSDb/u1yZ0yBSbyK56+X01J+0pF/Bf6MPhIiv8TEMW7stHTQySd FkIzCWbfzpOrKWxDTXWOe/KMmRqxgXO7PGw3luxJ5RMPnrmjDk1tOdjySwdrKqbRcndO bMY3J0katGudtOGyUfM8GkvU4jka8/Opb1S3E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; b=c0okkJdMA4P+6gxeLn615AAn+UMUUCasoukEfxGEhinH0rh4lvd3GJGV/opiYAxjVd EbHQxpQ8/+zD1z5KBfo12b9tZrfwF+5yc2TuiHv9Oth+Z/uayPM0rbx+vn8ri2HiS//L 11dRr1tGrJ2XhljcneC4eIe6YzgKroJ1TpzNk= Received: by 10.64.21.10 with SMTP id 10mr655893qbu.48.1229522534681; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s12sm1696561qbs.10.2008.12.17.06.02.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:02:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: References: <000501c95f8b$9edb12e0$dc9138a0$@com> <200812170909.30344.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200812170909.30344.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c96050$0bf33c30$23d9b490$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclgHsu5rHeoT+ocT+GSf31sRyad3gAMPBWw Content-Language: en-ca Subject: RE: PHP5 as apache module using packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:02:18 -0000 > Hi all; > > Ok so i've reinstalled fBSD-7 and i'm running apache 2.2 installed using > pkg_add > > I need to also run php as a module for apache (the web software i'm using > requires php as module no cgi). Curious: what software and why? The only valid reason is that the sofware writes php_value/php_flag options to .htaccess files. This has many other implications and I would carefully examine the software and all other websoftware I have installed, before allowing this. The software is elgg.org, it is social software, i'm working on a project for a world of warcraft guild (yes this is a money deal), they are looking for a facebookish type site with some custom world of warcraft stuff done. I haven't really looked too much at the software yet although I'm going to. This is going to be on a dedicated server, not doing anything else. Cheers, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:14:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0C21065677 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139898FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E0016C0214; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:14:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBHEEpVS028699; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:14:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:14:50 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Warren Liddell Message-Id: <20081217151450.a18af3cc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4948E1A0.2080804@maydias.com> References: <4948E1A0.2080804@maydias.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newb help setting up printer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:14:58 -0000 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:25:20 +1000, Warren Liddell wrote: > Im trying to setup my Printer a Cannong Pixma Ip1000 which is detected > aok soon as i plug it in ... I have looked through a few sites an tryed > ot follow some, but im afraid i need a basic HOW TO for dummies type > style of setting up an configuring my printer to work on FreeBSD > 7.1-PRERELEASE AMD 64 .. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > This is the site i have been following ... > http://www.freebsddiary.org/apsfilter.php According to your printer model, I think you're best off using CUPS (common UNIX printing system). Don't get me wrong: I've used apsfilter myself for several years now without problems, HP and Lexmark laser printers attached, but since I needed to install FreeBSD 7 from scratch, including new apsfilter version, the printer don't duplex anymore. Furthermore, CUPS is known for supporting more printers than apsfilter does. In some way, it seems that it can even support printers that claim to be "Windows" only. Basically, you should read the handbook's section about printing and then follow the CUPS documentation about how to set uo your particular printer. Printing on FreeBSD can be described as consisting of three parts: the printer queue (spool) which is managed by the OS itself, the printing converter control (CUPS, apsfilter) and finally the particular drivers or converters for the printer. If everyone would have a PS capable printer, only the first part would be needed. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:16:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBA3106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:16:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B3E8FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:16:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LCxBw-0000On-9t for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:16:00 -0800 Message-ID: <21053877.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:16:00 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:16:01 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > Did you try the 'safe-mode' option from the loader menu? > Yes, to reiterate... ThinkDifferently wrote: > > I have tried booting from Boot-only, Disc1, LiveFS. Additionally, I've > tried the default boot, "with ACPI disabled", "Safe Mode", "single user > mode", and "verbose logging". > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > Did you try disabling DMA for the CD-ROM by setting hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 > from the loader prompt, like someone else suggested a few emails back? > Yes. I tried booting from the boot-only CD, choosing option 6 "Escape to loader prompt", entering "set hw.ata.atapi_dma=0", followed by "boot". No change in status, still hangs. At this point, I haven't completely given up all hope. I still have one thing to try. Since the motherboard was obviously made for Windows and only has Windows instructions, what I will try is the following: 1. Make a driver diskette as the mobo instructions state. 2. Boot from Windows Vista Ultimate DVD. 3. On the storage screen, click on the "Load Driver" button. 4. Load the driver and configure the disks as per the instructions. 5. When the storage device shows up in Window's storage screen, I will shutdown. 6. Swap in the FreeBSD boot-only CD. 7. Reboot & observe if it recognizes the storage device &/or hangs. Sound like a plan? Anything else I might try? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21053877.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:17:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2E4106567D for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:17:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3B08FC26 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:17:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA9D16C00B0; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:17:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBHEHTmM028706; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:17:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:17:28 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Gema niskazhu" Message-Id: <20081217151728.88cd2385.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <84133fac0812170142t356bd12aub183ee640284369f@mail.gmail.com> References: <84133fac0812170142t356bd12aub183ee640284369f@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with extracting from md X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:17:34 -0000 First thing that comes to my mind: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:42:29 +0300, "Gema niskazhu" wrote: > # mdconfig -a -f /a/FreeBSD/7.0-amd64-disc1.iso Isn't the "-t vnode" needed anymore, or is it implicitly used? But if you can cd (and maybe ls) on the mounted ISO, it seems that it would be that way... > I think somth works wrong with my motherboar. At least, the rror message you presented looks really strange... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:17:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DC51065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BFD8FC29 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.3/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id mBHEHmWm004665 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:17:49 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 164 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7EE89E6C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:17:47 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 38CAA15; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:17:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:17:46 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081217141746.GA38256@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.164]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:17:49 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8775/Wed Dec 17 11:06:49 2008 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at jchkmail2.jussieu.fr with ID 4948EE10.010 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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B=0.049 -> S=0.049 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: socket: too many open file descriptors (Re: Python with many threads) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:17:51 -0000 Ott Kstner wrote: > In /var/log/messages: > named[63198]: socket: too many open file descriptors See the sysctl variables: kern.maxfiles kern.maxfilesperproc Note that Google leads immediately to this: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/net/2008-07/msg00251.html -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:19:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121321065698 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C698FC1F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so771808qwb.7 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:19:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=0OkvjjsHkeT4KtkN0E6qlCFdWH1ZTB01svyLkdQYKHk=; b=drmuH/cM6ySi09kUpeN9VZDwVqd61JOfy3+g+rEVAobf/DxrWaNuQq4RMCnPyJj9Vl uWRVyNJc0nC1T7JQZxn0Gc+qoBZ5nNDWOwpZD3w4OePYSrDg7MaLHpRSqh+YnwGkqZdY SJS53qiMFVFhiSZT0eyh4INt+PaCXRYcDxbzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=HXfNTA6dbzBmBGK+ClNG+dMeJNbafFYO96TF5+Nh7XlE7mi2Dnz5rehFcyRdGM4ItX MuopYfyFS9oC4F5fInALlLVLVUwcK1+mGFgzUZJJ7GKniW1m5/nNEjaOzcy3Xbp+ZByR YegzSvFhFYpYYTD41IGnyaxcBqauIfoC4jSic= Received: by 10.214.25.1 with SMTP id 1mr795331qay.322.1229523547945; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3743660ywl.35.2008.12.17.06.19.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:19:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49490A5B.1020807@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:07 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, ThinkDifferently Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:19:09 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:36:05 -0800 (PST), ThinkDifferently wrote: > >> ThinkDifferently wrote: >> >>> Another item of curiosity... I just now tried booting from a CentOS >>> 5.2 DVD. It also hangs with a little window titled "Loading SCSI >>> driver" that says "Loading ahci driver..." The funny thing is, I've >>> tried turning off all RAID functionality in the BIOS. On my mobo, >>> this entails setting it to IDE mode, instead of RAID or AHCI. That >>> doesn't appear to do anything. >>> >> I'm at my wit's end with this. I tried FreeBSD in every way I know >> how, and they all hang. >> > > Did you try the 'safe-mode' option from the loader menu? > > Did you try disabling DMA for the CD-ROM by setting hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 > from the loader prompt, like someone else suggested a few emails back? > if he would try it along with the atapicam, he would probably get further. i had a similar issue and that was the solution. well, the errors were the same, so it was the same issue. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:20:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E4A1065676 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85C68FC1E for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LCxG7-0000d0-6W for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:20:19 -0800 Message-ID: <21053991.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:20:19 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49487931.2060608@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487931.2060608@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:20:20 -0000 michael-439 wrote: > > disable dma specifically by escaping to the loader prompt and type > hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 > Tried it. Didn't work. michael-439 wrote: > > you can also try loading the device as a "scsi" device with atapicam. > you could make this static on your iso by editing the loader.conf on the > iso. > Forgive my ignorance; as I've stated earlier, I'm pretty new to FreeBSD. How would I do as you suggest above? -- I've worked with System V Unix for well over 14 years. Working with System III-based FreeBSD, I've come to the conclusion that for every one thing I know about System V, there is one thing I don't know about System III. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21053991.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:21:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B263F1065687 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:21:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f11.google.com (mail-fx0-f11.google.com [209.85.220.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121F68FC27 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so171418fxm.19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:21:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hXIs2NiTfcOoVAHLT16IKdczRkGXPhwWwBbdiN2zjT8=; b=i86C32/0FgDBZ5V+AGOgm8Ma7IjJLyn/0gxxWXWWlWIhsAxv57OHK94jArl7jHFYLe YKbZd5KbTtnB3SesIMg7L/J4h0vn/iXq1siz/KQT7TB/6rUuQaRobsZwQEv6/Hkzvldi /wTwtaI3o1D+HnRLbi8De96t2762RpgzxZOmA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=qwV5d2QmFc4a30KfAaVaHXBmuoJqsM9u6DawzOgU6CucB1kQy3H8lURvZW5iCLlcqU U2YhnugRm6jp1pV/r86xeMMmNYYpPqP46+VbqWVcAAiXwWaX3+avWyflLQMR0oA/Ei3O GwgsYR41QbBxtSbNXn0rplZN+LJVHoZNQ2EXU= Received: by 10.102.218.5 with SMTP id q5mr280310mug.99.1229523660820; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.220.3 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:21:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:21:00 -0600 From: "Andrew Gould" To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200812170900.53046.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200812170900.53046.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bg271828@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:21:02 -0000 On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:00 AM, Mel wrote: > On Tuesday 16 December 2008 16:16:27 Andrew Gould wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum > > > > wrote: > > > I have a FreeBSD 7.0 system that im using in production. I want to > create > > > a FreeBSD virtual machine, to use as a testbed for this production box. > > > > > > The last time i did this it took a lot of time to get the VM set > > > up--installing all the right ports, getting the database configuration > > > right, etc. > > > > > > Are there any shortcuts for this, e.g. a way i can automatically > install > > > the same ports on the new "machine"? I didnt see anything in the > handbook > > > or FAQ about this, but id think that people need to do this all the > time. > > > Any other advice for mirroring the system? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Jen > > > > Someone once posted a shell script that obtained a list of installed > ports > > from the package database system and fed the results to pkg_create, which > > would create binary packages. Unfortunately, I can't locate the script. > > cd /var/db/pkg > mkdir /var/tmp/packages > for DIR in *; do > if test -d ${DIR} -a -f ${DIR}/+CONTENTS; do > pkg_create -vb ${DIR} /var/tmp/packages/${DIR}.tbz > fi > done > > This will create a package for all installed software in /var/tmp/packages. > Adjust accordingly. > > Once ssh is in place on target: > scp -rp /var/tmp/packages target.machine:/var/tmp > > On target: > cd /var/tmp/packages > for FILE in *; do pkg_add ${FILE}; done > > Then all that's left is /usr/local/etc/ and possibly some > dirs /usr/local/share. > -- > Mel > > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules > and never get to the software part. > Thanks, Mel. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:24:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436B51065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197AA8FC29 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LCxJx-0000o8-Gp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:24:17 -0800 Message-ID: <21054078.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49490A5B.1020807@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> <49490A5B.1020807@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:24:18 -0000 michael-439 wrote: > > if he would try it along with the atapicam, he would probably get > further. i had a similar issue and that was the solution. well, the > errors were the same, so it was the same issue. > "he". Are you not talking to me any more? Anyway, what is this atapicam option. How is it implemented, from the loader prompt, editing the iso, or what? BTW, how would one edit the iso? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21054078.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:29:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BC91065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:29:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3B58FC23 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:29:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E36FD387 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:29:17 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 18887FD317; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:29:17 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_45 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from ott.sise (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA1B6FD384 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:29:14 +0200 (EET) From: Ott =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6stner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:29:14 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20081217141746.GA38256@lpthe.jussieu.fr> In-Reply-To: <20081217141746.GA38256@lpthe.jussieu.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812171629.14056.ottk@zzz.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee Subject: Re: socket: too many open file descriptors (Re: Python with many threads) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:29:18 -0000 On Wednesday 17 December 2008 4:17:46 pm Michel Talon wrote: > Ott K=F6stner wrote: >=20 > > In /var/log/messages: > > named[63198]: socket: too many open file descriptors >=20 > See the sysctl variables: >=20 >=20 > kern.maxfiles > kern.maxfilesperproc kern.maxfiles: 12328 kern.maxfilesperproc: 11095 > Note that Google leads immediately to this: > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/net/2008-07/msg00251.html Yes, actually I saw this. 11095 seemed a big number in this case. Increased to: kern.maxfiles: 25000 kern.maxfilesperproc: 20000 =2E.. and the problem remains... :( There are also messages like this: named[63198]: client 127.0.0.1#60448: error sending response: host unreacha= ble Regards, O.K. =2D-=20 M=F5=F5da oma inteneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:30:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5621065725 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:30:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6668FC29 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:30:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1D716C02FC; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:30:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBHEUqhi028764; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:30:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:30:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: ThinkDifferently Message-Id: <20081217153052.ca1258e7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <21054078.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> <49490A5B.1020807@gmail.com> <21054078.post@talk.nabble.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:30:58 -0000 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:24:17 -0800 (PST), ThinkDifferently wrote: > Anyway, what is this atapicam option. How is it implemented, from the > loader prompt, editing the iso, or what? BTW, how would one edit the iso? The atapicam facility can either be loaded as a module via kld_load (or put into /boot/loader.conf as atapicam_load="YES") or compiled into a custom kernel. The effect is that, when atapicam is loaded, ATA(PI) devices can be accessed as if they were SCSI devices. Your install devlice would then be /dev/cd0 (instead of /dev/acd0), using "SCSI commands" to access the ATAPI drive (this is what atapicam "translates"). Editing the ISO, as far as I know, involves the /usr/src tree on a working FreeBSD machine, then editing the source files, and finally "make release". But I'm not sure on this, I've never tried it. Maybe someone with more experience on this tpoic could be more specific and explain? -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 15:01:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8BF106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B9C8FC19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k50so5536245rnd.3 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:01:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=/paqrAAeA2SlgA4/83nvjA8gYMNmuyg6nOf1/RW2qhk=; b=kOnraugS9VBaL1YQqidF1dlm411JzGMp8nQP9fBQ8vtl1OAF3c0Xwk4nj8hCCDb267 +PZ4IF/xi+JsNmfQ0OMjEmohRzDoqjwNlOf8263SDCXpaLO/EcatY6yMhPCgWun9k0qE gGN638IjoB2jFPv1crH4ssUF56eTw+a/m8Who= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=gwnI+2DlQKM/hPsxqRqKylCHIXZxi05C0QDY2Boi5RC4cUEJ9c7yeZn1+jWROwVZjX YFVOX5LdKw9b6oonW3ZjmFqs3BdXprt1LLBLnlNnWtboJcN2pBs602mZfVlCCBwgrxde pSxgfThGpEoPX9nSwrdLtEEp8VeuO+K/ZgRsY= Received: by 10.65.112.13 with SMTP id p13mr676929qbm.99.1229526072716; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:01:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:01:12 -0700 From: "Kelly Jones" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Publishing information via DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:01:14 -0000 Has anyone tried publishing non-DNS information via DNS? Advantages: % Automatic distributed caching on various nameservers. % UDP, so no TCP overhead I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 15:04:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961101065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:04:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB938FC19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:04:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so776480qwb.7 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:04:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=cS4tcOZbaLLXDk8Apmvf1htJ0WMZvBA/iliQKhW7nM8=; b=e4iLfEFkp3T+erb4jWUuEzgjLs7Prk+7sZFEw0UzX5vY9VDK191GtXFTdyy37TQwSi r4mUlx18hfOoM6btDFSjM1JzPvvFmm4ti/6pSxlb3XvQKOifJsnmlhAuXmtO4IGuMw5V +OVP+qfluLB1+N0nqLMtmaun2LTXMdJacpOMM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=gNOkZzViIQpe45yMZhqSDDGzADVQZnD2qBJ4z2FSdjQOQsJj18YKJQvuU9b9YK4sb5 GCE+Y9TXzy71znzg+5PEbWDtrR9O2OyPEPfhqHC8Kz+HMMuCl9trNqQZwGmUAH8WptRH c4ufVLy8/qsefFn9nHHh1eK3VuQeuoszbQBso= Received: by 10.214.115.1 with SMTP id n1mr868895qac.374.1229526278472; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:04:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3048556ywd.11.2008.12.17.07.04.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:04:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49491506.1060400@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:04:38 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> <49490A5B.1020807@gmail.com> <21054078.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081217153052.ca1258e7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081217153052.ca1258e7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, ThinkDifferently Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:04:39 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:24:17 -0800 (PST), ThinkDifferently wrote: > >> Anyway, what is this atapicam option. How is it implemented, from the >> loader prompt, editing the iso, or what? BTW, how would one edit the iso? >> > > The atapicam facility can either be loaded as a module via > kld_load (or put into /boot/loader.conf as atapicam_load="YES") > or compiled into a custom kernel. > > The effect is that, when atapicam is loaded, ATA(PI) devices > can be accessed as if they were SCSI devices. Your install > devlice would then be /dev/cd0 (instead of /dev/acd0), using > "SCSI commands" to access the ATAPI drive (this is what atapicam > "translates"). > > Editing the ISO, as far as I know, involves the /usr/src tree > on a working FreeBSD machine, then editing the source files, > and finally "make release". But I'm not sure on this, I've > never tried it. > > Maybe someone with more experience on this tpoic could be > more specific and explain? > i have edited iso files directly, as it still contains the /boot/loader.conf eg: michael@macpro:/cdrom/boot# ls loader.conf loader.conf michael@macpro:/cdrom/boot# cat loader.conf mfsroot_load="YES" mfsroot_type="mfs_root" mfsroot_name="/boot/mfsroot" atapicam_load="YES" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 15:06:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356A41065677 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f18.google.com (mail-qy0-f18.google.com [209.85.221.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E705D8FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:06:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so4348103qyk.19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:06:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=ngA/sbe+ApPhs1eA91Ztgk6e5vz4vUEOw0U8Znqaygs=; b=XIoS31/S+LcUylvJLQMbzh6jMy7qaQ0Y8NSGnraNKS3MTuUGk4EBKmxxFOpXvGWVqD BqnItuRQrQf7yj6749p56IJqicOryL1ahexHI/Sq3ny8UWPogu+Ft+j0iXzaQVZ346oB 8U+/mny4mSXTqnZVVVcD5mpF6cOBd/v/Ns8XM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=b0pChzwlAf29zwVV+pZhqiDoo6IPQIc1Y3wyo82cRbLeYPgg+P/CxUwjUgRv4Wyops kGzSS4Qj4J36ZqG/uk43R9ZWnuW93Mm3A8eckvUDj+vZ750zf9hxQvQPNH1p+pNnOx3J 5GiDarFLk/ZlQD9Azn4Exnm57wBpnI6xvu1ww= Received: by 10.214.241.16 with SMTP id o16mr894731qah.249.1229526382623; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm3196508ywi.54.2008.12.17.07.06.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:06:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4949156E.304@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:06:22 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> <49490A5B.1020807@gmail.com> <21054078.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081217153052.ca1258e7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20081217153052.ca1258e7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, ThinkDifferently Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:06:26 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:24:17 -0800 (PST), ThinkDifferently wrote: > >> Anyway, what is this atapicam option. How is it implemented, from the >> loader prompt, editing the iso, or what? BTW, how would one edit the iso? >> > > The atapicam facility can either be loaded as a module via > kld_load (or put into /boot/loader.conf as atapicam_load="YES") > or compiled into a custom kernel. > > The effect is that, when atapicam is loaded, ATA(PI) devices > can be accessed as if they were SCSI devices. Your install > devlice would then be /dev/cd0 (instead of /dev/acd0), using > "SCSI commands" to access the ATAPI drive (this is what atapicam > "translates"). > > Editing the ISO, as far as I know, involves the /usr/src tree > on a working FreeBSD machine, then editing the source files, > and finally "make release". But I'm not sure on this, I've > never tried it. > > Maybe someone with more experience on this tpoic could be > more specific and explain? > also, if you're using a windows machine or whatever to burn you iso, download something called ultraiso or similar to edit your iso file. makes it easy as cake. not nearly as fattening. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 15:08:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7141065678 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438EB8FC1B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE158FD26F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:08:46 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id CC9BBFD25C; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:08:46 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_10 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from ott.sise (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B976FD241 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:08:44 +0200 (EET) From: Ott =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6stner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:08:43 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <000501c95f8b$9edb12e0$dc9138a0$@com> <200812170909.30344.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <005701c96050$0bf33c30$23d9b490$@com> In-Reply-To: <005701c96050$0bf33c30$23d9b490$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812171708.43310.ottk@zzz.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee Subject: Re: PHP5 as apache module using packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:08:48 -0000 On Wednesday 17 December 2008 4:02:05 pm Gary Hartl wrote: > The software is elgg.org, it is social software, i'm working on a project > for a world of warcraft guild (yes this is a money deal), they are looking > for a facebookish type site with some custom world of warcraft stuff done. Just experimented with Elgg. Here it is: http://elgg.zzz.ee/index.php Nothing special needed. Just a regular Apache, MySQL, and PHP. 5...10 minut= e install from FreBSD ports. Port: elgg-0.9.1 Path: /usr/ports/www/elgg Info: Blogging and social networking platform make make install create database and it starts like any other PHP/SQL application... Greetings, O.K. =2D-=20 M=F5=F5da oma inteneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 15:20:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D261065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:20:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED65F8FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBHFJuhG001627; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:19:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBHFJseN001624; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:19:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:19:54 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kelly Jones In-Reply-To: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081217161936.B1623@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Publishing information via DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:20:03 -0000 > > % UDP, so no TCP overhead > > I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version > number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? no idea what "large scale" is, but it WILL work if done properly. on any scale. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 15:34:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850BC1065675 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=pauls=2304bd7d9@utdallas.edu) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C8B8FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=pauls=2304bd7d9@utdallas.edu) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,237,1228111200"; d="scan'208";a="4202858" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2008 09:34:22 -0600 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0CB708A34; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:34:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:34:22 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <8C4EF0DE64745893F3E3EE3D@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <200812170818.48243.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> References: <494856EB.5000608@ibctech.ca> <1889F6A8DE3863AB25C59556@Macintosh-2.local> <200812170818.48243.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========73D221446723FA309E31==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Mel , Steve Bertrand Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:34:24 -0000 --==========73D221446723FA309E31========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On Wednesday, December 17, 2008 08:18:47 +0100 Mel=20 wrote: > On Wednesday 17 December 2008 04:33:51 Paul Schmehl wrote: >> --On December 16, 2008 7:33:31 PM -0600 Steve Bertrand >> >> wrote: >> > One of the reasons I've had to edit Makefile manually was because a >> > client needed JPEG support. >> > >> > At the time, `make config' didn't provide that option. >> >> You should *never* need to edit a Makefile in a port. (Well, extremely >> rarely.) > > More often then you think. I encourage understanding the system and editing > to suit your needs. It's a transparent system, unlike many others out there, > so you might as well make good use of it. > > Though a lot of things can be handled by: > 1) environment variables (temporary) > 2) /etc/make.conf (permanent) > 3) Makefile.local (permanent, inclusion is at bsd.port.pre.mk stage which > allows you to override hardcoded settings) > > It is needed in some cases to edit the makefile to fix things or remove > dependencies that the maintainer didn't find necessary to remove or even to > fix bugs. I agree with you with one caveat. Make sure that you know what you're doing=20 before you do this, and be prepared for the consequences. For example, if you=20 edit any files in a port, they will be overwritten when you update your ports.=20 That means you'll have to make those edits again. If you're maintaining your=20 own workstation, that might be an educational experience. If you're=20 maintaining servers, that could cause an outage while you try to remember what=20 your edits were. If you think a port is incorrectly built (unnecessary dependencies, for=20 example) there's nothing wrong with submitting a PR and asking the maintainer=20 to update the port. If the maintainer rejects your changes, you can always=20 edit locally later, but your submission could benefit thousands of people. IOW, if you're the smartest guy on the block, please don't keep it to yourself. --=20 Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========73D221446723FA309E31==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 15:39:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E4D1065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:39:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from smtp2.tls.net (smtp2.tls.net [65.124.104.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1478FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: (qmail 75293 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 15:13:16 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.3 ppid: 75265, pid: 75289, t: 0.1271s scanners: attach: 1.2.3 spam: 3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on smtp-2.tls.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from 64-184-11-100.bb.hrtc.net (HELO ?192.168.1.46?) (ldg@tls.net@64.184.11.100) by ssl-smtp2.tls.net with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 15:13:15 -0000 Message-ID: <49491705.5060108@pixelhammer.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:13:09 -0500 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Publishing information via DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:39:58 -0000 Kelly Jones wrote: > Has anyone tried publishing non-DNS information via DNS? Advantages: > > % Automatic distributed caching on various nameservers. > > % UDP, so no TCP overhead > > I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version > number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? > Someone needs to invent and promote a TextualDatagramPublicationProtocol or TDPP because DNS has been abused for publishing non DNS data for too long. Continuing to use DNS for things it was never intended to do will only cloud the issue and delay implementation when the internet decides to take DNS security seriously. Just my two cents. DAve -- The whole internet thing is sucking the life out of me, there ain't no pony in there. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 16:25:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3651065674 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp244.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp244.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129B38FC25 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5EBEC22D54E; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 5BB1F22D37B; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:25:03 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:25:02 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Paul Schmehl , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: lang/php5 port Thread-Index: AclgZAL+fW0v9rDa2EiBtLxJ9MTeZw== In-Reply-To: <8C4EF0DE64745893F3E3EE3D@utd65257.utdallas.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Mel , Steve Bertrand Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:25:05 -0000 On 12/17/08 10:34 AM, "Paul Schmehl" wrote: > --On Wednesday, December 17, 2008 08:18:47 +0100 Mel > wrote: >> >> ... >> Though a lot of things can be handled by: >> 1) environment variables (temporary) >> 2) /etc/make.conf (permanent) >> 3) Makefile.local (permanent, inclusion is at bsd.port.pre.mk stage which >> allows you to override hardcoded settings) >> >> It is needed in some cases to edit the makefile to fix things or remove >> dependencies that the maintainer didn't find necessary to remove or even to >> fix bugs. > > I agree with you with one caveat. Make sure that you know what you're doing > before you do this, and be prepared for the consequences. For example, if you > edit any files in a port, they will be overwritten when you update your ports. > That means you'll have to make those edits again. thanks. i was going to ask about that. > If you're maintaining your > own workstation, that might be an educational experience. If you're > maintaining servers, that could cause an outage while you try to remember what > your edits were. one has to remember the port's configuration whichever method is used. my memory isn't good so i keep detailed notes. recording in these notes which checkboxes in the config pseudo-gui were checked and unchecked is not convenient. i'm not sure i wouldn't prefer editing a file and keeping a diff with my notes, as i do for the other config files i change. > If you think a port is incorrectly built (unnecessary dependencies, for > example) there's nothing wrong with submitting a PR and asking the maintainer > to update the port. If the maintainer rejects your changes, you can always > edit locally later, but your submission could benefit thousands of people. > > IOW, if you're the smartest guy on the block, please don't keep it to > yourself. i'm certainly not smart enough to know what might be a better way to design ports like php. but one thing seems odd to me. i ended up with dozens of ports installed that appeared to use nothing but the same php-5.2.8.tar.bz2 distfile. relative to what i'm used to with php (i.e. manual configure, compile, install) this seems a bit untidy and i'm nervous what it might mean for maintenance. my guess is that this approach allows the ports framework to handle conditional installation of dependent software on a relatively fine-grained basis depending which options the user chooses. that's a nice feature to have. but wouldn't it be nicer if were just one port with dependencies based off its configuration? seems that would reduce clutter in the ports tree too and maybe effort for the ports maintainer. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 16:39:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06691065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:39:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=pauls=2304bd7d9@utdallas.edu) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC948FC17 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:39:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=pauls=2304bd7d9@utdallas.edu) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,238,1228111200"; d="scan'208";a="4207215" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2008 10:39:37 -0600 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D0748A87; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:39:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:39:37 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <914E354D94F6D86622B01731@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========F1F66B418CCA19711393==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Steve Bertrand , Mel , Tom Worster Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:39:38 -0000 --==========F1F66B418CCA19711393========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:02 -0500 Tom Worster =20 wrote: > >> If you're maintaining your >> own workstation, that might be an educational experience. If you're >> maintaining servers, that could cause an outage while you try to remember >> what your edits were. > > one has to remember the port's configuration whichever method is used. my > memory isn't good so i keep detailed notes. recording in these notes which > checkboxes in the config pseudo-gui were checked and unchecked is not > convenient. i'm not sure i wouldn't prefer editing a file and keeping a diff > with my notes, as i do for the other config files i change. > Your choices for the config of a port are saved in the ports system. (Look in=20 /var/db/ports/ if you're curious.) Unless you need to make some changes, they=20 will be pre-selected each time you update the port. (There are some exceptions = to this, where ports will always prompt for the config.) > >> If you think a port is incorrectly built (unnecessary dependencies, for >> example) there's nothing wrong with submitting a PR and asking the = maintainer >> to update the port. If the maintainer rejects your changes, you can always >> edit locally later, but your submission could benefit thousands of people. >> >> IOW, if you're the smartest guy on the block, please don't keep it to >> yourself. > > i'm certainly not smart enough to know what might be a better way to design > ports like php. but one thing seems odd to me. i ended up with dozens of > ports installed that appeared to use nothing but the same php-5.2.8.tar.bz2 > distfile. relative to what i'm used to with php (i.e. manual configure, > compile, install) this seems a bit untidy and i'm nervous what it might mean > for maintenance. > Php used to be one monolithic port. The problem was that it required a=20 gazillion options, and many people didn't want anything but the base install.=20 So php#-extensions was created to simplify the install of the base port and=20 make the options more flexible. For example, if a new extension comes out, you = can simply install it. No need to reinstall the entire php port. You needn't worry about updating. That's all taken care of in the ports=20 system. When you run portupgrade or portmaster, the extensions ports that need = to be updated will be. > my guess is that this approach allows the ports framework to handle > conditional installation of dependent software on a relatively fine-grained > basis depending which options the user chooses. that's a nice feature to > have. but wouldn't it be nicer if were just one port with dependencies based > off its configuration? > I think you can make a solid argument either way. > seems that would reduce clutter in the ports tree too and maybe effort for > the ports maintainer. > I don't think "we" are worried about clutter in the ports tree. There are over = 16,000 ports (and rising), so another 10 or 20 in php is a fairly insignificant = increase. --=20 Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========F1F66B418CCA19711393==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 17:17:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FB11065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:17:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527B38FC20 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:17:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 97426 invoked by uid 89); 17 Dec 2008 17:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 17:17:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:16:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:17:03 -0000 Here is another newbie question that is driving me crazy, but is probably a laughable situation to an experienced admin... I've got a smallish server that is suddenly out of disk space in the '/' partition. Probably some log files have gotten out of hand. I am going to start looking for the culprits by hand... basically inspecting sub directories, but there must be a better way! Is there a command line tool that will help me figure out where the problem is? Even better, is there a way to proactively monitor the file system, so I can fix problems before I start getting 'out of disk space' errors? Any hints, much appreciated. -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 17:18:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAA4106567C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DED48FC1B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBHHINcR051363; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:18:24 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBHHINcR051363 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229534304; bh=N1SiZYEQYg1CrQ rI2HKyGVpArDzomK24/Hh3h+9Cei8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<4949345F.9040309@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Wed,=2 017=20Dec=202008=2017:18:23=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081125)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Kelly=20Jones=20|CC:=20freebs d-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Publishing=20information=2 0via=20DNS|References:=20<26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4 a69@mail.gmail.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<26face530812170701n4160dba2ve18 3d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content- Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protoc ol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"----------- -enigD788430EF910F5CE4D824C4D"; b=EulLLln9y+SaVflJZZXEuZ7Rmc8KFfx4W Dnn26JsBB/ewh7Xx4IKTzKTiToxWArE25eGQWLrGIdW60ydMu0szqAuWtsc0c44/eQ8 VuF5H/go4IGyBS+VV0hAiLEK7D44tcftlpTzzFiM8b4HmhTXnML1H22ty5YTTlbbK3K BHsc= Message-ID: <4949345F.9040309@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:18:23 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kelly Jones References: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigD788430EF910F5CE4D824C4D" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:18:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8776/Wed Dec 17 15:09:08 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Publishing information via DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:18:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigD788430EF910F5CE4D824C4D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly Jones wrote: > Has anyone tried publishing non-DNS information via DNS? Advantages: >=20 > % Automatic distributed caching on various nameservers. >=20 > % UDP, so no TCP overhead >=20 > I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version > number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? >=20 Read all about 'Hesiod' at a search engine near you. No, not the Greek poet... the other hesiod. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigD788430EF910F5CE4D824C4D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAklJNF8ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxIlgCbBF39dinRiWPzSS40OCt+8zoO dXEAoIEugWi6WR1gwRtNHFP99PP+nZ4y =dnaQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigD788430EF910F5CE4D824C4D-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 17:26:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8FF1065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D08D8FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 99234 invoked by uid 89); 17 Dec 2008 17:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 17:26:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> References: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7B241EE7-10A4-4BAA-9ABC-8DA5D4C1048B@identry.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:26:41 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:26:47 -0000 > Is there a command line tool that will help me figure out where the > problem is? I should probably have mentioned that what I currently do is run du -h -d0 / and gradually work my way down the tree, until I find the directory that is hogging disk space. This works, but is not exactly efficient. -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 17:28:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304931065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry.byrne@wbtsystems.com) Received: from hermes.wbtsystems.com (87-198-244-212.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.244.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CBA8FC1C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:28:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry.byrne@wbtsystems.com) Received: from SUNYA (sunya.wbt.wbtsystems.com [10.12.1.114]) by hermes.wbtsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 12FF7F7410; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:28:19 +0000 (GMT) From: "Barry Byrne" To: "'John Almberg'" , References: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:28:15 -0000 Message-ID: <5FB3CDBC7A1447EF872A0AFD4BA1EA7D@wbt.wbtsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> Thread-Index: Aclga18YK4lXMFqKTWuZcFJRv2JQOwAAR+8w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Cc: Subject: RE: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:28:21 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of John Almberg > Sent: 17 December 2008 17:17 > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: How to find files that are eating up disk space > > Here is another newbie question that is driving me crazy, but is > probably a laughable situation to an experienced admin... > > I've got a smallish server that is suddenly out of disk space in the > '/' partition. > > Probably some log files have gotten out of hand. I am going to start > looking for the culprits by hand... basically inspecting sub > directories, but there must be a better way! > > Is there a command line tool that will help me figure out where the > problem is? > > Even better, is there a way to proactively monitor the file system, > so I can fix problems before I start getting 'out of disk > space' errors? > > Any hints, much appreciated. reebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" As a start you might want to look at the 'du' command. man du for more info. But for a quick start: du -x -d2 -h / should give you some useful info. You generally shouldn't have much writing to the / partition, unless you haven't greated a separate /var partition, which is recommended. - barry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 17:38:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDC81065677 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mats.w.lindberg@telia.com) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7C78FC1F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mats.w.lindberg@telia.com) Received: from [192.168.0.160] (217.210.92.22) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.129) id 48A144C5020AB830 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:38:38 +0100 From: Mats Lindberg To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:38:38 +0100 Message-Id: <1229535518.2635.0.camel@dell> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 (2.10.1-4.fc7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: unsubcribe X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:38:40 -0000 Hello From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 17:41:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED91C1065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cliff@compucast.com) Received: from rs48.luxsci.com (rs48.luxsci.com [65.61.166.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA118FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:41:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cliff@compucast.com) Received: from Cliff-2.local (h55.28.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net [75.89.28.55]) (authenticated bits=0) by rs48.luxsci.com (8.13.1/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mBHHV63r021680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:31:07 -0600 Message-ID: <4949375A.7070708@compucast.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:31:06 -0500 From: Cliff Addy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Almberg References: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> In-Reply-To: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:41:56 -0000 Use "df" to report disk usage. Sitting in /, for example, "df -sm bin" will tell you the disk usage in megs in the bin directory, "df -sm *" will do the same for each file/dir in / "man df" for the whole story Cliff John Almberg wrote: > Here is another newbie question that is driving me crazy, but is > probably a laughable situation to an experienced admin... > > I've got a smallish server that is suddenly out of disk space in the > '/' partition. > > Probably some log files have gotten out of hand. I am going to start > looking for the culprits by hand... basically inspecting sub > directories, but there must be a better way! > > Is there a command line tool that will help me figure out where the > problem is? > > Even better, is there a way to proactively monitor the file system, so > I can fix problems before I start getting 'out of disk space' errors? > > Any hints, much appreciated. > > -- John > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 17:48:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E687B1065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cliff@addy.com) Received: from rs48.luxsci.com (rs48.luxsci.com [65.61.166.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8D68FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cliff@addy.com) Received: from Cliff-2.local (h55.28.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net [75.89.28.55]) (authenticated bits=0) by rs48.luxsci.com (8.13.1/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mBHHcEFi003404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:38:15 -0600 Message-ID: <49493906.7040101@addy.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:38:14 -0500 From: Cliff Addy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Almberg References: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> In-Reply-To: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:48:56 -0000 Uh, that should be "du" not df :) ---------------------------------------------- Use "df" to report disk usage. Sitting in /, for example, "df -sm bin" will tell you the disk usage in megs in the bin directory, "df -sm *" will do the same for each file/dir in / "man df" for the whole story Cliff John Almberg wrote: > Here is another newbie question that is driving me crazy, but is > probably a laughable situation to an experienced admin... > > I've got a smallish server that is suddenly out of disk space in the > '/' partition. > > Probably some log files have gotten out of hand. I am going to start > looking for the culprits by hand... basically inspecting sub > directories, but there must be a better way! > > Is there a command line tool that will help me figure out where the > problem is? > > Even better, is there a way to proactively monitor the file system, so > I can fix problems before I start getting 'out of disk space' errors? > > Any hints, much appreciated. > > -- John > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 17:55:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABF61065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F618FC0C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so12791ywe.13 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:55:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+gHTmb5Tsato7WelDq0RASnqourl4UC/NTdk6laaCTw=; b=IUDDML4UrQuS50x6hUbO6fulZc1IBAGdYk9Mn9vPrjy/P/wE8knglV7jJ/NgWf3yui OFnN9q1i+/Elye3m7AyWQuXh3E41NT9v0OSjw8Lqcydu93jJbkgEyqkKkCKRDYUVa/jO ipm5lTf9s+xsGLx+xnIe/OCgNtQs/1EeGlqq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=eyTpzG1IQi//BXuYZ4QMD8iumK80qH8YHZqgHFBeRwNa6sYd+klvDplBkhI4SeIIlv 26MrEqIfjfYdZxHXaSfXfEUgIZdgZgjEyRRGQ3pOw2MIPp9W46a/mYqb4VRV5Dwk+/pj VIJiobkXzYJvfFNecuZ57hIlS1onTTjsqd32Y= Received: by 10.100.46.10 with SMTP id t10mr753464ant.136.1229535311678; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from hercules.nuvox.net (216.215.202.5.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b14sm2795378ana.12.2008.12.17.09.35.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:35:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4949384D.2080508@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:35:09 -0500 From: Andy Greenwood User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Almberg References: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> In-Reply-To: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:55:41 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Almberg wrote: > Here is another newbie question that is driving me crazy, but is probably a laughable situation to an experienced admin... > > I've got a smallish server that is suddenly out of disk space in the '/' partition. > > Probably some log files have gotten out of hand. I am going to start looking for the culprits by hand... basically inspecting sub directories, but there must be a better way! > > Is there a command line tool that will help me figure out where the problem is? > > Even better, is there a way to proactively monitor the file system, so I can fix problems before I start getting 'out of disk space' errors? > > Any hints, much appreciated. > John, try man du. It will give you file sizes of all the files in a directory tree, which you can then pass to sort and head to pull out the biggest offenders, like this # cd / # du | sort -rn | head -10 for monitoring my system, I use tripwire, but that might be a bit much just for watching disk usage. Try putting a "df -h" in your periodic scripts to have the output of that command mailed to you each day. > -- John > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklJOE0ACgkQEStKVA82Z+1tNgCdHSAYcm5A6sTjbjjHmzL3ynS2 C+0Anim0sf0yIz/l7TVNtdA5a5JbM+Jz =xetm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 17:59:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1611065672 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667B98FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2008 12:58:59 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PIE65314; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2008 12:58:55 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18761.15838.256303.685029@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:58:54 -0500 To: John Almberg In-Reply-To: <7B241EE7-10A4-4BAA-9ABC-8DA5D4C1048B@identry.com> References: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> <7B241EE7-10A4-4BAA-9ABC-8DA5D4C1048B@identry.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:59:00 -0000 John Almberg writes: > > Is there a command line tool that will help me figure out where the > > problem is? > > I should probably have mentioned that what I currently do is run > > du -h -d0 / > > and gradually work my way down the tree, until I find the > directory that is hogging disk space. This works, but is not > exactly efficient. "-d0" limits the search to the indicated directory; i.e. what you can see by doing "ls -al /". Not superior to "ls -al /" and using the Mark I eyeball. What (I think) you want is "du -x -h /": infinite depth, but do not cross filesystem mount-points. This is still broken in that it returns a list where the numbers are in a fixed-width fiend which are visually distinguished only by the last letter. Try this: du -x / and run the resu;ts through "sort": sort -nr and those results through "head": head -n 20 I have a cron job which does this for /usr and e-mails me the output every morning. After a few days, weeks at most, I know what should be on that list ... and what shouldn't and needs investigating. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 18:05:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040F2106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:05:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23BB8FC1C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBHI4vcE002015; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:04:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBHI4uqT002012; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:04:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:04:56 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mats Lindberg In-Reply-To: <1229535518.2635.0.camel@dell> Message-ID: <20081217190440.S2011@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1229535518.2635.0.camel@dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unsubcribe X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:05:05 -0000 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ read again last line From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 18:06:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302721065674 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596078FC2D for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBHI5vH2053412; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:05:59 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBHI5vH2053412 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229537160; bh=OHgo5ggP0lwnOQ WIhLcUysyoZw1CMhZ71G+tTUMyLc0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<49493F7E.7050508@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Wed,=2 017=20Dec=202008=2018:05:50=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User -Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081125)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Tom=20Worster=20|CC:=20Paul=20Schmehl=20

,=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,=20=0D=0A=20Mel =20,=0D=0A=20Steve=20Bertrand= 20|Subject:=20Re:=20lang/php5=20port|References:= 20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/ signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/ pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig22DD889C6B533 7B45A1B36EC"; b=FqKav4cE8S5Ub/zjVkIDOONcHfBK0sDvZS+iV31pjve3kONgrVJ wgrSyn4RW53MaakC1wN1dhUNtHaS24QpL6Hkdc1moFrHXByw2Z02q831AfzxlcSgGjs ltviiRpuhK5iKBx1sZAKHLqZsRHRFYHFVLrJfzX7sgms7pvWrI8Yo= Message-ID: <49493F7E.7050508@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:05:50 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Worster References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig22DD889C6B5337B45A1B36EC" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:06:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8777/Wed Dec 17 17:36:59 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Paul Schmehl , Steve Bertrand , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mel Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:06:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig22DD889C6B5337B45A1B36EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom Worster wrote: > i'm certainly not smart enough to know what might be a better way to de= sign > ports like php. but one thing seems odd to me. i ended up with dozens o= f > ports installed that appeared to use nothing but the same php-5.2.8.tar= =2Ebz2 > distfile. relative to what i'm used to with php (i.e. manual configure,= > compile, install) this seems a bit untidy and i'm nervous what it might= mean > for maintenance. Absolutely not. Don't be confused that the various php5-foo ports all us= e the same distfile: it's a big lump of code, and the individual modules se= lectively compile bits of it. Don't be perturbed that you have a large number of p= orts installed -- after all a port is ultimately just a set of files treated t= ogether as a block. This just means you're getting finer grained control over wha= t you've got installed on your machine. No -- the current design of the way PHP is dealt with in ports is brillia= nt. Consider the alternative -- in fact the way it used to be done. As the maintainer of the port of a PHP application I need to ensure certain functionality is compiled into PHP for that application to work. Unless = the functionality I need happens to be a strict subset of what is provide= d by default, I have to create and maintain slave ports of php4 and php5 with = the appropriate configuration flags. Which is a PITA. Now, ask yourself= what happens if I want to install two different PHP applications simultaneousl= y? OK, now we need another set of PHP slave ports to support that combinatio= n. Before you know it, the ports tree is buried in a combinatorial explosion= of different PHP slave ports all with slightly different combinations of opt= ions. No one understands quite what they really should be installing in any par= ticular circumstance. Because the ports are now too difficult to use, st= andard advice on mailing lists is 'compile and install by hand.' Oh, the embarrassment= ! Compare this to the system we have now. PHP application depends on the f= oo, bar and baz modules. php5-foo and php5-bar are already installed, so no= w we just get php5-baz installed automatically to fulfil the dependencies a= s a routine effect of installing the app. Now add yet another app that depen= ds on baz and quux. php5-baz is already installed, so just the php5-quux modul= e is installed as a dependency. Everyone is happy. =46rom the port maintainer's point of view, the setup is particularly swe= et too. At a minimum to declare that your port uses PHP and needs modules foo, ba= r and baz, all you need to do is add a line: USE_PHP =3D foo bar baz to the port's Makefile. In a lot of cases, that really is /all/ you hav= e to do. Even the more complicated stuff with OPTIONS dialogues or that use different module sets for php4 vs. php5 are only slightly harder to deal = with. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig22DD889C6B5337B45A1B36EC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAklJP4UACgkQ8Mjk52CukIz+cACfRjzln2L3cLXjwOb5znJh1P9S tJ8AoIh6Les6quSD7mUOihrOFhHhhSHQ =zqy1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig22DD889C6B5337B45A1B36EC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 18:06:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CFB1065675 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D50D8FC19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:06:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBHI6add002054; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:06:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBHI6ZqN002051; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:06:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:06:35 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: John Almberg In-Reply-To: <7B241EE7-10A4-4BAA-9ABC-8DA5D4C1048B@identry.com> Message-ID: <20081217190539.T2011@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> <7B241EE7-10A4-4BAA-9ABC-8DA5D4C1048B@identry.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:06:45 -0000 why not du|sort -r|head -20 and you get 20 largest > I should probably have mentioned that what I currently do is run > > du -h -d0 / > > and gradually work my way down the tree, until I find the directory that is > hogging disk space. This works, but is not exactly efficient. > > -- John > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 18:07:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E83106567A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E0A8FC1A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBHI7peM002075; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:07:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBHI7p5h002072; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:07:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:07:51 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: DAve In-Reply-To: <49491705.5060108@pixelhammer.com> Message-ID: <20081217190708.P2011@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> <49491705.5060108@pixelhammer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Publishing information via DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:07:56 -0000 > Someone needs to invent and promote a TextualDatagramPublicationProtocol or > TDPP because DNS has been abused for publishing non DNS data for too long. > Continuing to use DNS for things it was never intended to do will only cloud > the issue and delay implementation when the internet decides to take DNS > security seriously. > where do you see security issue of that? except that someone voluntarily publish his/her private data this way - but it won't be DNS security problem but his/her problem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 18:12:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EEE106568A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7987F8FC14 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBHID006099282 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:13:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:12:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:12:22 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081217181221.GB34943@thought.org> References: <20081216234235.GA4593@thought.org> <104079537551833802407591023971219248307-Webmail@me.com> <4E4E9B506F504C4BB0C1713423F970CF@hermes> <20081217051959.GD11226@thought.org> <20081217053321.GA569@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081217053321.GA569@ayn.mi.celestial.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Subject: Re: looking for a secondary. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:12:33 -0000 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:33:21PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008, Gary Kline wrote: > >On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:20:59PM -0500, Matt Emmerton wrote: > >> >On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, "Gary Kline" > > > > well, i've certainly asked more ignorant q's, so hrer goes: > > what is a ``zone''? i do my own dns and have since 04/2001. > > > > thought.org is my one domain, altho i've got several virtual > > websites. > > > > a number of people have offered to be my secondary, something that > > warms me to the core. this happened once before--i needed a secondary > > and had to scramble. like to take care of it before something > > else happened! --i'm rambling, sorry. > > > > again, a Zone is? > > A zone file has all DNS records related to a domain. Well, then I've got one zone. (Just _thinking_ about what Cricket Liu wrote about creating different levels [in BIND AND DNS] gave me the creeps, so I skipped that.) Following the Keep It Simple Sir philosophy does have its payoffs. gary > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 18:13:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1797F1065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scode@hyperion.scode.org) Received: from hyperion.scode.org (cl-1361.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:960:2:550::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF628FC1D for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scode@hyperion.scode.org) Received: by hyperion.scode.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7E75023C453; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:13:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:13:51 +0100 From: Peter Schuller To: "Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum" Message-ID: <20081217181351.GA10330@hyperion.scode.org> References: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <829861.58495.qm@web53407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:13:53 -0000 --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The last time i did this it took a lot of time to get the VM set up--inst= alling all the right ports, getting the database configuration right, etc. >=20 > Are there any shortcuts for this, e.g. a way i can automatically install = the same ports on the new "machine"? I didnt see anything in the handbook o= r FAQ about this, but id think that people need to do this all the time. An= y other advice for mirroring the system? Opinions definitely vary on what the best method is. What I do nowadays is to: * First of all, never ever interactively configure any ports. * Maintain any necessary global options in /etc/make.conf * Maintain port specific options in /usr/local/etc/ports.conf, and have it applied by ports-mgmt/portconf. * Keep a list of packages that I want installed (NOT including dependencies). I then build packages based on this information in a clean environment; typically a dedicated jail. Because all configuration is declarative, and nothing is a function of interactive dialogs, I know I can reproduce the package set + config at any time. The upgrade on the target machine is a matter of pkg_delete -a to remove all packages, and then re-installing all the built binaries. I have some tools to help me do this that are semi-public, but not really in a nice state at this time. Let me know off-list if you would be interested. --=20 / Peter Schuller PGP userID: 0xE9758B7D or 'Peter Schuller ' Key retrieval: Send an E-Mail to getpgpkey@scode.org E-Mail: peter.schuller@infidyne.com Web: http://www.scode.org --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklJQV8ACgkQDNor2+l1i30GegCfbba0cvJunLAeew/zhuQilb88 29sAn38YlXzgZaLuM0Fjs2qdK5UgYsOX =g36h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 18:19:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A14B1065670 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:19:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CC78FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:19:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 6062 invoked by uid 89); 17 Dec 2008 18:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 18:19:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <18761.15838.256303.685029@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> <7B241EE7-10A4-4BAA-9ABC-8DA5D4C1048B@identry.com> <18761.15838.256303.685029@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D4D65A5-2E5A-47D6-8829-CC69BA137C86@identry.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:19:34 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:19:40 -0000 > >>> Is there a command line tool that will help me figure out where the >>> problem is? >> >> I should probably have mentioned that what I currently do is run >> >> du -h -d0 / >> >> and gradually work my way down the tree, until I find the >> directory that is hogging disk space. This works, but is not >> exactly efficient. > > "-d0" limits the search to the indicated directory; i.e. what > you can see by doing "ls -al /". Not superior to "ls -al /" and > using the Mark I eyeball. sorry... I meant du -h -d1 > What (I think) you want is "du -x -h /": infinite depth, but do > not cross filesystem mount-points. This is still broken in that it > returns a list where the numbers are in a fixed-width fiend which > are visually distinguished only by the last letter. > Try this: > > du -x / > > and run the resu;ts through "sort": > > sort -nr > > and those results through "head": > > head -n 20 Thanks to everyone that suggested this. A much faster way to find the big offenders > > > I have a cron job which does this for /usr and e-mails me the > output every morning. After a few days, weeks at most, I know what > should be on that list ... and what shouldn't and needs > investigating. > And this is a great proactive measure. Thanks -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 19:18:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435341065674 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=va4oVo=4W=shell.siscom.net=vogelke@siscom.net) Received: from lamorack.siscom.net (lamorack.siscom.net [209.251.2.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30498FC12 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:18:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=va4oVo=4W=shell.siscom.net=vogelke@siscom.net) Received: from shell.siscom.net ([209.251.2.80]) by lamorack.siscom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1LD1YH-0000tv-AE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:55:21 -0500 Received: by shell.siscom.net (Postfix, from userid 2198) id 266C6115529; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id 25025B7BA; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:53:53 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <283ACBF4-8227-4A24-9E17-80A17CA2A098@identry.com> (message from John Almberg on Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:16:57 -0500) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Oasis. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20081217185356.25025B7BA@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: vogelke+software@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+software@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:18:55 -0000 >> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:16:57 -0500, >> John Almberg said: J> Is there a command line tool that will help me figure out where the [disk J> space] problem is? I run a script every night to handle this. We have a few business divisions, and each division has several groups sharing files via Samba. Each group likes its own space with permissions that prevent file diddling by other groups. For example, division 3 is on drive /rd04, and has group directories /rd04/div3/engineering, /rd04/div3/finance, and /rd04/div3/marketing. /etc/periodic/daily/315.dirsize: #!/bin/ksh # dirsize: see how big each top-level group directory is. PATH=/bin:/usr/bin BLOCKSIZE=1m BLOCK_SIZE=1048576 export PATH BLOCKSIZE BLOCK_SIZE umask 022 tag=`basename $0` host=`hostname | cut -f1 -d.` logmsg () { logger -t "$tag" "$@" } # Check group areas on each drive. list=' /rd01/div1 /rd02/logs /rd03/div2 /rd04/div3 ' ( for dir in $list do logmsg checking size of $dir find $dir -type d -maxdepth 1 -print | tail +2 | sort | xargs du -s echo done ) | mailx -s "$tag: directory sizes on $host" root logmsg done exit 0 J> Even better, is there a way to proactively monitor the file system, so I J> can fix problems before I start getting 'out of disk space' errors? This script is run hourly to tell me if we completely run out of room on something like /var or one of the user drives. I run it on BSD and Solaris boxes, so I try to avoid GNU or OS dependencies. /usr/local/cron/checkdrives: #!/bin/ksh # checkdrives: send mail if a filesystem gets too full PATH=/bin:/usr/bin export PATH # Portability stuff here. case "`uname -s`" in SunOS) DF='/usr/xpg4/bin/df -F ufs -k' ;; FreeBSD) DF='/bin/df -t ufs -k' ;; *) DF='df' ;; esac # "Too full" means 99% and less than 100 Mbytes available. str=`$DF | # Check filesystem size ... tail +2 | # ... skip the header ... tr -d '%' | # ... kill the percent sign ... awk '$4 < 100000 && \ $5 >= 99 {print $6}'` # ... and print the filesystem. case "X$str" in X) ;; *) $DF $str | mailx -s 'Filesystem getting full' root ;; esac exit 0 -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company It only rains straight down. God doesn't do windows. --Steven Wright From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 19:19:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323D51065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from smtp1.tls.net (smtp1.tls.net [65.124.104.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02458FC22 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: (qmail 29772 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 19:19:23 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.3 ppid: 29759, pid: 29769, t: 0.1503s scanners: attach: 1.2.3 spam: 3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on smtp1.tls.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from 64-184-11-100.bb.hrtc.net (HELO ?192.168.1.46?) (ldg@tls.net@64.184.11.100) by ssl-smtp1.tls.net with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 19:19:23 -0000 Message-ID: <494950B1.3090305@pixelhammer.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:19:13 -0500 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> <49491705.5060108@pixelhammer.com> <20081217190708.P2011@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081217190708.P2011@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Publishing information via DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:19:28 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Someone needs to invent and promote a >> TextualDatagramPublicationProtocol or TDPP because DNS has been abused >> for publishing non DNS data for too long. Continuing to use DNS for >> things it was never intended to do will only cloud the issue and delay >> implementation when the internet decides to take DNS security seriously. >> > where do you see security issue of that? except that someone voluntarily > publish his/her private data this way - but it won't be DNS security > problem but his/her problem > > I can see the DNS system changing in order to provide needed security, and the process/protocol being delayed or muddied because of possible interference with SpamAssassin channel publication, or ClamAV update publication, or SPF, or whatever is next chosen to piggy back onto DNS. DNS is the lifeblood of the internet, without it nothing works. DNS should not be the open pipe everyone throws their excess baggage into. Just my thoughts. I won't argue the point with those who want to use DNS text records for broadcasting when their Flicker account has new puppy pictures. DAve -- The whole internet thing is sucking the life out of me, there ain't no pony in there. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 19:30:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA473106567B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:30:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3451C8FC13 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LD260-0002i5-9a; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:30:12 +0000 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id mBHJU9Xe022305; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:30:10 GMT Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A77ECFCB841; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:30:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:30:04 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081217193004.GA67422@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1924707459-1229421050-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-691910828-@bxe1001.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> <200812160114.53803.beech@alaskaparadise.com> <20081216122827.V61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081216122827.V61117@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p2 i386 X-Organisation: 'http://www.shute.org.uk/' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.1.7 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:30:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i686 CPU Compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:30:17 -0000 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:29:02PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >7.0 is perfectly stable and is recommended for production use. It's not > >bleeding edge code. That's 8.0-CURRENT which is NOT for production use. > >Unless you have a particular reason for using 6.x I would go with 7.0 It's > >fully tested. > > nothing is ever fully tested ;) but yes, 7.0 can be classified stable. i > would recommend 7.1-BETA install as some bugs are fixed there If the original poster has fairly new hardware, then he might like to go with 7.1-RC1. This has got fixes for newer NICs and graphic cards - after all 7.0 is about a year old. If my memory serves me well, it's fairly rare to have bug fixes between the release candidates & the final release, so he shouldn't have too many problems with it. I just installed 7.1-BETA on a laptop when 7.0 was a no-go because it didn't support the NIC (realtek, I think) and the GPU (Nvidia 8600 M) using the nv driver. My advice on the i386 v AMD64 question is if your memory is 4GB or over (or likely to be in the future) use AMD64, otherwise take your pick. i386 has better support for Flash and proprietary Nvidia driver which might matter. I'm assuming the CPU supports the 64 bit extensions, if not, you have to use i386. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 19:47:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21D0106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A328E8FC1B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LD2Mc-000700-Tc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:47:22 -0800 Message-ID: <21060042.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:47:22 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:47:23 -0000 Steve Bertrand-2 wrote: >=20 >=20 > ThinkDifferently wrote: >>=20 >>> ...some more interesting errors from bootup... >>> hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Feb 24 2008 10:34:18)=20 >>> :confused: >>> acpi0: <052008 RSDT1050> on motherboard >>> acpi0: [ITHREAD] >>> acpi0: Power Button (fixed) >>> acpi0: reservation of free00000, 1000 (3) failed >>> acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed >>> acpi0: reservation of 100000, c7f00000 (3) failed >>=20 >=20 > AFAIK, your RocketRAID should be picked up by the 'twe' driver. >=20 RocketRAID ??? :confused: So, there is quite a bit of confusion going on here. My motherboard is the MSI K9N2G Neo-FD. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16813130182 http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=3DK9N2G_Neo-FD&class=3D= mb It is AMD64 using the NVIDIA chipset. Its manual states that it has the NVIDIA NForce Storage Controller, and there is absolutely no mention of RocketRAID anywhere in the manual or on MSI's web site. MSI mentions... 6 SATA II (1~6) ports by NVIDIA=C2=AE GeForce 8200 Series SATAII 1~6 support RAID 0/1/0+1/5 or JBOD mode by NVIDIA=C2=AE GeForce 8200 Series RocketRAID appears to be a type of PCI card RAID controller, which I don't have. I'm very confused why FreeBSD uses the "HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1" on boot. Also, isn't the NVIDIA chipset supposed to be supported by FreeBSD? I have a USB boot of FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE. I put hptrr_load=3D"YES" in the /boot/loader.conf file. But, I haven't tried it yet (I'm at work at the moment). Is there anything else to try? What about getting FreeBSD to not use RocketRAID? Shouldn't it be loading = a driver for NForce? --=20 View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on= -boot-tp21039625p21060042.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 20:00:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6810010656AB for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962958FC14 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp14.yandex.ru (smtp14.yandex.ru [77.88.32.84]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 210004C55F6 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:00:17 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 242-72-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net ([92.113.72.242]:62983 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S393316AbYLQUAK (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:00:10 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp14 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229544010 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 2 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp14.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:00:12 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <453063781.20081217220012@yandex.ru> To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: can not view which fib process is using X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:00:20 -0000 , Questions. How to view which FIB process if use? I cat setfib but I can not view later which fib use my FEATURE REEQUEST: implement option to 'ps' to view which FIB process is using Actually problem is next. I use 'torrentflux' I change index.php line 88 $command = "cd " . $cfg["path"] . $owner . "; HOME=".$cfg["path"]."; export HOME;"; -$command.= "nohup " .$cfg["btphpbin"] . " ".$runtime." ".$sharekill." ".$cfg["torrent_file_path"].$alias.".stat ".$owner." --response +$command.= " setfib ". rand(0,1) ." nohup " .$cfg["btphpbin"] . " ".$runtime." 20 ".$cfg["torrent_file_path"].$alias.".stat ".$owner. Notice 'setfib'. I use setfib here to run '/usr/local/libexec/btphptornado.py' to use default route 0 or default route 1. All instances of process that are using route 1 (setfib 1) are still go through route 0. kes# ifconfig ng0 ng0: flags=88d1 metric 0 mtu 1492 inet 92.113.8.197 --> 195.5.5.202 netmask 0xffffffff kes# ifconfig ng1 ng1: flags=88d1 metric 0 mtu 1492 inet 92.113.72.242 --> 195.5.5.203 netmask 0xffffffff kes# setfib 0 netstat -nr | less Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 195.5.5.202 UGS 0 16327188 ng0 .... kes# setfib 1 netstat -nr | less Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 195.5.5.203 UGS 0 3347279 ng1 .... Packets that must go through ng1 are going through ng0 kes# tcpdump -n -i ng0 src 92.113.72.242 tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode listening on ng0, link-type NULL (BSD loopback), capture size 96 bytes 21:54:42.971565 IP 92.113.72.242.33695 > 92.101.188.147.3870: R 0:0(0) ack 3977401380 win 0 21:54:43.027593 IP 92.113.72.242.40835 > 85.140.114.68.2800: R 0:0(0) ack 3996727808 win 0 21:54:43.235059 IP 92.113.72.242.40835 > 91.203.63.6.3808: R 0:0(0) ack 20527351 win 0 21:54:43.256561 IP 92.113.72.242.40835 > 193.109.129.226.2741: R 0:0(0) ack 1518499679 win 0 21:54:43.532925 IP 92.113.72.242.33718 > 94.25.61.243.50889: R 0:0(0) ack 3839853583 win 0 21:54:43.579555 IP 92.113.72.242.48509 > 82.170.130.251.59315: R 0:0(0) ack 2768802435 win 0 21:54:43.677122 IP 92.113.72.242.48509 > 212.75.197.168.1212: R 0:0(0) ack 3327449055 win 0 21:54:43.772060 IP 92.113.72.242.40835 > 80.240.220.152.53482: R 0:0(0) ack 299780238 win 0 21:54:43.774576 IP 92.113.72.242.40835 > 94.178.211.178.3358: R 0:0(0) ack 2300749243 win 0 21:54:43.884896 IP 92.113.72.242.33718 > 87.118.120.249.4667: R 0:0(0) ack 597152031 win 0 21:54:43.888057 IP 92.113.72.242.40835 > 90.189.39.28.4046: R 0:0(0) ack 407943006 win 0 And arriving through ng1 kes# tcpdump -n -i ng1 dst 92.113.72.242 tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode listening on ng1, link-type NULL (BSD loopback), capture size 96 bytes 21:55:02.965381 IP 85.113.139.248.12442 > 92.113.72.242.49197: S 3784250155:3784250155(0) win 65535 21:55:03.016658 IP 78.106.238.247.33710 > 92.113.72.242.40835: UDP, length 67 21:55:03.072568 IP 91.90.15.36.2451 > 92.113.72.242.39402: S 79361479:79361479(0) win 65535 21:55:03.385356 IP 93.135.205.93.4432 > 92.113.72.242.40835: S 1774379497:1774379497(0) win 32767 21:55:03.429475 IP 69.9.105.209.50863 > 92.113.72.242.40835: S 2727062150:2727062150(0) win 65535 21:55:03.537588 IP 94.158.32.107.3004 > 92.113.72.242.48509: S 1587739071:1587739071(0) win 16384 21:55:03.853375 IP 86.57.159.146.29687 > 92.113.72.242.40835: S 426526591:426526591(0) win 65535 21:55:04.187938 IP 81.88.114.216.44433 > 92.113.72.242.40835: UDP, length 67 21:55:04.209383 IP 79.140.170.10.56778 > 92.113.72.242.40835: S 124589897:124589897(0) win 64240 21:55:04.247917 IP 193.17.174.6.3893 > 92.113.72.242.33718: S 94220847:94220847(0) win 65535 21:55:04.315516 IP 89.109.14.126.1319 > 92.113.72.242.40835: S 2033078660:2033078660(0) win 65535 21:55:04.453367 IP 194.187.50.165.1681 > 92.113.72.242.40835: S 3973432781:3973432781(0) win 65535 21:55:04.638606 IP 78.45.120.164.17477 > 92.113.72.242.48509: UDP, length 103 kes# ipfw show 00001 4008 2372149 allow ip from any to any 65535 0 0 deny ip from any to any It this BUG or I miss something? -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 20:02:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F35106567D; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE4E8FC1C; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp14.yandex.ru (smtp14.yandex.ru [77.88.32.84]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id A8EFA4C5668; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:02:07 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 242-72-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net ([92.113.72.242]:63239 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S393316AbYLQUCE (ORCPT + 6 others); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:02:04 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp14 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229544124 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 9 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp14.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:02:07 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:06:52 +0000 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, David Weintraub , users@subversion.tigris.org, Wojciech Puchar , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:02:11 -0000 , Mel. 17 2008 ., 9:11:19: M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >> , Polytropon. >> >> 14 2008 ., 15:11:35: >> >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >> >> P> wrote: >> >> > su: Sorry >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >> >> > kes# pw user show svn >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> >> > Starting svnserve. >> >> > su: Sorry >> >> >> >> try to change directory to existent >> >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >> >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >> >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >> >> home# uname -a >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >> i386 home# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >> >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group >> >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >> does not work on >> kes# uname -a >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >> i386 M> echo 'rc_debug="YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start M> Show output from /var/log/messages. kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to YES. Starting svnserve. /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 20:02:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F35106567D; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE4E8FC1C; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp14.yandex.ru (smtp14.yandex.ru [77.88.32.84]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id A8EFA4C5668; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:02:07 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 242-72-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net ([92.113.72.242]:63239 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S393316AbYLQUCE (ORCPT + 6 others); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:02:04 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp14 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229544124 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 9 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp14.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:02:07 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:07:05 +0000 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, David Weintraub , users@subversion.tigris.org, Wojciech Puchar , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:02:11 -0000 , Mel. 17 2008 ., 9:11:19: M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >> , Polytropon. >> >> 14 2008 ., 15:11:35: >> >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >> >> P> wrote: >> >> > su: Sorry >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >> >> > kes# pw user show svn >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> >> > Starting svnserve. >> >> > su: Sorry >> >> >> >> try to change directory to existent >> >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >> >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >> >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >> >> home# uname -a >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >> i386 home# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >> >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group >> >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >> does not work on >> kes# uname -a >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >> i386 M> echo 'rc_debug="YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start M> Show output from /var/log/messages. kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to YES. Starting svnserve. /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 20:18:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9A81065674 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:18:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E720C8FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:18:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 21142 invoked by uid 89); 17 Dec 2008 20:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 17 Dec 2008 20:18:33 -0000 In-Reply-To: <20081217185356.25025B7BA@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> References: <20081217185356.25025B7BA@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6D70179B-137E-4001-9E88-52453FF341FE@identry.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Almberg Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:18:29 -0500 To: vogelke+software@pobox.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find files that are eating up disk space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:18:35 -0000 On Dec 17, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Karl Vogel wrote: >>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:16:57 -0500, >>> John Almberg said: > > J> Is there a command line tool that will help me figure out where > the [disk > J> space] problem is? > > I run a script every night to handle this. > > exit 0 > > -- > Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my > company > Very helpful. Thanks, Karl. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 20:26:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB3F106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathanm@bvunet.net) Received: from mx.bvunet.net (mx.bvunet.net [216.184.65.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BEC8FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathanm@bvunet.net) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1229544295-62c800e70000-sU0Xoj X-Barracuda-URL: http://216.184.65.15:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.bvunet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.bvunet.net (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id D75B019BBAE1 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bvunet.net (mail.bvunet.net [216.184.64.3]) by mx.bvunet.net with ESMTP id mhHJrTu6WUX9rqkO for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from JonathanMoorPC (camacnet-79-170.bvunet.net [69.27.79.170]) by mail.bvunet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBHKCkJf008152 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:12:46 -0500 From: "Jonathan Moore" To: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: su qeustion Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:12:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c96083$cf622db0$6e268910$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclgftxSvVPn1zj0TFirCEaf+NxbxA== Content-Language: en-us X-Barracuda-Connect: mail.bvunet.net[216.184.64.3] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1229544295 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by BVU Spam Firewall at bvunet.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: su qeustion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:26:03 -0000 I just installed FreeBSD with Gnome. And I changed the shell when I was logged ito the terminal as su root. Now when I try to log in to su it asks for a password and I get "su: /usr/bin/csh: No such file or directory" how can I change it back. Thanks Jonathan Moore From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 20:49:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2F91065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B72A8FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [17.128.113.52]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD524AFA0E6; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay14.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay14.apple.com (Symantec Brightmail Gateway) with ESMTP id 1553A28086; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:49:45 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807134-a4853bb000000ff0-43-494965e86066 Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (cswiger1.apple.com [17.227.140.124]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id F2F5928082; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:49:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1C43A58A-F629-4BF9-8FF8-4942DA509570@mac.com> From: Chuck Swiger To: Jonathan Moore In-Reply-To: <000301c96083$cf622db0$6e268910$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:49:44 -0800 References: <000301c96083$cf622db0$6e268910$@net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: su qeustion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:49:45 -0000 On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Jonathan Moore wrote: > I just installed FreeBSD with Gnome. And I changed the shell when I > was > logged ito the terminal as su root. Now when I try to log in to su > it asks > for a password and I get "su: /usr/bin/csh: No such file or > directory" how > can I change it back. Reboot into single-user mode, which will give you a /bin/sh root shell, run vipw, and fix the root shell to be /bin/csh. Or, if you have sudo available, you can use that directly to get a root shell and fix it without needing to hit single-user mode.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 21:04:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E2C106568D for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C624E8FC18 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30A348C7 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:05:38 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081217190708.P2011@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> <49491705.5060108@pixelhammer.com> <20081217190708.P2011@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:04:48 +1000 Message-Id: <1229547890.1266.49.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Publishing information via DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:04:58 -0000 On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 19:07 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Someone needs to invent and promote a TextualDatagramPublicationProtocol or > > TDPP because DNS has been abused for publishing non DNS data for too long. > > Continuing to use DNS for things it was never intended to do will only cloud > > the issue and delay implementation when the internet decides to take DNS > > security seriously. > > > where do you see security issue of that? except that someone voluntarily > publish his/her private data this way - but it won't be DNS security > problem but his/her problem I'm not pretending to be any kind of expert in this, but as with any software not used as it should it does get cloudy. Security in DNS is already an issue with care to be taken in who can see what and how it gets updated or what not- particularly with slave DNS' involved. I can't say what security issues it would raise, but I wouldn't be implementing anything like that myself for the same reasons. I'd stick to hostnames and maybe services which it was designed for. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 21:05:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8860D106567E for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from blade2-ext.obspm.fr (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E4D8FC14 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:05:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by blade2-ext.obspm.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/11/07) with ESMTP id mBHL5gL6030183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:05:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:05:42 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:05:43 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8777/Wed Dec 17 18:36:59 2008 on blade2-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:05:45 -0000 Hi all. I'm trying to install a nagios server in a jail. I've a problem with check_ping. [root@]# /usr/local/libexec/nagios/check_ping -H some_host -w 3000.0,80% -c 5000.0,100% -p 5 CRITICAL - You need more args!!! Could not open pipe: So I think it's become the ping problem. So I put sysctl -w security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=1 in the host-jail-server. In the jail I can make a ping but the nagios check_ping don't work. Anyone have succefully install a nagios server in a jail ? Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Tlphone : 01 45 07 76 26 Heure local/Local time: Mer 17 dc 2008 22:02:55 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 21:15:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2C31065678 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:15:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11E68FC22 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CDBA41EA6FB; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 9139E1E58A9; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:15:04 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:15:03 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Thread-Topic: lang/php5 port Thread-Index: AclgjIbM0orgvUowaUKtQw4Ou2o3LA== In-Reply-To: <49493F7E.7050508@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Paul Schmehl , Steve Bertrand , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mel Subject: Re: lang/php5 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:15:07 -0000 On 12/17/08 1:05 PM, "Matthew Seaman" wrote: > Tom Worster wrote: > >> i'm certainly not smart enough to know what might be a better way to design >> ports like php. but one thing seems odd to me. i ended up with dozens of >> ports installed that appeared to use nothing but the same php-5.2.8.tar.bz2 >> distfile. relative to what i'm used to with php (i.e. manual configure, >> compile, install) this seems a bit untidy and i'm nervous what it might mean >> for maintenance. > > Absolutely not. Don't be confused that the various php5-foo ports all use > the same distfile: it's a big lump of code, and the individual modules > selectively > compile bits of it. Don't be perturbed that you have a large number of ports > installed -- after all a port is ultimately just a set of files treated > together > as a block. This just means you're getting finer grained control over what > you've > got installed on your machine. fair enough. this seems analogous to the long list of options i used to use on ./configure when installing from the php tarball. > No -- the current design of the way PHP is dealt with in ports is brilliant. > > Consider the alternative -- in fact the way it used to be done. relative to other ways of designing ports i can accept that the current one is better. my point of view, however, is someone transitioning from manual install to using lang/php5-extensions. it's new to me and i need to learn. the conversation here has been very helpful (thanks again, all). at the same time i'm transitioning from 6.2 to 7.0 and learning how to use freebsd-update and portmaster. previously, upgrading freebsd was such a big project that i'd do it on the production servers very infrequently and reinstalling all the apps from scratch after os upgrade seemed acceptable. but now it seems silly not to take advantage of the new automation tools for freebsd and ports updates. hence learning to use ports for everything seems like the way to go. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 21:25:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7001C1065679 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steven@hudson-trading.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f16.google.com (mail-gx0-f16.google.com [209.85.217.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2083A8FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steven@hudson-trading.com) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so110137gxk.19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.54.6 with SMTP id c6mr2003475yba.206.1229547128149; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.2.200.65? ([209.249.190.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a68sm4528319rnc.12.2008.12.17.12.52.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:52:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: Steven Kreuzer Message-Id: From: Steven Kreuzer To: Jonathan Moore In-Reply-To: <000301c96083$cf622db0$6e268910$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:52:05 -0500 References: <000301c96083$cf622db0$6e268910$@net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: su qeustion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:25:05 -0000 On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Jonathan Moore wrote: > I just installed FreeBSD with Gnome. And I changed the shell when I > was > logged ito the terminal as su root. Now when I try to log in to su > it asks > for a password and I get "su: /usr/bin/csh: No such file or > directory" how > can I change it back. su root -c /bin/sh and then change the shell to /bin/csh -- Steven Kreuzer http://www.exit2shell.com/~skreuzer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 21:30:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F481065675; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mail.cksoft.de (mail.cksoft.de [62.111.66.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723598FC18; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from localhost (amavis.str.cksoft.de [192.168.74.71]) by mail.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736ED41C5EB; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:30:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cksoft.de Received: from mail.cksoft.de ([62.111.66.27]) by localhost (amavis.str.cksoft.de [192.168.74.71]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qOUAF91JjH52; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:30:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.cksoft.de (Postfix, from userid 66) id 2426B41C5D8; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:30:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net (maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net [10.111.66.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.int.zabbadoz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231F84448D5; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:28:12 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" X-X-Sender: bz@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net To: Albert Shih In-Reply-To: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> Message-ID: <20081217212740.I97918@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> References: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> X-OpenPGP-Key: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-91587504-1229549292=:97918" Cc: freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:30:08 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-91587504-1229549292=:97918 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Albert Shih wrote: Hi, > I'm trying to install a nagios server in a jail. > > I've a problem with check_ping. > > [root@]# /usr/local/libexec/nagios/check_ping -H some_host -w 3000.0,80% = -c 5000.0,100% -p 5 > CRITICAL - You need more args!!! > Could not open pipe: > > So I think it's become the =ABping problem=BB. So I put > > =09sysctl -w security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=3D1 > > in the host-jail-server. > > In the jail I can make a ping but the nagios check_ping don't work. > > Anyone have succefully install a nagios server in a jail ? so do you know what check_ping is trying to do? Does it give you an error message? Anything? /bz --=20 Bjoern A. Zeeb The greatest risk is not taking one. --0-91587504-1229549292=:97918-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 21:40:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902A51065675; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:40:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from fl.us.spammertrap.net (fl.us.spammertrap.net [204.89.241.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0C38FC13; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:40:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BFBE6089; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:23:25 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=secnap.net; h= content-type:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :user-agent:from:date:message-id:received:received: x-virus-scanned; s=dkim; t=1229549004; bh=6e+B5fmm5D8IHCY5XquDos E2xqfM0yeMpi134NIrtrM=; b=DBdwjkFscmR9565G7vHJT5eQVZQvtF9xdi3TbZ GFydANB38fGS3EQdsRD5JorPBSxzhYiYWju6r5Upq6P9X2Mk/MgLySdPrbiKuFK8 6v4x4+BBsof2u1PrlbJ0QPCdEcmI54daOTfkfxmWmRpMDa+3B8X7cZDh7nIBrmDR 1/Mbo= X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) - fl.us.spammertrap.net X-Virus-Scanned: SpammerTrap(r) SME-150 1.89 at fl.us.spammertrap.net Received: from secnap3.secnap.com (secnap3.secnap.com [204.89.241.130]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFABE6087; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mikes-laptop.secnap.com ([10.70.3.3]) by secnap3.secnap.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:23:24 -0500 Message-ID: <49496DCC.8060600@secnap.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:23:24 -0500 From: Michael Scheidell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr References: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> In-Reply-To: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2008 21:23:24.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1E30430:01C9608D] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:40:42 -0000 hmm we have it working, let me see how. Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm trying to install a nagios server in a jail. > > -- Michael Scheidell, CTO Phone: 561-999-5000, x 1259 > *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Certified SNORT Integrator * King of Spam Filters, SC Magazine 2008 * Information Security Award 2008, Info Security Products Guide * CRN Magazine Top 40 Emerging Security Vendors _________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). For Information please see http://www.secnap.com/products/spammertrap/ _________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 21:46:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1523B106564A for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:46:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7827F8FC16 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:46:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl115-32.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.234.32]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBHLkJ4j003590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:46:24 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBHLkHQK002132; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:46:17 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBHLkG7d002131; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:46:16 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: ThinkDifferently In-Reply-To: <21053877.post@talk.nabble.com> (ThinkDifferently's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:16:00 -0800 (PST)") Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:46:50 +0200 Message-ID: <87ljuewpn9.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> <21053877.post@talk.nabble.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBHLkJ4j003590 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.861, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:46:40 -0000 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:16:00 -0800 (PST), ThinkDifferently wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> Did you try the 'safe-mode' option from the loader menu? > > Yes, to reiterate... Ok, just making sure that you didn't miss that one. Sorry for the noise :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 21:55:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DCB1065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from gate.criticalsoftware.com (gate.criticalsoftware.com [212.13.37.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34C88FC19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (cm-84-91-76-82.netvisao.pt [84.91.76.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gate.criticalsoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6528E849B; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:54:57 +0000 (WET) Message-ID: <49497531.3010500@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:54:57 +0000 From: Ricardo Jesus User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel References: <6c51dbb10812140628t3531c703r85f691d228dfd8e3@mail.gmail.com> <200812170748.58764.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200812170748.58764.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FuLLBLaSTstorm Subject: Re: freebsd-update killed my /var X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ricardo.m.jesus@criticalsoftware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:55:00 -0000 Mel wrote: > On Sunday 14 December 2008 15:28:16 FuLLBLaSTstorm wrote: >> Hey all, >> Recently I've run freebsd-update on my desktop machine, but it failed >> saying that it cannot save its files anymore to /var because the >> filesystem is full. now df shows something like this: >> # df >> /dev/ad0s1d 253678 250630 -17248 107% /var > > If this is what I think it is, a 256k /var, then I'm not surprised. Handbook, > online tutorials all recommend at least 1G for /var ever since the 4.x days. > > I use 5G, but I save logs for a year. I faced the same problem last week while trying to update to 7.1-RC1 on a disk with 197MB /var. Here's how I fixed the problem: # freebsd-update -d /path/to/big/path/directory/ upgrade -r 7.1-RC1 # freebsd-update -d /path/to/big/path/directory/ install Simply use freebsd-update's -d option. man freebsd-update for more info. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 22:23:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872D91065675 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from thenetnow.com (constellation.thenetnow.com [65.39.193.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CE88FC08 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from hpeel.ody.ca ([216.240.12.2] helo=GRANTPC) by constellation.thenetnow.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LD4nH-000BCf-AI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:23:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Grant Peel" To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:22:55 -0500 Organization: The Net Now Internet Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: PHP and PHP-Extensions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Grant Peel List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:23:04 -0000 Hi all, I have a somewhat broken installation of php 4.4.7 and the extensions = and want to completely remove them and reinstall them. How does one conpletely remove php4 (from ports) and the extensions to = ensure a clean install? -Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 22:25:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34B11065687 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:25:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80F888FC1C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:25:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 4976 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Dec 2008 22:25:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:25:23 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081217222523.GA4956@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> <49491705.5060108@pixelhammer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49491705.5060108@pixelhammer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Publishing information via DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:25:03 -0000 DAve(dave.list@pixelhammer.com)@2008.12.17 10:13:09 -0500: > Kelly Jones wrote: >> Has anyone tried publishing non-DNS information via DNS? Advantages: >> >> % Automatic distributed caching on various nameservers. >> >> % UDP, so no TCP overhead >> >> I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version >> number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? >> > > Someone needs to invent and promote a TextualDatagramPublicationProtocol > or TDPP because DNS has been abused for publishing non DNS data for too > long. Continuing to use DNS for things it was never intended to do will Like we need another protocol. The security issues with DNS are mostly BIND-related, it's BIND's fault. If you want to publish a large hierarchical directory database, then there's LDAP. Protocol adoption is an issue. LDAP is very slowly becoming more and more popular. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 22:54:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF541065673 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:54:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C47E8FC1B for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:54:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBHMsfUw064999; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:54:42 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBHMsfUw064999 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229554482; bh=cpA+42dGerVo8p S8BvkTRdV9P3rwCigQKf38EfOrk7U=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<4949832B.80703@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Wed,=201 7=20Dec=202008=2022:54:35=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User-A gent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081125)|MIME-Version:=201.0 |To:=20Grant=20Peel=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions @freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20PHP=20and=20PHP-Extensions|References :=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6| Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A= 20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"--- ---------enigB1E6549DBB01559024CFF0B5"; b=U65ELcsEkR/Twgzw/x/0qm69D R5Lm1yeJab5VakJTsJ02WAFPaOpQaxYSzfTvSH3DK729dQGtpFdbmZSq4H4ylinMnwX 7XRIQZNqDKPyHRaMf883zK9okbp4+jq9Q4GKGI4pzX4M8V6S9QM5h/9DnaCWHDhvB20 W0DSdRwimywI= Message-ID: <4949832B.80703@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:54:35 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grant Peel References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB1E6549DBB01559024CFF0B5" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:54:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8777/Wed Dec 17 17:36:59 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PHP and PHP-Extensions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:54:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB1E6549DBB01559024CFF0B5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Grant Peel wrote: > I have a somewhat broken installation of php 4.4.7 and the extensions > and want to completely remove them and reinstall them. >=20 > How does one conpletely remove php4 (from ports) and the extensions > to ensure a clean install? Make sure you have good backups. Also make sure you have a handy list of= all the ports you started with: # pkg_info -Ia > /root/initial.ports Now, delete the lang/php4 port and everything that depends on it. The easiest way to do this is with the pkg_deinstall program which is part of portupgrade(1): # pkg_deinstall -dfr php4=20 'php4' is actually a packagename glob, so this will delete any package mentioning 'php4' in its name, plus every thing depending on those ports.= So it will delete pure PECL or PEAR code modules and end user application= s as well. Then regenerate the list of ports you've got installed and diff it against the initial list as a sanity check: # pkg_info -Ia > /root/final.ports # diff -u initial.ports final.ports That should be pretty much it. If you've stripped out everything PHP related then /usr/local/lib/php/ and /usr/local/share/pear/ should be empty or gone completely, and there should be no ports left with 'php', 'pear' or 'pecl' prominently in their names. Nor should you have 'eaccelerator' or 'zend' related stuff still there. You'll still have some PHP related files in /usr/local/etc/ which you can delete or not as required -- they all have php in the name or directory path making them quite easy to identify. Note however that if you're intending to upgrade to PHP5 then you must delete /usr/local/etc/php.conf first, as that's the file that tells bsd.php.mk which version of PHP you're using. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigB1E6549DBB01559024CFF0B5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAklJgzEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzQRgCfTgPTfRhU2BReAM0E85shABlJ 8mkAn0T1SO3kEXFOvqOTn/7r26bBVfP9 =867i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB1E6549DBB01559024CFF0B5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 22:55:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0E71065697 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:55:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662F28FC43 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:55:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB87D16C018D; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:55:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBHMtMTZ030516; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:55:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:55:22 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Grant Peel Message-Id: <20081217235522.e6c61e48.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PHP and PHP-Extensions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:55:29 -0000 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:22:55 -0500, "Grant Peel" wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a somewhat broken installation of php 4.4.7 and the > extensions and want to completely remove them and reinstall them. > > How does one conpletely remove php4 (from ports) and the > extensions to ensure a clean install? One way would be to chenge into the ports directory and do a "make deinstall" for PHP and the extensions. Another way would be to run "pkg_delete /var/db/pkg/" on PHP and its extensions. Both ways should inform you about files that the deletion process would not delete, so you can delete them manually afterwards. Then there should be no problem doing a clean reinstall. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 00:54:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D95106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978658FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LD7A5-0003h3-0I for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:54:45 -0800 Message-ID: <21065051.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:54:45 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21045861.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081216212015.800ab816.freebsd@edvax.de> <21045861.post@talk.nabble.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:54:46 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > > > ThinkDifferently wrote: >> hptrr: no controller detected. > > It looks like there's a proble with the hptrr driver? Have you > tried loading the "HighPoint RocketRAID device drive" by putting > > hptrr_load="YES" > > into /boot/loader.conf? > > Further information can be obtained by: > > % man hptrr > > Check if your particular controller is supported. > I went back to this, using my USB boot device and edited /boot/loader.conf to have hptrr_load="YES". Still, no joy. Also, I've been able to determine that I don't have a RocketRAID device. That's a separate RAID card, and I simply don't have one. What I have is an onboard NVIDIA NForce Storage Controller. I'm befuddled as to why FreeBSD thinks I have RocketRAID. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21065051.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 00:58:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FED81065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A67D8FC14 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LD7Dx-0003oy-BA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:58:45 -0800 Message-ID: <21065105.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:58:45 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081217153052.ca1258e7.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <21045931.post@talk.nabble.com> <49486B95.70803@ibctech.ca> <21046366.post@talk.nabble.com> <21046636.post@talk.nabble.com> <49487A15.2090103@ibctech.ca> <21047275.post@talk.nabble.com> <21047496.post@talk.nabble.com> <874p13fi2m.fsf@kobe.laptop> <49490A5B.1020807@gmail.com> <21054078.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081217153052.ca1258e7.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:58:46 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:24:17 -0800 (PST), ThinkDifferently > wrote: >> Anyway, what is this atapicam option. How is it implemented, from the >> loader prompt, editing the iso, or what? BTW, how would one edit the >> iso? > > The atapicam facility can either be loaded as a module via > kld_load (or put into /boot/loader.conf as atapicam_load="YES") > or compiled into a custom kernel. > > The effect is that, when atapicam is loaded, ATA(PI) devices > can be accessed as if they were SCSI devices. Your install > devlice would then be /dev/cd0 (instead of /dev/acd0), using > "SCSI commands" to access the ATAPI drive (this is what atapicam > "translates"). > Well, one thing's for sure. This really isn't a CD/DVD boot problem. Booting from USB is no different. I will add regarding my previous post about trying to load the driver using the "Windows method" seems kind of pointless. After reading up on it further, it seems that all it's doing is loading the driver into Windows during the install process. It's not actually effecting the hardware any...but I could be wrong. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21065105.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 02:04:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890821065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:04:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC998FC08 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:04:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so179670anc.13 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:04:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=AYgDD1IQdsaxqFq4iwremKITrFiMIeE5c291htf41nA=; b=KSgeRQC741iS5JOeCpqLmDyT5yhABmfl++YpKKKzfJZK10vWZIgs6FvgDDWeriGuje qo1l+tdxbk+Rk+C8AuyhRirzrSiSN3Bab1pCWReIq2xKvekVoJmdnbbbdr2a7jF+7/qe 4Q5Qg6Ev32yRCRsKfxcvNyumRp2/eaUub2u2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FCvXH3BQ1vVtD/rOWuFPP3aDGFceBGhmz4O638p1zAQSr5kH7Eye7FL9AXvJoZ3vlT EoaotXHivesPKrYnOeiB9dj2zTs1dqrKCEYA3+xDNd6ffMAMl7Vd+Qps0SUTObKMTEBL Lyx7Q95ROGiMmgWXMLDtrv7glK4gBYf/XVgrc= Received: by 10.64.251.17 with SMTP id y17mr1124525qbh.9.1229565855614; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:04:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <26face530812171804m5f16c45i90d2fe07e0861c72@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:04:15 -0700 From: "Kelly Jones" To: "Matthew Seaman" In-Reply-To: <4949345F.9040309@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> <4949345F.9040309@infracaninophile.co.uk> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Publishing information via DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:04:17 -0000 On 12/17/08, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Kelly Jones wrote: >> Has anyone tried publishing non-DNS information via DNS? Advantages: >> >> % Automatic distributed caching on various nameservers. >> >> % UDP, so no TCP overhead >> >> I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version >> number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? >> > > Read all about 'Hesiod' at a search engine near you. No, not the > Greek poet... the other hesiod. Hesiod is interesting, but the Wikipedia article suggests its used for small local networks. I'm thinking of globally DNS-casting data. > Kent, CT11 9PW Does your city change into Metropolis when there's danger? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 02:29:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421F61065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698658FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBI2TTxW003233; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:29:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBI2TSc9003230; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:29:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:29:28 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kelly Jones In-Reply-To: <26face530812171804m5f16c45i90d2fe07e0861c72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081218032914.V3229@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <26face530812170701n4160dba2ve183d8860b6d4a69@mail.gmail.com> <4949345F.9040309@infracaninophile.co.uk> <26face530812171804m5f16c45i90d2fe07e0861c72@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Publishing information via DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:29:37 -0000 > Hesiod is interesting, but the Wikipedia article suggests its used for > small local networks. I'm thinking of globally DNS-casting data. is IS ok to do this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 03:04:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C511065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:04:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0116.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCDA8FC19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AA9A54C279F for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:04:01 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 0b71c55008f11e61, 944facfeb153b4f0, eagletree@hughes.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, RULES_HIT:355:379:541:564:945:966:973:988:989:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1437:1513:1515:1516:1518:1521:1534:1541:1593:1594:1683:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2194:2196:2199:2200:2393:2559:2562:2693:2895:3353:3636:3740:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:4385:5007:6114:7652:7860:7903:8501:8957:9010:9108, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from [192.168.0.3] (dpc6744118153.direcpc.com [67.44.118.153]) (Authenticated sender: eagletree@hughes.net) by omf14.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1163ED2B-058F-426E-850C-E0253BF13645@hughes.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: FreeBSD-Questions Questions From: Chris Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:03:45 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-session-marker: 6561676C6574726565406875676865732E6E6574 Subject: linux_base question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:04:03 -0000 I'm trying to keep all FreeBSD servers in my net as I have since the late 90s. I have a requirement to get a quickbooks enterprise server running so I was going to attempt to use compat_linux. It struck me that if I knew the following list of supported linux implementations, I should be able to figure out the best port to use. So far, it doesn't seem too clear to me. Here are the linux versions supported by the 2 daemons Intuit puts out: CentOS 5 Debian (Lenny) Fedora 6 / 7 / 8 Mandriva OpenSuSE 10.2 / 10.3 Ubuntu 6.06 / 7.04 / 7.10 / 8.0 Here are the components needed. Gamin - 0.1.7.7 or newer or Fam =96 2.7.0 or newer Glibc =96 2.5-3 or newer, or Libc6 =96 2.5-3 or newer Libgcc =96 4.2.1 or newer Libstdc++ - 4.2.1 or newer Which of the linux_base* ports would be best to attempt to run these two daemons. I just updated ports and have the following shown linux_base-f7 linux_base-f8 linux_base-fc4 linux_base-fc6 (and several Gentoo) Freshports shows fc4 as what you need to support a 2.4 kernel and the others as "Ignore"? What little I could figure out suggests at least some of those linux versions above are 2.6 something kernels. I guessed f8 but then found threads saying it was experimental. I'm just not getting it. Is there an easy answer or will this be a trial and error? I don't know a thing about Linux and never thought I'd have to.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 03:22:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFD91065694 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spry@anarchy.in.the.ph) Received: from mail-bw0-f19.google.com (mail-bw0-f19.google.com [209.85.218.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CD08FC21 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spry@anarchy.in.the.ph) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so607622bwz.19 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.60.14 with SMTP id n14mr484139bkk.79.1229569213963; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.9.14 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:00:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:00:13 +0800 From: "Mars G Miro" To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr In-Reply-To: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> Cc: freebsd-jail@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:22:47 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm trying to install a nagios server in a jail. > > I've a problem with check_ping. > > [root@]# /usr/local/libexec/nagios/check_ping -H some_host -w 3000.0,80% = -c 5000.0,100% -p 5 > CRITICAL - You need more args!!! > Could not open pipe: > > So I think it's become the =ABping problem=BB. So I put > > sysctl -w security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=3D1 > > in the host-jail-server. > > In the jail I can make a ping but the nagios check_ping don't work. > > Anyone have succefully install a nagios server in a jail ? > I have. I recall having the same problem w/ an older version of nagios. But the recent versions should work fine. I'm using -devel tho. > Regards. > -- > Albert SHIH > SIO batiment 15 > Observatoire de Paris Meudon > 5 Place Jules Janssen > 92195 Meudon Cedex > T=E9l=E9phone : 01 45 07 76 26 > Heure local/Local time: > Mer 17 d=E9c 2008 22:02:55 CET > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-jail@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-jail > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-jail-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 cheers mars From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 05:06:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23271106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:06:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp) Received: from imx9.toshiba.co.jp (imx9.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9878FC14 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp) Received: from imx12.toshiba.co.jp (imx12 [61.202.160.132]) by imx9.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id mBI4tVJq027962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:55:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from arc11.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.90.127]) by imx12.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id mBI4tSPC002197 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:55:28 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by arc11.toshiba.co.jp id mBI4tSDa007404 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:55:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp11.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.90.148] by arc11.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id PAA07402; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:55:28 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp11.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id mBI4tRqs003502 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:55:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by toshiba.co.jp id mBI4tQwW024907; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:55:27 +0900 (JST) To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-Id: <200812180455.mBI4tQwW024907@toshiba.co.jp> From: kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:55:28 +0900 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tsbnmr3/toshiba(5011HF327 | November 17, 2003) at 2008/12/18 01:51:09 PM, Serialize complete at 2008/12/18 01:51:09 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Is FreeBSD subject to the EAR ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:06:04 -0000 Is Free BSD 6.3-release subject to the U.S. Export Administration Regulation ? If the FreeBSD 6.3-release includes encryption software, it may be subject to the EAR. Following is extract part of the EAR. Part 734.3 : Items subject to the EAR (b) The following items are not subject to the EAR: $B!&(B $B!&(B (3) Publicly available technology and software, except software controlled for "EI" reasons under ECCN 5D002 on the Commerce Control List and mass market encryption software with symmetric key length exceeding 64-bits controlled under ECCN 5D992, that: Best regards, K.Okisaka Exprt Control Department, Toshiba Medical Systems Corporation e-mail : kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 07:06:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC5E1065673; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FCF8FC1E; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:06:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BC9AFBC02; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:06:02 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, KES Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:05:35 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812180805.36858.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: David Weintraub , questions@freebsd.org, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:06:06 -0000 On Wednesday 17 December 2008 21:02:07 KES wrote: > =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Mel. > > =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 17 =E4=E5=EA=E0=E1=F0=FF 2008 =E3., 9:11:19: > > M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: > >> =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Polytropon. > >> > >> =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 14 =E4=E5=EA=E0=E1=F0=FF 2008 =E3., 15:11:35: > >> > >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar > >> > >> P> wrote: > >> >> > su: Sorry > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash > >> >> > kes# pw user show svn > >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash > >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > >> >> > Starting svnserve. > >> >> > su: Sorry > >> >> > >> >> try to change directory to existent > >> > >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. > >> > >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. > >> > >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. > >> > >> home# uname -a > >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 > >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 > >> i386 home# pw user show svn > >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin > >> > >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it > >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group > >> > >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve > >> does not work on > >> kes# uname -a > >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 > >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 =20 > >> kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 > > M> echo 'rc_debug=3D"YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf > M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > > M> Show output from /var/log/messages. > > kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to > YES. Starting svnserve. > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c '= sh > -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3D3690 --foreground -r > /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry Does this command work from the command line? If not, does it work if called as su -fm rather then su -m? If that does not work, does the primary group svn is supposed to be in exis= t? =2D-=20 Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 07:06:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC5E1065673; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FCF8FC1E; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:06:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BC9AFBC02; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:06:02 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, KES Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:05:35 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812180805.36858.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: David Weintraub , questions@freebsd.org, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:06:06 -0000 On Wednesday 17 December 2008 21:02:07 KES wrote: > =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Mel. > > =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 17 =E4=E5=EA=E0=E1=F0=FF 2008 =E3., 9:11:19: > > M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: > >> =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Polytropon. > >> > >> =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 14 =E4=E5=EA=E0=E1=F0=FF 2008 =E3., 15:11:35: > >> > >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar > >> > >> P> wrote: > >> >> > su: Sorry > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash > >> >> > kes# pw user show svn > >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash > >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > >> >> > Starting svnserve. > >> >> > su: Sorry > >> >> > >> >> try to change directory to existent > >> > >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. > >> > >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. > >> > >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. > >> > >> home# uname -a > >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 > >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 > >> i386 home# pw user show svn > >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin > >> > >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it > >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group > >> > >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve > >> does not work on > >> kes# uname -a > >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 > >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 =20 > >> kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 > > M> echo 'rc_debug=3D"YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf > M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > > M> Show output from /var/log/messages. > > kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to > YES. Starting svnserve. > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c '= sh > -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3D3690 --foreground -r > /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry Does this command work from the command line? If not, does it work if called as su -fm rather then su -m? If that does not work, does the primary group svn is supposed to be in exis= t? =2D-=20 Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 07:17:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BA5106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B4A8FC1A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:17:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BF1AFBC02; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:17:41 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:17:39 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <000501c95f8b$9edb12e0$dc9138a0$@com> <005701c96050$0bf33c30$23d9b490$@com> <200812171708.43310.ottk@zzz.ee> In-Reply-To: <200812171708.43310.ottk@zzz.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812180817.39819.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Ott =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6stner?= Subject: Re: PHP5 as apache module using packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:17:43 -0000 On Wednesday 17 December 2008 16:08:43 Ott K=F6stner wrote: > Nothing special needed. Just a regular Apache, MySQL, and PHP. 5...10 > minute install from FreBSD ports. > > Port: elgg-0.9.1 > Path: /usr/ports/www/elgg > Info: Blogging and social networking platform > > make > make install > > create database and it starts like any other PHP/SQL application... And thus, can run as php-cgi. There are performance and configuration=20 management reasons to use the module, but these come more into play with ma= ss=20 virtual hosting, rather then a dedicated server for one web app. =2D-=20 Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 07:26:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94B0106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B9D8FC19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA111AFBC02; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:26:51 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:26:49 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <4947B8AB.7000304@dugas-family.org> <200812170947.12794.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4948D650.8040603@dugas-family.org> In-Reply-To: <4948D650.8040603@dugas-family.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812180826.49948.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Bernard Dugas Subject: Re: Extracting changed files list from snapshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:26:52 -0000 On Wednesday 17 December 2008 11:37:04 Bernard Dugas wrote: > Mel wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 December 2008 15:18:19 Bernard Dugas wrote: > >>I want to extract the list of files changed between 2 snapshots, to be > >>able to do efficient backups. > > And what snapshots do you mean? As in mksnap_ffs? Cause that's described > > in /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_snapshot.c: > > 127 TAILQ_HEAD(snaphead, inode); > > 128 > > 129 struct snapdata { > > 130 struct snaphead sn_head; > > 131 daddr_t sn_listsize; > > 132 daddr_t *sn_blklist; > > 133 struct lock sn_lock; > > 134 }; > > 135 > > > > and not exposed to userland. > > Thanks, this is a good hint ! Just needing some doc and help to > understand how to use it : i'm more in design now, programmation skills > are far away :-( I'm still wondering if you're not better off with ZFS, but this does seem like a useful app in it's own right. The TAILQ_HEAD statement means it's creating a tail queue(3) (double linked fifo/stack) of inodes. The snapdata structure contains the start of the list, the size and a lock. The sn_blklist pointer, I will have to look up. I think i'm gonna have fun with this for a bit ;) -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:00:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547741065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062348FC13 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D13DAFBC02; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:00:10 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:00:07 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <4d7dd86f0812150956i3a8d130ak8a4ca462896cd3ff@mail.gmail.com> <200812171015.07390.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4d7dd86f0812170240n28ab5db9qf2816e2d4beefc3d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d7dd86f0812170240n28ab5db9qf2816e2d4beefc3d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812180900.08295.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: David N Subject: Re: Running rsnapshot via cron reboots the machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:00:12 -0000 On Wednesday 17 December 2008 11:40:00 David N wrote: > 2008/12/17 Mel : > > On Monday 15 December 2008 18:56:46 David N wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I have a machine > >> AMD Sepron LE-1150 > >> ASUS M2A-VM > >> 1GB RAM ECC > >> 2x SATA 300GB > >> > >> in a RAID 1 (gmirror). > >> 7.0-RELEASE-p2 AMD64 generic kernel > >> > >> it was doing backups via bacula to an external disk > >> USB 2.0 SATA disk, and it was working well. (GLabel) /dev/ufs/BackupDisk > >> > >> I changed to rsnapshot recently, with the External HDD in glabel + > >> gjournal (/dev/da0s1.journal -> /dev/ufs/BackupDisk) and it will > >> reboot the machine roughly 30 minutes after the rsnapshot starts via > >> CRON. > > > > Able to get any crash dumps? [1] I doubt it calls reboot system call > > after 30 minutes and if it's a heating issue, then it would power down > > not reboot. So, kernel is probably panicing. > > > > [1] > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kern > >eldebug.html > > > > -- > > Mel > > > > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules > > and never get to the software part. > > I found something in the vmcore.0 > > panic: Journal overflow (joffset=499758276096 active=498475869184 > inactive=499755984896) > cpuid = 0 > Uptime: 16h7m11s > > I tried kgdb on on the vmcore but it didn't work, I had -p2 installed, > but compiled p6 so it might of overwrittin things in /usr/obj > > [GDB will not be able to debug user-mode threads: > /usr/lib/libthread_db.so: Undefined symbol "ps_pglobal_lookup"] > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you > are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain > conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. > This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd". > Cannot access memory at address 0x0 > > > The journal was set to 2GB on the 400GB USB attached disk. (/dev/da0) > > I just formatted the disk without gjournal and see how that goes. I > guess i can't use gjournal over USB? I have gjournal running on > another server (gmirror + gjournal) and i thrash it pretty hard > without any problems. It should not panic, but a journal overflow is more likely with USB, cause of the lower write speed (the journal fills faster then it's being emptied). Your best bet is to reproduce the panic using the sources that match the kernel and file a PR and/or post to freebsd-fs list to find out if there are people with similar problems/usage cases. It could be a tunable that you missed or that it's a known issue. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:04:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AAD1065675; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:03:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3688FC1A; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:03:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp13.yandex.ru (smtp13.yandex.ru [77.88.32.83]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id A2B7D4C56DF; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:03:57 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 200-203-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net ([91.124.203.200]:18948 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S5980286AbYLRIDu (ORCPT + 4 others); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:03:50 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp13 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229587430 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 13 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp13.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:03:54 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <869279445.20081218100354@yandex.ru> To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200812180805.36858.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> <200812180805.36858.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: David Weintraub , questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:04:00 -0000 , Mel. 18 2008 ., 9:05:35: M> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 21:02:07 KES wrote: >> , Mel. >> >> 17 2008 ., 9:11:19: >> >> M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >> >> , Polytropon. >> >> >> >> 14 2008 ., 15:11:35: >> >> >> >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >> >> >> >> P> wrote: >> >> >> > su: Sorry >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >> >> >> > kes# pw user show svn >> >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> >> >> > Starting svnserve. >> >> >> > su: Sorry >> >> >> >> >> >> try to change directory to existent >> >> >> >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >> >> >> >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >> >> >> >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >> >> >> >> home# uname -a >> >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 >> >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >> >> i386 home# pw user show svn >> >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >> >> >> >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it >> >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group >> >> >> >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >> >> does not work on >> >> kes# uname -a >> >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 >> >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 >> >> kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 >> >> M> echo 'rc_debug="YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf >> M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> >> M> Show output from /var/log/messages. >> >> kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to >> YES. Starting svnserve. >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c 'sh >> -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r >> /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry M> Does this command work from the command line? M> If not, does it work if called as su -fm rather then su -m? M> If that does not work, does the primary group svn is supposed to be in exist? kes# su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry kes# su -fm svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry kes# pw group show svn svn:*:1005: kes# cat /etc/group | grep svn svn:*:1005: kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash As you see it does not work also with -fm option Also I notice next differences between FreeBDS 7.0 and 7.1 (detail below) Notice that on both system account is locked, has no valid shell and home directory on FreeBSD 7.0 when I try to login with svn user it says: This account is currently not available. on FreeBSD 7.1 when I try to login with svn user it says: su: Sorry Maybe there is a problem with su on FreeBSD 7.1? home# pw user show svn svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin home# su svn This account is currently not available. kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash kes# su svn su: Sorry kes# pw user mod svn -s /usr/bin/nologin kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/bin/nologin kes# su svn su: Sorry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:04:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AAD1065675; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:03:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3688FC1A; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:03:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp13.yandex.ru (smtp13.yandex.ru [77.88.32.83]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id A2B7D4C56DF; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:03:57 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 200-203-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net ([91.124.203.200]:18948 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S5980286AbYLRIDu (ORCPT + 4 others); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:03:50 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp13 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229587430 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 13 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp13.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:03:54 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <869279445.20081218100354@yandex.ru> To: Mel In-Reply-To: <200812180805.36858.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> <200812180805.36858.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: David Weintraub , questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:04:00 -0000 , Mel. 18 2008 ., 9:05:35: M> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 21:02:07 KES wrote: >> , Mel. >> >> 17 2008 ., 9:11:19: >> >> M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >> >> , Polytropon. >> >> >> >> 14 2008 ., 15:11:35: >> >> >> >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >> >> >> >> P> wrote: >> >> >> > su: Sorry >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >> >> >> > kes# pw user show svn >> >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> >> >> > Starting svnserve. >> >> >> > su: Sorry >> >> >> >> >> >> try to change directory to existent >> >> >> >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >> >> >> >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >> >> >> >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >> >> >> >> home# uname -a >> >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 >> >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >> >> i386 home# pw user show svn >> >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >> >> >> >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it >> >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group >> >> >> >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >> >> does not work on >> >> kes# uname -a >> >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 >> >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 >> >> kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 >> >> M> echo 'rc_debug="YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf >> M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> >> M> Show output from /var/log/messages. >> >> kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to >> YES. Starting svnserve. >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c 'sh >> -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r >> /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry M> Does this command work from the command line? M> If not, does it work if called as su -fm rather then su -m? M> If that does not work, does the primary group svn is supposed to be in exist? kes# su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry kes# su -fm svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry kes# pw group show svn svn:*:1005: kes# cat /etc/group | grep svn svn:*:1005: kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash As you see it does not work also with -fm option Also I notice next differences between FreeBDS 7.0 and 7.1 (detail below) Notice that on both system account is locked, has no valid shell and home directory on FreeBSD 7.0 when I try to login with svn user it says: This account is currently not available. on FreeBSD 7.1 when I try to login with svn user it says: su: Sorry Maybe there is a problem with su on FreeBSD 7.1? home# pw user show svn svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin home# su svn This account is currently not available. kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash kes# su svn su: Sorry kes# pw user mod svn -s /usr/bin/nologin kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/bin/nologin kes# su svn su: Sorry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:07:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587A0106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2523F8FC1A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net) Received: from localhost (mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.101]) by mail.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344DCAFBC02; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:07:40 -0900 (AKST) From: Mel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:07:38 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1163ED2B-058F-426E-850C-E0253BF13645@hughes.net> In-Reply-To: <1163ED2B-058F-426E-850C-E0253BF13645@hughes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812180907.38715.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Cc: Chris Subject: Re: linux_base question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:07:41 -0000 On Thursday 18 December 2008 04:03:45 Chris wrote: > I'm trying to keep all FreeBSD servers in my net as I have since the > late 90s. I have a requirement to get a quickbooks enterprise server > running so I was going to attempt to use compat_linux. > > It struck me that if I knew the following list of supported linux > implementations, I should be able to figure out the best port > to use. So far, it doesn't seem too clear to me. Here are the > linux versions supported by the 2 daemons Intuit puts out: > > CentOS 5 > Debian (Lenny) > Fedora 6 / 7 / 8 > Mandriva > OpenSuSE 10.2 / 10.3 > Ubuntu 6.06 / 7.04 / 7.10 / 8.0 > > Here are the components needed. > > Gamin - 0.1.7.7 or newer or Fam =96 2.7.0 or newer > Glibc =96 2.5-3 or newer, or Libc6 =96 2.5-3 or newer > Libgcc =96 4.2.1 or newer > Libstdc++ - 4.2.1 or newer > > Which of the linux_base* ports would be best to > attempt to run these two daemons. > > I just updated ports and have the following shown > linux_base-f7 > linux_base-f8 > linux_base-fc4 > linux_base-fc6 > (and several Gentoo) On 6.x, use fc4. On 7.x use fc6 and set compat.linux.os_release to 2.6.16 (which will be the= =20 default for 7.x branch starting 7.1 as far as I know). You can use others, but these have the widest coverage in production system= s=20 and testing by the emulation team. =2D-=20 Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:19:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA90106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAC68FC1B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp5.yandex.ru (smtp5.yandex.ru [77.88.32.24]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id D88504C5760; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:18:59 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 200-203-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net ([91.124.203.200]:36356 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S6144111AbYLRISz (ORCPT + 1 other); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:18:55 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp5 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229588335 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 15 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp5.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:19:00 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1577039925.20081218101900@yandex.ru> To: archie@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: BUG can not add address to interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:19:01 -0000 , Archie. mpd5.conf has: set link max-redial 0 mpd5 does not try to redial if connection is successfull but interface adress change is fail: 8 02:50:14 kes mpd: [UKR_B4] IPCP: LayerUp 8 02:50:14 kes mpd: [UKR_B4] 92.113.72.242 -> 195.5.5.203 8 02:50:14 kes mpd: [UKR_B4] IFACE: Connecting NAT 8 02:50:14 kes mpd: [UKR_B4] IFACE: Add address 92.113.72.242/32->195.5.5.203 to ng1 8 02:50:14 kes mpd: [UKR_B4] system: /usr/local/etc/mpd5/adsl1.up ng1 inet 92.113.72.242/32 195.5.5.203 '-' 8 02:50:14 kes mpd: [UKR_B4] IFACE: Up event 8 02:50:14 kes mpd: [UKR_B4] IFACE: Change interface flags: -0 +1 8 03:49:29 kes mpd: [UKR_B3] IFACE: Add address 92.113.89.194/32->195.5.5.203 to ng0 8 03:49:29 kes mpd: [UKR_B3] IFACE: Adding IPv4 address to ng0 failed: File exists 8 03:49:29 kes mpd: [UKR_B3] IFACE: IfaceChangeAddr() error, closing IPCP 8 03:49:29 kes mpd: [UKR_B3] IPCP: parameter negotiation failed 8 03:49:29 kes mpd: [UKR_B3] IPCP: state change Opened --> Stopping 8 03:49:29 kes mpd: [UKR_B3] IPCP: SendTerminateReq #16 8 03:49:29 kes mpd: [UKR_B3] IPCP: LayerDown 8 03:49:29 kes mpd: [UKR_B3] IFACE: Remove address 92.113.89.194/32->195.5.5.203 from ng0 8 03:49:29 kes mpd: [UKR_B3] IFACE: Removing IPv4 address from ng0 failed: Can't assign requested address 8 03:49:29 kes mpd: [UKR_B3] IPCP: rec'd Terminate Ack #16 (Stopping) I have two ADSL connection to my provider. For both connections I have same gateway. How to establish two ADSL connections with same gateway? -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:41:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9716F106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oxy@field.hu) Received: from green.field.hu (green.field.hu [217.20.130.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3138FC28 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oxy@field.hu) Received: from localhost (green.field.hu [217.20.130.28]) by green.field.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6316CB2451 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:23:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-new (Spamassassin+Razor2+Pyzor+DCC+Bayes db, Clamd Antivirus) at field.hu Received: from green.field.hu ([217.20.130.28]) by localhost (green.field.hu [217.20.130.28]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bj6K3adaNfj8 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:23:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (catv5403BE91.pool.t-online.hu [84.3.190.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by green.field.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4A7DBB2407 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:23:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <494A085D.5060304@field.hu> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:22:53 +0100 From: oxy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd general questions References: <494988B6.4060600@field.hu> <49498DEA.6090805@quis.cx> In-Reply-To: <49498DEA.6090805@quis.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: missing mount_devfs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:41:00 -0000 thank you and sorry for posting the wrong list first time. Jille Timmermans rta: > # alias mount_devfs="mount -t devfs" > > (human: try mount -t devfs instead of mount_devfs) > > -- Jille > (I think freebsd-questions is the appropriate list for this) > > oxy schreef: > >> hi! >> >> I installed 7.0-RELEASE/amd64 and tried to create a jail with jailctl. >> after a couple errors i noticed that mount_devfs is missing! >> is there any other way to create devfs in order to make jails? >> thank you! >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:45:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1147D1065674 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com (smtp11.ispronet.com [81.28.196.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2DB8FC2C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernard@dugas-family.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025DAB855; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:45:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp11.ispronet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp11.ispronet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 69652-02; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:44:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.59] (unknown [81.28.194.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp11.ispronet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:44:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <494A0DFE.2000501@dugas-family.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:46:54 +0100 From: Bernard Dugas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; fr-FR; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel References: <4947B8AB.7000304@dugas-family.org> <200812170947.12794.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4948D650.8040603@dugas-family.org> <200812180826.49948.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200812180826.49948.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ispronet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extracting changed files list from snapshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:45:06 -0000 Mel wrote: > I'm still wondering if you're not better off with ZFS, but this does seem like > a useful app in it's own right. ZFS is not handling replication on remote servers very well currently, and they don't seem to care about this from the reactions i had on some forums. And i would not use ZFS for production system on FreeBSD now. FFS snapshots are stable in production, and adding a reading function on snapshot structures will not change stability :-) > The TAILQ_HEAD statement means it's creating a tail queue(3) (double linked > fifo/stack) of inodes. The snapdata structure contains the start of the list, > the size and a lock. The sn_blklist pointer, I will have to look up. > > I think i'm gonna have fun with this for a bit ;) This is christmas gift. But for who :-? Thanks a lot ! -- Bernard DUGAS Mobile +33 615 333 770 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 09:14:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344DE1065676 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:14:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f18.google.com (mail-qy0-f18.google.com [209.85.221.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29198FC1D for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:14:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so399576qyk.19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:14:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5Yegsg46haoH/znXELF3oiFqbz+6xbIx5S6jhoUKyHQ=; b=aV0eRpNWWGvJjH/CiWzXT45vE6bf4hnd9SUGTddvW/BBNkPRPMDNRyxzMDeO9+r0WX zMgnyeqM6nV4VYvNDJJDBLCK4ujYPtNKpcfwoqPXiIQIkygM45dStEYYA3JxRrVK7szo Vo+0c3QeJsbgfgs1u8B0Otoco8T1bTruPg/mM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HEx3hzFmfM7T4VJPnjX3/e0B6vn7S8WK6VZb85hiUYXAGPDhe6diTMP9a1+bc7zLzm M/cqT7agsFjl4/ZiqpKJ6tcIFTmTXInvBBqRSrb3s5I8sPFPWFJSosg8Q7wVavJfduPJ HTXpqjmMCYWOXqbcwS+mYblhH+53bT579huPU= Received: by 10.214.147.11 with SMTP id u11mr2101843qad.131.1229591685176; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.150.7 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:14:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d7dd86f0812180114u1c2935an45f7cb8b112cf0cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:14:45 +1100 From: "David N" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200812180900.08295.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4d7dd86f0812150956i3a8d130ak8a4ca462896cd3ff@mail.gmail.com> <200812171015.07390.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <4d7dd86f0812170240n28ab5db9qf2816e2d4beefc3d@mail.gmail.com> <200812180900.08295.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Subject: Re: Running rsnapshot via cron reboots the machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:14:46 -0000 2008/12/18 Mel : > On Wednesday 17 December 2008 11:40:00 David N wrote: >> 2008/12/17 Mel : >> > On Monday 15 December 2008 18:56:46 David N wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I have a machine >> >> AMD Sepron LE-1150 >> >> ASUS M2A-VM >> >> 1GB RAM ECC >> >> 2x SATA 300GB >> >> >> >> in a RAID 1 (gmirror). >> >> 7.0-RELEASE-p2 AMD64 generic kernel >> >> >> >> it was doing backups via bacula to an external disk >> >> USB 2.0 SATA disk, and it was working well. (GLabel) /dev/ufs/BackupDisk >> >> >> >> I changed to rsnapshot recently, with the External HDD in glabel + >> >> gjournal (/dev/da0s1.journal -> /dev/ufs/BackupDisk) and it will >> >> reboot the machine roughly 30 minutes after the rsnapshot starts via >> >> CRON. >> > >> > Able to get any crash dumps? [1] I doubt it calls reboot system call >> > after 30 minutes and if it's a heating issue, then it would power down >> > not reboot. So, kernel is probably panicing. >> > >> > [1] >> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kern >> >eldebug.html >> > >> > -- >> > Mel >> > >> > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules >> > and never get to the software part. >> >> I found something in the vmcore.0 >> >> panic: Journal overflow (joffset=499758276096 active=498475869184 >> inactive=499755984896) >> cpuid = 0 >> Uptime: 16h7m11s >> >> I tried kgdb on on the vmcore but it didn't work, I had -p2 installed, >> but compiled p6 so it might of overwrittin things in /usr/obj >> >> [GDB will not be able to debug user-mode threads: >> /usr/lib/libthread_db.so: Undefined symbol "ps_pglobal_lookup"] >> GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] >> Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. >> GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you >> are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain >> conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. >> There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. >> This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd". >> Cannot access memory at address 0x0 >> >> >> The journal was set to 2GB on the 400GB USB attached disk. (/dev/da0) >> >> I just formatted the disk without gjournal and see how that goes. I >> guess i can't use gjournal over USB? I have gjournal running on >> another server (gmirror + gjournal) and i thrash it pretty hard >> without any problems. > > It should not panic, but a journal overflow is more likely with USB, cause of > the lower write speed (the journal fills faster then it's being emptied). > Your best bet is to reproduce the panic using the sources that match the > kernel and file a PR and/or post to freebsd-fs list to find out if there are > people with similar problems/usage cases. It could be a tunable that you > missed or that it's a known issue. > > -- > Mel > > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules > and never get to the software part. > There are people with similar problems already reported. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=127420 I tried the tunables kern.geom.journal.force_switch=50 kern.geom.journal.cache.switch=75 which made it crash even faster, in a few minutes and even corrupted the journal. I would test it out more, but its a production server which needs to be up and running. At the moment its just UFS+glabel, I'll try again when 7.1 comes out. Thank you for your help. Regards David N From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 10:08:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095B21065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:08:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EF58FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBIA8itP002831 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:08:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id mBIA8iLS002828 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:08:44 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:08:44 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be To: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: portsnap and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:08:47 -0000 If one installed a fresh FREEBSD-7.0-RELEASE on a new computer, with 'yes' to installing the Ports Collection during sysinstall, and opts for portsnap as the tool to keep /usr/ports updated in the future, and opts for portupgrade to upgrade ports then, what is the correct procedure to do after FreeBSD is installed and up and running, and installing and updating particular ports in the following years... This is what I collected from the FreeBSD handbook, but am not sure if everything is OK. Please verify and adapt and tell why some things are wrong and why your corrections are the right thing to do.. I'm trying to make a text for future reference ... ( After install of FreeBSD, /var/db/portsnap is still empty, so I get compressed snapshot of the Ports collection ) # portsnap fetch ( decompress to /usr/ports ) # portsnap extract ( it is not clear to me if this is correct if one already has a /usr/ports created during sysinstall .. ) In root /etc/crontab, shedule daily updates of /var/db/portsnap : 0 3 * * * root /usr/sbin/portsnap cron - For a first install + subsequent updates of a port ( e.g. port ghostview (gv) in /usr/ports/print/gv ) a. To install gv for the very first time: # cd /usr/ports/print/gv # make install clean # pkg_info | grep -i gv (to see its version number) b. For every future upgrade of gv (using portupgrade): b.1. ( update ports collection ) # portsnap update b.2. check http://vuxml.freebsd.org/ for possible security issues related to gv b.3. check if gv needs updating # pkg_version -v | grep -i gv (let's suppose it does: u.v.w. greater than x.y.z.) gv-x.y.z < needs updating (port has gv-u.v.w) b.4. check /usr/ports/UPDATING for issues related to gv and follow instructions if any b.5. do the port upgrade # portupgrade -R gv b.6. install the updated version of ghostview # cd /usr/ports/print/gv # make install clean b.7. check you have the newer version of gv now # pkg_info | grep -i gv From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 10:46:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC351065670; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from fl.us.spammertrap.net (fl.us.spammertrap.net [204.89.241.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804588FC28; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96573E607B; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:46:20 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=secnap.net; h= content-type:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :user-agent:from:date:message-id:received:received: x-virus-scanned; s=dkim; t=1229597179; bh=RNaGJIrYsKPVB0F+WGcVH+ 5vyYMAdEN1UOSDvfhWx04=; b=gmTjAP6uUGLy46ggjJSHqdlDwybAdsOwhmS++1 tJuaI2t/J+GbG02IkszuSd2H/YeDyVcz5c7kKXRdXi0vj4Y8/9XKtMZiMUD/TXzB znEqYq4cIAnlvKr0Y3921wUWD+ypERaPU/xbT+CMxTjBaOGHlcwLPz8oJ5Egk6qc svvgg= X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) - fl.us.spammertrap.net X-Virus-Scanned: SpammerTrap(r) SME-150 1.89 at fl.us.spammertrap.net Received: from secnap3.secnap.com (secnap3.secnap.com [204.89.241.130]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8048E6065; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 21.sub-70-222-163.myvzw.com ([10.80.0.4]) by secnap3.secnap.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:46:20 -0500 Message-ID: <494A29FA.3060101@secnap.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:46:18 -0500 From: Michael Scheidell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" References: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> <20081217212740.I97918@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> In-Reply-To: <20081217212740.I97918@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2008 10:46:20.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCC6D3A0:01C960FD] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Albert Shih , freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:46:21 -0000 Try nagios 3.03. I think they will do the trick. Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Albert Shih wrote: > > Hi, > >> I'm trying to install a nagios server in a jail. >> -- Michael Scheidell, CTO Phone: 561-999-5000, x 1259 > *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Certified SNORT Integrator * King of Spam Filters, SC Magazine 2008 * Information Security Award 2008, Info Security Products Guide * CRN Magazine Top 40 Emerging Security Vendors _________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). For Information please see http://www.secnap.com/products/spammertrap/ _________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 11:06:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F13106564A; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from blade2-ext.obspm.fr (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C3A8FC1A; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by blade2-ext.obspm.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/11/07) with ESMTP id mBIB6A4R023466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:06:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:06:10 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Michael Scheidell Message-ID: <20081218110610.GC1653@obspm.fr> References: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> <20081217212740.I97918@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> <494A29FA.3060101@secnap.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <494A29FA.3060101@secnap.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:06:11 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8779/Thu Dec 18 05:04:16 2008 on blade2-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:06:13 -0000 Le 18/12/2008 05:46:18-0500, Michael Scheidell a crit > Try nagios 3.03. > > I think they will do the trick. I'm using nagios 3.06 ... and it's not working. Thanks for your answer. Regards. JAS -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Tlphone : 01 45 07 76 26 Heure local/Local time: Jeu 18 dc 2008 12:05:40 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 11:10:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D611065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from blade2-ext.obspm.fr (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DB08FC1D for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by blade2-ext.obspm.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/11/07) with ESMTP id mBIBAB1R025318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:10:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:10:11 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218111011.GD1653@obspm.fr> References: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> <20081217212740.I97918@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20081217212740.I97918@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:10:13 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8779/Thu Dec 18 05:04:16 2008 on blade2-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:10:15 -0000 Le 17/12/2008 21:28:12+0000, Bjoern A. Zeeb a crit > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Albert Shih wrote: > > Hi, > > > I'm trying to install a nagios server in a jail. > > > > I've a problem with check_ping. > > > > [root@]# /usr/local/libexec/nagios/check_ping -H some_host -w 3000.0,80% -c 5000.0,100% -p 5 > > CRITICAL - You need more args!!! > > Could not open pipe: > > > > So I think it's become the ping problem. So I put > > > > sysctl -w security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=1 > > > > in the host-jail-server. > > > > In the jail I can make a ping but the nagios check_ping don't work. > > > > Anyone have succefully install a nagios server in a jail ? > > so do you know what check_ping is trying to do? Does it give you an > error message? Anything? Humm...I'm not developper, so I don't exactly known what check-ping does. But I think something like ping.... thanks for you answer. Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Heure local/Local time: Jeu 18 dc 2008 12:06:22 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 11:28:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8EF1065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0234.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F68C8FC1E for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay02.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2481A694ED7C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:28:49 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 9274019b85089589, 944facfeb153b4f0, eagletree@hughes.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, RULES_HIT:355:379:541:564:599:601:945:966:967:973:980:988:989:1042:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1513:1515:1516:1518:1521:1534:1541:1593:1594:1683:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2194:2196:2199:2200:2393:2525:2551:2553:2559:2563:2682:2685:2693:2857:2859:2895:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3354:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4385:4860:5007:6114:7652:7679:7860:7903:8501:8957:9010:9025:9040:9108:9388, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from [192.168.0.3] (dpc6744118153.direcpc.com [67.44.118.153]) (Authenticated sender: eagletree@hughes.net) by omf09.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200812180907.38715.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> References: <1163ED2B-058F-426E-850C-E0253BF13645@hughes.net> <200812180907.38715.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <47F5C45B-8483-459B-B0A6-A125DFC0D008@hughes.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Chris Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:28:36 -0800 To: FreeBSD-Questions Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-session-marker: 6561676C6574726565406875676865732E6E6574 Subject: Re: linux_base question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:28:50 -0000 On Dec 18, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Mel wrote: > On Thursday 18 December 2008 04:03:45 Chris wrote: >> I'm trying to keep all FreeBSD servers in my net as I have since the >> late 90s. I have a requirement to get a quickbooks enterprise server >> running so I was going to attempt to use compat_linux. >> >> It struck me that if I knew the following list of supported linux >> implementations, I should be able to figure out the best port >> to use. So far, it doesn't seem too clear to me. Here are the >> linux versions supported by the 2 daemons Intuit puts out: >> >> CentOS 5 >> Debian (Lenny) >> Fedora 6 / 7 / 8 >> Mandriva >> OpenSuSE 10.2 / 10.3 >> Ubuntu 6.06 / 7.04 / 7.10 / 8.0 >> >> Here are the components needed. >> >> Gamin - 0.1.7.7 or newer or Fam =96 2.7.0 or newer >> Glibc =96 2.5-3 or newer, or Libc6 =96 2.5-3 or newer >> Libgcc =96 4.2.1 or newer >> Libstdc++ - 4.2.1 or newer >> >> Which of the linux_base* ports would be best to >> attempt to run these two daemons. >> >> I just updated ports and have the following shown >> linux_base-f7 >> linux_base-f8 >> linux_base-fc4 >> linux_base-fc6 >> (and several Gentoo) > > On 6.x, use fc4. > On 7.x use fc6 and set compat.linux.os_release to 2.6.16 (which =20 > will be the > default for 7.x branch starting 7.1 as far as I know). > > You can use others, but these have the widest coverage in =20 > production systems > and testing by the emulation team. Great, thanks! Just to make sure, did you mean compat.linux.osrelease without the underscore. Didn't find the other sysctl. > --=20 > Mel > > Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules > and never get to the software part. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-=20 > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 11:41:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F5B1065674; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from fl.us.spammertrap.net (fl.us.spammertrap.net [204.89.241.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A8E8FC14; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574DCE6089; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:41:54 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=secnap.net; h= content-type:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :user-agent:from:date:message-id:received:received: x-virus-scanned; s=dkim; t=1229600513; bh=ggo/488KzOq/JV7vcDeoHF SVLMu4MTKZy4VZGlUB+UA=; b=SwA4T+CXV5dsDxdxZo4Y4Do8V9WLnnb2h572Mt UZt5yHFyEnqFcXZNE5CeUm1NxwarfPKKIEm6J/P32iWO8WYTZEWSWWZi1+uLReKE JkSp338F2rmpKuq32/ZW0AyPkAel60/NgZEGYGK/xQ6eG7jy5qdCTqcumpRWEq0H nBy6Y= X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) - fl.us.spammertrap.net X-Virus-Scanned: SpammerTrap(r) SME-150 1.89 at fl.us.spammertrap.net Received: from secnap3.secnap.com (secnap3.secnap.com [204.89.241.130]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2E9E6065; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 21.sub-70-222-163.myvzw.com ([10.80.0.4]) by secnap3.secnap.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:41:53 -0500 Message-ID: <494A3700.4000300@secnap.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:41:52 -0500 From: Michael Scheidell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr References: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> <20081217212740.I97918@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> <494A29FA.3060101@secnap.net> <20081218110610.GC1653@obspm.fr> In-Reply-To: <20081218110610.GC1653@obspm.fr> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2008 11:41:53.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F686700:01C96105] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:41:55 -0000 Works here (tm). doublecheck these sysctl's: security.jail.socket_unixiproute_only: 1 security.jail.enforce_statfs: 2 security.jail.allow_raw_sockets: 1 Albert Shih wrote: > Le 18/12/2008 05:46:18-0500, Michael Scheidell a crit > >> Try nagios 3.03. >> >> I think they will do the trick. >> > > I'm using nagios 3.06 ... and it's not working. > > Thanks for your answer. > > Regards. > > JAS > -- Michael Scheidell, CTO Phone: 561-999-5000, x 1259 > *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Certified SNORT Integrator * King of Spam Filters, SC Magazine 2008 * Information Security Award 2008, Info Security Products Guide * CRN Magazine Top 40 Emerging Security Vendors _________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:47:03 -0000 might be generic listserver issues, but I noticed that at least on freebsd-jail list, it does NOT strip out dkim/domainkeys signatures. that might not be to bad, but it does 'mung' the headers, so dkim signed email passed through freebsd mailing list server comes back as a forged signature. whoever is working on the listservers can contact me for assistance on it. maybe just a postfix header IGNORE rule would strip it back out. -- Michael Scheidell, CTO Phone: 561-999-5000, x 1259 > *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Certified SNORT Integrator * King of Spam Filters, SC Magazine 2008 * Information Security Award 2008, Info Security Products Guide * CRN Magazine Top 40 Emerging Security Vendors _________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). 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Zeeb" , freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:59:14 -0000 What plugin versions are you running? Im running latest also. pkg_info | grep nagios Albert Shih wrote: > Le 18/12/2008 05:46:18-0500, Michael Scheidell a crit > >> Try nagios 3.03. >> >> I think they will do the trick. >> > > I'm using nagios 3.06 ... and it's not working. > -- Michael Scheidell, CTO Phone: 561-999-5000, x 1259 > *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Certified SNORT Integrator * King of Spam Filters, SC Magazine 2008 * Information Security Award 2008, Info Security Products Guide * CRN Magazine Top 40 Emerging Security Vendors _________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). For Information please see http://www.secnap.com/products/spammertrap/ _________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 12:40:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB801065677 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:40:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842938FC1F for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBICeMsr003207; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:40:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBICeKHt003204; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:40:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:40:20 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp In-Reply-To: <200812180455.mBI4tQwW024907@toshiba.co.jp> Message-ID: <20081218133947.X3203@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200812180455.mBI4tQwW024907@toshiba.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1626729238-836461597-1229604020=:3203" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD subject to the EAR ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:40:32 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1626729238-836461597-1229604020=:3203 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-2022-JP; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > If the FreeBSD 6.3-release includes encryption software, it may be subject > to the EAR. > > Following is extract part of the EAR. > > Part 734.3 : Items subject to the EAR > > (b) The following items are not subject to the EAR: > > > (3) Publicly available technology and software, except software > controlled for > "EI" reasons under ECCN 5D002 on the Commerce Control List and > mass market encryption software with symmetric key length exceeding > 64-bits controlled under ECCN 5D992, that: if it would be a problem just moving FreeBSD repositories out of US will fix the problem --1626729238-836461597-1229604020=:3203-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 12:43:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B66D1065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C28F8FC18 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:43:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id d26so9294eyd.7 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:43:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VxvKKgHhRKJUQrn6dA1DI0L8epQwPekUAj4KYayJ0BA=; b=rRZ2AmBljl4Ka9EkT9QHdpIth4aIF8PDyYZbeHFFHoyAEyegKah65ma6N6DTPfUrbM yiGaimJipNv3cYnIqwVuLY8OuP2YG7azLre/VQge6NHErtiDfHMt7pAfzHm1pRckE5va /5R7iaqdDMZXSRKybqHKmCNQY1tBXVdMvpBQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iJDfXSLuEjjNK/jGzwrOfksAZYanGMxU5kyjoh4+ujaEiUWzYIZquHAXBIVJWgcaIk xDf87GWiIXNreBhiDz/5+WfokhV6EiGRrRSpUhWs2PhG1bDXCkH4C37pyFE6Is6maQ76 zrX6SrizzzZAKE/cc/92Q/9JhayaXoRgiAczg= Received: by 10.210.136.10 with SMTP id j10mr2178724ebd.188.1229604202397; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c25sm18401161ika.14.2008.12.18.04.43.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:43:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:43:18 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218124318.09f16d42@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Pieter Donche Subject: Re: portsnap and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:43:24 -0000 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:08:44 +0100 (CET) Pieter Donche wrote: > ( decompress to /usr/ports ) > # portsnap extract > > ( it is not clear to me if this is correct if one already has > a /usr/ports created during sysinstall .. ) You need the extract so that the tree is exactly matched to the snapshot and the correct metadata is created, it's installing the tree from disk that's not needed. > In root /etc/crontab, shedule daily updates of /var/db/portsnap : > 0 3 * * * root /usr/sbin/portsnap cron > >... > b. For every future upgrade of gv (using portupgrade): > b.1. ( update ports collection ) > # portsnap update > ... > b.5. do the port upgrade > # portupgrade -R gv > > b.6. install the updated version of ghostview > # cd /usr/ports/print/gv > # make install clean You don't need the last step, that's what portupgrade does. For the most part it's better to bring all you ports up-to date if you can, rather than doing it piecemeal. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 12:43:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7B5106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC10B8FC32 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:43:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id E596BFD305 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:43:44 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id E40B2FD2E7; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:43:44 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_50 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from ott.sise (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AA89FD23B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:43:42 +0200 (EET) From: Ott =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6stner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:43:41 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <494A3835.30302@secnap.net> In-Reply-To: <494A3835.30302@secnap.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812181443.41413.ottk@zzz.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee Subject: Re: listserver problems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:43:46 -0000 On Thursday 18 December 2008 1:47:01 pm Michael Scheidell wrote: > might be generic listserver issues, but I noticed that at least on=20 > freebsd-jail list, it does NOT strip out dkim/domainkeys signatures. >=20 > that might not be to bad, but it does 'mung' the headers, so dkim signed= =20 > email passed through freebsd mailing list server comes back as a forged=20 > signature. Probably depends, how and with what software you check it. At least, SpamAs= sassin responds correctly to this signature: X-Spam-Status: No, score=3D-3.5 required=3D5.0 tests=3DBAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CBEFD53A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:48:00 +0200 (EET) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF81916315A; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDEC106571F; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:47:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B19D1065679; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from fl.us.spammertrap.net (fl.us.spammertrap.net [204.89.241.173= ]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338948FC32; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E43E6089; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:47:02 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=3D1; a=3Drsa-sha256; c=3Drelaxed/simple; d=3Dsecnap.net; = h=3D content-type:subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:date :message-id:received:received:x-virus-scanned; s=3Ddkim; t=3D 1229600821; bh=3DD2GNQjbJ0V6T+z6wbS0oY6z3CMZTNqKW4+nF83Mp06k=3D; b=3DY tjC87NB2Vu+z8zFh6JMsKQhxhlNafGj3yyQMJW/EvfyDDQxsMWtvx/kx5gRJnHDD oJOt0zcSAXUTiD/EhOuRCrb3KOr1nErTcWPns31B44q/4dL7l09vnuT+VswvRZoZ 3jZFZZGHZRr2FtOjgdDQkJKZIk0elPc2i67Bif30Hc=3D X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) - fl.us.spammertrap.net X-Virus-Scanned: SpammerTrap(r) SME-150 1.89 at fl.us.spammertrap.net Received: from secnap3.secnap.com (secnap3.secnap.com [204.89.241.130]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99E5E6088; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 21.sub-70-222-163.myvzw.com ([10.80.0.4]) by secnap3.secnap.= com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);=20 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:47:01 -0500 Message-ID: <494A3835.30302@secnap.net> =20 > whoever is working on the listservers can contact me for assistance on=20 > it. maybe just a postfix header IGNORE rule would strip it back out. Talking about Mailman configuration, personally I would like if these maili= nglists here had 'subject_prefix', something like [FreeBSD-QUESTIONS:%d]=20 Greetings, O.K. =2D-=20 M=F5=F5da oma inteneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed http://tallinn.speedtest.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 12:52:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4A2106567B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pugalanand.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0078FC28 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pugalanand.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so87374qwb.7 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:52:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=k4p6IvrTHyWyCvqS9+1Ew90HIanYB4Obk3dJcsfb1cQ=; b=O/sw8xWiNBTPSeA9r8W+7HHS4HO9/8Rycb1hvuEyvwmE/6/uLCXjxfS1TsFSTIcYKW RxlM8at6y0u2hOEkc8Af9q7gcIvrNnC3kjllnD/FaPbQNzaobvLdzzstrRIpCHOOlbT7 ViBPKF1dnoh9kw5no+DGKDMzBBpyYkWgY1+Aw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Y0op3Ag/+9wbeAxJe4JPd5ClPCQhgwEgJmQSelt1UjeSUFNWf1im2oLiaWPhUCqt6a YqbVZn/t5JMVwuBmbZrqC2PAynMRiEGzkrmAiNvO08niH6xSqNJ3TFQWVwTa9HDPcYsx /br/vqO9poR2VGJiWoputivJ+OxZ2D/RDVyto= Received: by 10.214.215.16 with SMTP id n16mr2318381qag.101.1229604745456; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.243.6 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:52:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:22:25 +0530 From: "pugal pugal" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Tymk=F3w?=" In-Reply-To: <692660060812100307xe1ad17ax1661a18a51ecfa0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <991123400812100213p3b14ab83rbdc9798993fc19d@mail.gmail.com> <692660060812100307xe1ad17ax1661a18a51ecfa0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:52:27 -0000 Hi all While using ipfilter i got an issue i have done is ioctl the result is sucess In that i wrote a rule to deny connection from x.x.x.x ioctl(fd, SIOCADDFR, struct frentry **) I gone to route prompt and saw the statistics ipfstat -i i correctly shows my rule. But he is not executing it. Anyone know about this.. please let me know.. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Sebastian Tymk=F3w < sebastian.tymkow@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > If you don't want to do this using server features you should do it in yo= ur > program > (like in config file). > > Best regards, > > Shamrock > > 2008/12/10 pugal pugal > >> Hi all >> I will explain the scenario clearly. >> >> I have a server program say server.c listening on some XXX port-number.I >> accepts all the client. >> >> Now i want to DENY only the particular client say x.x.x.x/16 . >> >> I want to deny that Client by not using hosts.deny. >> >> For this scenario what can i do?? If anyone knows Let me explain clearly= . >> Since i am very new to this.please explain clearly. >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington > >wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, pugal pugal > >wrote: >> > >> >> Hi all >> >> Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using >> >> hosts.deny and ipfilter. >> > >> > >> > Let the "service" listen on 127.0.0.1 or just don't start it:-) >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Best regards, >> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> > Nairobi,KE >> > +254733744121/+254722743223 >> > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> > "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropi= c, >> > unlike our MPs!" >> > -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks >> With Regards >> Pugal >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > --=20 Thanks With Regards Pugal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 13:01:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B1E1065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181FF8FC14 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E5FFD26F for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:01:48 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 61ED9FD26D; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:01:48 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-13.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.5.3] (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82C3BFD4DD for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:01:45 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <494A49B8.9060904@zzz.ee> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:01:44 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000501c95f8b$9edb12e0$dc9138a0$@com> <005701c96050$0bf33c30$23d9b490$@com> <200812171708.43310.ottk@zzz.ee> <200812180817.39819.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> In-Reply-To: <200812180817.39819.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090205060206020406020304" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: PHP5 as apache module using packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:01:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090205060206020406020304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mel wrote: > On Wednesday 17 December 2008 16:08:43 Ott Kstner wrote: > > >> Nothing special needed. Just a regular Apache, MySQL, and PHP. 5...10 >> minute install from FreBSD ports. >> [...snip...] > And thus, can run as php-cgi. There are performance and configuration > management reasons to use the module, but these come more into play with mass > virtual hosting, rather then a dedicated server for one web app. > > Oh, sorry! A little misunderstanding. By "regular" I actually meant PHP installed as an Apache module. Don't actually no anybody or any reason to run it as cgi. Best regards, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ --------------090205060206020406020304-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 13:10:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBE9106568D; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mail.cksoft.de (mail.cksoft.de [62.111.66.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962338FC16; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from localhost (amavis.str.cksoft.de [192.168.74.71]) by mail.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C760541C5D9; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:10:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cksoft.de Received: from mail.cksoft.de ([62.111.66.27]) by localhost (amavis.str.cksoft.de [192.168.74.71]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nWfDLnbEyWZj; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:10:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.cksoft.de (Postfix, from userid 66) id 5CB9341C5A1; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:10:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net (maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net [10.111.66.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.int.zabbadoz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE164448D5; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:09:30 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" X-X-Sender: bz@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net To: Michael Scheidell In-Reply-To: <494A3835.30302@secnap.net> Message-ID: <20081218130857.G97918@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> References: <494A3835.30302@secnap.net> X-OpenPGP-Key: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: OT: Re: listserver problems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:10:08 -0000 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Michael Scheidell wrote: Hi, > might be generic listserver issues, but I noticed that at least on > freebsd-jail list, it does NOT strip out dkim/domainkeys signatures. > > that might not be to bad, but it does 'mung' the headers, so dkim signed > email passed through freebsd mailing list server comes back as a forged > signature. > > whoever is working on the listservers can contact me for assistance on it. > maybe just a postfix header IGNORE rule would strip it back out. please mail postmaster@f.o. and discuss with them. /bz -- Bjoern A. Zeeb The greatest risk is not taking one. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 13:43:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1BA1065675 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:43:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from gate.criticalsoftware.com (gate.criticalsoftware.com [212.13.37.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B0B8FC2B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:43:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from [192.168.1.130] (unknown [192.168.1.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gate.criticalsoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35692E8941; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:43:02 +0000 (WET) Message-ID: <494A5363.7090501@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:42:59 +0000 From: Ricardo Jesus User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <20081218124318.09f16d42@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20081218124318.09f16d42@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Pieter Donche , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ricardo.m.jesus@criticalsoftware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:43:16 -0000 RW wrote: > On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:08:44 +0100 (CET) > Pieter Donche wrote: > > >> ( decompress to /usr/ports ) >> # portsnap extract >> >> ( it is not clear to me if this is correct if one already has >> a /usr/ports created during sysinstall .. ) > > You need the extract so that the tree is exactly matched to the > snapshot and the correct metadata is created, it's installing the > tree from disk that's not needed. > >> In root /etc/crontab, shedule daily updates of /var/db/portsnap : >> 0 3 * * * root /usr/sbin/portsnap cron >> >> ... >> b. For every future upgrade of gv (using portupgrade): >> b.1. ( update ports collection ) >> # portsnap update >> ... >> b.5. do the port upgrade >> # portupgrade -R gv >> >> b.6. install the updated version of ghostview >> # cd /usr/ports/print/gv >> # make install clean > > You don't need the last step, that's what portupgrade does. > > For the most part it's better to bring all you ports up-to date if you > can, rather than doing it piecemeal. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Also use portaudit to check for security issues with installed ports. # portaudit -Fda (fecth the updated audit database and check your ports against it) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 13:57:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298FB106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:57:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp124.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp124.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DD08FC1F for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 19B6C44C0C2 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id D1A6144C09F for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:57:28 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:57:26 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: lang/php5 installed "Apache 2.0 Handler" for apache22 Thread-Index: AclhGI7RJAwPoNGmmE+Tkg0WN59OVw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: lang/php5 installed "Apache 2.0 Handler" for apache22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:57:30 -0000 i've read that php has an Apache 2.2 Handler since 5.2. i installed the www/apache22 port and lang/php5. things seem to work but phpinfo() reports: Server API = Apache 2.0 Handler. is that as it should be? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 14:04:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8141065675 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:04:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CC68FC28 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.4.1 anthesphoria.net mBIE46W0078676 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1229609051; bh=pnF+6ajDKdl/0M3YThSNmDqx1vz/2FgUFvr1IL9oo 0E=; l=2193; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint:X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hZffYLWQcPdFRDMdlHC4VpCJ JHaiqqMKqLwFXAdxDm36saoA/USz0LsHslljO61ORFbX+B8a5bMW6azo2NLR2T+Lra+ Ox5I+vjtsX9zIA2P5f4JIg7DjbQXZWuAwofekJk1HVwLBER4nLIFtoS7iCQsqZrG4Et nLxhDSoU5fV80= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-200-199.eunet.yu [213.198.200.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIE46W0078676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:04:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:59:59 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: Michael Scheidell Message-ID: <20081218145959.2d428ec8@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <494A3835.30302@secnap.net> References: <494A3835.30302@secnap.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE/i386 X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver: x-hkp://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: listserver problems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:04:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:47:01 -0500 Michael Scheidell wrote: =20 > might be generic listserver issues, but I noticed that at least on=20 > freebsd-jail list, it does NOT strip out dkim/domainkeys signatures. >=20 > that might not be to bad, but it does 'mung' the headers, so dkim > signed email passed through freebsd mailing list server comes back as > a forged signature. Three objections to your DKIM signature: (1) Your canonicalization is "relaxed/simple", i.e. the mail is signed with "simple" bodycanon: DKIM-Signature: v=3D1; a=3Drsa-sha256; c=3Drelaxed/simple; d=3Dsecnap.net= ; h=3D That's why you have Authentication-Results: [...] dkim=3Dneutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=3D@secnap.net - -- the list software appends some lines at the end of mail. You should use=20 Canonicalization relaxed/relaxed in dkim-filter.conf or milterdkim_flags=3D"-c relaxed/relaxed" in rc.conf if you use Sendmail. (See headers of my mail.) (2) You have "Received" header field included in the signature, while RFC4871 states that it SHOULD NOT be the case: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4871#section-5.5 (3) You do not specify body length (l=3D in DKIM header). According to http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4871#section-3.4.5 it could be a good idea to use it, especially when mailing lists are in question. In total, mailing list owners don't have an obligation to strip DKIM signatures. Instead, other methods can be used on both sides, see section 4.1. HTH - --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 =3D =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0= =B5=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B fingerprint : FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iJwEAQEDAAYFAklKV2MACgkQ/MM/0rYIoZhsnwQAowQy2nwd3IVYMtv9p7PVaoGZ FQPpZZse/6PFi3KeegZcbOBFhOcNV3DzATt3z+VXdVYybajRXArj7WJtyEI2shGn ssBmBdkD1bpoRzgf7jNYj6a9w8cVS/BC7gl07GBIhILEGLnpG8bjj7MtWhynj9SB vn8jT/XF4QEKmDJSUwk=3D =3D1fpm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 14:17:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1C6106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E1A8FC21 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334D6FD49D for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:17:45 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 31D72FD498; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:17:45 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_50 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from ott.sise (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5561FFD4A1 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:17:34 +0200 (EET) From: Ott =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6stner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:17:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812181617.33463.ottk@zzz.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee Subject: Re: lang/php5 installed "Apache 2.0 Handler" for apache22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:17:47 -0000 On Thursday 18 December 2008 3:57:26 pm Tom Worster wrote: > i've read that php has an Apache 2.2 Handler since 5.2. i installed the > www/apache22 port and lang/php5. things seem to work but phpinfo() report= s: > Server API =3D Apache 2.0 Handler. is that as it should be? If You look further, There should be an 'apache2handler' section in the php= info(), with more specific information. Should report something like: Apache Version Apache/2.2.11 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8e DAV/= 2 PHP/5.2.8 with Suhosin-Patch [...etc...] =2D-=20 M=F5=F5da oma inteneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed http://tallinn.speedtest.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 14:18:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A601065674 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2938FC2B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so300672anc.13 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:18:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tCyRGQ20mmhYJGbvWqwWZgdXpUR6g1OBfpFPXPl4+R8=; b=UrmA/wHxOC9z4oNFz6ouwnm04QD/hrU5nQ8jPiCdL0cYdecJVj0io93lQu6ERwOFZo Irm4xddStvkiWNN9SFAcRTqOf1a8sqCoV8EtYe8p53BUdtSKIE1tEGaISoXeVy9XCrZj QSVtZ1Qsyjxt+19ce++Gj1540MbEZwRzn4enI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=SuS8GJv8jQf5YJb2P8ic7Y8p+BjQhrnlJh9aEfha2LQ+K1QDj1zXLH8Sf9JFFQRq74 6dsWmzX0ny24nOeEhwnaZX4tiiZ4fClXSc4IMMgbBUu9RGctNH/vzWmt2OvXQhMI1iM+ dx6KmliPHcS5QI1UonGbSP2h594Fu2vBlv784= Received: by 10.100.105.13 with SMTP id d13mr1412152anc.102.1229609929634; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hercules.nuvox.net (216.215.202.5.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d35sm4041140and.5.2008.12.18.06.18.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:18:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494A5BC8.7090606@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:18:48 -0500 From: Andy Greenwood User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr References: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> In-Reply-To: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:18:50 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm trying to install a nagios server in a jail. > > I've a problem with check_ping. > > [root@]# /usr/local/libexec/nagios/check_ping -H some_host -w 3000.0,80% -c 5000.0,100% -p 5 > CRITICAL - You need more args!!! > Could not open pipe: > > So I think it's become the ping problem. So I put > > sysctl -w security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=1 > > in the host-jail-server. > > In the jail I can make a ping but the nagios check_ping don't work. > > Anyone have succefully install a nagios server in a jail ? > > Regards. I'm not exactly sure how I did it, but I remember having to change something from the defaults when I built the net-mgmt/nagios-plugins port because the check_ping command wasn't working right. I'd suggest going back and re-making that port to see if you get any error messages. I want to say that it wasn't finding the ping binary, but I don't think that's what it was. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklKW8gACgkQEStKVA82Z+0C8ACfX5tAleQZJwkyd4/B6PCyieKj 98IAoKOKSYqguLuecO828//KN8eHWsv1 =CaW0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 14:37:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09703106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881428FC1C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:37:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LDK0G-0005Cq-5N for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:37:28 +0000 Received: from adsl-64-123-118-135.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net ([64.123.118.135]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:37:28 +0000 Received: from srandall52 by adsl-64-123-118-135.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:37:28 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Steve Randall Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:37:16 -0600 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <20081218083716.3a6b9ac5@locust> References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081216212015.800ab816.freebsd@edvax.de> <21045861.post@talk.nabble.com> <21065051.post@talk.nabble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-64-123-118-135.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Sender: news Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:37:34 -0000 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:54:45 -0800 (PST) ThinkDifferently wrote: > > > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > ThinkDifferently wrote: > >> hptrr: no controller detected. > > > > It looks like there's a proble with the hptrr driver? Have you > > tried loading the "HighPoint RocketRAID device drive" by putting > > > > hptrr_load="YES" > > > > into /boot/loader.conf? > > > > Further information can be obtained by: > > > > % man hptrr > > > > Check if your particular controller is supported. > > > > I went back to this, using my USB boot device and edited /boot/loader.conf > to have hptrr_load="YES". Still, no joy. > > Also, I've been able to determine that I don't have a RocketRAID device. > That's a separate RAID card, and I simply don't have one. What I have is an > onboard NVIDIA NForce Storage Controller. I'm befuddled as to why FreeBSD > thinks I have RocketRAID. It doesn't. FreeBSD DOES include the hptrr driver (among many others) in the generic kernel. Most drivers remain quiet when they find nothing to drive, but not hptrr. The message confirms that you DON'T have RocketRAID, and gives no insight into your problem. I can't really help you with that. I can tell you that FreeBSD 7.0 works fine on my nForce 630a chipset, though I do not have it configured for RAID, only AHCI. Your 720a chipset is newer, perhaps too new to be supported by FreeBSD 7.0. You might want to give 7.1 a try. You might also check if your BIOS is up to date, in case the problem is there. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 14:45:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E51065673; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:45:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from fl.us.spammertrap.net (fl.us.spammertrap.net [204.89.241.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854C18FC0C; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:45:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AD7E6089; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:45:53 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=secnap.net; h= content-type:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :user-agent:from:date:message-id; s=dkim; t=1229611553; x= 1231425953; bh=XFDOPIWILLsQQ9EFPFxZI+wgJFEhCg0NTrvLwk+JyGA=; b=h nVsU9EdmG2+af/A3vDDYY3G/VWrVrOzKCPHxksXEemlUXSHnwxzco8b/w7fsOim5 8gxEG69ES8s7GdeIzOdr0o2D7n/72eMSRB0M146kKjePy3VICcmjq65xwRyDYEm9 kjfZvqYPgIZ9Tqg34P0CxF+qTWwUuVQ0ML2EzmPIyM= X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) - fl.us.spammertrap.net X-Virus-Scanned: SpammerTrap(r) SME-150 1.90 at fl.us.spammertrap.net Received: from secnap3.secnap.com (secnap3.secnap.com [204.89.241.130]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D6BE6088; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mikes-Laptop.local ([10.70.3.3]) by secnap3.secnap.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:45:53 -0500 Message-ID: <494A6221.7080603@secnap.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:45:53 -0500 From: Michael Scheidell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Tmlrb2xhIExlxI1pxIc=?= References: <494A3835.30302@secnap.net> <20081218145959.2d428ec8@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <20081218145959.2d428ec8@anthesphoria.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2008 14:45:53.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[53CB6990:01C9611F] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: listserver problems? 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For Information please see http://www.secnap.com/products/spammertrap/ _________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 14:51:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F011065674; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:51:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from fl.us.spammertrap.net (fl.us.spammertrap.net [204.89.241.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5D68FC20; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:51:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C25E6089; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:51:47 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=secnap.net; h= content-type:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :user-agent:from:date:message-id; s=dkim; t=1229611906; x= 1231426306; bh=rx71fVDn/eblDcpiOU8kuzT0ikKL/imaezJZ771CVik=; b=V 6MKaaI6V2bdtxq000ysiY899E7Rga/BoCCLGsp9km3K5TLgdttikJXxeyFZdwDt0 afoyhLeaOrQR5gPoSsNVWJA7/I96c37hGpJp5Cejd3Mc47UCVqaD9i7/zGdU2eFg X6sQC/4oP40237Zpk/fkLxoRseqJeeuh3lQE8nxZiM= X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) - fl.us.spammertrap.net X-Virus-Scanned: SpammerTrap(r) SME-150 1.90 at fl.us.spammertrap.net Received: from secnap3.secnap.com (secnap3.secnap.com [204.89.241.130]) by fl.us.spammertrap.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AF6E6087; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mikes-Laptop.local ([10.70.3.3]) by secnap3.secnap.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:51:44 -0500 Message-ID: <494A6380.1090509@secnap.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:51:44 -0500 From: Michael Scheidell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Greenwood References: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> <494A5BC8.7090606@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <494A5BC8.7090606@gmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2008 14:51:44.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[24D22790:01C96120] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr, freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:51:48 -0000 Andy Greenwood wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Albert Shih wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> I'm trying to install a nagios server in a jail. >> >> I've a problem with check_ping. >> > only thing I see on mine is I have ipv6 disabled: (also, with_fping, with_netsnmp, with_mysql) all others disabled. -- Michael Scheidell, CTO Phone: 561-999-5000, x 1259 > *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Certified SNORT Integrator * King of Spam Filters, SC Magazine 2008 * Information Security Award 2008, Info Security Products Guide * CRN Magazine Top 40 Emerging Security Vendors _________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). For Information please see http://www.secnap.com/products/spammertrap/ _________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 14:58:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45778106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:58:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: from srvdmz13.oekb.co.at (srvdmz13.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8AD8FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:58:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: from msc01-n1 [143.245.2.187] by srvdmz13.oekb.co.at - SurfControl E-mail Filter (6.0.0); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:58:20 +0100 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at ([143.245.9.16]) by MAIL1.oekb.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:58:19 +0100 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIEwJQj014051 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:58:19 +0100 Received: (from ej@localhost) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mBIEwJYT014050 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:58:19 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: aurora.oekb.co.at: ej set sender to a@jenisch.at using -f Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:58:19 +0100 From: Ewald Jenisch To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218145818.GA13985@aurora.oekb.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2008 14:58:19.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[10BDF7B0:01C96121] X-SEF-ZeroHour-RefID: fgs=0 X-SEF-7853D99-ADF1-478E-8894-213D316B8FFA: 1 X-SEF-Processed: 6_0_0_39__2008_12_18_15_58_20 Subject: 7.1 RC1 - problems with Intel Pro/1000 NIC (em0)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:58:23 -0000 Hi, After installing FreeBSD 7.1 RC1 from the DVD-image I found that the PC in question has no LAN connectivity upon reboot. The PC has an Intel GE builtin NIC showing up as "Intel PRO/1000 Network Connection 6.9.6" in dmesg. For the problem: Though IP-Adress, default-GW etc. are correctly set the box can't e.g. ping anything on the net; neither on the local lan nor across the default-gw. Same the other way round: machine can't be ping-ed, not even from the local subnet. What's interesting though is that on both the LAN-Switch and the PC ("ifconfig") the interface shows up as connected. Even more interesting: the MAC-address of the PC-nic shows up on the corresponding LAN-Switch. So there definitely is "some form of connectivity". When starting a "tcpdump" there's no output - so obviously nothing is coming into the machine form the network. To cross-check I've a) swapped the patch-cable for another one - no change b) tried Ubuntu (Linux) from the Live-CD - under Ubuntu I've got full LAN-connectivity without any problems so it must be something FreeBSD related... Has anybody out there had problems with an Intel GE-Nic ("em0") under 7.1? Thanks in advance for any clue, -ewald From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 14:59:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715DF106567A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bcook@poughkeepsieschools.org) Received: from mail.poughkeepsieschools.org (mail.poughkeepsieschools.org [64.72.66.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302268FC33 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bcook@poughkeepsieschools.org) Received: from [10.20.0.10] (port=51272 helo=mbookpro.tcentral.lan) by mail.poughkeepsieschools.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (BSD WebSolutions, Inc.) (envelope-from ) id 1LDK54-0008yV-DK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (authenticated as bcook@poughkeepsieschools.org); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:42:26 -0500 X-BSD-Virus-Check: ClamAV 0.94.2/8779 on mail.poughkeepsieschools.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:42:26 -0500 Message-ID: <494A6152.70807@poughkeepsieschools.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:42:26 -0500 From: "B. Cook" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20081204 Thunderbird/3.0b1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: open-vm-tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:59:16 -0000 I have a freebsd 7.0 client running in an vmware cluster. Is there something that I am missing, or that something I can do to make this go away? The owner of the cluster is telling me he keeps getting this in the logs: -Unfortunately I'm still seeing these in the VMWare log every minute.... Dec 18 07:34:37 192.168.2.213/192.168.2.213 Hostd: [2008-12-18 12:34:37.219 'VmMisc' 98311 warning] Failed to find conversion from FreeBSD7.0 to type: vim.vm.GuestOsDescriptor.GuestOsIdentifier Dec 18 07:34:37 192.168.2.213/192.168.2.213 Hostd: [2008-12-18 12:34:37.219 'VmMisc' 835597 warning] Failed to find conversion from FreeBSD7.0 to type: vim.vm.GuestOsDescriptor.GuestOsIdentifier Dec 18 07:35:00 192.168.2.213/192.168.2.213 Hostd: [2008-12-18 12:35:00.667 'VmMisc' 835597 warning] Failed to find conversion from FreeBSD7.0 to type: vim.vm.GuestOsDescriptor.GuestOsIdentifier Dec 18 07:35:00 192.168.2.213/192.168.2.213 Hostd: [2008-12-18 12:35:00.669 'VmMisc' 98311 warning] Failed to find conversion from FreeBSD7.0 to type: vim.vm.GuestOsDescriptor.GuestOsIdentifier Dec 18 07:35:04 192.168.2.212/192.168.2.212 Hostd: [2008-12-18 12:35:04.266 'EnvironmentBrowser' 114696 info] Hw info file: /etc/vmware/hostd/hwInfo.xml Dec 18 07:35:04 192.168.2.212/192.168.2.212 Hostd: [2008-12-18 12:35:04.269 'EnvironmentBrowser' 114696 info] Config target info loaded Dec 18 07:35:17 192.168.2.214/192.168.2.214 Hostd: [2008-12-18 12:35:17.532 'PropertyCollector' 1081360 warning] GetPropertyProvider failed for haTask-ha-root-pool-vim.ResourcePool.updateConfig-77992 Dec 18 07:35:24 192.168.2.213/192.168.2.213 Hostd: [2008-12-18 12:35:24.136 'VmMisc' 81926 warning] Failed to find conversion from FreeBSD7.0 to type: vim.vm.GuestOsDescriptor.GuestOsIdentifier Dec 18 07:35:24 192.168.2.213/192.168.2.213 Hostd: [2008-12-18 12:35:24.138 'VmMisc' 147466 warning] Failed to find conversion from FreeBSD7.0 to type: vim.vm.GuestOsDescriptor.GuestOsIdentifier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 15:00:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D041065675 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp244.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp244.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEA78FC1C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EEB23236963; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id C581A2366CD; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:00:47 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:00:45 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Ott =?ISO-8859-1?B?S/ZzdG5lcg==?= , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: lang/php5 installed "Apache 2.0 Handler" for apache22 Thread-Index: AclhIWczrgtL7gNkU0CMe9db18nXmg== In-Reply-To: <200812181617.33463.ottk@zzz.ee> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: lang/php5 installed "Apache 2.0 Handler" for apache22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:00:49 -0000 On 12/18/08 9:17 AM, "Ott K=F6stner" wrote: > On Thursday 18 December 2008 3:57:26 pm Tom Worster wrote: >> i've read that php has an Apache 2.2 Handler since 5.2. i installed the >> www/apache22 port and lang/php5. things seem to work but phpinfo() repor= ts: >> Server API =3D Apache 2.0 Handler. is that as it should be? >=20 > If You look further, There should be an 'apache2handler' section in the > phpinfo(), with more specific information. >=20 > Should report something like: > Apache Version Apache/2.2.11 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8e DA= V/2 > PHP/5.2.8 with Suhosin-Patch > [...etc...] yes. but i took this as a report of information about the apache server rather than a report of the api version within php. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 15:10:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E39106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AAF8FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:10:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE76B5242 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:44:08 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200812180907.38715.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> References: <1163ED2B-058F-426E-850C-E0253BF13645@hughes.net> <200812180907.38715.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:43:22 +1000 Message-Id: <1229604202.1266.65.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: linux_base question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:10:03 -0000 On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 09:07 +0100, Mel wrote: > On Thursday 18 December 2008 04:03:45 Chris wrote: > > I'm trying to keep all FreeBSD servers in my net as I have since the > > late 90s. I have a requirement to get a quickbooks enterprise server > > running so I was going to attempt to use compat_linux. > > > > It struck me that if I knew the following list of supported linux > > implementations, I should be able to figure out the best port > > to use. So far, it doesn't seem too clear to me. Here are the > > linux versions supported by the 2 daemons Intuit puts out: > > > > CentOS 5 > > Debian (Lenny) > > Fedora 6 / 7 / 8 > > Mandriva > > OpenSuSE 10.2 / 10.3 > > Ubuntu 6.06 / 7.04 / 7.10 / 8.0 > > > > Here are the components needed. > > > > Gamin - 0.1.7.7 or newer or Fam 2.7.0 or newer > > Glibc 2.5-3 or newer, or Libc6 2.5-3 or newer > > Libgcc 4.2.1 or newer > > Libstdc++ - 4.2.1 or newer > > > > Which of the linux_base* ports would be best to > > attempt to run these two daemons. > > > > I just updated ports and have the following shown > > linux_base-f7 > > linux_base-f8 > > linux_base-fc4 > > linux_base-fc6 > > (and several Gentoo) > > On 6.x, use fc4. > On 7.x use fc6 and set compat.linux.os_release to 2.6.16 (which will be the > default for 7.x branch starting 7.1 as far as I know). > > You can use others, but these have the widest coverage in production systems > and testing by the emulation team. Sorry to butt in here, but I've suffered similar confusion. In some blogs or wikis it mentions setting the sysctl compat.linux.osrelease to either 2.4.2 or 2.6.16, and (in some of my fiddling during tests) I've found I can actually set the kernel settings to suit pretty much any software that needs to run. If this is the case, what is the difference between the ports? Do the libraries change? Supporting software? Can freebsd effectively emulate any kernel version? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 15:13:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F821065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CD18FC08 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so613514ewy.19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:13:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JvO0pFaQ/JFLJa0W6EyHr5yoLAJjLXE8D0msZlnQS1M=; b=fZdfeL/ckOo+gozBlP1VYaK2NlVEataC0XjCTRdYLHGy0ngZhlCxeemDIJ6Ez/dJ9A b5bVq2qpVWe+FLb2DsZwpj18zHTnt9rZIi1pngvL4M1ZjRncM6mg4ocZJ4f/iSr0s7WA GGPAbMCI9SqloM7sPkirjJLJXf5EFTL3YySqs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qAWQm61biuRXL8Qy5UB0/nDGEbys+cHKjHrqngP4sFjfabPqlIyVxQKnEFnzPp81uS HP1YqUH7K9/tnUzJ6wOLTkcZippvJ0KDaZkOwqgS6LPvwNUSdEua6J/Q6jm7Iu3eKqvF jfoTVsqcXtHou12ouXgLGA4V658nXBe7HnSMQ= Received: by 10.210.131.6 with SMTP id e6mr2395466ebd.77.1229613216211; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b30sm20092090ika.19.2008.12.18.07.13.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:13:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:13:24 +0000 From: RW To: Pieter Donche , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218151324.698ccb72@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20081218124318.09f16d42@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: portsnap and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:13:37 -0000 [ Since this is on-topic, I'm taking it back on-list. ] On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:11:26 +0100 (CET) Pieter Donche wrote: > > 'Installing the tree from disk' do you mean with that: the install > during sysinstall of /usr/ports from what is on the > FREEBDSD-7.0-RELEASE CD's ? Yes > If so, if you have did create a /usr/ports from sysinstall, then only > a portsnap fetch has to be done, and no portsnap extract > but only a portsnap update when you need updating a program you > installed previously from the ports tree ? Portsnap doesn't know about anything in the ports tree that it didn't put there itself. For that reason it needs to bring the tree to an initial known-state by replacing all port directories and other files. For the same reason you shouldn't mix portsnap and c[v]sup. > But is it then not better to do a portsnap upgrade immmediatly after > that first portsnap fetch, since fetch will only get compressed .gz > files (not decompressed to /usr/ports), so /usr/ports will still be > of the date of the release of the 7.0 (febr. 2008) ? The extract will bring the tree up-to-date with the fetched snapshot. You could use extract instead of update all the time, except that it's slower and deletes user generated files in the ports directories (e.g. README.html). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 07:52:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6F11065673; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037868FC1A; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp12.yandex.ru (smtp12.yandex.ru [77.88.32.82]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id D66DB4C51FE; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:52:46 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 200-203-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net ([91.124.203.200]:18180 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S5325894AbYLRHwi (ORCPT + 6 others); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:52:38 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp12 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229586758 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 8 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp12.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:52:42 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <322306821.20081218095242@yandex.ru> To: "David Weintraub" In-Reply-To: References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:23:02 +0000 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mel , Wojciech Puchar , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:52:50 -0000 , David. DW> Is user "svn" a member of the group "wheel"? See DW> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-November/063649.html It is not required to be member of group wheel to low process rights from root. wheel group is requierd only if I want to rise my rights to root. Also notice that on both systems 'home' and 'kes' there is svn group and user. The svn user is not member of wheel group. On both systems user svn has not home directory and has not valid shell (because of it is not required to login as svn user, this is just user to start svnserve process) On FreeBSD 7.0 svnserve startsup normally, on 7.1 it can not Error is described earlier. DW> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:02 PM, KES wrote: >> , Mel. >> >> 17 2008 ., 9:11:19: >> >> M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >>>> , Polytropon. >>>> >>>> 14 2008 ., 15:11:35: >>>> >>>> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >>>> >>>> P> wrote: >>>> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >>>> >> > kes# pw user show svn >>>> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >>>> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> >> > Starting svnserve. >>>> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> >>>> >> try to change directory to existent >>>> >>>> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >>>> >>>> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >>>> >>>> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >>>> >>>> home# uname -a >>>> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 >>>> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >>>> i386 home# pw user show svn >>>> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >>>> >>>> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it >>>> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group >>>> >>>> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >>>> does not work on >>>> kes# uname -a >>>> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 >>>> 17:19:12 EET 2008 kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >>>> i386 >> >> M> echo 'rc_debug="YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf >> M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> >> M> Show output from /var/log/messages. >> >> kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to YES. >> Starting svnserve. >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >> su: Sorry >> >> >> -- >> , >> KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru >> >> -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 07:52:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6F11065673; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037868FC1A; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp12.yandex.ru (smtp12.yandex.ru [77.88.32.82]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id D66DB4C51FE; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:52:46 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 200-203-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net ([91.124.203.200]:18180 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S5325894AbYLRHwi (ORCPT + 6 others); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:52:38 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp12 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229586758 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 8 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp12.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:52:42 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <322306821.20081218095242@yandex.ru> To: "David Weintraub" In-Reply-To: References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <20081214141135.2b40a55b.freebsd@edvax.de> <2010226645.20081214171117@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:23:15 +0000 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mel , Wojciech Puchar , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:52:50 -0000 , David. DW> Is user "svn" a member of the group "wheel"? See DW> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-November/063649.html It is not required to be member of group wheel to low process rights from root. wheel group is requierd only if I want to rise my rights to root. Also notice that on both systems 'home' and 'kes' there is svn group and user. The svn user is not member of wheel group. On both systems user svn has not home directory and has not valid shell (because of it is not required to login as svn user, this is just user to start svnserve process) On FreeBSD 7.0 svnserve startsup normally, on 7.1 it can not Error is described earlier. DW> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:02 PM, KES wrote: >> , Mel. >> >> 17 2008 ., 9:11:19: >> >> M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >>>> , Polytropon. >>>> >>>> 14 2008 ., 15:11:35: >>>> >>>> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >>>> >>>> P> wrote: >>>> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >>>> >> > kes# pw user show svn >>>> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >>>> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> >> > Starting svnserve. >>>> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> >>>> >> try to change directory to existent >>>> >>>> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >>>> >>>> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >>>> >>>> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >>>> >>>> home# uname -a >>>> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 >>>> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >>>> i386 home# pw user show svn >>>> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >>>> >>>> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it >>>> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group >>>> >>>> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >>>> does not work on >>>> kes# uname -a >>>> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 >>>> 17:19:12 EET 2008 kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >>>> i386 >> >> M> echo 'rc_debug="YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf >> M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> >> M> Show output from /var/log/messages. >> >> kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to YES. >> Starting svnserve. >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >> su: Sorry >> >> >> -- >> , >> KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru >> >> -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:39:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B261065674 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:39:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a.batard@forteam.fr) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9528FC08 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a.batard@forteam.fr) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so818766rvf.43 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.134.17 with SMTP id h17mr698677wfd.344.1229589557651; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.76.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:39:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:39:17 +0100 From: "Alain BATARD" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:33:32 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Video driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:39:18 -0000 I am M. Alain BATARD and i work in a formation center. For my Unix course i use Freebsd (V 7), we recently change our computers for laptops (Compaq 6820s) these computers are equipped with integrated video : ATI Mobility Radeon X1350, after looking for drivers to launch Xorg, i can only use the very poor video in VGA mode, is there any possibilities to find the good driver even by using xorgconfig or manually ? Thank you for your response. Best regards. Alain BATARD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 15:41:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DB31065761 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCB78FC08 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:41:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBIFfNSw012218; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:41:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id mBIFfMKR012215; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:41:22 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:41:22 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be To: RW In-Reply-To: <20081218151324.698ccb72@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: References: <20081218124318.09f16d42@gumby.homeunix.com> <20081218151324.698ccb72@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:41:25 -0000 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, RW wrote: > > [ Since this is on-topic, I'm taking it back on-list. ] > > On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:11:26 +0100 (CET) > Pieter Donche wrote: > >> >> 'Installing the tree from disk' do you mean with that: the install >> during sysinstall of /usr/ports from what is on the >> FREEBDSD-7.0-RELEASE CD's ? > > Yes > >> If so, if you have did create a /usr/ports from sysinstall, then only >> a portsnap fetch has to be done, and no portsnap extract >> but only a portsnap update when you need updating a program you >> installed previously from the ports tree ? > > Portsnap doesn't know about anything in the ports tree that it didn't > put there itself. For that reason it needs to bring the tree to an > initial known-state by replacing all port directories and other > files. For the same reason you shouldn't mix portsnap and c[v]sup. So, do you confirm my statement that only a portsnap update is OK? >> But is it then not better to do a portsnap upgrade immmediatly after >> that first portsnap fetch, since fetch will only get compressed .gz >> files (not decompressed to /usr/ports), so /usr/ports will still be >> of the date of the release of the 7.0 (febr. 2008) ? > > The extract will bring the tree up-to-date with the fetched snapshot. > You could use extract instead of update all the time, except that it's > slower and deletes user generated files in the ports directories (e.g. > README.html). So since it's faster and doesn't delete user generated files, upgrade is always to be preferred over extract, right? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 15:49:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600171065677 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:49:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C478FC21 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so597706yxb.13 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:49:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5kADG33uFSITvM9u+dmjVyk1KTAgacG94hB4LLp2TD8=; b=jvQ0o+W2kmWpygB5zL/LSDFQUpzD9tD+g+4N2kxZsZUgP4/g2fTpCacbAv+Z0MwlBw hKjWAH9la2xAZisyiuLWehYHp8bmb6HULqDTqXT5yLH8NJMtkBmzdPmdAb0kKhRpoIAW AmCSdRp5bJZ/Fp+KKl0Dn1QMGwqC1tN7+IKf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=yHcAA10sLYVfcPPmBO+jAC+Kz2uf3J6HQzPcEvtbnN/pDCVZ0ZOSOTm2jpeoAw/AW9 nX+kHjo/xzTb4omFRS2Un3KqWeKVT1hvSvnik62CGtLiukUGLZx8L28xtrwVbfSC9XTd Bfc/+jRwEZww4AwOOVjSi2bKSCFztwAO8/IUs= Received: by 10.231.11.137 with SMTP id t9mr73255ibt.49.1229615376719; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.18.139 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:49:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3a142e750812180749i3a6800ccp5741fb18335bb95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:49:36 +0100 From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: "Alain BATARD" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:49:38 -0000 On 12/18/08, Alain BATARD wrote: > I am M. Alain BATARD and i work in a formation center. > For my Unix course i use Freebsd (V 7), we recently change our computers for > laptops (Compaq 6820s) these computers are equipped with integrated video : > ATI Mobility Radeon X1350, after looking for drivers to launch Xorg, i can > only use the very poor video in VGA mode, is there any possibilities to find > the good driver even by using xorgconfig or manually ? What drivers are installed? ls /var/db/pkg/|grep xf86-video -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 16:14:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86FC1065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:14:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CEF8FC0C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:14:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [69.69.69.183] ([69.70.93.206]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KC200FELVOFKLF0@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:14:39 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:16:10 -0500 From: FreeBSD User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:14:48 -0000 Hi everyone, I have a FreeBSD 7.0-Release server that started to swap after an error in a shell script (process spawning competition ;-) ). I killed the shell and the RAM is now OK. The problem is that the swap is still used. How can I "reset" the swap? Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 16:26:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645B21065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korvus@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109ED8FC13 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:26:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korvus@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id seUD1a08E0vyq2s55gS2sE; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:26:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.164] ([206.210.89.202]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sgRP1a0114Mx3R23RgRSsm; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:25:32 +0000 Message-ID: <494A798F.4010301@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:25:51 -0500 From: Steve Polyack User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081124) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "B. Cook" References: <494A6152.70807@poughkeepsieschools.org> In-Reply-To: <494A6152.70807@poughkeepsieschools.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: open-vm-tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:26:03 -0000 B. Cook wrote: > I have a freebsd 7.0 client running in an vmware cluster. > > Is there something that I am missing, or that something I can do to > make this go away? > > > The owner of the cluster is telling me he keeps getting this in the logs: > > -Unfortunately I'm still seeing these in the VMWare log every minute.... > > Dec 18 07:34:37 192.168.2.213/192.168.2.213 Hostd: [2008-12-18 > 12:34:37.219 'VmMisc' 98311 warning] Failed to find conversion from > FreeBSD7.0 to type: vim.vm.GuestOsDescriptor.GuestOsIdentifier > Try setting the Guest OS description to just "FreeBSD". I have multiple VM's running with the guest OS descriptor set to FreeBSD or freebsd-64 and have never seen this issue. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 16:28:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5754E1065675 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157FD8FC1A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687E453EA0CD for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:28:22 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TythdPxls3GM for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:28:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C69153EA04A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:28:20 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:28:18 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.3 (Linux/2.6.27-9-generic; KDE/4.1.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> In-Reply-To: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:28:23 -0000 On Thursday 18 December 2008 09:16:10 FreeBSD wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have a FreeBSD 7.0-Release server that started to swap after an error > in a shell script (process spawning competition ;-) ). I killed the > shell and the RAM is now OK. The problem is that the swap is still used. > How can I "reset" the swap? You don't. The system will handle it for you, I promise. :-) -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 16:36:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5851065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6654B8FC13 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081218163640.QCEF7670.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:36:40 +0000 Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org ([82.21.101.171]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081218163639.ZGRG21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@catflap.slightlystrange.org> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:36:39 +0000 Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id 1EEDB6133; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:36:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 761E56131 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:36:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: by torus.slightlystrange.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:36:33 +0000 From: "Daniel Bye" Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:36:33 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uCPdOCrL+PnN2Vxy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE i386 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ehNlctqhnw0A:10 a=ExFMSMIcwY7GJdhV7s8A:9 a=MSgGWE53kdxkUETe1onDsTOKJEQA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=d1586Y2FSBg6HZY1xJoA:9 a=mBkkqFNeB_zl2Xol5u9lHHnzcr4A:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:36:52 -0000 --uCPdOCrL+PnN2Vxy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:28:18AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > On Thursday 18 December 2008 09:16:10 FreeBSD wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a FreeBSD 7.0-Release server that started to swap after an error > > in a shell script (process spawning competition ;-) ). I killed the > > shell and the RAM is now OK. The problem is that the swap is still used. > > How can I "reset" the swap? >=20 > You don't. The system will handle it for you, I promise. :-) And very well, too. You can prompt it to move pages back into RAM if you start using a swapped- out process again - say, for example, a quiescent word processor had been swapped out, you could get it back by raising it and starting to type. But as Kirk said, there really is no need. It's one of the kernel's many jobs, and I'm inclined to leave it get on with it! Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --uCPdOCrL+PnN2Vxy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklKfBAACgkQixf5fBYiFmoxEwCeLgqB2ioicwhbal3pkT4vID8X k18AoJBsPS8db3XUwcyUStfNOU2A8hk8 =IxGE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uCPdOCrL+PnN2Vxy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 16:53:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F711065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C121D8FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBIGrBs2003689; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:53:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBIGrBQZ003686; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:53:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:53:11 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> Message-ID: <20081218175251.X3677@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:19 -0000 > > I have a FreeBSD 7.0-Release server that started to swap after an error in a > shell script (process spawning competition ;-) ). I killed the shell and the > RAM is now OK. The problem is that the swap is still used. How can I "reset" > the swap? you don't need. something got swapped out, and will be swapped into memory when needed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 16:55:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFB31065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9338FC1D for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBIGtXnv003715; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:55:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBIGtVQ7003712; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:55:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:55:31 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Pieter Donche In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081218175514.B3711@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20081218124318.09f16d42@gumby.homeunix.com> <20081218151324.698ccb72@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:55:41 -0000 >> README.html). > > So since it's faster and doesn't delete user generated files, upgrade is > always to be preferred over extract, right? unless you made BIG mess in /usr/ports - yes From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:00:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4391065676 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:00:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CA88FC1B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LDMEI-0006s0-Rq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:00:06 -0800 Message-ID: <21076723.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:00:06 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081218083716.3a6b9ac5@locust> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21039625.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081216212015.800ab816.freebsd@edvax.de> <21045861.post@talk.nabble.com> <21065051.post@talk.nabble.com> <20081218083716.3a6b9ac5@locust> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7 load hangs on boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:00:08 -0000 Steve Randall-2 wrote: > > > ThinkDifferently wrote: >> >> Also, I've been able to determine that I don't have a RocketRAID device. >> That's a separate RAID card, and I simply don't have one. What I have is >> an >> onboard NVIDIA NForce Storage Controller. I'm befuddled as to why >> FreeBSD >> thinks I have RocketRAID. >> > > It doesn't. FreeBSD DOES include the hptrr driver (among many others) > in the generic kernel. Most drivers remain quiet when they find nothing > to drive, but not hptrr. The message confirms that you DON'T have > RocketRAID, and gives no insight into your problem. > > I can't really help you with that. I can tell you that FreeBSD 7.0 > works fine on my nForce 630a chipset, though I do not have it > configured for RAID, only AHCI. Your 720a chipset is newer, perhaps > too new to be supported by FreeBSD 7.0. You might want to give 7.1 a > try. You might also check if your BIOS is up to date, in case the > problem is there. > Thanks for the update. I strongly believe now it is the GeForce 8200 chipset (aka MCP78). I have found a few posts on other forums with users expressing the same hang issue. The cases weren't with the same mobo, but it was the same chipset. Here is one example: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=941420 See message #3. Keywords: FreeBSD 7.0 GeForce 8200 hangs So, steer clear of GeForce 8200 for FreeBSD (at least for the 7.0 release). -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-7-load-hangs-on-boot-tp21039625p21076723.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:00:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C211065674 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1148FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [69.69.69.183] ([69.70.93.206]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KC3007SJ0JRHEP0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:59:51 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:02:06 -0500 From: FreeBSD User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> In-reply-to: <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:00:48 -0000 Daniel Bye a crit : > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:28:18AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: >> On Thursday 18 December 2008 09:16:10 FreeBSD wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I have a FreeBSD 7.0-Release server that started to swap after an error >>> in a shell script (process spawning competition ;-) ). I killed the >>> shell and the RAM is now OK. The problem is that the swap is still used. >>> How can I "reset" the swap? >> You don't. The system will handle it for you, I promise. :-) > > And very well, too. > > You can prompt it to move pages back into RAM if you start using a swapped- > out process again - say, for example, a quiescent word processor had been > swapped out, you could get it back by raising it and starting to type. > > But as Kirk said, there really is no need. It's one of the kernel's many > jobs, and I'm inclined to leave it get on with it! > > Dan > Thanks for your answer. I'm asking here because it's been several days and there is still used swap for data that should never be used anymore. If the kernel wants to keep it, why not move it to RAM now that there is some free? Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:11:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7C71065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:11:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CCD8FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081218171142.VITK2989.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:11:42 +0000 Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org ([82.21.101.171]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081218171142.NELR22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@catflap.slightlystrange.org> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:11:42 +0000 Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id D94786133; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:11:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 608F56131 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:11:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: by torus.slightlystrange.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:11:36 +0000 From: "Daniel Bye" Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:11:36 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218171135.GF5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xjyYRNSh/RebjC6o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE i386 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ehNlctqhnw0A:10 a=R6AqpJysuz3qlS3-tJkA:9 a=tptwTyd1s9tOIFRUTOCv9NSj4h0A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=_Mw4DAAZoly9ukkUB2QA:9 a=QgKu5xhfXhh6LLoa-0BXFmOqpS8A:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:11:49 -0000 --xjyYRNSh/RebjC6o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:02:06PM -0500, FreeBSD wrote: > Daniel Bye a ?crit : > >On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:28:18AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > >>On Thursday 18 December 2008 09:16:10 FreeBSD wrote: > >>>Hi everyone, > >>> > >>>I have a FreeBSD 7.0-Release server that started to swap after an error > >>>in a shell script (process spawning competition ;-) ). I killed the > >>>shell and the RAM is now OK. The problem is that the swap is still use= d. > >>>How can I "reset" the swap? > >>You don't. The system will handle it for you, I promise. :-) > > > >And very well, too. > > > >You can prompt it to move pages back into RAM if you start using a swapp= ed- > >out process again - say, for example, a quiescent word processor had been > >swapped out, you could get it back by raising it and starting to type. > > > >But as Kirk said, there really is no need. It's one of the kernel's many > >jobs, and I'm inclined to leave it get on with it! > > > >Dan > > >=20 > Thanks for your answer. I'm asking here because it's been several days=20 > and there is still used swap for data that should never be used anymore.= =20 > If the kernel wants to keep it, why not move it to RAM now that there is= =20 > some free? Because it has swapped out an entire process, which hasn't subsequently been woken up again. It's you that says the data are never going to be needed again - the kernel doesn't know that, so keeps the pages there in swap until you either reawaken the process, or kill it, at which point the swap space they occupied will be freed up. You can see which processes are swapped out in top - the process name is in parentheses. If it is irking you sufficiently, you can kill the processes and reclaim your swap ;-) Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --xjyYRNSh/RebjC6o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklKhEcACgkQixf5fBYiFmo/EwCgkL1UgFEjKB1buW10StZ9GAhe pJUAn3uRaaxVc7U7SnDOEQaMtXDewMjC =ts1j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xjyYRNSh/RebjC6o-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:12:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A30810656D2 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE27E8FC1A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081218171206.FXQL4080.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:06 +0000 Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org ([82.21.101.171]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081218171206.NEQG22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@catflap.slightlystrange.org> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:06 +0000 Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id 42F5A6160; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E3E56131 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: by torus.slightlystrange.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:03 +0000 From: "Daniel Bye" Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:03 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218171203.GG5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081218151324.698ccb72@gumby.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="e5GLnnZ8mDMEwH4V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE i386 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ehNlctqhnw0A:10 a=ASc-OiL4tFOfQGHd5tkA:9 a=1el3uY4Ll2mPrI2i0IaP492D8psA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=99e4ui4pt5VJpFEISsgA:9 a=_uj73VhUdegxNuynvzJhwOdcsMEA:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 a=m3NXoxwzeFtovYp-odwA:9 a=X1tyy1l914qnnFUkMbkoh83rYEAA:4 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: portsnap and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:12:08 -0000 --e5GLnnZ8mDMEwH4V Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="zhtSGe8h3+lMyY1M" Content-Disposition: inline --zhtSGe8h3+lMyY1M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:41:22PM +0100, Pieter Donche wrote: > >Portsnap doesn't know about anything in the ports tree that it didn't > >put there itself. For that reason it needs to bring the tree to an > >initial known-state by replacing all port directories and other > >files. For the same reason you shouldn't mix portsnap and c[v]sup. >=20 > So, do you confirm my statement that only a portsnap update is OK? After the initial fetch and extract, yes, you should use update. > >The extract will bring the tree up-to-date with the fetched snapshot. > >You could use extract instead of update all the time, except that it's > >slower and deletes user generated files in the ports directories (e.g. > >README.html). >=20 > So since it's faster and doesn't delete user generated files,=20 > upgrade is always to be preferred over extract, right? Yes. As RW has already noted, extract will replace the entire ports tree with the pristine version in portsnap's archive. This is quite a lengthy process, given the size of the ports tree these days. update on the other hand, only replaces those ports that are different between the currently installed tree, and the tree in the new portsnap archive. I hope that makes sense... Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --zhtSGe8h3+lMyY1M-- --e5GLnnZ8mDMEwH4V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklKhGMACgkQixf5fBYiFmr+IACg0Z5a0s/v3bOloZBjMmg4Srq9 j88AoK3tFKZDaOauEqNu25iyYTAPeXfS =LGat -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --e5GLnnZ8mDMEwH4V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:15:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8969A106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5038A8FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F0453EA12F for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:15:05 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6-fcRzleEmoq for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:15:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6910E53EA12E for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:15:03 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:14:58 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.3 (Linux/2.6.27-9-generic; KDE/4.1.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> In-Reply-To: <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812181114.58652.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:15:06 -0000 On Thursday 18 December 2008 11:02:06 FreeBSD wrote: > Thanks for your answer. I'm asking here because it's been several days > and there is still used swap for data that should never be used anymore. > If the kernel wants to keep it, why not move it to RAM now that there is > some free? Do you *know* that it hadn't copied it back to RAM, leaving a copy in swap in case it needs that RAM suddenly? Really, the OS is better at this than we are. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:15:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBF3106568C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FC28FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LDMTF-0007ly-TK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:15:33 -0800 Message-ID: <21077043.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:15:33 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com Subject: Vetting motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H for FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:15:35 -0000 I'm currently looking for an ATX motherboard that supports the AM2+ socket, Phenom Quad-Core processor, 4 DDR2 RAM slots (800 MHz is fine), 6 SATA ports with RAID, and Gigabit LAN. Onboard VGA would be nice. It needs to work well with FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE, using a 2-disk SATA RAID1. I'm currently looking at the Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H. Has anyone successfully operated 7.0 on this board? Any booting issues? Did you need to modify the ISO to get it to boot (if so how)? Did RAID work? Did it require a special driver to be loaded (if so how)? Do any other motherboards fit the bill, given the specifications I give above? I recently got a black eye &-( with the MSI K9N2G Neo-FD, using the GeForce 8200 (MCP78) chipset. FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE and CentOS 5.2 wouldn't even boot on it, no matter what the BIOS config was. Also, Vista wouldn't even recognize the SATA disks, even if the SATA ports were in IDE, RAID or AHCI modes (it requires a driver, even if you aren't doing RAID). -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Vetting-motherboard-Gigabyte-GA-MA78G-DS3H-for-FreeBSD-7.0-RELEASE-tp21077043p21077043.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:22:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A6D1065673; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@c0mplx.org) Received: from home.opsec.eu (home.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492D08FC14; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@c0mplx.org) Received: from pi by home.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LDMZm-000Bz8-Db; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:22:18 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:22:18 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Albert Shih Message-ID: <20081218172218.GE3080@home.opsec.eu> References: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081217210542.GA25347@obspm.fr> Cc: freebsd-jail@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nagios & Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:22:19 -0000 Hi! > I've a problem with check_ping. > > [root@]# /usr/local/libexec/nagios/check_ping -H some_host -w 3000.0,80% -c 5000.0,100% -p 5 > CRITICAL - You need more args!!! > Could not open pipe: > Anyone have succefully install a nagios server in a jail ? Yes, and I think it's not a problem with ICMP sockets, but with the version of check_ping and what it's calling. Please try ./check_ping -v -v -v -H 212.71.195.58 -w 300.0,80% -c 500.0,100% -p 5 and tell us which version of ping it is calling. -- pi@opsec.eu +49 171 3101372 12 years to go ! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:25:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85F41065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:25:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tankko@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E378FC12 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:25:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tankko@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so716044wfg.7 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:25:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=R7cD5PHcFbXfo64yWs6wC7AuRWqutzxxms3VUOBLd0E=; b=vuqRwxrZCq5b5CNHX2AKPByBGuj5wafa4SmBlgu1TnPei7KlV8nhlAoOyuVk2RXnd3 e0WGCXSX3v2ZbJdW0YIA2vS9DSBomMuKu308fUQNdOOh6IZeuUsNSEUJIhVQAkrCIkR9 Wq8Kwm92CbRii+0DEYx7Q9ovk/uCCf0+Fpzxk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=L1xGISSXZ4aIh1u8M55Ur3pl4UsgKPMW5rARJ3nj5PcupLRTZ87WPtQY1fROgyQ4w0 XkfKvTRYIB6o4zYK5jT/nBSU/A4dS/VOJRrqnNCwlz+CWfo+kSMt/AWcuEhekg+Hn63z yPZVDwBrGxHQuYlAvHVwfd4qZqEU/MS1+EuZg= Received: by 10.142.199.10 with SMTP id w10mr878871wff.345.1229619273680; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.133.13 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:54:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7fec743f0812180854o2e66bee2m8369eba789290758@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:54:33 -0800 From: Tankko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: /tmp running out of inodes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:25:32 -0000 For the second time in 2 weeks my server has gone down due to running out of inodes in /tmp. The first time it did this /tmp was filled with files, so that made sense. I delete all the files from /tmp and all was well for a few weeks. Just this morning it did it again (keep in mind that this sever is currently 700 miles away) and had to be rebooted. But when I looked at /tmp, it was empty except for a couple of files, but running df shows the follow: Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on /dev/ad4s1a 496M 59M 398M 13% 1535 64255 2% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% 0 0 100% /dev /dev/ad4s1e 496M 69M 387M 15% 65790 0 100% /tmp /dev/ad4s1f 221G 5.2G 198G 3% 337742 29596848 1% /usr /dev/ad4s1d 1.9G 757M 1.0G 42% 1632 280990 1% /var /dev/md0 19M 12K 18M 0% 9 2805 0% /tmp /dev/ad5s1c 289G 49G 217G 18% 27779 39115643 0% /bigdrive 65790 used inodes and 0 free on /tmp I ran fsck and it shows: ** /dev/ad4s1e (NO WRITE) ** Last Mounted on /tmp ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups 65790 files, 35374 used, 218441 free (9 frags, 27304 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation) So where are these mysterious 65790 files? Is there a way to clean this up? And more importantly is there a way to do this remotely given that I am 700 miles from the server right now? Every time the server goes down due to this problem, it won't come up again without someone physically running fsck at boot. On a side question...what the the best policy for deleting files from /tmp? Seems like a lot of apps are happy to leave files in /tmp. Is clean up commonly done as a cron job? What about files like mysql.sock= which are important. I can't just blindly remove everything in /tmp each night. Thanks for any help. Tankko From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:33:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F23A1065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FFB8FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LDMk9-00009W-JM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:33:01 -0800 Message-ID: <21077407.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:33:01 -0800 (PST) From: ThinkDifferently To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21077043.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: Jeremy@FutureCIS.com References: <21077043.post@talk.nabble.com> Subject: Re: Vetting motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H for FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:33:02 -0000 ThinkDifferently wrote: > > I'm currently looking for an ATX motherboard... > Sorry, I forgot to mention that I do not need HTPC quality video and sound from this thing. I know the mobo I mentioned has HTPC written all over it, but it's the base qualities (processor, chipset, SATA, etc.) that really count. All I need is basic VGA, and some stereo sound wouldn't be too bad. I don't really care if accelerated video or theater-quality sound output was bad or flaky. I'm going to operate it as a server and plug it into a VGA KVM that has a max resolution of 1024x768. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Vetting-motherboard-Gigabyte-GA-MA78G-DS3H-for-FreeBSD-7.0-RELEASE-tp21077043p21077407.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:33:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71005106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371318FC29 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DB253EA12E for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:33:25 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UAcXfV+Za861 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:33:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B6F753EA12C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:33:23 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:33:21 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.3 (Linux/2.6.27-9-generic; KDE/4.1.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <7fec743f0812180854o2e66bee2m8369eba789290758@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7fec743f0812180854o2e66bee2m8369eba789290758@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812181133.21330.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: /tmp running out of inodes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:33:26 -0000 On Thursday 18 December 2008 10:54:33 Tankko wrote: > On a side question...what the the best policy for deleting files from > /tmp? Seems like a lot of apps are happy to leave files in /tmp. What kind of files are you seeing in /tmp? I have files in mine from July, but only about 7,000 files today - not nearly enough to run out of inodes (not that it should crash the FS anyway). > Is clean up commonly done as a cron job? What about files like mysql.sock= > which are important. I can't just blindly remove everything in /tmp each > night. I think you really need to figure out what's spamming /tmp. You *can* do something like "find /tmp -type f -oldermt '3 days ago' -delete", but that's just addressing the symptoms. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:33:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC5910656B6 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884588FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan-a.emsphone.com [199.67.51.107]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id mBIHXWE1065560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:33:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBIHXWOY033430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:33:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBIHXVCp033329; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:33:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:33:30 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Tankko Message-ID: <20081218173330.GE90803@dan.emsphone.com> References: <7fec743f0812180854o2e66bee2m8369eba789290758@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7fec743f0812180854o2e66bee2m8369eba789290758@mail.gmail.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.1, clamav-milter version 0.94.1 on email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:33:32 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /tmp running out of inodes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:33:33 -0000 In the last episode (Dec 18), Tankko said: > For the second time in 2 weeks my server has gone down due to running > out of inodes in /tmp. The first time it did this /tmp was filled > with files, so that made sense. I delete all the files from /tmp and > all was well for a few weeks. Just this morning it did it again > (keep in mind that this sever is currently 700 miles away) and had to > be rebooted. > > But when I looked at /tmp, it was empty except for a couple of files, > but running df shows the follow: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on > /dev/ad4s1a 496M 59M 398M 13% 1535 64255 2% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% 0 0 100% /dev > /dev/ad4s1e 496M 69M 387M 15% 65790 0 100% /tmp > /dev/ad4s1f 221G 5.2G 198G 3% 337742 29596848 1% /usr > /dev/ad4s1d 1.9G 757M 1.0G 42% 1632 280990 1% /var > /dev/md0 19M 12K 18M 0% 9 2805 0% /tmp > /dev/ad5s1c 289G 49G 217G 18% 27779 39115643 0% /bigdrive You seem to have two filesystems mounted on /tmp at the moment, which could be affecting your ability to see files in the one that got overlayed. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 18:08:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A117F106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp234.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp234.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818AF8FC0C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9611E1CF4EB; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 5A7281CF309; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:08:13 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:08:09 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Daniel Bye , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: portsnap and portupgrade Thread-Index: AclhO5Ul/aWwqsZFeEa9C9TGrmHlAQ== In-Reply-To: <20081218171203.GG5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: portsnap and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:08:14 -0000 On 12/18/08 12:12 PM, "Daniel Bye" wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:41:22PM +0100, Pieter Donche wrote: >> >> So since it's faster and doesn't delete user generated files, >> upgrade is always to be preferred over extract, right? > > Yes. As RW has already noted, extract will replace the entire ports tree > with the pristine version in portsnap's archive. so if one plans to do portsnap fetch; portsnap extract after installing freebsd from a release CD on a new machine, there's no point in installing the ports collection from the CD using sysinstall? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 18:16:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60593106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:16:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C80E8FC19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so726904yxb.13 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:16:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=evLimpHvEJ+1G40FEvUBR3u/2rYfVCqh2NIPgF2AJJA=; b=D1sii10CngjKgFCPgQ/hTzmeJBSkoixRfO+Vjl0dF0LWH1V5LK7MPsD+E/f9ygy5dR cMYBIJsk+FfY+SyHqZNyWXXs6M18LKgi2f/JY3BTYaOKcjkwNFSl8K5n+Wf7Gql7NEEm jzKQp6f/6s29D0RJfnsc0L4aGTybT/P2TWYXo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=muxhITWCIXwvMugHch4DKs68zfvUzQhuKhNYCS+XFaBgKsKX0FjVMt5/vITao1VnLz kY0tUngm3+6pd7RBDm53fmN17LzTicTMhQhdA9DuTnBUmdS+zUUjU/tX26Ms952DfyXG wmOj/xQIAj7KQphogq8dOB1VAqmuaPcCewkVI= Received: by 10.142.107.1 with SMTP id f1mr916939wfc.140.1229624178949; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.165.8 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:16:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812181016pf479572ne398fc89b57df62d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:16:18 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Tom Worster" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081218171203.GG5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Daniel Bye , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:16:20 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Tom Worster wrote: > On 12/18/08 12:12 PM, "Daniel Bye" wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:41:22PM +0100, Pieter Donche wrote: > >> > >> So since it's faster and doesn't delete user generated files, > >> upgrade is always to be preferred over extract, right? > > > > Yes. As RW has already noted, extract will replace the entire ports tree > > with the pristine version in portsnap's archive. > > so if one plans to do portsnap fetch; portsnap extract after installing > freebsd from a release CD on a new machine, there's no point in installing > the ports collection from the CD using sysinstall? As far as i see things no it makes no sense to install the ports tree from CD. I have never installed ports from CD because all the computers running freebsd have an internet connection and the first thing i do is to fetch the updated ports tree. a great day, v > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 18:30:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35BB1065674 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:30:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C47C8FC1A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081218183019.ULKX7670.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:30:19 +0000 Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org ([82.21.101.171]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081218183019.LAHD2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@catflap.slightlystrange.org> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:30:19 +0000 Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id B0C6E6136; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:30:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8D726132 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:30:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: by torus.slightlystrange.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:30:15 +0000 From: "Daniel Bye" Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:30:15 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218183015.GH5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7fec743f0812180854o2e66bee2m8369eba789290758@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4vpci17Ql0Nrbul2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7fec743f0812180854o2e66bee2m8369eba789290758@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE i386 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ehNlctqhnw0A:10 a=j5CU4Ib5g3hfEosHVYcA:9 a=mwtU_WnR3FRVEHlAJ4EA:7 a=pKUar9kQ5NUBTfmmTago66LB0fUA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=lPljsEL5ZaMuGrzMndwA:9 a=uKvq78r5tU_ff0rmxD-qM_xem_YA:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 Subject: Re: /tmp running out of inodes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:30:21 -0000 --4vpci17Ql0Nrbul2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:54:33AM -0800, Tankko wrote: > On a side question...what the the best policy for deleting files from > /tmp? Seems like a lot of apps are happy to leave files in /tmp. Is > clean up commonly done as a cron job? What about files like > mysql.sock=3D which are important. I can't just blindly remove > everything in /tmp each night. As Kirk has already said, you need to figure why this is happening in=20 the first place, but there is a periodic job which can help keep /tmp tidy for you. It is in /etc/periodic/daily/110.clean-tmps and can be enabled with this in /etc/periodic.conf: daily_clean_tmps_enable=3D"YES" You can tailor its behaviour depending on your needs - look for the relevant knobs in /etc/defaults/periodic.conf Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --4vpci17Ql0Nrbul2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklKlrcACgkQixf5fBYiFmrF+gCgrYWucNNxC54r0Aur/bi35p1l pDkAoJCtGFrb22VqQDszwkJX+v1n5YrO =o80G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4vpci17Ql0Nrbul2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 18:42:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6592106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tankko@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C428FC1E for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tankko@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so748054ywe.13 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:41:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tZFHnnIfzr+kiwzC7GMCVKeBpbFjmFdq55kKDswVg7I=; b=ZlLMw0T1UCe+Mu9e3MLSQD4Kti4t86/R8MRMeOmOffyQmROFawHr0iRR5b6dPIXknp 4/u47Jl3/n+APpkmQpzpbRoI6bqBdYqDSya/yhJveU8epqfxu5Rpq6hhZ3jMJTS6hLKS RPKRCMVoxIBF1NGpZufbly71xFSj2a2i0fTMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=l4lEydFzC4kB/Fxg4UmsDskPLS7iq1H3T5bNsCMbP9AHqBiu36QKGnPQQiQRhuFZRZ CoS0hKb2OLH9Q+dby1LZUYeX9/4IHlEdytj3z/SFUDeinoPuX1pq7uRZaU04hpLyIGzw ZYppDQD576PXm/p+qFIKwkf3HWDEHEjTi2mOk= Received: by 10.142.177.7 with SMTP id z7mr920733wfe.281.1229625718953; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.133.13 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:41:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7fec743f0812181041r50c147eoa77411ff497f635f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:41:58 -0800 From: Tankko To: "Daniel Bye" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081218183015.GH5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7fec743f0812180854o2e66bee2m8369eba789290758@mail.gmail.com> <20081218183015.GH5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> Cc: Subject: Re: /tmp running out of inodes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:42:01 -0000 > As Kirk has already said, you need to figure why this is happening in > the first place, but there is a periodic job which can help keep /tmp > tidy for you. It is in /etc/periodic/daily/110.clean-tmps and can be > enabled with this in /etc/periodic.conf: > > daily_clean_tmps_enable="YES" > > You can tailor its behaviour depending on your needs - look for the > relevant knobs in /etc/defaults/periodic.conf > Thank you for all your help. I now understand what is going wrong. Thanks again! Tankko From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 18:57:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E2F1065670; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8882A8FC12; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp15.yandex.ru (smtp15.yandex.ru [77.88.32.85]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id DC1C34C54B1; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:57:45 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 200-203-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net ([91.124.203.200]:30736 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S4866214AbYLRS5k (ORCPT + 4 others); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:57:40 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp15 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229626660 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 20 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp15.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:57:44 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <174660154.20081218205744@yandex.ru> To: "David Weintraub" In-Reply-To: References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> <200812180805.36858.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <869279445.20081218100354@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mel , users@subversion.tigris.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:57:48 -0000 , David. DW> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:03 AM, KES wrote: >> , Mel. >> >> 18 2008 ., 9:05:35: >> >> M> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 21:02:07 KES wrote: >>>> , Mel. >>>> >>>> 17 2008 ., 9:11:19: >>>> >>>> M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >>>> >> , Polytropon. >>>> >> >>>> >> 14 2008 ., 15:11:35: >>>> >> >>>> >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >>>> >> >>>> >> P> wrote: >>>> >> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >>>> >> >> > kes# pw user show svn >>>> >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >>>> >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> >> >> > Starting svnserve. >>>> >> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> try to change directory to existent >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >>>> >> >>>> >> home# uname -a >>>> >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 >>>> >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >>>> >> i386 home# pw user show svn >>>> >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >>>> >> >>>> >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it >>>> >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group >>>> >> >>>> >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >>>> >> does not work on >>>> >> kes# uname -a >>>> >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 >>>> >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 >>>> >> kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 >>>> >>>> M> echo 'rc_debug="YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf >>>> M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> >>>> M> Show output from /var/log/messages. >>>> >>>> kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to >>>> YES. Starting svnserve. >>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c 'sh >>>> -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r >>>> /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry >> >> M> Does this command work from the command line? >> M> If not, does it work if called as su -fm rather then su -m? >> M> If that does not work, does the primary group svn is supposed to be in exist? >> >> >> kes# su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >> su: Sorry >> kes# su -fm svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >> su: Sorry >> kes# pw group show svn >> svn:*:1005: >> kes# cat /etc/group | grep svn >> svn:*:1005: >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> >> As you see it does not work also with -fm option >> >> >> Also I notice next differences between FreeBDS 7.0 and 7.1 (detail below) >> Notice that on both system account is locked, has no valid shell and >> home directory >> on FreeBSD 7.0 when I try to login with svn user it says: This account is currently not available. >> on FreeBSD 7.1 when I try to login with svn user it says: su: Sorry >> Maybe there is a problem with su on FreeBSD 7.1? >> >> >> >> home# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >> home# su svn >> This account is currently not available. >> >> >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> kes# su svn >> su: Sorry >> kes# pw user mod svn -s /usr/bin/nologin >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/bin/nologin >> kes# su svn >> su: Sorry >> DW> Why don't you setup "sudo" and see if that will work for you? I've DW> always found sudo much less troublesome than "su". DW> Then, you can modify your startup script to use sudo instead of "su". Why maintainer of rc.subr use 'su' instead of 'sudo'? Maybe su has some benefit I do not know. If I edit standart rc.subr to use sudo instead of 'su' there maybe other sripts will not sturtup. -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 18:57:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E2F1065670; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8882A8FC12; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp15.yandex.ru (smtp15.yandex.ru [77.88.32.85]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id DC1C34C54B1; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:57:45 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 200-203-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net ([91.124.203.200]:30736 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S4866214AbYLRS5k (ORCPT + 4 others); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:57:40 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp15 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229626660 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 20 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp15.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:57:44 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <174660154.20081218205744@yandex.ru> To: "David Weintraub" In-Reply-To: References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> <200812180805.36858.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <869279445.20081218100354@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mel , users@subversion.tigris.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:57:48 -0000 , David. DW> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:03 AM, KES wrote: >> , Mel. >> >> 18 2008 ., 9:05:35: >> >> M> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 21:02:07 KES wrote: >>>> , Mel. >>>> >>>> 17 2008 ., 9:11:19: >>>> >>>> M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >>>> >> , Polytropon. >>>> >> >>>> >> 14 2008 ., 15:11:35: >>>> >> >>>> >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >>>> >> >>>> >> P> wrote: >>>> >> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >>>> >> >> > kes# pw user show svn >>>> >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >>>> >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> >> >> > Starting svnserve. >>>> >> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> try to change directory to existent >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >>>> >> >>>> >> home# uname -a >>>> >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 >>>> >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >>>> >> i386 home# pw user show svn >>>> >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >>>> >> >>>> >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it >>>> >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group >>>> >> >>>> >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >>>> >> does not work on >>>> >> kes# uname -a >>>> >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 >>>> >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 >>>> >> kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 >>>> >>>> M> echo 'rc_debug="YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf >>>> M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> >>>> M> Show output from /var/log/messages. >>>> >>>> kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to >>>> YES. Starting svnserve. >>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c 'sh >>>> -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r >>>> /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry >> >> M> Does this command work from the command line? >> M> If not, does it work if called as su -fm rather then su -m? >> M> If that does not work, does the primary group svn is supposed to be in exist? >> >> >> kes# su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >> su: Sorry >> kes# su -fm svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >> su: Sorry >> kes# pw group show svn >> svn:*:1005: >> kes# cat /etc/group | grep svn >> svn:*:1005: >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> >> As you see it does not work also with -fm option >> >> >> Also I notice next differences between FreeBDS 7.0 and 7.1 (detail below) >> Notice that on both system account is locked, has no valid shell and >> home directory >> on FreeBSD 7.0 when I try to login with svn user it says: This account is currently not available. >> on FreeBSD 7.1 when I try to login with svn user it says: su: Sorry >> Maybe there is a problem with su on FreeBSD 7.1? >> >> >> >> home# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >> home# su svn >> This account is currently not available. >> >> >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> kes# su svn >> su: Sorry >> kes# pw user mod svn -s /usr/bin/nologin >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/bin/nologin >> kes# su svn >> su: Sorry >> DW> Why don't you setup "sudo" and see if that will work for you? I've DW> always found sudo much less troublesome than "su". DW> Then, you can modify your startup script to use sudo instead of "su". Why maintainer of rc.subr use 'su' instead of 'sudo'? Maybe su has some benefit I do not know. If I edit standart rc.subr to use sudo instead of 'su' there maybe other sripts will not sturtup. -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 19:01:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04A51065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3078FC1D for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBIJ11LE060984; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:01:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 11689BA84; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:01:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:01:00 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Alain BATARD Message-ID: <20081218190100.GA77634@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9amGYk9869ThD9tj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:01:07 -0000 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 09:39:17AM +0100, Alain BATARD wrote: > I am M. Alain BATARD and i work in a formation center. > For my Unix course i use Freebsd (V 7), we recently change our computers = for > laptops (Compaq 6820s) these computers are equipped with integrated video= : > ATI Mobility Radeon X1350, after looking for drivers to launch Xorg, i can > only use the very poor video in VGA mode, is there any possibilities to f= ind > the good driver even by using xorgconfig or manually ? This chip is not yet fully supported by Xorg (although support is coming along).=20 You can use either the xf86-video-radeonhd or the xf86-video-ati drivers =66rom the ports collection. It should work fine for 2D (radeonhd should have some 2D hardware accelleration), but not hardware accellerated 3D yet AFAIK. Among other things, the kernel component needed for that needs updating. It is being worked on in 8-CURRENT. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklKnewACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUItQCbB+RJa/S/Mjmq6Nb+wSDKHiqN lK8AnAwqONeUbYQheDNTwMgTQXhLHf7/ =YcnO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 19:04:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345211065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:04:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C044E8FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.4.1 anthesphoria.net mBIJ4M8O025492 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1229627068; bh=BbEXXaSzsP2cyI+AP8EZKFc+rjAqDe/elRqdrRQja 8c=; l=1571; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint:X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e9ktuRZWPkarefDtBy21epOm nd9O+nwXSqGfoEcbtpFo1oO4tQYCDPfD7qYe4RgEqw/Lg+NYPfm4UyBntq2XEW2LGgZ U6sxbWkYNKdeorQtYRB80D5JHjwYtQjoseHM2o26BvBF7uEgd6aQ+ArL8huP7F9dAQW PLX3QUqelsp6g= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-200-199.eunet.yu [213.198.200.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBIJ4M8O025492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:04:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:00:14 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: "Alain BATARD" Message-ID: <20081218200014.4894f7dc@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE/i386 X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver: x-hkp://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Video driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:04:33 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:39:17 +0100 "Alain BATARD" wrote: =20 > I am M. Alain BATARD and i work in a formation center. > For my Unix course i use Freebsd (V 7), we recently change our > computers for laptops (Compaq 6820s) these computers are equipped > with integrated video : ATI Mobility Radeon X1350, after looking for > drivers to launch Xorg, i can only use the very poor video in VGA > mode, is there any possibilities to find the good driver even by > using xorgconfig or manually ? With Mobility Radeon X1350 on FreeBSD you will get the best results using x11-drivers/xf86-video-radeonhd (Driver "radeonhd" in xorg.conf): http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd/plain/README http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd (The closed-source fglrx driver is provided for Linux only.) The instructions on how to configure X: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html HTH - --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 =3D =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0= =B5=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B fingerprint : FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iJwEAQEDAAYFAklKncIACgkQ/MM/0rYIoZihywP+JPYa6B0NSGLL6MdV92vAaMjs cNhNMqNrSQ7gTkFDr65sE4quyczuV4eL8RfX11WnmlWPl80hP3SHxfKLwrHgJDbd N0RUx/xDLWmjkSbuBhS1y2WgK7SrM4+kSZ3/97uFj8VMcN3/fHA5udSOuRwp/P3x YaHbZS03x0KRIvA+g9Q=3D =3Dnw9Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 19:27:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80823106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:27:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1E48FC21 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:27:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 10501 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 19:25:05 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Dec 2008 19:25:05 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 163D75084D; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:25:02 -0500 (EST) To: KES References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> <200812180805.36858.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <869279445.20081218100354@yandex.ru> <174660154.20081218205744@yandex.ru> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:25:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <174660154.20081218205744@yandex.ru> (KES's message of "Thu\, 18 Dec 2008 20\:57\:44 +0200") Message-ID: <441vw5p9pt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:27:34 -0000 KES writes: > Why maintainer of rc.subr use 'su' instead of 'sudo'? Maybe su has > some benefit I do not know. If I edit standart rc.subr to use sudo > instead of 'su' there maybe other sripts will not sturtup. su is in the base system, and sudo is not. Therefore sudo won't be used in scripts that are part of the base system. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 19:29:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6281106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C447C8FC20 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so784602wfg.7 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:29:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=DGsXtX70kSFY/HzOExIOEsWVTFHxcZtqDieVxTIGR8U=; b=utjxaYqjPYdhEjbxVZMDt0RXLAF7XcZTI2/6Y9oX0W0ITI9DXBr53NHMl5+liK0AOz iZi7Vb407hFf0IwJsrkx/4YDBAxbs5Fh0EJfbWZc4zd6Fn134TTym31gZxtX37/iLO4X bSx5BSnfJBw2RoyS6yIaRYhQ4k0fBftiZeKk8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=atzHiHeRxyECAVLNJ9+o7FMIGTAWsyZs/VdKo1x5Twua6znmExeBACPMq+8q/AGrNZ rAgi9qbMCrdBDheOk2o0joR1+4oddiMZ6UgTM00EUI7qIPXot+CRyl9dZYv74T4RRKQ0 VjI9oj8gKLlOjtawJKFkdrSAk5aBlB4AYIH9w= Received: by 10.142.156.2 with SMTP id d2mr949522wfe.47.1229628577502; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.7 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:29:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:29:37 -0800 From: "Kurt Buff" To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Firefox, or FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:29:38 -0000 I'm visiting various web sites, and having a stupid little issue which is really annoying. FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #4: Sun Dec 14 22:08:22 PST 2008 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 FireFox 3.04. For instance, if I go to http://www.wsj.com, among others, it's constantly beeping, as the little headline scroller at the top of the page updates. I can't find anywhere in the menu items, or in FF help, on how to turn the beeping off, and it's driving me nuts. Anyone have a hint for me? Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 19:30:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E958F1065676 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: from ourbrains.org (li48-221.members.linode.com [66.246.76.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FFF98FC12 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan-freebsd-questions@ourbrains.org) Received: (qmail 8682 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Dec 2008 19:31:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:31:13 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218193113.GA8652@ourbrains.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> <64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com> <49442D1B.4000608@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081213225041.P44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49443793.9030404@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <49443793.9030404@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:30:53 -0000 Matthew Seaman(m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk)@2008.12.13 22:30:43 +0000: > Sure LDAP is complicated, but it's of the same order of complexity as a > RDBMS system like MySQL. And like MySQL, there are right times, places > and ways to use it, and wrong ones too. Yes, there is a lot of complexit= y, > but that means there's a lot of flexibility too. > Cheers, > > Matthew I can't disagree more. LDAP is way simpler than any SQL database, even SQLite. That said because people are not familiar/don't grock the simplicity of LDAP, they decide to use SQL databases (partly because everyone else does). Now that we have had LDAP for so many years, insisting on using SQL for authentication/authorization and directory services is just not wise. This is similar to using Apache/PHP/MySQL by default when other, simpler/better options are available. "Everyone=20 else does LAMP, so will I." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 19:36:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DA91065674 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:36:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C5C8FC1C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:36:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.140] (helo=smtp9.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDOfl-0008Uu-Fo for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:36:37 +0100 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp9.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDOfh-0005NC-DX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:36:33 +0100 Received: from [192.168.13.173] (NLBEK31LJCLJZ1J.egypt.nl [192.168.13.173]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA07639887 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:36:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <494AA63A.8090600@boosten.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:36:26 +0100 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> <64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com> <49442D1B.4000608@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081213225041.P44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49443793.9030404@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081218193113.GA8652@ourbrains.org> In-Reply-To: <20081218193113.GA8652@ourbrains.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1LDOfh-0005NC-DX X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.413, required 5, BAYES_00 -2.60, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50, SPF_NEUTRAL 0.69) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:36:39 -0000 Dan wrote: > Matthew Seaman(m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk)@2008.12.13 22:30:43 +0000: >> Sure LDAP is complicated, but it's of the same order of complexity as a >> RDBMS system like MySQL. And like MySQL, there are right times, places >> and ways to use it, and wrong ones too. Yes, there is a lot of complexity, >> but that means there's a lot of flexibility too. > >> Cheers, >> >> Matthew > > I can't disagree more. LDAP is way simpler than any SQL database, even > SQLite. That said because people are not familiar/don't grock the > simplicity of LDAP, they decide to use SQL databases (partly because > everyone else does). For the persistent ones: you can have openldap with a mysql backend :-) I agree completely. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 19:39:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB48106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7E48FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.140] (helo=smtp9.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDOiC-0000FP-Bc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:39:08 +0100 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp9.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDOiB-00057B-Dq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:39:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.13.173] (NLBEK31LJCLJZ1J.egypt.nl [192.168.13.173]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1983239887 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:38:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <494AA6D3.20006@boosten.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:38:59 +0100 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212120557.V3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9bbcef730812120426t3c4b8a28q337c8379cd947702@mail.gmail.com> <20081212141156.E4001@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812120527w7b22d8a1m860cbf308e4b67c3@mail.gmail.com> <64b284310812120645m6c5ee122mb0510014343eff3f@mail.gmail.com> <49442D1B.4000608@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081213225041.P44804@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49443793.9030404@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081218193113.GA8652@ourbrains.org> <494AA63A.8090600@boosten.org> In-Reply-To: <494AA63A.8090600@boosten.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1LDOiB-00057B-Dq X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.413, required 5, BAYES_00 -2.60, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50, SPF_NEUTRAL 0.69) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: Centralized DB of "system" users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:39:10 -0000 Peter Boosten wrote: > Dan wrote: >> >> I can't disagree more. LDAP is way simpler than any SQL database, even >> SQLite. That said because people are not familiar/don't grock the >> simplicity of LDAP, they decide to use SQL databases (partly because >> everyone else does). > > For the persistent ones: you can have openldap with a mysql backend :-) > I agree completely. > ... with Dans' comment. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 20:11:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A381065674 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5248FC12 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [69.69.69.183] ([69.70.93.206]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KC300ECL9E720C0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:10:55 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <494AAED8.2020809@optiksecurite.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:13:12 -0500 From: FreeBSD User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> <20081218171135.GF5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> In-reply-to: <20081218171135.GF5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:11:46 -0000 Daniel Bye a crit : > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:02:06PM -0500, FreeBSD wrote: >> Daniel Bye a ?crit : >>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:28:18AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: >>>> On Thursday 18 December 2008 09:16:10 FreeBSD wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I have a FreeBSD 7.0-Release server that started to swap after an error >>>>> in a shell script (process spawning competition ;-) ). I killed the >>>>> shell and the RAM is now OK. The problem is that the swap is still used. >>>>> How can I "reset" the swap? >>>> You don't. The system will handle it for you, I promise. :-) >>> And very well, too. >>> >>> You can prompt it to move pages back into RAM if you start using a swapped- >>> out process again - say, for example, a quiescent word processor had been >>> swapped out, you could get it back by raising it and starting to type. >>> >>> But as Kirk said, there really is no need. It's one of the kernel's many >>> jobs, and I'm inclined to leave it get on with it! >>> >>> Dan >>> >> Thanks for your answer. I'm asking here because it's been several days >> and there is still used swap for data that should never be used anymore. >> If the kernel wants to keep it, why not move it to RAM now that there is >> some free? > > Because it has swapped out an entire process, which hasn't subsequently > been woken up again. It's you that says the data are never going to be > needed again - the kernel doesn't know that, so keeps the pages there in > swap until you either reawaken the process, or kill it, at which point > the swap space they occupied will be freed up. > > You can see which processes are swapped out in top - the process name is > in parentheses. If it is irking you sufficiently, you can kill the > processes and reclaim your swap ;-) > > Dan > I can't see any process within parentheses in top... I also looked at the -f option of ps but the process that caused the swapping are not listed. Thanks for helping me clarify this. Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 20:19:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4127106567F for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5BB8FC14 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38D253EA0CD for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:19:28 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E2UTe2mk3OzY for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:19:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44DE553EA04A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:19:26 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:19:20 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.3 (Linux/2.6.27-9-generic; KDE/4.1.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <20081218171135.GF5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494AAED8.2020809@optiksecurite.com> In-Reply-To: <494AAED8.2020809@optiksecurite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812181419.20761.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:19:29 -0000 On Thursday 18 December 2008 14:13:12 FreeBSD wrote: > I can't see any process within parentheses in top... I also looked at > the -f option of ps but the process that caused the swapping are not > listed. Dude. For real. Quit sweating it. Let the system do what it needs to do; chances are it's already done what you want. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 21:17:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C701065675 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068D68FC21 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBILGxV8082334; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:17:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 786C0BA84; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:16:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:16:59 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Kurt Buff Message-ID: <20081218211659.GA81292@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox, or FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:17:02 -0000 --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:29:37AM -0800, Kurt Buff wrote: > I'm visiting various web sites, and having a stupid little issue which > is really annoying. >=20 > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #4: Sun Dec 14 22:08:22 > PST 2008 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Same here. > FireFox 3.04. Ditto, with NoScript and AdBlock Plus extensions. =20 > For instance, if I go to http://www.wsj.com, among others, it's > constantly beeping, as the little headline scroller at the top of the > page updates. No headline scroller and no beeps here. > I can't find anywhere in the menu items, or in FF help, on how to turn > the beeping off, and it's driving me nuts. > > Anyone have a hint for me? Install NoScript and AdBlock Plus. It makes for a much nicer web experience, IMHO. Roland. --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklKvcsACgkQEnfvsMMhpyU3lACgh6tS1hBicB4sL3wRsLgG9N6u 2g8An2+6vrEZBJ8gpJUmrkJ+ZKpLuMgV =xJDq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 21:28:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294051065678 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:28:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036AC8FC17 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so849901wfg.7 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:28:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ne/lbybwZ3SypqHaK23tQ12wloA+Jj1F2Loya4HQHPM=; b=eli8j+ySuEI2j62EpabDknNHhdW27TINWXiwjuC6mW7C8xkdUToUnY+eiwU23TJLx0 JewvGFMOx2CHZouRDch1fSBcNoxOSxZzXpIH+01ItHK++DfGiu3GAbYio6BipjjOwZZ2 MiWs1jshjFaq7cLwc6hw8aRqHWo9oWyb4FmH8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=tjc+VWPgrRDf0qwx60bTxLRivUr52Qjc08l6XPGILe1SGLWwmqrhptjcUsvcDPDmt/ W5BJfBlakOZI5qVlxshvlAlOt1jHPdQd3hXHBNXfNuVIxcLWnnW5VpKxrEOx59/zY16v QmPDCnJrqK5a+uH4lih5itfxcSPUuKHeIxPBI= Received: by 10.142.169.4 with SMTP id r4mr987311wfe.105.1229635684690; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.7 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:28:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:28:04 -0800 From: "Kurt Buff" To: "Roland Smith" In-Reply-To: <20081218211659.GA81292@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081218211659.GA81292@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox, or FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:28:05 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:29:37AM -0800, Kurt Buff wrote: >> I'm visiting various web sites, and having a stupid little issue which >> is really annoying. >> >> FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #4: Sun Dec 14 22:08:22 >> PST 2008 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > Same here. > >> FireFox 3.04. > > Ditto, with NoScript and AdBlock Plus extensions. > >> For instance, if I go to http://www.wsj.com, among others, it's >> constantly beeping, as the little headline scroller at the top of the >> page updates. > > No headline scroller and no beeps here. > >> I can't find anywhere in the menu items, or in FF help, on how to turn >> the beeping off, and it's driving me nuts. >> >> Anyone have a hint for me? > > Install NoScript and AdBlock Plus. It makes for a much nicer web > experience, IMHO. > > Roland. Heh. I have those, but actually *want* the headline scroller, and some of those other things - I just want the silly beep to go away. It seems to do this on any page that does autoupdates - gmail does it too, when a new message comes in. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 21:39:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B731065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:39:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Patrick.Baldwin@studsvik.com) Received: from bostonserver.studsvik-analytic.com (firewall.studsvik-analytic.com [155.212.59.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F768FC18 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Patrick.Baldwin@studsvik.com) Received: from [192.168.169.115] (eddie [192.168.169.115]) by bostonserver.studsvik-analytic.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id mBILHNfv017015; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:17:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:25:51 -0500 From: Patrick Baldwin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Cc: Patrick.Baldwin@studsvik.com Subject: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:39:43 -0000 Usually I'm asking questions for work related things. This one is more personal. My father has this tendency to end up wrecking his computer if he uses the Internet much. Computers are basically magic boxes to him, so education is of limited usefulness here. I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really locked-down, high security box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the Web, and a little light word processing. What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? -- Patrick Baldwin Systems Administrator Studsvik Scandpower 617-965-7455 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 21:46:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB521065679 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f19.google.com (mail-bw0-f19.google.com [209.85.218.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A128FC12 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1834612bwz.19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:46:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=UFbliX/PY8+XqVhkXgh1sxmGLEpBHPsbYBPkteUwgF0=; b=Vxgmyttm4ZbT73b2J0WGC0gljdlc03BuUEop/6ZB1biS2f9EhXlMqwDutbrUCUDyJr oystU7XNOkA6YtX6zXmJR3CbtVuyOWsDM6/hC6884JlxNN6c4DRwxRth/EzsKj9V2vFX 3jNr9R+ICGo+/+FbncyZI1TzCoWJjblqcBgNw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BK94grDuYxsd8EEM9TiM8y7b9tVZWG+52fBH+QOT0C1+WGk3h7bMwGLwS3pwchzw0D Oi/DvfEuboQWzuZEe+lldpCCKYhMqn0WhFCxBLwrPaQAIy4HgfRu56XMEZrRlim9BdxZ DBcT8RnO2/YlkWoeR7tuX8jEvGfYAlVYv3bNY= Received: by 10.102.228.10 with SMTP id a10mr963415muh.26.1229636784495; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.91.11 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:46:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812181346i2539ca78x2cd581f09dfa073d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:24 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: "Patrick Baldwin" In-Reply-To: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:46:29 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick Baldwin wrote: > Usually I'm asking questions for work related things. This one is more > personal. > My father has this tendency to end up wrecking his computer if he uses the > Internet > much. Computers are basically magic boxes to him, so education is of > limited usefulness > here. > Are you willing to maintain the machine for him? > I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really locked-down, > high security > box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the Web, and a > little > light word processing. > Word processing won't be a problem, but internet 'toys' like Flash will be a problem, unless you use some wine+firefox workaround. > What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? I think the idea's good, as long as you are willing to fix it when if it breaks on him. -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 21:51:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18514106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3898FC18 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4426816C001E; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:51:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBILpCKC035196; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:51:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:51:11 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Patrick Baldwin Message-Id: <20081218225111.ce261e3d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:51:20 -0000 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:25:51 -0500, Patrick Baldwin wrote: > I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really > locked-down, high security > box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the Web, > and a little > light word processing. > > What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? hi Patrick, I had a similar "problem" with my parents, so I built a system (FreeBSD 6 were the times) which is completely suffficient for their needs, similar as you mentioned above, and it's still running today without any problems. basically, the system runs XFCE 4, Firefox and Opera, Sylpheed (as a standalone mail client), OpenOffice for the usual office stuff, and some multimedia components including mplayer and xmms. If your father is interested in "Flash", well... there *may* be problems using FreeBSD. With "problem" I mean it's a bit more work to do for *you* in order to get it up and running (configuration), but having a look at the improving implementations of "Flash", it will be better and better with most of the "Flash" polluted web sites. :-) Everything else you mentioned is definitely *not* of any kind of problem for FreeBSD. Before installing anything new, try to monitor a bit what your father does and how he does it. These observations will help you to create a system that fits his needs perfectly. Maybe XFCE 4 is not your way to go, maybe KDE or Gnome are better. Keep an eye on eventually present peripherials, such as printers, digital cameras, USB sticks or MP3 players. They need a bit more configuration ("automated wrapper scripts") in order not to scare the user. It's not impossible. Trust me, I'm doing this since 4.0. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 21:53:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F40106564A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp184.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp184.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56218FC18 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 233B2208C6B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 0C98D208C62 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:35 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:31 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: ports and disaster recovery Thread-Index: AclhWxDiiO3wvBUDUkyj1kiLKzyHPw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: ports and disaster recovery X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:53:36 -0000 i'm thinking about how to prepare for disaster recovery, e.g. a disk fails and is replaced, on a server in a group of remote servers. assume that policy and procedures are in place to keep freebsd up to date and portmaster is used to keep ports up to date. my idea is to use portmaster -gt at initial setup so that reconfiguration and compilation of the ports can be avoided. backups of /usr/ports/packages would be kept on each server in the group so they can be quickly copied back to the repaired server with the new disk. what, if any, other data besides the package .tbz files do i need backup and restore to get installed ports back to baseline? is anything from /var/db required? and what about the order of tasks in the restore? 1. datacenter staff install freebsd X.Y-RELEASE from CD then i remotely : 2. freebsd-update 3. restore the packages from neighboring server in the group 4. install ports from the packages with pkg_add 5. restore application, local config files and resume service then 6. portsnap and all the remaining tidy up or does 6 need to go before 4? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 22:00:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6B61065702 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510F78FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1229636424; h=From:Subject:Date:To:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=38uu1UkS2JdTKEMHWqR7St4tXIg=; b=T/iZcPTsx3Zz6ib7h9GOYYP/+TtV6prvk2fyTPw/uDnA0WTk9sabecNnVQEuUI9T Bn9sEdBTepC7hd5N7OhsPwQyLMaORfb4scbtmxZH7c5XOnk4N2O58nmkogTBRqsj; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4RBYjOCEAAAA:8 a=WqJadr5UDfTJ6z05RlEA:9 a=SX8RbjKsKXNCxgH4HZoA:7 a=E4oWgSLfOD0dl0fzrrRR8bZDAgkA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=rpratt1950@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [74.5.188.103] ([74.5.188.103:56659] helo=kt.weeeble.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.36 r(27513/27514)) with ESMTPA id 3E/BE-18017-743CA494; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:40:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:40:22 -0500 From: Randy Pratt To: "Kurt Buff" Message-Id: <20081218164022.e71cfe5a.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20081218211659.GA81292@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox, or FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:00:25 -0000 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:28:04 -0800 "Kurt Buff" wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:29:37AM -0800, Kurt Buff wrote: > >> I'm visiting various web sites, and having a stupid little issue which > >> is really annoying. > >> > >> FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #4: Sun Dec 14 22:08:22 > >> PST 2008 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > > > Same here. > > > >> FireFox 3.04. > > > > Ditto, with NoScript and AdBlock Plus extensions. > > > >> For instance, if I go to http://www.wsj.com, among others, it's > >> constantly beeping, as the little headline scroller at the top of the > >> page updates. > > > > No headline scroller and no beeps here. > > > >> I can't find anywhere in the menu items, or in FF help, on how to turn > >> the beeping off, and it's driving me nuts. > >> > >> Anyone have a hint for me? > > > > Install NoScript and AdBlock Plus. It makes for a much nicer web > > experience, IMHO. > > > > Roland. > > Heh. > > I have those, but actually *want* the headline scroller, and some of > those other things - I just want the silly beep to go away. It seems > to do this on any page that does autoupdates - gmail does it too, when > a new message comes in. I'm on 6.4-STABLE and the "Breaking News" and "Latest Headlines" are present but no beeping. If you can't find the problem you can shut off the beeping with: xset -b off Of course, the downside is it turns off _all_ beeping for everthing. Randy -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 22:06:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD0C1065678 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Received: from shell.msen.com (msen.com [148.59.86.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BB68FC12 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) X-Sent-To: Received: from [192.168.0.145] (216-150-227-175.static.webandnetworksolutions.com [216.150.227.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.msen.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBILhTeD000786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:43:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Message-ID: <494AC402.20503@msen.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:43:30 -0500 From: Mark Moellering User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081218145818.GA13985@aurora.oekb.co.at> In-Reply-To: <20081218145818.GA13985@aurora.oekb.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=216.150.227.175; envelope-from= Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=216.150.227.175; helo=[192.168.0.145] X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: shell.msen.com; Sender-ip: 216.150.227.175; Sender-helo: [192.168.0.145]; ) Subject: Re: 7.1 RC1 - problems with Intel Pro/1000 NIC (em0)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:06:01 -0000 Ewald Jenisch wrote: > Hi, > > After installing FreeBSD 7.1 RC1 from the DVD-image I found that the > PC in question has no LAN connectivity upon reboot. > > The PC has an Intel GE builtin NIC showing up as "Intel PRO/1000 > Network Connection 6.9.6" in dmesg. > > For the problem: Though IP-Adress, default-GW etc. are correctly set > the box can't e.g. ping anything on the net; neither on the local lan > nor across the default-gw. Same the other way round: machine can't be > ping-ed, not even from the local subnet. > > What's interesting though is that on both the LAN-Switch and the PC > ("ifconfig") the interface shows up as connected. Even more > interesting: the MAC-address of the PC-nic shows up on the > corresponding LAN-Switch. So there definitely is "some form of > connectivity". > > When starting a "tcpdump" there's no output - so obviously nothing is > coming into the machine form the network. > > To cross-check I've > > a) swapped the patch-cable for another one - no change > > b) tried Ubuntu (Linux) from the Live-CD - under Ubuntu I've got full > LAN-connectivity without any problems > > so it must be something FreeBSD related... > > Has anybody out there had problems with an Intel GE-Nic ("em0") under > 7.1? > > Thanks in advance for any clue, > -ewald > > _______________________________________________ > > There was a note on the intel em chipset. most of them are being renamed to igb, that could be part of the problem. You may need to check the hardware notes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 22:09:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476F61065674 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEFF8FC1A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so884385ewy.19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:09:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cQ+bddQaGbBGgl4tFw/XLQ1LT1poxAvyokwNLYD24+4=; b=ty5LqPlezsuq0dluWNEQJBaPfXuLU+7Rq+t6q/GKrPG2jC64yeFhTkyyQ88XjYVLVz 9126T96uH8/KElXzmPeockZXhrBTg3lb9/DnX03KOHFj2vaHKrhMKih+2FZ7RsU+N2tO pJwRTBNLulYrvzl+E+E9170un0P9vDLH2bi0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Qe0U63VpfxXEnnitcTrBP5eBnGfm+teDkkJFAbS5ffZ1o83raSDJcnYikeK7BJ7oXh rs5Xs7tgYfxtiII1nO+qt1EZ1HllmpA/S04fvbVI8K0pXuyB4zRHje6nboAG8niaLsdS qk7kiPN2+AmuY0WTpZuVAbgPrJ/wa2+VnqzP4= Received: by 10.210.120.7 with SMTP id s7mr2889736ebc.184.1229638192584; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c25sm19409350ika.14.2008.12.18.14.09.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:09:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:09:48 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218220948.3b39db08@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <494AAED8.2020809@optiksecurite.com> References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> <20081218171135.GF5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494AAED8.2020809@optiksecurite.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:09:54 -0000 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:13:12 -0500 FreeBSD wrote: > I can't see any process within parentheses in top... I also looked at > the -f option of ps but the process that caused the swapping are not > listed. > FreeBSD only swaps in extreme cases - most of the time it's paging instead. If it really worries you: swapoff -a ; swapon -a From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 22:19:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FBC1065678 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dyioulos@firstbhph.com) Received: from mail1.firstbhph.com (65.105.102.163.ptr.us.xo.net [65.105.102.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE188FC22 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:19:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dyioulos@firstbhph.com) Received: from [192.168.100.52] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.firstbhph.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBILuLFl021538 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:56:27 -0500 From: Dimitri Yioulos Organization: First 1 Financial Corporation To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:56:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> In-Reply-To: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812181656.22579.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> X-Synonym: Copied by Synonym (http://www.modulo.ro/synonym) to: archive@firstbhph.com X-First1-MailScanner-Information: Please contact First 1 Financial Corporation for more information X-First1-MailScanner-ID: mBILuLFl021538 X-First1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-First1-MailScanner-MCPCheck: MCP-Clean, MCP-Checker (score=0, required 1) X-MailScanner-From: dyioulos@firstbhph.com X-MailScanner-To: archive@firstbhph.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-First1-MailScanner-Watermark: 1230242189.84232@PARL7WcuuS92yOPGViTLGw Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dyioulos@firstbhph.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:19:17 -0000 On Thursday 18 December 2008 4:25 pm, Patrick Baldwin wrote: > Usually I'm asking questions for work related things. This one is more > personal. > My father has this tendency to end up wrecking his computer if he uses > the Internet > much. Computers are basically magic boxes to him, so education is of > limited usefulness > here. > > I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really > locked-down, high security > box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the Web, > and a little > light word processing. > > What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? > > -- > Patrick Baldwin > Systems Administrator > Studsvik Scandpower > 617-965-7455 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hope everyone doesn't jump all over me ('tis the holiday season, after all), but why not try gOS. It's mainly button driven, so not much can be messed up (on second thought, I have some lusers who probably could mess it up :-) ). Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 22:42:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93131065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:42:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-34.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-34.bluehost.com [69.89.18.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D84D8FC12 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:42:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 8906 invoked by uid 0); 18 Dec 2008 22:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 22:41:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=KCk2l7uQd4Y6noALPpKHXp0JUI48ED0zEuRhxEQ84m+A+Qmr5yq3Qkadu4swJgtPcZY8cU47RrVtzmIQ0Sjbk1ojgSUVyC09RQr+tRK5VWS6vMReuGAJBaRw59eIiqma; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDRYd-000872-8Z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:41:29 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:40:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:40:52 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081218224052.GB5674@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:42:33 -0000 --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:25:51PM -0500, Patrick Baldwin wrote: > Usually I'm asking questions for work related things. This one is more= =20 > personal. > My father has this tendency to end up wrecking his computer if he uses=20 > the Internet > much. Computers are basically magic boxes to him, so education is of=20 > limited usefulness > here. >=20 > I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really=20 > locked-down, high security > box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the Web,=20 > and a little > light word processing. >=20 > What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? =20 In general, I think FreeBSD is an *excellent* choice for this. You should consider specifics of your particular case, of course, but based on what you said I see no reason that FreeBSD shouldn't meet your needs exceedingly well. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] print substr("Just another Perl hacker", 0, -2); --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklK0XQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXREwCeMnjb4IL5UbBHqgJCguTFskgp 1YQAni0Rnc4g6V1sVn+7OeWFOx+MH2as =NQmI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 23:09:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADB41065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:09:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from mx1.identry.com (on.identry.com [66.111.0.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0418E8FC1C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: (qmail 22288 invoked by uid 89); 18 Dec 2008 23:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.110?) (jalmberg@75.127.142.66) by mx1.identry.com with ESMTPA; 18 Dec 2008 23:09:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E775C10-2B2B-47EB-8834-8E4E0927B32F@identry.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Almberg Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:09:21 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:09:27 -0000 On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Patrick Baldwin wrote: > Usually I'm asking questions for work related things. This one is > more personal. > My father has this tendency to end up wrecking his computer if he > uses the Internet > much. Computers are basically magic boxes to him, so education is > of limited usefulness > here. > > I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really locked- > down, high security > box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the > Web, and a little > light word processing. > > What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? I like your idea of getting your father (or anyone, for that matter) off Windows, but I personally don't think Linux or FreeBSD are good desktop choices for 'normal' folk. A much better choice, in my humble opinion, is the inexpensive Apple Mac Mini. The way it works is you unplug the current cpu box and replace it with the Mini. You can use your current monitor, keyboard, printer, camera, etc. Unless some of these peripherals are ancient, it should be all plug and play (no hours of tinkering for you). Your father gets a nice computer that actually does what he wants it to do, and you get a box that you can turn into a FreeBSD *server* that you can use to learn all about running an unix box. I did this for my mom. All she wanted was Internet, email, and Word, but now she's doing all sorts of things that she would never have done with a *nix or Windows box, like getting an iPod for her morning walks, buying audio books from iTunes, taking photos and actually being able to download and print them(!), working on a family tree, etc. Best of all, it only took me a few minutes of work to set up and show her how it worked. If she wants to learn something new, she can take a lesson at the Apple Store. It's amazing how much a 'normal' person can do with a friendly computer. -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 23:48:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8860106567A for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from smtp1.betherenow.co.uk (smtp1.betherenow.co.uk [87.194.0.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 432628FC16 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (93-97-24-219.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.24.219]) by smtp1.betherenow.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEE1980A8; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:48:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <494AE143.3060507@onetel.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:48:19 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.7pre (X11/20081217) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Buff References: <20081218211659.GA81292@slackbox.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox, or FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:48:21 -0000 Kurt Buff wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Roland Smith wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:29:37AM -0800, Kurt Buff wrote: >>> I'm visiting various web sites, and having a stupid little issue which >>> is really annoying. >>> >>> FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #4: Sun Dec 14 22:08:22 >>> PST 2008 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > Heh. > > I have those, but actually *want* the headline scroller, and some of > those other things - I just want the silly beep to go away. It seems > to do this on any page that does autoupdates - gmail does it too, when > a new message comes in. > > Kurt FreeBSD eco 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #1: Tue Dec 16 18:28:48 GMT 2008 root@eco:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Firefox 3.0.4 No beeps from wsj.com. At least none through the sound card which I know works. How can I test whether the pc speaker is working? Have you tried muting things with aumix or mixer? I can post my about:config from Firefox if you like, probably better off list. Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 23:53:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB95B1065674 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:53:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793638FC13 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:53:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBINrk69009478; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id mBINrjx5009475; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:45 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Patrick Baldwin In-Reply-To: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> Message-ID: References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:46 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:53:47 -0000 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Patrick Baldwin wrote: > Usually I'm asking questions for work related things. This one is > more personal. My father has this tendency to end up wrecking his > computer if he uses the Internet much. Computers are basically magic > boxes to him, so education is of limited usefulness here. > > I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really > locked-down, high security box, almost an Internet appliance. All he > really does is use the Web, and a little light word processing. > > What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? A FreeBSD-based XFCE system has worked well for relatives. Firefox for web, Thunderbird for email, other stuff installed but they don't use it. Problems encountered: Proprietary stuff like Flash, Acrobat Reader, Microsoft-only "extensions" can prevent using certain web sites. Flashblock helps, doing it again I'll use evince for PDF support. Unintended user modifications, like dragging a Thunderbird bar off the screen. Naturally, not only did they not know they were doing that, they swore they didn't do it. Hard to debug over the phone when they must use dialup and have only one phone line. "I can't believe it's not Windows" syndrome: the ISP sent a "you have a Windows-only virus" email; I didn't think to have them save it for humor value. The same ISP has broken DHCP which provides the wrong addresses for DNS servers. Works somehow on Windows, had to be manually set on FreeBSD. It might be nice to have a login script that restores user settings each time. With a broadband connection, it would be pretty easy to support. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 23:54:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4171065673 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from mail.scls.lib.wi.us (mail.scls.lib.wi.us [198.150.40.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F9D8FC27 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from [10.1.99.121] (sclpc37.scls.local [10.1.99.121]) by mail.scls.lib.wi.us (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBINMHiu040575; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:22:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Message-ID: <494ADB2A.4070605@scls.lib.wi.us> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:22:18 -0600 From: Greg Barniskis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Buff References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox, or FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:54:56 -0000 Kurt Buff wrote: > I'm visiting various web sites, and having a stupid little issue which > is really annoying. > > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #4: Sun Dec 14 22:08:22 > PST 2008 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > FireFox 3.04. > > For instance, if I go to http://www.wsj.com, among others, it's > constantly beeping, as the little headline scroller at the top of the > page updates. > > I can't find anywhere in the menu items, or in FF help, on how to turn > the beeping off, and it's driving me nuts. > > Anyone have a hint for me? IIRC, a beeping Firefox results as a "feature" of compiling it with debugging options enabled. A quick trip through the Way Back Machine: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2006-March/013973.html No idea if your problem is the same but seems like a good place to poke. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 23:55:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D978C1065670 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp) Received: from imx12.toshiba.co.jp (imx12.toshiba.co.jp [61.202.160.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B36B8FC0C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp) Received: from arc11.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.90.127]) by imx12.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id mBINtdAd004390; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:55:39 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by arc11.toshiba.co.jp id mBINtdmN006611; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:55:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp11.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.90.148] by arc11.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id JAA06610; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:55:38 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp11.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id mBINtcbl027046; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:55:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by toshiba.co.jp id mBINtbHR007123; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:55:37 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <20081218133947.X3203@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> To: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-Id: <200812182355.mBINtbHR007123@toshiba.co.jp> From: kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:55:34 +0900 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tsbnmr3/toshiba(5011HF327 | November 17, 2003) at 2008/12/19 08:51:19 AM, Serialize complete at 2008/12/19 08:51:19 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD subject to the EAR ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:55:42 -0000 Thanks for the reply. This issue is a potential problem for us to offer our medical imaging products made in Japan, which is commingled with the freeBSD, to the embargo countries like Iran, Syria, Sudan, etc. Do we need to get re-export license for our product from BIS or OFAC before shipment from Japan to those countris due to the commingled freeBSD ? Wojciech Puchar wrote on 2008/12/18 21:40:20: > > If the FreeBSD 6.3-release includes encryption software, it may be subject > > to the EAR. > > > > Following is extract part of the EAR. > > > > Part 734.3 : Items subject to the EAR > > > > (b) The following items are not subject to the EAR: > > > > > > (3) Publicly available technology and software, except software > > controlled for > > "EI" reasons under ECCN 5D002 on the Commerce Control List and > > mass market encryption software with symmetric key length exceeding > > 64-bits controlled under ECCN 5D992, that: > if it would be a problem just moving FreeBSD repositories out of US will > fix the problem From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 00:08:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0B81065674 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:08:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-35.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-35.bluehost.com [69.89.18.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 409B38FC13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:08:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 32763 invoked by uid 0); 19 Dec 2008 00:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2008 00:08:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=VkDrYvnzIPnBT1VfCI8NmOIlDlVcVhC2sFUcGQx7YSXPy39AR7MdjiIj+PkuqDvtSIB2B5bEQzrCI891fq0NpFhmewJJZr39yb5PuPghTdQtSXOmMllf/TDsHJMqv8ux; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDSuQ-000514-Dt for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:08:02 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:07:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:07:29 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081219000729.GA5950@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> <4ad871310812181346i2539ca78x2cd581f09dfa073d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812181346i2539ca78x2cd581f09dfa073d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:08:03 -0000 --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:46:24PM -0500, Glen Barber wrote: >=20 > Word processing won't be a problem, but internet 'toys' like Flash > will be a problem, unless you use some wine+firefox workaround. What -- nspluginwrapper doesn't work any longer? --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: "What is the sound of Perl? Is it not the sound of a wall that people have stopped banging their heads against?" --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklK5cEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUrgQCfVjUAS9R98CU2mQvbowkOHgrF /eQAoOVw4dwP/KwMco6qhNjo+ZQVoSNX =I8A4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 00:11:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7AD1065676 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:11:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BE18FC1B for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:11:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so474540fkk.11 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:11:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KbL7VJLXsrvkIUqLQ5+DEMdK0FShz5HaNj0f2TG565E=; b=AVITstgHv4tsryZ/GzpqT768lYGmdN7U7snagZjT7915gACs/7JDTDKdUO0gd9Z3Kh XfgER+WNXUICqLWEQ/4T/c2hdKA2jGoopGNZeXGA+32ccw7jDSpa8PLAstpPRwyP4gto 8/ArCkGNQIr4kd7j96fEn4zMSoE2KXOlMeGWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=TEUisci3X+7oJATGPRRUAKY02wk/KG7jAiYNekmYZlF2z/yOJWuefOrGt8g58mln7h 5w6vb92mOSYhfhlSTCHo4Bl+gW9Bl/AOUJPYj2/NkRH0TmchH2yix3oAuDqCQS5gjuem 3mvKedKFHcIjfdqQ5uhAx+R5I3wfKPjWR7wX4= Received: by 10.103.214.8 with SMTP id r8mr1018241muq.6.1229645516076; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:11:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.91.11 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:11:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812181611j51800f4er1ec825d7422c41a2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:11:56 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081219000729.GA5950@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> <4ad871310812181346i2539ca78x2cd581f09dfa073d@mail.gmail.com> <20081219000729.GA5950@kokopelli.hydra> Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:11:57 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:46:24PM -0500, Glen Barber wrote: >> >> Word processing won't be a problem, but internet 'toys' like Flash >> will be a problem, unless you use some wine+firefox workaround. > > What -- nspluginwrapper doesn't work any longer? > >From personal experience, nspluginwrapper is a memory hog, and only supports Flash 7 (last I used it). -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 00:32:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4900E1065679 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7308FC22 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:32:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 18 Dec 2008 19:32:58 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PIH38514; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 18 Dec 2008 19:32:57 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18762.60345.260840.699344@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:32:57 -0500 To: "Glen Barber" In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812181611j51800f4er1ec825d7422c41a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> <4ad871310812181346i2539ca78x2cd581f09dfa073d@mail.gmail.com> <20081219000729.GA5950@kokopelli.hydra> <4ad871310812181611j51800f4er1ec825d7422c41a2@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:32:59 -0000 Glen Barber writes: > >> Word processing won't be a problem, but internet 'toys' like Flash > >> will be a problem, unless you use some wine+firefox workaround. > > > > What -- nspluginwrapper doesn't work any longer? > > From personal experience, nspluginwrapper is a memory hog, and > only supports Flash 7 (last I used it). Flash 9 + nsplugginwrapper works on -CURRENT starting about a month (I think) ago. Whether the necessary changes will appear in 7.1 I do not know. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 00:38:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5D4106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0638A8FC20 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so964788wfg.7 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:38:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=cYdshL7ohhmW08lnWtgeGF0hxjcCFD3JA5vUESxA7is=; b=uJqg1wGf4x0e+OpyQcKBim44sy1nLMsrepw5MmIZj87l0x9eW2ZdbrV2Fw+QxjnYm5 DXt9LzyAV4Zx26WFBn1Eibpf+eioNYQy3OC9yPJm8tg6yc/zKjTyMpI0uytJsmossW2O af9vGHW4/Mau0ekYRWaxKspmh53F9wsfle8ZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=LsaMS1RJh1Yh7Qy7v2PfSO6mTEG8nMBfPESm3Au2HGVXBrN2DBaUT9zGlzgYmGlmB6 cIS3To6hdbqSu0QtL9VB2QdlnPoHDLyr7My1KijsqjC2rZ/4MIkLm5R4PXLENoFmP/OB nQCH9w89bnZ152QQo/mjH8+Rw/C6hlgt1762Q= Received: by 10.142.77.11 with SMTP id z11mr1053314wfa.114.1229647128186; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.7 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:38:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:38:48 -0800 From: "Kurt Buff" To: "Greg Barniskis" In-Reply-To: <494ADB2A.4070605@scls.lib.wi.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <494ADB2A.4070605@scls.lib.wi.us> Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox, or FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:38:49 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Greg Barniskis wrote: > Kurt Buff wrote: >> >> I'm visiting various web sites, and having a stupid little issue which >> is really annoying. >> >> FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #4: Sun Dec 14 22:08:22 >> PST 2008 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> >> FireFox 3.04. >> >> For instance, if I go to http://www.wsj.com, among others, it's >> constantly beeping, as the little headline scroller at the top of the >> page updates. >> >> I can't find anywhere in the menu items, or in FF help, on how to turn >> the beeping off, and it's driving me nuts. >> >> Anyone have a hint for me? > > IIRC, a beeping Firefox results as a "feature" of compiling it with > debugging options enabled. > > A quick trip through the Way Back Machine: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2006-March/013973.html > > No idea if your problem is the same but seems like a good place to poke. Yes, that sounds quite likely! I did that some time ago, because FF was puking on sites with complex javascript. Good call. I'll recompile without debugging... Thanks, Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 00:47:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC721065675 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:47:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f18.google.com (mail-qy0-f18.google.com [209.85.221.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141B78FC19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:47:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so882691qyk.19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:47:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=COQi3+Mw7dnOxNyhR0SGgOMMgVCqFY6D6UJD03P+mRI=; b=NzJC17sQTf76U6RaiX4YZnsZtR/hJRFFAWN7ltnRKdfSweA5aHHrbsibS1FB+RFcu5 USjjH9nCkRyLxrLKSF55GEqaBZ8TLV5TuKBCJBYfOVk3skDVPA3bEL9rtQXHbi94Vq9E om/rUhs0xYaO/+Q+eWShpiFF0k91iRz0rpUis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=as07tGbojCVlfHEnI7HVAHM8M2cSYWy/bSVXDc9Y93iN4b/+eLINM5ZtXAQ/P3bubh MycAIgIKqwLLUie/okAj+T5zgCyN5RiWvP61XiN3kEsgETPalHjMyezoMEIqq/25vai3 gy1k11bHg08HoP/+KEbPAnUwz0D4yxa+R2Org= Received: by 10.215.41.14 with SMTP id t14mr3377024qaj.338.1229647660086; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.150.7 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:47:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d7dd86f0812181647n7fb63aabi86baf8417bfa3966@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:47:40 +1100 From: "David N" To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Backing Up ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:47:46 -0000 Hi, As ZFS is becoming more stable and approaching production ready, how would one "Backup" ZFS? In terms of backing up to an external media or storage rather than doing snapshots. In case the the server spontaneously bursts into flames. Cost would be my main focus, so backing up to a HDD would be preferable. I'm just curious at what others are currently doing to back up huge amounts of data. eg. 2TB and onwards. 1. ZFS -> External HDD (External HDD aren't even big enough to handle greater than 2TB) Taken offsite daily 2. ZFS -> Another ZFS box (Not sure how you take it off site daily) 3. ZFS -> Remote ZFS using RSync (Living in Australia, there are limits on data transfer of a few hundred GB per month, to costs are prohibitive) Regards David N From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 00:49:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070C01065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f19.google.com (mail-bw0-f19.google.com [209.85.218.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D5E8FC1C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2026104bwz.19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:49:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=coD0tsz520IZl5e5I1vI63S0wmHBiBl7XV3OY8iFdc8=; b=SsgwZuQqJUhmRWwYsXerIyPcmToL4AOgh4YSQver2PZjqXtf2nO4ooIeTHHsQKyZ1k 7eGsyLRD0FoYDubG6bHfJq8XaKAPEH3wdKn9zFdFk1uild+WNjkoXK6vMugnM2/ll64Y C6oqRGgN6kA4x5zCeC42gpkjqAe4GsjPkWvyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=fdrDOPbhvyKLYSN3EaKCq875DidEQraxeIaFQR9EpE+qn2cHJLLSp57doxIzduSnos xmL2uIPBLjOcx29Zs8Pmd4C0LhVV+nX9a0U4M3NP/JfdlyTw50wwQ4lrDM7wc/L4iqkq jVXxgh2i4OaxaKa3FoMvfCrgjGF3tboq+E80Y= Received: by 10.181.142.13 with SMTP id u13mr868448bkn.8.1229647742384; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.209.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:49:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910812181649ub67929ew82d854f44ffecd4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:49:02 -0500 From: "matt donovan" To: "Robert Huff" In-Reply-To: <18762.60345.260840.699344@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> <4ad871310812181346i2539ca78x2cd581f09dfa073d@mail.gmail.com> <20081219000729.GA5950@kokopelli.hydra> <4ad871310812181611j51800f4er1ec825d7422c41a2@mail.gmail.com> <18762.60345.260840.699344@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:49:06 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > > Glen Barber writes: > > > >> Word processing won't be a problem, but internet 'toys' like Flash > > >> will be a problem, unless you use some wine+firefox workaround. > > > > > > What -- nspluginwrapper doesn't work any longer? > > > > From personal experience, nspluginwrapper is a memory hog, and > > only supports Flash 7 (last I used it). > > Flash 9 + nsplugginwrapper works on -CURRENT starting about a > month (I think) ago. Whether the necessary changes will appear in > 7.1 I do not know. > > > Robert Huff > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > 7.1 works as well you just need to install a different base to get some good speed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 01:35:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36E21065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C832F8FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so997362wfg.7 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:35:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=YuyQSqrO4brv8pBwEBHrq20VlTKg4uhEQQAXrHbukUQ=; b=lBqiiAvviaTrgtQWi6sI5EaQmzIgzps3AD1TvnLw3KHyl2O38W2fD0dwvYiez9WH3S S0NIBlvf8hs27674038QQWwnUnd01CS5f9FEKiGuwdiARafK0RvKnd+SJW7eoJwiRkxF Z00hsHG+yuYl8kuCcC6YyenFCszt0PWp0cxuI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Yno0jwygpvPynNY6AyH2yuGutNSNfkT5B0T0mkq4w2giQ98UaMdrLbj+caz9uNlQiP lqUXkXBHCZVAm8qZvzMG3D0nBfUoMw96htfCOnD0TcGfl4Pb3loYCOC3n/7ln8lh54WI K9Qt/Dkzw7CAttYk9lBdRfaS9pFUN+/RkEn80= Received: by 10.142.52.9 with SMTP id z9mr1070314wfz.233.1229650543992; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.7 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:35:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:35:43 -0800 From: "Kurt Buff" To: "Greg Barniskis" In-Reply-To: <494ADB2A.4070605@scls.lib.wi.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <494ADB2A.4070605@scls.lib.wi.us> Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Firefox, or FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:35:45 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Greg Barniskis wrote: > Kurt Buff wrote: >> >> I'm visiting various web sites, and having a stupid little issue which >> is really annoying. >> >> FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #4: Sun Dec 14 22:08:22 >> PST 2008 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> >> FireFox 3.04. >> >> For instance, if I go to http://www.wsj.com, among others, it's >> constantly beeping, as the little headline scroller at the top of the >> page updates. >> >> I can't find anywhere in the menu items, or in FF help, on how to turn >> the beeping off, and it's driving me nuts. >> >> Anyone have a hint for me? > > IIRC, a beeping Firefox results as a "feature" of compiling it with > debugging options enabled. > > A quick trip through the Way Back Machine: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2006-March/013973.html > > No idea if your problem is the same but seems like a good place to poke. Nailed it! make deinstall, make reinstall, and it worked like a champ - no more beeping. Thanks ever so, Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 02:08:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7132106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:08:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from khoogc@singnet.com.sg) Received: from smtp14.singnet.com.sg (smtp14.singnet.com.sg [165.21.6.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A398FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from khoogc@singnet.com.sg) Received: from singnet.com.sg (bb121-6-150-230.singnet.com.sg [121.6.150.230]) by smtp14.singnet.com.sg (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBJ283o7017627 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:08:03 +0800 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:08:10 +0800 From: KHOO Guan Chen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081219020810.GA60027@localhost.gateway.2wire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Subject: bridge ipfw also protect set X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:08:06 -0000 Hi I want to give internet connectivity to a pc behind my Freebsd, which is connected to an aDSL. I know I can add another card to my set and use bridge+IPFW so that the behind pc is firewalled. But will this setup also ensure that my Freebsd set is firewalled? Could now figure it out reading the book and article. Thanks and sorry if this is a silly question. Regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 02:47:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2D91065677 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892F78FC18 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so993984ewy.19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:47:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=RVWnH2TYcp04E9Rc5tzxeD6I15Lw1QTbbj+NQHOoFlA=; b=NtSex8cN+dxQ060/4lUvc6HKCDRfrKSAkRjgwYiWBCjAgCDnD5CiZveeRFpIcBvyQ+ rLAEX9w5IfiH/BdqFHChf7Tq6lihGcalbx4SgEBWMeKBfZuET60XWTtIKfuY3jR1LOEG mE9/+Cu+aFyg52yk5o6pTbaIM/ZLCwBdBTSIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=w+UxXdTcKsgg+ct+ogYbak/YlmBS+vG0efifTod3P5OOmC8ZcbbbJWqDhbdr3l+Gqs frJ4RIXCaRxShW2/aHqNe+odTFt+vT7b1nV0gHRxkh652z8tWc/eGnaCJWVlo+wr5y89 qLmPwqkkvNa5Mm/V0292ca+Ml3eyTx1aEAgvM= Received: by 10.210.10.1 with SMTP id 1mr3151423ebj.132.1229654860262; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.225.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm25484179ewy.76.2008.12.18.18.47.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:47:36 +0300 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:47:36 +0300 From: Jeff Laine To: KHOO Guan Chen Message-ID: <20081219024736.GA1513@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , KHOO Guan Chen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081219020810.GA60027@localhost.gateway.2wire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081219020810.GA60027@localhost.gateway.2wire.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bridge ipfw also protect set X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:47:42 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:08:10AM +0800, KHOO Guan Chen wrote: > Hi > > I want to give internet connectivity to a pc behind my Freebsd, which is > connected to an aDSL. I know I can add another card to my set and use > bridge+IPFW so that the behind pc is firewalled. But will this setup > also ensure that my Freebsd set is firewalled? Could now figure it out > reading the book and article. > > Thanks and sorry if this is a silly question. > > Regards Hi there! You can set up natd+IPFW or use pf only. I think bridging is not necessary in your case. Proper filter rules will give your freebsd system good protection. Some information could be found in the Firewalls chapter of the Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html Great explanation of pf functionality here: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ I find pf approach much easier to set up and maintain. Google search will give you more ;) Good luck! -- Best regards, Jeff () X-mas ribbon campaign /\ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 02:52:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC6B106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from storage800@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f19.google.com (mail-bw0-f19.google.com [209.85.218.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966818FC13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:52:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from storage800@gmail.com) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2117957bwz.19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:52:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=jILvewGKOsgSGNOgyKQ1Rp4koe72kk/wN7HAucTmN2g=; b=q6OVCHtXwwV6wxZHaqWnNfqfgV+7zo9bXJQDJ80KSzScr+TSYOaNMsqY6dudcYTjcE jrkMcN6xluS0KZrYu1ymajKuh/CV/Xc5rWn5Tb+2UPE4uH1LPM4uklcfGzwQ+yNgkHbL +/FjJOVyfaDB4JvK6fCC89SfWwtmxv4klOyY8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Mo8+kHaeF41bZiR5Dk4SmsO5FmTzQTe8Xde6YdSHODIK10bs8HYSYiIYUYyVbBfd3W uZJP9q/nGkfEUNNF31ywTLCEqUrHzZymWnxw6eahrfbwiEfzx6cYyISR5JUeNHfKJXpL fNu3x2GK5nAyzrJBntTG9102/IpbKEkjCsEss= Received: by 10.223.110.200 with SMTP id o8mr2434748fap.56.1229655155090; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.112.4 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:52:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <63eb7d8e0812181852i11f281f8q8857950e7948ee1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:52:35 +0800 From: "Abd Hamid Shamsi" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: SIS191 Ethernet Controller Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:52:37 -0000 Hi Admin, I just want to know does FreeBSD support SIS191 Ethernet controller. Because recently i just install PCBSD in my laptop, and there is no connection for internet. and of course my network card seem doesn't appear in networking configuration. Do you have any suggestion to foresee this situation. Regards. -- Mohd Shamsi Hafiz bin Abdul Hamid Pegawai Pemasaran Galeri Cenderamata Koperasi UPM BHD Beg Berkunci 260 Pejabat Pos UPM Universiti Putra Malaysia 43400 Serdang Selangor From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 03:19:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE753106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:19:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659DF8FC1C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:19:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJ3HdWg074162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:17:39 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.2/8.12.11) id mBJ3JVqL084737; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:19:31 +0700 (ICT) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:19:31 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200812190319.mBJ3JVqL084737@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: khoogc@singnet.com.sg In-reply-to: <20081219020810.GA60027@localhost.gateway.2wire.net> (message from KHOO Guan Chen on Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:08:10 +0800) References: <20081219020810.GA60027@localhost.gateway.2wire.net> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bridge ipfw also protect set X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:19:36 -0000 Hi, > I want to give internet connectivity to a pc behind my Freebsd, which is > connected to an aDSL. I know I can add another card to my set and use > bridge+IPFW so that the behind pc is firewalled. But will this setup > also ensure that my Freebsd set is firewalled? Could now figure it out > reading the book and article. You don't want to use bridge! 1) as far as I remember, ipfw works poorly with bridge: it would filter only based on layer 2, not based on IP (need to confirm). 2) bridge means that packets traverse the FreeBSD machine without any modification (think of the bridge like a 2 ports Ethernet switch). Unless you use and ADSL modem (but then you can use a switch and connect your PC and your FreeBSD box each on one port of the switch) it will not work. If your FreeBSD machine is in charge of making the ADSL connection, it will not work. 3) as suggested in the prvious reply, you need some NAT and some routing in your FreeBSD machine. Routing is not bridge. Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 03:19:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2AD106567A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFDE8FC12 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from anne-o1dpaayth1.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04241 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:53:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200812190253.TAA04241@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:53:29 -0700 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Secondary DNS or BSD Server space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:19:46 -0000 Everyone: We just got word that Neustar, which bought DNS service provider Nominum a few years ago, is shutting down Nominum's "secondary.com" service. The service used to provide secondary DNS for users' zones at no charge. I and the other secondary.com users I know think it's reasonable for the company to charge a small but reasonable fee for the service instead of keeping it running for free. But alas, Neustar is getting greedy. The only alternative they offer is a $50-a-month "managed DNS" service, which we don't want or need. (We're fine maintaining our own master servers and zones; we just need a slave to use as a secondary.) So, we're looking for alternatives. Does anyone on this list know of a good, BSD-based service which offers reasonably priced secondary DNS? Or reasonably priced servers at a server farm, where I and others can set up a secondary DNS server? --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 03:27:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427581065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229958FC1A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LDW1f-0000kq-C1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:27:43 -0800 Message-ID: <21085175.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:27:43 -0800 (PST) From: BSD_Newbie To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: it_manager@gmx.com Subject: Unable to delete directory even after change of ownership. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:27:44 -0000 Hi. I have a quick question about chown and how it works. My setup: * Freebsd 7-RELEASE-p6 (on i386) * /home on separate slice. Here is what I am trying to do: In the folder called /home, I want to store my subversion repository. While working on this, I encountered a unique/inexplicable behavior. This is what I have done so far: a) as root, created a group called repo_admin. b) as root, created an user called svn c) adduser utility created a home directory for user svn under /home (i.e. /home/svn) d) as root, created a directory called my_repos under /home (i.e. /home/my_repos) Now owner and group are root and wheel respectively e) as root, executed the following command. chown svn:repo_admin /home/my_repos f) verified that the file permissions for /home/my_repos is correctly set after the change in ownership. Here is the problem I encountered When I log in as svn, I am placed in the folder /home/svn. As svn, when I try to delete the folder (/home/my_repos), I get the error "Permission denied". Why do I get this error when I (svn) am the owner of that directory? However, I have no problem deleting a directory under /home/svn. Thanks in advance for your help. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Unable-to-delete-directory-even-after-change-of-ownership.-tp21085175p21085175.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 03:31:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B0E106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:31:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f19.google.com (mail-bw0-f19.google.com [209.85.218.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDA88FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2143159bwz.19 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:31:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hR49Sl7n6n18185V4yIm2XEQQ6qMo354o+3O6HtIYd4=; b=L4URGLvkrw5UNFZSgIoPRySIn+cz5wgqFM8FeremyAcC2YYxkcTzgFBI5dzNEl5pcT i+30JVPmAyFSEn6chRFX8E/0i6btaIcWc8c0Ltet/2G4FpMuuiiWmv8hdpuMEpgvfg8o NomOzngMw2l7E2kRUO7jWv7Sat8PF80oolVp4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=TvX+FeiA9v810LJ8WRT0JKN71AuRU5Fle/BqqM4XnpYBf1/0YBajNBQ8p0Zq7onXDd T0cd4CglI9Jvb040/t+ACq7XEOzXUV0R4aKWByDMWQhdKHwuczIuZs+CltmXhVcFHdxE 42Wch5LlnlLpytdvGFqwIGEt8aCJTGcM1P/HU= Received: by 10.103.193.13 with SMTP id v13mr1055988mup.125.1229657477321; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.91.11 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:31:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ad871310812181931l20d0fae2p9885d946f329054c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:31:17 -0500 From: "Glen Barber" To: BSD_Newbie In-Reply-To: <21085175.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <21085175.post@talk.nabble.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to delete directory even after change of ownership. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:31:19 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:27 PM, BSD_Newbie wrote: > > e) as root, executed the following command. > chown svn:repo_admin /home/my_repos > > f) verified that the file permissions for /home/my_repos is correctly set > after the change in ownership. > > > Here is the problem I encountered > When I log in as svn, I am placed in the folder /home/svn. > As svn, when I try to delete the folder (/home/my_repos), I get the error > "Permission denied". > > Why do I get this error when I (svn) am the owner of that directory? > > However, I have no problem deleting a directory under /home/svn. > My guess is you should've used the -r flag with chown (recursive). -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 03:39:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB50106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A973C8FC12 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJ3b6sZ074927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:37:06 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.2/8.12.11) id mBJ3cwY0087814; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:38:58 +0700 (ICT) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:38:58 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200812190338.mBJ3cwY0087814@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: glen.j.barber@gmail.com In-reply-to: <4ad871310812181931l20d0fae2p9885d946f329054c@mail.gmail.com> (glen.j.barber@gmail.com) References: <21085175.post@talk.nabble.com> <4ad871310812181931l20d0fae2p9885d946f329054c@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: it_manager@gmx.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to delete directory even after change of ownership. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:39:01 -0000 > > e) as root, executed the following command. > > chown svn:repo_admin /home/my_repos > > > > f) verified that the file permissions for /home/my_repos is correctly set > > after the change in ownership. > > > > > > Here is the problem I encountered > > When I log in as svn, I am placed in the folder /home/svn. > > As svn, when I try to delete the folder (/home/my_repos), I get the error > > "Permission denied". > > > > Why do I get this error when I (svn) am the owner of that directory? > > > > However, I have no problem deleting a directory under /home/svn. > > > > My guess is you should've used the -r flag with chown (recursive). Would be -R (upper case) I think. As for the error: what is the output of: ls -lo /home ls -lo /home/my_repos Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 03:40:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A924106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084318FC19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LDWDr-0001AV-At for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:40:19 -0800 Message-ID: <21085301.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:40:19 -0800 (PST) From: BSD_Newbie To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812181931l20d0fae2p9885d946f329054c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: it_manager@gmx.com References: <21085175.post@talk.nabble.com> <4ad871310812181931l20d0fae2p9885d946f329054c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Unable to delete directory even after change of ownership. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:40:20 -0000 Glen, The directory was empty. only the usual directories "." and ".." were present when I try to delete the /home/my_repos directory. the directory "." had owner and group as svn and repo_admin respectively the directory ".." had owner and group as root and wheel respectively. These settings are NOT UNUSUAL. The directories "." and ".." under /home/svn also have the same permission/owner-group info as above. I do not understand as to why the -r switch is needed. However, I shall give it a try and keep you posted. Thanks for addressing my post. Cheers. Glen Barber-2 wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:27 PM, BSD_Newbie wrote: >> >> e) as root, executed the following command. >> chown svn:repo_admin /home/my_repos >> >> f) verified that the file permissions for /home/my_repos is correctly set >> after the change in ownership. >> >> >> Here is the problem I encountered >> When I log in as svn, I am placed in the folder /home/svn. >> As svn, when I try to delete the folder (/home/my_repos), I get the >> error >> "Permission denied". >> >> Why do I get this error when I (svn) am the owner of that directory? >> >> However, I have no problem deleting a directory under /home/svn. >> > > My guess is you should've used the -r flag with chown (recursive). > > -- > Glen Barber > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Unable-to-delete-directory-even-after-change-of-ownership.-tp21085175p21085301.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 03:49:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE371065678 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF218FC17 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:49:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBJ3ln5F075280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:47:49 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.2/8.12.11) id mBJ3nfSE089399; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:49:41 +0700 (ICT) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:49:41 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200812190349.mBJ3nfSE089399@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: it_manager@gmx.com In-reply-to: <21085301.post@talk.nabble.com> (message from BSD_Newbie on Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:40:19 -0800 (PST)) References: <21085175.post@talk.nabble.com> <4ad871310812181931l20d0fae2p9885d946f329054c@mail.gmail.com> <21085301.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to delete directory even after change of ownership. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:49:43 -0000 Hi, > the directory "." had owner and group as svn and repo_admin respectively > the directory ".." had owner and group as root and wheel respectively. Try to cut and paste example, it gives more detailed information when we read the exact output of the command. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 03:51:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B05D1065677 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:51:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18718FC1D for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2165465rvf.43 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:51:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=tSZYGclIV/PJ2XzsrB8wGbquBso71YbxDmEP9H6Hz2U=; b=k4alVJnr7LaDRYj+or31uhORLT9gAgy7RmO5XBTM23B4qHypkodEOa0sPmc+lkonz2 B97nUjShhjoULCqpkO+HJY2b7j3tz1qhGg9H/8ninBiO+pqcKPEyV7Biplpt3Y0IfhkP VOmbsxFqFIaHtRk0VUIfBiay+G8pHpBKc85CQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Gl0lYmOEGp36jJHJm7SRIYQZSWDXyapqwSLGEHLbFwbVC1zkDwG8nSwkGr1iTbern4 zNhz2yNPKzbo4RzFXOteTqmN8Sigb5Y+Jx5HKvgWEYj8cIfyFVkYFQAtgp43S7gL3tay SEAlCtrbILQa9HsvR+fZlv3Vi8Ydzp76ALx88= Received: by 10.140.202.21 with SMTP id z21mr1311708rvf.260.1229657035980; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.170.14 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:23:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5635aa0d0812181923tebd27den83f97766f860d6a6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:23:55 +0700 From: "Outback Dingo" To: "Brett Glass" In-Reply-To: <200812190253.TAA04241@lariat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812190253.TAA04241@lariat.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secondary DNS or BSD Server space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:51:37 -0000 i have space on a freebsd system in the states, i could do secondary for anybody, and we could create a new service, with a web based management facility its plainly a dns backup for us and a backup secondary failover web site for extremely low traffic, if you guys want to picth in, we can bring something together On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Brett Glass wrote: > Everyone: > > We just got word that Neustar, which bought DNS service provider Nominum a > few years ago, is shutting down Nominum's "secondary.com" service. The > service used to provide secondary DNS for users' zones at no charge. > > I and the other secondary.com users I know think it's reasonable for the > company to charge a small but reasonable fee for the service instead of > keeping it running for free. But alas, Neustar is getting greedy. The only > alternative they offer is a $50-a-month "managed DNS" service, which we > don't want or need. (We're fine maintaining our own master servers and > zones; we just need a slave to use as a secondary.) So, we're looking for > alternatives. > > Does anyone on this list know of a good, BSD-based service which offers > reasonably priced secondary DNS? Or reasonably priced servers at a server > farm, where I and others can set up a secondary DNS server? > > --Brett Glass > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 04:13:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2401065675 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13308FC20 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mBJ47Kun083576; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:07:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id mBJ47KKo083575; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:07:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:07:19 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20081219040719.GA83557@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:13:08 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:02:06PM -0500, FreeBSD wrote: > Daniel Bye a crit : > >On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:28:18AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > >>On Thursday 18 December 2008 09:16:10 FreeBSD wrote: > >>>Hi everyone, > >>> > >>>I have a FreeBSD 7.0-Release server that started to swap after an error > >>>in a shell script (process spawning competition ;-) ). I killed the > >>>shell and the RAM is now OK. The problem is that the swap is still used. > >>>How can I "reset" the swap? > >>You don't. The system will handle it for you, I promise. :-) > > > >And very well, too. > > > >You can prompt it to move pages back into RAM if you start using a swapped- > >out process again - say, for example, a quiescent word processor had been > >swapped out, you could get it back by raising it and starting to type. > > > >But as Kirk said, there really is no need. It's one of the kernel's many > >jobs, and I'm inclined to leave it get on with it! > > > >Dan > > > > Thanks for your answer. I'm asking here because it's been several days > and there is still used swap for data that should never be used anymore. > If the kernel wants to keep it, why not move it to RAM now that there is > some free? Why bother if it isn't being currently used? ////jerry > > Martin > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 04:27:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A496B1065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from gsicomp.on.ca (gsicomp.on.ca [200.46.208.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFBB8FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.208.211]) by gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0AEFCA68E; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gsicomp.on.ca ([200.46.208.251]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.211]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56273-03; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:10:51 -0400 (AST) Received: from hermes (CPE00062566c7bb-CM001ac3584898.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.255.62.215]) by gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 77696FCA677; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: From: "Matt Emmerton" To: , "Brett Glass" References: <200812190253.TAA04241@lariat.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:11:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:37:30 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: Secondary DNS or BSD Server space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:27:53 -0000 > Everyone: > > We just got word that Neustar, which bought DNS service provider > Nominum a few years ago, is shutting down Nominum's > "secondary.com" service. The service used to provide secondary DNS > for users' zones at no charge. > > I and the other secondary.com users I know think it's reasonable > for the company to charge a small but reasonable fee for the > service instead of keeping it running for free. But alas, Neustar > is getting greedy. The only alternative they offer is a $50-a-month > "managed DNS" service, which we don't want or need. (We're fine > maintaining our own master servers and zones; we just need a slave > to use as a secondary.) So, we're looking for alternatives. > > Does anyone on this list know of a good, BSD-based service which > offers reasonably priced secondary DNS? Or reasonably priced > servers at a server farm, where I and others can set up a secondary DNS > server? There was a thread on this just the other day here. Not sure if they are BSD-based, but both dyndns.org and zoneedit.com offser secondary service for practically nothing. -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 07:31:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511B01065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E688FC37 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2144822 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:54:09 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4ad871310812181346i2539ca78x2cd581f09dfa073d@mail.gmail.com> References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> <4ad871310812181346i2539ca78x2cd581f09dfa073d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:53:19 +1000 Message-Id: <1229658799.1142.8.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:31:09 -0000 On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 16:46 -0500, Glen Barber wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick Baldwin > wrote: > > Usually I'm asking questions for work related things. This one is more > > personal. > > My father has this tendency to end up wrecking his computer if he uses the > > Internet > > much. Computers are basically magic boxes to him, so education is of > > limited usefulness > > here. > > > > Are you willing to maintain the machine for him? > > > I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really locked-down, > > high security > > box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the Web, and a > > little > > light word processing. > > > > Word processing won't be a problem, but internet 'toys' like Flash > will be a problem, unless you use some wine+firefox workaround. > > > What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? > > I think the idea's good, as long as you are willing to fix it when if > it breaks on him. Maybe some minor support, but I think if you're going to this extent to lock it down, install specific apps only, etc, then setting it up with some auto scripts to clean things up and fix little errors you won't need to do much at all. Overall a very good idea- something I will be doing very soon too. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 07:31:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F36106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wsw1wsw2@gmail.com) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149708FC3C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wsw1wsw2@gmail.com) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a1so514454tib.3 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:31:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=vUllGYemZDUBs06/447eWiQMb8Uo/keOyGLHs2owY4I=; b=wuuhQS4kjA4E5Od7B/YngaoDyCK6hsK/Yn+Wm/jiP2QDUmI2PBBmNRktUnELAH1phn 0+xyOat26AELKpZc0xcdPpuMGeqeRc/qvjwqihIO8iyk8mh6cLTkdPOYS0YBgJvxUlbC Kh92R3chfUS56DcG3V90/xixgiw8G/3VB9w0s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=GQE1+Ciyqkap7GztZdLbX3549y8B40A3EBVa3eYip2Dr2kLGaCRODPJWrjkz0O3qdh 6Wd7KrLdnT52JiYfrgrlV5DacK6rbDovqSDEUCIVEFU2nu2ozsvCpLKm+RSQD6EOjYD+ +t9AvHqJAiXtf7+F1PEXLnXcJ9gGGvoiFCvjE= Received: by 10.110.42.17 with SMTP id p17mr4228320tip.42.1229671907907; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.7.15 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:31:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2e566b9e0812182331w15b53712q344b449ac8943c27@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:31:47 +0800 From: "Shaowei Wang (wsw)" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Can i update ports tree using SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:31:49 -0000 Hi, Guys, i've updated the FreeBSD sources from svn.freebsd.org/ and it's speed is very good. i want to know can i update the ports tree through some svn server ? Best Regards. -wsw From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 07:47:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B24106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815E28FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl28-172.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.155.172]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBJ7lhLY028954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:47:49 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBJ7lhnB030422; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:47:43 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBJ7lgbL030421; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:47:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Shaowei Wang \(wsw\)" References: <2e566b9e0812182331w15b53712q344b449ac8943c27@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:47:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <2e566b9e0812182331w15b53712q344b449ac8943c27@mail.gmail.com> (Shaowei Wang's message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:31:47 +0800") Message-ID: <87abasd2st.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-MailScanner-ID: mBJ7lhLY028954 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.294, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can i update ports tree using SVN X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:47:54 -0000 --=-=-= On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:31:47 +0800, "Shaowei Wang (wsw)" wrote: > Hi, Guys, > i've updated the FreeBSD sources from svn.freebsd.org/ and it's speed > is very good. i want to know can i update the ports tree through some > svn server ? Unfortunately, no. Only the src/ tree has been converted to Subversion. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklLUZ0ACgkQ1g+UGjGGA7YcygCgr8TGQOrM1A7E67kEh+XVx1K1 RyEAn1SF7CfvtBKgbU+L9jFRZOZPtOt5 =YzLH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 08:01:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FD31065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F168FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id mBJ812Jw008247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id mBJ812aa008246; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA17526; Thu, 18 Dec 08 23:46:40 PST Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:49:36 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: it_manager@gmx.com Message-Id: <494b5210.UcBZHO0RwvVRx7d4%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <21085175.post@talk.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <21085175.post@talk.nabble.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to delete directory even after change of ownership. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:01:04 -0000 > As svn, when I try to delete the folder (/home/my_repos), > I get the error "Permission denied". > > Why do I get this error when I (svn) am the owner of that > directory? To remove anything that is located in /home, including a directory such as /home/my_repos, user svn would need write permission in the /home directory. Probably only root has write permission there. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 08:15:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77433106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:15:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f19.google.com (mail-bw0-f19.google.com [209.85.218.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C5B8FC13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2326815bwz.19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:15:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=UlqwnUwbFIxw5Hdus+yH75wqaMSxbrsQPtBdRSIaQ98=; b=QNmAAp5zu6NQRTTC9VhEcSaRrie1mCoVK0Zta+Ssu52D1BU5a1Blrk0D4EkuH7W6Kq rtpni8P0y0IjI4ekzGBsyE8OASthoO0cDU+GFh8r5HFKAuC4zNRuKiSomSBkbnTWyXJZ ScVXR5KFiw/xy2RBOkq69SQDLWn4CzH5M1b0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=E4e9nKHiSksC9Q05n+rPM6fCog+G2UmpFydFiQk4HI2injhgBEONtaGwmmq2VwWTSi XTl6vQb2JFSHFsrEQ/ka2HUw8GXPuW2Ryrk6Zur1cAGjzGViemlyOmJ/IHmfvJswNHgU mAgo38nnxBtpcpVm64tGkUJ3ExVoHN0TYlHuM= Received: by 10.223.113.68 with SMTP id z4mr2583474fap.72.1229674521026; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.206 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:15:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <991123400812190015l307fd7aeg36f7f965173bf6be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:15:20 +0300 From: "Odhiambo Washington" To: "Patrick Baldwin" In-Reply-To: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:15:23 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Patrick Baldwin < Patrick.Baldwin@studsvik.com> wrote: > Usually I'm asking questions for work related things. This one is more > personal. > My father has this tendency to end up wrecking his computer if he uses the > Internet > much. Computers are basically magic boxes to him, so education is of > limited usefulness > here. > > I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really locked-down, > high security > box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the Web, and > a little > light word processing. > > What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? What has he been running on? Windows XP? Give him an account without Administrative rights! Anything else will be too much work for you and him. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic, unlike our MPs!" -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 10:06:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168901065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA158FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:06:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJ9TQON005155; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:29:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:28:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:28:55 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Outback Dingo Message-ID: <20081219092855.GD9846@thought.org> References: <200812190253.TAA04241@lariat.net> <5635aa0d0812181923tebd27den83f97766f860d6a6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5635aa0d0812181923tebd27den83f97766f860d6a6@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Brett Glass , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secondary DNS or BSD Server space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:06:45 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:23:55AM +0700, Outback Dingo wrote: > i have space on a freebsd system in the states, i could do secondary for > anybody, and we could create a new service, with a web based management > facility > its plainly a dns backup for us and a backup secondary failover web site for > extremely low traffic, if you guys want to picth in, we can bring something > together Count me in. i'll do whatever i can with my servers. > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Brett Glass wrote: > > > Everyone: > > > > We just got word that Neustar, which bought DNS service provider Nominum a > > few years ago, is shutting down Nominum's "secondary.com" service. The > > service used to provide secondary DNS for users' zones at no charge. > > > > I and the other secondary.com users I know think it's reasonable for the > > company to charge a small but reasonable fee for the service instead of > > keeping it running for free. But alas, Neustar is getting greedy. The only > > alternative they offer is a $50-a-month "managed DNS" service, which we > > don't want or need. (We're fine maintaining our own master servers and > > zones; we just need a slave to use as a secondary.) So, we're looking for > > alternatives. > > > > Does anyone on this list know of a good, BSD-based service which offers > > reasonably priced secondary DNS? Or reasonably priced servers at a server > > farm, where I and others can set up a secondary DNS server? > > > > --Brett Glass > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 10:13:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AF81065676 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49198FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:13:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so1152156ewy.19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:13:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:organization:to:subject :date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=VhHqXRQQ8oAkyDzuL4TicQBIBbDDIWrdhbtzEcd7udc=; b=U8IQ597nrBoqVtzMyZaPAh7clZsOVUzktJGNAROcfsWAxxlldD2iX4lRz79EKpQl0Z FKAadn/Hl/hDEx2280x8Rbx7QSQRLYU3mmruek1kZECiuK96pEjXAQnc8qGzdVrsFo3b IPDXpx3vv2vtTh83OWMJXWbkizsoQkncQxDt8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; b=ZV1hjowqgFsh0B+7N9SOPtF8YXoT3vaIRCjy4vLP96whLBlKxKr12srb99TM1jjTyd oYaK820YB0/v0O3SZvwLkX4UeEkbeZxOuaC5nuWlKYmA39TWqKFUubpe+WkGn4b/gRwW Pg4yQvPwKZD+08StbZY7QU+AOBjL6sYvWFXL8= Received: by 10.210.34.5 with SMTP id h5mr3513800ebh.161.1229681619793; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?0.0.0.0? ([196.34.241.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm5504411gve.16.2008.12.19.02.13.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:13:38 -0800 (PST) From: David Naylor Organization: Private To: FreeBSD Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:13:21 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> In-Reply-To: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2490624.y4Mk0WFcDt"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200812191213.26300.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:13:41 -0000 --nextPart2490624.y4Mk0WFcDt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 18 December 2008 17:16:10 FreeBSD wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have a FreeBSD 7.0-Release server that started to swap after an error > in a shell script (process spawning competition ;-) ). I killed the > shell and the RAM is now OK. The problem is that the swap is still used. > How can I "reset" the swap? > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge, > > Martin Easy: # swapoff -a ; swapon -a It just removes all swap devices (with the content mapped back into memory)= =20 and then turns the swap devices back on. Just make sure you have enough RAM to run your system while it does this=20 (since only the RAM will be available for the system [NO SWAP])!!! =20 WARNING: This could kill your system and does eat babies!!! To others: There is one reason I can think of for doing this, if an=20 irregularly used program (that is rather big) has been swapped out but=20 requires a low latency when used (i.e. must not wait to be swapped back=20 in...) then it would be desired to get the program swapped back into RAM as= =20 soon as possible after RAM has been freed. =20 Regards, David --nextPart2490624.y4Mk0WFcDt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAklLc8YACgkQUaaFgP9pFrKcrwCfUn1LoAgNWoenKkyd1tPwtqOU z8cAnROocs22/FodF/P/o40JMJ/dTF7t =Vqax -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2490624.y4Mk0WFcDt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 10:25:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A3A1065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:25:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F7B8FC2C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:25:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp15.yandex.ru (smtp15.yandex.ru [77.88.32.85]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id DE56B19319E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:25:19 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 208-85-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net ([92.113.85.208]:52997 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S4866161AbYLSKZR (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:25:17 +0300 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp15 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229682317 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 1 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp15.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:25:22 +0200 From: KES X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: SaftTen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <607401277.20081219122522@yandex.ru> To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <42213407.20081212101341@yandex.ru> <200812170811.20566.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <984054014.20081217220207@yandex.ru> <200812180805.36858.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <869279445.20081218100354@yandex.ru> <174660154.20081218205744@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Fwd: Re: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:25:22 -0000 , . ---------- ---------- : David Weintraub : KES : users@subversion.tigris.org : Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:30:51 -0500 : can not start SVNserve : The problem is the "su" command. For some reason, it is refusing to execute the svnserve command. You can try to figure out why "su" isn't working or you can switch to "sudo". I don't think we can give you any more help with this list. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, KES wrote: > , David. > > > DW> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:03 AM, KES wrote: >>> , Mel. >>> >>> 18 2008 ., 9:05:35: >>> >>> M> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 21:02:07 KES wrote: >>>>> , Mel. >>>>> >>>>> 17 2008 ., 9:11:19: >>>>> >>>>> M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >>>>> >> , Polytropon. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 14 2008 ., 15:11:35: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >>>>> >> >>>>> >> P> wrote: >>>>> >> >> > su: Sorry >>>>> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >>>>> >> >> > kes# pw user show svn >>>>> >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >>>>> >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>>> >> >> > Starting svnserve. >>>>> >> >> > su: Sorry >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> try to change directory to existent >>>>> >> >>>>> >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> home# uname -a >>>>> >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 >>>>> >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 >>>>> >> i386 home# pw user show svn >>>>> >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >>>>> >> >>>>> >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also it >>>>> >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel group >>>>> >> >>>>> >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >>>>> >> does not work on >>>>> >> kes# uname -a >>>>> >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov 23 >>>>> >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 >>>>> >> kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 >>>>> >>>>> M> echo 'rc_debug="YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf >>>>> M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>>> >>>>> M> Show output from /var/log/messages. >>>>> >>>>> kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is set to >>>>> YES. Starting svnserve. >>>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -c 'sh >>>>> -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r >>>>> /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry >>> >>> M> Does this command work from the command line? >>> M> If not, does it work if called as su -fm rather then su -m? >>> M> If that does not work, does the primary group svn is supposed to be in exist? >>> >>> >>> kes# su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >>> su: Sorry >>> kes# su -fm svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3690 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >>> su: Sorry >>> kes# pw group show svn >>> svn:*:1005: >>> kes# cat /etc/group | grep svn >>> svn:*:1005: >>> kes# pw user show svn >>> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >>> >>> As you see it does not work also with -fm option >>> >>> >>> Also I notice next differences between FreeBDS 7.0 and 7.1 (detail below) >>> Notice that on both system account is locked, has no valid shell and >>> home directory >>> on FreeBSD 7.0 when I try to login with svn user it says: This account is currently not available. >>> on FreeBSD 7.1 when I try to login with svn user it says: su: Sorry >>> Maybe there is a problem with su on FreeBSD 7.1? >>> >>> >>> >>> home# pw user show svn >>> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >>> home# su svn >>> This account is currently not available. >>> >>> >>> kes# pw user show svn >>> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >>> kes# su svn >>> su: Sorry >>> kes# pw user mod svn -s /usr/bin/nologin >>> kes# pw user show svn >>> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/bin/nologin >>> kes# su svn >>> su: Sorry >>> > > > DW> Why don't you setup "sudo" and see if that will work for you? I've > DW> always found sudo much less troublesome than "su". > > DW> Then, you can modify your startup script to use sudo instead of "su". > > > Why maintainer of rc.subr use 'su' instead of 'sudo'? Maybe su has > some benefit I do not know. If I edit standart rc.subr to use sudo > instead of 'su' there maybe other sripts will not sturtup. > > > > > -- > , > KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru > > -- -- David Weintraub qazwart@gmail.com ---------- ---------- -- , KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 10:34:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486C01065674 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:34:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19F18FC1E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:34:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so1036357rne.12 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:34:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=O/YAiVfQQ8/dAUV2cvaHwXLmO5jONo3dnKMzasvawF0=; b=SDVSOYUPqBvBYwTb3J0J6xxRT5EqsYzSM2xa0R1b6xZgb15t4NOyeNW4XnInz5SpM2 hjIOB+OPWVowlEpCB1GfdAQq+37818LZBMEvJKEx/QEnHKonu/xY6ZBe5o7L1UrV3DSt 8/RlDl7/L9vlEfu3yHON3ntHjvl+rf+Ecv34o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=im9uCQQZgeOmaH6ekSms5JMFCnYzPGk5/alpl7Nsoq0HdhoVdVh9XfiIo2INW6aiFW Rm+CAhzJmSKmlxMwyyPZz95CytTPRzkibnv9z/ph6LhHAaNpuw8ipyI4fXj/Ek+sGX8X 66ePQz2ueLn9UvhD2F5FoOmsP7VbCCV3LAxY8= Received: by 10.231.30.74 with SMTP id t10mr90910ibc.51.1229682855014; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.17.200 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:34:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3a142e750812190234h48b73a4id95694214c2e302e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:34:14 +0100 From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: "Abd Hamid Shamsi" In-Reply-To: <63eb7d8e0812181852i11f281f8q8857950e7948ee1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <63eb7d8e0812181852i11f281f8q8857950e7948ee1@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SIS191 Ethernet Controller Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:34:16 -0000 On 12/19/08, Abd Hamid Shamsi wrote: > Hi Admin, > I just want to know does FreeBSD support SIS191 Ethernet controller. Because > recently i just install PCBSD in my laptop, and there is no connection for > internet. and of course my network card seem doesn't appear in networking > configuration. Do you have any suggestion to foresee this situation. There is no native driver, you may try to play with ndis(4) -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 10:55:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8712C1065674 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Kristjan.Sander@rmk.ee) Received: from mx1.rmk.ee (mx1.rmk.ee [194.126.125.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAAE8FC17 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Kristjan.Sander@rmk.ee) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,248,1228082400"; d="scan'208";a="519225" Received: from unknown (HELO ka061w3s.rmk.ee) ([192.168.1.61]) by ka115irs.rmk.ee with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2008 12:26:19 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:26:18 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Zope 2.10, MySQL and Python 2.5 thread-index: AclgPtc8rOk4IsTOTEKHYErUhrfCegA3d2jwACndlGA= From: "Kristjan Sander" To: Subject: Zope 2.10, MySQL and Python 2.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:55:46 -0000 Dear All, I am having trouble with using Zope 2.10 together with MySQL. I have _mysql Python support library for Python 2.5 from some previous port but Zope came with Python 2.4 and I do not have _mysql support for that. I guess that there will not be a Zope 2.10 port with Python 2.5 support in the near future because Zope 2.10 does not support Python 2.5 as they say at http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.10.7/Zope-2.10.7-released . I tried to change Python used by Zope in Zope conf to Python 2.5 but it resulted in dramatic traceback. Has anybody solved this problem? Thanks in advance, Kristjan Sander From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 11:07:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFE11065674 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:07:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F2B8FC13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB40FD48A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:07:26 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id BA3F0FD452; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:07:26 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_05 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from ott.sise (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38D27FD1D4 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:07:24 +0200 (EET) From: Ott =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6stner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:07:23 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> In-Reply-To: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812191307.23297.ottk@zzz.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:07:28 -0000 On Thursday 18 December 2008 11:25:51 pm Patrick Baldwin wrote: > I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really=20 > locked-down, high security > box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the Web,=20 > and a little > light word processing. >=20 > What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? =20 In this case, I would recommend to use PC-BSD. http://www.pcbsd.org/ PC-BSD is full FreeBSD 7.1, with nice grapical installer, pre-configured fo= r desktop use. Xorg, KDE, Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, flash, etc. --= all will work out of the box... After installing PC-BSD, you can think of it as a standard FreeBSD -- Upgra= de ports, build kernel, etc. Regards, O.K. =2D-=20 M=F5=F5da oma inteneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed http://tallinn.speedtest.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 11:50:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EDB1065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB7E8FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBJBnu8f001590; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:49:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBJBnura001587; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:49:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:49:56 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: David Naylor In-Reply-To: <200812191213.26300.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081219124934.L1578@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812191213.26300.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:50:05 -0000 > To others: There is one reason I can think of for doing this, if an > irregularly used program (that is rather big) has been swapped out but > requires a low latency when used (i.e. must not wait to be swapped back so change this program if it requires low latency to do mlockall From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 11:53:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC65B1065674 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C218FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBJBqsNC001603; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:52:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBJBqrEw001600; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:52:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:52:53 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: David N In-Reply-To: <4d7dd86f0812181647n7fb63aabi86baf8417bfa3966@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081219125123.G1595@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4d7dd86f0812181647n7fb63aabi86baf8417bfa3966@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing Up ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:53:00 -0000 > As ZFS is becoming more stable and approaching production ready, how > would one "Backup" ZFS? In terms of backing up to an external media or > storage rather than doing snapshots. In case the the server > spontaneously bursts into flames. use tar it's filesystem independent if you have tape drives. actually you can tar to anything even multivolume backup using USB connected drivers. > I'm just curious at what others are currently doing to back up huge > amounts of data. eg. 2TB and onwards. > > 1. ZFS -> External HDD (External HDD aren't even big enough to handle > greater than 2TB) Taken offsite daily > 2. ZFS -> Another ZFS box (Not sure how you take it off site daily) > 3. ZFS -> Remote ZFS using RSync (Living in Australia, there are > limits on data transfer of a few hundred GB per month, to costs are > prohibitive) you don't require your backup target to have ZFS. all your 3 solutions are filesystem-independent From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 12:58:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEEB1065676 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.vub.ac.be (mxin.vub.ac.be [134.184.129.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E598FC3E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwAADUiS0mkD30E/2dsb2JhbAAIv0BYkG6DAw Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.vub.ac.be with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2008 13:29:08 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20081219125123.G1595@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4d7dd86f0812181647n7fb63aabi86baf8417bfa3966@mail.gmail.com> <20081219125123.G1595@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:29:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1229689783.2730.0.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: David N , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing Up ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:58:54 -0000 I would suggest Bacula, a bit hard to config but very flexible On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 12:52 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > As ZFS is becoming more stable and approaching production ready, how > > would one "Backup" ZFS? In terms of backing up to an external media or > > storage rather than doing snapshots. In case the the server > > spontaneously bursts into flames. > > use tar it's filesystem independent if you have tape drives. > > actually you can tar to anything even multivolume backup using USB > connected drivers. > > > I'm just curious at what others are currently doing to back up huge > > amounts of data. eg. 2TB and onwards. > > > > 1. ZFS -> External HDD (External HDD aren't even big enough to handle > > greater than 2TB) Taken offsite daily > > 2. ZFS -> Another ZFS box (Not sure how you take it off site daily) > > 3. ZFS -> Remote ZFS using RSync (Living in Australia, there are > > limits on data transfer of a few hundred GB per month, to costs are > > prohibitive) > > you don't require your backup target to have ZFS. > > all your 3 solutions are filesystem-independent > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrée ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 13:18:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E521065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:18:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319848FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:18:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so1381239wfg.7 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:17:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=pP+W2jGQuGg+eMck0qfDExIodwrP5cFYjEgu+8HntMM=; b=RoRhYjSxtCZJK44y/9CfF8OdupQ+DTP+yZt6M6XD9K2MGOwxvnoF+SltS4FdiByesB SEM/IN+0RBB555usYfSBZVYgmLBfyxVNxqK9e3lq4ba2ZWR/6rOgafMYr/5MA5bagakn z28Mh/KpjOVlBRHy/tXKooKx6d390ZPVyuH74= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ns0TVWq4oiHcQImjAjRhqRnToG6Vr9Pd2xOuMg2tMKu2rlSrLhVoUsT3JEDD33RwTA lPDJOmnD5vDuU+/m2NJDVSGYrz9Vdy9uSQ5Npf+4CMl+Nn3AkR4OxDotmQXwPf0SJjA7 SO22xA8FKugOrLhwl92cSByXjRuauWL+AKs88= Received: by 10.142.126.6 with SMTP id y6mr1313111wfc.244.1229692679922; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.165.8 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:17:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812190517h61cd97ado137a7eda6ebb6707@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:17:59 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081219125123.G1595@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4d7dd86f0812181647n7fb63aabi86baf8417bfa3966@mail.gmail.com> <20081219125123.G1595@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: David N , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing Up ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:18:00 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > As ZFS is becoming more stable and approaching production ready, how >> would one "Backup" ZFS? In terms of backing up to an external media or >> storage rather than doing snapshots. In case the the server >> spontaneously bursts into flames. >> > > use tar it's filesystem independent if you have tape drives. > > actually you can tar to anything even multivolume backup using USB > connected drivers. > > I'm just curious at what others are currently doing to back up huge >> amounts of data. eg. 2TB and onwards. >> >> 1. ZFS -> External HDD (External HDD aren't even big enough to handle >> greater than 2TB) Taken offsite daily >> 2. ZFS -> Another ZFS box (Not sure how you take it off site daily) >> 3. ZFS -> Remote ZFS using RSync (Living in Australia, there are >> limits on data transfer of a few hundred GB per month, to costs are >> prohibitive) >> > > you don't require your backup target to have ZFS. Quite wrong. If you want to use the zfs send | zfs receive along with zfs snapshots tools the backup target *needs* to be ZFS. If you plan to use the zfs send | [ tar | gz ] then you can backup the snapshots anywhere you want in a compressed form. a great day, v > > > all your 3 solutions are filesystem-independent > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 14:02:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3410F1065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maxsec@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f19.google.com (mail-bw0-f19.google.com [209.85.218.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35258FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maxsec@gmail.com) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2728007bwz.19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:02:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=s1Hqpw2+yMZ0qOPTecOAYtk7BEtAwyQQndfEZ0huE0w=; b=TuG+fRAB5Of7MDhUjMPSOYKTgfvQn/OSTdLMdLHV3wMUGwS9Ud1RE1e7TgVk0slWqn pcqxuwYvIY4mHUlrH3uW+TDvRvfoIznHjO5qVwoT5rrCczXkXS5K57N8Pj8AfEKuZyYM bBNTmfKPIjiC41jM7kQfRezdColROVEMJnpzI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bGoAX7PHAM4qN7V/h3wY3PhNKmR4woSiNCJSckR9tPnGpA7llY05HE4jeqX4jrkQPc m0L8GJM9xzIIxOwO5mdhR3edXbU3MK538GssXRrA/eGTwAFYYghb9fAboanEFJYaZycL KzinOzJGZU2f01py6CJ51DKWcVuv7s1z7Fbss= Received: by 10.181.222.5 with SMTP id z5mr115934bkq.151.1229693663892; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.221.19 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:34:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72cf361e0812190534t1e21200eo9e249356384237bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:34:23 +0000 From: "Martin Hepworth" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: 6.2->6.4 network oddities X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:02:27 -0000 Hi all Just tried to do a 6.2->6.4 upgrade using the freebsd-update.sh script from http://people.freebsd.org/~cperciva/freebsd-update-upgrade.tgz. However i got really odd network things going on, main one seems to be lo0 doesn't get it's ip-address. Other things like syslogd don't start or indeed namedb. The nameservers in resolv.conf don't get queried after the first nameserver entry. anyone seem anythign like this before. Googling doesn't provide any obvious results. I've restoring to 6.2 before the users come in, but any pointers would be helpful for the near future when I try and build a test server to do this again. -- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 14:03:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6411065676 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:03:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from ns2.bafirst.com (72-12-2-19.static.networktel.net [72.12.2.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F198FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:03:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@casasponti.net) Received: from casasponti.net ([201.155.7.3]) by ns2.bafirst.com with esmtp; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:03:27 -0600 id 000D4CF6.494BA9B0.00004B77 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 80) by casasponti.net with local; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:03:27 -0600 id 00130D5B.494BA9AF.000006C7 Received: from dsl-189-190-24-18.prod-infinitum.com.mx (dsl-189-190-24-18.prod-infinitum.com.mx [189.190.24.18]) by intranet.casasponti.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:03:27 -0600 Message-ID: <20081219080327.17qwm4xcu8dckc8ck@intranet.casasponti.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:03:27 -0600 From: eculp@casasponti.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> <200812191307.23297.ottk@zzz.ee> In-Reply-To: <200812191307.23297.ottk@zzz.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (5.0-cvs) X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008111410 Firefox/3.0.4, Ant.com Toolbar 1.1 X-IMP-Server: 201.155.7.3 X-Originating-IP: 189.190.24.18 X-Originating-User: eculp@casasponti.net Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:03:29 -0000 Quoting Ott K=F6stner : > On Thursday 18 December 2008 11:25:51 pm Patrick Baldwin wrote: > >> I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really >> locked-down, high security >> box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the Web, >> and a little >> light word processing. >> >> What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? > > In this case, I would recommend to use PC-BSD. > http://www.pcbsd.org/ > > PC-BSD is full FreeBSD 7.1, with nice grapical installer, =20 > pre-configured for desktop use. Xorg, KDE, Firefox, Thunderbird, =20 > Open Office, flash, etc. -- all will work out of the box... > > After installing PC-BSD, you can think of it as a standard FreeBSD =20 > -- Upgrade ports, build kernel, etc. Does anyone know if Flash 9 works on pcbsd? In fact, I use current =20 and it works but hangs probably 4 times a day and I have to kill the =20 linux pviewer.bin processes and restart apache to continue. It is =20 much better than nothing though. I'm still using wine with windows =20 firefox and flash doesn't give me any problems but I have problems =20 with character sets so I use it only for flash. ed > > Regards, > O.K. > > > > -- > M=F5=F5da oma inteneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed > http://tallinn.speedtest.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 14:33:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3899C1065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1762D8FC1A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-244-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.244.97] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LDgPg-000FZo-QE; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:33:17 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3262B28AE2B0; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:33:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <494BB0A7.7050704@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:33:11 -0500 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Hepworth References: <72cf361e0812190534t1e21200eo9e249356384237bd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72cf361e0812190534t1e21200eo9e249356384237bd@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 6.2->6.4 network oddities X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:33:18 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martin Hepworth wrote: > Hi all > > Just tried to do a 6.2->6.4 upgrade using the freebsd-update.sh script > from http://people.freebsd.org/~cperciva/freebsd-update-upgrade.tgz. > > However i got really odd network things going on, main one seems to be > lo0 doesn't get it's ip-address. Other things like syslogd don't start > or indeed namedb. > > The nameservers in resolv.conf don't get queried after the first > nameserver entry. > > anyone seem anythign like this before. Googling doesn't provide any > obvious results. > > I've restoring to 6.2 before the users come in, but any pointers would > be helpful for the near future when I try and build a test server to > do this again. > Hi Martin, Please post relevant bits of dmesg output and /var/log/messages, and that will help everyone give you advice about how to fix the upgraded OS. Also, did you capture the output of freebsd-update during the upgrade? Best regards, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJS7Cn0sRouByUApARAtkEAJ93yOYX6eLpdPunYHz1HjqVUqxZegCcCRPN bzVpYARtUd2vQ95FHBPVfcU= =Gu/g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 14:36:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13051065675 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A2A8FC19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJEVnOp079776; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:31:49 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:31:48 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Olivier Nicole In-Reply-To: <20081219101354.17F9C10656D8@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20081220004834.L29108@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20081219101354.17F9C10656D8@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, khoogc@singnet.com.sg Subject: Re: bridge ipfw also protect set X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:36:52 -0000 On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:19:31 +0700 (ICT) Olivier Nicole wrote: [khoogc@singnet.com.sg wrote:] > > I want to give internet connectivity to a pc behind my Freebsd, which is > > connected to an aDSL. I know I can add another card to my set and use > > bridge+IPFW so that the behind pc is firewalled. But will this setup > > also ensure that my Freebsd set is firewalled? Could now figure it out > > reading the book and article. > > You don't want to use bridge! Certainly true in this instance. > 1) as far as I remember, ipfw works poorly with bridge: it would > filter only based on layer 2, not based on IP (need to confirm). Not true. I've managed a filtering bridge (also providing web and samba servers) with ipfw+dummynet for 5+ years since FreeBSD 4.8, and it works very well indeed. You can filter at layer 2 or 3, bridged and unbridged traffic, though you can only filter bridged traffic that's coming 'in'. > 2) bridge means that packets traverse the FreeBSD machine without any > modification (think of the bridge like a 2 ports Ethernet > switch). Unless you use and ADSL modem (but then you can use a > switch and connect your PC and your FreeBSD box each on one port of > the switch) it will not work. > > If your FreeBSD machine is in charge of making the ADSL connection, > it will not work. Not as a bridge, no. > 3) as suggested in the prvious reply, you need some NAT and some > routing in your FreeBSD machine. Routing is not bridge. The 'simple' ruleset in rc.firewall provides a good basic setup to protect a small network as described, including the router of course. You'll want to add a couple of rules allowing some ICMP traffic, remove rules for inbound DNS and web if you're not running those servers, etc. Read ipfw(8) about 10 times, largely ignore the current ipfw section in the handbook, and prosper .. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 14:38:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77871065675 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayk123@hotmail.com) Received: from col0-omc4-s2.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc4-s2.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94218FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayk123@hotmail.com) Received: from COL101-W32 ([65.55.34.201]) by col0-omc4-s2.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:26:51 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.112.20.212] From: Jay Sender: To: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:26:52 +0000 Importance: Low MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2008 14:26:51.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5C28570:01C961E5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: boot-only?which cds?reprobing network devices during setup? (my minor experience/complaints today..) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:38:51 -0000 AMD64/7.1RC1 =20 I couldn't find documentation as to what the "boot only" CDs are. So I tried it. Now I know. They boot=2C start setup=2C and then must get th= e "setup source" from the network (or perhaps swap CDs). =20 My machine's onboard ethernet controller is apparently not supported=2Cor n= ot quite working. It was working fine from Linux.It is a Sun machine with o= nboard nVidia ethernet. So I connected a USB to ethernet adapter.It works.But I had to reboot the c= omputer.It would a little nice if setup would re-probe devices. Also=2C when you boot the boot only CD=2C and say to use the CDfor the inst= all source=2C it errors=2C repeatedly=2C for every "package".You have to kn= ow to push control-c. I also don't see information as to what is on CD1 vs. 2 vs 3. =20 In the visual fdisk=2C I deleted a partition=2C then tried undo=2C it said it couldn't=2C that it had commited/written already. I later restar= ted setup and the deleted partition was back. It seems its understanding of what has been written is wrong. =20 (I ran FreeBSD a bunch years ago=2C around 3.x=2C but stopped once I found pulling out a USB device paniced. Ready to give it another try..well=2C for some porting work..) =20 - Jay= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 14:57:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AD01065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A1E8FC1E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A0353EA0D5 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:57:00 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aiUZ7d+gv0XQ for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:56:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from pooh.honeypot.net (pooh.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:20a:95ff:fed5:10f2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C501C53EA0CD for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:56:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: From: Kirk Strauser To: FreeBSD Questions ML Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:56:54 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:57:01 -0000 I have a 250GB drive that I use exclusively for unimportant data. I run smartd to watch the status of my drives and get regular output like: smartd[1409]: Device: /dev/ad8, 4 Offline uncorrectable sectors I've been seeing that exact message for a couple of years now and don't particularly care. I'd like to know if the drive's about to roll over and die, but I really don't need to know about the same 4 offline uncorrectable errors. Is there a way to clear that message while leaving SMART enabled on the drive? I didn't see anything specifically answering it in smartctl(8) but wondered if I missed something. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 15:31:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459C91065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:31:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B32D8FC1A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:31:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.10.103] ([74.56.107.65]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KC400J43R4H4H80@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:31:29 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <494BBEB5.1060701@optiksecurite.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:33:09 -0500 From: FreeBSD User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) To: RW References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> <20081218171135.GF5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494AAED8.2020809@optiksecurite.com> <20081218220948.3b39db08@gumby.homeunix.com> In-reply-to: <20081218220948.3b39db08@gumby.homeunix.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:31:30 -0000 RW a crit : > On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:13:12 -0500 > FreeBSD wrote: > > > >> I can't see any process within parentheses in top... I also looked at >> the -f option of ps but the process that caused the swapping are not >> listed. >> >> > > FreeBSD only swaps in extreme cases - most of the time it's paging > instead. > > If it really worries you: > > swapoff -a ; swapon -a > > Thanks a lot, it worked great! Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 15:36:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C931065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3388FC1C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.10.103] ([74.56.107.65]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KC400JOHRC54H80@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:36:05 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <494BBFCA.5060305@optiksecurite.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:37:46 -0500 From: FreeBSD User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) To: Jerry McAllister References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> <20081219040719.GA83557@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-reply-to: <20081219040719.GA83557@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SOLVED: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:36:22 -0000 Jerry McAllister a crit : > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:02:06PM -0500, FreeBSD wrote: > > >> Daniel Bye a crit : >> >>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:28:18AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: >>> >>>> On Thursday 18 December 2008 09:16:10 FreeBSD wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I have a FreeBSD 7.0-Release server that started to swap after an error >>>>> in a shell script (process spawning competition ;-) ). I killed the >>>>> shell and the RAM is now OK. The problem is that the swap is still used. >>>>> How can I "reset" the swap? >>>>> >>>> You don't. The system will handle it for you, I promise. :-) >>>> >>> And very well, too. >>> >>> You can prompt it to move pages back into RAM if you start using a swapped- >>> out process again - say, for example, a quiescent word processor had been >>> swapped out, you could get it back by raising it and starting to type. >>> >>> But as Kirk said, there really is no need. It's one of the kernel's many >>> jobs, and I'm inclined to leave it get on with it! >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >> Thanks for your answer. I'm asking here because it's been several days >> and there is still used swap for data that should never be used anymore. >> If the kernel wants to keep it, why not move it to RAM now that there is >> some free? >> > > Why bother if it isn't being currently used? > > ////jerry > > Because this server is monitored by Nagios and it emails me every hour a warning because the swap is not 100% free (I know it's pretty extreme, but I want to know if the system is swapping). I just tried swapoff -a ; swapon -a and it worked great. Thanks everyone for your answer. Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 15:48:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C121065676 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:48:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4B08FC1C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8940553EA0D5 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:48:43 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yRpX4NftlJHv for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:48:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from pooh.honeypot.net (pooh.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:20a:95ff:fed5:10f2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CDB7A53EA0CD for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:48:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6FE28B07-0ACF-4185-A01C-3FA929148F3C@strauser.com> From: Kirk Strauser To: FreeBSD Questions ML In-Reply-To: <494BBFCA.5060305@optiksecurite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:48:40 -0600 References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> <20081219040719.GA83557@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <494BBFCA.5060305@optiksecurite.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: SOLVED: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:48:44 -0000 On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:37 AM, FreeBSD wrote: > Because this server is monitored by Nagios and it emails me every > hour a warning because the swap is not 100% free (I know it's pretty > extreme, but I want to know if the system is swapping). Martin, I'm not trying to be harsh, honestly, but stop doing things like that until you understand them. FreeBSD will *copy* (not *move*, but *copy*) stuff to swap as it sees fit. I have 6GB of RAM in my home server, and at this moment "top" says this: Mem: 1060M Active, 1712M Inact, 549M Wired, 5352K Cache, 214M Buf, 2600M Free Swap: 16G Total, 3068K Used, 16G Free I know for a fact that I've never used 100% of the RAM since the last reboot, but it's still played around with 3MB of swap. This is not hurting anything, and absolutely is *not* an indication that anything is wrong or sub-optimal. Seriously, get over your obsession with keeping swap utterly empty before it drives you nuts. FreeBSD isn't designed to work that way and you'll be fighting it for no good reason whatsoever. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 15:59:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C3C1065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:59:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBB68FC1F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:59:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) Received: from pd7ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.162]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2008 08:59:35 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=ZVYjb6yJzfWhdgSHCVoA:9 a=p4E5GXOvIcaUuPuS1aBTY7m0NM0A:4 a=UfelmyxXYP8A:10 Received: from s010600121729c74c.vc.shawcable.net (HELO proven.lan) ([24.85.241.34]) by pd7ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2008 08:59:35 -0700 Received: from proven.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proven.lan (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBJFxY1e005483 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:59:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by proven.lan (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBJFxYUU005481 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:59:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: proven.lan: npapke set sender to fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca using -f From: Norbert Papke Organization: Archaeological Filing To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:59:33 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200812180455.mBI4tQwW024907@toshiba.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <200812180455.mBI4tQwW024907@toshiba.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812190759.33859.fbsd-ml@scrapper.ca> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD subject to the EAR ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:59:36 -0000 On December 17, 2008, kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp wrote: > Is Free BSD 6.3-release subject to the U.S. Export Administration > Regulation ? > > If the FreeBSD 6.3-release includes encryption software, it may be subject > to the EAR. > > Following is extract part of the EAR. > > Part 734.3 : Items subject to the EAR > > (b) The following items are not subject to the EAR: > $B!&(B > $B!&(B > (3) Publicly available technology and software, except software > controlled for > "EI" reasons under ECCN 5D002 on the Commerce Control List and > mass market encryption software with symmetric key length exceeding > 64-bits controlled under ECCN 5D992, that: I am not a lawyer, but I would stipulate that FreeBSD falls into the "publicly available" category and would therefore be exempt. -- Norbert Papke. Grand Master Turing once dreamed that he was a machine. When he awoke he exclaimed: "I don't know whether I am Turing dreaming that I am a machine, or a machine dreaming that I am Turing!" (The Tao Of Programming) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 16:00:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80DC106567D for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDE28FC18 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBJG0iru002210; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:00:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBJG0i14002207; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:00:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:00:43 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <494BBFCA.5060305@optiksecurite.com> Message-ID: <20081219165910.O2189@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> <20081219040719.GA83557@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <494BBFCA.5060305@optiksecurite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jerry McAllister , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SOLVED: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:00:54 -0000 >> ////jerry >> >> > Because this server is monitored by Nagios and it emails me every hour a > warning because the swap is not 100% free (I know it's pretty extreme, but I > want to know if the system is swapping). > > I just tried > > swapoff -a ; swapon -a > > and it worked great. > under completely normal operation when programs fit in real memory swapping CAN occur because of file caching. while programs have priority over file cache in memory, long-unused parts of system can be swapped out. i don't know what's nagios, but configure it to warn you not because there are swap used, but if there is more than a little swapping activity. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 16:01:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2A31065676 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62248FC1E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:01:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBJG1Wmn002218; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:01:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBJG1WLx002215; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:01:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:01:32 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <6FE28B07-0ACF-4185-A01C-3FA929148F3C@strauser.com> Message-ID: <20081219170108.S2189@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <494A693A.5050204@optiksecurite.com> <200812181028.18306.kirk@strauser.com> <20081218163632.GE5150@torus.slightlystrange.org> <494A820E.2030907@optiksecurite.com> <20081219040719.GA83557@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <494BBFCA.5060305@optiksecurite.com> <6FE28B07-0ACF-4185-A01C-3FA929148F3C@strauser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions ML Subject: Re: SOLVED: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:01:39 -0000 > but it's still played around with 3MB of swap. This is not hurting anything, > and absolutely is *not* an indication that anything is wrong or sub-optimal. > > Seriously, get over your obsession with keeping swap utterly empty before it > drives you nuts. FreeBSD isn't designed to work that way and you'll be > fighting it for no good reason whatsoever. > -- or simply turn off swap and set up per-user limits. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 16:03:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECE81065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:03:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E617F8FC1E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBJG3MZS002238; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:03:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBJG3M89002235; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:03:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:03:22 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081219170212.A2189@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions ML Subject: Re: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:03:29 -0000 > smartd to watch the status of my drives and get regular output like: > > smartd[1409]: Device: /dev/ad8, 4 Offline uncorrectable sectors > > I've been seeing that exact message for a couple of years now and don't > particularly care. I'd like to know if the drive's about to roll over and > die, but I really don't need to know about the same 4 offline uncorrectable > errors. > > Is there a way to clear that message while leaving SMART enabled on the > drive? I didn't see anything specifically answering it in smartctl(8) but > wondered if I missed something. maybe some time there was an error while writing something, or maybe media failed in that place. by rewriting whole drive you should be able to remove them From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 16:04:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A8E1065679 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA1A8FC2C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:04:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBJG4Bh5002245; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:04:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBJG4AVr002242; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:04:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:04:10 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Valentin Bud In-Reply-To: <139b44430812190517h61cd97ado137a7eda6ebb6707@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081219170349.U2189@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4d7dd86f0812181647n7fb63aabi86baf8417bfa3966@mail.gmail.com> <20081219125123.G1595@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812190517h61cd97ado137a7eda6ebb6707@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: David N , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing Up ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:04:18 -0000 >>> prohibitive) >>> >> >> you don't require your backup target to have ZFS. > > > Quite wrong. If you want to use the zfs send | zfs receive along with zfs quite right. i was NOT answering to zfs send/receive case! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 16:33:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F26106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E368FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:33:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBJGXMtv002345; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:33:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBJGXKSL002342; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:33:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:33:20 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081219173158.P2341@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot-only?which cds?reprobing network devices during setup? (my minor experience/complaints today..) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:33:34 -0000 > > AMD64/7.1RC1 > > I couldn't find documentation as to what the "boot only" CDs are. > So I tried it. Now I know. They boot, start setup, and then must get the "setup source" from the network (or perhaps swap CDs). > > My machine's onboard ethernet controller is apparently not supported,or not quite working. It was working fine from Linux.It is a Sun machine with onboard nVidia ethernet. well nvidia ethernet chips are well... specific. some works SOMEHOW, some not at all. mine works about 1 minute after starting, then it stops ;) (nve driver) > So I connected a USB to ethernet adapter.It works.But I had to reboot the computer.It would a little nice if setup would re-probe devices. exit just setup and get back. kernel do autoattach, just setup scans devices once. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 16:46:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57939106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:46:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38398FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:46:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5982253EA0CD; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:24 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IgQ+DqOJPrzQ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from pooh.honeypot.net (pooh.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:20a:95ff:fed5:10f2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 70B3053EA04A; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:22 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <907A7FC9-2B3C-4AFC-9622-47AAAA34FC7C@strauser.com> From: Kirk Strauser To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20081219170212.A2189@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-38-142390299" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:16 -0600 References: <20081219170212.A2189@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d55 (v55, Leopard) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions ML Subject: Re: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:46:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-38-142390299 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 19, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > by rewriting whole drive you should be able to remove them I tried running "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad8 bs=1m" a while back but I'm still getting them. At this point, I imagine that I really do have bad sectors. I'm fine with that. I just don't want to hear about them any more. :-) -- Kirk Strauser --Apple-Mail-38-142390299 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFJS8/Z5sRg+Y0CpvERAr5EAJ9Dj+FzJOQ+mb+OLrCvTAy75pt1LQCdGUM4 BGY7qbk1pcoXpZz9j2KNCtE= =XZSN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-38-142390299-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 16:55:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1FE1065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:55:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryce.simonds@charteramg.com) Received: from omr5.networksolutionsemail.com (omr5.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8CC8FC12 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:55:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryce.simonds@charteramg.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr5.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.68]) by omr5.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id mBJGfpEY031797 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:41:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 6231 invoked by uid 78); 19 Dec 2008 16:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Tiger) (72.48.154.85) by ns-omr5.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2008 16:41:51 -0000 From: "Bryce Simonds" To: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:41:49 -0600 Message-ID: <000301c961f8$b1830ff0$14892fd0$@simonds@charteramg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aclh+LBP2jyF0RAVQj6Ywnb/jKhqvg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Crunchgen & Init X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:55:12 -0000 Hi, I've been attempting to build a very minimal FreeBSD memdisk image to boot to and I've been having some difficulties with a few things, particularly it seems that when I attempt to use a custom made crunchgen binary (Based off of the rescue config) init crashes with signal 6 and an exit code of 0, and the system informs me it will reboot after 15 seconds. No other errors appear on the screen at the time. Does anyone know why init would do this? Signal 6 appears to be a SIGABRT. Thank you, Bryce Simonds From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 17:06:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299B71065674 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6328FC19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LDinf-0000Mg-JI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:06:07 -0800 Message-ID: <21094731.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:06:07 -0800 (PST) From: Karrj To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: John.Karr@bt.com Subject: Netstat command output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:06:09 -0000 Hello - Warning - I am new to FreeBSD. I am not sure this is the correct forum for this post - forgive me if it is not and please direct me to the correct area. I have installed FreeBSD on a HP Proliant DL380 G3 server with (2) NICs. I have also installed Dummynet and NetSNMP as my ultimate goal is to use this as a WAN emulator. I was doing some initial testing where the FreeBSD box acts as a router between two subnets where an ftp client is on one subnet and an ftp server is on the other. I kick off an ftp get of a 9 MB file and at the same time initiate a netstat -w1 -Ibge0 command on the FreeBSD. The outputput of the command indicates a relatively small number of input errors (<10 per interval). The same command on the bge1 interface is all zeros. This is repeatable every time I perform the ftp get. I performed the same test without the FreeBSD box by having the client and server connected to the same subnet through the same switch ports and no errors according to the trace analysis - no retransmissions, etc shown in the trace. My questions are related to the meaning and interpretation of the output of the netstat command and how to resolve the errors. 1) What is the meaning of input errors? Is it bad CRC at layer 2? What would be meant by output errors in the command? The interface cannot see the packets after they have been transmitted. I would like a technical explanation of the output of this netstat command. 2) How to alleviate the errors? Is this a buffer issue? How to determine the NIC type? Any feedback would be most appreciated. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Netstat-command-output-tp21094731p21094731.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 17:32:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77751065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:32:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926BD8FC2C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:32:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C133E1ED359; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id B65BE1ED364; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:32:40 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:32:37 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: FreeBSD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: SOLVED: Simple swap question Thread-Index: Aclh/8jJDI/kGUbaDU6IhGHriBOCEA== In-Reply-To: <494BBFCA.5060305@optiksecurite.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SOLVED: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:32:43 -0000 On 12/19/08 10:37 AM, "FreeBSD" wrote: > Because this server is monitored by Nagios and it emails me every hour a > warning because the swap is not 100% free (I know it's pretty extreme, > but I want to know if the system is swapping). if a swap space is available and swapping not turned off, it seems reasonable to expect the OS to use it as it sees fit. rather than trying to tinker with the kernel's swapping policy on the fly every time you get a warning, perhaps think about either telling nagios not to worry about it or don't use swapping. i'd go with the former. but you say you want to ensure that swap doesn't get used -- so maybe get rid of the swap slice? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 17:35:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBE81065678 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:35:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195288FC23 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:35:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B30E71ECF1A; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 7CA991EC4A9; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:35:22 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:35:18 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Kirk Strauser Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? Thread-Index: AcliACjAUiFzp0BkJkq4tvj5vakbeA== In-Reply-To: <907A7FC9-2B3C-4AFC-9622-47AAAA34FC7C@strauser.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions ML Subject: Re: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:35:23 -0000 On 12/19/08 11:46 AM, "Kirk Strauser" wrote: > I just don't want to hear about them any more. :-) reconfigure smartd? i'm not convinced that smart monitoring is of much value even on disks with important data. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 17:38:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72871065678 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C7C8FC22 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EAC53EA0D6 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:38:31 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qJEP6BhhlLKd for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:38:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from pooh.honeypot.net (pooh.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:20a:95ff:fed5:10f2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8BC5553EA0CD for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:38:29 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <654A1341-DB2B-4370-81BD-C910E8E14031@strauser.com> From: Kirk Strauser To: FreeBSD Questions ML In-Reply-To: <494BD585.9000405@mdchs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:38:29 -0600 References: <20081219170212.A2189@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <907A7FC9-2B3C-4AFC-9622-47AAAA34FC7C@strauser.com> <494BD585.9000405@mdchs.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:38:32 -0000 On Dec 19, 2008, at 11:10 AM, James Tanis wrote: > To answer your question, I don't believe smartd is sophisticated > enough to filter out specific errors. It's meant to warn you at the > first sign of drive failure so you will have time to replace the > drive. It doesn't exactly provide a meter of how imminent drive > failure is. If your going to start ignoring it's advice it isn't > going to be very useful to you at all. I beg to differ. "smartctl -H /dev/ad8" says that it passes its self- assessment and doesn't expect the drive to flat-out die any day soon. I'd still like to know if the error count increased, or if it started to detect imminent failure. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 17:38:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6DF1065675 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915688FC1D for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zszalbot@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1093272yxb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:38:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=R/+wytuX3Vfv/8k6X1FD1IBqTNNVfb+fIESCmxlCH1s=; b=BsYMZawEKkxxrqBBlKK5Bpnss12h9VNhC0VQ7P9L6DtniCB4CnSeUIwV6tr3HoSaIG rfMRaT8cpPepW7PmIC1hD/8wkKxOGH4DCyo3jG5Yb14oNzhcS/NBOz/SoQyMh6hq07LL +01IwGJ6PS7M3kD7jQ8L+rSycmEjS6oakYB3w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=CN5GAm+Ikbt0pZijU29pprncO9xrJWWSAByrTrhJVHxx7Co9bxaSGeKMpT05ReZwS6 0t4wZNHVzODtB4gBkf/cZZaIOYSNqEfuEE3ond4nGHiIK+X3TR3t5rSse01FHcXHdpxs csGdL/bW6VltwEmh91n5gjj6jmMPDVqz9pBj0= Received: by 10.64.243.19 with SMTP id q19mr2606258qbh.50.1229708337512; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.179.9 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:38:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94136a2c0812190938r7a31b238y4f6b401b086183ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:38:57 +0100 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "User Questions" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <907A7FC9-2B3C-4AFC-9622-47AAAA34FC7C@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:38:58 -0000 Hi, > i'm not convinced that smart monitoring is of much value even on disks with > important data. It is if taken seriously. A smartd error was once ignored, the rest (including data) is history. Thank you for FreeBSD! -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl www.slowo.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 17:46:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0739D1065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0223.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.223]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8928FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay01.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 397905D9054A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:46:13 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 3b7ce2825a9d12c5, 944facfeb153b4f0, eagletree@hughes.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, RULES_HIT:355:379:541:564:945:946:966:973:988:989:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1542:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2196:2199:2379:2393:2559:2562:2693:2902:3354:3636:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3874:3876:3877:4321:4385:4605:5007:6114:6117:6119:7652:7903:8501:9121, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from [192.168.0.3] (dpc6744118153.direcpc.com [67.44.118.153]) (Authenticated sender: eagletree@hughes.net) by omf09.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <34058EDE-BC14-4DCC-AF3C-100F77DEE486@hughes.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: FreeBSD-Questions Questions From: Chris Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:46:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-session-marker: 6561676C6574726565406875676865732E6E6574 Subject: Linking libraries for compat_linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:46:15 -0000 I've bumped into a library I can't resolve and I must have a disconnect in how the linux_compat works because I can't see how it could be solved. I have the following: * compat_linux enabled in the kernel, * /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base_fc7 * sysctl kern.fallback_elf_brand=3 * rpm2cpio to alter rpms * cpio to create the directories and place the files where they belong in /compat/linux. I have a program that now has all it's libraries resolved but one in preparation to attempt to run the Linux Quickbooks install on FreeBSD. The ldd output, prior to installing /usr/ports/devel/fam (a required shared library) looks like this. ldd ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: libfam.so.0 => not found libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x28072000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x28088000) libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x28171000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x28198000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x281a4000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x28054000) I install fam to get rid of the not found, perform the following link: ln /usr/local/lib/libfam.so.0 /compat/linux/lib/libfam.so.0 and then I get this: ldd ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: error while loading shared libraries: / lib/libfam.so.0: ELF file OS ABI invalid ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: exit status 127 which kind of makes sense since this library is not a linux library. I'd read that I don't need to brandelf -t linux a library but I tried that anyway, realizing it was likely meaningless (or harmful). It didn't help of course. My next thought was to try and get a libfam.so.0 binary from a linux distro but stopped when it occurred to me that it would be illogical since fam uses kqueue on FreeBSD rather than something called imon. imon is not available for FreeBSD so a linux version shouldn't be able to function if it expects that. On FreeBSD, fam configures itself to not use imon. What is the appropriate course of action to get a linux flavor shared library for fam (or anything which runs into such conflicts) that will work on FreeBSD yet be recognized as suitable for linux under the compat mode? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 18:02:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB731065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CE68FC1F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optiksecurite.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.10.103] ([74.56.107.65]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KC400APHY4LP9O0@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:02:45 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <494BE22A.3060301@optiksecurite.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:04:26 -0500 From: FreeBSD User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) To: Tom Worster References: In-reply-to: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SOLVED: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:02:53 -0000 Tom Worster a crit : > On 12/19/08 10:37 AM, "FreeBSD" wrote: > > >> Because this server is monitored by Nagios and it emails me every hour a >> warning because the swap is not 100% free (I know it's pretty extreme, >> but I want to know if the system is swapping). >> > > if a swap space is available and swapping not turned off, it seems > reasonable to expect the OS to use it as it sees fit. > > rather than trying to tinker with the kernel's swapping policy on the fly > every time you get a warning, perhaps think about either telling nagios not > to worry about it or don't use swapping. i'd go with the former. but you say > you want to ensure that swap doesn't get used -- so maybe get rid of the > swap slice? > This server is very lightly used, so most of the time if the swap is getting used it shows that something is going wrong. This warning already proved usefull once, so I don't think I'm going to change it. I don't want to mess with the kernel actions, but there was no reason to keep this in swap. I understand that the kernel can't know that, that's why I wanted to know the way to "reset" the swap. There is always a lot of free or inactive RAM and, in normal condition, the swap should not be used. It's been like that for months, so I think it's a good idea to be notified if the swap is used. Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 18:07:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9194F1065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97CF8FC17 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:07:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBJI7oJp074607; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:07:51 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk mBJI7oJp074607 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1229710071; bh=lE/n4wyGELRyVU a4OEm/wsx8HXmUKqCSQVSr2fPEJYM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type: Date:From:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Mes sage-ID:=20<494BE2EC.20407@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Fri,=201 9=20Dec=202008=2018:07:40=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User-A gent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.18=20(X11/20081125)|MIME-Version:=201.0 |To:=20Karrj=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.o rg|Subject:=20Re:=20Netstat=20command=20output|References:=20<21094 731.post@talk.nabble.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<21094731.post@talk.nabble .com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed =3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-si gnature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig380075DC9986FC35F77 396EF"; b=xMN519TDYzTfYUfz3xV47ZXhwsIGzB1hp0v834DGGem0xjwMNfK3fiB6/ 0gL8rpa+HMQgabDKZW5jOALVOx3Re2IZyA5Vd/Qbg/4oySmIHw7G/oKPPq+PB1zBRft wiseP/xBmgcCNUQMPWmNTZP4IzlStyeTAdK3Q1I86jZl4iM= Message-ID: <494BE2EC.20407@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:07:40 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karrj References: <21094731.post@talk.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <21094731.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig380075DC9986FC35F77396EF" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:07:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8786/Fri Dec 19 10:30:31 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netstat command output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:07:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig380075DC9986FC35F77396EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Karrj wrote: > Hello - Warning - I am new to FreeBSD. I am not sure this is the corre= ct > forum for this post - forgive me if it is not and please direct me to t= he > correct area. I have installed FreeBSD on a HP Proliant DL380 G3 server= with > (2) NICs. I have also installed Dummynet and NetSNMP as my ultimate goa= l is > to use this as a WAN emulator. I was doing some initial testing where t= he > FreeBSD box acts as a router between two subnets where an ftp client is= on > one subnet and an ftp server is on the other. I kick off an ftp get of = a 9 > MB file and at the same time initiate a netstat -w1 -Ibge0 command on t= he > FreeBSD. The outputput of the command indicates a relatively small numb= er of > input errors (<10 per interval). The same command on the bge1 interface= is > all zeros. This is repeatable every time I perform the ftp get. I perfo= rmed > the same test without the FreeBSD box by having the client and server > connected to the same subnet through the same switch ports and no error= s > according to the trace analysis - no retransmissions, etc shown in the > trace. My questions are related to the meaning and interpretation of th= e > output of the netstat command and how to resolve the errors. 1) What is= the > meaning of input errors? Is it bad CRC at layer 2? What would be meant = by > output errors in the command? The interface cannot see the packets afte= r > they have been transmitted. I would like a technical explanation of the= > output of this netstat command. 2) How to alleviate the errors? Is this= a > buffer issue? How to determine the NIC type?=20 > Any feedback would be most appreciated. Hmm... well, to determine the NIC type, look at the interface name. In F= reeBSD, the i/f device depends on the chipset of the NIC. There are manual pages= for all of the available types: bge(4) in your case. If you need more detail= , look at the boot-time dmesg output -- ie /var/run/dmesg.boot -- or you can ext= ract PCI ID numbers etc. using 'pciconf -lv'. =20 If you're only seeing errors on the input side on bge0, that sounds like a duplex mismatch to me. What's the output of 'ifconfig bge0'? If it claims the connection is running at 100Mb/s half duplex then you've almos= t certainly got a mismatch between switch and server -- one is trying to au= toneg, and the other is wired to a fixed speed. Either set them both to autoneg= , or wire them both down. (100Mb half duplex is the default setting a NIC wil= l use when it fails to negotiate correctly with a switch.) Same sort of effect /can/ be caused by a dodgy patch lead, but I assume that's one of the first things you'ld have swapped out in trying to debug= this. To tell exactly what the errors are you're going to need some more sophis= ticated analysis tools than netstat(1). tcpdump(1) and/or wireshark (from ports)= are probably your best bet. If you don't want to put an X environment on you= r FreeBSD box, then use 'tcpdump -i bge0 -s 0 -w /some/filename' to capture= the packet flows, then copy the file to another machine where you have wiresh= ark running. Note that some modern NICs with hardware checksum offloading can give fal= se checksum errors on locally generated traffic -- essentially tcpdump grabs= a copy of the outgoing packet before the NIC can calculate the checksum and inse= rt it. This will only affect programs like tcpdump(1). It won't cause the error = counters netstat(1) reports to be incremented. If you do see this sort of thing, = then you just need another machine you can do packet capture on to prove to yo= urself that the checksums are correct over the wire. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig380075DC9986FC35F77396EF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEUEAREIAAYFAklL4vYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxqbACghrRlaIVk5GYC58JL/fToYKzz 7eMAmIdCJg/zr+1aVsVJYn9DQ16c+hA= =kbZV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig380075DC9986FC35F77396EF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 18:13:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DD61065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7AA8FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1098848ywe.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:13:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Otk5iSeOE7rCmkUkfzJaj/9lyJNievd4rJMQrrm1OTo=; b=QoIc/jFYfl1e8b0yMOFHE/kjE2N0gQHGX4ByTy2ggdnreEt433EbiwoqwbjPmoU2m+ I/NISsdAe/vQZIR56FvJ4glDC7nQJnSNUTL40sh7xoeerNNwgo+FJaWLI7nq1ful+56m RcZGTmLzcXgvqHs+uqwKk6jq63DjoxjyUlv9M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=DNeOTn12ZiiHlB1HCjvZPVw2La5z4O7WyShJ05CrE6gETPIQlzMD8fh0ViKQNBKuXp uzNc5L1wWy0Vqpx+5OAomFpKlKq5FgfqYvt/Cwhv3vqUE+8GseKLwlCNRKSgcgVyr5j7 2ogCdlucrSSfhZatm8IvXOCq8QfAqTWBnWcDQ= Received: by 10.142.210.8 with SMTP id i8mr37757wfg.343.1229710434658; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.165.8 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:13:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <139b44430812191013lb9217ddj5054dd5a7c9eb51a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:13:54 +0200 From: "Valentin Bud" To: "Wojciech Puchar" In-Reply-To: <20081219170349.U2189@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4d7dd86f0812181647n7fb63aabi86baf8417bfa3966@mail.gmail.com> <20081219125123.G1595@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <139b44430812190517h61cd97ado137a7eda6ebb6707@mail.gmail.com> <20081219170349.U2189@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: David N , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing Up ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:13:56 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > prohibitive) >>>> >>>> >>> you don't require your backup target to have ZFS. >>> >> >> >> Quite wrong. If you want to use the zfs send | zfs receive along with zfs >> > quite right. i was NOT answering to zfs send/receive case! > that's the purpose of "quite". didn't know for sure what you were referring to. a great day, v From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 18:37:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA9A1065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77048FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1103726ywe.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:37:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=rke4fepYaA0X8E4fTskC9Sl3Zf9py4ctZ4PyRfoNtts=; b=hJx7jzbsKL3UZD1Ksjj19VOsp/xDfEZKgd5XQq8aJjW6E3MzjaDj9wgQbYmlZubn3l adW56eb9Qcbchd2eq3+565y7ZZJQOG07izmlXDAeJxcQSgXt9QHCNI0czH8M7Umnz+6L ZYTl0U6UwnZ5fmspmu0/FQUvle0eNjpBTIdzE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=OoWLAz3i/Cz23DJR0r3E6ngZqCD3i5cJSbAJKLjb4m5892jYCQdP+LvWXdNS4zMJNQ rsSWBemXom/FV8j3LAAbi1KN6NtDTsxyI7ZuW12Wfg3wwwbyOh0K9XirNbsO+NTPXplZ F/XLMZ2p+qX6fJQxoRNSGTLbQVXTJ0e1JEO64= Received: by 10.100.5.16 with SMTP id 16mr2390898ane.146.1229710533971; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.254.17 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:15:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <57d710000812191015k4d9a80a6nd142c867084d92fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:15:33 -0800 From: "pete wright" To: "Matt Emmerton" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200812190253.TAA04241@lariat.net> Cc: Brett Glass , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secondary DNS or BSD Server space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:37:19 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Matt Emmerton wrote: >> Everyone: >> >> We just got word that Neustar, which bought DNS service provider >> Nominum a few years ago, is shutting down Nominum's >> "secondary.com" service. The service used to provide secondary DNS >> for users' zones at no charge. >> >> I and the other secondary.com users I know think it's reasonable >> for the company to charge a small but reasonable fee for the >> service instead of keeping it running for free. But alas, Neustar >> is getting greedy. The only alternative they offer is a $50-a-month >> "managed DNS" service, which we don't want or need. (We're fine >> maintaining our own master servers and zones; we just need a slave >> to use as a secondary.) So, we're looking for alternatives. >> >> Does anyone on this list know of a good, BSD-based service which >> offers reasonably priced secondary DNS? Or reasonably priced >> servers at a server farm, where I and others can set up a secondary DNS >> server? > > There was a thread on this just the other day here. Not sure if they are > BSD-based, but both dyndns.org and zoneedit.com offser secondary service for > practically nothing. > I'm %99 sure that dyndns.org is FBSD based. I've been using them for a while now and am quite happy with them too. if you check out their jobs board there are openings for FreeBSD engineers: http://dynamicnetworkservices.com/jobs-hiring -pete -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 18:51:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1D7106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john.karr@bt.com) Received: from smtp1.smtp.bt.com (smtp1.smtp.bt.com [217.32.164.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D930E8FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john.karr@bt.com) Received: from E03MVB2-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.108]) by smtp1.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:19:05 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:19:03 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <494BE2EC.20407@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Netstat command output Thread-Index: AcliBLkFbgxkLuxeQQO5piYpjf//DgAAT6jQ References: <21094731.post@talk.nabble.com> <494BE2EC.20407@infracaninophile.co.uk> From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2008 18:19:05.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[46DE9D50:01C96206] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Netstat command output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:51:11 -0000 Thanks for the response. I will heed your suggestions.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Seaman [mailto:m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk]=20 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:08 PM To: Karr,JE,John,JGU8 R Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netstat command output Karrj wrote: > Hello - Warning - I am new to FreeBSD. I am not sure this is the correct > forum for this post - forgive me if it is not and please direct me to the > correct area. I have installed FreeBSD on a HP Proliant DL380 G3 server with > (2) NICs. I have also installed Dummynet and NetSNMP as my ultimate goal is > to use this as a WAN emulator. I was doing some initial testing where the > FreeBSD box acts as a router between two subnets where an ftp client is on > one subnet and an ftp server is on the other. I kick off an ftp get of a 9 > MB file and at the same time initiate a netstat -w1 -Ibge0 command on the > FreeBSD. The outputput of the command indicates a relatively small number of > input errors (<10 per interval). The same command on the bge1 interface is > all zeros. This is repeatable every time I perform the ftp get. I performed > the same test without the FreeBSD box by having the client and server > connected to the same subnet through the same switch ports and no errors > according to the trace analysis - no retransmissions, etc shown in the > trace. My questions are related to the meaning and interpretation of the > output of the netstat command and how to resolve the errors. 1) What is the > meaning of input errors? Is it bad CRC at layer 2? What would be meant by > output errors in the command? The interface cannot see the packets after > they have been transmitted. I would like a technical explanation of the > output of this netstat command. 2) How to alleviate the errors? Is this a > buffer issue? How to determine the NIC type?=20 > Any feedback would be most appreciated. Hmm... well, to determine the NIC type, look at the interface name. In FreeBSD, the i/f device depends on the chipset of the NIC. There are manual pages for all of the available types: bge(4) in your case. If you need more detail, look at the boot-time dmesg output -- ie /var/run/dmesg.boot -- or you can extract PCI ID numbers etc. using 'pciconf -lv'. =20 If you're only seeing errors on the input side on bge0, that sounds like a duplex mismatch to me. What's the output of 'ifconfig bge0'? If it claims the connection is running at 100Mb/s half duplex then you've almost certainly got a mismatch between switch and server -- one is trying to autoneg, and the other is wired to a fixed speed. Either set them both to autoneg, or wire them both down. (100Mb half duplex is the default setting a NIC will use when it fails to negotiate correctly with a switch.) Same sort of effect /can/ be caused by a dodgy patch lead, but I assume that's one of the first things you'ld have swapped out in trying to debug this. To tell exactly what the errors are you're going to need some more sophisticated analysis tools than netstat(1). tcpdump(1) and/or wireshark (from ports) are probably your best bet. If you don't want to put an X environment on your FreeBSD box, then use 'tcpdump -i bge0 -s 0 -w /some/filename' to capture the packet flows, then copy the file to another machine where you have wireshark running. Note that some modern NICs with hardware checksum offloading can give false checksum errors on locally generated traffic -- essentially tcpdump grabs a copy of the outgoing packet before the NIC can calculate the checksum and insert it. This will only affect programs like tcpdump(1). It won't cause the error counters netstat(1) reports to be incremented. If you do see this sort of thing, then you just need another machine you can do packet capture on to prove to yourself that the checksums are correct over the wire. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:00:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0751065674 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337008FC19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghartl@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1108695yxb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:00:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=k/Exkbi8RDoWM3yG2WH8VtuNjmVKbWCzmbgdWmdCdg0=; b=vFykQIFAyd4avSYw4aQvRt53MNaCu1t3wiPPkkqZzF7buT6DUoXj3mtXfisEd8GY6W jQ8QTV4m2QZ1qMbeWLgvVy4GdKMhhWtscbAixlezLDuLpa9ptGZ4jxDNCh3vOYFqXsp8 jtaDozOY9q5On2n7OZhnw4fDohTpe8dHwGx5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=mBDwFudJNyYIJFeuVpIivapHHEiRwQFhqUpcZqSHRnNdH9upsa8qRhb73SvamuLend nxnEbkHFsuxqGkQgZG+sDEEyRyxt79WjsnWht8M2L9smK3VxOr8Z0m77iGRsDPYkRQ1Q 07nKsnyDxYebP8CUwPyT2n2WUic+33yadxyco= Received: by 10.65.241.15 with SMTP id t15mr2668047qbr.8.1229713214099; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mainpc (d226-16-220.home.cgocable.net [24.226.16.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm6896801qbw.16.2008.12.19.11.00.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:00:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Gary Hartl" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:59:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcliC/u1EPo57yT5SpOImsyr/XvO+w== Content-Language: en-ca Subject: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:00:15 -0000 Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd 7-release server. IT seems to be causeing some http outages. My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. Any suggestions, Cheers, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:05:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F10106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:05:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9423E8FC1B for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.4.1 anthesphoria.net mBJJ5476075153 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1229713513; bh=BKcssBWGbqlV5qo5hb+u2l6QoDYwbN7cWbWYPgUsG +8=; l=1416; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint:X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OrGMEV69NCpnvMz6ni9Uv8hF 4+L8piwoMcmN5pHkUfAs9Kmng+QTdK1ZhgOjiW9z74/1R6d5cG4DaFHLcLLZWO2lxxq 39cY5Atr2sFDRQ+1VZ3jqnLweSEzsPY/vapd2V9WC/UuKxrIbs3hLL6o1u0XyDhz4Wk s3fvt7NCwRVz0= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-200-199.eunet.yu [213.198.200.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJJ5476075153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:05:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:00:51 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: "pete wright" , "Matt Emmerton" , Brett Glass Message-ID: <20081219200051.5bf69f77@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <57d710000812191015k4d9a80a6nd142c867084d92fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <200812190253.TAA04241@lariat.net> <57d710000812191015k4d9a80a6nd142c867084d92fa@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE/i386 X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver: x-hkp://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Secondary DNS or BSD Server space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:05:15 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:15:33 -0800 "pete wright" wrote: =20 [...] > > There was a thread on this just the other day here. Not sure if > > they are BSD-based, but both dyndns.org and zoneedit.com offser > > secondary service for practically nothing. >=20 > I'm %99 sure that dyndns.org is FBSD based. I've been using them for > a while now and am quite happy with them too. if you check out their > jobs board there are openings for FreeBSD engineers: DynDNS is FreeBSD based, ZoneEdit is not: http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?position=3Dlimited&host=3Ddyndns.com http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=3Ddyndns.com http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?position=3Dlimited&host=3Dzoneedit.com http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=3Dzoneedit.com - --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 =3D =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0= =B5=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B fingerprint : FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iJwEAQEDAAYFAklL72wACgkQ/MM/0rYIoZiqnAP/SFi5UwDec1/EZ1u4BGVAthyF E33tebKZ9nkngU0GWtbWeSFCc21hG+MRySE9sY+h+8yEVjuxganeEnqJZH8QLRfF NTkEJ1bZijK2bbaxU/E6wi/N7M0KtF8FWSzWGyOAvf7SJvY5xFfbahQLc1iLjUNO HRnbtUrRPoIxWYp/izU=3D =3D9VkX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:05:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB37106570F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7428FC1E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:05:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so1439492ewy.19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:05:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9HzBeaIZyZ4xYyF6zRtwibvAtLGp7Z0G7yqz4z7ipvw=; b=B0/FPKwsMIUVQkCnKGYAa46KwaDgBxkPuwgD2B5k5DriMYu6DDSmR7jObtU3vHo9ab QpwNRr1xtP4v5SaV5XAW/GSdNe8AuPh9hYk5dfceJA7/ejkB8sgjAnrvQ50PyPW659Tw QnwbmvfjfIKWMk2B+UGsZ56YzkCQHABFa1ku8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xcM0HGPhSl9HVMOE6O4oxJuXQSf1EmzWKoOJe8N8D75EgQGTqBq7bS/XcF1N+IvUSg ygLFQ3BtM5jFirpnveOPNsiorHlhnjdAiViOKkGa1kh6qbizCQ/UCa9vdfmePxIWjU5z tGcrUrsX3ETkukQDwwVc9NoyaCE/H3r8woqHA= Received: by 10.210.24.12 with SMTP id 12mr4165402ebx.34.1229713539710; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y37sm9917978iky.16.2008.12.19.11.05.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:05:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:03:45 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081219190345.1fb2ceb9@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <494BE22A.3060301@optiksecurite.com> References: <494BE22A.3060301@optiksecurite.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SOLVED: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:05:41 -0000 On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:04:26 -0500 FreeBSD wrote: > This server is very lightly used, so most of the time if the swap is > getting used it shows that something is going wrong. This warning > already proved usefull once, so I don't think I'm going to change it. > I don't want to mess with the kernel actions, but there was no reason > to keep this in swap. It's the other way around, if a page is written-out to swap and then read back into ram, there's no point in ditching the on-disk copy as long as it's still valid. If the kernel runs short of memory again, it can reuse such pages instantaneously. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:06:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988BE1065676 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9378FC1F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2478088rvf.43 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:06:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=TxQf3obD/+/Ce7KG9o3MXXYZKecy9ykAprZsjUhFn8Y=; b=kTOcBFy1kfzAggox6AWNzdwEkSUFNyF4eB1WRJfxxFFA8goqA66/xP/MZZzAFUZpT9 L5qgppy2AtVRoEEqgo4bHxJtJ1OFx6MfO+DIGOdbcmYgTJycS//SjbukB3mFWZ9QXeW6 4RrJQhhawDuLBWELWUv+ZFVI8BbBl9YbVas/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; 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Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C528FC20 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id D1611383BC; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:10:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7828380F7; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:10:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90-227-65-237-no41.tbcn.telia.com [90.227.65.237]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7AD37E46; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:10:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <494BF1BB.1020508@telia.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:10:51 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson <240olofsson@telia.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Hartl References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raggen@raggens.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:10:59 -0000 Gary Hartl skrev: > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > > > Any suggestions, > > > Cheers, > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 2008-12-19 10:09 > Locate roof in ports and build roof! /R From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:16:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDB81065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D758FC19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2DB53EA0D6 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:16:15 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3L-vixkJGt9v for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:16:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from pooh.honeypot.net (pooh.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:20a:95ff:fed5:10f2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24EC453EA0CD for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:16:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: From: Kirk Strauser To: FreeBSD Questions ML In-Reply-To: <494BE22A.3060301@optiksecurite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:16:07 -0600 References: <494BE22A.3060301@optiksecurite.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: SOLVED: Simple swap question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:16:16 -0000 On Dec 19, 2008, at 12:04 PM, FreeBSD wrote: > > This server is very lightly used, so most of the time if the swap is > getting used it shows that something is going wrong. No it doesn't. Get that wrong idea out of your head. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:18:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4591065675 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6598FC18 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so2482854rvf.43 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:18:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=7gv6bHnl5YosTvdwnej7uy3SwAQv3Ll2vlxknLb0CW8=; b=d+NojXqZZ1a/14+yaJTnyHJqtUt04nuoIcC3eR9lpajO6A5JcI7uchuk761J5WwVRq iHRvhZ3r9yy017iquWjWTrxymZtfkXm1HusjYtK5Wkp3CguW9hhjqbDquqaylk0CLUF8 FhoZFoP0kGPzdsyYPDAegQjjxczUC9TcbbKo8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=p1B/iVB5tDXsCq3MZak8KcR9B74pbWMy1IQdmtpyVR/2fiEH1Z/mT6VmSEkr8taa0d Y2+6Kc+g2Elz7nbyPhXaEzUzxFgW3b+IiWMTxUBPrpl2UYshf82Mkpl2q2FsZ0AZkc/1 +rxEti5SWbLmGViaIMhq4XLvVCvTmP2PcwjXM= Received: by 10.141.176.16 with SMTP id d16mr1714785rvp.200.1229714299913; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.170.14 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:18:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5635aa0d0812191118v666c1dfg57570736ac0b7e80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:18:19 +0700 From: "Outback Dingo" To: "Gary Kline" , "Outback Dingo" , "Brett Glass" , questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081219191047.GC35674@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812190253.TAA04241@lariat.net> <5635aa0d0812181923tebd27den83f97766f860d6a6@mail.gmail.com> <20081219092855.GD9846@thought.org> <20081219191047.GC35674@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Secondary DNS or BSD Server space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:18:20 -0000 sounds like we should come up with a replicable secondary zones system based on bind and setup a few locations for redundency we could create a global redundent BSDDNSSEC.com if we pitched in and created something to replicate data between a few hosts value added BSD services, ill have a minimal system functional by morning, i was looking at a few options for doing this. suggestions ? On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Chris Cowart wrote: > [dropping -questions as a Cc] > > Gary Kline wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:23:55AM +0700, Outback Dingo wrote: > >> i have space on a freebsd system in the states, i could do secondary for > >> anybody, and we could create a new service, with a web based management > >> facility > >> its plainly a dns backup for us and a backup secondary failover web site > for > >> extremely low traffic, if you guys want to picth in, we can bring > something > >> together > > > > Count me in. i'll do whatever i can with my servers. > > I'm running an authoritative nameserver and a webserver out of a > datacenter in Fremont, CA, US for personal use. I'd be interested in > getting in on this too. > > -- > Chris Cowart > Network Technical Lead > Network & Infrastructure Services, RSSP-IT > UC Berkeley > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:20:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E831065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2012C8FC1E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 51755 invoked by uid 89); 19 Dec 2008 19:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steve@ibctech.ca@::ffff:208.70.104.100) by ::ffff:208.70.104.210 with ESMTPA; 19 Dec 2008 19:30:50 -0000 Message-ID: <494BF404.2080505@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:20:36 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: raggen@raggens.net References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> <494BF1BB.1020508@telia.com> In-Reply-To: <494BF1BB.1020508@telia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Gary Hartl Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:20:35 -0000 Roger Olofsson wrote: > Gary Hartl skrev: >> Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd >> 7-release server. >> >> IT seems to be causeing some http outages. >> >> My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > Locate roof in ports and build roof! Better yet, do what they do just west of me in Toronto... call in the Army ;) Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:28:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33BB1065675 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:28:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: from hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (hal.Rescomp.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.70.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9F58FC12 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:28:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: by hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (Postfix, from userid 1225) id 669A93C045D; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:10:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:10:47 -0800 From: Chris Cowart To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20081219191047.GC35674@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Gary Kline , Outback Dingo , Brett Glass , questions@freebsd.org References: <200812190253.TAA04241@lariat.net> <5635aa0d0812181923tebd27den83f97766f860d6a6@mail.gmail.com> <20081219092855.GD9846@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ylS2wUBXLOxYXZFQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081219092855.GD9846@thought.org> Organization: RSSP-IT, UC Berkeley User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: Outback Dingo , questions@freebsd.org, Brett Glass Subject: Re: Secondary DNS or BSD Server space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:28:30 -0000 --ylS2wUBXLOxYXZFQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [dropping -questions as a Cc] Gary Kline wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:23:55AM +0700, Outback Dingo wrote: >> i have space on a freebsd system in the states, i could do secondary for >> anybody, and we could create a new service, with a web based management >> facility >> its plainly a dns backup for us and a backup secondary failover web site= for >> extremely low traffic, if you guys want to picth in, we can bring someth= ing >> together >=20 > Count me in. i'll do whatever i can with my servers. I'm running an authoritative nameserver and a webserver out of a datacenter in Fremont, CA, US for personal use. I'd be interested in getting in on this too. --=20 Chris Cowart Network Technical Lead Network & Infrastructure Services, RSSP-IT UC Berkeley --ylS2wUBXLOxYXZFQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAwAGBQJJS/G3AAoJEIGh6j3cHUNPq8sP/2oLV2+oh7K50gApRFuCbLjz IwMTxHi/Q5E2Uwws9dgSEIh4GWkws2jNNVbYcAjlZ8JRY+OO38gYzcFhkPb+lsnV UkzzF70Pg6TtVBdGX0feQnPYwAetqfAHsDULuHi3cVK6JaxFvAMVkgagZMBwqRxH 1+bMbqaoAxuKKtRnht/DCvsciY37VgW/mkFvlRfC+HiSJA2BCByhZxh0qHev1FOn zz9Yv0JdDasOm2H5ma9SudevpOk0MTpm/PJNn3I4/KiLXsddMcG41HodjlUNLbuj MMgCGgQ34XyED7UH4NekIvxsxSmpNRowGbCD4YCsKexr4cwX1mVNtbegIQj4HYPs Zsf4mxX9b1BGtDAHSSjSYTIlFtwukvM2rqPJMiMhNwO2YjwtiCB+Fzgy9vggkMPJ tI10k4y7+Ze48Z9q9LjU0oW3Xs4UlxGxvNqnaMJmoMDT6V1pVxyd9UeliroCh8fY 2z15nkH0F+z/WlJxEKuLs42p0+XFrBUwfPhXRiywYKy9neU3Ut6rKlap1RaQD2Q2 nhd3PMPPzrQ0i06BqRTyDCLpemkvZiFeZIU1xeYBHbpCW93AUIZNXfj7inzx9xo+ mMCCmkxrZuCwAISyyMbTCy0jKIrlv8eQQuH1s9YuNvzsS58jitfB35sQfzaZ3k7f 99QaaUtYuf8sdF86vRpa =UNTy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ylS2wUBXLOxYXZFQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:33:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5961065674 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@phantombsd.org) Received: from mail.phantombsd.org (mail.phantombsd.org [74.94.69.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BE18FC17 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@phantombsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E51CA98164; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:15:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at spitfire.phantombsd.org Received: from mail.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T1jD8HFMTWdT; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.phantombsd.org (spitfire.phantombsd.org [192.168.1.2]) by mail.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137CAA98151; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:15:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Casey Scott To: Gary Hartl Message-ID: <1337128430.1551229714137994.JavaMail.root@spitfire.phantombsd.org> In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.6] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.11_GA_2695.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/5.0.11_GA_2695.RHEL5_64) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:33:51 -0000 ----- "Gary Hartl" wrote: > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > > > Any suggestions, Obviously downgrade to 6.0 on snow affected servers. > > > Cheers, > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:42:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB371065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bseklecki@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from collaborativefusion.com (mx01.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3363B8FC17 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:42:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bseklecki@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from Internal Mail-Server by mx01 (envelope-from bseklecki@collaborativefusion.com) with SMTP; 19 Dec 2008 14:42:24 -0500 From: "Brian A. Seklecki" To: Casey Scott In-Reply-To: <1337128430.1551229714137994.JavaMail.root@spitfire.phantombsd.org> References: <1337128430.1551229714137994.JavaMail.root@spitfire.phantombsd.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-mYNuPwOAfUwT8cYYrfPl" Organization: Collaborative Fusion, Inc. Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:42:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1229715744.4673.6.camel@soundwave.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Gary Hartl Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bseklecki@collaborativefusion.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:42:26 -0000 --=-mYNuPwOAfUwT8cYYrfPl Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 11:15 -0800, Casey Scott wrote: > Obviously downgrade to 6.0 on snow affected servers. Or rebuild all of your ports and melt the snow away. ~BAS --=20 Brian A. Seklecki Collaborative Fusion, Inc. --=-mYNuPwOAfUwT8cYYrfPl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAklL+SAACgkQCne6BNDQ+R/pGQCfcVCMP9/EvKotcjlnWTzMUZBy uokAn1Th0dOMTDvGGJ4Ng8F4PEGq7R7e =MUL1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-mYNuPwOAfUwT8cYYrfPl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:44:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A068A1065678 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724718FC1D for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C260244C1B5; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 0A91444C0CE; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:43:58 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:43:52 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Kirk Strauser , FreeBSD Questions ML Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? Thread-Index: AcliEh6nUJUyCNf80EinxjiUWydUMw== In-Reply-To: <654A1341-DB2B-4370-81BD-C910E8E14031@strauser.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:44:01 -0000 On 12/19/08 12:38 PM, "Kirk Strauser" wrote: > > I beg to differ. "smartctl -H /dev/ad8" says that it passes its self- > assessment and doesn't expect the drive to flat-out die any day soon. > I'd still like to know if the error count increased, or if it started > to detect imminent failure. there are plenty of hdd failure modes that smart can't predict. google's monitoring of over 100,000 hdds over 9 months showed more than a third of failures had no warning from smart. http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-disk-failure-experience/ so if my data matters, i need a robust hdd failure-tolerant system anyway, i.e. raid (even if it's just gmirror, which i use for non-critical servers) plus data snapshots to a remote site. now, with that in place, what do i do with a smart warning? given that smart algorithms are also prone to false positives, is there any benefit in replacing the hdd now rather than waiting for it to fail and replacing it then? not a great deal in my view. but perhaps my raid array can't tolerate more than one hdd failure. i'd be exposed to a second disk failure during the time to repair. if hdd failures are independent (which i guess might not always be true) this isn't a big concern. less of a concern than, for example, the chance of raid controller failure, which i've seen happen. one time when that happened, the controller corrupted all the disks in the array and when it was replaced rebuild was impossible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:45:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C541065676 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-114.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-114.bluehost.com [69.89.24.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 455558FC21 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 10272 invoked by uid 0); 19 Dec 2008 19:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2008 19:45:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=U+2jINdxLNi0BESdsSSIAvFbvET+fWWEOT/Hit4zVV68cYsg7bJiPOI1GCT2XwPfqSNdmS3qPTgBhi6Qq4UoZWB0g69itK3Uk2ZijYLi9z63EZ01FNMjW6MkQlYziMFK; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDlID-0005NU-Cx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:45:49 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:45:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:45:15 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081219194515.GA4945@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494ABFDF.1020408@studsvik.com> <200812191307.23297.ottk@zzz.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gKMricLos+KVdGMg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200812191307.23297.ottk@zzz.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Suitability question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:45:49 -0000 --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:07:23PM +0200, Ott K=F6stner wrote: > On Thursday 18 December 2008 11:25:51 pm Patrick Baldwin wrote: >=20 > > I'm thinking I might be best of trying to built him a really=20 > > locked-down, high security > > box, almost an Internet appliance. All he really does is use the Web,= =20 > > and a little > > light word processing. > >=20 > > What do people think of FreeBSD as the base OS for this idea? =20 >=20 > In this case, I would recommend to use PC-BSD. > http://www.pcbsd.org/ >=20 > PC-BSD is full FreeBSD 7.1, with nice grapical installer, pre-configured = for desktop use. Xorg, KDE, Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, flash, etc. = -- all will work out of the box... >=20 > After installing PC-BSD, you can think of it as a standard FreeBSD -- Upg= rade ports, build kernel, etc. I think PC-BSD is a great recommendation for someone who wants an easy introduction to FreeBSD on his/her own, but if you want to provide a locked down system for someone else and that person isn't expected to learn how to use FreeBSD (i.e., that person doesn't really know how to use MS Windows, and just clicks on the blue E for Internet access), you're better off using FreeBSD itself. PC-BSD installs a whole lot of stuff that it assumes everybody wants, whereas with FreeBSD you can pretty much install nothing but the base system then add exactly the software you want to be present. Thus, you can much more easily get the system to the point where everything you want is installed, and *only* what you want, and configure it all to precise specifications, with a minimum of effort -- using FreeBSD itself. With PC-BSD, on the other hand, you won't even know what all is installed, and will have to spend a lot of time crawling through the system figuring out what to uninstall. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Edmund Burke: "Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgement; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion." --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklL+csACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVv3ACfa7aKHAflNkHx04VWgtsV3kjR 1toAnjPUa4PPRuRYjtnVf1zFaR61WWCq =6iWH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gKMricLos+KVdGMg-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:46:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08E4106567E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:46:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7818FC23 for ; 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Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.225.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm13267887ewy.47.2008.12.19.11.46.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:46:37 +0300 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:46:37 +0300 From: Jeff Laine To: Gary Hartl Message-ID: <20081219194637.GA34178@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Gary Hartl , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:46:41 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:59:56PM -0500, Gary Hartl wrote: > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > > > Any suggestions, > > > Cheers, > > Gary > > Just mv teh snowflakes to /dev/null ^_- -- Best regards, Jeff () X-mas ribbon campaign /\ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:51:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB71E1065673 for ; 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:51:35 -0000 > failures had no warning from smart. > > http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-disk-failure-experience/ which means that in 2 cases of 3 you ARE warned. 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url=pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eitan Adler Cc: Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:53:41 -0000 Jeff Laine wrote: > Just mv teh snowflakes to /dev/null ^_- You can't mv things to /dev/null Operation not supported -- Eitan Adler GNU Key fingerprint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:54:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD561065680 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:54:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hemi@puresimplicity.net) Received: from just.puresimplicity.net (just.puresimplicity.net [68.77.126.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87E48FC2C for ; 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Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:18:57 -0600 (CST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Gary Hartl Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:54:15 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:10:51PM +0100, Roger Olofsson wrote: > > > Gary Hartl skrev: > >Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > >7-release server. > > > >IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > > >My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > > > > > >Any suggestions, > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >Gary > > > > Locate roof in ports and build roof! > > /R Build a bike shed over the server? :) Josh -- Josh Tolbert hemi@puresimplicity.net || http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/ Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 20:08:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4391065673 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eitanadlerlist@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B0C8FC1C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eitanadlerlist@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1120746yxb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:08:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :from; bh=j3Eo55pR+9+dpqF4ar+qwHaVwcjgKhzEnahjDifpZ0s=; b=h0A00PApNpt0iTSkw6UaCmo5Xw96zP+DctQMhLdO2mOuST2Ld8FV2JjF863roQRlmd ZPShmvszRwHDYFeA1HbKLLmXFuNL7yxiYMSLVY3zF7xN2J3opGeYPuFC3OqEgMABIAM2 FyKDQoH8N2bKTfYzAoKP49ZunR+sRgvjfl0ok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; b=jfgjarB9bh+4FBsH/zhtE7w4yks/MJocWeTOMCCHIkKlO5UHq91HWeGiHZ11hgmrcc vlPqlQkjqyJiwR9pnyMaETAyFz9/fGs+jOLOOzfE45VFpMd3+aT1ydSZFbfrsyJ+ctVx oqXvoQfMf7GYKTNEnm8kYD4xpBbLFXWJiiTR8= Received: by 10.90.66.10 with SMTP id o10mr2033440aga.99.1229717286415; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from aargh.lan (ool-182fcc8b.dyn.optonline.net [24.47.204.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm17298356agb.22.2008.12.19.12.08.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:08:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494BFF1F.8070303@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:07:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; ) Gecko Thunderbird Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Tolbert References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> <494BF1BB.1020508@telia.com> <20081219191856.GA9307@just.puresimplicity.net> In-Reply-To: <20081219191856.GA9307@just.puresimplicity.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=E9C2CCD1; url=pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eitan Adler Cc: raggen@raggens.net, FreeBSD Questions , Gary Hartl Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:08:07 -0000 > Build a bike shed over the server? :) make sure its green... -- Eitan Adler GNU Key fingerprint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 20:57:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AC21065675 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F518FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2465B731654; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id E308D72EB57; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:57:20 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:57:20 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? Thread-Index: AcliHGIG8i8iH/ERIkC9CI8t82VNqw== In-Reply-To: <20081219205105.F2813@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions ML Subject: Re: Clearing SMART errors I don't care about? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:57:23 -0000 On 12/19/08 2:51 PM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: > which means that in 2 cases of 3 you ARE warned. yes. but what do i do with a smart warning? the google paper indicates that even they haven't figured it out yet, although they express some hope. "Despite those strong correlations, we =DEnd that failure prediction models based on SMART parameters alone are likely to be severely limited in their prediction accuracy, given that a large fraction of our failed drives have shown no SMART error signals whatsoever. This result suggests that SMART models are more useful in predicting trends for large aggregate populations than for individual components." in managing my servers, it's the failure of individual components that count. considering also 1) false positives and 2) replacement comes with a finite chance of causing service outage, it's not clear to me that replacing a dis= k on the basis of a smart warning is prudent. i'm not proposing any firm conclusions should be drawn. i started this by saying "i'm not convinced that smart monitoring is of much value..."=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 21:18:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8CD1065678 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:18:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C338FC23 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD9836008; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:18:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:19:10 +0100 From: cpghost To: kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp Message-ID: <20081219211910.GA3506@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <200812180455.mBI4tQwW024907@toshiba.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200812180455.mBI4tQwW024907@toshiba.co.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD subject to the EAR ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:18:56 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 01:55:28PM +0900, kosuke.okisaka@toshiba.co.jp wrote: > Is Free BSD 6.3-release subject to the U.S. Export Administration > Regulation ? > > If the FreeBSD 6.3-release includes encryption software, it may be subject > to the EAR. > > Following is extract part of the EAR. > > Part 734.3 : Items subject to the EAR > > (b) The following items are not subject to the EAR: > ?$B!& > ?$B!& > (3) Publicly available technology and software, except software > controlled for > "EI" reasons under ECCN 5D002 on the Commerce Control List and > mass market encryption software with symmetric key length exceeding > 64-bits controlled under ECCN 5D992, that: I am not a lawyer, but I'd strongly advise that you check with one if you have any doubts. Maybe the FreeBSD Foundation can help providing contact to a lawyer which is familiar with FreeBSD and US export regulations? http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ > Best regards, > > K.Okisaka > Exprt Control Department, > Toshiba Medical Systems Corporation Kind regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 21:27:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1489106570B for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880618FC23 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd5ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.164]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2008 14:26:59 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=oe-nF0sfjvnw1xOR8fAA:9 a=RSvQDAtYjufAvvcMArwA:7 a=HBWzdnxdvmW9pp93DD3WP8OqG3UA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd5ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2008 14:26:59 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA8C1701E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:26:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:26:55 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081219132655.0dd84ebf@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:27:00 -0000 On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:59:56 -0500 "Gary Hartl" wrote: > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > > > Any suggestions, > > > Cheers, > > Gary > i'm surprised that people actually still live in southern ontario. despite all the imaginative suggestions, this is obviously an issue that should be submitted through the form here: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html you will note that beastie is using something like a shovel in the pic, so you can use this fact to strengthen your case. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 21:30:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8651065676 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF178FC12 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:30:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LDmvC-0001kQ-EX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:30:10 +0000 Received: from 77.22.112.43 ([77.22.112.43]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:30:10 +0000 Received: from ino-news by 77.22.112.43 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:30:10 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: clemens fischer Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:29:15 +0100 Lines: 62 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 77.22.112.43 X-Archive: encrypt=none User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: news Subject: usb-stick accessible, but doesn't boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:30:21 -0000 Hi, My USB-stick (trekstore, identifies as "USB DISK SMI Corporation") is sliced using sade(8), labelled using bsdlabel, accessible using "mount /dev/da0s1a /mnt/usb", it has kernel and world, but doesn't boot. The kernel has the following USB modules: # USB core support device usb2_core # # USB controller support device usb2_controller device usb2_controller_ehci device usb2_controller_ohci device usb2_controller_uhci # # USB mass storage support device usb2_storage device usb2_storage_mass # # USB input device support device usb2_input device usb2_input_hid device usb2_input_kbd device usb2_input_ms but it also has: # some SCSI/USB support needed for system-on-schtick # nodevice uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface nodevice ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface nodevice ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) nodevice usb # USB Bus (required) # # some SCSI/USB support needed for system-on-schtick nodevice udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices nodevice ugen # Generic nodevice umass # usb-disks, readers nodevice uhid # "Human Interface Devices" nodevice ukbd # Keyboard nodevice ulpt # Printer nodevice ums # Mouse nodevice ural # Ralink Technology RT2500USB wireless NICs nodevice rum # Ralink Technology RT2501USB wireless NICs nodevice zyd # ZyDAS zb1211/zb1211b wireless NICs nodevice urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player nodevice uscanner # Scanners When booting, the bootcode wants me to manually type in the root device to mount from and suggests the default in etc/fstab, but when I type "ufs:/dev/da0s1a", it won't sing. When I type "?", the USB-stick is _not_ among the devices "managed by GEOM". Re. GEOM, I only have: nooptions GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization in the kernel config. I want it to boot, what should I do? -c From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 21:42:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D475106564A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@sequestered.net) Received: from alcatraz.sequestered.net (alcatraz.sequestered.net [24.199.11.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5748FC08 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@sequestered.net) Received: from Singularity.local (174-154-124-18.pools.spcsdns.net [174.154.124.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jay@sequestered.net) by alcatraz.sequestered.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8887680C4 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:41:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494C1516.2000408@sequestered.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:41:42 -0800 From: Corey Chandler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SEQUESTERED-NET-MailScanner-Watermark: 1230327707.76317@08iSb1RLIqc7EDLXci2W9A X-SEQUESTERED-NET-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Sequestered.net support for more information X-MailScanner-ID: C8887680C4.BEBEB X-SEQUESTERED-NET-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SEQUESTERED-NET-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-SEQUESTERED-NET-MailScanner-From: lists@sequestered.net X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:19 -0000 Gary Hartl wrote: > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > > > Any suggestions, > > > Cheers, > > Gary Hi, Gary! Have you tried 'pkill xsnow'? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 21:42:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA2910656E9 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412F78FC14 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-196-68-238.dynamic.qsc.de [92.196.68.238]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66D716C00A3; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:42:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mBJLgIjD039709; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:42:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:42:17 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Gary Hartl" Message-Id: <20081219224217.f28b2cdc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:27 -0000 On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:59:56 -0500, "Gary Hartl" wrote: > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. Didn't you install the NOSNOW.SYS driver properly? :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 21:47:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004061065674 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tabthorpe@freebsd.org) Received: from tbaytel.net (front2-sioux.tbaytel.net [216.211.26.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04A08FC1B for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tabthorpe@freebsd.org) X-Scanned-by-Cloudmark: Yes X-Spam-Score: 0.000000 Received: from goodking.goodking.ca (account thomasa@tbaytel.net [216.211.120.58] verified) by front2.tbaytel.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.14) with ESMTPSA id 132226639; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:32:34 -0500 From: Thomas Abthorpe Organization: FreeBSD.GoodKing.Ca To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:32:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> X-Face: /|[9,PbEOB6g>?2^*Sc|"~6:Ro"O>Nv\Rfkv\42g)=?utf-8?q?TuAYG=26+bD=5CpCJTX31s=5Fp=7Bc7=5D5a=2ED=2E=0A=09Y?=@QddKu_I[XB8; euK=^[=L1I#]rgi[0jgz^4qCTwlj]3kJ)]vc}O"HrA14hN)=?utf-8?q?aXewJPTi=7C=0A=09Pt=7BS3=23Vw4x-?="/:& Cc: Gary Hartl Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:47:37 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On December 19, 2008 01:59:56 pm Gary Hartl wrote: > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > > > Any suggestions, I am fron Northwestern Ontario, and we received approximately 50 cm of snow, my best advice would be to store your servers away from all elements of nature, preferably in a climate controlled room :) - -- Thomas Abthorpe | FreeBSD Committer tabthorpe@FreeBSD.org | http://people.freebsd.org/~tabthorpe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklMEvAACgkQ5Gm/jNBp8qBk5gCeMtBkkVO3UdLdHT8bitdCrhDI P9MAn3tCWddDXdTz3vNSLvjkhf/qA2fp =oDjD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 22:00:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3C51065686 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx22.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3525D8FC1E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 15850 invoked by uid 399); 19 Dec 2008 21:33:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTPAM; 19 Dec 2008 21:33:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Sender: dougb@dougbarton.us Message-ID: <494C1340.3010802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:33:52 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081128) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Dugas References: <49481863.8060606@dugas-family.org> In-Reply-To: <49481863.8060606@dugas-family.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bg271828@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Copying system/ports configuration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:00:34 -0000 Bernard Dugas wrote: > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:26:05 -0800 (PST), "Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum" > wrote: >> I dont quickly see a free tool to do this. Maybe its easier >> to do this from scratch.... > > I just found last week ports-mngnt/portmaster that can help you to do > that, and i have suggested portmaster author to add an -export option > readable to built new ports on another computer. > > May be an -export-packages option would be nice also ? The process described in the portmaster man page is not quite as simple as you seem to be asking for, but it is designed to be thorough, and to work with a wide variety of configurations. It has also been tested extensively. hope this helps, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 22:01:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB314106567A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:01:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.piggybox@virgin.net) Received: from smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com (smtprelay-virgin0185.hostedemail.com [64.99.136.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957568FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:01:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.piggybox@virgin.net) Received: from smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtpgrave06.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1791217A991C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay06.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9ACF217B49F0 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:43 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 23d59c3091538ff6, bac5299263adec61, peter.piggybox@virgin.net, questions@freebsd.org, RULES_HIT:355:371:372:379:617:945:960:966:973:988:989:1260:1261:1277:1312:1313:1314:1345:1437:1516:1518:1519:1534:1542:1593:1594:1595:1596:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2196:2198:2199:2200:2393:2553:2559:2562:2743:2901:3355:3636:3637:3740:3865:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3874:3876:3877:4250:4321:4385:5007:6114:6119:6238:6261:7208:7903:8501:8603:9391, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from laptop.piggybox (client-86-27-91-172.winn.adsl.virgin.net [86.27.91.172]) by omf09.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop.piggybox (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by laptop.piggybox (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBJLgmPs003310 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:48 GMT (envelope-from peter@laptop.piggybox) Received: (from peter@localhost) by laptop.piggybox (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBJLgm0M003309 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:48 GMT (envelope-from peter) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:48 +0000 From: Peter Harrison To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081219214248.GA2776@laptop.piggybox> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: USB hard drive problem... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:01:20 -0000 I need some help with a USB connected hard drive. It's the old drive from my 6.3-RELEASE desktop (now de-commissioned), placed into a IDE-USB enclosure. It has 4 slices - a FAT32 one, a UFS2 1, a Linux (ext3 I think - was Ubuntu) and a Linux swap. 7.1 can see all the partitions: ******* Working on device /dev/da0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=4863 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=4863 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 12 (0x0c),(DOS or Windows 95 with 32 bit FAT (LBA)) start 63, size 39070017 (19077 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 256/ head 0/ sector 0; end: cyl 1023/ head 15/ sector 63 The data for partition 2 is: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 39070080, size 20964825 (10236 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 1023/ head 255/ sector 63; end: cyl 1023/ head 6/ sector 63 The data for partition 3 is: sysid 131 (0x83),(Linux native) start 60034905, size 17575110 (8581 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63; end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 The data for partition 4 is: sysid 130 (0x82),(Linux swap or Solaris x86) start 77610015, size 546210 (266 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63; end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 and it appears in dmesg: Dec 19 21:29:04 laptop kernel: umass0: on uhub4 Dec 19 21:29:04 laptop root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x14cd product 0x6600 bus uhub4 Dec 19 21:29:04 laptop kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 Dec 19 21:29:04 laptop kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-0 device Dec 19 21:29:04 laptop kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers Dec 19 21:29:04 laptop kernel: da0: 38146MB (78125000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 4863C) I can successfully mount the FAT32 slices and the UFS2 partitions, but once mounted I can't see any files. My son's Win XP desktop can see the FAT32 slice and all the files on it - but not the UFS2 or Linux slices. The drive inside the enclosure is set to cable-select. The manual recommends master, but if I set it to that neither FreeBSD nor Win XP see anything (ie. nothing in dmesg). Any suggestions as to what I can do to get FreeBSD to 'see' my files? TIA. Peter Harrison. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 22:32:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115791065670 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (12-32-44-142.static.blackfoot.net [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4748FC13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from [12.32.36.74] (freshstart.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.74]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mBJMW1IC097494; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <494C20FA.8020809@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:32:26 -0700 From: freebsd@dreamchaser.org User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Hartl References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:32:02 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:32:04 -0000 > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. You probably can't use a standard 7-release. You have to build a custom kernel with "LATITUDE" set. It causes igloo to get built and installed for environments above 46, should work in both hemispheres. We don't use igloo but do turn on the snow-fence option for ipfw. Keeps most of that kind of unwanted traffic out. BTW, make sure any remote reboots / changes are well tested if you're running igloo. Sometimes the whole thing gets buried and it's days before you can get physical access to do any updates / maintenance. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 00:42:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF8710656D6 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:42:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alan@batie.org) Received: from vmail.rdrop.com (vmail.rdrop.com [199.26.172.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A7E8FC1C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:42:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alan@batie.org) Received: from valde.intranet.peak.org (cvo-sr1-off.peak.org [69.59.192.10]) (Authenticated sender: alan) by vmail.rdrop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E851967FF5 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:23:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494C3ADE.9080401@batie.org> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:22:54 -0800 From: Alan Batie User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020303040506020301060008" Subject: Why no dvd isos? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:42:24 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020303040506020301060008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why is freebsd still only available on cdrom images? Particularly with the way the packages make wear your arm out swapping them back and forth, it would be really nice to have the entire distribution in one image. --------------ms020303040506020301060008 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJHTCC AukwggJSoAMCAQICED/rh41aaKkVWLyYgqJjF10wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MTExNjA5MzIyNFoX DTA5MTExNjA5MzIyNFowUzEOMAwGA1UEBBMFQmF0aWUxDTALBgNVBCoTBEFsYW4xEzARBgNV BAMTCkFsYW4gQmF0aWUxHTAbBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWDmFsYW5AYmF0aWUub3JnMIIBIjANBgkq hkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAxg8QmBT7FiXTcPR8sbUVOCVadDME9pXBuUJcyha1 XXKDVVoWmB0gyo2wecVZKiZRlCeGTFcpyLiiu4xmNIMxQZ93CGR1n5B0Z/dtv9hPNHdtZ7zX 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--------------ms020303040506020301060008-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 01:09:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F9F1065676 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237D78FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LDqLk-0003ZS-J5; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:09:48 +0000 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id mBK19kgo008822; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:09:47 GMT Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6F8FDFCB841; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:09:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:09:41 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: ThinkDifferently Message-ID: <20081220010941.GA77575@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: ThinkDifferently , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <21077043.post@talk.nabble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21077043.post@talk.nabble.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p2 i386 X-Organisation: 'http://www.shute.org.uk/' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.1.7 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:09:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vetting motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H for FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:09:54 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 09:15:33AM -0800, ThinkDifferently wrote: > > > I'm currently looking for an ATX motherboard that supports the AM2+ socket, > Phenom Quad-Core processor, 4 DDR2 RAM slots (800 MHz is fine), 6 SATA ports > with RAID, and Gigabit LAN. Onboard VGA would be nice. > > It needs to work well with FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE, using a 2-disk SATA RAID1. > > I'm currently looking at the Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H. > > Has anyone successfully operated 7.0 on this board? > Any booting issues? Did you need to modify the ISO to get it to boot (if so > how)? > Did RAID work? Did it require a special driver to be loaded (if so how)? > > Do any other motherboards fit the bill, given the specifications I give > above? > > I recently got a black eye &-( with the MSI K9N2G Neo-FD, using the GeForce > 8200 (MCP78) chipset. FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE and CentOS 5.2 wouldn't even boot > on it, no matter what the BIOS config was. Also, Vista wouldn't even > recognize the SATA disks, even if the SATA ports were in IDE, RAID or AHCI > modes (it requires a driver, even if you aren't doing RAID). > -- I haven't used that MB but I am using a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L (core2) so I'll offer some general advice since no one else seems to want to! ;) I've had good luck with anything by Asus and Gigabyte. I tend to avoid boards with bleeding edge hardware/features as these will not have received so much testing (and may not even be supported) on FreeBSD. This in practice means get a board that's been on sale for a bit. None of my machines are configured for RAID but as a general point, most on this list use software RAID in the form of geom/geli/gmirror etc. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom.html The consensus seems to be that it's just as good as hardware raid performance-wise. There was a thread on this list about it a few months ago. I'd use FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 if I was building a FreeBSD machine today for production purposes as it will be more uptodate with respect drivers for newer hardware and most bugs will have been shaken out this close to release. My compatibilty check for hardware usually consists of going to Google and punching in FreeBSD and the name of the hardware. This usually brings up hits which indicate the level of support. HTH. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 01:31:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78744106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reaper@reaper.yaroslavl.ru) Received: from big.innet.yaroslavl.su (big.innet.yaroslavl.su [217.15.134.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC26B8FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reaper@reaper.yaroslavl.ru) Received: from relay.innet.yaroslavl.su (relay.innet.yaroslavl.su [217.15.134.70]) by big.innet.yaroslavl.su (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mBJJbXP3084508 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:37:33 +0300 (MSK) Received: from reaper.yaroslavl.ru (reaper.yaroslavl.ru [85.113.195.205]) by relay.innet.yaroslavl.su (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBJJbXKY088050 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:37:33 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from reaper@reaper.yaroslavl.ru) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (comp-reaper [10.19.1.3]) by reaper.yaroslavl.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288F81CC3A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:37:33 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <494BF7FB.1030308@reaper.yaroslavl.ru> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:37:31 +0300 From: Michael Lednev User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:31:14 -0000 Gary Hartl пишет: > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > Please, send some snow to Russia as we have none :( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 02:29:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4773106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701CA8FC13 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B3C5C22; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:34:20 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <494C5898.9040209@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:29:44 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Lednev References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> <494BF7FB.1030308@reaper.yaroslavl.ru> In-Reply-To: <494BF7FB.1030308@reaper.yaroslavl.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:29:45 -0000 Michael Lednev wrote: > Gary Hartl пишет: >> Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd >> 7-release server. >> >> IT seems to be causeing some http outages. >> >> My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. >> > > Please, send some snow to Russia as we have none :( > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Aloha, I used to live in Southern Ontario. I saw the folly of my ways about 25 years ago and 3 FreeBSD servers live in Hawaii along with me. Happy Holidays... ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 02:38:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F495106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CDF8FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:38:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from Mobile2.sentex.ca (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id mBK2M3pW031290; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:22:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) From: mike@sentex.net To: Alan Batie Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:22:19 -0500 Message-ID: References: <494C3ADE.9080401@batie.org> In-Reply-To: <494C3ADE.9080401@batie.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 64.7.153.18 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no dvd isos? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:38:15 -0000 On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:22:54 -0800, in sentex.lists.freebsd.questions you wrote: >Why is freebsd still only available on cdrom images? =20 There are DVD versions available eg ftp://ftp.freebsd.org//pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.1/7.1-RC1-i= 386-dvd1.iso.gz ---Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 05:32:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD64B1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B498FC1B for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1176296yxb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:32:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=CTMJllVVRW04dE38wSY592sp+9M46lBq2nhLZ4WQuxs=; b=l3oV3MVp1igLrgo08MIfmQxIe2Y722SjK+9sySPmbnpql+5fYCqZbiRbjblXYtAShr s039azjfqVKv/HjHAN+Pfl3pepo+bL9wM1bZXjwnHH2e7ttQ2MKqAtAkbVI1qMS9B62q 8KaHwRgCydAA1p5HxxY/YBP4w8I3DjAOcaVgE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=myIs8Yy98QOmrVJ89wRP1oUAQf+Dfaku2yLvym5zR6ZeWCqJ/DZoDxlnJgv9Yo8LJu rCL8lt3F4ELbycRggVPF808pa59QLo06emqIUBK5dPwcS9En27KfWpasOKxFzIQD6fnE y3IdgDXl3nBLdXyBUunEHMa6kNFLlTt7m5yUI= Received: by 10.64.241.15 with SMTP id o15mr2866399qbh.18.1229751171368; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.208.13 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:32:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:32:51 -0800 From: "Richard Yang" To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: nessus report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:32:52 -0000 hi, when i ran nessus against my bsd box, nessus can detect "the remote host is up". i don't understand how nessus can detect it... does anyone know how it is done? thanx rich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 05:38:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E887B106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9909A8FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1175767ywe.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:38:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IjG0lpuG9ujqv6I8T2H8xpGWdFjsWZ81nm4WztdjySE=; b=uHfHg1VEIn7EbSSZu5snM2dAT11ZqtOPl+LdnS/ez2+0rw1AN1Lc7YKLCU0y1lqCC+ gD7/c6zDaGI3rgcruHjIVO3C5q/cxDVaZkiAoiYb8XN2bdoptn67HOAWv/8QunHmBo+5 bdj3dTS1W/83Qdinlw6lNxQBALll4Ciz+FegE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M22KZMZQDs3AcqcLQRl3yZZ3alIwPQMyn37AVxpcJMa6Ysz1ze3bofNaCgXqkWGdEc lJqLRd7LrSEAxYi67K/PIiwErdgkCM9QO/4LBIwQP2xHWZBOxnN0lSC4cMFo3rROz3Fv ckEN843QaSJeEZGuUcjCyCRWHVIdDB14cgdnk= Received: by 10.150.137.8 with SMTP id k8mr7044333ybd.68.1229751514908; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm2163326ywf.23.2008.12.19.21.38.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:38:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494C84D8.1090701@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:38:32 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Yang References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nessus report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:38:36 -0000 Richard Yang wrote: > hi, > when i ran nessus against my bsd box, nessus can detect "the remote host is > up". > i don't understand how nessus can detect it... > does anyone know how it is done? > thanx > > rich > uh, maybe because it responded? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 05:41:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA791065676 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:41:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB0D8FC17 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:41:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1176035ywe.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:41:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4B/MeEQXvkYghXrCH/+Ebi6mcnTskDBpiXdS8jHnlH4=; b=UY8Glb/9DLl3hnhgiIEHSij3wcx5zZGTp8YjpgHE0cokq8QaHMMNYEhZoDUiTKFDsK ux9Xmode2EdhNaPrsgA0ALeLsTFtCPCxZYYeNte4RYstetU/1jAvhckg5JJ3PJSEkDh0 ZRKHi9Wbv3RfMeA2CM0XjqD8kb9JGc47aeWBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=BiBoEvLHYLGgLnmKkhi3j8W24yLAuAZCcMsMGjtXru5SJwH3U/bVbBzjsnCLI0lSk9 wB64pgsyRnwoKbefnP0obOg+dk+EwQpFoxH4aDYJ57ch8DCHTobAxosTKZC/tee3/uaz +iKsPwS+d2n7Wy/ebrUlc9Be0wC+j30DYH9Rg= Received: by 10.64.209.6 with SMTP id h6mr3068227qbg.10.1229751706341; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.208.13 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:41:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:41:46 -0800 From: "Richard Yang" To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <494C84D8.1090701@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <494C84D8.1090701@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: nessus report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:41:47 -0000 yes,but i dpn't know how... it looks to me that all ports are closed On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:38 PM, michael wrote: > > > Richard Yang wrote: > >> hi, >> when i ran nessus against my bsd box, nessus can detect "the remote host >> is >> up". >> i don't understand how nessus can detect it... >> does anyone know how it is done? >> thanx >> >> rich >> >> > uh, maybe because it responded? > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > -- Best Regards Richard Yang richardyang@richardyang.net kusanagiyang@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 05:42:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26D0106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:42:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D14A8FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:42:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so1651043ewy.19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=IXZx4BD9BvVQgxz5C2ZyQXmcmApPwV0HVC6VSTKQdXE=; b=aRKFLKPk8Z3m7jpANeXDCPdNpsHuOB6YbSpkk51VGVh3BTAPK6cjASkFzV+duARsNR I0DM7mwOuyIcctvhD3GYEFxhc5wii2h4ndhA06XFsZPFRghQSrYUBLdXv6vmX2lae8C+ tB9eYojV8dAw3CJ3XhzK6R8LtVzn4Ch3LSeik= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=sHHrrFqxdyUWcm1nzVxDU99CxBUBIesNVikuzJiZt8KFQkICHS0kCnxaWYzPKDNvGd 3bpFAhcRh+ZCLpmK11LOBzRZNK0JqA7a2spKhUJkpKUulhvJsxEJ7/Fmtz5+Pak5Y5QF YjWbUx9xU9Z5raGq+gO2N+/7dwuHdWldmDcWY= Received: by 10.210.109.10 with SMTP id h10mr4669999ebc.178.1229751760082; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.225.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm11305073ewy.85.2008.12.19.21.42.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:42:38 +0300 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:42:38 +0300 From: Jeff Laine To: Richard Yang Message-ID: <20081220054238.GA78194@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Richard Yang , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nessus report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:42:41 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:32:51PM -0800, Richard Yang wrote: > hi, > when i ran nessus against my bsd box, nessus can detect "the remote host is > up". > i don't understand how nessus can detect it... > does anyone know how it is done? > thanx > > rich I can't tell about nessus but nmap does so after discovering any open ports, TCP RST responses from closed ports or ICMP responses from your host. I believe it's similar with the nessuss. -- Best regards, Jeff () X-mas ribbon campaign /\ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 05:43:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014E11065679 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f19.google.com (mail-gx0-f19.google.com [209.85.217.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2038FC27 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so593298gxk.19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:43:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=XmH+w9VUGs5Dop3XsqPltSXq7qchgqKBccgT8praM6U=; b=hnkg0MD6IE/nNshBsouZmZ2e5MAh53xL3uxVK90qJUllavCAaCads7KFi6+vFxzK1L QLYMyzQFRy7DRbyZsYhAtLVQKruk4NX0AaQDKrt8ukvtAGGaRmZwBJVpiWZeop5tOmr3 WGD51tRiZ0sXcJJ543o1K26AjAyHcFHzJnFdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=mWzC1OubI1JTjYEnb2yQwUPOKKCZYk9pw1Wv7p+XPl6gl3HJhZDitUs8EZZaAhY4FL kUI+peS8/m7ko4Up69zpd/uvoOfD1XaB9iXbh/RsfvsZRFJZtqM6BcWe0/4o1I5tCrV1 vjYW9x3DgzEeCdM51S3vZ2KnM07+VAOA+bfC4= Received: by 10.65.240.13 with SMTP id s13mr3053953qbr.29.1229750464100; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.208.13 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:21:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:21:04 -0800 From: "Richard Yang" To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: general question about setting up gateway X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:43:42 -0000 hi, i am trying to use freebsd as my home network gateway to the internet. any good reference i should know besides what's in the handbook? thanks rich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 05:49:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C958A1065679 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:49:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A5B8FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:49:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so1652789ewy.19 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:49:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=VJa2lwV/FHsVWewv6EeJiKEXo5os972VGGLH+r+D8qI=; b=j+iHDS3q897nnRppO2Ft02uc4NzhqNhJsW4s/866AFHsk+PfF0QNFj8b6s1m49DM+k gwj8rrncEI4WK3xI5pBKrQjblDsYnYCdVCSuV0KIZ2xtfEYfeijuNSMNfY22QvS6Fxvu emRV6cZKimI28bXcJOU5RA2PmfGwzcwa49YwI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=esB0Cio2aU1RNyMHHhiiAbYhJ2arKeXvz4iorRKfbwq7hbG91v2aE6gsqKCRC6QVeb tU5HteoAoG23CxPsH9Mw/nbULdVh1vlFK+eJrN4jumuUChHPtaRjSICt8Ih1Jkgz8io3 BL1PJYgxaAKbuJs6Qrv/+/BvV5N5wb1PO1k7M= Received: by 10.210.88.7 with SMTP id l7mr4575684ebb.114.1229752197081; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.225.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm26436717ewy.65.2008.12.19.21.49.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:49:55 +0300 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:49:55 +0300 From: Jeff Laine To: Richard Yang Message-ID: <20081220054955.GA15341@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Richard Yang , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494C84D8.1090701@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nessus report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:49:58 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:41:46PM -0800, Richard Yang wrote: > yes,but i dpn't know how... > it looks to me that all ports are closed > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:38 PM, michael wrote: > > > > > > > Richard Yang wrote: > > > >> hi, > >> when i ran nessus against my bsd box, nessus can detect "the remote host > >> is > >> up". > >> i don't understand how nessus can detect it... > >> does anyone know how it is done? > >> thanx > >> > >> rich > >> > >> > > uh, maybe because it responded? > > Check your firewall settings and run tcpdump to be sure your host not sending any replies after scan attempt. -- Best regards, Jeff () X-mas ribbon campaign /\ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 06:21:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F511065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:21:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CA58FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:21:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1178725ywe.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:21:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QiHptCv2/UumjrYzlPg9l73myFRibUhnJ9W+VpJxgn8=; b=ELiR78EqLDB9T68JRpUQRy6F3z/1EMMEYtpeBNpNLba3A2PI/CiVpPP9Ch3SScJH3b bu1/FLBzyl3KBL3ZVuI5iAmcqrFijK7ZX8tW+u+XFLEICjP+7tlANSqqg78OQ72POdLG 3WSzimHKvwOIz3vlsZeOuME/lISpO+poErSZE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=EV2HtKi8pcoW/V/lGRro3Ud8wrt3dO5YF0XfgLjQIIXSgaaYPzcAuX7/0TOm3w9DZa /+bkjH4+7FZmkd3QxMSh0GpFJSTy+dbnlQC/Jjsuf3zmOmXjnG4Dp5I8j+WcHi1ZCwmP Fh6eGi8pDTxvAE96lGKBl23GTgvmCwokz172o= Received: by 10.65.241.20 with SMTP id t20mr3083272qbr.0.1229752775423; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.208.13 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:59:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:59:35 -0800 From: "Richard Yang" To: "Jeff Laine" , "Richard Yang" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081220054955.GA15341@free.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <494C84D8.1090701@gmail.com> <20081220054955.GA15341@free.bsd.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: nessus report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:21:25 -0000 i just used tcpdump.it doesn't capture anything package On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Jeff Laine wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:41:46PM -0800, Richard Yang wrote: > > yes,but i dpn't know how... > > it looks to me that all ports are closed > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:38 PM, michael > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Yang wrote: > > > > > >> hi, > > >> when i ran nessus against my bsd box, nessus can detect "the remote > host > > >> is > > >> up". > > >> i don't understand how nessus can detect it... > > >> does anyone know how it is done? > > >> thanx > > >> > > >> rich > > >> > > >> > > > uh, maybe because it responded? > > > > > Check your firewall settings and run tcpdump to be sure your host not > sending > any replies after scan attempt. > > -- > Best regards, > Jeff > > () X-mas ribbon campaign > /\ > > -- Best Regards Richard Yang richardyang@richardyang.net kusanagiyang@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 06:24:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3AD1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897CF8FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1179583yxb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:24:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=tERBAmNBpa+qFlVuyKjnx9xaL4/HrCa4ma0Kb8yOKCo=; b=ujajmAAA5iPLFE1C8T/BoMitetyok+xphBDTW59LiHmRoZ9jxaJc1+pmDiXkxsmdeZ fZlGiPNgx/hArxGp1xOEyiYSQjxbGLyYkTexmbHNM9+XUJg6pmOjvFsdvKTbYJnC0xMd w+F+vlNJygjRpt8x2Xvt4ja26Qcb0wQ0S0XHc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Qk0+WfCWIN+hWtkp1eo0W7hf0qJiC3XyaGIZrIRc0MbEI0j8j+7y3nxvf0Vt1dbbBs JQLG6iRn8NOyQ+HRhLIxosI7F8Hu8i5AyvA2KnAePxGfTCgpcLcgZTbGy9cLI4AhKBA2 wXNq5bWZjT22YZ+mYLg6uKGZfTjOZdnPh+zQU= Received: by 10.65.163.8 with SMTP id q8mr3065151qbo.55.1229752629484; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.208.13 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:57:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:57:09 -0800 From: "Richard Yang" To: "Jeff Laine" , "Richard Yang" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081220054238.GA78194@free.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081220054238.GA78194@free.bsd.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: nessus report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:24:34 -0000 i havent tried nmap yet, but you said it also detected the remote, though no port is open? On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Jeff Laine wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:32:51PM -0800, Richard Yang wrote: > > hi, > > when i ran nessus against my bsd box, nessus can detect "the remote host > is > > up". > > i don't understand how nessus can detect it... > > does anyone know how it is done? > > thanx > > > > rich > > I can't tell about nessus but nmap does so after discovering any open > ports, > TCP RST responses from closed ports or ICMP responses from your host. > I believe it's similar with the nessuss. > > > -- > Best regards, > Jeff > > () X-mas ribbon campaign > /\ > > -- Best Regards Richard Yang richardyang@richardyang.net kusanagiyang@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 06:43:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B294B106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:43:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alan@batie.org) Received: from vmail.rdrop.com (vmail.rdrop.com [199.26.172.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625348FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:43:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alan@batie.org) Received: from quadzilla.batie.org (alan.batie.org [69.59.200.15]) (Authenticated sender: alan) by vmail.rdrop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7436267FF2 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:43:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494C93F7.4080903@batie.org> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:43:03 -0800 From: Alan Batie User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494C3ADE.9080401@batie.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090302080407070100020300" Subject: Re: Why no dvd isos? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:43:05 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090302080407070100020300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mike@sentex.net wrote: > There are DVD versions available > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org//pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.1/7.1-RC1-i386-dvd1.iso.gz That's the only version that seems to, but thanks! 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Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from chen.org.nz (ip-58-28-152-174.static-xdsl.xnet.co.nz [58.28.152.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB5D8FC1D for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by chen.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B9A2C28475; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:32:23 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:32:23 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: Richard Yang Message-ID: <20081220063223.GA26040@osiris.chen.org.nz> References: <20081220054238.GA78194@free.bsd.loc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nessus report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:52:17 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:57:09PM -0800, Richard Yang wrote: > i havent tried nmap yet, but you said it also detected the remote, though no > port is open? ICMP doesn't require any open ports. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Opportunities are seldom labeled From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 07:00:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DFB106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6E48FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kusanagiyang@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1181605yxb.13 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:00:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=GH7SMjvTM1mFjYG66DlQX6Eqo2OxrwHCFB/16/iv5Gc=; b=S9G+9UK1ZzwdePyMxhTZYc5m87sbWk2HgmRJiUDm4qEBv9yyf/OoLsDO23H6xCWJCD gPLhv1UvgieIBY9GHNQoM+93LvDoGtEQVhNA72W3W8hTj8PU2d37+5UFwQv6+TwyUb2S qLxTBQq6ZCjMvBkFEklmfqf5BE1mLABhrBkyM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Zw0hbYZgwyzFG4/BJcnrj41LHocqV+RdlR30egGJJU8h11RFMiIFfrvOKmKSH24PHB Jp20+TcDKPfv3tgsA3S/4Dh5Uc0FAFrI8Y+ggPusmOAbobKsoT9H577m+MhxcxlNM/Cy EOb414joZSa3vU1pyXXbJ6aG3TLvS/rxm2Crw= Received: by 10.64.10.2 with SMTP id 2mr3095812qbj.76.1229756454291; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.208.13 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:00:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:00:54 -0800 From: "Richard Yang" To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: nessus report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:00:55 -0000 i ran a tcpdump.bsd box is responding to arp. i guess this is fundamental, and should not be disabled thanx guys rich On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Richard Yang wrote: > hi, > when i ran nessus against my bsd box, nessus can detect "the remote host is > up". > i don't understand how nessus can detect it... > does anyone know how it is done? > thanx > > rich > -- Best Regards Richard Yang richardyang@richardyang.net kusanagiyang@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 07:25:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A26106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628348FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.172.245]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:07:40 -0800 Message-ID: <494C99D2.9060307@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:08:02 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Yang References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2008 07:07:41.0113 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5E95A90:01C96271] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: general question about setting up gateway X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:25:04 -0000 Richard Yang wrote: > hi, > i am trying to use freebsd as my home network gateway to the internet. > any good reference i should know besides what's in the handbook? > thanks > > rich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > The Freebsd Install guide www.a1poweruser.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 08:16:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02AD1065676 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFED8FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.172.245]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:16:17 -0800 Message-ID: <494CA9E6.6050501@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:16:38 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2008 08:16:17.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B6EDAF0:01C9627B] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Subject: recover data from damaged msdos fat32 partition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:16:40 -0000 I know i can mount fat32 partition using mount_msdos command. But my msdos fat32 partition is a bad disk with corrupted fat table. Question is can i use freebsd to recover data from this msdos fAT32 disk???? What tools do you suggest to use? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 08:17:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEFE1065689 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:17:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anthony.rasat@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5895D8FC1C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:17:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anthony.rasat@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so746406anc.13 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:16:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id :return-receipt-to:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=uY0uboXifOV9VxXkX2/3xPIm1cCEWpz0QrYhz4GlC8k=; b=Ed5zzb87RtrxLFEB61AU71n3sbu8yF0huLZJPVVPNrW9zefjMu1DhmUKGiZ0ML2948 566p3/VkXB9EZKOjX0KBMO9lAawc/HvDUZxkzGPznilotD042g9sAxzDUP+P0i0tPkTa UJBoMzUm/T8ClBbQp8sSxPXNzPAala0atg6ps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:return-receipt-to:message-id:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type :mime-version; b=sgTfRpuj4ulc0zRZEnIbhGcBTl2ogEgwZhrUdiCJaiQPKOKfdhLl/OqAJz7IkpjtxA PQU78J1uOO507S8P0WDmYBH5fnlMwqVDU8157rtfbSFLqE5mNNvsIYBRTu02Qt3Nv53W kkzAJucYK1jIGm6H5QBiLLVz83wkESfZnLpVw= Received: by 10.64.185.18 with SMTP id i18mr3138654qbf.81.1229761019434; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bda011.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry (bda011.bis.ap.blackberry.com [216.9.247.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s31sm9091121qbs.24.2008.12.20.00.16.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:16:58 -0800 (PST) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1956757856 Message-ID: <1956757856-1229761015-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1716488086-@bxe1001.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Anthony M. Rasat" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:16:53 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: anthony.rasat@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:17:00 -0000 Gary Hartl wrote: >Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow >on my freebsd 7-release server. Are you kidding? >IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > >My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > > >Any suggestions, Move it here? -- Regards, Anthony M. Rasat Manager - Technical, Network and Support Division PT. Jawa Pos National Network Graha Pena Jawa Pos Group Building, 5th floor Jln. Raya Kebayoran Lama 12, Jakarta Selatan 12210 Indonesia.- Phone 02132185562 Phone 081574217035 Fax 02153651465 Web http://www.jpnn.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 08:29:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE211065674 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:29:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C30A8FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:29:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so1690687ewy.19 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:29:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=+CswccKlmNyiBvP1Dwp6X2dFllwGY0h64PUsG5F54aY=; b=RcBuzTHBIgn1UZhsZsSCk1Pw9LtEh1KtjaEdQeSMII/I9IDVlJd0crMB0S5sVoaaAH k4r4gJB9OecHGPRa9/oCIbTr7zZKJB78E/DRYjgn7s1vW8sKyBcFA9D0LfC7wZyOojx2 NASTxwtcsFfRG8wty1hLRa8KOLQJ4R9f2REIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=PhffGD1R1SeSER979NkE2FzW63rJ59ekhh2r8ojiip6bGPtQshF+bY8XSAXNYFRz5Z H8E/2sEQjuf43i9Mp/GoJvzTqJ0IJeEchXXiAcjz/MTAeKuc7j86kvPflyrNIFdwU6vN NxrebJTKxCxNBjFxxpqK8ynUvHglE1v9ka2qk= Received: by 10.210.61.19 with SMTP id j19mr4812013eba.145.1229761782343; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.225.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm16236693ewy.45.2008.12.20.00.29.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:29:40 +0300 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:29:40 +0300 From: Jeff Laine To: Fbsd1 Message-ID: <20081220082940.GA45945@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Fbsd1 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <494CA9E6.6050501@a1poweruser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <494CA9E6.6050501@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-RC1 i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: recover data from damaged msdos fat32 partition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:29:44 -0000 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 04:16:38PM +0800, Fbsd1 wrote: > I know i can mount fat32 partition using mount_msdos command. But my > msdos fat32 partition is a bad disk with corrupted fat table. > > Question is can i use freebsd to recover data from this msdos fAT32 disk???? > > What tools do you suggest to use? > I believe it's a job for fsck_msdosfs(8) -- Best regards, Jeff () X-mas ribbon campaign /\ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 08:58:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376F6106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:58:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itavy@itavy.com) Received: from gateway10.websitewelcome.com (gateway10.websitewelcome.com [67.18.39.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D1B8A8FC2A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itavy@itavy.com) Received: (qmail 2495 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 09:13:38 -0000 Received: from gator482.hostgator.com (67.18.18.122) by gateway10.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 09:13:38 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46035) by gator482.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LDxfN-0004C9-1u; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:58:33 -0600 Received: from 89.136.151.243 ([89.136.151.243]) by www.itavy.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:58:32 -0600 Message-ID: <20081220025832.ezwyu0hq84kscsow@www.itavy.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:58:32 -0600 From: Octavian Ionescu To: Alan Batie References: <494C3ADE.9080401@batie.org> <494C93F7.4080903@batie.org> In-Reply-To: <494C93F7.4080903@batie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator482.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - itavy.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no dvd isos? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:58:35 -0000 hi, if you really need dvd iso you can follow the instructions here http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/bsd-guru/creating-your-own-freebsd-70-dvd-22791 -- Octavian Quoting Alan Batie : > mike@sentex.net wrote: > >> There are DVD versions available >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org//pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.1/7.1-RC1-i386-dvd1.iso.gz > > That's the only version that seems to, but thanks! It looks like > they're coming... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 09:20:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5273106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scode@hyperion.scode.org) Received: from hyperion.scode.org (cl-1361.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:960:2:550::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EC68FC17 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scode@hyperion.scode.org) Received: by hyperion.scode.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 156CD23C4BA; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:20:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:20:12 +0100 From: Peter Schuller To: David N Message-ID: <20081220092011.GA88327@hyperion.scode.org> References: <4d7dd86f0812181647n7fb63aabi86baf8417bfa3966@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T4sUOijqQbZv57TR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d7dd86f0812181647n7fb63aabi86baf8417bfa3966@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing Up ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:20:13 -0000 --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I'm just curious at what others are currently doing to back up huge > amounts of data. eg. 2TB and onwards. I'm using rdiff-backup and some scripting to backup ZFS snapshots. Other than the use of the ZFS snapshots there's nothing special about it. If your use case is suitable for rdiff-backup, using it with ZFS is a nice combination. For 2 TB+ I do suspect you would want to divide that up into multiple distinct rdiff-backup sets and indeed dependening on situation you may still have a problem with performance. In general I don't know that there is a lot ZFS specific to know about backups other than the availability of snapshots, and other than the potential to use zfs send/receive. Personally I am reluctant to use ZFS send/receive at this stage, because it is too dependent on ZFS. I would love to use it for maintaining a hot standby machine, or having an almost-realtime backup in the best case senario. But I would probably want a generic non-ZFS specific backup as my primary backup as well. One risk that you want to target with ZFS is that of a bug in ZFS itself; such bugs could conceivably be such that it affects your zfs send/receive backup. You mention: > 3. ZFS -> Remote ZFS using RSync (Living in Australia, there are > limits on data transfer of a few hundred GB per month, to costs are > prohibitive) rdiff-backup will be good in this senario too, giving you a rolling window of history in addition to an up-to-date mirror. It does do incremental updates including applying the rsync algorithm on individual files. It is definitely slower, in terms of CPU usage, than rsync however so if you have massive amounts of small files you may feel there is an issue. That said, I'm using it regularly to backup millions of files (e.g. collections of Maildir mailboxes). I mention rdiff-backup but of course there are plenty of others. I just happen to prefer rdiff-backup, mostly because of it's "rsync mirror + history" semantics and completely trivial setup. --=20 / Peter Schuller PGP userID: 0xE9758B7D or 'Peter Schuller ' Key retrieval: Send an E-Mail to getpgpkey@scode.org E-Mail: peter.schuller@infidyne.com Web: http://www.scode.org --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklMuMsACgkQDNor2+l1i31WvwCg630JsghFHth9SL31aGKjwU6c FGEAmwYS2Tz0GqN45mgD4JjMdtztIocH =5onU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 09:33:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669FC1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [62.220.235.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8FB8FC18 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971571CC67 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:11:15 +0200 (EET) Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id NJCzi821fnse for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:11:13 +0200 (EET) Received: from rivendell (a88-114-132-29.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.114.132.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56661CC66 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:11:10 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <20551412847B4F6B8C7DC173D6354B6E@rivendell> From: "Reko Turja" To: "FreeBSD Questions" References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:16:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:33:15 -0000 > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. Great, natural and energy saving form of water cooling! Just=20 disconnect all the fans and overclock to your hearts content! -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 10:20:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E764B1065674 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A142B8FC1C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from [85.173.17.176] (helo=moosa) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1LDywx-000MXR-3L; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:20:47 +0300 To: Chris References: <1163ED2B-058F-426E-850C-E0253BF13645@hughes.net> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:20:44 +0300 In-Reply-To: <1163ED2B-058F-426E-850C-E0253BF13645@hughes.net> (Chris's message of "Wed\, 17 Dec 2008 19\:03\:45 -0800") Message-ID: <83710307@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Questions Subject: Re: linux_base question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:20:49 -0000 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:03:45 -0800 Chris wrote: > I just updated ports and have the following shown > linux_base-f7 > linux_base-f8 I'd use this one if you cat't use linux_base-fc4. AFAIC this port has a fixed libc which works better with linuxulator. Please read /usr/ports/UPDATING for more information about non-default linux base ports (linux_base-6,7,8). You can't use FreeBSD-6.x though. > linux_base-fc4 > linux_base-fc6 > (and several Gentoo) WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 10:27:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058941065676 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:27:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B190A8FC1C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from [85.173.17.176] (helo=moosa) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1LDz3o-000Md1-AT; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:27:52 +0300 To: Da Rock References: <1163ED2B-058F-426E-850C-E0253BF13645@hughes.net> <200812180907.38715.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net> <1229604202.1266.65.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:27:49 +0300 In-Reply-To: <1229604202.1266.65.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> (Da Rock's message of "Thu\, 18 Dec 2008 22\:43\:22 +1000") Message-ID: <01634346@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: linux_base question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:27:54 -0000 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:43:22 +1000 Da Rock wrote: > If this is the case, what is the difference between the ports? Well, just what they are: ports for Fedora Core 6, Fedora 7 and Fedora 8. > Do the libraries change? Sure, some libraries changes did occure. At least minor versions were. A more detailed information you may discover the differencies looking at makefiles and pkg-plist files. > Supporting software? Hw, compat.linux.osrelease should be set to 2.6.16. > Can freebsd effectively emulate any kernel version? No, the default is 2.4.2 and a planned one (not default and not fully supported, but in a good shape so far) is 2.6.16. WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 11:01:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665661065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292A88FC17 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8208237FB6; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:28:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B4B38010; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:28:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90-227-65-237-no41.tbcn.telia.com [90.227.65.237]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1095737E48; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:28:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <494CC8DD.5080609@telia.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:28:45 +0100 From: Roger Olofsson <240olofsson@telia.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Yang References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: general question about setting up gateway X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raggen@raggens.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:01:22 -0000 Richard Yang skrev: > hi, > i am trying to use freebsd as my home network gateway to the internet. > any good reference i should know besides what's in the handbook? > thanks > > rich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 2008-12-19 10:09 > Hello Richard, The first step is really easy - assuming you have a FreeBSD with two nics in it - edit /etc/rc.conf and comment out the line that starts with 'defaultrouter=' and then add a line saying 'gateway_enable="YES". The second step is a bit more complicated - you will have to decide on a firewall and a NAT mechanism. Depending on your choice here you will have to do various things to implement it. The handbook is a good start when chosing firewall - http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/firewalls.html . There are alot of other additional information spread out on the (w)internet - here's a couple: ipfilter http://freebsd.peon.net/tutorials/21/ ipfilter and pf resources http://www.obfuscation.org/ipf/ pf http://web.irtnog.org/howtos-orig/freebsd-firewall I hope this will help you get started. Greetings /Roger From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 11:02:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCAD1065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC718FC16 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from OttK@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760CFFD26B for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:02:55 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 74A59FD25A; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:02:55 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RDNS_DYNAMIC, SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [192.168.1.64] (87-119-181-26.tll.elisa.ee [87.119.181.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67648FD27F for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:02:53 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <494CD0DD.3010204@zzz.ee> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:02:53 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= Organization: TIGMA AS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:02:57 -0000 Gary Hartl wrote: > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > 7-release server. > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > > > Any suggestions, > First, make sure Your ports tree is up to date: # csup -h cvsup.xx.freebsd.org /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile Check the snow version: # pkg_version -v|grep snow Maybe your snow needs upgrade: # portupgrade snow See what software is using snow: # portversion -rv snow If you do not snow any more, just: # pkg_delete snow ;) Greetings! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 12:01:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C7A1065676; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewey@sasser.ws) Received: from que21.charter.net (que21.charter.net [209.225.8.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52898FC36; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewey@sasser.ws) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20081220113850.PSIB20903.mta21.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net>; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:38:50 -0500 Received: from kitty ([24.177.50.169]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20081220113850.UOSA25639.aarprv04.charter.net@kitty>; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:38:50 -0500 Received: from dewey by kitty with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LE0AS-0002nN-V5; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:38:49 -0500 Received: from mail.sasser.ws [192.168.213.5] by kitty with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.6) for (single-drop); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sc157-tigr.sjc.collab.net (sc157.sjc.collab.net [204.16.104.146]) by imf16.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sc157-tigr.sjc.collab.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sc157-tigr.sjc.collab.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A693F7B033C; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Mail Reader Service (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.0) with SMTP ID 229 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cylon2.sjc.collab.net (cylon2.sjc.collab.net [204.16.104.18]) by sc157-tigr.sjc.collab.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807367B0333 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru ([77.88.32.20]) by cylon2.sjc.collab.net with ESMTP; 18 Dec 2008 10:57:47 -0800 Received: from smtp15.yandex.ru (smtp15.yandex.ru [77.88.32.85]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id DC1C34C54B1; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:57:45 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 200-203-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net ([91.124.203.200]:30736 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S4866214AbYLRS5k (ORCPT + 4 others); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:57:40 +0300 X-Account-Key: account3 X-UIDL: 475790c50000dddf X-Mozilla-Keys: Delivered-To: dewey@sasser.com X-FDA: 61702497318 X-Panda: scanned! 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(v4.0.24) Professional X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp15.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes X-MsgDayCount: 20 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229626660 X-Yandex-Front: smtp15 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-IRONPORT: SCANNED X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,244,1228118400"; d="scan'208";a="21677591" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoUDAJwrSklNWCAUkGdsb2JhbACNHYZDAQEBAQkJDAcRA6tQWIUBCAGLVIF1CAEabg X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true precedence: bulk Sender: X-Chzlrs: 0 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mel , users@subversion.tigris.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:01:46 -0000 =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82=D0=B5, D= avid. DW> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:03 AM, KES wrote: >> =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82=D0=B5= , Mel. >> >> =D0=92=D1=8B =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8 18 =D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BA= =D0=B0=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2008 =D0=B3., 9:05:35: >> >> M> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 21:02:07 KES wrote: >>>> =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82=D0= =B5, Mel. >>>> >>>> =D0=92=D1=8B =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8 17 =D0=B4=D0=B5=D0= =BA=D0=B0=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2008 =D0=B3., 9:11:19: >>>> >>>> M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >>>> >> =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82= =D0=B5, Polytropon. >>>> >> >>>> >> =D0=92=D1=8B =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8 14 =D0=B4=D0=B5= =D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2008 =D0=B3., 15:11:35: >>>> >> >>>> >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >>>> >> >>>> >> P> wrote: >>>> >> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >>>> >> >> > kes# pw user show svn >>>> >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >>>> >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> >> >> > Starting svnserve. >>>> >> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> try to change directory to existent >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >>>> >> >>>> >> home# uname -a >>>> >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 1= 2 >>>> >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN= _v7 >>>> >> i386 home# pw user show svn >>>> >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >>>> >> >>>> >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also i= t >>>> >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel grou= p >>>> >> >>>> >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >>>> >> does not work on >>>> >> kes# uname -a >>>> >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov= 23 >>>> >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 >>>> >> kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 >>>> >>>> M> echo 'rc_debug=3D"YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf >>>> M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> >>>> M> Show output from /var/log/messages. >>>> >>>> kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is se= t to >>>> YES. Starting svnserve. >>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -= c 'sh >>>> -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3D3690 --foreground -r >>>> /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry >> >> M> Does this command work from the command line? >> M> If not, does it work if called as su -fm rather then su -m? >> M> If that does not work, does the primary group svn is supposed to be i= n exist? >> >> >> kes# su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3D369= 0 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >> su: Sorry >> kes# su -fm svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3D36= 90 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >> su: Sorry >> kes# pw group show svn >> svn:*:1005: >> kes# cat /etc/group | grep svn >> svn:*:1005: >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> >> As you see it does not work also with -fm option >> >> >> Also I notice next differences between FreeBDS 7.0 and 7.1 (detail below= ) >> Notice that on both system account is locked, has no valid shell and >> home directory >> on FreeBSD 7.0 when I try to login with svn user it says: This account i= s currently not available. >> on FreeBSD 7.1 when I try to login with svn user it says: su: Sorry >> Maybe there is a problem with su on FreeBSD 7.1? >> >> >> >> home# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >> home# su svn >> This account is currently not available. >> >> >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> kes# su svn >> su: Sorry >> kes# pw user mod svn -s /usr/bin/nologin >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/bin/nologin >> kes# su svn >> su: Sorry >> DW> Why don't you setup "sudo" and see if that will work for you? I've DW> always found sudo much less troublesome than "su". DW> Then, you can modify your startup script to use sudo instead of "su". Why maintainer of rc.subr use 'su' instead of 'sudo'? Maybe su has some benefit I do not know. If I edit standart rc.subr to use sudo instead of 'su' there maybe other sripts will not sturtup. --=20 =D0=A1 =D1=83=D0=B2=D0=B0=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B5=D0=BC, KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru ------------------------------------------------------ http://subversion.tigris.org/ds/viewMessage.do?dsForumId=3D1065&dsMessageId= =3D986891 To unsubscribe from this discussion, e-mail: [users-unsubscribe@subversion.= tigris.org]. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 12:01:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C7A1065676; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewey@sasser.ws) Received: from que21.charter.net (que21.charter.net [209.225.8.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52898FC36; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewey@sasser.ws) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20081220113850.PSIB20903.mta21.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net>; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:38:50 -0500 Received: from kitty ([24.177.50.169]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20081220113850.UOSA25639.aarprv04.charter.net@kitty>; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:38:50 -0500 Received: from dewey by kitty with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LE0AS-0002nN-V5; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:38:49 -0500 Received: from mail.sasser.ws [192.168.213.5] by kitty with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.6) for (single-drop); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sc157-tigr.sjc.collab.net (sc157.sjc.collab.net [204.16.104.146]) by imf16.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sc157-tigr.sjc.collab.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sc157-tigr.sjc.collab.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A693F7B033C; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by Mail Reader Service (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.0) with SMTP ID 229 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cylon2.sjc.collab.net (cylon2.sjc.collab.net [204.16.104.18]) by sc157-tigr.sjc.collab.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807367B0333 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru ([77.88.32.20]) by cylon2.sjc.collab.net with ESMTP; 18 Dec 2008 10:57:47 -0800 Received: from smtp15.yandex.ru (smtp15.yandex.ru [77.88.32.85]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id DC1C34C54B1; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:57:45 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 200-203-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net ([91.124.203.200]:30736 "EHLO HOMEUSER" smtp-auth: "kes-kes" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S4866214AbYLRS5k (ORCPT + 4 others); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:57:40 +0300 X-Account-Key: account3 X-UIDL: 475790c50000dddf X-Mozilla-Keys: Delivered-To: dewey@sasser.com X-FDA: 61702497318 X-Panda: scanned! 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(v4.0.24) Professional X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp15.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: kes-kes X-MsgDayCount: 20 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-BornDate: 1149541200 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1229626660 X-Yandex-Front: smtp15 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-IRONPORT: SCANNED X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,244,1228118400"; d="scan'208";a="21677591" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoUDAJwrSklNWCAUkGdsb2JhbACNHYZDAQEBAQkJDAcRA6tQWIUBCAGLVIF1CAEabg X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true precedence: bulk Sender: X-Chzlrs: 0 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Mel , users@subversion.tigris.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Reply-To: KES List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:01:46 -0000 =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82=D0=B5, D= avid. DW> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:03 AM, KES wrote: >> =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82=D0=B5= , Mel. >> >> =D0=92=D1=8B =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8 18 =D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BA= =D0=B0=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2008 =D0=B3., 9:05:35: >> >> M> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 21:02:07 KES wrote: >>>> =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82=D0= =B5, Mel. >>>> >>>> =D0=92=D1=8B =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8 17 =D0=B4=D0=B5=D0= =BA=D0=B0=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2008 =D0=B3., 9:11:19: >>>> >>>> M> On Sunday 14 December 2008 16:11:17 KES wrote: >>>> >> =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82= =D0=B5, Polytropon. >>>> >> >>>> >> =D0=92=D1=8B =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8 14 =D0=B4=D0=B5= =D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2008 =D0=B3., 15:11:35: >>>> >> >>>> >> P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar >>>> >> >>>> >> P> wrote: >>>> >> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >>>> >> >> > kes# pw user show svn >>>> >> >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >>>> >> >> > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> >> >> > Starting svnserve. >>>> >> >> > su: Sorry >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> try to change directory to existent >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (1) What's /bin/bash? Check existing shell. >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (2) As you said: Check existing directory. >>>> >> >>>> >> P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. >>>> >> >>>> >> home# uname -a >>>> >> FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 1= 2 >>>> >> 02:11:24 EEST 2008 kes@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN= _v7 >>>> >> i386 home# pw user show svn >>>> >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >>>> >> >>>> >> As you can see on 'home' machine svn user has no valid shell also i= t >>>> >> has not valid home directory and it is not included into wheel grou= p >>>> >> >>>> >> But svnserve is started and works fine. With same settings svnserve >>>> >> does not work on >>>> >> kes# uname -a >>>> >> FreeBSD kes.net.ua 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #: Sun Nov= 23 >>>> >> 17:19:12 EET 2008 >>>> >> kes@home.kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 >>>> >>>> M> echo 'rc_debug=3D"YES"'>>/etc/rc.conf >>>> M> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> >>>> M> Show output from /var/log/messages. >>>> >>>> kes# kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start >>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: checkyesno: svnserve_enable is se= t to >>>> YES. Starting svnserve. >>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve: DEBUG: run_rc_command: doit: su -m svn -= c 'sh >>>> -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3D3690 --foreground -r >>>> /var/db/trunk"' su: Sorry >> >> M> Does this command work from the command line? >> M> If not, does it work if called as su -fm rather then su -m? >> M> If that does not work, does the primary group svn is supposed to be i= n exist? >> >> >> kes# su -m svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3D369= 0 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >> su: Sorry >> kes# su -fm svn -c 'sh -c "/usr/local/bin/svnserve -d --listen-port=3D36= 90 --foreground -r /var/db/trunk"' >> su: Sorry >> kes# pw group show svn >> svn:*:1005: >> kes# cat /etc/group | grep svn >> svn:*:1005: >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> >> As you see it does not work also with -fm option >> >> >> Also I notice next differences between FreeBDS 7.0 and 7.1 (detail below= ) >> Notice that on both system account is locked, has no valid shell and >> home directory >> on FreeBSD 7.0 when I try to login with svn user it says: This account i= s currently not available. >> on FreeBSD 7.1 when I try to login with svn user it says: su: Sorry >> Maybe there is a problem with su on FreeBSD 7.1? >> >> >> >> home# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1003:1002::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin >> home# su svn >> This account is currently not available. >> >> >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> kes# su svn >> su: Sorry >> kes# pw user mod svn -s /usr/bin/nologin >> kes# pw user show svn >> svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/usr/bin/nologin >> kes# su svn >> su: Sorry >> DW> Why don't you setup "sudo" and see if that will work for you? I've DW> always found sudo much less troublesome than "su". DW> Then, you can modify your startup script to use sudo instead of "su". Why maintainer of rc.subr use 'su' instead of 'sudo'? Maybe su has some benefit I do not know. If I edit standart rc.subr to use sudo instead of 'su' there maybe other sripts will not sturtup. --=20 =D0=A1 =D1=83=D0=B2=D0=B0=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B5=D0=BC, KES mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru ------------------------------------------------------ http://subversion.tigris.org/ds/viewMessage.do?dsForumId=3D1065&dsMessageId= =3D986891 To unsubscribe from this discussion, e-mail: [users-unsubscribe@subversion.= tigris.org]. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 12:09:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8F91065676 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thedossone@googlemail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6E68FC17 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thedossone@googlemail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so888453fkk.11 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:09:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=WjLetyTxQY5R7hGN12GBBp2IGNAjcZ9Q6+Q0Zw7mpjs=; b=FOuVr3NHQBzb9oBpNLEeI6GcDV5kRF9A4J7gboHFIiirh1aXMecCDm/7hh4rXOcXpP TqPlg5pZJvoW3T2emAJyiunk3vU4hJGy9rKB2qtnjMox96qWhnq1kdjFh5+rj6kVzqf/ xP7ETu49UYVi2NZ9zcdXzj1gekHtX3muZlPdA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=xNZpkVmwPxAWCIsGvMw0NWVN8Tmi+isnPtunVjRo64cYZ646vg9FfvHxK3CI8PKPEY 21/FRBK+VOz9swniyV6PRN5LV53oXzXQmqKxY8TYigHZeCXzBtzuhZSdyXrcpOCQDgNQ 9OLQJ3tLwF/nzShGs4BSSXzt8cFKUlDSVfzVU= Received: by 10.103.227.10 with SMTP id e10mr1598323mur.30.1229773549469; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:45:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.239.15 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:45:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6fec50390812200345g5ae379ek85e2fd7d1f491553@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:45:49 +0000 From: "Max Russell" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: mount DVD - invalid argument X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:09:52 -0000 I have two DVD drives on my machine. max@~: grep acd /var/run/dmesg.boot acd0: DVDR at ata1-master UDMA66 acd1: DMA limited to UDMA33, device found non-ATA66 cable acd1: DVDROM at ata1-slave UDMA33 the optical section of my fstab is like this: /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/acd1 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 however, when I try and mount a DVD, I get the following: max@~: sudo mount_cd9660 -s 0 /dev/acd0 /cdrom mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0: Invalid argument I have been able to mount CDs. If I'm missing something really obvious, any help would be appreciated. ta Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 12:11:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD88A1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royer.franck@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f19.google.com (mail-bw0-f19.google.com [209.85.218.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C08E8FC1F for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royer.franck@gmail.com) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3899668bwz.19 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:11:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=OMf4jgc4bwv1ozeQGtQxnxLxbpdkZnaN/7ab1f8QWX0=; b=JAQFOn0rU7J1aijnuRUW+g9Knkh8KsFXZujEhMx9/46ASeMtb/cNcLebnu7CjzPKNY vuPaiBGMqSJhiQMUpO8BGBwqMaCGIe8HILGhPjWpGuQJuhyPatydP+IYlyhQiKDHB2pR av7PmwbrBLCgzeGY3EQBcfuNIyiXrlRf1a+hs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; b=wpBfLKTC+BKeDVNfbvtDPBGGFV4P6/tPyj+gi2WlsjJYyWPDNaxzoF/nAYgnrir3kB oupcxmuFtOf7BoRh+086mXLnGrMwB5Po6p6ghMlrEIeFhhT7CRFHX4fiHC9dzty68gkP eB4u8EXMCXwR0iF2EeFsfyVQlo+9KjVVRJoiQ= Received: by 10.103.229.12 with SMTP id g12mr1605013mur.16.1229773528234; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? (bx.dantesk.net [82.66.28.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i7sm10508145mue.45.2008.12.20.03.44.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:45:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494CDAA2.8040700@free.fr> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:44:34 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Franck Royer Subject: geom lvm class - glvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:11:04 -0000 Hi, I found this entry on the official website : http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/r...0-2007-12.html But I didn't find any other information about the geom lvm class or glvm. How can i activate it in the kernel ? Is here any tools about it ? Thank From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 13:08:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D705B1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4D78FC20 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:08:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBKD8nUx008947; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:08:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBKD8lDq008944; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:08:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:08:47 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Max Russell In-Reply-To: <6fec50390812200345g5ae379ek85e2fd7d1f491553@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081220140814.W8943@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <6fec50390812200345g5ae379ek85e2fd7d1f491553@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount DVD - invalid argument X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:08:59 -0000 > > max@~: grep acd /var/run/dmesg.boot > acd0: DVDR at ata1-master UDMA66 > acd1: DMA limited to UDMA33, device found non-ATA66 cable > acd1: DVDROM at ata1-slave UDMA33 > > the optical section of my fstab is like this: > > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > /dev/acd1 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 isn't it better just to have /dev/acd0 /dvdr cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/acd1 /dvd cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 to avoid all the mess? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 13:23:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FF51065675 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:23:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from smtp3.brturbo.com.br (smtp3.brte.com.br [200.199.201.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18168FC13 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:22:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from lobo (unknown [189.70.107.183]) by smtp3.brturbo.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE1C33E67 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:12:49 -0200 (BRST) From: Mario Lobo Organization: DigiArt Systems To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:22:58 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> <494CD0DD.3010204@zzz.ee> In-Reply-To: <494CD0DD.3010204@zzz.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812201022.58877.mlobo@digiart.art.br> Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:23:00 -0000 On Saturday 20 December 2008 08:02:53 Ott K=F6stner wrote: > Gary Hartl wrote: > > Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd > > 7-release server. > > > > IT seems to be causeing some http outages. > > > > My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. > > > > > > Any suggestions, > > First, make sure Your ports tree is up to date: > # csup -h cvsup.xx.freebsd.org /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile > > Check the snow version: > # pkg_version -v|grep snow > > Maybe your snow needs upgrade: > # portupgrade snow > > See what software is using snow: > # portversion -rv snow > > If you do not snow any more, just: > # pkg_delete snow > > ;) > Greetings! > > And don't forget to upgrade the nvidia driver !! Merry Xmas Everybody ! =2D-=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br =46reeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FRE= E) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 13:25:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C091065676 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:25:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5758FC25 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:25:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LE1pq-0001LA-K2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:25:38 +0000 Received: from mar92-9-82-237-75-54.fbx.proxad.net ([82.237.75.54]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:25:38 +0000 Received: from gilles.ganault by mar92-9-82-237-75-54.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:25:38 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Gilles Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:25:28 +0100 Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6dspk45mhp9u834qgmm465u70j56ir7qtj@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mar92-9-82-237-75-54.fbx.proxad.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.1/32.783 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081219-0, 19/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: news Subject: [6.3/Asterisk + Zaptel] Unloading module for upgrade? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:25:44 -0000 Hello Since the Ports collection showed that there were more recent versions of Asterisk and Zaptel, I tried to compile/install Zaptel, but it fails, even after stopping Zaptel cleanly, and even after stopping Asterisk itself: ========= # kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 14 0xc0400000 7a05b0 kernel 3 5 0xc2caa000 32000 zaptel.ko 4 1 0xc2ce0000 7000 qozap.ko 5 1 0xc2ce7000 20000 tau32pci.ko 6 1 0xc2d09000 5000 wcfxo.ko 7 1 0xc2d0e000 a000 wcfxs.ko 9 1 0xc2d26000 c000 wct4xxp.ko ========= # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zaptel stop zaptelkldunload: can't find file wcte12xp.ko: No such file or directory kldunload: can't find file wcte11xp.ko: No such file or directory kldunload: can't find file wct1xxp.ko: No such file or directory kldunload: can't find file wctdm24xxp.ko: No such file or directory kldunload: can't find file wctdm.ko: No such file or directory kldunload: can't unload file: Device busy ========= # kldunload zaptel kldunload: can't unload file: Device busy ========= # kldunload qozap # kldunload wcfxo # kldunload wcfxs # kldunload wct4xxp # kldunload zaptel kldunload: can't unload file: Device busy ========= # kldunload -f zaptel kldunload: can't unload file: Device busy ========= Dec 20 14:21:39 freebsd kernel: kldunload: attempt to unload file that was loaded by the kernel ========= What is the right way to upgrade Zaptel, without rebooting the host? Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 13:39:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2EC1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CF48FC17 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LE23V-0001ss-HH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:39:45 +0000 Received: from mar92-9-82-237-75-54.fbx.proxad.net ([82.237.75.54]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:39:45 +0000 Received: from gilles.ganault by mar92-9-82-237-75-54.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:39:45 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Gilles Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:39:36 +0100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <6dspk45mhp9u834qgmm465u70j56ir7qtj@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mar92-9-82-237-75-54.fbx.proxad.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.1/32.783 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081219-0, 19/12/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: news Subject: Re: [6.3/Asterisk + Zaptel] Unloading module for upgrade? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:39:51 -0000 On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:25:28 +0100, Gilles wrote: >Since the Ports collection showed that there were more recent versions >of Asterisk and Zaptel, I tried to compile/install Zaptel, but it >fails, even after stopping Zaptel cleanly, and even after stopping >Asterisk itself: After rebooting, I lose the SSH connection when typing "ztcf -vv", and I see the following error message in /var/log/messages: Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: Zapata Telephony Interface Registered on major 196 Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: Zaptel Version: zaptel-bsd-ng v0.0.1 Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: Zaptel Echo Canceller: MG2 Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: wctdm0 port 0xb400-0xb4ff mem 0xf5000000-0xf5000fff irq 9 at device 11.0 on pci2 Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: wctdm0: [FAST] Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: Freshmaker version: 71 Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: Freshmaker passed register test Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: Module 0: Installed -- AUTO FXO (FCC mode) Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: Module 1: Not installed Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: Module 2: Not installed Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: Module 3: Not installed Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: Found a Wildcard TDM: Wildcard TDM400P REV E/F (1 modules) Dec 20 14:37:21 freebsd kernel: link_elf: symbol te11xp_init undefined Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 13:56:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BF3106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:56:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from smtp1.betherenow.co.uk (smtp1.betherenow.co.uk [87.194.0.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80DB18FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:56:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (93-97-24-219.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.24.219]) by smtp1.betherenow.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCE49819F for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:56:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <494CF98C.8080304@onetel.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:56:28 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.7pre (X11/20081217) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: mount_msdosfs -o large? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:56:31 -0000 Hi, I have a 250gb usb hard disk formatted fat32. With just mount_msdosfs I get %mount_msdosfs /dev/da0s1 mnt/usb mount_msdosfs: /dev/da0s1: Disk too big, try '-o large' mount option: Invalid argument The large option does seem to work: %mount_msdosfs -o large /dev/da0s1 mnt/usb %mount ... /dev/da0s1 on /usr/home/chrisw/mnt/usb (msdosfs, local, nosuid, mounted by chrisw) % However I can't find anything about the large option in man pages for mount, mount_msdosfs or fstab. Would this be suitable text to go in the -o options section of mount_msdosfs(8)? large Mount a filesystem larger than 128gb WARNING: This uses at least 32 bytes of kernel memory (which is not reclaimed until the FS is unmounted) for each file on disk to map between the 32-bit inode numbers used by VFS and the 64-bit pseudo-inode numbers used internally by msdosfs. This is only safe to use in certain controlled situations (e.g. read-only FS with less than 1 million files). Since the mappings do not persist across unmounts (or reboots), these filesystems are not suitable for exporting through NFS, or any other application that requires fixed inode numbers. I got the warning out of /sys/fs/msdosfs/msdosfs_vfsops.c on my FreeBSD eco 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #1: Tue Dec 16 18:28:48 GMT 2008 root@eco:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 box. 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2008 14:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EA908FC1A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 84185 invoked by uid 89); 20 Dec 2008 14:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steve@ibctech.ca@::ffff:208.70.104.100) by ::ffff:208.70.104.210 with ESMTPA; 20 Dec 2008 14:14:44 -0000 Message-ID: <494CFB6B.2000302@ibctech.ca> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:04:27 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: prad References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> <20081219132655.0dd84ebf@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081219132655.0dd84ebf@gom.home> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:04:24 -0000 prad wrote: > i'm surprised that people actually still live in southern ontario. > > despite all the imaginative suggestions, this is obviously an issue that > should be submitted through the form here: > http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html > you will note that beastie is using something like a shovel in the pic, > so you can use this fact to strengthen your case. Ouch! Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 14:05:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2BD1065678 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B2E8FC1E for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from [85.173.16.211] (helo=moosa) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1LE2S7-000PLX-IF; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:05:11 +0300 To: Chris References: <34058EDE-BC14-4DCC-AF3C-100F77DEE486@hughes.net> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:05:09 +0300 In-Reply-To: <34058EDE-BC14-4DCC-AF3C-100F77DEE486@hughes.net> (Chris's message of "Fri\, 19 Dec 2008 09\:46\:03 -0800") Message-ID: <03393450@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Questions Subject: Re: Linking libraries for compat_linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:05:13 -0000 On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:46:03 -0800 Chris wrote: This question is may be better unswered at emulation@ ML. > I've bumped into a library I can't resolve and I must have a disconnect > in how the linux_compat works because I can't see how it could be > solved. > I have the following: > * compat_linux enabled in the kernel, > * /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base_fc7 > * sysctl kern.fallback_elf_brand=3 > * rpm2cpio to alter rpms > * cpio to create the directories and place the files where they > belong in /compat/linux. > I have a program that now has all it's libraries resolved but one in > preparation to attempt to run the Linux Quickbooks install on FreeBSD. > The ldd output, prior to installing /usr/ports/devel/fam (a required > shared > library) looks like this. > ldd ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord > ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: > libfam.so.0 => not found > libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x28072000) > libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x28088000) > libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x28171000) > libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x28198000) > libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x281a4000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x28054000) > I install fam to get rid of the not found, perform the following link: > ln /usr/local/lib/libfam.so.0 /compat/linux/lib/libfam.so.0 > and then I get this: > ldd ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord > ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: > ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: error while loading shared libraries: / > lib/libfam.so.0: ELF file OS ABI invalid > ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: exit status 127 > which kind of makes sense since this library is not a linux library. > I'd read > that I don't need to brandelf -t linux a library but I tried that > anyway, > realizing it was likely meaningless (or harmful). It didn't help of > course. > My next thought was to try and get a libfam.so.0 binary from a linux > distro > but stopped when it occurred to me that it would be illogical since > fam uses > kqueue on FreeBSD rather than something called imon. imon is not > available > for FreeBSD so a linux version shouldn't be able to function if it > expects that. On > FreeBSD, fam configures itself to not use imon. > What is the appropriate course of action to get a linux flavor shared > library > for fam (or anything which runs into such conflicts) that will work > on FreeBSD > yet be recognized as suitable for linux under the compat mode? Try to create and use linux-fam port. WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 14:07:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B34E1065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luizbcampos@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02E38FC19 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:07:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luizbcampos@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1210061yxb.13 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:07:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=IkihLTX1UAG6KRaeOxwQz+KUl0OGDqVLlXVgOguq2Os=; b=n5ZriTXgAjW5uh8DEOQxykoghcHwWNVQrYP9NCW+9NB+TOPgJEao3E0RyjXrR7eTkB c/atQEBQZOEM3uWj6c4ExCCKz1ftaYrVsErBYDniI1B4skTOljM+IY4QAnFow8JUW0jS qphvq7Yi2axIDdYDA2/8q5cx9JGF4mdv+TmyE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=q2o2c0Crsf3UmUpIZB4sndy1p61tJR7X5smZ7nVza7P4bMcElKIMHJQXDBJ/ggvC/h 2GqTP30uMGM1dWDGyFW8jBBzr1GYBOs55veSdHtDJ1hCNdX+QYrfex1thn2rYtCJOrOz M3Vxt3TO4fAeJx8gJGlfjMGL+bO7xQNpbp++s= Received: by 10.100.111.11 with SMTP id j11mr2895203anc.15.1229782078152; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.164.6 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:07:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:07:57 -0200 From: luizbcampos To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: LPRng cannot open connection... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:07:59 -0000 Trying to use LPRng printing spooler, it shows: $ lpq lpd Printer ip2200_usb_ps@localhost (dest localhost@/dev/ulpt0) Queue : no printable jobs in queue Printer 'localhost@/dev/ulpt0' cannot open connection -getconnection: cannot get address for '/dev/ulpt0' Does anyone know how to solve this? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 14:22:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D43A106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:22:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA07E8FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:22:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LE2j0-0003Vi-Di for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:22:38 +0000 Received: from 78-1-132-46.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.132.46]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:22:38 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-1-132-46.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:22:38 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:22:21 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <494CDAA2.8040700@free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA4FC0DF98ACB5B1F2705B43E" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-1-132-46.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) In-Reply-To: <494CDAA2.8040700@free.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Sender: news Subject: Re: geom lvm class - glvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:22:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA4FC0DF98ACB5B1F2705B43E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Franck Royer wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I found this entry on the official website : >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/r...0-2007-12.html > >=20 > But I didn't find any other information about the geom lvm class or glv= m. >=20 > How can i activate it in the kernel ? Is here any tools about it ? It's still here, it's just been renamed to geom_linux_lvm to avoid confusion with possible future native LVM. --------------enigA4FC0DF98ACB5B1F2705B43E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklM/50ACgkQldnAQVacBchBRQCeJO7WLO3ZHoqSnzLKbqZ/r20K 3FgAn22T8db4sMlRTYEvktTJOoYcyn6H =ySqM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA4FC0DF98ACB5B1F2705B43E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 15:22:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785F71065675 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:22:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6028FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:22:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (246.10.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.10.246]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6F344633655; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from baby-jane (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4279C682168; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:22:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:22:32 +0100 From: Patrick =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Lamaizi=E8re?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Max Russell" Message-ID: <20081220162232.528135be@baby-jane> In-Reply-To: <6fec50390812200345g5ae379ek85e2fd7d1f491553@mail.gmail.com> References: <6fec50390812200345g5ae379ek85e2fd7d1f491553@mail.gmail.com> Organization: /dave/nulle X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i386-apple-darwin9.3.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: mount DVD - invalid argument X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:22:36 -0000 Le Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:45:49 +0000, "Max Russell" a crit : > I have two DVD drives on my machine. > > max@~: grep acd /var/run/dmesg.boot > acd0: DVDR at ata1-master UDMA66 > acd1: DMA limited to UDMA33, device found non-ATA66 cable > acd1: DVDROM at ata1-slave UDMA33 > > the optical section of my fstab is like this: > > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > /dev/acd1 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > > however, when I try and mount a DVD, I get the following: > > max@~: sudo mount_cd9660 -s 0 /dev/acd0 /cdrom > mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0: Invalid argument > > I have been able to mount CDs. > > If I'm missing something really obvious, any help would be > appreciated. Some DVDs are in UDF format. Use mount_udf(8). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 15:35:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B220E1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761CB8FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBKFZNep095840; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBKFZNjQ095837; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:35:23 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Alain BATARD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:35:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:35:26 -0000 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Alain BATARD wrote: > I am M. Alain BATARD and i work in a formation center. > For my Unix course i use Freebsd (V 7), we recently change our computers for > laptops (Compaq 6820s) these computers are equipped with integrated video : > ATI Mobility Radeon X1350, after looking for drivers to launch Xorg, i can > only use the very poor video in VGA mode, is there any possibilities to find > the good driver even by using xorgconfig or manually ? Try x11-drivers/ati and x11-drivers/radeonhd from ports. Robert Noland has been working hard at support for more and better Radeons, but those changes and the new xorg won't come out until sometime after 7.1 is released. The FreeBSD X11 mailing list will probably be more helpful for xorg problems: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/ -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 16:25:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A2C1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) Received: from omr5.networksolutionsemail.com (omr5.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EF28FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr5.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.68]) by omr5.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id mBKFwPM5014531 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:58:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 29737 invoked by uid 78); 20 Dec 2008 15:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.5.12?) (marteswigg@mgwigglesworth.com@24.125.250.206) by ns-omr5.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 15:58:25 -0000 From: Martes G Wigglesworth To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: M.G. Wigglesworth,LLC Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:58:29 -0500 Message-Id: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3-1.3mdv2008.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: martes@mgwigglesworth.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:25:11 -0000 Greetings List. If I am sending to the wrong list, then please let me know what would have been a more appropriate choice. I am attempting to research what is meant when, I saw that Juniper had re-written the network stack from the base freebsd network stack, to what is used in JUNOS. What exactly is meant by this? What is included in the network stack, when mentioned that it was completely re-written? I am a budding computer scientist, and would like to know where to start investigating how this would be done, and why they felt that the defacto network-centric OS for decades needed to be rewritten? Was this simply so they could rename the portions that they wrote as their own, in a business-savvy decision making process, or was it necessary from a technical standpoint? Any input would be appreciated, and if this question is too broad, then please point me in the right direction to make further inquiries. Thanks Respectfully, -- Martes G Wigglesworth M.G. 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(bx.dantesk.net [82.66.28.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e9sm10197851muf.51.2008.12.20.08.27.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:27:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494D1CE6.7020201@free.fr> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:27:18 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Voras References: <494CDAA2.8040700@free.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Franck Royer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: geom lvm class - glvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:27:24 -0000 Ivan Voras a écrit : > Franck Royer wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I found this entry on the official website : >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/r...0-2007-12.html >> >> >> But I didn't find any other information about the geom lvm class or glvm. >> >> How can i activate it in the kernel ? Is here any tools about it ? >> > > It's still here, it's just been renamed to geom_linux_lvm to avoid > confusion with possible future native LVM. > Thank you but what do you mean ? Because When I add "option GEOM_LINUX_LVM" in the kernel configuration, this option is refused. And when I try a kldload geom_linux_lvm the module is still not found. Franck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 16:33:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A0F1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC1A8FC17 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:33:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBKGWqwH009607; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:32:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBKGWqA6009604; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:32:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:32:52 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Martes G Wigglesworth In-Reply-To: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> Message-ID: <20081220172702.B9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:33:02 -0000 > > I am attempting to research what is meant when, I saw that Juniper had > re-written the network stack from the base freebsd network stack, to > what is used in JUNOS. What exactly is meant by this? What is included > in the network stack, when mentioned that it was completely re-written? ask juniper what it means ;) anyway - in FreeBSD it's still "original" network stack not juniper one. > > I am a budding computer scientist, and would like to know where to start > investigating how this would be done, and why they felt that the defacto > network-centric OS for decades needed to be rewritten? because they wanted to ;) again - ask juniper about it. Probably because FreeBSD stack does not assume existence of any routing-dedicated hardware, while for sure in high end routers there are such things. maybe they do mixer software-hardware routing. anyway it seems strange i would rather use FreeBSD running computer as "control plane" for hardware router, that would fill routing tables in router's chips memory. > Was this simply so they could rename the portions that they wrote as > their own, in a business-savvy decision making process, or was it > necessary from a technical standpoint? ones again - ask juniper! it's wrong place to ask why someone else wanted something else!!! FreeBSD is FREE, and - contrary to GNU communists licence, does not require to share any code derived from FreeBSD sources. There is nothing to prevent you to use FreeBSD code (except gnu parts) modified as you like, hidden or not as you like whereever you like. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 16:34:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFD01065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:34:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DC58FC1A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBKGYUjQ009618; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:34:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBKGYUuK009615; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:34:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:34:30 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chris Whitehouse In-Reply-To: <494CF98C.8080304@onetel.com> Message-ID: <20081220173311.A9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <494CF98C.8080304@onetel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: mount_msdosfs -o large? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:34:39 -0000 > chrisw) > % > > However I can't find anything about the large option in man pages for mount, > mount_msdosfs or fstab. > > Would this be suitable text to go in the -o options section of > mount_msdosfs(8)? > > > large > Mount a filesystem larger than 128gb > > WARNING: This uses at least 32 bytes of kernel memory (which is not > reclaimed until the FS is unmounted) for each file on disk to map > between the 32-bit inode numbers used by VFS and the 64-bit > pseudo-inode numbers used internally by msdosfs. This is only > safe to use in certain controlled situations (e.g. read-only FS > with less than 1 million files). > Since the mappings do not persist across unmounts (or reboots), these > filesystems are not suitable for exporting through NFS, or any other > application that requires fixed inode numbers. > please do sent-pr with that. it is missing important part of manual. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 16:35:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D555106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:35:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C293B8FC13 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:35:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBKGZhKs009637; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:35:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBKGZgSM009634; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:35:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:35:42 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gilles In-Reply-To: <6dspk45mhp9u834qgmm465u70j56ir7qtj@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20081220173519.H9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <6dspk45mhp9u834qgmm465u70j56ir7qtj@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [6.3/Asterisk + Zaptel] Unloading module for upgrade? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:35:52 -0000 > # kldunload -f zaptel > kldunload: can't unload file: Device busy > ========= > Dec 20 14:21:39 freebsd kernel: kldunload: attempt to unload file that > was loaded by the kernel > ========= > What is the right way to upgrade Zaptel, without rebooting the host? please stop asterisk first to be able to reload zaptel. you can't unload used module! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 16:38:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C7B106564A; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royer.franck@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f11.google.com (mail-fx0-f11.google.com [209.85.220.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB71B8FC12; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royer.franck@gmail.com) Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so281130fxm.19 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:38:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=Eik55Jrpwq6SXEmXMuaMngZuJCy7aHEixLHVwaEBpkQ=; b=D0D5hrzKXcmRtHw9maOEm/qk83RDRdyZ7NGdDyQMPwyBev/BwnxxAmTVYZ34hPzJEQ 6VcUhogPBO41sVmd+pkXulU1gpkY2RKtMmU5OiI3tADBhKuy82ZNfpRbvJ2shmXDMBeD WlGENJ/NQqUhSIjYyTbfboJ3SOeGcjmipg8Qw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=BIEIq5nfa8qqF2K2b7vzwUslNuF0waxNYCYa3TA+QHVvYh6IEJlgQ2WNGudy3/rx/0 Ug9b43xZag60BBdgXqSvNS1sniS/PWr3v3YH19KOuIzvP27bVADyQWUGB+Tcvr75E27G 9q3s49olCkn3jth2W+MVTL8avUSU6ADcRjxvE= Received: by 10.103.160.3 with SMTP id m3mr1681982muo.25.1229791136529; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? (bx.dantesk.net [82.66.28.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm13038676mup.10.2008.12.20.08.38.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:38:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494D1F9D.8050506@free.fr> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:38:53 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Franck Royer References: <494CDAA2.8040700@free.fr> <494D1CE6.7020201@free.fr> In-Reply-To: <494D1CE6.7020201@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Franck Royer Cc: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: geom lvm class - glvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:38:58 -0000 Apparently, the option is only available on freebsd-8.0. I will check If I can compile a Freebsd-8.0 kernel on a freebsd-7.0 just for getting the files from my lvm and then going back on a stable kernel. Franck Franck Royer a écrit : > Ivan Voras a écrit : > >> Franck Royer wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I found this entry on the official website : >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/r...0-2007-12.html >>> >>> >>> But I didn't find any other information about the geom lvm class or glvm. >>> >>> How can i activate it in the kernel ? Is here any tools about it ? >>> >>> >> It's still here, it's just been renamed to geom_linux_lvm to avoid >> confusion with possible future native LVM. >> >> > Thank you but what do you mean ? Because When I add "option > GEOM_LINUX_LVM" in the kernel configuration, this option is refused. And > when I try a kldload geom_linux_lvm the module is still not found. > > Franck > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 17:40:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4115B106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD58B8FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so939809fkk.11 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:40:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=B4EuO2IzhxL5hWSZ4gm8CqriArn8XDFMoodIBezzjcs=; b=NuzQ2hFtUeApI2WGaCyy18emorGV538xVBTq3dbd5PcyhBewl4Yl4Bpcdv+0PlbX9g NRVAnBK933Kj7udAYap9BEjsP2qK1LZe6lgh3zG8oWq5PkjeF0p1SpohvEZXdydmYq+A aW8A5dw++9+hW+LCZw31qnu7VN7saZNFSTaD8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=v0xW00te0rlrsztvoSP5xu06FWvg85aCVHxssIzoXr8By57sOYT2hvypYCvt7ruiZs UVS7Fq6BAI43Iw0xropbMIZoJTGRpOuZZAFdN57VOnyyUWeJr3a44UxJWu3ApgUWCbxI Olx10aPgQkjPl2c0gVcXLdeN7wXoA1y2n/0cE= Received: by 10.180.214.13 with SMTP id m13mr1562555bkg.157.1229794836204; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.20.7 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:40:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9bbcef730812200940md79629yea7d3a7b39c88ab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:40:31 +0100 From: "Ivan Voras" Sender: ivoras@gmail.com To: "Franck Royer" In-Reply-To: <494D1F9D.8050506@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <494CDAA2.8040700@free.fr> <494D1CE6.7020201@free.fr> <494D1F9D.8050506@free.fr> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4c04ab4a0bad6739 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: geom lvm class - glvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:40:38 -0000 2008/12/20 Franck Royer : > Apparently, the option is only available on freebsd-8.0. /boot/kernel/geom_linux_lvm.ko is present in 7-STABLE. > I will check If I can compile a Freebsd-8.0 kernel on a freebsd-7.0 just > for getting the files from my lvm and then going back on a stable kernel. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 17:47:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44281065794 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:47:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from smtp1.betherenow.co.uk (smtp1.betherenow.co.uk [87.194.0.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BB5A8FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (93-97-24-219.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.24.219]) by smtp1.betherenow.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD9D9818B for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:47:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <494D2FAA.5060300@onetel.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:47:22 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.7pre (X11/20081217) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: User Questions References: <494CF98C.8080304@onetel.com> <20081220173311.A9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <20081220173311.A9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mount_msdosfs -o large? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:47:25 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> chrisw) >> % >> >> However I can't find anything about the large option in man pages for >> mount, mount_msdosfs or fstab. >> >> Would this be suitable text to go in the -o options section of >> mount_msdosfs(8)? >> >> >> large >> Mount a filesystem larger than 128gb >> >> WARNING: This uses at least 32 bytes of kernel memory (which is not >> reclaimed until the FS is unmounted) for each file on disk to map >> between the 32-bit inode numbers used by VFS and the 64-bit >> pseudo-inode numbers used internally by msdosfs. This is only >> safe to use in certain controlled situations (e.g. read-only FS >> with less than 1 million files). >> Since the mappings do not persist across unmounts (or reboots), these >> filesystems are not suitable for exporting through NFS, or any other >> application that requires fixed inode numbers. >> > > please do sent-pr with that. > > it is missing important part of manual. > done C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 18:20:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FB1106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lothlorien@tochka.ru) Received: from smtp16.mtu.ru (smtp16.mtu.ru [62.5.255.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6208FC13 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:20:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lothlorien@tochka.ru) Received: from smtp16.mtu.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp16.mtu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18EC346B55 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:03:51 +0300 (MSK) Received: from imp02.mtu.ru (imp02.mtu.ru [62.5.255.19]) by smtp16.mtu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBC5346AEE for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:03:51 +0300 (MSK) Received: from ss27-so02.mtu.ru ([195.34.34.250]) by imp02.mtu.ru with bizsmtp id tW1E1a03z5PoRs301W1Edz; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:01:14 +0300 Received: from ss27-so02.mtu.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ss27-so02.mtu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6FE229760; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:01:14 +0300 (MSK) Received: from imp02.mtu.ru (alt-proxy-1.mtu.ru [62.5.255.74]) by ss27-so02.mtu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF42A22974D; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:01:14 +0300 (MSK) Received: from ABBEYROAD ([91.77.73.3]) by imp02.mtu.ru with bizsmtp id tW1E1a02X04FFSK01W1EdN; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:01:14 +0300 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:01:06 +0300 From: Gennady Kudryashoff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.10.03) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: UFMS of Moscow / Home X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1909196500.20081220210106@tochka.ru> To: "Gary Hartl" In-Reply-To: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> References: <001401c9620b$fcaf9ee0$f60edca0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Yversion: Spamooborona-2.3 X-DCC-STREAM-Metrics: smtp16.mtu.ru 10002; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Snow in my Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gennady Kudryashoff List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:20:21 -0000 Just try to remove old-stoned CGA video adapter. GH> Help, I'm in southern Ontario and I have 20cm of snow on my freebsd GH> 7-release server. GH> GH> IT seems to be causeing some http outages. GH> GH> My FBSD 6-.0 doesn't seem to be affected thou. GH> GH> GH> Any suggestions, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 19:00:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66902106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FBE8FC1D for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:00:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so624379qwb.7 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:00:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=Y6bFoQ3tpNpHNBudMiLq1LJvMlEWYRsv7w6ZmA1jpYQ=; b=TtjyalGNTo73aIyhB7sTaUMgLIi+QSutWUtO3odoeYLEOz+kpkxpUSyQ6sZxufh1/o 2dU9Dh0pRZYfmZLKgAhfghCJBGJEA20Tgr62eXWzYW67zdn1PHcT4RdhUeCYtz0BjOo1 ly35lq/WlfYOtruaUN2D+8n5KrVVSTkVTB89w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=a9v9od4op8jUALiXFteCize9WYg9a48Oh+lbcxj9BiC4rNIEGuD09ELNx/EBoEFWfP 1nbtmP9MC7LX/rDhb0iGRSpzgEildQZmMGeB2RjXAHf/M/zQjqUaVCrtU/22nhnF1i3t q1SVk6zo7cKerPDqTPIETrb/7h3tM0GKahR7c= Received: by 10.214.78.2 with SMTP id a2mr5184003qab.136.1229799623338; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.104? (adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm12367286ywi.34.2008.12.20.11.00.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:00:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494D40C8.2050201@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:00:24 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Laine References: <494CA9E6.6050501@a1poweruser.com> <20081220082940.GA45945@free.bsd.loc> In-Reply-To: <20081220082940.GA45945@free.bsd.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: recover data from damaged msdos fat32 partition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:00:24 -0000 Jeff Laine wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 04:16:38PM +0800, Fbsd1 wrote: > >> I know i can mount fat32 partition using mount_msdos command. But my >> msdos fat32 partition is a bad disk with corrupted fat table. >> >> Question is can i use freebsd to recover data from this msdos fAT32 disk???? >> >> What tools do you suggest to use? >> >> > > I believe it's a job for fsck_msdosfs(8) > > google "foremost" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 19:01:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14541065679 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) Received: from omr9.networksolutionsemail.com (omr9.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FF98FC25 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr9.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.72]) by omr9.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id mBKJ1597030548 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:01:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 10507 invoked by uid 78); 20 Dec 2008 19:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.5.12?) (marteswigg@mgwigglesworth.com@24.125.250.206) by ns-omr9.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 19:01:05 -0000 From: Martes G Wigglesworth To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20081220172702.B9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> <20081220172702.B9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: M.G. Wigglesworth,LLC Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:35:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1229798135.1583.20.camel@MGW_1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3-1.3mdv2008.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: martes@mgwigglesworth.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:01:07 -0000 Thank you very much for the intuitive commentary. Sorry for making the inquiry so specific to Juniper, however, I could not think of another source that would be a good example. I fully understand how the inquiries appeared, however, thanks for answering what you could. The inquiry was meant to be more general, so I apologize for making it seem "Juniper" specific. However, the intuitive list member response strikes again. Thanks alot for you input. I, as you, can't really figure out why they felt, years ago, that they needed to re-invent the wheel. Please give anymore insight if you have it. On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 11:32 -0500, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > I am attempting to research what is meant when, I saw that Juniper had > > re-written the network stack from the base freebsd network stack, to > > what is used in JUNOS. What exactly is meant by this? What is included > > in the network stack, when mentioned that it was completely re-written? > > ask juniper what it means ;) > > anyway - in FreeBSD it's still "original" network stack not juniper one. > > > > > I am a budding computer scientist, and would like to know where to start > > investigating how this would be done, and why they felt that the defacto > > network-centric OS for decades needed to be rewritten? > because they wanted to ;) again - ask juniper about it. > > > Probably because FreeBSD stack does not assume existence of any > routing-dedicated hardware, while for sure in high end routers there are > such things. > > maybe they do mixer software-hardware routing. > > anyway it seems strange i would rather use FreeBSD running computer as > "control plane" for hardware router, that would fill routing tables in > router's chips memory. > > > Was this simply so they could rename the portions that they wrote as > > their own, in a business-savvy decision making process, or was it > > necessary from a technical standpoint? > > ones again - ask juniper! it's wrong place to ask why someone else wanted > something else!!! > > FreeBSD is FREE, and - contrary to GNU communists licence, does not > require to share any code derived from FreeBSD sources. > There is nothing to prevent you to use FreeBSD code (except gnu parts) > modified as you like, hidden or not as you like whereever you like. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 19:05:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A0D106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@schnarff.com) Received: from mho-01-bos.mailhop.org (mho-01-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436858FC1D for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@schnarff.com) Received: from [65.102.233.117] (helo=www.schnarff.com) by mho-01-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LE78N-0001DN-4z for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:05:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 23447 invoked by uid 80); 20 Dec 2008 19:05:27 -0000 Received: from pool-71-163-244-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net (pool-71-163-244-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.163.244.146]) by mail.schnarff.com (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:05:27 -0500 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 65.102.233.117 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1+dMvVOlGrVBwTQwSyB7q7J0Dk1q2hs+TY= Message-ID: <20081220140527.11213uytgeokf6ec@mail.schnarff.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:05:27 -0500 From: Alex Kirk To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3) / FreeBSD-7.0 Cc: Subject: portmanager looping on libtool on 6.2 -> 6.3 upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:05:09 -0000 Hello All, I'm in the process of bringing a production web/mail server up to =20 FreeBSD 7.0 from 6.2. After practicing the process on a non-production =20 box set up in essentially the same manner, I discovered that the only =20 major issue to look out for was the fact that I needed to hold back =20 the upgrade of Python, since the CMS system running on the box will =20 die if it doesn't have Python 2.4 specifically. So last night, I got the actual OS brought from 6.2 -> 6.3, and then =20 looked for a different method of port upgrading than I'd used on the =20 development system, since even specifying ports to exclude via =20 portmanager's "-ip" option didn't seem to work well when going from =20 6.3 -> 7.0. I ran across some articles that told me that I could do =20 ports one at a time, confirming upgrades of dependencies, with a =20 command such as: portmanager editors/emacs -l -ui -f I was able to get some ports, such as bash, upgraded using this =20 method. However, I've now reached a point where virtually everything I =20 try to upgrade is now failing, because it's dependent on libtool, =20 which is stuck in some sort of infinite upgrade loop. Attempting to =20 upgrade it manually via the same command line as above (replacing =20 "editors/emacs" with "devel/libtool15"), I end up with output like this: ok to update/rebuild /devel/libtool15 libtool-1.5.26 (yes/no/auto yes =20 to all) [y/n/a] [y]? y [lots of trimmed-out building activity, followed by two more times =20 asking me if it's OK to update/rebuild libtool] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MGPMrUpdate 0.4.1_9 command: #1 of 14 cd /usr/ports/devel/libtool15 =20 && make -V OPTIONS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ reverting bsd.port.mk patch -=3D>cd /usr/ports/Mk; patch -R < =20 /usr/local/share/portmanager/patch-bsd.port.mk-0.3.6; Hmm... Looks like a unified diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |--- /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk Tue Nov 8 01:02:51 2005 |+++ bsd.port.mk Wed Nov 16 02:16:57 2005 -------------------------- Patching file bsd.port.mk using Plan A... Hunk #1 failed at 2049. 1 out of 1 hunks failed--saving rejects to bsd.port.mk.rej done rCreateInstalledDbVerifyContentsFile 0.4.1_9 error: "@comment ORIGIN:" =20 not found in /var/db/pkg/bsdpan-MIME-tools-5.420/+CONTENTS bsdpan-MIME-tools-5.420 installation is corrupt! recomend running "pkg_delete -f =20 bsdpan-MIME-tools-5.420" then manually reinstalling this port ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Port Status Report "forced mode" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 00001 ----:libtool-1.5.26 /devel/libtool15 =20 MISSING =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D skipping libtool-1.5.26 /devel/libtool15 marked IGNORE reason: =20 looping, 3rd attempt at make ------------------------------------------------------------------------ portmanager 0.4.1_9 INFO: finished with some ports not updated if =20 --log was used see /var/log/portmanager.log ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I've tried simply going into /usr/ports/devel/libtool15 and running =20 "suod make install clean", and I end up with this output: =3D=3D=3D> Installing for libtool-1.5.26 =3D=3D=3D> Generating temporary packing list =3D=3D=3D> Checking if devel/libtool15 already installed =3D=3D=3D> libtool-1.5.26 is already installed You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly. If you really wish to overwrite the old port of devel/libtool15 without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER" in your environment or the "make install" command line. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/libtool15. I'm very nervous about deinstalling it and reinstalling, or doing a =20 forced reinstall, because so much appears to be dependent on libtool, =20 and the last thing I want to do is bork a busy production box so bad =20 that I have to physically go to the data center and hit up the console =20 to fix it (especially since I'm not sure I could get in there over the =20 weekend, and I'm flying out of town for the holidays on Monday morning). Does anyone have any advice on how to get this fixed? The system =20 appears to be fully functional in the meantime, so it's not a huge =20 rush to get things upgraded, but obviously I'd rather progress sooner =20 rather than later. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 19:32:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F306E1065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0159.b.hostedemail.com [64.98.42.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0BB8FC19 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eagletree@hughes.net) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay05.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DC9A4A0997D; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:32:34 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 9e844db1feda4f9d, 944facfeb153b4f0, eagletree@hughes.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org:bsam@ipt.ru, RULES_HIT:355:379:541:564:599:601:945:946:966:967:973:980:988:989:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1535:1544:1593:1594:1605:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2194:2196:2198:2199:2200:2201:2379:2393:2525:2553:2559:2563:2682:2685:2689:2693:2857:2859:2902:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3167:3636:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4250:4321:4362:4385:4605:4860:5007:6114:6117:6119:7652:7679:7903:8501:8568:9010:9025:9388, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none Received: from [192.168.0.3] (dpc6744118153.direcpc.com [67.44.118.153]) (Authenticated sender: eagletree@hughes.net) by omf04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:32:24 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <03393450@ipt.ru> References: <34058EDE-BC14-4DCC-AF3C-100F77DEE486@hughes.net> <03393450@ipt.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0259344B-703E-466E-9925-7B065B54AD7B@hughes.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:32:16 -0800 To: Boris Samorodov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-session-marker: 6561676C6574726565406875676865732E6E6574 Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Questions Subject: Re: Linking libraries for compat_linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:32:36 -0000 On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:46:03 -0800 Chris wrote: > > This question is may be better unswered at emulation@ ML. > Oops, I didn't ever notice that list as I've never needed Linux before. I hate to trouble development lists with an operational issue but this one is starting to look like an incompatibility that is beyond me. The Linux and FreeBSD versions of gamin both fail on inotify_init. Not having the source to the program I'm trying to run makes it very difficult to fix even though the functionality is there (perhaps even superior) on FreeBSD. I ended up using the linux libfam.so.0 from the gamin distribution for Fedora 9. Using it's server fails instantly, using the freebsd port version, the server doesn't fail until the Linux client library attempts to connect. Then it too gets "inotify_init not implemented". The Fam list appears to be defunct and I've not yet tried the direct mail contact to the gamin development page. I'm assuming the answer would be that you use native FreeBSD libfam.so on FreeBSD and the linux version on Linux. I've no way to tell the Intuit daemon to do that because of the ABI error and I presume there is an underlying reason why a native library can't be used by a linux binary. I will try the other list if no one has run into a similar problem with other Linux apps. I may be kicking a dead horse but it seems others have talked about using FreeBSD in this manner and it makes it an interesting challenge. The time I'm investing in this is probably not any more time that it would take to configure and secure an openSUSE or Fedora system (having never bothered with them before). Plus it would mean not adding an additional server into my net just for a trivial SMB/file monitoring application. Thanks for the response. >> I've bumped into a library I can't resolve and I must have a >> disconnect >> in how the linux_compat works because I can't see how it could be >> solved. >> I have the following: >> * compat_linux enabled in the kernel, >> * /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base_fc7 >> * sysctl kern.fallback_elf_brand=3 >> * rpm2cpio to alter rpms >> * cpio to create the directories and place the files where they >> belong in /compat/linux. > >> I have a program that now has all it's libraries resolved but one in >> preparation to attempt to run the Linux Quickbooks install on >> FreeBSD. >> The ldd output, prior to installing /usr/ports/devel/fam (a required >> shared >> library) looks like this. > >> ldd ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord >> ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: >> libfam.so.0 => not found >> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x28072000) >> libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x28088000) >> libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x28171000) >> libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x28198000) >> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x281a4000) >> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x28054000) > >> I install fam to get rid of the not found, perform the following >> link: >> ln /usr/local/lib/libfam.so.0 /compat/linux/lib/libfam.so.0 > >> and then I get this: > >> ldd ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord >> ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: >> ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: error while loading shared libraries: / >> lib/libfam.so.0: ELF file OS ABI invalid >> ./opt/qbes7/util/qbmonitord: exit status 127 > >> which kind of makes sense since this library is not a linux library. >> I'd read >> that I don't need to brandelf -t linux a library but I tried that >> anyway, >> realizing it was likely meaningless (or harmful). It didn't help of >> course. > >> My next thought was to try and get a libfam.so.0 binary from a linux >> distro >> but stopped when it occurred to me that it would be illogical since >> fam uses >> kqueue on FreeBSD rather than something called imon. imon is not >> available >> for FreeBSD so a linux version shouldn't be able to function if it >> expects that. On >> FreeBSD, fam configures itself to not use imon. > >> What is the appropriate course of action to get a linux flavor shared >> library >> for fam (or anything which runs into such conflicts) that will work >> on FreeBSD >> yet be recognized as suitable for linux under the compat mode? > > Try to create and use linux-fam port. I also tried this but it appears that gamin is a more recent implementation. It also provides the libfam.so.0. > > > WBR > -- > bsam > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 19:41:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF681065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F158FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 13355 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 19:41:20 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2008 19:41:20 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA8C50820; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id E2B1E1D051; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:41:15 -0500 (EST) To: martes@mgwigglesworth.com References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:41:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> (Martes G. Wigglesworth's message of "Sat\, 20 Dec 2008 10\:58\:29 -0500") Message-ID: <44iqpezlb8.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:41:59 -0000 Martes G Wigglesworth writes: > I am attempting to research what is meant when, I saw that Juniper had > re-written the network stack from the base freebsd network stack, to > what is used in JUNOS. What exactly is meant by this? What is included > in the network stack, when mentioned that it was completely re-written? > > I am a budding computer scientist, and would like to know where to start > investigating how this would be done, and why they felt that the defacto > network-centric OS for decades needed to be rewritten? > > Was this simply so they could rename the portions that they wrote as > their own, in a business-savvy decision making process, or was it > necessary from a technical standpoint? I work for a different router manufacturer, so I have little knowledge of Juniper internals, but I have had to worry about interoperability issues, so I've worked with Juniper gear for testing. Also, my general knowledge of similar issues on other routers is very likely to apply to the tradeoffs that Juniper made in choosing and developing its stack software. I very much doubt that marketing issues were a significant issue. Off-the-shelf OS networking has always fallen short of supporting high-end (or even, um, medium-end) hardware routing platforms. There is reason to hope that this is changing, but it has always been the case so far. As someone else already mentioned in this thread, supporting hardware offload for forwarding is a major issue. Core routers (or even provider-edge routers) depend on most of the packet forwarding being done in proprietary hardware. Operating system IP stacks don't support this very well; all of the routers I've worked on used the kernel IP stack only for packets going to and from the kernel itself, and used a different stack for what I call "transit" packets -- those that are only being forwarded by the local system. Another issue is router virtualization. Although FreeBSD has made some recent progress in supporting multiple IP instances, none of this capability was available when Juniper was deciding to base its operating system on FreeBSD. It is also important to note that having a rewritten IP stack doesn't mean that a system isn't using the original IP stack as well. A number of routers I've seen do this; they have thoroughly custom IP code for doing routing, but the local OS kernel in the router still uses the native stack for its own communications. I apologize if this message isn't clear; I was avoiding any information specific to the systems I currently work on, and I may have fuzzed things out a bit too much. Be well. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 19:46:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BA3106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD38B8FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 9617 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 19:46:59 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2008 19:46:59 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E12F50820; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 5498E1CCB6; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:46:53 -0500 (EST) To: "Gema niskazhu" References: <84133fac0812170314gc3a8c15vce24229cecfc6eeb@mail.gmail.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:46:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: <84133fac0812170314gc3a8c15vce24229cecfc6eeb@mail.gmail.com> (Gema niskazhu's message of "Wed\, 17 Dec 2008 14\:14\:13 +0300") Message-ID: <44ej02zl1u.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dump and soft-updates question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:46:59 -0000 "Gema niskazhu" writes: > Hi! > > I-ve got a question about dump | restore on soft-updates managed slice. > > When we dump smth on soft updates slice where it actualy(mechanicaly) dump > it? The output of the dump is controlled by a command-line switch (-f). In the absence of the switch, it defaults to $RMT, but that is rarely applicable any more. Soft updates do not affect this. > Because I-ve forgot to turn of soft-updates off on my backup hdd and dump > img on it =) That is not an issue. Dumping a live filesystem is, but having soft upates active on the filesystem does not make things significantly worse than they would have been anyway. > After that i vas quet surprised because it ate 16 Gigs of / but du\df cant > show anything about. Can you be more specific? Where were you dumping to? > what is situated in this 16 Gigs. Is it possible that your dump went to /dev/rmt because you failed to supply an alternative destination? -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 19:53:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732F5106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CF78FC1C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBKJribu010046; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:53:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBKJrhNh010043; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:53:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:53:43 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Martes G Wigglesworth In-Reply-To: <1229798135.1583.20.camel@MGW_1> Message-ID: <20081220205029.F10042@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> <20081220172702.B9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229798135.1583.20.camel@MGW_1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:53:55 -0000 > Thank you very much for the intuitive commentary. > > Sorry for making the inquiry so specific to Juniper, however, I could > not think of another source that would be a good example. I fully > understand how the inquiries appeared, however, thanks for answering > what you could. can't you simply ask some juniper employee? anyway - from where did you got that info about network stack being rewritten? > > I, as you, can't really figure out why they felt, years ago, that they > needed to re-invent the wheel. once again - first ask WHAT EXACTLY FreeBSD is doing in their router? a) just preparing tables for router chips? - then FreeBSD's network stack is OK b) actually performing part of routing activity cooperating with ASIC's? if so - rewriting/modifying network stack was needed for sure. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 19:55:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DD61065676 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:55:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E208FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBKJtgnp010063; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:55:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBKJtg0f010060; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:55:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:55:42 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Lowell Gilbert In-Reply-To: <44iqpezlb8.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Message-ID: <20081220205414.A10042@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> <44iqpezlb8.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: martes@mgwigglesworth.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:55:54 -0000 > I very much doubt that marketing issues were a significant issue. > Off-the-shelf OS networking has always fallen short of supporting it wasn't made for that. > As someone else already mentioned in this thread, supporting hardware > offload for forwarding is a major issue. Core routers (or even > provider-edge routers) depend on most of the packet forwarding being > done in proprietary hardware. Operating system IP stacks don't support > this very well; all of the routers I've worked on used the kernel IP > stack only for packets going to and from the kernel itself, and used a > different stack for what I call "transit" packets -- those that are > only being forwarded by the local system. as higher speed routers are "hardware" - why OS has to do ANY work on routing? it's just there to prepare routing tables in format required for routing ASIC's and put them there! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 20:32:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01EA106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:32:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9DB8FC1A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:32:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBKKX931009217 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:33:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:32:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:32:37 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20081220203233.GA70769@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: porting problem.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:32:42 -0000 Guys, thanks to an unnamed firm studio I've got a database of some nature that isn't supposed to be given away. It worked fine until version 5 or 6. I couldn't figure it out and quit using it favor of other free or [ick] web services--- the web stuff delayed me for up to minutes. My local copy was immediate and i could get on with my writing. I thought it might be that the offset into the database had changed. But now i don't think so. i just changed this ancient, pre 90's, def from off_t to long. same problem. Here is my printout from minutes ago. it's the same as when this failed several years ago. Why I'm using this as a database rather than some public is that the way my syllabic database program is written, it depends on THIS (copuright) database. // error output: /usr/local/src/ :cwfoobarwebster/src findWord(FILE *f =(05005707040), char *word = [look]) ./def can't find 'look' offt = (-1) whether out off_t or long/int, I'm still reaching FAR, FAR into the FILE *f quite far. I never dug into the code until a few years ago when it broke on recompile. it's ugly, ugly, *Ugly* code, probably hacked in a day. You wouldn't believe ... if anybody is out there who thinks he can help and has time, let's take this off-list. i don't want the CIA/NSAFBI/B*sh to have me extraordinarily renditioned...... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 20:39:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C034D1065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:39:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD1C8FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:39:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from anne-o1dpaayth1.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10290 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:39:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200812202039.NAA10290@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:39:23 -0700 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Status of hyperthreading in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:39:29 -0000 "Netbooks" based on Intel's "Atom" microprocessor are turning into big hits this Christmas season. The Atom, a super-low-power x86 processor, is an "in-order" machine, which means that except for a few special cases it can spend a lot of time waiting for data to arrive when it encounters a cache miss. So, hyperthreading may make sense on this kind of processor as compared to one with out-of-order execution. Which raises a question: What's the status of FreeBSD's support for hyperthreading? As far as I know, after it was revealed that some processes on a machine with hyperthreading could "spy" on others, and also that hyperthreading didn't always improve performance on high end processors, the feature was turned off by default. But on single-user machines, or on servers where the CPU was likely to be shared by two processes that were both privileged anyway, it might make sense to re-enable it. But has this feature of the scheduler been maintained well enough for this to be a good idea? If not, would it worth looking into updating it so that FreeBSD runs well on the Atom? --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 20:53:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE30D1065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:53:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f19.google.com (mail-gx0-f19.google.com [209.85.217.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EB88FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:53:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.copeland@gmail.com) Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so749849gxk.19 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:53:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MyURDqcqCcgXkM29rwU9IS/5C7NlUdbXNnC/h57E7no=; b=q2xfKLR0FbCMOvf+BtDY3jFGOCCWHIfLLNlOZy1T6LSsecMyY0bfntrxXEr8HkL6vZ jrkdJ9m+gEsoI4Y56MCZir/fB5KIKFhb4SKgSqwEIPX/kzySV0XjL2YM75RKes+4groD iuiwFDh2n7i8grBVs1/cKPVXNgx1EqFUfAyfs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xMHL5mlkyxNt7yy57P9J5Ep7dTEbeVRk36XMCVVnYG098rBjFMVSTjaYMFfX0hXrWE oYhT4uuSnhA9FJpf15lRzVgnMLbSztvlgeuXuV/jhHb1ZgPhBbspIyVkiUlEsHlbwVBs 946mL3ewpRGxhaQwnPQWA42vPgDzJBi/3yhco= Received: by 10.150.96.10 with SMTP id t10mr8350459ybb.115.1229806389744; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?70.10.106.249? ([70.10.106.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t26sm6520035ele.17.2008.12.20.12.53.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:53:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494D5B32.50806@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:53:06 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass References: <200812202039.NAA10290@lariat.net> In-Reply-To: <200812202039.NAA10290@lariat.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of hyperthreading in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:53:10 -0000 Brett Glass wrote: > "Netbooks" based on Intel's "Atom" microprocessor are turning into big > hits this Christmas season. The Atom, a super-low-power x86 processor, > is an "in-order" machine, which means that except for a few special > cases it can spend a lot of time waiting for data to arrive when it > encounters a cache miss. So, hyperthreading may make sense on this > kind of processor as compared to one with out-of-order execution. > > Which raises a question: What's the status of FreeBSD's support for > hyperthreading? As far as I know, after it was revealed that some > processes on a machine with hyperthreading could "spy" on others, and > also that hyperthreading didn't always improve performance on high end > processors, the feature was turned off by default. But on single-user > machines, or on servers where the CPU was likely to be shared by two > processes that were both privileged anyway, it might make sense to > re-enable it. But has this feature of the scheduler been maintained > well enough for this to be a good idea? If not, would it worth looking > into updating it so that FreeBSD runs well on the Atom? > > --Brett Glass > as far as i know, just enabling smp will allow ht to function. also, i don't know if intel changed ht in the new atom processor, they could have. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 21:37:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAADA1065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:37:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAD88FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:37:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 2544 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 21:37:02 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2008 21:37:01 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4170350820 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 821531D034; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:36:56 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> <44iqpezlb8.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20081220205414.A10042@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:36:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20081220205414.A10042@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Sat\, 20 Dec 2008 20\:55\:42 +0100 \(CET\)") Message-ID: <448wqazfyf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:37:12 -0000 Wojciech Puchar writes: >> I very much doubt that marketing issues were a significant issue. >> Off-the-shelf OS networking has always fallen short of supporting > > it wasn't made for that. It can be. I've written portable IP stacks intended for exactly this purpose. The routing tables are generally set up in userspace regardless, so it's not a big problem to send the same data to multiple stacks where each stack is supporting a different application. >> As someone else already mentioned in this thread, supporting hardware >> offload for forwarding is a major issue. Core routers (or even >> provider-edge routers) depend on most of the packet forwarding being >> done in proprietary hardware. Operating system IP stacks don't support >> this very well; all of the routers I've worked on used the kernel IP >> stack only for packets going to and from the kernel itself, and used a >> different stack for what I call "transit" packets -- those that are >> only being forwarded by the local system. > > as higher speed routers are "hardware" - why OS has to do ANY work on > routing? > > it's just there to prepare routing tables in format required for > routing ASIC's and put them there! Mostly, yes. But the system still has to be network manageable. That requires that it send and receive packets. Doing so requires using the same routing information that the forwarding engines are using to forward packets in the same address space. The kernel *does* still need to know routes to any of its destinations. Another possible implementation is, as you say, to have the kernel send everything out the same way and not know anything about the forwarding tables. This does, as the original poster said, imply that you're throwing out the capabilities of a stack that you built into your system from the ground up. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 21:40:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CE51065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B567F8FC1A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:40:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBKLdtSe010306; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:39:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBKLdt8t010303; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:39:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:39:54 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <200812202039.NAA10290@lariat.net> Message-ID: <20081220223928.N10302@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <200812202039.NAA10290@lariat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of hyperthreading in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:40:19 -0000 > "Netbooks" based on Intel's "Atom" microprocessor are turning into big hits > this Christmas season. The Atom, a super-low-power x86 processor, is an > "in-order" machine, which means that except for a few special cases it can > spend a lot of time waiting for data to arrive when it encounters a cache > miss. So, hyperthreading may make sense on this kind of processor as compared > to one with out-of-order execution. > > Which raises a question: What's the status of FreeBSD's support for > hyperthreading? for FreeBSD it's just like 2 processors. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 21:41:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0BB1065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:41:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586F48FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBKLfDhi010313; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:41:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id mBKLfDmC010310; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:41:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:41:13 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Lowell Gilbert In-Reply-To: <448wqazfyf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Message-ID: <20081220224016.S10302@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> <44iqpezlb8.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20081220205414.A10042@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <448wqazfyf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:41:54 -0000 >>> I very much doubt that marketing issues were a significant issue. >>> Off-the-shelf OS networking has always fallen short of supporting >> >> it wasn't made for that. > > It can be. I've written portable IP stacks intended for exactly this Of course it can. i just write that FreeBSD network stack WASN'T MADE for that. not if it can or not. >> routing ASIC's and put them there! > > Mostly, yes. But the system still has to be network manageable. That > requires that it send and receive packets. Doing so requires using the > same routing information that the forwarding engines are using to > forward packets in the same address space. The kernel *does* still need > to know routes to any of its destinations. but kernel doesn't forward much packets. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 22:20:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BD41065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:20:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD738FC08 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so1934685ewy.19 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:20:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Zr+BRSJgBJHieZgxAlNEuDiT7ORCvp4DIMRQRDgtlA=; b=oV5I9de6kvRO3t2H0xsrcCRHSzPRTpk2QwzNpQrrCSARJUENeXoxbHS1y0HjBpU3t8 XYcNHjeUhlUnHURDyHJfuGCfpaW/lFDlcEmXoKjsiE/oWJjPoN5BVcQ+/+dTgUjxIhjP 5/Unoya+bHsFbRclb4vKiKJkW3U4awBRAACWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FHx5XhJoW3B1LOPeKvshutii6a/pdeqYZXtIfotE5PPfYW0Q5P0f0ok0szABaR+Oq2 iOoUOCndC7U/qrT5Gw8GtvHSMHEg+NSNQ75GjXmSsMjhQJn0q4yAFndU4D2aA3LY5UfY /GahDSgfU+rNqgSqk7EnpUAj0YRs+ZflNKtws= Received: by 10.210.79.9 with SMTP id c9mr5526554ebb.155.1229811647536; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b33sm23179550ika.17.2008.12.20.14.20.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:20:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:20:43 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081220222043.5b336ec0@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <1229798135.1583.20.camel@MGW_1> References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> <20081220172702.B9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229798135.1583.20.camel@MGW_1> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: martes@mgwigglesworth.com Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:20:49 -0000 On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:35:35 -0500 Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: > However, the intuitive list member response strikes again. > > Thanks alot for you input. > > I, as you, can't really figure out why they felt, years ago, that they > needed to re-invent the wheel. Bear in mind that such companies may have a range of products, that range from something not unlike a pc with lots of interfaces up to something with multiple levels of embedded processors each running their own OSes. In the latter case you need a network stack that's largely OS independent, so it can spread itself across the (non-symmetric) processors. You may also need to be able to separate fast-path, slow-path and control path for high performance. Once you have done all that, you've left the native OS stacks unused, leaving them available for the user interface or in some cases communication between sub-systems. This separation is good on security grounds too, it's preferable not to have network management "in-band". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 22:32:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829871065670 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:32:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) Received: from omr16.networksolutionsemail.com (omr16.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413588FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:32:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr16.mgt.hosting.dc2.netsol.com [10.49.6.79]) by omr16.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id mBKMWn2H010812 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:32:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 30408 invoked by uid 78); 20 Dec 2008 22:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.5.12?) (marteswigg@mgwigglesworth.com@68.57.94.93) by 10.49.36.79 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 22:32:49 -0000 From: Martes G Wigglesworth To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20081220205029.F10042@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> <20081220172702.B9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229798135.1583.20.camel@MGW_1> <20081220205029.F10042@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: M.G. Wigglesworth,LLC Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:32:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1229812373.1583.32.camel@MGW_1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3-1.3mdv2008.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: martes@mgwigglesworth.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:32:50 -0000 A year, or two, ago, I found such information buried within the Juniper website; however, upon recent attempts at further investigation, both for learning about certifications, and subject matter for this topic, I am unable to locate said information. The "historic Juniper" blurbs were very informative. I am sure that the information is still available, however, I have not been successful in locating it. As for the suggested avenues of investigation, I have not had any coding or employment experience at that level of router development so I don't have the level of specific knowledge-base to make such an inquiry about said reference tables. I also do not have $10-$20K or more to purchase a Juniper router box, so there would not much real motivation to answer my inquiries if I were to be able to get into contact with a sales rep with enough knowledge of the system code to have information to give me. I am very much making an initial inquiry in attempting to get that level of experience, hence my inquiry to the list. I am simply trying to make my own inquiries about the general case, so as to gain knowledge of what routes to take to gain said coding/development experience via experimentation, etc... (Please excuse the pun.) Thanks for the input, though. On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 20:53 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Thank you very much for the intuitive commentary. > > > > Sorry for making the inquiry so specific to Juniper, however, I could > > not think of another source that would be a good example. I fully > > understand how the inquiries appeared, however, thanks for answering > > what you could. > can't you simply ask some juniper employee? anyway - from where did you > got that info about network stack being rewritten? > > > > > I, as you, can't really figure out why they felt, years ago, that they > > needed to re-invent the wheel. > > once again - first ask WHAT EXACTLY FreeBSD is doing in their router? > > a) just preparing tables for router chips? - then FreeBSD's network stack > is OK > b) actually performing part of routing activity cooperating with ASIC's? > if so - rewriting/modifying network stack was needed for sure. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 22:40:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BA51065674 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) Received: from omr2.networksolutionsemail.com (omr2.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D4F8FC18 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr2.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.65]) by omr2.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id mBKMerB3010941 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:40:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 684 invoked by uid 78); 20 Dec 2008 22:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.5.12?) (marteswigg@mgwigglesworth.com@68.57.94.93) by ns-omr2.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 22:40:53 -0000 From: Martes G Wigglesworth To: RW In-Reply-To: <20081220222043.5b336ec0@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> <20081220172702.B9566@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229798135.1583.20.camel@MGW_1> <20081220222043.5b336ec0@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: M.G. Wigglesworth,LLC Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:40:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1229812858.1583.37.camel@MGW_1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3-1.3mdv2008.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: martes@mgwigglesworth.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:40:55 -0000 Thanks again for further information on this topic. Where can I find more information this as a research topic. I am talking about Academic/PHD-level information or industry-level information. (I mean that I am looking at this from a knowledge-base expansion point of view, so don't filter out possible academic avenues because that is where I am mostly coming from in the first place.) Is this the realm where I would have to be one of those six-figure-income embedded programmers to really get my teeth into the subject, or what??? It is OK, you can be honest, hehehe... Thanks again for all the informative comments, list... On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 22:20 +0000, RW wrote: > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:35:35 -0500 > Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: > > > > However, the intuitive list member response strikes again. > > > > Thanks alot for you input. > > > > I, as you, can't really figure out why they felt, years ago, that they > > needed to re-invent the wheel. > > > Bear in mind that such companies may have a range of products, that > range from something not unlike a pc with lots of interfaces up to > something with multiple levels of embedded processors each running their > own OSes. In the latter case you need a network stack that's > largely OS independent, so it can spread itself across the > (non-symmetric) processors. You may also need to be able to separate > fast-path, slow-path and control path for high performance. > > Once you have done all that, you've left the native OS stacks unused, > leaving them available for the user interface or in some cases > communication between sub-systems. This separation is good on security > grounds too, it's preferable not to have network management "in-band". > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 22:54:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A1F1065673 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:54:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189B98FC0C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:54:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 25607 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 22:54:29 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2008 22:54:29 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C3450820 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 268A91CD4D; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:54:24 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1229788709.1583.16.camel@MGW_1> <44iqpezlb8.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20081220205414.A10042@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <448wqazfyf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20081220224016.S10302@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:54:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20081220224016.S10302@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Sat\, 20 Dec 2008 22\:41\:13 +0100 \(CET\)") Message-ID: <441vw2zcdb.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Network Stack Code Re-write (Possible motivations...?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:54:30 -0000 Wojciech Puchar writes: >>>> I very much doubt that marketing issues were a significant issue. >>>> Off-the-shelf OS networking has always fallen short of supporting >>> >>> it wasn't made for that. >> >> It can be. I've written portable IP stacks intended for exactly this > Of course it can. i just write that FreeBSD network stack WASN'T MADE > for that. > not if it can or not. I had deliberately worked around this topic because FreeBSD's routing table implementation has made considerable strides in virtualization lately (for which, as far as I know, the credit is almost entirely due to Julian Elischer), and this will probably turn out to make it more useful for commercial routers. So far, however, these changes are irrelevant to the historical question of Juniper's use of FreeBSD code. >>> routing ASIC's and put them there! >> >> Mostly, yes. But the system still has to be network manageable. That >> requires that it send and receive packets. Doing so requires using the >> same routing information that the forwarding engines are using to >> forward packets in the same address space. The kernel *does* still need >> to know routes to any of its destinations. > > but kernel doesn't forward much packets. It may not not forward any, but your statement that all it does with IP is put data into ASICs is still generally incorrect. It generally does *send* and *receive* packets, and as such it needs routing information. It is possible to use a FreeBSD kernel without the IP stack (and this has been done on particularly deeply embedded processors). However, commercial routers generally do not use their OS kernel this way -- it is far more common that the kernel does send and receive packets within its native IP stack. That forwarding data is usually coordinated with the entity managing the routing data, although sometimes the management is done completely out-of-band, in which case the kernel's forwarding data need not have any connection with the data driven into the forwarding hardware. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 23:07:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF5D1065686 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlists08@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f19.google.com (mail-bw0-f19.google.com [209.85.218.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552038FC22 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlists08@gmail.com) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so4328418bwz.19 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:07:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:cc :references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=NyMbBQPLLv0oe7MFerJKAd9yfsKBzyu40nh+NgEbjzc=; b=GS2jssbqEA6NE77Kc0A+Z+6+i/MFF0U475cYooJYsjGvBw//NeiOR/NqWyTVndMuHt 1QyVOIbjDlJWVaTOKVKx1OKAlVIVqhalIn+CC5j6HSagcQje046IAG1pgdue/86RWKUE btluRVuFHil6C5a/BZxCgUgt2sUT8nh6t+nMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=t7GqkpmDy25JMSveeTjb2ZrIhNTTuALoKDOBNR261B6wRtp9Y22Uab6dyjXEsECHxN 2pw13vqzf7U8iXGHStfpKMwgAEQ/RZ8PQ4rIPf0B/63WbD6WsyVkHGkVQdF7BctztHo3 SSx97Mw3PSGtY6jIF8xGl1wMpwdOkMzWk1O7A= Received: by 10.181.159.11 with SMTP id l11mr1644760bko.186.1229813029423; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from midnight ([87.120.162.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9sm7152276fkb.14.2008.12.20.14.43.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:43:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c962f4$5308d5c0$146ea8c0@midnight> From: "oklahoma" To: "David A. Rogers" References: <8f7da5f40812201123t19c6cabj2d11b62345a27db8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:43:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: handbook suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:07:29 -0000 > First, let me say that I find FreeBSD to be the best of all the free > Unices > -- and it is due to the excellent and practical documentation. > > That said, there is an easy way to make FreeBSD easier for the home user. > There are a number of suggestions/methods of doing things in the handbook > that are appropriate for the business user that are not needed or useful > for > the home user. > > As an example, both the usb drive and scanner sections give instructions > for > allowing others besides root to mount/use the respective hardware. Both > suggestions give advice that restrict the enabling to just one group. For > home use it would be easier to just allow any user to mount/use hardware. > > A sidebar or some such giving alternatives for personal/home users would > be > nice. > > Thanks, > --dr IMHO FreeBSD documentation lack a section in wich are described case studies and recommendations for particular problems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 23:21:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5A0106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=pauls=2337519ae@utdallas.edu) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6BC8FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=pauls=2337519ae@utdallas.edu) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,255,1228111200"; d="scan'208";a="4399995" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 20 Dec 2008 16:52:27 -0600 Received: from [192.168.2.102] (cpe-66-25-23-135.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.23.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3CA758585; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:52:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:52:21 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <22AC6248210F377B6C802CED@Macintosh-2.local> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========866C85BF041C578F2739==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Richard Yang Subject: Re: nessus report X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:21:15 -0000 --==========866C85BF041C578F2739========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On December 19, 2008 11:32:51 PM -0600 Richard Yang=20 wrote: > > hi, > when i ran nessus against my bsd box, nessus can detect "the remote host > is > up". > i don't understand how nessus can detect it... > does anyone know how it is done? > thanx > There are several ways to detect if a host is up. Responses to icmp=20 packets is one. Almost all hosts will respond to pings unless they're=20 prevented by a firewall. Another way is the type of response to a probe of a port. Sometimes=20 services will respond differently if they're firewalled than if they're=20 not listening on a particular port. Also, very few computers have no=20 ports at all listening. For example, most unix boxes will be running=20 syslogd and listening on port udp/514. That is the default for that=20 daemon. Unless you reconfigured syslogd to listen on localhost only, it=20 will respond to probes. Sometimes a host will respond to a problem with RSETs. It's very, very=20 hard to configure a box in such a way that it's impossible to detect that=20 it's up and running. Run sockstat and look at what's listening on your computer. Then see if=20 you can figure out how to get it to stop listening on those ports. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========866C85BF041C578F2739==========-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 23:54:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B5A106564A for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:54:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivan@careytech.com.au) Received: from ipmail05.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB158FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:53:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivan@careytech.com.au) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArkBAKpoTEmWZZrV/2dsb2JhbAAIjw+scliQeoME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,255,1228051800"; d="scan'208";a="279878099" Received: from ppp154-213.static.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.1.2]) ([150.101.154.213]) by ipmail05.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 21 Dec 2008 10:08:43 +1030 Message-ID: <494D8202.3080506@careytech.com.au> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:38:42 +1100 From: Ivan Carey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Gigabyte Motherboard Bios Setup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ivan@careytech.com.au List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:54:00 -0000 Hello, I have a Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3P motherboard. I am having troubles installing and running FreeBSD. 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(bx.dantesk.net [82.66.28.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm11187592fkx.22.2008.12.20.15.58.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:58:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <494D86A5.4010404@free.fr> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:58:29 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081127) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Voras References: <494CDAA2.8040700@free.fr> <494D1CE6.7020201@free.fr> <494D1F9D.8050506@free.fr> <9bbcef730812200940md79629yea7d3a7b39c88ab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9bbcef730812200940md79629yea7d3a7b39c88ab@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Franck Royer Cc: Franck Royer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: geom lvm class - glvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:58:34 -0000 Ivan Voras a écrit : > 2008/12/20 Franck Royer : > >> Apparently, the option is only available on freebsd-8.0. >> > > /boot/kernel/geom_linux_lvm.ko is present in 7-STABLE. > Sorry, but it's not the case on my freebsd. my uname -a : FreeBSD methrilla-test.home 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Fri Dec 12 21:54:37 GMT 2008 root@methrilla-test.home:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ZFS i386 How did you do that ? > >> I will check If I can compile a Freebsd-8.0 kernel on a freebsd-7.0 just >> for getting the files from my lvm and then going back on a stable kernel. >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >