From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 03:28:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F951065673 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 03:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EBA8FC0A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 03:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (ppp-71-139-35-171.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [71.139.35.171]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4O3SBuB052861 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 20:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 20:28:08 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090419) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 03:28:13 -0000 Look below: load over 7 and no processes take much CPU. Yuri 7.2-PRERELEASE, 32-bit on i7-920. ------------------------------------------------------------ last pid: 93192; load averages: 7.68, 6.27, 4.61 up 2+03:11:29 20:25:24 204 processes: 9 running, 193 sleeping, 1 stopped, 1 zombie CPU: 5.3% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 94.7% idle Mem: 867M Active, 1684M Inact, 279M Wired, 65M Cache, 112M Buf, 92M Free Swap: 16G Total, 142M Used, 16G Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 60032 yuri 1 46 0 285M 183M select 0 41:15 0.59% Xorg 60400 yuri 1 4 0 12576K 9144K kqread 4 29:44 0.00% wineserver 92982 yuri 1 44 0 53012K 16800K CPU3 3 18:50 0.00% kdeinit4 92986 yuri 1 44 0 53012K 16800K CPU7 7 18:48 0.00% kdeinit4 92988 yuri 1 107 0 53012K 16840K CPU6 6 17:22 0.00% kdeinit4 60104 yuri 1 44 0 132M 45860K select 0 16:58 0.00% kwin 92984 yuri 1 117 0 53012K 16800K RUN 5 14:56 0.00% kdeinit4 60096 yuri 1 44 0 89732K 30040K select 4 10:10 0.00% kded4 93141 yuri 1 53 0 53012K 16800K CPU5 5 3:52 0.00% kdeinit4 93139 yuri 1 44 0 53012K 16800K CPU1 1 3:30 0.00% kdeinit4 60174 yuri 1 44 0 3168K 1400K select 0 1:28 0.00% ksysguardd 450 root 1 4 0 3128K 800K select 4 0:44 0.00% dhclient 1131 messagebus 1 4 0 3344K 1384K select 4 0:40 0.00% dbus-daemon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 03:29:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543E61065670 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 03:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362478FC1D for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 03:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.174.3]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 23 May 2009 20:28:58 -0700 Message-ID: <4A18BF00.4010200@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:29:04 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20090521215221.GA98253@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <87pre1nvl9.fsf@tabernacle.lan> <3c1674c90905221246x6323cd25w99664334c6a6a2c4@mail.gmail.com> <20090523145907.cf08d654.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090523145907.cf08d654.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2009 03:28:58.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6638E80:01C9DC1F] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: Ronny Mandal , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win4BSD 1.1 on 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 03:29:20 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 22 May 2009 23:53:09 +0200 (CEST), Ronny Mandal wrote: >> I'm experiencing problems when attempting to install Win4BSD 1.1. I've >> downloaded the most recent .tbz of W4B, it installs but fails while >> building kqemu. > > You downloaded sources manually? Why not use the ports system, or > even install from a precompiled package? This would install any > needed dependencies (kqemu) as well. The ports collection contains > version 1.1. > >>From the port: > > # cd /usr/ports/emulators/win4bsd > # make install clean > >>From the package: > > pkg_add -r win4bsd > > It will install run dependencies as well. > > > >> Here is the error-msg: >> >> kqemu-freebsd.c: In function 'kqemu_schedule': >> kqemu-freebsd.c:211: error: 'sched_lock' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> kqemu-freebsd.c:211: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only >> once > > I'm not sure, but are you trying to compile Linux sources on > a FreeBSD system? > > > >> All sources are installed. Suggestions are very welcome and will be >> appreciated! > > Try the port, if you want to compile it yourself, or try pkg_add. > I have to admit that I haven't tried it, so it's a "dry advice". :-) > > > There is no package for win4bsd on the pkg ftp servers for releases 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, or 8.0. Looks like the release build team has been missed this one for some time now. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 03:49:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5671F106566C for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 03:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389E48FC1E for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 03:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.174.3]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 23 May 2009 20:49:17 -0700 Message-ID: <4A18C3C3.1020206@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:49:23 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20090521215221.GA98253@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <87pre1nvl9.fsf@tabernacle.lan> <3c1674c90905221246x6323cd25w99664334c6a6a2c4@mail.gmail.com> <20090523145907.cf08d654.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090523145907.cf08d654.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2009 03:49:17.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CC27C00:01C9DC22] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: Ronny Mandal , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win4BSD 1.1 on 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 03:49:32 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 22 May 2009 23:53:09 +0200 (CEST), Ronny Mandal wrote: >> I'm experiencing problems when attempting to install Win4BSD 1.1. I've >> downloaded the most recent .tbz of W4B, it installs but fails while >> building kqemu. > > You downloaded sources manually? Why not use the ports system, or > even install from a precompiled package? This would install any > needed dependencies (kqemu) as well. The ports collection contains > version 1.1. > >>From the port: > > # cd /usr/ports/emulators/win4bsd > # make install clean > >>From the package: > > pkg_add -r win4bsd > > It will install run dependencies as well. > > > >> Here is the error-msg: >> >> kqemu-freebsd.c: In function 'kqemu_schedule': >> kqemu-freebsd.c:211: error: 'sched_lock' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> kqemu-freebsd.c:211: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only >> once > > I'm not sure, but are you trying to compile Linux sources on > a FreeBSD system? > > > >> All sources are installed. Suggestions are very welcome and will be >> appreciated! > > Try the port, if you want to compile it yourself, or try pkg_add. > I have to admit that I haven't tried it, so it's a "dry advice". :-) > > > The port build of win4bsd will not build on 7.2 because you have first to rebuild the freebsd kernel with option SCHED_4BSD. win4bsd-1.1_3 requires the traditional 4bsd scheduler. Good possibility this is also true for 7.0, 7.1 and 8.0 Gave up on testing win4bsd because of performance impact on server from using traditional 4bsd scheduler. OMHO this port needs to be updated to function using the new scheduler. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 04:17:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D041065673 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from catch.all@marketmentat.com) Received: from mars.hostupon.com (mars.hostupon.com [67.228.194.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E0D8FC1A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 04:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from catch.all@marketmentat.com) Received: from [58.165.2.20] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mars.hostupon.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M84fV-0008Oq-Ie for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 22:46:52 -0500 From: GT To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:46:35 +1000 Message-Id: <1243136795.29198.42.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mars.hostupon.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marketmentat.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Crontab for different ime zones X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sarah.Varney@marketmentat.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 04:17:39 -0000 Late entry to this thread, but... I thought I had found an answer to this; at present I think I might have been mistaken. My crontab has about a dozen jobs that need to run in TZ=America/New_York, and another dozen that ideally want TZ=Australia/Sydney... the server default is America/Chicago. Given that the DST wobble for Australia/Sydney is not the same as for America/New_York (and given that I am lazy) I wanted ONE crontab that would serve year-round, rather than FOUR crontabs that had to be swapped in and out all the time (even if that could be done by a cron job). I thought I had found a solution - simply insert a line TZ=America/New_York before the US jobs, and TZ=Australia/Sydney before the Australian ones. A final statement to return TZ to sever default would be optional. I checked that TZ changes worked, by adding a cron job (for testing purposes) under each TZ declaration, of the form TZ=America/New_York * * * * * date >> /home/mysite/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 and TZ=Australia/Sydney * * * * * date >> /home/mysite/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 Sure enough, every minute, cron would dutifully change TZ to NY and change again to Sydney. There would be two datestamps in log.txt - one would show current US/NY time, one would show current Australia/Sydney time. Oddly they would appear in REVERSE order in the output file (Sydney first, then NY). PROBLEM: If I run a very simple PHP script after each TZ declaration - for example, one that writes date("Y-m-d H:i e") to the same log file - the PHP script returns the server default timestamp (US/Chicago). So the script does not 'see' the TZ (that is not a problem since my work scripts don't have any internal time dependencies - the only time dependency is the START time). Also, if I time the script as if cron is actually 'seeing' Sydney time, the scripts don't execute as expected. Example: it is currently 1:45 pm Sydney time. If I change TZ=Australia/Sydney * * * * * date >> /home/mysite/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 to TZ=Australia/Sydney * 13 * * * date >> /home/mysite/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 cron will NOT run the script... I bet it will wait until 13:00 CHICAGO time. I have a feeling that I am missing something relatively simple - at which point my dream of a super-cron will be realised and the stupidity of DST can be ignored (as it ought to be... ). I also bet that someone else has worked this out already, somewhere in the internets tubes... but i have been unable to find it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 05:10:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509951065679 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 05:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gustavodn@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086168FC24 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 05:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gustavodn@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so3897359qyk.3 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 22:10:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8YT3mRz0gd/EZYF1JPaMITMttD8aw3sRhpb+lESz2Cc=; b=AghzFUw4d4kffCfTc/M1lS2ouNx3B05MbZrGRi11eiMnUANaHB82N8KuTeLVhP4GfC 2buzrLVuU5FqW70T7V4pIiUGp67842q8Ww90T9XQTTVCbprMLhwF7Rv9IK20mrcjR0PL 43Jgg6gpXump8BxJFvmNDRZ0QNDMDaaGxj97U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fg7RjzvI4AoDg1Ojq8ap+9tiBXlXQFigZFIen/1HTTCWI1JPsSdqSezozmVSafEpiX /5G+EWcm3Mf3M6roLGJetGJqUIwQIyi8yN1OCwiITWlZDhQLDREd0zQydULZHYtrsfjg yZvH0yHJwnMzBU/EUNf+AWybqnjqPo7ew99fw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.92.14 with SMTP id p14mr4910462vcm.92.1243140512236; Sat, 23 May 2009 21:48:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1243136795.29198.42.camel@ubuntu> References: <1243136795.29198.42.camel@ubuntu> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 01:48:31 -0300 Message-ID: <50af0a260905232148qf11e533q4c0143d6bcc044c0@mail.gmail.com> From: Gustavo De Nardin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Sarah.Varney@marketmentat.com Subject: Re: Crontab for different ime zones X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 05:10:38 -0000 2009/5/24 GT : > Late entry to this thread, but... > > I thought I had found an answer to this; at present I think I might have > been mistaken. > > My crontab has about a dozen jobs that need to run in > TZ=3DAmerica/New_York, and another dozen that ideally want > TZ=3DAustralia/Sydney... the server default is America/Chicago. [snip] > =C2=A0 =C2=A0TZ=3DAustralia/Sydney > =C2=A0 =C2=A0* 13 * * * date >> /home/mysite/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 > > cron will NOT run the script... I bet it will wait until 13:00 CHICAGO > time. > > I have a feeling that I am missing something relatively simple - at > which point my dream of a super-cron will be realised and the stupidity > of DST can be ignored (as it ought to be... ). I also bet that someone > else has worked this out already, somewhere in the internets tubes... > but i have been unable to find it. I don't think the regular cron works like that. Check out ports/sysutils/fcron (man 5 fcrontab .. OPTIONS .. timezone ..). --=20 (nil) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 05:41:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1881065673 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 05:41:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92CE8FC1A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 05:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1430144qwe.7 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 22:41:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=SFndRg3/tEXqQxuI9lCTmKy1sf16jhAkbqBtaHYIPJ4=; b=M7ZpTBOUPjU1/0hnQSXB/PKRJiVb4rI0hXnS8Lrn8jrqHtY0lNqGVXvnh20w4hTV1V V+xbwpqz03kAWgLXBoQXEB1fE0jxDC9hjmAuiM7F2dafghJuQP16RrqHGPVqZuDjmsnI M8cKZJ9+GSb12tubEqoXf0Y9MIJP//ZiHv4Gs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=qtALxbZF8fQLytPsaA/++MiaVSTVdaxzq7lz37XQeUW0m7io5svz9oSIWEuQBP5AV8 wnQEcg0rPLef+9AG+ha82U7UZWqqYY1FdZIj3CeEU2FlteFUTNdPLfSEQecfd6z4MA7J 3VofrM8f2TFDCi+hAm6TE3xZ/0cYPe92bSn78= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.97.210 with SMTP id m18mr4921556vcn.50.1243143696267; Sat, 23 May 2009 22:41:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1243136795.29198.42.camel@ubuntu> References: <1243136795.29198.42.camel@ubuntu> From: Tim Judd Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 23:41:16 -0600 Message-ID: To: Sarah.Varney@marketmentat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crontab for different ime zones X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 05:41:37 -0000 On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:46 PM, GT wrote: > Late entry to this thread, but... > > I thought I had found an answer to this; at present I think I might have > been mistaken. > > My crontab has about a dozen jobs that need to run in > TZ=America/New_York, and another dozen that ideally want > TZ=Australia/Sydney... the server default is America/Chicago. > > Given that the DST wobble for Australia/Sydney is not the same as for > America/New_York (and given that I am lazy) I wanted ONE crontab that > would serve year-round, rather than FOUR crontabs that had to be swapped > in and out all the time (even if that could be done by a cron job). > > I thought I had found a solution - simply insert a line > > TZ=America/New_York > > before the US jobs, and > > TZ=Australia/Sydney > > before the Australian ones. A final statement to return TZ to sever > default would be optional. > > > I checked that TZ changes worked, by adding a cron job (for testing > purposes) under each TZ declaration, of the form > > TZ=America/New_York > * * * * * date >> /home/mysite/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 > > and > > TZ=Australia/Sydney > * * * * * date >> /home/mysite/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 > I propose the following: cron itself has no concept of timezone. it is 'date' that is picking up TZ and reporting as such. Cron's job is so simple is that it wakes up each minute to see if it has work to do, regardless of timezone, or anything else. You might want to try some other determining factor, such as a shell builtin. Good luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 06:49:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30430106564A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 06:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05DA8FC19 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 06:49:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4O6nRIg004060; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:49:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4O6nRIg004060 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243147774; bh=yWDXptxKX7fTZ3zX23YfzuXcgUW0zWmY5kZe1e3Lzo4=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A18EDF2.4020103@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2024=20May=202009=2007:49:22=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Morgan_Wesstr=3DF6m?=3D=20,=20=0D=0A=20FreeBSD=20Questions=20|Subject:=20Re:=20how=20to=20rotate=20a =20tcpdump=20file|References:=20<852FCD4FD0834115930F3DB05ADB7F3C@ desktop2002>=09<20090523160452.GA71919@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk >=09<4A1831CD.6080505@pp.dyndns.biz>=09<20090523195214.GA72411@mel on.esperance-linux.co.uk>=20<20090523200422.GB72411@melon.esperanc e-linux.co.uk>|In-Reply-To:=20<20090523200422.GB72411@melon.espera nce-linux.co.uk>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20mult ipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"appli cation/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig77008 F4D1D86B220EEED1CF3"; b=WjyXhH4eRFJHuT/9oYR8cJ4jI4IB9e0oPQIuAlHCHOmYwOZMXxwV0lhFoAO/CYhfr d9G9486c0MtyNyXw1JAB4hoDVmceXVHLlNeROysTI3tndfL9+wyboyM8kOm/4kY/GL clDB0ay0r+UNaqHB/CBsoBXZIgrpCxm37ZH1Mc1w= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A18EDF2.4020103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 07:49:22 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Morgan_Wesstr=F6m?= , FreeBSD Questions References: <852FCD4FD0834115930F3DB05ADB7F3C@desktop2002> <20090523160452.GA71919@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4A1831CD.6080505@pp.dyndns.biz> <20090523195214.GA72411@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20090523200422.GB72411@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20090523200422.GB72411@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig77008F4D1D86B220EEED1CF3" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Subject: Re: how to rotate a tcpdump file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:49:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig77008F4D1D86B220EEED1CF3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Shute wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:52:14PM +0100, Frank Shute wrote: >> I was thinking of using the -C and -w options to tcpdump(1). From the >> manpage: >> >> -C Before writing a raw packet to a savefile, check whether th= e >> file is currently larger than file_size and, if so, close the >> current savefile and open a new one. Savefiles after the first >> savefile will have the name specified with the -w flag, with a >> number after it, starting at 1 and continuing upward. The units >> of file_size are millions of bytes (1,000,000 bytes, not >> 1,048,576 bytes). >> >> and now looking at it more closely, you don't even have to use >> newsyslog. Just include the args: -C 10000000 -w my_tcpdump_log >=20 > Oops! should be: -C 10 -w my_tcpdump_log >=20 > I assume the OP is not too bothered whether it's megabytes or > mebibytes or whatever the hell they call them (using base 10 rather > than 2). Hmmm... so when I said "tcpdump(1) doesn't have options to support rotati= ng dump files based on size" I was in fact *completely* wrong. Memo to self= : RTFM. Sorry for the noise folks. Given it's a built-in function please ignore = all my blethering about shell scripts. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig77008F4D1D86B220EEED1CF3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoY7fcACgkQ8Mjk52CukIz/RQCgjsZJk8GTTPAP2ycryMPHm6q7 z00AmwZs6KVAbi/WIDMEyRUkz3Sb6HUa =Frl1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig77008F4D1D86B220EEED1CF3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 07:46:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637DF1065672 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9658FC12 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 07:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4O7kfR1004746; Sun, 24 May 2009 08:46:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4O7kfR1004746 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243151203; bh=BccM2Jl2usl1v1xfI2D1A946X93AqdScBbSglh0vE0I=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A18FB5B.4080902@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2024=20May=202009=2008:46:35=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20yuri@rawbw.com|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.or g|Subject:=20Re:=20How=20can=20this=20'top'=20command=20output=20m ake=20sense?=20Load=20over=207=20and=0D=0A=20total=20CPU=20use=20~ 5%|References:=20<4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<4A18 BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type: =20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3 D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------en ig60019553DCB3B46DA915EC58"; b=IbXXZZQ5YKx6nuTlJNEmk74wU0Aj/A6TWSohuaAbeworg9OfsHnh93BpMDdudXaWz YmRsno7tvpXS7gp6ZrN7ecUUXBGVdlI+casCG5ux/X69VooH6jNL26heSpKMq16YYn 0cSw7PaBPrZLMqU8V6pUI74S/C1YjCPC87JfSpfk= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A18FB5B.4080902@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 08:46:35 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yuri@rawbw.com References: <4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: <4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig60019553DCB3B46DA915EC58" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 07:46:50 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig60019553DCB3B46DA915EC58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yuri wrote: > Look below: load over 7 and no processes take much CPU. >=20 > Yuri >=20 > 7.2-PRERELEASE, 32-bit on i7-920. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > last pid: 93192; load averages: 7.68, 6.27, =20 > 4.61 = =20 > up 2+03:11:29 20:25:24 > 204 processes: 9 running, 193 sleeping, 1 stopped, 1 zombie > CPU: 5.3% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 94.7% idle > Mem: 867M Active, 1684M Inact, 279M Wired, 65M Cache, 112M Buf, 92M Fre= e > Swap: 16G Total, 142M Used, 16G Free >=20 > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMM= AND > 60032 yuri 1 46 0 285M 183M select 0 41:15 0.59% Xor= g > 60400 yuri 1 4 0 12576K 9144K kqread 4 29:44 0.00%=20 > wineserver > 92982 yuri 1 44 0 53012K 16800K CPU3 3 18:50 0.00%=20 > kdeinit4 > 92986 yuri 1 44 0 53012K 16800K CPU7 7 18:48 0.00%=20 > kdeinit4 > 92988 yuri 1 107 0 53012K 16840K CPU6 6 17:22 0.00%=20 > kdeinit4 > 60104 yuri 1 44 0 132M 45860K select 0 16:58 0.00% kwi= n > 92984 yuri 1 117 0 53012K 16800K RUN 5 14:56 0.00%=20 > kdeinit4 > 60096 yuri 1 44 0 89732K 30040K select 4 10:10 0.00% kde= d4 > 93141 yuri 1 53 0 53012K 16800K CPU5 5 3:52 0.00%=20 > kdeinit4 > 93139 yuri 1 44 0 53012K 16800K CPU1 1 3:30 0.00%=20 > kdeinit4 > 60174 yuri 1 44 0 3168K 1400K select 0 1:28 0.00%=20 > ksysguardd > 450 root 1 4 0 3128K 800K select 4 0:44 0.00% dhcl= ient > 1131 messagebus 1 4 0 3344K 1384K select 4 0:40 0.00%=20 > dbus-daemon Sure. This is not an uncommon occurrence really. The load average is the number of processes in the queue for a CPU time slice averaged over 5, 10 or 15 minutes. For multi-core systems the LA is scaled by the numb= er of cores so a LA of 1.0 means all cores have active processes pretty much= continually. Now, you might think that an active process will take the CPU utilisation= to 100%, but that is not necessarily so. Some numerical applications can= do that, but purely CPU bound processes are relatively uncommon in everyd= ay usage. In actuality what happens is that the processor will need to retr= ieve data from somewhere to operate on. There's a hierarchy of data stores of= various speeds (latency, rather than bandwidth): L1 Cache > L2 Cache > L3 Cache > Main RAM > Disk > Network Where the L1 Cache is accessible in a few clock ticks (nanoseconds), Main= =20 RAM can take microseconds to access, disk can take milliseconds to access= , and Network can take 10 -- 1000s of milliseconds. Or in other words, about 9 orders of magnitude difference. So when the d= ata you need to process is too big to fit in the fastest caches, or when it c= omes from a particularly slow location or when you have a lot of active proces= ses causing context switches, then the CPU core will be making frequent IO re= quests and spending time waiting for them to be fulfilled. =20 Now, for sources like disks and network where the retrieval is much slowe= r than the typical timescale of events on the CPU the process will yield the CPU= to something else and only get a new timeslice once the IO request has been fulfilled. For an access to main RAM however that form of yielding is le= ss likely. Consequently the CPU can end up waiting for 100s of clock cycles= until it gets some bytes to process. In the mean time, other processes are als= o sitting in the queue wanting CPU time slices -- hence the high LA with low CPU ut= ilization. Scheduling CPU timeslices to make maximum use of available resources is t= he difference between a really performant OS and a disaster. A good schedul= er is the critical central piece of code around which the rest of an OS can = be constructed. Combine that with the complexity of having multiple core= s, and that threads of execution sometimes have to be moved to different cores, = and on other occasions sometimes need to stick to the same core in order to m= ake best use of resources and you will start to appreciate quite how hard it = is to write a good scheduler. Unsurprisingly, the design of such things is a m= atter of fairly impassioned debate amongst the rarified circle of people capabl= e of writing them. That sort of argument was the genesis of the FreeBSD / Dra= gonflyBSD fork a few years back. You can rest assured though that FreeBSD certainl= y does have one of the very best schedulers currently available and it is specif= ically targeted at getting the best out of the sort of multicore CPUs available = nowadays. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig60019553DCB3B46DA915EC58 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoY+2EACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyPVQCgibP3ynO+kof6DtZjrOxUfhkR CnoAn2g7ePoFI6VTHrYIe3MhFS3UXtNU =fh2l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig60019553DCB3B46DA915EC58-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 08:12:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44E2106566C for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 08:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447698FC15 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 08:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so2574912fxm.43 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 01:12:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IpmWgjs9KcQC8XPeSqRR1ZUFbzuGJt1lU2C4xy4cei4=; b=RlwqGPtZZYwThGY3zZxuQaXN5vXmBDx29uWGqZ+s1d7o1C3np5zs6KxQgVD0/R+I/o qczkOpMOKzPsMtXQMCTEVKVWpBcrHO5aNYXQcetWfDYy2rfhXuxHt7jhnYcQ/dlaHC9H jYvGC2RFQeTD/tsHDcj2Nz3mJ/ydmqFd+MZEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pn4t2tQFvAos0iAjzycGIKyHQ4HATjA7nUscm7opZwBeR2VaaVEvtr6A1+WfVBS3Qb OHS9v3/8cmhuvfVJQCzIeb5zOtQEYpfq8cdeSc+/G+IdWqXq/hNWhVysSyPeNDwe+13B 1Buz+Ld7Me2W/6a5WHphlD9ihGzTp0PKWBslA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.71 with SMTP id y7mr5540774bkq.24.1243152738808; Sun, 24 May 2009 01:12:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A18FB5B.4080902@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com> <4A18FB5B.4080902@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 04:12:18 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905240112n6186631awd96599ab51886506@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 08:12:20 -0000 Hi, Matthew On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Yuri wrote: [snip] > > Sure. This is not an uncommon occurrence really. =A0The load average is > the number of processes in the queue for a CPU time slice averaged over > 5, 10 or 15 minutes. =A0For multi-core systems the LA is scaled by the nu= mber > of cores so a LA of 1.0 means all cores have active processes pretty much > continually. > I thought, if it was a dual-core for example, a load average of 1.00 would indicate 50% CPU utilization overall (1 process using only 1 core)[1]. 2.00 on a dual-core would be 100%, 3.00 on a dual-core would be 100% utilization, and always 1 process in the wait queue, and so on. > Now, you might think that an active process will take the CPU utilisation > to 100%, but that is not necessarily so. =A0Some numerical applications c= an > do that, but purely CPU bound processes are relatively uncommon in everyd= ay > usage. =A0In actuality what happens is that the processor will need to > retrieve > data from somewhere to operate on. =A0There's a hierarchy of data stores = of > various speeds (latency, rather than bandwidth): > > =A0L1 Cache > L2 Cache > L3 Cache > Main RAM > Disk > Network > Does this affect the load average though? My understanding was that if the CPU cannot immediately process data, the data gets put into the wait queue until L2 Cache (then RAM, etc, etc) returns the data to be processed. [1] - http://www.teamquest.com/resources/gunther/display/5/ (not necessarily a reputable source I suppose, but explains it well...) --=20 Glen Barber 570.328.0318 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 09:07:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359D7106564A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D13E8FC0A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4O97PdN062629; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:07:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4O97PdN062629 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243156047; bh=wBTT8ryg8QLPXX0Ckk7xXy0/nmuiMMs+Y5rRFEHL7w4=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A190E47.6080006@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2024=20May=202009=2010:07:19=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Glen=20Barber=20|CC:=20f reebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20How=20can=20this=20' top'=20command=20output=20make=20sense?=20Load=20over=207=20and=0D =0A=20=09total=20CPU=20use=20~5%|References:=20<4A18BEC8.5060506@r awbw.com>=09=20<4A18FB5B.4080902@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20<4ad871 310905240112n6186631awd96599ab51886506@mail.gmail.com>|In-Reply-To :=20<4ad871310905240112n6186631awd96599ab51886506@mail.gmail.com>| X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=2 0micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signat ure"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig34D09B1C3A50F8CD2536B9 6F"; b=BKhMTCKW0Yd9yBKf3UZlxBlENu48Z8PIqRko+NwsZ+XkkmOdWdfhxBI3ClBvv8Rq5 aOWZXygKArnXU4zTYxhTo443Mlt0AQHLYs7kLSob677lM18FXV8ByaOLvJyIDrfa1Z B9gqKoMl2qGe/NmzojmtV75YaXrX3vN6NvTqFdlU= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A190E47.6080006@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:07:19 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com> <4A18FB5B.4080902@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4ad871310905240112n6186631awd96599ab51886506@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905240112n6186631awd96599ab51886506@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig34D09B1C3A50F8CD2536B96F" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:07:34 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig34D09B1C3A50F8CD2536B96F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glen Barber wrote: > Hi, Matthew >=20 > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Matthew Seaman > wrote: >> Yuri wrote: >=20 > [snip] >=20 >> Sure. This is not an uncommon occurrence really. The load average is >> the number of processes in the queue for a CPU time slice averaged ove= r >> 5, 10 or 15 minutes. For multi-core systems the LA is scaled by the n= umber >> of cores so a LA of 1.0 means all cores have active processes pretty m= uch >> continually. >> >=20 > I thought, if it was a dual-core for example, a load average of 1.00 > would indicate 50% CPU utilization overall (1 process using only 1 > core)[1]. 2.00 on a dual-core would be 100%, 3.00 on a dual-core > would be 100% utilization, and always 1 process in the wait queue, and > so on. It seems both ways have been used in different OSes, which is confusing. A quick test of a single threaded process that will spin one CPU on a multi-core FreeBSD box shows the value is /not/ scaled by the number of c= ores. Which means that the LA the OP was talking about is actually a lot less a= larming than it originally appears. It's clear from the top output that his mach= ine has at least 8 cores, so a LA of 7 is really not very heavily loaded. >> Now, you might think that an active process will take the CPU utilisat= ion >> to 100%, but that is not necessarily so. Some numerical applications = can >> do that, but purely CPU bound processes are relatively uncommon in eve= ryday >> usage. In actuality what happens is that the processor will need to >> retrieve >> data from somewhere to operate on. There's a hierarchy of data stores= of >> various speeds (latency, rather than bandwidth): >> >> L1 Cache > L2 Cache > L3 Cache > Main RAM > Disk > Network >> >=20 > Does this affect the load average though? My understanding was that > if the CPU cannot immediately process data, the data gets put into the > wait queue until L2 Cache (then RAM, etc, etc) returns the data to be > processed. Yes it does: when a process is on the CPU and blocked waiting for IO it does not necessarily yield the CPU to another process. It depends on timescales -- obviously if the CPU will have to wait milliseconds for dat= a it makes no sense to block other processes. Waiting a few microseconds i= s a different matter though: it might take that long to load up L2/L3 cache= with that processes' working data, so yielding the CPU for that sort of d= elay would mean the process never got run, which is counter productive... It helps if the working set is already in the L3 cache -- so having the corr= ect amount[*] of cache RAM available is an important design criterion. It's = something that Intel was shown to have got wrong with some of the Pentium series ch= ips when a low powered Pentium M designed for mobile use smoked a much higher= clock speed Pentium chip designed for all-out server use simply because i= t had about 4x as much cache. Cheers, Matthew [*] ie. as much as possible. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig34D09B1C3A50F8CD2536B96F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoZDk0ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwQGACeJpPI3T5mjoJNi230nUl955SW LkQAnjYsfZbseoMsyyIgN5MzdnMf3fbI =ehSj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig34D09B1C3A50F8CD2536B96F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 09:47:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8951065679 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685798FC1F for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so2602118fxm.43 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 02:47:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GvDc7cwRadfib3mvyDWLCnTTEj54abS6ymgJvl1lBSs=; b=ZkPQMNGNNfck3DQ8vDDCVFfwbfLMPlBreuV0qSZmtD0XN7Kan8mI14uk0KFzKthh+B 0rT6H6ILfhOpDRB2ZLIUOQJCkjGx5Ujo4j11aeSd06E/Q+TMAkhyHaQS6NTZ5hm9/Nk3 nAvD+hGYGAGIStFzPCo5+E2To9p3a1oIlGvAY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KF1pAwPOp35Qdt7zhkMaM/vB3GFbWvb7ecBDRR3MLM3hn+n1H3ScGlCZXdNHgcE3Q3 8ENs9B8fdbIE1XqCrcAO7NNrMMhRa6UjJ+oUplLolT7cv9nhc8X6UF/VNHJSSUV0iLTg GSi6S9LrnK9KWRAV3B55XMJGuXBbdCsoNgYCY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.69 with SMTP id u5mr5618224bkq.77.1243158432265; Sun, 24 May 2009 02:47:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A190E47.6080006@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com> <4A18FB5B.4080902@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4ad871310905240112n6186631awd96599ab51886506@mail.gmail.com> <4A190E47.6080006@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 05:47:12 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905240247v50b44fa6pd99c22c9c6516908@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:47:14 -0000 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> >> I thought, if it was a dual-core for example, a load average of 1.00 >> would indicate 50% CPU utilization overall (1 process using only 1 >> core)[1]. =A02.00 on a dual-core would be 100%, 3.00 on a dual-core >> would be 100% utilization, and always 1 process in the wait queue, and >> so on. > > It seems both ways have been used in different OSes, which is confusing. > A quick test of a single threaded process that will spin one CPU on a > multi-core FreeBSD box shows the value is /not/ scaled by the number of > cores. > Meaning a load average of 1.00 on a single-core versus dual-core means the same thing? I can't tell if you said what I said (or meant) with different wording, or if you said the opposite. :-) > Which means that the LA the OP was talking about is actually a lot less > alarming > than it originally appears. =A0It's clear from the top output that his ma= chine > has at least 8 cores, so a LA of 7 is really not very heavily loaded. > So in this situation, he has 1 core idle all of the time, correct? >> >> Does this affect the load average though? =A0My understanding was that >> if the CPU cannot immediately process data, the data gets put into the >> wait queue until L2 Cache (then RAM, etc, etc) returns the data to be >> processed. > > Yes it does: when a process is on the CPU and blocked waiting for IO > it does not necessarily yield the CPU to another process. =A0It depends o= n > timescales -- obviously if the CPU will have to wait milliseconds for dat= a > it makes no sense to block other processes. =A0Waiting a few microseconds= is > a different matter though: it might take that long to load up L2/L3 cache > with that processes' working data, so yielding the CPU for that sort of > delay > would mean the process never got run, which is counter productive... =A0I= t > helps if the working set is already in the L3 cache -- so having the corr= ect > amount[*] of cache RAM available is an important design criterion. Makes sense. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 09:57:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15E6106566C for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB178FC1D for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 09:57:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4O9vAcn030669; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:57:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4O9v8D4030666; Sun, 24 May 2009 11:57:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:57:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Yuri In-Reply-To: <4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com> Message-ID: References: <4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:57:23 -0000 > Look below: load over 7 and no processes take much CPU. load average is NOT sum of CPU loads. for example program reading constantly from HDD and using no CPU will add 1 to load average. other things like net I/O etc. are calculated too. i can't explain you exactly how because i don't know precisely. but load average is total load not just CPU load > > Yuri > > 7.2-PRERELEASE, 32-bit on i7-920. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > last pid: 93192; load averages: 7.68, 6.27, 4.61 > up 2+03:11:29 20:25:24 > 204 processes: 9 running, 193 sleeping, 1 stopped, 1 zombie > CPU: 5.3% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 94.7% idle > Mem: 867M Active, 1684M Inact, 279M Wired, 65M Cache, 112M Buf, 92M Free > Swap: 16G Total, 142M Used, 16G Free > > PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND > 60032 yuri 1 46 0 285M 183M select 0 41:15 0.59% Xorg > 60400 yuri 1 4 0 12576K 9144K kqread 4 29:44 0.00% > wineserver > 92982 yuri 1 44 0 53012K 16800K CPU3 3 18:50 0.00% kdeinit4 > 92986 yuri 1 44 0 53012K 16800K CPU7 7 18:48 0.00% kdeinit4 > 92988 yuri 1 107 0 53012K 16840K CPU6 6 17:22 0.00% kdeinit4 > 60104 yuri 1 44 0 132M 45860K select 0 16:58 0.00% kwin > 92984 yuri 1 117 0 53012K 16800K RUN 5 14:56 0.00% kdeinit4 > 60096 yuri 1 44 0 89732K 30040K select 4 10:10 0.00% kded4 > 93141 yuri 1 53 0 53012K 16800K CPU5 5 3:52 0.00% kdeinit4 > 93139 yuri 1 44 0 53012K 16800K CPU1 1 3:30 0.00% kdeinit4 > 60174 yuri 1 44 0 3168K 1400K select 0 1:28 0.00% > ksysguardd > 450 root 1 4 0 3128K 800K select 4 0:44 0.00% dhclient > 1131 messagebus 1 4 0 3344K 1384K select 4 0:40 0.00% > dbus-daemon > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 09:58:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C7210656E3 for ; 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Sun, 24 May 2009 11:58:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:58:41 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090406) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: pkgdb -F problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:58:50 -0000 Tim Judd skrev: > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Frederique Rijsdijk < > frederique@isafeelin.org> wrote: > >> Leslie Jensen wrote: >> >>> I've just updated my 7.1-RELEASE to 7.2-RELEASE using freebsd-update. >>> >>> Everything went ok but I've got a problem when I do >>> >>> pkgdb -F >>> /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.4: unsupported file layout >>> >>> >>> I might have goofed before I updated when moving files around to make >>> space, so I need some advice on how to get rid of the error. >>> >>> >>> I cannot find out what port I need to reinstall in order to get libcrypt >>> healty again :-) >>> >>> >> Probably everything related to portupgrade/portinstall/ruby etc. >> >> >> -- Frederique >> > > > My 7.1R-p4 system doesn't have a /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.4 > > it has a /lib/libcrypt.so.4 though > > so if you're "moving stuff around" -- and it's in the wrong directory, maybe > that's why? > > In either case, libcrypt.so.4 is part of world, so you'd have to rebuild > that piece if relocating the file itself doesn't fix it. > > And if you move libraries around, you need to update the linker helper > file. ldconfig(8) > > > Good luck. Hello again. I've some digging work and probaly there's something with compiling C programs that is not working as it should. I've one port that I was not able to upgrade so I tried to deinstall but it won't reinstall. I've included the /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs3/work/kdelibs-3.5.10/config.log Any hints are greatly appreciated :-) /Leslie ------------------ snip ----------------- checking for gawk... gawk checking whether gmake sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel checking for style of include used by gmake... GNU checking for gcc... cc checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. See `config.log' for more details. ===> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. Please report the problem to kde@FreeBSD.org [maintainer] and attach the "/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs3/work/kdelibs-3.5.10/config.log" including the output of the failure of your make command. Also, it might be a good idea to provide an overview of all packages installed on your system (e.g. an `ls /var/db/pkg`). *** Error code 1 ----------------- snip ------------------- /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs3/work/kdelibs-3.5.10/config.log ----------------- snip ------------------- This file contains any messages produced by compilers while running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake. It was created by configure, which was generated by GNU Autoconf 2.61. Invocation command line was $ ./configure --disable-ltdl-install --disable-as-needed --enable-mt --x-libraries=/usr/local/lib --x-includes=/usr/local/include --with-libthai=yes --with-lua=no --with-ssl-dir=/usr --disable-debug --with-xinerama --with-qt-includes=/usr/local/include --with-qt-libraries=/usr/local/lib --with-extra-libs=/usr/local/lib --with-extra-includes=/usr/local/include --prefix=/usr/local --mandir=/usr/local/man --infodir=/usr/local/info/ --build=i386-portbld-freebsd7.2 ## --------- ## ## Platform. ## ## --------- ## hostname = blj01.no-ip.org uname -m = i386 uname -r = 7.2-RELEASE uname -s = FreeBSD uname -v = FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC /usr/bin/uname -p = i386 /bin/uname -X = unknown /bin/arch = unknown /usr/bin/arch -k = unknown /usr/convex/getsysinfo = unknown /usr/bin/hostinfo = unknown /bin/machine = unknown /usr/bin/oslevel = unknown /bin/universe = unknown PATH: /sbin PATH: /bin PATH: /usr/sbin PATH: /usr/bin PATH: /usr/lib PATH: /usr/games PATH: /usr/local/sbin PATH: /usr/local/bin PATH: /usr/X11R6/bin PATH: /root/bin ## ----------- ## ## Core tests. ## ## ----------- ## configure:2385: checking build system type configure:2403: result: i386-portbld-freebsd7.2 configure:2425: checking host system type configure:2440: result: i386-portbld-freebsd7.2 configure:2462: checking target system type configure:2477: result: i386-portbld-freebsd7.2 configure:2539: checking for a BSD-compatible install configure:2595: result: /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel configure:2634: checking whether build environment is sane configure:2677: result: yes configure:2692: checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p configure:2731: result: /usr/local/bin/gmkdir -p configure:2744: checking for gawk configure:2760: found /usr/local/bin/gawk configure:2771: result: gawk configure:2782: checking whether gmake sets $(MAKE) configure:2803: result: yes configure:3004: checking for a BSD-compatible install configure:3060: result: /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel configure:3086: checking for style of include used by gmake configure:3114: result: GNU configure:3261: checking for gcc configure:3288: result: cc configure:3526: checking for C compiler version configure:3533: cc --version >&5 cc (GCC) 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD] Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. configure:3536: $? = 0 configure:3543: cc -v >&5 Using built-in specs. Target: i386-undermydesk-freebsd Configured with: FreeBSD/i386 system compiler Thread model: posix gcc version 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD] configure:3546: $? = 0 configure:3553: cc -V >&5 cc: '-V' option must have argument configure:3556: $? = 1 configure:3579: checking for C compiler default output file name configure:3606: cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -D_GETOPT_H -rpath=/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib conftest.c -Wl,-export-dynamic -L/usr/local/lib -ljpeg -L/usr/local/lib >&5 configure:3609: $? = 0 configure:3647: result: a.out configure:3664: checking whether the C compiler works configure:3674: ./a.out /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libc.so.7: unsupported file layout configure:3677: $? = 1 configure:3684: error: cannot run C compiled programs. If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. 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target_os='freebsd7.2' target_vendor='portbld' undefined_symbols_allowed_FALSE='' undefined_symbols_allowed_TRUE='' unsermake_enable_pch_FALSE='' unsermake_enable_pch_TRUE='' x_includes='/usr/local/include' x_libraries='/usr/local/lib' xdg_appsdir='' xdg_directorydir='' xdg_menudir='' ## ----------- ## ## confdefs.h. ## ## ----------- ## #define PACKAGE_NAME "" #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "" #define PACKAGE_VERSION "" #define PACKAGE_STRING "" #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "" #define PACKAGE "kdelibs" #define VERSION "3.5.10" configure: exit 1 ----------------- snip ------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 10:47:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABD3106564A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:47:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCB08FC21 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 10:47:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so2620467fxm.43 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 03:47:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=N0fjHRHgKumDO0epslAOJ0By+2pI57bdY4uFEaYirfw=; b=hOLYAHVY5kRNhyeqYo95icd41CssdQnRgKJicRC96EaZR0g/vfx2JltHXK5rv90kzG sk6UAvgDn6S4BbRK3i/gzhA3DGvVmBlksl1VqjUbpaQvqV7Uu/IuaVAB8YiUPrZxj1ZZ qAliBnohI+BRp/4QZPfx3Trp5CNrf0Y/IxnSM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ncb398X8AcjBplftncgvDKvaEQOIC+CzFWXDLWQd1VaoEQRlnutyM58g5d9GUUQvgx RygEAWntrXrOPEQIlADNRH/15nLlp+5lPJ9FNpz9w8pk+TwY/C/npat9nsCQtl79DksW fFMh3klPnVKaxrdzprfzwKgRxHmR1Z7wP8Ypg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.115.143 with SMTP id i15mr5617942bkq.103.1243162037865; Sun, 24 May 2009 03:47:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A18BF00.4010200@a1poweruser.com> References: <20090521215221.GA98253@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <87pre1nvl9.fsf@tabernacle.lan> <3c1674c90905221246x6323cd25w99664334c6a6a2c4@mail.gmail.com> <20090523145907.cf08d654.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A18BF00.4010200@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:47:17 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905240347x17cf2200m2813f22b81e5b96c@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Fbsd1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , Ronny Mandal , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win4BSD 1.1 on 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:47:19 -0000 On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Fbsd1 wrote: > > > There is no package for win4bsd on the pkg ftp servers for releases 7.0, > 7.1, 7.2, or 8.0. > Looks like the release build team has been missed this one for some time > now. > They did not miss it. The port is marked as RESTRICTED because redistribution is prohibited. -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 12:50:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EA6106564A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCFB8FC14 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) Received: from xykert.erje.net (erje.net [80.126.62.176]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4OCW3A1050229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:32:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) Received: from ismet.erje.net (ismet.erje.net [IPv6:2001:888:1f33::8e45:5e]) by xykert.erje.net (PostFix 2.5.7) with ESMTP id CD7122010C for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:31:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from robert@localhost) by ismet.erje.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4OCVsau069774 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:31:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) X-Authentication-Warning: ismet.erje.net: robert set sender to robert@ml.erje.net using -f Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:31:53 +0200 From: Robert Joosten To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090524123153.GF10317@ismet.erje.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-xykert.erje.net-MailScanner-Information: support@erje.net X-xykert.erje.net-MailScanner: Ok, found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: silly Q: any script running before make install /w ports ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:50:02 -0000 Hi, I have a standard umask of 0077 on a box. I grabbed irssi from ports, but he doesn't connect to any irc server... running it as root will. Now I suspect that umask setting of mine. That leaves me with a silly question: is there any script running before I enter 'make install' ? I cannot find it in the dev. section of the handbook about creating ports. Regards, Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 12:57:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95238106566B for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277788FC0C for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so2662629fxm.43 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 05:57:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4Y/yGo894eTddLfwWwUeJysGql6DMNZMUXHZ9dFkRJ0=; b=Coo7J9b7Nu2eT1NVBVI7seXFkzCNIM6GV+hqnErG9ROiXChOIYmKcWtk2QkuOLquR9 aTqz8wMbSJhJPsZMCXK3wLR5aNb6ZAM0UxrZqj+CslXJazOLXy8QqDRTbbK3d9cLOOn2 fZ+5jjLcdXGTfdzrIqw2694FTuk03ytL/LSCM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pEum8YY/Spf92q8q9qtqQEb1p0C3JR72O2l0nRKJDi6gR65ltJRu7OsysTzmQzwLY6 p05wsj/onm8yg9S3maNiKZPWtp4dGzPuKrJdqHgoS0/J3iX0kPuT53IGvn29hwx7SyQZ YrdNVALSs298v1Himsx/Zd7c+TpI4U4UTcOWw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.69 with SMTP id u5mr5780088bkq.77.1243169865168; Sun, 24 May 2009 05:57:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090524123153.GF10317@ismet.erje.net> References: <20090524123153.GF10317@ismet.erje.net> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 08:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905240557n6d60acfp46bf15f7ed954bc1@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Robert Joosten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: silly Q: any script running before make install /w ports ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:57:47 -0000 Hi, Robert On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Robert Joosten wrote: > Hi, > > I have a standard umask of 0077 on a box. > > I grabbed irssi from ports, but he doesn't connect to any irc server... > running it as root will. Now I suspect that umask setting of mine. > IRC-ing as root is a bad idea. As a normal user, does irssi start? If not, what are the errors? > That leaves me with a silly question: is there any script running before I > enter 'make install' ? I cannot find it in the dev. section of the > handbook about creating ports. > I'm not clear what you're asking here. -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 13:02:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24981065673 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:02:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4976B8FC1A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:02:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) Received: from xykert.erje.net (erje.net [80.126.62.176]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4OD2k7E068316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:02:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) Received: from ismet.erje.net (ismet.erje.net [IPv6:2001:888:1f33::8e45:5e]) by xykert.erje.net (PostFix 2.5.7) with ESMTP id B0CB12010C for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:02:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from robert@localhost) by ismet.erje.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4OD2bmh080109 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:02:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) X-Authentication-Warning: ismet.erje.net: robert set sender to robert@ml.erje.net using -f Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:02:37 +0200 From: Robert Joosten To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090524130237.GG10317@ismet.erje.net> References: <20090524123153.GF10317@ismet.erje.net> <4ad871310905240557n6d60acfp46bf15f7ed954bc1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905240557n6d60acfp46bf15f7ed954bc1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-xykert.erje.net-MailScanner-Information: support@erje.net X-xykert.erje.net-MailScanner: Ok, found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: silly Q: any script running before make install /w ports ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:02:49 -0000 Hi, > IRC-ing as root is a bad idea. Yeah, I know. But I really had to doublecheck. > As a normal user, does irssi start? It does start, but it's unable to connect. > If not, what are the errors? 14:59 -!- Irssi: Looking up irc.xs4all.nl 14:59 -!- Irssi: Connecting to irc.xs4all.nl [194.109.129.219] port 6667 14:59 -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.xs4all.nl port 6667 [Can't assign requested address: 213.161.196.11] part of the ktrace 79841 irssi RET gettimeofday 0 79841 irssi CALL gettimeofday(0xbfbfe028,0) 79841 irssi RET gettimeofday 0 79841 irssi CALL gettimeofday(0xbfbfdfa8,0) 79841 irssi RET gettimeofday 0 79841 irssi CALL gettimeofday(0xbfbfdf48,0) 79841 irssi RET gettimeofday 0 79841 irssi CALL gettimeofday(0xbfbfe088,0) 79841 irssi RET gettimeofday 0 79841 irssi CALL socket(PF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,IPPROTO_IP) 79841 irssi RET socket 4 79841 irssi CALL fcntl(0x4,F_SETFL,O_NONBLOCK) 79841 irssi RET fcntl 0 79841 irssi CALL setsockopt(0x4,SOL_SOCKET,SO_REUSEADDR,0xbfbfe558,0x4) 79841 irssi RET setsockopt 0 79841 irssi CALL setsockopt(0x4,SOL_SOCKET,SO_KEEPALIVE,0xbfbfe558,0x4) 79841 irssi RET setsockopt 0 79841 irssi CALL bind(0x4,0xbfbfe53c,0x10) 79841 irssi STRU struct sockaddr { AF_INET, 213.161.196.11:0 } 79841 irssi RET bind -1 errno 49 Can't assign requested address 79841 irssi CALL close(0x4) 79841 irssi RET close 0 > I'm not clear what you're asking here. setting umask 022 just before make install Regards, Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 13:15:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C061065677 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419688FC30 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4ODFBEq007803; Sun, 24 May 2009 08:15:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 08:15:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Wojciech Puchar Cc: Yuri Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:15:15 -0000 On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:57:08 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote without proper attribution: >> Look below: load over 7 and no processes take much CPU. > >load average is NOT sum of CPU loads. > >for example program reading constantly from HDD and using no CPU will add >1 to load average. > >other things like net I/O etc. are calculated too. i can't explain you >exactly how because i don't know precisely. > >but load average is total load not just CPU load > From the glossary (p. 630) of _The_Design_and_Implementation_of_the _FreeBSD_Operating_System_ by McKusick and Neville-Neil: load average A measure of CPU load on the system. The load average in FreeBSD is an average of the number of processes ready to run or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O to complete, as sampled once per second over the previous one- minute interval of system operation. In the same volume in the discussion of "Calculations of Thread Priority" by the 4.4 BSD scheduler (p. 101), it says, "... the *load* is a sampled average of the sum of the lengths of the run queue and of the short-term sleep queue over the previous 1-minute interval of system operation." Seems pretty straightforward to me. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 13:33:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4F61065673; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:33:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30738FC1F; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A9414D5AE4; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:33:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id cYndrarhB-Yf; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:33:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (catv-80-98-231-64.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.231.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D9F314D5AA7; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:33:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A194CB7.4080605@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:33:43 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:33:53 -0000 Wojciech Puchar escribió: >> >> I'm about to buy a netbook, which: >> - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) >> - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) >> - has a normal HDD not an SSD > > point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway > in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those > really "mobile". so >4 hours on battery&HDD seems possible. > Yes, but buying anything is always about compromises. Recent HDD models are pretty good and I don't need the most hi-end model with an extreme battery life, just a reasonable uptime with HDD. I think I'll go for the Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly everything works with it. -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: gabor@FreeBSD.org .:|:. gabor@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 13:44:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D81106564A; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4132B8FC12; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1954E14D5AE6; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:44:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id vjg3KF1GzN1R; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:43:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (catv-80-98-231-64.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.231.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BBA014D5AA7; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:43:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A194F19.9070106@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:43:53 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <1243112254.1200.11.camel@RabbitsDen> In-Reply-To: <1243112254.1200.11.camel@RabbitsDen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Sean Cavanaugh , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:44:02 -0000 Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko escribió: > I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's > Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2" screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6 > hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to > 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though. > > Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might > need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver. > Thanks, that Samsung model seems pretty nice, as well, but it's significantly more expensive in Hungary than the Aspire ONE, while the specs are mainly the same. So I think I'll go for the Acer netbook if someone doesn't convince me quickly not to do so... -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: gabor@FreeBSD.org .:|:. gabor@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 14:12:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA601065674 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152EB8FC18 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M8ERU-0006oz-OJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:12:48 +0000 Received: from pool-70-21-10-173.res.east.verizon.net ([70.21.10.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:12:48 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-70-21-10-173.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:12:48 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:14:13 -0400 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <20090524123153.GF10317@ismet.erje.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-70-21-10-173.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: silly Q: any script running before make install /w ports ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:12:52 -0000 Robert Joosten wrote: > Hi, > > I have a standard umask of 0077 on a box. > > I grabbed irssi from ports, but he doesn't connect to any irc server... > running it as root will. Now I suspect that umask setting of mine. Why not leave it at 022? > That leaves me with a silly question: is there any script running before I > enter 'make install' ? I cannot find it in the dev. section of the > handbook about creating ports. > This is a non sequitur. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 13:52:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F739106564A; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:52:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21338FC14; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:52:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp-93-104-111-67.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.111.67]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA01F185184ED; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4ODqUDk003429; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Gabor Kovesdan Message-ID: <20090524135229.GA3410@current.Sisis.de> References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <1243112254.1200.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <4A194F19.9070106@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4A194F19.9070106@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:23:15 +0000 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Sean Cavanaugh , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:52:33 -0000 El día Sunday, May 24, 2009 a las 03:43:53PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan escribió: > Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko escribió: > >I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's > >Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2" screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6 > >hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to > >2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though. > > > >Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might > >need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver. > > > Thanks, that Samsung model seems pretty nice, as well, but it's > significantly more expensive in Hungary than the Aspire ONE, while the > specs are mainly the same. So I think I'll go for the Acer netbook if > someone doesn't convince me quickly not to do so... I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9" display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 14:46:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6B11065677 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 733898FC1F for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 89149 invoked from network); 24 May 2009 14:46:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=std0eersqd6WzxzqBINZj4Tp2ZQYZx3w33DVYm5eQgumP9drRBe+rYIfvhZBNUzaFuuT32nxfYfE2IxSprK3TAPnpfSATWN3oy6j3t98hY50MkfKXqDn5XIIeErvkIFv8Wy0aNxJhNGQzn8m85cV0lKcJiehfXR72BB7DDqxRZc= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2009 07:46:20 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: 7so7N_YVM1kvp3COxPBxLb5slsswbJbDagOya1pOnREkfvs8dR1.w6JqkBwL4TY_.LjOLVCFWVT3ek6lh0eP5jBpHWMbndzTNzTHD95lKDWymde74FXTKgLWqiDAYvpHr2JGzfQSo9GD3kYvjabut1xv0CvyqO5x_83965tbQXPYamnCVoEI55wLBiC.UygA_G_5ZyFOnZxpsp__R56qhiRF_mAA7rhjmDDpCdiUmqsVEM6NRAagmzNoSvepWA20wLXjBGbFNf0dAp7uOJaaiuqdFhmoKsxNkbvx4T3BFjtzpm9sFUZRqCMyHvwlsg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:46:18 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/JlAHiGRjWne3Grb2Fx1tY3F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:46:22 -0000 --Sig_/JlAHiGRjWne3Grb2Fx1tY3F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 23 May 2009 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT) "kristian.tenorio" wrote: > >Well, you have a Canon iP8500. I guess I can really help you. >I have tried TurboPrint on FreeBSD and it works. Here is what I did: > >0) I installed the Fedora linux compat package from my FreeBSD discs >1) I enabled the linux compatibility by adding as root the following >line to /etc/rc.conf >linux_enable=3D"YES" >2) I installed bash and symlinked it to /bin by running as root >cd /bin ; ln -s `which bash` >3) I installed ghostscript, you probably have it installed already >4) I mounted as root the linprocfs by running >mount -t linprocfs linprocfs /compat/linux/proc >5) I downloaded the .tgz Turboprint file, copied it to my home and >untarred it using >tar xzf MYTURBOPRINTFILE >where MYTURBOPRINTFILE is the name of the file you downloaded ending >in .tgz 6) I changed to the new folder and ran as root this, following >the on-screen instructions >brandelf -t 'Linux' setup >./setup >~~~TURBOPRINT SETUP PROGRAM: SOME QUESTIONS AND STUFF ON THE SCREEN~~~~ >cd /compat/linux/usr/bin >ls t* >7) With this last command you see some new programs installed from the >Turboprint setup like >tpprint, turboprint, etc. You simply change its brand, as root of >course by running on each of them >brandelf -t 'Linux' TURBOPRINT-BINARY >where TURBOPRINT-BINARY is the name of each executable file you think >is Turboprint's. >8) Now is time to do the script. Enter your text editor on your >session, copy the following >script AS IS and save it as tpr on your home directory. Notice the P=3D >and D=3D fields. > >#!/bin/bash >F=3D/compat/linux/usr/bin/tpprint >P=3DCanon_PIXMA_iP8500 >D=3D/dev/ulpt0 >if [ $1 ]; then S=3D$1 ; else S=3D- ; fi >gs -sDEVICE=3Dpcx24b -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dTextAlphaBits=3D4 >-dGraphicsAlphaBits=3D2 \ >-dMaxBitmap=3D10000000 -sOutputFile=3D$HOME/tpr.pcx $S >$F -d$P $HOME/tpr.pcx $HOME/tpr.job ; rm $HOME/tpr.pcx >cat $HOME/tpr.job >$D ; rm $HOME/tpr.job > >9) Make it executable and copy it to /usr/local/bin as root, something >like cd /home/YOUR_USERNAME >chmod 555 tpr >cp tpr /usr/local/bin > >Now, it is installed. When you want to print follow these steps. >Remember, you have to do this every time you turn your printer on. > >1) Turn on your printer >2) Run the following command as root >chmod 666 /dev/ulpt0 >This will allow every user in the system print. >3) Go to the File menu in your app and select Print as you'd always do >4) If it is KDE, click Advanced Options and select (generic) from the >menu. If it's not KDE look for printing through a command. The idea >here is to print using a command. >5) Look for the command field and type tpr >6) Click OK or whatever else in your program and it will print your job > >You can print also a PDF or PostScript file on your terminal (it all) >by running >tpr FILENAME > >It works on whatever printer. If you have another printer simply >change the P=3D field in the script. >For instance, I have it P=3DCanon_i250 since I have a Canon i250 USB >printer installed at home. >If it doesn't work maybe the device is wrong. If the /dev/ulpt0 >doesn't work, try /dev/unlpt0 if USB, >or /dev/lpt0 for Parallel's. That is set in the D=3D field. /dev/ulpt0 >should work for USB Printers. > >Send me an email. I really want to know whether it does work for you >or not. >Here it is, kristian.tenorio@gmail.com > > >Chandan Haldar wrote: >>=20 >> Couldn't fix it with the time I could spend... so still saving >> printouts for >> Windoz. :-( I know, I know, it's a shame... >>=20 >> On 12/8/06, a@zeos.net wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 08:59:51PM +0530, Chandan Haldar wrote: >>> > I'm searching for ways to print on a Canon PIXMA IP8500 >>> > from FreeBSD 6.0 Release. >>> > >>> > Has anyone tried to make the linux driver for PIXUS IP 8600 >>> > from canon.jp work for the PIXMA IP 8500 on FreeBSD? >>> > >>> > Has anyone tried the TurboPrint linux driver on FreeBSD? >>> > I need it bad enough to even buy this Euro 30 driver if >>> > it works on FreeBSD. >>> > >>> > It's incredibly annoying to have to boot Win just to print >>> > :-(. >>> > >>> > Chandan >>> >>> How do you print on your Canon PIXMA? >>> I have a Canon PIXMA iP 2000 and the same problem. >>> >>> Elisej Babenko Seriously, before I spent all that time and trouble, I would just use a Windows PC. Then again, that is just my 2=C2=A2. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com A friend of mine won't get a divorce, because he hates lawyers more than he hates his wife. --Sig_/JlAHiGRjWne3Grb2Fx1tY3F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoZXbsACgkQBvaKIJWWCO37xACfREyZdWtYC7uupopkqhKp0gEV SEYAn1NupLrKNoH0FWPuZhQuii4v9kVt =0qGn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/JlAHiGRjWne3Grb2Fx1tY3F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 14:56:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9824106566C for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:56:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975BB8FC1A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:56:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985C63CF43; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:56:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4OEuCul019311; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:56:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:56:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthias Apitz Message-Id: <20090524165611.1c6d0b31.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090524135229.GA3410@current.Sisis.de> References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <1243112254.1200.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <4A194F19.9070106@FreeBSD.org> <20090524135229.GA3410@current.Sisis.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:56:21 -0000 On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9" > display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have > installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is > not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype > for FreeBSD can do video as well). I would tend to buy one myself in the future, especially for LAN and WLAN diagnostics (at the customer's site). I like the concept of the SSD in opposite to a "moving parts" classical hard disk. Size and battery life are okay (for what they are intended for), and I think older models of the EeePC will get a bit cheaper over the time. I'm very greedy, so I mostly think: "Do I REALLY need this - and spend money on it?" :-) There is a nice description about how to install FreeBSD on this device at http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt - and I can't wait to try this out. But I'm sure I would not want to run KDE or Gnome on this thing... Of course, it would be nice to have access to the camera (at least you paid for it), be it by Skype or simply by mencoder. Maybe it will be supported in the future. By the way, can you tell me how expensive (approx.) is the UMTS dongle, and how much is using it? (I'm curious, and since you're from a .de domain, your answer should apply to me, too.) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 14:58:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F66106566B for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:58:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28B78FC14 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 14:58:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1833CD8D; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:58:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4OEwP1u019315; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:58:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:58:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Glen Barber Message-Id: <20090524165824.c6f74d55.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905240347x17cf2200m2813f22b81e5b96c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090521215221.GA98253@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <87pre1nvl9.fsf@tabernacle.lan> <3c1674c90905221246x6323cd25w99664334c6a6a2c4@mail.gmail.com> <20090523145907.cf08d654.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A18BF00.4010200@a1poweruser.com> <4ad871310905240347x17cf2200m2813f22b81e5b96c@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win4BSD 1.1 on 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:58:28 -0000 On Sun, 24 May 2009 06:47:17 -0400, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Fbsd1 wrote: > > There is no package for win4bsd on the pkg ftp servers for releases 7.0, > > 7.1, 7.2, or 8.0. > > Looks like the release build team has been missed this one for some time > > now. > > They did not miss it. The port is marked as RESTRICTED because > redistribution is prohibited. Okay, but then, compiling through the port should be okay. In order to save some time, it could be possible to pkg_add -r the dependencies first, then run the "make install clean" command in win4bsd's directory. As I said, dry assumption - I haven't tried it. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 16:19:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557B01065673 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E228FC20 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:19:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp-93-104-111-67.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.111.67]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5EA18521572; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:19:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4OGJ1TU003988; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:19:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:19:01 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090524161901.GB3776@current.Sisis.de> References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <1243112254.1200.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <4A194F19.9070106@FreeBSD.org> <20090524135229.GA3410@current.Sisis.de> <20090524165611.1c6d0b31.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20090524165611.1c6d0b31.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:19:08 -0000 El día Sunday, May 24, 2009 a las 04:56:11PM +0200, Polytropon escribió: > On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9" > > display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have > > installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is > > not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype > > for FreeBSD can do video as well). > > I would tend to buy one myself in the future, especially for > LAN and WLAN diagnostics (at the customer's site). I like the > concept of the SSD in opposite to a "moving parts" classical > hard disk. Size and battery life are okay (for what they are > intended for), and I think older models of the EeePC will > get a bit cheaper over the time. I'm very greedy, so I mostly > think: "Do I REALLY need this - and spend money on it?" :-) I'm using mine one for reading books in Spanish and writing private stuff; I have a Spanish dictionary on it and an offline version of the Spanish Wikipedia. As well I use it to connect to Internet when I'm sitting in a beer garden to access things I wanna read. It is a netbook per definition. And really cool. The battery (6600 mAh) gives me around 4.5 hours autonomy, but often I find a point with power. > There is a nice description about how to install FreeBSD on > this device at http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt - and > I can't wait to try this out. But I'm sure I would not want > to run KDE or Gnome on this thing... why? it just runs fast on it; The above description is still on RELENG_7 level, I will update it soon for CURRENT which is I run now. > > Of course, it would be nice to have access to the camera (at > least you paid for it), be it by Skype or simply by mencoder. > Maybe it will be supported in the future. > > By the way, can you tell me how expensive (approx.) is the > UMTS dongle, and how much is using it? (I'm curious, and > since you're from a .de domain, your answer should apply > to me, too.) I have a flat rate SIM and PCMCIA card from the company I'm working for. And bought the UMTS dongle for my private usage in eBay for around 35 euro, I think. I'm using it nearly every evening. > -- > Polytropon > >From Magdeburg, Germany I lived in Westeregeln and went to school in Egeln :-) > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 happy since 2.2.5 (around 1997, I think). matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 17:27:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA90106566C; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:27:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meta@club.kyutech.ac.jp) Received: from mail1.asahi-net.or.jp (mail1.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2ED8FC2A; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meta@club.kyutech.ac.jp) Received: from smtp.vmeta.jp (attsi1-src.asahi-net.or.jp [220.157.253.2]) by mail1.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E4A76067; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:06:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from [192.168.0.128] (unknown [192.168.0.128]) by smtp.vmeta.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2DFAEC65; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:06:17 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4A197E77.2060500@club.kyutech.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:05:59 +0900 From: Koichiro IWAO User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabor Kovesdan References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:27:33 -0000 Hi. Gabor Kovesdan ????????: > Hello, > > I'm about to buy a netbook, which: > - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) > - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) > - has a normal HDD not an SSD I don't know about that you are going to buy, but I have Dell Inspiron mini 12. One of the big problem with FreeBSD is the video Driver. Most of netbooks have Intel Atom Z series CPU. Atom Z series have integrated chipset and video chip. The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product. So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still unavailable. VESA is the only available driver. If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series. -- Iwao, Koichiro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 18:09:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2412106566C; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:09:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536158FC16; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:09:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CFC14D5AFD; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:09:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 1EGFM-8sCB+p; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (catv-80-98-231-64.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.231.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B5C2F14D5AA7; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A198D5F.1090405@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:09:35 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Koichiro IWAO References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <4A197E77.2060500@club.kyutech.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <4A197E77.2060500@club.kyutech.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:09:47 -0000 Koichiro IWAO escribió: > The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product. > So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still > unavailable. VESA is the only available driver. > > If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series. Uh, thanks a lot, I almost chose the 751h model, but now I decided to take the 531. It comes with Intel 945GM. -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: gabor@FreeBSD.org .:|:. gabor@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 18:23:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBBA1065676 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:23:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB5B8FC0A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4OIMfJ7033064; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:22:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4OIMcZJ033061; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:22:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:22:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Scott Bennett In-Reply-To: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Yuri , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:23:04 -0000 > From the glossary (p. 630) of _The_Design_and_Implementation_of_the > _FreeBSD_Operating_System_ by McKusick and Neville-Neil: > > load average A measure of CPU load on the system. The load average > in FreeBSD is an average of the number of processes ready to > run or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O to > complete, as sampled once per second over the previous one- > minute interval of system operation. > so this glossary should be fixed because it's nonsense. first - says that it's measure of CPU load then - "or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O" - which is NOT measure of CPU load. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 19:02:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AC8106564A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdc@prgmr.com) Received: from mail.prgmr.com (mail.prgmr.com [64.62.173.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903938FC0A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdc@prgmr.com) Received: from frylock.local (c-71-198-249-174.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.198.249.174]) by mail.prgmr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7960668B5F for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1999D1.5010508@prgmr.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 12:02:41 -0700 From: Michael David Crawford Organization: Prgmr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:02:42 -0000 This guy advises buying an old G4 Mac laptop to use as a netbook: http://lowendmac.com/ed/herlihy/09ph/ibook-netbook.html While Apple might be planning to stop supporting PowerPC, one could run FreeBSD on it. Mac-Pro has good prices on used Mac laptops. A G4 PowerBook is $500 to $650 depending on what kind of burner is installed. http://www.mac-pro.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.66/.f I was just now looking into ARM netbooks. I think there's only one actual shipping model so far, but ARM shows great promise because ARM CPUs use very little power. I expect there will be lots of them by the end of the year. Is there a FreeBSD ARM port? There's not one for 7.2. Mike -- Michael David Crawford mdc@prgmr.com prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 19:27:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20C7106566C for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:27:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1138FC0C for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:27:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162F616C0069; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:27:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4OJRgKu020307; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:27:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:27:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Michael David Crawford Message-Id: <20090524212742.5e9b3e3d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4A1999D1.5010508@prgmr.com> References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1999D1.5010508@prgmr.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:27:52 -0000 On Sun, 24 May 2009 12:02:41 -0700, Michael David Crawford wrote: > Mac-Pro has good prices on used Mac laptops. A G4 PowerBook is $500 to > $650 depending on what kind of burner is installed. > > http://www.mac-pro.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.66/.f Hmmm... I still think about reviving my iBook G4, maybe it gives a good Netbook-lookalike. :-) > I was just now looking into ARM netbooks. I think there's only one > actual shipping model so far, but ARM shows great promise because ARM > CPUs use very little power. I expect there will be lots of them by the > end of the year. Thre has been an interesting article on OSNews lately: http://www.osnews.com/story/21530/The_Loongson-2_MIPS_Lemote_Yeeloong_Netbook Maybe this is interesting, too. > Is there a FreeBSD ARM port? There's not one for 7.2. I'm not aware of one, but I think NetBSD has it. But finally, NetBSD isn't FreeBSD. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 19:30:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579191065670 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:30:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FAD8FC14 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4OJU4u2033336; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:30:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4OJU4t8033333; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:30:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:30:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Michael David Crawford In-Reply-To: <4A1999D1.5010508@prgmr.com> Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1999D1.5010508@prgmr.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:30:15 -0000 > I was just now looking into ARM netbooks. I think there's only one actual > shipping model so far, but ARM shows great promise because ARM CPUs use very > little power. I expect there will be lots of them by the end of the year. > > Is there a FreeBSD ARM port? There's not one for 7.2. there are for some ARM CPUs in source tree. > > Mike > -- > Michael David Crawford > mdc@prgmr.com > > prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. > > Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 19:51:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F911065675; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joey@mingrone.org) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A918FC2B; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joey@mingrone.org) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1652743yxb.13 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:51:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.136.1 with SMTP id o1mr12614565ybn.100.1243193057139; Sun, 24 May 2009 12:24:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49F89B9C.7040504@rawbw.com> References: <49F89B9C.7040504@rawbw.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:24:17 -0300 Message-ID: From: Joey Mingrone To: yuri@rawbw.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, beech@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem calling through skype X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:51:11 -0000 On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 15:25, Yuri wrote: > Beginning from some recent ports update (? maybe) I get a problem making > voice calls with Skype. > Symptoms are: > All calls disconnect after exactly one minute. > Time counter on top of the window runs slow. Like one second per 7 real > seconds. > > Version is 2.0.0.72 but it used to work ok for a long time so it doesn't > seem to be related to version. > It's either something with update of other packages, or some change in > protocol not well taken by linux skype run on freebsd. > > Anyone sees similar problem? > Yes, I've seen the same behaviour. Also, trying to play the voicemail greeting is messed up. It's very choppy and distorted. Did anyone find any clues? Joey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 20:06:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EDD106566B; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:06:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0568FC0C; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:06:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (ppp-71-139-35-171.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [71.139.35.171]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4OK6RTK085274; Sun, 24 May 2009 13:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A19A8C2.2060704@rawbw.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:06:26 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090419) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joey Mingrone References: <49F89B9C.7040504@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, beech@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem calling through skype X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:06:29 -0000 Joey Mingrone wrote: > Yes, I've seen the same behaviour. Also, trying to play the voicemail > greeting is messed up. It's very choppy and distorted. > > Did anyone find any clues? > > Joey > This has been fixed in current. See http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=134251 I don't know why this patch wasn't merged into 7.2. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 21:21:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04861065674 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B932F8FC14 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:21:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4OLL93r033522; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:21:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4OLL8i2033519; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:21:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:21:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090524212742.5e9b3e3d.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1999D1.5010508@prgmr.com> <20090524212742.5e9b3e3d.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Michael David Crawford Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:21:28 -0000 > >> Is there a FreeBSD ARM port? There's not one for 7.2. > > I'm not aware of one, but I think NetBSD has it. But > finally, NetBSD isn't FreeBSD. :-) quite a big difference. was enough for me to switch to FreeBSD some time ago. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 23:31:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FCF106567A for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:31:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from catch.all@marketmentat.com) Received: from mars.hostupon.com (mars.hostupon.com [67.228.194.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53B18FC20 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:31:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from catch.all@marketmentat.com) Received: from [58.165.26.247] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mars.hostupon.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8N9k-0007ME-Tg; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:31:15 -0500 From: GT To: Tim Judd In-Reply-To: References: <1243136795.29198.42.camel@ubuntu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:31:01 +1000 Message-Id: <1243207862.11905.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mars.hostupon.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marketmentat.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crontab for different ime zones X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sarah.Varney@marketmentat.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:31:18 -0000 On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 23:41 -0600, Tim Judd wrote: > > > > > I propose the following: > cron itself has no concept of timezone. it is 'date' that is picking up > TZ and reporting as such. Cron's job is so simple is that it wakes up each > minute to see if it has work to do, regardless of timezone, or anything > else. > Yep - I understood that, Tim. Thew issue seems to be that cron pays no attention to TZ declarations that happen AFTER it wakes up - cron does not parse the job times using the new TZ. The thing I am struggling with is that 'date' picks up the changes imposed by 'TZ=', but then 'cron' parses the next line as if the job times are interpreted using the server's default TZ. I've tried using 'CRON_TZ=' as well as, and instead of, 'TZ=' - to no avail. What I thought ought to happen is this: * 'cron' wakes up; * 'cron' works through the crontab line by line; * at line 1 cron changes the TZ to America/NY; * at line 2 cron reads the job time in the context of having just been told that it's operating in the NY timezone (thus 45 13 * * * is 1:45 pm NY time); . . . * at line 15 cron is told to change the TZ to Australia/Sydney; * from line 14 onwards, 45 13 * * * is 1:45 pm SYDNEY time. . . . and so on. It seems that cron behaves as if it forgets $TZ at each newline within a given cron instance. The silly thing is, with all the time I've wasted pursuing this wild goose I could have built the required four crontabs, and written the script to swap them in and out on the appropriate dates. (Or I could have spent $100 and bought a shared-hosted server space to do the Australian-TZ stuff and given it sufficent permission to store the resultant data in y primary mySQL db...) Still, I think it's worth persevering with. I'm certain it can be done. > You might want to try some other determining factor, such as a shell > builtin. > > > Good luck. Cheers > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 24 23:53:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238CA1065672 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:53:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CED8FC16 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so2890468fxm.43 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:53:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3g+znk+0IEvHQWF0WlmDZ1Dri6uAz2Gg0HvghpO7jyI=; b=c4m7I+zYuKsHpdM+OB9X9FP34hgi3ez0FCCKJS73np+RCK0tAAA3bsiyEV66+wLOsv T5+y4hEnF+XSYNDKvrYcNiN9iWo+TJ4fmeH72EFtyxZFOfG8DTZPUqDyDCwQmiI6fvUG MlBy1CHavs5TaWCrq1mA4PCuMjImOKBWcahiM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pWZhYWFk53ph90uf1KuFjEw5dQ348I9AR5KnGgpWbvjt3I6U4i5oH00WVxW+tX8ACZ LkMk53bMRcfRrFkbwsO1r5ytSlwlzpEf7gU91Z8RWXCX8jFMaP3ffd7fBeOV0NROtAt6 y/5i51fuoPAy4AxUDqePsdnSlfmnnNGwZtj2k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.102.76 with SMTP id f12mr6327904bko.137.1243209221668; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:53:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1999D1.5010508@prgmr.com> References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1999D1.5010508@prgmr.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:53:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905241653u3bf99db8xcd1268607f813d74@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Michael David Crawford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:53:43 -0000 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Michael David Crawford wro= te: > This guy advises buying an old G4 Mac laptop to use as a netbook: > > =A0 http://lowendmac.com/ed/herlihy/09ph/ibook-netbook.html > > While Apple might be planning to stop supporting PowerPC, one could run > FreeBSD on it. > > Mac-Pro has good prices on used Mac laptops. =A0A G4 PowerBook is $500 to= $650 > depending on what kind of burner is installed. > > =A0 http://www.mac-pro.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.66/.f > > I was just now looking into ARM netbooks. =A0I think there's only one act= ual > shipping model so far, but ARM shows great promise because ARM CPUs use v= ery > little power. =A0I expect there will be lots of them by the end of the ye= ar. > > Is there a FreeBSD ARM port? There's not one for 7.2. > How did this topic get switched to netbooks? --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 00:45:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5086106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6784C8FC27 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1567425qwe.7 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:45:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=tW3c4CTjCPhqqj5ceQNy8o7ftSFFmIko055cP3ys7Mk=; b=B1QkTPlJ4qbjDEYk0XxKJgOybTENhM21U9E54OpfQ+pTZg8hDP2m3ptSLVPDu51EL/ tVzFyi1JUWTac4ulXweqOBXtP2zzcH/4qNRDSrQlSbzX3/X2j42ldBL+Quy+4d+iYMsQ NKVZJJ5iLLVA0+zhVBVsBDhNZpePfZxCigYYw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=dCwJ3FeDxpzw0Wo97B22Y8HsFXrNV+QpbFbj5Ot9+H7+zRKhiKy6QEW92PqxKkbFd9 WQZj9EkPqJzM2Txk9WaYg6NFoTpTUPOr+yxlcQEAHI0jhwbiBTldh0fKmpX6DAU3BIRy UrVX7xDWWASvRhSndfV13pz2wG8JQvL2PwijA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.72.79 with SMTP id l15mr5120498vcj.18.1243212358735; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:45:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1243207862.11905.0.camel@ubuntu> References: <1243136795.29198.42.camel@ubuntu> <1243207862.11905.0.camel@ubuntu> From: Tim Judd Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:45:38 -0600 Message-ID: To: Sarah.Varney@marketmentat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crontab for different ime zones X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:46:00 -0000 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:31 PM, GT wrote: > On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 23:41 -0600, Tim Judd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I propose the following: > > cron itself has no concept of timezone. it is 'date' that is picking > up > > TZ and reporting as such. Cron's job is so simple is that it wakes up > each > > minute to see if it has work to do, regardless of timezone, or anything > > else. > > > > Yep - I understood that, Tim. > > Thew issue seems to be that cron pays no attention to TZ declarations > that happen AFTER it wakes up - cron does not parse the job times using > the new TZ. > > The thing I am struggling with is that 'date' picks up the changes > imposed by 'TZ=', but then 'cron' parses the next line as if the job > times are interpreted using the server's default TZ. > > I've tried using 'CRON_TZ=' as well as, and instead of, 'TZ=' - to no > avail. > > > What I thought ought to happen is this: > > * 'cron' wakes up; > * 'cron' works through the crontab line by line; > * at line 1 cron changes the TZ to America/NY; > * at line 2 cron reads the job time in the context of having just been > told that it's operating in the NY timezone (thus 45 13 * * * is 1:45 pm > NY time); > . > . > . > * at line 15 cron is told to change the TZ to Australia/Sydney; > * from line 14 onwards, 45 13 * * * is 1:45 pm SYDNEY time. > . > . > . > and so on. > > > > It seems that cron behaves as if it forgets $TZ at each newline within a > given cron instance. > > The silly thing is, with all the time I've wasted pursuing this wild > goose I could have built the required four crontabs, and written the > script to swap them in and out on the appropriate dates. > > (Or I could have spent $100 and bought a shared-hosted server space to > do the Australian-TZ stuff and given it sufficent permission to store > the resultant data in y primary mySQL db...) > > Still, I think it's worth persevering with. I'm certain it can be done. > > > You might want to try some other determining factor, such as a shell > > builtin. > > > > > > Good luck. > > Cheers > How about a jail for America/NY, and a jail for AU/Sydney? that might work. --TJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 02:13:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA9E1065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f159.google.com (mail-ew0-f159.google.com [209.85.219.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224EA8FC14 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so2964004ewy.43 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:13:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wbx4K58LTqNes1vcVghFz/2qB+nLWfuJowRGCCA2nCU=; b=idpEj7s0txVsiACgMVD4GcY6CQGNhRZRpIb28/3tbL4OaI+nCUo/dAI81eIiVdD8lL IqTH740xPPCgOpBwlHR74hdoOUeDBoIB0SH39g28iY1q+AZAc6hMz6XaAo+Fk8GeVtt0 aOe2gy1AgIIMK6Wz7KcJ8XEUngcySM8Antt2E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fOu1TpXgT7L8OBjk+KQWz9RcSD43WFMOGVDVpA1FtAj00t+VmweXSbV/2VwFLXqkiT oXKBngpFaUljYnOQXRMVwA3xMh6a4QGggM06ahWTI6N+fdEuSnwqWleLYcJ3+SgFfl4B BlZhl3h1prTUpnQC0gl2Gp3UxC8wCYYtfsVVY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.52.204 with SMTP id e54mr1243939wec.171.1243217596107; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:13:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090524123153.GF10317@ismet.erje.net> References: <20090524123153.GF10317@ismet.erje.net> From: APseudoUtopia Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <27ade5280905241912t8bbdecer84f52b17038e80d4@mail.gmail.com> To: Robert Joosten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: silly Q: any script running before make install /w ports ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:13:17 -0000 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Robert Joosten wrote: > Hi, > > I have a standard umask of 0077 on a box. > > I grabbed irssi from ports, but he doesn't connect to any irc server... > running it as root will. Now I suspect that umask setting of mine. > > That leaves me with a silly question: is there any script running before I > enter 'make install' ? I cannot find it in the dev. section of the > handbook about creating ports. > > Regards, > Robert I've had the same problem. Not with irssi, but with other pieces of software from the ports collection. I've just gotten into the habit of running `umask 0022` before I use portmaster, then `umask 0077` afterwords. I don't think there's any way to automatically run a certain command/script before compiling or installing a port. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 02:21:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A719B106566C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:21:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from catch.all@marketmentat.com) Received: from mars.hostupon.com (mars.hostupon.com [67.228.194.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835808FC12 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:21:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from catch.all@marketmentat.com) Received: from [58.165.26.247] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mars.hostupon.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Po4-0007nW-Dn; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:21:14 -0500 From: GT To: Tim Judd In-Reply-To: References: <1243136795.29198.42.camel@ubuntu> <1243207862.11905.0.camel@ubuntu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:20:48 +1000 Message-Id: <1243218048.19375.85.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mars.hostupon.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marketmentat.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crontab for different ime zones X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:21:17 -0000 On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 18:45 -0600, Tim Judd wrote: > How about a jail for America/NY, and a jail for AU/Sydney? that might > work. > > > --TJ > That's a good solution, but I am still somewhat puzzled by cron's behaviour relative to what I expected from the man page. >From the man page for crontab(8): "In order to provide finer control over when jobs execute, users can also set the environment variables CRON_TZ and CRON_WITHIN. The CRON_TZ variable can be set to an alternate time zone in order to affect when the job is run. Note that this only affects the scheduling of the job, not the time zone that the job perceives when it is run. If CRON_TZ is defined but empty (CRON_TZ=""), jobs are scheduled with respect to the local time zone." Problem is, CRON_TZ just doesn't work as written above. If you insert CRON_TZ=America/New_York and then write the * * * * * (schedule) to reflect NY time (say), but your server time is Chicago, cron ignores the CRON_TZ definition. Here's a CRONTAB extract which provides a good example of the odd behaviour: # ----- sample crontab # change tz and cron_tz to America/NY TZ=America/New_York CRON_TZ=America/New_York # check that timezone change 'stuck' (commented out except for testing) * * * * * printf "CRON_TZ is now "$CRON_TZ". Now doing US\n" >> /home/targetdir/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 * * * * * date >> /home/targetdir/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 # Now, change both TZs to Australia/Sydney TZ=Australia/Sydney CRON_TZ=Australia/Sydney # check that timezone change 'stuck' (commented out except for testing) * * * * * printf "CRON_TZ is now "$CRON_TZ". Now doing Australia\n" >> /home/targetdir/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 * * * * * date >> /home/targetdir/public_html/tmp/log.txt 2>&1 # ----- end sample crontab The result of that will be Mon May 25 11:02:01 EST 2009 CRON_TZ is now Australia/Sydney. Now doing Australia Sun May 24 21:02:01 EDT 2009 CRON_TZ is now America/New_York. Now doing US 'date' is right, and $CRON_TZ changes as expected, but has no effect in cron. One other thing strikes me as odd: the output file is in reverse order to the crontab. If changes to CRON_TZ actually worked as written, then one would need to verify that the changes propagated 'downstream' from the variable declaration. It's not that output is being written to the top of the outfile though - output in subsequent minutes is APPENDED to the outfile. And now for the big "DUH, I'm an idiot" moment - apparently FreeBSD, Fedora and Ubuntu don't have CRON_TZ support built in. It's gotten to the stage where you have to be wary of what you find in external man pages... Cheers GT From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 03:57:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160D71065672 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40388FC12 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518E19BF59 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [192.168.2.3]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 49AA2164B57 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1A170E.6090803@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:57:02 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090122) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <4A0B742C.10006@mykitchentable.net> In-Reply-To: <4A0B742C.10006@mykitchentable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Errors Installing ca_root_nss Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 03:57:07 -0000 Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I'm using FBSD 6x. It's been a while since I upgraded ports. One of > the ports to upgrade is curl from 7.18.0 to 7.19.4. It wants to pull > in security/ca_root_nss. This port gets a bunch of errors when > attempting to install. Here is an example: > > Error configuring OpenSSL > 40358:error:260AB089:engine routines:ENGINE_ctrl_cmd_string:invalid > cmd > name:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/engine/eng_ctrl.c:318: > > 40358:error:0E07406D:configuration file > routines:CONF_modules_load:module initialization > error:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/conf/conf_mod.c:234:module=engines, > value=openssl_engines, retcode=-1 > > I had been using openssl from the base system but tried installing > from ports (0.9.8k) to see if it helped. It did not. Should I leave > or remove openssl from ports? If I leave it, is there anything I need > to do so it does not conflict with the base system? > > And regarding ca_root_nss, what must I do to get that installed? I'm still having this problem and can't find a solution anywhere. And now I need to install php5-curl which also needs ca_root_nss. Any ideas? Thanks, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 05:28:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AF8106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:28:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC638FC3E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so4378346qyk.3 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:28:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=GSKfF6r3Blfnbrr9VUTjW50bYpODTyE3CWShXPLAHrE=; b=SKJaoJxoRyr/a8KDNSQZpHsLTTBnPxFth8kMtNvWcrHqaLKbPJSldTl57m9NwbG/VL tyqd8n4NvVgn01Mj5y0pGT1A8VV/73Onp/rDISAOW/1mTP2O9BgWIrLEDZbagMfTQSxH sLx1r5lOjyUChT1hyJmc9o6SdhNu3hcc+Yte8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=VMEVKFjh7fQKve6QJpXN0Wp+q8MVcAZys3g1pyjtCrsmBosBv5D085gluGd+KFhT3J RNfCk+X+h3AcZydF8Ia8ydq5c7WPO1eZQUcOw5be2RYNYwBBVbiRWuuL46OTaPC1wl9H 0447kN1edrDmqRzCAw3GnMInaeT4Ir76VS5zk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.81.74 with SMTP id w10mr5159193vck.29.1243229303144; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:28:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1A170E.6090803@mykitchentable.net> References: <4A0B742C.10006@mykitchentable.net> <4A1A170E.6090803@mykitchentable.net> From: Tim Judd Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:28:03 -0600 Message-ID: To: Drew Tomlinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Errors Installing ca_root_nss Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 05:28:25 -0000 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > I'm using FBSD 6x. It's been a while since I upgraded ports. One of > > the ports to upgrade is curl from 7.18.0 to 7.19.4. It wants to pull > > in security/ca_root_nss. This port gets a bunch of errors when > > attempting to install. Here is an example: > > > > Error configuring OpenSSL > > 40358:error:260AB089:engine routines:ENGINE_ctrl_cmd_string:invalid > > cmd > > > name:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/engine/eng_ctrl.c:318: > > > > 40358:error:0E07406D:configuration file > > routines:CONF_modules_load:module initialization > > > error:/usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/conf/conf_mod.c:234:module=engines, > > value=openssl_engines, retcode=-1 > > > > I had been using openssl from the base system but tried installing > > from ports (0.9.8k) to see if it helped. It did not. Should I leave > > or remove openssl from ports? If I leave it, is there anything I need > > to do so it does not conflict with the base system? > > > > And regarding ca_root_nss, what must I do to get that installed? > I'm still having this problem and can't find a solution anywhere. And > now I need to install php5-curl which also needs ca_root_nss. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Drew > Ports are guaranteed to work only on the current releases of FreeBSD. See http://www.freebsd.org/ports for the paragraph I take that from. Your options are to try to use packages (unsupported), updating to a supported FreeBSD system and then updating all your ports. There is an advantage to keeping up-to-date. Sorry I didn't have good news. Update and try again. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 05:57:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B71C106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461608FC1D for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1615784qwe.7 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:57:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UIP4egCm42g5ULX5c7dX5v4pY6EnzKusMxwozefRJ5s=; b=USv7lwpC2O3+2HmzE0ycDz1ZYdIZHHdBTolPscSeVBx7W0a799/6fh2au3OcyvbxYe rFR8c8U2wm2LOI5TDZud+km3ZLjPNk5ogCroWhJCUSd6VM+HmnIqUNSDvTnRLnMU/JM/ cfpPR3BjHqjhLHbr1OGqsZBFwIvEJVDlTbaFs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=KoY4FtJhRHaulMSP97eSlOqEkRmBAiYt/xAt8shKtiSjAHdDcmm4aHbj1DC689QOxl maGt7j8eyH5S8SP4oIgXTqdqEQpPQrMn2GaeCNxZP0bdXAvrWcRR4OeyBggHRXGJm7pt b8OJ2KxJdr14blHyCcr4P7E3z/MocAek4e3ow= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.80.78 with SMTP id s14mr1914043qck.101.1243231055656; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:57:35 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 05:57:36 -0000 Are there any secure openssl symmetric encryption routines that *don't* use a salt? Is it secure to use a random-but-fixed salt (openssl enc -S salt)? "man enc" says "This option [-salt] should ALWAYS be used [...]" Reason I ask: I was using this command to backup files using compression/encryption: bzip2 -k -c original | openssl enc -bf -pass file:passfile > encfile and was surprised that doing this to identical files yielded different results. I then realized "openssl enc" randomly(?) chooses a salt if you don't supply one. I want my backups encrypted, but I also want identical files to encrypt identically. Thoughts? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 05:59:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C202F1065672 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAD98FC0C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1615967qwe.7 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:59:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=P5a7V4089foy0YDen/NP3MqNXl4OeC2KTtufygaZXlI=; b=Vs0sAsydfuW2nnWJAS59AsipEmzg0fHrm5TkzKpV4n4Xu4QZTC+24iMDJfNaRvPmnv orwnoPWG0HmsS0qL1BBfvArWGd4pLwdfPfR+b9gviwx4367i32nZelTD+QMgK1qxzdaC +YLPOzRdveLX2/ShJ3xjtqbq41VL172V9HqfM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=EOLoCNoMOBHbwJkmzEJeJIvqGRJZHLBbMBWJmdPIulpihAFM2y1DKIcv2nC3VeAGki f03k3USYyzbUgBbdaTtFVSZ0SHJ1+kzETTqrGEd4kF3aPt8Ha2LiWCRrPc6W4wA16XTE 55JCAwv0yOKj+sFtydrYAie13oy3qsrEfF2EM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.80.78 with SMTP id s14mr1914237qck.101.1243231150153; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:59:10 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905242259s75b94c92s19abf50933979a79@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ps says process has been running for 49710 days X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 05:59:12 -0000 I use "/bin/ps -www -ax -eo 'pid etime args'" to see how long a process has been running. This usually works fine, but I sometimes see things like: 17469 49710-06:28:15 /usr/bin/fly -q -i [...] indicating a process has been running for 49710+ days. I originally thought that was the time from the Unix epoch, but it's actually near 13 Dec 1901. I can easily workaround this, but was curious if anyone knew more about it? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 06:27:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FCD1065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:27:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CFEF28FC19 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: (qmail 14670 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 06:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.90) with ESMTP; 25 May 2009 06:00:52 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:00:50 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Watchdog timer Thread-Index: Acnc/igIZVaR+wsoQbiHTpdM46q7Mw== From: "Peter Steele" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Watchdog timer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 06:27:33 -0000 What's the proper way to configure the watchdog timer service so that a system will automatically reboot after five minutes of non-responsiveness? I tried setting watchdog to run with the args "-s 10 -t 300", but I've seen systems reboot after only a few seconds of inactivity (such as being hung on an I/O wait) instead of the full five minutes specified by the -t option. What am I missing? =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 06:34:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A391065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED0D8FC32 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:33:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so4402613qyk.3 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=AHEgf4HydGYfq6Hel4c0J86PBV7ef+N9mxQ1pT9B6ww=; b=V40MTibN8bQB/tGyCNjf9Qp2fE5j8ZVHBZvWvw0n4FwgyKBc64b2nWRzXR+A/nm5yQ hWmWeah9RwMCLk//vuGfLO15+JmRJ/QirtTqrjpK0Xmo+IkQrP8XAc85iqyvvHoXweLs rSMju/Y7HYrI+foQI+Cwg7qIQwNZmR+3v/McU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=IXFSeEjB7MAMceRhD0pVgHPw5iHFpQ7XV9FLCIhHt7Fl0ErpRD3auIQanPzl/dW+R2 sobQWHYrjglaAC2Q6DNjOcAFZLwgcPbxA3Xqh+PMoQnKA86FViqSNWh3MIDbo3d4PiFk L8QD0qLadlclbKIi8GCFjDqmoEYoN+D/QTo+k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.97.210 with SMTP id m18mr5121073vcn.50.1243233239188; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <26face530905242259s75b94c92s19abf50933979a79@mail.gmail.com> References: <26face530905242259s75b94c92s19abf50933979a79@mail.gmail.com> From: Tim Judd Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:33:39 -0600 Message-ID: To: Kelly Jones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ps says process has been running for 49710 days X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 06:34:00 -0000 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Kelly Jones wrote: > I use "/bin/ps -www -ax -eo 'pid etime args'" to see how long a > process has been running. This usually works fine, but I sometimes see > things like: > > 17469 49710-06:28:15 /usr/bin/fly -q -i [...] > > indicating a process has been running for 49710+ days. > > I originally thought that was the time from the Unix epoch, but it's > actually near 13 Dec 1901. > > I can easily workaround this, but was curious if anyone knew more about it? > I use PC Engines ALIX boards who don't have a CMOS battery to keep hardware clock on times there is no power on the board. Because of that you have to set the clock on bootup by some means such as ntpd or ntpdate. If a shell is currently open when the time is set, you get some weird numbers too. So my question to you is if this is a board that has the same hardware problems? Is it a bad RTC that prevents accurate timekeeping? need to tune kern.clockrate? tune kern.timecounter.choice? Good luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 06:40:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED21106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03098FC28 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:39:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1621412qwe.7 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:39:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B2/BYGc33sd7BnUbdREisoYXBstgAKLTd1Wf6/94g5I=; b=fio2syHHjESZ6a+70QkcysGBh29e9mNg4pLdCoP1+Efs9aDyqnT6hhmKRo1NJXroF/ DT7Gi53OMLE4BO3NP2dIwExDP/Cduj73KmorZfptrErfjIzXzYdpcH6chwPSHAj4+KR3 xWNW2IgUb7AKGaXmQwu0mQ37ripGZQSwBafP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=WjMTaI6aQRiQvLQ9KDDanZO5uA9ViPbFKzSma0rXdjX/oKyuQF1cQPjnpaG+YdWiVB WdJGGeD2EdF2sqvtEzLO0cU9u/27gaJxPYBSuBkq+qb2P/m2mODg9SsnoOqTs+qV7Cdp m+ZwLGgBRuPaaRE9DICqBNfPniDI6xarNDUBs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.97.202 with SMTP id m10mr1784271qcn.77.1243233597555; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:39:57 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905242339g448b7047s72fcff768a2346f1@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Using rsync for versioned backups without --backup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 06:40:01 -0000 I want to use rsync to backup a large file (say 1G) that changes a little each day (say 1M), but I also want the ability to re-create older versions of this file. I could use --backup, but that would create a 1G file each day, even though I only "really" need the 1M that's changed. How do I tell rsync: "while updating, also store the changes you'd need to convert today's backup into yesterday's backup"? I realize I could use diff or something, but since rsync has to calculate minimal changes anyway, it'd be nice to store them. I thought the --itemize-changes option might do this, but no. -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 06:57:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D949A106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9671B8FC1C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so4411567qyk.3 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:56:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ekSFHERU6c5UAwffBs33MDccYuI0XNHzWmR/Ugtbz/Q=; b=ELpRiw+P+VRpcAAPsv8nk7c1QJl4MgZEcA/RRo7WWzSWYUumVyj+6qNn4ssZkf3+O3 /ZLlmO/JQxflImmsLOXOvvbJsIYKOAcGJyqwCDkEpPssrpqySr73sqtWiKT2PHptuSO6 YKgPY/TVjYtWlGLxJBkp4Zdkr8nJ/NNlWRfmA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=B/VxZyffjVUiKz4/b4njU2/1IWGRgqjc1MFdzORzSv+ohFjJ5swnnJlYsWVDjH+xJs /08EvMiVCOosfZuQYF+I9Ku9ky3QkEBVJwTDlUNZ+GFmrUbBP3te43h4jH/GOluOnBZx aZlPYu6uODZL+8LCGj3dYbQlF3vLQ4whxi0CQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.77 with SMTP id x13mr1981291qcn.105.1243234619838; Sun, 24 May 2009 23:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:56:59 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905242356ucbf7722kaf67d6f730d2630f@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: What do ASCII codes 128-159 stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 06:57:01 -0000 "man ascii" defines the ASCII codes from 0-127, and the various ISO-8859-x tables define the ASCII codes from 160-255 (depending on your character set), but are there standard representations for the ASCII codes between 128 and 159 inclusive? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 07:17:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5924106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:17:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8B98FC0C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:17:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4P7GM52015600; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:16:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:16:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200905250716.n4P7GMM4015599@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Wojciech Puchar Cc: Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:17:19 -0000 On Sun, 24 May 2009 20:22:37 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote, *again* without attribution: >> From the glossary (p. 630) of _The_Design_and_Implementation_of_the >> _FreeBSD_Operating_System_ by McKusick and Neville-Neil: >> >> load average A measure of CPU load on the system. The load average >> in FreeBSD is an average of the number of processes ready to >> run or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O to >> complete, as sampled once per second over the previous one- >> minute interval of system operation. >> >so this glossary should be fixed because it's nonsense. > >first - says that it's measure of CPU load >then - "or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O" - which is NOT >measure of CPU load. You are mistaken. I think what you are referring to is the percentage of CPU usage, not CPU load. Note that CPU usage can never exceed 100% per CPU, laying aside confusion over application of this term to hyperthreading chips, whereas CPU load obviously can be much higher. It might help you to think of "CPU load" as "CPU commitment". If you wish to design an operating system and then write its documentation, you will, of course, be free to define terms relating to your system in whatever manner you like. However, the authors of the book are not only among the architects of FreeBSD, but also 4.?BSD UNIX and possibly earlier versions of BSD UNIX. They have been good enough to document what they have done and to define what they mean by terms used in that documentation and throughout the system, which most of the non-self-righteously arrogant members of the community appreciate. Treat the information in this book as having come from the horses' mouths, excepting only those parts that have been added/ changed/deleted since FreeBSD 5.2. FWIW, the concept of load average in UNIX is quite old. I don't know exactly how old it is, but it may date back to 7th Ed. UNIX from AT&T or even earlier. BSD UNIX branched off about that time or possibly 6th Ed. The definition of load average cited above is essentially the average length of the queue of runnable processes (including those that are currently running) plus the processes expected to be runnable in the immediate future, e.g., much sooner than a hypothetical process that has been swapped out could be made runnable. Scott Bennett, Comm. 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John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 07:30:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8041065675 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:30:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronnyma@volatile-norway.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f165.google.com (mail-bw0-f165.google.com [209.85.218.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C0F8FC1D for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronnyma@volatile-norway.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so2981860bwz.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:30:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ronnyma@volatile-norway.com Received: by 10.204.118.69 with SMTP id u5mr6662824bkq.77.1243236645865; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:30:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <26face530905242356ucbf7722kaf67d6f730d2630f@mail.gmail.com> References: <26face530905242356ucbf7722kaf67d6f730d2630f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:30:45 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b4bdbafde2e913ee Message-ID: From: Ronny Mandal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.orgKelly Jones" Subject: Re: What do ASCII codes 128-159 stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:30:48 -0000 Maybe you're looking for this? http://www.petefreitag.com/cheatsheets/ascii-codes/ This one is quite specific, though... http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm Regards, Ronny Mandal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 07:45:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A4F1065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:45:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4427F8FC13 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:45:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id 89E0316CCD1; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:45:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.97]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BD7E116CCB2; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:45:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:42:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:42:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Kelly Jones In-Reply-To: <26face530905242356ucbf7722kaf67d6f730d2630f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090525020904.U18753@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <26face530905242356ucbf7722kaf67d6f730d2630f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What do ASCII codes 128-159 stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:45:55 -0000 On Sun, 24 May 2009, Kelly Jones wrote: > "man ascii" defines the ASCII codes from 0-127, That is all the ASCII codes there are. ASCII is a a seven-bit standard. > and the various ISO-8859-x tables define the ASCII codes from 160-255 No. There is no such thing as ASCII codes from 160-255. ASCII is a 7-bit standard. You cannot express 160 in seven bits. > (depending on your character set), but are there standard representations > for the ASCII codes between 128 and 159 inclusive? No, because there are no ASCII codes between 128 and 159. ASCII is a 7-bit standard. The S in ASCII stands for Standard. So the ascii man page faithful reproduces the standard which has some weird old teletypish names for the character codes 0 to 31 (decimal). For many purposed on Unix-like systems these are known as control characters, being control-@ followed by the alphabetic control characters A-Z, and the control characters [\]^ The character codes 128-159 are the control characters with the eighth bit set. There are lots of standards for character sets. Many of them avoid mapping to this range. But there is nothing as nearly universal as ASCII, which as I have mentioned, is a seven-bit standard. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 07:50:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0CB1065705 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdc@prgmr.com) Received: from mail.prgmr.com (mail.prgmr.com [64.62.173.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37128FC2C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdc@prgmr.com) Received: from frylock.local (c-71-198-249-174.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.198.249.174]) by mail.prgmr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDB768B5F for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1A4DB3.5080401@prgmr.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:50:11 -0700 From: Michael David Crawford Organization: Prgmr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <26face530905242356ucbf7722kaf67d6f730d2630f@mail.gmail.com> <20090525020904.U18753@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> In-Reply-To: <20090525020904.U18753@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What do ASCII codes 128-159 stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:50:25 -0000 Lars Eighner wrote: > That is all the ASCII codes there are. ASCII is a a seven-bit standard. > There is no such thing as ASCII codes from 160-255. ASCII is a 7-bit > standard. You cannot express 160 in seven bits. > No, because there are no ASCII codes between 128 and 159. ASCII is a 7-bit > standard. > which as I have mentioned, is a seven-bit standard. Just to clarify, are you saying that ASCII is a 7-bit standard? Innocently, Mike -- Michael David Crawford mdc@prgmr.com prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 07:57:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746EB106566C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:57:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F340C8FC1A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:57:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M8V3g-0008F8-OQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:57:20 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:57:20 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:57:20 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:57:08 +0200 Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: <4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC82C072E671010A42972C794" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090409) In-Reply-To: <4A18BEC8.5060506@rawbw.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Sender: news Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:57:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC82C072E671010A42972C794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yuri wrote: > Look below: load over 7 and no processes take much CPU. >=20 > Yuri >=20 > 7.2-PRERELEASE, 32-bit on i7-920. >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > last pid: 93192; load averages: 7.68, 6.27,=20 > 4.61 = =20 > up 2+03:11:29 20:25:24 > 204 processes: 9 running, 193 sleeping, 1 stopped, 1 zombie > CPU: 5.3% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 94.7% idle > Mem: 867M Active, 1684M Inact, 279M Wired, 65M Cache, 112M Buf, 92M Fre= e > Swap: 16G Total, 142M Used, 16G Free Couple of possible reasons: 1) You have many short lived processes that are spawned, do some work and die (some kind of web server?). You can't see them because they live too shortly. See if the "last pid" is rapidly increasing. Also, hit "H" to display individual threads. 2) You have kernel processes that are doing some intermittent work. Hit "S" to see them. In any case, see the line where it says "9 running" processes? This is where the load average comes from. The CPU utilization is not directly related to the load average. Load average is not scaled to NCPU - a count of "7" (or in your case, aymptotically 9) means there are 7 (or 9) processes wanting to run. The "global" CPU utilization (the "CPU:" line) *is* scaled to NCPU - 100% here means all CPUs are busy all the time. Individual processes' CPU utilization *isn't* scaled to NCPU. A process taking 100% CPU on its own means it only requires / runs on 1 CPU. A multithreading process can have, for example, 400% CPU utilization and the global CPU utilization can be <=3D 100%. --------------enigC82C072E671010A42972C794 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoaT1oACgkQldnAQVacBcgs6gCgr8MBCGADFuGnDPMtQv8zq4ex nxcAn3cMNIdDzZNpA9KlB47PeAxwVjWS =2ECw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC82C072E671010A42972C794-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 08:04:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE7B1065679 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f165.google.com (mail-bw0-f165.google.com [209.85.218.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3015C8FC17 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so3000283bwz.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 01:04:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=x9b0vqVkEfB1I1igkyhpv7ryWMYsCXL3kFcTiBQZxA0=; b=RS+nSa94vneNkkSFXfwCcieZ7SPgvaLKlJmh4mB6utQp030aPqJfFH/yb/k9lgE99a NOEoiaudm1066VkMB2o05ZLv5xPY/j0YbpE+YzO8Ci/cizFvaQ6J5T5ci3KJC9mjgEJK IUzdSeQrzTDqATq0Wium8s9OhAFWnp6PX2mxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ug7GVKhkfVrztwnYzv1djE5VNcODANtFLu+8T6XtJNfiSdL1k5QJXomkwQ8Ag2JR1P Dx/yO+JTRsGSFFObI2GUxbHAaAMNFsoMdeh81OrSax53gj+Pv/a9hYBy237YCVgijoNc ZaLMDbexGxgbmRV5d4tlaqYCpFpEb0//FaIdU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.198 with SMTP id b6mr6715197bkq.115.1243238697123; Mon, 25 May 2009 01:04:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> From: Chris Rees Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:04:37 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:04:59 -0000 2009/5/24 Wojciech Puchar : >> =A0 =A0From the glossary (p. 630) of _The_Design_and_Implementation_of_t= he >> _FreeBSD_Operating_System_ by McKusick and Neville-Neil: >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0load average =A0A measure of CPU load on the system. =A0T= he load >> average >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0in FreeBSD is an average of the number of= processes ready >> to >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0run or waiting for short-term events such= as disk I/O to >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0complete, as sampled once per second over= the previous one- >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0minute interval of system operation. >> > so this glossary should be fixed because it's nonsense. > > first - says that it's measure of CPU load > then - "or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O" - which is NOT > measure of CPU load. > Er, what? Of course it is! Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 08:06:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB47106567A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronnyma@volatile-norway.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f165.google.com (mail-bw0-f165.google.com [209.85.218.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5102D8FC28 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronnyma@volatile-norway.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so3000996bwz.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 01:06:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ronnyma@volatile-norway.com Received: by 10.204.54.16 with SMTP id o16mr6624749bkg.146.1243238772159; Mon, 25 May 2009 01:06:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090525020904.U18753@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <26face530905242356ucbf7722kaf67d6f730d2630f@mail.gmail.com> <20090525020904.U18753@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:06:12 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ac3fe09bdfd7b8d5 Message-ID: From: Ronny Mandal To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kelly Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What do ASCII codes 128-159 stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:06:14 -0000 Yes, you're right; ASCII is a seven bit code. Only E-ASCII employs the 8th bit to widen the addressing space available, thus it can define more characters in binary. /RM From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 08:13:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35C110656BE for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4D78FC26 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4P8Df6G036474; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:13:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4P8Dejv036471; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:13:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:13:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Scott Bennett In-Reply-To: <200905250716.n4P7GMM4015599@mp.cs.niu.edu> Message-ID: References: <200905250716.n4P7GMM4015599@mp.cs.niu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:13:58 -0000 >> first - says that it's measure of CPU load >> then - "or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O" - which is NOT >> measure of CPU load. > > You are mistaken. I think what you are referring to is the percentage of no i'm not. doing lots of I/O and little CPU load produces high "load average". the explanation from the book is wrong. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 08:14:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2882106568F for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0481E8FC1A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4P8ECUa036487; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:14:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4P8EBpZ036484; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:14:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:14:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:14:27 -0000 >> first - says that it's measure of CPU load >> then - "or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O" - which is NOT >> measure of CPU load. >> > > Er, what? Of course it is! > amount of disk I/O is a measure of CPU load? seems you are true expert ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 08:31:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684CF106566C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@pp.dyndns.biz) Received: from proxy3.bredband.net (proxy3.bredband.net [195.54.101.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3188FC13 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:31:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@pp.dyndns.biz) Received: from ironport.bredband.com (195.54.101.120) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 49F597CD00A7FD88 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:31:02 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0GACL0GUpV4jp1PGdsb2JhbACBT4wPiXsBAQEBs2qECwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,243,1241388000"; d="scan'208";a="524658073" Received: from c-753ae255.107-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO gatekeeper.pp.dyndns.biz) ([85.226.58.117]) by ironport1.bredband.com with ESMTP; 25 May 2009 10:31:02 +0200 Received: from [192.168.69.67] (phobos [192.168.69.67]) by gatekeeper.pp.dyndns.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4P8V0NV098359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:31:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@pp.dyndns.biz) Message-ID: <4A1A5744.40307@pp.dyndns.biz> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:31:00 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Morgan_Wesstr=F6m?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090430) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <26face530905242356ucbf7722kaf67d6f730d2630f@mail.gmail.com> <20090525020904.U18753@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <4A1A4DB3.5080401@prgmr.com> In-Reply-To: <4A1A4DB3.5080401@prgmr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What do ASCII codes 128-159 stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:31:04 -0000 > Lars Eighner wrote: >> That is all the ASCII codes there are. ASCII is a a seven-bit standard. > >> There is no such thing as ASCII codes from 160-255. ASCII is a 7-bit >> standard. You cannot express 160 in seven bits. > > >> No, because there are no ASCII codes between 128 and 159. ASCII is a >> 7-bit >> standard. > >> which as I have mentioned, is a seven-bit standard. > > Just to clarify, are you saying that ASCII is a 7-bit standard? > > Innocently, > > Mike I'm almost certain I've seen this exact discussion on an episode of "Red Dwarf". ;-) Respectfully, Morgan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 08:33:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E2F1065673 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CEB8FC1D for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so3054532fxm.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 01:33:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ghq23Bxb7rzVsKbw4bxg9c5jyuNPB3f6PySQg1eexWA=; b=ffuC9/iIJ116vl+7sAtYtQ+Ac6ATs/WGSgYVnEqkxyFBZAoTiouZa5Y89LbaJzHf2A N5qdwumGHHtH/8MOhqg0NcYPrLY3hH78Z2i53s/zxV+jf9b6rW6u00kHP0Bv7iTGxM99 5PZFr5PPkDrCh35ixc+Q07kjz67Tmovb6LQDM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=j1YGjUUEmjrkQirEzv/WLISMkysT4MiDLu+PRbYeRTsQ7BkumCxE9aIFfWWz11cchg BqLblOuGuNRVdMrdHLzL9kunb6jyujKiPpvIbg4wi2h+wdWx0LO8e5A1AQ9VMd6AQVGh Jtj+X25m7ompreGNEuNXv/6esHkT514CCmQ+w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.102 with SMTP id f38mr6773961bkk.65.1243240429189; Mon, 25 May 2009 01:33:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> From: Chris Rees Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:33:29 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:33:51 -0000 2009/5/25 Wojciech Puchar : >>> first - says that it's measure of CPU load >>> then - "or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O" - which is NOT >>> measure of CPU load. >>> >> >> Er, what? Of course it is! >> > amount of disk I/O is a measure of CPU load? seems you are true expert ;) > Do you ever think before you type? You regularly fill this mailing list with crap, incorrect advice, and correcting experts on topics that you haven't got a clue on. Just google load average and see for yourself. Remember checking things before making oneself look a fool? Perhaps you used to do that at one time, most other people do. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 08:38:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D66D1065676 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17568FC14 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.140] (helo=smtp9.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Vhn-00089C-TH; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:38:47 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp9.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Vhm-0000Vs-Ni; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:38:46 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED703983B; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:38:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:38:18 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: utisoft@gmail.com References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1M8Vhm-0000Vs-Ni X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.5, required 5, BAYES_50 0.00, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Yuri Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:38:52 -0000 Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/5/25 Wojciech Puchar : >>>> first - says that it's measure of CPU load >>>> then - "or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O" - which is NOT >>>> measure of CPU load. >>>> >>> Er, what? Of course it is! >>> >> amount of disk I/O is a measure of CPU load? seems you are true expert ;) >> > > Do you ever think before you type? You regularly fill this mailing > list with crap, incorrect advice, and correcting experts on topics > that you haven't got a clue on. > > Just google load average and see for yourself. > > Remember checking things before making oneself look a fool? Perhaps > you used to do that at one time, most other people do. > > Chris > I think Wojciech means '...which is NOT measure of CPU _utilization_' In that case he's correct: whenever the CPU has to wait a lot for I/O, like network and disk, then the _load_ will go up, while the CPU _utilization_ stays low. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 08:49:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576D9106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48D48FC08 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so3063313fxm.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 01:49:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6UA0Jl6CexZwvIi3xNqvKRcbW+8ZpBd58+ajd0107t8=; b=tIMsW2SAnwj1Fi/RfFxems1wqVaykPGDSsA7sxrFNFaeMkjO8sfvGK204NWyAm5TgX 7oGOG84qKR2Szbt6eFEWjc0GfF1B2iXTOkyfqoeJ1pS9mxHmF0MjiiuUcZta3TFasNBr Zpw6qjp8NmN7MPeWQpfD13q0YBWTI7rcnkHfM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IZLGxgVDWRS6ZUXdGVzxdk4W+5UEyDUHzF6pd8IVCX06SUOEFSkFTr2jB1wOnWVIMk uyoZGRYkF4nBGxwOwhT2EfFd/r7SBlNTEOKytBRwVl4LD1WFf3laLpqpMcrndA44vkKH 11IXutZUuJbGAvycAQepe1jS5NFGrIWschzFI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.198 with SMTP id b6mr6754385bkq.115.1243241393442; Mon, 25 May 2009 01:49:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> From: Chris Rees Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:49:33 +0100 Message-ID: To: Peter Boosten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Yuri Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:49:55 -0000 2009/5/25 Peter Boosten : > Chris Rees wrote: >> 2009/5/25 Wojciech Puchar : >>>>> first - says that it's measure of CPU load >>>>> then - "or waiting for short-term events such as disk I/O" - which is NOT >>>>> measure of CPU load. >>>>> >>>> Er, what? Of course it is! >>>> >>> amount of disk I/O is a measure of CPU load? seems you are true expert ;) >>> >> >> Do you ever think before you type? You regularly fill this mailing >> list with crap, incorrect advice, and correcting experts on topics >> that you haven't got a clue on. >> >> Just google load average and see for yourself. >> >> Remember checking things before making oneself look a fool? Perhaps >> you used to do that at one time, most other people do. >> >> Chris >> > > I think Wojciech means '...which is NOT measure of CPU _utilization_' > > In that case he's correct: whenever the CPU has to wait a lot for I/O, > like network and disk, then the _load_ will go up, while the CPU > _utilization_ stays low. > > Peter > > I appreciate that while English may not be people's first language, and most have excellent skills (including Wojciech, don't get me wrong) there is still a responsibility to make sure you can be understood. He has been trying to mock me in my understanding of what he wrote: >>> amount of disk I/O is a measure of CPU load? seems you are true expert ;) If you're going to do this, you should make sure that what you WROTE, not mean, is correct. Otherwise, misinformation spreads and is saved in these archives for someone to stumble upon. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 09:12:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5CB1065673 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vehemens@verizon.net) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECF48FC1A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vehemens@verizon.net) Received: from sam ([71.106.237.37]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KK600HYZXGFM714@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:12:15 -0500 (CDT) From: vehemens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 01:15:24 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Message-id: <200905250115.24825.vehemens@verizon.net> Subject: Re: What do ASCII codes 128-159 stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:12:30 -0000 Ever wonder where we would be as a civilization if the additional codes had been used for math symbols and greek letters as used in engineering and science. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 10:55:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8A81065673 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korikov.zk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f159.google.com (mail-ew0-f159.google.com [209.85.219.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A228FC1A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 10:55:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korikov.zk@gmail.com) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so3106009ewy.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:55:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=cjzwxguUcnNBEo3Bemufd2yUsaFJZcA1X6aGb7KoOPo=; b=Flws51T/SevEF9sGN8LjD37QG20OyWlxhOKudpNZvdj00YqefVYXwZ7yaz5Cw+9rBr TOuU4uU+WLwMgPsFHTIAa19XRNbja74CD6VNBeYLuwkOKpLDfdXhCNy8DbBYiZYN6mwi DcEhA7zIg6/YM5CzR8VZCRKZkZsm53Cf2StaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=OJ3qIV3cVi05mVyszHXPDbufcxGx5Nmt4E7iuPBy2eK0n0sCQViUipASFJXm/LOA+S CH0RCXRkICyHdgIbSqub/sJtmaDpQEnFws912uKOUpiT7SVcD6e73MOKsAvMCyV4yRHJ 7tkFDavPjyrsREyvIBO/nKTQxcyjHPpbkcRp0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.50.69 with SMTP id y47mr1619215web.91.1243248942092; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:25:41 +0530 Message-ID: <717ed9590905250355o3f3b836bm9e2e5abee03d50b2@mail.gmail.com> From: Shakil Khan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: why integer size says 4 bytes on 64 bit processor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:55:44 -0000 Hi All, Pardon me if I am writing this mail to the wrong group as I am too new to BSD and programming stuff. You can redirect me to right group without howling. By seeing some recent conversations(About the top status ;)) in this group it made me nervous to ask for a silly question like this, but it intrigued my mind too much so thought to delve into it keeping aside my fear. I have a 64bit intel processor, Dual core machine and I have installed 64 bit Linux as well as FreeBSD and thought of seeing the size of integer. On both the platform my integer is showing 4 bytes which is 32 bit. I thought integer are the most basic of the data types and governs the architecture as 32 bit or 64 bit, so why integer shows me 4bytes instead of 8. Does this means that even on 64 bit architecture we are limited to just 4GB of RAM. Please explain. Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 11:10:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22ED106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9438FC12 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Y45-0000E7-9p for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:09:57 +0000 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:09:57 +0000 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:09:57 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:09:52 +0200 Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <717ed9590905250355o3f3b836bm9e2e5abee03d50b2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigEE936056BAC8F85DB4670547" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090409) In-Reply-To: <717ed9590905250355o3f3b836bm9e2e5abee03d50b2@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Sender: news Subject: Re: why integer size says 4 bytes on 64 bit processor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:10:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigEE936056BAC8F85DB4670547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shakil Khan wrote: > Hi All, >=20 > Pardon me if I am writing this mail to the wrong group as I am too new = to > BSD and programming stuff. You can redirect me to right group without > howling. By seeing some recent conversations(About the top status ;)) i= n > this group it made me nervous to ask for a silly question like this, bu= t it > intrigued my mind too much so thought to delve into it keeping aside my= > fear. >=20 > I have a 64bit intel processor, Dual core machine and I have installed = 64 > bit Linux as well as FreeBSD and thought of seeing the size of integer.= On > both the platform my integer is showing 4 bytes which is 32 bit. I thou= ght > integer are the most basic of the data types and governs the architectu= re as > 32 bit or 64 bit, so why integer shows me 4bytes instead of 8. Does thi= s > means that even on 64 bit architecture we are limited to just 4GB of RA= M. Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Specific_data_models FreeBSD and Linux use the LP64 model. --------------enigEE936056BAC8F85DB4670547 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoafIAACgkQldnAQVacBcgVKgCgtB9a2VrdgBBXC0f4Z1J+4NLQ wNUAnRMCW/A9Kv+gZ2+Z0SWx7mRo9gq9 =aHnr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigEE936056BAC8F85DB4670547-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 11:17:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3141065B4E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:17:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 817588FC24 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65757 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2009 10:51:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243248662; bh=Tvj/n2w4Q3dl1febbumAdcJzAKX7eHS1fPDCn1ra3vA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BglAtM/O+K8HKKQ//8XAucvPve5zbp6+U6SyxtCTs4dwl7ZlzNW4bMLn9u2B/kjxb9/JiLfhs8xI7Dity3EyyOWfzdJfe+nhJafDGp+7Q7LLwmBX8DNFjJoTb8KB5KNOCLmh+/MiXDg0MhIhs3iVRjvdObbahHIwrBIJSFm0JYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K6B/7+Gc3zNRcvZiP45uL4XCsBX6BgyiWHcJk1/a+UZGb18qW54UrXKEi3yCIKQBu/YNAbYIYRbEBp9x0ypWTDXjBXAjdoA0Uw3DPlcVZQVm9XVoG+Ta0bOwP9EFapHJMD4ASoaRbg7LyumdL2kjF4OV2ivAIRFr1iXy6gDgn0c=; Message-ID: <898369.52568.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lUvicZEVM1meRR_t_o_Nr573XrQWhEHaHzAtydXAMHnOnn.tX9ickuWYP57zhksB4T9_KrV1Sr8qUQjNTvQzX1PPQ9OOBQ5pSIcGjWoZVSGVe1cnzFZ_5DdtJHq2zPyym6oAdCkouCXXhaoeTuvBgDpRf8h1q8IwWWCmHLqAOjyrV_cwhL0CEWA9_1mft7CCh8cZlYs2JIIQOSixRQ.TXLGEPRsRfucY1hYePVaH_H6.rk08R6MJS_4hA7Z4HeWjOUK5MpUxj0T1zuu5nk6OhTop5GKBlqoIH9mQ6683BNC7D2idco4- Received: from [220.255.7.203] by web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:51:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 03:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: How to say this in Bash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:18:04 -0000 Dear all This may be slightly OT, but I'm using on a FreeBSD machine. How to convert following into bash style? echo "${X}" > ${Z} echo "${Y}" >> ${Z} Best regards Unga From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 11:47:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7D8106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gdakos@enovation.gr) Received: from server.8com.gr (server.8com.gr [213.163.64.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523BE8FC0C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:47:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gdakos@enovation.gr) Received: from john ([83.235.249.6]) by server.8com.gr (IceWarp 9.1.0) with ESMTP id GQH67220 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:34:20 +0300 From: "John Dakos [ Enovation Technologies ]" To: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:34:23 +0300 Message-ID: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcndLMAl5f/q6zveQ6S6zQ87lnAskQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:47:50 -0000 Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I will appreciate Thanks all John Dakos Network Administrator Enovation Technologies Filellinon 35, Chalandrion 15232 Athens, GREECE Tel: +30-210 811 9673 Mob: +30-6979348082 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 11:48:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F808106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DA48FC1D for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:48:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M8YfF-0002AF-Gy for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:48:21 +0000 Received: from pool-70-21-26-233.res.east.verizon.net ([70.21.26.233]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:48:21 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-70-21-26-233.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:48:21 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:49:46 -0400 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <717ed9590905250355o3f3b836bm9e2e5abee03d50b2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-70-21-26-233.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: why integer size says 4 bytes on 64 bit processor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:48:25 -0000 Shakil Khan wrote: > Hi All, > > Pardon me if I am writing this mail to the wrong group as I am too new to > BSD and programming stuff. You can redirect me to right group without > howling. By seeing some recent conversations(About the top status ;)) in > this group it made me nervous to ask for a silly question like this, but > it intrigued my mind too much so thought to delve into it keeping aside my > fear. > > I have a 64bit intel processor, Dual core machine and I have installed 64 > bit Linux as well as FreeBSD and thought of seeing the size of integer. On > both the platform my integer is showing 4 bytes which is 32 bit. I thought > integer are the most basic of the data types and governs the architecture > as 32 bit or 64 bit, so why integer shows me 4bytes instead of 8. Does > this means that even on 64 bit architecture we are limited to just 4GB of > RAM. > No, because INT is not the only variable type available for numerical operations. Long and Long Long are 64 bits, and utilizing these types allows for larger than 4GB RAM addressing. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 11:53:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06799106568C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:53:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92B98FC1A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:53:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F23B8033; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:53:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1243252421; bh=trtgC6iwWdyOLa5/q7O6HYTegx1SxEnjDd+2W9vl+7Y=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pgl6ZHt68s95d4wflNSVuc9LF+oVunflD4wTWp8gmV3FXsYs1kK91Qt8U+F67o+Mh hOHmf1ASrMGNO+nIhMTIfA/leBitvPhlX/xVtOk/JLBqYm3KZXLW+ysOJE57LuPiJ3 TB6MGx4fNCrfsxDlmPE4VlaiZkFqjnqYvkcmT9B8= Received: from relay.lc-words.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.lc-words.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35877-08; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:53:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0B3B8030; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:53:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 79.186.233.76 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:53:40 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:53:40 +0200 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "John Dakos [ Enovation Technologies ]" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:53:10 -0000 Hello, > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, > > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 11:58:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78EB106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511EB8FC19 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from w2003s01.double-l.local (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4PBw7wd045176; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:58:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:58:07 +0200 Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE895@w2003s01.double-l.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail Thread-Index: AcndLMAl5f/q6zveQ6S6zQ87lnAskQAAtAEg References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> From: "Johan Hendriks" To: "John Dakos [ Enovation Technologies ]" X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:58:20 -0000 >Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, >Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail >I will appreciate >Thanks all A good combination for webmail is: Postfix as MTA Dovecot as IMAP / POP3 server Postfixadmin for webbased management. Mysql or postgresql for the database. and a webmail client. This can be roundcube, squirrelmail, imp (from Horde) and so on. Regards, Johan=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 John Dakos Network Administrator Enovation Technologies Filellinon 35, Chalandrion 15232 Athens, GREECE Tel: +30-210 811 9673 Mob: +30-6979348082 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: = 05/24/09 07:09:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: = 05/24/09 07:09:00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 12:00:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465E11065694 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980818FC1B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PC0SCB084922; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:00:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4PC0SCB084922 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243252830; bh=5B8gFr3y7cDJ+9IQyqydqRaknp/1ecVW0w90DXy/4pQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A1A8854.2010306@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20M on,=2025=20May=202009=2013:00:20=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Shakil=20Khan=20|CC:=20free bsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20why=20integer=20size=20 says=204=20bytes=20on=2064=20bit=20processor|References:=20<717ed9 590905250355o3f3b836bm9e2e5abee03d50b2@mail.gmail.com>|In-Reply-To :=20<717ed9590905250355o3f3b836bm9e2e5abee03d50b2@mail.gmail.com>| X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=2 0micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signat ure"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig07E367EEFA40A5CA0A3D51 56"; b=cPyv+GY1TGsstHOb2ow+atYbN8PJF1RejsKQ0NGgvBrXjrHVPxHag8I0tFDQkXLKu 81UvTh5rD/KB57MkCXPKG1OUfKso/vVsssYxk9ORRnemPASTgJsPT7qvpjGxSOscFb H0w40GIezTTmOWCDXjsY7DHUOdH8pU6Gc5A/j00s= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A1A8854.2010306@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:00:20 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shakil Khan References: <717ed9590905250355o3f3b836bm9e2e5abee03d50b2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <717ed9590905250355o3f3b836bm9e2e5abee03d50b2@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig07E367EEFA40A5CA0A3D5156" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why integer size says 4 bytes on 64 bit processor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:00:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig07E367EEFA40A5CA0A3D5156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shakil Khan wrote: > Pardon me if I am writing this mail to the wrong group as I am too new = to > BSD and programming stuff. You can redirect me to right group without > howling. By seeing some recent conversations(About the top status ;)) i= n > this group it made me nervous to ask for a silly question like this, bu= t it > intrigued my mind too much so thought to delve into it keeping aside my= > fear. If you're not sure which is the right list, then questions@.... is a good= place to start. I'd hope no one would fear to ask what they needed to know in = this list, or it will have become pretty useless for its intended function. =20 > I have a 64bit intel processor, Dual core machine and I have installed = 64 > bit Linux as well as FreeBSD and thought of seeing the size of integer.= On > both the platform my integer is showing 4 bytes which is 32 bit. I thou= ght > integer are the most basic of the data types and governs the architectu= re as > 32 bit or 64 bit, so why integer shows me 4bytes instead of 8. Does thi= s > means that even on 64 bit architecture we are limited to just 4GB of RA= M. Not at all. 'int' is just one of the basic types mandated by the various= C specifications over the years. There are 4 basic integer types -- toge= ther with their unsigned counterparts: char unsigned char --- usually 1 byte[*]. short unsigned short --- usually 2 bytes int unsigned --- usually 4 bytes long unsigned long --- nowadays usually 8 bytes Now, the C standards only require that the lengths of these types fulfil the following condition: short <=3D int <=3D long and there are some older CPU architectures where short and int are 2 byte= s and long is 4 bytes, but those are exceedingly rare nowadays and you won'= t run into anything like that unless you work on embedded systems. In general the sizes above are what pretty much all current CPUs since ab= out 2000 have supported -- mostly because that's what the Intel x86 series us= ed. Before then there were quite a few CPUs where 'long' was 4 bytes, but tho= se sizes were otherwise about the same. However, it's not the size of 'int' which is the important thing. It's the size of pointers. The big deal with 64bit vs 32bit architectures is having registers of the= appropriate length that you can do 64bit integer operations natively. Th= is particularly applies to memory address manipulation. In principle you ca= n make a composite integer type of any length by stringing together as many= =20 shorter types as you want, but in practice that's too inefficient for mos= t purposes, especially anything as fundamental as memory addressing. So poi= nters are generally no longer than the widest hardware registers on the CPU. H= ence the length of pointers (memory addresses) is the fundamental distinction.= On a 32bit architecture, pointers are 4bytes long and can address up to=20 4294967296 bytes (4GiB) of RAM. On a 64bit machines pointers are 8bytes l= ong and can address 18446744073709551616 bytes (16EiB) of RAM. The Intel Cor= e 2 Duo is capable of running in either 32 or 64 bit mode. This C snippet wi= ll show you how long some important types are on your system: #include int main (int argc, char *argv) { printf( "int:\t%d\nlong:\t%d\npointer:\t%d\n", sizeof(int), sizeof(long), sizeof(void*) ); } Cheers, Matthew [*] char can sometimes be an unsigned quantity, in which case there should be a 'signed char' equivalent. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig07E367EEFA40A5CA0A3D5156 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoaiFwACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyBKwCglEg4ZT44pgxgA+Bbd1nk7mAO xsoAnjaTbhUKUMpcZn2B1h3bae8mLftF =hUHQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig07E367EEFA40A5CA0A3D5156-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 12:02:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC481065727 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f165.google.com (mail-bw0-f165.google.com [209.85.218.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B058FC1C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:02:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so3136847bwz.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:02:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=arnS3BTCjtKHvsy2EjOEvlnhqh02Q1R3fO1vqoK5ihg=; b=wIcyP6UdoGZ+ehSj3ZvxCURH5FNunkvYsnxfa7/Yfbz+Ja9Bqmx0uw6hVGJStbMC/B y20RuEWX/C6KQufeHmpF72flIgzBAtD2l/hkKegJ/uPZSqci54f0LrkNvQ3y3tsW1Jy8 VZsEaRdFO0ZW5+7/OqcCrSVMSr3jR6acp9geM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=xES7S0Gy8XjiWgasTepBv5VU2dHbVx102rx9D0fAfLitbJb5sx9E2HsPbbVxXjmhOm yAzVkfSKyz2liUJBP+CY8pm/g9MNGczcjz0Q2KDxTg2GvSUXpkSZO0H0Gr1ge9uAOeoD jQucbRdeQ2mGQbf6pgsRQepHRfwpMenJon/DE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.126.66 with SMTP id b2mr3533488fas.3.1243252952745; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:02:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE895@w2003s01.double-l.local> References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE895@w2003s01.double-l.local> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:02:32 +0300 Message-ID: <991123400905250502j7fec043em220f1e2accbb43ef@mail.gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?T2RoaWFtYm8gIOODr+OCt+ODs+ODiOODsw==?= To: Johan Hendriks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "John Dakos \[ Enovation Technologies \]" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:03:05 -0000 2009/5/25 Johan Hendriks > >Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, > > >Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail > > >I will appreciate > > >Thanks all > > > A good combination for webmail is: > > Postfix as MTA > Dovecot as IMAP / POP3 server > Postfixadmin for webbased management. > Mysql or postgresql for the database. > and a webmail client. > This can be roundcube, squirrelmail, imp (from Horde) and so on. I love the following combo: Exim as MTA Dovecot for POP3/POP3S/IMAP/IMAPS Vexim (http://silverwraith.com/vexim) for web based management MySQL or PostgreSQL database Squirrelmail for webmail with vlogin plugin for multihosting. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 12:11:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEC51065689 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C728FC14 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PCAsiS085119; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:10:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4PCAsiS085119 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243253455; bh=gEHOqE7t4oGRktJzR8TTnruWD4PZ6lxWAYBaSAfEZiM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A1A8AC8.5020007@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20M on,=2025=20May=202009=2013:10:48=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Unga=20|CC:=20freebsd-question s@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20How=20to=20say=20this=20in=20Bash?| References:=20<898369.52568.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>|In-Rep ly-To:=20<898369.52568.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>|X-Enigmail- Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dp gp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D= 0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigFC499685EC332B9F0E72AE1D"; b=mXVgQxXxw0+u40T/cPmZVJlaLw8/mosNWggTO4dokHFnLmWwILuapVCiK/nd4Jp8W qQ/s5drwhgFs9hXEa0RDJvBL/k7ueLCXIc+8Os2leJKGu1vHgv0zO9xTlehaDeECME VRhMUKEKAXkqbQzjSem1l42um5K6n0h/2znxZ8BA= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A1A8AC8.5020007@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:10:48 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Unga References: <898369.52568.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <898369.52568.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFC499685EC332B9F0E72AE1D" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to say this in Bash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:11:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFC499685EC332B9F0E72AE1D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unga wrote: > Dear all >=20 > This may be slightly OT, but I'm using on a FreeBSD machine. How > to convert following into bash style? >=20 > echo "${X}" > ${Z} > echo "${Y}" >> ${Z} >=20 Exactly the same in posix standard /bin/sh or in bash. bash(1) should be capable of running any compliant /bin/sh script directly. The convers= e is not generally true, so for maximum portability write according to sh(1= ) and avoid bash-isms. If you're asking about converting csh to bourne shell, then that's a whol= e other kettle of fish. The echo commands above just happen to be the same= in either language, but that's one of the few points of confluence between t= he two. Typically you'ld have to know both languages and laboriously transl= ate between them. 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(mail.cs-service.by [217.21.50.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm11120504fke.33.2009.05.25.04.53.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 May 2009 04:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1A86A3.5080402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:53:07 +0300 From: larin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090409) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John Dakos [ Enovation Technologies ]" References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> In-Reply-To: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:25:25 -0000 John Dakos [ Enovation Technologies ] wrote: > > > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, > > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail > > I will appreciate > > Thanks all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Dakos > Network Administrator > Enovation Technologies > Filellinon 35, Chalandrion > 15232 Athens, GREECE > Tel: +30-210 811 9673 > Mob: +30-6979348082 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > http://exim.org/ http://roundcube.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 12:27:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF8B106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:27:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leandro.chescotta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB16E8FC13 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leandro.chescotta@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so4554532qyk.3 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:27:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=KAdHy5m+a0Pe7JWG/hxNM2rz/EF9d+sF5kr/DwKlnRQ=; b=svyfEcJj9vNcnIXNByc5se8Wtd8N4iaQXnyG0MCi1MhSVhOv1lZMtjwUoAymZK2dlL FOo9mJy1nJNoPBvU7ggtnU0iQHWa/+Gtv5bmGpwvEKnocwt3fzDS45EukfhGvdi6/+Zc LwqhROopr3kiGeyn33pG2mcs5SQ6MqNU8U7aA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=v6AnhtbvD3Q2B8sx6S/qk/5sb4A3AEvC1HKJ4XqWYN0n8E7oD/E6AV6BQM1BfXXLKE r78AbyAx+qpCeB+Y1MO/WAgLWfduTytaEDJ8BmpnOjSsfjKmRc3d1Tew+MDboMx/Ektb NZJ3xhIxmk4degb92TRnPDnuQ822hDDNHse0E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.96.213 with SMTP id i21mr5207122vcn.104.1243252916760; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:01:56 -0300 Message-ID: <2eb117800905250501h3d7f6bber916fdbf1de2a3e86@mail.gmail.com> From: Leandro Chescotta To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: installing in a netbook, corrupted kernel on boot with unetbootin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:27:56 -0000 Hi! how can i boot the installation with my netbook? i tryed a lot of isos, of 7.2, 7.1, and 6.4 with unetbootin, but when i boot them it says always CORRUPTED KERNEL IMAGE or something like that... Previously i installed arch linux and they have a ".img" usb ready image, so you only need to "dd if=IMAGE_FILE of=USB_DISK" and you can boot it and install, any way we can have one of these with freebsd? i know about PXE, but i didn't have another computer to do it, so i need an iso in the usb pendrive From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 12:30:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937D0106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:30:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (macos.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9D38FC0A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4PCURIt030377 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:30:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PCURVJ030372 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:30:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) X-Authentication-Warning: macos.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:30:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@macos.cmi.ua.ac.be To: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: upgrade 7 -> 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:30:30 -0000 I have to upgrade a few FreeBSD7 machines to FreeBSD7.2 (this is new to me) One machine has very few third party ports installed (33), the other over 600 ... One of the steps is # portupgade -af, to rebuild all third party software.. this took 27 minutes on the 33 packages machine.. So for 20 times more packages: 10 hours ??? Is this normal? Also, one I had one screen asking for options for libiconv 1.11_1 where I had to tab to OK and press enter. What is the 600 packages system has 20 of more of such screens, waiting for user input. Can't one make ik automatically accept the defaults? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 12:34:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB75E106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laladelausanne@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f159.google.com (mail-ew0-f159.google.com [209.85.219.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6616C8FC0A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laladelausanne@gmail.com) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so3145164ewy.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:34:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=EhXzES9RbxfvvvYc393erFYpwTCQnuf0PdNMVKv/tOQ=; b=pfLS7IuEK/tywEyGNUl6ySMMHRqulpItN8qqQPFHx8/zlmfvm9wIlsDj+LihOx6x8b vR1DQQctTJAKwGYlEgAbgMPlOjNgAtC/OYNKbWJDpO5MsIcexMjbA9oZV5k3RCKi0VvS HzIfknY4bayXRritNAL6ubzpctzAnQZjrtVso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=CHnL9Pa4tcP3bA/Rp+cbrW+sqBevgUWPaAv8v8BHX82iMxV+84opo2X8Dd7WH2/GkI WycgPb8sCMZJPnWdiVGdV7ghq+MTi30jXh4pLdPtGRhnyiAtswfqDnZOp2HlZTjI3oVY X3MWiqloOPAhKMiG5Y6CUlhSB6yVdG6B4Erpw= Received: by 10.216.15.85 with SMTP id e63mr1676694wee.199.1243254852401; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nslpc5.epfl.ch (nslpc5.epfl.ch [128.178.149.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm4500233eyb.55.2009.05.25.05.34.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 May 2009 05:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0829C953-67AA-42DB-BCDF-B294F2E39618@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Nikola_Kne=C5=BEevi=C4=87?= To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: <10A866FD-3D61-418E-8871-5C60159CEB6C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:34:10 +0200 References: <10A866FD-3D61-418E-8871-5C60159CEB6C@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: Problem with LOCK_PROFILING stats in 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:34:14 -0000 On 05.22.2009, at 14:21 , Nikola Kne=C5=BEevi=C4=87 wrote: > I'm using LOCK_PROFILING to, well, profile some locks in the module =20= > I'm working on. I also have INVARIANTS turned on. Numbers I'm =20 > getting look correct, however, name of the lock is strange (for some =20= > of the locks I'm using): > > 25725 51777294 10979957 7331938 7 1 =20 > 408303 896814 /home/knl/work/mx/click/bsdmodule/..//include/=20 > click/sync.hh:395 (sleep mutex:?? ?????Yf;??????? ?????=12?:?????=18=03)= > > Why am I getting this instead of lock's real name: MasterLock[10060]? To reply to myself :) mtx_init & co. expects the name to be persistent during the whole run. =20= So, never pass values from the stack to it, as I did. Cheers, Nikola= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 12:34:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6213C10656BD for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f165.google.com (mail-bw0-f165.google.com [209.85.218.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02FD8FC0A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:34:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so3158152bwz.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:34:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PctGFZP709UivNI1G9sEwrB6vW7KCrwnaeOuRt2SCVo=; b=ncBFXeF3Psl5qRd3pJGRUImDSOyRj8cOA/LRApHZDnP9Yb2LcN+gCCKuxTRV5+pHjy GjEGsoZE8/6+Y0sKaN013smjtgHPJWopKbhRERUVTZu9OGipsebnuwvgk9zCgKR4Rqab LCed9pvQ1RKwpCRzPUyxojrSHx0fhU/Xy29LY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=NbjKBFl8l2MvpnmFFNqx5hFP/iFgbfstXgksKlUr4lfNiS5oRbcSMEmhmcqUVSOVgG 2E1932CliUE7YFlHiGDLvXaFZT86KSQnYURTW3NajgyzC+Od+ZdSli4v/jhqQKrwrnNU bdnmBw1DkowYx5PhYPtqV+ODzzPmYaWNdZei0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.106.15 with SMTP id v15mr3551951fao.15.1243254886921; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:34:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:34:46 +0300 Message-ID: <991123400905250534pfec94e8qef12b544c70f14f4@mail.gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?T2RoaWFtYm8gIOODr+OCt+ODs+ODiOODsw==?= To: Pieter Donche Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: upgrade 7 -> 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:34:49 -0000 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Pieter Donche wrote: > I have to upgrade a few FreeBSD7 machines to FreeBSD7.2 > (this is new to me) > One machine has very few third party ports installed (33), the other > over 600 ... One of the steps is # portupgade -af, to rebuild all third > party software.. this took 27 minutes on the 33 packages machine.. AFAIK, you don't really need that (portupgrade -a) for point upgrades. Just update userland and kernel and go out for beer! > So for 20 times more packages: 10 hours ??? > Is this normal? Also, one I had one screen asking for options for libiconv > 1.11_1 > where I had to tab to OK and press enter. What is the 600 packages system > has 20 of more of such screens, I think if you set BATCH=yes in your environment or in /etc/make.conf then it should take care of that. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 12:36:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957C410656E6 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from mxin.vub.ac.be (mxin.vub.ac.be [134.184.129.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331558FC16 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsACANUtGkqkD30E/2dsb2JhbAAIzACECwWIOw Received: from bebif01.ulb.ac.be (HELO [10.0.0.194]) ([164.15.125.4]) by smtp.vub.ac.be with ESMTP; 25 May 2009 14:36:19 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: Pieter Donche In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:38:50 +0200 Message-Id: <1243255130.5094.11.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: upgrade 7 -> 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:36:27 -0000 You don't have to rebuilt all ports when you upgrade from 7.0 to 7.2, it is, in general, only required when you upgrade for one major version to another one (6.x -> 7.x or 7.x to 8.x) On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 14:30 +0200, Pieter Donche wrote: > I have to upgrade a few FreeBSD7 machines to FreeBSD7.2 > (this is new to me) > One machine has very few third party ports installed (33), the other > over 600 ... One of the steps is # portupgade -af, to rebuild all third > party software.. this took 27 minutes on the 33 packages machine.. > So for 20 times more packages: 10 hours ??? > Is this normal? > Also, one I had one screen asking for options for libiconv 1.11_1 > where I had to tab to OK and press enter. > What is the 600 packages system has 20 of more of such screens, > waiting for user input. Can't one make ik automatically accept the > defaults? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrée ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 13:06:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623A51065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E265A8FC15 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:06:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so646774eyd.7 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:06:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0DWCouB9Rqs1p3ct37uJtJ88Op+vl1JQLmYgBoZ5srs=; b=DhKYJRQlRj/iBbuRBPUm1g/vkEGYwH+EbJGkfANXp0X02hJ9GLXua0YQ0duYHKjHjE EXzdGnZ2DjMNyW5WTvpwkl+ooHsAflySjx0WiwJWYvu3PF63XcW76d0Im+0h5JTMG236 CZzC0pyuWarkRR+qjfCe/KODL/5ALqKbQf3pc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=e3kyHKvalMzpQZFcsMfge8LgHoRYDjHbaloDRnF3HV43SezQBCN8ZttqHq0fv1DHYS Xvx2AOQoEDkr2Hc1sIA/VDD1pptokAi+YhniwqqXFAWFRVNtw1Va2KTawaMRjzoUC3PG 4FBZm0E9bCrx9+clbKpCOzbtB0APCL0JdwecY= Received: by 10.216.8.65 with SMTP id 43mr1705566weq.168.1243256788527; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm6279515eyg.24.2009.05.25.06.06.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 May 2009 06:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:06:25 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090525140625.58995d1c@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> References: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:06:30 -0000 On Sun, 24 May 2009 22:57:35 -0700 Kelly Jones wrote: > and was surprised that doing this to identical files yielded different > results. I then realized "openssl enc" randomly(?) chooses a salt if > you don't supply one. > > I want my backups encrypted, but I also want identical files to > encrypt identically. Thoughts? Then don't use salt - just a fully randomized key. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 13:20:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF55106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vasile@cristescu.org) Received: from srv.lamit.ro (ip196.208-100-42.static.steadfast.net [208.100.42.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0518A8FC1F for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:20:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vasile@cristescu.org) Received: from [89.122.152.102] (helo=wraith.server.lamit.ro) by srv.lamit.ro with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1M8ZOr-0001ks-Vh; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:35:30 +0300 From: Vasile Cristescu To: Pieter Donche Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:33:44 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/7.2-STABLE; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200905251533.44461.vasile@cristescu.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - srv.lamit.ro X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [26 6] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - cristescu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade 7 -> 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:20:35 -0000 On Monday 25 May 2009 15:30:27 Pieter Donche wrote: > I have to upgrade a few FreeBSD7 machines to FreeBSD7.2 > (this is new to me) > One machine has very few third party ports installed (33), the other > over 600 ... One of the steps is # portupgade -af, to rebuild all third > party software.. this took 27 minutes on the 33 packages machine.. > So for 20 times more packages: 10 hours ??? depending on the packages, > Is this normal? > Also, one I had one screen asking for options for libiconv 1.11_1 > where I had to tab to OK and press enter. > What is the 600 packages system has 20 of more of such screens, > waiting for user input. Can't one make ik automatically accept the > defaults? echo 'BATCH=YES' > /etc/make.conf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 13:31:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD83B1065673 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [62.220.235.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E7A8FC1A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB41F1CC5D; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:25 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 2jglukE7DgvI; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a88-114-134-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.114.134.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E31051CC5C; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:23 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: From: "Reko Turja" To: "John Dakos [ Enovation Technologies ]" , References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> In-Reply-To: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:13:36 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 Cc: Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:31:29 -0000 > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail Postfix Cyrus (+possible Postgres if database is needed) Squirrel, IMP... One can build very decent BSD or like licensed mail server, except the=20 webmail part. Every available webmail package I've found are under=20 GPL. -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 13:39:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E4E106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:39:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0468FC15 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:39:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3215550B52 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:39:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (unknown [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160F050999 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:39:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:41:04 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Subject: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:39:58 -0000 I have some short movies (a la YouTube) that I would like to show as video streams. Presenting them by download is messing up my bandwidth (...). Can someone tell me if there is a simple solution installing such a stream service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 14:13:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D59106567A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mx1.esiee.fr (mx1.esiee.fr [147.215.1.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96458FC1E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508C013687A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VAMS.dummy (Postfix) with SMTP id 4469237AA3 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [147.215.18.100] (playground.esiee.fr [147.215.18.100]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281B137AA3 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1AA2F4.40309@esiee.fr> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:53:56 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: gdm won't start at 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:13:32 -0000 Hello I've installed from scratch a i386 7.2 machine , when I try to start gdm the machine display the login screen with "other" written on it but it is totally hanged , even the mouse. Any info ? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 14:24:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE52106567A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howard.jones@network-i.net) Received: from mail.thingy.com (wotsit.thingy.com [212.21.100.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52788FC1E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:24:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howard.jones@network-i.net) Received: (qmail 24979 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2009 14:57:50 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.56?) (howie@thingy.com@212.21.124.49) by wotsit3.thingy.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 25 May 2009 14:57:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:57:48 +0100 From: Howard Jones User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:24:33 -0000 Hi, Can anyone with experience of software RAID point me in the right direction please? I've used gmirror before with no trouble, but nothing fancier. I have a set of brand new 1TB drives, a Sil3124 SATA card and a FreeBSD 7.1-p4 system. I created a RAID 5 set with gvinum: drive d0 device /dev/ad4s1a drive d1 device /dev/ad6s1a drive d2 device /dev/ad8s1a drive d3 device /dev/ad10s1a volume jumbo plex org raid5 256k sd drive d0 sd drive d1 sd drive d2 sd drive d3 and it shows as up and happy. If I reboot, all the subdisks show as stale, and so the plex is down. It seems to be doing a rebuild, although it wasn't before, and would newfs, mount and accept data onto the new plex before the reboot. Is there any way to avoid having to wait while gvinum apparently calculates the parity on all those zeroes? Am I missing some step to 'liven up' the plex before the first reboot? (loader.conf has the correct line to load gvinum at boot) I tried again, with 'gvinum start jumbo' before rebooting, and that made no difference. Also is the configuration file format actually documented anywhere? I got that example from someone's blog, but the gvinum manpage doesn't mention the format at all! It *does* have a few pages dedicated to things that don't work, which was handy... :-) The handbook is still talking about ccd and vinum, and mostly covers the complications of booting of such a device. On the subject of documentation, I'm also assuming that this: S jumbo.p0.s2 State: I 1% D: d2 Size: 931 GB means it's 1% through initialising, because the states or the output of 'list' aren't described in the manual either. I'm was half-considering switching to ZFS, but the most positive thing I could find written about that (as implemented on FreeBSD) is that it "doesn't crash that much", so perhaps not. That was from a while ago though. Does anyone use software RAID5 (or RAIDZ) for data they care about? Cheers, Howie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 14:30:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21C2106564A; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnoland@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gizmo.2hip.net (gizmo.2hip.net [64.74.207.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864D38FC15; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnoland@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (adsl-156-5-72.bna.bellsouth.net [70.156.5.72]) (authenticated bits=0) by gizmo.2hip.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PETu6F023100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 10:29:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rnoland@FreeBSD.org) From: Robert Noland To: Gabor Kovesdan In-Reply-To: <4A198D5F.1090405@FreeBSD.org> References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <4A197E77.2060500@club.kyutech.ac.jp> <4A198D5F.1090405@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Iyp7DERrnM544YYCaZWP" Organization: FreeBSD Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:29:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1243261740.1787.1033.camel@balrog.2hip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on gizmo.2hip.net Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Koichiro IWAO Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:30:07 -0000 --=-Iyp7DERrnM544YYCaZWP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 20:09 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Koichiro IWAO escribi=F3: > > The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product= . > > So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still=20 > > unavailable. VESA is the only available driver. Does anyone have the pci ids for this? I have some patches around here for an "IGD" device that I think is a G41 but afaik was un-released at the time that I created that patch. robert. > > If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series. > Uh, thanks a lot, I almost chose the 751h model, but now I decided to=20 > take the 531. It comes with Intel 945GM. --=20 Robert Noland FreeBSD --=-Iyp7DERrnM544YYCaZWP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkoaqywACgkQM4TrQ4qfRONL/gCbBgzbB4QQYC6oj+eEnGhY9qCV HioAoIEaOdeQNJIDayrVWLwQB3nm04hp =ft+d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Iyp7DERrnM544YYCaZWP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 14:36:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916881065687 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:36:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 392B28FC1C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70277 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2009 14:36:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243262205; bh=v8Xn4ENZ3Vzj4Qq4lfyEMMzfCEXFJwi5SNIHR1bb2M4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Iywk8+A6SPQN0oyyMPEPaatCOhWiKsBtp02osX+RkK0nvjpseWZwB/E9Z1SXxXzqI/hYQ1z5CT6dnUZi737RhZ3stXvEejxR32jUaJhrXv09s7iVmFvy1PlxXIvoVEqszUQipsrS+4Gcd6IPZAxeu3RiUF//Jemm1u+jFslP7sM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pUK8c34m22vzZYRTRROFjJ8pQuR2DFxcDsgmgkB0MAz9/sFOvbcqlELCgAiGMAgioqv0Pps3B4CkTx9c4C+Me1nWOeeX7j7kStiD01TPDdhQsj5/JmqMWmmgEJP5LMZcvRrvweDqYDDHw+jg9vZLHdojCIDM3fY4nlwdRIYRhck=; Message-ID: <141688.69137.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sDJ54GsVM1npB7EGx3NStPPTpzBKILS1Iss4lKrtSuO4S64aM4JeeMnBCsl77kodc3tWtAnnpAZbOecnFKhomRTXFBqLmEpTYT_Myg0rKFVjgLQN1KlDtIXy.Xn02WeaOTYLE0oGY64G59WNUT4am7Au6ITYMvOm4Hm2HuFCHB48K5E1T1e6AXm0nXePuSXOaoHFuKSMAgGE6zmG1mAWtitlssgsUIBwGqko.hDeWGt8KV9JE.S__cRXoSV95CuXPf4qo.TtJCuBa_In6ASEvxzhWOzWgfrdG3lxoO7KRrapjHePXxeG8EE6yXpHa825BlqBEiT_zpBDbsEyDdrcziaBa3KwXAvRZkpFOvc- Received: from [220.255.7.182] by web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:36:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: Matthew Seaman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to say this in Bash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:36:46 -0000 --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Matthew Seaman wrote= :=0A=0A> From: Matthew Seaman =0A> Subject= : Re: How to say this in Bash?=0A> To: "Unga" =0A> Cc: f= reebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 8:10 PM=0A> Un= ga wrote:=0A> > Dear all=0A> > =0A> > This may be slightly OT, but I'm usin= g on a FreeBSD=0A> machine. How=0A> > to convert following into bash style?= =0A> > =0A> > echo "${X}" > ${Z}=0A> > echo "${Y}" >> ${Z}=0A> > =0A> =0A> = Exactly the same in posix standard /bin/sh or in=0A> bash.=A0 bash(1) shoul= d=0A> be capable of running any compliant /bin/sh script=0A> directly.=A0 T= he converse=0A> is not generally true, so for maximum portability write=0A>= according to sh(1)=0A> and avoid bash-isms.=0A> =0A> If you're asking abou= t converting csh to bourne shell, then=0A> that's a whole=0A> other kettle = of fish.=A0 The echo commands above just=0A> happen to be the same in=0A> e= ither language, but that's one of the few points of=0A> confluence between = the=0A> two.=A0 Typically you'ld have to know both languages and=0A> labori= ously translate=0A> between them.=0A> =0A=0AHere is what happens in bash sh= ell:=0A$ echo "${X}" > ${Z}=0Abash: ${Z}: ambiguous redirect=0A=0ABest rega= rds=0AUnga=0A=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 15:18:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B7C1065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raszobbi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA76E8FC17 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raszobbi@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so3296968fxm.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:18:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RED4T6bSQH26h8tw08KhCAIleOkFR387prLTJhyhq80=; b=UPDOSlthcWXg0G2fzrZr6a5/5pzYdawvxwkeC9f2tNgisYWuucnlvGdwK/ml+1SW0s 277cZ7TW9++ETXzkJjflQa+J5rPjKerd5bXFNUsPX+uLo0cEYeGKzo8ZNvTWXH5GycAc 0iJd3BzS0BHriNAywmerKLzABlLgtKWglgFBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DsVRRa3SnIvkDL/cCZoDY55fg+hFRO1auu0i9g15o+ej23AUpJRNJf7KYHe5RM8v6k dzt8NgW95qx9UhUjTlZ1lBqYH+oVpd7M4sqHo62SoOw4ySw8FuDghPWRS99AuHULBi1f jkowFkt9p/vYpn7nua47fJS9JODjxNv+6DFF0= Received: by 10.204.66.195 with SMTP id o3mr6971085bki.201.1243264723787; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ilras.barsh ([92.251.20.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f31sm11529686fkf.12.2009.05.25.08.18.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 May 2009 08:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1AB6D2.2040807@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:18:42 +0200 From: mct User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Bonnet References: <4A1AA2F4.40309@esiee.fr> In-Reply-To: <4A1AA2F4.40309@esiee.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: gdm won't start at 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:18:45 -0000 Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hello > > I've installed from scratch a i386 7.2 machine , when I try to start gdm > the machine display the login screen with "other" written on it > but it is totally hanged , even the mouse. > > Any info ? > > Thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > i would ask in freebsd-gnome mailing list innstead, but sounds like could be related ot xorg configuration + hal option "AllowEmptyInput" "off". have you checked that? if not, find info in /usr/ports/UPDATING From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 15:20:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9ED10656E0 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mister.olli@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14AD08FC1E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:20:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mister.olli@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so3297958fxm.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:20:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:reply-to:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=s5biBi3e0/lysG8pWPqcS/FS+FWBhHLX/XWq40yWlJQ=; b=BZUT1WoWWxfEnnAbjTkBm96CJ//gbjrb15bMKPDNoNEKRWwdoMnPYUGC2qNi4NmMl/ pTPQT591OTUDfGWPavrEJIA+4BWzr4UDgGdqXyJ3X1fDcxhutkXBOZ26STKtTLfwGkIc sOfmXxIJB2VWUS8xjq7QlkYMeh8eoAiDi49Mg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=YbQZB28vVPu02rhBQl7j+og43ePHPkliSBVtnH8e79a9AcX3KkXLI59a+jRvTcmztu sazpzFzRyXfJkXcmToIqc4H/HyByPTEtw2NC+9p+Gq6gJkqbAvJ+A1rTU1ous3FQihGs E4gbI0kuOKidHlUaxmf0BP5NyQXFYxrcBf340= Received: by 10.86.59.18 with SMTP id h18mr5829779fga.14.1243264823957; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.30.1.124? (vpn-or.studi-planet.com [78.47.172.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm10661164fgg.8.2009.05.25.08.20.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 May 2009 08:20:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mister Olli To: Howard Jones In-Reply-To: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:16 +0200 Message-Id: <1243264816.4721.10.camel@phoenix.blechhirn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mister.olli@googlemail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:20:26 -0000 Hi, I remember building a RAID5 on gvinum with 3 500GB hard drives some months ago, and it took horribly long to initialize the raid5 (several hours). It seems to be a one-time job, cause since the raid finished it's initialization the machine starts up/ reboots within normal times. The documentation is some point, yes ;-) I got my basic know-how about gvinum and raid-1 from a blog also and could read-on with what I needed depending on the man pages. but it was hard.. Regards --- Mr. Olli On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 14:57 +0100, Howard Jones wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone with experience of software RAID point me in the right > direction please? I've used gmirror before with no trouble, but nothing > fancier. > > I have a set of brand new 1TB drives, a Sil3124 SATA card and a FreeBSD > 7.1-p4 system. > > I created a RAID 5 set with gvinum: > drive d0 device /dev/ad4s1a > drive d1 device /dev/ad6s1a > drive d2 device /dev/ad8s1a > drive d3 device /dev/ad10s1a > volume jumbo > plex org raid5 256k > sd drive d0 > sd drive d1 > sd drive d2 > sd drive d3 > > and it shows as up and happy. If I reboot, all the subdisks show as > stale, and so the plex is down. It seems to be doing a rebuild, although > it wasn't before, and would newfs, mount and accept data onto the new > plex before the reboot. > > Is there any way to avoid having to wait while gvinum apparently > calculates the parity on all those zeroes? > > Am I missing some step to 'liven up' the plex before the first reboot? > (loader.conf has the correct line to load gvinum at boot) I tried again, > with 'gvinum start jumbo' before rebooting, and that made no difference. > > Also is the configuration file format actually documented anywhere? I > got that example from someone's blog, but the gvinum manpage doesn't > mention the format at all! It *does* have a few pages dedicated to > things that don't work, which was handy... :-) The handbook is still > talking about ccd and vinum, and mostly covers the complications of > booting of such a device. > > On the subject of documentation, I'm also assuming that this: > S jumbo.p0.s2 State: I 1% D: d2 Size: > 931 GB > means it's 1% through initialising, because the states or the output of > 'list' aren't described in the manual either. > > I'm was half-considering switching to ZFS, but the most positive thing I > could find written about that (as implemented on FreeBSD) is that it > "doesn't crash that much", so perhaps not. That was from a while ago though. > > Does anyone use software RAID5 (or RAIDZ) for data they care about? > > Cheers, > > Howie > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 15:22:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF531065680 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:22:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E03AF8FC16 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:22:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 50859 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 15:22:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=1Cts0dKKVkBbXJI7pkxw+XBUtymb2/ST9aPyPfOJLHN3MxJk2/J5tkN87qgAqopupj4wzOyBXIpyiPkSdlEfTNGp68axOltwAhB6/4uQwzt8BbOMXSDvX5oSI/ZfeQtw1RI8Mow5S3on0iSrxw941md/AVersra3z7VtvYeTr48= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2009 08:22:37 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: klaPBXQVM1kIrYtYMbytp0NaCxfUFQaFN2l3hvTdDLqD7.aMEnMjw03Qhghi5VybiYjTQ_C4SJr4mHfb.BihM5YdX6vLWumicPkMmYO1A7NOcouWlUKFXx7oQP3QKdJteWNhbZNC2T7bqCTvSKq5o3xGlykddsPtMnnEIp0T_KsDTniE1QC.zqB7FCPUidAlTMnRCZoIBFlWPwnfA.l.neBEwQg4l8s7Y7BVm3v5Ywe.21onsn9NOmdVIsZlWOi1ZuSAsLyqkj2maoK2heJo3K_oqd4pbjZC88h8dMfat9qDGT00KfV0ZA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:22:35 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090525112235.48070197@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <141688.69137.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <141688.69137.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/CGimsMfGjy73/w/KBRx3UIG"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: How to say this in Bash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:22:39 -0000 --Sig_/CGimsMfGjy73/w/KBRx3UIG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 25 May 2009 07:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Unga wrote: >Here is what happens in bash shell: >$ echo "${X}" > ${Z} >bash: ${Z}: ambiguous redirect Perhaps I am misinterpreting your question; however, if I define both ${X} and ${Z} in a script prior to running your snippet, I do not receive any error message. Could you show more info on how you are attempting to run this snippet? --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com A sadist is a masochist who follows the Golden Rule. --Sig_/CGimsMfGjy73/w/KBRx3UIG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoat7sACgkQBvaKIJWWCO24ugCeI49lzJ1TI5lZEk/z4RHylQSa 99YAnj9x09L+Rl75IrqJdkWKf/E6tKJH =CKY5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/CGimsMfGjy73/w/KBRx3UIG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 15:57:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E0C106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 921588FC1D for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63217 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2009 15:57:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243267026; bh=pfz16/PS60rBONcu8KQ3luNMd8tWxPf0Hisltp/DQ8M=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2xUM8ThTTy1P+TKFX/241N/pXwgsLCbPXd8OtzRzoSH/25PGY8Nrb2sLHu74LGL6nfktR3PKLVWT8ythex8MjoKdkdbqX/sT0i7/48afCb2KILEqPXCiucN7EIJT7r549NZARHDZzAKVASBA8Np9cI+CI7Wz/0NTas7HPPz6wuE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0TxKP7KHwvUqnJoEAxtXh7Np/Nr4nKjcArrY8fFP7NVr90o4zAO3BuIIc4c3QxkpcqekrZRmUVvH/ahuAF9M1pNQfg70t+1fjVKl9srMMt6WR0RNOppSlTM4QZT48scATYEsZAOY8o6U+wvwxLRrctcV5a4FuBZ3JDLqGPSHVZU=; Message-ID: <904563.63141.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: iMNI_D8VM1l17I6fKL0QTmOWypNAKXT7v.nDTgi0L75whzfxdgyf.KPbl1lV1pVypTu_a7dJJ.Vp4joI61SzZLq0FMIxOSGG7wUqzY.HJg23aCANJWDnv5oXrEwnMDjdQ2oKTJr5iR8UCQYNw66vryzx3Qd2UtSck1vthhCfZHwFwv09YMQKc97uXyoQ6ZibNRuUl.ymwllcJ6Sc9PboSiVhijgIjh_4jjbsaxfX_5vOZwY_J6fkVFHh6JfaKpMFEQDV249nV0ExBgi_g1_qvQ-- Received: from [220.255.7.226] by web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 May 2009 08:57:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: How to say this in Bash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:57:08 -0000 --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Jerry wrote: > From: Jerry > Subject: Re: How to say this in Bash? > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 11:22 PM > On Mon, 25 May 2009 07:36:45 -0700 > (PDT) > Unga > wrote: > > >Here is what happens in bash shell: > >$ echo "${X}" > ${Z} > >bash: ${Z}: ambiguous redirect > > Perhaps I am misinterpreting your question; however, if I > define both > ${X} and ${Z} in a script prior to running your snippet, I > do not > receive any error message. Could you show more info on how > you are > attempting to run this snippet? > $ X=' > XX1=YES > XX2=YES > ' $ echo $X XX1=YES XX2=YES $ $ Y=' > YY1=YES > YY2=YES > ' $ echo $Y YY1=YES YY2=YES $ $ echo "${X}" > ${Z} bash: ${Z}: ambiguous redirect I want to append all variables in X and Y into Z so that "echo $Z" should be: XX1=YES XX2=YES YY1=YES YY2=YES I'm doing everything in command line not using any scripts. Regards Unga From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 16:17:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F8C106566C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EFB68FC1E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: (qmail 3117 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 16:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.166) with ESMTP; 25 May 2009 16:17:39 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:17:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How to say this in Bash? Thread-Index: AcndUcDQIpcny1v6SA+Hc2lsmYScdAAAkoxA References: <904563.63141.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: "Peter Steele" To: Subject: RE: How to say this in Bash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:17:41 -0000 >$ echo "${X}" > ${Z} >bash: ${Z}: ambiguous redirect > >I want to append all variables in X and Y into Z so that "echo $Z" should be: >XX1=3DYES XX2=3DYES YY1=3DYES YY2=3DYES Redirection is not the right way to do it. Just do this: $ Z=3D"$X $Y" $ echo $Z XX1=3DYES XX2=3DYES YY1=3DYES YY2=3DYES From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 16:32:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0061065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89128FC12 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:32:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8d5m-0000Oq-8v; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:32:02 +0100 Received: from [94.168.153.236] (helo=Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8d5l-0002In-Ps; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:32:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:36 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956C7@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> In-Reply-To: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD & Software RAID Thread-Index: AcndRK2HoLUTwQ82T7ei0NcNM5Xn3AAEXDjQ From: "Graeme Dargie" To: "Howard Jones" , Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:32:14 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Howard Jones [mailto:howard.jones@network-i.net]=20 Sent: 25 May 2009 14:58 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD & Software RAID Hi, Can anyone with experience of software RAID point me in the right direction please? I've used gmirror before with no trouble, but nothing fancier. I have a set of brand new 1TB drives, a Sil3124 SATA card and a FreeBSD 7.1-p4 system. I created a RAID 5 set with gvinum: drive d0 device /dev/ad4s1a drive d1 device /dev/ad6s1a drive d2 device /dev/ad8s1a drive d3 device /dev/ad10s1a volume jumbo plex org raid5 256k sd drive d0 sd drive d1 sd drive d2 sd drive d3 and it shows as up and happy. If I reboot, all the subdisks show as stale, and so the plex is down. It seems to be doing a rebuild, although it wasn't before, and would newfs, mount and accept data onto the new plex before the reboot. Is there any way to avoid having to wait while gvinum apparently calculates the parity on all those zeroes? Am I missing some step to 'liven up' the plex before the first reboot? (loader.conf has the correct line to load gvinum at boot) I tried again, with 'gvinum start jumbo' before rebooting, and that made no difference. Also is the configuration file format actually documented anywhere? I got that example from someone's blog, but the gvinum manpage doesn't mention the format at all! It *does* have a few pages dedicated to things that don't work, which was handy... :-) The handbook is still talking about ccd and vinum, and mostly covers the complications of booting of such a device. On the subject of documentation, I'm also assuming that this: S jumbo.p0.s2 State: I 1% D: d2 Size: =20 931 GB means it's 1% through initialising, because the states or the output of 'list' aren't described in the manual either. I'm was half-considering switching to ZFS, but the most positive thing I could find written about that (as implemented on FreeBSD) is that it "doesn't crash that much", so perhaps not. That was from a while ago though. Does anyone use software RAID5 (or RAIDZ) for data they care about? Cheers, Howie _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I have been running ZFS RAIDZ for 5 months on a 7.1 amd64 install, I have to say my experience has been mostly good. Initially I had an issue with a pci sata card causing drives to disconnect, but after investing a new motherboard with 6 sata ports everything has been smooth. I did have to replace a disk last week as it was showing checksum, read and write errors. ZFS rebuilt 2TB of data in around 5hours and did not loose any files at all.=20 Regards Graeme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 16:38:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8F51065676 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6E48FC30 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so3343124fxm.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=5o3FRoWqwXhRt+D/q5RrouYsB7mbnLT7o4XU1rAJLf8=; b=lafzXdsdT561sefM1oe0W5OvQI8YecdBJJktBYV09vRHHKrk6GW7ozZGqdg1fM6Tz2 cl3DDhbXC3Mz1FX/LpCivhFyTzKVN6rYq5t/wnnubLghfGMwk7ef/YL98yzF85VnaWAq NJWqsSWAmG81D9Ard8od+FtrZGp5cCNKnJjfo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=IVceQ7geQPdjWN5B+VZM29oZ5ODDR1Le76kyN4FRpCghtviLn4n5wT8sd5xo0BzhzE gDySEsE6tulaMPjzr+S+EjVuzDsQwsfFzEn3wa/OEx9CMh3VBiw3quj0V//yPZurX11Y maCHNyluy092kGxr5W67zjliagsiHY08b0YlA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.168.12 with SMTP id v12mr3794601muo.67.1243269499337; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956C7@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956C7@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> From: Valentin Bud Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:37:59 +0300 Message-ID: <139b44430905250937u3410ac24g1f0b9f89a0d51f22@mail.gmail.com> To: Graeme Dargie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Howard Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:21 -0000 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Graeme Dargie wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Jones [mailto:howard.jones@network-i.net] > Sent: 25 May 2009 14:58 > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: FreeBSD & Software RAID > > Hi, > > Can anyone with experience of software RAID point me in the right > direction please? I've used gmirror before with no trouble, but nothing > fancier. > > I have a set of brand new 1TB drives, a Sil3124 SATA card and a FreeBSD > 7.1-p4 system. > > I created a RAID 5 set with gvinum: > drive d0 device /dev/ad4s1a > drive d1 device /dev/ad6s1a > drive d2 device /dev/ad8s1a > drive d3 device /dev/ad10s1a > volume jumbo > plex org raid5 256k > sd drive d0 > sd drive d1 > sd drive d2 > sd drive d3 > > and it shows as up and happy. If I reboot, all the subdisks show as > stale, and so the plex is down. It seems to be doing a rebuild, although > it wasn't before, and would newfs, mount and accept data onto the new > plex before the reboot. > > Is there any way to avoid having to wait while gvinum apparently > calculates the parity on all those zeroes? > > Am I missing some step to 'liven up' the plex before the first reboot? > (loader.conf has the correct line to load gvinum at boot) I tried again, > with 'gvinum start jumbo' before rebooting, and that made no difference. > > Also is the configuration file format actually documented anywhere? I > got that example from someone's blog, but the gvinum manpage doesn't > mention the format at all! It *does* have a few pages dedicated to > things that don't work, which was handy... :-) The handbook is still > talking about ccd and vinum, and mostly covers the complications of > booting of such a device. > > On the subject of documentation, I'm also assuming that this: > S jumbo.p0.s2 State: I 1% D: d2 Size: > 931 GB > means it's 1% through initialising, because the states or the output of > 'list' aren't described in the manual either. > > I'm was half-considering switching to ZFS, but the most positive thing I > could find written about that (as implemented on FreeBSD) is that it > "doesn't crash that much", so perhaps not. That was from a while ago > though. > > Does anyone use software RAID5 (or RAIDZ) for data they care about? > > Cheers, > > Howie > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > I have been running ZFS RAIDZ for 5 months on a 7.1 amd64 install, I > have to say my experience has been mostly good. Initially I had an issue > with a pci sata card causing drives to disconnect, but after investing a > new motherboard with 6 sata ports everything has been smooth. I did have > to replace a disk last week as it was showing checksum, read and write > errors. ZFS rebuilt 2TB of data in around 5hours and did not loose any > files at all. > > Regards > > Graeme > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I have been using ZFS for about half an year. I just have mirroring with 2 drives. Never had a problem with it. I would go with ZFS in the future too. And yes the server is in production and it has all sort of important data. a great day, v -- network warrior since 2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 16:56:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67841106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:56:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93E48FC45 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:56:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 31419 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2009 16:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 25 May 2009 16:56:19 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 8F64E2841F; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:56:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:56:18 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Valentin Bud Message-ID: <20090525165618.GB8441@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956C7@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <139b44430905250937u3410ac24g1f0b9f89a0d51f22@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <139b44430905250937u3410ac24g1f0b9f89a0d51f22@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Howard Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Graeme Dargie Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:56:21 -0000 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 07:37:59PM +0300, Valentin Bud wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Graeme Dargie wrote: > > > Can anyone with experience of software RAID point me in the right > > direction please? I've used gmirror before with no trouble, but nothing > > fancier. [76 lines trimmed] > I have been using ZFS for about half an year. I just have mirroring > with 2 drives. Never had a problem with it. I would go with ZFS in the > future too. And yes the server is in production and it has all sort of > important data. I have looked at ZFS recently. Appears to be a memory hog, needs about 1 GB especially if large file transfers may occur over gigabit ethernet to/from other machines. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:07:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246971065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6390D8FC52 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:07:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PH7KEf039982; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:07:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PH7K4G039979; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:07:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:07:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Howard Jones In-Reply-To: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:07:31 -0000 i use gmirror but once i tried gvinum and it doesn't work well. i think simply use mirroring. ZFS will introduce 100 times more problems than it solves From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:09:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D46E106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3462B8FC25 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:09:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PH9FRf040001; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:09:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PH9FXV039998; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:09:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:09:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090525165618.GB8441@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956C7@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <139b44430905250937u3410ac24g1f0b9f89a0d51f22@mail.gmail.com> <20090525165618.GB8441@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Howard Jones , Graeme Dargie , Valentin Bud Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:09:24 -0000 > > I have looked at ZFS recently. Appears to be a memory hog, needs about 1 > GB especially if large file transfers may occur over gigabit ethernet while it CAN be set up on 256MB machine with a little big flags in loader.conf (should be autotuned anyway) - it generally takes as much memory as it's available, and LOTS of CPU power. with similar operations ZFS takes 10-20 TIMES more CPU than UFS and it's NOT faster than properly configured UFS. doesn't make any sense From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:11:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76259106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1828FC19 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PHBLSe040032; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:11:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PHBGxD040029; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:11:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:11:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:40 -0000 > > Do you ever think before you type? You regularly fill this mailing > list with crap please don't name things "crap" just because you don't understand From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:13:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513A51065672 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849228FC2F for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:13:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PHCmAe040051; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:12:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PHClfu040048; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:12:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:12:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:13:10 -0000 > I think Wojciech means '...which is NOT measure of CPU _utilization_' exactly what i said. > > In that case he's correct: whenever the CPU has to wait a lot for I/O, > like network and disk, then the _load_ will go up, while the CPU > _utilization_ stays low. and that's inconsistent with explanation that load average is measure of CPU load. it's not. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:16:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381BE106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05BA8FC35 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PHGDQo040085; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:16:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PHGBfI040082; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:16:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:16:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jos Chrispijn In-Reply-To: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:22 -0000 > I have some short movies (a la YouTube) that I would like to show as video > streams. Presenting them by download is messing up my bandwidth (...). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Can someone tell me if there is a simple solution installing such a stream > service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? somehow i can't understand you do you mean installing FreeBSD for this will use less bandwidth? about your question - simply use FTP or HTTP for this. This will be RIGHT solution, contrary to youtube nonsense that prevents any caching or simply downloading movie by forcing you to use their flash player. fortunately we have /usr/ports/www/youtube_dl :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:16:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972B3106568B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD9B8FC08 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PHGfUI090230; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:16:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4PHGfUI090230 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243271802; bh=i8AKZ6dUKTgBPVOhjIksXk4kwplzCFyeeHK36ENl/iU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A1AD273.6030702@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20M on,=2025=20May=202009=2018:16:35=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Unga=20|CC:=20freebsd-question s@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20How=20to=20say=20this=20in=20Bash?| References:=20<141688.69137.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>|In-Rep ly-To:=20<141688.69137.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>|X-Enigmail- Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dp gp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D= 0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig67412096748B144064C5D174"; b=FNcTlrdvAcE1rogrBjO7/0Pjlo6K+QIf4SYXX1WsAjZFs0qdjoe3SzIvL+GiK/TBv 0T2GpUmAuN0b4AbcT157L3aE3jIXj3J6l+m4PwUpjDfPSHVwHDlGKEkHwD3MS5PwLh qYvz6sdV7+Ux0ZlJclvn4fUlFf2VN7AcUZol8Lg0= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A1AD273.6030702@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:16:35 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Unga References: <141688.69137.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <141688.69137.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig67412096748B144064C5D174" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to say this in Bash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:50 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig67412096748B144064C5D174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unga wrote: > --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Matthew Seaman w= rote: > Here is what happens in bash shell: > $ echo "${X}" > ${Z} > bash: ${Z}: ambiguous redirect So, what's the value of ${Z}? Unless that expands to something that could be a valid file name you'll get an error message of some sort. hint: add set -x somewhere towards the top of the script and it will print a lot of debug output as it runs. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig67412096748B144064C5D174 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoa0nkACgkQ8Mjk52CukIy4+QCfUq3f1K+DNAAIJTD5bs1dyQ8y XEYAoJK8sFb5qOg8/vs5+PaDx8ujTD68 =WYH0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig67412096748B144064C5D174-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:21:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBF6106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:21:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2648FC29 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:21:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PHKxHt090323; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:20:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4PHKxHt090323 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243272059; bh=eWALjSwHc/ZHSWMIpa9xxjjbingBJfXz2D0CLpLQ3Uk=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A1AD37A.5030003@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20M on,=2025=20May=202009=2018:20:58=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Unga=20|CC:=20freebsd-question s@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20How=20to=20say=20this=20in=20Bash?| References:=20<904563.63141.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>|In-Rep ly-To:=20<904563.63141.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>|X-Enigmail- Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dp gp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D= 0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig04E2AC59A0F22B252D665B27"; b=LmUMF0uM/h5b8/uwbsBBHT6wI5Lr/wWsniu1Ld/AduXFztEy6CT92cB5mOOIZPkzS vi/GEkYwUDNaWYFr6T2z+6MLF+D15tPn9fzMov95pmyKUXxOoLOOCw1/0e0Kzi4HKb 3nzXJeGHA1j4uQh3qRHOquh3srZXEsGMMUqDprKA= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A1AD37A.5030003@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:20:58 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Unga References: <904563.63141.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <904563.63141.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig04E2AC59A0F22B252D665B27" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to say this in Bash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:21:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig04E2AC59A0F22B252D665B27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unga wrote: > --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Jerry wrote: >=20 >> From: Jerry >> Subject: Re: How to say this in Bash? >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 11:22 PM >> On Mon, 25 May 2009 07:36:45 -0700 >> (PDT) >> Unga >> wrote: >> >>> Here is what happens in bash shell: >>> $ echo "${X}" > ${Z} >>> bash: ${Z}: ambiguous redirect >> Perhaps I am misinterpreting your question; however, if I >> define both >> ${X} and ${Z} in a script prior to running your snippet, I >> do not >> receive any error message. Could you show more info on how >> you are >> attempting to run this snippet? >> >=20 > $ X=3D' >> XX1=3DYES >> XX2=3DYES >> ' > $ echo $X > XX1=3DYES XX2=3DYES > $ > $ Y=3D' >> YY1=3DYES >> YY2=3DYES >> ' > $ echo $Y > YY1=3DYES YY2=3DYES > $ > $ echo "${X}" > ${Z} > bash: ${Z}: ambiguous redirect >=20 > I want to append all variables in X and Y into Z so that "echo $Z" shou= ld be: > XX1=3DYES XX2=3DYES YY1=3DYES YY2=3DYES >=20 > I'm doing everything in command line not using any scripts. >=20 That's not how you set a variable. Do it like this: Z=3D"${X} ${Y}" You're mixing up variable initialisation with output to files. =20 Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig04E2AC59A0F22B252D665B27 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoa03sACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzXvQCgiJAxqVkzSwz58xxqb1qFHDOk IpQAoIgO6OeuAReDHgEvZ4FXMeizcHjw =a71g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig04E2AC59A0F22B252D665B27-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:28:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC3F1065676 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E596C8FC1F for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.143] (helo=smtp12.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8dxr-0005UH-E8; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:27:55 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp12.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8dxq-0004CZ-MS; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:27:54 +0200 Received: from mbp.egypt.nl (mbp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.33]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772533983B; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:27:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: From: Peter Boosten To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:27:58 +0200 References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1M8dxq-0004CZ-MS X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.6, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:28:01 -0000 On 25 mei 2009, at 19:12, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I think Wojciech means '...which is NOT measure of CPU _utilization_' > > exactly what i said. > Regardless from what you said: you _wrote_ CPU _load_, not cpu _utilization_, which are two completely different thingemies. The load averages in top describe the state the entire machine is in, not just the CPU. >> >> In that case he's correct: whenever the CPU has to wait a lot for I/ >> O, >> like network and disk, then the _load_ will go up, while the CPU >> _utilization_ stays low. > > and that's inconsistent with explanation that load average is > measure of CPU load. > > > it's not. I never claimed load average = CPU load! Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:45:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABE3106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1345F8FC0A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8eES-0004Ba-OG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:45:04 +0100 Received: from [94.168.153.236] (helo=Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8eES-0005D4-8o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:45:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:43:51 +0100 Message-ID: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CA@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 Thread-Index: AcndYF2/W4kLhBm8TAGOm486YUSMYA== From: "Graeme Dargie" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:45:06 -0000 Hi All I am trying to update 2 7.1 systems to 7.2. =20 sun3# freebsd-update upgrade -r 7.2RELEASE Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 2 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 7.1-RELEASE from update4.freebsd.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. =20 =20 Fetching metadata signature for 7.2RELEASE from update4.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching metadata signature for 7.2RELEASE from update5.freebsd.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. =20 No doubt there is something really obvious I am missing, but I just cant seem to figure it out, I know the commands I am using work as it worked fine with an i386 system. =20 Any advice would be greatly welcomed. =20 Regards =20 Graeme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:47:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A45106568C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:47:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698338FC1C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:47:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8eGV-0007MB-Lm; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:47:11 +0100 Received: from [94.168.153.236] (helo=Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8eGV-0000TW-0u; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:47:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:47:10 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CB@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD & Software RAID Thread-Index: AcndW7GWUY/kFT/FQRCDPaODR5mdBQAA043g From: "Graeme Dargie" To: "Wojciech Puchar" , Cc: Howard Jones , Valentin Bud Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:47:19 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl]=20 Sent: 25 May 2009 18:09 To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Cc: Howard Jones; Graeme Dargie; Valentin Bud Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID > > I have looked at ZFS recently. Appears to be a memory hog, needs about 1 > GB especially if large file transfers may occur over gigabit ethernet while it CAN be set up on 256MB machine with a little big flags in=20 loader.conf (should be autotuned anyway) - it generally takes as much=20 memory as it's available, and LOTS of CPU power. with similar operations ZFS takes 10-20 TIMES more CPU than UFS and it's NOT faster than properly configured UFS. doesn't make any sense _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Ok granted this is a server sat in my house and it is not a "mission" critical server in a large business, personally I have can live with ZFS taking a bit longer vs resilience. From just looking at my system at the moment I have 1.8GB of free ram from a total of 4GB. Regards=20 Graeme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:48:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833B11065729 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:48:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170BF8FC1C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 14451 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2009 17:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 25 May 2009 17:48:18 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 455682841F; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:48:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:48:18 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090525174818.GA32121@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956C7@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <139b44430905250937u3410ac24g1f0b9f89a0d51f22@mail.gmail.com> <20090525165618.GB8441@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Howard Jones , FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org, Graeme Dargie , Valentin Bud Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:48:21 -0000 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 07:09:15PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >I have looked at ZFS recently. Appears to be a memory hog, needs > >about 1 GB especially if large file transfers may occur over gigabit > >ethernet > > while it CAN be set up on 256MB machine with a little big flags in > loader.conf (should be autotuned anyway) - it generally takes as much > memory as it's available, and LOTS of CPU power. > > with similar operations ZFS takes 10-20 TIMES more CPU than UFS and > it's NOT faster than properly configured UFS. doesn't make any sense It makes a certain degree of sense. Sometimes things have to be done wrong for us to realize how good we had it before. How would we know how great FreeBSD is if we didn't have Linux? I had to look at ZFS to decide not to use it when I rebuild my storage this week due to a failing drive. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:54:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2609106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:54:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D260A8FC25 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:54:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PHsD8t040434; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:54:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PHsCKI040431; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:54:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:54:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Graeme Dargie In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CB@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Message-ID: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CB@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Howard Jones , FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org, Valentin Bud Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:54:19 -0000 > Ok granted this is a server sat in my house and it is not a "mission" > critical server in a large business, personally I have can live with ZFS > taking a bit longer vs resilience. simply gmirror and UFS gives the same. much simpler, much faster. but of course lots of people like to make their life harder From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:56:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64611065676 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1320A8FC23 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:56:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PHuYm5040462; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:56:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PHuYgx040459; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:56:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:56:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090525174818.GA32121@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956C7@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <139b44430905250937u3410ac24g1f0b9f89a0d51f22@mail.gmail.com> <20090525165618.GB8441@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20090525174818.GA32121@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Howard Jones , Graeme Dargie , Valentin Bud Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:56:41 -0000 > It makes a certain degree of sense. Sometimes things have to be done > wrong for us to realize how good we had it before. How would we know how > great FreeBSD is if we didn't have Linux? I had to look at ZFS to decide > not to use it when I rebuild my storage this week due to a failing > drive. you are right. you can't be happy of warm house without getting really cold some time :) that's why it's excellent that ZFS (and few other things) is included in FreeBSD but it's COMPLETELY optional. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 17:59:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F11106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:59:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE63E8FC14 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:59:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8eSV-0006Bx-B7; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:59:35 +0100 Received: from [94.168.153.236] (helo=Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8eSU-0001bo-Q4; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:59:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:58:25 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CC@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD & Software RAID Thread-Index: AcndYdwdy2/uZ8sUQlid6V61dj19MQAAE8fQ From: "Graeme Dargie" To: "Wojciech Puchar" Cc: Howard Jones , FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org, Valentin Bud Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:59:37 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl]=20 Sent: 25 May 2009 18:54 To: Graeme Dargie Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org; Howard Jones; Valentin Bud Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID > Ok granted this is a server sat in my house and it is not a "mission" > critical server in a large business, personally I have can live with ZFS > taking a bit longer vs resilience. simply gmirror and UFS gives the same. much simpler, much faster. but of course lots of people like to make their life harder No I am not making life harder at all ... I have 6x500gb hard disks I want in a good solid raid 5 type configuration. So you are somewhat wide of the mark in your assumptions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 18:20:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931FF106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBF78FC16 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:20:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PIKQKe040632; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:20:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PIKPET040629; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:20:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:20:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Graeme Dargie In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CC@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Message-ID: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CC@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Howard Jones , FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org, Valentin Bud Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:20:35 -0000 > but of course lots of people like to make their life harder > > No I am not making life harder at all ... I have 6x500gb hard disks I > want in a good solid raid 5 type configuration. So you are somewhat wide > of the mark in your assumptions. that's a reason. just don't forget that RAID-z is MUCH closer to RAID3 than RAID5. so you get random access speed of single drive, just higher transfer. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:00:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AF0106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:00:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B0A8FC2F for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4PJ0dVl070305; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:00:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A8374BA98; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:00:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:00:39 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Kelly Jones Message-ID: <20090525190039.GA39139@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:00:42 -0000 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:57:35PM -0700, Kelly Jones wrote: > Are there any secure openssl symmetric encryption routines that > *don't* use a salt? >=20 > Is it secure to use a random-but-fixed salt (openssl enc -S salt)? >=20 > "man enc" says "This option [-salt] should ALWAYS be used [...]" >=20 > Reason I ask: I was using this command to backup files using > compression/encryption: >=20 > bzip2 -k -c original | openssl enc -bf -pass file:passfile > encfile >=20 > and was surprised that doing this to identical files yielded different > results. I then realized "openssl enc" randomly(?) chooses a salt if > you don't supply one. So? It will still decrypt properly if you give the right password! =20 > I want my backups encrypted, but I also want identical files to > encrypt identically. Thoughts? You could use the -S option and specify a constant salt. It might make the encrypted materials easier to break, though. You can generate a random salt with openssl as well: openssl rand 8 | hexdump -e '"0x" 2 "%X" "\n"' (According to [http://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/EVP_BytesToKey.html], the salt is 8 bytes.)=20 Or you can use the -nosalt option. But as explained in [http://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/enc.html], using a random salt by default is a design decision because: "Without the -salt option it is possible to perform efficient dictionary attacks on the password". That doesn't sound good, does it? Alternatively, ports like security/ccrypt hash your password to make a key. They don't require a separate salt. If you are using a (e.g. USB connected) disk as backup, use geli(8) to encr= ypt the whole disk instead of encrypting each file separately. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoa6tcACgkQEnfvsMMhpyV4BQCeL1Gb+eQXcQKuN06giBS23cGy PEoAn3/cylVvsMNgEByCju9lotL407t6 =dJ6Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:01:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1E41065672 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19BB8FC2F for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8fQj-0001Sh-7y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:49 -0700 Message-ID: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "kristian.tenorio" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Nabble-From: kristian.tenorio@gmail.com References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:01:52 -0000 Nice, go on using Windows, Jerry. I will use my FreeBSD Box. But I'd like to point out that my earlier solution is not that good. I'm going to fix it here, Jerry and I'm sure this'll be interesting for Chandan. Throughout this reply I will give two solutions: an improvement of tpr and lpd-compatibility. The tpr script has a major drawback: It has low performance and very low printing quality. Another drawback is that it'll not work in some (or all, I don't know) GNOM= E programs. I improved performance a little in this new version and this one has normal printing quality. So here are the steps: 0) Follow the steps 0-7 of my earlier document, if you have still not done that stuff. 1) The step 8 is the same with the difference that the script is updated.= =20 Changes are in italic. #!/bin/bash F=3D/compat/linux/usr/bin/tpprint P=3DCanon_PIXMA_iP8500 ; D=3D/dev/ulpt0 if [ $1 ]; then S=3D$1 ; else S=3D- ; fi gs -q -sDEVICE=3Dpcx24b -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -r200 \ -sOutputFile=3D$HOME/tpr.pcx -c 3000000 setvmthreshold -f $S $F -d$P $HOME/tpr.pcx $HOME/tpr.job ; rm $HOME/tpr.pcx cat $HOME/tpr.job >$D ; rm $HOME/tpr.job 2) Do step 9 found in the first part of my earlier document and print using the same steps. NOW THE NEW SOLUTION This solution will bring you less problems, no need of commands to print an= d high-quality. 0) Follow the steps 0-7 of my earlier document, if you have still haven't. 1) Enable the lpd daemon if it isn't enabled in your system by adding this line to /etc/rc.conf (as root) lpd_enable=3D"YES" 2) Add the following lines to /etc/printcap as root (this is an example of the Pixma iP8500 of Chandan). ip8500|canon|lp|usb|pixma|Canon Pixma iP8500 USB Printer:\ :sh:lp=3D/dev/ulpt0:\ :if=3D/usr/local/bin/if_ip8500:\ :sd=3D/var/spool/lpd/ip8500: The printer will be named ip8500. The other values in the first line are called alias names. Notice the lp alias (in bold). This will set up your printer as the defaul= t one. Delete that alias if you don't want that printer to be the default. The lp variable in the next line will point to your printer's device. The if variable will refer to an input filter that doesn't exist yet. The sd variable will point to a directory for spooling that we don't have created yet. 3) Now we will do a simple PostScript input filter. This one will not process plain text. If you want to do a better one refer to the Printing section in the FreeBSD HandBook. Do it with your favourite text editor --I recommend using vi though. #!/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=3Dpcx24b \ -r600 -sOutputFile=3D- -c 3000000 setvmthreshold -f - | \ /compat/linux/usr/bin/tpprint -dCanon_PIXMA_iP8500 - - && exit 0 || exit 2 If you want to print using only black ink, use pcxgray instead of pcx24b If you want to change the resolution change the 600 to whatever you want. I don't recommend using less than 200. Notice the place where the driver i= s set. Name the script if_ip8500, save it in your home dir. and make it executable by typing in your shell. chmod 755 if_ip8500 4) It is time to copy the input filter to the bin directory. Enter as root and type the following command: cp /home/YOUR_USERNAME/if_ip8500 /usr/local/bin 5) Now we have to do the spooling directory for the Canon P. iP8500. As root type the following: mkdir /var/spool/lpd/ip8500 chown daemon:daemon /var/spool/lpd/ip8500 chmod 770 /var/spool/lpd/ip8500 6) Restart your system and enjoy it. You simply have to send your job from your app. through lpr. Remember, if you get a gray square, it is possibly that you haven't bought TurboPrint, it's not my problem. Jerry-107 wrote: >=20 > On Sat, 23 May 2009 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT) > "kristian.tenorio" wrote: >=20 >> >>Well, you have a Canon iP8500. I guess I can really help you. >>I have tried TurboPrint on FreeBSD and it works. Here is what I did: >> >>0) I installed the Fedora linux compat package from my FreeBSD discs >>1) I enabled the linux compatibility by adding as root the following >>line to /etc/rc.conf >>linux_enable=3D"YES" >>2) I installed bash and symlinked it to /bin by running as root >>cd /bin ; ln -s `which bash` >>3) I installed ghostscript, you probably have it installed already >>4) I mounted as root the linprocfs by running >>mount -t linprocfs linprocfs /compat/linux/proc >>5) I downloaded the .tgz Turboprint file, copied it to my home and >>untarred it using >>tar xzf MYTURBOPRINTFILE >>where MYTURBOPRINTFILE is the name of the file you downloaded ending >>in .tgz 6) I changed to the new folder and ran as root this, following >>the on-screen instructions >>brandelf -t 'Linux' setup >>./setup >>~~~TURBOPRINT SETUP PROGRAM: SOME QUESTIONS AND STUFF ON THE SCREEN~~~~ >>cd /compat/linux/usr/bin >>ls t* >>7) With this last command you see some new programs installed from the >>Turboprint setup like >>tpprint, turboprint, etc. You simply change its brand, as root of >>course by running on each of them >>brandelf -t 'Linux' TURBOPRINT-BINARY >>where TURBOPRINT-BINARY is the name of each executable file you think >>is Turboprint's. >>8) Now is time to do the script. Enter your text editor on your >>session, copy the following >>script AS IS and save it as tpr on your home directory. Notice the P=3D >>and D=3D fields. >> >>#!/bin/bash >>F=3D/compat/linux/usr/bin/tpprint >>P=3DCanon_PIXMA_iP8500 >>D=3D/dev/ulpt0 >>if [ $1 ]; then S=3D$1 ; else S=3D- ; fi >>gs -sDEVICE=3Dpcx24b -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dTextAlphaBits=3D4 >>-dGraphicsAlphaBits=3D2 \ >>-dMaxBitmap=3D10000000 -sOutputFile=3D$HOME/tpr.pcx $S >>$F -d$P $HOME/tpr.pcx $HOME/tpr.job ; rm $HOME/tpr.pcx >>cat $HOME/tpr.job >$D ; rm $HOME/tpr.job >> >>9) Make it executable and copy it to /usr/local/bin as root, something >>like cd /home/YOUR_USERNAME >>chmod 555 tpr >>cp tpr /usr/local/bin >> >>Now, it is installed. When you want to print follow these steps. >>Remember, you have to do this every time you turn your printer on. >> >>1) Turn on your printer >>2) Run the following command as root >>chmod 666 /dev/ulpt0 >>This will allow every user in the system print. >>3) Go to the File menu in your app and select Print as you'd always do >>4) If it is KDE, click Advanced Options and select (generic) from the >>menu. If it's not KDE look for printing through a command. The idea >>here is to print using a command. >>5) Look for the command field and type tpr >>6) Click OK or whatever else in your program and it will print your job >> >>You can print also a PDF or PostScript file on your terminal (it all) >>by running >>tpr FILENAME >> >>It works on whatever printer. If you have another printer simply >>change the P=3D field in the script. >>For instance, I have it P=3DCanon_i250 since I have a Canon i250 USB >>printer installed at home. >>If it doesn't work maybe the device is wrong. If the /dev/ulpt0 >>doesn't work, try /dev/unlpt0 if USB, >>or /dev/lpt0 for Parallel's. That is set in the D=3D field. /dev/ulpt0 >>should work for USB Printers. >> >>Send me an email. I really want to know whether it does work for you >>or not. >>Here it is, kristian.tenorio@gmail.com >> >> >>Chandan Haldar wrote: >>>=20 >>> Couldn't fix it with the time I could spend... so still saving >>> printouts for >>> Windoz. :-( I know, I know, it's a shame... >>>=20 >>> On 12/8/06, a@zeos.net wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 08:59:51PM +0530, Chandan Haldar wrote: >>>> > I'm searching for ways to print on a Canon PIXMA IP8500 >>>> > from FreeBSD 6.0 Release. >>>> > >>>> > Has anyone tried to make the linux driver for PIXUS IP 8600 >>>> > from canon.jp work for the PIXMA IP 8500 on FreeBSD? >>>> > >>>> > Has anyone tried the TurboPrint linux driver on FreeBSD? >>>> > I need it bad enough to even buy this Euro 30 driver if >>>> > it works on FreeBSD. >>>> > >>>> > It's incredibly annoying to have to boot Win just to print >>>> > :-(. >>>> > >>>> > Chandan >>>> >>>> How do you print on your Canon PIXMA? >>>> I have a Canon PIXMA iP 2000 and the same problem. >>>> >>>> Elisej Babenko >=20 > Seriously, before I spent all that time and trouble, I would just use a > Windows PC. Then again, that is just my 2=C2=A2. >=20 > --=20 > Jerry > gesbbb@yahoo.com >=20 > A friend of mine won't get a divorce, because he hates > lawyers more than he hates his wife. >=20 > =20 >=20 --=20 View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Canon-printer-and= -TurboPrint-tp7752609p23711563.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:09:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661E5106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:09:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9296D8FC17 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PJ8kCd040993; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:08:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PJ8f31040990; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:08:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:08:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:09:11 -0000 > > Regardless from what you said: you _wrote_ CPU _load_, not cpu what's a difference for you between "CPU load" and "CPU utilization"? i mean CPU load not system load. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:18:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB621065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE978FC1E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:18:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.139] (helo=smtp8.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8fgp-0005vO-EF; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:18:27 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp8.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8fgm-0006Cc-3h; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:18:24 +0200 Received: from mbp.egypt.nl (mbp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.33]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38403983B; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:18:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> From: Peter Boosten To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:18:20 +0200 References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1M8fgm-0006Cc-3h X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.111, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:18:30 -0000 On 25 mei 2009, at 21:08, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> Regardless from what you said: you _wrote_ CPU _load_, not cpu > what's a difference for you between "CPU load" and "CPU utilization"? > i mean CPU load not system load. The CPU will perform the same, whether at 10% utilization, or at 100% utilization, the system however won't. That's the difference between load and utilization. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:24:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814F51065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:24:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7EC8FC1B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PJOac7041075; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:24:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PJOZxY041072; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:24:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:24:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:24:56 -0000 > > The CPU will perform the same, whether at 10% utilization, or at 100% > utilization, the system however won't. > That's the difference between load and utilization. still don't understand you. CPU will not perform the same at 10% utilization, it will perform 10 times less than at 100% utilization. CPU load == CPU utilization == how big percentage of time CPU (or CPUs by average) are doing anything except being in idle loop or hlt/waiting for interrupt. it's exactly the same words in that context. load average is how much processes (by average) is not doing calculations because something is not yet available and depends of computer resources(*) - like CPU time, disk I/O results etc.. (*) - for example waiting on tty read is not calculated to load average as it's depends on human not computer. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:26:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E7F1065680 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1D68FC0A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:25:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so3435544fxm.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:25:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gX/P2Zsd/0Ig/8f5XA9iahcOl3vy+yLoFYhLj+6rZfE=; b=deWq1FR/aFwdyQJg9edZ7aZixgmNDeMRQnrdCXWEY++WJRGSnmSQqJU5SkxKn7AMeP gPPC0WWAMW5UQ1t6v9G63pgQHJYVG64JB+E6YmlK3EHhf4DWDFOe2DDqeDfJhZw9vksr mcSZxuabuYdv1Uy+7PVcGVE74bTzlguVPclyE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Dh/Gct+1RHnrH0uXuovkaVN/2TI/WpdY2s/zQdgnLKBzrpfSi6EnAX4fALl/8Vrdyw 1Pjurq4NERvlFdMLvNChjGnTmMa0nLg8/b3uFnOrSOSUdfGT0Qd2T+36P95AsRXWTLlT dB+gaIXOZIof7tWYGhdF69FQKXQH5zROYhPlA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.203 with SMTP id b11mr7257758bkq.109.1243279554674; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:25:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:25:54 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Jos Chrispijn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:26:01 -0000 Hi, Jos On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > I have some short movies (a la YouTube) that I would like to show as video > streams. Presenting them by download is messing up my bandwidth (...). > Can someone tell me if there is a simple solution installing such a stream > service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? In ports/multimedia, there are a few tools to do streaming. I found a few by doing: make search key="streaming" in the ports directory. IMHO, streaming versus downloading is more bandwidth intensive overall. HTH -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:26:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223A310656A5 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DA88FC3C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4PJQnMg079584; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:26:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E397BBA98; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:26:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:26:48 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Kelly Jones Message-ID: <20090525192648.GB39139@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <26face530905242339g448b7047s72fcff768a2346f1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26face530905242339g448b7047s72fcff768a2346f1@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using rsync for versioned backups without --backup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:26:51 -0000 --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:39:57PM -0700, Kelly Jones wrote: > I want to use rsync to backup a large file (say 1G) that changes a > little each day (say 1M), but I also want the ability to re-create > older versions of this file. >=20 > I could use --backup, but that would create a 1G file each day, even > though I only "really" need the 1M that's changed. >=20 > How do I tell rsync: "while updating, also store the changes you'd > need to convert today's backup into yesterday's backup"? I don't think rsync can do that. Essentially it is a file copying tool. You could use diff if it is a text-only file, or xdelta if it is a binary file. But both would require you to keep at least two subsequent versions of the file so a diff can be generated. You'd need to do something like this every day: diff -u foo-yesterday foo >diff-20090525 # save the diff somewhere rm foo-yesterday cp foo foo-yesterday Another possibility is to control the file with a revision control system. If the file is plain text, rcs(1) will work. If it is a binary file use a system like devel/git that handles binary files well.=20 Say that your file is called . Since git tracks directory contents, best put it in a separate directory, and put that under git control: mkdir ~/foo mv bar ~/foo/ cd ~/foo git init git add bar git commit -a -m "Initial commit" So now you can start changing the file. Next day you see if it has changed, and if so, check in the changes: cd ~/foo git status git commit -m "Changes 2009-05-25" bar If you now make a backup of ~/foo/.git, you can always restore every checkin you did of . Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoa8PgACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWRXACfb9FYiBWO0aevXbIrNobBCxg1 ZUQAni0nGpH31qcdVjIkdQIFJNO4iX9g =Cebb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:30:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB6210656B4 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D928FC08 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PJUVJZ041124; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:30:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PJUUVN041121; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:30:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:30:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jos Chrispijn , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:30:42 -0000 > > make search key="streaming" > > in the ports directory. IMHO, streaming versus downloading is more > bandwidth intensive overall. and give NO adventages. anyway - file that is available through FTP/HTTP or similar way you can stream too. just without any extra tools both under windoze and unix. under windoze browsers can open movie and play, under unix you can give URL's to mplayer like files or define mplayer as player for .avi,.flv,.rm etc files. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:31:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF96A1065689 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f165.google.com (mail-bw0-f165.google.com [209.85.218.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5598FC1B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so3398608bwz.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:31:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GzlgKa90RnMsEnUcf+CyMVdSnr0YhCc5vqReDftWlUE=; b=WEpdw3Ue/0KAO0BED0bOpSMy1m5ccOP0cFBmgfL9lV9jWuSiRvST2feI94mrnKEH6Y bwYp0ukA+6goAoONQ5AzomEjMNL3FVD5x9LBmNDAExMUOvb7mOQ5AXBKPYoToaeLwfK4 VmCztQTLJpJj5mpIwFD1ZXdSBAr4HifpGh3NI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=L+9+Em/1gdfLrsQNag7codOcxLhKoUUOnOEgq5lahtk57gWxUXSS3AlB5kE8xNaSqd s74ctcomDNAOfCZ8J6tPwGaLHJCiycSPecU3sWEE5mU29jKUwDOjAhiKKzKr4xbTZ+iU jlAx7h/N6L5tMPSR4G3srsthh9ItnriNsDulY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.71.82 with SMTP id g18mr7261176bkj.120.1243279883236; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:31:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:31:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905251231x8c61c93j97bf364ebea8d533@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Peter Boosten Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:31:25 -0000 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> The CPU will perform the same, whether at 10% utilization, or at 100% >> utilization, the system however won't. >> That's the difference between load and utilization. > > still don't understand you. > > CPU will not perform the same at 10% utilization, it will perform 10 times > less than at 100% utilization. > You are assuming this based on what? > CPU load == CPU utilization == how big percentage of time CPU (or CPUs by > average) are doing anything except being in idle loop or hlt/waiting for > interrupt. > it's exactly the same words in that context. > Not true. top(1) can fully utilize the CPU. Doing so does not put the system under full load. > > load average is how much processes (by average) is not doing calculations > because something is not yet available and depends of computer resources(*) > - like CPU time, disk I/O results etc.. > > (*) - for example waiting on tty read is not calculated to load average as > it's depends on human not computer. What? -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:34:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8201065762 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FAA8FC15 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.140] (helo=smtp9.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8fwE-0005wg-Cq; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:34:22 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp9.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8fvy-0004NW-MN; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:34:06 +0200 Received: from mbp.egypt.nl (mbp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.33]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B593983B; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:34:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: From: Peter Boosten To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:34:05 +0200 References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1M8fvy-0004NW-MN X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.741, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:34:25 -0000 On 25 mei 2009, at 21:24, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> The CPU will perform the same, whether at 10% utilization, or at >> 100% utilization, the system however won't. >> That's the difference between load and utilization. > > still don't understand you. > > CPU will not perform the same at 10% utilization, it will perform 10 > times less than at 100% utilization. *sigh* The CPU = "Central Processing Unit" will perform it's calculations at so many megahertz while at 10% utilization or at 100% utilization. The entire machine is only performing at 10% of its capacity, in your statement above. Load = burden. Under heavy _load_ the _machine_ will become sluggish, but the CPU will still be performing at the same megahertz speed. You cannot put the CPU under load (=burden), since it was designed to perform at 100% (actually it can be, if the queue length gets too large, and then it's called load, but that's not being done in top). The fact that the CPU has to wait for some I/O will not influence the performance of the CPU, but to the entire machine. > > > CPU load == CPU utilization == how big percentage of time CPU (or > CPUs by average) are doing anything except being in idle loop or hlt/ > waiting for interrupt. > it's exactly the same words in that context. > > > load average is how much processes (by average) is not doing > calculations because something is not yet available and depends of > computer resources(*) - like CPU time, disk I/O results etc.. > Actually, it's a combination of both running and waiting processes. > (*) - for example waiting on tty read is not calculated to load > average as it's depends on human not computer. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:35:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303FD106567C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:35:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C998FC15 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:34:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PJYo8p041204; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:34:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PJYoXe041201; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:34:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:34:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905251231x8c61c93j97bf364ebea8d533@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> <4ad871310905251231x8c61c93j97bf364ebea8d533@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Peter Boosten Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:35:03 -0000 > Not true. top(1) can fully utilize the CPU. Doing so does not put > the system under full load. top uses small percentage of CPU power. if it would use all - it WOULD mean full CPU load. >> >> load average is how much processes (by average) is not doing calculations >> because something is not yet available and depends of computer resources(*) >> - like CPU time, disk I/O results etc.. >> >> (*) - for example waiting on tty read is not calculated to load average as >> it's depends on human not computer. > > What? exactly what i wrote. reread if you don't understand. anyway i'm quitting this discussion as it's obvious for most people that can read what i mean and what CPU load/utilization mean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:38:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C241065689 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4C68FC22 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PJbmAQ041235; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:37:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PJbmIs041232; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:37:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:37:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:38:26 -0000 > The CPU = "Central Processing Unit" will perform it's calculations at so many > megahertz while at 10% utilization or at 100% utilization. The entire machine no. it will not. all today x86 CPUs reacts on HLT command and doesn't do anything except waiting for interrupt (and saving lots of power). > is only performing at 10% of its capacity, in your statement above. no - CPU is performing at 10% of it's capacity. entire machine (disks, network etc.) is another thing. >> > > Actually, it's a combination of both running and waiting processes. yes that's true. i missed this - all waiting for machine resource to be available+those which are presently calculating something. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:42:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7605D1065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:42:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBAA8FC19 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.136] (helo=smtp5.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8g4L-0006iV-9H; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:42:45 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp5.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8g4I-0007zP-FV; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:42:42 +0200 Received: from mbp.egypt.nl (mbp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.33]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C733983B; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:42:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <29229B06-6098-4488-9E9A-A5CFE6F9643B@boosten.org> From: Peter Boosten To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:42:40 +0200 References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1M8g4I-0007zP-FV X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.741, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:42:46 -0000 On 25 mei 2009, at 21:37, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> The CPU = "Central Processing Unit" will perform it's calculations >> at so many megahertz while at 10% utilization or at 100% >> utilization. The entire machine > > no. it will not. all today x86 CPUs reacts on HLT command and > doesn't do anything except waiting for interrupt (and saving lots of > power). > Do you actually read back what you write: you're saying here that when a CPU has only 10% utilization, it'll run slower than when performing at 100%... I'm giving up ;-) Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 19:48:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB406106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:48:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 26FD48FC14 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77940 invoked from network); 25 May 2009 19:48:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=TyUL3QOUmEbf1sTP+JRVsyhQ7lWR/h+KxnoLHo8lGNIL3RMXSficfQ1U83DOK4Qsp6CM8Nj5h/TDWgw7Ci/41IrkKNFM7Awo1Y57vWHZ4Ky2p8c0GWYU1B+NmqXw0mG8kcc4r2mC+zDih6eBkgvNRkxcCopZ3+wWebux8x+o9kI= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2009 12:48:27 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: ut4FIkcVM1mY_22wBX90KMWiW4ijS7mZvfPOQr5IJoPorLDUAPQPbwfGRbCTgeFOGgEj9ZByboiI1oIEXkTIqQNPirCnJ9oF1495b6ShzzAtdgYwKDoLwNQAwpDc3yTRNK7xp.QIfMqzBS.lv46pBTuNx05oi_Nq2nTp.pkaa2DbNH8YvnitpSaBk5foV2avOhRXEqE3gu4j4pfJwLm_pHMrxjuXnw2OkXuZNaUrireKtOqfLyXPOaQhxu6qPBn2QiliAX5jJ0QxX7ubJ2llWKQUJjJnDDvMBF5kUdav0s24xAgsbb4wPg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:48:16 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEX+/v7++v6YOTrq8PCcuIX989UvOSj++v0BNCbpAAAAB3RJTUUHsQwfFzs7RBhzUQAAAhJJREFUOI1dU8GOqzAMNKIoV1bvwD1i0ysqrHplIdBrVSX7ATSbd03VVvn9tQNtQy0hjAdn7LED4AAcPtWm9RV+MPSfxhBLx9ajd6X/ngB6/mTwnRSZua7i7Ca+0ctZKo4Qmz+JY13X6I3nFZBxIYW1PbgfQ5RP8g0XlltEWGf3cV03joYpRnFbvYDKbXjZlXyyhEZA4lI+cN3NaVXE4VKjSwTExO10eTEkkJVqIAD5z0nUBQJluQDRSQjcrBiHAJxZlAH5CUMBMC7OcJ4LMQNnxhZ1HYPscMc6J4UlWRMNwzOpCcAHKSICd1EDn83abdREIbXsHkD1OinP1aCUCOEVRaa1lMcvywUWdYgk13JQUpYNKmvXQ8Kw5ML9YI5h8SakctBc7E/IYuLhYd/zZIk+1gM1vNweQBvHE0j+oYah3sMqAytQYlZk6+ANaaawJdu3OFzYGMZ3iGpa3qMlq9ZH0VZTgrCtw/ngdYkEIIpSbP1bWQAdFdX9vocBdkH2qVjVmuMu3gI5rjs814EUdrCZgWlPaxZZ3RiLFUtr+ud0PXwp2dnQSNXgePt6AZpBj6UMJ7VQkzN4utVeaSW1Dhn/kblGrKeMvNGnzwX4zuEDarYz1KdPtR60Gul0Gued+515SJXhCsl+Tx/3kY/UDvicPll9mfu50t3tvQ/thZpJYgeuwdSKNJ6tCD98MCgoxLDaPxbwqqwPWaWiAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/TfgSlTd17Tm1cCDVK9yeuk/"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:48:28 -0000 --Sig_/TfgSlTd17Tm1cCDVK9yeuk/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) "kristian.tenorio" wrote: >Nice, go on using Windows, Jerry. I will use my FreeBSD Box. >But I'd like to point out that my earlier solution is not that good. >I'm going to fix it here, Jerry and I'm sure this'll be interesting for >Chandan. Nice, go on "TOP POSTING". I prefer to post in a more logical way. Seriously, one of the major problems I face when trying to get an associate or friend to try a non Windows solution is printing. Windows users are use to just sticking a CD in the box, installing the driver and whatever other programs the distributor has assembled for them, and then printing. *nix systems have never been really 'printer' friendly. If we are ever going to increase the market share, improving the whole printer 'experience' needs to be given some serious consideration. Personally, I cannot see a child or even many adults, going through the convoluted steps you have described needed to get a simple printer to work. There has to be a better way. Then again, that is just my 2=C2=A2 on the matter. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Alas, how love can trifle with itself! William Shakespeare, "The Two Gentlemen of Verona" --Sig_/TfgSlTd17Tm1cCDVK9yeuk/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoa9gkACgkQBvaKIJWWCO2+OQCeNV6uUguQK/2U7RzO7dOU+xEK 8goAnAo3Kai8TSQpM0WiAlyDRdstSIY7 =eWe4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/TfgSlTd17Tm1cCDVK9yeuk/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 20:37:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F361065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7738FC16 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:37:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E59250944; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:37:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (unknown [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFF750858; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:37:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:38:52 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:37:47 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I have some short movies (a la YouTube) that I would like to show as >> video streams. Presenting them by download is messing up my bandwidth >> (...). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Can someone tell me if there is a simple solution installing such a >> stream service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? > > somehow i can't understand you > > do you mean installing FreeBSD for this will use less bandwidth? I already have FreeBSD installed. Just wondering if there is a streaming server for it. Hardly can believe that dedicated download (by opening the remote file in a media player) will be more efficient that a streaming server that takes care of bandwidth throttle and average processing time on (http) requests. I want to provide some animated presentations with voice over that have been recorded earlier. > fortunately we have /usr/ports/www/youtube_dl :) Eh, that sound familiar l-) thanks for sharing, Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 20:55:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD541065670 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:55:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B8E8FC40 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:55:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so3442849bwz.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:55:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0aMpHINvBQDC2CdSr9o18anxoYYclukfM0321hjYons=; b=Er5p1A8IW9MZZeB9UtT85RUJ71/W8cvJDakgTdBlr05nmpGts3oLxJ3O4mlWi1qAUY lECXy+GEukIYDOZKUSq2WkDXdhaReK2KZqvFPLepyxij0K00tUeQTN6JJqBucnVw5LEG oj8QXELKOTu5AwGQAJw+1ib3RIG8PcFmwB6g4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pcIWuv86ndAmJ3DXBNJnhM0ZjGswxNKF8OHJIq5w3cMbJ9dGJc2oGvLDidp0V+GcTt OJFfS6JG+J2maJzm9uijkPK2tug4i53ZBTG4/IlrJSQnW6SB79QPmCsl/v6Ax++nSXcj cvCua8ic317pJd44Q/IvGLWf2Z++CO2f8U0uk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.101.71 with SMTP id b7mr7351188bko.156.1243284911326; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:55:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> From: Chris Rees Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:54:49 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:55:13 -0000 2009/5/25 Wojciech Puchar : > you are funny. > > Don't ever send me private messages like that. You are a troll who gives harmful and misleading advice. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 21:06:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4B1106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f159.google.com (mail-ew0-f159.google.com [209.85.219.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC0D8FC13 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so3387486ewy.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:06:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PKAzpAKpzotgRTKZ0h8bp84FvXQXWuRzkyICgT9SFoM=; b=OjlnGAYlAqitLE5Ts/9W7fzcPFDoznY8/itnMoh2aOa87VzPwql9VMbKJOlgCPULaR mx/WoN0zxtGvsTw37C6A2j5spysCJW31BntV3lzNzWhOrrRec44BXb56TgD07DDzXAN0 +kE9UYPg4SqVo0hJX78qjP6ypillgL2NKQkG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dXoiKFX9U7Se5wcrUFzVtDOs6fjpjjD6nAlwlQyhpfNUfpiYFlX+ub6pcJXOK6DtOm 3SscCV7OQ9wXDCwzI7PNUytpCChinVRas2Ym0fiLNhuRbAO4iQYFJF43fYyYQs4nbKo/ ka1D4ZrKyTBjx8f1xxRPoyEQG3rihIB7EuzQ8= Received: by 10.216.45.73 with SMTP id o51mr2358147web.10.1243285564636; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2897391eyh.0.2009.05.25.14.06.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 May 2009 14:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:06:01 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090525220601.1a9f7109@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090525190039.GA39139@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> <20090525190039.GA39139@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:06:06 -0000 On Mon, 25 May 2009 21:00:39 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > Or you can use the -nosalt option. But as explained in > [http://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/enc.html], using a random salt by > default is a design decision because: "Without the -salt option it is > possible to perform efficient dictionary attacks on the password". > That doesn't sound good, does it? It's not a problem since she's using a random key file, not a weak password. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 21:07:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A540D1065677 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3738FC1B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159D22E363; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:06:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:06:57 +0200 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:07:02 -0000 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 09:30:30PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > make search key="streaming" > > > > in the ports directory. IMHO, streaming versus downloading is more > > bandwidth intensive overall. > > and give NO adventages. > > anyway - file that is available through FTP/HTTP or similar way you can > stream too. just without any extra tools both under windoze and unix. You're aware of UDP-based real-time streaming protocols, right? RTP being one of them: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3550 In streaming vs. file download there's a trade off. In file streaming, all data must arrive, and it doesn't matter that retransmission of lost packets temporarily interrupts the transmission (that's what TCP does very well). In streaming, lost packets are tolerated, as long as the transmission doesn't "hang" (e.g. due to retransmissions). Here, UDP- based protocols are often a better choice. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 21:38:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EBA106566C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65C48FC1D for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1957914ywe.13 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:38:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=khobkVn9pUbA8mHrqR0EzpxrLJggLxPhUGUzece9DdY=; b=pPKCJWn0ePhutsP4iYx4RDKnKQ4UoUcdevfPVoyfvzoxsElz6gjwvPqzReIpI7IoC2 TFtu58mrITCRSJrd9sWAcgsEG0Hys2jS52D18GRouAk3OhtwBL/kadiICk7c0e1wBwql Hvmms+Hhbwe9rQvUS9yhMb9jFZTzf2RwtGeOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RoLZwX8xUlxxb7/XBh/UNW63hYGRLLPNDJIUZJcYXRzbm/g/J+uS/dyciJKb2I82d6 IBHAjDYb6+Sqbu5o3Huq7UksHeVDF0Nz3BcLzzR9EN5kNwV8nelSw6hT4lOrQuAOeG8W Vi0PPq8uIImoaTnMu+xgFCi6f/ZpMfWLjCKGQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.10.136 with SMTP id p8mr1464838ibp.14.1243287516719; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:38:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CA@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CA@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:38:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Graeme Dargie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:38:38 -0000 2009/5/25 Graeme Dargie : > Hi All > > I am trying to update 2 7.1 systems to 7.2. > > > > sun3# freebsd-update upgrade -r 7.2RELEASE 7.2-RELEASE Maybe? -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 21:46:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4EF106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1CB8FC19 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4PLlGsb018958 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:46:07 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090525214604.GA28439@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: OOo question re my novel... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:46:15 -0000 guys, one thing i need to do before i submit my 600+ page tell-all "novel" is fihure out howto turn *this* into italics in Ooo-3.01. i don't think any regular publisher world rish this so it;s a roll-you-own. what i submit in doc [or odt] is what gets published. i can turn *this* into /this/, but still can't figure out how to have openoffice turn all the words i want italicized into actual italics. anybody know offhand? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 21:28:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEA9106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (brucec-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:c09::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D495B8FC08 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266B719019; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:28:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=8.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from gluon.draftnet (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:0:240:f4ff:fe57:9871]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:28:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:28:10 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Peter Boosten Message-ID: <20090525222810.57e96c4a@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <29229B06-6098-4488-9E9A-A5CFE6F9643B@boosten.org> References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> <29229B06-6098-4488-9E9A-A5CFE6F9643B@boosten.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:13 +0000 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com, Yuri Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:28:16 -0000 On Mon, 25 May 2009 21:42:40 +0200 Peter Boosten wrote: > > On 25 mei 2009, at 21:37, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >> The CPU = "Central Processing Unit" will perform it's > >> calculations at so many megahertz while at 10% utilization or at > >> 100% utilization. The entire machine > > > > no. it will not. all today x86 CPUs reacts on HLT command and > > doesn't do anything except waiting for interrupt (and saving lots > > of power). > > > > Do you actually read back what you write: you're saying here that > when a CPU has only 10% utilization, it'll run slower than when > performing at 100%... While it's not the default behaviour, if you run powerd(8) then yes, the CPU will run slower when it's less utilized. My laptop will run at between 150MHz and 2500MHz depending on the current workload. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 21:52:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A42E106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:52:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B538FC15 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4PLq5IJ015951; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:52:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4FD7ABA98; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:52:05 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: RW Message-ID: <20090525215205.GA45395@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> <20090525190039.GA39139@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090525220601.1a9f7109@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090525220601.1a9f7109@gumby.homeunix.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:52:07 -0000 --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:06:01PM +0100, RW wrote: > On Mon, 25 May 2009 21:00:39 +0200 > Roland Smith wrote: >=20 >=20 > > Or you can use the -nosalt option. But as explained in > > [http://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/enc.html], using a random salt by > > default is a design decision because: "Without the -salt option it is > > possible to perform efficient dictionary attacks on the password". > > That doesn't sound good, does it? >=20 > It's not a problem since she's using a random key file, not a weak > password. But a key alone is not sufficient. You'll need to specify an initialization vector as well, using the -iv option. E.g.: openssl enc -aes256 -in -out .aes \ -K 971001EE50DCDBCAF3F521851E773B0285838CA549E2258C1A195565D61F2145 \ -iv FD246E34A631AE38 If you try it with only a key or keyfile, you'll get a 'iv undefined' error, resulting in a zero-length output file. :-( If you use a password (-pass) you don't need an iv. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkobEwUACgkQEnfvsMMhpyW6ewCgg2Y7n2+YDvlZO5H/jfYgL6vV GpQAoKZp6F4Ojrv36rDF6FLTYfcix/vY =ksp5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:02:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044601065672 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from farid@hajji.name) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C59B8FC1B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from farid@hajji.name) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47FC3519A; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:46:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:46:21 +0200 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090525214621.GB12424@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> <20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:02:57 -0000 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:06:57PM +0200, cpghost wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 09:30:30PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > > > make search key="streaming" > > > > > > in the ports directory. IMHO, streaming versus downloading is more > > > bandwidth intensive overall. > > > > and give NO adventages. > > > > anyway - file that is available through FTP/HTTP or similar way you can > > stream too. just without any extra tools both under windoze and unix. > > You're aware of UDP-based real-time streaming protocols, right? > RTP being one of them: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3550 > > In streaming vs. file download there's a trade off. In file streaming, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sorry, mistake: s/file streaming/file download/ > all data must arrive, and it doesn't matter that retransmission of lost > packets temporarily interrupts the transmission (that's what TCP does > very well). In streaming, lost packets are tolerated, as long as the > transmission doesn't "hang" (e.g. due to retransmissions). Here, UDP- > based protocols are often a better choice. The point here is that you need special servers and clients for streaming, that are not based on plain old TCP. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:21:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B64106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0058FC0A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4PMLWQZ026343; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:21:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 126DBBA9C; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:21:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:21:32 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20090525222131.GB45395@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090525214604.GA28439@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090525214604.GA28439@thought.org> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OOo question re my novel... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:21:34 -0000 --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 02:46:07PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: >=20 > guys, >=20 > one thing i need to do before i submit my 600+ page tell-all "novel" > is fihure out howto turn *this* into italics in Ooo-3.01. i don't > think any regular publisher world rish this so it;s a roll-you-own. > what i submit in doc [or odt] is what gets published. i can turn > *this* into /this/, but still can't figure out how to have openoffice > turn all the words i want italicized into actual italics. > > anybody know offhand? Maybe you can write a macro to do that, assuming you know the OpenOffice.org macro language. Otherwise, an opendocument file is actually a zip-file containing several files. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_technical_specification What you can do is unpack this zipfile, and use your favorite text processing language to replace the '*' with the appropriate XML tags in the 'content.xml' file. I don't know what the tags for italics are. So make a small example file and have a peek inside. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkobGesACgkQEnfvsMMhpyV4dACdErfwtty4PRdYuVDjeepRvLgW xbUAoI5vQWzAcDj+TRRjjkskvWxvlYef =eyXL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:27:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF76C1065672 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:27:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from mx.utwente.nl (mx2.utsp.utwente.nl [130.89.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A038FC19 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:27:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from nox.student.utwente.nl (nox.student.utwente.nl [130.89.165.91]) by mx.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id n4PMQZLP013153; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:26:35 +0200 From: Pieter de Goeje To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:26:35 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; amd64; ; ) References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905260026.35379.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact servicedesk@icts.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: pieter@degoeje.nl X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Jos Chrispijn Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:27:08 -0000 On Monday 25 May 2009 15:41:04 Jos Chrispijn wrote: > I have some short movies (a la YouTube) that I would like to show as > video streams. Presenting them by download is messing up my bandwidth > (...). Can someone tell me if there is a simple solution installing such a > stream service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? Generally you can't reduce bandwidth unless you use multicast, which will (obviously) only work for live streams. The easiest solution is to imitate youtube: encode your movies to flash video (ffmpeg can do that), then use a flash movie player on your website to stream. This basically streams the movie over HTTP. Some (non-flash) players (like VLC) can also stream over HTTP. The hard way is to install DarwinStreamingServer, encode your movies to a format you want (it should fit in an mpeg4 container), add hinting tracks (using MP4Box) and let your users play the movies through mplayer/vlc or an embedded movie object on your website. You can even stream to most handsets this way. This method uses RTSP/RTP over UDP to deliver the content. Using modern codecs which deliver a high compression ratio w/ good quality (for example H264 video and AAC audio) will go a long way in reducing bandwidth. -- Pieter de Goeje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:32:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEAD106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFEF8FC0A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PMVsaJ041944; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:31:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PMVsDI041941; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:31:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:31:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090525214621.GB12424@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> <20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090525214621.GB12424@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:32:04 -0000 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Sorry, mistake: > s/file streaming/file download/ when you play file directly from HTTP/FTP source it's streaming too. just much more simple, portable, and cachable by squid/other proxies From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:32:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E6310656A4 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6E78FC25 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PMWWLr041952; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:32:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PMWWhw041949; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:32:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:32:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FBSD UG In-Reply-To: <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jos Chrispijn , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server / YouTube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:32:36 -0000 > > without that youtube nonsense there wouldn't be a youtube anymore > it's a copyright agreement not to store the videos on someone's harddrive > while watching... you mean videos from youtube are copyrighted? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:34:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0A3106566C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:34:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6048FC17 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PMYeOI041983; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:34:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PMYdRU041980; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:34:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:34:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> <20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:34:52 -0000 >> anyway - file that is available through FTP/HTTP or similar way you can >> stream too. just without any extra tools both under windoze and unix. > > You're aware of UDP-based real-time streaming protocols, right? yes it is, but we talked about youtube-like services. it's not UDP based > very well). In streaming, lost packets are tolerated, as long as the > transmission doesn't "hang" (e.g. due to retransmissions). Here, UDP- > based protocols are often a better choice. youtube player, and most players just use big buffer and download as fast as it can until buffer is filled. because of this temporary "hangs" due to packet loss isn't a problem, while you get movies always complete. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:35:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58CD1065704 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1998FC13 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PMZNxh042002; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:35:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PMZNwg041999; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:35:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:35:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:35:31 -0000 >> you are funny. >> >> > > Don't ever send me private messages like that. > > You are a troll who gives harmful and misleading advice. exactly because of sentences like that i think you are funny. sorry - but you moved this to public From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:36:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C3A10657B5 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05B18FC1C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1970716ywe.13 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:36:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fIIaOwtPhEzgqro0q1bTGVZCRKyP5/dP7VLoaFoV9n4=; b=FHWjEGZAKCxbZGee4rP/SK4TdfazfnG3gX4c1z4oGVWpMTklw+s/Y17VHpwFyRY9hd ruCmFS68LgPGzho4n7LE5wlugie92vYLri0yF9l6wm447NTTrhg5fgF6tHaYeblGGnUD l1jSyiOyen38M1zxL6aXGsp0A07o409A3+eyg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Xv+Onr0ioNTX3GL7J8bCgGHGGXL4RtlhfI/0Dv2T/8tRMWgg5KqzOStrAnuW1QeEU7 lK9c/WovNn3Nia8nfZPKa+vDjsxbqur13o87+cH/XMVvBPc7tRUFlqvcc7pRhCzkX9Us bhceMRVdQhDlAytui/wJDJ6Td4ubGkiS3kTio= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr15168333ybb.261.1243291011259; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:36:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:36:51 -0600 Message-ID: <6201873e0905251536t247397c3xde6bf60fcbb3513d@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Jos Chrispijn , Wojciech Puchar , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:36:52 -0000 /usr/ports/multimedia/vlc Or netcat On 5/25/09, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> I have some short movies (a la YouTube) that I would like to show as >>> video streams. Presenting them by download is messing up my bandwidth >>> (...). >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> Can someone tell me if there is a simple solution installing such a >>> stream service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? >> >> somehow i can't understand you >> >> do you mean installing FreeBSD for this will use less bandwidth? > I already have FreeBSD installed. Just wondering if there is a streaming > server for it. > Hardly can believe that dedicated download (by opening the remote file > in a media player) will be more efficient that a streaming server that > takes care of bandwidth throttle and average processing time on (http) > requests. > > I want to provide some animated presentations with voice over that have > been recorded earlier. >> fortunately we have /usr/ports/www/youtube_dl :) > Eh, that sound familiar l-) > > thanks for sharing, > Jos Chrispijn > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Adam Vande More Systems Administrator Mobility Sales From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:37:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E85B1065748 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D3F8FC1A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PMajEf042015; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:36:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PMad0I042012; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:36:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:36:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <29229B06-6098-4488-9E9A-A5CFE6F9643B@boosten.org> Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> <29229B06-6098-4488-9E9A-A5CFE6F9643B@boosten.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:37:21 -0000 > > Do you actually read back what you write: you're saying here that when a CPU > has only 10% utilization, it'll run slower than when performing at 100%... > i said it perform 10 times less work than when 100% utilized. exactly - read back again. > I'm giving up ;-) > looks like you just want to prove that i'm wrong, nothing else. so give up. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:45:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F311065674 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (brucec-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:c09::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26538FC08 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCE319019; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:45:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=8.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from gluon.draftnet (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:0:240:f4ff:fe57:9871]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:45:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:45:53 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20090525234553.5cf60022@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <20090525214604.GA28439@thought.org> References: <20090525214604.GA28439@thought.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OOo question re my novel... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:45:59 -0000 On Mon, 25 May 2009 14:46:07 -0700 Gary Kline wrote: > > guys, > > one thing i need to do before i submit my 600+ page tell-all "novel" > is fihure out howto turn *this* into italics in Ooo-3.01. i don't > think any regular publisher world rish this so it;s a roll-you-own. > what i submit in doc [or odt] is what gets published. i can turn > *this* into /this/, but still can't figure out how to have openoffice > turn all the words i want italicized into actual italics. > > anybody know offhand? http://opendocumentfellowship.com/introduction/odf_vs_oxml_part_II has an example of changing text styles in ODF. It looks like it should be a search/replace to add the relevant tags. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:50:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D271065678 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F2C8FC17 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PMohY6042099; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:50:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PMogAq042096; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:50:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:50:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jos Chrispijn In-Reply-To: <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:50:49 -0000 > I already have FreeBSD installed. Just wondering if there is a streaming > server for it. > Hardly can believe that dedicated download (by opening the remote file in a > media player) will be more efficient that a streaming server that takes care > of bandwidth throttle and average processing time on (http) requests. so please test as it's true :) actually youtube player does not throttle at all - just load as fast as possible into memory while playing at normal speed. look at progress bar below movie window. if your network connection is fast, it quickly gets from beginning to end, while current position mark advances as movie is played. in mplayer you can set buffer size, if you'll set it as large or larger as movie - it will behave the same way with FTP/HTTP provided movie. realplayer do the same thing, and supports both URL's and "live" streaming protocol. i don't know what windoze browsers do given URL with say .avi file - does it have builtin player or just run windoze media player? AFAIK media player can play from URLs too. so - FTP/HTTP do provide exactly the same functionality as "video streaming", but in the same time is cachable by proxies, and easy to download to disk. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:57:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F76106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f159.google.com (mail-ew0-f159.google.com [209.85.219.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209EA8FC14 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:57:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so3431256ewy.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:57:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nZkphRFis+TvIjZCCmp+JS954bnyGMgNXQp0eJPNbi8=; b=IVhqfOI4Vwh6WB26SxFB1UBRm2zPOeYFNF1MK7kwObMfhFHC+/CYmGR54oVMGwMIkW P88n5DvaoUDI6fOQ4fh3Gn0DVZtSOi/MHCm28dGxxBgyrydpncKzqZnRmBZWjk+FZglj RrvEDAO4devvwrAso/21uo9n3hr+FiZ6Q49uA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VOM0JwjuBxI26FA2+ucv8/3HdR0t3Hn6C71w87xAE9phUgJFQ08khqfqbelRI8uEy5 GQYLe4NFX2EK5DeUjxpVxVAQ2Oc/XOVMHn9xBIeq8ojTpaJzWteLz7pviMXoAMN+xa5c EbWeeQoaTU/0HIyJTdDEoQdj5OZd65FAfc0to= Received: by 10.216.10.74 with SMTP id 52mr1331825weu.164.1243292223755; Mon, 25 May 2009 15:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm647119eyg.14.2009.05.25.15.57.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 May 2009 15:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:57:00 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090525235700.5907deaf@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090525215205.GA45395@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> <20090525190039.GA39139@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090525220601.1a9f7109@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090525215205.GA45395@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:57:05 -0000 On Mon, 25 May 2009 23:52:05 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:06:01PM +0100, RW wrote: > > On Mon, 25 May 2009 21:00:39 +0200 > > Roland Smith wrote: > > > > > > > Or you can use the -nosalt option. But as explained in > > > [http://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/enc.html], using a random salt > > > by default is a design decision because: "Without the -salt > > > option it is possible to perform efficient dictionary attacks on > > > the password". That doesn't sound good, does it? > > > > It's not a problem since she's using a random key file, not a weak > > password. > > But a key alone is not sufficient. You'll need to specify an > initialization vector as well, using the -iv option. E.g.: > > openssl enc -aes256 -in -out .aes \ > -K 971001EE50DCDBCAF3F521851E773B0285838CA549E2258C1A195565D61F2145 \ > -iv FD246E34A631AE38 > > If you try it with only a key or keyfile, you'll get a 'iv undefined' > error, resulting in a zero-length output file. :-( > It works for me: $ echo "hello world" > infile $ head -c32 /dev/random |sha256 > keyfile $ openssl enc -aes256 -nosalt -kfile keyfile -in infile -out outfile $ openssl enc -aes256 -nosalt -d -kfile keyfile -in outfile hello world From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:58:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616D91065674 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9AE8FC18 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com ([98.150.187.245]) by hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090525222545116.HDWL9828@hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:25:45 +0000 Received: from holstein.holy.cow (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9918E32F1; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:26:50 -1000 (HST) Received: (from parv@localhost) by holstein.holy.cow (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n4PMQntW003671; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:26:49 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) X-Authentication-Warning: holstein.holy.cow: parv set sender to parv@pair.com using -f Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:26:49 -1000 From: parv@pair.com To: Matthias Apitz Message-ID: <20090525222649.GB1445@holstein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <1243112254.1200.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <4A194F19.9070106@FreeBSD.org> <20090524135229.GA3410@current.Sisis.de> <20090524165611.1c6d0b31.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090524161901.GB3776@current.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090524161901.GB3776@current.Sisis.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:41 -0000 in message <20090524161901.GB3776@current.Sisis.de>, wrote Matthias Apitz thusly... > > > On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, > > > 1024x600 9" display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for > > > UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, > > > only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this > > > at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video > > > as well). ... > The battery (6600 mAh) gives me around 4.5 hours autonomy, but > often I find a point with power. (Argh, darn quicky fingers!) Sorry for bothering with earlier mail about battery life. - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 23:02:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E496C106564A; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpardo@fastsoft.com) Received: from HQ-ES.FASTSOFT.COM (hq-es.fastsoft.com [38.102.243.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA328FC16; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpardo@fastsoft.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:02:57 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet Dell 610 and Dell 710 servers Thread-Index: AcndjPHPK0PoGtHJQWej15oLkH5kqA== From: "Carlos Pardo" To: , , Cc: Subject: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet Dell 610 and Dell 710 servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:02:59 -0000 We are back porting the bce driver from 8.0 to 7.0. We are still missing some changes since cold boots work but rebooting (warm booting) fails! The error is: bce0: ../../../dev/bce/if_bce.c(1386); Unable to write CTX memory: cid_addr =3D 0x00000000, offset =3D 0x00000000! files back ported: bce/if_bce.h bce/if_bcefw.h bce/if_bvereg.h mii/brgphy.c=20 mii/brgphyreg.h It looks like we are not doing a hard reset to the NIC when rebooting. Cool boots work. Thanks for any help From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 23:05:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7277E106566B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remmers@jremmers.org) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F478FC1E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remmers@jremmers.org) Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vwST1b0030vyq2s53yr5Ju; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:51:05 +0000 Received: from johnsmac.local ([68.43.179.76]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vyrw1b00M1fHTLc3RyrwzY; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:51:57 +0000 From: John Remmers To: Vasile Cristescu In-Reply-To: <200905251533.44461.vasile@cristescu.org> References: <200905251533.44461.vasile@cristescu.org> Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:51:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: Pieter Donche , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade 7 -> 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:05:13 -0000 On May 25, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Vasile Cristescu wrote: > > On Monday 25 May 2009 15:30:27 Pieter Donche wrote: >> I have to upgrade a few FreeBSD7 machines to FreeBSD7.2 >> (this is new to me) >> One machine has very few third party ports installed (33), the other >> over 600 ... One of the steps is # portupgade -af, to rebuild all >> third >> party software.. this took 27 minutes on the 33 packages machine.. >> So for 20 times more packages: 10 hours ??? > > depending on the packages, > >> Is this normal? >> Also, one I had one screen asking for options for libiconv 1.11_1 >> where I had to tab to OK and press enter. >> What is the 600 packages system has 20 of more of such screens, >> waiting for user input. Can't one make ik automatically accept the >> defaults? > > echo 'BATCH=YES' > /etc/make.conf Better make that: echo 'BATCH=YES' >> /etc/make.conf -John R. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 23:10:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41783106564A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:10:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from jasper.secsrv.net (jasper.secsrv.net [66.98.138.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138368FC12 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from [82.161.18.200] (helo=[10.0.1.104]) by jasper.secsrv.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8hfY-0004SO-V7; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:25:17 -0400 Message-Id: <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> From: FBSD UG To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:25:13 +0200 References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jasper.secsrv.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rgbaz.eu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Jos Chrispijn , Wojciech Puchar Subject: Re: Streaming server / YouTube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:10:29 -0000 On 25 mei 2009, at 19:16, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I have some short movies (a la YouTube) that I would like to show >> as video streams. Presenting them by download is messing up my >> bandwidth (...). > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Can someone tell me if there is a simple solution installing such a >> stream service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? > > somehow i can't understand you > > do you mean installing FreeBSD for this will use less bandwidth? > > > about your question - simply use FTP or HTTP for this. This will be > RIGHT solution, contrary to youtube nonsense that prevents any > caching or simply > downloading movie by forcing you to use their flash player. > > fortunately we have /usr/ports/www/youtube_dl :) without that youtube nonsense there wouldn't be a youtube anymore it's a copyright agreement not to store the videos on someone's harddrive while watching... they even offer their own download options at http://www.kissyoutube.com gr Arno From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 23:12:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF27F106568A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:12:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DCB8FC0C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8jLB-0003Qs-99; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:12:21 +0100 Received: from [94.168.153.236] (helo=Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8jLA-0006Qw-HE; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:12:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:11:18 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CE@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 Thread-Index: AcndgS5UHjhEdKPaRFWi20oiCbdv2wADNR8g From: "Graeme Dargie" To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:12:24 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: illoai@gmail.com [mailto:illoai@gmail.com]=20 Sent: 25 May 2009 22:39 To: Graeme Dargie Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 2009/5/25 Graeme Dargie : > Hi All > > I am trying to update 2 7.1 systems to 7.2. > > > > sun3# freebsd-update upgrade -r 7.2RELEASE 7.2-RELEASE Maybe? --=20 -- Haha ... thank I knew it was something blindly obvious that I was missing ... there be a lesson don't try to upgrade 3 systems at once and watch TV.=20 Cheers for that=20 Regards Graeme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 23:36:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707E1106566C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EF58FC0C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1836561qwe.7 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:36:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=TWYozeYwoBdkMtYak1561J5cDvCq51+lpzWUM+SLuWI=; b=ZFfai1QAbq2AeJE+dlPfv3FyiR7c/55n7hm9vdQaH72cnpiuh2fLlfZe69nsjO3GPy L+Z75Y6PLzApl3HxN188AqKpTIKfVgquk75powru2/s/7cM3pW7P0NBI6J6/dsWknfrt wSbRCNWXsCp6uFiDGKyitnqD2z/Znu8sf88Lk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=UDtxxp9hR6E+jPBUHOIRTs0DgxqrT63NmA69VAMPibV4wPO9g0oRPUdfs3DROO2y1M qoNiSjwL8DMTJT6B1z8kZkwpUZ/hqqPjBjUVCcN5yUq05CvQaIu92uoe8jMFI0aC4F15 tV6Hj9JgYPT9SEsknJGOz6DPceeq49w6U8isY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.45.84 with SMTP id d20mr5846608vcf.90.1243294581257; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:36:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> From: Tim Judd Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:01 -0600 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server / YouTube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:36:22 -0000 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > >> without that youtube nonsense there wouldn't be a youtube anymore >> it's a copyright agreement not to store the videos on someone's harddrive >> while watching... >> > > you mean videos from youtube are copyrighted? > So again, speaking before you research? It's in the terms of use http://www.youtube.com/t/terms Please do your research before "opening your mouth". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 00:08:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEB01065675 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EA78FC17 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (really [76.182.207.163]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090526000840381.PTID11639@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:08:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:08:38 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: Carlos Pardo , freebsd-drivers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, davidch@broadcom.com Message-ID: <1536DA231EE20F276D566076@Macintosh-2.local> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet Dell 610 and Dell 710 servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:08:42 -0000 --On May 25, 2009 4:02:57 PM -0700 Carlos Pardo wrote: > We are back porting the bce driver from 8.0 to 7.0. We are still missing > some changes since cold boots work but rebooting (warm booting) fails! > > The error is: > > bce0: ../../../dev/bce/if_bce.c(1386); Unable to write CTX memory: > cid_addr = 0x00000000, offset = 0x00000000! > > files back ported: > > bce/if_bce.h > bce/if_bcefw.h > bce/if_bvereg.h > mii/brgphy.c > mii/brgphyreg.h > Why would you need to do that? There is a bce driver in the 7.x OS already. Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ****************************************** WARNING: Check the headers before replying From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:44:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B76106566C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:44:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4BE8FC12 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4PMi5NB042061; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:44:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4PMi3uu042058; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:44:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:44:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <20090525222810.57e96c4a@gluon.draftnet> Message-ID: References: <200905241315.n4ODFB96007801@mp.cs.niu.edu> <4A1A58FA.60303@boosten.org> <1932D812-03CF-48AF-A306-669C39862EB7@boosten.org> <29229B06-6098-4488-9E9A-A5CFE6F9643B@boosten.org> <20090525222810.57e96c4a@gluon.draftnet> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:27:36 +0000 Cc: Yuri , Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com, Peter Boosten Subject: Re: How can this 'top' command output make sense? Load over 7 and total CPU use ~5% X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:44:30 -0000 >> performing at 100%... > > While it's not the default behaviour, if you run powerd(8) then > yes, the CPU will run slower when it's less utilized. that's extra,and very useful option. anyway even without that modern processor gets MUCH less power just when being halted by hlt instruction. there is still some power used for clock network within chip, and gate oxide leakage, but almost no other gate switching. just using hlt takes down power usage to 1/3-1/5 of full power. reducing clock with turn it down even more. i'm not sure but turning modern processors on lower speed this way (powerd) change voltage down too a bit which even reduces leakage. anyway powerd didn't work well on my laptop last time i tried, but it was with FreeBSD 6, maybe something changed - i will try this. maybe it will add some 10-20 minutes more battery life. anyway lots of power is used by my UMTS modem, and i can't disconnect it as i usually do need the net while using laptop. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 25 22:58:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92B41065670; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AC18FC12; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com ([98.150.187.245]) by hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090525222109572.HBFQ9828@hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:21:09 +0000 Received: from holstein.holy.cow (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDFA32F1; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:22:14 -1000 (HST) Received: (from parv@localhost) by holstein.holy.cow (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n4PMMCNh003603; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:22:12 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) X-Authentication-Warning: holstein.holy.cow: parv set sender to parv@pair.com using -f Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:22:12 -1000 From: parv@pair.com To: Matthias Apitz Message-ID: <20090525222212.GA1445@holstein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Gabor Kovesdan , Wojciech Puchar , Sean Cavanaugh , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <1243112254.1200.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <4A194F19.9070106@FreeBSD.org> <20090524135229.GA3410@current.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20090524135229.GA3410@current.Sisis.de> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:35:44 +0000 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, Sean Cavanaugh , Gabor Kovesdan , Wojciech Puchar , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:41 -0000 in message <20090524135229.GA3410@current.Sisis.de>, wrote Matthias Apitz thusly... > > > Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko escribió: > > >I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but > > >my wife's Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2" screen, 160GB 5400RPM > > >HDD) is pushing 6 hours of the battery life with the wireless > > >on and memory upgraded to 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME > > >ULCPC though. ... > I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, > 1024x600 9" display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for > UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only > the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the > moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). Matthias, What kind of battery life do you get (with and without WIFI use)? - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 00:41:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8391D1065670 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B9D8FC18 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from Mobile2.sentex.ca (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id n4Q0T974081688; Mon, 25 May 2009 20:29:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) From: mike@sentex.ca To: "Peter Steele" Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:29:49 -0400 Message-ID: <2rdm15dmjmmcrmats2tnktahe64g3jcvko@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 64.7.153.18 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Watchdog timer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:41:43 -0000 On Sun, 24 May 2009 23:00:50 -0700, in sentex.lists.freebsd.questions you wrote: >What's the proper way to configure the watchdog timer service so that a >system will automatically reboot after five minutes of >non-responsiveness? I tried setting watchdog to run with the args "-s 10 >-t 300", but I've seen systems reboot after only a few seconds of >inactivity (such as being hung on an I/O wait) instead of the full five >minutes specified by the -t option. What am I missing? It depends on the watchdog hardware itself. Some are not able to handle long timeouts. Check the man pages for the hardware you are using. The VIA hardware that we hacked a driver for said it could go upto 512 seconds, but we could not get to that length http://www.tancsa.com/watchdog/ ---Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 00:43:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A3C106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC268FC13 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0ihXa020492; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:44:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:34 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Bruce Cran Message-ID: <20090526004334.GA28827@thought.org> References: <20090525214604.GA28439@thought.org> <20090525234553.5cf60022@gluon.draftnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090525234553.5cf60022@gluon.draftnet> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OOo question re my novel... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:43:44 -0000 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:45:53PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Mon, 25 May 2009 14:46:07 -0700 > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > guys, > > > > one thing i need to do before i submit my 600+ page tell-all "novel" > > is fihure out howto turn *this* into italics in Ooo-3.01. i don't > > think any regular publisher world risk this so it;s a roll-you-own. > > what i submit in doc [or odt] is what gets published. i can turn > > *this* into /this/, but still can't figure out how to have openoffice > > turn all the words i want italicized into actual italics. > > > > anybody know offhand? > > http://opendocumentfellowship.com/introduction/odf_vs_oxml_part_II has > an example of changing text styles in ODF. It looks like it should be a > search/replace to add the relevant tags. > i'm still lost. i've read the wiki page and don't see anything very instructive, and i've found your opendoc url and don't understadn mucg more. my source files, all 66 chapters, are in plain ascii with the asterisks indicating italics. once or twice i did something like % swriter ch35 and some or all of the *words* were boldface. nornally, OO just printed "*words*". i have a non-public program, atom, that turns acsii into markup. it would turn "Hi *there*" into "Hi there ... so if i can point OO at my html/xtml file and wind up with a correct *.odt file, that would work. gary > -- > Bruce Cran -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 01:08:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378001065676 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 01:08:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6898FC1A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 01:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4Q18JxD042587; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:08:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4Q18IWb042584; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:08:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 03:08:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Tim Judd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server / YouTube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 01:08:27 -0000 > > So again, speaking before you research? again unnecessary comments. > > It's in the terms of use > http://www.youtube.com/t/terms The content on the YouTube Website, except all User Submissions i'm not regular youtube watcher and actually i was not aware that there are really anything else than "User Submissions" there. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 01:19:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F63106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 01:19:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472B88FC16 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 01:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4Q1JqPx042714; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:19:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4Q1JnV0042707; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:19:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 03:19:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Graeme Dargie In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CE@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Message-ID: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CE@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: illoai@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 01:19:57 -0000 >> I am trying to update 2 7.1 systems to 7.2. >> >> >> >> sun3# freebsd-update upgrade -r 7.2RELEASE > > 7.2-RELEASE > > Maybe? > > Haha ... thank I knew it was something blindly obvious that I was > missing ... there be a lesson don't try to upgrade 3 systems at once and > watch TV. even more important - why you are upgrading at all. did you find in 7.1 problems that you wanted to solve by moving to 7.2? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 01:27:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416BA106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 01:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FD28FC0C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 01:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so3583036fxm.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:26:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uMVr4vITfAKtZGorXkt0NRVau1aqNbzZnqRKHpb33EA=; b=Y8Fpy6xmUukWNwBbVYH5fWUWPcd78wFj7lvSbvSX+dFqiUqEmmNQ6STJG2z2j8VKKH BTuHxDRw3kBRymhx91uPKsQc5JbnsF5i3/ZQ2+UP0/DlaBZJgGPgwpPCa+WPfDtpt4go NCfvdWOHwY+G9rPaveMqbTdr8HPuxXvgNhDeM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Y8l/Tvv/tzYiwCCRBEJ2umP8VECBu/+YG9NDa5sQCJnNzUsNbFCNT4YEEfpRsrZG2H r4XB6tPi18g+efFrt9cQuXYn1kyqEEfZXDSSzh//dGRanM8d1J6fM3q4VAofY3ILoEcE qU0la6ny/U5TCAZ7NDYfChrDj0DXbihJDhg5k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.102.76 with SMTP id f12mr7559627bko.137.1243301218562; Mon, 25 May 2009 18:26:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CE@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905251826r60b54a9cve5d9508aef422f7e@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 01:27:00 -0000 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > even more important - why you are upgrading at all. did you find in 7.1 > problems that you wanted to solve by moving to 7.2? > Are you suggesting a user should only upgrade if they are having a problem, or do you just like to contribute more nonsense to the list by asking irrelevant questions to the OP's topic? -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 01:09:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E4610656B2; Tue, 26 May 2009 01:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F42358FC1C; Tue, 26 May 2009 01:09:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4Q19jtK042608; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:09:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4Q19imp042605; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:09:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 03:09:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: parv@pair.com In-Reply-To: <20090525222212.GA1445@holstein.holy.cow> Message-ID: References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <1243112254.1200.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <4A194F19.9070106@FreeBSD.org> <20090524135229.GA3410@current.Sisis.de> <20090525222212.GA1445@holstein.holy.cow> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 May 2009 01:33:26 +0000 Cc: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, Sean Cavanaugh , Gabor Kovesdan , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 01:09:52 -0000 >> 1024x600 9" display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for >> UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only >> the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the >> moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). > > Matthias, > > What kind of battery life do you get (with and without WIFI use)? > and with/without Huawei E220. it's realy heavy battery drainer, takes much more than WiFi - i have this UMTS interface. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 03:00:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE43106566B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D3FFE8FC12 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63195 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2009 03:00:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243306800; bh=XXN1iQPo6nHJuUa64FuCL63Mxb+6IcqMvZY3ybeTTK8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V/Rj3A3akCiCC0jAxLG+TKAgd7uSvhAk1dI72xcwFHIvlbR1z44kUP9CNvgKRneALNm1YxVVZwPWmUfVmytlRH047uEnh08nUUP2t4Cy/jDR7tWNURQLv9vjUHYWgg8rdOsF79a16A+VsmWm37thtxEijY9o7Z2PbxnPzS8iXB4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vi84zhVEUaYpshP6yVGVoiOrUM6+/InpFlE9OU22CR8TYJiAaLFIDzZcDMXkuLnD7N90u8Ysgj/OwKcFUTvQ6A8K6Y8f8OMyYxen00mZKgAywNcaViZ3IlV1EmieKeLRRgkWcCJN7oFmxtw0dLnnkgnBXqTPYL2+H9XHy7Yrg9g=; Message-ID: <100376.63150.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JNQLBPYVM1kw_YYAVkV1LR44.UGTgjfeUe0.qeyyRq8GpF5hIqoRciEkJi5mwUZ.r4ecLP7SvHeO6wsJXLrck2im2890DDjRRylLB_WJrYC_dSzQzbcVao4izhN_2bMYC27J9kZgALJjIIae2Ov2LO6zL4FILDxQv7pPGlAe65lgy0g5hK7cnfhOUv8CDrnjnBj19TyeTTx1TRJUgVP11BNJWboaeMnpj8MEuJ0pCBMXCpj1qKJh5tvmReXhowcx322O.tOMeTUuqrcc_6AjXJtV_gwj6NwfxCxSMv2FHAilpP5jdmtXBgbgWRP7AY.JzuzCN1lc3RA- Received: from [220.255.7.207] by web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:59:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: How to say this in Bash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 03:00:01 -0000 --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Matthew Seaman wrote= :=0A=0A> From: Matthew Seaman =0A> Subject= : Re: How to say this in Bash?=0A> To: "Unga" =0A> Cc: f= reebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 1:20 AM=0A> U= nga wrote:=0A> > --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Jerry =0A> wrote:= =0A> > =0A> >> From: Jerry =0A> >> Subject: Re: How to sa= y this in Bash?=0A> >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> >> Date: Monda= y, May 25, 2009, 11:22 PM=0A> >> On Mon, 25 May 2009 07:36:45 -0700=0A> >> = (PDT)=0A> >> Unga =0A> >> wrote:=0A> >> =0A> >>> Here is= what happens in bash shell:=0A> >>> $ echo "${X}" > ${Z}=0A> >>> bash: ${Z= }: ambiguous redirect=0A> >> Perhaps I am misinterpreting your question;=0A= > however, if I=0A> >> define both=0A> >> ${X} and ${Z} in a script prior t= o running your=0A> snippet, I=0A> >> do not=0A> >> receive any error messag= e. Could you show more=0A> info on how=0A> >> you are=0A> >> attempting to = run this snippet?=0A> >> =0A> > =0A> > $ X=3D'=0A> >> XX1=3DYES=0A> >> XX2= =3DYES=0A> >> '=0A> > $ echo $X=0A> > XX1=3DYES XX2=3DYES=0A> > $=0A> > $ Y= =3D'=0A> >> YY1=3DYES=0A> >> YY2=3DYES=0A> >> '=0A> > $ echo $Y=0A> > YY1= =3DYES YY2=3DYES=0A> > $=0A> > $ echo "${X}" > ${Z}=0A> > bash: ${Z}: ambig= uous redirect=0A> > =0A> > I want to append all variables in X and Y into Z= so=0A> that "echo $Z" should be:=0A> > XX1=3DYES XX2=3DYES YY1=3DYES YY2= =3DYES=0A> > =0A> > I'm doing everything in command line not using any=0A> = scripts.=0A> > =0A> =0A> That's not how you set a variable.=A0 Do it like t= his:=0A> =0A> Z=3D"${X} ${Y}"=0A> =0A> You're mixing up variable initialisa= tion with output to=0A> files.=A0 =0A=0AOk, this solves the issue. Thanks a= ll for helping me in this regard.=0A=0ABest regards=0AUnga=0A=0A=0A=0A = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 04:12:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1A11065670 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2360A8FC0C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n4Q4CnG6037586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 25 May 2009 21:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n4Q4CnYm037585; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA08134; Mon, 25 May 09 21:07:09 PDT Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:06:27 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: glen.j.barber@gmail.com Message-Id: <4a1b6ac3.qTcpIqzA+bL3Efh1%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CE@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <4ad871310905251826r60b54a9cve5d9508aef422f7e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905251826r60b54a9cve5d9508aef422f7e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 04:12:51 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: > > > > even more important - why you are upgrading at all. did you find > > in 7.1 problems that you wanted to solve by moving to 7.2? > > Are you suggesting a user should only upgrade if they are having > a problem, or do you just like to contribute more nonsense to the > list by asking irrelevant questions to the OP's topic? I'd say it depends very much on the system's use. For a system which is in production (i.e. doing ongoing work), there is a great deal to be said for not fixing things that aren't broken. Even within a major release branch (7.0 => 7.1 => 7.2) it is not at all uncommon for a point release to introduce new problems along with its new capabilities. If that were not the case, there would be no need for the RE folks to maintain the security/errata branches. Suggesting that the OP consider the risks along with the benefits is hardly irrelevant to a question about upgrading. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 04:32:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5408E106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFA18FC14 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so3592026bwz.43 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:32:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4wb0Z7UFUkMcd6lnY8qK55oX89bxFTeCjiiVbW1KGlk=; b=GUtHAODMfANvNAlaYlXWjQTLVCX1seKiAVwak0VZ4/1OuHAQQqardKcAai13yhs6OK c95uRk8lFKlGA2brWI5ufD0dOH/xWJ3gcy1zQgIPgb72U/fW5DJlx8HRMtMN1MlU/LcH yVDYOpK4iFVFSkj/bCuibfpEPuztluMRr/BN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=slkxhRcg1aiCyse7ySCq8/jTNrCw/nFW98uUMzToAcMZUR8UvTbmFCzUG3ly0CYLUE lZqlF9abrY6sxAOIqsSPvPxPN3MOmWyvdUQG8IBzqrd6vEAz4CkBR+qZ+fddAmrvnbeT Bt41MwqK27S0aE26pDeLYmgLxho5dn9sX7bHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.69 with SMTP id u5mr7698704bkq.77.1243312364583; Mon, 25 May 2009 21:32:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4a1b6ac3.qTcpIqzA+bL3Efh1%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CE@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <4ad871310905251826r60b54a9cve5d9508aef422f7e@mail.gmail.com> <4a1b6ac3.qTcpIqzA+bL3Efh1%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:32:44 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905252132y3bc3a262if32abcdd3f8c5f57@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 04:32:46 -0000 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:06 AM, wrote: > > I'd say it depends very much on the system's use. =A0For a system > which is in production (i.e. doing ongoing work), there is a > great deal to be said for not fixing things that aren't broken. > This was not the OP's reason for this thread. It was about 'freebsd-update' not working. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 07:14:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26D9106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7F18FC08 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so3691162fxm.43 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:14:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yrm2etM2SwQo1e8c//EqtPtLlyBlLUiKgLYcKESLkDI=; b=OYF3Pq0JsAWQG1MagM85JJmI6daj7x27PmCVSmDWT826xRrfc01efz1XhO8tP9NnEa 5xp2WRymG95YjKboS1q4xdVbHg5bqxRn1B0pHgS3IrHHgdw0WJNrrITyOWFhG/ulI/Tk R2tByKv1sQUEiapD4V5mr2FHR85FF2+1hUHAE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HiP+2r07RiPePValiLKS71o4oE6F6DTncAvgIAqXozCUb8R5Ti6DMAt7XmK/E7p6wv AnaIQXlwhUHIya1noG6r3ON4HLVG7B7UAKy8VwItS/JVblkRJMk0ppZfOhqtv1sYS9j1 g3hnmIjNk3qeoqPLDS5iNJGRxTmiLYi+l3n6w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.17 with SMTP id o17mr7772497bkq.145.1243322056150; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:14:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:13:56 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tim Judd , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server / YouTube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:14:18 -0000 2009/5/26 Wojciech Puchar : >> >> So again, speaking before you research? > > again unnecessary comments. > Sorry, what? Do you really think: Wojciech wrote: > you mean videos from youtube are copyrighted? that was necessary? Stop making noise! >> >> It's in the terms of use >> http://www.youtube.com/t/terms > > The content on the YouTube Website, except all User Submissions > > > i'm not regular youtube watcher and actually i was not aware that there are > really anything else than "User Submissions" there. > If you don't know something, then Google is your friend. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 07:15:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45635106568E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (macos.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C928FC27 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q7FWt0052306 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:15:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id n4Q7FW9F052303 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:15:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) X-Authentication-Warning: macos.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:15:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@macos.cmi.ua.ac.be To: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: sane-backends X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:15:36 -0000 When doing a portupgrade -a the port sane-backends-1.0.20_1 gives compilation errors... What to do with that? Just wait for 1.0.20_2 to come up? Where to find information? ... canon_dr.c:1333: error: 'SANE_NAME_STANDARD' undeclared (first use in this funct ion)^M canon_dr.c:1333: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once^M ... gmake[2]: *** [libcanon_dr_la-canon_dr.lo] Error 1^M gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/graphics/sane-backends/work/sane-backend s-1.0.20/backend'^M gmake[1]: *** [all] Error 2^M gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/graphics/sane-backends/work/sane-backend s-1.0.20/backend'^M gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/sane-backends.^M *** Error code 1^M Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/sane-backends.^M ---> Build of graphics/sane-backends ended at: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:55:02 +0200 (consumed 00:00:42) ---> Upgrade of graphics/sane-backends ended at: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:55:02 +020 0 (consumed 00:00:42) ---> ** Upgrade tasks 2: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 08:03:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507E21065676 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113AC8FC08 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8rcn-0002Bn-GD; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:03:05 +0100 Received: from [94.168.153.236] (helo=Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M8rcm-0006bS-Uv; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:03:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:01:36 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 Thread-Index: AcndoB0f3b0I2co9QKeME5uClrxHkAANpY4g From: "Graeme Dargie" To: "Wojciech Puchar" Cc: illoai@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:03:08 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl]=20 Sent: 26 May 2009 02:20 To: Graeme Dargie Cc: illoai@gmail.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 >> I am trying to update 2 7.1 systems to 7.2. >> >> >> >> sun3# freebsd-update upgrade -r 7.2RELEASE > > 7.2-RELEASE > > Maybe? > > Haha ... thank I knew it was something blindly obvious that I was > missing ... there be a lesson don't try to upgrade 3 systems at once and > watch TV. even more important - why you are upgrading at all. did you find in 7.1=20 problems that you wanted to solve by moving to 7.2? [amd64] The FreeBSD kernel virtual address space has been increased to 6GB. This allows subsystems to use larger virtual memory space than before. For example, zfs(8) adaptive replacement cache (ARC) requires large kernel memory space to cache file system data, so it benefits from the increased address space. Note that the ceiling on the kernel map size is now 60% of the size rather than an absolute quantity. Various network interface drivers have been improved, including ae(4), ath_hal(4), axe(4), bce(4), cxgb(4), fxp(4), igb(4), jme(4), msk(4), mxge(4), nfe(4), re(4), rl(4), sis(4), and txp(4). Very specifically that I was getting watchdog time outs and link status up down up on the re nic driver, hopefully 7.2 solves this. Regards G From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 08:09:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF808106566B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nramrani@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f164.google.com (mail-ew0-f164.google.com [209.85.219.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717818FC18 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nramrani@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so75124ewy.43 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 01:09:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=VFzqQJ23pJsnI7KeD4THVU0kmt+TcdbsLoM4k97zfKQ=; b=qqyC9njWPNM5/xY3eBfhSYsA+ZcIuqu+VWAc9rBYEkGZn5L4GSKCSqmAtcdF+3bFk1 5f0X77YN/6rtkbOg3boK1EnXGqhRvLPd4PI8zkyi96Ls7jLCQE++OyXdwTh0gJu4bY+D FSTUg8REv3b9gqRBqTWZ6cXmOoMK96F1OgNwQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=WH1+1+xiXfOxVIvO1mYfNkayTSWdbP4BwJgpaVKpMzL/3sB++1CEStYb7FmPTDFUSX kZfztsGHJZqbGU0Jvyg+X2vdW0JcVHOdwJy5K8nrY5xKH9uIvFD+VbHuMmWaB7OzFRMb AaPZyK+p2bCgbwRysd4VYzyL6BNt4wc9uZlWI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.29.73 with SMTP id h51mr2974971wea.16.1243323955611; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:45:55 +0200 Message-ID: <2ac7a28b0905260045g25950687x7cfb448c84efab48@mail.gmail.com> From: n ramrani To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: df -h returns negatives values X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:09:11 -0000 Hi, I have FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p4. After a problem, I have : /dev/aacd0s1d 2.9G -2.2G 4.9G -83% /var I tried to do fsck but no change. Any ideas? thanks. nr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 08:20:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A782A1065676 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC7D8FC1F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E8934E95; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:20:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:20:01 +0200 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090526082001.GA1136@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> <20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090525214621.GB12424@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:20:06 -0000 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:31:54AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Sorry, mistake: > > s/file streaming/file download/ > > when you play file directly from HTTP/FTP source it's streaming too. > just much more simple, portable, and cachable by squid/other proxies Yes, you're right. For "static" content, buffering a TCP connection is certainly "good enough." But for live streams and video conferencing, buffering adds latency (and the bigger the buffer, the higher the latency). The effect is then similar to what you observe if you talked on a geostationary satellite network, doing multiple uplink-downlink hops (many times 1/3 of a second). That's quite noticeable and pretty annoying. Some people prefer a couple of lost frames to this latency, and that's why protocols like RTP do have their uses (even if we ignored multicasting). And for a real-world example: just look at the way the GSM network deals with lost frames in the traffic channels (TCH) of the Um interface (radio link between BTS and MS): they're not requested again, but simply compensated for with error correction codes, or even dropped. A TCP-like link there would be non-sensical. This may not apply to the control channels, where latency is not so important, as opposed to data integrity, but for the voice traffic itself, it makes perfect sense. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 08:22:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D8D106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:22:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [64.146.239.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D518FC17 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:22:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from kstewart2.owt.com (kstewart2.owt.com [64.146.237.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.owt.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4Q8MbJp026944; Tue, 26 May 2009 01:22:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=owt.com; s=default; t=1243326158; bh=gmbX7ChJ8ne42MdOdbXznhQxLz4Qaa1tjrIx5/S3Xuc=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=VWk8ydlfmwKsQ m4xrbWB4kAtD6USflI0be4pDgH5gdchfVj8eJ3/ubXQzkRHSTg/SSAbfTGHnhvETT3o bBymmEz4ZFyI1LY+sSqAwtgqj7FepdTLJtROptO/fVAHcSywAtNxhOmhOUabsmJqJ9O +uICHG730va0yXGzQS/ALZEM= From: Kent Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Pieter Donche Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 01:22:36 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905260122.36823.kstewart@owt.com> Cc: Subject: Re: sane-backends X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:22:40 -0000 On Tuesday 26 May 2009 12:15:32 am Pieter Donche wrote: > When doing a portupgrade -a > the port sane-backends-1.0.20_1 gives compilation errors... > What to do with that? > Just wait for 1.0.20_2 to come up? > Where to find information? > The fix has been posted several times in freebsd-ports@freebsd.org. You can cd /usr/ports/graphics/sane-backends make deinstall make reinstall An alternative is to pkg_delete it and then reinstall it with portupgrade. The deinstall and reinstall commands are in my history but I wanted to see if portupgrade would install it and the N option was successful. Kent > ... > canon_dr.c:1333: error: 'SANE_NAME_STANDARD' undeclared (first use in this > funct ion)^M > canon_dr.c:1333: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once^M > ... > gmake[2]: *** [libcanon_dr_la-canon_dr.lo] Error 1^M > gmake[2]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/graphics/sane-backends/work/sane-backend s-1.0.20/backend'^M > gmake[1]: *** [all] Error 2^M > gmake[1]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/graphics/sane-backends/work/sane-backend s-1.0.20/backend'^M > gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1^M > *** Error code 1^M > ^M > Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/sane-backends.^M > *** Error code 1^M > Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/sane-backends.^M > ---> Build of graphics/sane-backends ended at: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:55:02 > +0200 (consumed 00:00:42) > ---> Upgrade of graphics/sane-backends ended at: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:55:02 > +020 0 (consumed 00:00:42) > ---> ** Upgrade tasks 2: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 09:08:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DFF1065674 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghirai@ghirai.com) Received: from ghirai.com (ghirai.com [195.74.52.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319198FC16 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:08:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghirai@ghirai.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ghirai.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 560D516FA6; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:07:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:08:00 +0300 From: Ghirai To: "Graeme Dargie" In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20090526090806.319198FC16@mx1.freebsd.org> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , illoai@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:08:06 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 09:01:36 +0100 "Graeme Dargie" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > Various network interface drivers have been improved, including ae(4), > ath_hal(4), axe(4), bce(4), cxgb(4), fxp(4), igb(4), jme(4), msk(4), > mxge(4), nfe(4), re(4), rl(4), sis(4), and txp(4). > > > Very specifically that I was getting watchdog time outs and link > status up down up on the re nic driver, hopefully 7.2 solves this. 7.2 did fix this for me. -- Ghirai. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 09:24:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EDE1065670 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EC58FC13 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:24:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4Q9OFJJ044517; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:24:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4Q9OEi3044514; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:24:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:24:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905251826r60b54a9cve5d9508aef422f7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CE@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <4ad871310905251826r60b54a9cve5d9508aef422f7e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:24:26 -0000 >> > > Are you suggesting a user should only upgrade if they are having a > problem, or do you just like to contribute more nonsense to the list mostly yes - keep things as is if it works. and it's only nonsense for you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 09:24:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C357610656C1 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:24:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA188FC0A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4Q9OjoX044530; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:24:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4Q9OiEf044522; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:24:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:24:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <4a1b6ac3.qTcpIqzA+bL3Efh1%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Message-ID: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CE@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <4ad871310905251826r60b54a9cve5d9508aef422f7e@mail.gmail.com> <4a1b6ac3.qTcpIqzA+bL3Efh1%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: glen.j.barber@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:24:51 -0000 > I'd say it depends very much on the system's use. For a system > which is in production (i.e. doing ongoing work), there is a > great deal to be said for not fixing things that aren't broken. if they are not broken - there is nothing to fix. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 09:25:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB4B106566B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:25:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F658FC08 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:25:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4Q9Pdft044561; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:25:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4Q9Pd9G044558; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:25:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:25:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Graeme Dargie In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Message-ID: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: illoai@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:25:45 -0000 > > Very specifically that I was getting watchdog time outs and link status > up down up on the re nic driver, hopefully 7.2 solves this. hmm i do have re(8) nic with 7.1 (6.3 before) - no problems. strange From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 09:34:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6053106568E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howard.jones@network-i.net) Received: from post1.network-i.net (antigua.network-i.net [212.21.121.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 42F658FC41 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:34:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howard.jones@network-i.net) Received: (qmail 15380 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 09:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.1.1.134?) (212.21.99.52) by post1.network-i.net with SMTP; 26 May 2009 09:08:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1BB15C.40300@network-i.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:07:40 +0100 From: Howard Jones User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956C7@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <139b44430905250937u3410ac24g1f0b9f89a0d51f22@mail.gmail.com> <20090525165618.GB8441@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20090525174818.GA32121@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org, Graeme Dargie , Valentin Bud Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:34:44 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > you are right. you can't be happy of warm house without getting really > cold some time :) > > that's why it's excellent that ZFS (and few other things) is included > in FreeBSD but it's COMPLETELY optional. > Well, I switched from the heater that doesn't work and is poorly documented (gvinum) to the one that does and is (zfs, albeit mostly documented by Sun), and so far I am warm :-) Once I'd increased kmem, at least. I did get a panic before that, but now I am shuffling data happily and slightly faster than gvinum did, and memory has levelled off at about 160MB for zfs. I'll be keeping my previous hardware RAID in one piece for a little while though, I think, just in case! (old Adaptec card with a 2TB limit on containers). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 09:43:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E60106568C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:43:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757DB8FC08 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4Q9h5Y0044862; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:43:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4Q9h57A044859; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:43:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:43:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090526082001.GA1136@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> <20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090525214621.GB12424@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090526082001.GA1136@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:43:18 -0000 > > Yes, you're right. For "static" content, buffering a TCP connection > is certainly "good enough." > > But for live streams and video conferencing, buffering adds latency we talked about playing/streaming videos from files. for IP-TV, videophone, telephone of course only UDP transport make sense From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 09:48:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A86B1065688 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [62.220.235.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F298C8FC14 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7676E1CC69 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:48:43 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id rojCPxmDc+js for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:48:42 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a88-114-134-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.114.134.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDA3E1CC5D for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:48:41 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <6DAAD1AC556443DFAA3DC796074CD031@rivendell> From: "Reko Turja" To: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net><4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com><20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws><20090525214621.GB12424@phenom.cordula.ws><20090526082001.GA1136@phenom.cordula.ws> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:48:54 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:48:46 -0000 > we talked about playing/streaming videos from files. Even streaming from files makes sense in many situations. Please, go back to netbsd or start using linux, at least in linux=20 forums your constant stream of opinion based drivel is most welcome.=20 In here you are poisoning the questions list, especially the archives,=20 for people who really need the info, not uninformed opinions! -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 10:19:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134CC1065695 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:19:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94E078FC1E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:19:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52875 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2009 10:19:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243333188; bh=j4kN+T88P6EOTikYxZt2oTzlDpfQ+jzJmQMgWNGAf3M=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w9eGg7HnxvW5/XpenBky/oqIdDw939tjlri7bOCTlGvgYY5296iOCT54sce8t2DkzHHfvrr5hBRjeoOa4QBV6sIS7QCCunpm7ga/BvlAfVL3FZI3jjpfrNmZ3B+3eXN2W0YA87zbTysFB/yKXIzfCqgR+uJqckSzjiIRvJm3HkE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GUtHKAPZhyVOCOEmouO0tlpFWYHHJ1cNzsaokz/WBrHclaebMDjulMijMgYRwVD5c0TXGnUJDulLRouqegY8oyi3f9noPO4nJn/eBViJLThcyFAibhJupbW5/px3guQ9Uv3ONyqOaKJ6pNdN2DwC7b/sWzQCgtdF+nYieo/4WYg=; Message-ID: <686461.52764.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kW8Q4NUVM1nK3QkPRBgFD4rP2jUc22_gu.MSQUhlpcPGz.vPzIP5LTIbMGJdX3mSe40Nd58XJu0xYFxdfA2bL0WShfe2xNMtGA1QDSRGONlI32UknR4GKsW4ZVDqQ1NxHWNM.8.0Z3hQnPH7J4AoXjvDAmyX.jmI.dsjmqHg_TbwzNt4ArNpLX_fWcZevwwnevah6dbYRXzQvjrJTIU_1nN485zwFEtTz5UdDHnV2q5.4fewjwGdDByXunHWj201V4deIjUzaoXjEP8- Received: from [220.255.7.209] by web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:19:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 03:19:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: How to remove redundant login in a FreeBSD live CD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:19:50 -0000 Hi all I made a live CD based on FreeBSD 7.2. When the CD boots, it prompts for a login. Type root without password can log in. It seems this login is redundant. How to remove this redundant login? Best regards Unga From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 10:39:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66159106566B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C09B8FC0A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QAdG3F045079; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:39:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QAat0f045044; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:36:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:36:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Reko Turja In-Reply-To: <6DAAD1AC556443DFAA3DC796074CD031@rivendell> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net><4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com><20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws><20090525214621.GB12424@phenom.cordula.ws><20090526082001.GA1136@phenom.cordula.ws> <6DAAD1AC556443DFAA3DC796074CD031@rivendell> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:39:24 -0000 >> we talked about playing/streaming videos from files. > > Even streaming from files makes sense in many situations. > > Please, go back to netbsd or start using linux, at least in linux forums your > constant stream of opinion based drivel is most welcome. In here you are > poisoning the questions list, especially the archives, for people who really having different opinion than yours and trolling is 2 different things. you are not a judge. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 10:48:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F35E1065674 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:48:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBBE8FC08 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from joshua.freebsdgr.org (athedsl-4556263.home.otenet.gr [94.70.81.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4QAmGsX006195; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:48:17 +0300 Message-ID: <4A1BC8F0.4090909@otenet.gr> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:48:16 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Unga References: <686461.52764.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <686461.52764.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to remove redundant login in a FreeBSD live CD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:48:20 -0000 Unga wrote: > Hi all > > I made a live CD based on FreeBSD 7.2. When the CD boots, it prompts for a login. Type root without password can log in. It seems this login is redundant. > > How to remove this redundant login? > > Best regards > Unga > > I found this info in a text file of mine (copied from somewhere, but don't remember the source). I remember I used it once to create an autologin workstation for someone who really wouldn't want to know anything about usernames, password or this while unix type of thing. And as I recall it worked ;) 1. Add to the /etc/gettytab file the following strings: test:\ :al=test:ht:np:sp#115200: Explanation: test:\ - entry name, autologin will use this username; al=test - autologin username; ht - terminal has real tabs; np - 8-bit chars; (optional) sp#115200 - line speed; 2. Edit /etc/ttys file: ttyv0 "/usr/libexec/getty test" cons25 on secure Change 'Pc' with test. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 11:06:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686A31065687 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238918FC22 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:06:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7C950865; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:06:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (unknown [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB1650858; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1BCD7A.7000605@webrz.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:07:38 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> <20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090525214621.GB12424@phenom.cordula.ws> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Cc: cpghost , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:06:30 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > when you play file directly from HTTP/FTP source it's streaming too. > just much more simple, portable, and cachable by squid/other proxies Oke, but ftp doesn't show the actual file but only downloads it, right? Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 11:12:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B3E106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:12:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B878FC13 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:12:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C53950865; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:12:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (unknown [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB2D50858; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:12:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1BCEDE.1000701@webrz.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:13:34 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:12:26 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > so please test as it's true :) > I did test it and indeed it looks that way... > actually youtube player does not throttle at all - just load as fast > as possible into memory while playing at normal speed. Yes but we are now discussing another service here. Imho there is some difference between downloading (and viewing) by HTTP or viewing a YouTube movie thru a YouTube site (and watching a Flash movie instead). Do you mean that providing any movie in Flash format will have the same advantages as it has viewing such a file thru a YouTube server? > look at progress bar below movie window. if your network connection is > fast, it quickly gets from beginning to end, while current position > mark advances as movie is played. That is true, I saw that indeed. > in mplayer you can set buffer size, if you'll set it as large or > larger as movie - it will behave the same way with FTP/HTTP provided > movie. > > realplayer do the same thing, and supports both URL's and "live" > streaming protocol. So it would be better to forget my issue and rely on the smart settings of the client's movieplayer? thanks, Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 11:34:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8CB1065673 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:34:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753568FC1F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:33:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FA6FD831 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:33:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id 4583CFD830; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:33:58 +0300 (EEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_45 X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from ott.sise (adsl215.uninet.ee [194.204.62.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11A74FD7CF for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:33:55 +0300 (EEST) From: Ott =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6stner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:33:54 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905261433.54183.ottk@zzz.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:34:02 -0000 On Monday 25 May 2009 4:41:04 pm Jos Chrispijn wrote: > I have some short movies (a la YouTube) that I would like to show as=20 > video streams. Presenting them by download is messing up my bandwidth (..= =2E). > Can someone tell me if there is a simple solution installing such a=20 > stream service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? Have You tried FFserver? NAME ffserver - FFserver video server SYNOPSIS ffserver [options] DESCRIPTION FFserver is a streaming server for both audio and video. It supports several live feeds, streaming from files and time shifting on live feeds (you can seek to positions in the past on each live feed, pro- vided you specify a big enough feed storage in ffserver.conf). [...snip...] # pkg_info ffmpeg-2008.07.27_10 Information for ffmpeg-2008.07.27_10: Comment: Hyper fast realtime audio/video encoder/converter, streaming server [...snip...] WWW: http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ With best regards, Ott K=F6stner =2D-=20 Kuula Z-Raadiot / Listen Z-Radio: http://radio.zzz.ee/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 11:51:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950211065672 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:51:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862458FC1A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:51:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QBpYEo045385; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:51:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QBpXx7045382; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:51:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:51:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jos Chrispijn In-Reply-To: <4A1BCD7A.7000605@webrz.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4ad871310905251225y6da0f41bl7718e9a3290dfa19@mail.gmail.com> <20090525210657.GA12424@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090525214621.GB12424@phenom.cordula.ws> <4A1BCD7A.7000605@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:51:43 -0000 >> when you play file directly from HTTP/FTP source it's streaming too. >> just much more simple, portable, and cachable by squid/other proxies > Oke, but ftp doesn't show the actual file but only downloads it, right? depend what program you use. if you mean "ftp" as /usr/bin/ftp or maybe lftp/ncftp - yes it is. just i don't catch what it has in common with the discussion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 11:59:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AF1106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290688FC1D for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QBwqbh045412; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:58:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QBwpdS045409; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:58:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:58:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jos Chrispijn In-Reply-To: <4A1BCEDE.1000701@webrz.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> <4A1BCEDE.1000701@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:59:01 -0000 >> so please test as it's true :) >> > I did test it and indeed it looks that way... OK >> actually youtube player does not throttle at all - just load as fast as >> possible into memory while playing at normal speed. > Yes but we are now discussing another service here. Imho there is some > difference between downloading (and viewing) by HTTP or viewing a YouTube > movie thru a YouTube site (and watching a Flash movie instead). Do you mean > that providing any movie in Flash format will have the same advantages as it > has viewing such a file thru a YouTube server? exactly. you may make a webpage with just link to the movie(s) somewhere, maybe some selector, preview images, whatever you like. it's just matter of that difference. you too may write some javascript/whatever program that will set up the movie playing in the right place on screen, provide stop/start/rev/fd (i'm imprecise as i know little of "modern" web/java/javascript programming :). That's what youtube do, AND do extra effort to lower bandwidth efficiency by preventing caching and storing files ;) possibly because of copyright reasons as someone pointed out. More probably for some other reason, as most files on youtube are just users amateur videos not copyrighted restricted material - while youtube prevent caching everything. There will be no practical difference between playing from FTP/HTTP and this. >> realplayer do the same thing, and supports both URL's and "live" streaming >> protocol. > So it would be better to forget my issue and rely on the smart settings of > the client's movieplayer? exactly! or - if you like "cool" webpage interface just make that webpage similarly to youtube and provide just link with "Play" to your movies. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 11:59:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9889A106566B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:59:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49BB8FC14 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:59:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QBxYaW045431; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:59:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QBxYti045428; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:59:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:59:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= In-Reply-To: <200905261433.54183.ottk@zzz.ee> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <200905261433.54183.ottk@zzz.ee> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:59:42 -0000 > Comment: > Hyper fast realtime audio/video encoder/converter, streaming server good for IP-TV but not very (and overcomplex) for playing few files. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 12:02:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9401710656BA for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536C58FC28 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3ABC50865; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:02:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (unknown [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C937950858; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:02:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1BDAA4.6070206@webrz.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:48 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <200905261433.54183.ottk@zzz.ee> In-Reply-To: <200905261433.54183.ottk@zzz.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:02:41 -0000 Ott Köstner wrote: > Have You tried FFserver? > No, not yet. Thanks for this I will have a look to that one! Best regards, Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 12:08:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363901065696 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:08:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45068FC0C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:08:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E70350865; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:08:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (unknown [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DD750858; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:08:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1BDC17.5010709@webrz.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:09:59 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> <4A1BCEDE.1000701@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:08:52 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > There will be no practical difference between playing from FTP/HTTP > and this. Aha, now we are getting somewhere! > exactly! or - if you like "cool" webpage interface just make that > webpage similarly to youtube and provide just link with "Play" to your > movies. Personally I have nothing with YouTube except that I constantly wonder how they 'stream', which according to your information, is less than I expected :-) thanks again Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 12:16:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BED1065687 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniels.vanags@smpbank.lv) Received: from mail-02.multibanka.com (mail-02.multibanka.com [80.233.138.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8723E8FC14 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniels.vanags@smpbank.lv) Received: from EXCH-01.mbint.multibanka.com (dz62-clust01.mbint.multibanka.com [10.2.2.201]) by mail-02.multibanka.com (8.14.2/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n4QCFvkO039224 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:15:57 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniels.vanags@smpbank.lv) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:15:56 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Heartbeat Thread-Index: Acnd+7kJeF/hcXK9SwKJd1LODz3g4g== From: "Daniels Vanags" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Heartbeat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:16:00 -0000 Hello, doing heartbeat install: =20 # cd /usr/ports/sysutils/heartbeat/ # make install clean =20 Installation begins, but getting stopped with errors: ............... Making all in rc.d gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/heartbeat/work/heartbeat-1.2.5/heartbeat/rc.d' gmake[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/heartbeat/work/heartbeat-1.2.5/heartbeat/rc.d' Making all in resource.d gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/heartbeat/work/heartbeat-1.2.5/heartbeat/resource.d ' cd ../.. && /bin/sh ./config.status heartbeat/resource.d/BSDService config.status: error: invalid argument: heartbeat/resource.d/BSDService gmake[2]: *** [BSDService] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/heartbeat/work/heartbeat-1.2.5/heartbeat/resource.d ' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/heartbeat/work/heartbeat-1.2.5/heartbeat' gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 *** Error code 1 =20 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/heartbeat. =20 Uname output: =20 # uname -a FreeBSD ib-03.xxxxx.xxxxxxx.com 6.2-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p12 #0: Thu Apr 30 13:03:39 EEST 2009 =20 root@ib-01.xxxxx.xxxxxxx.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/IB i386 =20 Tried to reinstall all necessary packages, installed fresh copy of the heartbeat...nothing helps. Please provide with a support, how to install heartbeat. Thanx. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 12:45:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DB2106567F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:45:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F58D8FC20 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QCjSxi045676; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:45:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QCjRxP045673; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:45:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:45:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jos Chrispijn In-Reply-To: <4A1BDC17.5010709@webrz.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> <4A1BCEDE.1000701@webrz.net> <4A1BDC17.5010709@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:45:38 -0000 >> similarly to youtube and provide just link with "Play" to your movies. > > Personally I have nothing with YouTube except that I constantly wonder how > they 'stream', which according to your information, is less than I expected > :-) except that it prevents caching, it's not "less than" but "just fine". Today overcomplexity is very popular, but still wrong :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 12:51:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215351065692 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5148FC14 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A6816C03FE; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QCndio001761; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:49:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:49:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:51:53 -0000 Jerry, please excuse my reply, but I think you're not right, and unfair. On Mon, 25 May 2009 15:48:16 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Seriously, one of the major problems I face when trying to get an > associate or friend to try a non Windows solution is printing. Windows > users are use to just sticking a CD in the box, installing the driver > and whatever other programs the distributor has assembled for them, and > then printing. Atleast in Germany, they let a "computer literate friend" do this, because they are not able to, not willing to, or just too lazy. :-) > *nix systems have never been really 'printer' friendly. Explicite NO. This is wrong. So, what's correct? Correct is that (1) FreeBSD is extremely printer-friendly to printers that conform to existing standards. Other than the "Windows" PC that needs drivers specific to the many different "Windows" versions that exist, FreeBSD doesn't need any drivers in best case, which is a PS capable printer. No poppin' in of CDs and "Yes, yes, yes, yes, reboot". In many other cases, tools like apsfilter or CUPS can handle the printer without much interaction. Furthermore correct is that (2) most printers (or devices that the manufacturer calls that way) are not FreeBSD-friendly. This is of course intended, because the manufacturer doesn't want you to use anything except "Windows", because that's everything that exists, and MICROS~1 invented the PC, the mouse, the Internet and the universe anyway. :-) If the menufacturers would stick to existing standards and USE them, there wouldn't be so much problems. In any case, please recognize that I don't disagree with you that printing on FreeBSD can cause trouble in the installation phase, but once you got things working, you don't need to do anything else, and it won't fail. On "Windows" systems, a "Service pack" can make the printer stop working (I've seen this once - for real). > If we are ever going to increase the market share, [...] FreeBSD doesn't have oh joy oh market share, because it isn't a corporation that speculates at the stock exchange. :-) No, honestly: I appreciate every means that increases the usage share (i. e. how many users use the system, not how the buying of a product has influence on the percentage of the whole market, measured in money). And you're right, making printing more easy is one of the goals here. But this is not in FreeBSD's hand (or in the hands of the developers of FreeBSD, or of apsfilter, or of CUPS). It's the printer makers who "invent" new stuff day by day, only supplying drivers for the most recent "Windows". > [...] improving the whole > printer 'experience' needs to be given some serious consideration. Tell the printer makers not to be that stupid, and things will change - for them (sell more printers), and for FreeBSD (attract more users). When going to buy a printer, I primarily consider the compatibility OF THE PRINTER towards the OS I use, not vice versa. I always decided to use office-class printers, even at home, because they just work. > Personally, I cannot see a child or even many adults, going through the > convoluted steps you have described needed to get a simple printer to > work. It isn't a "simple printer". The steps needed to get it running indicate this. If it would be a "simple printer", using PS, apsfilter or CUPS would completely do the job. And the thing even doesn't look like a printer, more like a cross-over between a toaster and a suitcase. :-) > There has to be a better way. Then again, that is just my 2=A2 on > the matter. Yes, the better way would be the manufacturers using the existing standards. It even IS that simple. Or they could release their specifications so volunteers would quickly write a printer driver for their product. In my opinion, FreeBSD does it better than "Windows": It comes with printer drivers (or they can be installed without a CD just by "pkg_add -r apsfilter" or "pkg_add -r cups") and loads the proper driver automatically. This should be mentioned. Just my 0,02 Euro. :-) --=20 Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 12:54:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019231065676 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B441E8FC1B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:54:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C3416C00EF; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:54:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QCsTrT001768; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:54:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:54:29 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FBSD UG Message-Id: <20090526145429.d1d0bb2d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server / YouTube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:54:32 -0000 On Mon, 25 May 2009 23:25:13 +0200, FBSD UG wrote: > without that youtube nonsense there wouldn't be a youtube anymore > it's a copyright agreement not to store the videos on someone's > harddrive > while watching... While downloading, you're usually not watching (while it's still possible to watch inclomplete files with mplayer). And for complete correctness, the video IS stored on the harddrive "in parts" (according to the hard drive based caching of the stream). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 13:10:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8518C106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D438FC14 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE11216C0022; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:10:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QDAPLe001826; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:10:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:10:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: n ramrani Message-Id: <20090526151024.2548fd4e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2ac7a28b0905260045g25950687x7cfb448c84efab48@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ac7a28b0905260045g25950687x7cfb448c84efab48@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: df -h returns negatives values X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:10:32 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 09:45:55 +0200, n ramrani wrote: > Hi, > > I have FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p4. > After a problem, I have : > /dev/aacd0s1d 2.9G -2.2G 4.9G -83% /var > > I tried to do fsck but no change. Any ideas? FreeBSD keeps a certain percentage (I thin 8%) of your disk as a reserve, so you can have more disk space occupied than "full size minus 8%). At the moment, the reserve is utilized to store some data. Maybe you find some files to delete in /var, the situation should normalize. But still, the values look something strange... too strange... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 13:11:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8991065670 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:11:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D3C8FC1B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:11:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888D135037; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:11:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:11:41 +0200 From: cpghost To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20090526131141.GA3856@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> <4A1BCEDE.1000701@webrz.net> <4A1BDC17.5010709@webrz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: rtmpdump (was: Re: Streaming server) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:11:48 -0000 While we're talking about streaming protocols: how comes we don't have rtmpdump in the ports? http://lkcl.net/rtmp/ Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 13:12:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C0810656AA for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 239878FC23 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 14568 invoked by uid 89); 26 May 2009 13:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 26 May 2009 13:16:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1BEAC8.6030505@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:12:40 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Howard Jones References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956C7@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <139b44430905250937u3410ac24g1f0b9f89a0d51f22@mail.gmail.com> <20090525165618.GB8441@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20090525174818.GA32121@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4A1BB15C.40300@network-i.net> In-Reply-To: <4A1BB15C.40300@network-i.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090209030801000301080008" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org, Graeme Dargie , Valentin Bud Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:12:41 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090209030801000301080008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard Jones wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> you are right. you can't be happy of warm house without getting really >> cold some time :) >> >> that's why it's excellent that ZFS (and few other things) is included >> in FreeBSD but it's COMPLETELY optional. >> > Well, I switched from the heater that doesn't work and is poorly > documented (gvinum) to the one that does and is (zfs, albeit mostly > documented by Sun), and so far I am warm :-) > > Once I'd increased kmem, at least. I did get a panic before that, but > now I am shuffling data happily and slightly faster than gvinum did, and > memory has levelled off at about 160MB for zfs. I'll be keeping my > previous hardware RAID in one piece for a little while though, I think, > just in case! (old Adaptec card with a 2TB limit on containers). I moved my AMANDA tapeless backup system to ZFS well over a year ago. It's got four 500GB SATA drives. At first, it would panic frequently sometime during the backup. The backups peak at ~400Mbps of network traffic. I adopted the following script to write out the memory usage during the backup, so I could better tune the system (sorry, I can't recall where I found this code snip): #!/bin/sh TEXT=`/sbin/kldstat | /usr/bin/awk 'BEGIN {print "16i 0";} NR>1 \ {print toupper($4) "+"} END {print "p"}' | dc` DATA=`/usr/bin/vmstat -m | sed -Ee \ '1s/.*/0/;s/.* ([0-9]+)K.*/\1+/;$s/$/1024*p/' | dc` TOTAL=$((DATA + TEXT)) DATE=`/bin/date | awk '{print $4}'` /bin/echo $DATE `/bin/echo $TOTAL | \ /usr/bin/awk '{print $1/1048576}'` >> /home/steve/mem.usage Cronned every minute, I'd end up with a file like this: 19:16:01 500.205 19:17:02 485.699 19:18:01 474.305 19:19:01 473.265 19:20:01 471.874 19:21:02 471.94 ...the next day, I'd be able to review this file to see what the memory usage was at the time of the panic/reboot. I found that: vm.kmem_size="1536M" vm.kmem_size_max="1536M" made the system extremely stable, and since then: amanda# uptime 9:01AM up 81 days, 17:06, I'm about to upgrade the system to -STABLE today... 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Tue, 26 May 2009 13:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0699E8FC1D for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E5416C04F7; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:21:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QDLQl7001871; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:21:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:21:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cpghost Message-Id: <20090526152126.265b21a9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090526131141.GA3856@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> <4A1BCEDE.1000701@webrz.net> <4A1BDC17.5010709@webrz.net> <20090526131141.GA3856@phenom.cordula.ws> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: rtmpdump (was: Re: Streaming server) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:21:35 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 15:11:41 +0200, cpghost wrote: > While we're talking about streaming protocols: how comes we don't > have rtmpdump in the ports? Maybe because of mplayer -streamdump rtsp:// ... ? :-) I've not checked, but using -streamdump with mplayer lets you dump most datastreams (coming from another file, a DVD, a HTTP link or something else) into a file (see -dumpfile). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 13:30:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5091106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:30:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C158FC1B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06EF34E95; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:30:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:30:52 +0200 From: cpghost To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090526133052.GB3856@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> <4A1BCEDE.1000701@webrz.net> <4A1BDC17.5010709@webrz.net> <20090526131141.GA3856@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090526152126.265b21a9.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090526152126.265b21a9.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: rtmpdump (was: Re: Streaming server) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:30:56 -0000 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 03:21:26PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 26 May 2009 15:11:41 +0200, cpghost wrote: > > While we're talking about streaming protocols: how comes we don't > > have rtmpdump in the ports? > > Maybe because of mplayer -streamdump rtsp:// ... ? :-) > > I've not checked, but using -streamdump with mplayer lets > you dump most datastreams (coming from another file, a DVD, > a HTTP link or something else) into a file (see -dumpfile). Hmmm... are you sure? Looking at the sources of rtmpdump-1.6 and mplayer's RTSP library, that's a totally different beast. The protocol strings supported by rtmpdump are: rtmp:// rtmpt:// rtmps:// rtmpe:// rtmpte:// rtmpfp:// Not that this wouldn't be a nice extension to mplayer though... ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 13:55:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590471065670 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:55:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C998FC18 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:55:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9346116C069F; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:55:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QDtedC002016; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:55:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:55:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ivailo Tanusheff Message-Id: <20090526155540.557854df.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090526151024.2548fd4e.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, n ramrani Subject: Re: df -h returns negatives values X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:55:48 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:47:15 +0300, Ivailo Tanusheff wrote: > If that was the case it would say something like 108%, not -83%. Yes, this makes it really strange. I didn't recognize it at first sight, because of the missing header: Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/aacd0s1d 2.9G -2.2G 4.9G -83% /var Another thing that I recognize right now is the device name - aacd0s1d - which refers to the "Adaptec AdvancedRAID Controller driver" (aac / d0 / s1 / d); maybe some disk data is reported wrong by the controller? Not much likely, too... > The other strange value is the used size -2.2G. > I see only 2 options: > - Buffer overflow of the command (not much likely) > - Problem with the data on the disk. This could be determined by running # du -sh /var and compare the "total" result to the size of the /var slice (/dev/aacd0s1d). In any case, a check in SUM with unmounted partition would be good, as you mentioned. > Maybe you should run fsck -fFyv /var -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 14:01:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9C31065672 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterpub2@aboutsupport.com) Received: from dns.msk.asap.bg (dns.msk.asap.bg [78.90.206.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA778FC17 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterpub2@aboutsupport.com) Received: from [10.30.1.106] (unknown [84.238.220.62]) by dns.msk.asap.bg (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44B439836; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:01:43 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4A1BF63E.7050004@aboutsupport.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:01:34 +0300 From: Peter User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: n ramrani References: <2ac7a28b0905260045g25950687x7cfb448c84efab48@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2ac7a28b0905260045g25950687x7cfb448c84efab48@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: df -h returns negatives values X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:01:43 -0000 Hi, do you have by change a partition larger than 2TB ? I had this with larger partions when I was trying to do them with fdisk, not with gpt ? Peter n ramrani wrote: > Hi, > > I have FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p4. > After a problem, I have : > /dev/aacd0s1d 2.9G -2.2G 4.9G -83% /var > > I tried to do fsck but no change. Any ideas? > thanks. > nr. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 14:13:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BBB106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:13:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from i.tanusheff@procreditbank.bg) Received: from mail.procreditbank.bg (mail.procreditbank.bg [193.26.216.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5DF18FC0A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from i.tanusheff@procreditbank.bg) Received: (qmail 71454 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 16:47:14 +0300 Received: from unknown (HELO domino.procreditbank.bg) (10.0.0.15) by 192.168.1.3 with SMTP; 26 May 2009 16:47:14 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20090526151024.2548fd4e.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 From: Ivailo Tanusheff Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:47:15 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DOMINO/BULGARIA/PROCREDITBANK(Release 7.0.2FP2|May 14, 2007) at 26.05.2009 16:47:15, Serialize complete at 26.05.2009 16:47:15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, n ramrani Subject: Re: df -h returns negatives values X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:13:57 -0000 If that was the case it would say something like 108%, not -83%. The other strange value is the used size -2.2G. I see only 2 options: - Buffer overflow of the command (not much likely) - Problem with the data on the disk. Maybe you should run fsck -fFyv /var Regards, Ivailo Tanusheff Deputy Head of IT Department ProCredit Bank (Bulgaria) AD Polytropon Sent by: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 26.05.2009 16:12 Please respond to Polytropon To n ramrani cc freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject Re: df -h returns negatives values On Tue, 26 May 2009 09:45:55 +0200, n ramrani wrote: > Hi, > > I have FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p4. > After a problem, I have : > /dev/aacd0s1d 2.9G -2.2G 4.9G -83% /var > > I tried to do fsck but no change. Any ideas? FreeBSD keeps a certain percentage (I thin 8%) of your disk as a reserve, so you can have more disk space occupied than "full size minus 8%). At the moment, the reserve is utilized to store some data. Maybe you find some files to delete in /var, the situation should normalize. But still, the values look something strange... too strange... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 14:31:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C1B1065679 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:31:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88278FC1F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A13346A55; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 26 May 2009 10:31:28 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: pxMPk3yEskp6tExy1OSCxOzAZarsFMmxgJj1oZM7kApk 1243348288 Received: from hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 07E93AD9D; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <43F89C0B-370E-4E29-9214-E447768C97A3@goldmark.org> From: Jeffrey Goldberg To: Roland Smith In-Reply-To: <20090525190039.GA39139@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:31:25 -0500 References: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> <20090525190039.GA39139@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: Kelly Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:31:30 -0000 On May 25, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > You could use the -S option and specify a constant salt. It might make > the encrypted materials easier to break, though. You can generate a > random salt with openssl as well: > Or you can use the -nosalt option. But as explained in > [http://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/enc.html], using a random salt by > default is a design decision because: "Without the -salt option it is > possible to perform efficient dictionary attacks on the password". > That > doesn't sound good, does it? This is being used for file encryption, not password encryption. So a dictionary attack isn't all that likely unless the encrypted files are of a specific nature (known template which remains constant while only small parts of the file vary). Note that without salt (or with constant salt) an attacker would know which files are identical both within a snapshot or across them. But this is pretty much what the OP wants the back-up system to know, so I guess that would be okay. > If you are using a (e.g. USB connected) disk as backup, use geli(8) > to encrypt > the whole disk instead of encrypting each file separately. The OP may be doing something like rsync over an insecure network. But in the absence of details about the OPs situation it's hard to make solid recommendations. As you suggest, encrypting the resulting back-up filesystem is probably the the best option if the back-up filesystem is exacted to be the target of attack. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 14:52:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF3D106566B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from ti-edu.ch (posta.ti-edu.ch [195.176.176.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60DD8FC18 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [193.5.152.27] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by ti-edu.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 32725224 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:52:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:52:52 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:52:58 -0000 Hi people. Please help! This morning I decided to go back to plain smtp without authentication that I had enabled about one year ago following the instructions in the handbook. Now sendmail doesn't deliver any more local mail. Here's part of a line from /var/log/maillog stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local and # sendmail -bp ... n4Q8Wf2u075903 1254 Tue May 26 10:32 (reply: read error from local) Total requests: 118 So here's what I've done this morning: # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/saslauthd stop edit /etc/rc.conf to remove the following line: saslauthd_enable="YES" edit /etc/make.conf and remove the following lines: SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include/sasl -DSASL SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib SENDMAIL_LDADD=-lsasl2 # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2-saslauthd # make deinstall # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 # make deinstall # pw userdel cyrus # cd /usr/src/lib/libsmutil # make cleandir && make obj && make # cd /usr/src/lib/libsm # make cleandir && make obj && make # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail # make cleandir && make obj && make && make install # cd /etc/mail edit /etc/mail/myhost.mydomain.mc Remove these lines from it: dnl set SASL options TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl # make # make install restart Thank you! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 15:01:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27A11065690 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ilikefbsd@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de (fmmailgate01.web.de [217.72.192.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672948FC14 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:01:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ilikefbsd@web.de) Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90391103E831D; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:01:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [80.153.109.231] (helo=[192.168.1.104]) by smtp08.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (WEB.DE 4.110 #277) id 1M8y9V-00055x-00; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:01:17 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1C043C.30509@web.de> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:01:16 +0200 From: Marco User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090410) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Henrik Sylvester References: 4A0D3D63.903@web.de <4A0D6177.5070601@janh.de> In-Reply-To: <4A0D6177.5070601@janh.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ilikefbsd@web.de X-Sender: ilikefbsd@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/DQuKhbgGW88i4stfJYk3cQ0qdt1YJM1LXJJDF zI42JtBAGOeiaskb2NNV1evdhEkN9jVqLmPtQQHbL38QAE7LG+ yA6/S3RcU= Cc: questions-list freebsd Subject: Re: USB WLAN Atheros and USB Ethernet FBSD 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:01:20 -0000 thank you, this was exactly stuff i was looking for, external linksys or other is already here, but i want to do one device this stuff. unfortunatly the device has no mini-pci slot, i'd love to build it like this as i see very good atheros support in fbsd. however, if the other drivers also support hostap mode this would be a way to go.current-8 is of course not applicable for this job as i want a stable system ;-) thank you guys very much for your help, marco Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > Marco wrote: >> iam thinking of building a router with usb wlan and usb ethernet >> controller attached. as the wlan device shall be an AP i would go for >> atheros stick. however, i'am unsure if anybody has expirience if or >> which devices should work out of the box with latest stable release. >> i read something about a "uath" device module but could not find it >> in my sys-tree. > > uath is only available in 8-CURRENT and I am not sure, if it does Host > AP mode. (The same goes for upgt.) > > In 7.2-RELEASE (and 7-STABLE), the only usb wlan drivers are ural, > rum, and zyd, but zyd does not do Host AP for what I know (and it was > never stable for me). ural and rum both do Host AP. > > Maybe this is interesting for you: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Open_Source_Wireless_Drivers > > Anyhow, why does it have to be usb? From my own experience, usb > devices do not work as well as Cardbus or (Mini)PCI. You will probably > be much more happy, if you get an ath based MiniPCI card. > > Cheers, > Jan Henrik > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 13:50:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA64A1065676 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f166.google.com (mail-gx0-f166.google.com [209.85.217.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFE78FC1F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so69810gxk.19 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:50:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gSutoqrJpqkf9cTJsAYclZnG7J1kFkXnkYKABKuqk1w=; b=GObeoSInq0FTR3F87n4WshedMsWNActYPaZjtUiUkziYIx2Hf9rvPFENBfJ4bPDH1f xfhhxx/BrDrMErYzDMeo/Oq/liQHCLKUUduduKeU+PLrvWFchBQ1Xyaxej8sHlG7UFfh 28TNU5LBSlGJLHduRlm7hmy/wi/7aMVtUK9go= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XFSSiub+SR5Hgn471cDzfy4VOOEs/2DW8j9VbqT76j4Jz9p7jtWaVkzCvinnYtlV/C yVSgrpqLp2WW5J9zgaAfur6FMDy/0Ix3BvIWGPsOftUsaHsr2jlQA97LtFT46gze+mrX QJg2F58NXylm2HLjft4akKv16/HKeSS2iMfiM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.182.5 with SMTP id e5mr16659079ybf.328.1243345837781; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:50:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1BEAC8.6030505@ibctech.ca> References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956C7@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <139b44430905250937u3410ac24g1f0b9f89a0d51f22@mail.gmail.com> <20090525165618.GB8441@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20090525174818.GA32121@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4A1BB15C.40300@network-i.net> <4A1BEAC8.6030505@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:50:37 -0600 Message-ID: <6201873e0905260650s6172cc71ib53d61f9e9affb2d@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Steve Bertrand , Howard Jones , Wojciech Puchar , FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org, Graeme Dargie , Valentin Bud Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:25:07 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:50:38 -0000 Sweet thanks for the info. Building one of those boxes is next in the list. On 5/26/09, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Howard Jones wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> you are right. you can't be happy of warm house without getting really >>> cold some time :) >>> >>> that's why it's excellent that ZFS (and few other things) is included >>> in FreeBSD but it's COMPLETELY optional. >>> >> Well, I switched from the heater that doesn't work and is poorly >> documented (gvinum) to the one that does and is (zfs, albeit mostly >> documented by Sun), and so far I am warm :-) >> >> Once I'd increased kmem, at least. I did get a panic before that, but >> now I am shuffling data happily and slightly faster than gvinum did, and >> memory has levelled off at about 160MB for zfs. I'll be keeping my >> previous hardware RAID in one piece for a little while though, I think, >> just in case! (old Adaptec card with a 2TB limit on containers). > > I moved my AMANDA tapeless backup system to ZFS well over a year ago. > It's got four 500GB SATA drives. > > At first, it would panic frequently sometime during the backup. The > backups peak at ~400Mbps of network traffic. I adopted the following > script to write out the memory usage during the backup, so I could > better tune the system (sorry, I can't recall where I found this code snip): > > #!/bin/sh > > TEXT=`/sbin/kldstat | /usr/bin/awk 'BEGIN {print "16i 0";} NR>1 \ > {print toupper($4) "+"} END {print "p"}' | dc` > > DATA=`/usr/bin/vmstat -m | sed -Ee \ > '1s/.*/0/;s/.* ([0-9]+)K.*/\1+/;$s/$/1024*p/' | dc` > > TOTAL=$((DATA + TEXT)) > DATE=`/bin/date | awk '{print $4}'` > > /bin/echo $DATE `/bin/echo $TOTAL | \ > /usr/bin/awk '{print $1/1048576}'` >> /home/steve/mem.usage > > Cronned every minute, I'd end up with a file like this: > > 19:16:01 500.205 > 19:17:02 485.699 > 19:18:01 474.305 > 19:19:01 473.265 > 19:20:01 471.874 > 19:21:02 471.94 > > ...the next day, I'd be able to review this file to see what the memory > usage was at the time of the panic/reboot. > > I found that: > > vm.kmem_size="1536M" > vm.kmem_size_max="1536M" > > made the system extremely stable, and since then: > > amanda# uptime > 9:01AM up 81 days, 17:06, > > I'm about to upgrade the system to -STABLE today... > > Steve > -- Adam Vande More Systems Administrator Mobility Sales From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 15:33:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88AC10657A7 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:33:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f164.google.com (mail-ew0-f164.google.com [209.85.219.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688778FC23 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so384032ewy.43 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:33:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kA+U8SuRW63GsaO1l910oCz74PVlrNVbc2PPWk9NnTo=; b=bv9GZiRu2ENCb2AdujzOYf0zM4T9d0UIHv0tR/ZJKTzTAv5aLDsKFCSqjukriv0GX2 pbO/i65SWR+K54PB4H3VEs/lcAG2tgRwbSpRpx4Nc6iaBMKGL9/yVRnDa13+p2aDIc5F Y2g/K7SiusJZLH8j3anofF8XQF4OA4JOsU/Xs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=u/S1IYrF0w5zwX07BRDnqLchfeaxA+tp3q0aYJkdUqPAdsh9dU1699sAnPUmTkR/ku YWEdAvM1LuyqWNlFMk3chKtM7K+fIjDzQLblUrb+qYQl5kLDTECxcxEVQoWqyrjhYv9W YSLPm1fvUSMAhgwYN4P6x+IqvNy601/1/QHWw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.3.65 with SMTP id 43mr3190966weg.149.1243352026186; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:33:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <54db43990905161710m1879bb2bqaf1b059335d695a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <54db43990905161710m1879bb2bqaf1b059335d695a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:33:46 -0400 Message-ID: <54db43990905260833y7d0d2ad2vd6157dbcc2a1e9fc@mail.gmail.com> From: Bob Johnson To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Inspiron 15 (aka 1545) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:33:49 -0000 On 5/16/09, Bob Johnson wrote: > This question has sort of been asked before, but I never saw a clear > answer, so here it is, in the hope that someone can save me some time: > > I need a cheap, simple, reasonably light laptop, but not a tiny > display, and I'm looking at the Best Buy pre-configured Inspiron 15 > (i.e. Inspiron 1545). Anyone have direct experience with FreeBSD amd64 > on one of these? Is there anything that isn't going to work? > For the benefit of anyone else considering this laptop: I went ahead and bought the thing, and everything I have looked at so far except the Dell Wireless 1397 card is working (and I expect to eventually beat it into submission), although some things took a little extra work. I'm in the process of writing up my experience at http://myfreebsd.tumblr.com > The video is "Intel Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD". If > it works well enough to watch DVDs and the occasional downloaded > video, I'll be happy. Video works with X.org. > > The wireless card is a Dell 1397 802.11b/g. Will I be able to build an > NDIS driver (presumably on 7.2-RELEASE amd64)? No success yet. Dell's most recent 64-bit driver wrapped with ndisgen panics the system when I kldload it. > > Is the ExpressCard 34 slot supported? Don't have a card to test it with yet. > > Best Buy's description is at > http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9149414&type=product&id=1218036213682 > Sound works. USB ports work. Haven't tested external video. Got the Yukon wired Ethernet card to work by installing Yukon's proprietary FreeBSD driver (myk). As of today, it appears that there is a patch to the BSD msk driver that will get it working with this card, but I haven't tested it. The "7-function multimedia" slot seems to work, but the only time I've used it to copy data from a card, it was excruciatingly slow. It took hours to copy a 2 GB SD card (kept stalling and moving no data for minutes at a time). I haven't tried to find the reason for that yet, but my vague recollection is that I've run into that problem in the past and was able to fix it. Haven't yet tested the camera, but it is seen by the USB system, so I expect there to be software out there that knows what to do with it. A few quirks that are interesting (e.g. default keyboard mapping). See the blog linked above for details. - Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 15:34:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974001065672 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:34:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip.keuleers@EDS.COM) Received: from spmler1.mail.eds.com (spmler1.mail.eds.com [194.128.225.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06BDD8FC2A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip.keuleers@EDS.COM) Received: from spmlir3.mail.eds.com (spmlir3-2.mail.eds.com [205.191.69.205]) by spmler1.mail.eds.com (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4QFCrQs010709 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:08 +0100 Received: from spmlir3.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spmlir3.mail.eds.com (8.14.2/8.12.10) with ESMTP id n4QFCnwi002172 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:49 +0100 Received: from DERUM100.emea.corp.eds.com ([145.16.186.33]) by spmlir3.mail.eds.com (8.14.2/8.12.10) with ESMTP id n4QFCin2002032 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:48 +0100 X-EDSINT-Source-Ip: 145.16.186.33 Received: from defrm205.emea.corp.eds.com ([145.16.186.27]) by DERUM100.emea.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 26 May 2009 17:12:47 +0200 Received: from 199.42.96.35 ([199.42.96.35]) by defrm205.emea.corp.eds.com ([145.16.186.27]) via Exchange Front-End Server uspl.webmail.eds.com ([198.132.135.34]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:12:46 +0000 Received: from w2cz2nhc01.be.eds.com by uspl.webmail.eds.com; 26 May 2009 17:13:56 +0200 From: Philip Keuleers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Organization: EDS an HP company Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:13:56 +0200 Message-Id: <1243350836.35447.7.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2009 15:12:47.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D4217D0:01C9DE14] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD-7.1-RELEASE and libkrb5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: philip.keuleers@EDS.COM List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:34:16 -0000 I had the same issue you describe portupgrading to evolution-exchange-2.26.2. I moved /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.9 to /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.9_old and created a symbolic link. mv /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.9 /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.9_old ln -s /usr/local/lib/libkrb5.so.23 /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.9 it seems to have done the trick and evolution-exchange works fine for me now :-) Philip From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 15:49:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A81B106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:49:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from ti-edu.ch (posta.ti-edu.ch [195.176.176.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F848FC30 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [193.5.152.27] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by ti-edu.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 32728788 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:49:22 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:49:21 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> In-Reply-To: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:49:26 -0000 for completeness, the last lines of maillog if I send a mail from root to a local account (robi): May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sendmail[10730]: n4QFeh7V010730: to=robi, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=relay, pri=30032, r=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (n4QFeh2X010731 Message accepted for delivery) May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: smtpquit: mailer local exited with exit value 1 May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: to=, ctladdr= (0/0), delay=00:00:03,lay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30862, relay=local, dsn=4.4.2, stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local May 26 17:40:47 jupiter spamd[4853]: prefork: child states: II Please help! Thank you! Robi Roberto Nunnari ha scritto: > Hi people. > > Please help! > > This morning I decided to go back to plain smtp without > authentication that I had enabled about one year ago > following the instructions in the handbook. > > Now sendmail doesn't deliver any more local mail. > Here's part of a line from /var/log/maillog > stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local > > and > # sendmail -bp > ... > n4Q8Wf2u075903 1254 Tue May 26 10:32 > (reply: read error from local) > > Total requests: 118 > > > > So here's what I've done this morning: > # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/saslauthd stop > > edit /etc/rc.conf to remove the following line: > saslauthd_enable="YES" > > edit /etc/make.conf and remove the following lines: > SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include/sasl -DSASL > SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib > SENDMAIL_LDADD=-lsasl2 > > # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2-saslauthd > # make deinstall > > # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 > # make deinstall > # pw userdel cyrus > > # cd /usr/src/lib/libsmutil > # make cleandir && make obj && make > # cd /usr/src/lib/libsm > # make cleandir && make obj && make > # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail > # make cleandir && make obj && make && make install > > # cd /etc/mail > > edit /etc/mail/myhost.mydomain.mc > Remove these lines from it: > dnl set SASL options > TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl > define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl > > # make > # make install restart > > Thank you! > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:04:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EC7106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77318FC21 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QG4Gix046340; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:04:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QG4FXV046337; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:04:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:04:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roberto Nunnari In-Reply-To: <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> Message-ID: References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:04:26 -0000 > for completeness, the last lines of maillog if I send a mail from root to a > local account (robi): > > May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sendmail[10730]: n4QFeh7V010730: to=robi, > ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=relay, pri=30032, > r=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (n4QFeh2X010731 Message > accepted for delivery) > May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: smtpquit: mailer local > exited with exit value 1 > May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: to=, > ctladdr= (0/0), delay=00:00:03,lay=00:00:00, mailer=local, > pri=30862, relay=local, dsn=4.4.2, stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local > May 26 17:40:47 jupiter spamd[4853]: prefork: child states: II > > Please help! > Thank you! > Robi please do ps ax|grep sendmail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:07:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4B6106566B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3568FC0C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QG7abM046372; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:07:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QG7atf046369; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:07:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:07:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090526152126.265b21a9.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> <4A1BCEDE.1000701@webrz.net> <4A1BDC17.5010709@webrz.net> <20090526131141.GA3856@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090526152126.265b21a9.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: rtmpdump (was: Re: Streaming server) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:07:57 -0000 >> have rtmpdump in the ports? > > Maybe because of mplayer -streamdump rtsp:// ... ? :-)> > I've not checked, but using -streamdump with mplayer lets > you dump most datastreams (coming from another file, a DVD, actually i never had a case it would fail to work :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:09:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341BD1065674 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDEA8FC23 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QG9hV4046399; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:09:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QG9giM046396; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:09:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:09:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090526145429.d1d0bb2d.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> <20090526145429.d1d0bb2d.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FBSD UG , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server / YouTube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:09:54 -0000 >> while watching... > > While downloading, you're usually not watching (while it's > still possible to watch inclomplete files with mplayer). if you type URL containing flash movie in browser (with flash enabled of course ;) it will start playing it before downloading all. > > And for complete correctness, the video IS stored on the > harddrive "in parts" (according to the hard drive based > caching of the stream). are you sure on harddrive not memory only? i assume you talk about youtube player. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:12:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EDE1065696 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB0D8FC18 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:11:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QGBrOx046424; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:11:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QGBq53046421; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:11:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:11:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jos Chrispijn In-Reply-To: <4A1BDC17.5010709@webrz.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <4A1B01DC.1060800@webrz.net> <4A1BCEDE.1000701@webrz.net> <4A1BDC17.5010709@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:02 -0000 > > Personally I have nothing with YouTube except that I constantly wonder how i do have. because "youtube quality"== no quality. i treat this mostly as a preview, like downloading for eg. music video to look if it's worth to seek for normal quality version. anyway noone is forced to use it, and it's free so all is fine :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:13:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C75D1065694 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from ti-edu.ch (posta.ti-edu.ch [195.176.176.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53888FC1B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [193.5.152.27] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by ti-edu.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 32729359; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:13:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:13:12 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:17 -0000 Hi Wojciech. Thank you. See my answer in context. Wojciech Puchar ha scritto: >> for completeness, the last lines of maillog if I send a mail from root >> to a local account (robi): >> >> May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sendmail[10730]: n4QFeh7V010730: to=robi, >> ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=relay, >> pri=30032, r=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent >> (n4QFeh2X010731 Message accepted for delivery) >> May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: smtpquit: >> mailer local exited with exit value 1 >> May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: >> to=, ctladdr= (0/0), >> delay=00:00:03,lay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30862, relay=local, >> dsn=4.4.2, stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local >> May 26 17:40:47 jupiter spamd[4853]: prefork: child states: II >> >> Please help! >> Thank you! >> Robi > please do > > ps ax|grep sendmail # ps ax|grep sendmail 12313 ?? Ss 0:00.04 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail) 12314 ?? S 0:02.34 sendmail: ./n4QG4DDt012314 mx1.eu.apache.org.: client DATA 354 (sendmail) 12315 ?? Is 0:00.00 sendmail: Queue runner@00:30:00 for /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmail) 12765 p1 S+ 0:00.01 grep sendmail > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:16:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472F610656C4 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:16:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from ti-edu.ch (posta.ti-edu.ch [195.176.176.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58468FC15 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [193.5.152.27] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by ti-edu.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 32729409; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:16:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1C15EE.6080308@supsi.ch> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:16:46 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Kellers References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1315.6080308@wallnet.com> In-Reply-To: <4A1C1315.6080308@wallnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:16:49 -0000 Hi Tim. Thank you for your time. Tim Kellers ha scritto: > Was sendmail compiled with SASL? Do you have anything in I can I find it out? Here's my /etc/make.conf # cat /etc/make.conf CFLAGS= -O -pipe NO_PROFILE=1 # no X, solo alfanumerico WITHOUT_X11=yes NO_X11=yes # come richiesto dal sistema di ports.. X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} # per compilare ports che dipendono su apache e mod_perl WITH_MODPERL2=1 WITH_APACHE2=1 # Begin portconf settings # Do not touch these lines .if !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/ports*) && exists(/usr/local/libexec/portconf) _PORTCONF!=/usr/local/libexec/portconf .for i in ${_PORTCONF:S/|/ /g} ${i:S/%/ /g} .endfor .endif # End portconf settings # added by use.perl 2009-03-27 16:19:32 PERL_VERSION=5.8.9 > /etc/mail/mailer.conf? # cat /etc/mail/mailer.conf # $FreeBSD: src/etc/mail/mailer.conf,v 1.3 2002/04/05 04:25:12 gshapiro Exp $ # # Execute the "real" sendmail program, named /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail # sendmail /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail send-mail /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail mailq /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail newaliases /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail hoststat /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail purgestat /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail > > Roberto Nunnari wrote: >> for completeness, the last lines of maillog if I send a mail from root >> to a local account (robi): >> >> May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sendmail[10730]: n4QFeh7V010730: to=robi, >> ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=relay, >> pri=30032, r=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent >> (n4QFeh2X010731 Message accepted for delivery) >> May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: smtpquit: >> mailer local exited with exit value 1 >> May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: >> to=, ctladdr= (0/0), >> delay=00:00:03,lay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30862, relay=local, >> dsn=4.4.2, stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local >> May 26 17:40:47 jupiter spamd[4853]: prefork: child states: II >> >> Please help! >> Thank you! >> Robi >> >> >> Roberto Nunnari ha scritto: >>> Hi people. >>> >>> Please help! >>> >>> This morning I decided to go back to plain smtp without >>> authentication that I had enabled about one year ago >>> following the instructions in the handbook. >>> >>> Now sendmail doesn't deliver any more local mail. >>> Here's part of a line from /var/log/maillog >>> stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local >>> >>> and >>> # sendmail -bp >>> ... >>> n4Q8Wf2u075903 1254 Tue May 26 10:32 >>> (reply: read error from local) >>> >>> Total requests: 118 >>> >>> >>> >>> So here's what I've done this morning: >>> # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/saslauthd stop >>> >>> edit /etc/rc.conf to remove the following line: >>> saslauthd_enable="YES" >>> >>> edit /etc/make.conf and remove the following lines: >>> SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include/sasl -DSASL >>> SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib >>> SENDMAIL_LDADD=-lsasl2 >>> >>> # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2-saslauthd >>> # make deinstall >>> >>> # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 >>> # make deinstall >>> # pw userdel cyrus >>> >>> # cd /usr/src/lib/libsmutil >>> # make cleandir && make obj && make >>> # cd /usr/src/lib/libsm >>> # make cleandir && make obj && make >>> # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail >>> # make cleandir && make obj && make && make install >>> >>> # cd /etc/mail >>> >>> edit /etc/mail/myhost.mydomain.mc >>> Remove these lines from it: >>> dnl set SASL options >>> TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl >>> define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl >>> >>> # make >>> # make install restart >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:18:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8AB1065676 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:18:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68248FC26 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4QGHww2046334; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:17:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D9297BAA3; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:17:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:17:57 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Pieter Donche Message-ID: <20090526161757.GA75202@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: sane-backends X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:18:00 -0000 --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:15:32AM +0200, Pieter Donche wrote: > When doing a portupgrade -a > the port sane-backends-1.0.20_1 gives compilation errors... > What to do with that?=20 Don't upgrade it, but remove the port with pkg_delete and then compile and install the newer version.=20 Upgrading doesn't work in this case because the compilation finds and uses the installed header files of the old version, which obviously don't match the new code.=20 Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkocFjUACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWW0ACgnADHzJ8sJWARFvID9aMldsuO V9oAnj+3BeWHmk71DIwmBxILnXQnbdez =Lsz7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:20:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D040010656D5 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:20:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574558FC1C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QGKP8d046524; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:20:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QGKOld046521; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:20:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:20:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roberto Nunnari In-Reply-To: <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> Message-ID: References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:20:35 -0000 >> >> ps ax|grep sendmail > > # ps ax|grep sendmail > 12313 ?? Ss 0:00.04 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail) > 12314 ?? S 0:02.34 sendmail: ./n4QG4DDt012314 mx1.eu.apache.org.: > client DATA 354 (sendmail) > 12315 ?? Is 0:00.00 sendmail: Queue runner@00:30:00 for > /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmail) this looks fine. now show me your /etc/mail/`hostname`*.mc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:39:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B68B106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B1B8FC21 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so5631581qyk.3 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:39:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Pq1Q1A4Ft+AUV9XXibs5iVRAux6FAYc5jc/K7og49U=; b=f5PnTahymZgVw6hjMQLrn8h3wGbcEd4nVKnVOB/SQexDW7BlI0RyYPsgCgAPpx5tHI 44KK9iZhLvor0t1CdzWarbGm8XQ1e8P/2oV5PRAcP2uLFf0aBi67PDjskLKJT7YqK+j7 qQLPg0hJUX51CpEdc1CHCM7/PjCgLw//wXWHM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=XVDs2O9ameNl5c8sauedU3CUryJKPUOc+B5NHFxq5pp2QkhwrLyPoYYWY1kF3FkMzl hONr2349igqIRcfW863vruavJAlssO/Yz9Ppkr0MyFWRmAD5b8XTKO41sRIiPEouIqHa gEsH/WsCDxrN11DS79bsnQMAdkvKxYktMk9N8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.80.1 with SMTP id r1mr2308698qck.93.1243355965440; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:39:25 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905260939r41ba8848yd1a142441b52af3f@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Better version of ispell? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:39:27 -0000 Is there a version/improvment of ispell that: % Lets you exclude certain sections of a file from spellchecking? Example: I often email sendmail logs with their random-character queue ids. I don't want ispell to check those cut/pasted logs. % Lets you declare correctly-spelled words as being incorrect? % Example: I often misspell the word "cron" as "corn"; ispell obviously doesn't catch this. I rarely use the word "corn". I want to remove "corn" from the dictionary w/o actually tweaking /usr/dict/words or whatever ispell uses. I know you can *add* words (using %$HOME/.ispell_english for example), but what spellchecker lets you *remove* them as well? I know about aspell, but think it suffers from the same limitations (in fact, ti may be the same program?) I posted a similar query to aspell-user@gnu.org earlier, but got no reply, so I thought I'd try this list instead. -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. [for absolute pedants: yes, I misspelled improvement incorrectly up there!] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:48:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B351065670 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from ti-edu.ch (posta.ti-edu.ch [195.176.176.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF1C8FC1D for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [193.5.152.27] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by ti-edu.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 32729979; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:48:30 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:48:30 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:48:33 -0000 Wojciech Puchar ha scritto: >>> >>> ps ax|grep sendmail >> >> # ps ax|grep sendmail >> 12313 ?? Ss 0:00.04 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail) >> 12314 ?? S 0:02.34 sendmail: ./n4QG4DDt012314 >> mx1.eu.apache.org.: client DATA 354 (sendmail) >> 12315 ?? Is 0:00.00 sendmail: Queue runner@00:30:00 for >> /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmail) > > this looks fine. > > now show me your /etc/mail/`hostname`*.mc here it is: divert(0) VERSIONID(`$FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.29 2003/12/24 21:15:09 gshapiro Exp $') OSTYPE(freebsd6) DOMAIN(generic) dnl FEATURE(`dnsbl', `relays.ordb.org', `"550 Email rejected due to sending server misconfiguration - see http://www.ordb.org/faq/\#why_rejected"')dnl FEATURE(`dnsbl', `sbl.spamhaus.org', `"550 Mail from " $`'&{client_addr} " refused - see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/"') FEATURE(`dnsbl', `list.dsbl.org', `"550 Mail from " $`'&{client_addr} " refused - see http://dsbl.org/"') FEATURE(`dnsbl', `bl.spamcop.net', `"450 Mail from " $`'&{client_addr} " refused - see http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml"') FEATURE(access_db, `hash -o -T /etc/mail/access') FEATURE(blacklist_recipients) FEATURE(local_lmtp) FEATURE(mailertable, `hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable') FEATURE(virtusertable, `hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable') dnl FEATURE(genericstable, `hash -o /etc/mail/genericstable') dnl GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/generics-domains') INPUT_MAIL_FILTER(`spamassassin', `S=local:/var/run/spamass-milter.sock, F=, T=C:15m;S:4m;R:4m;E:10m') define(`confMILTER_MACROS_CONNECT',`b, j, _, {daemon_name}, {if_name}, {if_addr}')dnl define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/local-host-names') dnl Enable for both IPv4 and IPv6 (optional) DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv4, Family=inet') dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv6, Family=inet6, Modifiers=O') define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBrokenAAAA') define(`confNO_RCPT_ACTION', `add-to-undisclosed') define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS', `authwarnings,noexpn,novrfy') MAILER(local) MAILER(smtp) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:49:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE6E1065673 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:49:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@wallnet.com) Received: from mail-gw5.njit.edu (mail-gw5.njit.edu [128.235.251.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB7F8FC18 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:49:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@wallnet.com) Received: from gilgamesh.maestro (dhcp114-142.njit.edu [128.235.114.142]) by mail-gw5.njit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4QG4cWB018224; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A1C1315.6080308@wallnet.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:04:37 -0400 From: Tim Kellers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090128) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roberto Nunnari References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> In-Reply-To: <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:49:22 -0000 Was sendmail compiled with SASL? Do you have anything in /etc/mail/mailer.conf? Roberto Nunnari wrote: > for completeness, the last lines of maillog if I send a mail from root > to a local account (robi): > > May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sendmail[10730]: n4QFeh7V010730: to=robi, > ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=relay, > pri=30032, r=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > (n4QFeh2X010731 Message accepted for delivery) > May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: smtpquit: > mailer local exited with exit value 1 > May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: > to=, ctladdr= (0/0), > delay=00:00:03,lay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30862, relay=local, > dsn=4.4.2, stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local > May 26 17:40:47 jupiter spamd[4853]: prefork: child states: II > > Please help! > Thank you! > Robi > > > Roberto Nunnari ha scritto: >> Hi people. >> >> Please help! >> >> This morning I decided to go back to plain smtp without >> authentication that I had enabled about one year ago >> following the instructions in the handbook. >> >> Now sendmail doesn't deliver any more local mail. >> Here's part of a line from /var/log/maillog >> stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local >> >> and >> # sendmail -bp >> ... >> n4Q8Wf2u075903 1254 Tue May 26 10:32 >> (reply: read error from local) >> >> Total requests: 118 >> >> >> >> So here's what I've done this morning: >> # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/saslauthd stop >> >> edit /etc/rc.conf to remove the following line: >> saslauthd_enable="YES" >> >> edit /etc/make.conf and remove the following lines: >> SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include/sasl -DSASL >> SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib >> SENDMAIL_LDADD=-lsasl2 >> >> # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2-saslauthd >> # make deinstall >> >> # cd /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 >> # make deinstall >> # pw userdel cyrus >> >> # cd /usr/src/lib/libsmutil >> # make cleandir && make obj && make >> # cd /usr/src/lib/libsm >> # make cleandir && make obj && make >> # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail >> # make cleandir && make obj && make && make install >> >> # cd /etc/mail >> >> edit /etc/mail/myhost.mydomain.mc >> Remove these lines from it: >> dnl set SASL options >> TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl >> define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl >> >> # make >> # make install restart >> >> Thank you! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:55:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC2A1065679 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD6A8FC13 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:55:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QGt9Xx046815; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:55:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QGt8Xw046812; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:55:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:55:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roberto Nunnari In-Reply-To: <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> Message-ID: References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:55:19 -0000 >> >> now show me your /etc/mail/`hostname`*.mc > here it is: it's `hostname`.mc looks OK but how about `hostname`.submit.mc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:57:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8CB1065680 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from ti-edu.ch (posta.ti-edu.ch [195.176.176.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED658FC2C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:57:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [193.5.152.27] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by ti-edu.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 32730112; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:57:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1C1F7C.5010500@supsi.ch> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:57:32 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:57:35 -0000 Wojciech Puchar ha scritto: >>> >>> now show me your /etc/mail/`hostname`*.mc >> here it is: > > it's `hostname`.mc looks OK but how about `hostname`.submit.mc > here it is: divert(0)dnl VERSIONID(`$FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.submit.mc,v 1.1 2003/10/19 00:03:13 gshapiro Exp $') define(`confCF_VERSION', `Submit')dnl define(`__OSTYPE__',`')dnl dirty hack to keep proto.m4 from complaining define(`_USE_DECNET_SYNTAX_', `1')dnl support DECnet define(`confTIME_ZONE', `USE_TZ')dnl define(`confDONT_INIT_GROUPS', `True')dnl define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBrokenAAAA')dnl dnl dnl If you use IPv6 only, change [127.0.0.1] to [IPv6:::1] FEATURE(`msp', `[127.0.0.1]')dnl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 16:59:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1AB106572D for ; 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Tue, 26 May 2009 09:59:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090526151024.2548fd4e.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <2ac7a28b0905260045g25950687x7cfb448c84efab48@mail.gmail.com> <20090526151024.2548fd4e.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:59:06 +0200 Message-ID: <2ac7a28b0905260959u512cec7fkba0afc9332ec3ae3@mail.gmail.com> From: n ramrani To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: df -h returns negatives values X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:59:09 -0000 - No the controller doesn't report something wrong with my disk (test with arrconf) - my partitions are less than 2TB, I have two 146GB disks in raid1for my system - yes the controller is Adaptec - du -sh /var give me 258M /var /dev/aacd0s1d 2.9G -2.2G 4.9G -83% /var I have /var/crash/ -rw------- 1 root wheel 94818304 May 20 11:56 vmcore.0 I do > rm vmcore.0 /dev/aacd0s1d 2.9G -2.3G 4.9G -86% /var I'll try again to do ( but I am not convinced that this solves my problem) >fsck -fFyv /var 2009/5/26 Polytropon > On Tue, 26 May 2009 09:45:55 +0200, n ramrani wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p4. > > After a problem, I have : > > /dev/aacd0s1d 2.9G -2.2G 4.9G -83% /var > > > > I tried to do fsck but no change. Any ideas? > > FreeBSD keeps a certain percentage (I thin 8%) of your disk > as a reserve, so you can have more disk space occupied than > "full size minus 8%). At the moment, the reserve is utilized > to store some data. > > Maybe you find some files to delete in /var, the situation > should normalize. > > But still, the values look something strange... too strange... > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 17:00:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A66710658F6 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@wallnet.com) Received: from mail-gw5.njit.edu (mail-gw5.njit.edu [128.235.251.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C7F8FC15 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@wallnet.com) Received: from gilgamesh.maestro (dhcp114-142.njit.edu [128.235.114.142]) by mail-gw5.njit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4QGxboO021207; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A1C1FF8.10500@wallnet.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:59:36 -0400 From: Tim Kellers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090128) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roberto Nunnari References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> In-Reply-To: <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:00:26 -0000 From /usr/local/share/doc/cyrus-sasl2/Sendmail.README: "5) Add the following before FEATURE(msp) in your submit.mc file: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=NoMTA, Addr=127.0.0.1, M=EA')dnl This disables SMTP AUTH on the loopback interface." Did you take that line out of your submit.mc file? Tim Roberto Nunnari wrote: > Wojciech Puchar ha scritto: >>>> >>>> ps ax|grep sendmail >>> >>> # ps ax|grep sendmail >>> 12313 ?? Ss 0:00.04 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail) >>> 12314 ?? S 0:02.34 sendmail: ./n4QG4DDt012314 >>> mx1.eu.apache.org.: client DATA 354 (sendmail) >>> 12315 ?? Is 0:00.00 sendmail: Queue runner@00:30:00 for >>> /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmail) >> >> this looks fine. >> >> now show me your /etc/mail/`hostname`*.mc > here it is: > > divert(0) > VERSIONID(`$FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.29 2003/12/24 > 21:15:09 gshapiro Exp $') > OSTYPE(freebsd6) > DOMAIN(generic) > > dnl FEATURE(`dnsbl', `relays.ordb.org', `"550 Email rejected due to > sending server misconfiguration - see > http://www.ordb.org/faq/\#why_rejected"')dnl > FEATURE(`dnsbl', `sbl.spamhaus.org', `"550 Mail from " > $`'&{client_addr} " refused - see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/"') > FEATURE(`dnsbl', `list.dsbl.org', `"550 Mail from " $`'&{client_addr} > " refused - see http://dsbl.org/"') > FEATURE(`dnsbl', `bl.spamcop.net', `"450 Mail from " $`'&{client_addr} > " refused - see http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml"') > > FEATURE(access_db, `hash -o -T /etc/mail/access') > FEATURE(blacklist_recipients) > FEATURE(local_lmtp) > FEATURE(mailertable, `hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable') > FEATURE(virtusertable, `hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable') > dnl FEATURE(genericstable, `hash -o /etc/mail/genericstable') > dnl GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/generics-domains') > > INPUT_MAIL_FILTER(`spamassassin', > `S=local:/var/run/spamass-milter.sock, F=, T=C:15m;S:4m;R:4m;E:10m') > define(`confMILTER_MACROS_CONNECT',`b, j, _, {daemon_name}, {if_name}, > {if_addr}')dnl > > define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/local-host-names') > > dnl Enable for both IPv4 and IPv6 (optional) > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv4, Family=inet') > dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv6, Family=inet6, Modifiers=O') > > define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBrokenAAAA') > define(`confNO_RCPT_ACTION', `add-to-undisclosed') > define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS', `authwarnings,noexpn,novrfy') > MAILER(local) > MAILER(smtp) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 17:01:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8992B106577B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC3E8FC21 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QH1mQw046888; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:01:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QH1k8I046885; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:01:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:01:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roberto Nunnari In-Reply-To: <4A1C1F7C.5010500@supsi.ch> Message-ID: References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> <4A1C1F7C.5010500@supsi.ch> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:01:59 -0000 > here it is: > > divert(0)dnl > VERSIONID(`$FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.submit.mc,v 1.1 2003/10/19 > 00:03:13 gshapiro Exp $') > define(`confCF_VERSION', `Submit')dnl > define(`__OSTYPE__',`')dnl dirty hack to keep proto.m4 from complaining > define(`_USE_DECNET_SYNTAX_', `1')dnl support DECnet > define(`confTIME_ZONE', `USE_TZ')dnl > define(`confDONT_INIT_GROUPS', `True')dnl > define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBrokenAAAA')dnl > dnl > dnl If you use IPv6 only, change [127.0.0.1] to [IPv6:::1] > FEATURE(`msp', `[127.0.0.1]')dnl ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 this line i wanted to check if it listens. looks fine, while your messages suggested that it's not. so no more idea, you talked about that you upgraded things, maybe rm *.cf;make;make install;/etc/rc.d/sendmail restart ? but actually i don't have more ideas. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 17:02:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6E810657B0 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:02:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253BB8FC1C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:02:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4QH2BBT014563; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:02:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D2ABBBAA3; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:02:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:02:10 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Jeffrey Goldberg Message-ID: <20090526170210.GB75202@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> <20090525190039.GA39139@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <43F89C0B-370E-4E29-9214-E447768C97A3@goldmark.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43F89C0B-370E-4E29-9214-E447768C97A3@goldmark.org> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Kelly Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:02:14 -0000 --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:31:25AM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > On May 25, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Roland Smith wrote: >=20 > > You could use the -S option and specify a constant salt. It might make > > the encrypted materials easier to break, though. You can generate a > > random salt with openssl as well: >=20 > > Or you can use the -nosalt option. But as explained in > > [http://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/enc.html], using a random salt by > > default is a design decision because: "Without the -salt option it is > > possible to perform efficient dictionary attacks on the password". =20 > > That > > doesn't sound good, does it? >=20 > This is being used for file encryption, not password encryption.=20 Of course. > So a dictionary attack isn't all that likely unless the encrypted > files are of a specific nature Suppose you are encrypting a tarfile that includes /usr/src/. There are definitely files in that tree that haven't changed in a long time. These could be used as (partial) cribs.=20 > (known template which remains constant while only small parts of the > file vary).=20 Or if you have the case of a 'known-plaintext' attack. It happens more often than you would think:=20 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known-plaintext_attack]=20 Note that using a random salt would be a good protection against such an attack! I agree that in this case such an attack seems unlikely.=20 =46rom the original posters' questions I get the feeling that he is looking for an incremental encrypted backup solution for a large file or files. All possible solutions involve trade-offs between ease of use, robustness and security. And as you've said making a good choice requires more insight into the constraints. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkocIJIACgkQEnfvsMMhpyV2hACgnNdtMEaWCoNkFn8PDZPch3k4 qWsAn0ytWNIxZx2AASCBAR9rhq0e9Hk+ =3fRk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 17:07:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34B1106572D for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from ti-edu.ch (posta.ti-edu.ch [195.176.176.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177528FC17 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [193.5.152.27] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by ti-edu.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 32730291; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:07:09 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1C21BB.9070201@supsi.ch> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:07:07 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Kellers References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> <4A1C1FF8.10500@wallnet.com> In-Reply-To: <4A1C1FF8.10500@wallnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:07:13 -0000 Tim Kellers ha scritto: > From /usr/local/share/doc/cyrus-sasl2/Sendmail.README: > > "5) Add the following before FEATURE(msp) in your submit.mc file: > > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=NoMTA, Addr=127.0.0.1, M=EA')dnl > > This disables SMTP AUTH on the loopback interface." > > Did you take that line out of your submit.mc file? Hi never had that line.. Any more hints? > > Tim > > > Roberto Nunnari wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar ha scritto: >>>>> >>>>> ps ax|grep sendmail >>>> >>>> # ps ax|grep sendmail >>>> 12313 ?? Ss 0:00.04 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail) >>>> 12314 ?? S 0:02.34 sendmail: ./n4QG4DDt012314 >>>> mx1.eu.apache.org.: client DATA 354 (sendmail) >>>> 12315 ?? Is 0:00.00 sendmail: Queue runner@00:30:00 for >>>> /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmail) >>> >>> this looks fine. >>> >>> now show me your /etc/mail/`hostname`*.mc >> here it is: >> >> divert(0) >> VERSIONID(`$FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.29 2003/12/24 >> 21:15:09 gshapiro Exp $') >> OSTYPE(freebsd6) >> DOMAIN(generic) >> >> dnl FEATURE(`dnsbl', `relays.ordb.org', `"550 Email rejected due to >> sending server misconfiguration - see >> http://www.ordb.org/faq/\#why_rejected"')dnl >> FEATURE(`dnsbl', `sbl.spamhaus.org', `"550 Mail from " >> $`'&{client_addr} " refused - see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/"') >> FEATURE(`dnsbl', `list.dsbl.org', `"550 Mail from " $`'&{client_addr} >> " refused - see http://dsbl.org/"') >> FEATURE(`dnsbl', `bl.spamcop.net', `"450 Mail from " $`'&{client_addr} >> " refused - see http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml"') >> >> FEATURE(access_db, `hash -o -T /etc/mail/access') >> FEATURE(blacklist_recipients) >> FEATURE(local_lmtp) >> FEATURE(mailertable, `hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable') >> FEATURE(virtusertable, `hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable') >> dnl FEATURE(genericstable, `hash -o /etc/mail/genericstable') >> dnl GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/generics-domains') >> >> INPUT_MAIL_FILTER(`spamassassin', >> `S=local:/var/run/spamass-milter.sock, F=, T=C:15m;S:4m;R:4m;E:10m') >> define(`confMILTER_MACROS_CONNECT',`b, j, _, {daemon_name}, {if_name}, >> {if_addr}')dnl >> >> define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/local-host-names') >> >> dnl Enable for both IPv4 and IPv6 (optional) >> DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv4, Family=inet') >> dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv6, Family=inet6, Modifiers=O') >> >> define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBrokenAAAA') >> define(`confNO_RCPT_ACTION', `add-to-undisclosed') >> define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS', `authwarnings,noexpn,novrfy') >> MAILER(local) >> MAILER(smtp) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Roberto Nunnari Servizi Informatici SUPSI-DTI SUPSI-DTI - Via Cantonale - 6928 Manno - Switzerland email: mailto:roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch tel: +41-58-6666561 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 17:12:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA918106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from ti-edu.ch (posta.ti-edu.ch [195.176.176.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE5B8FC08 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [193.5.152.27] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by ti-edu.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 32730416; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:12:30 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1C22FE.2090106@supsi.ch> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:12:30 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> <4A1C1F7C.5010500@supsi.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:12:33 -0000 Wojciech Puchar ha scritto: >> here it is: >> >> divert(0)dnl >> VERSIONID(`$FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.submit.mc,v 1.1 >> 2003/10/19 00:03:13 gshapiro Exp $') >> define(`confCF_VERSION', `Submit')dnl >> define(`__OSTYPE__',`')dnl dirty hack to keep proto.m4 from complaining >> define(`_USE_DECNET_SYNTAX_', `1')dnl support DECnet >> define(`confTIME_ZONE', `USE_TZ')dnl >> define(`confDONT_INIT_GROUPS', `True')dnl >> define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBrokenAAAA')dnl >> dnl >> dnl If you use IPv6 only, change [127.0.0.1] to [IPv6:::1] >> FEATURE(`msp', `[127.0.0.1]')dnl > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 > this line i wanted to check if it listens. looks fine, while your > messages suggested that it's not. > > so no more idea, you talked about that you upgraded things, maybe rm > *.cf;make;make install;/etc/rc.d/sendmail restart I did that.. but it doesn't help.. I also recompiled again sendmail from source.. but didn't help neighter.. > ? > > but actually i don't have more ideas. I also don't know what else to look for.. any more hints anybody? Robi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 17:19:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C430C1065672 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:19:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC1C8FC0C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:19:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4QHJKo9072157; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:19:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E0BC4BAA3; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:19:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:19:19 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Kelly Jones Message-ID: <20090526171919.GC75202@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <26face530905260939r41ba8848yd1a142441b52af3f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IpbVkmxF4tDyP/Kb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26face530905260939r41ba8848yd1a142441b52af3f@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Better version of ispell? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:19:22 -0000 --IpbVkmxF4tDyP/Kb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:39:25AM -0700, Kelly Jones wrote: > Is there a version/improvment of ispell that: >=20 > % Lets you exclude certain sections of a file from spellchecking? > Example: I often email sendmail logs with their random-character > queue ids. I don't want ispell to check those cut/pasted logs. >=20 > % Lets you declare correctly-spelled words as being incorrect? >=20 > % Example: I often misspell the word "cron" as "corn"; ispell > obviously doesn't catch this. I rarely use the word "corn".=20 I've made a file of sed(1) commands to correct common typos, e.g: s/THe/The/g s/corn/cron/g After I've typed something, I use sed to correct these frequent mistakes: sed -i .bak -f mybad.txt file.txt This will leave the original text in file.txt.bak. Using diff(1) to compare the altered file and the backup, I can check if things have been replaced that shouldn't have been, an fix them. If you are using emacs, you can use flyspell-mode[1] to do spell-checking with ispell while you are typing. Roland [1: http://www-sop.inria.fr/members/Manuel.Serrano/flyspell/flyspell.html] --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --IpbVkmxF4tDyP/Kb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkocJJcACgkQEnfvsMMhpyXXuQCfS2PNJ0n9wzePbPWnWuefuQKo feMAn3SzpmgyIvQ0iBAGH0myhupEiXIl =/M65 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IpbVkmxF4tDyP/Kb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 17:38:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B339C106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A8E8FC16 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA05B980 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:38:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QH9QLqZiz5LS for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:38:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4DDAB978 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:38:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:38:52 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> In-Reply-To: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:38:58 -0000 On Monday 25 May 2009 08:57:48 am Howard Jones wrote: > I'm was half-considering switching to ZFS, but the most positive thing I > could find written about that (as implemented on FreeBSD) is that it > "doesn't crash that much", so perhaps not. That was from a while ago > though. Wojciech hates it for some reason, but I wouldn't let that deter you. I'm using ZFS on several production machines now and it's been beautifully solid the whole time. It has several huge advantages over UFS: - Filesystem sizes are dynamic. They all grow and shrink inside the same pool, so you don't have to worry about making one too large or too small. - You can sort of think of a ZFS filesystem as a directory with a set of configurable, inheritable attributes. Set your /usr/ports to use compression, and tell /home to keep two copies of everything for safety's sake. - Snapshots aren't painful. It's been 100% reliable on every amd64 machine I've put it on (but avoid it on x86!). 7-STABLE hasn't required any tuning since February or so. UFS and gstripe/gmirror/graid* are good, but ZFS has spoiled me and I won't be going back. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 18:04:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82768106566B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B1A8FC0A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QI5lre031027 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:05:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:04:38 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090526180435.GA3980@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: turning [x]html files into .odt files. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:04:43 -0000 This may or may not be of interest to anybody who creates professional typeset-looking manuscripts. I use vi as I have for 30 years simply because my fingers know it. I can keep fingers on keyboard rather than switch back and forth to mouse. Last night I used a very short php/html file that used HTML and converted it [[[EVENTUALLY]]] to the open desktop format. Just now I wrote a one sentence file, a2oofile, using vi/nvi: "Good morning, people. It is so *great* to be back home." Then using File -> Export, saved it as a2oofile.odt. *) atom a2oofile [ creates a2oofile.html ] The a2oofile.html file is: <!your title here -->

“Good morning, people. It is so great to be back home.” *) Then switer a2oofile.html *) File -> Export [and select to save as the ODT] and you have a2oofile.odt I began writing my ascii to markup suite in 1994; it was designed to do ONE thing: to *word* into word. I've added only the left and right quotes. atom does nothing else. i have tweaked it for 15 years; never gave to it ports because I hate writing the docs. Anybody interested in handing the port, please let me know. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 18:16:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5901065673 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:16:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F1F8FC1F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:16:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4QIFg4Z026753; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:15:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 28DEFB594C; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:15:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1127CB592C; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:15:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 26 May 2009 13:15:41 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:15:41 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD & Software RAID Thread-Index: AcneKPKsWyIpFE0wQ0SMXzT6/UCZ5AABP0qA References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Kirk Strauser" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2009 18:15:41.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAB7BD90:01C9DE2D] Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:16:14 -0000 Why avoid ZFS on x86? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Strauser Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:39 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID On Monday 25 May 2009 08:57:48 am Howard Jones wrote: > I'm was half-considering switching to ZFS, but the most positive thing I > could find written about that (as implemented on FreeBSD) is that it > "doesn't crash that much", so perhaps not. That was from a while ago > though. Wojciech hates it for some reason, but I wouldn't let that deter you. I'm=20 using ZFS on several production machines now and it's been beautifully solid=20 the whole time. It has several huge advantages over UFS: - Filesystem sizes are dynamic. They all grow and shrink inside the same=20 pool, so you don't have to worry about making one too large or too small. - You can sort of think of a ZFS filesystem as a directory with a set of=20 configurable, inheritable attributes. Set your /usr/ports to use compression,=20 and tell /home to keep two copies of everything for safety's sake. - Snapshots aren't painful. It's been 100% reliable on every amd64 machine I've put it on (but avoid it on=20 x86!). 7-STABLE hasn't required any tuning since February or so. UFS and gstripe/gmirror/graid* are good, but ZFS has spoiled me and I won't be=20 going back. --=20 Kirk Strauser _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"

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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 18:28:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328CD106566B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFDE8FC12 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:28:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754EE34EEB; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:28:42 +0200 From: cpghost To: Gary Gatten Message-ID: <20090526182842.GA12457@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:28:46 -0000 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:15:41PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: > Why avoid ZFS on x86? That's because ZFS works best with huge amounts of (Kernel-)RAM, and i386 32-bit doesn't provide enough adressing space. Btw, I've tried ZFS on two FreeBSD/amd64 test machines with 8GB and 16GB of RAM, and it looks very promising. I wouldn't put it on production servers yet, but will eventually, once FreeBSD's ZFS integration matures and stabilizes. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 18:38:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703741065773 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247DC8FC21 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QIcZkG003986; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:38:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4QIcZkG003986 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243363123; bh=BUnxKLfAajDLfthIMICvB2NRXXuuVnFgkfNv/Vjeplg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2026=20May=202009=2019:38:29=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Gary=20Gatten=20|CC:=20Kirk= 20Strauser=20,=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org| Subject:=20Re:=20FreeBSD=20&=20Software=20RAID|References:=20<4A1A A3DC.5020300@network-i.net>=09<200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.co m>=20<70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.co m>|In-Reply-To:=20<70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEX V0.waddell.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multi part/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applic ation/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig98CDB2 BEF777EEA3DA17F66B"; b=fo/ZCB11dbuqdefcgkfL5UGjOCoGWNek0RGqctEAvRtIrlLwp1PapxxI8cH6rF2Wt BoH+2YjCVnfiKNVbppL+/9ujtjRwiwnDERrjK0MIIUZpEgcF+E6INtIAlJj5t/7CWE QfPTRd2/XZa189Dh5dneykLE9L8OpUs3OkgbiIzY= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:38:29 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Gatten References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig98CDB2BEF777EEA3DA17F66B" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:38:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig98CDB2BEF777EEA3DA17F66B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary Gatten wrote: > Why avoid ZFS on x86? Because in order to deal most effectively with disk arrays of 100s or 100= 0s of GB as are typical nowadays, ZFS requires more than the 4GB of addressa= ble RAM[*] that the i386 arch can provide. You can make ZFS work on i386, but it requires very careful tuning and is= not going to work brilliantly well for particularly large or high-throughput filesystems. Cheers, Matthew [*] Technically, it requires more than the typical 2GB of kernel memory t= hat is the default on i386. KVM under 64bit architectures can be *much* bigg= er than that. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig98CDB2BEF777EEA3DA17F66B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkocNysACgkQ8Mjk52CukIywRACeNCvCR8ezAtNwLso9CYETPN9J EpsAn1X6lqXiY2UyhrKMURmpd6GrKYI4 =fpcK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig98CDB2BEF777EEA3DA17F66B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 18:45:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019A210656DE for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:45:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD578FC08 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:45:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4QIiqh0005774; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:45:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 756E8B594E; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:44:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C49EB593F; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:44:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 26 May 2009 13:44:51 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:44:51 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED94@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD & Software RAID Thread-Index: AcneMX6gTNj1/tbYSNOlgDhbFbdzFgAAEDFg References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Matthew Seaman" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2009 18:44:51.0893 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DDA9650:01C9DE32] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:45:29 -0000 What about with PAE and/or other extension schemes? If it's just memory requirements, can I assume if I don't have a $hit load of storage and billions of files it will work "ok" with 4GB of RAM? I guess I'm just making sure there isn't some bug that only exists on the i386 architecture? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Seaman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:38 PM To: Gary Gatten Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID Gary Gatten wrote: > Why avoid ZFS on x86? Because in order to deal most effectively with disk arrays of 100s or 1000s of GB as are typical nowadays, ZFS requires more than the 4GB of addressable RAM[*] that the i386 arch can provide. You can make ZFS work on i386, but it requires very careful tuning and is not going to work brilliantly well for particularly large or high-throughput filesystems. Cheers, Matthew [*] Technically, it requires more than the typical 2GB of kernel memory that is the default on i386. KVM under 64bit architectures can be *much* bigger than that. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 18:55:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9831065676 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryana@darth-vader.org) Received: from jedi.darth-vader.org (jedi.darth-vader.org [63.228.3.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDF38FC1B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryana@darth-vader.org) Received: from jedi.darth-vader.org (localhost.darth-vader.org [127.0.0.1]) by jedi.darth-vader.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082641C084B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: by jedi.darth-vader.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E07DE1C0845; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:05 -0500 From: Bryan Albright To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090526183805.GA93248@darth-vader.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: Subject: Logcheck-1.2.54_3 build error? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:55:53 -0000 Hi! I'm trying to build the logcheck port on my FreeBSD 7.2 system. # uname -prs FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE amd64 Here's the error I get: # cd /usr/ports/security/logcheck/ # make => logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. => Attempting to fetch from http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/debian/pool/main/l/logcheck/. logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz 100% of 137 kB 82 kBps ===> Extracting for logcheck-1.2.54_3 => MD5 Checksum OK for logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz. => SHA256 Checksum OK for logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz. ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found ===> Patching for logcheck-1.2.54_3 ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for logcheck-1.2.54_3 ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on executable: docbook2man - found ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found ===> Configuring for logcheck-1.2.54_3 ===> Building for logcheck-1.2.54_3 *** Error code 255 Stop in /usr/ports/security/logcheck. and that's all I get. I've tried to mail the port maintainer(glarkin@FreeBSD.org), and the latest person that built the Makefile (dan@freebsddiary.org) but neither address allowed my message through. I've re-built (make deinstall && make reinstall) the BUILD_DEPENDS(/usr/ports/texproc/docbook2man) and RUN_DEPENDS(/usr/ports/mail/procmail, /usr/ports/shells/bash) but I still get the same error. What more do I need to provide to help troubleshoot this error to allow logcheck to install? Thanks! Bryan -- Bryan Albright If you receive something that says, "Send this to everyone you know," PLEASE pretend you DON'T know me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:00:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F15E106567D for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16F88FC23 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C07F644B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:00:27 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Svnd7YgObnRM for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:00:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F2D666442 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:00:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:00:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED94@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED94@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905261400.22053.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:00:28 -0000 On Tuesday 26 May 2009 01:44:51 pm Gary Gatten wrote: > What about with PAE and/or other extension schemes? > > If it's just memory requirements, can I assume if I don't have a $hit > load of storage and billions of files it will work "ok" with 4GB of RAM? > I guess I'm just making sure there isn't some bug that only exists on > the i386 architecture? My understanding is that it's much more than "just" the memory addressing. ZFS is thoroughly 64-bit and uses 64-bit math pervasively. That means you have to emulate all those operations with 2 32-bit values, and on the register-starved x86 platform you end up with absolutely horrible performance. Furthermore, it's just not that well tested. Sun designed ZFS for 64-bit systems and I think 32-bit support was pretty much an afterthought. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:11:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1931065674 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9EA8FC1C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7981016C02E3; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:11:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QJAxx2001479; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:10:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:10:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090526211059.ea66fc29.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> <20090526145429.d1d0bb2d.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FBSD UG , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server / YouTube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:11:08 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 18:09:42 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > While downloading, you're usually not watching (while it's > > still possible to watch inclomplete files with mplayer). > > if you type URL containing flash movie in browser (with flash enabled of > course ;) it will start playing it before downloading all. At first, yes, content goes to the player directly (like over a | pipe), but it can happen that content has to be cached. > > And for complete correctness, the video IS stored on the > > harddrive "in parts" (according to the hard drive based > > caching of the stream). > > are you sure on harddrive not memory only? i assume you talk about youtube > player. Okay yes, maybe memory, but it isn't guaranteed that streamed content does get stored in main memory only. So it can happen that content gets stored in the swap partition or in a local swap file in the main file system (as a file or part of a file). Temporarily, of course, and splitted. You know what I mean. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:15:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7B81065670 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164048FC1E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QJFAYx047374; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:15:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QJFAOm047371; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:15:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:15:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090526211059.ea66fc29.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <421634BF-CE80-45E6-AFC5-F80652A82F80@rgbaz.eu> <20090526145429.d1d0bb2d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090526211059.ea66fc29.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FBSD UG , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Streaming server / YouTube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:15:24 -0000 > content does get stored in main memory only. So it can happen > that content gets stored in the swap partition or in a local > swap file in the main file system (as a file or part of a file). > Temporarily, of course, and splitted. > > You know what I mean. :-) of course, i meant virtual memory saying memory :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:17:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C025A1065710 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545948FC1C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QJH4R2047402; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:17:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QJH47n047399; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:17:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:17:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:17:15 -0000 > Wojciech hates it for some reason, but I wouldn't let that deter you. I'm same == incredibly low performance. of course having overmuscled CPU not much used for anything else - it may not be a problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:17:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02E91065738 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 792FB8FC17 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4QJGhbd004847; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:16:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DF0BB5998; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:16:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD13CB599A; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:16:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 26 May 2009 14:16:34 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED96@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <200905261400.22053.kirk@strauser.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD & Software RAID Thread-Index: AcneNGNWrn0EOKNpRw+77rLvCLaOMQAAfB+g References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net><4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED94@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <200905261400.22053.kirk@strauser.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Kirk Strauser" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2009 19:16:34.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BEE60F0:01C9DE36] Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:17:20 -0000 10-4, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Strauser Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:00 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID On Tuesday 26 May 2009 01:44:51 pm Gary Gatten wrote: > What about with PAE and/or other extension schemes? > > If it's just memory requirements, can I assume if I don't have a $hit > load of storage and billions of files it will work "ok" with 4GB of RAM? > I guess I'm just making sure there isn't some bug that only exists on > the i386 architecture? My understanding is that it's much more than "just" the memory addressing.=20=20 ZFS is thoroughly 64-bit and uses 64-bit math pervasively. That means you=20 have to emulate all those operations with 2 32-bit values, and on the=20 register-starved x86 platform you end up with absolutely horrible performance.=20=20 Furthermore, it's just not that well tested. Sun designed ZFS for 64-bit=20 systems and I think 32-bit support was pretty much an afterthought. --=20 Kirk Strauser _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:19:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37A7106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230A38FC3F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:19:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QJJA9L047421; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:19:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QJJAna047418; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:19:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:19:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:19:19 -0000 > - Filesystem sizes are dynamic. They all grow and shrink inside the > same > pool, so you don't have to worry about making one too large or too > small. there are actually almost no filesystems, just one filesystem with many "upper descriptors" and separate per filesystem quota. just to make happy those who like to have "separate" filesystem for many things. i always make one filesystem for /, unless it's multiple disks config and i do like some data to be physically on different drive.for example highly loaded squid cache. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:21:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550641065719 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DA58FC08 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:21:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QJL2Ih047441; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:21:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QJL2R9047438; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:21:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:21:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:21:09 -0000 > You can make ZFS work on i386, but it requires very careful tuning and is not > going to work brilliantly well for particularly large or high-throughput > filesystems. you mean "high transfer" like reading/writing huge files. anyway not faster than properly configured UFS+maybe gstripe/gmirror. for small files it's only fast when they will fit in cache, same with UFS From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:26:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5676A106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:26:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBBF8FC18 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QJQabJ047466; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:26:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QJQaNO047463; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:26:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:26:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED96@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net><4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED94@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <200905261400.22053.kirk@strauser.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED96@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:26:47 -0000 > ZFS is thoroughly 64-bit and uses 64-bit math pervasively. That means > you > have to emulate all those operations with 2 32-bit values, and on the > register-starved x86 platform you end up with absolutely horrible > performance. no this difference isn't that great. it doesn't use much less CPU on the same processor using i386 and amd64 kernels - i checked it. no precise measurements but there are no more than 20% performance difference - comparable to most programs used in i386 and amd64 mode. so no "horrible performance" on i386, or if you prefer - always horrible performance no matter what CPU mode. while x86 architecture doesn't have much registers EAX,EBX,ECX,EDX,ESI,EDI,EBP,ESP 8 total (+EIP) it doesn't affect programs that much, as all modern x86 processors perform memory-operand instructions single cycle (or more than one of them). anyway extra 8 registers and PC-relative addresses are very useful. this roughly 20% performance difference is because of this. if you mean gain on 64-bit registers when calculating block checksums in ZFS - it's for sure memory-bandwidth and latency limited, not CPU power. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:35:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412F71065689 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035398FC0C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F8616C0016 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:35:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QJZcow001576 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:35:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:35:38 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:35:45 -0000 Dear list, I'm searching for a FreeBSD based means to align text in a circle, adjusted like in a sigulum. I've tried to find an option in OpenOffice, but failed. Can anyone name me a program that can be used to do so? It can even be LaTeX, or a painting program that lets me construct a sigulum, like this: http://www-e.uni-magdeburg.de/ruge/verschiedenes/medien-als-manipulatoren/otto.gif Text at the top should be adjustable with its bottom towards the inner of the circle, text at the circle's bottom hould be adjustable with the bottom to the outer perimeter of the circle so both text is "standing up". A pictural figure should be placable in the inner of the circle. Colours should be applyable. Final output can be everything: Image formats like PNG or JPG, PDF files, Postscript. Suggestions, anyone? =^_^= Thank you! -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:44:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19DF1065670 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:44:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D45F8FC0C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:44:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QJiIao047571; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:44:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QJiI6B047568; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:44:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:44:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:44:40 -0000 > Can anyone name me a program that can be used to do so? > It can even be LaTeX, or a painting program that lets for sure it's possible with LaTeX, most probably there is ready module already :) if not - make a simple program that will generate command sequence for latex for each letter with placement and rotation. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 19:48:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDC2106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF3F8FC12 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:48:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4162427bwz.43 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:48:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KeaKeLiyE/j0bErHk3hwEpaoBdSBirfn1VM2LAP4BFg=; b=TJkOmZPIQMWCU2te/QJs1t1Cb2S9wWUpA4/FlV6HaFY4pt1de5dI4NIcgQOXdYY9xZ BURftljI+U32nCytsyhAhZPw3/Xp0Kl8jV1OLamkfLgp5h3z7Sr8CWAka3Io/OgokrTm aW/d/JB+fNknCF5AXpurFM5vHO4VMkLuM392A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=r6d0k6Y10xdqDwKge2i7eba+/VWY/Ap7OI3Jt0CLgNQgJahuENDDEkK75mE2jpOicH 6fXPBQY3il6Pc1cMJXpFTcAv+9PzUdAl1tpbblmHpW0Z5g///bUGkcn3U9G+WFuLusXY BRAtqYeprs+A475ROjnFsa20+nRs2QOOgBSdM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.114.135 with SMTP id e7mr4764264faq.89.1243367301475; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:48:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:48:25 -0000 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Polytropon wrote: > Dear list, > > I'm searching for a FreeBSD based means to align text in > a circle, adjusted like in a sigulum. > > I've tried to find an option in OpenOffice, but failed. > Can anyone name me a program that can be used to do so? > It can even be LaTeX, or a painting program that lets > me construct a sigulum, like this: > > > http://www-e.uni-magdeburg.de/ruge/verschiedenes/medien-als-manipulatoren/otto.gif > > Text at the top should be adjustable with its bottom > towards the inner of the circle, text at the circle's > bottom hould be adjustable with the bottom to the outer > perimeter of the circle so both text is "standing up". > > A pictural figure should be placable in the inner of > the circle. Colours should be applyable. > > Final output can be everything: Image formats like > PNG or JPG, PDF files, Postscript. > > Suggestions, anyone? =^_^= > > Thank you! > > -- > Polytropon > >From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > Check out the Gimp tutorial regarding "text to path": http://gimp-tutorials.net/gimp-text-to-path-tutorial Does this meet your needs? Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 20:08:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34311106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:08:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33468FC08 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2282846yxb.13 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:08:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=50AZaRhYJJN8FQzL8Vw2fkf0kn8GTvBXvDXoGBOuqqU=; b=nuc51f3mVIr1lKNczEe+AFfgRCa37d1d33o70li1+w453EU0MfwGcuvZQZ6eCbLD4D 10F1SOVXNGxd7cB9earFpjCGjrNrf5I9ImWBzgoks7rlrJwjpLcWl0uTNbm8ApuIf4f8 Nny4QVBUq396ZXYC4evNGIvVGewPRtXyn+ZE8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=X037l1Lxt3tU0ieTyKyGt+pNZ3WGgGI4Ewnsajhrc5RRGKNaQsbPnr8o8nf7L1SGKC 4JIEuivz/g3/cOhpkryrXqnBdSovX0OtYNCAladhtCLiVvkJunpf5TlrKLbGyjnmG6pe v0dE9QNSjkx8mNMWbTSEsu0l6sTeDnehJAjl8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.107.17 with SMTP id f17mr15442054anc.82.1243368534056; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:08:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:08:53 -0300 Message-ID: <19e9a5dc0905261308p7ff5950fge7e21819df678f00@mail.gmail.com> From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:08:57 -0000 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Polytropon wrote: > Dear list, > > I'm searching for a FreeBSD based means to align text in > a circle, adjusted like in a sigulum. > > I've tried to find an option in OpenOffice, but failed. > Can anyone name me a program that can be used to do so? > It can even be LaTeX, or a painting program that lets > me construct a sigulum, like this: > > > http://www-e.uni-magdeburg.de/ruge/verschiedenes/medien-als-manipulatoren/otto.gif > > Text at the top should be adjustable with its bottom > towards the inner of the circle, text at the circle's > bottom hould be adjustable with the bottom to the outer > perimeter of the circle so both text is "standing up". > > A pictural figure should be placable in the inner of > the circle. Colours should be applyable. > > Final output can be everything: Image formats like > PNG or JPG, PDF files, Postscript. > > Suggestions, anyone? =^_^= > > > Hi Polytropon! I'm really glad to be able to have a solid answer to one of your questions, I mean .. I've read so many solid answers coming from you, beign able to answer one of your questions makes me feel good. The tool I use to do that is Inkscape, and here you'll find a video tutorial on how to do exactly what you are asking for (and a lot of video tutorials to do whatever you may want to do with Inkscape =) ): http://screencasters.heathenx.org/episode-014/ Hope I helped Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 20:26:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A1F106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AAF8FC0C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:26:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7433D4DB; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:26:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QKQguj001916; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:26:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:26:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Andrew Gould Message-Id: <20090526222642.4c074774.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:26:52 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 14:48:21 -0500, Andrew Gould wrote: > Check out the Gimp tutorial regarding "text to path": > > http://gimp-tutorials.net/gimp-text-to-path-tutorial > > Does this meet your needs? Yes, I think so. Thanks! I just have to figure out how to draw circles 'n stuff. I've never used The Gimp for drawing before, but it seems to be okay for this task. Seems that it's not wrong to learn a bit Gimp. By the way, I had a look at XFig - anyone knows this? Looks and feels very professional, at least I found things quicker than in Gimp. But XFig doesn't seem to be able to align Text on a circle. And Wojciech, because me fail math, doing it in LaTeX seems to be too complicated right now. What I have is an image of what will be in the center of the circle (needs to be clipped against the circle perimeter, and maybe scaled). I've used some google and found that there's a \cicle macro that can draw circles d, position with put (x, y), but alignment of text to the circle and rotating it seems to be a job - as you suggested - for pre-calculated values, like doing a put(position, rotate(character, degree)). Do [ Me continue Gimp() until fail; redo in \LaTeX{} then ]; until 1400 tomorrow. :-) // -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 20:31:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7A3106564A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:31:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986868FC23 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:31:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1M93JA-0004ar-Lp; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:31:41 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D9C2F0BEDA; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A1C51A5.2020600@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:31:33 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Albright References: <20090526183805.GA93248@darth-vader.org> In-Reply-To: <20090526183805.GA93248@darth-vader.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logcheck-1.2.54_3 build error? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:31:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bryan Albright wrote: > Hi! > > I'm trying to build the logcheck port on my FreeBSD 7.2 system. > # uname -prs > FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE amd64 > > Here's the error I get: > # cd /usr/ports/security/logcheck/ > # make > => logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. > => Attempting to fetch from http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/debian/pool/main/l/logcheck/. > logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz 100% of 137 kB 82 kBps > ===> Extracting for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > => MD5 Checksum OK for logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz. > => SHA256 Checksum OK for logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz. > ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found > ===> Patching for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found > ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on executable: docbook2man - found > ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found > ===> Configuring for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > ===> Building for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > *** Error code 255 > > Stop in /usr/ports/security/logcheck. > > and that's all I get. > > I've tried to mail the port maintainer(glarkin@FreeBSD.org), and the latest person that > built the Makefile (dan@freebsddiary.org) but neither address allowed my message through. > > I've re-built (make deinstall && make reinstall) the > BUILD_DEPENDS(/usr/ports/texproc/docbook2man) and RUN_DEPENDS(/usr/ports/mail/procmail, > /usr/ports/shells/bash) but I still get the same error. > > What more do I need to provide to help troubleshoot this error to allow logcheck to > install? > > Thanks! > > Bryan > Hi Bryan, I got your direct message a little while ago - did it also bounce back to you? Coincidentally, I have been working on this problem today. Do you have the textproc/docbook-to-man port installed on your machine? I recently changed security/logcheck to use textproc/docbook2X to convert its SGML man page source into a man page, since its a much lighter-weight port than docbook-to-man. However, if docbook-to-man is already installed, it should be used instead of docbook2X. I didn't take that into account initially. I just updated the port, so please refresh your tree and try reinstalling. Let me know how that works for you. Regards, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKHFGl0sRouByUApARAoseAJ0bmz9WPEgrclwuu2Me8jXdYsRvgwCgjn8g BBQLCVgLjXdsnT6crDOX2d4= =1Mdw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 20:35:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080CE10656C8 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.88]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B7828FC23 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:35:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: (qmail 9686 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 20:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.88) with ESMTP; 26 May 2009 20:33:57 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How to detect when gmirror sync is complete? Thread-Index: AcneQUnP09pR0/FnTLmq4d2VI60s2g== From: "Peter Steele" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: How to detect when gmirror sync is complete? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:35:14 -0000 I know I could have a script that continually checks "gmirror status" to detect when a gmirror synchronization has completed, but is there a more event-driven approach? Something that could be used to trigger and event like devd does for drive pulls/inserts would be nice. Is this possible? =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 20:37:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD25106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout03-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout03-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5352A8FC17 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: (qmail 30802 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 20:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout03-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.171) with ESMTP; 26 May 2009 20:37:45 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:37:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Is this a gmirror bug? Thread-Index: AcneQdLMXCGjXbMFRN++e8mgZKeKgQ== From: "Peter Steele" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:37:46 -0000 I've seen this kind of thing appear in my df output: =20 # df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mirror/gm0a 5077038 1685050 2985826 36% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /proc /dev/mirror/gm0d 4058062 -377792 4111210 -10% /tmp /dev/mirror/gm0e 15231278 -113942 14126718 -1% /var /dev/ad10s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v3 /dev/ad8s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v2 /dev/ad6s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v1 /dev/ad4s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v0 =20 It's showing that two partitions in my gm0 partition are below 0% capacity. This is clearly wrong, but what does it mean? =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 20:38:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7E510656F2 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:38:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from ti-edu.ch (posta.ti-edu.ch [195.176.176.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502A08FC17 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [193.5.152.27] (HELO [127.0.0.1]) by ti-edu.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 32733657; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:38:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1C533A.3090607@supsi.ch> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:38:18 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> <4A1C1F7C.5010500@supsi.ch> <4A1C22FE.2090106@supsi.ch> In-Reply-To: <4A1C22FE.2090106@supsi.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:38:23 -0000 Thank you Wojciech and Tim. Could not yet find the solution, but at least I got sendmail back delivering mail by reinstalling security/cyrus-sasl2 Don't know why nor how, but obviously there is some configuration left around that makes sendmail try to use some of sasl.. When I find the solution, I'll post it here. Best regards. Robi Roberto Nunnari ha scritto: > Wojciech Puchar ha scritto: >>> here it is: >>> >>> divert(0)dnl >>> VERSIONID(`$FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.submit.mc,v 1.1 >>> 2003/10/19 00:03:13 gshapiro Exp $') >>> define(`confCF_VERSION', `Submit')dnl >>> define(`__OSTYPE__',`')dnl dirty hack to keep proto.m4 from complaining >>> define(`_USE_DECNET_SYNTAX_', `1')dnl support DECnet >>> define(`confTIME_ZONE', `USE_TZ')dnl >>> define(`confDONT_INIT_GROUPS', `True')dnl >>> define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBrokenAAAA')dnl >>> dnl >>> dnl If you use IPv6 only, change [127.0.0.1] to [IPv6:::1] >>> FEATURE(`msp', `[127.0.0.1]')dnl >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 >> this line i wanted to check if it listens. looks fine, while your >> messages suggested that it's not. >> >> so no more idea, you talked about that you upgraded things, maybe rm >> *.cf;make;make install;/etc/rc.d/sendmail restart > > I did that.. but it doesn't help.. I also recompiled again sendmail from > source.. but didn't help neighter.. > >> ? >> >> but actually i don't have more ideas. > > I also don't know what else to look for.. any more hints anybody? > > Robi > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 20:50:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD321065673 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:50:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0478FC1E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE743D26D; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:49:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QKnnKV001992; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:49:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:49:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gonzalo Nemmi Message-Id: <20090526224949.3637bd55.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <19e9a5dc0905261308p7ff5950fge7e21819df678f00@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> <19e9a5dc0905261308p7ff5950fge7e21819df678f00@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:50:01 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 17:08:53 -0300, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > The tool I use to do that is Inkscape, and here you'll find a video tutorial > on how to do exactly what you are asking for (and a lot of video tutorials > to do whatever you may want to do with Inkscape =) ): > http://screencasters.heathenx.org/episode-014/ Sadly, I can't see it because I have no "Flash", and youtube-dl, mplayer and swfplayer cannot handle this. :-( (Because "Flash" is mostly used to pollute the web, nag the users and slow down the system, I decided to keep my system free of it.) Anyway, I had already installed Inkscape and just had a look into it. I've been advised that it's a powerful tool, still relatively easy to master, and I've been told that I should use it to postprocess my manga drawings. If you don't mind, can you describe me in a few steps what to do? -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 21:06:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6360106566B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580828FC15 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so2300973ywe.13 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:06:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=eyIRk814zWbbKK68IfntEu83sbzAxA7f/fhPomoPcMY=; b=Swk3J+35I/uy8vb5ymcmi5fkxzYNGiC0bZKbrJlDlvDNeKKtQIrLQkewhiv34fAuIL qkT0DRmBwnE6pJrAiVMPDuCqR8ipwiVo4MaK74WiTBBvQE7iIRCF5UwuQKMYy5AhDHyr wNG1r+3WFJvuHDWLQ06KWkH3pGzSLnoZsWevs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=whubFA4aX+R4JCJKTln6veelhutocrZ1IawJY9krjA7sOU3T2cWGYne7QmfdobJsPQ nbu/F6QoJL597Ew0OQ4EwJy4UVS0eqQdDqfZOCxkB+ruKADVaE/b61HaPE6AZZ+8K3ly ipgMqaEeKfk/1sB71Tqmtl+FAlz2duT2IKMm4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr3619209agb.63.1243372004535; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:06:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090526224949.3637bd55.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> <19e9a5dc0905261308p7ff5950fge7e21819df678f00@mail.gmail.com> <20090526224949.3637bd55.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:06:44 -0300 Message-ID: <19e9a5dc0905261406s2d3d719ci44aa28f68a24d705@mail.gmail.com> From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:06:46 -0000 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 26 May 2009 17:08:53 -0300, Gonzalo Nemmi > wrote: > > The tool I use to do that is Inkscape, and here you'll find a video > tutorial > > on how to do exactly what you are asking for (and a lot of video > tutorials > > to do whatever you may want to do with Inkscape =) ): > > http://screencasters.heathenx.org/episode-014/ > > Sadly, I can't see it because I have no "Flash", and youtube-dl, > mplayer and swfplayer cannot handle this. :-( (Because "Flash" is > mostly used to pollute the web, nag the users and slow down the > system, I decided to keep my system free of it.) > > Anyway, I had already installed Inkscape and just had a look into > it. I've been advised that it's a powerful tool, still relatively > easy to master, and I've been told that I should use it to > postprocess my manga drawings. > > If you don't mind, can you describe me in a few steps what to do? > I can do better than that ...: http://screencasters.heathenx.org/podpress_trac/web/20/0/ep014.avi BTW: as can be found in http://screencasters.heathenx.org/about/ "Our screencast videos are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. This means we encourage you to share and/or remix the work as long as you give us credit for the original work, use it for non-commercial purposes, and attach a similar license to any remixed or altered work you may derive from it. Pretty simple." So, I can safely point you to: http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents/2131627/inkscape-screencast-by-heathen-x Sorry I didn't post it before. Hope that helps =D Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 21:13:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCF0106566C; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:13:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail36.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail36.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28958FC19; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c122-106-216-167.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.216.167]) by mail36.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4QLD1dX028428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 07:13:02 +1000 X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QLD0Ij016440; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:13:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4QLD0IX016439; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:13:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:13:00 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Gabor Kovesdan Message-ID: <20090526211300.GA13700@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <4A194CB7.4080605@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AqsLC8rIMeq19msA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A194CB7.4080605@FreeBSD.org> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:13:06 -0000 --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-May-24 15:33:43 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: >Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that=20 >model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly everything=20 >works with it. I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/ resume works out of the box. With WiFi and camera turned off, I can get over 3 hrs on the std battery doing things like locally reading mail. I have a USB 3G dongle and it's quite power-hungry (1/4 to 1/3 of total power consumption). --=20 Peter Jeremy --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkocW1wACgkQ/opHv/APuIfnxgCeN9CahtPmq07J5PVONImQBm55 MAQAn2LoL++owKkCsvTUFWRJ5ZEXlbhT =0YxT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 21:24:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842291065674 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418398FC19 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1923D373; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:24:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QLNtkN002109; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:23:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:23:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gonzalo Nemmi Message-Id: <20090526232355.8014e227.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <19e9a5dc0905261406s2d3d719ci44aa28f68a24d705@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> <19e9a5dc0905261308p7ff5950fge7e21819df678f00@mail.gmail.com> <20090526224949.3637bd55.freebsd@edvax.de> <19e9a5dc0905261406s2d3d719ci44aa28f68a24d705@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:24:03 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 18:06:44 -0300, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > If you don't mind, can you describe me in a few steps what to do? > > I can do better than that ...: > http://screencasters.heathenx.org/podpress_trac/web/20/0/ep014.avi Just wgot it. :-) //* "wgot" is the past tense of "wget", indicating a $? of 0. :-) > So, I can safely point you to: > http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents/2131627/inkscape-screencast-by-heathen-x This would force me to install a torrent client. :-) > Sorry I didn't post it before. Don't mind, thank you! > Hope that helps =D I'm very sure it does. Thanks again! That Inkscape really seems to be a very cool program. Wished I had played around with it earlier, not at night time (it's almost midnight here in Germany). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 21:32:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AA91065672 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB208FC0A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QLWbFs048112; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:32:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QLWZR8048109; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:32:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:32:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090526232355.8014e227.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> <19e9a5dc0905261308p7ff5950fge7e21819df678f00@mail.gmail.com> <20090526224949.3637bd55.freebsd@edvax.de> <19e9a5dc0905261406s2d3d719ci44aa28f68a24d705@mail.gmail.com> <20090526232355.8014e227.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gonzalo Nemmi , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:53 -0000 >> http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents/2131627/inkscape-screencast-by-heathen-x > > This would force me to install a torrent client. :-) /usr/ports/net-p2p/rtorrent :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 21:34:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2621065677 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:34:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AE48FC14 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:34:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4QLYMFY048125; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:34:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4QLYM8g048122; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:34:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:34:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Steele In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:34:33 -0000 > I've seen this kind of thing appear in my df output: > linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > > /dev/mirror/gm0d 4058062 -377792 4111210 -10% /tmp > > /dev/mirror/gm0e 15231278 -113942 14126718 -1% /var > > /dev/ad10s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v3 > > /dev/ad8s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v2 > > /dev/ad6s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v1 > > /dev/ad4s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v0 > > > > It's showing that two partitions in my gm0 partition are below 0% > capacity. This is clearly wrong, but what does it mean? > it has nothing to do with gmirror - no matter if it's virtual disk (gm0 that case) or physical, partition or not, it's just block device to UFS. definitely it is some problem but with UFS here. unmount this filesystems and do fsck_ffs -y on them From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 22:14:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE051065672 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryana@darth-vader.org) Received: from jedi.darth-vader.org (jedi.darth-vader.org [63.228.3.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233D28FC24 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryana@darth-vader.org) Received: from jedi.darth-vader.org (localhost.darth-vader.org [127.0.0.1]) by jedi.darth-vader.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B001C084B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:14:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: by jedi.darth-vader.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0ADD41C0845; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:14:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:14:11 -0500 From: Bryan Albright To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090526221411.GA6272@darth-vader.org> References: <20090526183805.GA93248@darth-vader.org> <4A1C51A5.2020600@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A1C51A5.2020600@FreeBSD.org> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: Subject: Re: Logcheck-1.2.54_3 build error? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:14:12 -0000 On 05/26/09 at 04:31PM, Greg Larkin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bryan Albright wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I'm trying to build the logcheck port on my FreeBSD 7.2 system. > > # uname -prs > > FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE amd64 > > > > Here's the error I get: > > # cd /usr/ports/security/logcheck/ > > # make > > => logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. > > => Attempting to fetch from http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/debian/pool/main/l/logcheck/. > > logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz 100% of 137 kB 82 kBps > > ===> Extracting for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > > => MD5 Checksum OK for logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz. > > => SHA256 Checksum OK for logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz. > > ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found > > ===> Patching for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > > ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found > > ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > > ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on executable: docbook2man - found > > ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found > > ===> Configuring for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > > ===> Building for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > > *** Error code 255 > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/security/logcheck. > > > > and that's all I get. > > > > I've tried to mail the port maintainer(glarkin@FreeBSD.org), and the latest person that > > built the Makefile (dan@freebsddiary.org) but neither address allowed my message through. > > > > I've re-built (make deinstall && make reinstall) the > > BUILD_DEPENDS(/usr/ports/texproc/docbook2man) and RUN_DEPENDS(/usr/ports/mail/procmail, > > /usr/ports/shells/bash) but I still get the same error. > > > > What more do I need to provide to help troubleshoot this error to allow logcheck to > > install? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bryan > > > > Hi Bryan, > > I got your direct message a little while ago - did it also bounce back > to you? Coincidentally, I have been working on this problem today. Greg -- First off, let me say thank you for maintaining this port and being so quick to respond to requests. I did not receive a bounce. I checked my mailq and saw that after 10 minutes that there was a delay, so I went this route. > Do you have the textproc/docbook-to-man port installed on your machine? Nope. Just docbook2X-0.8.8_2. > I recently changed security/logcheck to use textproc/docbook2X to > convert its SGML man page source into a man page, since its a much > lighter-weight port than docbook-to-man. > > However, if docbook-to-man is already installed, it should be used > instead of docbook2X. I didn't take that into account initially. > > I just updated the port, so please refresh your tree and try > reinstalling. Let me know how that works for you. I just finished updating my ports tree, both from cvsup1.us.freebsd.org and from cvsup15.us.freebsd.org (the fastest from a fastest_cvsup output), but the security/logcheck port didn't update. How long should I wait to see in in the ports tree, or is there a non-normal location to pull the ports from? Thanks! Bryan -- Bryan Albright If you receive something that says, "Send this to everyone you know," PLEASE pretend you DON'T know me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 23:05:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DF9106567D for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:05:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: from hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (hal.Rescomp.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.70.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E75D8FC21 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: by hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (Postfix, from userid 1225) id CC7DC3C0655; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:05:22 -0700 From: Chris Cowart To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Wojciech Puchar , Peter Steele , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="boAH8PqvUi1v1f55" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: RSSP-IT, UC Berkeley User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Steele , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:05:25 -0000 --boAH8PqvUi1v1f55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I've seen this kind of thing appear in my df output: > > linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > > > > /dev/mirror/gm0d 4058062 -377792 4111210 -10% /tmp > > > > /dev/mirror/gm0e 15231278 -113942 14126718 -1% /var > > > > /dev/ad10s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v3 > > > > /dev/ad8s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v2 > > > > /dev/ad6s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v1 > > > > /dev/ad4s3e 121487580 4 111768570 0% /v0 > > > > > > > > It's showing that two partitions in my gm0 partition are below 0% > > capacity. This is clearly wrong, but what does it mean? > > > it has nothing to do with gmirror - no matter if it's virtual disk (gm0= =20 > that case) or physical, partition or not, it's just block device to UFS. >=20 > definitely it is some problem but with UFS here. >=20 > unmount this filesystems and do fsck_ffs -y on them Nothing is wrong. 10% of the disk space is reserved for the superuser. The 10% free mark is what shows as 0% in df. If you're negative, it means you've tapped into the super-user reserve. This is not good, because it means you've lost a lot of the FS-level optimizations from UFS. --=20 Chris Cowart Network Technical Lead Network & Infrastructure Services, RSSP-IT UC Berkeley --boAH8PqvUi1v1f55 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAwAGBQJKHHWyAAoJEIGh6j3cHUNPz24P+wWDOm+PQ1QLOh0MlAAuZ6Vo /PCj3idJV6enSWPk7+MGjW/0cFjARqmPnkvhzsZMeoznIwmLzjN1AnauhXMLBTwB zSblkGzvGgCIPHyGieW2Kegz9VU9hiX2BFIEG/3YMMPBhZ16ePGzuO12+VVdT4TA HM/mjPSocO8x6tV/3xNAr2iWnDcaJk7g6y3v8bO+P08O4Xu/YWapWFPON7iL8cLM fG3HBiyrm3/9RlYubD/hzoFVG7094PNl4xFkxKQsjK1+a1Dx9NVqV2DKxRK5EDRD H0RMcXdr/IO1UbXSD0fBKY/83io/ac+1K+9X0D+nk5o3vGx6pa3okjwtQ9SRdsqy F/c2g1OIB1uq1E/+Hq0eApvrLogSIRIrtfkibZkmEfrykGLxqgIsXShNg2X7Ei43 8yHx8pP47XZ0+RhHIgPpsaLBKQhOS18qlAMvwB2kgEoNq4kctgmXB5cOK8fZDfL7 y8/ALqmplfBUTmJxYiX2Rw5t70SI4wPBc9RcjXFcxCdDVaSqbdf2QIN5P/ANrnv0 GxusO3Ew2qfs8csS19XKWz4stCHykOTJlFAXriRGVciyiroWvrnsFmgJqv2uxO04 GUm+zk0l1dTM+ULe0Del2SYUxogVnyQE8qVVqBWGrNsEp161ZLMDFR6Cmldr6hrw olJ9gVWGCE4q6+wqAd/J =Lw06 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --boAH8PqvUi1v1f55-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 23:13:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50E6106567F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:13:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C498FC08 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:13:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2453CFD4; Wed, 27 May 2009 01:13:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4QND2YO004040; Wed, 27 May 2009 01:13:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:13:02 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chris Cowart Message-Id: <20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:13:10 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:05:22 -0700, Chris Cowart wrote: > 10% of the disk space is reserved for the superuser. The 10% free > mark is what shows as 0% in df. If you're negative, it means you've > tapped into the super-user reserve. This is not good, because it means > you've lost a lot of the FS-level optimizations from UFS. Wouldn't it look like Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mirror/gm0d 4058062 -377792 4111210 110% /tmp /dev/mirror/gm0e 15231278 -113942 14126718 101% /var then? I always assumed that a disk occupation > 100% would go into this reserved area, which would turn the Capacity field to be more than 100%, and not less than 0%? This is the case when I have more data on a UFS partition than it "is allowed to"... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 26 23:41:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274DC106566C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f164.google.com (mail-ew0-f164.google.com [209.85.219.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F018FC18 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so701557ewy.43 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:41:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VlD8sODwWSnm3NbyXp5QNNVzxLxNGI2TEnWMSRLUT4g=; b=lcJ4HLBJUN1mjx4lA4gl0X/p9l0RbFXVXCQAqH7wHKS5tPBtShKmiE44of/cwUNJNA XzTaH6XUDOKnp4UEVubexY+ZmlFbQh3RUxjHsIJT938dPc587xaDU43gc+nrGARBZlf+ MWZmvlJmhXnyfQ0YIo31n2juPwZJaCW2EZsQ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wmu7w+U8IvYMFvRoHwuLcdbXHOFbzJwFSH6i76XrQbTBSxiY1YaXCqHjgmswrDSFp+ WwPugzqr6FuoxiKHfR41lVoFZco/KFa9u9Ct1zY+byLOJ9xm/Ei31Fpjp4tRp7F+A+1E 3dIk4EC2x0Kh7YC7Dq67ny/rDgIBqh/C+D8Cw= Received: by 10.210.42.13 with SMTP id p13mr894413ebp.48.1243381283354; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm4808859eyg.17.2009.05.26.16.41.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 May 2009 16:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:41:19 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527004119.62822b41@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090526170210.GB75202@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <26face530905242257m7030933cy4a1171de7a06ee59@mail.gmail.com> <20090525190039.GA39139@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <43F89C0B-370E-4E29-9214-E447768C97A3@goldmark.org> <20090526170210.GB75202@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:41:26 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 19:02:10 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > Or if you have the case of a 'known-plaintext' attack. It happens > more often than you would think: > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known-plaintext_attack] > Note that using a random salt would be a good protection against such > an attack! Only if the passphrase is weak. If you don't use salt you can pre-compute a table that maps weak passphrases to a few bytes of of the ciphertext of a known plaintext first block. But if that passphrase contains sufficient entropy it's no cheaper than a brute-force attack against the cipher. A cipher that can't withstand that isn't worth using. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 00:33:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D02106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 00:33:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5322C8FC15 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 00:33:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1M974m-0007RV-Je; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:33:05 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6DF2F0DE02; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A1C8A3A.6020409@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:32:58 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Albright References: <20090526183805.GA93248@darth-vader.org> <4A1C51A5.2020600@FreeBSD.org> <20090526221411.GA6272@darth-vader.org> In-Reply-To: <20090526221411.GA6272@darth-vader.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logcheck-1.2.54_3 build error? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:33:06 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bryan Albright wrote: > On 05/26/09 at 04:31PM, Greg Larkin wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Bryan Albright wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> I'm trying to build the logcheck port on my FreeBSD 7.2 system. >>> # uname -prs >>> FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE amd64 >>> >>> Here's the error I get: >>> # cd /usr/ports/security/logcheck/ >>> # make >>> => logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. >>> => Attempting to fetch from http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/debian/pool/main/l/logcheck/. >>> logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz 100% of 137 kB 82 kBps >>> ===> Extracting for logcheck-1.2.54_3 >>> => MD5 Checksum OK for logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz. >>> => SHA256 Checksum OK for logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz. >>> ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found >>> ===> Patching for logcheck-1.2.54_3 >>> ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found >>> ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for logcheck-1.2.54_3 >>> ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on executable: docbook2man - found >>> ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found >>> ===> Configuring for logcheck-1.2.54_3 >>> ===> Building for logcheck-1.2.54_3 >>> *** Error code 255 >>> >>> Stop in /usr/ports/security/logcheck. >>> >>> and that's all I get. >>> >>> I've tried to mail the port maintainer(glarkin@FreeBSD.org), and the latest person that >>> built the Makefile (dan@freebsddiary.org) but neither address allowed my message through. >>> >>> I've re-built (make deinstall && make reinstall) the >>> BUILD_DEPENDS(/usr/ports/texproc/docbook2man) and RUN_DEPENDS(/usr/ports/mail/procmail, >>> /usr/ports/shells/bash) but I still get the same error. >>> >>> What more do I need to provide to help troubleshoot this error to allow logcheck to >>> install? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Bryan >>> >> Hi Bryan, >> >> I got your direct message a little while ago - did it also bounce back >> to you? Coincidentally, I have been working on this problem today. > > Greg -- > > First off, let me say thank you for maintaining this port and being so > quick to respond to requests. > > I did not receive a bounce. I checked my mailq and saw that after 10 > minutes that there was a delay, so I went this route. > >> Do you have the textproc/docbook-to-man port installed on your machine? > > Nope. Just docbook2X-0.8.8_2. > >> I recently changed security/logcheck to use textproc/docbook2X to >> convert its SGML man page source into a man page, since its a much >> lighter-weight port than docbook-to-man. >> >> However, if docbook-to-man is already installed, it should be used >> instead of docbook2X. I didn't take that into account initially. >> >> I just updated the port, so please refresh your tree and try >> reinstalling. Let me know how that works for you. > > I just finished updating my ports tree, both from > cvsup1.us.freebsd.org and from cvsup15.us.freebsd.org (the fastest > from a fastest_cvsup output), but the security/logcheck port didn't > update. How long should I wait to see in in the ports tree, or is > there a non-normal location to pull the ports from? > > Thanks! > > Bryan > Hi Bryan, Ok, I think the FreeBSD mail server has implemented greylisting, so that's probably why there was a delivery delay. By any chance do you have the textproc/docbook-4.1 port installed? That's the actual port that conflicts with docbook2X, but docbook-to-man typically has it as a dependency. If you don't, then I need to do a little more troubleshooting. I didn't bump the PORTREVISION on the port, but check the header of the Makefile. If it's version 1.26, then you have the latest one. I always update my ports trees with portsnap, and updates are generated within an hour or so, I think. Regards, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKHIo60sRouByUApARAo4PAKC4w7D/ajpNwXQAR0nPQnjukSfh7gCgzREd /3DYErLVkGc0LZzA19wqkKI= =gTHx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 03:14:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C1F1065670 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 03:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryana@darth-vader.org) Received: from jedi.darth-vader.org (jedi.darth-vader.org [63.228.3.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9E28FC18 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 03:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryana@darth-vader.org) Received: from jedi.darth-vader.org (localhost.darth-vader.org [127.0.0.1]) by jedi.darth-vader.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B691C0845 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:14:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: by jedi.darth-vader.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 36A261C0829; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:14:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:14:10 -0500 From: Bryan Albright To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527031410.GA19505@darth-vader.org> References: <20090526183805.GA93248@darth-vader.org> <4A1C51A5.2020600@FreeBSD.org> <20090526221411.GA6272@darth-vader.org> <4A1C8A3A.6020409@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A1C8A3A.6020409@FreeBSD.org> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: Subject: Re: Logcheck-1.2.54_3 build error? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 03:14:11 -0000 On 05/26/09 at 08:32PM, Greg Larkin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bryan Albright wrote: > > On 05/26/09 at 04:31PM, Greg Larkin wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Bryan Albright wrote: > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> I'm trying to build the logcheck port on my FreeBSD 7.2 system. > >>> # uname -prs > >>> FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE amd64 > >>> > >>> Here's the error I get: > >>> # cd /usr/ports/security/logcheck/ > >>> # make > >>> => logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. > >>> => Attempting to fetch from http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/debian/pool/main/l/logcheck/. > >>> logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz 100% of 137 kB 82 kBps > >>> ===> Extracting for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > >>> => MD5 Checksum OK for logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz. > >>> => SHA256 Checksum OK for logcheck_1.2.54.tar.gz. > >>> ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found > >>> ===> Patching for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > >>> ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found > >>> ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > >>> ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on executable: docbook2man - found > >>> ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found > >>> ===> Configuring for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > >>> ===> Building for logcheck-1.2.54_3 > >>> *** Error code 255 > >>> > >>> Stop in /usr/ports/security/logcheck. > >>> > >>> and that's all I get. > >>> > >>> I've tried to mail the port maintainer(glarkin@FreeBSD.org), and the latest person that > >>> built the Makefile (dan@freebsddiary.org) but neither address allowed my message through. > >>> > >>> I've re-built (make deinstall && make reinstall) the > >>> BUILD_DEPENDS(/usr/ports/texproc/docbook2man) and RUN_DEPENDS(/usr/ports/mail/procmail, > >>> /usr/ports/shells/bash) but I still get the same error. > >>> > >>> What more do I need to provide to help troubleshoot this error to allow logcheck to > >>> install? > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Bryan > >>> > >> Hi Bryan, > >> > >> I got your direct message a little while ago - did it also bounce back > >> to you? Coincidentally, I have been working on this problem today. > > > > Greg -- > > > > First off, let me say thank you for maintaining this port and being so > > quick to respond to requests. > > > > I did not receive a bounce. I checked my mailq and saw that after 10 > > minutes that there was a delay, so I went this route. > > > >> Do you have the textproc/docbook-to-man port installed on your machine? > > > > Nope. Just docbook2X-0.8.8_2. > > > >> I recently changed security/logcheck to use textproc/docbook2X to > >> convert its SGML man page source into a man page, since its a much > >> lighter-weight port than docbook-to-man. > >> > >> However, if docbook-to-man is already installed, it should be used > >> instead of docbook2X. I didn't take that into account initially. > >> > >> I just updated the port, so please refresh your tree and try > >> reinstalling. Let me know how that works for you. > > > > I just finished updating my ports tree, both from > > cvsup1.us.freebsd.org and from cvsup15.us.freebsd.org (the fastest > > from a fastest_cvsup output), but the security/logcheck port didn't > > update. How long should I wait to see in in the ports tree, or is > > there a non-normal location to pull the ports from? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bryan > > > > Hi Bryan, > > Ok, I think the FreeBSD mail server has implemented greylisting, so > that's probably why there was a delivery delay. Understood. I was just a bit annoyed at the delay, so I hit up the questions@ list to see if anyone else had an answer. I'm glad you keep an eye on this list too. Thanks! > By any chance do you have the textproc/docbook-4.1 port installed? > That's the actual port that conflicts with docbook2X, but docbook-to-man > typically has it as a dependency. If you don't, then I need to do a > little more troubleshooting. Yes, I did have it installed. It is now uninstalled. No dependencies were listed, so it didn't hurt to take it out. > I didn't bump the PORTREVISION on the port, but check the header of the > Makefile. If it's version 1.26, then you have the latest one. I always > update my ports trees with portsnap, and updates are generated within an > hour or so, I think. I have the version described: # $FreeBSD: ports/security/logcheck/Makefile,v 1.26 2009/05/26 20:25:59 glarkin Exp $ The build of security/logcheck (Makefile version 1.26) breaks in exactly the same way as described in my initial e-mail. ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on executable: docbook2man - found ===> logcheck-1.2.54_3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.9 - found ===> Configuring for logcheck-1.2.54_3 ===> Building for logcheck-1.2.54_3 *** Error code 255 After uninstalling the textproc/docbook-4.1 port, I was able to do a make install clean on the logcheck port just fine. It looks to me like the Makefile needs to check to see if docbook-4.1 is installed, and if so, exit with a warning/error something to the effect of "textproc/docbook4.1 breaks the build. Uninstall ${PORTSDIR}/textproc/docbook-410 to proceed with the build." or something like that. If you would like more testing done on this error, let me know and we can work together on this (offlist, maybe?) I'm willing to install ports and test builds to help make it work better for others too. Thanks! Bryan > > Regards, > Greg -- Bryan Albright If you receive something that says, "Send this to everyone you know," PLEASE pretend you DON'T know me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 03:14:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637B6106566B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 03:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D32628FC15 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 03:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 45831 invoked by uid 89); 27 May 2009 03:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 03:17:55 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:14:10 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090408080709090008060705" Subject: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 03:14:12 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090408080709090008060705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...unfortunately, due to re-racking and upgrade requirements, I have to pull the plug. There is nothing hidden or obfuscated in my output, and I am not ashamed of that. Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, given this uptime in my relatively hostile environment. *sigh* I know this usually generates flames, but in the past, I've seen these types of messages do more good than harm. Someone have a beer for me as I watch my personal uptime record go bye-bye: radius# uptime 11:01PM up 553 days, 13:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 radius# date Tue May 26 23:01:37 EDT 2009 radius# uname -a FreeBSD radius.eagle.ca 6.2-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p5 #0: Thu Jun 14 15:16:10 EDT 2007 root@radius.eagle.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/RADIUS i386 ...and for archive purposes: radius# cat /var/run/dmesg.boot Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. 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Wed, 27 May 2009 03:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A108FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 03:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB253D176; Wed, 27 May 2009 05:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4R3Nats007221; Wed, 27 May 2009 05:23:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:23:35 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Steve Bertrand Message-Id: <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 03:23:49 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:14:10 -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote: > ...unfortunately, due to re-racking and upgrade requirements, I have to > pull the plug. There is nothing hidden or obfuscated in my output, and I > am not ashamed of that. Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) > Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, given this uptime > in my relatively hostile environment. *sigh* What makes it hostile? > Someone have a beer for me as I watch my personal uptime record go bye-bye: > > radius# uptime > 11:01PM up 553 days, 13:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Can't you wait two days more? Just 48 hours? Then you would finish with an uptime of 555 days. Just think about how it would be to finish with an uptime of 666 days, of course at 6:66 o'clock. =^_^= -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 03:29:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B52E106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 03:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 12BAD8FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 03:29:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 46429 invoked by uid 89); 27 May 2009 03:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 03:33:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1CB3AF.4050605@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:29:51 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070202060504080209060905" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 03:29:49 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070202060504080209060905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:14:10 -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> ...unfortunately, due to re-racking and upgrade requirements, I have to >> pull the plug. There is nothing hidden or obfuscated in my output, and I >> am not ashamed of that. > > Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds > the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the > actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, > let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) Nah, uptime is uptime. Uptime was never my intention, it just worked. There have been times recently where the re-racking needed to be done, but I wasn't able to get it pulled off. Once it's down, thats it. >> Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, given this uptime >> in my relatively hostile environment. *sigh* > > What makes it hostile? Small ISP, single 240V electrical supply, enough battery for not-so-long, having to scramble to get the generator in place, etc etc. >> radius# uptime >> 11:01PM up 553 days, 13:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > Can't you wait two days more? Just 48 hours? Then you would > finish with an uptime of 555 days. Just think about how it > would be to finish with an uptime of 666 days, of course at > 6:66 o'clock. =^_^= ...nah, no waiting. I'm not interested in any prestige whatsoever. 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Wed, 27 May 2009 04:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC938FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 04:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD0CEB52C0; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:34:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3251F450E9; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:34:34 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jUfoiEh5yK-r; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:34:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl226-168.kln.forthnet.gr [79.103.39.168]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AC6450D0; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:34:33 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4R4YXJG054025; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:34:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4R4YVU1054024; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:34:31 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1BF434.7070201@supsi.ch> <4A1C0F81.1030402@supsi.ch> <4A1C1518.9080706@supsi.ch> <4A1C1D5E.8090908@supsi.ch> <4A1C1F7C.5010500@supsi.ch> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:34:31 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Tue, 26 May 2009 19:01:46 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <874ov7w4dk.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Roberto Nunnari , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail: stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 04:34:36 -0000 On Tue, 26 May 2009 19:01:46 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> here it is: >> >> divert(0)dnl >> VERSIONID(`$FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.submit.mc,v 1.1 >> 2003/10/19 00:03:13 gshapiro Exp $') >> define(`confCF_VERSION', `Submit')dnl >> define(`__OSTYPE__',`')dnl dirty hack to keep proto.m4 from complaining >> define(`_USE_DECNET_SYNTAX_', `1')dnl support DECnet >> define(`confTIME_ZONE', `USE_TZ')dnl >> define(`confDONT_INIT_GROUPS', `True')dnl >> define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBrokenAAAA')dnl >> dnl >> dnl If you use IPv6 only, change [127.0.0.1] to [IPv6:::1] >> FEATURE(`msp', `[127.0.0.1]')dnl > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 > this line i wanted to check if it listens. looks fine, while your > messages suggested that it's not. > > so no more idea, you talked about that you upgraded things, maybe rm > *.cf;make;make install;/etc/rc.d/sendmail restart? > > but actually i don't have more ideas. Just a wild guess, but looking at the log message it seems like there was some sort of timing problem with the startup of spamassassin and/or the local mailer: May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: smtpquit: mailer local exited with exit value 1 May 26 17:40:46 jupiter sm-mta[10733]: n4QFeh2X010731: to=<... relay=local, dsn=4.4.2, stat=Deferred: Connection reset by local May 26 17:40:47 jupiter spamd[4853]: prefork: child states: II Maybe Sendmail started trying to feed messages through spamassassin before it had a chance to launch? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 05:22:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27872106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 05:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B75238FC23 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 05:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 50899 invoked by uid 89); 27 May 2009 05:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 05:26:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1CCE1A.3030008@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:22:34 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070103040303070605020401" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:22:33 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070103040303070605020401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Bertrand wrote: [..snip..] > Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, [..snip..] radius# uptime 1:19AM up 553 days, 15:56, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 :( radius# halt --------------ms070103040303070605020401 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; 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Wed, 27 May 2009 05:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC528FC0A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 05:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4401685bwz.43 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UKRYhWvTnfBwy2Ul4OsrN1voIL8YB9PcPK7bPHksJ+A=; b=IgbwY4QQnqTSJm7V6PEDSGRAp7T0GXWhJ1O+Q/08GRsZXmStz1jKwXskIfbVTiyrzR jcKBcPVVPD3vDH+6VDoCHWe5XQcMYlE+RmiORmAmH1iF5rJJR5y9bnpCHFXGU9H9QOax QLV0E0l17cc1UBCxmnoMB7rDROEMLp1suTXx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t6zUoNPesfvi3HL6+IdIogAVIVtJ4n6CkRSKaB6GpCZ+YgFtIZ22akrbJoO623bs9Z Jvi8cYouMKlYaohuU6JflPiW8facAS6Vz+MjyQ12CATn1IV62i+fDgadZlQ4D+KXZw0R NMw8VxE3MFnfzdcv1A7CxnmQ8yzWEKAJzvtOw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.115.143 with SMTP id i15mr8865356bkq.103.1243402234469; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:30:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1CCE1A.3030008@ibctech.ca> References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <4A1CCE1A.3030008@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905262230j360a663bw381e3f697159a29e@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:30:36 -0000 Steve, On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Steve Bertrand wrote: > > [..snip..] > >> Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, > > [..snip..] > > radius# uptime > =A01:19AM =A0up 553 days, 15:56, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > :( > > radius# halt > That beer you mentioned earlier.. I'm having it right now for you. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 05:34:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0821D106566B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 05:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863E08FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 05:34:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4402790bwz.43 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:34:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+0hwktQk37MDYsJ9Z10vuVCfjMrzYjsa3W96aOqkxRE=; b=cNK/d10zHSVvedeBlPaIb0ROx7QKMfS03E13gWgzI6Hnoz1Sv7I0F9YFxNN6GMlnfB 7nUuer3/7YivuT4mLCTViQ1atVWnm+7ktaL8Mn8+ZoguCMZMUPctCrkK55QuqWrl2A5O jigd/Lrn55+M6b5udq1MnYevZ2ly0OxX4xq1w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Y2EMYxAKW4KKZepSg+RzXi4rk4H2n3//q5Fg8oniTD/oSYW7c6v+/FaeGchP5I6KlK 1YeeqdU6KdgUR12BiHvE9BfGvqfQibv7/HvI6LhGeclico9r60l24vulkK6ofKDZGM/g QHlHgsnrHk0B7k/riGR2l8M7DuZ9ZgYhWXjNc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.71 with SMTP id y7mr8909139bkq.24.1243402450438; Tue, 26 May 2009 22:34:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:34:10 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Steve Bertrand , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:34:12 -0000 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon wrote: > Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds > the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the > actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, > let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) > I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. It'd be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' without looking through service tag records. -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 05:50:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DB7106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 05:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98B78FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 05:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4R5oBNN014512; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:50:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4R5oBNN014512 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243403412; bh=S3XiEWLlxWikI+zL8eJDjPXj8LchMyXdWrqnW5tqjJM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A1CD48D.3020900@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2027=20May=202009=2006:50:05=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Wojciech=20Puchar=20|CC:=20Gary=20Gatten=20,=20freebsd-questio ns@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20FreeBSD=20&=20Software=20RAID|Refe rences:=20<4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net>=20<200905261238.52979.k irk@strauser.com>=20<70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADP EXV0.waddell.com>=20<4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20|In-Rep ly-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed =3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-s ignature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig6C7345295952FAF2B 6E90806"; b=ZZ2iRrha0kNNJHClRDKdWcIeRb2SPJQ26K0z6ENGldFrJYkJ3O6UaBGTwLsPHnUjk /xjPCVWZWjpG/wDFfzg1XWXguUeJXaSVahaZM1W61tnLEfjYBo54wHV0HFmZlFv8mo zDE7WD8XG9H91uiPi6CvXzGKe2R8qGOzIXJI8t3M= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A1CD48D.3020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:50:05 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6C7345295952FAF2B6E90806" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:50:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6C7345295952FAF2B6E90806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> You can make ZFS work on i386, but it requires very careful tuning and= =20 >> is not >> going to work brilliantly well for particularly large or high-throughp= ut >> filesystems. >=20 > you mean "high transfer" like reading/writing huge files. anyway not=20 > faster than properly configured UFS+maybe gstripe/gmirror. I mean high-throughput, as in bytes-per-second. Whether that consists of= a very large number of small files or fewer larger ones is pretty much imma= terial. =20 > for small files it's only fast when they will fit in cache, same with U= FS For any files, it's a lot faster when they can be served out of cache. T= hat's true for any filesystem. It's only when you get beyond the capacity of y= our caches that things get interesting. I really don't have any hard data on ZFS performance relative to UFS + ge= om. However my feeling is that UFS will win at small scales, but that ZFS wil= l close the gap as the scale increases, and that ZFS is the clear winner wh= en you consider things other than direct performance -- manageability, resil= ience to hardware failure or disk errors, etc. Of course, "small scale" (ie. a= bout the same size as a single drive) is hundreds of GB nowadays, and growing.= Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig6C7345295952FAF2B6E90806 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoc1JMACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwCtQCdEJGze4VTIkJwPCcYR6zRGHM2 y1QAn2v7dzHaCViW2gAQFRz1KI8bbRA+ =dLDk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6C7345295952FAF2B6E90806-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 05:58:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0678C106564A for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary Gatten wrote: > What about with PAE and/or other extension schemes? Doesn't help with the KVM requirement, and still only provides a 4GB addr= ess space for any single process. =20 > If it's just memory requirements, can I assume if I don't have a $hit > load of storage and billions of files it will work "ok" with 4GB of RAM= ? > I guess I'm just making sure there isn't some bug that only exists on > the i386 architecture? ZFS should work on i386. As far as I know there aren't any killer bugs t= hat are architecture specific, but I'm no expert. Unless your aim is to learn= about ZFS I personally wouldn't bother with it on an i386 system: you'll almost= certainly get a lot better performance and a lot less grief out of UFS un= der those conditions. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigF2076FCEF20B8F548BB610DD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoc1ogACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwZ2gCcCUlxsGyz92Oa48QLaqwEDBMs ylEAoInLE56Ai6iGvYwXZd/+cKfN0iur =dy+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF2076FCEF20B8F548BB610DD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 06:13:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594C6106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51898FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4R6D5Ea014831; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:13:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4R6D5Ea014831 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243404786; bh=SpK+6MuUN2tOsewCvfJ/KLoJmJemSIo97cMCaKJ72XY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A1CD9EC.8080803@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2027=20May=202009=2007:13:00=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Polytropon=20|CC:=20FreeBSD=20Q uestions=20|Subject:=20Re:=20A=20Fr eeBSD=20program=20that=20rotates=20text|References:=20<20090526213 538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de>|In-Reply-To:=20<20090526213538.31de fd77.freebsd@edvax.de>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:= 20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D "application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------eni gFA1B2942AA224BBAB614FA3C"; b=sb7m5UkzHhifRW2hCK6gJOO5+EEJQk6Zx69LG2sECYlXJjwKwu5EubGGu0nfr6p03 t9lTMpyW4NbnyPPkE3EMf85qBAp+dfb2tmw2wnIAqhAUwOHIoqBUZQuLUda8Fk7yen VCpH9lc4/zUhTeghOw8BoAUe6mZwURTxjDpeWrio= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A1CD9EC.8080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:13:00 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFA1B2942AA224BBAB614FA3C" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:13:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFA1B2942AA224BBAB614FA3C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polytropon wrote: > Dear list, >=20 > I'm searching for a FreeBSD based means to align text in > a circle, adjusted like in a sigulum. >=20 > I've tried to find an option in OpenOffice, but failed. > Can anyone name me a program that can be used to do so? > It can even be LaTeX, or a painting program that lets > me construct a sigulum, like this: >=20 > http://www-e.uni-magdeburg.de/ruge/verschiedenes/medien-als-manipulator= en/otto.gif >=20 > Text at the top should be adjustable with its bottom > towards the inner of the circle, text at the circle's > bottom hould be adjustable with the bottom to the outer > perimeter of the circle so both text is "standing up". >=20 > A pictural figure should be placable in the inner of > the circle. Colours should be applyable. >=20 > Final output can be everything: Image formats like > PNG or JPG, PDF files, Postscript. >=20 > Suggestions, anyone? =3D^_^=3D >=20 Inkscape. Cut'n'paste this into 'file.svg' and view it either in firefox or Inkscap= e. Took about two minutes to produce... image/svg+xml You mean, like this? Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigFA1B2942AA224BBAB614FA3C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoc2fEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIy9swCfWLxBkeumQRHPKzvFiE+JF8Rk KcIAnjthh8a2VHRkA9YM9dR9lMXGEtir =5qud -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFA1B2942AA224BBAB614FA3C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 06:50:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9FB106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757C08FC0A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EB416C0106; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:50:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4R6oQi5010301; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:50:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:50:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthew Seaman Message-Id: <20090527085026.fc2af299.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4A1CD9EC.8080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A1CD9EC.8080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:50:35 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 07:13:00 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Inkscape. > > Cut'n'paste this into 'file.svg' and view it either in firefox or Inkscape. > Took about two minutes to produce... In pure XML, or using Inkscape? The XML is quite easy to read, I think it's even possible to write drawings in XML. :-) I have to admit that I've got NO CLUE about Inkscape, even drawing concentric circles is problematic. Don't get me wrong, Inkscape seems to be a great program, but SIMPLE things don't seem to be its strengths. Of course, it's a vector based drawing program. The video tutorial was quite easy to follow, but I had massive problems creating two concentric circles - hard when you can only have filled circles (circular areas) without a border (which is the "real circle"). So I miss things like: - draw first circle with line thickness of 10 px - draw second (concentric) circle with line thickness of 10 px - align text between these circles (upper, lower, each centered to Y axis of circles); use outlined letters for the text (shapes) - put a picture into the middle and cut it off where it hits the inner circle. - take some "bucket fill" and fill the "circle ring" blue, the inner of the text keeps white, while the letters' outline is black, and put some color into the figure in the middle (flood fill method). Similar to the sigulum of the university. None of the stuff is really vector based. Another examples: http://www.odenkirchen.de/graphics/grafik_siegel_1547.jpg http://www.megascreen.de/assets/images/Fake-hdtv.jpg If I could only draw the letters more precisely, I'm sure I would be done doing everything by hand. :-) I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, or I'm just too plain stupid. Can such an easy task really be that complicated? If this damn job wouldn't have to be done until today's afternoon (yes, I know, stupid), I would really take more time to learn inkscape, but I think I'll have to go the fastest way, and maybe this is using transparent paper, pens and colour... :-( Anyway, thanks for your XML, I can really learn much from it. I'll try until 11:00, and do "manually" because it's needed by the customer until 13:00 URGENTLY. Thanks for your patience with me, I know that I'm too stupid to own a computer. =^_^= -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 07:12:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9374106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from web57005.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57005.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F7EC8FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12065 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2009 07:12:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243408333; bh=Lqs6v5pnaY0zftGwuJc7HfPVuZKLIz9xi/QXLFTeolM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JTyV7YhcV7LQhvQ/rOeZsyXjwbDy+mOsq47uU+uXt837ew1jVRWxCamZQeO+aNv/TeP/ls05H0GhKBLIilteGZXIlIlAmRIv3THBHMVVQddBaiAq7/xlTk1LzdX8abbg4rHFpvhEuH2uUhJvuz88a9cS6050CxU7OME/yDCasRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2fs6WxNSWTmpYwG5riHeEppbNv2ehL72BpYb0qe97UWixTTu5D3fqXPR4DhVplVJVwn+isN5/5ACSGmRYxhftAFgB704uWMxAoh3zySI92oJHTV7x9hAQkCMaPbGDwPGvgSF+nfgCw+ksK8MO9eTIUY1V63ATI39FDRl/CO/57A=; Message-ID: <647438.11852.qm@web57005.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sf.ZrscVM1mL._TqA6QaaOhWv55GDGsLdiQq8EhvZvXtnQPCtWSiN8Nrb3PZT9mBoExwGaO1iRs4SbxqNXdWotBfTyfQzJyMVltBMDew2OU_w9lSVINxKBxwRF2NW3ZRaHWXsafIIkJhaTnugpF.QzNJzhNhunZ24bpkWzUtiaooP5nxG7duYbVuQnLq0NqnVXrs6APIzEjtT1lQyjEPv2uv2ama5dgl5EZynQmiisuBsIzK84WvzF2OvWI2eUp4SDaf7qwM3NWqj_EAYBGQ5786b_sbCYakTMD0gJWxtxXutWOBbQ-- Received: from [220.255.7.212] by web57005.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 00:12:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: Manolis Kiagias MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to remove redundant login in a FreeBSD live CD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:12:15 -0000 --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Manolis Kiagias wrote:=0A=0A> From:= Manolis Kiagias =0A> Subject: Re: How to remove redundan= t login in a FreeBSD live CD?=0A> To: "Unga" =0A> Cc: fr= eebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:48 PM=0A> Un= ga wrote:=0A> > Hi all=0A> > =0A> > I made a live CD based on FreeBSD 7.2. = When the CD=0A> boots, it prompts for a login. Type root without password= =0A> can log in. It seems this login is redundant.=0A> > =0A> > How to remo= ve this redundant login?=0A> > =0A> > Best regards=0A> > Unga=0A> > =0A> >= =A0=A0=A0=0A> I found this info in a text file of mine (copied from=0A> som= ewhere, but don't remember the source). I remember I used=0A> it once to cr= eate an autologin workstation for someone who=0A> really wouldn't want to k= now anything about usernames,=0A> password or this while unix type of thing= . And as I recall=0A> it worked ;)=0A> =0A> =0A> 1. Add to the /etc/gettyta= b file the following strings:=0A> =0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 test:\=0A> = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> :al=3Dtest:ht:np:sp#115200:=0A> =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> =A0=A0=A0E= xplanation:=0A> =0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> =A0=A0=A0test:\=A0=A0=A0- entry na= me,=0A> autologin will use this username;=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0al= =3Dtest -=0A> autologin username;=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0ht - termina= l=0A> has real tabs;=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0np - 8-bit=0A> chars;=0A>= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0(optional)=0A> sp#115200 - line speed;=0A> =0A> 2= . Edit /etc/ttys file:=0A> =0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> ttyv0=A0=A0=A0"/usr= /libexec/getty test"=A0=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0cons25 on=A0 secure=0A> =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0Change=0A> 'Pc' with test.=0A> =0A=0AThank you, Manoli= s. Your method worked.=0A=0ABest regards=0AUnga=0A=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 08:02:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8192210656A3; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:02:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@honeyguide.net) Received: from jail0064.vps.exonetric.net (jail0064.vps.exonetric.net [82.138.248.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458BD8FC1B; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:02:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@honeyguide.net) Received: from tmo-044-142.customers.d1-online.com (tmo-044-142.customers.d1-online.com [80.187.44.142]) by jail0064.vps.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95F3C94B1; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:47:25 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <1C1EA0CA-FC01-4B68-A94F-198376772C80@honeyguide.net> From: Stephan Lichtenauer To: Peter Jeremy In-Reply-To: <20090526211300.GA13700@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:47:24 +0200 References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <4A194CB7.4080605@FreeBSD.org> <20090526211300.GA13700@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, Gabor Kovesdan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:02:48 -0000 Peter, Am 26.05.2009 um 23:13 schrieb Peter Jeremy: > On 2009-May-24 15:33:43 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan > wrote: >> Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that >> model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly >> everything >> works with it. > > I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/ > resume works out of the box. What FreeBSD version are you using? Best regards Stephan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 08:59:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFE41065673 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cchamb0@interchange.ubc.ca) Received: from mr1.mail-relay.ubc.ca (mr1.mail-relay.ubc.ca [137.82.45.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6588FC17 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cchamb0@interchange.ubc.ca) Received: from mta2.interchange.ubc.ca (mta2.interchange.ubc.ca [142.103.145.70]) by mr1.mail-relay.ubc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCC81826E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 01:59:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Ubc-Received: from Marilyn (d207-81-102-94.bchsia.telus.net [207.81.102.94]) by smtp.interchange.ubc.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0KKA00DQ6OYE88@smtp.interchange.ubc.ca> for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 01:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:58:59 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Christopher Chambers X-X-Sender: cchamb0@mail.interchange.ubc.ca To: questions@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (WNT 1167 2008-08-23) X-UBC-Scanned: Sophos PureMessage 5.5.5.374460, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.1.369594, Antispam-Data: 2009.5.27.85028 X-UBC-Relayed: Relayed through mail-relay.ubc.ca X-PerlMx-Spam: Probability=8%, Report= BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_10_99 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN 0, SMALL_BODY 0, TO_NO_NAME 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __USER_AGENT 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Flag: No Cc: Subject: Mobile Internet Sticks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:59:05 -0000 Hi, Does FreeBSD support those USB "internet anywhere" sticks? Regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 09:05:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185D8106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:05:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from move@inbox.lv) Received: from shark4.inbox.lv (shark4.inbox.lv [89.111.3.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2ED8FC13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from move@inbox.lv) Received: by shark4.inbox.lv (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AE0621BA42; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:59:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (w10 [10.0.1.20]) by shark4-plain-b64d2.inbox.lv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8D21BA44 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:59:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from 87.226.107.109 ( [87.226.107.109]) as user move@10.0.1.1 by mail.inbox.lv with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:59:37 +0300 X-LOCAL: 1 X-Compose: web=mail.inbox.lv, node=w10, l=lv, prefs=HTML, sess=unset, fck=Compatible, compose=HTML X-REMOTE-ADDR: 87.226.107.109 X-HTTP-USER-AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 Message-ID: <1243414777.4a1d00f98aa9e@mail.inbox.lv> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:59:37 +0300 From: Matiss To: FreeBSD Questions References: <1243414413.4a1cff8d9c959@mail.inbox.lv> In-Reply-To: <1243414413.4a1cff8d9c959@mail.inbox.lv> User-Agent: Inbox.lv Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: dump through ssh problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:05:15 -0000 Allright, false alarm.. should've just tried to enter the password and not look at the=0Amessages, = lol cheers, Matt Quoting Matiss : Hey there, Here's a command that I use dump -0aunL -f - / | gzip -2 | ssh -p 182 matt@192.168.0.1 "dd=0Aof=3D/hom= e/matt/usb_hdd/mail.err.lv/dump.root.l0.gz" problem is, when ssh asks for password, it is fed a piped output=0Afrom pr= evious commands, not allowing me to enter a password for=0Aconnection. What am I doing wrong? :) Cheers, Matt=20 -- Tavs bezmaksas pasts Inbox.lv=0A=0ALinks:=0A------=0A[1] mailto:move@in= box.lv=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 09:10:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D50106566B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from move@inbox.lv) Received: from shark4.inbox.lv (shark4.inbox.lv [89.111.3.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59118FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from move@inbox.lv) Received: by shark4.inbox.lv (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D26CB1B9BB; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:53:33 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (w16 [10.0.1.26]) by shark4-plain-b64d2.inbox.lv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B03E1B9B2 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:53:33 +0300 (EEST) Received: from 87.226.107.109 ( [87.226.107.109]) as user move@10.0.1.1 by mail.inbox.lv with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:53:33 +0300 X-LOCAL: 1 X-Compose: web=mail.inbox.lv, node=w16, l=lv, prefs=HTML, sess=unset, fck=Compatible, compose=HTML X-REMOTE-ADDR: 87.226.107.109 X-HTTP-USER-AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 Message-ID: <1243414413.4a1cff8d9c959@mail.inbox.lv> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:53:33 +0300 From: Matiss To: FreeBSD Questions User-Agent: Inbox.lv Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: dump through ssh problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:10:15 -0000 Hey there, Here's a command that I use dump -0aunL -f - / | gzip -2 | ssh -p 182 matt@192.168.0.1 "dd=0Aof=3D/hom= e/matt/usb_hdd/mail.err.lv/dump.root.l0.gz" problem is, when ssh asks for password, it is fed a piped output from=0Apre= vious commands, not allowing me to enter a password for=0Aconnection. What am I doing wrong? :) Cheers, Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 09:15:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB24106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB56B8FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:15:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so4556663fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 02:15:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tmnZU01ibpdMowqZ9GSOJ+qswU1bXUf1iZabxTS0x/4=; b=pmJxymk4gkdjNg4cPgd/9aiYoSDO7iJrJwclqrTJRRKaxUGgV+ONSnDaZ4Dr4rvMeI 63gtppvuk27QK1WCsawzKWizfqemSYzeHZ+2g4vynephaQh+JYBh8eZ6tDSjsUabzPv3 Trbs4dZYx+cfM275oegRcJKAes05IE99RGkRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NjG04J3cXpuNFrLCrpzvbNTVn8/Id3BIs3TklVbUkfPCiuP3q3FC9VpiQRWXPF0cgl WT0r7Yhg1l4JVwMFrWrkw52yl0B8tvuWtrrOMfc9oAZoDVs0itqQmfF7vAwAMiI/gO/S jkO4AOjSI2RPGyiA9f3uDWxyRmZeAyAeo0a18= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.54.16 with SMTP id o16mr9061949bkg.146.1243415752224; Wed, 27 May 2009 02:15:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1243414777.4a1d00f98aa9e@mail.inbox.lv> References: <1243414413.4a1cff8d9c959@mail.inbox.lv> <1243414777.4a1d00f98aa9e@mail.inbox.lv> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:15:32 +0100 Message-ID: To: Matiss Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: dump through ssh problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:15:55 -0000 2009/5/27 Matiss : > Allright, false alarm.. > should've just tried to enter the password and not look at the > messages, lol > cheers, > Matt > =A0Quoting Matiss : Hey there, > =A0Here's a command that I use > =A0dump -0aunL -f - / | gzip -2 | ssh -p 182 matt@192.168.0.1 "dd > of=3D/home/matt/usb_hdd/mail.err.lv/dump.root.l0.gz" > =A0problem is, when ssh asks for password, it is fed a piped output > from previous commands, not allowing me to enter a password for > connection. > =A0What am I doing wrong? :) > =A0Cheers, > =A0Matt > =A0-- Tavs bezmaksas pasts Inbox.lv > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:move@inbox.lv > You could also try using SSH keys; http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/openssh.html Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 09:35:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39431065670 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711058FC27 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from significant-gravitas-shortfall.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4R9ZC4O017272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 10:35:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4R9ZC4O017272 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243416917; bh=CMhqtNbFWQpquuDIuh2OIx5gFq/raCG98dDZ6+qigQ8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A1D0944.9010002@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2027=20May=202009=2010:35:00=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090515)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Polytropon=20|CC:=20FreeBSD=20Q uestions=20|Subject:=20Re:=20A=20Fr eeBSD=20program=20that=20rotates=20text|References:=20<20090526213 538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de>=09<4A1CD9EC.8080803@infracaninophil e.co.uk>=20<20090527085026.fc2af299.freebsd@edvax.de>|In-Reply-To: =20<20090527085026.fc2af299.freebsd@edvax.de>|X-Enigmail-Version:= 200.95.7|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed =3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-sig nature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig963B7F6D9EF25944DEF F57FA"; b=JDnYXEZVe4CwU362KnC4/AdgZt6tdFL5cR+lF218GPpY+k6TjxO8TT05i8TufUhUj aTU6xd2gZf7JSzp7r5el0G07lXtPXa0NguFLk32VscxIIrTOGp+QjXm2Et3pRBfoUW uH7zp/neC8+dWgknKkFw7K24NTdTi3qV95R61LEY= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4] claimed to be significant-gravitas-shortfall.thebunker.net Message-ID: <4A1D0944.9010002@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:35:00 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090515) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A1CD9EC.8080803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20090527085026.fc2af299.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090527085026.fc2af299.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig963B7F6D9EF25944DEFF57FA" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:35:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig963B7F6D9EF25944DEFF57FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polytropon wrote: > So I miss things like: > - draw first circle with line thickness of 10 px Select the object, then go to Object: Fill and Stroke In the stroke style tab, set the width to 10px > - draw second (concentric) circle with line thickness of 10 px Draw two circles of appropriate sizes anywhere on the page, select both of them, then go to Object: Align and Distribute. Just align centers horizontally and then vertically. Voila: concentric circles. Hold down ctrl when drawing circles to constrain something that's nearly circular into being an actual circle. > - align text between these circles (upper, lower, each > centered to Y axis of circles); use outlined letters > for the text (shapes) Select the /inner/ circle and the text. Got to Text: Put on Path. You may have to double-click the curved text and drag the handles to get it the right way up. Select the text, and play with the Fill and Stroke stuff -- by default text is filled with the background colour and the edges aren't drawn (stroked) over, but that's easy to change. > - put a picture into the middle and cut it off where it > hits the inner circle. Set the inner circle fill to transparent. Make a group of the circles and text, then drop it over your image. > - take some "bucket fill" and fill the "circle ring" blue, > the inner of the text keeps white, while the letters' > outline is black, and put some color into the figure in > the middle (flood fill method). Bucket fill should work for the arbitrary areas, although use the Fill and Stroke dialogue for the lettering. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK --------------enig963B7F6D9EF25944DEFF57FA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkodCUsACgkQ3jDkPpsZ+VYrBACgnWEqqRn48ApIlXiLIMg9EWt3 XhkAoKgCVYk980vGhBak0HYS7YMzuKyu =E1gD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig963B7F6D9EF25944DEFF57FA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 09:38:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFDD106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (macos.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5708FC1C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4R9cPQB019830 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:38:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id n4R9cP14019827 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:38:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) X-Authentication-Warning: macos.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:38:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@macos.cmi.ua.ac.be To: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: 7.2: Xorg no keyboard/mouse input X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:38:28 -0000 I set upFreeBSD-7.2 on a PC from scratch (deleted prevvious 7.0 partition, reinstalled 7.2) installed xorg and kde via pkg_add adapted /etc/ttys to start KDM window manager (ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/kdm-nodaemon" xterm on secure) at reboot, I get KDE login screen, but keyboard and mouse do not react to any input/move. (in 7.0 on same system, with same keyboard and mouse I had no problem) when setting /etc/ttys, ttyv8 again to off and reboot, # startx shows 3 primitive windows, but again no mouse and keyboard input accepted, Ctrl-Alt-backspace goes back to an ascii console screen but no prompt Ctrl-Alt-F1 neither Ctrl-Alt-F2 gives a login: prompt and keyboard input is accepted... (in # sysinstall I -postinstallation config, I checked mouse operation it passed the test) what can be wrong and how to remedy? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 09:48:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD34106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8078FC22 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FF316C00BF; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:48:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4R9mFet022441; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:48:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:48:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Pieter Donche Message-Id: <20090527114815.f8f17f78.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: 7.2: Xorg no keyboard/mouse input X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:48:19 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 11:38:25 +0200 (CEST), Pieter Donche wrote: > I set upFreeBSD-7.2 on a PC from scratch (deleted prevvious 7.0 > partition, reinstalled 7.2) > [...] > at reboot, I get KDE login screen, but keyboard and mouse do not react to > any input/move. > (in 7.0 on same system, with same keyboard and mouse I had no problem) > [...] > what can be wrong and how to remedy? Nothing wrong, is intended to be that way. :-) Looks definitely like the new improvements (argh) of X. Refer to /usr/ports/UPDATING - it contains instructions about how to load HAL / DBUS at system startup or needed modifications to xorg.conf. Thre have been earlier posts about this problem on the mailing list. Feel free to check the archives. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 09:53:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF5C106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@honeyguide.net) Received: from jail0064.vps.exonetric.net (jail0064.vps.exonetric.net [82.138.248.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180508FC1B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:53:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@honeyguide.net) Received: from tmo-044-142.customers.d1-online.com (tmo-044-142.customers.d1-online.com [80.187.44.142]) by jail0064.vps.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8966CE7BF; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:35:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Stephan Lichtenauer To: Christopher Chambers In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:34:00 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mobile Internet Sticks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:53:03 -0000 Chris, Am 27.05.2009 um 10:58 schrieb Christopher Chambers: > Hi, > > Does FreeBSD support those USB "internet anywhere" sticks? > I suggest to check http://people.freebsd.org/~n_hibma/u3g.html and "man u3g". I use u3g on 7.2 (with GENERIC kernel, I am simply loading the module) and a HUAWEI E220 (at least I think it is, can't double check right now, but it is sold as T-Mobile Web'n'Walk III stick in Germany) and it works just fine with userland PPP. Best regards Stephan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 10:59:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDA41065673 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801228FC25 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9GrJ-0004L5-NM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 03:59:45 -0700 Message-ID: <23740220.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 03:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: nok_compx To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49F2281D.7030109@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: nok_compx@hotmail.com References: <49F2281D.7030109@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: pam_groupdn/pam_member_attribute does not with OpenLDAP/PAM and FreeBSD. Why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:59:46 -0000 I found this problem too. I use CentOS 5.2 and openldap-2.3.43-3.el5. How can I configure this issue, please tell me? :-) O. Hartmann-5 wrote: > > On our FreeBSD 7.2/8.0 driven infrastructure we use OpenLDAP: > > openldap-sasl-client-2.4.16 Open source LDAP client implementation with > SASL2 support > openldap-sasl-server-2.4.16 Open source LDAP server implementation > pam_ldap-1.8.4_1 A pam module for authenticating with LDAP > >>From O'Reilly's OpenLDAP book and other sources I got the information, > that tha tags > > pam_groupdn > pam_member_attribute > > can be used in conjunction with 'uid' to restrict access to a specific > host to those which are member of the group specified by pam_groupdn, as > long as the group object supports > multi-value-attributes like memberUid. > > Well, this is not working with FreeBSD any way! > > Suppose I define in /usr/local/etc/ldap.conf > > pam_groupdn cn=myGroup,ou=groups,dc=foo,dc=bar (objectClass: posixGroup) > pam_member_attribute memberUid > > And within this group there is my memberUid: > > memberUid: ohartmann > > Now I try to login to the specific box and get the warning: > > > You must be a memberUid of cn=myGroup,ou=groups,dc=foo,dc=bar to login. > > ... and I can login, no tmatter whether I'm in the group or not. > > What ist happening here? Why is the documentaion telling me this should > work and why isn't FreeBSD/PAM doing so? > > I'm confused! > > Any help appreciated. > > Oliver > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/pam_groupdn-pam_member_attribute-does-not-with-OpenLDAP-PAM-and-FreeBSD.-Why--tp23224829p23740220.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 11:03:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFB6106567A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roys1012@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f164.google.com (mail-ew0-f164.google.com [209.85.219.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0508FC29 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roys1012@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so958642ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 04:03:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=o1keeA577hcrHZysEjnCXZvnzV+jKjg02CCzhHMh5wU=; b=G0yHNOd+9PsTkR2x7ODIB3UZOw2kdSlZ1UMADuqesumkS9foOcMfGoaug14qjbBV0s 6nhyYln5gR+PUqUMy+aiHEMflXic4GQ+O4JCHTm3P8tJdRhuAWNSu/3RTeFaRPZm871P /JfTZQz1Wb2NL4UFw7/NtPSTplhkaig8FMVzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; b=Uc2j/YIYxTP/dIl4qtMBtl3f7RQaD/QaVyNkFZ5QM6CnWHQV71gjPDDgwAhcUQtfu5 7ziRLLgiJGWXH6xslfTFDq/DTWgBoyn3LN8uneyXKhraCGpHhC4O32r/zduKcmYNEMl7 9rr3TSlyMZCoeJwsqdQEmWL2IntM19xifgTV0= Received: by 10.210.10.8 with SMTP id 8mr1607023ebj.9.1243422225719; Wed, 27 May 2009 04:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.125? (ip193-123-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl [87.210.123.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm1333783eyg.44.2009.05.27.04.03.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 May 2009 04:03:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Roy Stuivenberg To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:01:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1243422066.1363.12.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ipod nano 3th 8gig X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:03:49 -0000 Hello, Has anyone been able to connect an ipod nano 3th (windows version) ? Mounting it gives me this error. rs-unix# mount -t msdosfs /dev/da1s1 /ipod mount_msdosfs: /dev/da1s1: : Invalid argument dmesg : rs-unix# dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #0: Tue May 5 15:39:15 CEST 2009 amsroy@rs-unix.roycs.nl:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC-ROYCS Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz (2331.01-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x10677 Stepping = 7 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x8e39d AMD Features=0x20100000 AMD Features2=0x1 Cores per package: 4 real memory = 2146959360 (2047 MB) avail memory = 2091622400 (1994 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of 0, a0000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, 7ff00000 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: irq 16 at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: mem 0xfd000000-0xfdffffff,0xd0000000-0xdfffffff,0xfc000000-0xfcffffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 nvidia0: on vgapci0 vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_busmaster vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED] nvidia0: [ITHREAD] uhci0: port 0xb800-0xb81f irq 16 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: on usb0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xb880-0xb89f irq 21 at device 26.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci1: [ITHREAD] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: on usb1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0xbc00-0xbc1f irq 18 at device 26.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci2: [ITHREAD] usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: on usb2 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xfbfffc00-0xfbffffff irq 18 at device 26.7 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ehci0: [ITHREAD] usb3: EHCI version 1.0 usb3: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3: on ehci0 usb3: USB revision 2.0 uhub3: on usb3 uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered umass0: on uhub3 hdac0: mem 0xfbff8000-0xfbffbfff irq 22 at device 27.0 on pci0 hdac0: HDA Driver Revision: 20090329_0131 hdac0: [ITHREAD] pcib2: irq 17 at device 28.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib2 pcib3: irq 17 at device 28.4 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 atapci0: port 0xdc00-0xdc07,0xd880-0xd883,0xd800-0xd807,0xd480-0xd483,0xd400-0xd40f mem 0xfeaffc00-0xfeaffdff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci3 atapci0: [ITHREAD] ata2: on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] pcib4: irq 16 at device 28.5 on pci0 pci2: on pcib4 pci2: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) uhci3: port 0xb080-0xb09f irq 23 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci3: [ITHREAD] usb4: on uhci3 usb4: USB revision 1.0 uhub4: on usb4 uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci4: port 0xb400-0xb41f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci4: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci4: [ITHREAD] usb5: on uhci4 usb5: USB revision 1.0 uhub5: on usb5 uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci5: port 0xb480-0xb49f irq 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci5: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci5: [ITHREAD] usb6: on uhci5 usb6: USB revision 1.0 uhub6: on usb6 uhub6: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci1: mem 0xfbfff800-0xfbfffbff irq 23 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] ehci1: [ITHREAD] usb7: EHCI version 1.0 usb7: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb4 usb5 usb6 usb7: on ehci1 usb7: USB revision 2.0 uhub7: on usb7 uhub7: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered pcib5: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci5: on pcib5 rl0: port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem 0xfebffc00-0xfebffcff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci5 miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: PHY 0 on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: Ethernet address: 00:10:a7:07:ca:98 rl0: [ITHREAD] isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci1: port 0xa000-0xa007,0x9c00-0x9c03,0x9880-0x9887,0x9800-0x9803,0x9480-0x948f,0x9400-0x940f irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 atapci1: [ITHREAD] ata3: on atapci1 ata3: [ITHREAD] ata4: on atapci1 ata4: [ITHREAD] pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) atapci2: port 0xb000-0xb007,0xac00-0xac03,0xa880-0xa887,0xa800-0xa803,0xa480-0xa48f,0xa400-0xa40f irq 19 at device 31.5 on pci0 atapci2: [ITHREAD] ata5: on atapci2 ata5: [ITHREAD] ata6: on atapci2 ata6: [ITHREAD] acpi_button0: on acpi0 speaker0: port 0x61 on acpi0 fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FILTER] sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: [FILTER] cpu0: on acpi0 ACPI Warning (tbutils-0243): Incorrect checksum in table [OEMB] - F1, should be E8 [20070320] cpu1: on acpi0 cpu2: on acpi0 cpu3: on acpi0 pmtimer0 on isa0 ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1 at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 on isa0 ata1: [ITHREAD] atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] ppc0: parallel port not found. sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 ums0: on uhub4 ums0: 4 buttons and Z dir. uhub8: on uhub4 uhub8: 4 ports with 2 removable, bus powered ukbd0: on uhub8 kbd2 at ukbd0 uhid0: on uhub8 uhid1: on uhub8 uscanner0: on uhub5 uhub5: device problem (STALLED), disabling port 2 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec ipfw2 (+ipv6) initialized, divert loadable, nat loadable, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to deny, logging limited to 5 packets/entry by default acd0: DVDR at ata2-slave UDMA66 ad6: 238475MB at ata3-master SATA300 hdac0: HDA Codec #0: Realtek ALC888 pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm1: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm2: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm3: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad6s1a is ufsid/4a0041c086962ad9. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad6s1d is ufsid/4a0041c8c7b5d241. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad6s1e is ufsid/4a0041c026f323e1. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad6s1f is ufsid/4a0041c06d8d0c97. SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! acd0: FAILURE - dIaN0 QaUtI RYu maIsLsL-EsGiAmL 0R EbQuUsE S0T taasrcg=e0tx 02 4l uansc q0= 0dxa00 0s: ks<=F0UxJ4I8T S0Ux 0M0H Y02x16001B H > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: 152627MB (312581808 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 19457C) cd0 at ata2 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 66.000MB/s transfers cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present (probe1:ata2:0:1:0): TEST UNIT READY. CDB: 0 0 0 0 0 0 (probe1:ata2:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error (probe1:ata2:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition (probe1:ata2:0:1:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 (probe1:ata2:0:1:0): Medium not present (probe1:ata2:0:1:0): Unretryable error cam_periph_alloc: attempt to re-allocate valid device pass1 rejected passasync: Unable to attach new device due to status 0x6: CCB request was invalid cam_periph_alloc: attempt to re-allocate valid device cd0 rejected cdasync: Unable to attach new device due to status 0x6 umass1: on uhub7 GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is ufsid/4951260ad913d084. da1 at umass-sim1 bus 1 target 0 lun 0 da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device da1: 40.000MB/s transfers da1: 7583MB (1941441 4096 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 120C) Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad6s1a GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0041c086962ad9 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad6s1a is ufsid/4a0041c086962ad9. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0041c026f323e1 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad6s1e is ufsid/4a0041c026f323e1. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0041c06d8d0c97 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad6s1f is ufsid/4a0041c06d8d0c97. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0041c8c7b5d241 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad6s1d is ufsid/4a0041c8c7b5d241. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0041c086962ad9 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0041c026f323e1 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0041c06d8d0c97 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a0041c8c7b5d241 removed. rl0: link state changed to UP WARNING: /media/disk-23 was not properly dismounted Regards, Roy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 11:05:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB4D10656F2 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2018FC1F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:05:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from localhost.my.domain (cazador.sisis.de [193.31.11.193]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4F218503656; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:05:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4RB5WLm003594; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:05:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:05:32 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Manolis Kiagias Message-ID: <20090527110532.GA3397@current.Sisis.de> References: <20090506085405.GA5251@rebelion.Sisis.de> <4A0165EA.1060003@otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4A0165EA.1060003@otenet.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:05:34 -0000 El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 01:26:50PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > >Hello, > > > >Maybe a bit off-topic (sorry for this). I've got a fresh Dell M4400 > >laptop with 250 GByte, pre-installed Vista on it. Is there a way to > >reduce the Vista to let's say 50 GByte and install FreeBSD -CURRENT > >in the remaining 200 GByte, just to have the Vista later for some > >investigations, or whatever? Thx > > > >If not I will scratch the Vista, install FreeBSD and later in the rest > >of 50 GByte the Vista again. > > > > matthias > > > Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel -> > Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Disk Management. Right > click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that it will > allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the fragmentation) > but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G disk. Then install > FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager (it > will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use EasyBCD (free > download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot menu. Meanwhile I'm running CURRENT in the 200 GByte and I'm nearly happy with all. I'm still waiting for the Atheros miniPCI Wifi to replace the unsupported Intel one with an Atheros AR5BXB6(AR5424). All other stuff is working fine now. Even the high-res display of 1920x1200 is now supported in the xf86-video-nv driver. Concerning EasyBCD, it tries always in unattended mode to boot the damn Vista and not the other FreeBSD partition which I have i 1st place in the boot menu, i.e. if you just switch on the laptop and go for coffee, you will find it Vista booted. :-( Is there no way to use the normal FreeBSD boot manager to switch between the partitions to boot? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 11:11:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E557C1065677 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:11:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADE88FC15 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:11:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107363D1B7; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:11:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4RBBpKA032849; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:11:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:11:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Roy Stuivenberg Message-Id: <20090527131151.6ef7d17b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1243422066.1363.12.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> References: <1243422066.1363.12.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipod nano 3th 8gig X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:12:00 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 13:01:06 +0200, Roy Stuivenberg wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone been able to connect an ipod nano 3th (windows version) ? > Mounting it gives me this error. > > rs-unix# mount -t msdosfs /dev/da1s1 /ipod > mount_msdosfs: /dev/da1s1: : Invalid argument Can you check # fdisk da1 to see if you're accessing the correct partition? In any case, /dev/da1s1 should be fine. You can try as well: # mount_msdosfs -o ro /dev/da1s1 /ipod # mount_msdosfs -o ro /dev/da1 /ipod >From your dmesg: > umass1: on uhub7 > da1 at umass-sim1 bus 1 target 0 lun 0 > da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers > da1: 7583MB (1941441 4096 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 120C) Which files are created in /dev? # ll /dev/da1* I don't own an iPod, but I may assume that it shows itself to the system as a regular direct access storage device (da) and not as a generic device (ugen). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 11:57:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F0210656AE for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469438FC13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from theone.dyndns.org (athedsl-4556263.home.otenet.gr [94.70.81.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4RBvhXE028528; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:57:43 +0300 Message-ID: <4A1D2A96.6050300@otenet.gr> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:57:10 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090320) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz References: <20090506085405.GA5251@rebelion.Sisis.de> <4A0165EA.1060003@otenet.gr> <20090527110532.GA3397@current.Sisis.de> In-Reply-To: <20090527110532.GA3397@current.Sisis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:57:47 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 01:26:50PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió: > > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Maybe a bit off-topic (sorry for this). I've got a fresh Dell M4400 >>> laptop with 250 GByte, pre-installed Vista on it. Is there a way to >>> reduce the Vista to let's say 50 GByte and install FreeBSD -CURRENT >>> in the remaining 200 GByte, just to have the Vista later for some >>> investigations, or whatever? Thx >>> >>> If not I will scratch the Vista, install FreeBSD and later in the rest >>> of 50 GByte the Vista again. >>> >>> matthias >>> >>> >> Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel -> >> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Disk Management. Right >> click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that it will >> allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the fragmentation) >> but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G disk. Then install >> FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager (it >> will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use EasyBCD (free >> download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot menu. >> > > Meanwhile I'm running CURRENT in the 200 GByte and I'm nearly happy with > all. I'm still waiting for the Atheros miniPCI Wifi to replace the > unsupported Intel one with an Atheros AR5BXB6(AR5424). All other stuff > is working fine now. Even the high-res display of 1920x1200 is now > supported in the xf86-video-nv driver. > > Concerning EasyBCD, it tries always in unattended mode to boot the damn > Vista and not the other FreeBSD partition which I have i 1st place in > the boot menu, i.e. if you just switch on the laptop and go for coffee, > you will find it Vista booted. :-( > There is an option in EasyBCD concerning the default entry to boot. I would tell you the exact location, but due to recent developments (VirtualBox running on FreeBSD) I completely wiped Vista from my laptop ;) I am sure you will find it though. > Is there no way to use the normal FreeBSD boot manager to switch between > the partitions to boot? > > > This used to be the case up until XP. Vista's boot loader is very fussy though, and it usually breaks if you do that. For peace of mind I'd recommend against it. Another solution would probably be to not use the boot manger at all but use disk management in Vista and fdisk in FreeBSD to set the active partition each time you need to change. I haven't tried this, but it should work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 12:35:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6440106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:35:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07758FC24 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:35:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from localhost.my.domain (cazador.sisis.de [193.31.11.193]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40CC18503657; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:35:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4RCZo5U001644; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:35:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:35:50 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Manolis Kiagias Message-ID: <20090527123550.GA1565@current.Sisis.de> References: <20090506085405.GA5251@rebelion.Sisis.de> <4A0165EA.1060003@otenet.gr> <20090527110532.GA3397@current.Sisis.de> <4A1D2A96.6050300@otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4A1D2A96.6050300@otenet.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:35:53 -0000 El día Wednesday, May 27, 2009 a las 02:57:10PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió: > >Concerning EasyBCD, it tries always in unattended mode to boot the damn > >Vista and not the other FreeBSD partition which I have i 1st place in > >the boot menu, i.e. if you just switch on the laptop and go for coffee, > >you will find it Vista booted. :-( > > > > There is an option in EasyBCD concerning the default entry to boot. I > would tell you the exact location, but due to recent developments > (VirtualBox running on FreeBSD) I completely wiped Vista from my laptop > ;) I am sure you will find it though. Ofc, there was this option; thx > >Is there no way to use the normal FreeBSD boot manager to switch between > >the partitions to boot? > > > > > > > > This used to be the case up until XP. Vista's boot loader is very fussy > though, and it usually breaks if you do that. For peace of mind I'd > recommend against it. Another solution would probably be to not use the > boot manger at all but use disk management in Vista and fdisk in FreeBSD > to set the active partition each time you need to change. I haven't > tried this, but it should work. well I can now live with the change and it boots FreeBSD by default (I'm just closing my eyes some seconds after power-on to not have to see the word Vista :-)) I will erase later the Vista in any case. matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 12:47:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D15106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kian.gould@aoemedia.de) Received: from aoemailer.de (aoemailer.de [85.214.124.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6218FC1C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kian.gould@aoemedia.de) Received: from h1341255.aoemedia.de ([85.214.124.58]) by h1341255.aoemedia.de ([85.214.124.58]) with mapi; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:36:20 +0200 From: "Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH" To: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:36:18 +0200 Thread-Topic: Sponsoring FreeBSD Thread-Index: Acnex7uZh2N2ZRD3TI6igi31j/xM+w== Message-ID: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:47:18 -0000 Dear FreeBSD Team, We are a small Open Source company in Germany, and due to our close connect= ion to the Open Source world we sponsor several successful Open Source proj= ects that help us in our daily work and/or are great contributions to the O= S world as such. 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Best Regards, Kian Gould AOE media GmbH Borsigstr. 3 65205 Wiesbaden Germany Tel. +49 (0) 6122 70 70 7 -111 Fax. +49 (0) 6122 70 70 7 -199 Mobil: +49 (0) 177 38 191 09 e-Mail: kian.gould@aoemedia.de Web: http://www.aoemedia.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 13:32:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D141065673 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:32:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B35C28FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:32:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: (qmail 32139 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 13:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.90) with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 13:32:26 -0000 x-cr-puzzleid: {8CAF1F88-8A80-4DE1-B721-BE088FBB87B0} MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Watchdog timer Thread-Index: AcndmTFRQVF1IWZ5RIGP2YaR1SM6DgBNj6WA References: <2rdm15dmjmmcrmats2tnktahe64g3jcvko@4ax.com> From: "Peter Steele" x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AYsL Awz7 Bdu0 B6iV CwWf DPZR DplJ D19m EiCt GaSn G52K ID5f IbAe JomN KEaQ KLJP; 1; ZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAtAHEAdQBlAHMAdABpAG8AbgBzAEAAZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAuAG8AcgBnAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {8CAF1F88-8A80-4DE1-B721-BE088FBB87B0}; cABzAHQAZQBlAGwAZQBAAHcAZQBiAG0AYQBpAGwALgBtAGEAeABpAHMAYwBhAGwAZQAuAGMAbwBtAA==; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:32:23 GMT; UgBFADoAIABXAGEAdABjAGgAZABvAGcAIAB0AGkAbQBlAHIA To: Subject: RE: Watchdog timer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:32:28 -0000 >It depends on the watchdog hardware itself. Some are not able to >handle long timeouts. Check the man pages for the hardware you are >using. The VIA hardware that we hacked a driver for said it could go >upto 512 seconds, but we could not get to that length > >http://www.tancsa.com/watchdog/ Thanks for the reply. I'll have to do some research on our hardware. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 13:35:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528BF1065672 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD828FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:35:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4697143bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:35:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PCnvx3wf72U81e01kcyHAdcstYMxW8plqt2tYUhfHHo=; b=BoIKqzu9H+Zk7MeNvWdYD/+UWe6oCsbqESWfWFCIdaJ2bRVLZvx2GgNKuLzUQFteZC BgKsnZtH7O4BgJE0EZe8ZcXgJoooiuWwcFMlW0JmH0eWUc4kDXp5jmzw1mSj71VIlHLV 5EKdTPMC5RoqrdSuipjRY+JLGkmnO9tFGPAhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QHuq6UrWZrZ/pcMXBX0OzSYOox2H6TZdedW50FA917NpgpP18n91Qw06z9AdIhNMXw lM2JmouyMx9rKT5Fut0nGYx/XbVKKR653ZWtJAhFiKWmKoZMiXWu6P3B4zNlc87CZkGS IPu6qUFt0Jp/EtVjPIoNo8jkdCNqvRfVyPxHg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.142 with SMTP id r14mr9347633bkq.197.1243431322185; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:35:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:35:02 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, Gabor Kovesdan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:35:25 -0000 2009/5/23 Wojciech Puchar : >> >> I'm about to buy a netbook, which: >> - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) >> - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) >> - has a normal HDD not an SSD > > point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in > order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really > "mobile". so >4 hours on battery&HDD seems possible. > http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=SSD+versus+hard+drive+power&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Will you PLEASE start checking what you say before posting! Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 13:45:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BD9106567A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:45:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00358FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:45:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4707405bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:45:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wH9HFzXdOjdDVa5wR22+tBqaWzHm1y4ryHQnMTZ88VM=; b=Pwa/DP6SJo3LgdoX+OsInpI+AsBIaT7Rs7c4Lq/jzquCWOx4yLiQvO5sN+w4MOBQJS oO1sPQRo6JhWFEhs8e0BDr1I5OEDpbDxzKHcTQoQ3XbKU9OKDa44ob0OWUqauhAYS9PM hfB0fljIrUUaerclbX0jKXq4IUnF6MD6XrqEA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=trVWi2W9XlzajrFL25tztxbqXYHJcE15m0AZUpUTgxyXovlVddAJ1QNLki/7EIK83b 7iftYYGRhUrg/PAO4E9kYgfbBM216jVRK5VxPX6yz01kzb4Qnjpep80MpGNy5kq2nGnk H8MQFACKrbGN99ieJQ15OJ4GxviEzHCwZREcw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.102 with SMTP id f38mr8997bkk.62.1243431938194; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:45:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:45:18 +0100 Message-ID: To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Polytropon , Steve Bertrand , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:45:41 -0000 2009/5/27 Glen Barber : > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon wrote: >> Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds >> the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the >> actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, >> let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) >> > > I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. =A0It'd > be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' > without looking through service tag records. > > -- > Glen Barber How about: [chris@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 324 Apr 15 2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub [chris@amnesiac]~% I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime.... Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 13:56:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC5D106566B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 760CB8FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:56:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 17400 invoked by uid 89); 27 May 2009 13:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 13:56:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1D468F.8000506@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:56:31 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: utisoft@gmail.com References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030808010009060002050405" Cc: Polytropon , Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:56:30 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030808010009060002050405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/5/27 Glen Barber : >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon wrote: >>> Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds >>> the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the >>> actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, >>> let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) >>> >> I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. It'd >> be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' >> without looking through service tag records. >> >> -- >> Glen Barber > > How about: > > [chris@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 324 Apr 15 2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub > [chris@amnesiac]~% > > I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime.... Not really a biggie, I've got another test box right behind it ;) ww9# uptime 9:09AM up 501 days, 22:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Due to network restructuring, the test hardware will be coming out... 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Wed, 27 May 2009 14:00:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E388FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4723929bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:00:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SU8cLpJMktWKnEsCLOYtnD1VWIjYV+eJrlWKpUgHYjs=; b=hIzY4c9TK/tiR1tRI8gzv3p9tzHOM5uBte+pW+7f0xltL6L3iUS09tzSPsHHiA7OyF fE8M6vvp7b9BpMhjvUJo7xoQzoC5vjmEGIYpCLh1qEH5E9sAVW7BbWJ8bwC5btMGUokH D0+9rPsq2Jmns5nGP+g13a4cmtQDX+XWAYZR0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=I6KY+fle50IQSDw2JpZatkgUIFdnbtHMPnTqxll/c4A3ehTgGs/1aYXcR09dKstSnI OpJ80KHUdY3iMnxlHutg3qaY0/TjH4XdcpO/ME4j/KXHsvRr65v+20KYIzzehWpdXbrI 3bG53329d8FCpavvtBNT34yS8N4lqIk88oBGM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.115.143 with SMTP id i15mr13267bkq.103.1243432806493; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:00:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:00:06 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905270700s529e02fdj9e8f9052751387d2@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: utisoft@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:00:08 -0000 Hi, Chris On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Chris Rees wrote: >> >> I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. =A0It'd >> be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' >> without looking through service tag records. >> > > How about: > > [chris@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub > -rw-r--r-- =A01 root =A0wheel =A0324 Apr 15 =A02008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key= .pub > [chris@amnesiac]~% > > I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime.... > Missing the obvious is my way of noticing I'm sleep deprived... :) --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:01:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206071065673 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CAB8FC23 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4724979bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:01:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RGiKpim0nEiliVoFmpX/VQxU2sD62Pag+vrbcnS6SvM=; b=sCzD2EaFEcUD3Mf1O8eySzJvPwG8U9Jlosfr9XMqXDWhITZLYwebC5psFCwY6hA2mt a/TE62I57XVHudcN9YearswL55CW39vb7rORIQkudTc2RqTCNFg0KwU2349kMPAk0zAW eM7DR+fsYjQw2eiZRiOvarXOKI4sIzGY/SC3g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cLyVzbSZ7yX/PB1/pE8QL//epy7kp8JNEZiJeijRfkhtW4sNgwEXYEzkK2X2j0jXPy kmt0l2uqBbCeKnowfXi+80Q4RxDIX7HNJzTKPVuR4l3zUq3oWTzyW1k3pHzZ+tjm2UDQ 6iXdbpXexsZi0J4T0sUOpcedyC3zn347m9wQY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.55.142 with SMTP id u14mr10939bkg.114.1243432862143; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:01:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1D468F.8000506@ibctech.ca> References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D468F.8000506@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:01:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905270701v7427c092u2edfe6b42b5bc15d@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:01:04 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > > Not really a biggie, I've got another test box right behind it ;) > > ww9# uptime > =A09:09AM =A0up 501 days, 22:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > Due to network restructuring, the test hardware will be coming out... > Steve, Just out of curiosity, what function did 'radius' serve? --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:02:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349E410656AD for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:02:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75A18FC15 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so3723fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:02:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hLwwVTWrIofh1+WeprsF7kDICFcip4lzP0+gLckv7OY=; b=f7o/DljS2sl7yY+augXYUXJXzxfMB43jxFRTNUGA5jA5oPFSNFfwKqNeVvJ0ZqE2yC Uel1IiGjKNnEO3YSXePMgGQhEnBGfztorhJAJhoOwnPnnvKVZVssvabeBezjp4cR77oX aTmUEfDCHlxvNDEWXdcCDidhkkPzTw0hoEqJU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=sjhpc1Aad83Es3y669s7MrCQmAIo9kNZxpkbvW1fxN32czt9sE9re72Ut36c9z/rMA 4UCo/MB8ZHRWXzQWQc/PsXdwJb35ASO8CAqyHw4ngFgx0TWuVf7BsJOkry0uHFQNecwv j4lpYEBdBzA1mM+p+7MsecPey/JnW7xHZXJ2M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.174.18 with SMTP id b18mr5091736mup.132.1243432928456; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:02:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:02:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: utisoft@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Polytropon , Glen Barber , Steve Bertrand , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:02:15 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/5/27 Glen Barber : > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon wrote: > >> Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds > >> the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the > >> actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, > >> let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) > >> > > > > I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. It'd > > be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' > > without looking through service tag records. > > > > -- > > Glen Barber > > How about: > > [chris@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 324 Apr 15 2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub > [chris@amnesiac]~% > > I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime.... > > Chris > You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop flag to a database when the system starts and stops. This wouldn't account for improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a "stop" date/time was missing. If you also documented the installation date/time of various components, you could also track their lives separately. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:06:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8F01065679 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B50C38FC17 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 17904 invoked by uid 89); 27 May 2009 14:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 14:06:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1D48CC.4080705@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:06:04 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D468F.8000506@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310905270701v7427c092u2edfe6b42b5bc15d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905270701v7427c092u2edfe6b42b5bc15d@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000209050209030105030901" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:06:01 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000209050209030105030901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glen Barber wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Not really a biggie, I've got another test box right behind it ;) >> >> ww9# uptime >> 9:09AM up 501 days, 22:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >> >> Due to network restructuring, the test hardware will be coming out... >> > > Steve, > > Just out of curiosity, what function did 'radius' serve? RADIUS ;) ...for a local setup of wireless hotspots (freeradius was current on the box). One of many. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:10:00 -0000 none of my freebsd systems can surf to www.freebsd.org anymore. host www.freebsd.org www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33 www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21 www.freebsd.org mail is handled by 0 . mx1.slpowers.com.ionspam.net# host -t a www.freebsd.org www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33 lynx does this (as an example): socket failed: family 28 addr 2001:4f8:fff6::21 port 80. I don't have any of our servers or workstations compiled WITH_IPV6 running 7.1 amd64, running 7.1 i386, running 6.4 i386. telnet www.freebsd.org 80 Trying 69.147.83.33... on macos. just hangs. telnet www.freebsd.org 80 Trying 2001:4f8:fff6::21... 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For Information please see http://www.secnap.com/products/spammertrap/ _________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:10:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177CD106567D for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973948FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so13078fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:10:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZSYEL9iWJA0CyY8NgBlWypMrvUvWArXMhK3gcBjd7Hc=; b=pDjrpXXdr0Ssu9/2vyO/ASlq4fDsy7FDxY2IyquwulzwzNMrcQ3M8ePn5FmcS96T3c EcQXWK+JOs0gZKUwvHweGqNZJj+odpiJ6TK5bYhwuYyWXXoj1kotn9oR+p0Afb/8+3T2 WILH0QIYhigwmrHnZrzmqq65amXhkeZhyLX08= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CibC+o6sPlx/Nit483AI72niqal1p9/HFD8x7Zaa9PTMIaddWfehO7DNj7IPWavkSZ A7pqWaTD6u5hdNRYaj8tYFQiQ4fUaUcurckU5zH1MC3CndOf76mHuvOo0O27YOY3m+JA zO0QE8qVR1VpcQ4M8dw5juxVIzLKyT31kmRy0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.133 with SMTP id p5mr12214bkh.143.1243433437168; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:10:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:10:17 +0100 Message-ID: To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:10:40 -0000 2009/5/27 Andrew Gould : > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Chris Rees wrot= e: >> >> 2009/5/27 Glen Barber : >> > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon wrote: >> >> Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds >> >> the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the >> >> actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, >> >> let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) >> >> >> > >> > I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. =A0It'd >> > be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' >> > without looking through service tag records. >> > >> > -- >> > Glen Barber >> >> How about: >> >> [chris@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub >> -rw-r--r-- =A01 root =A0wheel =A0324 Apr 15 =A02008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ke= y.pub >> [chris@amnesiac]~% >> >> I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime.... >> >> Chris > > You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop flag t= o a > database when the system starts and stops.=A0 This wouldn't account for > improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a "stop" date/time was > missing. > > If you also=A0 documented the installation date/time of various component= s, > you could also track their lives separately. > > Andrew > I use: http://www.uptimes-project.org/hosts/view/2288 Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:24:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71DE1065670 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7685A8FC19 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 18538 invoked by uid 89); 27 May 2009 14:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 14:24:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1D4D0E.7090500@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:24:14 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Scheidell References: <4A1D45AB.2080506@secnap.net> In-Reply-To: <4A1D45AB.2080506@secnap.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030901050102070909000800" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: something broke last night. www.freebsd.org offline? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:24:11 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030901050102070909000800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Scheidell wrote: > none of my freebsd systems can surf to www.freebsd.org anymore. > > host www.freebsd.org > www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33 > www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21 > www.freebsd.org mail is handled by 0 . > mx1.slpowers.com.ionspam.net# host -t a www.freebsd.org > www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33 > > > lynx does this (as an example): > > socket failed: family 28 addr 2001:4f8:fff6::21 port 80. > > > I don't have any of our servers or workstations compiled WITH_IPV6 Can you provide: # netstat -rn # ifconfig ...on one of the boxes? I have no issues here: pearl# telnet -6 freebsd.org 80 Trying 2001:4f8:fff6::28... Connected to freebsd.org. Escape character is '^]'. ... pearl# telnet freebsd.org 80 Trying 69.147.83.40... Connected to freebsd.org. Escape character is '^]'. Also, after a quick look, it would be handy if you could flush your DNS cache and try again. The IPs I get for FreeBSD.org are different than those in your example. Perhaps they changed, and your DNS has not updated yet. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:34:35 -0000 Steve Bertrand wrote: > Michael Scheidell wrote: > >> none of my freebsd systems can surf to www.freebsd.org anymore. >> > ah. I see problem.. you didn't look up the host I documented. freebsd.org is different then www.freebsd.org host freebsd.org freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.40 freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::28 freebsd.org mail is handled by 10 mx1.freebsd.org. try WWW.FREEBSD.ORG > Can you provide: > > # netstat -rn > # ifconfig > > I seriously doubt thats it.. I can get to the world. I could do this on 40 different systems. host -t a www.freebsd.org www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33 $ host www.freebsd.org www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33 www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21 netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 204.89.241.1 UGS 0 45058027 con0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 15108 lo0 204.89.241 link#2 UC 0 0 con0 204.89.241.1 00:0f:34:87:cc:e0 UHLW 2 0 con0 1199 204.89.241.2 00:06:b1:06:08:39 UHLW 1 94936 con0 1004 204.89.241.135 00:06:b1:06:08:39 UHLW 1 7050 con0 580 204.89.241.236 00:14:22:1f:18:64 UHLW 1 51 con0 1084 204.89.241.239 00:14:22:1f:18:64 UHLW 1 5369 con0 868 ifconfig aux0: flags=8802 mtu 1500 options=3b ether 00:22:19:50:24:9e media: Ethernet autoselect (none) status: no carrier con0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=3b inet 204.89.241.240 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 204.89.241.255 ether 00:22:19:50:24:9c media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 bct# from whois: Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email:no.valid.email@worldnic.com Name Server:NS1.ISC-SNS.NET Name Server:NS2.ISC-SNS.COM Name Server: not my cache: this is direct from the horses mouth: host www.freebsd.org NS1.ISC-SNS.NET Using domain server: Name: NS1.ISC-SNS.NET Address: 72.52.71.1#53 Aliases: www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33 www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21 www.freebsd.org mail is handled by 0 . host www.freebsd.org NS2.ISC-SNS.COM Using domain server: Name: NS2.ISC-SNS.COM Address: 38.103.2.1#53 Aliases: www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33 www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21 www.freebsd.org mail is handled by 0 . bct# > I have no issues here: > > pearl# telnet -6 freebsd.org 80 > Trying 2001:4f8:fff6::28... > Connected to freebsd.org. > Escape character is '^]'. > > ... > > pearl# telnet freebsd.org 80 > Trying 69.147.83.40... > Connected to freebsd.org. > Escape character is '^]'. > > ah. I see problem.. you didn't look up the host I documented. freebsd.org is different then www.freebsd.org host freebsd.org freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.40 freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::28 freebsd.org mail is handled by 10 mx1.freebsd.org. looks like if you > Also, after a quick look, it would be handy if you could flush your DNS > cache and try again. The IPs I get for FreeBSD.org are different than > those in your example. Perhaps they changed, and your DNS has not > updated yet. > > Steve > -- Michael Scheidell, CTO Phone: 561-999-5000, x 1259 > *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Certified SNORT Integrator * 2008-9 Hot Company Award Winner, World Executive Alliance * Five-Star Partner Program 2009, VARBusiness * Best Anti-Spam Product 2008, Network Products Guide * King of Spam Filters, SC Magazine 2008 _________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). For Information please see http://www.secnap.com/products/spammertrap/ _________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:44:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66855106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3528D8FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9KMc-0006Se-CJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:44:18 -0700 Message-ID: <23743923.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "kristian.tenorio" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Nabble-From: kristian.tenorio@gmail.com References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:19 -0000 Well, the fact is if you want an easier way, find someone to fix it for you= . But man, if ya wanna change to *NIX, become a sysadmin better and go. You'll see that it's not that hard, is VERY SIMPLE, only ya've gotta get accostumed. Jerry-107 wrote: >=20 > On Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) > "kristian.tenorio" wrote: >=20 >>Nice, go on using Windows, Jerry. I will use my FreeBSD Box. >>But I'd like to point out that my earlier solution is not that good. >>I'm going to fix it here, Jerry and I'm sure this'll be interesting for >>Chandan. >=20 > Nice, go on "TOP POSTING". I prefer to post in a more logical way. >=20 > Seriously, one of the major problems I face when trying to get an > associate or friend to try a non Windows solution is printing. Windows > users are use to just sticking a CD in the box, installing the driver > and whatever other programs the distributor has assembled for them, and > then printing. *nix systems have never been really 'printer' friendly. > If we are ever going to increase the market share, improving the whole > printer 'experience' needs to be given some serious consideration. > Personally, I cannot see a child or even many adults, going through the > convoluted steps you have described needed to get a simple printer to > work. There has to be a better way. Then again, that is just my 2=C2=A2 o= n > the matter. >=20 > --=20 > Jerry > gesbbb@yahoo.com >=20 > Alas, how love can trifle with itself! >=20 > =09William Shakespeare, "The Two Gentlemen of Verona" >=20 > =20 >=20 --=20 View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Canon-printer-and= -TurboPrint-tp7752609p23743923.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:45:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E543710656C6 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51B38FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4REjKlh052197; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4REjJJK052194; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH" In-Reply-To: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:45:36 -0000 > 1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. if they would mention companies for 50$ then www.freebsd.org would be unreadable completely as there will be 5 screens at least of adverts ;) > 2. Sponsoring of Rootservers for Mirrors or as webservers their all servers works fine - no need to. > 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website > current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in every browser. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:46:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DCA1065672 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 009A08FC1C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 19854 invoked by uid 89); 27 May 2009 14:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 14:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1D5241.7070809@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:46:25 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Scheidell References: <4A1D45AB.2080506@secnap.net> <4A1D4D0E.7090500@ibctech.ca> <4A1D4F81.2060004@secnap.net> In-Reply-To: <4A1D4F81.2060004@secnap.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040004090300030302080102" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: something broke last night. www.freebsd.org offline? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:46:22 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040004090300030302080102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Scheidell wrote: > > > Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Michael Scheidell wrote: >> >>> none of my freebsd systems can surf to www.freebsd.org anymore. >>> >> > ah. I see problem.. you didn't look up the host I documented. > > freebsd.org is different then www.freebsd.org D'oh! In that case then, it doesn't work for me either, v4 or v6. Sorry for the noise. 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Wed, 27 May 2009 14:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA1C8FC2A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4REmu6l052235; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:48:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4REmuNg052232; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:48:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:48:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:49:05 -0000 > radius# uptime > 11:01PM up 553 days, 13:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 very good result, but thinking that way is quite a nonsense. you have to shut down, then just shut down! if you want to talk about how well your server works, how stable it is and how good admin are you, then not this uptime shows, but mean time between UNPLANNED downtimes! just write down that it was 553,5 days up and working without problems and add this value to next uptime :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:51:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1E9106573B for ; 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charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Steve Bertrand , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:51:11 -0000 > Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds > the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the > actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, > let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) if it will add only in case of clean shutdown - it would be good. Mean time between failure (unplanned downtime, crash etc.) is important. for example i only once reached 100 days in one of my server, but all downtimes are because: - i did clean shutdown - there was long power outage (quite common that place). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:51:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7774E10656AE for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07AE8FC29 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4REpkaY052261; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:51:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4REpiEC052258; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:51:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:51:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4A1CD48D.3020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4A1CD48D.3020900@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:51:55 -0000 > I really don't have any hard data on ZFS performance relative to UFS + geom. so please test yourself :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:52:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A5C106570C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716748FC20 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:52:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4REqg1E052274; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:52:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4REqgpY052271; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:52:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:52:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4A1CD688.4020604@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905261238.52979.kirk@strauser.com><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED91@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1C3725.8040509@infracaninophile.co.uk> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793ED94@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1CD688.4020604@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:52:51 -0000 > ZFS should work on i386. As far as I know there aren't any killer bugs that > are architecture specific, but I'm no expert. Unless your aim is to learn unless someone assume than size of pointers are 4 bytes, and write program in C, there will work as good in 64-bit mode and in 32-bit mode. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:03:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D893106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170638FC15 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4791707bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:03:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YCFn7fNYEvxPg3PO6E6j+1b8atF8S2+Ly5uCcK6SLVg=; b=N9Iu+LE9NQrbfmSwg2/Az+r7EllAx7IG/vmUYTGZkNyDnDkArD5T1kNuBYZIJu0paP WvSZRjV+Bp9NyVccJnD/k2POvyadi6TgKUDaltPtBR3XOuYx356qF3gl7jU7GyIfzYap dp6eVIt1RF4R6GC3wLKvvB4OZllRzXtN0wpY0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GsNzT637DBwdAq/Re/kFNJj2r08wwHmQX4+yOqvBXAhayKI3/Omx0laW61P8xTWFq2 uPuVVLO20ztuUHwXmDmk21KdCycqaQ9/lQKE6P3G6gVJytyYTvKjgAJZI9jQS6JMRfSU GN7Qugp3ROLiiBrBUwbnj8P3/f9yOswtBGKoI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.135 with SMTP id x7mr67841bkh.95.1243436591278; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:03:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:02:51 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:03:13 -0000 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >> 1. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD > > add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be > interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. > > if they would mention companies for 50$ then www.freebsd.org would be > unreadable completely as there will be 5 screens at least of adverts ;) > > >> 2. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Sponsoring of Rootservers for Mirrors or as webserver= s > > their all servers works fine - no need to. > >> 3. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's webs= ite >> > current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in > every browser. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > Er, how rude? If you can't speak for the Core Team, then don't. Why the noise and sneerin= g? Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:06:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477D61065675 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:06:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCC08FC1C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:06:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4794907bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:06:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=E4PFxLJd3RIN1WzfU0B03UK/tY86G6cBGowQ5BLdSQA=; b=Y7hxck1o5Rc3P2H8a6iNRh28JW/MeLNVV3FO8DUM68G738tYJgjPvrFPgZ+jsdN6QH rWF6f4kKgTZt3W+vR44Y3NBW7Jn2rZhz+InGYlZmdpt3UoN+LkN0C2UeFCM/ihFH5PFQ wO8n5mOjQRHTw4f8PJUKXza84ivzbWtFRU7RQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Alny/VAVykBY2kepXYH7UCGPlF/c4QGi6fmZ1PJ/q2zYr1uasO5vVNDFkXvHplgbVB wJcpTbp5BIAArrY1Lq16C3bPA9/m9S9wFriOefJUwmnPIs6sRPynjFPXICuUcHcKlBAW 82J0Zzw/2Ay6OKENqBIM+2UsCBZ6st+jfZ0vU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.70 with SMTP id c6mr60234bkr.144.1243436763895; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:06:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1D48CC.4080705@ibctech.ca> References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D468F.8000506@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310905270701v7427c092u2edfe6b42b5bc15d@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D48CC.4080705@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:06:03 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905270806s9ac42fdp30c5988262f81a2f@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:06:07 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Glen Barber wrote: >> Steve, >> >> Just out of curiosity, what function did 'radius' serve? > > RADIUS ;) > I didn't think it could be that easy. :) -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:16:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE1C10658E4 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983F08FC1C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4805732bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xnqW95kcBXwcvgNOBqHufnx7a9mPgxROzP2vt2/vCcE=; b=UGEyS/zYBu34azMOrKqwS/3Jlerd14w37OpG+SIsl1lODHj/tMr5voGSJFJ3kPm7F2 /Gwi76dek+On37unbeUK5+CR370C8/YNj/ky/GV18cjxRGr0UABzLpNNs+dmzCAEsEA7 LcPfcnEWRFMtp3uDBtXFkPGq/AZW9Udk/DTOk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZDRLKnqH3sCb52bS7T0rf59+IFAB5Jxh9dHavr8OcIZlmPt+8QqKaXrr5E6T3Hm4gk h1O7YDs8TCFXbEpK3Q4EZd4yGCLQm3VYjLKdrvQlr+uoLZaFwNvI9cZ0ri+o0SfdhijI lu43GpvzdaSxZHy7JLkyXAkwr7mbs8DD71Zuc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.0.73 with SMTP id 51mr39261wea.52.1243436044610; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1D45AB.2080506@secnap.net> References: <4A1D45AB.2080506@secnap.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:54:04 -0400 Message-ID: <54db43990905270754g2a904f34g1e244d64f96bae51@mail.gmail.com> From: Bob Johnson To: Michael Scheidell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: something broke last night. www.freebsd.org offline? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:16:13 -0000 On 5/27/09, Michael Scheidell wrote: > none of my freebsd systems can surf to www.freebsd.org anymore. > > host www.freebsd.org > www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33 > telnet www.freebsd.org 80 > Trying 69.147.83.33... > > on macos. > just hangs. I see the same thing. I don't think the problem is with his system. $ host www.freebsd.org www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33 www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21 www.freebsd.org mail is handled by 0 . $ telnet www.freebsd.org 80 Trying 69.147.83.33... does nothing. It looks like perhaps yahoo is dropping our packets: $ traceroute www.freebsd.org traceroute to www.freebsd.org (69.147.83.33), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 001-152-227-128.unnamed.eng.ufl.edu (128.227.152.1) 0.341 ms 0.313 ms 0.327 ms 2 128.227.45.241 (128.227.45.241) 0.432 ms 0.379 ms 0.370 ms 3 ctx36-nexus-msfc-1-v43-1.ns.ufl.edu (128.227.236.29) 0.431 ms 0.530 ms 0.421 ms 4 ctx36-ewan-msfc-1-v50-1.ns.ufl.edu (128.227.236.86) 0.495 ms 0.493 ms 0.464 ms 5 128.227.0.97 (128.227.0.97) 0.474 ms 0.512 ms 0.480 ms 6 jax-flrcore-7609-1-te31-1806.net.flrnet.org (198.32.155.93) 22.181 ms 51.552 ms 49.658 ms 7 orl-flrcore-7609-1-te21-1.net.flrnet.org (198.32.155.2) 13.231 ms 13.284 ms 13.289 ms 8 mia-flrcore-7609-1-gi12-1.net.flrnet.org (198.32.124.143) 13.373 ms 13.911 ms 13.882 ms 9 nota.bas2.dce.yahoo.com (198.32.124.115) 18.469 ms 13.336 ms 13.330 ms 10 so-1-1-0.pat1.da3.yahoo.com (216.115.101.0) 41.589 ms 41.614 ms 41.600 ms 11 ae1.pat2.da3.yahoo.com (216.115.105.163) 42.018 ms 41.864 ms 41.814 ms 12 as1.pat2.sjc.yahoo.com (216.115.101.151) 86.935 ms 86.555 ms 86.512 ms 13 ae1-p161.msr1.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.63) 87.049 ms 86.950 ms ae1-p171.msr2.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.87) 86.777 ms 14 ge-1-47.bas-b1.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.45) 87.212 ms ge-1-41.bas-b2.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.33) 87.142 ms ge-1-47.bas-b1.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.45) 87.376 ms 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * Compare that to freebsd.org (without the www.): $ traceroute freebsd.org traceroute to freebsd.org (69.147.83.40), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 001-152-227-128.unnamed.eng.ufl.edu (128.227.152.1) 0.380 ms 0.320 ms 0.316 ms 2 128.227.45.241 (128.227.45.241) 0.543 ms 0.573 ms 0.492 ms 3 ctx36-nexus-msfc-1-v43-1.ns.ufl.edu (128.227.236.29) 0.425 ms 0.409 ms 0.391 ms 4 ctx36-ewan-msfc-1-v50-1.ns.ufl.edu (128.227.236.86) 0.491 ms 0.461 ms 0.457 ms 5 128.227.0.97 (128.227.0.97) 0.492 ms 0.467 ms 0.460 ms 6 jax-flrcore-7609-1-te31-1806.net.flrnet.org (198.32.155.93) 6.198 ms 5.985 ms 5.933 ms 7 orl-flrcore-7609-1-te21-1.net.flrnet.org (198.32.155.2) 13.370 ms 13.279 ms 13.627 ms 8 mia-flrcore-7609-1-gi12-1.net.flrnet.org (198.32.124.143) 13.357 ms 13.440 ms 13.373 ms 9 nota.bas2.dce.yahoo.com (198.32.124.115) 13.234 ms 15.855 ms 13.211 ms 10 so-1-1-0.pat1.da3.yahoo.com (216.115.101.0) 41.623 ms 41.380 ms 41.543 ms 11 ae1.pat2.da3.yahoo.com (216.115.105.163) 41.944 ms 41.636 ms 41.645 ms 12 as1.pat2.sjc.yahoo.com (216.115.101.151) 86.337 ms 86.170 ms 86.149 ms 13 ae1-p161.msr1.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.63) 86.777 ms ae1-p171.msr2.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.87) 86.577 ms ae0-p161.msr1.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.59) 86.996 ms 14 ge-1-46.bas-b2.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.51) 88.098 ms ge-1-41.bas-b2.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.33) 86.831 ms ge-1-46.bas-b1.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.43) 86.921 ms 15 freefall.freebsd.org (69.147.83.40) 86.617 ms 86.754 ms 86.816 ms - Bob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:20:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3791065978 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:20:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018038FC0A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RFKDZi052497; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:20:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RFKDQV052494; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:20:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:20:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:20:26 -0000 > Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him. as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:27:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6FC106567A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2B98FC2D for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:27:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9AAB802D; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:25:53 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1243437953; bh=kUQ5gAX1h2MwyDA1ry0SLQtS1bM1KmMql5/q6lRYDS0=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NbunI5bmcH9aGlw03frjP42jjr+jGfBlDcu9LmMbAtZt0Px7ZJvCnAf9INzf3FkGv uwgu4cEigAUwHjkf8+/fsLAQIrDXXyEyk336oa9SR0XAJmW7lp9cvBQUe3ityl8Hid RNQ4hQBUJ/szj9iR8fW9VGljWKjecuSBdpK82Jyw= Received: from relay.lc-words.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.lc-words.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93338-07; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:25:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BFEB801F; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:25:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 77.254.171.13 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:25:53 +0200 Message-ID: <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:25:53 +0200 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Wojciech Puchar" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:27:05 -0000 Hi there, > as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a good thing after all... -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:27:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419C51065673 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:27:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E328FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:27:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4817559bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:27:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pa4S1MPysQbbOPRAFLWrtFr8bK1hLnHMiMGJUh0blwE=; b=rqfRhJL6zCbiXnQH7FqYflfQZUvd63FkFuDzLVLg0I8JvQevMeLj0THR98mm0R1ZqW q01DO0a4Qq0Z8GT/mH5HQRI9st6g8+80wPw/jnaVjXV05P7iHe8g32nGl95gaFIvkk52 lwz8C8d8Eej4mVzZguuntwmcWi0zy4rfeAqSM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CNOLpcbt8XF+qSWvrb47gehYu6BZKAMtnEzh87Jjk4oKNme2CisRuIp1KVdMzW0GQ5 yj+2+8frv+duIqmYG/4eqZn94lGncuMFa1twJjOw7rTEH4UCrribvHivXqe7Ty0ml4u7 OimSFsrZqAdAut7uMm461zdDwWQMFL6XxJlKY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.123.136 with SMTP id p8mr109280bkr.21.1243438048548; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:27:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:27:08 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:27:30 -0000 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >> Kian: This guy doesn't speak for the majority, so please ignore him. > > as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. > But the email was not addressed to you, nor was it asking your opinion. Or do you consider yourself a member of the FreeBSD Team? Do you actually know anything about the state of the servers? Do you actually know that the site works for *everybody*, and that it's the best possible? Do you have the authority to tell people who generously offer THEIR money, THEIR time, and THEIR servers to the Project to go stuff it, and that their offers are inadequate? Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially scare off a sponsor? I'm sure the Team are going to be very grateful. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:32:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F9B106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from fl.us.spammertrap.net (mx1.bct.ionspam.net [204.89.241.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4F58FC0A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scheidell@secnap.net) Received: from localhost (mx1.bct.ionspam.net [204.89.241.173]) by mx1.bct.ionspam.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D14416FC0 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:32:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=secnap.net; h= content-type:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :user-agent:from:date:message-id; s=dkim; t=1243438370; x= 1245252770; bh=8lwR0vM/0bPhMNS1mDNt2RrBzhIExtR992zgmMjz9d8=; b=c BkUmgchz5dpDMZpMQqYyj1bFavjfFBN/Os5DU+NRbR1qQp3jUEnFWa3NH+XOcozd +J5S5XBZ58FcKX6jqpHmFki89JjW6yVownYPm9P8QqlCZXcaSIprQx4YJi64vLZl MB9fhtTGNu0dP7V31iq76RkRzHGtqtRmKtchNgzwdw= X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) - mx1.bct.ionspam.net X-Virus-Scanned: SpammerTrap(r) VPS-1500 2.03 at mx1.bct.ionspam.net Received: from secnap3.secnap.com (secnap3.secnap.com [204.89.241.130]) by mx1.bct.ionspam.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276EC416FB6 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mikes-laptop.secnap.com ([10.70.3.3]) by secnap3.secnap.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 27 May 2009 11:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: <4A1D5D2D.3050802@secnap.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:33:01 -0400 From: Michael Scheidell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Johnson References: <4A1D45AB.2080506@secnap.net> <54db43990905270754g2a904f34g1e244d64f96bae51@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <54db43990905270754g2a904f34g1e244d64f96bae51@mail.gmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2009 15:32:49.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[649AB1B0:01C9DEE0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: something broke last night. www.freebsd.org offline? 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For Information please see http://www.secnap.com/products/spammertrap/ _________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:41:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B67106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B608FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so2472631qwe.7 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/CfInndIDDvkc3+1lERCJhYlXT9SJ8ezXGhNvwmDdSE=; b=x88QvnEhugUgmnor78cEWMqQ0dj/8XispGVFI1REwpNlCgzhl/xqOVtN4jhxQ5K4wz XXrbDJ7RVIH1RV7C/YSPdc0mC/5AHBfbeyt8CwM4e2NWz4dwc6nYiLlY/gjlHa8X4i4S bcYBI/fRYBq5tp0BCF9EvWTaJfZX+4dWXZXHI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=MSDpHbTgsIPSO6QXs+vjkmZx36IFoqujluuvxgKzNfSRCzYZVJ9TaWHMtmZM26efFy TPkjEV90Z/6Ue9QTbF+eotC6xhTwf1eKTcXQWnCGjSr1GlTxalBk8ihmS4uZdfqQdyKW 7OOSmr5yukledkXcLUs9ZpzqzXcMQIVGY5vsA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.99.208 with SMTP id v16mr150252qcn.75.1243438866082; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:06 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905270841u6483fe76k56de074ae970252@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Setting up a cloud space server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:07 -0000 I have a lot of disk space on one of my remote dedicated FreeBSD servers, and I'd like to resell it as cloud space. Is there a program that does something like this? Specifically: % Makes the disk space available through standard cloud protocols % Calculates how much space/bandwidth each user uses etc? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:41:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446571065676 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38AF8FC21 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so6684851qyk.3 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xgpKm+8Q3guGnKalZb5Sj04+7EhRwR1RAt4KOu+K0H0=; b=UMaAbbvw11nOP1KnNtqxS7/SNfaymVlEYsUNzAG7nULNXlcaq8PqZ9YWFk/DRTmd7Z fQn9qrhYXgsRi1+M+t6XQW7XcSBo4io8/RAWXPnd/2kQIC6ChKRE62DS4+8hGye9d8eS Cgp6+1shozRXOUYyzlO5UvNgjRXvtjUkDlj88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NpR01K2EXPEJAxI+U1j5CydOKE2vEYMtmYciIDlOHUqwDWiKdv/su1TOYpGySAyNyl ACEanHYZjFtz1ns8S6kI1XsM/f9MpeP44LBYyDtnWEJc5mJbhKNPDLa+VkRlA0uvGqak B+/lI4+1e2bklSC3TOQ9HzKwDMFKWu87lzKYQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.80.1 with SMTP id r1mr135865qck.93.1243438916122; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:56 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905270841l9a28ec9n9d33ec9665cd01c0@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Formatted text conversion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:57 -0000 I have e-books in several formats (DOC, LIT, PDF, RTF, HTML, TXT, etc). Is there a Unix command-line tool that converts between these formats? If not, is there at least a tool that converts these formats to TXT? My goal is to read these books on my Kindle, even if it means losing some formatting/bells/whistles. -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:47:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6175F1065678 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97E18FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1017806ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:47:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HHf0IyojjIF2MYM3otha4gpkGOaQG9hAg0p9LAmD0FA=; b=dfQFImvBnSDft0D4HSd0GvG5bzwB3pWYveWMt1XITUfQEz5+gtnC+UejhOmlvyOzQv n0X0wrDklYcmA1nISZQETL23Ow3Y+y7eDdbJhk7klnumdXdBmf4o0x6NzkwSBkNWXq8E q5qHZ+hw+pqt00BPCe9+cRugUzPCvIqF1WIP4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=DZ4VhXgarDDiR0Oi3VsMPbsNVv6tS5wCQulI0fkYErSjACKli48wR+p9CNn7JDDbxF 1NjmRElHxjaKilKovrxNxFM69xfiVtNE3kAEJtTdAKE6x4FYLTtzsvg0kTIigxiWUiN+ hpwEifbygwzcRrynn3wwHBWAhrPpe/piBQMSY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.62.3 with SMTP id k3mr58567eba.53.1243437702303; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:21:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:47:05 -0000 All, I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. I cd'ed into the /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then performed 'patch Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA55410656C3 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782268FC1E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107901FB06 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:48:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ET8K8UI5QIqn for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:48:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2E451FAFF for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:48:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:48:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <4A1CD688.4020604@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905271048.27837.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:48:34 -0000 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 09:52:42 am Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > ZFS should work on i386. As far as I know there aren't any killer bugs > > that are architecture specific, but I'm no expert. Unless your aim is to > > learn > unless someone assume than size of pointers are 4 bytes, and write program > in C, there will work as good in 64-bit mode and in 32-bit mode. Wojciech, I have to ask: are you actually a programmer or are you repeating things you've read elsewhere? I can think of a whole list of reasons why code written to target a 64-bit system would be non-trivial to port to 32-bit, particularly if performance is an issue. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:48:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF22410656AD for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E1A8FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4835849bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:48:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PiLehp9ijXjSanoIBsoLYk7GFVbOHnBgaP27r1G9FcI=; b=bihVonzOOYTAnFrPChLkVASEIfOSfi8QdiCTcT1XZuxwDtzvlFcFGyGAB8kyBzKBs+ R2RNZnGkasyJQ6mgC2izvVuf06Ym4zUfulE8bMsjVivu66Kcj4nA/8z4uitr3VJb6mbP 1YdTmHpkmmMWWULXwtkB6hIvqT2x4f/OM2M/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BuPNxnsXL0EmhkMlEbtSk/09DxuJIbcQcar8zzYTmbT+tdunUriykQPAqTCguP//Xf pLKoYkGBouwGFBGYGCHajuvBs0CriM9gNvGDSq7ONaueYIURtHwgd48z8qUnWQv9jQyG FajoPScqRfAgDEFfG8W62yFjR6hag4WsHE6so= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.102 with SMTP id f38mr116274bkk.62.1243439329140; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:48:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:48:29 +0100 Message-ID: To: Kurt Buff , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:48:51 -0000 2009/5/27 Kurt Buff : > All, > > I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the > authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small > problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. > > I cd'ed into the > /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then > performed 'patch > Then I did a make, but got no output. > > So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Which directory did you run the make in? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:50:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB0C106568A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@kfs.ru) Received: from kfs.ru (kfs.kfs.ru [194.186.81.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA85B8FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:50:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@kfs.ru) Received: from bsam by kfs.ru with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1M9L01-0005ek-Ji; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:25:01 +0400 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:25:01 +0400 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:19 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: "Boris B. Samorodov" Cc: "Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH" , "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:50:27 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:19 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > 1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD > add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be > interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. No, any financial contributions are welcome. > if they would mention companies for 50$ then www.freebsd.org would be > unreadable completely as there will be 5 screens at least of adverts > ;) All financial contributors for the last three years are listed here: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:50:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C2A10656C2 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1298A8FC24 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so6695153qyk.3 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:50:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ktgGOfbBr4s/07qhHhzy1KjMD/r0yNWlWggg2CL3WVw=; b=LcXJ2xSCzi2m9k+9wz5LvxD1IyvEhy6dZdpFAgmARCBeOd7vrFXHDlBj/IHqFJPRfR yKEBpsPlX8Od3zBsNEGhCGNdSbSjC40msJ7TeL0o5ZbRmwViBKQDrz4XLzTS6g5Ca5DN Qxj6hJQcJzaksDi4wn0uOjMf8qbb+MZfYc4hk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=mLDJtfZ7P1SNzhQf0mdJ1bsqf6GY1aAFtenweTlyuFrUsm8cLg3O9GzC2AeojwbRV2 Oq17wWwh2SSorpdnawepXATlvTHAvRS6Dia8sCTfSEfJX5gzL6pEQRn1xUKy5wlit0da iRxFk87qB2mqoENDAAutsvjBMkyptaWoqzZDI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.134 with SMTP id y6mr182180qcn.27.1243439448197; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:50:48 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905270850i3d5585fap585c3eb8806c4274@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: VM server sharing (OT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:50:49 -0000 Has anyone setup a VM server sharing arrangement, whereby I run some of their vmdk files on my VM server, and they run some of my vmdk files on their VM server? VM servers are great, but if the whole server (or its network) goes down, there's no redundancy. VM server sharing would allow people to clone their production servers w/ network/geographic diversity. -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:55:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4316E1065697 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6662A8FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RFsrBj052774; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:54:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RFsqhx052771; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:54:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:54:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kurt Buff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:55:03 -0000 > > I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the > authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small > problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. i think it's best to add your patch to /usr/ports/blah/blah/files with name patch-something look at existing as an example From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:56:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C5C10656B4 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08598FC1B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RFuHnt052788; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RFuHaP052785; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:56:25 -0000 > > Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially > scare off a sponsor? never. All i write is always unconstructive, rude, stupid and wrong in your opinion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:57:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8D9106570F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:57:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9E98FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RFutZH052795; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RFutMi052792; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:57:02 -0000 > >> as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. > > Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a > good thing after all... Of course - ban it! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 15:58:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D811065731 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:58:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8388FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:58:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RFvgRv052814; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:57:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RFvgYW052811; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:57:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:57:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Boris Samorodov In-Reply-To: <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH" , "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:58:02 -0000 >> add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be >> interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. > > No, any financial contributions are welcome. they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:00:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4079E1065728 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:00:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6568FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:00:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so120972fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=z6XxGW/Y/PFSYx6Y4wjpyUFNtpcIcdkUwlvZ9J3jSfE=; b=hNn6KhPtTMzDKlpCEEkayWKDDcQwnl0S/Y5S/T2OZL3nJkC1gr9vDqhzX16qLTvwNw G+HacVwEsUfsF8kunRPD/4KaX7uSuDEiaTh7luGG0X2n9wP1Sj5PTEPp0tJYYYFRwUnr V1xg4B2pUQoG3og4kF7dht9FwIDeHxNSaxO3c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XzJiSoVHfWFOnzWADNnMfhxlNgMTJ4DSMjVOVa0rTJHdTpXfmWDeJvgYjXzfH9Y769 TUWr01LbTpwzzZm6LEroJ7j+AVwOIE9GISveOs2xPQyoO218kZO8Vc9DcKx1mkN4wqsO OKdjsze7AR+OSUhAhs0yK3phgHKi27u2330UU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.72 with SMTP id o8mr90951bkh.210.1243440003356; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:00:03 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905270900n719d418cp38d3907a5b7a6e72@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:00:06 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote something useless, again...: >> >> Did you even add anything constructive, or did you just potentially >> scare off a sponsor? > > never. All i write is always unconstructive, rude, stupid and wrong in your > opinion. > Not just his opinion. Will you please stop spamming this thread with nonsense, so the OP can get a real answer? -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:01:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6611E10657C9 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:01:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay10.ispgateway.de (smtprelay10.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CFF8FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:01:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from [84.186.166.49] (helo=localhost) by smtprelay10.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1M9LYp-0001Se-Jg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:00:59 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:00:56 +0200 From: Fabian Keil To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527180056.41bd2800@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2008-08-18.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/MZP=_4lN2LbwOe0E2ghi06."; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: 775067 Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:01:01 -0000 --Sig_/MZP=_4lN2LbwOe0E2ghi06. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website > > > current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works in= =20 > every browser. Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dwww/91539 Fabian --Sig_/MZP=_4lN2LbwOe0E2ghi06. Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkodY70ACgkQBYqIVf93VJ3sKwCcDm59VbacFT1b92JH27s3/vod U3gAoJwMDdbNZatB4HBFS3smCG88S/UO =Tehw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/MZP=_4lN2LbwOe0E2ghi06.-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:02:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15ED91065754 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C8B8FC20 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:02:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4RG1dOU022041; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:01:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id A5138631C1; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:01:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F889632AD; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:01:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 27 May 2009 11:01:36 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:01:13 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDA9@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Sponsoring FreeBSD Thread-Index: Acne49lMzIng7NaESvyAlwcPpKzRMgAAC+Qw References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Wojciech Puchar" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2009 16:01:36.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[69E07FC0:01C9DEE4] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:02:16 -0000 As humorous and entertaining as this witty banter is, can we k!ll it now - at least from the global list? Please feel free to banter amongst yourselves privately and cc me for my amusement!
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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:03:24 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:04:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DCB10658D4 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DF58FC25 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:04:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4847696bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:04:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MIRIvuMwHjqA4VgYRfLJllgSxJ8EhruTsGskVO5OKTA=; b=RAA+c3DAnUQzxH3ia+kEKQwytj6lGTH44xiTxq/fSiUnaJyB7Ys/gZCKYNP42xJ+CY zcxAg8Axioj15UO8SiMQkBSQb4n8O2H0PMbOOB2VQoH22orenMV6xkIMz3huTZb8K+A/ Q6GXYX9Q9XRCAXWrTZw5vQxskPXCjEyO3en3s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HEgc4LgypmaOdbsOnNGP63ynq+kUPwnfI1fJ52qJ/hD859kydkwVpmyUnW7OdKPSCe JchwxNTVtfjNLxxxuA1/An0Njyorb0/RP2Y9veBBymjMz0u6mHTP77SFWROU9L7iHU3Q lHW1nA8CSNrz29tKOV4YigRbufBIM1C0t4rmU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.70 with SMTP id c6mr109623bkr.144.1243440240173; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:04:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <26face530905270850i3d5585fap585c3eb8806c4274@mail.gmail.com> References: <26face530905270850i3d5585fap585c3eb8806c4274@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:04:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905270904k5d887654vd5a3a076503c694b@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Kelly Jones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VM server sharing (OT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:04:02 -0000 Hi, Kelly On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Kelly Jones wrote: > Has anyone setup a VM server sharing arrangement, whereby I run some > of their vmdk files on my VM server, and they run some of my vmdk > files on their VM server? > > VM servers are great, but if the whole server (or its network) goes > down, there's no redundancy. VM server sharing would allow people to > clone their production servers w/ network/geographic diversity. > Interesting idea, however there is a lot of security risk here (credit card number for customers, private internal corporate data, etc). Any thoughts on how such data could be kept secure? -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:05:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E4B1065765 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:05:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF0C8FC19 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:05:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1033421ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:05:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VHt6KWf2/NTESUN2NI82Lu8qG3Gn7K5vqT3d1EUxT34=; b=EWSnEVpL127RPwr0hfBQvfej0Fq8fvt6+tIsvd021Bf9lgzb70vz3sNMedaS63oZu3 EstTOAK6DhmxrRwUuXoXYIbetTItOANmbvVmUqKhJFY9aiwfXxjeFlX13FvKuuHvT46j RN0Z6qMYEbKEgc6Hgt2qcedX0I5lC+QeH3NDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gcPGY63iVW1bkLbwlNjn4EDvW5Hf0eC0tGpn3TJtZGxpSldk9EzUH+LU4QvXl74+7q f6EXf0LD+tz8TILio/InDmfKtFT6bIRveR87YUZKQ2nCngFhv5f3TolVH8T+ePl/vrer EsoIJP1ddLWp22m2JJ5Db+ee1FAaeLO64uBUA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.87.14 with SMTP id k14mr103042ebb.38.1243440346577; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:05:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:05:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: utisoft@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:05:48 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 08:48, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/5/27 Kurt Buff : >> All, >> >> I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the >> authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small >> problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. >> >> I cd'ed into the >> /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then >> performed 'patch > >> Then I did a make, but got no output. >> >> So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? >> >> Kurt >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Which directory did you run the make in? > > Chris /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM% From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:09:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9F61065677 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D108FC1D for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4851905bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:09:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JFjRe7ATLkAxMm9kscXgwVXfe23/DPaf/5+bXPKauK0=; b=e6AONP5yOOr7y5emILQ67BQndiZdjpb89p/yac1Y7S1ZSZ5MYLvuZ4JiL6izvuvM82 dNsAz/K8AD/0as9Q0vKTAO5yf4UtdYLuntVc641JDZK5L2mc/GLlaxUTTDTH2rqzxCb0 6BXkE8Xilz1xNCHuYazHcoFExjY3dJMZdWVgA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=c0XglHcPmI5iZ7QKuEoQU5ldWN4Gks1uwSKXh4J5PNbUHfcohXmhsl2p9IrbfTCoxy SBSqZRDiqifKe9kiH2bnP6VANUEar5FqFyKLGwaKEh5nT23KbEdu1GhZb7qEIpRrCHyu whf22pMX8buy7biVXLWDgInZD3CkKl0vVX+TA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.142 with SMTP id r14mr99976bkq.197.1243440565130; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:09:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:05 +0100 Message-ID: To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:09:27 -0000 2009/5/26 Polytropon : > Jerry, > > please excuse my reply, but I think you're not right, and > unfair. Atleast in Germany, they let a "computer literate friend" do this, because they are not able to, not willing to, or just too lazy. :-) > -- > Polytropon > >From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... It's not just in Germany... in the UK too. Seriously, why give up on something because it takes an hour or two out of your day, and carry on the ~seven minute reboot-to-'Windows'-cycle out of laziness? Sounds counter-productive and defeatist. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:21:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C3E1065675 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:21:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDF08FC1E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1046331ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:21:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VKxowNFKaUvw3zKSrObd5Aad0x9Cc2H3kK0UT6letLc=; b=V+qmXm5M6KX84E3tH0HJCNnbqeUsUNSCVV5FZuqsnk2FsDCVy0Oepq7ompjYWMoyEV +9akzMh6QUWl6f7vOHTYPaNm0yNzGP3aE1SqiWFY//dVvd5z8ROycmD06641H2/5u7bh Ft8YtB5/ESzRsb5pdMi7Kr88B83FkEWHTwt6A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eXIsq8DSpiVWgsDV/C0kioTDo3CzhSL/H1wYkh2pFnD/5S30pb/Q1Ru/lQr9GWV0oZ fl7gLTlIZlYBh23KS79ZdKdnuNyv9TVTTp3RbaLc6xv/isWGVPMJDxsyAQBhAOdR+3BC R/IiZKES/iankhHvYOOfZxNzsVLzMvDObnpJE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.88.3 with SMTP id l3mr1886027ebb.46.1243441296050; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:21:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:21:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Fwd: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:21:43 -0000 I really should learn to hit reply-all on these lists... Kurt On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 08:54, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the >> authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small >> problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. > > i think it's best to add your patch to /usr/ports/blah/blah/files > > with name patch-something > > look at existing as an example That didn't seem to work. However, I've deleted the work directory after placing patch as you suggested, and am watching 'make' do its thing - after starting script to record the session. I should be able to examine that and see if it does as you think. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:21:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E9C106567C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364208FC34 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4861269bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:21:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9xjIm+bF6hW6trYnb4Adgh8yXNJ6u5UtcfGHXnB11v4=; b=PhNhkMKSshjwRophSgjTo+70FYf7FHxPCRI/qMCuKRBYOpat/usabQBZBZ6yjeflaH Iw/KjNLQL+DZ8Y/qTIrJYFUtPa1GnuNi/aSw36YGW683BrmAX1zRQyc9dk2aSztNYALk pWvwdNA4Uvoxh/fuX7hj+cpiYnq6FGSsZpt4U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bGsbcL1X/zTCbplOe3AXdwymnkzpA563nMIw8wZ8Q7tL/T2Hv8m8C2/5BSvg7zB/mk Zne+VQCdeEi3k1MqOiHevIzRmtqa7Q/MRnDO1WduMO53Yh057IbyYfme880/+Jp9dG9i 2u6fX7Do3GMzWiDMBmLpq0BQwvwYy/pcRtY6g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.31.74 with SMTP id x10mr154595bkc.7.1243441306116; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:21:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090526180435.GA3980@thought.org> References: <20090526180435.GA3980@thought.org> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:21:26 +0100 Message-ID: To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: turning [x]html files into .odt files. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:21:54 -0000 2009/5/26 Gary Kline : > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This may or may not be of interest to anybody who creates = professional > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0typeset-looking manuscripts. =A0I use vi as I have for 30 = years simply > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0because my fingers know it. =A0I can keep fingers on keybo= ard rather than > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0switch back and forth to mouse. =A0Last night I used a ver= y short php/html > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0file that used HTML and converted it [[[EVENTUALLY]]] to t= he open desktop > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0format. =A0Just now I wrote a one sentence file, a2oofile,= using vi/nvi: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"Good morning, people. =A0It is so *great* to be back home= ." > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Then using File -> Export, saved it as a2oofile.odt. > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*) atom a2oofile =A0[ creates a2oofile.html ] > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The a2oofile.html file is: > > > > > > =A0 > =A0 =A0 =A0<!your title here --> =A0 > =A0 =A0 > =A0 > > > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > >

> “Good morning, people. =A0It is so great to be back home.&= rdquo; > > > > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*) Then switer a2oofile.html > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*) File -> Export [and select to save as the ODT] and you = have a2oofile.odt > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I began writing my ascii to markup suite in 1994; it was d= esigned to do > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ONE =A0thing: to =A0*word* into word. =A0I've add= ed only the left and > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0right quotes. =A0atom does nothing else. =A0i have tweaked= it for 15 years; > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0never gave to it ports because I hate writing the docs. = =A0Anybody > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0interested in handing the port, please let me know. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0gary > > > > -- > =A0Gary Kline =A0kline@thought.org =A0http://www.thought.org =A0Public Se= rvice Unix > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://jottings.thought.org =A0 http://transfinite.thought= .org > =A0 =A0The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.p= hp > In a few days, I'll have a fair bit of spare time. I can make a port then, if no-one more experienced wants to snap it up. Like your Jottings, by the way. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:22:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637CA106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:22:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF208FC1C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:21:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4A2B803F; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:44 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1243441245; bh=BpcV8O3qpsjzaPeOmBSFXS7W2mQnSTU1KnOqvx0CtWY=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rXfOoKIfq0qZt5eRyu+V4/lq2PtFs80AyAvWoE6FxZolvn7yMp/yGA/GpifKSTdSl EeTF4ZuwTq3p9GXwJKIzobTTPC+qvvxjfoy1z94q1lSM7b7tPqiSkqtc60767JXwY4 lt1aDXyMGOVFEsa787QeXETKBwP1q0eP15LRQwj0= Received: from relay.lc-words.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.lc-words.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03305-01; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEB4B803D; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 77.254.171.13 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:44 +0200 Message-ID: <0e9816ca5425550de4e82aeb60e36751.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:44 +0200 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Wojciech Puchar" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:22:00 -0000 >> Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such >> a >> good thing after all... > > Of course - ban it! One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering hosting but every time someone on this lists says "hello" and wants to either learn or help with the development, you scare them off as if you owned this project. This is frustrating to say the least. And what is worse you really enjoy it! -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:24:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E988B10656E4 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1B18FC29 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:24:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RGO0rW053025; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:24:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RGNwjY053022; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:24:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:23:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kurt Buff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Fwd: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:24:10 -0000 >> with name patch-something >> >> look at existing as an example > > That didn't seem to work. what exactly doesn't? could you please post error messages? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:25:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6FB106576F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:25:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E518FC29 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RGOu7M053038; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:24:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RGOuXG053035; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:24:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:24:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: <0e9816ca5425550de4e82aeb60e36751.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <0e9816ca5425550de4e82aeb60e36751.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:25:03 -0000 > > One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing > that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering > hosting but every time someone on this lists says "hello" and wants to > either learn or help with the development, you scare them off as if you > owned this project. again - this is your opinion. and IMHO resulting from you replying faster than reading and understanding. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:25:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCF81065918 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F238FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4863917bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kv9geLg1li1N9j+xf+i9/L4tLw+tsz+qAiiUh4IQM7o=; b=GZZCz/ND6+oUDbnC7KiP72MMlNEer+G0in1cKfAOq98Y6vVEyafvU4DUOXWvK0lX+I OdFR6aVe0bxGRuuhLOz7qS2kWgfKl1xCVMTYr06RIERzDOxep4npkTTfho14cAZKOyR/ UwYsostuRsYJPoaTpOwX6z63FPIGuO7dY+RSI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SC35uMBJPZNcSv6Ri2/xED7lS39uvY6rgEs0G34H/E6H+JwijgeDQTCEVf6ZvHOb3O PrjT9QHYeG662Luz3/BUywB2Y+x8+XOjPQIshRL5e4b0j5YzKJ0qLaMObAytCjme6m7w /Nd36riY9pDZp1fniT3LXlZ0gtuq3s98eBoj0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.15 with SMTP id k15mr136158bkq.118.1243441516140; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:24:56 +0100 Message-ID: To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:25:19 -0000 Er, I also need to learn that reply-all skill! This'll make for easy understanding in the Archives.... 2009/5/27 Kurt Buff : > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 08:48, Chris Rees wrote: >> 2009/5/27 Kurt Buff : >>> All, >>> >>> I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the >>> authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small >>> problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. >>> >>> I cd'ed into the >>> /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then >>> performed 'patch >> >>> Then I did a make, but got no output. >>> >>> So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? >>> >>> Kurt >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> Which directory did you run the make in? >> >> Chris > > /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM% > There's the easy fix out the window. Perhaps you should try Wojciech's idea, and put the patch in the /u/p/c/n/files/ directory. Does that work? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:28:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACDA106568E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D367D8FC25 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:27:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4RGRSmv008884; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:27:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 759DA6B107; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:27:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669D96B103; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:27:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 27 May 2009 11:27:28 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:27:04 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDAE@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: something broke last night. www.freebsd.org offline? 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b=oukeUuyFicQUvbswqEvs6bvGnR7gw8nAYkUfNp5uA7Bhl+cp9Vi3duyJNgRcrQg3M4 6/CzUHYPbLR3npOsXDhinW+6xuUTqOWhUYnPVFFYuUUV7H3W6AkvTgoPrvFlP0iTCEsM MvaJPrj7Z7B/vtotCj35NUk8v0qt+hROtV7hM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.102 with SMTP id f38mr150568bkk.62.1243441742116; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:29:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <0e9816ca5425550de4e82aeb60e36751.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:28:42 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:29:04 -0000 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >> >> One of your problems is that you type faster than you think. But the thing >> that really pisses me - YOU MAKE MONEY out of FreeBSD OS by offering >> hosting but every time someone on this lists says "hello" and wants to >> either learn or help with the development, you scare them off as if you >> owned this project. > > again - this is your opinion. and IMHO resulting from you replying faster > than reading and understanding. > > Don't you dare accuse someone of not reading posts properly, you're the WORST culprit of that as you race to be the first to 'help' some poor victim. It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were wrong and apologise. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:29:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D531065731 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAE08FC23 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so142933fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:29:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IGbDZoe59giUBfFYTmQ1Kf6oAlsW3CJhUgIhXC4Cfe8=; b=Hpuu6Svu0T2AovC/++9RQnLpfchGz9MmQzNrIVonjOr/mUIeSzwjLhKWg12EXIEaUr RVWV0Qx3Kn24oiTyXbW3ekWrCoW+NjhLw8QYrkemrndssiS+gIMZaiHCYbunv7uBnePh aFve1DJfgvb/tR9LpzD3FL+QkBaFJWRYkmeRw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DRV6rmb8C9A7nTBM1X5E6lwFhLVJmIttxVuP+zlRK6eAnFiaB8xrgxm/fQAGRk43zy pQo4ShPOrf+Hw0NH7B+rytPFC8ZopnXL6o+pHZDM3tjvS/MbEUyESU0bbvwQbHsv2CY/ JlcfAVb6GqKFnK3IKUC2uTIRdmzGoYBu5zYok= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.68.15 with SMTP id t15mr108020bki.139.1243439998220; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:59:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:59:38 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Boris Samorodov , "Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH" , "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:29:17 -0000 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >>> add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be >>> interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. >> >> No, any financial contributions are welcome. > > they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. Do you know who Boris is? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:32:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E5E10656D1 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960EA8FC2F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:32:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RGW7NB053120; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:32:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RGW7fr053117; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:32:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:32:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <0e9816ca5425550de4e82aeb60e36751.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:32:18 -0000 > > It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT > an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes > an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. > > You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly > stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were > wrong and apologise. > just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU DECIDED SO. please post more :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:39:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CA610656A3 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319A08FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1060528ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:39:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nCcPkU88X5iZYcw0wE3H8xBK/iMZSr/ie3yp8NnS/hk=; b=M3XhMhqbJQg+z4ea3pa7Z89JvECS44OmspyGywZdJzA83H4zrzeDEEM88x95cCGKHx d4QUzIU4MriTGyyCm8JKiR57dmYHMTh3bqEGBsAiiQM+WAohfWhTFXywF15CmUwM5MQn nmANSx3d/BBUhqoSttNpEBjYVuOODNI5VN3W4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aINe92okO9e1sdAMvcTNBBV08hLagR5GsiHAs5yAwVJd1bExZviODpTNDZ+kESnQ/V VrZnT2yJYVieT2C+0GXQfYpgziL2EnpnnCt1B/I4mj51OSrCyjhijNEbUYi4ex6rei9B 07j/h4O/n2YINRqC89Q5hPPjR4LL/5Ri3KMGY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.28.18 with SMTP id b18mr125898ebb.64.1243442349472; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:39:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:39:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Fwd: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:39:15 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:23, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> with name patch-something >>> >>> look at existing as an example >> >> That didn't seem to work. > > what exactly doesn't? could you please post error messages? There were no error messages. Then, being the incredibly brilliant person I am, I tried again, this time after taking the blindingly obvious step of deleting the 'work' directory. This seems to be a key part of the process. The patch doesn't install correctly, as the make process generates the following: HttpHeader.cc:127: error: 'ftSTr' was not declared in this scope *** Error code 1 and halts after a few more errors, but at least that indicates that *something* is happening with the patch file. This smells like progress. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:40:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9BE106567E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7A78FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RGeqmP053175; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:40:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RGepWx053172; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:40:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:40:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <200905271048.27837.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <4A1CD688.4020604@infracaninophile.co.uk> <200905271048.27837.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:41:00 -0000 >> in C, there will work as good in 64-bit mode and in 32-bit mode. > > Wojciech, I have to ask: are you actually a programmer or are you repeating yes i am. if you are interested i wrote programs for x86, ARM (ARM7TDMI), MIPS32 (4Kc), and once for alpha. I have quite good knowledge for ARM and MIPS assembly, for x86 - quite outdated as i wrote my last assembly program when 486 was new CPU. > things you've read elsewhere? you probably mistaken me with some poeple on that list that do this. If you are reading my posts on that list (and maybe others) you know that the last thing i do is to repeat and repeat know and popular opinions :) > I can think of a whole list of reasons why code > written to target a 64-bit system would be non-trivial to port to 32-bit, you talk about performance or if it work at all? i already wrote a lot of programs, and after moving to 64-bit (amd64) only one wasn't working just after recompiling, because i assumed that pointer is 4 byte long. do you have any other examples of code non-portability between amd64 and i386? I say "between amd64 and i386" because there are more issues with other archs, where for example non-aligned memory access is not allowed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:41:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2751065677 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51348FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so2590633ywe.13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:41:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NxQM1bu6fFowleNmsXEZui3FiB6dIG1Ovi+KZztZZck=; b=Yzx5OeMHTGJwsVuAgajc+m9g+Zo31ot3Lzk4lAytn2c+mp87tRja2i9CBPyarkBAvf pA3UFcYsZf7bire07O/Brc/jxuLgAMT7wG0x1+WIhVDJ8FqdMdVWY4bSLyIrMP9xksl/ yC0w3gOF0T7KS0qlvi6QEUGApAnjgmYGF7+SA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Kk96eGNIf12oVVQbWrZMSD1IPU178Fld8I4tj1KVNIEd49dMXZsS9AKF9u3ZkQVtnx MlyV3jh1aOBTtJhQwBObIvbmgugJo2F8PinSNJJ7Q8P+WpMliDs7cY/ptjNPPpQh82gR PtZipFBaq8Q+HQOig5q0WXm7RhRp1OEkbhBJQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.136.15 with SMTP id j15mr519548ybd.260.1243442501881; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:41:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <0e9816ca5425550de4e82aeb60e36751.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:41:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:41:43 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT >> an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes >> an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. >> >> You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly >> stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were >> wrong and apologise. >> > just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU > DECIDED SO. How many "opinions" do you need before you start taking this seriously? Please add me to the list of those who find many (if not all) of opinionated comments to be obnoxious. -Neal > > please post more :) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:42:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023931065672 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB2D8FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:41:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RGfqgV053188; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:41:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RGfqxZ053185; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:41:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:41:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kurt Buff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Fwd: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:42:00 -0000 > time after taking the blindingly obvious step of deleting the 'work' > directory. > > This seems to be a key part of the process. > > The patch doesn't install correctly, as the make process generates the it installs correctly for sure :) as you don't see errors > following: > > HttpHeader.cc:127: error: 'ftSTr' was not declared in this scope > *** Error code 1 > > and halts after a few more errors, but at least that indicates that > *something* is happening with the patch file. > > This smells like progress. just patch a patch :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:42:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798A8106567A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9038FC1C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RGgnVs053196; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:42:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RGgmsH053193; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:42:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:42:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Neal Hogan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <0e9816ca5425550de4e82aeb60e36751.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:42:56 -0000 >>> stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were >>> wrong and apologise. >>> >> just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU >> DECIDED SO. > > How many "opinions" do you need before you start taking this seriously? rather - from whom, now how. quality, not quantity counts :) > > Please add me to the list of those who find many (if not all) of > opinionated comments to be obnoxious. add my address yourself to .procmailrc or whatever you use. because i From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:44:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544561065680 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DA98FC1F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so153683fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:44:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PJKp8M7xhzeMXr8+ZW5kp3sZy3tn+f9EG2+Z9uhXog4=; b=obx746T5jDdPHAwg7ZsjcN9sLkbRtFfW6m2tUv1wUjXHkQpYftpZXQUifr3c8xn3th yTp4rzB4MaGec916KzsQzpy54lCR+79FqP22CKz3P1XaYoa3HqoiLYLfgJj+3jvz7ba7 SUuUNYALLkr/vu42uqE77qOGATymdafnwzfIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=KOlNElIVqOjy3wCbvMmCWdo9UDpgFSIayOvcNnjQT95JDQcDSr2rE4hJRNZGCNYMQj Xh5YociTqrxr9bqC45f5hMdV80IqtlUWLIEG2+FV3qyQefi5eh5zF47jW5fNbYdacYdS PrRiM4RZULPfH+WzbqC6h6x1beVSOs21rXQSw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.68 with SMTP id w4mr152657bkh.122.1243442643635; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:44:03 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:06 -0000 This is enough. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT >> an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes >> an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. >> >> You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly >> stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were >> wrong and apologise. >> > just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU > DECIDED SO. > > please post more :) You continuously do this. You post responses to posts that (as previously stated) scare off users and, in this case, a potential sponsor. You are then told that your reply was unnecessary and unwarranted, then you continue to post snide remarks and taunt those telling you that you are wrong. Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be unsubscribing from this list. -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:44:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB361065704 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B538FC30 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RGiSFa053217; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:44:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RGiSJL053214; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:44:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:44:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Boris Samorodov , "Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH" , "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:40 -0000 >>> No, any financial contributions are welcome. >> >> they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. > > > Do you know who Boris is? checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and "improving" website. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:44:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497D610657F4 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0BC8FC0A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so154206fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:44:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=m+PXUmq/jEi4BzAafmtWgbPrvcwhuez5cF/c/3Stc6Q=; b=gXEdwAcf+E/0NNOBwkyDu/rNZgHLL7CHl1MqScjScZB4BBHpsgDwBGwcpZX/+F9HEW r5rQwixfINEq/nz4Map/TiNm5KxX6Dos0qKtIneLA+67bJhz+RtbVzL5681vgQko4Wmp +i+nYgx8SGVwwqSQ51VWeAtBV+ietlLUGi8sA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YLDe4euMeZt2NA3y/RyYpXvd+Bn5fZX0oX3i1VXVrv2Uj3xt2F/JQ/4osCUeUoSlcI pYU9qBnoRk0/4X3svt5XcP+uPs396iIhX8ftKEDvVYNo8RfiEXp9OnRdnbTOpRpUNG8u 2ctb3yy0PvIJevYbYtDzx/Es7JYInp4hfvYig= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.5 with SMTP id f5mr129762bkg.203.1243442689083; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:44:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <0e9816ca5425550de4e82aeb60e36751.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:29 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:53 -0000 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >> >> It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT >> an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes >> an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. >> >> You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly >> stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were >> wrong and apologise. >> > just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU > DECIDED SO. > Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:44:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D691065869 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F158F8FC26 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1065411ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:44:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eoxY+VxQBgWhAoSqM+JVuxqz3i1Z0fJh1Yni61BPyzM=; b=hZxPYrin6aPNUTdIWk32asiwmUOIxC82I+9CGOk1RhrSfF9PssxbbYzgtRPgFnlbmx GPwzeuA1uA0GjEcye7LTVWSfnNxj/hb17zFpCWLPHaoazML0fA9MImBkcnz2aDrX5ePY /Kwjf44rBnCJd5aSyTW5dZFICGzFejxLiVysk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YzAM5phRxmdbSz0AKgyajkdaurVoT7oC3t9U+z0jUe2s25dTmJDwXLn8uEp8tl0U4d 1K6bLpwC9i4YRl77pKioZAEd6k8sfk6l0CkUWJgsjOgKcdiKlM7LBVNQdZX8ZcILItqR EbMUu4e6OicFva/ZF2y7bfKFGoGsu8c6tCvNo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.16.11 with SMTP id 11mr152805ebp.12.1243442693592; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:44:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:44:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Fwd: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:44:56 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:41, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> time after taking the blindingly obvious step of deleting the 'work' >> directory. >> >> This seems to be a key part of the process. >> >> The patch doesn't install correctly, as the make process generates the > > it installs correctly for sure :) as you don't see errors Heh. Well, to be exact, yes, the patch installs without error. However, it breaks the program install. >> following: >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0HttpHeader.cc:127: error: 'ftSTr' was not declared in this = scope >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0*** Error code 1 >> >> and halts after a few more errors, but at least that indicates that >> *something* is happening with the patch file. >> >> This smells like progress. > > just patch a patch :) I'm working with the author on that... Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:45:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5C010656B0 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C06E8FC25 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RGjFg8053242; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:45:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RGjFnl053239; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:45:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:45:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:45:23 -0000 > You are then told that your reply was unnecessary and unwarranted, > then you continue to post snide remarks and taunt those telling you > that you are wrong. > > Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be > unsubscribing from this list. PLEASE NO! I like your posts :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:46:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B4B1065701 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC218FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:46:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4RGk52p001346; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:46:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id A7FCF63333; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:46:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5468363322; 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Wed, 27 May 2009 16:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85C498FC1E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 25493 invoked by uid 89); 27 May 2009 16:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 16:51:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1D6F90.5060602@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:51:28 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Buff References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070600060405000804050002" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Fwd: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:51:26 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070600060405000804050002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt Buff wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:23, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: >>>> with name patch-something >>>> >>>> look at existing as an example >>> That didn't seem to work. >> what exactly doesn't? could you please post error messages? > > There were no error messages. > > Then, being the incredibly brilliant person I am, I tried again, this > time after taking the blindingly obvious step of deleting the 'work' > directory. > > This seems to be a key part of the process. > > The patch doesn't install correctly, as the make process generates the > following: > > HttpHeader.cc:127: error: 'ftSTr' was not declared in this scope > *** Error code 1 > > and halts after a few more errors, but at least that indicates that > *something* is happening with the patch file. > > This smells like progress. Can you post the patch, and I'll test it out here? (Forgive me if you've done this and I missed it). 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b=fUtCQ5T3/zrewCYRBOw80MkxOFjFceWhbWDYkWnsgBuHher7sUE3qWQ4pk7PoQdz3/ 7EpIbJT8syfbShWc4dRybtrSSPJcakC2B6J1gS5gEdF42adceAP8x3bs5LehatciIdzR hMaaZliG4gsu20GW1IzL+iSetajrnJKp7Fz9g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.102 with SMTP id f38mr169846bkk.62.1243443097209; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:51:17 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:51:42 -0000 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >>>> No, any financial contributions are welcome. >>> >>> they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. >> >> >> Do you know who Boris is? > > checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. > > but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and > "improving" website. > Beg pardon, my mistake, thought he was the guy from the Foundation. Still, he's a developer. Are you? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:52:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21A4106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3B08FC29 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D96C45E; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:52:42 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YOWWIFpJspz3; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:52:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 447F3C457; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:52:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: Wojciech Puchar Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:52:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905271048.27837.kirk@strauser.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905271152.34237.kirk@strauser.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:52:44 -0000 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 11:40:51 am Wojciech Puchar wrote: > you talk about performance or if it work at all? Both, really. If they have to code up macros to support identical operations (such as addition) on both platforms, and accidentally forget to use the macro in some place, then voila: untested code. > do you have any other examples of code non-portability between amd64 and > i386? You're also forgetting that this isn't high-level programming where you get to lean on a cross-platform libc or similar. This is literally interfacing with the hardware, and there are a whole boatload of subtle incompatibilities when handling stuff at that level. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:56:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF7C1065677 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F478FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:56:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85734C4EC; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:56:44 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gNyHJXqVKRJr; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:56:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5EFF8C4E4; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:56:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:56:39 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905271156.39854.kirk@strauser.com> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Glen Barber Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:56:45 -0000 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 11:44:03 am Glen Barber wrote: > Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be > unsubscribing from this list. Don't. He's hardly the only PITA in support mailing lists. Just add him to your killfile and move on. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 16:59:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B153110656B8 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:59:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBCD8FC18 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:59:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C30B801F; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:57:53 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1243443473; bh=u5AWQfIszwBY09gA3oaaB2YDK8tvgKbsQqKGPIwV7fM=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZTbyfq8ciirrysBbJTmYhmQO1fUDxbT6RlWdfXKY46TGu5N1ye9+OSftPUkB0WpmK +6nYcn96PPlHtv7+njvzVu2HHFUJo7ubKkJBu15Rc1vNyCKqonPKbbWdY1nIN4vT7Q IS9/f4FAZ1KZ9+JkTpPapWYW6rOH1GT6qVBYySYA= Received: from relay.lc-words.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.lc-words.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04879-02; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:57:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B24AB801B; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:57:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 77.254.171.13 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:57:53 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:57:53 +0200 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Glen Barber" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:59:04 -0000 > Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be > unsubscribing from this list. Glen - please don't. I have never met so many supportive people as on this list. I do hope Wojtek will just stop doing this but even if he doesn't, we should not let such people determine the quality of this list. Just my 2c. -- Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:09:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27921065908 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66748FC27 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RH9lBm053514; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:09:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RH9l25053511; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:09:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:09:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <200905271152.34237.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905271048.27837.kirk@strauser.com> <200905271152.34237.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:58 -0000 > >> you talk about performance or if it work at all? > > Both, really. If they have to code up macros to support identical operations OK. talking about performance: - 64-bit addition/substraction on 32-bit computer: 2 instructions instead of one (ADD+ADC) - 64-bit NOT, XOR, AND, OR and compare/test etc - 2 instead of one - multiply - depends of machine, something like 7-8 times longer (4 multiples+additions) to do 64bitx64bit multiply. But how often do you multiply 2 longs in C. Actually VERY rarely. the only exception i can think now is RSA/DSA assymetric key generation and processing. - every operation on 32-bit or smaller values - same - every branching - same - external memory access - depends of chipset/CPU not mode - same now do cc -O2 -s and look at resulting assembly output to see how much performance could really be gained. about checksumming in ZFS - it could be much faster on 64-bit arch, if only memory speed and latency wouldn't be a limit. and it is, and any performance difference in that case would be rather marginal. > (such as addition) on both platforms, and accidentally forget to use the macro > in some place, then voila: untested code. > >> do you have any other examples of code non-portability between amd64 and >> i386? > > You're also forgetting that this isn't high-level programming where you get to > lean on a cross-platform libc or similar. This is literally interfacing with > the hardware, and there are a whole boatload of subtle incompatibilities when > handling stuff at that level. we talked about C code. if not - please be more clear as i don't understand what you talking about. and no - ZFS is not on interface level, doesn't talk directly to hardware. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:11:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297481065A05 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:11:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB708FC1F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RHBGf0053521; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:11:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RHBG3W053518; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:11:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:11:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:11:26 -0000 >> checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. >> >> but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and >> "improving" website. >> > > Beg pardon, my mistake, thought he was the guy from the Foundation. > Still, he's a developer. Are you? no i'm not. but you don't answer my question. 7 lines above from this line :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:12:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCDD1065A5D for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 96FE08FC23 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: (qmail 30761 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 17:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.166) with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 17:12:49 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:12:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Is this a gmirror bug? Thread-Index: AcneV+Tk8/CRr+7tRWKtomK7n84IRAAliXXA References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> From: "Peter Steele" To: Subject: RE: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:12:52 -0000 >Wouldn't it look like > >Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >/dev/mirror/gm0d 4058062 -377792 4111210 110% /tmp >/dev/mirror/gm0e 15231278 -113942 14126718 101% /var > >then? I always assumed that a disk occupation > 100% would go into >this reserved area, which would turn the Capacity field to be more >than 100%, and not less than 0%? This is the case when I have more >data on a UFS partition than it "is allowed to"... I've seen this before a few times, but never something less than 0%. I've reimaged the system to correct it. Will have to see if it happens again... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:22:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCAC1065951 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:22:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43248FC20 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:22:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RHMWij053611; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:22:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RHMWYr053608; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:22:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:22:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Steele In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:22:44 -0000 >> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/mirror/gm0d 4058062 -377792 4111210 110% /tmp >> /dev/mirror/gm0e 15231278 -113942 14126718 101% /var >> >> then? I always assumed that a disk occupation > 100% would go into >> this reserved area, which would turn the Capacity field to be more >> than 100%, and not less than 0%? This is the case when I have more >> data on a UFS partition than it "is allowed to"... > > I've seen this before a few times, but never something less than 0%. > I've reimaged the system to correct it. Will have to see if it happens > again... did you checked that partitions with fsck? (fsck_ffs -y) does it detects errors and fix them? after fsck is it ok or still nonsense in Used? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:23:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4D61065C52 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4888FC22 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RHNESj053618; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:23:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RHNETD053615; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:23:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:23:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:23:23 -0000 >> Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be >> unsubscribing from this list. > > Glen - please don't. Me too! Don't unsubscribe :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:24:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77ECB1065D1F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B598FC1C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:24:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-4490623.home.otenet.gr [94.71.81.135]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4RHOqnE017924; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:24:53 +0300 Message-ID: <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:24:52 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:24:56 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: >> >> just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU >> DECIDED SO. >> >> please post more :) >> > > You continuously do this. You post responses to posts that (as > previously stated) scare off users and, in this case, a potential > sponsor. > > You are then told that your reply was unnecessary and unwarranted, > then you continue to post snide remarks and taunt those telling you > that you are wrong. > > Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be > unsubscribing from this list. > > Glen: Please don't! And Wojciech, is there any way we can convince you to show a more positive attitude to the people on this list? I believe you have the capacity of helping people, why don't you show a little more positive energy. You do get really aggressive at times. Please take a few minutes to reconsider your answers before hitting 'Send'. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:28:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A54F1065D0E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF71E8FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RHSVIN053660; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:28:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RHSUgR053657; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:28:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:28:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Manolis Kiagias In-Reply-To: <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> Message-ID: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:28:42 -0000 >> Thanks to your attitude, actions, and demeanor, I will be >> unsubscribing from this list. >> >> > > Glen: Please don't! I agree. > > And Wojciech, is there any way we can convince you to show a more > positive attitude to the people on this list? it is positive. actually very positive :) While being attacked for almost EVERY my opinion just because is not "mainstream", or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. isn't it positive? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:36:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC43D10657DE for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADCA8FC1B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1107166ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:36:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SmEPWg9PCyU96/RS9ff2vxNXp7PVw2HoVpPi8E96BC8=; b=FwlKTKqB67+NhWfY7FtrBZVDXe+YJMta+GxYxGqyL+QL7vhKPPIxrvqlY5aDzsqciP Zrn7MouyxYjGbpVMmVxl4ljz3gLB14Dw9MehBNk07Vl1FbN87v09MO2+e60jLs9IbBwq AwPpQiFuXMMIqLrP6QUdOBfff7+7yaEq4q/6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JZZsUDy4oSeMS5dQjtVqUT4saDlUA3DPXXjtwdQoXNF4BWySX1h8d7GzalNfmHhoOD 2PCXBiUR6I1Ou1rD5ia9ZEH+y+RVAcp5SO4GwCZ606xikm9piMsR/pKToUjeZgihs76y RRE7cHos2IV6TUT2TvzANRh5Orgp5PDeLUBX4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.16.11 with SMTP id 11mr199187ebp.12.1243445782216; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:36:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1D6F90.5060602@ibctech.ca> References: <4A1D6F90.5060602@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:36:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Fwd: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:36:24 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:51, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Can you post the patch, and I'll test it out here? (Forgive me if you've > done this and I missed it). > > Steve > Sent off-list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:37:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873CE106594F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2845F8FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82916 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 17:37:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=i81Yf4zWgOl/MsMsE3+FifbfMsfKG+rv9E0jtd5aioZZ5K1GZffuLrGs+L3BlxK8szlEJ87zeHIAoSTjLYuPuWZ8fgg0cbq+VHNKa5ltGREVNdSuFcuRKnn+XJ5IBKhjBZ9XKL7/oFb/Yi/LaJUJ5uHGp4VvsMLYwsA3OMXegc0= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2009 10:37:18 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: ZeKPYBIVM1l2ttz9GM9vrhMAYsjszRk8oZ6wuNkLg3p9T0.BW7LJgiXR9opefb1H0oPepXNIn7SQzG6ZdBpm2OnRYqePIbZj5Dh.thmc0tqoWpAqyRVpu_HZkM3KaQ6FTuzOp4zbJmysvB.SzrRcHUpMexdzeQhGTK3BHn3QrjrFeZwOZrucKldrz2Fpji3oAK5dmpoD4PAYUdQFnzu9lk0LakDy99ze5V6TZrkyREzvsIL3RKo.ElyHBQogKaVGp78wkINampFHmaVKrO1rDAlJBLeQSA0MRFyCsUmMqVFxZW4giaCQ9iK2JMHpxdrp69nAWN7WCdr16vJx06nzhbWjBJ30ekuX9jif X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:37:06 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/OwXBqCngVwYM.28ZNWT2Xa7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:37:19 -0000 --Sig_/OwXBqCngVwYM.28ZNWT2Xa7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:05 +0100 Chris Rees wrote: >Seriously, why give up on something because it takes an hour or two >out of your day, and carry on the ~seven minute >reboot-to-'Windows'-cycle out of laziness? Sounds counter-productive >and defeatist. 1) You are assuming that the same PC contains both Windows & FBSD. 2) The technology exists, as demonstrated by Microsoft, to easily configure a printer. Having to perform Herculean tasks, load extra software; i.e. cups for instance, etc is not productive. 3) Personally, I have found it easier to print from the FBSD box to the Win box. As a bonus, the print quality is usually of a higher quality that I can get using a driver built for my FBSD box using the same printer attached directly to the FBSD box. Amazingly, Windows has no trouble recognizing a printer attached to the FBSD PC, installing a driver and then using it with virtually with no user intervention. 4) My time is valuable. I don't feel like wasting it trying to get a printer to work correctly when it is easier to do on a Win32 box. It is not time well spent. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com There is no cure for birth and death other than to enjoy the interval. George Santayana --Sig_/OwXBqCngVwYM.28ZNWT2Xa7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkodekwACgkQBvaKIJWWCO0rcwCfRYMXqhtRhJLBdyVuqedgHt7E ncYAnAltL/T4qcbNA2M9bIjOeH9CDkYd =hzpj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/OwXBqCngVwYM.28ZNWT2Xa7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:39:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0835410656B0 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D658FC18 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:39:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034F6B8036; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:37:58 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1243445878; bh=aMUb8ff9/iQ8s3REa5W0t7tVwZgaS+6f2aKTNXWAiqc=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fGgqsM/ZOxz3eWRqwC4UNkFdqluYl2zyd9CkWZ9q69wp+63Cjz4KpRD0fiJYdCVp/ fSrciUJR1nOfNnwzEobjmICqSIgHJTiyfXH+MpG+SJ4fL8ypQWHmXWjtWrZ4J9pY/d RuCILeOw5B9aYSSlgh369N20x/fHPuvtPil9vNxM= Received: from relay.lc-words.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.lc-words.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07064-06; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:37:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8181AB8031; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:37:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 77.254.171.13 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:37:57 +0200 Message-ID: <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:37:57 +0200 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Wojciech Puchar" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:39:08 -0000 > While being attacked for almost EVERY my opinion just because is not > "mainstream", or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing them disfavour. This was a question addressed to them but asked on this list perhaps because the OP did not find another way of contacting the team. Is it so hard to understand? Please! -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:51:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC66106591B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net (Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net [64.251.15.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9198E8FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from cpe-24-167-59-175.hot.res.rr.com ([24.167.59.175] helo=RawFedDogs.net) by Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1M9MwH-000Afs-GY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:29:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:29:24 -0500 From: Kevin Monceaux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527172924.GA10301@RawFedDogs.net> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kevin@RawFedDogs.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:51:37 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:44:28PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Do you know who Boris is? > > checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. > > but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage > and "improving" website. What I can gather from this thread is that he, as a developer, might possibly have the right to speak on behalf of FreeBSD in regards to a sponsorship offer. On the other hand, you, who are neither a developer nor a core team member, do not. Not only that, the information is his reply is both polite and accurate where yours is not. From Boris's e-mail: > All financial contributors for the last three years are listed here: > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml Your reply to that was: > they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the > difference. And, of course, after rechecking the important bit from the original message: > What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning > on the site somewhere with a link to our website. It's obvious you misinterpreted it. They ask for a short mentioning **on the site somewhere** which is in no way, shape, or form the same thing as on the main webpage. In another reply in this thread you replied to someone saying: > again - this is your opinion. and IMHO resulting from you replying > faster than reading and understanding. You might want to go back and reread the original sponsorship offer post. It sounds like you are the one replying faster than you are reading or understanding. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:51:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AD81065841 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:51:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3C28FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so201149fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:51:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=pneCVgLwwlRgYasRWgQwxK6x+hunCuau4mSM4rRPWPI=; b=ateT+JYa1U1p5uhBU0o835fX4oHuGD8P68jZSCJYpaf29FHcLPxJZbW+t27FqJB/J6 pHsSF/+/DrgeB7CoKCutmfNkSi/ojqgj289/jy5V7DWzA6r+MwNlrb54JviJBZJ7z6HB L4oZ8CZEJLy1b3f3arp78b2siPt5x0jdKiaw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=H/HwhH1MVcLLfBbUlsE927rVZEjeiu9laE8pQLcs+XmZL0isFExHUCKrCusLT+oJmr 0bRXvRlYkJtq6VQl0bV8/y5ntIyEUTZ1Fqrc0MxWVDW/ELjELTt3h+A5ELvQRuQGBj5T 4VWLsoOC5g97kXcKJWo+xEsNjbIJyM+0ZNAD4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.198.20 with SMTP id a20mr177778muq.63.1243446705655; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: interrupt storm on irq 10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:51:47 -0000 I purchased a NetGear WPN511 cardbus wireless adapter (atheros chipset) yesterday. The card uses irq 10, as does the firewire port and ethernet port (fxp0) on my Dell Inspiron 8100. The laptop is running FreeBSD 7.2 Release (generic kernel). When I bootup the laptop with the wireless adapter in the cardbus slot, I see messages regarding "interrupt storm detected throttling interrupt source". This did not occur prior to adding the wireless adapter. If I insert the wireless adapter after bootup, I don't see the messages on the console or as dmesg output. Otherwise, the adapter works fine. Are interrupt storms a problem? Do I need to worry about them? If so, is there anything I can do about them? Thanks, Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 17:55:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FCE10656DF for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19FA68FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:55:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 28250 invoked by uid 89); 27 May 2009 17:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 17:55:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1D7E92.4060904@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:55:30 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Buff References: <4A1D6F90.5060602@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090208080609050101080801" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Fwd: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:55:46 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090208080609050101080801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt Buff wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:51, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Can you post the patch, and I'll test it out here? (Forgive me if you've >> done this and I missed it). >> >> Steve >> > > Sent off-list. Ok, got it. I'm pretty much taking an "easy" day today to recover my broken -STABLE ZFS system, so while I'm in discussion/learning about ZFS recovery in regards to that problem, I'll give the patch a try on a couple of VMs and see if I can help. 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(steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 18:02:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1D802A.40908@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:02:18 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Buff References: <4A1D6F90.5060602@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060100030503060409060307" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Fwd: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:02:16 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060100030503060409060307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt Buff wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:51, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Can you post the patch, and I'll test it out here? (Forgive me if you've >> done this and I missed it). >> >> Steve >> > > Sent off-list. 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owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 18:16:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CC71065674 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780DC8FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:15:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1138344ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:15:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FO7RsvrVJYIXYfIxXRosJHlYXV8NW1Iknsjo1UJ7z/o=; b=XQtCT3DCl3u2UuasdP2eqWbwwdYPFMyQa9BVzhMVCcucMrqCZE0unazbu8ijTgsRC4 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Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:16:01 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:02, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Kurt Buff wrote: >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:51, Steve Bertrand wrote: >>> Can you post the patch, and I'll test it out here? (Forgive me if you've >>> done this and I missed it). >>> >>> Steve >>> >> >> Sent off-list. > > Kurt, can you please provide: > > # uname -a > - the "default tag" you use in your ports supfile, and the last time you > 'sup'd the ports tree > > Steve > I csup'ed on May 13, if my examination of the file system is accurate - I noted the date on the relevant file in /usr/ports/distfiles. #uname -a FreeBSD squid.mycompany.com 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Mon Jun 30 17:27:53 PDT 2008 root@squid.mycompany.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Contents of supfile: *default host=cvsup8.FreeBSD.org *default prefix=/usr *default base=/var/db *default release=cvs *default delete *default use-rel-suffix src-all tag=RELENG_7 ports-all tag=. doc-all tag=. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 18:20:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAD7106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD258FC20 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0837E837; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:20:38 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:20:36 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <26face530905270841l9a28ec9n9d33ec9665cd01c0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26face530905270841l9a28ec9n9d33ec9665cd01c0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272020.36430.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Kelly Jones Subject: Re: Formatted text conversion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:20:41 -0000 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 17:41:56 Kelly Jones wrote: > I have e-books in several formats (DOC, LIT, PDF, RTF, HTML, TXT, > etc). Is there a Unix command-line tool that converts between these > formats? > > If not, is there at least a tool that converts these formats to TXT? > > My goal is to read these books on my Kindle, even if it means losing > some formatting/bells/whistles. There isn't a one-for-all that I know of. Doc (if that's MS Word) and Lit are probably the hardest to find for command line, especially one that recognizes versions. For the rest, check out print (for PDF mostly), converters and textproc category. There are a few available to you and best you check for yourself what features you need (I suppose batch processing). grep -i rtf /usr/ports/$category/*/pkg-descr does wonders for a quick overview. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 18:24:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7873D10656A6 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:24:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BEB68FC2E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 44727 invoked by uid 89); 27 May 2009 18:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 May 2009 18:24:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1D8554.5030809@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:24:20 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Buff References: <4A1D6F90.5060602@ibctech.ca> <4A1D802A.40908@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030102000606050507060106" Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Fwd: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:24:16 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030102000606050507060106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt Buff wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:02, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Kurt Buff wrote: >>> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:51, Steve Bertrand wrote: >>>> Can you post the patch, and I'll test it out here? (Forgive me if you've >>>> done this and I missed it). >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>> Sent off-list. >> Kurt, can you please provide: >> >> # uname -a >> - the "default tag" you use in your ports supfile, and the last time you >> 'sup'd the ports tree >> >> Steve >> > > I csup'ed on May 13, if my examination of the file system is accurate > - I noted the date on the relevant file in /usr/ports/distfiles. > > #uname -a > FreeBSD squid.mycompany.com 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Mon Jun > 30 17:27:53 PDT 2008 > root@squid.mycompany.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Ok. I'm building on both a 7.0-RELEASE, and a 7.2-RELEASE box, with ports updated to nearly the same spec as yours. 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owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 18:29:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F871065793 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:29:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from savage@savage.za.org) Received: from ctb-mesg5.saix.net (ctb-mesg5.saix.net [196.25.240.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B508FC28 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:29:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from savage@savage.za.org) Received: from fusion.opticnetworks.net (dsl-145-150-98.telkomadsl.co.za [165.145.150.98]) by ctb-mesg5.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F63B44ED for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:05 +0200 (SAST) Received: from SUPERMAN (superman.opticnetworks.net [192.168.1.10]) by fusion.opticnetworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABA3161E66 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200 (SAST) From: "Chris Knipe" To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200 Message-ID: <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acne5JiMV5L0eeLqQlqA++psmefwFwADHZXA Content-Language: en-za Subject: RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: savage@savage.za.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:29:49 -0000 From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: 27 May 2009 05:57 PM To: Zbigniew Szalbot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD >> >>> as usually - i speak for myself. and will keep it that way. >> >> Grrr... there are times when I think that freedom of speech is not such a >> good thing after all... > >Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns into snotty flame wars... It's pathetic truth be told. Use it, don't use it, -- Chris. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 18:36:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5687E1065680 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:36:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFC98FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BAC7E837; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:36:05 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:36:03 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272036.04272.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Kurt Buff , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:36:08 -0000 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 17:21:42 Kurt Buff wrote: > All, > > I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the > authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small > problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. > > I cd'ed into the > /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then > performed 'patch > Then I did a make, but got no output. > > So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? Don't feel like reading the entire thread atm, but for reference: - Patches need to have relative paths, where the root of the path corresponds to the port's notion of $PATCH_WRKSRC - You can find out this directory by running: % make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCH_WRKSRC The default is $WRKSRC which is $WRKDIR/$DISTNAME by default. Example: % make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V PATCH_WRKSRC /stable/usr/obj/usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/work/nagios-statd-3.12 - Patches are automatically applied if they reside in the port's notion of PATCHDIR and are named patch-* - You can find out this directory by running: %make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCHDIR The default is $.CURDIR/files. Example: % make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V PATCHDIR /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/files - In order to apply a new patch after you have previously gone past the patch stage (configure, build, install), either run make clean or: % rm $(make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCH_COOKIE) The above can cause problems, with the build. The normal course of action is to make clean. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 18:43:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C181065678 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394908FC22 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wi0l1b0040S2fkCAAijSn4; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:43:26 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wijN1b00G1f6R9u8VijPE5; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:43:25 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 27 May 2009 11:43:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:43:21 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527184321.GK2138@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.x X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:43:26 -0000 On Tue 26 May 2009 at 12:35:38 PDT Polytropon wrote: >Dear list, > >I'm searching for a FreeBSD based means to align text in >a circle, adjusted like in a sigulum. > >I've tried to find an option in OpenOffice, but failed. >Can anyone name me a program that can be used to do so? >It can even be LaTeX, or a painting program that lets >me construct a sigulum, like this: > >http://www-e.uni-magdeburg.de/ruge/verschiedenes/medien-als-manipulatoren/otto.gif > >Text at the top should be adjustable with its bottom >towards the inner of the circle, text at the circle's >bottom hould be adjustable with the bottom to the outer >perimeter of the circle so both text is "standing up". > >A pictural figure should be placable in the inner of >the circle. Colours should be applyable. > >Final output can be everything: Image formats like >PNG or JPG, PDF files, Postscript. > >Suggestions, anyone? =^_^= Why not use Postscript (ghostscript) for this? I did a quick google for "postscript circular text" and this was the first hit: http://www.science.uva.nl/~robbert/ps/bluebook/program_10.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 18:50:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8231065670; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:50:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2438FC17; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c122-106-216-167.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.216.167]) by mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4RIolN4024094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 May 2009 04:50:48 +1000 X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RIokIS038006; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:50:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4RIokTC038005; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:50:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 04:50:46 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Stephan Lichtenauer Message-ID: <20090527185046.GA1331@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <4A17FFAF.4010400@FreeBSD.org> <4A194CB7.4080605@FreeBSD.org> <20090526211300.GA13700@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1C1EA0CA-FC01-4B68-A94F-198376772C80@honeyguide.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1C1EA0CA-FC01-4B68-A94F-198376772C80@honeyguide.net> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, Gabor Kovesdan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:50:52 -0000 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-May-27 09:47:24 +0200, Stephan Lichtenauer wrote: >>> Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that >> I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/ >> resume works out of the box. > >What FreeBSD version are you using? FreeBSD 8-current. --=20 Peter Jeremy --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkodi4YACgkQ/opHv/APuIfcHgCfSXAfG+JbbvfoqhMutAzYUHmw IHcAnidivIVi8WNiD6pOLs78f2jUtx++ =xdxs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 18:55:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B41106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBA48FC20 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:55:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BAC7E837; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:36:05 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:36:03 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272036.04272.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Kurt Buff , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:55:19 -0000 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 17:21:42 Kurt Buff wrote: > All, > > I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the > authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small > problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. > > I cd'ed into the > /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then > performed 'patch > Then I did a make, but got no output. > > So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? Don't feel like reading the entire thread atm, but for reference: - Patches need to have relative paths, where the root of the path corresponds to the port's notion of $PATCH_WRKSRC - You can find out this directory by running: % make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCH_WRKSRC The default is $WRKSRC which is $WRKDIR/$DISTNAME by default. Example: % make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V PATCH_WRKSRC /stable/usr/obj/usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/work/nagios-statd-3.12 - Patches are automatically applied if they reside in the port's notion of PATCHDIR and are named patch-* - You can find out this directory by running: %make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCHDIR The default is $.CURDIR/files. Example: % make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V PATCHDIR /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/files - In order to apply a new patch after you have previously gone past the patch stage (configure, build, install), either run make clean or: % rm $(make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCH_COOKIE) The above can cause problems, with the build. The normal course of action is to make clean. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:02:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C786F1065688 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:02:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E07F8FC21 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 12876 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 19:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 19:02:30 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id ADA7428435; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:02:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:02:30 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Kirk Strauser Message-ID: <20090527190230.GB9937@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905271048.27837.kirk@strauser.com> <200905271152.34237.kirk@strauser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200905271152.34237.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:02:33 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:52:33AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > On Wednesday 27 May 2009 11:40:51 am Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > you talk about performance or if it work at all? > > Both, really. If they have to code up macros to support identical > operations (such as addition) on both platforms, and accidentally > forget to use the macro in some place, then voila: untested code. I haven't looked at the ZFS code but this sort of thing is exactly why all code I write uses int8_t, int16_t, int32_t, uint8_t, ... even when the first thing I have to do with a new compiler is to work out the proper typedefs to create them. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:14:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE281106567E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:14:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8684E8FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:14:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 7730 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 19:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp5.knology.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 19:13:58 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id CBFC928435; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:13:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:13:57 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Andrew Gould Message-ID: <20090527191357.GD9937@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: interrupt storm on irq 10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:14:02 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:51:45PM -0500, Andrew Gould wrote: [...] > Are interrupt storms a problem? Do I need to worry about them? If > so, is there anything I can do about them? Have run across interrupt storms for the first time myself last night. Am thinking they are from interrupt sources that interrupt handlers do not fully support. So the interrupt is not being serviced and is repeatedly being invoked. Probably PCI doesn't behave the same as much simpler embedded hardware that I am used to, but the above is what an interrupt storm looks like on simple embedded hardware. My source of interrupt storms was caused by a bad SATA cable. Installed a new VIA 6421-based SATA card (selected because it was only $15) and two new hard drives for the purpose of copying files off two older drives. New drives were detected but ad4 did not work when ad6 did. Swapped drives and the other drive on ad6 worked. Thought the card was bad but decided to try swapping cables which fixed ad4 and broke ad6. Ergo, bad cable. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:14:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC341065680 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3CF8FC1E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4RJEqNE069860; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:14:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0B8EFBAA3; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:14:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:14:52 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Kelly Jones Message-ID: <20090527191452.GC14687@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <26face530905270841l9a28ec9n9d33ec9665cd01c0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="w7PDEPdKQumQfZlR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26face530905270841l9a28ec9n9d33ec9665cd01c0@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Formatted text conversion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:14:54 -0000 --w7PDEPdKQumQfZlR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 08:41:56AM -0700, Kelly Jones wrote: > I have e-books in several formats (DOC, LIT, PDF, RTF, HTML, TXT, > etc). Is there a Unix command-line tool that converts between these > formats? Not a single tool. Although some conversions are possible using different tools. Applications are listed as available under /usr/ports unless stated otherwise. Ports that are marked with * are those that I've used with reasonable results myself. RTF -> HTML: textproc/rtf2html or textproc/unrtf TXT -> HTML: I've used a simple perl script to do this in the past, but I guess the textproc/txt2html does something similar. TXT -> PDF: print/nenscript or print/enscript-letter to make postscript files from text, then ps2pdf from print/ghostscript8 to create PDF from the postscript files. * PDF -> HTML: pdftohtml from graphics/poppler-utils * HTML ->PDF: Firefox supports printing to a PDF file. It seems LIT files are based on MS' CHM format. Maybe textproc/chm2pdf will convert them to pdf? There is an open-source tool for e-books (LIT format, among others): http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/ It is not available via ports though. > If not, is there at least a tool that converts these formats to TXT? DOC -> TXT: textproc/antiword * HTML -> TXT: textproc/html2text PDF -> TXT: pdftotext from graphics/poppler-utils * Roland P.S. A lot of public domain e-books are available in different formats via Project Gutenberg [http://www.gutenberg.org] --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --w7PDEPdKQumQfZlR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkodkSwACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWOuACdE5sS1ExtEg1QBEzU9xx9XWOu JZoAn1RcrEq/paluhqKuDrCUMIu7/eXY =kq87 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --w7PDEPdKQumQfZlR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:21:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213EC106566B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540038FC0A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RJLKh9054340; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:21:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RJLKG9054337; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:21:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:21:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> Message-ID: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:21:33 -0000 >> "mainstream", or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. > > Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But > don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing reread my posts. i didn't speak for them and i said that i'm not them. i AS USUAL tell what i think. And YOU just don't accept this because it's completely different point of view than yours. You - like most people - react with fear/aggression when hearing/reading something completely agains the knowledge you've been put to the brain for years. Who is right doesn't matter at all that cases. I understand this because is natural reaction, often not fully conscious. As you - and few other people - can not use arguments just attacks, it make the list polluted. And - back to that funny "sponsor" - I can only do favour sending them out. Can't you see it's semi-automatic posts to whatever he found, because he just want to advertise yourself and his "webpage improvement" services? (improvement==adding tons of flash, javas...t etc.) He wanted his banner on FreeBSD site for <100$ Or maybe i'm wrong - if so, please Core Team to put our little company's link on my page and i will send 100$ today. Don't forget to give me account number. Even more - i will find 10 friends to do the same. Just 10 links with small letters ;) and 1000$ is yours. The trick of doing ANY business, and non-profit work is to NOT TAKE EVERY CRAP, just because you see money. I'm sure you already know it in your business, so why can't you see this here? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:22:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD10410656F3 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AF28FC1B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:22:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RJMn26054355; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:22:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RJMmM9054352; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:22:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:22:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chris Knipe In-Reply-To: <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:23:28 -0000 >> >> Of course - ban it! > > > Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I > no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:24:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4361065679 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262408FC29 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:24:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RJOH3a054362; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:24:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RJOHJf054359; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:24:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:24:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090527190230.GB9937@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905271048.27837.kirk@strauser.com> <200905271152.34237.kirk@strauser.com> <20090527190230.GB9937@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:24:25 -0000 > I haven't looked at the ZFS code but this sort of thing is exactly why > all code I write uses int8_t, int16_t, int32_t, uint8_t, ... even when > the first thing I have to do with a new compiler is to work out the > proper typedefs to create them. int, short and char are portable, only other things must be defined this way. int8_t int16_t is just unneeded work. anyway - it's just defines, having no effect on compiled code and it's performance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:27:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B81010656CB for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC4F8FC1D for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A6A7E837; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:27:34 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:27:32 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272127.32478.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Peter Steele Subject: Re: How to detect when gmirror sync is complete? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:27:37 -0000 On Tuesday 26 May 2009 22:33:54 Peter Steele wrote: > I know I could have a script that continually checks "gmirror status" to > detect when a gmirror synchronization has completed, but is there a more > event-driven approach? Something that could be used to trigger and event > like devd does for drive pulls/inserts would be nice. Is this possible? Doesn't look like gmirror notifies devd. Look at devctl_notify examples[1] in the source tree to add it, where the hard part is figuring out when a gmirror sync is complete. Or you can file a PR requesting the feature, I'm sure you're not alone. [1] Prototype: sys/bus.h, example: sys/dev/acpica/acpi.c. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:28:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21D6106567F; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126F78FC22; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:28:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1192057ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9+DdFUC2K0hAUK96KtJPYIeeF+M0thXd0MNg1V4vQF8=; b=SMmMQCbHSFx0/t690hHkILxqYNamf91xOSzUbHx5FCFI2C7B2EVvXM4T6DBEJIKfBf Di7wpBcZIM/uDc62fTXv9j8UGlfmP3hhIve6dZLaDKgHO5I12/H+/7hQ+C/Y7C1FWQUW CvZrsv6qJ1hSqeSvHPeS07tZ21w6HoNK1ip30= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kyLjD4up352Ya0MUtV8A0dGKrCJSitAtnUWcFUAn5rUVGGe6gcZyXLhCnqTwG/3tb8 02WtGRsszANcnSf1+4ibAbt98XjlP9UjkWrmPEiIXUJUG+gaXRAZPba2undTV8gjAeaH MDrcJZZhPLgbOtht/P/jtJwgQ5+FuR693sZQo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.144.8 with SMTP id r8mr18720ebd.48.1243452488874; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200905272036.04272.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <200905272036.04272.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Mel Flynn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:28:12 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:36, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 27 May 2009 17:21:42 Kurt Buff wrote: >> All, >> >> I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the >> authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small >> problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. >> >> I cd'ed into the >> /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then >> performed 'patch > >> Then I did a make, but got no output. >> >> So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? > > Don't feel like reading the entire thread atm, but for reference: > - Patches need to have relative paths, where the root of the path corresp= onds > to the port's notion of $PATCH_WRKSRC > - You can find out this directory by running: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0% make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATC= H_WRKSRC > =C2=A0The default is $WRKSRC which is $WRKDIR/$DISTNAME by default. > =C2=A0Example: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0% make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V = PATCH_WRKSRC > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/stable/usr/obj/usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-stat= d/work/nagios-statd-3.12 > > - Patches are automatically applied if they reside in the port's notion o= f > PATCHDIR and are named patch-* > - You can find out this directory by running: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0%make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCH= DIR > =C2=A0The default is $.CURDIR/files. > =C2=A0Example: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0% make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V = PATCHDIR > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/files > > - In order to apply a new patch after you have previously gone past the p= atch > stage (configure, build, install), either run make clean or: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0% rm $(make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V= PATCH_COOKIE) > =C2=A0The above can cause problems, with the build. The normal course of = action is > to make clean. Excellent. I will be trying this tomorrow - I'm leaving work early today to get some things taken care of. Many thanks for this. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:28:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21D6106567F; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126F78FC22; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:28:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1192057ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9+DdFUC2K0hAUK96KtJPYIeeF+M0thXd0MNg1V4vQF8=; b=SMmMQCbHSFx0/t690hHkILxqYNamf91xOSzUbHx5FCFI2C7B2EVvXM4T6DBEJIKfBf Di7wpBcZIM/uDc62fTXv9j8UGlfmP3hhIve6dZLaDKgHO5I12/H+/7hQ+C/Y7C1FWQUW CvZrsv6qJ1hSqeSvHPeS07tZ21w6HoNK1ip30= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kyLjD4up352Ya0MUtV8A0dGKrCJSitAtnUWcFUAn5rUVGGe6gcZyXLhCnqTwG/3tb8 02WtGRsszANcnSf1+4ibAbt98XjlP9UjkWrmPEiIXUJUG+gaXRAZPba2undTV8gjAeaH MDrcJZZhPLgbOtht/P/jtJwgQ5+FuR693sZQo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.144.8 with SMTP id r8mr18720ebd.48.1243452488874; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200905272036.04272.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <200905272036.04272.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Mel Flynn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:28:12 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:36, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 27 May 2009 17:21:42 Kurt Buff wrote: >> All, >> >> I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the >> authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small >> problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. >> >> I cd'ed into the >> /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then >> performed 'patch > >> Then I did a make, but got no output. >> >> So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? > > Don't feel like reading the entire thread atm, but for reference: > - Patches need to have relative paths, where the root of the path corresp= onds > to the port's notion of $PATCH_WRKSRC > - You can find out this directory by running: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0% make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATC= H_WRKSRC > =C2=A0The default is $WRKSRC which is $WRKDIR/$DISTNAME by default. > =C2=A0Example: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0% make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V = PATCH_WRKSRC > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/stable/usr/obj/usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-stat= d/work/nagios-statd-3.12 > > - Patches are automatically applied if they reside in the port's notion o= f > PATCHDIR and are named patch-* > - You can find out this directory by running: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0%make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCH= DIR > =C2=A0The default is $.CURDIR/files. > =C2=A0Example: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0% make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V = PATCHDIR > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/files > > - In order to apply a new patch after you have previously gone past the p= atch > stage (configure, build, install), either run make clean or: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0% rm $(make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V= PATCH_COOKIE) > =C2=A0The above can cause problems, with the build. The normal course of = action is > to make clean. Excellent. I will be trying this tomorrow - I'm leaving work early today to get some things taken care of. Many thanks for this. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:30:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153D5106567F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFD08FC25 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RJUKaa054408; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:30:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RJUJfs054405; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:30:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:30:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20090527191357.GD9937@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: References: <20090527191357.GD9937@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Andrew Gould Subject: Re: interrupt storm on irq 10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:30:28 -0000 > My source of interrupt storms was caused by a bad SATA cable. Installed > a new VIA 6421-based SATA card (selected because it was only $15) and > two new hard drives for the purpose of copying files off two older > drives. New drives were detected but ad4 did not work when ad6 did. > Swapped drives and the other drive on ad6 worked. Thought the card was > bad but decided to try swapping cables which fixed ad4 and broke ad6. > Ergo, bad cable. > anyway very strange controller reaction to that case. i can hardly believe the way cable have to be broken to produce interrupt storm. maybe this way: controller sends message to drive, bad cable causes CRC errors, hard drive reacts with some message for that, interrupt is generated, driver in case of detected transmission problem instantly resends last commands, situation repeats. But it's contrary to what you said that "interrupt storm" are lots of interrupts that are not serviced by any driver. I'm not telling that you are wrong that cable produced this, but i can't find any explanation for that. any idea? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:32:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D3210656DC for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E818FC13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31C07E837; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:32:31 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:32:30 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <1536DA231EE20F276D566076@Macintosh-2.local> In-Reply-To: <1536DA231EE20F276D566076@Macintosh-2.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272132.30356.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Carlos Pardo Subject: Re: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet Dell 610 and Dell 710 servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:32:34 -0000 On Tuesday 26 May 2009 02:08:38 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On May 25, 2009 4:02:57 PM -0700 Carlos Pardo > > wrote: > > We are back porting the bce driver from 8.0 to 7.0. We are still missing > > some changes since cold boots work but rebooting (warm booting) fails! > > > > The error is: > > > > bce0: ../../../dev/bce/if_bce.c(1386); Unable to write CTX memory: > > cid_addr = 0x00000000, offset = 0x00000000! > > > > files back ported: > > > > bce/if_bce.h > > bce/if_bcefw.h > > bce/if_bvereg.h > > mii/brgphy.c > > mii/brgphyreg.h > > Why would you need to do that? There is a bce driver in the 7.x OS > already. Cause it's unstable? Search these or many other archives. The short answer: under IO load the card drops net link or panics kernel. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:36:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E4C10658F6 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420578FC23 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A767E837; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:36:15 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:36:13 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272136.13685.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Jos Chrispijn Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:36:22 -0000 On Monday 25 May 2009 15:41:04 Jos Chrispijn wrote: > I have some short movies (a la YouTube) that I would like to show as > video streams. Presenting them by download is messing up my bandwidth > (...). Can someone tell me if there is a simple solution installing such a > stream service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? Err, this thread is very long...can we blame our snuggle Pole or did no one mention "convert to ogg-theora and install audio/ices2+audio/icecast2". -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:38:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7790A10657C0 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:38:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15F08FC15 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:38:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RJbmED054491; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:37:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RJbmHA054488; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:37:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:37:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905272132.30356.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <1536DA231EE20F276D566076@Macintosh-2.local> <200905272132.30356.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Paul Schmehl , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Carlos Pardo Subject: Re: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet Dell 610 and Dell 710 servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:38:02 -0000 >> >> Why would you need to do that? There is a bce driver in the 7.x OS >> already. > > Cause it's unstable? Search these or many other archives. The short answer: > under IO load the card drops net link or panics kernel. is it any recipe to trigger that behaviour? i have that card (builtin) on loaded server with 2 months uptime and with quite lot of traffic going through that card. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:38:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD871065806 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66E88FC2F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RJcXNW054498; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:38:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RJcWrk054495; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:38:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:38:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905272136.13685.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <200905272136.13685.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jos Chrispijn , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:38:43 -0000 >> stream service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? > > Err, this thread is very long...can we blame our snuggle Pole or did no one > mention "convert to ogg-theora and install audio/ices2+audio/icecast2". but is it for video? seems like sound broadcast From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:38:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BBF106581B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:38:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744268FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:38:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2645060yxb.13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:38:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ekkbFB645ZoJ6LN/KMJLczYsW6PyC273aLokNGaAPX4=; b=GsgdrkCsASCOpu+G1lrQZK7D0DPYOeuYGLJPObEiM/pn1tB2xo+5tb3HvmUBnS8ys1 QRkC7hoh8Km1zC/ilK/MfM2ZRoe+SYq67WRTd/oi0bi6J3efe53kMMZ76WQeKo8aCewA xOV/rTgejMpy0VV7WcDONZMNx8UHxdrqO3RME= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MBJndvVItFwlj8winfS4HEmbLkmqzkBgr72KEqhYcAM/sMHmpfKJ6b3hoOoxbOelLb LuQ2CzulpZHcL6ZxkXEI6HDzmUdAmGZGCoXUQDg23vY3MgwkAtrNgOScnOm2iwnbLFnq uOsH0dVt5aEdASx94slpvtA69X1UIZOWPDqG0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.132.13 with SMTP id j13mr850133ybn.230.1243453126772; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:38:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:38:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:38:48 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> Of course - ban it! >> >> >> Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly wh= y >> I >> no longer use FreeBSD. =A0Just about everything in these mailing lists t= urns > > If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) > > This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! Well, that certainly doesn't follow. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:42:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2563B1065675 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:42:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01478FC22 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:42:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so5001643bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I9MrvxBczM4NVrEZ1pH92zh2CsyPIaEfdKadaad36Ec=; b=QttZthM6iwBWJsu1GD5jTSXe17TRjfhXAmKOyVlMz8ETITUPZ20dUkLVUKNQti6dVo VuomUeJ2Ai1cK4YrrnqlkwtIhKjdd9YHsqkHiSssT0OkV4F5V1CoU5g5imiKF3hNvKX6 0XzF1R0E5Py4ibEAYIGMsbOjA5kuuSxGbkkqk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Y9dqxedAC13drXz8dyardyrS1044+pKa4lEh3KoIlSdaXro4qiXhbkYYW/q/MeH1JX fwoV6bkXM7MVy+B6lePHSdvww/SGbXoKadO+Lmej8MQMUEY7riIsyLlrA2aT4dzbaJj2 9/a5e72w+glMtxVVAjPsMi9h8rxeFAJwgkf7k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.113.9 with SMTP id y9mr469489fap.61.1243453353162; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:42:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905271242q2479cc6dg93b6aba703f4e22d@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Peter Steele Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to detect when gmirror sync is complete? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:42:35 -0000 Hi, Peter On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Peter Steele wrote: > I know I could have a script that continually checks "gmirror status" to > detect when a gmirror synchronization has completed, but is there a more > event-driven approach? Something that could be used to trigger and event > like devd does for drive pulls/inserts would be nice. Is this possible? > > If, by chance you use Nagios, there is the net-mgmt/nagios-geom-1.3 port that detects degraded arrays and (as with the rest of Nagios tools) will auto-alert when there is a problem (and when the problem has recovered). -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:42:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1F51065A8C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539B28FC19 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RJi131046063; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:42:52 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-ID: <20090527194252.GA25178@thought.org> References: <20090526180435.GA3980@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: turning [x]html files into .odt files. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:42:59 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:21:26PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/5/26 Gary Kline : > > [[ ... ]] > > > > In a few days, I'll have a fair bit of spare time. I can make a port > then, if no-one more experienced wants to snap it up. > > Like your Jottings, by the way. > Well THANKS! First time I've been honored by someone from this list on my mumblings:) (Should be done within two years.) Back to the OOo and the italics and the “ and ” stuff. A fellow, "BillP" on one of the ooforums gave the following snippet to italicize *this* : Click at the beginning of the doucment then use Find & Replace. Check "Regular Expressions". Search For: \*([^\*]*)\* Replace With: $1 Select Format > Font > Italic for the Replace With box. Click Replace All. This simple regex incantation worked flawwlessly. But BillP's instructions to the " and " into opening and closing quotes failed. He said to pull down Tools -> AutoCorrect. --let me see if i can cut/paste. nope, but lynx -dump works. Originally this was better formatted in a smaller typeface: You can replace the quotes with custom quotes using Format > AutoCorrect > Apply, but don't don't do that until you check the AutoCorrect Options. Select Tools > AutoCorrect Options. On the Options pane, uncheck any options under the [M] column which you don't want applied. On the Custom Quotes pane, enable the replacement of quotes and close the AutoCorrect dialog. Apply the Default paragraph style to all paragraphs with quotes (AutoCorrect only works on paragraphs with the Default style). Select Format > Autocorrect > Apply. After Autocorrect finishes, the affected paragraphs will have the Text Body paragraph style, so you will have to change them if you want some other paragraph style. The first three indented points were clear enough. There were several [M]-column items that I unchecked. I did check both the single- and double-quote typeset-looking glyphs. Wasn't sure about the "Apply the Default paragraph style" pointer and wound up trying for several hours until my arm/shoulder almost fell off. Maybe somebody who has time can use vi/nvi/vim to type "Hello." Or, more simply, create testfile with OOo and type "Hello." try the above instructions. See if the plain " and " are turned into left-/right-quotes. O/wise, waiting a few days: n. p. Meanwhile I found one paragraph in my novel that need some work. It's over 150K words of action/adventure, and there's this one snafu. gary > Chris > > > -- > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:43:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AAC1065AA9 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:43:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC15C8FC2B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:43:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RJh1Xl054549; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:43:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RJh0X7054546; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:43:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:42:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Neal Hogan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1626729238-1061992106-1243453381=:54544" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:43:11 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1626729238-1061992106-1243453381=:54544 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >>> no longer use FreeBSD.  Just about everything in these mailing lists turns >> >> If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) >> >> This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! > > Well, that certainly doesn't follow. > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it because of forum - still read and posts here. --1626729238-1061992106-1243453381=:54544-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:53:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B241510657F5 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC078FC20 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067347E83F; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:53:53 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:53:51 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <200905272132.30356.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272153.51355.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Wojciech Puchar Subject: Re: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet Dell 610 and Dell 710 servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:53:55 -0000 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 21:37:47 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> Why would you need to do that? There is a bce driver in the 7.x OS > >> already. > > > > Cause it's unstable? Search these or many other archives. The short > > answer: under IO load the card drops net link or panics kernel. > > is it any recipe to trigger that behaviour? i have that card (builtin) on > loaded server with 2 months uptime and with quite lot of traffic going > through that card. Don't have local archives handy, but here ya go: -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:57:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD6C10656B4 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75718FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:57:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F517E837; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:57:49 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:57:47 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <200905272136.13685.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272157.48114.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Jos Chrispijn , Wojciech Puchar Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:57:54 -0000 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 21:38:32 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> stream service/server into FreeBDS 7.2? > > > > Err, this thread is very long...can we blame our snuggle Pole or did no > > one mention "convert to ogg-theora and install > > audio/ices2+audio/icecast2". > > but is it for video? seems like sound broadcast It doesn't care what's inside the ogg container: http://www.theora.org/benefits/ (benefit nr. 2). -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:58:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3099A1065714 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF188FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:58:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.146] (helo=smtp15.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9PGC-0000Jj-1j; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:58:00 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp15.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9PGB-0002es-52; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:57:59 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF3C3983B; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:57:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1D9B45.4050302@boosten.org> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:57:57 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1M9PGB-0002es-52 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:58:04 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists >>>> turns >>> >>> If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) >>> >>> This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! >> >> Well, that certainly doesn't follow. >> > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it > because of forum - still read and posts here. > None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 19:58:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F042B106566B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40008FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RJwdA4054662; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:58:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RJwceR054659; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:58:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:58:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905272153.51355.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <200905272132.30356.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200905272153.51355.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet Dell 610 and Dell 710 servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:58:47 -0000 >> loaded server with 2 months uptime and with quite lot of traffic going >> through that card. > > Don't have local archives handy, but here ya go: > > -- > Mel > > tomorrow i will try to reproduce this on my server to check if it happens in my setup being in-place not remote. maybe i was just lucky to not experience this for 2 months since i started that server up. Thank you very much! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:00:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE3F1065675 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0AD8FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:00:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RJxwAv054682; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:59:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RJxwGk054679; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:59:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:59:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905272157.48114.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <200905272136.13685.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200905272157.48114.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jos Chrispijn , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:00:06 -0000 >> >> but is it for video? seems like sound broadcast > > It doesn't care what's inside the ogg container: > http://www.theora.org/benefits/ > good. i was suggested by /usr/ports/audio/ anyway for just playing static video/audio files on user request it's just exaggeration. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:06:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8022F1065670 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1717E8FC1E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:06:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 1774 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 20:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 20:06:45 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 0789228435; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:06:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:06:45 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090527200645.GA11584@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905271048.27837.kirk@strauser.com> <200905271152.34237.kirk@strauser.com> <20090527190230.GB9937@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:06:48 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:24:17PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I haven't looked at the ZFS code but this sort of thing is exactly why > >all code I write uses int8_t, int16_t, int32_t, uint8_t, ... even when > >the first thing I have to do with a new compiler is to work out the > >proper typedefs to create them. > > int, short and char are portable, only other things must be defined this > way. No, they are not portable. "int" is 16 bits on many systems I work with. char is sometimes signed, sometimes not. uint8_t is never signed and always unambiguous. > int8_t int16_t is just unneeded work. anyway - it's just defines, having > no effect on compiled code and it's performance. No, they are not "just defines", I said "typedef". Typedef is subject to stricter checking by the compiler. Packing and alignment in structs is a big portability problem. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:06:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6C11065753 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5428B8FC19 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RK6g39054744; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:06:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RK6f12054741; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:06:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:06:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Boosten In-Reply-To: <4A1D9B45.4050302@boosten.org> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <4A1D9B45.4050302@boosten.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:06:56 -0000 >>> >> exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >> because of forum - still read and posts here. >> > > None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. > Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is > irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and > it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on > this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated. Yes it's different. Again forum is important but it's completely secondary thing to what product (FreeBSD that case) offers. I too consider forum not very good, and i opted to create fully-moderated version that will strictly be moderated to keep topics only related to: - FreeBSD base system - ports as subsystem but not ported programs, as these programs have their own forums. This will solve all problems from both point of views. For example it would eliminate advertise/sponsoring offer and my response to this. and millions other problems. Of course unmoderated mailing list should be left as is. I swear i will not use it that case, cause it will not make any use of it for me. And ALL will be happy. Back to FreeBSD, i use it because it's (for me) best unix system available in the world, closest to what unix should be. And i do need unix system. Forum quality is secondary thing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:07:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0004C106568D for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA6A8FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:07:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 1927 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2009 20:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 20:07:14 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id A03D428435; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:07:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:07:14 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090527200714.GB11584@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20090527191357.GD9937@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Andrew Gould , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: interrupt storm on irq 10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:07:18 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:30:19PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I'm not telling that you are wrong that cable produced this, but i > can't find any explanation for that. One two-port controller card, two drives, two cables. Interrupt storms move from one port to the other with the suspect cable no matter which drive is connected to that cable, no matter which port it is connected to. Two supposedly identical SATA cables purchased together. Will purchase new cables to try tonight. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:08:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5151065670 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:08:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0713C8FC1F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4RK85YE023647 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:08:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 76925BA8E; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:08:05 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527200805.GA20419@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4A1AA3DC.5020300@network-i.net> <200905271048.27837.kirk@strauser.com> <200905271152.34237.kirk@strauser.com> <20090527190230.GB9937@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Software RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:08:10 -0000 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:24:17PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I haven't looked at the ZFS code but this sort of thing is exactly why > > all code I write uses int8_t, int16_t, int32_t, uint8_t, ... even when > > the first thing I have to do with a new compiler is to work out the > > proper typedefs to create them. >=20 > int, short and char are portable,=20 Not completely, at least as far as C is concerned. I'd say that char and long are portable, but not short and int. According to K&R (and I don't think this has changed in later standards), a char is defined as one byte. Short, int and long can vary but short and int must be at least 16 bits, and a long must be at least 32 bits. Additionally a short may not be longer than an int which may not be longer than a long. But the size of an int depends on hardware platform and compiler data model. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkodnaUACgkQEnfvsMMhpyURWgCdFilgOTHdQFtX9nVOQfVTeKYF AAEAn0ENltNQIGFdAUUjzyo7UqgZJmly =e93a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:09:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B858C1065674 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D708FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F927E83F; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:09:30 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:09:28 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: "John Dakos \[ Enovation Technologies \]" , Zbigniew Szalbot Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:09:32 -0000 On Monday 25 May 2009 13:53:40 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Hello, > > > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, > > > > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail > > I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: > http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever possible. b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that specific database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my own. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 14:12:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0371065694 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497168FC28 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E4316C1830; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:10:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4REAYqH034918; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:10:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:10:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Andrew Gould Message-Id: <20090527161034.47790ae2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> <20090527052335.7a71bfc6.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905262234s35857487xbf631bea45a018e@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:12:01 +0000 Cc: Glen Barber , Polytropon , Steve Bertrand , utisoft@gmail.com, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:12:37 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:02:08 -0500, Andrew Gould wrote: > You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop flag to a > database when the system starts and stops. This wouldn't account for > improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a "stop" date/time was > missing. I've used a similar (but more easily designed) approach to have a file /var/log/activity.log. This, of course, doesn't apply for servers that run day by day, but for systems that are powered off when not in use. Simple thing, just a formatted date and uptime into a text file, run by rc.local and rc.shutdown.local. My "best time" with FreeBSD 7 system: 2008-12-14 00:27:42 - 2008-12-20 03:41:44 - 6 days, 3:14, 0 users And FreeBSD 5: 2007-02-23 04:54:07 - 2007-03-06 02:14:46 - 10 days, 21:21, 1 user That's not the majority of entries, most of them are just a few hours. Keep in mind that it is NOT a server - these lines would look terrible if it would. :-) > If you also documented the installation date/time of various components, > you could also track their lives separately. At least their live IN USE. In many cases, it's no problem to use a hard disk or a optical disc drive longer than the period it is utilized in the server - it doesn't break when you switch to a newer system. Erm sorry, I forgot the truth: It will of course break before this point in time; in fact, it will break when you need it most. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:12:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AEA10657FD for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:12:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3148FC2B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so5021812bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:12:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1q/0Gkou4yG35y/hUYb08NGsyLgcdPnJLDMmndiAWUY=; b=SFPhnB1NNhyNX1id9eO111x0A2uDn4ThHG2tPcAK/kmKRCf9tDgAN8hpfL10r4A5jV Qt0TE/WPa3hiy1aHn5tTkKMT6JDEe4antUt3qk/qiZDYP4qGyZZUF3SBgoxgzIezopKa bZ7l5sDSgg7254J1eiCXfPvb2x0ZMETWmofUE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FgNmB7f2aPxBqgGsuH6xAk8/aT006LdWZpTn64En1UHBPt9/+D2twPET69E5eEyU1w Yijw/wj3Dnl+CkTzk4q684Wzhps0uAayF7jygC0loNFisJpFovKGupo+th3ZcLIRbf5M IMfGQD9H/7/OorkJB4a02WZt0BRV/2nw/7OFU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.132 with SMTP id a4mr348334bkq.27.1243455133355; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:12:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <4A1D9B45.4050302@boosten.org> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:11:53 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Neal Hogan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Peter Boosten Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:12:17 -0000 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >>>> >>> exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >>> because of forum - still read and posts here. >>> >> >> None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. >> Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is >> irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and >> it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on >> this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly >> unappreciated. > > Yes it's different. Again forum is important but it's completely secondary > thing to what product (FreeBSD that case) offers. > > I too consider forum not very good, and i opted to create fully-moderated > version that will strictly be moderated to keep topics only related to: > > - FreeBSD base system > - ports as subsystem but not ported programs, as these programs have their > own forums. > > This will solve all problems from both point of views. > > For example it would eliminate advertise/sponsoring offer and my response to > this. and millions other problems. > > Of course unmoderated mailing list should be left as is. > > I swear i will not use it that case, cause it will not make any use of it > for me. > > And ALL will be happy. > > > Back to FreeBSD, i use it because it's (for me) best unix system available > in the world, closest to what unix should be. > And i do need unix system. > > Forum quality is secondary thing. So if you only want base-system and ports discussed strictly, there's always ports@ and stable@. This list is for helping people with any sort of questions. ANY questions. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:15:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96404106567A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:15:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC868FC26 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:15:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M9PWg-0003Jj-BH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:15:02 +0000 Received: from 70.67.160.177 ([70.67.160.177]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:15:02 +0000 Received: from prad by 70.67.160.177 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:15:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: prad Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:40:14 -0700 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.67.160.177 X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Sender: news Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:15:08 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200 "Chris Knipe" wrote: > Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I > no longer use FreeBSD. > i really don't understand this. it would make sense for you to ignore the forum, but why take it out on the os? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:15:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BDE1065675 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C838FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so5023692bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:15:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vy9PLmpU4Cq54X6QtvqsIKLFSsqC95/G1ixUWrrC0qk=; b=KvgO9aAAwy0L/E3/eGhUWR1ERMUIJpdedB34teqCUV+BqVJvG/LDSYD/FUTY2enJFl Z7uf10/3sFMu4aWtntuOdqFXs2bRNrsePi9q97PYYZjmFPuNiq7lgcQN1djqtxGSyceS o+e9/k0xqYRdR63Rf55okDkLXzVmq6CiEqdAs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=b+zh1zNhyfmZpU8gwR8Nui1hKBZfq/uL1shRVdmwkIhLL0XyKkIROb46uKEYC7gPa/ CoLOMx1btbj4re8D+4gW741I0n9Z/DY55stVYHEsaFoAYajBIvEUkJO7wA6pA03+BgiG jv5q5arRdBT8jLv57MRfW+IJ/RE/J+/VzZyW0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.50.212 with SMTP id a20mr350313bkg.35.1243455309160; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:15:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:14:49 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:15:11 -0000 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >>> "mainstream", or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. >> >> Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But >> don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing > > reread my posts. i didn't speak for them and i said that i'm not them. > i AS USUAL tell what i think. > > And YOU just don't accept this because it's completely different point of > view than yours. You - like most people - react with fear/aggression when > hearing/reading something completely agains the knowledge you've been put to > the brain for years. Who is right doesn't matter at all that cases. > > I understand this because is natural reaction, often not fully conscious. > > As you - and few other people - can not use arguments just attacks, it make > the list polluted. > > And - back to that funny "sponsor" - I can only do favour sending them out. > Can't you see it's semi-automatic posts to whatever he found, because he > just want to advertise yourself and his "webpage improvement" services? > (improvement==adding tons of flash, javas...t etc.) > > He wanted his banner on FreeBSD site for <100$ > > Or maybe i'm wrong - if so, please Core Team to put our little company's > link on my page and i will send 100$ today. Don't forget to give me account > number. > > Even more - i will find 10 friends to do the same. Just 10 links with small > letters ;) and 1000$ is yours. > > The trick of doing ANY business, and non-profit work is to NOT TAKE EVERY > CRAP, just because you see money. I'm sure you already know it in your > business, so why can't you see this here? But it's NOT YOUR BUSINESS. It also wasn't automated. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:18:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F291065693 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:18:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D888FC17 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.139] (helo=smtp8.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9PZb-0000YN-Bz; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:18:03 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp8.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9PZa-00008f-Ay; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:18:02 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D703983B; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1D9FF8.4050803@boosten.org> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:18:00 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <4A1D9B45.4050302@boosten.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1M9PZa-00008f-Ay X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:18:06 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> >>> exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >>> because of forum - still read and posts here. >>> >> >> None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. >> Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is >> irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and >> it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on >> this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly >> unappreciated. > > Yes it's different. Again forum is important but it's completely > secondary thing to what product (FreeBSD that case) offers. No wait... I was merely commenting on your comment: >>> exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >>> because of forum - still read and posts here. I agree with the comments made that sometimes your writings are quite interesting (about the 32 vs 64 bit architectures for instance). All of the below is valid for this mailing list (thanks to Roger ;) ). > > I too consider forum not very good, and i opted to create > fully-moderated version that will strictly be moderated to keep topics > only related to: > > - FreeBSD base system > - ports as subsystem but not ported programs, as these programs have > their own forums. > > This will solve all problems from both point of views. > > For example it would eliminate advertise/sponsoring offer and my > response to this. and millions other problems. > > Of course unmoderated mailing list should be left as is. > > I swear i will not use it that case, cause it will not make any use of > it for me. > > And ALL will be happy. > > > Back to FreeBSD, i use it because it's (for me) best unix system > available in the world, closest to what unix should be. > And i do need unix system. > Until here... > Forum quality is secondary thing. For you maybe, but some readers stop reading (and apparantly loose interest in FreeBSD as well) when the quality is poluted with flames, personal remarks, whatever distracts from the real issues that should be discussed here. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:23:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17EE1065677 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1FD8FC24 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from [85.173.16.226] (helo=moosi) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1M9PeZ-000DUt-Hs; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:23:11 +0400 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:23:44 +0400 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Wed\, 27 May 2009 17\:57\:41 +0200 \(CEST\)") Message-ID: <81626911@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:23:14 -0000 Wojciech Puchar writes: >>>> 1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD (restore a quote Wojciech deletted intentionally) >>> add two zeroes to this values then maybe FreeBSD core team will be >>> interested. of course i can't speak of them, but i think so. >> >> No, any financial contributions are welcome. > > they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. Please, stop it. I answered not to the OP's email but to your email with the qoutes you had done. There was nothing about logo, etc. at your email. That's the difference. WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:26:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE5D10656A7 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:26:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC848FC0A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB607E83F; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:26:08 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:26:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <200905272157.48114.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272226.05732.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Jos Chrispijn , Wojciech Puchar Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:26:12 -0000 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 21:59:58 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> but is it for video? seems like sound broadcast > > > > It doesn't care what's inside the ogg container: > > http://www.theora.org/benefits/ > > good. i was suggested by /usr/ports/audio/ > > anyway for just playing static video/audio files on user request it's just > exaggeration. I don't see what static content has got to do with it. OP wants a different delivery method. Just like you can download the static FreeBSD DVD via ftp/http or torrent. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:30:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8A41065A02 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from savage@savage.za.org) Received: from ctb-mesg-2-1.saix.net (ctb-mesg-2-1.saix.net [196.25.240.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4626A8FC13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from savage@savage.za.org) Received: from fusion.opticnetworks.net (dsl-145-150-98.telkomadsl.co.za [165.145.150.98]) by ctb-mesg-2-1.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B7CF888 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:30:01 +0200 (SAST) Received: by fusion.opticnetworks.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5A394161E66; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:30:01 +0200 (SAST) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:30:01 +0200 From: Chris Knipe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:30:19 -0000 On 27/05/09 12:40 -0700, prad wrote: >On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:34:04 +0200 >"Chris Knipe" wrote: > >> Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I >> no longer use FreeBSD. >> >i really don't understand this. >it would make sense for you to ignore the forum, but why take it out on >the os? Because it's here to support the OS, and the level of support relates -directly- to what I can expect here in terms of support of the OS, not even getting started on the LEVEL of support and the PROFESIONALISM of said support, or accuracy there of. Hell, I'm to scared to post and ask a question because of starting a 'flame war'. Perception is everything, and the IMAGE of FreeBSD that is created by this forum, is one of a minority bunch of toddlers, throwing their toys in a cot about each and every little thing that does not go the way they want it. This thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest little thing that annoyed someone else. GROW UP PEOPLE FFS. If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you have a mature OS... Why am I still here, replying, reading? Because, I'm INTERESTED. But that too, will more than likely start a completely different spin off and flame war and mass mails now, with questions like why am I interested and not using FreeBSD.... -- Chris. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:34:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5ACB1065690 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218638FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:34:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RKYcck054931; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:34:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RKYaGZ054928; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:34:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:34:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905272226.05732.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <200905272157.48114.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200905272226.05732.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jos Chrispijn , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:34:50 -0000 > > I don't see what static content has got to do with it. OP wants a different > delivery method. Just like you can download the static FreeBSD DVD via > ftp/http or torrent. i said "exaggeration", not "wrong way". if there is a requirement to use THAT delivery method from client, you are absolutely right. But if someone just want to put some movies on his/her webpage, or maybe create youtube-like service, then storing with FTP/HTTP is just best. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:38:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135F610656CB for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51048FC23 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wk3Y1b01o0bG4ec59keuMK; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:54 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wkes1b0031f6R9u3PkesB2; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:53 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 27 May 2009 13:38:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:38:50 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527203850.GL2138@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.x X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:38:54 -0000 On Wed 27 May 2009 at 09:44:03 PDT Glen Barber wrote: >This is enough. I agree. It is characteristic of flamewars that the participants are no longer talking about anything except each other. It's entirely off-topic. I don't know which is more tiresome, Wojciech's edgy remarks or the constant carping about the way he expresses himself. Ad hominem: attacking the man (or his manner of speaking) rather than the substance of his statements. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:44:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821D910656B9 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C95998FC13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 May 2009 20:44:11 -0000 Received: from host-194126238033.net-serwis.pl (EHLO bobcat.edu) [194.126.238.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp070) with SMTP; 27 May 2009 22:44:11 +0200 X-Authenticated: #18511094 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18lH+wx9mwlb4/cr+wwvligGo0YFLFpG8rB8h1sdp Rle5Diqul2dK/F Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:43:51 +0200 From: herbert langhans To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> Organization: private X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) X-Face: q+q_R4e*MWOR3888mPIAZc/FNaS!=`.[B6uaBUuT)S0@80[:sij*]j?Vo57(D|Gt-kv8h\y M~EX/qT%sIl^Z(x'h(r}f%$KLA[ZBIpzr{$|9w!e9]>isP8uu-A6k:}[)={{B}(@}*lOADil'U|daw xlj24v2,"<%CX2@vhLl+yo_u.K Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.8 Subject: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:44:17 -0000 Hi Daemons, a short question: I can delete the .tar.gz files from /usr/ports/distfiles - is this correct? Not that some port tree management goes crazy (dependencies or such).. Thanks herb langhans From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:44:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D8110656DF for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3448FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M9Pz7-00054G-5X for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:44:25 +0000 Received: from 70.67.160.177 ([70.67.160.177]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:44:25 +0000 Received: from prad by 70.67.160.177 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:44:25 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: prad Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:44:11 -0700 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <20090527134411.140ea4c7@gom> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.67.160.177 X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Sender: news Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:44:28 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:30:01 +0200 Chris Knipe wrote: > If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you > have a mature OS... > i think it is a good idea for people to act maturely on forums otherwise we stop communicating and start screammunicating. > Why am I still here, replying, reading? Because, I'm INTERESTED. > and that's probably the best reason for staying. i think different people have different 'visions' for freebsd and are passionately attached to their own. as long as they express their viewpoint maturely in accordance with proper forum etiquette there is room for the variety of visions. i think you, for instance, have just done so in this concerned and detailed post (that may be the second best reason for not leaving). you've addressed specific matters regarding the image of freebsd. whether others agree or disagree with you is not relevant so long as they 1) express themselves maturely 2) justify their viewpoint rationally -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:50:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510AC1065674 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:50:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7528FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 16:50:32 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id KWV31304; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 16:50:31 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18973.42902.732223.265821@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:50:30 -0400 To: herbert langhans In-Reply-To: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:50:33 -0000 herbert langhans writes: > I can delete the .tar.gz files from /usr/ports/distfiles - is this correct? > > Not that some port tree management goes crazy (dependencies or such).. If you want to be selective, try "portsclean" which is part of portupgrade(-*). Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:56:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4A81065675 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0D28FC18 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RKuG6v055072; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RKuFMT055041; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:55:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chris Knipe In-Reply-To: <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:56:25 -0000 > thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many > threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest little > thing that annoyed someone else. GROW UP PEOPLE FFS. no matter what you think and what your opinion is, you will always find part of forum users to be what you said. It's natural with unmoderated forums! > If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you have > a mature OS... and it is. > Why am I still here, replying, reading? Because, I'm INTERESTED. Me too. Very interested to be able to get help and give help about FreeBSD. Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for example that: 1)" I do want to switch from Windows to FreeBSD and install KDE. How to do it. Or maybe GNOME is better" Moderator will delete this and reply for example "Please use KDE/gnome forums for KDE/gnome support. Please read FreeBSD handbook about how to install it. After reading it, if you have problems with installation - ask on the forum" 2) "We offer sponsoring. Our rules are........" Moderator will delete this and forward that mail to those that cares of FreeBSD foundation's finances. 3) "Is there a way to reduce the Vista to let's say 50 GByte and install FreeBSD -CURRENT in the remaining 200 GByte" Moderator will delete this and reply: "Please ask on any Windows Vista related forum about how to reduce windows partition without data loss. Then install FreeBSD as usual, creating slice on unused space. Please post if you will have troubles installing FreeBSD" -------------------------------------- O N L Y S T R I C T R U L E S W I L L G I V E H I G H Q U A L I T Y Of course present forum must be left as is, so everyone feeling "discriminated" could post freely. This rules should be CLEARLY defined, so everybody that want use moderated forum will know it, and have to obey or not use it. I don't know much about any moderating mailing lists software, but maybe just use NNTP? Excellent software is already here, and using NNTP is as very simple. Strict rules are not just needed, it's a requirement or never-ending discussion will be common as each of us have different point of view. Every computer project (and every non-computer too :) without well defined rules and ownership is just destined to fall, sooner or later. FreeBSD has at least ownership, linux don't have both. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 20:59:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9468C10656E7 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383348FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAPtFHUrUnwY0/2dsb2JhbADPFoQMBYY3 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.plus.net) ([212.159.6.52]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 21:59:05 +0100 Received: from 81.174.174.115 (SquirrelMail authenticated user custompc) by webmail.plus.net with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:59:05 +0100 Message-ID: <339939423b7073da421d122cf01b9e50.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:59:05 +0100 From: "Graham Bentley" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: UK Keyboard in 7.2 console and xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: admin@cpcnw.co.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:59:08 -0000 Hello, I have jsut loaded up 7.2, fetched the ports and installed xorg / fluxbox etc - for first time my kb / mouse didnt work in xorg but now I have that sorted with enabling hald etc However, I have noticed that the GBP symbol does not work? In console I get a beep, in xorg nothing. I have tried iso and cp850 keymaps Im sure I never came across this in previus version of FreeBSD. Can anyone give me a few pointers on how to resolve this? TIA! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:08:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE4B106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F048FC13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4RL8ZUB030096 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:08:35 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n4RL8ZVZ030095; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:08:35 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id 11DBEBEC7; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:53:52 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <4A1CB002.9070904@ibctech.ca> (message from Steve Bertrand on Tue, 26 May 2009 23:14:10 -0400) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Oasis. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20090527205353.11DBEBEC7@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:53:52 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:08:37 -0000 >> On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:14:10 -0400, >> Steve Bertrand said: S> Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, given this uptime in S> my relatively hostile environment. *sigh* I'll match your sigh and add some curse-words. One of our fileservers: date: Mon May 18 09:03:09 EDT 2009 uname: FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0 uptime: 9:03AM up 732 days, 11:36, 0 users Here's part of the output from "vmstat -s". I like the name lookups: 1644362297 cpu context switches 1093285479 device interrupts 1789304683 software interrupts 3124531993 traps 3752497578 system calls 2443779332 pages examined by the page daemon 1221349376 copy-on-write faults 3820203746 zero fill pages zeroed 1406714307 zero fill pages prezeroed 1893555896 total VM faults taken 3652052770 pages affected by fork() 2853118974 pages freed by exiting processes -92074736 total name lookups cache hits (449% pos + -1238% neg) system -1854% per-directory deletions -18%, falsehits 0%, toolong 0% Then our halfwit UPS decided to have a hissyfit and knock down this system plus four others. Fortunately, our backup server stayed up: date: Wed May 27 16:45:10 EDT 2009 uname: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0 uptime: 4:44PM up 595 days, 3:09, 1 user -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes (Translation: If you can read this, you're overeducated) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:08:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554961065670 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E888FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4RL8ZrK030104 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:08:35 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n4RL8Z3T030103; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:08:35 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id 315D9BEC7; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:00:37 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Andrew Gould on Wed, 27 May 2009 09:02:08 -0500) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Oasis. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20090527210037.315D9BEC7@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:00:37 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:08:37 -0000 >> On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:02:08 -0500, >> Andrew Gould said: A> You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop A> flag to a database when the system starts and stops. This wouldn't A> account for improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a "stop" A> date/time was missing. I have a script which runs fping on a bunch of servers and writes a timestamp for any host that answers. It's run every minute from cron on our loghost. Another script watches the results and sends me an IM if any of my boxes fails to respond for 3 minutes. I can put up a tarball if anyone's interested. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. --P.J. O'Rourke, "Parliament of Whores" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:10:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F38910657A1 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6C38FC1E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RLAOci055145; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:10:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RLAOSZ055142; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:10:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:10:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Graham Bentley In-Reply-To: <339939423b7073da421d122cf01b9e50.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Message-ID: References: <339939423b7073da421d122cf01b9e50.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Keyboard in 7.2 console and xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:10:36 -0000 > I have jsut loaded up 7.2, fetched the ports and installed xorg / fluxbox > etc - for first time my kb / mouse didnt work in xorg but now I have that > sorted with enabling hald etc > sorry if stupid question, but have xorg got radical changes within last months? I never needed hald to have keyboard and mouse under X working. it's all just matter of xorg.conf, and keyboard and mouse just need setting a type (like polish in my case). > However, I have noticed that the GBP symbol does not work? In console I > get a beep, in xorg nothing. I have tried iso and cp850 keymaps I can answer you in no-hald case. There are 2 things 1) If Xorg generate proper event when you press keyboard to get GBP symbol. You may check it with xev 2) If your fonts are set properly, and your xterm (or rxvt or whatever you use as a terminal) is configured properly so it will both accept and display it! about text mode console - i have this in my rc.conf: keymap="pl_PL.ISO8859-2" font8x14="iso02-8x14" font8x16="iso02-8x16" font8x8="iso02-8x8" to have fully working polish letters. You should have similar done for UK set. look at /usr/share/syscons/ to select proper items. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:11:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D53106573D for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF29E8FC1F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:11:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RLBH4f055158; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:11:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RLBHrs055155; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:11:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:11:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Karl Vogel In-Reply-To: <20090527205353.11DBEBEC7@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Message-ID: References: <20090527205353.11DBEBEC7@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:11:26 -0000 > > date: Mon May 18 09:03:09 EDT 2009 > uname: FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0 > uptime: 9:03AM up 732 days, 11:36, 0 users Hardly possible in Poland. i can't imagine 2 years without power failures :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:12:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEAD106568E for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAA88FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4RKuBi7083926; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0136DBA8E; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: herbert langhans Message-ID: <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:12:06 -0000 --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:43:51PM +0200, herbert langhans wrote: > Hi Daemons, > a short question:=20 >=20 > I can delete the .tar.gz files from /usr/ports/distfiles - is this correc= t? Sure. =20 > Not that some port tree management goes crazy (dependencies or such).. They won't. But they'll have to re-download relevent ones if you decide to rebuild a port. Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those distfiles that do not belong to installed ports. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkodqOoACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVbmgCfeqTjGO1dx8dINKmJr1SaCpjv SfQAnjPOZ+xNnln+EEEbg+gA5yJRH3wJ =x0Qj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:16:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A714E1065735 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:16:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=391a39e74=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F118FC27 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=391a39e74=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,261,1241413200"; d="scan'208";a="12593128" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 15:47:21 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C40C94EF37; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:47:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:47:21 +0000 From: Paul Schmehl To: Mel Flynn , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <7F8471369FCBE1D8AD52A9CE@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <200905272132.30356.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <1536DA231EE20F276D566076@Macintosh-2.local> <200905272132.30356.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Carlos Pardo Subject: Re: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet Dell 610 and Dell 710 servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:16:31 -0000 --On Wednesday, May 27, 2009 14:32:30 -0500 Mel Flynn wrote: > > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 02:08:38 Paul Schmehl wrote: >> --On May 25, 2009 4:02:57 PM -0700 Carlos Pardo >> >> wrote: >> > We are back porting the bce driver from 8.0 to 7.0. We are still missing >> > some changes since cold boots work but rebooting (warm booting) fails! >> > >> > The error is: >> > >> > bce0: ../../../dev/bce/if_bce.c(1386); Unable to write CTX memory: >> > cid_addr = 0x00000000, offset = 0x00000000! >> > >> > files back ported: >> > >> > bce/if_bce.h >> > bce/if_bcefw.h >> > bce/if_bvereg.h >> > mii/brgphy.c >> > mii/brgphyreg.h >> >> Why would you need to do that? There is a bce driver in the 7.x OS >> already. > > Cause it's unstable? Search these or many other archives. The short answer: > under IO load the card drops net link or panics kernel. > -- I have not experienced that. # uname -a FreeBSD mail.stovebolt.com 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #3: Wed Jul 2 18:44:10 CDT 2008 root@www2.stovebolt.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 # ifconfig bce0 bce0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=1bb ether 00:13:72:fb:2a:ad inet 66.221.101.249 netmask 0xffffe000 broadcast 66.221.127.255 inet 66.221.101.251 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 66.221.101.251 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* Check the headers before clicking on Reply. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:18:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7651065721 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout06-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout06-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 257B88FC26 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: (qmail 32500 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 21:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout06-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.102) with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 21:18:14 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:18:13 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Is this a gmirror bug? Thread-Index: Acne7/XvPqLEu8TvSiadjdq/8TEwiwAIG53w References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> From: "Peter Steele" To: "Wojciech Puchar" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:18:15 -0000 >did you checked that partitions with fsck? (fsck_ffs -y) > >does it detects errors and fix them? >after fsck is it ok or still nonsense in Used? Unfortunately I did not do the fsck. We have an automated reimaging process that lets me rebuild a system in less than five minutes so I decided for expediency to do this. If I see this happen again though, I'll run the fsck... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:20:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623F61065678 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A498FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so342394fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:20:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NysCRpR5uo50LdZM9doUtx10w7xDnvbBgwmzM2wMXH8=; b=F1eOYVbWkGIEwBUzAMiQH9WGaFINwqrnPvGPriyKxuZOMMgMS4Xp3Ain++HJ8xTrCz tdCH6FMH9q+ggDXO0r3wYWKINc/cxuE3G4pJH2fK1JGnWqW9e93Th2v5F1uBweyYXSyf b1FzFQ93Z/Zwi7FkTl0Lh96ItSe9sKTqjKjFI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KVo/OS4r3PmvuaLEb6+whkRhP9T3CNgHHWSGTxH2wS1SrJnuVr29YbXff7S2oSBF8X BDs3H/LLv3OQ3YX+Vex0BV3NsUQUoXhD0QWOfB8XBgqoptxY1e+pfh/PuciNUB7Wr8az AxJaYW93TxoqRWJ6fsyw4hSWajf+vK04zJhUM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.102 with SMTP id f38mr400405bkk.62.1243459235231; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:20:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:20:15 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:20:38 -0000 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : >> thread is a PERFECT example there of, but there are many, many, many >> threads that got COMPLETELY derailed because someone said the smallest >> little thing that annoyed someone else. =A0GROW UP PEOPLE FFS. > > no matter what you think and what your opinion is, you will always find > part of forum users to be what you said. > > It's natural with unmoderated forums! > >> If you want the world to believe you have a mature OS, *ACT* like you ha= ve >> a mature OS... > > and it is. > >> Why am I still here, replying, reading? =A0Because, I'm INTERESTED. > > Me too. Very interested to be able to get help and give help about FreeBS= D. > > > Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be > > - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD =3D=3D what is created by FreeBSD fund= ation > and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for exam= ple > that: > But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:31:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC8E106567C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67C18FC15 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:31:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1D37E837; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:31:15 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:31:11 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <200905272226.05732.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905272331.12954.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Jos Chrispijn , Wojciech Puchar Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:31:18 -0000 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 22:34:36 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I don't see what static content has got to do with it. OP wants a > > different delivery method. Just like you can download the static FreeBSD > > DVD via ftp/http or torrent. > > i said "exaggeration", not "wrong way". > > if there is a requirement to use THAT delivery method from client, you are > absolutely right. > > But if someone just want to put some movies on his/her webpage, or maybe > create youtube-like service, then storing with FTP/HTTP is just best. No, the keys are the size of the files and/or bandwidth available: - size matters? Yes, see pftop: DEST STATE AGE EXP PKTS BYTES 62.75.158.169:8020 4:4 05:03:05 23:59:59 380K 296M 5 hours of online radio and I downloaded 296Meg. I don't want that hitting my harddisk at all. And if I do, then I can always record it. - Bandwidth: This didn't interrupt noticeably with my work (ssh sessions) and other web use (port downloads, remote imap, webmail, smtp over ssh, etc) and I'm currently not using altq. That's just from client perspective. From server perspective, the bandwidth advantage should be clear. There's no real advantage to gain maintaining altq rules / mod_bandwidth / foo-solution or a streaming server, except if the former are already in place. Most important is to consider if your users "want to save the file", cause a lot of clients hide or don't provide this feature. Over time though, as speeds and availability increase more and more people are seeing the internet as "another harddrive" so that distinction will fade. If I'm correct, Jos is from .nl, where people are spoiled in that respect [1]. [1] http://www.upc.nl/internet/ up to 120MBit down, 10Mbit up. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:32:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25A3106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:32:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (brucec-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:c09::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0018FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:32:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4D8245402; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:32:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=8.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from gluon.draftnet (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:0:240:f4ff:fe57:9871]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:32:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:32:49 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090527223249.274ca0e0@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: References: <339939423b7073da421d122cf01b9e50.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Graham Bentley Subject: Re: UK Keyboard in 7.2 console and xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:32:59 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 23:10:24 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I have jsut loaded up 7.2, fetched the ports and installed xorg / > > fluxbox etc - for first time my kb / mouse didnt work in xorg but > > now I have that sorted with enabling hald etc > > > sorry if stupid question, but have xorg got radical changes within > last months? >=20 > I never needed hald to have keyboard and mouse under X working. it's > all just matter of xorg.conf, and keyboard and mouse just need > setting a type (like polish in my case). >=20 > > However, I have noticed that the GBP symbol does not work? In > > console I get a beep, in xorg nothing. I have tried iso and cp850 > > keymaps =46rom /usr/ports/UPDATING: 20090123: AFFECTS: users of x11-servers/xorg-server AUTHOR: rnoland@FreeBSD.org If you are using an older xorg.conf several config lines are no longer needed and will generate warnings when X is started. RgbPath will cause X to fail to start, remove it from your config. Server 1.5.3 also really wants to configure its input devices via hald. This is causing some issues with moused and /dev/sysmouse. There are a couple of options for how to deal with it. [...] What this means is that to get a UK keyboard layout in xorg you need a file in /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/ I've named my copy 10-x11-keyboard.fdi and it contains: kbd xorg microsoft gb --=20 Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:37:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF97106567B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:37:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D58B8FC13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAFtPHUrUnwY0/2dsb2JhbAC+NwGQIIJYAYE0BYY3 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.plus.net) ([212.159.6.52]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 22:37:51 +0100 Received: from 81.174.174.115 (SquirrelMail authenticated user custompc) by webmail.plus.net with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:37:53 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <339939423b7073da421d122cf01b9e50.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:37:53 +0100 From: "Graham Bentley" To: "Wojciech Puchar" User-Agent: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Keyboard in 7.2 console and xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: admin@cpcnw.co.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:37:54 -0000 > sorry if stupid question, but have xorg got radical changes within last > months? > Xorg -version = 1.6.1 compiled from msot recent ports Initially mouse and keyboard didnt work even with correct xorg settings. Now you need hald_enable="YES" and dbus_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and the ms / kbd will be detected. Apparently this behaviour can be overridden in xorg.conf itself with ; Option "AutoAddDevices" "off" Option "AutoEnableDevices" "off" To the Section "ServerFlags" Also, when creating your new xorg.conf (Xorg -configure) its best to add Option "DontZap" "false" otherwise ctrl-alt-backspc wont get out out of X and you end up pressing power button. I also founf that X -config xorg.config.new -retro is best way to test new xorg.conf > I never needed hald to have keyboard and mouse under X working You might with the latest version ... > >> However, I have noticed that the GBP symbol does not work? In console I >> get a beep, in xorg nothing. I have tried iso and cp850 keymaps Oddly at Login: I can actually get the gb pound symbol but as soom as I am logged in I get a beep !!! > You may check it with xev OK will check ... > about text mode console - i have this in my rc.conf: Yes, I have similar, well swiss is my fave but I have tried UK iso etc still no luck -- Be nice with people on the way up, you might meet them on the way down! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:42:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8FD1065676 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:42:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29E88FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAIZQHUrUnwY0/2dsb2JhbADOPoQNBYY3 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.plus.net) ([212.159.6.52]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 22:42:41 +0100 Received: from 81.174.174.115 (SquirrelMail authenticated user custompc) by webmail.plus.net with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:42:41 +0100 Message-ID: <6e5485961a574ec6ceafbbd03559ab31.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> In-Reply-To: <20090527223249.274ca0e0@gluon.draftnet> References: <339939423b7073da421d122cf01b9e50.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <20090527223249.274ca0e0@gluon.draftnet> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:42:41 +0100 From: "Graham Bentley" To: "Bruce Cran" User-Agent: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Keyboard in 7.2 console and xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: admin@cpcnw.co.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:42:43 -0000 > > What this means is that to get a UK keyboard layout in xorg you need a > file in /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/ > > I've named my copy 10-x11-keyboard.fdi and it contains: > > > > > > kbd > xorg > type="string">microsoft key="input.x11_options.XkbLayout" type="string">gb > > > Bruce, I am talking about the console. I have similar for xorg and the @ and " symbols are in the correct place - just no pound signs in either console or x !!! > -- Be nice with people on the way up, you might meet them on the way down! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:55:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A101106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7B38FC1B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M9R5P-0008RZ-M3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:54:59 +0000 Received: from 70.67.160.177 ([70.67.160.177]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:54:59 +0000 Received: from prad by 70.67.160.177 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:54:59 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: prad Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:54:43 -0700 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <20090527145443.3a2e181e@gom> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.67.160.177 X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Sender: news Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:55:01 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:20:15 +0100 Chris Rees wrote: > > - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD > > fundation and contributors. > > But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. > i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it in a different way. i also don't see what's so wrong about woj's statement. after all this is a freebsd-questions list so presumably there is nothing wrong with his asking to stay on topic. i haven't read through the posts and don't plan on doing so, but if there are wildly ot posts on the thread, i can understand why some people would be concerned. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 21:58:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E06106566B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64E18FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RLvwd2055437; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:57:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RLvwJp055434; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:57:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:57:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <20090527223249.274ca0e0@gluon.draftnet> Message-ID: References: <339939423b7073da421d122cf01b9e50.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <20090527223249.274ca0e0@gluon.draftnet> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Graham Bentley Subject: Re: UK Keyboard in 7.2 console and xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:58:13 -0000 > Server 1.5.3 also really wants to configure its input devices > via hald. This is causing some issues with moused and > /dev/sysmouse. There are a couple of options for how to deal one more question - does it mean that it "really wants" or "you don't have a choice at all". I'm asking to know if i have to make a copy of current Xorg servers in case of new installations. thank you very much From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:00:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7794106567A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F6C8FC0A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RM0OjN055485; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:00:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RM0NEv055482; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:00:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:00:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20090527145443.3a2e181e@gom> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <20090527145443.3a2e181e@gom> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:00:35 -0000 >>> - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD >>> fundation and contributors. >> >> But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. >> > i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it > in a different way. of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many times this or similar way at me that it matured! > i haven't read through the posts and don't plan on doing so, but if > there are wildly ot posts on the thread, i can understand why some > people would be concerned. and that's just another argument of making moderated list in parallel of this unmoderated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:02:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED0310657BE for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B15A8FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:02:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 May 2009 22:02:12 -0000 Received: from host-194126238033.net-serwis.pl (EHLO bobcat.edu) [194.126.238.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp009) with SMTP; 28 May 2009 00:02:12 +0200 X-Authenticated: #18511094 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19EAulik/ZE6oIAs3/qz9mkPh8XzdhcZJieXKo0zV iISGsHMzirlNYz Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:02:00 +0200 From: herbert langhans To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528000200.780502cf@bobcat.edu> In-Reply-To: <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Organization: private X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) X-Face: q+q_R4e*MWOR3888mPIAZc/FNaS!=`.[B6uaBUuT)S0@80[:sij*]j?Vo57(D|Gt-kv8h\y M~EX/qT%sIl^Z(x'h(r}f%$KLA[ZBIpzr{$|9w!e9]>isP8uu-A6k:}[)={{B}(@}*lOADil'U|daw xlj24v2,"<%CX2@vhLl+yo_u.K Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:02:18 -0000 Thanks, quite some GB I could clean out on my workstation running on a good(?) old(!) 20GB harddisk.. herb langhans On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:43:51PM +0200, herbert langhans wrote: > > Hi Daemons, > > a short question: > > > > I can delete the .tar.gz files from /usr/ports/distfiles - is this correct? > > Sure. > > > Not that some port tree management goes crazy (dependencies or such).. > > They won't. But they'll have to re-download relevent ones if you decide > to rebuild a port. > > Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those distfiles > that do not belong to installed ports. > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:02:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EF910656CE for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15EE8FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RM2ZUk055516; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:02:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RM2XMO055508; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:02:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:02:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905272331.12954.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <4A1A9FF0.40609@webrz.net> <200905272226.05732.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200905272331.12954.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jos Chrispijn , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Streaming server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:02:44 -0000 > DEST STATE AGE EXP PKTS BYTES > 62.75.158.169:8020 4:4 05:03:05 23:59:59 380K 296M > > 5 hours of online radio and I downloaded 296Meg. I don't want that hitting my > harddisk at all. And if I do, then I can always record it. you don't have to. use for example mplayer with URL as argument. > - Bandwidth: This didn't interrupt noticeably with my work (ssh sessions) and > other web use (port downloads, remote imap, webmail, smtp over ssh, etc) and > I'm currently not using altq. same as above. > > That's just from client perspective. From server perspective, the bandwidth > advantage should be clear. There's no real advantage to gain maintaining altq > rules / mod_bandwidth / foo-solution or a streaming server, except if the > former are already in place. > > Most important is to consider if your users "want to save the file", cause a > lot of clients hide or don't provide this feature. Over time though, as speeds > and availability increase more and more people are seeing the internet as > "another harddrive" so that distinction will fade. anyway lots of people do download things to disks. the disks are usually huge today and mostly unused. > > If I'm correct, Jos is from .nl, where people are spoiled in that respect [1]. > > [1] http://www.upc.nl/internet/ up to 120MBit down, 10Mbit up. > -- > Mel > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:06:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B036610657C7 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E3A8FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:06:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RM6P3I055553; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:06:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RM6OiE055550; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:06:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:06:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:06:41 -0000 >> Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be >> >> - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD fundation >> and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for example >> that: >> > > But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. I'm very sorry for troubling you, but - as you and others - i have the same right to present my opinions. And both of us don't have right to "shut up" others, until any of us create it's own forum and define clear posting rules. I think you should try more to control your reactions. The first thing is to understand their mechanism, after you truly understand them, controlling will be easy. I wish it will help you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:08:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB544106567F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:08:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DCC8FC18 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:08:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RM8D1Y055569; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:08:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RM8DZs055566; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:08:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:08:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Steele In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:08:18 -0000 >> does it detects errors and fix them? >> after fsck is it ok or still nonsense in Used? > > Unfortunately I did not do the fsck. We have an automated reimaging > process that lets me rebuild a system in less than five minutes so I > decided for expediency to do this. If I see this happen again though, > I'll run the fsck... > > and if it will fix a problem, make "master images" again with this or it will bring error back. How this "reimaging" work if i may ask? bootable DVD with unix and script that do zcat [partition image.gz] >/dev/partition ? that's how i do this in places there is a requirement of running windows. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:09:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3854C10656F8 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D335D8FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so7118869qyk.3 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:09:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zgyo+9h/kk+ScXGbsCarsh8MJM5zeNDXfDykHnz7dEo=; b=EgsAxri+3xqhsPbooUJ8Jtv0D4+4VlLVjsv+u5lMrT2Uxkh1rB1xSvbXNlIx+UkKMD hINvGui/mOMtAdJa0ikgeSiZIxLQdw2u47tFqLJwygnrLO7rEr1Tn4ZOCfAqZkD+4frm rTHgfwVSpbf06JE/Lq6solMzXnw6ouG0Y6Zf8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=m89yvlZ1Yp5c2YWFtpK8GcKlhrP+Tkz3viAlU4dmufwMajbIvb7vjx0z0Vs2lBnM2u LgodQBUfVn4RbMT7KPNl29cJnT2wzSHoRBsLkR2oR/DfFqSS4BNVuD9mvY2GYqooOKKd 1B3mAbfr6DdaRT2SQgy+qoJmAMdGx75j/pcSo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.11.1 with SMTP id r1mr359689ibr.23.1243462172691; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:09:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Roland Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: herbert langhans , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:09:34 -0000 2009/5/27 Roland Smith : > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:43:51PM +0200, herbert langhans wrote: >> Hi Daemons, >> a short question: >> >> I can delete the .tar.gz files from /usr/ports/distfiles - is this correct? > > Sure. > >> Not that some port tree management goes crazy (dependencies or such).. > > They won't. But they'll have to re-download relevent ones if you decide > to rebuild a port. > > Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those distfiles > that do not belong to installed ports. I love portmaster. Another advantage of ports-mgmt/portmaster: $ head -n4 `which portmaster` #!/bin/sh # Copyright (c) 2005-2009 Douglas Barton, All rights reserved # Please see detailed copyright below (I'm glad this isn't "beer license", cos I'd owe Mr. Barton a lot of beer) -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:10:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0FF1065756 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659368FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4RM8JdD055173; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:08:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n4RM8Jjk055172; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:08:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:08:19 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:10:14 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:21:19PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>"mainstream", or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. > > > >Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But > >don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing > reread my posts. i didn't speak for them and i said that i'm not them. > i AS USUAL tell what i think. > > And YOU just don't accept this because it's completely different point of > view than yours. You - like most people - react with fear/aggression when > hearing/reading something completely agains the knowledge you've been put > to the brain for years. Who is right doesn't matter at all that cases. > > I understand this because is natural reaction, often not fully conscious. > > As you - and few other people - can not use arguments just attacks, it > make the list polluted. Sorry to wade in to this, but the reality has been and is just the oposite. It is m. Puchar who has been making reactionary responses and somewhat unkind ones at that. Is it a language issue? Or is it a lack in self awareness/examination? ////jerry > And - back to that funny "sponsor" - I can only do favour sending them > out. Can't you see it's semi-automatic posts to whatever he found, because > he just want to advertise yourself and his "webpage improvement" services? > (improvement==adding tons of flash, javas...t etc.) > > He wanted his banner on FreeBSD site for <100$ > > Or maybe i'm wrong - if so, please Core Team to put our little > company's link on my page and i will send 100$ today. Don't forget to give > me account number. > > Even more - i will find 10 friends to do the same. Just 10 links with > small letters ;) and 1000$ is yours. > > The trick of doing ANY business, and non-profit work is to NOT TAKE EVERY > CRAP, just because you see money. I'm sure you already know it in your > business, so why can't you see this here? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:14:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF03E106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:14:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F28D8FC2C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:14:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4RMCBYH055214; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:12:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n4RMCBlt055213; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:12:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:12:11 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Neal Hogan Message-ID: <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:14:05 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: > >>> > >>> Of course - ban it! > >> > >> > >> Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why > >> I > >> no longer use FreeBSD.  Just about everything in these mailing lists turns > > > > If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) > > > > This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! > > Well, that certainly doesn't follow. Actually, that one does. If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference in your choice. If you stop using it because you don't like the noise, then functionality is not your high priority. Maybe saying 'at all' is over the top. But, anyway, the noise is getting tiresome - even mine. ////jerry > > -- > www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:15:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E122B10656AB for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:15:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99068FC1B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4RMEe7d007951; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:14:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C222EB58EA; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:14:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78F2B58E7; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:14:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 27 May 2009 17:14:40 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:14:27 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Sponsoring FreeBSD Thread-Index: AcnfF5H6nqi3obbLRdWXixdJI293RgAAEWWw References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de><744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com><065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org><20090527124014.6998139c@gom><20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Wojciech Puchar" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2009 22:14:40.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[879B4980:01C9DF18] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:15:19 -0000 PLEASE can we move on now! I prefer not to filter people cause on rare occasions everyone has something useful or funny to say and I don't want to miss those. Everyone is right, Everyone is wrong, kiss and make up - and then PLEASE STFU! And that's said with ALL due respect and not directed toward any one person! All this $hit DID make me realize I need to get my company to pony up some $$$ - FreeBSD has been beneficial to u, so thanks to all that support and maintain it!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:06 PM To: utisoft@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD >> Once again - please do moderated forum that posting rules will be >> >> - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD =3D=3D what is created by FreeBSD fundation >> and contributors. This means - base system+port system. And mean for example >> that: >> > > But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. I'm very sorry for troubling you, but - as you and others - i have the=20 same right to present my opinions. And both of us don't have right to=20 "shut up" others, until any of us create it's own forum and define clear posting rules. I think you should try more to control your reactions. The first thing is=20 to understand their mechanism, after you truly understand them,=20 controlling will be easy. I wish it will help you. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"

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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:15:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7626D10656C2 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008058FC2C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4RMF8Uj040529; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:15:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C172DBA84; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:15:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:15:07 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090527221507.GA24480@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <339939423b7073da421d122cf01b9e50.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <20090527223249.274ca0e0@gluon.draftnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Graham Bentley Subject: Re: UK Keyboard in 7.2 console and xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:15:21 -0000 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:57:58PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Server 1.5.3 also really wants to configure its input devices > > via hald. This is causing some issues with moused and > > /dev/sysmouse. There are a couple of options for how to deal >=20 > one more question - does it mean that it "really wants" or "you don't hav= e=20 > a choice at all". =20 The xorg-server port has an option not to use hal. But it is enabled by default. The first thing I did when it appeared was to disable it, and X has kept working normally with my xorg.conf slightly altered to conform to the 20090123 entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkodu2sACgkQEnfvsMMhpyXGAQCeOPzkJf6ElNMM1MCOadeCGg5/ lVUAn31W9F3fFniEX3hNDthR8lmBcrwt =VTHB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:15:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A701065740 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:15:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com (mail-gx0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205598FC33 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so1797170gxk.19 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:15:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=87CFPd61GD03/xoouex+P6YAo46RV2kPboB7TCfAccg=; b=M+GyBrGnOhs+3ivRZ2UowJXm3GfZ8nPNncAlMCWvwCDhz3OfDj6PWcJeUSqdbJAjpf hAoIQDKMx+PHAeWjdjt1lx1q3rsecPfIKlLnkGFA8cG3lazVVC9htKb0PVU5VJqgO/h4 zo5kl/BD43kozi2PqQD6amM/PzRF3RPZ8Y7bo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KSvRgbAQjsHpDA3hx5L9eICJbAfOlM/vHHiB1Yp/c0YPabhWp5tyQgnfu90SA+SaYC nM6VYFI1r3oNSKeSEPht+HsrrfUTHdYZkh24QVtYXN975mdhclGEn5HVdQbFdJR/uEWf p7yLGIAf4zweHAQKNg9Z8EEQEywgHjdv/qW/8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.122.11 with SMTP id z11mr1116749ybm.231.1243462558419; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:15:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <20090527145443.3a2e181e@gom> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, prad Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:15:59 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD >>>> fundation and contributors. >>> >>> But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. >>> >> i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it >> in a different way. > > of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many times this or > similar way at me that it matured! That's actually pretty funny! Nice! > >> i haven't read through the posts and don't plan on doing so, but if >> there are wildly ot posts on the thread, i can understand why some >> people would be concerned. > > and that's just another argument of making moderated list in parallel of > this unmoderated. As far as having the right to post your opinion . . sure . . . but that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others. Being of the opinion that the earth is flat is just not a very good opinion . . . no? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:23:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5AF1065675 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:23:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1E58FC0A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RMNcvj055749; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:23:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RMNcu6055746; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:23:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:23:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roland Smith In-Reply-To: <20090527221507.GA24480@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: References: <339939423b7073da421d122cf01b9e50.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <20090527223249.274ca0e0@gluon.draftnet> <20090527221507.GA24480@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Graham Bentley Subject: Re: UK Keyboard in 7.2 console and xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:23:52 -0000 > The xorg-server port has an option not to use hal. But it is enabled by > default. indeed | | [X] HAL Compile with HAL config support uffff :) how nice. while i have Xorg already installed when i need, and don't upgrade it (as it works fine), once again thank you very much for that info. it's always good to know this beforehand. > The first thing I did when it appeared was to disable it, and X > has kept working normally with my xorg.conf slightly altered to conform > to the 20090123 entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING. that's not a problem i always edit xorg.conf to some extent. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:26:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FE31065674 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:26:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC208FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:26:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RMQbmO055762; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:26:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RMQa7o055759; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:26:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:26:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:26:43 -0000 > Sorry to wade in to this, but the reality has been and is just the > oposite. It is m. Puchar who has been making reactionary responses > and somewhat unkind ones at that. Is it a language issue? Or is this. please tell me (privately) the fragment that you read as this, because everything i type i try to do it with clear explanation and arguments, not fighting. But i'm not native english speaker of course. >> He wanted his banner on FreeBSD site for <100$ >> >> Or maybe i'm wrong - if so, please Core Team to put our little >> company's link on my page and i will send 100$ today. Don't forget to give >> me account number. anyway, i reread the original "sponsoring" offer and i think i understand well. so - if FreeBSD team like to accept donations that way, my 100$ is still waiting :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:32:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0451065677 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F698FC22 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd7ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.162]) by pd7mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 16:03:31 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=9rjTU8DPb2HRjud2UgsA:9 a=sttw-ezVyogG5DdGwUoiVIpyQ74A:4 Received: from unknown (HELO gom) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd7ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 16:03:31 -0600 Received: from gom (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1849D21EF4 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:03:30 -0700 From: prad To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <20090527150330.448cdd7a@gom> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: rsync approach X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:32:00 -0000 we have 2 static ip addresses with a machine running 7.2 connected to each. one is the primary server, while the other does only dns and receives bkp dumps from the first. we want to set things up so the 2nd can be brought on line at a moment's notice. therefore, we are thinking of rsync to duplicate 1st > 2nd (with the exception of rc.conf and a few other files of course because we don't want them to be absolutely identical). we plan to allow root login and have disabled all password access so that rsync can preserve permissions. is this a good way to accomplish the bkp job? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:34:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9F31065680 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:34:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A859F8FC15 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:34:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RMYZ3B055806; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:34:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RMYYND055803; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:34:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:34:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:34:41 -0000 >> >> Well, that certainly doesn't follow. > > Actually, that one does. Don't bother, he just answered that after reading "wojciech puchar" in mail header, so he had to be against. > If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc > then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference > in your choice. i can give myself as an example. Even no forum at all won't make me change it. But i want high quality forum, because i like new users who want to learn "true good unix" to not be stucked up by some simple problem with that OS, that by accident isn't described well in handbook or manual. That's for what forum should be, and why it should be moderated, and posting rules clearly defined for all users. It will be then FreeBSD forum after all, not everything-about-something-more-or-less-remotely-connected-with-unix. > If you stop using it because you don't like the > noise, then functionality is not your high priority. Maybe saying > 'at all' is over the top. maybe not at all, but at least it means that such user don't see a functionality difference between FreeBSD and some other system, so he can choose because of forum "quality", personal taste, what name sounds better and what logo looks nicer. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:35:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4095E10656D7 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA49D8FC0A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:35:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: (qmail 27654 invoked from network); 27 May 2009 22:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.90) with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 22:35:55 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:35:53 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Is this a gmirror bug? Thread-Index: AcnfF9vEfAQNxeQKQKywQKpCXLsWPAAAoDZA References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> From: "Peter Steele" To: "Wojciech Puchar" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:35:57 -0000 >How this "reimaging" work if i may ask? bootable DVD with unix and script=20 >that do zcat [partition image.gz] >/dev/partition We have a two step process. First we run a script that creates the master image as a tgz. The image is created at an alternate root using the -C option of pkg_add and the DESTDIR option of the various OS install scripts. We only run this script when we need to make a change to the master image.=20 We use this image to create bootable USB sticks, and when a system is booted from one of these sticks there is automatic startup logic that clones the disk onto the target hard drive of the box (configuring the partitions and mirrors in the process) and then shuts the box down. We then simply have to remove the USB stick and reboot the box, and the system comes up with a clean OS. The whole cloning process only takes five minutes or so, and we can do multiple systems at a time using multiple USB drives. Works extremely well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:43:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADAF1065675 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:43:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C635C8FC0C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:43:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RMhiJT055849; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:43:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RMhhrb055846; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:43:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:43:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Neal Hogan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <20090527145443.3a2e181e@gom> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, prad Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:43:50 -0000 > > As far as having the right to post your opinion . . sure . . . but > that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others. > Being of the opinion that the earth is flat is just not a very good > opinion . . . no? exactly. but as you may compare some of my opinions to "flat earth" as i may do it with some your opinions. It's normal, and it's OK as long as there are discussion on arguments, and with at least basic culture. But it's getting hard here because of no more than 3 people here+"crowd psychology" that make many others behave the same after them. And it will not end, and will become worse and worse when more and more new people will come. The only way to control it is to define posting rules, which are absolutely clear. MAYBE it can go without classic moderation just informing rule-breakers about it. But i don't think so, as after some times there will be people that will ignore it, so moderation is needed. There will not be much job to moderator, on-topic FreeBSD questions volume is low. And will be kept low quantity but high quality. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:55:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B011065674 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:55:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DD18FC13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:55:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C107B8033; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:54:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1243464862; bh=byR1UxxnM05Z0eiuxa5dVv+8442oQ+4Eh7eG7Wpi9xg=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZxtSdvjQlQNLJOQ0hhK3m4HjTcXKroXfMTTa9VP9ltEkZ2KJvhSCp2IfVZVAoe6ED +lLqRox1iumjAUMD+FLTQm5yEVctjftc4rj+lqw/tSBdFv8zIF3rMWeSC+mQHDIto3 SoPwZNGeewylVBj5M0+3y8ISs9Wb887v5nzwJ2jo= Received: from relay.lc-words.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.lc-words.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 51798-01; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:54:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C2BB802C; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:54:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 77.254.171.13 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:54:21 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:54:21 +0200 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: "Wojciech Puchar" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Jerry McAllister , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:55:32 -0000 Hi there, First of all, if anyone is still reading it, I apologize if I sounded harsh but I do care about FreeBSD so it does bother me that potential supporters are turned down. Explanation below. > anyway, i reread the original "sponsoring" offer and i think i understand > well. so - if FreeBSD team like to accept donations that way, my 100$ is > still waiting :) I am afraid you still do not understand it. This sponsorship offer was NOT directed to you. Neither was it to me. I did not reply to it because it was clearly addressed to the core team. I still cannot understand why you - an active, experienced and knowledgeable FBSD user - would want to scare off potential donors for the project? Contrary to you, I work in the fundraising field and I cannot imagine turning people down that way. Secondly, some donors often start by making small donations but they may at some point cosinder "upgrading" their level of contribution. There is nothing wrong with that. And thirdly, I may have missed something but when did someone from the core team say that "they like to accept donations that way"? Yours, -- Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 22:56:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B0C1065678 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com (mail-gx0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6499C8FC12 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so1842357gxk.19 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:56:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=p5caXGaHBJqV7gNDjeZokVjBfh0UPyJ8mbUiytVAaCM=; b=XZFIXrTF5YGWkNOMaZGE0EpWD61TDtWQa2TdLZcOnB5wvU4pNgPRmk6RAVsvOHBOLp gB4ZX9pgV/KjLjJVKBXmTJnMhnLR9A59NUBORbWvLjIZWYZlKkAn95rzQ2EmvewpzD52 7bMLX9zfHHa0zFDs7NImTByxpsY++W463tFJU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EY2YiGqtpHq1YE1/qQAZIh2m1KZThOv/8mmNqhAR++d1mSkZB3/bqdRUDpMOCiXlrq JylX58OBJCCkWJhaei7xBPS5D2330GY3eLFmVtVKOquGlDHxXSpSD8M6wyDxGZ7ZLBWC /m8yCDZBn8a3QQb3Vkx9u8wxGfvZlrukf8aWE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.203.4 with SMTP id a4mr1137213ybg.283.1243464972230; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:56:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:56:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:14 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> Well, that certainly doesn't follow. >> >> Actually, that one does. > > Don't bother, he just answered that after reading "wojciech puchar" in ma= il > header, so he had to be against. No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If so, good luck making that argument. Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread, appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to fail (for whatever reason) to understand that your opinionated comments may need to be better thought out. If you were the "monitor" of your utopian mailing list, what would you have done with your response to the OP? > >> If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc >> then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference >> in your choice. > > i can give myself as an example. Even no forum at all won't make me chang= e > it. > > But i want high quality forum, because i like new users who want to learn > "true good unix" to not be stucked up by some simple problem with that OS= , > that by accident isn't described well in handbook or manual. > > That's for what forum should be, and why it should be moderated, and post= ing > rules clearly defined for all users. > > It will be then FreeBSD forum after all, not > everything-about-something-more-or-less-remotely-connected-with-unix. > >> =A0If you stop using it because you don't like the >> noise, then functionality is not your high priority. =A0 =A0Maybe saying >> 'at all' is over the top. > > maybe not at all, but at least it means that such user don't see a > functionality difference between FreeBSD and some other system, so he can > choose because of forum "quality", personal taste, what name sounds bette= r > and what logo looks nicer. > --=20 www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:00:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2972106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CE78FC15 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd5ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.164]) by pd7mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 17:00:22 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=m3I0QBNoWb8MievYCcMA:9 a=MxkZ-zR84-HNAkIXxbZBC2rW_h4A:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 Received: from unknown (HELO gom) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd5ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 17:00:22 -0600 Received: from gom (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDA021EF4 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:00:21 -0700 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090527160021.3174fd00@gom> In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <20090527145443.3a2e181e@gom> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:00:23 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:15:58 -0500 Neal Hogan wrote: > > of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many > > times this or similar way at me that it matured! > > That's actually pretty funny! Nice! > yes that is very well done! > As far as having the right to post your opinion . . sure . . . but > that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others. > of course that goes both ways which is why a certain amount of relevance is a good idea. for instance, on the physicsforums there is a rule that you are to stick with established theories and not go into outer space with pet speculations (not to say new ideas aren't welcome though ... just within context). this is quite understandable since people are interested in physics and not the inner-ramblings of someone's mind. therefore, it seems that keeping the list to fbsd issues is a valid point. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:02:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C7F106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from troy@i2bnetworks.com) Received: from i2bnetworks.com (odyssey.prod.i2bnetworks.com [66.181.0.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215068FC13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:02:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from troy@i2bnetworks.com) Received: from [10.181.6.201] (ip-66-181-6-201.cust.i2bnetworks.com [66.181.6.201]) by i2bnetworks.com (8.14.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id n4RMMbkt019344 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:22:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@i2bnetworks.com) Message-Id: <8940FAF1-E405-4511-B16A-DD842FE460B7@i2bnetworks.com> From: Troy Beisigl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:22:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: RTL8111-GR driver for FreeBSD6.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:02:35 -0000 Hi all, I have been looking for and have not been able to find out if there is a driver for FreeBSD6.4 that supports the RTL8111-GR network adaptor. This is a port that is built into the Intel DG31PR Motherboard. Has anyone been able to get this network card to work under 6.4? Thanks, Troy Beisigl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:02:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AC61065672 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E0F8FC14 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RN2ZN7055989; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:02:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RN2Z7Z055986; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:02:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:02:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de><744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com><065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org><20090527124014.6998139c@gom><20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:02:40 -0000 > to miss those. > > Everyone is right, Everyone is wrong, kiss and make up - and then PLEASE > STFU! And that's said with ALL due respect and not directed toward any > one person! > > All this $hit DID make me realize I need to get my company to pony up > some $$$ - FreeBSD has been beneficial to u, so thanks to all that > support and maintain it!!! > good idea. of course i mean you like to sponsor FreeBSD, not buy advert on main page which is IMHO not possible. And if you plan "dedicated" sponsoring for creating moderated forum, i could do this. i don't have that much money, but i can give 200$ for this. Or maybe - lets gather up more people to pay few tens of $ per month eatch to pay someone willing to work as a moderator? It's not very time consuming job (traffic won't be enormous), so it would be enough. I personally could give 100PLN (about 33$ now) per month. Core Team must agree to keep that moderated forum on their site. Of course if they will not - nobody forbids creating it alone, but i am definitely against it. I think they will agree if some funding will be available and/or moderators will be available. As Tou said - FreeBSD is beneficial for us, actually i can't imagine doing my job without it, so i will be happy to reward too. Other option - no money, but at least 5 people that will be moderators giving their little job as FreeBSD support. As time allows. I know all of us is more or less busy with daily jobs, but with at least 5 people there will be always someone to moderate at any time. It would be best to choose people from different timezones, so there will not be "dead time" every day. People will not be happy to wait half a day for their post to pass through moderator. But finally - posting rules MUST BE defined (or at least accepted after discussion) by Core Team if they agree. it's their system/project/site anyway. Moderators should only be workers/executors to prevent ANY cases that someone is blocked because moderator don't like him/her. How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. after all there is much less than 100 strictly on-topic posts per day. it's not that much job to moderate it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:08:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0F7106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DB28FC15 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RN8U7O056037; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:08:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RN8UPE056034; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:08:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:08:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jerry McAllister , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:08:35 -0000 > I am afraid you still do not understand it. This sponsorship offer was NOT > directed to you. Neither was it to me. I did not reply to it because it > was clearly addressed to the core team. it was addressed to mailing list. if he would like to address it to core team, then he would do this! to be clear - it was mostly spam-like post. > I still cannot understand why you - an active, experienced and > knowledgeable FBSD user - would want to scare off potential donors for the once again please reread that post. it wasn't even potential donor, but potential advert buyer. But if i'm really wrong, i will mail him and say that he can buy advert on FreeBSD webpage for 100$. Actually i talked with him privately so it won't be a problem. in the same time, i will get another 100$ as it's quite cheap price for advert on such popular webpage! I think you finally catched what i mean, if not - i will try to explain again. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:13:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82B9106566C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0F98FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so2714335ywe.13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:13:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; bh=u+SyxGtw3kdlw3dukD39+WeO81uKrGfzaq02UTOkyJk=; b=Y99SSDroyyOMynBJ+MSEguSN9gV9wF+PPVFkSleqHS+4/LHRCFHs48nuNCkmFk2f6Y XXn/UPuaRcdiW3zMjPe6L12aeMpiYtEazq6SCp+u0bNp62qZ6pxbPk3pHdZJa9vguqsN 6sJO6Ct2Def5InAOzFcaK+3431lczyh0X4h2U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=J4Vp67WKpyNTlR1G0jn/9ZKxMnxwmQsgIFpqaIwm8KEKh9Z511feOreonevYRelqYA 0TXI0UPR73nlOW+brglXbchqt4haiAUytfRF+dEGlmLLdswqHUy/We9SvgpObrzoxvzj 0wt3uYSsonq38YIMj+Z1h23oyX9elD09y+LqE= Received: by 10.100.12.1 with SMTP id 1mr947799anl.107.1243464234136; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.209.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm662485ywf.22.2009.05.27.15.43.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 May 2009 15:43:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:43:56 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905271943.56052.gnemmi@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Help logging kernel messages after failed resume X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:13:27 -0000 OK, it goes like this: Dell Inspiron 1318, "boot -v" can be found in here: http://pastebin.com/f3a1c204a sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi | sort can be found in here: http://pastebin.com/fcfc0035 First shot: Try the "Livefs CD", "myhost# acpiconf -s 3" WORKS !!! The machine goes into suspend state and resumes_from_it_without_any_problems !! Second shot: Install ... "myhost# acpiconf -s 3" does not work anymore ... I issue a "myhost# acpiconf -s 3" and then I get a kernel message: "fwohci0: fwohci_acpi_suspend" ... The machine enters suspend state ... so far so good. Now, when I try yo resume from suspend, the machine spouts a plethora of kernel errors .. most notable ones beign "bge0" errors, "fwohci0" errors and the following ...: ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFERMODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFERMODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES ENABLE RCACHE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES ENABLE WCACHE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly ad4: WARNING - SET_MULTI taskqueue timeout - completing request directly ata3: port not implemented ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFERMODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFERMODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES ENABLE RCACHE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly ad4: WARNING - SETFEATURES ENABLE WCACHE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly ad4: WARNING - SET_MULTI taskqueue timeout - completing request directly ad4: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retryng (1 retry left) LBA=272675445 As you can tell by now, the machine never recovers from "-s 3" (or suspend to ram). The thing is, ad4 never gets back to life ... as a consecuence, even if the kernel trows its messages to stdout, they never get logged ! Is there a way to record those messages so I can post them on the corresponding list and file all the PRs I'm about to file?? Note: I can ssh into the notebook, then "su -" and issue "acpiconf -s 3", but I can't get the notebook to WOL .. so .. I have to press the power button on the notebook to get it to resume and as a consecuence, those messages are sent to stdout (notebook screen) and I can't get them on the ssh client. SCRIPT(1) it's not a solution either .. because ad4 never gets back to life .. so script can't record a thing after it went into suspend :( Any help will be greatly appreciated. Just in case you are wondering what happens if I boot with ACPI disabled: Fatal trap 9 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-acpi/2009-May/005734.html Best Regards -- Blessings Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:17:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED2F1065670 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:17:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C399B8FC1F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:17:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RNHcXX056135; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:17:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RNHcaU056097; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:17:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:17:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20090527160021.3174fd00@gom> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <20090527145443.3a2e181e@gom> <20090527160021.3174fd00@gom> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:17:43 -0000 > > therefore, it seems that keeping the list to fbsd issues is a valid > point. Which WILL end up with moderated list within some time. Current quality will not improve, only will get worse sooner or later. The moderated list should be started quickly for simple reason: at the beginning (almost) all people will use both lists, while all failures of moderated list will slowly come up. For example that posting rules are not defined precisely enough. Same with moderators, after some time they will well organize themselves so "dead time" will be close to 0. By some time it will work very well, so more and more people will shift to this. Of course not all, as part of them are happy with current status as a place to ask/talk about almost anything that have any remote connection to unix. Everyone will be happy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:19:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4973106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.ORG [206.117.18.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CDA8FC20 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:19:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (pool-71-109-162-173.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.109.162.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RN0PiQ017016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Message-Id: <6E1B947C-F0D6-4458-BAED-5932BB168183@lafn.org> From: Doug Hardie To: prad In-Reply-To: <20090527150330.448cdd7a@gom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:00:24 -0700 References: <20090527150330.448cdd7a@gom> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: rsync approach X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:19:24 -0000 On 27 May 2009, at 15:03, prad wrote: > we have 2 static ip addresses with a machine running 7.2 connected to > each. > > one is the primary server, while the other does only dns and receives > bkp dumps from the first. > > we want to set things up so the 2nd can be brought on line at a > moment's > notice. > > therefore, we are thinking of rsync to duplicate 1st > 2nd (with the > exception of rc.conf and a few other files of course because we don't > want them to be absolutely identical). > > we plan to allow root login and have disabled all password access so > that rsync can preserve permissions. > > is this a good way to accomplish the bkp job? It might be, but its difficult to say without knowing a lot more about what going on in the system. For example, rsync of large files that change real often can be an issue. You may get an inconsistent copy of the file if it is changing during the update of that file. Rsync does one file at a time. Hence if you have multiple files that need to be consistent between them it might not happen. If transactions changing a file occur between the rsync of the first file and the rsync of the second file, they will not be consistent. I use rsync for basically the same thing you are considering. However, in my situation, the real dynamic files are database files. I don't rsync them. Those are exported every evening and those files are rsync'd. During the day, every application that updates a database file also adds a copy of the new record to the end of a log file. That log file is also rsync'd about every 5 minutes. In this way I can recover to within 5 minutes quite easily. The last 5 minutes might be a bit more work, but the information would be available from the original sources at that point. Allowing root login is generally not a great approach. Rsync will retain permissions (use -p) if the user id's and group ids are the same on both systems. You may have to modify some of the pam files to permit rsync to function easily. The easy test is to rsh date If that works and you get the date, then rsync will function properly. If not you need to track down why in the various log files. I had to make the following change: pam.d/rsh: -auth required pam_rhosts.so no_warn +auth required pam_rhosts.so no_warn allow_root This was first done quite a few years ago and has been propagated to the current systems so I don't know if its still required or not. Our systems only have 3 users (the administrators) so we have passwords working fine. It has not interfered with rsync. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:19:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289CE1065672 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:19:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5464F8FC1D for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RNJfZx056210; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:19:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RNJfxn056207; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:19:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:19:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Troy Beisigl In-Reply-To: <8940FAF1-E405-4511-B16A-DD842FE460B7@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: References: <8940FAF1-E405-4511-B16A-DD842FE460B7@i2bnetworks.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RTL8111-GR driver for FreeBSD6.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:19:45 -0000 > > I have been looking for and have not been able to find out if there is a > driver for FreeBSD6.4 that supports the RTL8111-GR network adaptor. This is a > port that is built into the Intel DG31PR Motherboard. Has anyone been able man 4 re says it support RTL8111 but i have FreeBSD 7.1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:22:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7011065795 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:22:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1618FC16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4RNCiJ6056072; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:12:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4RNCiqg056069; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:12:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:12:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Neal Hogan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:22:25 -0000 > No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If for my needs it's actually true. Only FreeBSD meets my requirements. > Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread, > appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to > fail (for whatever reason) to understand that your opinionated > comments may need to be better thought out. If you were the "monitor" > of your utopian mailing list, what would you have done with your Of course - you already decided about "utopian". no argument for this. > response to the OP? as i said (another example you don't read what i write carefully) i would first define strict rules of posting. and then moderators should only execute them. If i would be moderator i could only do this, or stop being moderator. If rules would allow any discussion if moderator should or should not delete post, then rules are wrong and must be fixed. moderator can not have any power to resolve personal things through it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:46:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BDD106566B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779508FC08 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2721062yxb.13 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:46:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=D0ogMoo7JWKlcImdSIdj9Qxlu1tGK+gXp+6v08kNeRM=; b=mJaTrWgAiaL2Tn3MVxt9G+zP3OGi0+OgC3h8l7XPAVjTetZqKdiCn2NQpZltkfP3HH tmfIlx6//QjqMa2N00JBIYWReuBZKF8zqkyIRmlk0meZBwo8YDEicTSO74JhkpVxTxzZ ZXFXB+JDAL+D1Hx9ZqtJTGwFH59KTbVRMfosA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=F0IGQ3liiGNcxSKrMhWl/2ygbenk8ftsGnX+jKNLlgTdEklMzVJkQY04m+ioefyn7L E0A3Iu9eNyN0hIp+KDFkHpp6TuEu94B3z+VHbH1pF1deyGxCqdU376LFzN0QBz99lH8d F+SCCaRmuI4W3gyi1oYVXBp/ZJ4lK7LTDlIMg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.50.13 with SMTP id c13mr1345973ybk.47.1243467988886; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:46:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:46:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:46:30 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If > > for my needs it's actually true. Only FreeBSD meets my requirements. ok . . . > >> Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread, >> appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to >> fail (for whatever reason) to understand that your opinionated >> comments may need to be better thought out. If you were the "monitor" >> of your utopian mailing list, what would you have done with your > > Of course - you already decided about "utopian". no argument for this. > >> response to the OP? > > as i said (another example you don't read what i write carefully) i would > first define strict rules of posting. > > and then moderators should only execute them. If i would be moderator i > could only do this, or stop being moderator. > > If rules would allow any discussion if moderator should or should not delete > post, then rules are wrong and must be fixed. > > moderator can not have any power to resolve personal things through it. I read what you posted "carefully." I'm asking you to play pretend . . . if you were the moderator of the list you suggest, do you think that the response you gave to the OP, as a non-developer, is acceptable. That is, do you think that that those who have no responsibility as far as what is done with $$ donated to the fBSD cause (i.e., you) should respond to to those who wish to donate? For a minute there, I was hoping that it was a language issue (BTW - I think your English is quite good), but now I think it's an attention issue. > -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 27 23:50:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BCC106564A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:50:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grepkeen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5689D8FC1A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 23:50:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grepkeen@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so7187369qyk.3 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:50:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=49enzSsJ3Kqkr19QcTTBBPegA4YQj0vbQB/kijdtTW0=; b=h5a660TbMSKDf3GNRD/aTz00iZqsFnPw38zBvqY5zIjL9Xx0xr8Wl4CvzAgyrfrJjv R+4uIIAICHH26YRFDxW+tl4QQkDZtTuhDqWKv1r685684L6aO1zLNFa3bubkIf/HCUDo r/Udw1RXHfjV9q0pJw9aUmfB1Di0vsf644GYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IYAHVY3B2ic3zG4TulvwqF1Ey8yZBaC4BJnrjitNZlpCN1hxFa0PuDn0vuWya6zUTw P5hLOaW3xaBLgHOPeYN2WsyUQ0BU+HgxE75WFGH6FxLqGXLR7/IqUQ5Q2EVyxKCk+A6B EDN7kmctg55nivvTP8cV7uVKhUeFNa2oBjKWo= Received: by 10.224.6.79 with SMTP id 15mr747971qay.208.1243466572244; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.5? (ool-44c5aa97.dyn.optonline.net [68.197.170.151]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm403002qwa.48.2009.05.27.16.22.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 May 2009 16:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1DCB4C.4080505@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:22:52 -0400 From: "John D. Gage III" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Huff References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <18973.42902.732223.265821@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <18973.42902.732223.265821@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: herbert langhans , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:50:07 -0000 Robert Huff wrote: > herbert langhans writes: > > >> I can delete the .tar.gz files from /usr/ports/distfiles - is this correct? >> >> Not that some port tree management goes crazy (dependencies or such).. >> > > If you want to be selective, try "portsclean" which is part of > portupgrade(-*). > > > Robert Huff > I second this notion. "portsclean -DLC" is great for recovering disk space after port installs and/or using "portupgrade -arR". -*D* -*-distclean* Clean out all the distfiles that are not referenced by any port in the ports tree. Specified twice (i.e. -*DD* ), clean out all the distfiles that are not referenced by any port that is currently installed. (cf. / DISTDIR/) -*L* -*-libclean* Clean out old, duplicate and/or orphaned shared libraries. **portsclean** first deletes duplicate shared libraries where appropriate, then puts away old and orphaned shared libaries to /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg updating symlinks properly. To keep binaries working, ldconfig (8) is run after each library deletion or move. **portsclean** is so wise you can safely run it without turning -*i* on. However, if you want to do further cleanup, specify the flag to be asked on possibly unneeded libraries too. You can use the sysutils/libchk port to check which library is linked with which binaries. -*C* -*-workclean* Clean out all the working directories of the ports tree. (cf. / WRKDIRPREFIX/) -John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 00:44:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A541065670 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from mail-in07.adhost.com (mail-in07.adhost.com [216.211.128.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84F68FC13 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) Received: from ad-exh01.adhost.lan (exchange.adhost.com [216.211.143.69]) by mail-in07.adhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E1B8ADEEE for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mksmith@adhost.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:40 -0700 Message-ID: <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D5203160605DAE7@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Problems with IPv6 CARP Interface in PF Thread-Index: AcnfLXwLf+1qKzR6TnOxIky96sMYKw== From: "Michael K. Smith - Adhost" To: Subject: Problems with IPv6 CARP Interface in PF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:44:43 -0000 Hello: I'm having reachability problems with a CARP interface set up on two 7.1 boxes with an uplink to Cisco routers. However, the inside CARP address on the same set of PF boxes are reachable with no trouble. Here's the config. Cisco Cisco HSRP Gateway | CARP Interface 1 PF Box PF Box CARP Interface 2 | Server When I try to ping CARP Interface 1 above from the Internet, I get no response. When I ping the CARP Interface 2, which has a route set from the Cisco's to CARP Interface 1, it works. Here's what I see in my logs. 00:38:45.763975 IP6 fe80::203:6cff:fef9:2c00 > ff02::1:ff00:7: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has 2001:4970:cccc::7, length 32 ... with no response. Here is the ifconfig from one box. carp0: flags=3D49 metric 0 mtu 1500 inet6 2001:4970:cccc::6 prefixlen 64 inet6 2001:4970:cccc::7 prefixlen 64 carp: MASTER vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 100 carp1: flags=3D49 metric 0 mtu 1500 inet6 2001:4970:cccc:aaaa::1 prefixlen 64 carp: MASTER vhid 2 advbase 1 advskew 100 and the other shows appropriately as "BACKUP". There is no change if I run with just one PF box. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Mike -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksmith@adhost.com w: +1 (206) 404-9500 f: +1 (206) 404-9050 PGP: B49A DDF5 8611 27F3 08B9 84BB E61E 38C0 (Key ID: 0x9A96777D) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 01:13:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA51E106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3606C8FC14 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:13:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so443679fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:13:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SZNvzVbcHjkU+mhJ9199QIQjApIRHxqKyVePDQR00QM=; b=OX/oNiq4N0iDtcBH9vdGyeOCWHsDoK++VCSMGQfDASroOPo7jXDuuqM83vi6obNhvX KKM6RLmVM2xJTt8/d0/lbF0CyxlX6Zy912FWDBnDvGIEzq29S/wWMfVEjmyTmt518I59 RM4w910vSRQHW0gLCOzioidHf93Mu71supMTo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ts1qJwBjeY+V/uJr8W50Uglo1pF+qzuAMIQWrt7zc76zLDCFcsKkOgDbVouuUQWb6K oK4m83dFWAnLyO2C7lgLlwd4Z8vXeao14ZYdzk+IzPwzFpRlb5eQCFw2zXcdjtr4N0k0 BkoSKiABWoASaNYGlRkMgb2TYTV9Ua8POgTmA= Received: by 10.204.50.195 with SMTP id a3mr595132bkg.94.1243473228925; Wed, 27 May 2009 18:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y15sm4826861fkd.53.2009.05.27.18.13.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 May 2009 18:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 02:13:46 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528021346.54c91917@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:13:50 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those > distfiles that do not belong to installed ports. I've not used it myself, but there is also a shell script called distviper in bsdadminscripts which supports both of distclean's modes without the ruby dependence. Personally I much prefer the less aggressive mode (distclean -D) which deletes files unreferenced by the ports tree, rather than unreferenced by installed ports. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 01:35:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D39106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:35:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3109C8FC21 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 01:34:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 21:34:59 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id PXS65936; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 21:34:59 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18973.59970.379090.475951@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:34:58 -0400 To: RW In-Reply-To: <20090528021346.54c91917@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090528021346.54c91917@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:35:00 -0000 RW writes: > Personally I much prefer the less aggressive mode (distclean -D) > which deletes files unreferenced by the ports tree, rather than > unreferenced by installed ports. I use "-DD". With nearly 1000 ports on one machine, it's important to realize many ports go months (and some years) between updates and pain of downloading a fresh copy is minimal given a half decent net connection. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 02:01:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692C2106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 02:01:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EBD8FC13 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 02:00:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB96EB538D; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:00:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63D5450C6; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:00:57 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BZv3XPS3p1sq; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:00:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl226-168.kln.forthnet.gr [79.103.39.168]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915844509B; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:00:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4S20vQI016662; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:00:57 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4S20uJk016661; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:00:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Kevin@RawFedDogs.net References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> <20090527172924.GA10301@RawFedDogs.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 05:00:49 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20090527172924.GA10301@RawFedDogs.net> (Kevin Monceaux's message of "Wed, 27 May 2009 12:29:24 -0500") Message-ID: <878wki7zqm.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 02:01:00 -0000 --=-=-= On Wed, 27 May 2009 12:29:24 -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > What I can gather from this thread is that he, as a developer, might > possibly have the right to speak on behalf of FreeBSD in regards to a > sponsorship offer. On the other hand, you, who are neither a > developer nor a core team member, do not. Not only that, the > information is his reply is both polite and accurate where yours is > not. From Boris's e-mail: FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of the important details here are: a) We generally accept all donations, regardless of how small they are. Even donations of a single RAM chip for nearly obsolete platforms are welcome and we try to find someone who will make good use of it. b) The donations team acts as a gateway for incoming stuff, and they have enough experience to discern genuine offers for a donation from spammy "please link to my personal web site and I will make you rich" scamming schemes. Both of these make the donations team a fairly good place to direct those who look like potential donors. So I'll add my support to Boris' note about notifying the donations team and letting them speak with the OP to see if their offer makes sense and/or is useful. HTH, Giorgos --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkod8FcACgkQ1g+UGjGGA7a6egCeOSMJYQfhS9mR5fXIAeuCLueR XC8AnA9q+4aJEf8omp6iRv9j3aroSKfK =DAlv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 02:06:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12703106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 02:06:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766018FC1A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 02:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7B5EB5392; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:06:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11615450C6; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:06:40 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wQ4FnurCLH2H; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:06:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl226-168.kln.forthnet.gr [79.103.39.168]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB5E4509B; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:06:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4S26dlQ016682; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:06:39 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4S26c8w016681; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:06:38 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <20090527145443.3a2e181e@gom> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 05:06:38 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Thu, 28 May 2009 00:00:23 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <874ov67zgx.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 02:06:43 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:00:23 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD >>>> fundation and contributors. >>> >>> But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up. >> >> i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it >> in a different way. > > of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many times > this or similar way at me that it matured! Hehehe! :D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 02:22:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE98106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 02:22:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9192F8FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 02:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so5190087bwz.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:22:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FCLs3MJfxHak1HQbOuQaVVGpg6MWTKMnYHPEuoXREHM=; b=wRuNA3j759IzcYT4ejzW5L8w401OyTIPO9H7rAjGGGvmj2ROLa/g+if+2Dtkj6iS1A 1OH7RPnD3Aj1DnF/IgFnb0/makdWtsOAWoreCFylZt58zAsnGcE6XSUTJkADllEDDcev mlvmsXrxx1El/tH0wkq8qauVNGtJXlhuedmFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qsITZAELzVyG12j6QYsTD/CzL1iPch75HlrOTIwaEiQgRcEfTrwgEnhcGXHJxRfYrp PxQzXKxOSAwKrAOtyIFfFDGhMYRtw5tiZdsi/mrW0ieG3iB3uCfczUg+e8EYN9VC341G SKHOk+5aDWZIScme+9DdqUUZquAaioTdUDEHU= Received: by 10.204.59.65 with SMTP id k1mr651751bkh.116.1243477330418; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d13sm5641325fka.32.2009.05.27.19.22.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 May 2009 19:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 03:22:07 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528032207.25de408a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <18973.59970.379090.475951@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090528021346.54c91917@gumby.homeunix.com> <18973.59970.379090.475951@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 02:22:12 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 21:34:58 -0400 Robert Huff wrote: > > RW writes: > > > Personally I much prefer the less aggressive mode (distclean -D) > > which deletes files unreferenced by the ports tree, rather than > > unreferenced by installed ports. > > I use "-DD". With nearly 1000 ports on one machine, it's > important to realize many ports go months (and some years) between > updates and pain of downloading a fresh copy is minimal given a half > decent net connection. That's what I used to think until I deleted some java distfiles, and had to go though the rigmarole of getting all the various files manually. There's also the possibility that a distfile gets rerolled and local copy is the only one that matches the port checksums. Disk space is cheap, the extra files don't add up to much in practice. The real advantage of cleaning comes from not have ten copies of kdebase and the like. Deleting only the obsolete files also has the advantage of being entirely safe - so I do it from a periodic script. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 03:10:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F28C1065674 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:10:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACEC8FC13 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4S2ZbAB067776; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:35:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:35:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8940FAF1-E405-4511-B16A-DD842FE460B7@i2bnetworks.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Troy Beisigl Subject: Re: RTL8111-GR driver for FreeBSD6.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 03:10:29 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> I have been looking for and have not been able to find out if there is a >> driver for FreeBSD6.4 that supports the RTL8111-GR network adaptor. This is >> a port that is built into the Intel DG31PR Motherboard. Has anyone been >> able > > man 4 re > > says it support RTL8111 > > but i have FreeBSD 7.1 I have a 6.4 machine (about to be retired). On that machine, man 4 re says it supports the RTL8111S, but does not mention the RTL8111GR. My guess is that your GR will probably work, but it's only a guess. If worse comes to worst, throw in a PCI ethernet card from the parts bin. For reference, you can find man pages for many BSDs (and others) at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi - for FreeBSD, this covers 7.2-RELEASE back to 1.0-RELEASE. HTH. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging <|> ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 03:35:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F361065672 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:35:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kent@khauser.net) Received: from mail-px0-f174.google.com (mail-px0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A668FC19 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kent@khauser.net) Received: by pxi4 with SMTP id 4so4317306pxi.3 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.124.1 with SMTP id w1mr1055433wac.132.1243480474614; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook.khauser.net (udp157170uds.hawaiiantel.net [72.253.1.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30sm1883271wag.18.2009.05.27.20.14.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 May 2009 20:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <238275A7-7886-4532-A46C-ACB535DF16F7@khauser.net> From: KENT HAUSER To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:14:32 -1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: admin@cpcnw.co.uk Subject: 7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 03:35:36 -0000 Hi, Is there any resolution to this? I had the same problem upgrading from 7.0 -> 7.2. I've been running FreeBSD dual-boot for over 10 years w/o this problem in the past. I re-ran my fdisk script from an old 6.x boot disk & recovered the XP partitions, but can't boot 7.2. Re-installing 7.2 kills XP. My system disk has 3 partitions: ad0s2 is first (XP recovery). Next is ad0s1 (XP) followed by FreeBSD. Thanks for any input. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 03:39:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A66106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:39:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697C08FC1B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:39:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1532238ewy.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:39:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qoHZXE9uu1snrTcEFVB6KUfbdge2fxtBTn5CAN1i23E=; b=gM/3TzSlkiR1IO3H+aFH28qmV35GAIx0VmCWTvbYAw00RZTgE0sLa9QzmQqTEJCYnE zOBeA89Y0wlGFwkw4//z0G1kIIUlt+fyp7Mg9IsGqKxXvBFdrq2o4C0FFkpDbCe/IVEj EmBD9zqlZnMm5APb7lL0NIPrkdgBMObzzicco= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vbIky/Y6YwT3u5F07/CZSKmylP85iGcDgtSrlnXy1TmXDgIhj6l9nK+hFy+la/8Fkq /wB5k1cWriBp51zonsBiGXntV1JsImqsGxDTZ9uIUPqnkaF6ma8o0QTuufAa7IrGw8Ff nSXDuYxjr7xsnIE8//LLHTKal0IJoNV6rtMkg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.39.80 with SMTP id c58mr302795web.122.1243481968120; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:39:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090527210037.315D9BEC7@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> References: <20090527210037.315D9BEC7@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> From: APseudoUtopia Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:39:08 -0400 Message-ID: <27ade5280905272039u1d116513seedfd86dee4ed75@mail.gmail.com> To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 03:39:30 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Karl Vogel wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:02:08 -0500, >>> Andrew Gould said: > > A> You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop > A> flag to a database when the system starts and stops. =C2=A0This wouldn= 't > A> account for improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a "stop" > A> date/time was missing. > > =C2=A0 I have a script which runs fping on a bunch of servers and writes > =C2=A0 a timestamp for any host that answers. =C2=A0It's run every minute= from > =C2=A0 cron on our loghost. =C2=A0Another script watches the results and = sends > =C2=A0 me an IM if any of my boxes fails to respond for 3 minutes. > > =C2=A0 I can put up a tarball if anyone's interested. > I'd be interested in a set of scripts like that. I appreciate it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 05:35:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9B7106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:35:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5060C8FC23 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so522089fxm.43 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:35:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3+EPU7bIHtpPYjpw4yYZsk+scfk13fCtZ9iNx+azWVU=; b=Pawaln/ZWPIHApnaJTeDJJplct/TYk7sPSXJ9PQmLKaudPa7V8a37ck0BiXzu3T6Fg c0rYzMbwG/86IgJNgnnMkYezD5JBdrc/ztq03fdg8USHr/OfzjvPEQowOCGdHRFaWEG5 OLu2XRUwkfWsO7Rss909fXRsi9mXkLJ3jXL1o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eCalmED+vDRR/8URq151NbtA4j2NJFSxFEQqoc7SzrbHixsnQi/CP+05Jp81AxM96R AF4K05XMx41Hxu9mf2ChjzVTrZYeCaLFHGZRNtQYjYEF3sDjlDAiDnwClgeMjzmXL9Yp z7qNaKWWvGeFQs4Nc2+T6ZKDW9AoswHTTsjX4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.122.74 with SMTP id k10mr778369bkr.129.1243488920214; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:35:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <238275A7-7886-4532-A46C-ACB535DF16F7@khauser.net> References: <238275A7-7886-4532-A46C-ACB535DF16F7@khauser.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:35:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905272235r55767c34rb0f5b6f7df7139a6@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: KENT HAUSER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, admin@cpcnw.co.uk Subject: Re: 7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 05:35:22 -0000 Hi, Kent You're going to need to provide a bit more detail on the problem. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:14 PM, KENT HAUSER wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any resolution to this? I had the same problem upgrading from 7.0 > -> 7.2. I've been running FreeBSD dual-boot for over 10 years w/o this > problem in the past. > > I re-ran my fdisk script from an old 6.x boot disk & recovered the XP > partitions, but can't boot 7.2. Re-installing 7.2 kills XP. > XP doesn't show up in the bootloader? If you're running 7.X, why are you using a 6.X boot disk? That may be part of the problem. > My system disk has 3 partitions: ad0s2 is first (XP recovery). Next is ad0s1 > (XP) followed by FreeBSD. > Do you see the FreeBSD booloader or Windows bootloader? Not that this fixes the problem, but have you tried installing GRUB? I personally have been dual-booting for the past year+, and haven't seen what you're describing (unless I overwrote my ${OTHER_OS} installation) -- are you sure the Windows install still exists? -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 05:37:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C240A1065670 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:37:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B688FC14 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:37:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so7379246qyk.3 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:37:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=8M65sBY3LrmJKttdIa6XDxTzdlpWXbgMFZYE9Cd24BA=; b=a2KN3mQEK5HarQeLycTYAifObJ3sIawG0Ia6guSzWRk8H4xhIqoq8VpScTn/L88Nid MtSabLJZzwznZjrmO8LV1XNl+8sRSbCbHMoczOvcHf1u2vr1uBP/L7XbrRpEXeiYZIYl uezoNuW4vId3PfAKxy6hzSQhEH1BbbnHqC1Ws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=H0bnTbcz/yMh+YYQRgGI1m2q+sZu67Dnez/iChLce3nXn/ZR0vWME0DUz6FXUF1jCc BoG3ouAJ66qUp0SxuMEksVAZAapzZ5E3upaYPjgCZj/XfD94XXAOL3e5wNufzwdK47eX 3AVhaRc+XdwfKtMw0oXDnV3cmoE/R+NliC2bU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.76.147 with SMTP id c19mr926710vck.96.1243489061644; Wed, 27 May 2009 22:37:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <27ade5280905272039u1d116513seedfd86dee4ed75@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090527210037.315D9BEC7@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> <27ade5280905272039u1d116513seedfd86dee4ed75@mail.gmail.com> From: Tim Judd Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:37:21 -0600 Message-ID: To: APseudoUtopia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: vogelke+unix@pobox.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another uptime story X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 05:37:43 -0000 > > > I have a script which runs fping on a bunch of servers and writes > > a timestamp for any host that answers. It's run every minute from > > cron on our loghost. Another script watches the results and sends > > me an IM if any of my boxes fails to respond for 3 minutes. > > > > I can put up a tarball if anyone's interested. > > > > I'd be interested in a set of scripts like that. > sounds like what nagios is. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 05:43:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA446106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:43:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6F58FC17 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:43:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D6B7E837; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:43:11 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:43:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <200905271943.56052.gnemmi@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200905271943.56052.gnemmi@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905280743.09479.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Gonzalo Nemmi Subject: Re: Help logging kernel messages after failed resume X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 05:43:12 -0000 On Thursday 28 May 2009 00:43:56 Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > Note: I can ssh into the notebook, then "su -" and issue "acpiconf -s > 3", but I can't get the notebook to WOL .. so .. I have to press the > power button on the notebook to get it to resume and as a consecuence, > those messages are sent to stdout (notebook screen) and I can't get > them on the ssh client. SCRIPT(1) it's not a solution either .. because > ad4 never gets back to life .. so script can't record a thing after it > went into suspend :( > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. Just to debug this issue, make /var/log and /var/run memory disks. /var/run too cause of the socket that syslog uses. That at least will give you the ability to manually transcribe the logs in worst case, best case being to save them to an USB stick you plug in after resume or copy of the network if bge ever comes back up. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 05:49:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D10F106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEB28FC16 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBDA7E837; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:49:14 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:49:12 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090528021346.54c91917@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090528021346.54c91917@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905280749.12509.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: RW Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 05:49:15 -0000 On Thursday 28 May 2009 03:13:46 RW wrote: > On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 > > Roland Smith wrote: > > Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those > > distfiles that do not belong to installed ports. > > I've not used it myself, but there is also a shell script called > distviper in bsdadminscripts which supports both of distclean's modes > without the ruby dependence. What ruby dependence in portmaster? He said portMASTER not portUPGRADE. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 06:36:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F56E1065674 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E288FC19 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:36:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIKADTOHUrUnw4T/2dsb2JhbACBSYkLhD2+egiEBQU Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 28 May 2009 07:36:57 +0100 Received: from [81.174.174.115] (helo=main) by pih-relay06.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1M9ZEW-0003UA-Pp; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:36:56 +0100 Message-ID: <383BCA88965A450991ED7CBE7782E9CB@main> From: "Graham Bentley" To: "KENT HAUSER" References: <238275A7-7886-4532-A46C-ACB535DF16F7@khauser.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:36:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Plusnet-Relay: bda6515223ebffae51f544dd13065a8b Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:36:59 -0000 > Is there any resolution to this? I had the same problem upgrading from > 7.0 -> 7.2. I've been running FreeBSD dual-boot for over 10 years w/o > this problem in the past. > > I re-ran my fdisk script from an old 6.x boot disk & recovered the XP > partitions, but can't boot 7.2. Re-installing 7.2 kills XP. > > My system disk has 3 partitions: ad0s2 is first (XP recovery). Next is > ad0s1 (XP) followed by FreeBSD. > > Thanks for any input. Kent, I tried for two days every recovery tool I could lay my hands on both open source and proprietary I still could not recover my mangled - well, whatever .... bootsec / mbr / partable In could even do an XP repair, fixmbr, fixboot and almost every disc checker said there was no issues with the sata disc. I have P1[XP-NTFS], EXT1[NTFS], P2[3BSD] I ended up doing a re-install of everything. I then took an image of my boot sector / mbr and partables and held on to my plumbs whilst trying to install 7.2 a second time (I dont like to be defeated!) This time, no probs although I have noticed BTX labled the EXT1 as ? and not DOS as it used to. Currently I cant get £ signs at the console or X but thats another 7.2 story. I only have limited time and may well go back to Slitaz !!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 06:43:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC611065673 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B97B8FC1D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIKAFPPHUrUnw4T/2dsb2JhbACBSYkLhD2/EwiEBQU Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 28 May 2009 07:43:34 +0100 Received: from [81.174.174.115] (helo=main) by pih-relay06.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1M9ZKw-0005k9-4G for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:43:34 +0100 Message-ID: <81828E0439434EC787345D43DC10F5A6@main> From: "Graham Bentley" To: References: <20090528054927.EFB6F10656ED@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:43:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Plusnet-Relay: b8e94aeafeac1a122147b9d9551f27ca Subject: Re: UK Keyboard in 7.2 console and xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:43:36 -0000 >> The xorg-server port has an option not to use hal. But it is enabled by >> default. Thanks for the info however that doesnt help me on uk currency key on the console which still eludes me. I suspect in my case, if I could figure out how to fix the console keyboard issue it would actually work in x even with hald (which btw is working fine with rest of keys and mouse!) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 06:55:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB28106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:55:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A161E8FC1C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:55:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4S6sht5037271; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:54:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4S6sht5037271 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243493685; bh=KOcaad92C+EzTDzWQs7lv32aaTkgoR1Ht/hq120ezn4=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A1E352E.7090208@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T hu,=2028=20May=202009=2007:54:38=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20"Michael=20K.=20Smith=20-=20Adhost"=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Pro blems=20with=20IPv6=20CARP=20Interface=20in=20PF|References:=20<17 838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D5203160605DAE7@ad-exh01.adhost.lan>|In-Rep ly-To:=20<17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D5203160605DAE7@ad-exh01.adhost .lan>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signe d=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp- signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig34DC904E37D115D1 3472A69A"; b=K31k7g7vMq02cXiWPWvzFjhziJtEIAICs4HbXweXkcaS6gKg6qzFTjm4DgiZI3fjO WhRZPJjfmfc/VFunS3PjoH9e4t28056plXJ4nXCPBYIkGuX76h2CJoulSQePYlJRTA 309Y8ej+RHxXrIO1dGie2RA/Afb4k+7wATGna4vY= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A1E352E.7090208@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:54:38 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael K. Smith - Adhost" References: <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D5203160605DAE7@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> In-Reply-To: <17838240D9A5544AAA5FF95F8D5203160605DAE7@ad-exh01.adhost.lan> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig34DC904E37D115D13472A69A" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with IPv6 CARP Interface in PF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:55:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig34DC904E37D115D13472A69A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: > Hello: >=20 > I'm having reachability problems with a CARP interface set up on two 7.= 1 > boxes with an uplink to Cisco routers. However, the inside CARP addres= s > on the same set of PF boxes are reachable with no trouble. Here's the > config. >=20 > Cisco Cisco > HSRP Gateway > | > CARP Interface 1 > PF Box PF Box > CARP Interface 2 > | > Server >=20 > When I try to ping CARP Interface 1 above from the Internet, I get no > response. When I ping the CARP Interface 2, which has a route set from= > the Cisco's to CARP Interface 1, it works. Here's what I see in my > logs. >=20 > 00:38:45.763975 IP6 fe80::203:6cff:fef9:2c00 > ff02::1:ff00:7: ICMP6, > neighbor solicitation, who has 2001:4970:cccc::7, length 32 >=20 > ... with no response. >=20 > Here is the ifconfig from one box. >=20 > carp0: flags=3D49 metric 0 mtu 1500 > inet6 2001:4970:cccc::6 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2001:4970:cccc::7 prefixlen 64 > carp: MASTER vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 100 > carp1: flags=3D49 metric 0 mtu 1500 > inet6 2001:4970:cccc:aaaa::1 prefixlen 64 > carp: MASTER vhid 2 advbase 1 advskew 100 >=20 > and the other shows appropriately as "BACKUP". There is no change if I= > run with just one PF box. >=20 > Any help would be greatly appreciated. * Do you have PF rulesets written to take account of the CARP interfaces and IPs correctly? You can say things like: pass in on carp0 proto icmp6 from any to { carp0 carp1 } keep state=20 You may not need carp specific rules if the carp IP is from the same network as the IPs on the front interfaces of those PF boxes, and your rules are written to filter traffic crossing those interfaces by networ= k (say) rather than by specific IP numbers. =20 A good debugging trick is to make sure that all pf rules that block=20 packets have a log clause, and then tcpdump pflog0 while doing your connectivity tests. Immediately tells you if its PF blocking things rather than some other problem. * I'm sure this is far too obvious, but in case you've tripped over this one accidentally: pass ... proto inet .... only allows IPv4. Either drop the proto clause altogether, or add expl= icit 'proto inet6' rules. * Have you tried tcpdump on the various physical and carp interfaces on t= hose machines while trying to ping? Probably the most interesting data to b= e gleaned from that is if there are ping responses being sent, and what IP they o= riginate from. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig34DC904E37D115D13472A69A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoeNTMACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwkTQCeJIU2f0dlKkPyR9rA0Urn3gv0 gloAnRcIbG5kuLxIPFxjLIhh9rMvKsJT =20wU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig34DC904E37D115D13472A69A-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 08:56:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72F51065670 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:56:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630E48FC14 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:56:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6833D411; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:56:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4S8uqGt001826; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:56:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:56:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-Id: <20090528105651.0dcdc850.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chris Rees Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:56:59 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:05 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > Seriously, why give up on something because it takes an hour or two > out of your day, and carry on the ~seven minute > reboot-to-'Windows'-cycle out of laziness? Sounds counter-productive > and defeatist. The idea is that doing such "complicated" things in FreeBSD (and in UNIX in general) teaches things, gives experiences and helps solving oter problems on one's own later. I've often seen similar situations where my solution would be called too complex, but after that, I *learned* things, and this gave me the ability do do things better (faster!) now. So I may say: It's not always the final result that counts, but the way leading to it. Of course, to the average user, learning doesn't count. He is not interested in (1) how things work, (b) how things are done or (3) how things might be done better. He just wants the final result, and he wants it now (or yesterday). :-) I my own "printer journey", I had help from the de- list. With the upgrade to 7, apsfilter stopped working as intended. Functions A, B working; C D not working anymore. The help from the list made me have C and D, but A and B stopped then. Finally, I could combine apsfilter settings and several options for gs. Voila! A, B, C and D working again (as in FreeBSD 5). Would I have ever been able to solve such problems without having the need to learn something before? Definitely not. I'm happy I can read such "long instructions" about how to get stupid non-printers working with a standard compliant operating system, and I always save such instructions locally, because one day, I can solve a problem that the printer manufacturer can't (because he originated it by his lack of standard compliance). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:02:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3CF106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:02:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23A38FC16 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4S929el058488; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:02:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4S929Tn058485; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:02:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:02:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: prad In-Reply-To: <20090527150330.448cdd7a@gom> Message-ID: References: <20090527150330.448cdd7a@gom> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: rsync approach X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:02:18 -0000 > we have 2 static ip addresses with a machine running 7.2 connected to > each. > > one is the primary server, while the other does only dns and receives > bkp dumps from the first. > > we want to set things up so the 2nd can be brought on line at a moment's > notice. > > therefore, we are thinking of rsync to duplicate 1st > 2nd (with the > exception of rc.conf and a few other files of course because we don't > want them to be absolutely identical). > > we plan to allow root login and have disabled all password access so > that rsync can preserve permissions. i don't catch why disabling password access will allow rsync to preserve permission. It will preserve just when you give proper option > is this a good way to accomplish the bkp job? yes it is. There is another way too - having both adventage and disadventage. 1) make an option in FreeBSD loader menu to run ramdisk-freebsd (ramdisk from file). Put on that cutdown ramdisk system only startup of ggated with a disk 2) on main machine run ggatec and gmirror. you will get network mirrored hard disk. make this procedure conditional so it runs only on first machine (for eg check MAC address of your network interface) in case of machine 1 fail, you just run second with normal, instead of ramdisk mode. It has adventage of full realtime replication, but it's disadventage in the same time. For example if you run rsync once per 2 hours, and you by accident delete a lots of things, you can recover. with gmirror way it is instantly replicated so you can't recover From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:03:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8CD10656B2 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2C58FC27 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4S937ui058501; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:03:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4S936U8058498; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:03:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:03:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Steele In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:03:13 -0000 >> that do zcat [partition image.gz] >/dev/partition > > We have a two step process. First we run a script that creates the > master image as a tgz. The image is created at an alternate root using > the -C option of pkg_add and the DESTDIR option of the various OS > install scripts. We only run this script when we need to make a change > to the master image. > > We use this image to create bootable USB sticks, and when a system is > booted from one of these sticks there is automatic startup logic that > clones the disk onto the target hard drive of the box (configuring the good but seems quite overcomplex expecially this pkg_add. why just not to compress whole filesystem(s) by tar+gzip? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:05:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B5A106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:05:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD888FC0A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:04:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4S94sgD058521; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:04:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4S94r39058518; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:04:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:04:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jerry McAllister , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:05:02 -0000 >> anyway, i reread the original "sponsoring" offer and i think i understand >> well. so - if FreeBSD team like to accept donations that way, my 100$ is >> still waiting :) > > I am afraid you still do not understand it. This sponsorship offer was NOT > directed to you. did you really read my sentence. I TOO OFFER 100$ for getting my advert on FreeBSD webpage, as he did. If FreeBSD core team accept this, 200$ is ready. But i think you simply don't really want to read what i write, you better like to repeat the same sentences over and over again. hope it will change From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:06:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CFC106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:06:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414D78FC1F for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:06:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so5346324bwz.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 02:06:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pqmVUQhDjRMgRF/b4O3bpkiWwkwNb2Ssymxvx/3Ernw=; b=VrMchCHKfVPtM0STuuX3797eAYpTYaQTjE9uKR/qvmeZo4yollXgVx/nF5pRsl6bCy MHBwtoAWenY12Ha0hK7cpZKI2MAuQm1Fe/hfwO7AThOdlWogZZpltsbqyIonsTd4DTr6 lmQobLzEQS5esestxjizDu3+LNNotdusMkrXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fdPsKoYyOCDiDK2zC1831smEUfPO2GkumVoETNvMOG6WO9PzjYPR/jZXYirXk/NJzP 0HgWWvSZHnh0at2FvwtSVy8hDbGpANDtPUP3NBNmbhmzG7yE1KvHrViEUM4JkH1nRm4R a8jitlm5kZ+ENO4YU//NrMfHIwFowiWwsYwF8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.78 with SMTP id w14mr996033bkh.13.1243501601200; Thu, 28 May 2009 02:06:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1809A1.3050507@gmail.com> References: <4A1809A1.3050507@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:06:41 +0200 Message-ID: <3a142e750905280206i7decd799tba9a274bae132294@mail.gmail.com> From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: OpenOffice.org 3.1 (i386) packages now available X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:06:45 -0000 On 5/23/09, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Hey all, > > This is a continuation of an effort to offer pre-built packages for > OpenOffice, that started with this post: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-April/195997.html > > With the release of OpenOffice 3.1, the new package and all dependencies > were rebuilt, and are hosted on the same location as before: > > http://freebsd.dev-urandom.com/packages/openoffice/ > > The main package to download is: > > http://freebsd.dev-urandom.com/packages/openoffice/openoffice.org-3.1.0.tbz > > Everyone who installed the 3.01 packages should be able to easily > upgrade to this version. It would be best to have an otherwise upgraded > system before installing this package. > > Users who do not have any version of openoffice already installed, are > advised to read the instructions in the post linked above. > Please note these packages were built for 7.2-RELEASE, i386. > You are of course welcome to send any comments, problems etc, either by > mail or by replying to this thread. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Are extensions working for you? -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:12:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2AC106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BE08FC20 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4BE3D3F1; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:12:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4S9BwBr001870; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:11:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:11:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:12:06 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 13:37:06 -0400, Jerry wrote: > 2) The technology exists, as demonstrated by Microsoft, to easily > configure a printer. It's because MICROS~1 are part of the system that builds the concepts for the printers, and the printers itself. Because of their monopoly positzion, they can say: "If you build a printer, make drivers for our 'Windows', and it will sell well. If you make drivers for FreeBSD, which doesn't exist, then it won't sell." By the way, having to use CDs or DVDs to install printer drivers anlong with loads of crapware (that is usually included) doesn't make the situation better. I prefer the system that FreeBSD uses: You install ONE (!) printer system that supports all (standard compliant) printers, and you don't have to do any more work. On a system with no printer, you install nothing. On a system where the printer is changed, you don't need to deinstall driver A and install driver B, you simply alter the printer system's setting. > Having to perform Herculean tasks, load extra > software; i.e. cups for instance, etc is not productive. CUPS isn't extra software in my opinions. Printer drivers are. Because they are required to make a thing working that does not conform to standards that would have made it work "out of the box". > 4) My time is valuable. I don't feel like wasting it trying to get a > printer to work correctly when it is easier to do on a Win32 box. It > is not time well spent. Time spent learning is always worth spending. Remember that "we who have learned to get things working" are always called when troubles arise, and we are paid to do so. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:17:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7871065672 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC0E8FC16 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7D93CC5F; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:17:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4S9HbX8002257; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:17:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:17:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Kelly Jones Message-Id: <20090528111737.57e59575.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <26face530905270841l9a28ec9n9d33ec9665cd01c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <26face530905270841l9a28ec9n9d33ec9665cd01c0@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Formatted text conversion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:55 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:56 -0700, Kelly Jones wrote: > I have e-books in several formats (DOC, LIT, PDF, RTF, HTML, TXT, > etc). Is there a Unix command-line tool that converts between these > formats? As it has been mentioned before, there's not the "one tool" for everything, but you can easily use OpenOffice to process most of them, and finally turn them into plain text, either by using OO's export function (save as text), or ^A ^C, change to your favourite text editor, ^V ^S. There are of course command line tools that let you do this without interaction, which is great when you want to process a bunch of files. > If not, is there at least a tool that converts these formats to TXT? To ASCII text: DOC: catdoc RTF: unrtf, rtfx PDF: pdftotext HTML: lynx -dump > My goal is to read these books on my Kindle, even if it means losing > some formatting/bells/whistles. If the Kindle does support PDF (I don't know if it does), wouldn't that be a better alternative, because it lets you keep the format of the document? -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:21:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6DB106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9C38FC12 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:21:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17C13D276; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:21:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4S9LXD4002277; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:21:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:21:33 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Charlie Kester Message-Id: <20090528112133.6931b6d2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090527184321.GK2138@comcast.net> References: <20090526213538.31defd77.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527184321.GK2138@comcast.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:21:36 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 11:43:21 -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: > Why not use Postscript (ghostscript) for this? Yes, why not? :-) Allthough I did a lecture at university about Postscript, this didn't come into my mind. I'm aware now that PS can be used to draw the circles as well, and do the clipping of the drawing inside the inner circle. Maybe it can even to the outlines of the letters, this seems to depend on the text font used. Thank you, I will keep this in mind, as well as the solution based on Inkscape. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:40:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836F1106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:40:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DE88FC0A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:40:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7000F3D298; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:40:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4S9eGLx002327; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:40:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:40:16 +0200 From: Polytropon To: herbert langhans Message-Id: <20090528114016.b7bcbef1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:40:23 -0000 On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:43:51 +0200, herbert langhans wrote: > Hi Daemons, > a short question: > > I can delete the .tar.gz files from /usr/ports/distfiles - is this correct? These are used for compiling purposes by the ports system. They are fetched if needed. If you delete them, and want to compile a port later, the needed version will be fetched again. So: Yes, you can delete them. > Not that some port tree management goes crazy (dependencies or such).. As it has been mentioned, it depends on the tool you use for this. the "make update" method employing cvsup / csup doesn't seem to be interested in distfiles/, maybe portupgrade or portmaster is. (I'm using portupgrade tools, and I've not found myself in a difficult situation.) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:49:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972E01065675 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:49:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFFA8FC0A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:49:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4S9Eu5T058612; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:14:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4S9EuMF058609; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:14:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:14:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chris Hill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8940FAF1-E405-4511-B16A-DD842FE460B7@i2bnetworks.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Troy Beisigl Subject: Re: RTL8111-GR driver for FreeBSD6.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:49:52 -0000 >> says it support RTL8111 >> >> but i have FreeBSD 7.1 > > I have a 6.4 machine (about to be retired). On that machine, man 4 re says it > supports the RTL8111S, but does not mention the RTL8111GR. My guess is that in 7.1 it too says only about "S", i assumed that S and GR are only different chip revisions/different functionality, maybe one have builtin PHY other external etc. etc. but it's software compatible. That's usual naming scheme of chips, but of course there may be exceptions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:49:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93DD106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:49:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E142C8FC12 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:49:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4S98fKj058553; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:08:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4S98fH6058550; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:08:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:08:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Neal Hogan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:49:58 -0000 >> could only do this, or stop being moderator. >> >> If rules would allow any discussion if moderator should or should not delete >> post, then rules are wrong and must be fixed. >> >> moderator can not have any power to resolve personal things through it. > > I read what you posted "carefully." I'm asking you to play pretend . . > . if you were the moderator of the list you suggest, do you think that > the response you gave to the OP, as a non-developer, is acceptable. > That is, do you think that that those who have no responsibility as > far as what is done with $$ donated to the fBSD cause (i.e., you) > should respond to to those who wish to donate? > For a minute there, I was hoping that it was a language issue (BTW - I > think your English is quite good), ^^^ not so sure, because now i'm not sure if i understand these above well. If i would be a moderator (or anyone else - there will be just rules to conform) i would for sure delete sponsoring offer no matter if it offered 100 or 1E6$ But i will reply to the sender that contacts for FreeBSD core team are on the webpage, and that i forwarded his/her mail to them. it's quite clear i think From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:50:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D663A1065714 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:50:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9C08FC1D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4S9Ccxu058575; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:12:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4S9CG2D058557; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:12:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:12:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <878wki7zqm.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> <20090527172924.GA10301@RawFedDogs.net> <878wki7zqm.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Kevin@RawFedDogs.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:50:07 -0000 > > FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, > unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually > just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a > mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. > > Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of Exactly. but it for sure wasn't what original "sponsoring offer wanted". He wanted banner/logo advert on mine webpage. > a) We generally accept all donations, regardless of how small they are. > Even donations of a single RAM chip for nearly obsolete platforms are > welcome and we try to find someone who will make good use of it. But you don't put advert for this. As you said - there is separate webpage for listing sponsors, and that's excellent. > b) The donations team acts as a gateway for incoming stuff, and they have > enough experience to discern genuine offers for a donation from spammy > "please link to my personal web site and I will make you rich" scamming > schemes. So what's wrong with my answer for such spammy offer? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 09:51:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259CD10656A5 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C13A28FC18 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 50393 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 09:51:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=DDvOEeELrcvjeAbOxJQE6+9NxmTzpoFpZujdINWBg+8EjhSi2r+fjkUIM0vy2czmZ8aBytaLoJrIGOImDV+TgA/odyTXVpc5txZ0lqShd0J0CfcjjSkiAw/Cll0SUGDciTHkfaZtvNeI/hhkfo9sDN5D8hwqLZ0g7gRbcJPotMU= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 02:51:19 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: HZMinJIVM1kbmBUN65lWh9o59IuboD.2Wsv2Vjnd9eVrU0Dh1GVqQ.699EGhEyyvEdE.5mfckSW3w7Tw6.ZnbNEDOmR8sqS3Mn5QMXq9pB717CujnjeuA.itgrOoB9YPCRha_D6qQb6KDBLu86MXFoA.pp_56gEsfd5R5GBcQYjw8LJ.y_DO6eJUda795ipOzSV_1ksPIXYssqLkdlE9HRVknw6Vrl7Fwp8W5Tce7CdfaSTkUdp8MdAMYDWTNlpOOsIBONSKD3AGTjMraSmKu40nMu0DlOyBPSvs30Jruj6moNWVAAZER8F.X9bS86UsJPBZdcx9 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 05:51:08 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528055108.0f8b23b2@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20090528032207.25de408a@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090528021346.54c91917@gumby.homeunix.com> <18973.59970.379090.475951@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090528032207.25de408a@gumby.homeunix.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/RkOJOUFPFpVvB/+QSQchumU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:51:21 -0000 --Sig_/RkOJOUFPFpVvB/+QSQchumU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 28 May 2009 03:22:07 +0100 RW wrote: >On Wed, 27 May 2009 21:34:58 -0400 >Robert Huff wrote: [snip] >That's what I used to think until I deleted some java distfiles, and >had to go though the rigmarole of getting all the various files >manually. There's also the possibility that a distfile gets rerolled >and local copy is the only one that matches the port checksums. Disk >space is cheap, the extra files don't add up to much in practice. The >real advantage of cleaning comes from not have ten copies of kdebase >and the like. That is why I keep a backup of all the 'java' src files in ~/java just so I can replace them in /usr/ports/distfiles if required. Other than for the 'java' files. I completely delete all files in the 'distfiles' directory. They server no useful purpose and can always be downloaded again if required. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art. Charles McCabe --Sig_/RkOJOUFPFpVvB/+QSQchumU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoeXpYACgkQBvaKIJWWCO3YRACgguh4bBDHyU4wbLXIKYByhJvy JbsAnR/YNvnTqrMLKIPVsw2DMliU1KHl =ReEJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/RkOJOUFPFpVvB/+QSQchumU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:10:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4269C106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:10:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F67F8FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:10:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SAAXTG058984; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:10:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SA9wb3058968; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:09:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:09:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:10:48 -0000 >> 2) The technology exists, as demonstrated by Microsoft, to easily >> configure a printer. > > It's because MICROS~1 are part of the system that builds the > concepts for the printers, and the printers itself. Because > of their monopoly positzion, they can say: "If you build a > printer, make drivers for our 'Windows', and it will sell > well. If you make drivers for FreeBSD, which doesn't exist, > then it won't sell." indeed. actually if printers would simply support standards like PCL or postscript and standard USB protocol it would not be need for ANY drivers both for windoze and FreeBSD. The problem is that most buyers are more happy when they get "added value" "for free" like tons of CD's Manufacturers do what market required, no matter how dumb it is. Those who didn't already failed. But again it wouldn't be that hard to make printer conforming to standard AND produce (click-generate) few gigs of add on software for windows. As windows user may get scared hearing the word "unix", even in context like "supports both windows and unix", they could sell the same printer as 2 products - printer for windows (bundled with this few gigs of addons) and printer for unix, bundled with 1 page instruction with an example how to make ghostscript filter and how to configure lpd. > included) doesn't make the situation better. I prefer the > system that FreeBSD uses: You install ONE (!) printer actually i never used things like cups, turboprint, whatever. i just run lpr to print postscript file, or print directly from programs through lpr > system that supports all (standard compliant) printers, > and you don't have to do any more work. On a system with There are lot of compliant second-hand printers for <100$. For example i have HP LaserJet 4, which printed 85000 pages when i bought it, and i printed over 15000. And it works flawlessy, so i don't have new printer every year. >> Having to perform Herculean tasks, load extra >> software; i.e. cups for instance, etc is not productive. > > CUPS isn't extra software in my opinions. Printer drivers are. exactly. it's not needed for printing. In unix many many years ago printing subsystem was already written. it's called lpd, and it has support for filters that can be considered "drivers". >> 4) My time is valuable. I don't feel like wasting it trying to get a >> printer to work correctly when it is easier to do on a Win32 box. It >> is not time well spent. assuming someone has windows box handy. one more computer just to print doesn't make much sense :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:19:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE3A1065690 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E67D8FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FA9EB52C4; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B4E450F2; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:26 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ec8DNsXM9ltP; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl157-242.kln.forthnet.gr [62.1.60.242]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F51450C6; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SAJPki035526; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:25 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4SAJNCQ035525; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> <20090527172924.GA10301@RawFedDogs.net> <878wki7zqm.fsf@kobe.laptop> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:23 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Thu, 28 May 2009 11:12:16 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <874ov51qdw.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Kevin@RawFedDogs.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:19:29 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 11:12:16 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of >> anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. >> We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate >> resource: a webpage, a mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable >> folks, etc. >> >> Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. >> Two of > > Exactly. but it for sure wasn't what original "sponsoring offer > wanted". He wanted banner/logo advert on mine webpage. > >> a) We generally accept all donations, regardless of how small they are. > > Even donations of a single RAM chip for nearly obsolete platforms are >> welcome and we try to find someone who will make good use of it. > > But you don't put advert for this. As you said - there is separate > webpage for listing sponsors, and that's excellent. > >> b) The donations team acts as a gateway for incoming stuff, and they >> have enough experience to discern genuine offers for a donation >> from spammy "please link to my personal web site and I will make >> you rich" scamming schemes. > > So what's wrong with my answer for such spammy offer? Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there *was* anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong with what you wrote. I just liked what Boris (bsam) replied to the OP's message. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:30:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826321065678 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41518FC0C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4SAQYqv055721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:26:34 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4SAUXdA046386; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:30:33 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:30:33 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:30:38 -0000 Hi, I am writing a Perl script to run on our web server. This script will be used to create user accounts. I can do almost every thing on the web server: - create the home directory - add a user in LDAP - create the MySQL database for that user The only thing I cannot do is to set the disk quota: the home directory is NFS mounted from another machine acting as file server, the quota must be edited on the file server. How could I nicely and securely connect from the script on the web server to the file server, in order to edit the quota? It should be nice and secure and without password. TIA Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:35:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BA0106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:35:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E83C8FC1B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SAYwGi059130; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:34:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SAYw8a059127; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:34:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:34:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Olivier Nicole In-Reply-To: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:35:21 -0000 > - create the MySQL database for that user > > The only thing I cannot do is to set the disk quota: the home > directory is NFS mounted from another machine acting as file server, > the quota must be edited on the file server. > > How could I nicely and securely connect from the script on the web > server to the file server, in order to edit the quota? It should be use rsh and .rhosts :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:36:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC401065672; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C478FC2E; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SAaAcL059150; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SAaAZS059147; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <874ov51qdw.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> <20090527172924.GA10301@RawFedDogs.net> <878wki7zqm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <874ov51qdw.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Kevin@RawFedDogs.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:36:16 -0000 > > Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there *was* > anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong with what so look back, as there wasn't. I think you just followed trend to criticize my "just because", while you didn't start it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:40:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F880106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B741F8FC0A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC55AEB5428; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:40:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F762450E9; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:40:19 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YbHglB8Hv9tV; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:40:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl157-242.kln.forthnet.gr [62.1.60.242]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0F44509B; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:40:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SAeI6n035605; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:40:19 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4SAeIWQ035604; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:40:18 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> <20090527172924.GA10301@RawFedDogs.net> <878wki7zqm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <874ov51qdw.fsf@kobe.laptop> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:40:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:10 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87vdnltsrx.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Kevin@RawFedDogs.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:40:21 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:10 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Dunno, I saw too many messages in the thread to remember if there >> *was* anything wrong. I'm not saying that there was something wrong >> with what > > so look back, as there wasn't. > > I think you just followed trend to criticize my "just because", while > you didn't start it. Not really. I tried to phrase what I wrote very carefully, to only point out what I liked. I don't follow "trends", but I will reserve my right to point out both what I like and what I don't :D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:41:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1C21065680 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:41:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0388FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4SAbUQC056221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 May 2009 17:37:30 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4SAfTHw046546; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:41:29 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:41:29 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl In-reply-to: (message from Wojciech Puchar on Thu, 28 May 2009 12:34:58 +0200 (CEST)) References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:41:33 -0000 > > How could I nicely and securely connect from the script on the web > > server to the file server, in order to edit the quota? It should be > use rsh and .rhosts :) I do that already, not really what I call secure ;) As I put up a new machine, I'd prefer something else. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:47:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C731065672 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC198FC1A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SAkl8V059241; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:46:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SAkld8059238; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:46:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:46:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Olivier Nicole In-Reply-To: <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:47:03 -0000 >> use rsh and .rhosts :) > > I do that already, not really what I call secure ;) Could you please explain why it is not secure in your case? I don't know exactly the environment in your case so i can't answer for sure, but most probably it's perfectly secure. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:52:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861991065670 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144308FC1D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so686369fxm.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:52:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WgE7/HRDKUvIj8bXGuP8sasP7rlqxqJJAueXMc84WA0=; b=f36RRx7kf6IrbamvtCtKwMw/f+ikKFFXTPLup9In7JLX887QS4b5fYCbIVIkdB13do WNoBqhK1rk2xEjJds7w95FbBvZTBfLO4A+oUhd4hd4nrNX7+9/hFGk+tE6VzcS/ctHjF nf7tn2aWe1V8vaZErI8kADmkbpjT1V1h/Qlfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=u34t4/D8AalIWzvXoUKFAq+IF6fKX3xUQVzrxJ/Ctx/gPjlCQBeACWRKcC658BngFe vUJfY1M6SKBx3e27qg9L0N/yLhV8Lp4vX0FLsozsLe+y3cxfzJAIwgGOGgOS6aPK2WKb OgoTi7TaJ6W8MFE9qMtXwb2ivBuyQaO1XmIqk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.55.140 with SMTP id u12mr1071563bkg.98.1243507972249; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:52:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:52:32 +0100 Message-ID: To: Olivier Nicole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:52:56 -0000 2009/5/28 Olivier Nicole : >> > How could I nicely and securely connect from the script on the web >> > server to the file server, in order to edit the quota? It should be >> use rsh and .rhosts :) > > I do that already, not really what I call secure ;) As I put up a new > machine, I'd prefer something else. > > Olivier You could use ssh and ssh keys. That's what I use in my scripts. rsh and ssh are so similar in use there's really no point in using rsh at all any more. The security gained by ssh is so great that any (very small) overhead is well worth it. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:53:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C58C106567B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:53:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9258FC27 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:53:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4SAnEhM056699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 May 2009 17:49:14 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4SArD5G046750; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:53:13 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:53:13 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200905281053.n4SArD5G046750@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl In-reply-to: (message from Wojciech Puchar on Thu, 28 May 2009 12:46:47 +0200 (CEST)) References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:53:17 -0000 > >> use rsh and .rhosts :) > > > > I do that already, not really what I call secure ;) > > Could you please explain why it is not secure in your case? > > I don't know exactly the environment in your case so i can't answer for > sure, but most probably it's perfectly secure. Because rsh/rlogin etc. is unsecure in any case. I don't remember the details, I think it has to do with the way it checks (or do not check) that the hosts are the one they pretend they are. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 10:53:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B693010656CC for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from thing.verysmall.org (thing.verysmall.org [89.234.8.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A6E8FC2F for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from [192.168.40.155] (port-87-193-147-74.static.qsc.de [87.193.147.74]) by thing.verysmall.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 290F01703D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: From: Iv Ray To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:35:05 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: FreeBSD in a cloud X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:53:24 -0000 Does anyone know a place to host FreeBSD in a cloud? Rackspace offer quite interesting cloud servers via www.mosso.com - but they claim they run only Linux. We have had FreeBSD with Rackspace for over 5 years (though they refuse to officially support it) and I cannot understand if they cannot or do not want to run it in the cloud. Iv From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:00:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD56106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9418FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so690624fxm.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:00:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mf4T6aO4FXzCYKEC1rnq/6+bk7zdbUbauOLoGiHV5dI=; b=pfFZJtDw4QU3/SaU6ELHxsKoKwsfoeGGxb69Xluey2diROZ70hCtUgyaEqikuv5iPi Gp/ks5SjL30cQTR9Fe7q8gY3iQvNDV5r9RT6iTARs2/vnxevhMjs0kLx5bCJTns4M1Dq dN293iMV8mQpv9ftISNIvkDohcidj1EVoJxvQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AuYcSylHJd9NIMMidUHJViQSuLxYi2fgRURVRdEi/gzfFaT1dv00CrpqTf0OFUkDQG gOPsPVg30wDPrnwN2No89gcSPqj38XUk7wib49GqNvzB4mlO5O8dEwCL3XwjvShzc2hw 7XtH2M3x8T68BYuR77uYEsG/K/0yiDI5IbPgY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.112.11 with SMTP id u11mr1065629bkp.134.1243508404790; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:00:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3a142e750905280206i7decd799tba9a274bae132294@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1809A1.3050507@gmail.com> <3a142e750905280206i7decd799tba9a274bae132294@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:00:04 +0200 Message-ID: <3a142e750905280400m5770029by687ff9526b045dab@mail.gmail.com> From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: OpenOffice.org 3.1 (i386) packages now available X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:00:12 -0000 On 5/28/09, Paul B. Mahol wrote: > On 5/23/09, Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> This is a continuation of an effort to offer pre-built packages for >> OpenOffice, that started with this post: >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-April/195997.html >> >> With the release of OpenOffice 3.1, the new package and all dependencies >> were rebuilt, and are hosted on the same location as before: >> >> http://freebsd.dev-urandom.com/packages/openoffice/ >> >> The main package to download is: >> >> http://freebsd.dev-urandom.com/packages/openoffice/openoffice.org-3.1.0.tbz >> >> Everyone who installed the 3.01 packages should be able to easily >> upgrade to this version. It would be best to have an otherwise upgraded >> system before installing this package. >> >> Users who do not have any version of openoffice already installed, are >> advised to read the instructions in the post linked above. >> Please note these packages were built for 7.2-RELEASE, i386. >> You are of course welcome to send any comments, problems etc, either by >> mail or by replying to this thread. >> >> Thanks! >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Are extensions working for you? After little exploration this is already known problem: ports/129308 -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:02:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD585106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064348FC16 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SB2Jat059378; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:02:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SB2IPq059375; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:02:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:02:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:02:37 -0000 > rsh and ssh are so similar in use there's really no point in using rsh > at all any more. there is a point. Just try to think why instead of simply repeating a phrase "ssh is secure, rsh is not, don't use it". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:05:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99611065676 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:05:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA548FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:05:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-bw0-f213.google.com with SMTP id 9so5415510bwz.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:05:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=R5wm8rQAMeBxUSr/UXUXDCeG+A2K/o+QeorUoLvixuY=; b=KgjeZUmqYkW8bvC+zb7we/Izlw6XVXRtLH0yy5/i/wspMXjgCZr3yC2b+EAbLnmbHO jDyZzwOH5+wUFrWzBsVjHaQ+1sDEA/Qohx7fSJfkiAUZgMtPwD/1+Rn6audZwWALrExl EMePba5Hi1Lg3YKkCF5wigg4YbTLhSt8ZEIG8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=p3Ov9Wk0IgHR6XMNKmxqcO+xqiNVY7AjS8DZAJdR9z1YU4nSDlruiBZaNEKtx0HYKU lydURXqsq44VE5vnSdTFLP+XJnR/hgE38jdT2GXbVkddt5xlRTFXT4tDQ/lxinT1Cp0q s/7fywzwLX29HDCE4Ng9yCl5xaZ9JjDFIwgJo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.15 with SMTP id k15mr1074705bkq.118.1243508721097; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:05:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:05:01 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:05:22 -0000 2009/5/28 Wojciech Puchar : >> rsh and ssh are so similar in use there's really no point in using rsh >> at all any more. > > there is a point. Just try to think why instead of simply repeating a phrase > "ssh is secure, rsh is not, don't use it". > rlogin has several serious security problems: * All information, including passwords, is transmitted unencrypted (making it vulnerable to interception). * The .rlogin (or .rhosts) file is easy to misuse (potentially allowing anyone to login without a password) - for this reason many corporate system administrators prohibit .rlogin files and actively search their networks for offenders. * The protocol partly relies on the remote party's rlogin client providing information honestly (including source port and source host name). A corrupt client is thus able to forge this and gain access, as the rlogin protocol has no means of authenticating other machines' identities, or ensuring that the rlogin client on a trusted machine is the real rlogin client. * The common practice of mounting users' home directories via NFS exposes rlogin to attack by means of fake .rhosts files - this means that any of NFS's security faults automatically plague rlogin. Due to these serious problems rlogin was rarely used across untrusted networks (like the public internet) and even in closed deployments it has fallen into relative disuse (with many Unix and Linux distributions no longer including it by default). Many networks which formerly relied on rlogin and telnet have replaced it with SSH and its rlogin-equivalent slogin. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:08:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A472B106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8D48FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1760188ewy.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:08:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=l2qqJPNFereM2h1gGryMlai2EF6tc3EvW754O54Q5DM=; b=uPYs5AJlMClEi3H/ZYBokQEEHorbI+TxqQpYq0yYkY9KZz4KZ/4ymsMH28UUwDmbxc aW9s4+FG4N3oy8Pl2ZoWpU8sAy54DSrqhc1oht0YSwWpLWmYXNTX5HFvd+P8E0TVnrAj NBFdBNZmK0w8mNGl6IBOuSQ+Xs11CrfEYKekk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NlZAeqt7t8ucbLkHCSGvmrlcKf4ywZWBA/gTwJuU+wpi1u+19sNpm2+Tdz237s5IlB wThZPnxTp2gkHtDYSSQFr0LE5povnwhQE4qmCuDAfK9HehKQbkgBFkpFNYVSltQczJ1N i/XrqUSnVFDKRJ0Gl9EOuq71nPqoIldyytuRY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.26.205 with SMTP id c55mr469117wea.1.1243508923090; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:08:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:08:23 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry McAllister , Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:08:44 -0000 2009/5/28 Wojciech Puchar : >>> anyway, i reread the original "sponsoring" offer and i think i understand >>> well. so - if FreeBSD team like to accept donations that way, my 100$ is >>> still waiting :) >> >> I am afraid you still do not understand it. This sponsorship offer was NOT >> directed to you. > > did you really read my sentence. > > I TOO OFFER 100$ for getting my advert on FreeBSD webpage, as he did. If > FreeBSD core team accept this, 200$ is ready. > > But i think you simply don't really want to read what i write, you better > like to repeat the same sentences over and over again. > > hope it will change Actually he said: What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning on the site somewhere with a link to our website. I took that to mean on the Sponsors' page, not the main page, and even if it does, it is _not your place_ to tell sponsors that their donations aren't 'good' enough. Now please read this question and answer it: Why did you reply to the message? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:10:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A81C106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7718FC23 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SBABoe059438; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:10:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SBAB1a059435; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:10:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:10:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Olivier Nicole In-Reply-To: <200905281053.n4SArD5G046750@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281053.n4SArD5G046750@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:10:25 -0000 >> sure, but most probably it's perfectly secure. > > Because rsh/rlogin etc. is unsecure in any case. I don't remember the very bad you don't remember the details. Let i give you an example. I throw 1000$ on my table in my flat. Is this money insecure? The answer is - maybe, it's just as secure as my doors and windows cause you have to enter my flat first to get it. Other case - i put this 1000$ into hardened steel coffer. Is it secure? The answer is - The coffer provides EXTRA security over just throwing it on table. The question - do i need an extra cost of coffer? the answer depends again of how good my doors and windows are! Same with rsh. If your servers are connected by LAN and there are only your servers there, there are not possible to: 1) sniff your traffic as potential sniffer isn't in LAN 2) cheat from outside your inside's IP. So you simply don't need a coffer. As coffer is an extra cost, ssh is an extra cost. Actually great cost of unneeded encryption and RSA/DSA negotiation on startup. The other case: i have secure tunnels between some of my servers and my home computer. I do use rsh/rlogin for everything as the communication is already secured! The difference between human and monkeys is that human can think himself instead of just learning and blindly repeating. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:13:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAEA106567F for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7608FC1E for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:13:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SBDBYl059454; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:13:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SBDBX1059451; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:13:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:13:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:13:25 -0000 > Due to these serious problems rlogin was rarely used across untrusted networks Good you finally pointed out the most important thing "rlogin/rsh is insecure across untrusted network" This is QUITE a difference between this and "rsh is insecure. period" rsh is as secure as the communication channel. If it can be considered secure - DO USE rsh, because it's fastest as it doesn't have any encryption overhead. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:14:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB5510656C1 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:14:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC2F8FC0C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1763956ewy.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:14:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tWOT6R1HDS3vypcQr8hQj25ZZynNSuUVPQgZXXunQkI=; b=DhpchKoE8cGGkExw9sRiX+yIFzSpYLtvoVk9ptVu0Kseqhx9W+emPjtlq1opZ5Hy7x xC3w1XCsG5QKY3ABFYSld9Qn+0RDfhBPYlr3hsXLur3iPUsjm2YtEEe3t+ASffMN/p3R HR/gyhO4jAyshfyBs3IwGG+07MXDWJHm2FUbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xfTFUZSM7K0zwC50jPmfjZ0WB/UNDsSRmevPebbgF0N7OYNVGEiVdgMatDUy5SMsZ2 J1b7TsNatYO5z2l1WAlYl9T1asiaBOoUuPB7XYCRjS4HTGI5cUyvQBD/Ltp4KpsCLgWt JCTn/bc1yQD5lhrl5dk8GJAOaZmXnaln7rKug= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.8.79 with SMTP id 57mr425158weq.202.1243509242125; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:14:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:13:42 +0100 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:14:04 -0000 2009/5/27 Jerry : > On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:09:05 +0100 > Chris Rees wrote: > >>Seriously, why give up on something because it takes an hour or two >>out of your day, and carry on the ~seven minute >>reboot-to-'Windows'-cycle out of laziness? Sounds counter-productive >>and defeatist. > > 1) You are assuming that the same PC contains both Windows & FBSD. So you suggest leaving one computer running 'Windows' on solely as a print server? Is that an efficient use of power, space and hardware? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:15:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DB51065734 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:15:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817658FC24 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SBFEnb059468; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:15:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SBFEjN059465; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:15:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:15:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jerry McAllister , Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:15:23 -0000 > > Actually he said: > > > What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning > on the site somewhere with a link to our website. so if you believe it means that he will be happy with being on list, i can get him back if you like ;) > I took that to mean on the Sponsors' page, not the main page, and even > if it does, it is _not your place_ to tell sponsors that their it's UNMODERATED mailing list, so i can share my opinion. And you are really the last person i care about when presenting my opinion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:15:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22521065797 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:15:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8B68FC0A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:15:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1765143ewy.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:15:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XTpA10yXAe96FUmwazS7rPT9snCHMYnpt+hQxRBBOY8=; b=rgn7dv/Jbb9XnkfuErF6q31l7GohzwRoS26aQVfhH0rbf7NGmul2MlbgIA5gGn9XA6 VvxIX5E8a2l8h9wB0MW373t4Jwp3EsnALKovgyTF3Rkr4+LuitM5umLAxRGjNBp3yht8 tafoTeOqc97N4jNQsD3VSNnozqfKxhzKvYxWY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZXgVXJz4xWh9+7bm4BhlONSr38v8oHiPAgJWWWe9to6pxgfyTDNWlM9AbRW7Ry50OF cm/QhFP9+28UNeNA15S4jNRIeTcXud6/Xr6eCr6k/m19qxuiDNW9ZZ6jp75bxEjT5r6z 4yd03ezSbMkyptdEu1ynXp+uCV39i9UH12UP0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.47.196 with SMTP id t46mr454566web.121.1243509342139; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:15:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:15:22 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:15:44 -0000 2009/5/28 Wojciech Puchar : >> Due to these serious problems rlogin was rarely used across untrusted >> networks > > Good you finally pointed out the most important thing > > "rlogin/rsh is insecure across untrusted network" > > This is QUITE a difference between this and "rsh is insecure. period" > > rsh is as secure as the communication channel. If it can be considered > secure - DO USE rsh, because it's fastest as it doesn't have any encryption > overhead. > > > But the encryption overhead is almost nothing. The best security comes in layers. Also, I think it's a bad idea to leave money lying round like that. That's why we have banks. More layers. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:21:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D79106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828398FC22 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SBLVm6059532; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:21:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SBLUmk059529; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:21:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:21:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:21:49 -0000 > Also, I think it's a bad idea to leave money lying round like that. > That's why we have banks. More layers. like most people today you like overcomplexity, layers etc. But there are still people that prefer simplicity. You should have some respect to them. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:24:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C278106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:24:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD048FC1A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1771067ewy.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:24:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IGyyFkplk9vdaBChd+LNF3UogfLEx4ONeSvsj1x+JuI=; b=sMOoQ1PR2V1BMQM9wmPXThiOAMq8wTwlTXZSskz+BcTkDeTPyD5Mq7cZRCs9PhBx9V H9msl2WkL/WOcnjo9AgBCdh6rLMkeDb3kTZPJisQ/NYWEHKIRfO5YerhtkdnKk8uSPxv plKjL/gupYiCv4K7+/RatMzpxrk1U5Hg36d7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=b5VVoZalEKh1lTjIqduXNLuZkw5D4anKINx2oDyTCQnemZ1WHFor8fBWyITEKFbE/B XfJJyj97sMg71Q66bYaJGlYuxtoGUlpQmM6XgwiLqK6T0OhEY9S8EfnUNJhGPv4EyJ06 bJIZw+Ec/EFk34xGj6tk7ywemw0yQ25DLWocQ= Received: by 10.210.141.19 with SMTP id o19mr530053ebd.54.1243509873793; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm8150969eyg.34.2009.05.28.04.24.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 May 2009 04:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:24:30 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528122430.729c83a9@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <200905280749.12509.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090528021346.54c91917@gumby.homeunix.com> <200905280749.12509.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:24:35 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 07:49:12 +0200 Mel Flynn wrote: > On Thursday 28 May 2009 03:13:46 RW wrote: > > On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 > > > > Roland Smith wrote: > > > Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those > > > distfiles that do not belong to installed ports. > > > > I've not used it myself, but there is also a shell script called > > distviper in bsdadminscripts which supports both of distclean's > > modes without the ruby dependence. > > What ruby dependence in portmaster? He said portMASTER not > portUPGRADE. I wrote: "supports both of distclean's modes without the ruby dependence". Portmaster only supports one of the modes, distclean has a ruby dependence. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 11:52:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CA9106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:52:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E198FC17 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:52:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 8685937; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:52:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 8685935 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:51:49 -0400 Message-ID: <4A1E7A61.9010200@radel.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:49:53 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070104030606080805060902" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:52:03 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070104030606080805060902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> Also, I think it's a bad idea to leave money lying round like that. >> That's why we have banks. More layers. > > like most people today you like overcomplexity, layers etc. > > But there are still people that prefer simplicity. You should have some > respect to them. Some. But zero sympathy the day it all blows up in their faces due to just one little configuration error or, oops, exploit they didn't know about. In any case, I believe we've had the "Wojciech can do all sorts of advanced things as he doesn't have to protect himself from any junior admins on shift 3 or comply with any best practices that he thinks are silly because it's all about him on his network" conversation on this list before. 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owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 12:00:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA83106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC388FC17 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082397E837; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:00:09 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:59:49 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <200905280749.12509.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <20090528122430.729c83a9@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090528122430.729c83a9@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905281359.50095.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: RW Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:00:16 -0000 On Thursday 28 May 2009 13:24:30 RW wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 07:49:12 +0200 > > Mel Flynn wrote: > > On Thursday 28 May 2009 03:13:46 RW wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 > > > > > > Roland Smith wrote: > > > > Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those > > > > distfiles that do not belong to installed ports. > > > > > > I've not used it myself, but there is also a shell script called > > > distviper in bsdadminscripts which supports both of distclean's > > > modes without the ruby dependence. > > > > What ruby dependence in portmaster? He said portMASTER not > > portUPGRADE. > > I wrote: "supports both of distclean's modes without the ruby > dependence". > > Portmaster only supports one of the modes, distclean has a ruby > dependence. I'm still not sure what ruby dependence you go on about. Could you point me to the line in portmaster that invokes ruby or a ruby script? -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 12:03:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88FB10656AC for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20ACF8FC14 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1261801fga.12 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:03:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mcDQE7xelrBEpxpVfceik8BrGc3F7Q7pxLEE2UNpWTw=; b=xwMGP9R1NtkXCtR8JcUVieVFzXL8pXTtSD43fbOvpT3fR3fBh5ArjqMGn1GY/2L1Xv w8AcoGo8y+WIKMr7vx22GXhm3jlKwGtZnipRMtiRORlIdio6kf0acxaV+3Gcjb43/lCD OWULgu6B5Ws32mCH3T5GU+BSu6UibxQj72dm8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=K4ZD31eJhg4kW5g9o054FCO7h8FKzusmyMAmMi6wEOhKFiybLoVx0HB67F1cnrHLug WuHb7fTr4OeozzQfLjjBGKa6nxqHFOjydrNw0bZQcrIVzkPBc0UNklIVgMZk4eMTyuQc sFE3syHEulSlhhmxC3V3IfVvjY3lIxyn3dR1o= Received: by 10.86.49.13 with SMTP id w13mr1438232fgw.31.1243512189902; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm18617322fgg.3.2009.05.28.05.03.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 May 2009 05:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:03:06 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528130306.2389ff89@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090528122430.729c83a9@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20090527224351.1e94029b@bobcat.edu> <20090527205610.GA22384@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090528021346.54c91917@gumby.homeunix.com> <200905280749.12509.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <20090528122430.729c83a9@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: removing distfiles? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:03:23 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:24:30 +0100 RW wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 07:49:12 +0200 > Mel Flynn wrote: > > > On Thursday 28 May 2009 03:13:46 RW wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 > > > > > > Roland Smith wrote: > > > > Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those > > > > distfiles that do not belong to installed ports. > > > > > > I've not used it myself, but there is also a shell script called > > > distviper in bsdadminscripts which supports both of distclean's > > > modes without the ruby dependence. > > > > What ruby dependence in portmaster? He said portMASTER not > > portUPGRADE. > > I wrote: "supports both of distclean's modes without the ruby > dependence". > > Portmaster only supports one of the modes, distclean has a ruby > dependence. Sorry, that should have been portsclean not distclean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 12:04:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4271065792 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B998FC0C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:04:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SC46mq059752; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:04:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SC45pF059749; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:04:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:04:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jon Radel In-Reply-To: <4A1E7A61.9010200@radel.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <4A1E7A61.9010200@radel.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:04:15 -0000 >> respect to them. > > Some. But zero sympathy the day it all blows up in their faces due to just > one little configuration error or, oops, exploit they didn't know about. what configuration error could you imagine. In my opinion there is bigger change to make a configuration error in more sophisticated config than in simple. and higher chance for security bug in more complex program than in simple. rshd is damn simple program compared to sshd. My rule is - if you can do more simple, DO IT more simple. If this make me "very advanced administrator" it's just a proof that it's easy to become advanced administrator, you just have not to repeat blindly what's said everywhere. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 12:06:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3F210657F2 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:06:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987BD8FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonic2000gr@gmail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so730489fxm.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:06:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UjYyR3yw6fgwzIL8NmZVni8lsgPnrk9POGFcLmxMFqM=; b=pj2ZjysNayVOW/BxPVAPmZK74/2Evqf74/kHIICcPtWjoIxT2R3NNX0jSEAY4V3fPy rsZpcPShFAE82JgqUO11Ew9nXW/iAgzNBVMUAtYRd81paJBnoH1k6Cq6tOVi/wVzKhlo rYSBLBSJM17wdCmYtYVOTX6AJlv6+qR38T7as= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=YnbHbflLK+yZ+z1YRug/lvxxr8LfB4H2l6/ofdaLtLyTUEK+ing883mjV8UKIjzwy0 xxR/o86kY8h9kUTrgxqpO91QnoZQjhtF3MBDERvyCbAKuvH0Htxp4c3Ytj8/5KipTIrs 00M/haifL5TG88Opf/d32/5PoZSUSmtTSiMGg= Received: by 10.86.70.3 with SMTP id s3mr1466183fga.12.1243512359615; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-4488614.home.otenet.gr [94.71.73.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm5067918fgb.6.2009.05.28.05.05.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 May 2009 05:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1E7E21.4060308@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:05:53 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul B. Mahol" References: <4A1809A1.3050507@gmail.com> <3a142e750905280206i7decd799tba9a274bae132294@mail.gmail.com> <3a142e750905280400m5770029by687ff9526b045dab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3a142e750905280400m5770029by687ff9526b045dab@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: OpenOffice.org 3.1 (i386) packages now available X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:06:02 -0000 Paul B. Mahol wrote: >> >> Are extensions working for you? >> > > After little exploration this is already known problem: ports/129308 > > Haven't tried extensions (rarely use any) but thanks for letting us know. Was this working on 3.01? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 12:08:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6904106571C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E658FC16 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:08:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1802434ewy.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:08:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=poKTYkjlqpvRtAbB6WAIulXJJldr7V3OJl47b74/zpI=; b=V033GBObukQUZ+mbVpseJHwUi4eGZJgEEZelYLj+9fMS4z8vVQKXQIFkzKeoozG3kN WEQBQLMwZ1y3WelnLSI4ZpHcpUXf5On7ifbsI0YmLbZ64RWSKQoNMuNKdnst2Ub0NzKw 1In+U9dI1+zHqQz540FMeg6Xpgc+LlteLW51U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cA/KfKvKK6iX2JRi6WScRYVMGobSBw3J57i2/nJJn1P+0IehG4dxi9Hq7oBzAj5dgx kqs0epQe6gfyAzmwlfo4CXhwP4jxwkr3npRtuMPZa3m8MnuQ/Gl9Q+xgMkRcG385JN0f +5xRwN3cztUd/U+IjCO00m6G5SXWf1eXc+HoM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.8.79 with SMTP id 57mr443199weq.202.1243512511090; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:08:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:08:11 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry McAllister , Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:08:33 -0000 2009/5/28 Wojciech Puchar : >> >> Actually he said: >> >> > href=http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/12268152.html> >> What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning >> on the site somewhere with a link to our website. > > so if you believe it means that he will be happy with being on list, i can > get him back if you like ;) > >> I took that to mean on the Sponsors' page, not the main page, and even >> if it does, it is _not your place_ to tell sponsors that their > > it's UNMODERATED mailing list, so i can share my opinion. > > And you are really the last person i care about when presenting my opinion. > So are you going to answer my question? Why did you answer his question? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 12:10:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A75310657FA for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE3C8FC1C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:10:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SC9w2g059836; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:09:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SC9vws059833; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:09:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:09:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jerry McAllister , Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:10:04 -0000 >> it's UNMODERATED mailing list, so i can share my opinion. >> >> And you are really the last person i care about when presenting my opinion. >> > > So are you going to answer my question? > > Why did you answer his question? > already did. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 12:31:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57189106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED2778FC21 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32438 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 12:31:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=PrTOr1HRIk2/ayL8z0xqBh9D+nU5AaGnknEg4sukhwrbf6gXBKr/YxH7Uj0kwb6hhHqIeLNPJ/k91h4hxGSsYoLHJlDkXJCy8dBf0mdmOJXfPNodNQ2Sc+8bXEwrpDjxjVapJ2rPq/0RU0+BeWh73AKV+F/BQFykYCsmIOAkM6s= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 05:31:09 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: DzAPmcQVM1kyNB9ptsaQae8i.RkobmtK.M1jLEzH_H8raExkQL7zdWYMbWcPKOTw7UriCQjHPSZe5V3M.Pvo8eQFdr4MjOj3U8At6V3uZ.miD4pzaNZgeWVwKLurglkKxHY0gP4ZpX2E567abqxPYzI3yxF1_3Yq9dPq0PszfiPnQe_NJsNqVsBw.asLGSpqbFFkqNee0vqlByMWDjU6dBiMnT.aDxAPGxbocm_HMIhKr.qo7sBQYzwxXD2qEFHflV1cAq7xtAeEvg0sQOAz7fZrCfHWQ.v0l4wPFzQQ4Ua.w2hX2uyq.TCUjeWsDMOKSxO7GdRn X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:30:56 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/e6m3kbH38VNVetCxUwzrCeO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:31:10 -0000 --Sig_/e6m3kbH38VNVetCxUwzrCeO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:13:42 +0100 Chris Rees wrote: >So you suggest leaving one computer running 'Windows' on solely as a >print server? Is that an efficient use of power, space and hardware? 1) You are assuming it is only one PC. Actually, there are several. 2) Considering FLASH support in FBSD sucks, I find that I regularly need the use of a Win PC. There are also numerous applications that I just do not have available on an X-desktop. While FBSD has many fine uses, primarily in the server department, it is solely lacking as a full service desktop replacement for me. I realize that Xorg is a major cause of that problem, but that is not my concern. By the way, using a headless Win PC as a print server takes up virtually no space, its power consumption is inconsequential, and I am not even sure what other hardware, perhaps a UPS, you are referring to. Considering that I can have any number of printers hooked up easily and get higher print quality, I find it an extremely useful option. For the record, I only have three printers hooked up at my residency at present. Two of them being wireless. Attempting to get them working under FBSD became a real exercise in pain. In Windows, it was a simple two minute operation. If I am at work, and they are willing to pay me to play with something, that is one thing. However, I will be damned if I am going to waste my time when a simpler and more efficient method is available. In any case, "Sulum ut suus" or "chacun a son gout" if you prefer. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com The chief enemy of creativity is "good" sense. Picasso --Sig_/e6m3kbH38VNVetCxUwzrCeO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoehAsACgkQBvaKIJWWCO3ySwCglbgxmVDUZt84zdPnoY/KFsF+ 78sAni7BrcjnxomXdPAcjDj0fPBVyAiA =NQ1Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/e6m3kbH38VNVetCxUwzrCeO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 12:42:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFC8106576D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:42:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79378FC1A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:42:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SCgWJ5060002 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SCgW23059999 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:42:41 -0000 > 2) Considering FLASH support in FBSD sucks, I find that I regularly need there are no flash support in FreeBSD as there are no support for internet explorer or Wojtek's super-ultra-super software (if that exist ;). It's not FreeBSD job at all, but programmer job of that software. It's an operating system that allow running ANY programs, with the only requirement to be in FreeBSD ELF format and using .so libraries and system calls that are in base system. Taking into account how simple is to port any program from linux to FreeBSD, and that Adobe Flash already runs linux, it's simple that Adobe simply don't want to extends their userbase to FreeBSD for almost free. So as they don't want me to use it, i don't use it. If i would consider flash so important to have separate computer for this, and in the same time accept how Adobe treats me, i will just buy it. But it have nothing to do with FreeBSD support. Sorry for long post about it, but i DO HAVE to correct your wrong statement. > the use of a Win PC. There are also numerous applications that I just > do not have available on an X-desktop. What you mean "X desktop"? You mean X Window System? > While FBSD has many fine uses, primarily in the server department, it > is solely lacking as a full service desktop replacement for me. I As usual it depends on needs - for me it provides all i need for operating system. But it's really off-topic > By the way, using a headless Win PC as a print server takes up virtually > no space, its power consumption is inconsequential, and I am not even anyway buing standard-compliant printer seems like simpler and cheaper solution for me. Even if it would be slightly more expensive, i would prefer it, to keep things simple. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 12:48:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668651065673 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f106.google.com (mail-px0-f106.google.com [209.85.216.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C1B8FC1A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: by pxi4 with SMTP id 4so4544232pxi.3 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:48:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JowF3GJv5iOTnr2E11+ONCj1n8QwTIWljaOAOmg6myk=; b=vddCAEvE6g965DFMEQcxJX5bGoeKVa8b93gMK8UnRzQce9NjTS+SteVJeCaXefa9Mc gJ+oeCFPghp+SwNnqFtFjEy8303aLA/6uLunRiB98ItpaiFHh/SitgLEb9kP7ycD7dA4 mmo90ZLQ7+W1FvV8MXHbTscMC9a3PN659CigA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LOgJgzISB7aCpDqeFwlG5iyfK4vc7FY259X4wCcrWCtqVFpcCd9WDp/1iPHzuB+XnB JS0mvt5Vb6ilbSsshDp0s218At0rZPzLiwhc0+IcpeRpkCKqn/avTMvJavhMc5nzEdTy aCP1zb3EkwGinriXSZHamsLOMDlUrSK+UDWWc= Received: by 10.114.169.12 with SMTP id r12mr1316441wae.68.1243514923600; Thu, 28 May 2009 05:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?152.144.218.148? ([203.92.44.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9sm9453576wah.36.2009.05.28.05.48.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 May 2009 05:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1E8824.1020604@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:18:36 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roland Smith Subject: Need sed to do something which sounds simple X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:48:46 -0000 Hi, I need sed to do something which sounds simple, but I can't figure out the right command. All I need to do is insert a blank after a '}' at the end of a line if the next line begins immediately afterwards (i.e. with no blank line between). //abc.cpp : int myclass::fx(int * arg) { if(! (isValid())) { return -1; } return ptr->fx(arg); } //what-i-want.cpp : int myclass::fx(int * arg) { if(! (isValid())) { return -1; } return ptr->fx(arg); } The commands I have tried are : i) sed -e 's/\(}$\)\n\(^[[:space:]]*[[:alpha:]]\+\)/\1\n\n\2/' \ what-i-want.cpp ii) sed -e 's/\(}$\)\(^[[:space:]]*[[:alpha:]]\+\)/\1\n\2/' \ what-i-want.cpp but obviously neither works, which is why posting this message. Can anybody please tell me what the correct command would be like ? Thank you & -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 12:50:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791C61065676 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03F08FC24 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SCoHi2060052 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:50:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SCoG1V060049 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:50:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:50:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: superpages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:50:24 -0000 maybe not new news but i just found this: http://www.h-online.com/open/FreeBSD-7-2-released-now-with-Superpages--/news/113204 It says about pages 4KB and 4MB and that it's done automatically. Two questions: 1) is it on all architectures including amd64? As amd64 supports 4KB, 2MB and 1GB pages it sounds inconsistent with the above. 2) how does this "automatic" selection work. By just having program with large continous data space (like squid proxy) will it put that data on 2MB pages. if it's true i would be enough reason to upgrade to 7.2 on 2 computers. thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 13:09:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9EA1065673 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:09:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ACDAB8FC18 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44524 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 13:09:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=N8nQYRg8p/3VKR4f+8/sVkRdXF9MaVJlgdRLa7pQRo62bbOuB3iKCL4oC2vJuNPl2kbR9L+iF2enY/PJseXqLMqNeqMm+0uIAuco+5GMzFhgvmnprE1TlHYnpvOSbk9EYlwZLnVgj73lga43UMtZqPOUlmwRPvOCJb/d72v8Yzo= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 06:09:44 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: vACQAAsVM1naWMZmNcv4r5H_UoMhq2CutSetqbRhThyLIA3laTM9SWI3MLDZ8pNhlF3G0yykIHKLxhfWwCYDxWRjfIMde2UzdI3JfKvd.AD9YbcrLIiLFzcbAM7DOrUxOndtkqjUIpQFKcO.AUtgedAIPydKVkZKZH5gCYUkUEHXpHtoYpJf_VigA6q58k7F3MZwot3HlFEpmcZUvu2wKYIEQDX7OKZJ__jj2shzyqT.Bk8Z3hzWM1dotyZHWp99rdNdI4w_NNVKX0n0JjcuCKvl8eY6nvlzfUpn57Xf5gmAChDPvk9LwG2sYwP5v4C6R2WiUL77 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:09:41 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/bDO/B7fCM.etuJRa=hFbv5Y"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:09:46 -0000 --Sig_/bDO/B7fCM.etuJRa=hFbv5Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:31 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> 2) Considering FLASH support in FBSD sucks, I find that I regularly >> need > >there are no flash support in FreeBSD as there are no support for >internet explorer or Wojtek's super-ultra-super software (if that >exist ;). It's not FreeBSD job at all, but programmer job of that >software. > >It's an operating system that allow running ANY=20 >programs, with the only requirement to be in FreeBSD ELF format and >using .so libraries and system calls that are in base system. > >Taking into account how simple is to port any program from linux to=20 >FreeBSD, and that Adobe Flash already runs linux, it's simple that >Adobe simply don't want to extends their userbase to FreeBSD for >almost free. > >So as they don't want me to use it, i don't use it. > >If i would consider flash so important to have separate computer for >this, and in the same time accept how Adobe treats me, i will just buy >it. > >But it have nothing to do with FreeBSD support. > >Sorry for long post about it, but i DO HAVE to correct your wrong=20 >statement. Actually, you are a troll.=20 >> the use of a Win PC. There are also numerous applications that I just >> do not have available on an X-desktop. > >What you mean "X desktop"? You mean X Window System? > >> While FBSD has many fine uses, primarily in the server department, it >> is solely lacking as a full service desktop replacement for me. I > >As usual it depends on needs - for me it provides all i need for >operating system. But it's really off-topic Now that is a truly stupid statement. The usefulness of any OS or applications is directly proportionate to the end users intended purpose. >> By the way, using a headless Win PC as a print server takes up >> virtually no space, its power consumption is inconsequential, and I >> am not even > >anyway buing standard-compliant printer seems like simpler and cheaper=20 >solution for me. > >Even if it would be slightly more expensive, i would prefer it, to >keep things simple. First it is "simpler and cheaper' then 'more expensive'. Nothing like a firm commitment to ambiquity. The bottom line is that using a Win PC box for a print server saves me countless hours of frustration. I know that I can purchase virtually any printer on the market today and have it up and running on the Windows box in a few minutes. Can you say the same thing about a FBSD box? Not even close. The idea behind any venture, be it personal or business, is to find the cheapest and most efficient solution for a given problem. I have found one that works just fine for me. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com To envision how a 4-processor system running [SunOS] 4.1.x works, think of four kids and one bathroom. John DiMarco --Sig_/bDO/B7fCM.etuJRa=hFbv5Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoejRYACgkQBvaKIJWWCO35QACfaAaWCvr9uxklo637vDKfSUuS EBgAoIJK/1Wfk0qoX2dZBFyA9VoHZrfu =oPYk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/bDO/B7fCM.etuJRa=hFbv5Y-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 13:12:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E2F106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout05-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout05-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A72C8FC18 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: (qmail 18122 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 13:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout05-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.56) with ESMTP; 28 May 2009 13:12:28 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:12:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Is this a gmirror bug? Thread-Index: Acnfc1p+XjlT+rgjRSutMCjoEO2g5wAIjc1g References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> From: "Peter Steele" To: Subject: RE: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:12:31 -0000 >good but seems quite overcomplex expecially this pkg_add. > >why just not to compress whole filesystem(s) by tar+gzip? ? I think we must be talking about something different. In any event, what we have works quite well and I'm not about to change the process at this point... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 13:35:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C733106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:35:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644D28FC1E for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:35:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SDYxjP060261 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:34:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SDYxCA060258 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:34:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:34:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:35:06 -0000 >> this, and in the same time accept how Adobe treats me, i will just buy >> it. >> >> But it have nothing to do with FreeBSD support. >> >> Sorry for long post about it, but i DO HAVE to correct your wrong >> statement. > > Actually, you are a troll. thank you very much. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 13:47:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB651065676 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:47:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E408FC12 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:47:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A17F1FC30 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:47:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xZ+Oe--HYRbK for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:47:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CD5A61FC29 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:47:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:47:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:47:19 -0000 On Thursday 28 May 2009 06:13:11 am Wojciech Puchar wrote: > rsh is as secure as the communication channel. If it can be considered > secure - DO USE rsh, because it's fastest as it doesn't have any > encryption overhead. Are you on a 386? -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 13:53:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5C01065811 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:53:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE938FC19 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SDrNs7060374; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:53:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SDrN11060371; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:53:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:53:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:53:31 -0000 > >> rsh is as secure as the communication channel. If it can be considered >> secure - DO USE rsh, because it's fastest as it doesn't have any >> encryption overhead. > > Are you on a 386? depends, between pentium I and core2 quad. what's a difference? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 14:04:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2025510657E0 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37638FC1F for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:04:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708EE1FE3C; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:04:49 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id itOesQ4ez6M3; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:04:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 111C41FE33; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:04:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: Wojciech Puchar Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:04:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:04:52 -0000 On Thursday 28 May 2009 08:53:23 am Wojciech Puchar wrote: > depends, between pentium I and core2 quad. > > what's a difference? Well, I can transfer 25MB/s between hosts on the LAN without my CPU ever breaking 10% CPU usage. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 14:53:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F5A106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:53:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josef.moellers@ts.fujitsu.com) Received: from dgate20.ts.fujitsu.com (dgate20.ts.fujitsu.com [80.70.172.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A888FC1C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:53:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josef.moellers@ts.fujitsu.com) DomainKey-Signature: s=s1536a; d=ts.fujitsu.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-SBRSScore:X-IronPort-AV:Received:X-IronPort-AV: Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Organization:User-Agent: MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cDI8ynDJCMzbUZSd44ulI9vd800Jg6JAnUZG64hZF8RLGPzPoZNmgGAR Rei//hEsIFD1+OIxVTKUVE/bqIzpuj58EFOVZQ+YjxZO1AW3ZExA4K+om ZO3P/MXvmvp6D89+QVBDXvdwPM7EZ2Ak3mhUqRucl3sZxrzrYjbOPdqu4 4YsiChOaHIGq0mgf5mI+eIFUvKtqH+5rQQVztfCOX6mojL7c5TAIx1qMp btWknkQJ2pdPUR0kIF0iWy0iFNovT; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ts.fujitsu.com; i=josef.moellers@ts.fujitsu.com; q=dns/txt; s=s1536b; t=1243522096; x=1275058096; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Josef=20Moellers=20|Subject:=20Failure=20to=20get=20past=20a=20PCI=20bridg e|Date:=20Thu,=2028=20May=202009=2016:24:00=20+0200 |Message-ID:=20<4A1E9E80.2070103@ts.fujitsu.com>|To:=20fr eebsd-questions@freebsd.org|MIME-Version:=201.0 |Content-Transfer-Encoding:=208bit; bh=cTBZU4hHz+9pRIk2u4YeJZEFObgMu3X+WpEwLdGaoXk=; b=KfbK+6GyyZ5HeYwUY9dL9G8h/bd+aJFAhvA6LLkNHRBFHYXe3nyCeOzW Gb48A+npgIjb2+52Nt7Y30J4ByYXZgm65eWC8heYvQJO2uTn1iqop4Ji6 hq5am5O3kKWu8yWbnV8Ip093P28CLYR++6hpnA060E6jjXeUUDLNbQBvW mgyo0adKgpTrjHOZuGn52KJDfgF7maUO76ynimkwmTbxm6CLgmVeVpyb/ O3K98SKEfUiThb2egG+vjlYsAuktm; X-SBRSScore: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,264,1241388000"; d="scan'208";a="65753506" Received: from abgdgate30u.abg.fsc.net ([172.25.138.66]) by dgate20u.abg.fsc.net with ESMTP; 28 May 2009 16:18:35 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,264,1241388000"; d="scan'208";a="53121940" Received: from unknown (HELO [172.25.253.16]) ([172.25.253.16]) by abgdgate30u.abg.fsc.net with ESMTP; 28 May 2009 16:23:57 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1E9E80.2070103@ts.fujitsu.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:00 +0200 From: Josef Moellers Organization: Fujitsu Technology Solutions User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Failure to get past a PCI bridge X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:53:40 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to install 7.2-RELEASE on a pretty new system (a Fujitsu RX300S5). The first obstacle was the fact that while the system has an AT-Keyboard-Controller, it ist not used (keyboard and mouse are connected via USB) and I have found that I can get past that by specifying set hint.atkbd.0.disabled=1 set hint.atkbdc.0.disabled=1 The install kernel then boots properly and reaches the "Country Selection". At that point, no keyboard input is accepted. An optical mouse is off, so I assume the keyboard to be off, too. I have hooked up a serial connection to log the kernel's output (some 1000+ lines): set boot_serial=1 set boot_verbose=1 set boot_multicons=1 set console="comconsole vidconsole" The following lines make me wonder if the kernel fails to get past PCI bridges and this can't reach the UHCI controllers: pcib0: on acpi0 pcib0: could not get PCI interrupt routing table for \_SB_.CPU0 - AE_NOT_FOUND : pcib1: on acpi0 pcib1: could not get PCI interrupt routing table for \_SB_.CPU1 - AE_NOT_FOUND : pcib2: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pcib2: couldn't find _ADR pcib2: trying bus number 2 pci2: on pcib2 pci2: domain=0, physical bus=2 I talked to the guy who does the BIOS for the machine and he says that it makes no sense for the kernel to try and find the _PRT for \_SB_.CPU0 or \_SB_.CPU1! Can anyone help? I haven't been using FreeBSD since 4.2 and haven't dug through deep kernel functions for quite some time. Josef -- These are my personal views and not those of Fujitsu Technology Solutions! Josef Möllers (Pinguinpfleger bei FTS) If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize (T. Pratchett) Company Details: http://de.ts.fujitsu.com/imprint.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 14:59:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE211065674 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:59:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C165C8FC23 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:59:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4SEvaxX058310; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:57:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n4SEvZDl058309; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:57:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:57:35 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090528145735.GB58155@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> <20090527172924.GA10301@RawFedDogs.net> <878wki7zqm.fsf@kobe.laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:59:34 -0000 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, > >unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually > >just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a > >mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. > > > >Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of > > Exactly. but it for sure wasn't what original "sponsoring offer wanted". > He wanted banner/logo advert on mine webpage. > > >a) We generally accept all donations, regardless of how small they are. > > Even donations of a single RAM chip for nearly obsolete platforms are > > welcome and we try to find someone who will make good use of it. > > But you don't put advert for this. As you said - there is separate webpage > for listing sponsors, and that's excellent. > > >b) The donations team acts as a gateway for incoming stuff, and they have > > enough experience to discern genuine offers for a donation from spammy > > "please link to my personal web site and I will make you rich" scamming > > schemes. > > So what's wrong with my answer for such spammy offer? I think what most persons are reacting to are two things. 1: Many (note all) of your posts in response to questions carry what we might call a snippy, kind of put down attitude toward the questioner. Even when you are quite correct in information and criticism, it is not received well if you also say something that appears to ridicule the OP and/or other posters. This is where I wonder if it is a language issue. Do you realize that you are jamming people in the manner of your posts? Take care of people's sensitivities when you post. When in doubt about how something might be received, then don't put in those words - just stick to the plain and dull technical information. 2: Although I have seen a number of valuable responses posted under your address (eg presumably helpfully posted by you), sometimes you seem to jump in to a question or thread when you really do not know the answer or really do not have anything to add. This makes the forum look foolish and it also tends to discourage those who have the answer or can make some meaningful contribution from getting in to the foray. They do not have the time or inclination to get in to a flame war. We all have read a question wrong or misunderstood it and made a midguided response. I certainly have gritted my teeth when reading some responses I made as they came back from the list server. But you seem to have a penchant for making posts that have a decided appearance of being just for the sake of saying something rather than making a positive contribution to the topic of the OP. So, while it is true that you have the right and freedom to post on this unmoderated list, the adult thing to do is to take responsibility for yourself, to think about the significance and quality of your post before sending it off. Ask the question, 'does it improve the situation or will it just annoy people and contribute nothing of technical value'. Then make the choice in a manner that will improve the quality of the exchange. Remember that we all screw up, some of us more often than most, but none of us need our noses rubbed in it or to be jeered at. Thank you, ////jerry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 15:00:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B99710656D3 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939988FC18 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:00:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n4SF0g3R060276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 May 2009 16:00:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4A1EA70F.7040909@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:00:31 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-GB; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20081204 Thunderbird/3.0b1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Strauser References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> In-Reply-To: <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:00:37 -0000 On 28/5/09 15:04, Kirk Strauser wrote: > On Thursday 28 May 2009 08:53:23 am Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >> depends, between pentium I and core2 quad. >> >> what's a difference? >> > > Well, I can transfer 25MB/s between hosts on the LAN without my CPU ever > breaking 10% CPU usage. I'm of the opinion that most people don't need to > optimize for CPU in such cases when the security payoffs are so great. > There is also the option of the HPN patches (http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ included as options in the openssh-portable port) which allows a none cypher so you have the security of the encrypted key authentication but no encryption overhead for transferring files. However the OP doesnt seem to want to transfer files over it so the encryption overhead will be pretty minimal anyway. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 15:17:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1C8106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:17:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCC98FC21 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:17:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B5E34D84; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:17:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:17:38 +0200 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090528151738.GC1259@phenom.cordula.ws> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: superpages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:17:43 -0000 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 02:50:16PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > maybe not new news but i just found this: > > http://www.h-online.com/open/FreeBSD-7-2-released-now-with-Superpages--/news/113204 > > It says about pages 4KB and 4MB and that it's done > automatically. > > Two questions: > > 1) is it on all architectures including amd64? As amd64 supports 4KB, 2MB > and 1GB pages it sounds inconsistent with the above. > > 2) how does this "automatic" selection work. By just having program with > large continous data space (like squid proxy) will it put that data on 2MB > pages. The following excerpt from: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/relnotes-detailed.html may be helpful: [amd64, i386] The FreeBSD virtual memory subsystem now supports fully transparent use of superpages for application memory; application memory pages are dynamically promoted to or demoted from superpages without any modification to application code. This change offers the benefit of large page sizes such as improved virtual memory efficiency and reduced TLB (translation lookaside buffer) misses without downsides like application changes and virtual memory inflexibility. This is disabled by default and can be enabled by setting a loader tunable vm.pmap.pg_ps_enabled to 1. > if it's true i would be enough reason to upgrade to 7.2 on 2 computers. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 15:30:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6295D106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=3922c325c=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DED8FC0C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:30:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=3922c325c=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,265,1241413200"; d="scan'208";a="12642736" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 28 May 2009 10:30:00 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 412B94EF4A; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:30:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:30:00 +0000 From: Paul Schmehl To: Manish Jain , FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <81CA7451D4C324A373C6451B@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <4A1E8824.1020604@gmail.com> References: <4A1E8824.1020604@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Roland Smith Subject: Re: Need sed to do something which sounds simple X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:30:01 -0000 --On Thursday, May 28, 2009 07:48:36 -0500 Manish Jain wrote: > > > Hi, > > I need sed to do something which sounds simple, but I can't figure out > the right command. All I need to do is insert a blank after a '}' at the > end of a line if the next line begins immediately afterwards (i.e. with > no blank line between). > > //abc.cpp : > int myclass::fx(int * arg) > { > if(! (isValid())) > { > return -1; > } > return ptr->fx(arg); > } > > //what-i-want.cpp : > int myclass::fx(int * arg) > { > if(! (isValid())) > { > return -1; > } > > return ptr->fx(arg); > } > > The commands I have tried are : > > i) > sed -e 's/\(}$\)\n\(^[[:space:]]*[[:alpha:]]\+\)/\1\n\n\2/' \ > what-i-want.cpp > > ii) > sed -e 's/\(}$\)\(^[[:space:]]*[[:alpha:]]\+\)/\1\n\2/' \ > what-i-want.cpp > > but obviously neither works, which is why posting this message. > > Can anybody please tell me what the correct command would be like ? > Seems like this would work to add a space only to lines where the next line only has a new line : sed ' /\}$/ { N /}$\n\n/ { s/\}$\n/\} $\n/} } ' file If the possibility exists that the new line might have spaces as well, you could do this: sed ' /\}$/ { N /}$\n\n/ { s/\}$\n[ ]?/\} $\n/} } ' Note: I haven't tested this, so it may require some modification. Read this page on dealing with multiple lines in sed to gain further understanding - http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* Check the headers before clicking on Reply. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 16:03:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70D1106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648028FC13 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A4216C0213; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:03:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SG3YZk005168; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:03:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:03:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090528180334.935932be.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:03:44 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:09:57 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > The problem is that most buyers are more happy when they get "added value" > "for free" like tons of CD's Even if they never use it. > Manufacturers do what market required, no matter how dumb it is. Those who > didn't already failed. "The worst solution always prevails" and "People want crap, they get crap" seem to have established as laws of the market. > As windows user may get scared hearing the word "unix", [...] No no, UNIX doesn't exist, and it's outdated anyway, just like mainframes. :-) > actually i never used things like cups, turboprint, whatever. Me neither, just apsfilter. > i just run lpr to print postscript file, or print directly from programs > through lpr I'm happy to keep on doing so now, too. :-) > There are lot of compliant second-hand printers for <100$. I got two HP Laserjet 4000 duplex printers some years ago, for 100 Euro (both together), including so much toner that they're still working - and I'm printing a lot. > For example i have HP LaserJet 4, which printed 85000 pages when i bought > it, and i printed over 15000. My Laserjet 4000, my first own laser printer, has already stopped couinting pages, it shows 1500 pages or so and doesn't count any further. I've treated it very unkindly for more than 12 years now - and it keeps on working. > And it works flawlessy, so i don't have new printer every year. That's intended by the marked (because users intend so). Buying new printers all day long is normal, so you always have a "top of the line" printer. :-) > exactly. [CUPS] not needed for printing. At least for the many printers that don't conform to standards, if makes printing a bit easier. Nice administration through web interface, lots of autodetect... users like this. :-) (On the other hand, it's problematic to add a parallel printer with CUPS that isn't attached to the system - bad idea in my opinion, just because the printer isn't available AT THE MOMENT should not disable me to select it.) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 16:12:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5014A1065670 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AB48FC39 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13E616C029F; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:12:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SGCRiK005472; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:12:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:12:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-Id: <20090528181227.83be7845.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905281041.n4SAfTHw046546@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chris Rees Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:12:35 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:15:22 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > Also, I think it's a bad idea to leave money lying round like that. > That's why we have banks. More layers. No. We have benks because they make it easier to steal people's money more silently, so they notice when it's too late. Special offer from Lehmann brothers. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 16:16:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBCA106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F388FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so5628207bwz.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:16:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EmFCn3kj0YA5o22gjQlU2+kaUmqgsVcQPlYEKFmcr8I=; b=T2DBslPO/HTWt7Ut0+AdAe0yYa4Px5awzwtluel8fPN5/FKQkJjM8Y++Jku9kwy31Q a0gGyLRonz22DqmbgTBfUNezG5N1OODxbF3xNjvEMErHN92OsvgtjCHDvmEl0h8j/Oyt T5Q+QSoX+n+5JK2EupCY8pXF4pZ3dfAR38+bE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iuilCpEnCV+pr6tnb70pckBmjFl4jTBhRxr6lTirxkO4z0cca/aWQRuwVzUddaxp33 wV0VrBiaNX7cduST0b266m124PcZiMPdjBt+coJeQKOnwWaZSz2X0ewEqfJu6JyW3QHl h7OGbtHCjsk29pWpP6pzreWWbI2pg0BhnzyMo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.54.143 with SMTP id q15mr1321504bkg.148.1243527381278; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:16:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1E7E21.4060308@gmail.com> References: <4A1809A1.3050507@gmail.com> <3a142e750905280206i7decd799tba9a274bae132294@mail.gmail.com> <3a142e750905280400m5770029by687ff9526b045dab@mail.gmail.com> <4A1E7E21.4060308@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:16:20 +0200 Message-ID: <3a142e750905280916n1de16ee3l472303ac5e7c70c3@mail.gmail.com> From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: OpenOffice.org 3.1 (i386) packages now available X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:16:23 -0000 On 5/28/09, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Paul B. Mahol wrote: >>> >>> Are extensions working for you? >>> >> >> After little exploration this is already known problem: ports/129308 >> >> > > > Haven't tried extensions (rarely use any) but thanks for letting us know. > Was this working on 3.01? Never tried(..) But it is know problem on >=7.0 and there is at least two PR related to such issue. ports/127946 appears to have working solution. -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 16:21:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360A61065677 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91898FC17 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:21:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C384416C028C; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SGKx45005751; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:20:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:20:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090528182059.8e45b558.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:21:07 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:42:31 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > While FBSD has many fine uses, primarily in the server department, it > > is solely lacking as a full service desktop replacement for me. I > > As usual it depends on needs - for me it provides all i need for operating > system. But it's really off-topic I may add that I'm using FreeBSD exclusively (!) on my desktop since version 4.0 without any problems. I just don't describe the use "desktop" with "runs 'Flash' flawlessly". As Wojciech siad, it completely depends on what you are going to do with your system. The FreeBSD OS is just the basis for this, not the entire means. > > By the way, using a headless Win PC as a print server takes up virtually > > no space, its power consumption is inconsequential, and I am not even > > anyway buing standard-compliant printer seems like simpler and cheaper > solution for me. It's worth mentioning that you need to buy along with the printer: the PC and the license for "Windows". I'm not sure what this costs altogether, but maybe it justifies buying an office-class printer that is fully standard-compliant and will serve you more years than a non-printer would. > Even if it would be slightly more expensive, i would prefer it, to keep > things simple. Doesn't even need to be more expensive. It just depends on how much time (and here we are again) you spend on researching and evaluating which product is the best for your particular needs. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 16:35:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90474106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:35:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4888FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:35:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366DF16C0235; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:31:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SGVfHu006112; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:31:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:31:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:35:06 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:09:41 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Actually, you are a troll. Actually, I allow myself to tell you that this is untrue. :-) He's right. FreeBSD is an advanced operating system that provides basic means to drivers and applications (and to do some other things). So it enables application programmers to write their programs for this platform. If they refuse to, why blame the system? As it has truthfully been mentioned, it would be possible for Adobe to release a native version of "Flash" for FreeBSD, even if they don't put their sources into BSDL. But they don't want to. (It's their right to do so, of course.) > Now that is a truly stupid statement. The usefulness of any OS or > applications is directly proportionate to the end users intended > purpose. No. The end user doesn't use the operating system, he uses his application programs (which, of course, depend on the operating system in many ways). That's how the usefulness of an application can be judged. The usefulness of an operating system is to be considered in terms of how good it provides ressources, documentation, inter- faces, standards, compatibility maybe. And in this case FreeBSD is excellent. > The bottom line is that using a Win PC box for a print server saves me > countless hours of frustration. Then it's completely fine for you, no disagreement. The question is - if you're interested in it: What have you learned? How does it help you in more difficult situations where you are presented to a specific setting and have to work with "means on board" (Bordmittel)? > I know that I can purchase virtually > any printer on the market today and have it up and running on the > Windows box in a few minutes. Until a new printer doesn't support your "Windows" version anymore, or your new !Windows" version doesn't support your printer anymore. > Can you say the same thing about a FBSD > box? Not even close. This is intended to be that way. The printer manufactureres and the majority of their customers decided it. > The idea behind any venture, be it personal or > business, is to find the cheapest and most efficient solution for a > given problem. I have found one that works just fine for me. Then again, it's okay for you, even if I don't consider it cheap (exta PC purchase, PC running, license) or most efficient (exta PC needed). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 16:35:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0B4106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:35:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AD48FC17 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:35:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEAD16C1189; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:33:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SGXU8X006187; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:33:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:33:29 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Peter Steele" Message-Id: <20090528183329.dc850cfb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:35:09 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 06:12:25 -0700, "Peter Steele" wrote: > >good but seems quite overcomplex expecially this pkg_add. > > > >why just not to compress whole filesystem(s) by tar+gzip? > > ? > > I think we must be talking about something different. In any event, what > we have works quite well and I'm not about to change the process at this > point... I think he's refering to dumping the partitions of an already installed "master system" into files, and then restoring them into the partitions of the "other systems" as intended. This would surely be easier than to pkg_add the software needed on the "other systems"... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 16:38:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3891065674 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979C38FC28 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D4C16C00B9; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:38:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SGc1Sq006336; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:38:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:38:01 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Kirk Strauser Message-Id: <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:38:09 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:04:43 -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > Well, I can transfer 25MB/s between hosts on the LAN without my CPU ever > breaking 10% CPU usage. I'm of the opinion that most people don't need to > optimize for CPU in such cases when the security payoffs are so great. As Wojciech pointed out correctly before, security is only as good as the weakest point. Of course you can add security by using SSH, and it's definitely indicated when doing things via the Internet. As long as you are inside your own net, covered from the Internet, with only trustworthy machines inside it, you could even use telnet. Connecting systems by a security tunnel that already adds means of cryptography, and you consider this tunnel to be secure enough, the above situation applies. But you can always SSH inside a security tunnel, if you want. It just increases security. "The more the better." :-) At the point where this "the more" generates so much overhead that things are lagging, stalling or just work much too slow, or slower than they should, you can re-thing the situation. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 16:41:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D67710656DE for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E129B8FC1D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:41:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE1216C0131; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:41:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SGfpb0006479; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:41:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:41:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Josef Moellers Message-Id: <20090528184150.424feb6e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4A1E9E80.2070103@ts.fujitsu.com> References: <4A1E9E80.2070103@ts.fujitsu.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Failure to get past a PCI bridge X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:41:56 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:00 +0200, Josef Moellers wrote: > The install kernel then boots properly and reaches the "Country Selection". > At that point, no keyboard input is accepted. An optical mouse is off, > so I assume the keyboard to be off, too. Not neccessarily. Check the blinkenlights with caps lock, num lock and scroll lock (if present). If optical mouse doesn't have any light, it's nearly obvious that it doesn't get power from the USB port. This doesn't need to imply that the keyboard is off, too. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 17:04:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564E81065673 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:04:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E988FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so940151fxm.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2Kk3rzVzqPM5SGEGZB1GwU06jyQZByJkPFQq8xeIAso=; b=YOMgwHJxW4YAzcRJLw6ApX0FSUtBoI6qwFJ3jaLubrNqVzbWZst0TcleOqb3cwJ7bI qi7lF2selgP15L6Oe8hAw/Y+XwdJv7ZQRFfATu5ucKhn74/DZQNZ8trJG2yNIIiyN8Wi GyrlTCtejp+fjvkNvKL3iwGT44705r++3KQ0k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MNPr1asQrueQIIEHQG2Jc+TcMq9TashzsJ5cMioONZYKfBt6Si4A6AK39Nld4/6w4a 4zUgFXVTMv0lqE3GkBwxgXKT7T9XGyJ3MTDARVrzFjzxStmQh3MWK6MNg6pQITwTTPa8 DHy1PcHMhSF8uuqRJdUyDuQ8f0phQkFBBlnRo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.102 with SMTP id f38mr1384095bkk.62.1243530283555; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:04:23 +0100 Message-ID: To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:04:45 -0000 2009/5/28 Polytropon : > On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:04:43 -0500, Kirk Strauser wro= te: >> Well, I can transfer 25MB/s between hosts on the LAN without my CPU ever >> breaking 10% CPU usage. =A0I'm of the opinion that most people don't nee= d to >> optimize for CPU in such cases when the security payoffs are so great. > > As Wojciech pointed out correctly before, security is only as > good as the weakest point. Of course you can add security by > using SSH, and it's definitely indicated when doing things via > the Internet. As long as you are inside your own net, covered > from the Internet, with only trustworthy machines inside it, > you could even use telnet. > > Connecting systems by a security tunnel that already adds means > of cryptography, and you consider this tunnel to be secure > enough, the above situation applies. But you can always SSH > inside a security tunnel, if you want. It just increases > security. "The more the better." :-) At the point where this > "the more" generates so much overhead that things are lagging, > stalling or just work much too slow, or slower than they > should, you can re-thing the situation. > > > > -- > Polytropon > >From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... I know I sound like Theo, but security and reliability are ALWAYS more important than overhead or speed. Always. Since the OP asked for How could I nicely and securely connect from the script on the web server to the file server, in order to edit the quota? It should be nice and secure and without password. He even said 'secure' twice. There is a web server involved, meaning possibility of compromise (we all know how secure web servers tend to be), and then one has access to network traffic for sniffing. Also, if this is for quotas, then surely the people accessing the server via *NFS* are inside the network? Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 17:09:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB38106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277DA8FC1D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3ADA34E66; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:09 +0200 From: cpghost To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:09:13 -0000 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 06:31:41PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > As it has truthfully been mentioned, it would be possible for > Adobe to release a native version of "Flash" for FreeBSD, even > if they don't put their sources into BSDL. But they don't want > to. (It's their right to do so, of course.) More likely, they simply decided that supporting our OS was not worth it, because we don't have the user base of Win32 or Linux. > > Can you say the same thing about a FBSD > > box? Not even close. > > This is intended to be that way. The printer manufactureres and > the majority of their customers decided it. Basically put: you get what you pay for. Classic (non-win) printers do have circuitry on board to process PCL or PostScript, whereas el-cheapo win-printers come without this circuitry, and delegate pagesetting to a software driver. Same for modems vs. win-modems. Of course, all this is well-known for a long time now. But what's worrying, is that economics of scale make it increasingly difficult to locate classic printers (and modems). Fortunatly, they are still being made here and there, but for how long? What will we do a few years down the road in an environment where win-${device}s are ubiquitous? Ultimately, we'll need a full-featured windowsolator a la NDISwrapper et al., so that we can use the Windows-only drivers natively on FreeBSD/{i386,amd64}. At least x86-based systems will then work, although ARM and other platforms would still be left out in the cold. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 17:15:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DDC1065673 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:15:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon.passki@hursk.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5233A8FC1B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:15:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon.passki@hursk.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2976167yxb.13 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:15:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.123.1 with SMTP id a1mr3133512ybn.38.1243529746664; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:55:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jon Passki To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: MAC_PORTACL Not Allowing Non-Super User Access to Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:15:52 -0000 Hello, Full documentation here: http://blog.cykyc.org/2009/05/macportacl-and-no-love.html Gist of it is that I enabled MAC_PORTACL and MAC, rebuilt the kernel and installed it for testing.=A0 I was not able to get a non-super user to open up a privileged port, though. What am I doing wrong? [2136] ~> sysctl -a security.mac security.mac.max_slots: 4 security.mac.version: 3 security.mac.mmap_revocation_via_cow: 0 security.mac.mmap_revocation: 1 security.mac.portacl.rules: security.mac.portacl.port_high: 1023 security.mac.portacl.autoport_exempt: 1 security.mac.portacl.suser_exempt: 1 security.mac.portacl.enabled: 1 [2136] ~> id uid=3D1001(foo) gid=3D0(wheel) groups=3D0(wheel) [2136] ~> sudo sysctl security.mac.portacl.rules=3Duid:1001:tcp:80 Password: security.mac.portacl.rules: -> uid:1001:tcp:80 [2136] ~> nc -l 80 nc: Permission denied TIA, Jon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 17:24:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5A1106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from troy@i2bnetworks.com) Received: from i2bnetworks.com (odyssey.prod.i2bnetworks.com [66.181.0.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FB18FC0A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from troy@i2bnetworks.com) Received: from [10.181.6.201] (ip-66-181-6-201.cust.i2bnetworks.com [66.181.6.201]) by i2bnetworks.com (8.14.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id n4SHOF24020653; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:24:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@i2bnetworks.com) Message-Id: From: Troy Beisigl To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:24:15 -0700 References: <8940FAF1-E405-4511-B16A-DD842FE460B7@i2bnetworks.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RTL8111-GR driver for FreeBSD6.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:24:17 -0000 Yep. The 6.4 has the same thing. It looks like it did work. We had the Intel MB that had an Intel NIC and it was not supported on 6.4. I had ordered up the same MB with the Realtek NIC and just got it this morning. Seems to support it fine. Thanks for the posts. Troy Beisigl On May 28, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> says it support RTL8111 >>> but i have FreeBSD 7.1 >> >> I have a 6.4 machine (about to be retired). On that machine, man 4 >> re says it supports the RTL8111S, but does not mention the >> RTL8111GR. My guess is that > > in 7.1 it too says only about "S", i assumed that S and GR are only > different chip revisions/different functionality, maybe one have > builtin PHY other external etc. etc. but it's software compatible. > > That's usual naming scheme of chips, but of course there may be > exceptions. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 17:29:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50847106568A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E6418FC23 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:29:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: (qmail 4400 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 17:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.90) with ESMTP; 28 May 2009 17:29:07 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:29:06 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Is this a gmirror bug? Thread-Index: AcnfsnvrkOM99DlrQde70JIejoVwygABwijw References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu><20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528183329.dc850cfb.freebsd@edvax.de> From: "Peter Steele" To: "Polytropon" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:29:09 -0000 >I think he's refering to dumping the partitions of an already >installed "master system" into files, and then restoring them >into the partitions of the "other systems" as intended. This >would surely be easier than to pkg_add the software needed on >the "other systems"... We do follow that general mechanism, as far as cloning an existing system is concerned. You still have to create the original system though, and that's what I was referring to... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 17:33:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA521065670 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:33:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115878FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:33:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so2104981ewy.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xeNGjiiilvaKs844BSMQHrvOvPg0rc0pUJrPkaiSAi4=; b=ixxZomXA0RPayvwq9jaD4mcSuzz/Q74pf+e3wRzLSEt8Vd2XfdUWpthlFIu0y+pwlZ yBnBEw+LoEbHbvM75/eMPpcSlfVmmBnyyT35sHT4lz19uhr/XQYjTGEtTIuQ8lp7VPF7 iR+mJbduQGtzpOBAfG0GMZyvAOaW99K+eWnUs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xFCBZLfawdCfUghWDcnryEMT0MfEKJhh6NdzMJ6zpyfN/YKnhuSesYMaqQFlw0G0Bz lokuI6FpXcol0i7Ai0DwifkKB+OLMT7y/v/BXuNFBJLFUC4hAMWul003k6j7EVdg3vnX Tpu1F5zoQRsKGLVr+mKqx0bvefheRelG8GYZw= Received: by 10.210.79.9 with SMTP id c9mr1310437ebb.61.1243531989700; Thu, 28 May 2009 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm486269eyz.41.2009.05.28.10.33.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 May 2009 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:33:06 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528183306.061afc07@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090528151738.GC1259@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090528151738.GC1259@phenom.cordula.ws> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: superpages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:33:11 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 17:17:38 +0200 cpghost wrote: > The following excerpt from: > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/relnotes-detailed.html > may be helpful: > > [amd64, i386] The FreeBSD virtual memory subsystem now supports > fully transparent use of superpages for application memory; > application memory pages are dynamically promoted to or demoted from > superpages without any modification to application code. This change > offers the benefit of large page sizes such as improved virtual > memory efficiency and reduced TLB (translation lookaside buffer) > misses without downsides like application changes and virtual memory > inflexibility. Just out of idle curiosity, how does it work at the page queue level. Most of the references to superpages are in pmap.c and vm_reserv.c. I don't see any special handling in the pageout daemon where the inactive and active queues are handled. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 17:41:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A8A1065674 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3235A8FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3537716C0DAA; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:37:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SHbJUT008425; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:37:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:37:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cpghost Message-Id: <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:41:01 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:09 +0200, cpghost wrote: > Basically put: you get what you pay for. That was true in the past, but today, it's much more complicated than just regularing an article's quality over the price. You can - without any problems - get crap for (too) much money. You pay for a brand name, or a standard's name, but you get crap. I've seen a good example recently: A DVD recorder built (or at least sold) by a company name most users are familiar with, which quitted working after 1 year of regular use, and a similar recorder by a manufacturer that's not so widely known, which still works today. The known one was nearly 100 Euro more expensive than the unknown one. > Classic (non-win) printers do > have circuitry on board to process PCL or PostScript, whereas > el-cheapo win-printers come without this circuitry, and delegate > pagesetting to a software driver. Exactly. Even el-anachronismo dotmatrix printers could turn simple text, transmitted to the parallel port, into printed form. Today's el-stupido printers can't. Can't print easily, but pretend to be more than they are (in terms of overall quality, to which I add support for standards or at least existance of a proper BSD driver): The include a printer, a scanner, a fax machine and who knows what else... > Same for modems vs. win-modems. Exacltly. Those leave more to do for the computer that controls it, and generates much more work for the processor, while the easier variant would just be to transfer the data to the device and let it print, even if it's "just" PCL. > Of course, all this is well-known for a long time now. But what's > worrying, is that economics of scale make it increasingly difficult to > locate classic printers (and modems). Yes. In most cases, you stick to 2nd hand office-class equipment. It's bigger, may make more noise, but the history teaches that it makes you more happy. :-) > Fortunatly, they are still being > made here and there, but for how long? Customers do control this. A nice example are the IBM model M keyboards. There are manufacturers that provide the quality and the layout (without advertising keys) of these keyboards. (I'm glad to own some of the original IBM ones, they will live longer than I will.) > What will we do a few years > down the road in an environment where win-${device}s are ubiquitous? Scenario A is to keep using used older equipment and to keep it running by adequate means. Scenario B is to use means of emulation and virtualization. But more likely, this won't happen. History has told, future will tell. > Ultimately, we'll need a full-featured windowsolator a la NDISwrapper > et al., so that we can use the Windows-only drivers natively on > FreeBSD/{i386,amd64}. That would conform to scenario B, but I'm sure we won't have to think about it very much, because "Windows" is not the world. :-) > At least x86-based systems will then work, > although ARM and other platforms would still be left out in the cold. Does "Windows" run on ARM? I'm sure UNIX does. With the upcoming interest in ARM-based Netbooks 'n stuff I think it will be less and less important. Today, Linux is more interesting to industry and to enterprises than "Windows" is. I do see this in Germany: "Windows" is considered more and more to be old-fashioned (not very much in fact, but slightly increasing). I hope this trend continues, so printer manufacturers (and those that built other stuff used together with computers) will change their attitude towards interoperability and standards. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 17:41:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FC61065672 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C02A8FC25 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489AC16C146A; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SHeW4r008548; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:32 +0200 From: Polytropon To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-Id: <20090528194032.e31ec225.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chris Rees Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:41:08 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:04:23 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > [The OP] even said 'secure' twice. There is a web server involved, meaning > possibility of compromise (we all know how secure web servers tend to > be), and then one has access to network traffic for sniffing. Also, if > this is for quotas, then surely the people accessing the server via > *NFS* are inside the network? Yes, I agree to that, but it doesn't stand in any contradiction to what I said, or what Wojciech said. So for the OP, security is needed. As it has been mentioned, using encryption tunnels is one (valid) means to do this, SSH is another, and both of them can even be combined. If the environment is that insecure that it doesn't allow rsh / rlogin, then DO NOT USE IT. But if it is, why not? At least, the OP's description involving web servers doesn't justify using "just" rsh / rlogin, and not telnet, of course. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 17:51:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0329D106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp184.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp184.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1DF8FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay28.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay28.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 062B11B4027 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay28.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id DD3901B4004 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:51:45 -0400 From: Tom Worster To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: character sets for file names on ufs? Thread-Index: AcnfvPckpgZxF6TTD0ejGkqw/eWZrw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: character sets for file names on ufs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:51:50 -0000 what character set/encoding is used for file names in freebsd when i have a default ufs fs? tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 18:53:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322DC1065728 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-158.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-158.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 059518FC12 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 31095 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2009 18:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 18:53:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=IsWpLw6I4dlKlzpR/c1X0CR0HK9fN8zH2ue+2LYXghpVSucY3BTej7uK59kFj0OCAJ3QrtUEbVipJJlvMD0j2OPPDD9NDAy0qKNKOQXis+o11RyB4WzH8IZsEV3YDaWX; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9kjF-0005aI-Ar for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:53:25 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 12:48:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:48:20 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528184820.GB40206@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090527180056.41bd2800@fabiankeil.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DBIVS5p969aUjpLe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090527180056.41bd2800@fabiankeil.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:53:31 -0000 --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Fabian Keil wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > > > 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website > > > > > current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it works = in=20 > > every browser. >=20 > Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dwww/91539 My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are FreeBSD systems, ironically). --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Paul Graham: "SUVs are gross because they're the solution to a gross problem. (How to make minivans look more masculine.)" --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe3HQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXBHgCgiqEJbtDjfQw6anLZuDTZRJqC 8D4AoPqSgHKSyYMq0HpggWHSOVwYInQO =nYmz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 18:55:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFA91065692 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com [69.89.20.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 031248FC2F for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 7167 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2009 18:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 18:55:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=gAzP2ilABfwjpkEF+GKQHU3FeJxSGdOPPBTrHGkOjcCPim64WLxmLFTYcSHFE0Vs9JY3rsBmQjeyCSK/1Z0gpNPc4LRXiZ9Np+4CkG6abGGqA30AcSfhIEnbuosCRPJ0; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9klN-0007DU-Di for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:55:37 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 12:50:32 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:50:32 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20090528185032.GC40206@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <0e9816ca5425550de4e82aeb60e36751.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7gGkHNMELEOhSGF6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:55:39 -0000 --7gGkHNMELEOhSGF6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:44:29PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/5/27 Wojciech Puchar : > >> > >> It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT > >> an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes > >> an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation. > >> > >> You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly > >> stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were > >> wrong and apologise. > >> > > just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU > > DECIDED SO. >=20 > Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then? Maybe he's trolling. Look how successful he was at instigating a flame war. . . . --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Bill McKibben: "The laws of Congress and the laws of physics have grown increasingly divergent, and the laws of physics are not likely to yield." --7gGkHNMELEOhSGF6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe3PgACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX9sACfWYgsTPogu/OfxcZS1/OUCSAD z2cAn1KXESGa7y2Ivm3111P5RQ7xvFfQ =Wqe8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7gGkHNMELEOhSGF6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 18:56:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A9210656C4 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9438FC28 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SIu0pI061819; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:56:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SItxqt061816; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:56:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:55:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:56:10 -0000 > > Well, I can transfer 25MB/s between hosts on the LAN without my CPU ever > breaking 10% CPU usage. probably true, i never checked actually. i just don't understand such reasoning that you have to waste (even small) CPU power without sense. For example local private LAN or already-encrypted VPN network - which is common case in my case. Actually i don't use ssh at all except rare cases when i help someone else. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:01:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BC51065678 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B868FC13 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n4SJ1DUO024461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:01:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJ1DPl047723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:01:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4SJ1C6a047722; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:01:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:01:12 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Tom Worster Message-ID: <20090528190111.GA90077@dan.emsphone.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.1, clamav-milter version 0.94.1 on email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Thu, 28 May 2009 14:01:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: character sets for file names on ufs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:01:16 -0000 In the last episode (May 28), Tom Worster said: > what character set/encoding is used for file names in freebsd when i have > a default ufs fs? Whatever you want; ufs filenames have no assumed character set. zfs defaults to the same rules, but can enforce only valid utf8 filenames if the "utf8only" property is set. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:01:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CF71065679 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com [69.89.20.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F3A88FC20 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 22256 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2009 19:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 19:01:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=V3uleffF8E0E5roePyRyAClWgS2NqpSXWQw3npHpkyMz8yXMVLsrrCOKg1nt3eWRNsuyjGg9pMDajVCYAkyjrQawPryhXAj16nvjM4mz4cACJ502PsoqygXsSYArl4HE; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9kqw-0003d9-87 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:01:22 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 12:56:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:56:17 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528185617.GD40206@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <4A1D9B45.4050302@boosten.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bjuZg6miEcdLYP6q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A1D9B45.4050302@boosten.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:01:23 -0000 --bjuZg6miEcdLYP6q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it > > because of forum - still read and posts here. >=20 > None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. > Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is > irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and > it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on > this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciat= ed. Actually, that's technically your estimation -- not your opinion. It may be correct or incorrect (and if it's incorrect, then I'm incorrect too, because I have come to the same conclusion), but the fact it's not a settled matter doesn't mean it's opinion. The term opinion has a very specific meaning, and this isn't it. Saying *you* don't appreciate it would be a matter of opinion. Saying you think most people don't appreciate it would be an estimation of the popularity of a given opinion -- but not an opinion itself. I don't mean to "bust your balls" on this, so to speak. I just want to offer my thoughts on the matter of what does and does not constitute opinion so that people who disdain what others observe but cannot necessarily prove will not find it as easy to dismiss things as mere "opinion". --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Anonymous: "Why do we never have time to do it right, but always have time to do it over?" --bjuZg6miEcdLYP6q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe3lEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWGqACgkldYTU5AVGhH/k2+O46khtwX 3oEAoKhaCNdCvcB8LTw+j2Xlg2tIil2t =f9Q3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bjuZg6miEcdLYP6q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:02:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC40106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon.passki@hursk.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com (mail-gx0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA6D8FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon.passki@hursk.com) Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so148358gxk.19 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:02:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.123.1 with SMTP id a1mr3354805ybn.38.1243537376861; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:02:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jon Passki To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: MAC_PORTACL Not Allowing Non-Super User Access to Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:03:00 -0000 Nevermind, forgot to set the following: net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedlow: 0 net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh: 0 With these set, portacl is working as expected. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Jon Passki wrote: > Hello, > > Full documentation here: > http://blog.cykyc.org/2009/05/macportacl-and-no-love.html > > Gist of it is that I enabled MAC_PORTACL and MAC, rebuilt the kernel > and installed it for testing.=A0 I was not able to get a non-super user > to open up a privileged port, though. > > What am I doing wrong? > > [2136] ~> sysctl -a security.mac > security.mac.max_slots: 4 > security.mac.version: 3 > security.mac.mmap_revocation_via_cow: 0 > security.mac.mmap_revocation: 1 > security.mac.portacl.rules: > security.mac.portacl.port_high: 1023 > security.mac.portacl.autoport_exempt: 1 > security.mac.portacl.suser_exempt: 1 > security.mac.portacl.enabled: 1 > [2136] ~> id > uid=3D1001(foo) gid=3D0(wheel) groups=3D0(wheel) > [2136] ~> sudo sysctl security.mac.portacl.rules=3Duid:1001:tcp:80 > Password: > security.mac.portacl.rules: =A0-> uid:1001:tcp:80 > [2136] ~> nc -l 80 > nc: Permission denied > > TIA, > > Jon > --=20 Cheers, Jon Passki, Partner The Hursk Group, LLC "Obvia conspicimus, nubem pellente Mathesi." e: jon.passki@hursk.com ph: 651/222.3020 cal: http://www.google.com/calendar/hosted/hursk.com/embed?src=3Djon.passki= %40hursk.com pgp: 1BB0 A946 927B 93C3 ED6A 0466 6692 6C2C 84BE 4122 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:09:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6033106590B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-37.bluehost.com [69.89.20.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B12A68FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 11692 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2009 19:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 19:09:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=RQWhJY1Wne5VEanQ1bZROMHlUUbM35ikM1ZM4Lq4YBzjATh/dXRfG0h+d2VW89yx96hahSfxBE013t9dRvVrTkGWbzwtUDBo7LBTE4iKcGJp7CcR6WJfdiyUhwYBi/m5; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9kzA-0002El-Fb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:09:52 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 13:04:47 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:04:47 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528190447.GE40206@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KuLpqunXa7jZSBt+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090527221211.GB55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:09:58 -0000 --KuLpqunXa7jZSBt+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:12:11PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Of course - ban it! > > >> > > >> > > >> Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactl= y why > > >> I > > >> no longer use FreeBSD. =A0Just about everything in these mailing lis= ts turns > > > > > > If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) > > > > > > This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! > >=20 > > Well, that certainly doesn't follow. >=20 > Actually, that one does. > If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc > then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference > in your choice. If you stop using it because you don't like the > noise, then functionality is not your high priority. Maybe saying > 'at all' is over the top. But, anyway, the noise is getting tiresome -= =20 > even mine. False dichotomy. It is possible to value both the quality of the community support *and* the characteristics of the OS, and for sufficient problems in one to overcome the benefits of the other. It's not a matter of *only* the community discussion venue *or* the technical characteristics of the OS to matter. Both can matter and, when one fails spectacularly enough for a particular person's needs, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that person to choose a different OS based on a better (for his/her purposes) combination of OS and community quality. I, of course, tend to find the FreeBSD community quite wonderful, as OS communities go -- aside from one particular fly in the ointment. Combine that with the excellence of the documentation and the technical (and licensing) benefits of the OS itself, and I'm happy being here. I can understand how some of the failures in the community to be a perfect ray of sunshine might put off some users, though, without immediately jumping to the conclusion that those users don't give a crap about the quality of the OS at all. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Joel Ryder: "Ask Ren is definitely faster than Ask Jeeves. Jeeves doesn't give you an attitude though, so I guess it's a trade off." --KuLpqunXa7jZSBt+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEUEARECAAYFAkoe4E8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU9+ACeNxjz87ZF/VbAoPjTLO10jT0r AfIAl2qvQNDHruqoSSmStf3jHtlzlJs= =je5D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KuLpqunXa7jZSBt+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:15:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B30810656CB for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291128FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so3013574ywe.13 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:15:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/JLPXESMs+XfasXgNS4pJSSGctVPYnhD1DECbqltumY=; b=HvzTVKQEgSL8JvG02tTbhU/Nz+ORLZEcbUZPc34r5Bik/+Ksyqez9mfK4uSrIp7HUM DwxCQJkRCD57J37koGi/91Kzh8hEcDJY0BoGF/064TR5LcRIabtrMmZRysTFTJmp3bjl 0/z3W7yP+BVzT655Tcy7CoQz+2P14EmvCJUVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JCpASMRwarV1ULf2+UW0hQggUAkCFJO0UNHi35hzZ6eIlH8lCpxgU5p+9nOYvZawG1 +yYneD5ToDnFgVIUPUv9gXsQumS4ZzMLFfzPv42G7u7QsNxdgWQSpCQ5DLiXqe/IIjFY P5IU1aT1Hi6h2RUYTBeK2BiXk5aM/VXHwbaEw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.50.13 with SMTP id c13mr3384887ybk.47.1243538115988; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090528185617.GD40206@kokopelli.hydra> References: <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <4A1D9B45.4050302@boosten.org> <20090528185617.GD40206@kokopelli.hydra> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:15:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:15:18 -0000 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >> > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >> > because of forum - still read and posts here. >> >> None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. >> Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is >> irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and >> it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on >> this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unapprecia= ted. > > Actually, that's technically your estimation -- not your opinion. =A0It m= ay > be correct or incorrect (and if it's incorrect, then I'm incorrect too, > because I have come to the same conclusion), but the fact it's not a > settled matter doesn't mean it's opinion. =A0The term opinion has a very > specific meaning, and this isn't it. > > Saying *you* don't appreciate it would be a matter of opinion. =A0Saying > you think most people don't appreciate it would be an estimation of the > popularity of a given opinion -- but not an opinion itself. Huh? > > I don't mean to "bust your balls" on this, so to speak. =A0I just want to > offer my thoughts on the matter of what does and does not constitute > opinion so that people who disdain what others observe but cannot > necessarily prove will not find it as easy to dismiss things as mere > "opinion". > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > Quoth Anonymous: "Why do we never have time to do it right, but always > have time to do it over?" > --=20 www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:20:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0AE10656AB for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:20:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D348FC19 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:20:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4SJK9UU028743; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:20:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 861B373B76; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:20:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528EF73B18; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:20:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 May 2009 14:20:07 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:19:14 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE0@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Sponsoring FreeBSD Thread-Index: AcnfyOLvQYXDAjhMRG6VzOBZMbIf+wAABWUQ References: <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com><065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org><4A1D9B45.4050302@boosten.org><20090528185617.GD40206@kokopelli.hydra> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Neal Hogan" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2009 19:20:07.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FF81A10:01C9DFC9] Cc: Subject: RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:20:51 -0000 OMFG!!!! Can someone PLEASE just shoot me now!!!???? How much do I have t= o pay to make this thread and all the worthless babble therein go away fore= ver? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Neal Hogan Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:15 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >> > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it >> > because of forum - still read and posts here. >> >> None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about. >> Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is >> irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and >> it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on >> this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unapprecia= ted. > > Actually, that's technically your estimation -- not your opinion. =A0It m= ay > be correct or incorrect (and if it's incorrect, then I'm incorrect too, > because I have come to the same conclusion), but the fact it's not a > settled matter doesn't mean it's opinion. =A0The term opinion has a very > specific meaning, and this isn't it. > > Saying *you* don't appreciate it would be a matter of opinion. =A0Saying > you think most people don't appreciate it would be an estimation of the > popularity of a given opinion -- but not an opinion itself. Huh? > > I don't mean to "bust your balls" on this, so to speak. =A0I just want to > offer my thoughts on the matter of what does and does not constitute > opinion so that people who disdain what others observe but cannot > necessarily prove will not find it as easy to dismiss things as mere > "opinion". > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > Quoth Anonymous: "Why do we never have time to do it right, but always > have time to do it over?" > --=20 www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:27:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AEC1065675 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com [67.222.39.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D9848FC0A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 29274 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2009 19:27:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 19:27:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=T9XYjecFeqvMShF+Fjx993y+gFSmuNlSsvUE0g5deZ2vfKzW4su/bmtJqMhG/6ysX03SttCaMcnoUaHpIyENDKFMladzURaellZSNqPg5Pj7h6YIybiZPsTXq3wHroKN; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9lFk-0008TP-3i for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:27:00 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 13:21:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:21:55 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528192155.GF40206@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> <20090527172924.GA10301@RawFedDogs.net> <878wki7zqm.fsf@kobe.laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NGIwU0kFl1Z1A3An" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:27:01 -0000 --NGIwU0kFl1Z1A3An Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, > >unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually > >just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a > >mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. > > > >Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of >=20 > Exactly. but it for sure wasn't what original "sponsoring offer wanted".= =20 > He wanted banner/logo advert on mine webpage. That was not what was stated in the email that started this thread. Why do you relentlessly ignore not only the actual wording of the original email, but also the corrections offered by others? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Yasir Arafat on religious wars: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." --NGIwU0kFl1Z1A3An Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe5FMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUIeACeNXFQ4gLjruNA8xqGPnJxx3Z1 iqcAoOJBqgaMJp30Y7rO4qiPOb439cO9 =ImAL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NGIwU0kFl1Z1A3An-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:30:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E481065670 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092D88FC23 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:30:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJTfkn062009; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:29:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJTev8062006; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:29:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:29:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:30:07 -0000 >> Actually, you are a troll. > > Actually, I allow myself to tell you that this is untrue. :-) but i said "thank you" for such nomination. i feel proud :) I'm waiting for "certified professional FreeBSD Troll (TM)" printed and laminated certificate! should i give a snail-mail address? > He's right. FreeBSD is an advanced operating system that provides > basic means to drivers and applications (and to do some other > things). So it enables application programmers to write their > programs for this platform. If they refuse to, why blame the > system? I don't know. FreeBSD folks actually did A LOT OF WORK that they wasn't even supposed to do, and did it for free! Instead of hearing "Thank you, you made it at least partially working!" they here "FreeBSD FLASH support is a CRAP". Not polite and really they deserve better reward. > As it has truthfully been mentioned, it would be possible for ...this parts removed as i fully agree and have nothing to add... > Until a new printer doesn't support your "Windows" version anymore, > or your new !Windows" version doesn't support your printer anymore. It was his problem, and just don't care about him. But i really hate that such lazy people that prefer buying new computers instead of thinking - tries to TEACH others that it's the right way to go. Being lazy is bad. Not thinking is bad. I am sometimes lazy and not always think as good as i would like, but i don't tell people it is OK! It is not! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:30:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B359106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from mx.utwente.nl (mx2.utsp.utwente.nl [130.89.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B9F8FC17 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:30:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from nox.student.utwente.nl (nox.student.utwente.nl [130.89.165.91]) by mx.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id n4SJ14LP003657; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:01:04 +0200 From: Pieter de Goeje To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:01:03 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905282101.03923.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:30:12 -0000 T24gVGh1cnNkYXkgMjggTWF5IDIwMDkgMTk6NTE6NDUgVG9tIFdvcnN0ZXIgd3JvdGU6Cj4gd2hh dCBjaGFyYWN0ZXIgc2V0L2VuY29kaW5nIGlzIHVzZWQgZm9yIGZpbGUgbmFtZXMgaW4gZnJlZWJz ZCB3aGVuIGkgaGF2ZSBhCj4gZGVmYXVsdCB1ZnMgZnM/Cj4KPiB0b20KCk5vbmUuCgpVRlMgaXMg OCBiaXQgY2xlYW4sIHNvIHlvdSBjYW4gYmFzaWNhbGx5IHVzZSBpdCB3aXRoIGFueSA4Yml0IGNo YXJhY3RlciBzZXQuIApObyBlbmNvZGluZyBpcyBlbmZvcmNlZCBhbmQgbm8gY29udmVyc2lvbiBp cyBldmVyIGFwcGxpZWQgdG8gZmlsZSBuYW1lcyBvbiAKVUZTLgoKSWYgeW91IHNldCB5b3VyIGxv Y2FsZSB0byBVVEYtOCwgeW91IGNhbiB1c2UgdW5pY29kZSBjaGFyYWN0ZXJzIGluIGZpbGVuYW1l cy4KCkZvciBpbnN0YW5jZToKCiUgdG91Y2ggIuKhjeKgnOKgh+KgkeKguSDioLrioIHioI4g4qCB 4qCOIOKgmeKgkeKggeKgmSDioIHioI4g4qCBICIKJSBscwrioY3ioJzioIfioJHioLkg4qC64qCB 4qCOIOKggeKgjiDioJnioJHioIHioJkg4qCB4qCOIOKggQolIHJtIOKhjeKgnOKgh+KgkeKguVwg 4qC64qCB4qCOXCDioIHioI5cIOKgmeKgkeKggeKgmVwg4qCB4qCOXCDioIFcCiUKCihJIGRvbid0 IGhhdmUgYSBjbHVlIHdoYXQgdGhhdCBtZWFucyBidHcpCgotLSAKUGlldGVyIGRlIEdvZWplCgo= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:32:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DB7106567C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay01.ispgateway.de (smtprelay01.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26168FC1C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from [84.186.162.250] (helo=localhost) by smtprelay01.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1M9lKZ-0006Bj-AC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:31:59 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:31:49 +0200 From: Fabian Keil To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528213149.71f289fc@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20090528184820.GB40206@kokopelli.hydra> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090527180056.41bd2800@fabiankeil.de> <20090528184820.GB40206@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2008-08-18.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/lWB4afhPiQzA3/Qsdo_=E0d"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: 775067 Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org problems (was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:32:01 -0000 --Sig_/lWB4afhPiQzA3/Qsdo_=E0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Fabian Keil wrote: > > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >=20 > > > > 3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website > > > > > > > current webpage is excellent - no need to :) Most important - it work= s in=20 > > > every browser. > >=20 > > Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dwww/91539 >=20 > My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an > SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are > FreeBSD systems, ironically). Interesting. I'm reaching the website through SSH without problems: Firefox -> Privoxy -> ssh -> sshd -> www.freebsd.org In related news, I've been using a Privoxy filter to fix the worst rendering issues for several years now, and I'm considering adding it to the port as well. After all it doesn't look like www/91539 is going to get fixed any time soon. As the archives will show, the problems were already known before the redesign went live, but nobody cared back then either. Fabian --Sig_/lWB4afhPiQzA3/Qsdo_=E0d Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe5rEACgkQBYqIVf93VJ0TeACdG7daPAGbfUb39GJfv9YqDZ3l qo4Anj9jVzhDPFM/hHQmrIoWSEay0Wv5 =QZWj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/lWB4afhPiQzA3/Qsdo_=E0d-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:34:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12CF10656AB for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0393D8FC2C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:34:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJY3r7062053; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:34:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJY25q062050; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:34:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:34:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:34:13 -0000 > good as the weakest point. Of course you can add security by > using SSH, and it's definitely indicated when doing things via > the Internet. As long as you are inside your own net, covered > from the Internet, with only trustworthy machines inside it, > you could even use telnet. which i actually do. even more! i ALWAYS change configuration to allow root login from telnet rsh and ssh which is disabled by default. Even 15 seconds of thinking is enough to understand that logging to other user and then su - gives completely no extra security. And yes - i do log as root by "insecure" rsh and telnet. The only think you should be aware is to not do it when connection is from outside and insecure. This case i actually don't use even ssh if it's not mine computer. How can i be sure that ssh is secure, but keylogging isn't installed? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:34:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23E710656F0 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:34:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA8E8FC1A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:34:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJYO2v062060; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:34:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJYOZ0062057; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:34:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:34:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528183329.dc850cfb.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090526230522.GH49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <20090527011302.98954329.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528183329.dc850cfb.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Peter Steele , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is this a gmirror bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:34:42 -0000 >> >> ? >> >> I think we must be talking about something different. In any event, what >> we have works quite well and I'm not about to change the process at this >> point... we already talked on priv and everything got explained :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:37:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BF01065679 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C42D8FC26 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJb6Tj062172; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:37:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJb6jQ062169; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:37:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:37:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:37:18 -0000 > I know I sound like Theo, but security and reliability are ALWAYS more > important than overhead or speed. I really agree with You. That's why every admin (and user too) should think about what is he/she doing, instead of repeating the same mantras about security/insecurity of something. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:40:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CFF10656AE for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B898FC0A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJeNdm062200; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:40:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJeMlM062197; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:40:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:40:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528194032.e31ec225.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528194032.e31ec225.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com, Chris Rees Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:40:34 -0000 > But if it is, why not? At least, the OP's description involving some time ago i heard from linux user that rshd is removed at all "because it's insecure". Just got another example how good decision i made moving away from it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:43:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9112B106585E for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:43:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BB18FC14 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJhX8o062226; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:43:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJhWSR062223; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:43:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:43:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:44:01 -0000 > That was true in the past, but today, it's much more complicated > than just regularing an article's quality over the price. You > can - without any problems - get crap for (too) much money. You > pay for a brand name, or a standard's name, but you get crap. HP products (printers, cameras, and other office equipment) are really perfect examples. I mean new HP products, not those 10-20 years ago where HP was expensive but really good. > Exactly. Even el-anachronismo dotmatrix printers could turn > simple text, transmitted to the parallel port, into printed > form. Today's el-stupido printers can't. I don't agree it's bad idea of removing processing hardware from printer. It's good idea as such processing is a blink of eye for today computers. The problem is that there is NO STANDARD for raw bitmap printers. If it would - then just adding this to ghostscript would be few hours of work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:44:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66683106581A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:44:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6298FC17 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:44:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJiQfQ062233; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:44:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJiQwx062230; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:44:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:44:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Tom Worster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: character sets for file names on ufs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:44:33 -0000 > what character set/encoding is used for file names in freebsd when i have a > default ufs fs? it just write whatever program will give it. UFS does not recode anything. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:44:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54FE10656E0 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:44:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE8E8FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:44:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A371F778; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:44:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wVhlr-bO0Qhd; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:44:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F0901F770; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:44:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: Wojciech Puchar Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:44:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905281444.45342.kirk@strauser.com> Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:44:52 -0000 On Thursday 28 May 2009 02:34:02 pm Wojciech Puchar wrote: > And yes - i do log as root by "insecure" rsh and telnet. OK, I'm now promoting you to "batshit insane". Seriously, there's no excuse for running telnet - even in a "secure" (ha!) environment - when so much better alternatives exist. Let me shoot you a hypothetical: your webserver gets compromised. The intruder uses a little ARP poisoning to launch a MITM attack between your workstation and the database server. He comes back a couple hours later and uses your plaintext root password to make a backup of your database for his personal use. Oh, but that could never happen to you, because you run a PtP VPN between every pair of machines on your network, said network being separated from the Internet by a 2 meter air gap and a Doberman Pinscher. Seriously, using telnet today is flat-out stupid, and I'd fire you in a second if you brought that level of bullheaded incompetence into my company. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:47:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814B910656A7 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A40D8FC14 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJl4QT062277; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:47:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJl46m062274; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:47:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:47:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090528184820.GB40206@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090527180056.41bd2800@fabiankeil.de> <20090528184820.GB40206@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:47:17 -0000 >> >> Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=www/91539 > > My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an > SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are > FreeBSD systems, ironically). could you please tell how do you set up ssh proxy for that? while i don't use ssh proxy that way, i really see no reason why it may not work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:50:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596C61065873 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:50:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDA68FC22 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:50:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJoniY062297; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:50:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJomn3062294; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:50:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:50:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE0@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com><065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org><4A1D9B45.4050302@boosten.org><20090528185617.GD40206@kokopelli.hydra> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE0@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: RE: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:50:58 -0000 > OMFG!!!! Can someone PLEASE just shoot me now!!!???? How much do I have to pay to make this thread and all the worthless babble therein go away forever? no way, but please think about financing, or even better gathering few people and convincing core team for setting up official MODERATED list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:51:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE781065745 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:51:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53A78FC0C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:51:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJpiE4062304; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:51:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJpiJK062301; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:51:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:51:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090528185032.GC40206@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <0e9816ca5425550de4e82aeb60e36751.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090528185032.GC40206@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:52:00 -0000 >> Why did you (attempt to) answer the question in the first place then? > > Maybe he's trolling. Look how successful he was at instigating a flame > war. . . . will not get any success without people like Chris Rees and few others. Actually - starting it was not my plan at all. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:52:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663EE1065769 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB908FC2D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4SJqPUA003864 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id EF11673C8B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99D873C7F for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:22 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:05 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What is this forum for? Thread-Index: AcnfzEGhjuglmtnQROmfFASLv5YGCAAADSDQ References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> From: "Gary Gatten" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2009 19:52:22.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1105CD0:01C9DFCD] Subject: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:52:41 -0000 Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? If the later - as it seems to be - I would like to chat about Russian, Polish, etc. Women Tennis players and what they feed them over there! Generally speaking and as a percentage of the populous - they're freakin hot! Not to mention good players - they have like .... 50-70% of the top 50 spots! I know I'm new (to this forum) and don't really have a right to b!tch about anything yet - especially since I can't contribute much to FreeBSD / *nix as I'm not all that skilled in the internal workings thereof. However, if some of the cr@p I've seen here lately went on in other "support" lists I'm associated with - it would NOT be tolerated. I like chatting / learning about all kinds of stuff, but on this forum I expected it to be more on topic than off. For the most part I guess it is on topic and maybe I'm just frustrated given a couple threads of late. That said, I HOPE what has happened on other sites doesn't happen here - all the truly gifted people that can / do actually help get tired of the B$ and leave - and then we all suffer....
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:53:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AD010657DA for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704578FC1B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJ7k0Z061849; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJ7k47061846; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090528151738.GC1259@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <20090528151738.GC1259@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: superpages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:42 -0000 > [amd64, i386] The FreeBSD virtual memory subsystem now supports > fully transparent use of superpages for application memory; > application memory pages are dynamically promoted to or demoted from > superpages without any modification to application code. This change > offers the benefit of large page sizes such as improved virtual > memory efficiency and reduced TLB (translation lookaside buffer) > misses without downsides like application changes and virtual memory > inflexibility. This is disabled by default and can be enabled by > setting a loader tunable vm.pmap.pg_ps_enabled to 1. very important change. i will have to check. thank you very much From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:53:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B79910657ED for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338168FC0C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJChAJ061856; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:12:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJChNU061853; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:12:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:12:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528180334.935932be.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528180334.935932be.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:46 -0000 >> The problem is that most buyers are more happy when they get "added value" >> "for free" like tons of CD's > > Even if they never use it. but they HAVE. You probably observed already that lots of people buy things to HAVE them. You are right. >> Manufacturers do what market required, no matter how dumb it is. Those who >> didn't already failed. > > "The worst solution always prevails" and "People want crap, > they get crap" seem to have established as laws of the market. Not all people, but most. The problem is that there are less and less people that do not want a crap. Low enough that making products for them isn't a business. >> As windows user may get scared hearing the word "unix", [...] > > No no, UNIX doesn't exist, and it's outdated anyway, just like > mainframes. :-) oh yes i forgot. >> i just run lpr to print postscript file, or print directly from programs >> through lpr > > I'm happy to keep on doing so now, too. :-) 99.999% basic things that user needs is already invented on unix for even 20 or more years. Now we have more and more "new technologies" that reinvent it most more inefficient and overcomplex way. Even more - complexity is always marketed as adventage. > That's intended by the marked (because users intend so). Buying > new printers all day long is normal, so you always have a "top > of the line" printer. :-) that will break down within at most 2 years. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:53:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C981065676 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702E78FC1E for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJreDO062337; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:53:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJreUC062334; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:53:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:53:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <200905281444.45342.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <200905281444.45342.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:49 -0000 > >> And yes - i do log as root by "insecure" rsh and telnet. > > OK, I'm now promoting you to "batshit insane". Seriously, there's no excuse thank you very much. while i don't know exactly what is a difference between "batshit insane" and "insane" i feel really proud! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:53:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492A71065705 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BB28FC1D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJK39g061870; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJK3N0061867; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528182059.8e45b558.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528182059.8e45b558.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:50 -0000 > I may add that I'm using FreeBSD exclusively (!) on my desktop > since version 4.0 without any problems. I just don't describe > the use "desktop" with "runs 'Flash' flawlessly". As Wojciech still today i don't get explanation what is "desktop usage". Well my second computer stays on the desk. is it desktop usage? > your system. The FreeBSD OS is just the basis for this, not > the entire means. Today there is a problem with global computer disinformation, started first by microsoft, but now continued by many else. Most common misconception is calling "Operating System" huge set of OS itself, tons of programs, GUI interfaces and even web browser. This make confusement on that list VERY often. Statements like "FreeBSD doesn't support FLASH well" are perfect examples. Wouldn't be just clear to say "Adobe doesn't support FLASH under FreeBSD"? So little change, and much closer to reality. > printer: the PC and the license for "Windows". I'm not sure > what this costs altogether, but maybe it justifies buying > an office-class printer that is fully standard-compliant and > will serve you more years than a non-printer would. Windows is usually OEM'ed, but it still costs over 50$ in price, not mentioning NEW computer. 250$ is probably the lowest price of computer with windows licence included, without monitor. Even expensive standard compliant printer is cheaper, and much easier to use. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:53:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456EF10658D2 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D258FC19 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJ6cUH061842; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:06:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJ6cav061839; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:06:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:06:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090528145735.GB58155@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <03063762@serv3.int.kfs.ru> <20090527172924.GA10301@RawFedDogs.net> <878wki7zqm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20090528145735.GB58155@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:56 -0000 > 1: Many (note all) of your posts in response to questions carry what > we might call a snippy, kind of put down attitude toward the > questioner. Even when you are quite correct in information and > criticism, it is not received well if you also say something that > appears to ridicule the OP and/or other posters. This is where I > wonder if it is a language issue. Do you realize that you are > jamming people in the manner of your posts? Take care of people's while sometimes it is what i want (when someone just attack me or just repeating nonsense), generally you exaggerate. > might be received, then don't put in those words - just stick to the > plain and dull technical information. Mostly i do if you read my answers. And i always try to help all people. Classic example is some kind of windows user (or maybe linux distro) that wants "easy system" and "desktop software". Telling him/her that it's better stick with windows is actually saving his/her time. There are no cases that such people will switch. i know HUNDREDS of people like this, everybody got back to windows. And i help FreeBSD too this way. Do you like more and more opinions like this: "I completely don't understand that hype about linux/FreeBSD. It's even more inconsistent, slow and make more problems that windows." I hear them often, and i understand them. > 2: Although I have seen a number of valuable responses posted under your > address (eg presumably helpfully posted by you), sometimes you seem to > jump in to a question or thread when you really do not know the answer > or really do not have anything to add. You see wrong. Probably because of few people that behave like having mental problems, and just criticizing ANYTHING i write. Any attempt to discuss only make it worse. Don't you think that it would be better AS YOU SAID - concentrate on topic, and not on your opinions about myself? While few may be true, most are just the result of too quick reading and are too much based of this few people i mentioned. Actually THEY starts "flamewar" because they don't use argument. And - no - i WILL NOT be telling what you or other want from me, but my opinions. There is no way to change it no matter how "politically incorrect" it is. I think it finally end in starting moderated maillist, because it's fine time to do so. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:58:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998AE10658BA for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249478FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF0F16C0114; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SJwM5J010555; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:58:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:58:22 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090528215822.be27e6a9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:58:32 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:29:40 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > but i said "thank you" for such nomination. i feel proud :) > I'm waiting for "certified professional FreeBSD Troll (TM)" printed and > laminated certificate! should i give a snail-mail address? Write a letter to Redmond, they usually pay good if you are willing to propagate their opinion. :-) > FreeBSD folks actually did A LOT OF WORK that they wasn't > even supposed to do, and did it for free! > > Instead of hearing "Thank you, you made it at least > partially working!" they here "FreeBSD FLASH support is a CRAP". > > Not polite and really they deserve better reward. I didn't say that FreeBSD's "Flash" support is crap, but in my opinion, "Flash" itself is crap as long as (a) it is mostly used to pollute the web and annoy its users, (b) used in a manner that often leaves no way to get around it and (c) it isn't a standard. Of course those who invest their time to make something work on FreeBSD that the original inventor had not designed to run on FreeBSD deserve a big "Thank you, good work." > It was his problem, and just don't care about him. But i really hate that > such lazy people that prefer buying new computers instead of thinking - > tries to TEACH others that it's the right way to go. Because "the right way" always depends on what someone is going to do with a computer, his way may be the right way for him, but the wrong way for e. g. me. > Being lazy is bad. Not thinking is bad. I am sometimes lazy and not always > think as good as i would like, but i don't tell people it is OK! > It is not! Thinking and ivesting time for learning is - for some people - the only way to get through life. They entirely depend on others who (re)install their PCs, attach their printers and get things done. In the result, those people say: "Wow, I'm so clever, that was really easy! I'm a Program Manager!" (I really met a person who called from himself as being a "Program Manager".) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 19:59:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02604106594E for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030CA8FC20 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SJxd7o062407; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:59:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SJxd57062404; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:59:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:59:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:59:48 -0000 > Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get > specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, > theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? It is not enforced, there are no strict rules and no moderation, so while it's not yet a blog, it will be soon. Sorry for not responding to later, but i'm such unusual man that is completely not interested in sport news :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:03:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B591065710 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-312.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-312.bluehost.com [67.222.54.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D46B58FC12 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 27765 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2009 20:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 20:02:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ZKuJszvcT861mUrVZGF2KIW6A+gzDDjpcghYNPl9fLFML4HXhqaeBkGJb9W2/mj7GZTHzud+IIxczHr3B0G5HW9uKkCcdRGJtxlNYu8QuZCx21XNhqYWe/RYk2cXxdmt; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9lo5-0004GN-5x for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:02:29 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 13:57:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:57:24 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528195724.GC40707@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090527180056.41bd2800@fabiankeil.de> <20090528184820.GB40206@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:03:07 -0000 --ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:47:04PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >>Actually it's known to render poorly in a lot of browser configurations: > >>http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dwww/91539 > > > >My only problem has been that the FreeBSD site won't load if I'm using an > >SSH proxy (even though both the local machine and the proxy machine are > >FreeBSD systems, ironically). >=20 > could you please tell how do you set up ssh proxy for that? > while i don't use ssh proxy that way, i really see no reason why it may= =20 > not work. on client, from shell prompt: ssh -D 8080 -p on client, in Firefox, under Advanced > Network > Connection Settings: select "Manual proxy configuration:" set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 set Port: 8080 select "SOCKS v5" Aside from a nonstandard port, the server machine's OpenSSH configuration is basically default. There is a firewall/router between the server machine and the ISP. The ISP is Comcast. Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Niven: "That's the thing about people who think they hate computers. What they really hate is lousy programmers." --ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe7KQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX6LwCgh4R6BYkK1d+PEiLrmXedl4qe nNcAoI9UYZ0mzrmm8HEsJ+tFVosiNJb3 =ShVq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:06:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F6D10658A8 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F668FC23 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4SK5rmN023444; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:06:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D37B573C95; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:05:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEFA73CC4; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:05:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 May 2009 15:05:41 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:05:17 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What is this forum for? Thread-Index: Acnfzu63gT3pO4gFSPieA0VYO37A+gAAH6pA References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Wojciech Puchar" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2009 20:05:41.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD425680:01C9DFCF] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:06:15 -0000 Forget the sports - I'm talking hot women here! Your part of the world seems to be turning them out at a high rate! Oh wait, this has nothing to do with FBSD.... -----Original Message----- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:00 PM To: Gary Gatten Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? > Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get > specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, > theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? It is not enforced, there are no strict rules and no moderation, so while=20 it's not yet a blog, it will be soon. Sorry for not responding to later, but i'm such unusual man that is=20 completely not interested in sport news :)
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:11:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFB010656EA for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4D68FC14 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAA416C0224; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:06:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SK6eYp010610; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:06:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:06:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:11:46 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:43:32 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > I don't agree it's bad idea of removing processing hardware from printer. > It's good idea as such processing is a blink of eye for today computers. in general, I would agree, but some BASIC FUNCTIONALITY should be brought by the printer itself, and if it's only ASCII printing, so things like % ls /etc > /dev/ulpt0 would work. For simple things, it's completely okay. > The problem is that there is NO STANDARD for raw bitmap printers. > If it would - then just adding this to ghostscript would be few hours of > work. Exactly, THAT's the problem. If all manufacturers would agree to have a certain standard about how printers can receive bitmapped content, everything would be easy. But as I said, printer manu- facturers don't intend to do so, because customers seem to like the shiny discs they need to spend some time with before being able to actually use their new printer. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:14:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882D41065678 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6B88FC13 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SKEC5t062553; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:14:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SKECkN062550; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:14:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:14:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528215822.be27e6a9.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528215822.be27e6a9.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:14:25 -0000 >> I'm waiting for "certified professional FreeBSD Troll (TM)" printed and >> laminated certificate! should i give a snail-mail address? > > Write a letter to Redmond, they usually pay good if you > are willing to propagate their opinion. :-) i want this certificate from man who call me troll, not Micro$oft. >> FreeBSD folks actually did A LOT OF WORK that they wasn't >> even supposed to do, and did it for free! >> >> Instead of hearing "Thank you, you made it at least >> partially working!" they here "FreeBSD FLASH support is a CRAP". >> >> Not polite and really they deserve better reward. > > I didn't say that FreeBSD's "Flash" support is crap, but in my You did not. Someone before said this. > on FreeBSD deserve a big "Thank you, good work." exactly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:16:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245901065786 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FFA8FC15 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SKGDJJ062583; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:16:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SKGD4W062580; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:16:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:16:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090528195724.GC40707@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090527180056.41bd2800@fabiankeil.de> <20090528184820.GB40206@kokopelli.hydra> <20090528195724.GC40707@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:16:26 -0000 > set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 > set Port: 8080 > select "SOCKS v5" > > Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page > and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. > well - same here. If you like to see just FreeBSD page then ssh -C -L 8000:69.147.83.33:80 yourhost and browse http://localhost:8000 it certainly work ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:21:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469981065680 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C218FC0C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SKKp1S062609; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:20:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SKKpPL062606; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:20:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:20:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:21:01 -0000 > Forget the sports - I'm talking hot women here! Your part of the world > seems to be turning them out at a high rate! > > Oh wait, this has nothing to do with FBSD.... like most post on that list. Even if you remove all mails classified as "flamewars" there is less than 10% about FreeBSD. Everything else is about some apps support that just happen to be in ports - while question are completely non-FreeBSD specific and should go to this app mailing list. Even more stupid - there are question about windows which is even less FreeBSD related. Well 10% is exaggerated, it's less. And will be even less within time, unless moderation will be started. Of course moderation+clearly defined rules of this, so moderator humour and preferences won't matter. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:21:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE911065674 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-19.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-19.bluehost.com [69.89.20.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FBF88FC17 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 11185 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2009 20:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 20:21:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=WGM8Boywbr3YKS7CB9cX+B+Vk6ljam2rJRHRLxsI9k0IsG1f28yCfmBe+mccY+pyCPWhAOfU1DEsuSJsaACsOY26d6PynWjoTXa2dpWo81Yd9HTXp7XKi6VaJfniXNqM; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9m6W-00053w-Qg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:21:33 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 14:16:28 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:16:28 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528201627.GA40874@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:21:34 -0000 --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 02:52:05PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: > Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get > specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, > theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? >=20 > If the later - as it seems to be - I would like to chat about Russian, > Polish, etc. Women Tennis players and what they feed them over there! > Generally speaking and as a percentage of the populous - they're freakin > hot! Not to mention good players - they have like .... 50-70% of the > top 50 spots! >=20 > I know I'm new (to this forum) and don't really have a right to b!tch > about anything yet - especially since I can't contribute much to FreeBSD > / *nix as I'm not all that skilled in the internal workings thereof. > However, if some of the cr@p I've seen here lately went on in other > "support" lists I'm associated with - it would NOT be tolerated. >=20 > I like chatting / learning about all kinds of stuff, but on this forum I > expected it to be more on topic than off. For the most part I guess it > is on topic and maybe I'm just frustrated given a couple threads of > late. That said, I HOPE what has happened on other sites doesn't happen > here - all the truly gifted people that can / do actually help get tired > of the B$ and leave - and then we all suffer.... It's usually on topic. It gets off-topic more often when W. Puchar chips in, though. If you're new to this list, you may have just arrived at the wrong moment, when a W. Puchar flame war was in full swing. Please give it a little time. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] A: It reverses the normal flow of conversation. Q: What's wrong with top-posting? --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe8RsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUMZQCgtSFJ/904Ga9rkvfRlJ/Eynkm ztsAoMhqLtQO1epic3ZVox6ZTUQWI4zz =vPy/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:24:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA201065670 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-112.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-112.bluehost.com [69.89.24.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6D218FC0A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 21218 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2009 20:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 20:24:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=AyJmVpFfFAu9nVupmpwmSD1zqQ8McHk3n7gtlIYPEiNhtOPuCWeqlsO9cbfyhyaGThklaHm/72/hMdlqZkmaLNdMjP6l6V75KI4VBB619TlwmnXS1HEYplivk1zfIjvF; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9m9I-0007Ws-OD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:24:25 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 14:19:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:19:19 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528201919.GA40913@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090527180056.41bd2800@fabiankeil.de> <20090528184820.GB40206@kokopelli.hydra> <20090528195724.GC40707@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:24:26 -0000 --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:16:13PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > set SOCKS Host: 127.0.0.1 > > set Port: 8080 > > select "SOCKS v5" > > > >Using the proxy, trying to reach freebsd.org just gives me a blank page > >and (Untitled) in the Firefox tab. > > > well - same here. If you like to see just FreeBSD page then >=20 > ssh -C -L 8000:69.147.83.33:80 yourhost >=20 > and browse http://localhost:8000 >=20 > it certainly work ;) I use the proxy to protect my entire browsing session when on a public network -- not just for accessing freebsd.org. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Colin McFadyen: "Unix is not an 'a-ha' experience, it is more of a 'holy-shit' experience." --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe8ccACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVAvgCgroG/5Odhq4toQrsxpGuZm0Rn TVwAn2HsI6kv0BSGzPVISGlHN1eS9WV3 =+zv9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:25:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF821065679 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11B28FC1F for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SKOkQi062642; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:24:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SKOksR062639; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:24:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:24:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:25:07 -0000 > > in general, I would agree, but some BASIC FUNCTIONALITY should > be brought by the printer itself, and if it's only ASCII printing, > so things like > > % ls /etc > /dev/ulpt0 what's wrong in ls /etc|lpr ? > Exactly, THAT's the problem. If all manufacturers would agree to > have a certain standard about how printers can receive bitmapped it's even easier to set up that standard than it was to set up PCL standard. USB allows two-side communication and virtual pipes. so one pipe - printer control, command and response method, most important command - get printer capabilities like resolutions supported, color supported or not as MUST BE in standard, all extras like configuring paper source, setting up printer specific options (say toner economy mode) - optional. Another command - set mode (like 600 dpi, black&white). second pipe - just getting raw bitmap. incredibly simple to implement both in printer and software. but looks like too difficult for manufacturers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:25:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECC8106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:25:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-112.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-112.bluehost.com [69.89.24.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B53998FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:25:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 24759 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2009 20:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 20:25:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Gia3GnB4GjIfdjBZ4bnAyGBcOcOorUOPpnL9LuNdMLJ+/3unTFfHhNlACtwxAq8rSAd14rhswvjg+rf9Qxi3TKygqrZxJCMZFvrWPHKX7zzmKJRqs6y+UoLmk7F2YzBS; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9mAl-0000MH-ES for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:25:55 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 14:20:50 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:20:50 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528202050.GB40913@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:25:56 -0000 --DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:20:51PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Forget the sports - I'm talking hot women here! Your part of the world > >seems to be turning them out at a high rate! > > > >Oh wait, this has nothing to do with FBSD.... >=20 > like most post on that list. Even if you remove all mails classified as= =20 > "flamewars" there is less than 10% about FreeBSD. >=20 > Everything else is about some apps support that just happen to be in port= s=20 > - while question are completely non-FreeBSD specific and should go to thi= s=20 > app mailing list. Even more stupid - there are question about windows=20 > which is even less FreeBSD related. >=20 > Well 10% is exaggerated, it's less. >=20 > And will be even less within time, unless moderation will be started. >=20 > Of course moderation+clearly defined rules of this, so moderator humour= =20 > and preferences won't matter. A lot of this appears to be off-topic, especially by your own personal standards of "off-topic" (which appear to be significantly more strict than those of the list itself). Perhaps you shouldn't contribute to the problem. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Colleen McManus: "still, if you cut through all the bullshit, usually there's something that spawned it, other than an anus" --DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe8iIACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVh2QCeJoTBYI+u6MZ8oETJClxEIVd8 CQ4AoLujyKP8iusJAfAUVjs31+bMn6h4 =HY83 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:26:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EC21065695 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A998FC19 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:26:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SKPuBQ062655; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:25:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SKPuIU062652; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:25:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:25:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090528201627.GA40874@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528201627.GA40874@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:26:11 -0000 >> here - all the truly gifted people that can / do actually help get tired >> of the B$ and leave - and then we all suffer.... > > It's usually on topic. It gets off-topic more often when W. Puchar chips > in, though. I am all bad things in the world you can imagine. I am devil himself. There is no cure for that. You have to accept it, or will fall into hell. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:27:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37BC106568F for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:27:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD24F8FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SKQuhB062668; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:26:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SKQuVs062665; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:26:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:26:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090528201919.GA40913@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090527180056.41bd2800@fabiankeil.de> <20090528184820.GB40206@kokopelli.hydra> <20090528195724.GC40707@kokopelli.hydra> <20090528201919.GA40913@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:27:11 -0000 >> and browse http://localhost:8000 >> >> it certainly work ;) > > I use the proxy to protect my entire browsing session when on a public > network -- not just for accessing freebsd.org. > vtun could be useful for you, and it's much more straightforward method for tunneling ANY IP traffic. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:29:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E7B10656AE for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:29:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE088FC1F for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:29:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B46116C003E; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:29:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SKTmiF010813; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:29:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:29:48 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:29:56 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:24:46 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > in general, I would agree, but some BASIC FUNCTIONALITY should > > be brought by the printer itself, and if it's only ASCII printing, > > so things like > > > > % ls /etc > /dev/ulpt0 > > what's wrong in ls /etc|lpr > ? The problem is that by default, no printer is talked to. If the printer has PS or PCL, gs or even apsfilter will help. The above command works, for example, with a line printer (dotmatrix printer) with NO driver, even works with a HP Laserjet - it uses the built-in text fonts to print the text. I just wish "modern" printers would at least have a single font for text printing - and finally a driver for FreeBSD (or much better, a standard compliance that makes use of PS, PCL or something similar). > it's even easier to set up that standard than it was to set up PCL > standard. > [...] > incredibly simple to implement both in printer and software. > > but looks like too difficult for manufacturers. When they would tell on the box "Works with every system, no driver needed", the customer would surely think that something is missing, like "batteries not includec" - "What? I have to buy extra batteries? No way!" :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:30:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31F310656A4 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9438FC1C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:30:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SKUS2l062721; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:30:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SKUS41062718; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:30:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:30:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090528202050.GB40913@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528202050.GB40913@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:30:43 -0000 > (which appear to be significantly more strict > than those of the list itself). How can you compare if there are no defined standard for that list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:33:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704F91065686 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868438FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:33:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SKXKSR062767; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:33:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SKXKJe062764; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:33:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:33:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:33:39 -0000 > The above command works, for example, with a line printer > (dotmatrix printer) with NO driver, even works with a HP > Laserjet - it uses the built-in text fonts to print the > text. You exaggerate, configuring /etc/printcap and filter is natural part of printer installation. >> incredibly simple to implement both in printer and software. >> >> but looks like too difficult for manufacturers. > > When they would tell on the box "Works with every system, no > driver needed". As i already told, manufacturer don't need to say this, instead say the same as already says. Just sell THE SAME PRINTER with different product name/number as unix printer. And instead of attaching 5GB of super extra important stuff, just attach 1 page instruction about how to configure postscript filter by say ghostscript or maybe URL on their site with examples From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:42:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5D1106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [83.235.67.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BAF8FC1D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-4488614.home.otenet.gr [94.71.73.174]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4SKgg6M024243; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:42:42 +0300 Message-ID: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:42:42 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:42:46 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Forget the sports - I'm talking hot women here! Your part of the world >> seems to be turning them out at a high rate! >> >> Oh wait, this has nothing to do with FBSD.... > > like most post on that list. Even if you remove all mails classified > as "flamewars" there is less than 10% about FreeBSD. Hardly ever started by anyone else than you, I fear... Or to use one of your weapons against you "This is a matter of opinion only" I've been subscribed to this list for quite some time. I've tried to help where I know, I've tried interesting stuff that people discuss here. I've learned more than a few tricks just by watching the threads. Questions and answers that appear here have often inspired me (and given me the info) to write or revise Handbook sections and articles. But as of lately it seems my time is wasted in this fruitless discussion. > > Everything else is about some apps support that just happen to be in > ports - while question are completely non-FreeBSD specific and should > go to this app mailing list. Yes. So please tell me why you are asking Xorg questions here. Surely by your standards this should go to the Xorg mailing list then. And yes, this is you a few threads back: >> Server 1.5.3 also really wants to configure its input devices >> via hald. This is causing some issues with moused and >> /dev/sysmouse. There are a couple of options for how to deal > > one more question - does it mean that it "really wants" or "you don't > have a choice at all". > > I'm asking to know if i have to make a copy of current Xorg servers in > case of new installations. > > thank you very much > Even more stupid - there are question about windows which is even less > FreeBSD related. > > Well 10% is exaggerated, it's less. These are interoperability questions. Nobody here is asking Windows support questions. Not because there are not enough people here that could answer them (me included) but because it is really off topic. > > And will be even less within time, unless moderation will be started. Self moderation is the best discipline. If you feel the "official" FreeBSD lists are not good enough for your taste, you can always run your own. This list is just too much for me to bear at its present state. I will be turning off list delivery for a week, and I hope things will be calm again when I am back. Please all cool down. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:43:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C861065674 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 686FF8FC25 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20825 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 20:43:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=OldJ/7eLeoxXOsfGG/qSnbmpVHFfWu/Ujyu7vYwSCOWJjzHlNgRTf48Wv/XJrJenMHFrU82C+snzvdxbOh6rtG0VuF1z9hLdp7WvhgejtJqJ98sUXIyx9KbX1rkX1CznzHvX7oYFnhcFyLLO6yYzXjkg0vofSgteK1LDZLKN900= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp101.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 13:43:21 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: easK.tsVM1mVyOcD4DuwwrDJ.QW730pbOGTUlyN6nLD7I9BHDzo0lbomo3NqE1x1Mxfpj_53LvCzqR.e.EBNHIxselCNKRLdMlqscvbkEq3A.oh1zZfjGeMNv.M48aArND0nM8TUrn_M7NfPuNwBqJjgpOPHf55FJHlcGfVvSHGqpbLrANgl4m2be1jQ4ePASGUBv01KhJ8VkrMNsE4SEcI5UjrrmlpCFR2xNlGQ7SvnO9cQbCogFltuXe2sLCWT.kwU.hkiDZi7c8Jbip8w2NXRlkbgcRCcXrhe05vMNomPVb7p1oXVZQ22Oo1frDkTENL4IU2f5fbkqGmLeMpacolgXLg7r1d0twyf X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:43:10 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528164310.70f30aae@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528180334.935932be.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/LWtwr_35xLQMYI8sMZuQvmk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:43:25 -0000 --Sig_/LWtwr_35xLQMYI8sMZuQvmk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:12:43 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> The problem is that most buyers are more happy when they get "added >>> value" "for free" like tons of CD's >> >> Even if they never use it. > >but they HAVE. You probably observed already that lots of people buy=20 >things to HAVE them. You are right. That is an incredibly stupid statement. While a user may buy a product that contains additional software that they do not require, they are never-the-less buying a product that they want. You statement, "buy=20 things to HAVE them" makes no sense. Of course they buy something because they want it. Do you buy products that you do not want? And yes, I buy things to have them. Why else would I buy them? >>> Manufacturers do what market required, no matter how dumb it is. >>> Those who didn't already failed. >> >> "The worst solution always prevails" and "People want crap, >> they get crap" seem to have established as laws of the market. > >Not all people, but most. The problem is that there are less and less >people that do not want a crap. Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want. Any first year business student knows that. The statement that "The worst solution always prevails" is totally bogus. Furthermore, your statement, The problem is that there are less and less people that do not want a crap." would appear to go counter to what you have been bantering about. Do you actually "THINK" before you write or are you implying that most people would like to be constipated? >Low enough that making products for them isn't a business. > >>> As windows user may get scared hearing the word "unix", [...] Yes, vary similar to how unix users feel about "plug & play". >> No no, UNIX doesn't exist, and it's outdated anyway, just like >> mainframes. :-) > >oh yes i forgot. > >>> i just run lpr to print postscript file, or print directly from >>> programs through lpr >> >> I'm happy to keep on doing so now, too. :-) > >99.999% basic things that user needs is already invented on unix for >even 20 or more years. > >Now we have more and more "new technologies" that reinvent it most >more inefficient and overcomplex way. > >Even more - complexity is always marketed as adventage. > >> That's intended by the marked (because users intend so). Buying >> new printers all day long is normal, so you always have a "top >> of the line" printer. :-) Actually, when it costs me $49. to re-ink a cheap printer and only $39. to buy a new one, is is almost easier to simply swap the old one out,=20 then give it away as a donation and take the tax credit. I have actually done that by the way. >that will break down within at most 2 years. Actually, I have an old Canon bubble jet 6000 that still works although it is on its last legs and probably ten years old.. In any case, with most simple printers being dirt cheap, why should I care it they last twenty years or not. Now, buying a $3000 color laser jet is a totally different matter. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Prisons are built with stones of Law, brothels with bricks of Religion. Blake --Sig_/LWtwr_35xLQMYI8sMZuQvmk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe92cACgkQBvaKIJWWCO37YQCcDNGRXpcqpruatsGVexiGb11r pwQAmwVKLr0e+8TlunPEkOgZpa2stQoe =5Nsk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/LWtwr_35xLQMYI8sMZuQvmk-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:48:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CAB106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from progress.isafeelin.org (progress.isafeelin.org [84.244.146.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA178FC19 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from progress.isafeelin.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by progress.isafeelin.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D6C130DC5; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:48:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s55919a03.adsl.wanadoo.nl (s55919a03.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.145.154.3]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by progress.isafeelin.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FD6E130DBD; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:48:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.15] (unknown [192.168.1.15]) by s55919a03.adsl.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F01210D20B; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:48:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:48:28 +0200 From: Frederique Rijsdijk User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de><744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com><065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org><20090527124014.6998139c@gom><20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:48:39 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? I'm pretty happy as it is, except for this thread. -- Frederique From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:50:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415D71065679 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D048FC08 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:50:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from localhost (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42826EBC0A; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:54:53 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: "Gary Gatten" Message-Id: <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:50:29 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:05 -0500 "Gary Gatten" wrote: > Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get > specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, > theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? [snip] Stop whining. This list has been around of a LOOOONG time. The rules haven't changed in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the time. The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand scheme of things. -Bill From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:52:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFDB106567A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:52:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1960F8FC13 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SKqJdX062895; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:52:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SKqJC8062892; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:52:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:52:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Manolis Kiagias In-Reply-To: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:52:28 -0000 > I've been subscribed to this list for quite some time. I've tried to > help where I know, Me too. And i'm still doing this. Of course when it is occasion for that, and it's rare as most questions are off-topic. > I've tried interesting stuff that people discuss > here. I've learned more than a few tricks just by watching the threads. > Questions and answers that appear here have often inspired me (and given > me the info) to write or revise Handbook sections and articles. > But as of lately it seems my time is wasted in this fruitless discussion. I think it's not. No matter what you think about my posts, and no matter if i will be posting or not, this list will turn into trash quickly because it isn't moderated and isn't kept strictly on-topic. It worked for years but FreeBSD is becoming more popular. But most people that really use and understand unix, and could make use of FreeBSD, already joined and use FreeBSD. Now - this popularity means that more and more pseudo-unix-users are joining and the mess will be only worse. That's why unmoderated list worked fine but will not any more. Try to do statistics about quality of list now, year ago, 3 years ago, 5 years ago... And you will clearly see what i'm talking about. >> >> Everything else is about some apps support that just happen to be in >> ports - while question are completely non-FreeBSD specific and should >> go to this app mailing list. > > Yes. So please tell me why you are asking Xorg questions here. Surely > by your standards this should go to the Xorg mailing list then. And yes, Because thread was already started, so why should i care? For sure i will not if this list will be moderated, and even if i dare, moderator will delete it. > These are interoperability questions. Nobody here is asking Windows > support questions. example - "do you know how to shrink windows partition from 250 to 50 gigs without losing data" Yes he wanted this 200GB for FreeBSD, but that question has NOTHING to FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:52:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EAE106567D for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 716BA8FC19 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93484 invoked from network); 28 May 2009 20:52:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=tJ1mGsqJRgVJ7I8Q22iFmhlXEUqWrqlsF6aTFDRUxuHKRy0/HelTW+czo+ZxaROC6lBSaIlJEgHGQIAXS+/GR03VaLAGtgtzT2pCEfdp/Gwdxd4Ii7rwPUpZrvqBpZP5ddgD12xDBZbto+vwjwnnvwA13hC7yNTxDsovdMGpa9A= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2009 13:52:49 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: K1IdZ3MVM1keBr5VLawZ.zbP1VISbGq9ysSRpxhVzTWc2j8T7cphg1fp21DyaaEYscFo6JKIMDW2iA97HlV_63OytPFAjuPIXa.h90AYX2vd5gyTrwVTLdzRXj4crQn2A7hyYJyXxFzYOG5RK7AYizaCJp35VSWBm2iE9LryADdjmU2qk5acLiSQY9xgWWfArGBLW.gK0tOpqmqU1i4EVP95cqBfojcF44Wft1A3Yc9.aDODYGclhUy9Pi_.Ed6W4KUbCLuY0qvFlhz0cL2p0YnvF81oKLXyRfI1zc5TV1wMnSKE1__8w_xWg6tKU4HfhSOmpLfC4CszUZO5kFjqrnVfps41ZT_i_oE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:52:47 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/EpPSUNOh4v8jUYvhIrAFbiY"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:52:51 -0000 --Sig_/EpPSUNOh4v8jUYvhIrAFbiY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:06:40 +0200 Polytropon wrote: >On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:43:32 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar > wrote: >> I don't agree it's bad idea of removing processing hardware from >> printer. It's good idea as such processing is a blink of eye for >> today computers. > >in general, I would agree, but some BASIC FUNCTIONALITY should >be brought by the printer itself, and if it's only ASCII printing, >so things like > > % ls /etc > /dev/ulpt0 > >would work. For simple things, it's completely okay. > > > >> The problem is that there is NO STANDARD for raw bitmap printers. >> If it would - then just adding this to ghostscript would be few >> hours of work. > >Exactly, THAT's the problem. If all manufacturers would agree to >have a certain standard about how printers can receive bitmapped >content, everything would be easy. But as I said, printer manu- >facturers don't intend to do so, because customers seem to like >the shiny discs they need to spend some time with before being >able to actually use their new printer. :-) Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world county or the EU would probably sue them. Nothing I have seen in 20 years equals the audacity of the EU. As long as no 'standard' no matter how arbitrary, stupid or counter-productive exists, they are in theory safe from the EU. Besides, nothing stifles development as tightly as being bound to an arbitrary 'standard'. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com You can't expect a boy to be vicious till he's been to a good school. H. H. Munro --Sig_/EpPSUNOh4v8jUYvhIrAFbiY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe+aAACgkQBvaKIJWWCO098QCcDy0vKux88Z3Wh0SO3Rz6pFsq lm0An35jwzyC+yzAYtiEBXjkpV499tFn =1N0b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/EpPSUNOh4v8jUYvhIrAFbiY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 20:53:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A031065673 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D928FC14 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 20:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5644D16C01F0; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:53:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SKrZBW010973; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:53:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:53:35 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090528225335.d2bd7092.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:53:42 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:33:20 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > You exaggerate, configuring /etc/printcap and filter is natural part of > printer installation. > [...] > As i already told, manufacturer don't need to say this, instead say the > same as already says. Just sell THE SAME PRINTER with different product > name/number as unix printer. > > And instead of attaching 5GB of super extra important stuff, just attach 1 > page instruction about how to configure postscript filter by say > ghostscript or maybe URL on their site with examples Yes, of course. I'm nearly out of brain capacity because I had to read through more than 300 messages today. =^_^= -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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You probably observed already that lots of people buy >> things to HAVE them. You are right. > > That is an incredibly stupid statement. This is an incredibly stupid behaviour, but unfortunately true. > While a user may buy a product > that contains additional software that they do not require, they are > never-the-less buying a product that they want. You statement, "buy > things to HAVE them" makes no sense. Of course they buy something Your explanations are theoretical. And you are right this people behaviour doesn't indeed make sense. But it's a normal. Not just printers, i ask people why they got this new cellphone. "Because it has ,,java, etc. etc." Do you use that functions? "No" >> >> Not all people, but most. The problem is that there are less and less >> people that do not want a crap. > > Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want. Exactly right. I don't say that it's wrong, but about how people act. It's just observation of things that can be classified as law of nature. nothing else. >> >>> That's intended by the marked (because users intend so). Buying >>> new printers all day long is normal, so you always have a "top >>> of the line" printer. :-) > > Actually, when it costs me $49. to re-ink a cheap printer and only $39. > to buy a new one, is is almost easier to simply swap the old one out, that's why i don't buy ink printer. Because it's so costly to reink. Compared to my laser that prints ca 7000 pages for 25$ cartridge. Original costs almost 100$ but polish-produced compatible one is as good if not better. > then give it away as a donation and take the tax credit. I have actually > done that by the way. Everything that allows you not to pay tax is a good thing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:00:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391391065705 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:00:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D038FC18 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SL09M2063016; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:00:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SL09s1063013; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:00:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:00:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Frederique Rijsdijk In-Reply-To: <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de><744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com><065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org><20090527124014.6998139c@gom><20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:00:18 -0000 > Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. > > I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is their decision. It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do this, and this list turn to <1% on topic. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:00:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6F11065899 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA0E8FC0A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4SKwgdx059981; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:58:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n4SKwgIS059980; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:58:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:58:42 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Bill Moran Message-ID: <20090528205842.GB59897@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:00:39 -0000 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 04:54:53PM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:05 -0500 > "Gary Gatten" wrote: > > > Is this forum intended to ask "specific" type questions and hope to get > > specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, > > theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? > > [snip] > > Stop whining. > > This list has been around of a LOOOONG time. The rules haven't changed > in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the > time. > > The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a > flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand > scheme of things. You got it. A voice from experience. This has also been my experience for the last about a dozen years I have been on. Geez, has it been that long. I'm getting old -- or is that OT... :-P ////jerry > > -Bill > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:01:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EEB10656B8 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE088FC1A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SL1de0063035; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:01:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SL1drh063032; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:01:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:01:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bill Moran In-Reply-To: <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:01:48 -0000 > > This list has been around of a LOOOONG time. The rules haven't changed > in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the > time. But there are more and more new "users". It will not work that way another 10 years. > The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a > flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand It will be 30 days/month soon. Not flamewars, but off-topic noise. Soon it will turn into KDE/CUPS/PHP/MYSQL/(add 100 other apps here) support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:04:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D14C1065841 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D74B8FC33 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4SL28E9060047; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:02:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n4SL28oM060046; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:02:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:02:08 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090528210208.GC59897@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Gary Gatten , Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:04:04 -0000 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:01:39PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >This list has been around of a LOOOONG time. The rules haven't changed > >in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the > >time. > > But there are more and more new "users". It will not work that way another > 10 years. The sky is falling! Yes, Chicken Little. Do they have that story in Poland? I don't remember seeing it when I was there, but then, I wasn't looking at children's books at the time. ////jerry > > >The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a > >flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand > > It will be 30 days/month soon. Not flamewars, but off-topic noise. > > Soon it will turn into KDE/CUPS/PHP/MYSQL/(add 100 other apps here) > support. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:05:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB2E10659DB for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412E18FC44 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4SL3aGn060065; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:03:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n4SL3aQE060064; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:03:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:03:36 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090528210336.GD59897@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Frederique Rijsdijk , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:05:32 -0000 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:00:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. > > > >I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? > > Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. > > FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do > is their decision. Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list. ////jerry > > It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do > this, and this list turn to <1% on topic. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:06:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6406C10656AB for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:06:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B498FC50 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SL67OY063093 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:06:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SL67NW063090 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:06:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:06:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:06:15 -0000 > Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers > actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world > county or the EU would probably sue them. for setting up open standard? why? while i probably have similar (or worse) opinion about EU, to which Poland is now slowly losing independence, i never heard about any EU process for setting up OPEN standard. They are rather experts of suing Micro$oft. This is just one another way of taking tax from us, Microsoft just pays the fine, divides it by amount of sold windoze licences and add this to price, while still doing things the same as before. But it's not a problem for me, i don't buy windows so i don't have to pay that tax. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:07:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37BF106584A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAA88FC52 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47BF3D342; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:07:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4SL6wV4011075; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:06:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:06:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090528230658.55294c86.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090528164310.70f30aae@scorpio> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528180334.935932be.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528164310.70f30aae@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:07 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:43:10 -0400, Jerry wrote: > You statement, "buy > things to HAVE them" makes no sense. I may politely disagree. I know several people who bought a new high-end PC and stuff for more than 3000 Euro and are treating it as a worse typewriter. Some stuff has never been used - it just sits on the table to make its ownler look wealthy and smart. > Of course they buy something > because they want it. In some cases, they want it in order to have it (or the intention to show it to others). > Do you buy products that you do not want? If I needed the product... okay, that can be seen as wanting, too. For example, I didn't want to buy a HP Laserjet 4000 duplex, but requirements made me need it - I was completely comfortable with the Laserjet 4. > And > yes, I buy things to have them. Why else would I buy them? The statement was like "ONLY to have them" (with the slight connotation of "have them, but not use them"). > Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want. Any first > year business student knows that. And because many customers simply do not know what they need, and in conclusion do not know what they want, seem to want the same as the rich neighbor has - or "the same pictures like at work". > The statement that "The worst > solution always prevails" is totally bogus. Is it? I don't think so. USB, for example, was fine for things like keyboards and mice, but is used for nearly everything today - even in the times of USB 1 that was really slow and needed polling (instead of IRQ); inkjet printers, inferior in price and quality to laser printers; flat panel screens with strange color interpretation; the mouse with only two buttons; autodetection that does not work; CDs and DVDs not the size of a MD; "Windows", ... I could go on for hours. :-) It's just my personal observation that is confirmed nearly every day. > >Low enough that making products for them isn't a business. > > > >>> As windows user may get scared hearing the word "unix", [...] > > Yes, vary similar to how unix users feel about "plug & play". Personally, I don't have a problem with plug & play. All my hardware works that way: I plug it in, and it just works. This has nothing to do with "Windows" - I have it in UNIX all day long. :-) Furthermore, UNIX doesn't exist in the "Windows" zone. > Actually, when it costs me $49. to re-ink a cheap printer and only $39. > to buy a new one, is is almost easier to simply swap the old one out, > then give it away as a donation and take the tax credit. I have actually > done that by the way. For example, I'd accept inkjet printers only with full cartridges. If empty, I'd throw it away. :-) No, seriously: I don't own an inkjet printer and never have, and I think I never will, instead save some money for a color laser printer, but actually, I don't need to print in color. I have a neighbor who does this kindfully for me (but I never used that service). > Actually, I have an old Canon bubble jet 6000 that still works although > it is on its last legs and probably ten years old. That's the good thing with older hardware: It seems to last longer than "modern" stuff. As I said, I own a Laserjet 4 for more than 12 years now and always heavily used it. My keyboard is even older, nearly 20 years old. Let's see how much "modern" stuff from today will still work in 2030. :-) > In any case, with > most simple printers being dirt cheap, why should I care it they last > twenty years or not. Throw-away society. > Now, buying a $3000 color laser jet is a totally > different matter. Yes, definitely not my price class at the moment. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:07:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3931065868 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79EE8FC3A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SL7aec063107; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:07:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SL7aiB063104; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:07:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:07:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090528210336.GD59897@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <20090528210336.GD59897@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Frederique Rijsdijk , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:46 -0000 >> FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do >> is their decision. > > Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the > system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list. it's not that much work. The traffic won't be high From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:13:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2993310656CD for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57BA8FC16 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F9A7EBC0A; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:12:59 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:13:01 -0000 In response to Wojciech Puchar : > > > > This list has been around of a LOOOONG time. The rules haven't changed > > in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the > > time. > > But there are more and more new "users". It will not work that way another > 10 years. It's funny, that's the same thing that was being said 10 years ago. In the 70s, they claimed that by the year 2000, there would be 3 billion people on earth, and over half of them would be starving because we wouldn't be able to produce enough food. There are now over 6 bil, and the % of starving people is lower than ever. I have a book from the 80s that predicts that we'll run out of oil by the year 2000 and have to find another source to power our cars before then. The book has graphs showing the available reserves and usage and everything. The math all works out. After 30 years of hearing doom and gloom predictions, I can't even take them seriously any more. When the news about swine flue first came out and the "experts" were predicting how many people would die, I just started laughing out loud. And I'm laughing at you right now. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:23:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A2D106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90008FC1C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SLNGQG063212; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:23:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SLNG2L063209; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:23:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:23:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bill Moran In-Reply-To: <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:23:25 -0000 >> But there are more and more new "users". It will not work that way another >> 10 years. > > It's funny, that's the same thing that was being said 10 years ago. and isn't that list ALREADY much worse, mostly 2-3 last years? > > In the 70s, they claimed that by the year 2000, there would be 3 billion > people on earth, and over half of them would be starving because we > wouldn't be able to produce enough food. There are now over 6 bil, > and the % of starving people is lower than ever. > I have a book from the 80s that predicts that we'll run out of oil by > the year 2000 and have to find another source to power our cars before > then. The book has graphs showing the available reserves and usage > and everything. The math all works out. both statements were produced by people that have political interest in saying that! Now they put into people brain about nonexistent human-caused global warming for example. Not only within last 6 years average earth temperature goes down, but it was actually more hot long time ago. In Poland until 12 century malaria was common disease. Then it disappeared as climate changed to cold enough to kill these parasites. They even repeat that ices are constantly melting. Yes they are, in the same time new is constantly built up, like it is for thousands of years. MOST FUNNY - "Arctic ices are malting so fast, and when they will melt water level will raise many meters high. Countries like holland will be flooded". It's really funny that people with not just primary school, but university papers believe that when ice floating on water will melt, water level will go up. All this politician's tricks works only because people are by average just dumb. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:34:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A3C106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:34:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F02B8FC12 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:34:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4SLYCHQ017178; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:34:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0324477CA1; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:34:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AB977C9D; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:34:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 May 2009 16:34:11 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:33:26 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What is this forum for? Thread-Index: Acnf2qbNZcpVkM9xTmmA+CEVgWKfjgAAOQoA References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com><20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com><20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Wojciech Puchar" , "Bill Moran" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2009 21:34:11.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A262140:01C9DFDC] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:34:43 -0000 WAY OT, but I agree by average most people are not very smart. However, a great deal of the ice people claim will melt and flood the world is NOT currently floating in oceans, seas, etc. Al Gore invented this myth just as he invented the internet... I wish I could spew worthless drivel and get a Nobel for it.=20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:23 PM To: Bill Moran Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? >> But there are more and more new "users". It will not work that way another >> 10 years. > > It's funny, that's the same thing that was being said 10 years ago. and isn't that list ALREADY much worse, mostly 2-3 last years? > > In the 70s, they claimed that by the year 2000, there would be 3 billion > people on earth, and over half of them would be starving because we > wouldn't be able to produce enough food. There are now over 6 bil, > and the % of starving people is lower than ever. > I have a book from the 80s that predicts that we'll run out of oil by > the year 2000 and have to find another source to power our cars before > then. The book has graphs showing the available reserves and usage > and everything. The math all works out. both statements were produced by people that have political interest in=20 saying that! Now they put into people brain about nonexistent human-caused global=20 warming for example. Not only within last 6 years average earth temperature goes down, but it was actually more hot long time ago. In Poland until 12 century malaria was common disease. Then it disappeared=20 as climate changed to cold enough to kill these parasites. They even repeat that ices are constantly melting. Yes they are, in the=20 same time new is constantly built up, like it is for thousands of years. MOST FUNNY - "Arctic ices are malting so fast, and when they will melt=20 water level will raise many meters high. Countries like holland will be=20 flooded". It's really funny that people with not just primary school, but university=20 papers believe that when ice floating on water will melt, water level will=20 go up. All this politician's tricks works only because people are by average just=20 dumb. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:38:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E72106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com (mail-gx0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC818FC1E for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so312504gxk.19 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:38:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8fDj49Y4O8a5z++qIqNKRwr/EZSU8ImEY4oOuG+0vzQ=; b=SOw2ItToD4dFq1H4Jfd4ubSBkr/pVIYA4IJ+TmMrHng2WEwotYsD1PkGDSd/cU8bIe JNOM8b5IcXlhOxqOzL037Ozm13csVWleIIuBkbNUGb2oZTSI6KijKq75A5GOXPK+9kbt rthA/kczAXkIRQX99mEbp1XlhxW7Oe5n1RBXc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=B4M/HpINUULZyFQow76jV8uTBTSMrSnof+Pw0vrG8bLonE7GbAi4UuMULJ9FVwq24w w8sqlvvzZG/Nmcu171FT9/csaWjcw1YmIBVnK9dEegsMDv/r7hfSgRjxFhuq3JMBXHTc 7OmT3sBRvy+pDpH7IG70tFgIWCskeHFzbUii0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.39.141 with SMTP id g13mr724517ibe.34.1243546727658; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:38:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:38:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Gary Gatten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:38:48 -0000 2009/5/28 Gary Gatten : > Is this forum intended . . . > "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient > =A0and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. > =A0If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > =A0any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email > =A0and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. =A0If you have > =A0received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by > =A0return email and delete this email from your system." I'm sorry that I am legally unable to reply to such confidential information. Please reply with a security clarence penetration code and $40(forty United States Dinars) for bee^H^H^Hprocessing fees. Furthermore, since you have implicitly breeched my confidentiality rules (which cannot be disclos'd at this time), I will require a further $40(ninety United States Dolors) as "Hush" money. Respectfully, Roland Burris, Esq. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:38:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470831065670 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590018FC12 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:38:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SLckPn063437; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SLck6u063434; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com><20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com><20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:38:55 -0000 > WAY OT, but I agree by average most people are not very smart. However, Where the word "average" is important. Anyway within thousands of years politicians never been so successful in brainwashing as today. > a great deal of the ice people claim will melt and flood the world is > NOT currently floating in oceans, seas, etc. i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that will flood. Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:44:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E221106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110658FC24 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:43:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4SLhOOh025312; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:43:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 3450977E2E; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:43:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA3B77E39; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:43:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 May 2009 16:43:23 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:42:23 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDF1@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What is this forum for? Thread-Index: Acnf3MLlG0htid9oRdWZWbDkbyMdhAAADnEQ References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2009 21:43:23.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[5321CBA0:01C9DFDD] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:44:01 -0000 LMAO! Yes, someone else pointed this out to me. I can't control what the = email admins append to my messages. I'll ASK if it can be removed for this= list or use a different email system or something, but it might take a few= days so be patient with me. -----Original Message----- From: illoai@gmail.com [mailto:illoai@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:39 PM To: Gary Gatten Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? 2009/5/28 Gary Gatten : > Is this forum intended . . . > "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient > =A0and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. > =A0If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > =A0any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email > =A0and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. =A0If you have > =A0received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by > =A0return email and delete this email from your system." I'm sorry that I am legally unable to reply to such confidential information. Please reply with a security clarence penetration code and $40(forty United States Dinars) for bee^H^H^Hprocessing fees. Furthermore, since you have implicitly breeched my confidentiality rules (which cannot be disclos'd at this time), I will require a further $40(ninety United States Dolors) as "Hush" money. Respectfully, Roland Burris, Esq. --=20 --
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:48:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064BF106567A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redtick@sbcglobal.net) Received: from web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B881C8FC20 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redtick@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 49578 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2009 21:21:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1243545719; bh=pEeHp2raKaQUmCn5mpo99IW8FJ5790gqv+O82PrPdes=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=edzihaygNdHzsqOST1A2Z2qdw1v+lxcoIGb4RIKW5Ph3o+tY0AxnfieUgdGvlkH28qjw8/d4r5fGcq19QI8Gg4aVdr2HWg2o+pjL1R/gJCO86i5W95Rnbjc2h5kSUxkHfaIgUYhhFRQjTrWHhzvw8FVCwYR0RnKlCR/aU+eYaYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OQum52HwNoD9fUIRks5PWudMrqse83eQITZ49yp0JIVTn0uy4zmKXrdTiolRtpvHDAdaUvO7GxJz83uGXthDXU7tF+RLpCQG/WpSn8J52RiCkbfDo1ip23V77wBEHs7U+ZmmOxUJHbxxGfsU+IO2HeUTrYtGkssIft+4+/S55+4=; Message-ID: <375910.46987.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 69VGOjkVM1m0WMZLiLMCOxku8dWR18vDgzwS559N88qug9ibf.ea1cFDi1vUUM0avc_PePPAuWBEOZBI2N4_Pjwcxj.gdfEhdcD0nFfd7kxUgIIqbV5fjVJ46Ns0Gl4rhuaR2ImW0yYxC_tSEUknfc1V2ORgpGHreB1rjshj1URFBDjSsotzvkPsicjsghUL.uKkdq_x5zfEbptcrvaBTwwHxKnYUDPs1_zP7ZAO07xpTvyINvQ6hYEqZlGwfHPVb3FMI6CpN174CNsPChWDpHGVT_br7zehqJ_v5fJzMJ6pJK7hrlPQs3an4Kfrsv82WIl71lxgbrlOsZDL2RcTXwEimQF_s7Qhinvv Received: from [75.41.234.82] by web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 May 2009 14:21:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Busby To: help help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:48:40 -0000 --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Bill Moran wrote: > From: Bill Moran > Subject: Re: What is this forum for? > To: "Wojciech Puchar" > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 4:12 PM > In response to Wojciech Puchar : > > > > > > This list has been around of a LOOOONG > time.=A0 The rules haven't changed > > > in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and > the list works 99% of the > > > time. > >=20 > > But there are more and more new "users". It will not > work that way another=20 > > 10 years. >=20 > It's funny, that's the same thing that was being said 10 > years ago. >=20 > In the 70s, they claimed that by the year 2000, there would > be 3 billion > people on earth, and over half of them would be starving > because we > wouldn't be able to produce enough food.=A0 There are > now over 6 bil, > and the % of starving people is lower than ever. >=20 > I have a book from the 80s that predicts that we'll run out > of oil by > the year 2000 and have to find another source to power our > cars before > then.=A0 The book has graphs showing the available > reserves and usage > and everything.=A0 The math all works out. >=20 > After 30 years of hearing doom and gloom predictions, I > can't even take > them seriously any more.=A0 When the news about swine > flue first came out > and the "experts" were predicting how many people would > die, I just started > laughing out loud. >=20 > And I'm laughing at you right now. >=20 There is more profit in preaching about doom and gloom. "Hey, don't worry it'll work out" will not get you a multi-million dollar s= tudy grant.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:49:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7C1106566C for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E418FC28 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4SLmTxM029563; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:48:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FCCA8A5CD; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:48:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284F08A5E8; Thu, 28 May 2009 16:48:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 May 2009 16:48:28 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:47:52 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDF2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What is this forum for? Thread-Index: Acnf3MZnYK3NR09zToCcvu2H2s0XLAAAJQ/Q References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com><20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com><20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Wojciech Puchar" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2009 21:48:28.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[09363110:01C9DFDE] Cc: Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:49:05 -0000 Agree floating ice that melts will do nothing (directly) to level of global ocean waters. PERHAPS indirectly somehow (salt water / fresh water density, currents, temps, etc.) - but not directly. Problem is with all the land based ice that will melt or possibly melt. That's potentially very bad. The whole "Climate Change" is very interesting discussion, but I can no longer contribute to the problem I "whine" about, so I bid you a good day! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:39 PM To: Gary Gatten Cc: Bill Moran; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What is this forum for? > WAY OT, but I agree by average most people are not very smart. However, Where the word "average" is important. Anyway within thousands of years=20 politicians never been so successful in brainwashing as today. > a great deal of the ice people claim will melt and flood the world is > NOT currently floating in oceans, seas, etc. i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that will=20 flood. Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation is=20 enough to prove that water level will not change at all.
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 21:49:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDE31065673 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:49:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA498FC32 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wyBQ1b00216LCl0559pGgA; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:49:16 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x9pE1b00j1f6R9u3S9pFtD; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:49:16 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 28 May 2009 14:49:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:49:13 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528214913.GA76901@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528201627.GA40874@kokopelli.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090528201627.GA40874@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.x X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:49:17 -0000 On Thu 28 May 2009 at 13:16:28 PDT Chad Perrin wrote: >It's usually on topic. It gets off-topic more often when W. Puchar >chips in, though. Only because some people can't resist the temptation to chide him for not saying the "right" things in the "right" way. Really. In every case I've seen where one of these flamewars has erupted, it's because someone took it upon himself to make a personal attack in response to something Wojciech said. Maybe he is just trolling -- saying provocative things in order to get people to make that kind of response. But even if he is, the people who criticize him are just as responsible for these lengthy threads. Probably more, in my opinion. Kill this thread now. Please. And next time, show some restraint. (That my last two cents. I don't have any more,) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 22:04:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA49106567E for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C7B8FC25 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SM4Wqh063622; Fri, 29 May 2009 00:04:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SM4U97063619; Fri, 29 May 2009 00:04:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:04:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Charlie Kester In-Reply-To: <20090528214913.GA76901@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528201627.GA40874@kokopelli.hydra> <20090528214913.GA76901@comcast.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:04:49 -0000 > Only because some people can't resist the temptation to chide him for > not saying the "right" things in the "right" way. > > Really. In every case I've seen where one of these flamewars has > erupted, it's because someone took it upon himself to make a personal > attack in response to something Wojciech said. > > Maybe he is just trolling -- saying provocative things in order to get Could you please look back and find an example of my statements that looks like provocation? You will find for sure examples that i am by different ways, clearly state that someone talks nonsense, but no provocation. It's not my favourite game. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 22:43:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC7B1065672 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f164.google.com (mail-ew0-f164.google.com [209.85.219.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7778FC13 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:43:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so2379159ewy.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:43:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YXWtq5cIfaJWnuDH5uMKauZuy8s2Z5AGTl7kHypw4og=; b=u3gQJLuDKPfyOkPcMgg23Hwpce3DM29rFEMNU4a9wzNtjI5tHtkvzT7Ht1vnYWV7Ly DVR4mC0sXMTmaDkNOYfGXQ+4YDmM8vGq9QVT8kTjd47sc2IiffEIU7hXlzNmnEMaW6YN mZ+DTMZAIiEj4HjN/ZiYJuFaq7Yb9e366qtek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=F7FwpC+P6JIF/xh//NE1SqPJ5yKmoG9ZaJrUNziTiQYPXhi9VE1njfR85nl3xMd7RO 3SuMEP3rX1YSI5lU/bmmrM5Ub0+/UZZBmqINVd4AtY3IrWgbynvX/fTiqNrHxYqW4+Vg zGSSpsJJlB6wu7h4eM+i1oq0H8TUQ/Xfy+E7U= Received: by 10.210.37.11 with SMTP id k11mr3415364ebk.3.1243550613050; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm1245546eyg.14.2009.05.28.15.43.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 May 2009 15:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:43:29 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:43:34 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that > will flood. > > Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation > is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. Even for you this is a new low. When you learned about Archimedes principle did they not teach you about thermal expansion - or did you just assume that as the ice melts everything remains at the same temperature. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 22:53:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478E3106566B for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:53:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582A18FC17 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 22:53:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SMrsW0063845; Fri, 29 May 2009 00:53:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4SMrrwQ063842; Fri, 29 May 2009 00:53:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:53:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: RW In-Reply-To: <20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:53:58 -0000 >> is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. > > Even for you this is a new low. just another attack? you really can't discuss like a human? I think you can, but you like behave in "me too" style. others are agains, you must be too! about thermal expansion - water will be roughly the same temperature, maybe globally few degrees more. check out how much water expands really. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 28 23:25:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BF106564A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@physik.tu-berlin.de) Received: from mail.tu-berlin.de (mail.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.7.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2038FC23 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 23:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@physik.tu-berlin.de) X-tubIT-Incoming-IP: 130.149.58.163 Received: from mail.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.58.163] helo=mail.physik.tu-berlin.de) by mail.tu-berlin.de (exim-4.69/mailfrontend-d) with esmtp id 1M9oy7-0001tX-Kq; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:25:03 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by mail.physik.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643C611402; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:25:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at physik.tu-berlin.de Received: from mail.physik.tu-berlin.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jaM0IEPOBE5n; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.physik.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20E6811401; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4SNOwSW076534; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:24:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4SNOwpT076533; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:24:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:24:58 +0200 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: Iv Ray Message-ID: <20090528232458.GB21210@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-tubIT-Score: 0.0 () Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD in a cloud X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:25:05 -0000 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:35:05PM +0200, Iv Ray wrote: > Does anyone know a place to host FreeBSD in a cloud? Nope, but i heard amazon and some FreeBSD people are working on this. AFAIK it's dependent on the used Hypervisor and works with latest version of Xen (the freebsd wiki says so at least). > Rackspace offer quite interesting cloud servers via www.mosso.com - > but they claim they run only Linux. > > We have had FreeBSD with Rackspace for over 5 years (though they > refuse to officially support it) and I cannot understand if they > cannot or do not want to run it in the cloud. cheers, leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 00:06:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03781065674 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 00:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f164.google.com (mail-ew0-f164.google.com [209.85.219.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732EB8FC19 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 00:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so2429369ewy.43 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:06:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tq5JbfhmOvtLhE3Eie68O0scPvtyPD/5sy58JUAMsKY=; b=d/ras71N+1kCIE8RcwHDSD/pjYMQJJ1FGbT0q2gDAF2karO3WeFHTrEAES+9YJ6YS+ mC31Xn8YiWF2qLmk5nOfqHmlqLz003sL31foNKeemathhHBvOn6UK+NelAhlINHBsJJp YBgP8AtM5r/70Ulj2cselArYS9Quo6REE5eIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uCtHnDAyJTezeyuLulE6tjd84YJqi37Bg/Li6F3ZFPWA0cAgN1p95BIJs7L8PIBayH ZfbdjovuYX2iZ1N68ayNLYpLoGryycqFZv/9G4ZSHj+pE26mbWImKbdIOffbPY55Cq1G 8F4sjRvJPpLsGOEoZ5MvKAMRNo1qy7bOWfFjk= Received: by 10.210.126.18 with SMTP id y18mr1725300ebc.3.1243555617644; Thu, 28 May 2009 17:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm1366421eyx.43.2009.05.28.17.06.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 May 2009 17:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:06:51 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090529010651.591d80b7@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:06:59 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 00:53:53 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. > > > > Even for you this is a new low. > > just another attack? you really can't discuss like a human? I think > you can, but you like behave in "me too" style. others are agains, > you must be too! Do you not think it's a bit arrogant to ridicule the climate scientists based on what you yourself referred to as "knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation"? > about thermal expansion - water will be roughly the same temperature, > maybe globally few degrees more. check out how much water expands > really. > It's not just the melt water, it's the temperature of the water in the oceans, which is maintained by convection currents. Most of the water in the world is held at 2-4 Celsius by these currents. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 01:25:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000F9106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from smtp117.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp117.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AECE8FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 79421 invoked from network); 29 May 2009 01:25:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=rU03D9pnQmbD0UwJ5f/1vOej0ndMZfo0HNN3dm3NlPcX29kXw6yGV696nAu1Fva7VhHDNNw5VNBr8OD4dC/4bcRs/jWKkej4ojquUveGZT24x4DbViP7XGWSBRix9Yu9ousmERRCoo2JpNWUPbH0po6z688oyz+yQEs/06PNyQ0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO napoleon.localnet) (mike.jeays@99.224.61.141 with plain) by smtp117.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 01:25:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rSrs2qEVM1l97pRODhAQIVhMVJt752eD0v9jcbFf8R3vdhqaycfncmSLgRt_nVfKAQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:25:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.4 (Linux/2.6.27-14-generic; KDE/4.1.4; i686; ; ) References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20090529010651.591d80b7@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090529010651.591d80b7@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200905282125.30294.mike.jeays@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:25:33 -0000 On May 28, 2009 08:06:51 pm RW wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 2009 00:53:53 +0200 (CEST) > > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >> is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. > > > > > > Even for you this is a new low. > > > > just another attack? you really can't discuss like a human? I think > > you can, but you like behave in "me too" style. others are agains, > > you must be too! > > Do you not think it's a bit arrogant to ridicule the climate scientists > based on what you yourself referred to as "knowledge from primary school > physics and no single calculation"? > > > about thermal expansion - water will be roughly the same temperature, > > maybe globally few degrees more. check out how much water expands > > really. > > It's not just the melt water, it's the temperature of the water in > the oceans, which is maintained by convection currents. Most of the > water in the world is held at 2-4 Celsius by these currents. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Now you guys are really off topic. Try moving it to alt.dev.null, and let the rest of us ask and answer questions about FreeBSD, please. -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca http://www.rotarycpmm.ca From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 01:46:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14325106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:46:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from being49431985@rambler.ru) Received: from mxa.rambler.ru (mxa.rambler.ru [81.19.66.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5D98FC13 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:46:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from being49431985@rambler.ru) Received: from mcgi70.rambler.ru (mcgi70.rambler.ru [81.19.67.207]) by mxa.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E89E7A7F2 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:31:15 +0400 (MSD) Received: from mcgi70.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi70.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F84115ED for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:31:14 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [213.33.211.158] by mcgi70.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Fri, 29 May 2009 05:31:12 +0400 From: =?windows-1251?B?4O3/IOLw7uTl?= To: Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 05:31:12 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Message-Id: <1029632347.1243560672.74886648.89128@mcgi70.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (mail-pda), http://mail.rambler.ru Subject: hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:46:36 -0000 http://pills21abc.newmail.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 02:48:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27041065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 02:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDF78FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 02:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA1CEB57B1; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:47:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3024450ED; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:47:59 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2nGB1dBsU0JL; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:47:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl59-123.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.186.123]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821AE450D0; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:47:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T2lx6k088440; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:47:59 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4T2lwcW088439; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:47:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 05:47:58 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Thu, 28 May 2009 23:00:09 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 02:48:02 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:00:09 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. >> >> I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? > > Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. > > FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is > their decision. > > It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do > this, and this list turn to <1% on topic. The only problem with that sort of reasoning is that the FreeBSD mailing list charters *have* been decided. There is a reason why freebsd-questions is open to everyone, including people who want to discuss things like ``How do I make my Windows boot loader launch FreeBSD?''. This way people who are not subscribed to the mailing list can still post their question and receive _helpful_ answers like ``Sure, add this line to your C:\BOOT.INI file and you are ready to start using FreeBSD''. My impression from hanging around this mailing list for several years now (It's almost a decade now, geez! When did all that time pass?) is that the openness and the all-around friendly character of ``If your question is even marginally related to a small part of FreeBSD and we can help, we'll do it'' is a valued and much-cherished attribute of the list. A lot of the people who hang around here like it this way, and what you propose to do is such a radical change that it requires a *lot* of up-front work if you really want to convince anyone. You do have a point that there is a very thin line between ``being very helpful to new people'' and ``talking about irrelevant systems all the time'', but it is my impression that you have not provided convincing arguments about the need for another moderated list or even the need for more strict ``rules'' in this one. The main argument for launching a moderated list seems to be ``We have to do this or we are doomed to be flooded with useless non-FreeBSD posts''. This is very hard to prove, however, without having actually seen it happen in this very same list, so that's why you get a lot of resistance to the idea from old-time mailing list posters. One way to see if there is indeed a lot of off-topic traffic or if the volume of off-topic posts has any sort of upwards trend is to: (a) Define *precisely* and in very clear terms what you consider on topic and what you consider off-topic. (b) Download the freebsd-questions archives from our public web site. They are openly shared with anyone interested to get them. (c) Go through the archives by year and/or month and keep statistics about things like: thread size, active posters per period, posts per period, off-topic/on-topic ratio of messages, and so on. Then, with a verifiable, documented and repeatable way to repeat the experiment, you can present graphs that stand a far better chance of proving or disproving the hypothesis that ``the sky is falling if we don't moderate freebsd-questions''. This sort of approach would probably meet a lot less resistance, because it is repeatable by anyone who wants to verify your results, and it is based on the actual *data* of the mailing list itself, instead of a hand-wavy interpretation of personal opinions like ``trust me, I've seen this happen before''. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 04:30:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61806106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DCF8FC14 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1905E246 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:30:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.894 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.894 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.706, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id YQuL0QYYvf3S for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:30:08 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273C05E28B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:30:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 06:30:07 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090407) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 04:30:29 -0000 When I try to startx my screen goes black for a while and then it returns to the prompt. At the screen I see this The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but has 2 symbols > Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed Protocol not supported by server My xorg.conf is the same as it was before I made the fresh install. I've tried to remove xorg.conf and let everything be autodetected. I see no apparent errors apart from that the Xorg.0.log stops at the same point independent of which driver (none, nv, nvidia or vesa) is loaded. Any hints what to try? Thanks /Leslie --------------------- snip ------------------------ Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.6.1 Release Date: 2009-4-14 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 Current Operating System: FreeBSD blj01.no-ip.org 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Build Date: 27 May 2009 08:19:08PM Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri May 29 05:51:49 2009 (II) Loader magic: 0x7a0 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 5.0 X.Org XInput driver : 4.0 X.Org Server Extension : 2.0 (II) Loader running on freebsd (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (--) using VT number 9 (--) PCI:*(0@5:0:0) nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS] rev 161, Mem @ 0xcf000000/16777216, 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xce000000/16777216, I/O @ 0x0000e800/128, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 (==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) (==) --- Start of built-in configuration --- Section "Device" Identifier "Builtin Default nv Device 0" Driver "nv" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" Device "Builtin Default nv Device 0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" Driver "vesa" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" Device "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" Driver "fbdev" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" Device "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Builtin Default Layout" Screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" Screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" Screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" EndSection (==) --- End of built-in configuration --- (==) ServerLayout "Builtin Default Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "" (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default nv Device 0" (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0". Using a default monitor configuration. (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" (1) (**) | |-->Monitor "" (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0". Using a default monitor configuration. (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" (2) (**) | |-->Monitor "" (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0". Using a default monitor configuration. (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (==) FontPath set to: /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/, built-ins (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" (II) Cannot locate a core pointer device. (II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device. (II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable AllowEmptyInput. (II) System resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) Loading extension X-Resource (II) LoadModule: "dbe" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdbe.so (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 180.44 Mon Mar 23 06:01:17 PST 2009 (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: "record" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//librecord.so (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "dri2" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri2.so (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DRI2 (II) LoadModule: "nv" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so (II) Module nv: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 2.1.13 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) LoadModule: "vesa" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 2.1.0 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) LoadModule: "fbdev" (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fbdev (II) UnloadModule: "fbdev" (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) (II) NV: driver for NVIDIA chipsets: RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, Unknown TNT2, Vanta, RIVA TNT2 Ultra, RIVA TNT2 Model 64, Aladdin TNT2, GeForce 256, GeForce DDR, Quadro, GeForce2 MX/MX 400, GeForce2 MX 100/200, GeForce2 Go, Quadro2 MXR/EX/Go, GeForce2 Integrated GPU, GeForce2 GTS, GeForce2 Ti, GeForce2 Ultra, Quadro2 Pro, GeForce4 MX 460, GeForce4 MX 440, GeForce4 MX 420, GeForce4 MX 440-SE, GeForce4 440 Go, GeForce4 420 Go, GeForce4 420 Go 32M, GeForce4 460 Go, Quadro4 550 XGL, GeForce4 440 Go 64M, Quadro NVS, Quadro4 500 GoGL, GeForce4 410 Go 16M, GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X, GeForce4 MX 440SE with AGP8X, GeForce4 MX 420 with AGP8X, GeForce4 MX 4000, GeForce4 448 Go, GeForce4 488 Go, Quadro4 580 XGL, Quadro4 NVS 280 SD, Quadro4 380 XGL, Quadro NVS 50 PCI, GeForce4 448 Go, GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU, GeForce3, GeForce3 Ti 200, GeForce3 Ti 500, Quadro DCC, GeForce4 Ti 4600, GeForce4 Ti 4400, GeForce4 Ti 4200, Quadro4 900 XGL, Quadro4 750 XGL, Quadro4 700 XGL, GeForce4 Ti 4800, GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X, GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE, GeForce4 4200 Go, Quadro4 700 GoGL, Quadro4 980 XGL, Quadro4 780 XGL, GeForce FX 5800 Ultra, GeForce FX 5800, Quadro FX 2000, Quadro FX 1000, GeForce FX 5600 Ultra, GeForce FX 5600, GeForce FX 5600XT, GeForce FX Go5600, GeForce FX Go5650, Quadro FX Go700, GeForce FX 5200, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra, GeForce FX 5200, GeForce FX 5200LE, GeForce FX Go5200, GeForce FX Go5250, GeForce FX 5500, GeForce FX 5100, GeForce FX Go5200 32M/64M, Quadro NVS 55/280 PCI, Quadro FX 500/600 PCI, GeForce FX Go53xx Series, GeForce FX Go5100, GeForce FX 5900 Ultra, GeForce FX 5900, GeForce FX 5900XT, GeForce FX 5950 Ultra, GeForce FX 5900ZT, Quadro FX 3000, Quadro FX 700, GeForce FX 5700 Ultra, GeForce FX 5700, GeForce FX 5700LE, GeForce FX 5700VE, GeForce FX Go5700, GeForce FX Go5700, Quadro FX Go1000, Quadro FX 1100, GeForce 6800 Ultra, GeForce 6800, GeForce 6800 LE, GeForce 6800 XE, GeForce 6800 XT, GeForce 6800 GT, GeForce 6800 GT, GeForce 6800 GS, GeForce 6800 XT, Quadro FX 4000, GeForce 6800 GS, GeForce 6800, GeForce 6800 LE, GeForce 6800 XT, GeForce Go 6800, GeForce Go 6800 Ultra, Quadro FX Go1400, Quadro FX 3450/4000 SDI, Quadro FX 1400, GeForce 6600 GT, GeForce 6600, GeForce 6600 LE, GeForce 6600 VE, GeForce Go 6600, GeForce 6610 XL, GeForce Go 6600 TE/6200 TE, GeForce 6700 XL, GeForce Go 6600, GeForce Go 6600 GT, Quadro FX 550, Quadro FX 550, Quadro FX 540, GeForce 6200, GeForce 6500, GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM), GeForce 6200SE TurboCache(TM), GeForce 6200 LE, GeForce Go 6200, Quadro NVS 285, GeForce Go 6400, GeForce Go 6200, GeForce Go 6400, GeForce 6250, GeForce 7100 GS, GeForce 6800, GeForce 6800 LE, GeForce 6800 GT, GeForce 6800 XT, GeForce 6200, GeForce 6200 A-LE, GeForce 7800 GTX, GeForce 7800 GTX, GeForce 7800 GT, GeForce 7800 GS, GeForce 7800 SLI, GeForce Go 7800, GeForce Go 7800 GTX, Quadro FX 4500, GeForce 7300 LE, GeForce 7300 SE, GeForce Go 7200, GeForce Go 7300, GeForce Go 7400, GeForce Go 7400 GS, Quadro NVS 110M, Quadro NVS 120M, Quadro FX 350M, GeForce 7500 LE, Quadro FX 350, GeForce 7300 GS, GeForce 7600 GT, GeForce 7600 GS, GeForce 7300 GT, GeForce 7600 LE, GeForce 7300 GT, GeForce Go 7700, GeForce Go 7600, GeForce Go 7600 GT, Quadro NVS 300M, GeForce Go 7900 SE, Quadro FX 550M, Quadro FX 560, GeForce 7900 GTX, GeForce 7900 GT, GeForce 7900 GS, GeForce Go 7900 GS, GeForce Go 7900 GTX, Quadro FX 2500M, Quadro FX 1500M, Quadro FX 5500, Quadro FX 3500, Quadro FX 1500, Quadro FX 4500 X2, GeForce 6150, GeForce 6150 LE, GeForce 6100, GeForce Go 6150, GeForce Go 6100, GeForce 8800 GTX, GeForce 8800 GTS, GeForce 8800 Ultra, Quadro FX 5600, Quadro FX 4600, GeForce 8600 GTS, GeForce 8600 GT, GeForce 8600 GT, GeForce 8600 GS, GeForce 8400 GS, GeForce 9500M GS, GeForce 8600M GT, GeForce 9650M GS, GeForce 8700M GT, Quadro FX 370, Quadro NVS 320M, Quadro FX 570M, Quadro FX 1600M, Quadro FX 570, Quadro FX 1700, GeForce 8400 SE, GeForce 8500 GT, GeForce 8400 GS, GeForce 8300 GS, GeForce 8400 GS, GeForce 8600M GS, GeForce 8400M GT, GeForce 8400M GS, GeForce 8400M G, Quadro NVS 140M, Quadro NVS 130M, Quadro NVS 135M, GeForce 9400 GT, Quadro FX 360M, GeForce 9300M G, Quadro NVS 290, GeForce GTX 280, GeForce GTX 260, GeForce 8800 GTS 512, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 9800 GX2, GeForce 8800 GS, GeForce 8800M GTS, GeForce 8800M GTX, GeForce 8800 GS, GeForce 9600 GSO, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 9800 GTX, GeForce 9800 GTK+, GeForce 9800 GT, Quadro FX 3700, Quadro FX 3600M, GeForce 9600 GT, GeForce 9600 GS, GeForce 9800M GTS, GeForce 9700M GTS, GeForce 9800M GTS, GeForce 9500 GT, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce 9600M GS, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce 9500M G, GeForce 9300 GS, GeForce 8400 GS, GeForce 9300M GS, GeForce 9200M GS, GeForce 9300M GS, Quadro NVS 150M, Quadro NVS 160M (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa (II) Primary Device is: PCI 05@00:00:0 (--) NV: Found NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS at 05@00:00:0 (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libint10.so (II) Module int10: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) NV(0): Initializing int10 (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x20000) was already clear (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xc0000,0x40000) was already clear (II) NV(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (--) NV(0): Chipset: "GeForce 7600 GS" (II) NV(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" for depth/fbbpp 24/32 (==) NV(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) NV(0): RGB weight 888 (==) NV(0): Default visual is TrueColor (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libvgahw.so (II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (==) NV(0): Using HW cursor (--) NV(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xD0000000 (--) NV(0): MMIO registers at 0xCF000000 (II) Loading sub module "i2c" (II) LoadModule: "i2c" (II) Module "i2c" already built-in (II) Loading sub module "ddc" (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Module "ddc" already built-in (II) NV(0): I2C bus "DDC" initialized. (II) NV(0): Probing for analog device on output A... (--) NV(0): ...found one (II) NV(0): Probing for analog device on output B... (--) NV(0): ...can't find one (II) NV(0): Probing for EDID on I2C bus A... (II) NV(0): I2C device "DDC:E-EDID segment register" registered at address 0x60. (II) NV(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. (II) NV(0): ... none found (II) NV(0): Probing for EDID on I2C bus B... (II) NV(0): ... none found (--) NV(0): CRTC 0 appears to have a CRT attached (II) NV(0): Using CRT on CRTC 0 (--) NV(0): VideoRAM: 262144 kBytes (==) NV(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (II) NV(0): : Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz (II) NV(0): : Using default vrefresh range of 50.00-70.00 Hz (WW) NV(0): Unable to estimate virtual size (II) NV(0): Clock range: 12.00 to 400.00 MHz (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x400" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "320x200" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "720x400" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "360x200" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "576x432" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "832x624" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "416x312" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (--) NV(0): Virtual size is 800x600 (pitch 800) (**) NV(0): *Default mode "800x600": 40.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz) (**) NV(0): *Default mode "800x600": 36.0 MHz, 35.2 kHz, 56.2 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2 36.00 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz) (**) NV(0): *Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 59.9 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9 25.18 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz) (**) NV(0): *Default mode "400x300": 20.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz (D) (II) NV(0): Modeline "400x300"x60.3 20.00 400 420 484 528 300 300 302 314 doublescan +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz) (**) NV(0): *Default mode "400x300": 18.0 MHz, 35.2 kHz, 56.3 Hz (D) (II) NV(0): Modeline "400x300"x56.3 18.00 400 412 448 512 300 300 301 312 doublescan +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz) (**) NV(0): *Default mode "320x240": 12.6 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.1 Hz (D) (II) NV(0): Modeline "320x240"x60.1 12.59 320 328 376 400 240 245 246 262 doublescan -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz) (==) NV(0): DPI set to (96, 96) (II) Loading sub module "fb" (II) LoadModule: "fb" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libfb.so (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 (II) Loading sub module "xaa" (II) LoadModule: "xaa" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libxaa.so (II) Module xaa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.2.1 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" (II) Unloading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp (II) do I need RAC? No, I don't. (II) resource ranges after preInit: [0] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x10000) was already clear (II) NV(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion Solid Lines Scanline Image Writes Setting up tile and stipple cache: 32 128x128 slots 32 256x256 slots 16 512x512 slots (==) NV(0): Backing store disabled (==) NV(0): Silken mouse enabled (II) NV(0): DPMS enabled (==) RandR enabled (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) (II) config/hal: Adding input device USB Receiver (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.4.0 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0 (**) USB Receiver: Device: "/dev/sysmouse" (==) USB Receiver: Protocol: "Auto" (**) USB Receiver: always reports core events (**) Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" (==) USB Receiver: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (**) USB Receiver: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 (**) USB Receiver: Buttons: 9 (**) USB Receiver: Sensitivity: 1 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "USB Receiver" (type: MOUSE) (**) USB Receiver: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 (**) USB Receiver: (accel) filter chain progression: 2.00 (**) USB Receiver: (accel) filter stage 0: 20.00 ms (**) USB Receiver: (accel) set acceleration profile 0 (II) USB Receiver: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0 (II) USB Receiver: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse (II) config/hal: Adding input device AT Keyboard (II) LoadModule: "kbd" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//kbd_drv.so (II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.3.2 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0 (**) AT Keyboard: always reports core events (**) Option "Protocol" "standard" (**) AT Keyboard: Protocol: standard (**) Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30" (**) Option "XkbRules" "xorg" (**) AT Keyboard: XkbRules: "xorg" (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" (**) AT Keyboard: XkbModel: "pc105" (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" (**) AT Keyboard: XkbLayout: "us" (**) Option "CustomKeycodes" "off" (**) AT Keyboard: CustomKeycodes disabled (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD) (II) UnloadModule: "mouse" (II) UnloadModule: "kbd" --------------------- snip ------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 04:49:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48A9106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:49:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Received: from pukruppa.net (pukruppa.net [213.146.114.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B26A8FC08 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:49:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Received: from pukruppa.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pukruppa.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T4qRwq006923; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:52:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Received: from localhost (ulrich@localhost) by pukruppa.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4T4qQ3Y006918; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:52:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 06:52:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Ulrich Kruppa To: Leslie Jensen In-Reply-To: <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> Message-ID: References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 04:49:28 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > When I try to startx my screen goes black for a while and then it returns to > the prompt. > > At the screen I see this > > The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: >> Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but has 2 symbols >> Ignoring extra symbols > Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server > (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed > (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed > Protocol not supported by server Do you have dbus_enable="YES" hald_enable="YES" in your /etc/rc.conf ? If not: add them, reboot and try to create a new xorg.conf with # Xorg -configure Greetings Uli. > > > > My xorg.conf is the same as it was before I made the fresh install. I've > tried to remove xorg.conf and let everything be autodetected. I see no > apparent errors apart from that the Xorg.0.log stops at the same point > independent of which driver (none, nv, nvidia or vesa) is loaded. > > Any hints what to try? > > Thanks > /Leslie > > --------------------- snip ------------------------ > Xorg.0.log > > > X.Org X Server 1.6.1 > Release Date: 2009-4-14 > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 > Current Operating System: FreeBSD blj01.no-ip.org 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD > 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 > root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > Build Date: 27 May 2009 08:19:08PM > > Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org > to make sure that you have the latest version. > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. > (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri May 29 05:51:49 2009 > (II) Loader magic: 0x7a0 > (II) Module ABI versions: > X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 > X.Org Video Driver: 5.0 > X.Org XInput driver : 4.0 > X.Org Server Extension : 2.0 > (II) Loader running on freebsd > (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) > (--) using VT number 9 > > (--) PCI:*(0@5:0:0) nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS] rev 161, Mem @ > 0xcf000000/16777216, 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xce000000/16777216, I/O @ > 0x0000e800/128, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 > (==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) > (==) --- Start of built-in configuration --- > Section "Device" > Identifier "Builtin Default nv Device 0" > Driver "nv" > EndSection > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" > Device "Builtin Default nv Device 0" > EndSection > Section "Device" > Identifier "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" > Driver "vesa" > EndSection > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" > Device "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" > EndSection > Section "Device" > Identifier "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" > Driver "fbdev" > EndSection > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" > Device "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" > EndSection > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Builtin Default Layout" > Screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" > Screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" > Screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" > EndSection > (==) --- End of built-in configuration --- > (==) ServerLayout "Builtin Default Layout" > (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" (0) > (**) | |-->Monitor "" > (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default nv Device 0" > (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default nv Screen 0". > Using a default monitor configuration. > (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" (1) > (**) | |-->Monitor "" > (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default vesa Device 0" > (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0". > Using a default monitor configuration. > (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" (2) > (**) | |-->Monitor "" > (**) | |-->Device "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0" > (==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0". > Using a default monitor configuration. > (==) Automatically adding devices > (==) Automatically enabling devices > (==) FontPath set to: > /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, > /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, > /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF, > /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, > /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, > /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/, > built-ins > (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" > (II) Cannot locate a core pointer device. > (II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device. > (II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices. > If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable > AllowEmptyInput. > (II) System resource ranges: > [0] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] > [1] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] > [2] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] > [3] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] > [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] > (II) LoadModule: "extmod" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so > (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER > (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension > (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA > (II) Loading extension DPMS > (II) Loading extension XVideo > (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation > (II) Loading extension X-Resource > (II) LoadModule: "dbe" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdbe.so > (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER > (II) LoadModule: "glx" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so > (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 180.44 Mon Mar 23 06:01:17 PST 2009 > (II) Loading extension GLX > (II) LoadModule: "record" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//librecord.so > (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.13.0 > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > (II) Loading extension RECORD > (II) LoadModule: "dri" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so > (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI > (II) LoadModule: "dri2" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri2.so > (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > (II) Loading extension DRI2 > (II) LoadModule: "nv" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so > (II) Module nv: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 2.1.13 > Module class: X.Org Video Driver > ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 > (II) LoadModule: "vesa" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so > (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 2.1.0 > Module class: X.Org Video Driver > ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 > (II) LoadModule: "fbdev" > (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fbdev > (II) UnloadModule: "fbdev" > (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) > (II) NV: driver for NVIDIA chipsets: RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, > Unknown TNT2, Vanta, RIVA TNT2 Ultra, RIVA TNT2 Model 64, > Aladdin TNT2, GeForce 256, GeForce DDR, Quadro, GeForce2 MX/MX 400, > GeForce2 MX 100/200, GeForce2 Go, Quadro2 MXR/EX/Go, > GeForce2 Integrated GPU, GeForce2 GTS, GeForce2 Ti, GeForce2 Ultra, > Quadro2 Pro, GeForce4 MX 460, GeForce4 MX 440, GeForce4 MX 420, > GeForce4 MX 440-SE, GeForce4 440 Go, GeForce4 420 Go, > GeForce4 420 Go 32M, GeForce4 460 Go, Quadro4 550 XGL, > GeForce4 440 Go 64M, Quadro NVS, Quadro4 500 GoGL, > GeForce4 410 Go 16M, GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X, > GeForce4 MX 440SE with AGP8X, GeForce4 MX 420 with AGP8X, > GeForce4 MX 4000, GeForce4 448 Go, GeForce4 488 Go, Quadro4 580 XGL, > Quadro4 NVS 280 SD, Quadro4 380 XGL, Quadro NVS 50 PCI, > GeForce4 448 Go, GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU, GeForce3, > GeForce3 Ti 200, GeForce3 Ti 500, Quadro DCC, GeForce4 Ti 4600, > GeForce4 Ti 4400, GeForce4 Ti 4200, Quadro4 900 XGL, Quadro4 750 XGL, > Quadro4 700 XGL, GeForce4 Ti 4800, GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X, > GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE, GeForce4 4200 Go, Quadro4 700 GoGL, > Quadro4 980 XGL, Quadro4 780 XGL, GeForce FX 5800 Ultra, > GeForce FX 5800, Quadro FX 2000, Quadro FX 1000, > GeForce FX 5600 Ultra, GeForce FX 5600, GeForce FX 5600XT, > GeForce FX Go5600, GeForce FX Go5650, Quadro FX Go700, > GeForce FX 5200, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra, GeForce FX 5200, > GeForce FX 5200LE, GeForce FX Go5200, GeForce FX Go5250, > GeForce FX 5500, GeForce FX 5100, GeForce FX Go5200 32M/64M, > Quadro NVS 55/280 PCI, Quadro FX 500/600 PCI, > GeForce FX Go53xx Series, GeForce FX Go5100, GeForce FX 5900 Ultra, > GeForce FX 5900, GeForce FX 5900XT, GeForce FX 5950 Ultra, > GeForce FX 5900ZT, Quadro FX 3000, Quadro FX 700, > GeForce FX 5700 Ultra, GeForce FX 5700, GeForce FX 5700LE, > GeForce FX 5700VE, GeForce FX Go5700, GeForce FX Go5700, > Quadro FX Go1000, Quadro FX 1100, GeForce 6800 Ultra, GeForce 6800, > GeForce 6800 LE, GeForce 6800 XE, GeForce 6800 XT, GeForce 6800 GT, > GeForce 6800 GT, GeForce 6800 GS, GeForce 6800 XT, Quadro FX 4000, > GeForce 6800 GS, GeForce 6800, GeForce 6800 LE, GeForce 6800 XT, > GeForce Go 6800, GeForce Go 6800 Ultra, Quadro FX Go1400, > Quadro FX 3450/4000 SDI, Quadro FX 1400, GeForce 6600 GT, > GeForce 6600, GeForce 6600 LE, GeForce 6600 VE, GeForce Go 6600, > GeForce 6610 XL, GeForce Go 6600 TE/6200 TE, GeForce 6700 XL, > GeForce Go 6600, GeForce Go 6600 GT, Quadro FX 550, Quadro FX 550, > Quadro FX 540, GeForce 6200, GeForce 6500, > GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM), GeForce 6200SE TurboCache(TM), > GeForce 6200 LE, GeForce Go 6200, Quadro NVS 285, GeForce Go 6400, > GeForce Go 6200, GeForce Go 6400, GeForce 6250, GeForce 7100 GS, > GeForce 6800, GeForce 6800 LE, GeForce 6800 GT, GeForce 6800 XT, > GeForce 6200, GeForce 6200 A-LE, GeForce 7800 GTX, GeForce 7800 GTX, > GeForce 7800 GT, GeForce 7800 GS, GeForce 7800 SLI, GeForce Go 7800, > GeForce Go 7800 GTX, Quadro FX 4500, GeForce 7300 LE, > GeForce 7300 SE, GeForce Go 7200, GeForce Go 7300, GeForce Go 7400, > GeForce Go 7400 GS, Quadro NVS 110M, Quadro NVS 120M, Quadro FX 350M, > GeForce 7500 LE, Quadro FX 350, GeForce 7300 GS, GeForce 7600 GT, > GeForce 7600 GS, GeForce 7300 GT, GeForce 7600 LE, GeForce 7300 GT, > GeForce Go 7700, GeForce Go 7600, GeForce Go 7600 GT, > Quadro NVS 300M, GeForce Go 7900 SE, Quadro FX 550M, Quadro FX 560, > GeForce 7900 GTX, GeForce 7900 GT, GeForce 7900 GS, > GeForce Go 7900 GS, GeForce Go 7900 GTX, Quadro FX 2500M, > Quadro FX 1500M, Quadro FX 5500, Quadro FX 3500, Quadro FX 1500, > Quadro FX 4500 X2, GeForce 6150, GeForce 6150 LE, GeForce 6100, > GeForce Go 6150, GeForce Go 6100, GeForce 8800 GTX, GeForce 8800 GTS, > GeForce 8800 Ultra, Quadro FX 5600, Quadro FX 4600, GeForce 8600 GTS, > GeForce 8600 GT, GeForce 8600 GT, GeForce 8600 GS, GeForce 8400 GS, > GeForce 9500M GS, GeForce 8600M GT, GeForce 9650M GS, > GeForce 8700M GT, Quadro FX 370, Quadro NVS 320M, Quadro FX 570M, > Quadro FX 1600M, Quadro FX 570, Quadro FX 1700, GeForce 8400 SE, > GeForce 8500 GT, GeForce 8400 GS, GeForce 8300 GS, GeForce 8400 GS, > GeForce 8600M GS, GeForce 8400M GT, GeForce 8400M GS, > GeForce 8400M G, Quadro NVS 140M, Quadro NVS 130M, Quadro NVS 135M, > GeForce 9400 GT, Quadro FX 360M, GeForce 9300M G, Quadro NVS 290, > GeForce GTX 280, GeForce GTX 260, GeForce 8800 GTS 512, > GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 9800 GX2, GeForce 8800 GS, > GeForce 8800M GTS, GeForce 8800M GTX, GeForce 8800 GS, > GeForce 9600 GSO, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 9800 GTX, > GeForce 9800 GTK+, GeForce 9800 GT, Quadro FX 3700, Quadro FX 3600M, > GeForce 9600 GT, GeForce 9600 GS, GeForce 9800M GTS, > GeForce 9700M GTS, GeForce 9800M GTS, GeForce 9500 GT, > GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce 9600M GS, GeForce 9600M GT, > GeForce 9500M G, GeForce 9300 GS, GeForce 8400 GS, GeForce 9300M GS, > GeForce 9200M GS, GeForce 9300M GS, Quadro NVS 150M, Quadro NVS 160M > (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 05@00:00:0 > (--) NV: Found NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS at 05@00:00:0 > (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa > (II) resource ranges after probing: > [0] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] > [1] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] > [2] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] > [3] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] > [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] > (II) Loading sub module "int10" > (II) LoadModule: "int10" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libint10.so > (II) Module int10: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 > (II) NV(0): Initializing int10 > (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x20000) was already clear > (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xc0000,0x40000) was already clear > (II) NV(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 > (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear > (--) NV(0): Chipset: "GeForce 7600 GS" > (II) NV(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section > "Builtin Default nv Screen 0" for depth/fbbpp 24/32 > (==) NV(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 > (==) NV(0): RGB weight 888 > (==) NV(0): Default visual is TrueColor > (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" > (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libvgahw.so > (II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 0.1.0 > ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 > (==) NV(0): Using HW cursor > (--) NV(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xD0000000 > (--) NV(0): MMIO registers at 0xCF000000 > (II) Loading sub module "i2c" > (II) LoadModule: "i2c" > (II) Module "i2c" already built-in > (II) Loading sub module "ddc" > (II) LoadModule: "ddc" > (II) Module "ddc" already built-in > (II) NV(0): I2C bus "DDC" initialized. > (II) NV(0): Probing for analog device on output A... > (--) NV(0): ...found one > (II) NV(0): Probing for analog device on output B... > (--) NV(0): ...can't find one > (II) NV(0): Probing for EDID on I2C bus A... > (II) NV(0): I2C device "DDC:E-EDID segment register" registered at address > 0x60. > (II) NV(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. > (II) NV(0): ... none found > (II) NV(0): Probing for EDID on I2C bus B... > (II) NV(0): ... none found > (--) NV(0): CRTC 0 appears to have a CRT attached > (II) NV(0): Using CRT on CRTC 0 > (--) NV(0): VideoRAM: 262144 kBytes > (==) NV(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) > (II) NV(0): : Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz > (II) NV(0): : Using default vrefresh range of 50.00-70.00 Hz > (WW) NV(0): Unable to estimate virtual size > (II) NV(0): Clock range: 12.00 to 400.00 MHz > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x400" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "320x200" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "720x400" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "360x200" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (vrefresh out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "576x432" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "832x624" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "416x312" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range) > (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) > (--) NV(0): Virtual size is 800x600 (pitch 800) > (**) NV(0): *Default mode "800x600": 40.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz > (II) NV(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 > 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz) > (**) NV(0): *Default mode "800x600": 36.0 MHz, 35.2 kHz, 56.2 Hz > (II) NV(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2 36.00 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 > 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz) > (**) NV(0): *Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 59.9 Hz > (II) NV(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9 25.18 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 > -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz) > (**) NV(0): *Default mode "400x300": 20.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz (D) > (II) NV(0): Modeline "400x300"x60.3 20.00 400 420 484 528 300 300 302 314 > doublescan +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz) > (**) NV(0): *Default mode "400x300": 18.0 MHz, 35.2 kHz, 56.3 Hz (D) > (II) NV(0): Modeline "400x300"x56.3 18.00 400 412 448 512 300 300 301 312 > doublescan +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz) > (**) NV(0): *Default mode "320x240": 12.6 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.1 Hz (D) > (II) NV(0): Modeline "320x240"x60.1 12.59 320 328 376 400 240 245 246 262 > doublescan -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz) > (==) NV(0): DPI set to (96, 96) > (II) Loading sub module "fb" > (II) LoadModule: "fb" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libfb.so > (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 > (II) Loading sub module "xaa" > (II) LoadModule: "xaa" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libxaa.so > (II) Module xaa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.2.1 > ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 > (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" > (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" > (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in > (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear > (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" > (II) Unloading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so > (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp > (II) do I need RAC? No, I don't. > (II) resource ranges after preInit: > [0] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] > [1] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] > [2] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] > [3] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] > [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] > (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x10000) was already clear > (II) NV(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) > Screen to screen bit blits > Solid filled rectangles > 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles > Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion > Solid Lines > Scanline Image Writes > Setting up tile and stipple cache: > 32 128x128 slots > 32 256x256 slots > 16 512x512 slots > (==) NV(0): Backing store disabled > (==) NV(0): Silken mouse enabled > (II) NV(0): DPMS enabled > (==) RandR enabled > (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension > (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE > (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM > (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension > (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST > (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS > (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC > (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD > (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC > (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA > (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES > (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER > (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR > (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE > (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE > (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not > found) > (II) config/hal: Adding input device USB Receiver > (II) LoadModule: "mouse" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so > (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.4.0 > Module class: X.Org XInput Driver > ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0 > (**) USB Receiver: Device: "/dev/sysmouse" > (==) USB Receiver: Protocol: "Auto" > (**) USB Receiver: always reports core events > (**) Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" > (==) USB Receiver: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 > (**) USB Receiver: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 > (**) USB Receiver: Buttons: 9 > (**) USB Receiver: Sensitivity: 1 > (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "USB Receiver" (type: MOUSE) > (**) USB Receiver: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 > (**) USB Receiver: (accel) filter chain progression: 2.00 > (**) USB Receiver: (accel) filter stage 0: 20.00 ms > (**) USB Receiver: (accel) set acceleration profile 0 > (II) USB Receiver: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0 > (II) USB Receiver: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse > (II) config/hal: Adding input device AT Keyboard > (II) LoadModule: "kbd" > (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//kbd_drv.so > (II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.3.2 > Module class: X.Org XInput Driver > ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0 > (**) AT Keyboard: always reports core events > (**) Option "Protocol" "standard" > (**) AT Keyboard: Protocol: standard > (**) Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30" > (**) Option "XkbRules" "xorg" > (**) AT Keyboard: XkbRules: "xorg" > (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > (**) AT Keyboard: XkbModel: "pc105" > (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" > (**) AT Keyboard: XkbLayout: "us" > (**) Option "CustomKeycodes" "off" > (**) AT Keyboard: CustomKeycodes disabled > (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD) > (II) UnloadModule: "mouse" > (II) UnloadModule: "kbd" > > > --------------------- snip ------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > | Peter Ulrich Kruppa | Wuppertal | Germany From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 04:59:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E9F1065672 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0F18FC1A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DAA5E18E; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:59:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.701, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 7pXejOY9qc5p; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:59:42 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981A65E24D; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:59:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 06:59:42 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090407) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Ulrich Kruppa References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 04:59:49 -0000 Peter Ulrich Kruppa skrev: > On Fri, 29 May 2009, Leslie Jensen wrote: > >> >> When I try to startx my screen goes black for a while and then it >> returns to the prompt. >> >> At the screen I see this >> >> The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: >>> Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but has 2 >>> symbols >>> Ignoring extra symbols >> Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server >> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed >> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed >> Protocol not supported by server > Do you have > dbus_enable="YES" > hald_enable="YES" > in your /etc/rc.conf ? Yes I have > If not: add them, reboot and try to create a new xorg.conf with > # Xorg -configure Produces the same result :-( > > Greetings > > Uli. >> Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 06:51:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F041065672 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:51:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josef.moellers@ts.fujitsu.com) Received: from dgate10.ts.fujitsu.com (dgate10.ts.fujitsu.com [80.70.172.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596318FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:51:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josef.moellers@ts.fujitsu.com) DomainKey-Signature: s=s1536a; d=ts.fujitsu.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-SBRSScore:X-IronPort-AV:Received:X-IronPort-AV: Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Organization:User-Agent: MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qUkEm75p/88VpX/tu1DdOrHiyDmzb5yi56ioFn1sGzePWO8FM51Lo/Zc 8zQzh7P8ndzPI1s1RlxRhrZCi0sQu2jCP0T7UINT31zx0+q6K01e5PS48 6oSLdg92M0/IIRT4wiCm8S1RbFKnKJoOrrx/R7WAKe0BIWCzJitw63/Z+ PrRnU/8Px1LS3yixsErMqZ5Xz6nsyYTDex31QJ5XQ9lbBuY+SspfFd6w1 v1x2Ie6Ph1bNohMKJBtjgo39kCDZ6; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ts.fujitsu.com; i=josef.moellers@ts.fujitsu.com; q=dns/txt; s=s1536b; t=1243580407; x=1275116407; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Josef=20Moellers=20|Subject:=20Re:=20Failure=20to=20get=20past=20a=20PCI =20bridge|Date:=20Fri,=2029=20May=202009=2008:51:41=20+02 00|Message-ID:=20<4A1F85FD.60400@ts.fujitsu.com>|To:=20Po lytropon=20|CC:=20"freebsd-questions@fr eebsd.org"=20 |MIME-Version:=201.0|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=208bit |In-Reply-To:=20<20090528184150.424feb6e.freebsd@edvax.de >|References:=20<4A1E9E80.2070103@ts.fujitsu.com>=20<2009 0528184150.424feb6e.freebsd@edvax.de>; bh=lJtzqFRwZiaE4Ih3ZKXb+z1CWr0PnmZDyn8AF6I9IkY=; b=TSPrKBwN3sfe0+nFpWabg3Zw+BX8PD67QcMLyCwqYHJF550WhQxWJPDk k0umb5Ko3aiN8Cbsm8bKDOBTOZt57+DQAraoEDNoitlvo8aDaF1tQ7xFL 1OKhPIpolpVHCUdGHfO/dI/GzykVtW0jCk8aLWR/DS2SXES9e6AhnyqHH tiojzsgtIVm5a54NtslcVkx93B05xpvowu05FqOJnPdsty/XFKPvtFx9z wzaCBVvV6SfS0t5ME+YBoKFSh0sb5; X-SBRSScore: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,268,1241388000"; d="scan'208";a="75560476" Received: from abgdgate30u.abg.fsc.net ([172.25.138.66]) by dgate10u.abg.fsc.net with ESMTP; 29 May 2009 09:00:05 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,269,1241388000"; d="scan'208";a="53488206" Received: from unknown (HELO [172.25.253.16]) ([172.25.253.16]) by abgdgate30u.abg.fsc.net with ESMTP; 29 May 2009 08:51:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1F85FD.60400@ts.fujitsu.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:51:41 +0200 From: Josef Moellers Organization: Fujitsu Technology Solutions User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4A1E9E80.2070103@ts.fujitsu.com> <20090528184150.424feb6e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090528184150.424feb6e.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Failure to get past a PCI bridge X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 06:51:42 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:00 +0200, Josef Moellers wrote: > >> The install kernel then boots properly and reaches the "Country Selection". >> At that point, no keyboard input is accepted. An optical mouse is off, >> so I assume the keyboard to be off, too. >> > > Not neccessarily. Check the blinkenlights with caps lock, > num lock and scroll lock (if present). > BTDTNT. > If optical mouse doesn't have any light, it's nearly obvious > that it doesn't get power from the USB port. This doesn't > need to imply that the keyboard is off, too. Yes, but none of the *Lock key work either. When trying to install without ACPI, I managed to get past the bridge, but then I got a Fatal trap: --------------- igb0: Reserved 0x20000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xce260000 igb0: Reserved 0x4000 bytes for rid 0x1c type 3 at 0xce200000 igb0: attempting to allocate 3 MSI-X vectors (10 supported) Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 fault virtual address = 0x18 fault code = supervisor read data, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xffffffff803e127d stack pointer = 0x10:0xffffffff810d8830 frame pointer = 0x10:0x3 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 0 (swapper) trap number = 12 panic: page fault -------------- I'll talk to the BIOS guy again, but if someone has some other ideas, I'd be grateful. Josef -- These are my personal views and not those of Fujitsu Technology Solutions! Josef Möllers (Pinguinpfleger bei FTS) If failure had no penalty success would not be a prize (T. Pratchett) Company Details: http://de.ts.fujitsu.com/imprint.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 06:54:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4747106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C8E8FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlcNAGcjH0rUnw4T/2dsb2JhbACBSYkPhEGwCwGPKQiCUAGBMwU Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 29 May 2009 07:54:04 +0100 Received: from [81.174.174.115] (helo=main) by pih-relay06.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1M9vyd-0000mO-Ml for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:54:03 +0100 Message-ID: <024FF181E9F1495DB6B3C4AC45B4CFC0@main> From: "Graham Bentley" To: References: <20090527221613.98D351065845@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:54:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Plusnet-Relay: a3869142f231d3950ce019934c17ecc9 Subject: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console - A Question actually about FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 06:54:06 -0000 Hello All, Im still struggling with this one and have tried all I could find by Googling lists and forums. @ and " keys are fine as are every other key apart from £ symbol. Can anyone suggest ways to track this down. At 'Login:' I can actually get £ but after loging I get a beep? I have tried various fonts and maps to no avail. Any suggestions / pointers, even an RT[URL]FM or useful flame appreciated. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:12:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2A11065672 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0AE8FC2A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABEE2FD60; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:12:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.6.3 (20090422) at rmm.fr Received: from newmail.rmm.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (newmail.rmm.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id J5iEPcPyHbni; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:12:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2DDB32FD5F ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:12:07 +0200 (CEST) From: bsd To: Graham Bentley In-Reply-To: <024FF181E9F1495DB6B3C4AC45B4CFC0@main> X-Priority: 3 References: <20090527221613.98D351065845@hub.freebsd.org> <024FF181E9F1495DB6B3C4AC45B4CFC0@main> Message-Id: <3E8E0044-5AFF-44AE-87B5-8A16FA87F442@todoo.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:12:02 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: Liste FreeBSD Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console - A Question actually about FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:12:09 -0000 Hi, I use a Macintosh as client host, but this could be any computer as =20 long as you have a working keyboard configured. My shell is bash (latest port version). In my .bashrc I have included the following: # Display quoted characters stty cs8 -istrip -parenb bind 'set convert-meta off' bind 'set meta-flag on' bind 'set output-meta on' Furthermore I have configured emacs (my favorite editor) to also =20 handle UTF8 character and encoding In my .emacs: (set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8) (set-keyboard-coding-system 'utf-8) (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) This allows me to have all my characters encoded in UTF-8. One more interesting thing is the prompt (more fancy than really =20 usefull): In .bashrc: case "$TERM" in xterm*|rxvt*) PS1=3D"\[\033[01;33;33m\]\h \w --> \[\033[00m\]" PS2=3D'\u:\w >' ;; screen) #PS1=3D'\e[1;31m\u@\h:\e[1;37m\w\e[1;31m\$\e[0;37m ' PS1=3D"\[\033[01;36;36m\]\h \t \w screen $ \[\033[00m\]" ;; *) PS1=3D'\h:\w\$ ' ;; esac And the history search, still in .bashrc: bind '"\e[A"':history-search-backward bind '"\e[B"':history-search-forward Le 29 mai 09 =E0 08:54, Graham Bentley a =E9crit : > Hello All, > > Im still struggling with this one and have tried all I could find > by Googling lists and forums. @ and " keys are fine as are > every other key apart from =A3 symbol. Can anyone suggest > ways to track this down. At 'Login:' I can actually get =A3 but > after loging I get a beep? I have tried various fonts and maps > to no avail. > > Any suggestions / pointers, even an RT[URL]FM or useful > flame appreciated. > > Thanks! =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF Gregober ---> PGP ID --> 0x1BA3C2FD bsd @at@ todoo.biz =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF P "Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing =20 this e-mail" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:21:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBAE1065676 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:21:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3088FC1E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:21:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from w2003s01.double-l.local (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4T7Lbec057001; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:21:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:21:36 +0200 Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail Thread-Index: AcnfB9biai87LiqERUiwEY5t8c169ABJOjRQ References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> From: "Johan Hendriks" To: "Mel Flynn" X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:21:39 -0000 >> Hello, >> >> > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, >> > >> > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail >> >> I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: >> http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=3D4 >It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: >a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever=20 >possible. >b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. >c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all = -=20 >you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that = specific=20 >database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my = own. > >--=20 >Mel Option c and do not understand. You can use a centralized database and let as many postfix, dovecot = servers talk to that database as you want, or am i seeing this wrong. Regards, Johan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2139 - Release Date: = 05/28/09 18:09:00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:23:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21127106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD2B8FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T7Nc8D005283; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:23:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4T7Nc7I005280; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:23:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:23:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Leslie Jensen In-Reply-To: <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> Message-ID: References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Peter Ulrich Kruppa , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:23:47 -0000 >>> Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server >>> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed >>> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed >>> Protocol not supported by server >> Do you have >> dbus_enable="YES" >> hald_enable="YES" >> in your /etc/rc.conf ? > > Yes I have > >> If not: add them, reboot and try to create a new xorg.conf with >> # Xorg -configure > > Produces the same result :-( > wouldn't it be better to pkg_delete xserver, make config, turn off hal dependency and then install. Probably it will work fine then. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:34:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED266106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from b.mail.ru.ac.za (b.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C14E8FC1A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=Wb9oAZLi6bo8AvTST8LsGVAr9AyzxknVF4iv/pxjYznPhkvh9XTacBEC3WZrYqkunq+6wfLRZydGFkY0Vas7SBo+Mp4EOMCLY7Lz7dEJbJi5z2/HUKQdCJqnOC1TstH6; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:57224) by b.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1M9wbs-000Clo-G1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: b.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:2) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:34:39 -0000 On Thursday 28 May 2009 22:52:47 Jerry wrote: > > Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers > actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world > county or the EU would probably sue them. Nothing I have seen in 20 > years equals the audacity of the EU. As long as no 'standard' no matter > how arbitrary, stupid or counter-productive exists, they are in theory > safe from the EU. Besides, nothing stifles development as tightly as > being bound to an arbitrary 'standard'. What a breathtakingly stupid remark. The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have used illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies and suppress competition. Or are you suggesting that a format or protocol which is implemented by several different companies, allowing vendors to compete fairly on other grounds (price, features, quality, ... ) while protecting consumers by making it possible for them to move from one vendor to another, is somehow a worse idea than a proprietary format or protocol which is forced into a market-dominating position by illegal tactics such as paying manufacturers extra to incorporate it, or penalising them financially for providing competing products? If that's the case, why is no-one trying to use the courts to prevent the use of ODF, a published standard which is now used by several companies and Free Software projects to provide a common format for documents? Once a company dominates a particular market it's held to a different standard than other companies in that market - because the power of the monopoly can be used not only to prevent competition in the original market, but to extend the market domination into new markets, by techniques like product tying, distributing at below cost (effectively drawing subsidy from the original monopoly product) until competitors are driven out of business, and so on. Microsoft has been convicted of doing all these things, in US courts, in courts in Asia, and in courts in Europe. These are matters of fact, not opinion. Intel has been convicted of many of these things in courts in Asia and in Europe. The fact that the US system is too supine to take action against these companies doesn't make the EU ``arrogant''. Let's not forget why Unix took off and expanded the way it did: once upon a time the US courts did take antitrust seriously, and prevented AT&T using its telco monopoly to expand into market domination of the computer business. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:36:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E825210656EB for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:36:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B638FC08 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:36:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T7a7W3005380; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:36:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4T7a7iF005377; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:36:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:36:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:36:21 -0000 >> >> It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do >> this, and this list turn to <1% on topic. > > The only problem with that sort of reasoning is that the FreeBSD mailing > list charters *have* been decided. but the decision MAY be changed. Of course - it may not, but there is nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and trying to explain to others that it make sense. > There is a reason why freebsd-questions is open to everyone, including > people who want to discuss things like ``How do I make my Windows boot > loader launch FreeBSD?''. I am NOT asking for closing current list!!!! But adding moderated one. > My impression from hanging around this mailing list for several years > now (It's almost a decade now, geez! When did all that time pass?) is for over decade i use unix but unfortunately much shorter FreeBSD. > that the openness and the all-around friendly character of ``If your > question is even marginally related to a small part of FreeBSD and we > can help, we'll do it'' is a valued and much-cherished attribute of the This way anything with any real question are difficult to get answers. It was for example common for my questions that 20 people answered with nonsense because they just are on the list as "experts" answering windows question. Fortunately sometimes i finally got an answer if someone knowing it got through the mess before. more often - not. > list. A lot of the people who hang around here like it this way, and > what you propose to do is such a radical change that it requires a *lot* > of up-front work if you really want to convince anyone. Once again - i don't want that list to be closed. It's very possible that some people would like to look at both. On moderated "professional" ;) to get and answer FreeBSD-related question, and on this as a cool chat and place to talk about installing KDE if he/she like. > You do have a point that there is a very thin line between ``being very > helpful to new people'' and ``talking about irrelevant systems all the > time'', The line can be clearly defined if rules will be defined. There are tons of other places when you can help people that way. And of course - that list that won't be removed. > moderated list seems to be ``We have to do this or we are doomed to be > flooded with useless non-FreeBSD posts''. We already all. > volume of off-topic posts has any sort of upwards trend is to: > > (a) Define *precisely* and in very clear terms what you consider on > topic and what you consider off-topic. OK. On topic is: - question about software made by FreeBSD team which is FreeBSD base system+ports subsystem. In ports subsystem i mean the set of scripts and patches that allows you to compile other programs, BUT NOT THE PROGRAMS itself. - questions about purely FreeBSD-specific and FreeBSD-dependend things of ported programs. For example: --- I start program X, configure it the same way as in linux, installed all the same modules, but here it crashes/behave differently. For example: --- here some output --- Where is a problem --- Off topic - it's all not being on-topic. > (c) Go through the archives by year and/or month and keep statistics > about things like: thread size, active posters per period, posts > per period, off-topic/on-topic ratio of messages, and so on. already did. years ago the percentage of on-topic questions was much higher, as more and more often it's dissolved by questions about windows,KDE etc. > This sort of approach would probably meet a lot less resistance, because > it is repeatable by anyone who wants to verify your results, and it is > based on the actual *data* of the mailing list itself, instead of a OK. nice idea. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:37:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1F0106568F for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mx1.esiee.fr (mx1.esiee.fr [147.215.1.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186238FC12 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53689136ED7 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VAMS.dummy (Postfix) with SMTP id 4735637AA3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from secure.esiee.fr (secure.esiee.fr [147.215.1.19]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E53D37AA3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lisa.esiee.fr (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bonnetf) by secure.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2E100E7C4E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:14 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090525) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:37:28 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but sound system does not work I have gnome installed and all the above services are running moused_enable="YES" nfs_client_enable="YES" sshd_enable="YES" linux_enable="YES" postfix_enable="YES" dovecot_enable="YES" dbus_enable=YES gdm_enable=YES hald_enable=YES avahi_daemon_enable=YES apache22_enable=YES Any help/infos welcome Thanks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkofkKoACgkQ6f7UMO5oSsXzyQCgkBzhGekhVddfc00SlSCkX4+W 6IsAoLh8AOvDMASGAFVXNyFb7ZB+v1mc =ey2B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:39:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD001065676 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86AD8FC14 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T7deAP005406; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:39:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4T7deS6005403; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:39:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:39:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Johan Hendriks In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> Message-ID: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:39:51 -0000 >>> >>>> Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, as i can't find the first post of that post i will answer the question what i see on top. What i use is: sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to store messages in maildir format. spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad. sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C. dovecot for IMAP/POP3 service. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:43:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4801065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BF78FC23 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6036004bwz.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 00:43:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0ItlP4LJaX02kbctSm35h2+XC8dwIEaFKHC/P8VXido=; b=YNeaehvY4zkO3PblmzT3IOuKITXywsBm2LXD27qmUd2AVorBKhJ6dSgGLB8/D8GiHw R8O1hPkecOMRrEYf7VON6sWwMFrpbgKQQkPCMNCz5NyxtxwYDnjM4L5vjPjAR3m4EJYT 1AnSG9DJJLsd+RQIsZN3DgU/oW8bEiIrCAdPs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ouXs/8oXMfxNEqQda0/fL+ym+4Oyu2L7pL3PJzLM9fRN7xTXwFmBla9gmqw3ZhN/6w Aq0MwoOzSIpWLcxGgMw7jv+vo086XzPz3eD37qZQijicixCF/OwHTVutIpEHxll2oKB4 2gGhZeoUXxihwDSCH2Zgnu0Eq/So0nBej/Y1w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.50.212 with SMTP id a20mr2107050bkg.35.1243583032175; Fri, 29 May 2009 00:43:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:43:32 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Johan Hendriks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:43:53 -0000 2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar : >>>> >>>>> Hello all , =A0I want to install a =A0Mail Server with =A0Webmail, > > as i can't find the first post of that post i will answer the question wh= at > i see on top. > > > What i use is: > > sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to > store messages in maildir format. > spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i > must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad. > > sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure > webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C. > What's wrong with PHP? --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:48:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601F5106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:48:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E518FC0C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:48:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T7mU2t005436; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:48:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4T7mU0R005433; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:48:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:48:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jonathan McKeown In-Reply-To: <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:48:37 -0000 > The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have used > illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies and suppress > competition. This is just the occasion to get another tax by UE clerks. As Microsoft and Intel just pay a fine, and doesn't really change their behaviour, it's just tax that final users pay. Anyway i am against any such regulations. Free Market is a best regulator. As people DO LIKE their products and the slavery by using them - their problem. It would be much better of removing things that are against free market rules, software patents are perfect example. But as most of the world (lead by UE) goes back into socialism, that heroicly fights problems it creates, it won't happen. > Or are you suggesting that a format or protocol which is implemented by > several different companies, allowing vendors to compete fairly on other > grounds (price, features, quality, ... ) while protecting consumers by making This is a proper idea. But both doing this, and not doing this, is not matter of any clerk, politician or king, but of people choice and free market. People should choose if they want to use open standards and be independent, or use closed standards and become slaves. As some people like to be slaves, there are no reason to forbid it. > extra to incorporate it, or penalising them financially for providing > competing products? The worst thing of UE (and other government) is that they are putting their dirty hand into free market at all. > If that's the case, why is no-one trying to use the courts to prevent the use > of ODF, a published standard which is now used by several companies and Free > Software projects to provide a common format for documents? maybe yet? but yes - i think the first poster exaggerated things. UE doesn't (yet?) fights with open standard. They even say they are promoting it. Of course best they can do is not to do anything. > Microsoft has been convicted of doing all these things, in US courts, in > courts in Asia, and in courts in Europe. These are matters of fact, not > opinion. Government in Asia just do the same - another source of taxes. If they would like to really punish MS, fines will be much higher and MEANINGFUL to microsoft. > off and expanded the way it did: once upon a time the US courts did take > antitrust seriously, and prevented AT&T using its telco monopoly to expand Or maybe it solved problem it created - software patents that existed in US already, and prevented BSD to be spread and improved?! Don't you remember. The government is always a SOURCE, not solution to a problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:49:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43622106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9F08FC13 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T7nN7P005449; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:49:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4T7nNXv005446; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:49:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:49:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Johan Hendriks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:49:30 -0000 >> >> What i use is: >> >> sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to >> store messages in maildir format. >> spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i >> must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad. >> >> sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure >> webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C. >> > > What's wrong with PHP? > 1) resource hungry 2) quite buggy. While here can be discussed how much is because of PHP itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:49:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D06B106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAF98FC1F for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE66EB510B; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:49:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0291344FE4; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:49:30 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PbPRCqXoGfG0; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:49:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl59-123.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.186.123]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58F344002; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:49:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T7nStA002541; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:49:29 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4T7nRLQ002540; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:49:27 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:49:27 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Fri, 29 May 2009 09:36:07 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:49:32 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:36:07 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not >>> do this, and this list turn to <1% on topic. >> >> The only problem with that sort of reasoning is that the FreeBSD mailing >> list charters *have* been decided. > > but the decision MAY be changed. Of course - it may not, but there is > nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and > trying to explain to others that it make sense. While a change like this is possible, it is going to be very very hard. To change something so deeply ingrained into the whole `culture' of being an open OS that welcomes everyone takes the sort of numbers I was talking in the rest of my post. Change for sake of change is often silly. Change because there is a measurable advantage is, on the other hand, quite more often a good thing :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 07:58:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C371065678 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (macos.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7CA8FC2F for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:58:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T7wavT040523 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:58:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4T7wa3U040520 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:58:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) X-Authentication-Warning: macos.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:58:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@macos.cmi.ua.ac.be To: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: 7-7.2 upgrade, websvn X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:58:39 -0000 Recently upgraded 7.0->7.2 a user tells that he gets, using websvn Error running this command: svn --config-dir /tmp --version svn: not found anyone a similar experience? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:00:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428F410656AD for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:00:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599978FC1C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:00:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T80Osr005518; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:00:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4T80O9r005515; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:00:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:00:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:00:32 -0000 >> nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and >> trying to explain to others that it make sense. > > While a change like this is possible, it is going to be very very hard. > To change something so deeply ingrained into the whole `culture' of why adding extra moderated list is a change of deeply ingrained culture? Once again i'm not for shutting down that list. Anyway some common ideas that had "ingrained" has to be revisited anyway, now or soon. Not only by FreeBSD community, but free software at all. The first will be the common idea of "free software should compete with commercial". My answer is that it should not as it already failed to do. And what's a gain even if it will be successful? As it's not commercial and not being sold. It already lives very fine in it's market niche. As FreeBSD never really tried to compete with say - windows - hard, it's still so good OS, based of real idea of unix, and still well optimized for performance. Actually it gets better every release. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:04:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DAE106567D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10068FC21 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T84DIJ005545; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:04:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4T84DTL005542; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:04:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:04:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Frank Bonnet In-Reply-To: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> Message-ID: References: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:04:21 -0000 > Any help/infos welcome please post the output of mixer command. i bet your volume is set to zero ;) > > Thanks > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkofkKoACgkQ6f7UMO5oSsXzyQCgkBzhGekhVddfc00SlSCkX4+W > 6IsAoLh8AOvDMASGAFVXNyFb7ZB+v1mc > =ey2B > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:06:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B6210656B4 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24ECB8FC13 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6047444bwz.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:06:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0FNNzBcczrg0qhh5ui6yXPKdvI2Wiq34022ymBG4XUk=; b=dB3gnrZ01LbLJ6RjqDHBa+IXc8Ea/xUIAFP3gSWYXPLxIraNLuORUmj1SA/bGwnd3t lWA7sVzE7wrTLfAfpfrEj3yG1PWHlINMMZYQ1X00ac2y6KBtRI4xchwZS1LHyyLYgWvu p1jbwxvsvn3XBI03rpVl4x2i4kEedXLyub9jg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U6SNZ47QX1/Ur7rZtmJZRXUg0mL0srbnLd4tCZR71dEabQOSIdahSutnSUd8yy+0De rJqCX2dgcKX4w8ZgfGLWdGe0Va3mZn+Z693pTfl3P7MVM8nRA5Ky6aGeToGCKDHugxX9 2e1TNP0nVH/RLtDxHsSt0UnRLhgUNAnEryiqA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.132 with SMTP id a4mr2121479bkq.27.1243584381112; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:06:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:06:01 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Manolis Kiagias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:06:23 -0000 2009/5/28 Wojciech Puchar : > >> These are interoperability questions. Nobody here is asking Windows >> support questions. > > example - "do you know how to shrink windows partition from 250 to 50 gigs > without losing data" > > Yes he wanted this 200GB for FreeBSD, but that question has NOTHING to > FreeBSD. Actually, this looks far more about interoperability, especially since as you said, the 200 GB _is_ _for_ _FreeBSD_ Just because you don't know the answer to a question doesn't mean it's off-topic. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:07:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D735810656A4 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F7E8FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1331592fxm.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:07:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tPXJ2VLfk0bGA5Z2ZLdypj3HcI0plDU9J6YW80MLS2w=; b=Yr2g3VmhPy1OkAflHp5PQzmwWvTUFYii7uZO3YO2mIfXsEVA3XogjP8iQWL+Sv1V6x Zi/xzk8dWBF/ReKu/QdDV9iQoKAwcAgyo/SWBAOVkavlWlMNpO9R8Y4CTVTijgUCNHMy OQ6PS4NFvfmOKPTAa6mDZbHCkupuzCjE9P+UQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BGfEQUDkvsK+t3Eowez9984rTJqYSJJXYWjo1F92g3LUIePr27bVhwWU1qJujOTzBL czzp08gT7sGYV9wPr9EBW3HuOuuBkPBRl02hoyEQ4mdX5Og/zKYloGlYiLSQ7WFReHap k8qr637yY0sS8sAZ/sr6VLeYa+oq8CN+EH+Aw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.5 with SMTP id f5mr2077395bkg.203.1243584454277; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:07:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> References: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:07:14 +0100 Message-ID: To: Frank Bonnet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:07:36 -0000 2009/5/29 Frank Bonnet : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello > > I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but > sound system does not work > > I have gnome installed and all the above services are running > > moused_enable="YES" > nfs_client_enable="YES" > sshd_enable="YES" > linux_enable="YES" > postfix_enable="YES" > dovecot_enable="YES" > dbus_enable=YES > gdm_enable=YES > hald_enable=YES > avahi_daemon_enable=YES > apache22_enable=YES > > > Any help/infos welcome > > Thanks Did you kldload sound? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:09:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D371065676 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128648FC1C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1332761fxm.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:09:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=u3Wf0MjSSgBojbsq4KW/EyeGlou51kHHsOYMgJYaTd4=; b=B3ed4k8xCTobB+80bbDAGPCKo4F/lWj/LWrT0no3YgffDmdEdFIc8oQ7ccRr+Z3RJC uoqs8YWs05+dLKYNmR3R5jHZNTDaxQ5SxwosaLC2nH1VAl5bG4TxzgDiYBtE5e3bK4QS rufLBSu+19Hyrt5C4Snwo4s75Got06vxxWgTg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kuujPft4HVxS23L2yz5IPmvYYq+vHOZwBCD8vGQVZgdjQy/2V0ZsT4Sst4xfLxtQGT jBpOsNj+zHiKkqhd3HwbEQOVPhq6XPO4UowkobG2xHbEEyYEvvcpKtF61ZWg6kPzw6Fa D5RVJtZbponoteu7aRml8J05zyXIY/75gBgAE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.102 with SMTP id f38mr2114781bkk.65.1243584593144; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:09:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:09:33 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Johan Hendriks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:09:54 -0000 2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar : >>> >>> What i use is: >>> >>> sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to >>> store messages in maildir format. >>> spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i >>> must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad. >>> >>> sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure >>> webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C. >>> >> >> What's wrong with PHP? >> > 1) resource hungry > 2) quite buggy. While here can be discussed how much is because of PHP > itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs > I don't think PHP itself is buggy, in fact I think badly written C programs are responsible for far more lossage. Though you're right about resource-hunger. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:11:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F711065673 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F028FC18 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1333462fxm.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:11:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=noEdHh+hpOctdhP1xBzd/FTghYOkxhk/d8T0Q2uPefA=; b=TbFH4wMT2jdFvD0jV34iXH5FRbvCDjiszBwQ1ObYQOHr/nNn/RZ7OTY4MHGNf1sar3 DxnzRTlqyMB9jgZUhs61daMP91Jb5PzlzseFPhizKtIMOfv2Zzv9nYnL6sf+z1Oyzu/w qNLCeMLHW+d71RSndzN5Pi/6ncGRSeD+ZTRjo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KUaODBlSHA1f8k8g+ZNryO7Vv0D4L+vFFaKWodNC6tEw4Z8yZuhX4iYc2L+IPUgtw7 LyRuRto650Q+98+NqSc+XI5YHzVzshAwR8zuNPiP5UUkNT4e5CERK5ZmiUDJbq5O4fTW QeyY/QkFLUnMZZfZctKhTquQfyKKWoRmdewbY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.123.136 with SMTP id p8mr2145797bkr.21.1243584672635; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:11:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:10:52 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:11:15 -0000 2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar : >> The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have used >> illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies and >> suppress >> competition. > > This is just the occasion to get another tax by UE clerks. As Microsoft and > Intel just pay a fine, and doesn't really change their behaviour, it's just > tax that final users pay. > > Anyway i am against any such regulations. Free Market is a best regulator. > As people DO LIKE their products and the slavery by using them - their > problem. > Do you really think the free market protects our freedoms? Remember the East India Company? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:11:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3961C10656CC for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:11:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fotoo@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D9808FC2C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fotoo@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 12474 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2009 07:44:43 -0000 Received: from 91.63.235.247 by www170.gmx.net with HTTP; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:44:43 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:44:43 +0200 From: "Oskar Eyb" Message-ID: <20090529074443.167820@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #40664412 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18cZQp9hkEcPSYp6m/e/rwrdYpguBEOuBFe2iUK95 PPD4EN+WPLlJ8hhMy6dapNt+XAhLFkhGWoEg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: XKQsfuwJTXsufy8ZDWY5qBZCRzdyMoNW X-FuHaFi: 0.52 Subject: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:11:27 -0000 hello! on one of my servers (7.0-R , Jail) I have a very strange problem I guess its something about LOCKing. some programs have issued with locking: saslauthd[38127] :main : could not lock pid lock file: /var/run/saslauthd/saslauthd.pid.lock saslauthd[38127] :main : fcntl: Invalid argument dovecot: 2009-05-29 03:45:50 Info: dovecot v1.1.15 starting up dovecot: 2009-05-29 03:45:50 Info: Generating Diffie-Hellman parameters for the first time. This may take a while.. dovecot: 2009-05-29 03:45:50 Error: ssl-build-param: fcntl(write-lock) locking failed for file /var/db/dovecot/ssl-parameters.dat.tmp: Invalid argument dovecot: 2009-05-29 03:45:50 Fatal: ssl-build-param: file_try_lock(/var/db/dovecot/ssl-parameters.dat.tmp) failed: Invalid argument deliver(user@example.com): 2009-05-29 03:43:24 Error: fcntl(write-lock) locking failed for file /data/maildirs/example.com/user/dovecot.index.log: Invalid argument deliver(user@example.com): 2009-05-29 03:43:24 Error: mail_index_wait_lock_fd() failed with file /data/maildirs/example.com/user/dovecot.index.log: Invalid argument deliver(user@example.com): 2009-05-29 03:43:24 Info: msgid=: save failed to INBOX: Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. [2009-05-29 03:43:24] -rw------- 1 vmail vmail 24 May 29 03:43 /data/maildirs/example.com/user/dovecot.index.log all directorys are existent and wirtable anyone an idea? thanks!! Oskar -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:13:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD6A10657F8 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F418FC14 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:13:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6051099bwz.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:13:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1cPf5MKyjexr6gM8X73u0wjh5a1jJR8UiGo84Z/VgOw=; b=qODH9Fd8mXT56ihOgscIHdHo9+1HAohcc/QuFapV67XEkrQcFJnLl1El4afghAOdrN rLjyb7NA8Wpk284GrihylTJaTbodWkf9PZw39ABFHoulfATsSIgkIWlygMtkc6FMtsKp g5MSnHUXqXAt1TaKFZSTlq86crt7bfghQ+mFw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CMn0iUZlDe7/xqiVZsbFlTH2EnIyfrOsN+SaoFTtaXTi7xiNgMbuQqRuRwHUY2nSZn zxISEK/QJ3NcEpk6v1uDrq5wsNI6XwJPgcQf4SuGNZtBp7ZymP7XMk2eltIeSFvHBZZq RWhSoBdZVyVAhk2rY6840tUzMGhHeSOloZjKI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.31.74 with SMTP id x10mr2101846bkc.7.1243584804158; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:13:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200905281444.45342.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <200905281444.45342.kirk@strauser.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:13:04 +0100 Message-ID: To: Kirk Strauser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:13:26 -0000 2009/5/28 Kirk Strauser : > On Thursday 28 May 2009 02:34:02 pm Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> And yes - i do log as root by "insecure" rsh and telnet. > > OK, I'm now promoting you to "batshit insane". =A0Seriously, there's no e= xcuse > for running telnet - even in a "secure" (ha!) environment - when so much > better alternatives exist. > > Let me shoot you a hypothetical: your webserver gets compromised. Something I pointed out earlier. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:15:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601D31065679 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (brucec-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:c09::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFFD8FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296991923A; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:15:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=8.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from gluon.draftnet (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:0:240:f4ff:fe57:9871]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:15:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:15:08 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Frank Bonnet Message-ID: <20090529091508.75cc6a4c@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> References: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:15:14 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:14 +0200 Frank Bonnet wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello > > I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but > sound system does not work > > I have gnome installed and all the above services are running > > moused_enable="YES" > nfs_client_enable="YES" > sshd_enable="YES" > linux_enable="YES" > postfix_enable="YES" > dovecot_enable="YES" > dbus_enable=YES > gdm_enable=YES > hald_enable=YES > avahi_daemon_enable=YES > apache22_enable=YES Have you loaded the sound driver? Check /dev/sndstat to see if it's running. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:16:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6749310657A9 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB038FC17 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n4T8GHoe009745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 May 2009 01:16:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n4T8GHOG009742; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA06161; Fri, 29 May 09 01:10:35 PDT Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:09:45 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd@edvax.de Message-Id: <4a1f9849.pQymwXa+Jjy6Cj9K%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:16:21 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > CUPS isn't extra software in my opinions. CUPS is a PITA, but it may nevertheless be the "least bad" solution if one is stuck with a junk printer. Decent, network-capable, PostScript printers do not have to be costly. I bought a Samsung ML-2571N at Fry's for something like $60(US) a year or two ago. All I had to do was plug it into the network, add its IP address to /etc/hosts, add a suitable entry to /etc/printcap, and lpr "just works". No need to bother with CUPS. Granted the ML-2571N is monochrome and Samsung's color printer did not support PostScript last I knew. For color, I got a Xerox printer or a few hundred US$ a while back. Like the Samsung it has PostScript, networking, and lpd support built in; another pair of /etc/hosts and /etc/printcap entries and lpr "just works" for it also. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:17:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DDB1065735 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:17:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5082D8FC1E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:17:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n4T8GIpA009751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 May 2009 01:16:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n4T8GI8B009750; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA06175; Fri, 29 May 09 01:15:09 PDT Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:14:18 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: dnelson@allantgroup.com Message-Id: <4a1f995a.dr0p9Gyl57bGweri%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20090528190111.GA90077@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20090528190111.GA90077@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: character sets for file names on ufs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:17:23 -0000 Dan Nelson wrote: > ... ufs filenames have no assumed character set. I take it the / character is the same across all encodings then? Last I knew the pathname separator was treated specially. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:18:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9CF1065673 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:18:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E9D8FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:18:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.locolomo.org (beta.locolomo.org [172.16.0.32]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F2B11C0847 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:59:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:59:26 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:18:58 -0000 Hi: I recently upgraded to FBSD7.2 and decided to upgrade my ports as well, upgrading perl to 5.10. Now www/libapreq2 won't build: cd perl; gmake gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl' cp lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm cp lib/Apache2/Upload.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Upload.pm cp lib/Apache2/Request.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Request.pm cp lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm blib/lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm make: don't know how to make w. Stop gmake[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl' gmake[1]: *** [perl_glue] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue' gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2. clearly, gmake fails, but since perl generates the Makefile, could this be a problem caused by upgrade to 5.10? Any solution? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:28:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C40106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:28:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC678FC08 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:28:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.locolomo.org (beta.locolomo.org [172.16.0.32]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43FD51C0861 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:10:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1F9874.6040400@locolomo.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:10:28 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: libapreq2 port broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:28:57 -0000 Hi: I recently upgraded to FBSD7.2 and decided to upgrade my ports as well, upgrading perl to 5.10. Now www/libapreq2 won't build: cd perl; gmake gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl' cp lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm cp lib/Apache2/Upload.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Upload.pm cp lib/Apache2/Request.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Request.pm cp lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm blib/lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm make: don't know how to make w. Stop gmake[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl' gmake[1]: *** [perl_glue] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue' gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2. clearly, gmake fails, but since perl generates the Makefile, could this be a problem caused by upgrade to 5.10? Any solution? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:29:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE9610656E5 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4658FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id 4099316BDA2; Fri, 29 May 2009 03:29:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.70]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 590B616BDA3; Fri, 29 May 2009 03:29:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Fri, 29 May 2009 03:25:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 03:25:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Graham Bentley In-Reply-To: <024FF181E9F1495DB6B3C4AC45B4CFC0@main> Message-ID: <20090529021521.Q35417@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <20090527221613.98D351065845@hub.freebsd.org> <024FF181E9F1495DB6B3C4AC45B4CFC0@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-272298827-1243585545=:35417" X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console - A Question actually about FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:29:06 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-272298827-1243585545=:35417 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Fri, 29 May 2009, Graham Bentley wrote: > Hello All, > > Im still struggling with this one and have tried all I could find > by Googling lists and forums. @ and " keys are fine as are > every other key apart from =A3 symbol. Can anyone suggest > ways to track this down. At 'Login:' I can actually get =A3 but > after loging I get a beep? I have tried various fonts and maps > to no avail. > > Any suggestions / pointers, even an RT[URL]FM or useful > flame appreciated. All these remarks apply to the console (and virtual ttys) not xterm or other terminals in X. First, you must have a font with =A3 in it. It seems you do if you ever se= e this character, but for the record your most likely choices are iso-8859-1 and iso-8859-15 (also has the Euro symbol). It is best to load these at boot in three sizes: These lines in /etc/rc.conf font8x14=3D"iso-8x14" font8x16=3D"iso-8x16" font8x8=3D"iso-8x8" will load iso-8859-1 and these font8x14=3D"iso15-8x14" font8x16=3D"iso15-8x16" font8x8=3D"iso15-8x8" will load iso-8859-1 There are applications that will help you to edit a font, but that is beyon= d the scope here. remember, in /etc/rc.conf, when the same item is set multiple times, the last entry wins, so it is best to read this file from the bottom and add at the bottom. (Do not edit the master file in /etc/defaults.) You can see what fonts are on your system and try one out temporarily using the vidfont command. Second you must set your TERM variable to something compatible. You do thi= s in your shell login scripts. You can do this for everyone using the same shell in /etc or per user in the dot file in the home directory of the user= .=20 Consult the man page for your particular shell. This works for bash in /etc/profile or in the user's .profile: TERM=3D'cons25l1' export TERM cons25l1 is for an 80x25 console using iso-8859-1. It also appears to work for iso-8859-15. If you have a different number of characters (than 80) or a different number of lines (than 25), select something appropriate from /usr/share/misc/termcap (there may be symbolic link to it from /etc/termcap). DO NOT EDIT THE TERMCAP. Finally you need to select an appropriate keyboard from /usr/share/syscons/keymaps and be sure it is entered in /etc/rc.conf. Your main choices would seem to be uk.iso-ctrl.kbd and uk.iso.kbd. Both of these have =A3 at shift-3 (above the letter keys, not on the numeric keypad). You can try out keyboards with the keymap command. this should be in your /etc/rc.conf keymap=3D'uk.iso.kbd' (or the other one, if you choose it. Remember, the LAST assignment to keymap in /etc/rc.conf wins) Keymaps are exceeding easy to edit in FreeBSD, which is one of the reasons = I use FreeBSD instead of one of the many linux distros I have tried. If you want to give it a try, I suggest you back it up first. cp uk.iso.kbd uk.iso.kbd.dist will do. Then to use your edited map enter keymap=3D'uk.iso.kbd' Here are a few lines from uk.iso.kbd: # alt # scan cntrl alt alt cntrl lock # code base shift cntrl shift alt shift cntrl shift state # ------------------------------------------------------------------ 000 nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop O 001 esc esc esc esc esc esc debug esc O 002 '1' '!' nop nop '`' '`' nop nop O 003 '2' '"' nul nul '@' '@' nul nul O 004 '3' 163 nop nop '#' '#' nop nop O 005 '4' '$' 164 164 '4' '$' nop nop O 006 '5' '%' nop nop '5' '%' nop nop O The character code for =A3 is 163. You get that from shift-3 (using the 3 from above the letter keys, not the numeric keypad). The character code for the Euro sign is 164. You should be able to see that you get that from cntrl-4. If you had more use for that than $, you could switch them by editing line 005 to read: 005 '4' 164 '$' 164 '4' '$' nop nop O If you have an edited keymap you like, keep a copy in a safe place (like your home directory) in case it get stomped when you upgrade your system. If you do not have root access, you can change keymaps with kbdcontrol, and you could change fonts and video modes with vidcontrol. (See the man pages for each if you are interested.) You could put these in the dot file for your particular shell to have them take effect when you login. You can even change these on a per-application basis by using a shell scrip= t to launch particular applications. This might be useful, for example, if you had applications that do not look right without the IBM box-drawing characters. You could use vidcontrol in a script to switch to cp437 before calling the application and to switch back afterwards. Fortunately many applications these days know what to do or can be configured to do the righ= t thing without such drastic measures. --=20 Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 --0-272298827-1243585545=:35417-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:31:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B9C106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA298FC18 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n4T8VNp1011014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 May 2009 01:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n4T8VNkZ011013; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA06448; Fri, 29 May 09 01:30:33 PDT Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:29:43 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Message-Id: <4a1f9cf7.UEl7lAiK4FGe5eG7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:31:25 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > Even 15 seconds of thinking is enough to understand that logging > to other user and then su - gives completely no extra security. I don't buy this, given that root's login name is well known :) If a system accepts remote root logins, an attacker need only guess or intercept one thing -- the root password -- to log in with root privileges. If it does not accept remote root logins, that attacker must guess or intercept three things: the login name of a user in the wheel group, that user's password, and also the root password. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:31:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB7A1065673 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385398FC25 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n4T8VMYL011005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 May 2009 01:31:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n4T8VMAO011004; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA06273; Fri, 29 May 09 01:21:05 PDT Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:20:15 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: pieter@degoeje.nl Message-Id: <4a1f9abf.cvGFQO5kBqnUsRZj%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <200905282101.03923.pieter@degoeje.nl> In-Reply-To: <200905282101.03923.pieter@degoeje.nl> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: character sets for file names on ufs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:31:28 -0000 Pieter de Goeje wrote: > % touch "??????????????? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ?????? ??? " > % ls > ??????????????? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ?????? ??? > % rm ???????????????\ ?????????\ ??????\ ????????????\ ??????\ ???\ > % > > (I don't have a clue what that means btw) Here it looks like a string of question marks and a few spaces. I have a suspicion that something in the path between your keyboard and my xterm is not 8-bit clean :( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:40:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8381F106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F6B8FC08 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n4T8en7f011837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 May 2009 01:40:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n4T8enFZ011836; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA06505; Fri, 29 May 09 01:35:50 PDT Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:35:00 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd@edvax.de Message-Id: <4a1f9e34.DbcPFQYdcplLHIxv%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:40:53 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > ... If the printer has PS or PCL, gs or even apsfilter will help. Dunno about PCL, but if the printer has PS it surely does not need gs. The whole point of gs -- in connection with printing -- is to translate PS into some other form that a non-PS printer can handle. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:46:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7F51065673 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from s2m-is-001.service2media.com (rev-130-102.virtu.nl [217.114.102.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8E78FC18 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pieter@degoeje.nl) Received: from nox-laptop.localnet ([10.0.1.45] RDNS failed) by s2m-is-001.service2media.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 29 May 2009 10:46:47 +0200 From: Pieter de Goeje To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:46:46 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.2 (Linux/2.6.28-12-generic; KDE/4.2.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <200905282101.03923.pieter@degoeje.nl> <4a1f9abf.cvGFQO5kBqnUsRZj%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <4a1f9abf.cvGFQO5kBqnUsRZj%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200905291046.47322.pieter@degoeje.nl> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2009 08:46:47.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[009E0210:01C9E03A] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: character sets for file names on ufs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:46:51 -0000 On Friday 29 May 2009 10:20:15 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Pieter de Goeje wrote: > > > % touch "??????????????? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ?????? ??? " > > % ls > > ??????????????? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ?????? ??? > > % rm ???????????????\ ?????????\ ??????\ ????????????\ ??????\ ???\ > > % > > > > (I don't have a clue what that means btw) > > Here it looks like a string of question marks and a few spaces. > > I have a suspicion that something in the path between your keyboard > and my xterm is not 8-bit clean :( > I think xterm cannot display the (braille) characters. I used konsole for this. The text was copied from UTF-8-Demo.txt [1]. -- Pieter de Goeje 1. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 08:54:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C70F106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:54:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696828FC18 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:54:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF97EB4DA6; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C8F4503F; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:20 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RXPSyKpeTLqg; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl59-123.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.186.123]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354C544002; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4T8sJ64017035; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:19 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4T8sJK8017034; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:19 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Fri, 29 May 2009 10:00:23 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:54:22 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 10:00:23 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and >>> trying to explain to others that it make sense. >> >> While a change like this is possible, it is going to be very very hard. >> To change something so deeply ingrained into the whole `culture' of > > why adding extra moderated list is a change of deeply ingrained culture? > Once again i'm not for shutting down that list. Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it is open. Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially-- only serve as a source of mild confusion. Imagine you are a new FreeBSD user. You know absolutely nothing about all this moderated vs. open list stuff. You only happen to stumble upon a listing of the two places on www.FreeBSD.org and their descriptions are: freebsd-questions - A list for general FreeBSD questions. freebsd-questions-moderated - A moderated list for FreeBSD questions. Now step back a bit, assume you are a new FreeBSD user, and you have to decide where to post. Where would you post and why? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 09:01:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CAE1065673 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mx1.esiee.fr (mx1.esiee.fr [147.215.1.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7ED8FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4341136DEA; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VAMS.dummy (Postfix) with SMTP id C85E537AA3; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from secure.esiee.fr (secure.esiee.fr [147.215.1.19]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6F937AA3; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lisa.esiee.fr (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bonnetf) by secure.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 889E5E7CEF; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1FA46D.10100@esiee.fr> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:01:33 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090525) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Cran References: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> <20090529091508.75cc6a4c@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <20090529091508.75cc6a4c@gluon.draftnet> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:01:41 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bruce Cran wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:14 +0200 > Frank Bonnet wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello >> >> I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but >> sound system does not work >> >> I have gnome installed and all the above services are running >> >> moused_enable="YES" >> nfs_client_enable="YES" >> sshd_enable="YES" >> linux_enable="YES" >> postfix_enable="YES" >> dovecot_enable="YES" >> dbus_enable=YES >> gdm_enable=YES >> hald_enable=YES >> avahi_daemon_enable=YES >> apache22_enable=YES > > Have you loaded the sound driver? Check /dev/sndstat to see if it's > running. > well ... it seems to be I loaded them by hand lisa.esiee.fr > kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 42 0xc0400000 9fab28 kernel 2 2 0xc0dfb000 289a4 linux.ko 3 1 0xc0e24000 75a7f4 nvidia.ko 4 1 0xc157f000 6a45c acpi.ko 5 1 0xc5b6b000 b000 ntfs.ko 6 1 0xc6eca000 7000 snd_emu10k1.ko 7 36 0xc94e0000 3f000 sound.ko 8 1 0xc5f6b000 2000 snd_driver.ko 9 1 0xc94bd000 5000 snd_vibes.ko 10 1 0xc664a000 4000 snd_via82c686.ko 11 1 0xc94d1000 7000 snd_via8233.ko 12 1 0xc94d8000 5000 snd_t4dwave.ko 13 3 0xc5f6d000 3000 snd_spicds.ko 14 1 0xc951f000 5000 snd_solo.ko 15 4 0xc682e000 4000 snd_sbc.ko 16 1 0xc6a75000 4000 snd_sb8.ko 17 1 0xc6a97000 4000 snd_sb16.ko 18 1 0xc9524000 11000 snd_neomagic.ko 19 2 0xc953f000 a000 snd_mss.ko 20 1 0xc9535000 9000 snd_maestro3.ko 21 1 0xc9551000 8000 snd_maestro.ko 22 1 0xc9549000 6000 snd_ich.ko 23 1 0xc956f000 19000 snd_hda.ko 24 1 0xc6bfd000 4000 snd_fm801.ko 25 1 0xc9559000 5000 snd_ess.ko 26 1 0xc9560000 8000 snd_es137x.ko 27 1 0xc9588000 7000 snd_envy24ht.ko 28 1 0xc9594000 8000 snd_envy24.ko 29 1 0xc95b7000 12000 snd_emu10kx.ko 30 1 0xc95c9000 b000 snd_ds1.ko 31 2 0xc959c000 7000 snd_csa.ko 32 1 0xc95a7000 5000 snd_cs4281.ko 33 1 0xc95b0000 5000 snd_cmi.ko 34 1 0xc95d4000 6000 snd_atiixp.ko 35 1 0xc95da000 5000 snd_als4000.ko -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkofpG0ACgkQ6f7UMO5oSsWeIQCgiAHMxlhrCT5WZnh2PuCHjszZ qn4AoJ86OuTMfwc3F9T0RseIwaU1qpYL =68uT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 09:01:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3B010656AC for ; 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Fri, 29 May 2009 01:29:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46dcef4e0905290126r3a046fe4k3eb30f7dfe45ff85@mail.gmail.com> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <46dcef4e0905290126r3a046fe4k3eb30f7dfe45ff85@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:29:12 +0400 Message-ID: <46dcef4e0905290129s74e40feap6cc04a6d7d5ecab7@mail.gmail.com> From: Prokofyev Vladislav To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Fwd: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:01:50 -0000 > > >> Very specifically that I was getting watchdog time outs and link status >> up down up on the re nic driver, hopefully 7.2 solves this. >> > > hmm i do have re(8) nic with 7.1 (6.3 before) - no problems. strange > almost the same.. three rl nic's with 7.0, no problems on all ifaces From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 09:06:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8031065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:06:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25418FC14 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:06:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlcNAAI8H0rUnw6S/2dsb2JhbACBSYkPhEG/RAiEBAU Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.146]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 29 May 2009 09:37:44 +0100 Received: from [81.174.174.115] (helo=main) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1M9xay-0003Fn-DL; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Graham Bentley" To: "Lars Eighner" References: <20090527221613.98D351065845@hub.freebsd.org> <024FF181E9F1495DB6B3C4AC45B4CFC0@main> <20090529021521.Q35417@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Plusnet-Relay: 8c111246218fe1ae1aa35b8581cdf780 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console - A Question actually about FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:06:25 -0000 Lars, Thanks for taking the time in your detailed reply and I will look into your suggestions however one thing about this eludes me ; I have never ever had to even think about this until 7.2 [ie in all previous verisons I chose uk.iso and swiss font - I always had £ key?] Thanks in any case (the list works, long live the list!) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 09:34:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F28106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9A08FC1F for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1075E243; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:34:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.907 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.907 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.693, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ymKtTTbxhvYG; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:34:18 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D214A4BE006; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:34:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:34:18 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090407) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:24 -0000 Wojciech Puchar skrev: >>>> Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server >>>> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed >>>> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed >>>> Protocol not supported by server >>> Do you have >>> dbus_enable="YES" >>> hald_enable="YES" >>> in your /etc/rc.conf ? >> >> Yes I have >> >>> If not: add them, reboot and try to create a new xorg.conf with >>> # Xorg -configure >> >> Produces the same result :-( >> > > wouldn't it be better to pkg_delete xserver, make config, turn off hal > dependency and then install. Probably it will work fine then. Sounds lika a good idea. I'll try it and repport back. /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 09:49:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABDD106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (brucec-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:c09::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6884B8FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304061923A; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:49:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=8.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from gluon.draftnet (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:0:240:f4ff:fe57:9871]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:49:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:49:05 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Frank Bonnet Message-ID: <20090529104905.28768a8d@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <4A1FA46D.10100@esiee.fr> References: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> <20090529091508.75cc6a4c@gluon.draftnet> <4A1FA46D.10100@esiee.fr> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:49:22 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:01:33 +0200 Frank Bonnet wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bruce Cran wrote: > > On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:14 +0200 > > Frank Bonnet wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Hello > >> > >> I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but > >> sound system does not work > >> > >> I have gnome installed and all the above services are running > >> > >> moused_enable="YES" > >> nfs_client_enable="YES" > >> sshd_enable="YES" > >> linux_enable="YES" > >> postfix_enable="YES" > >> dovecot_enable="YES" > >> dbus_enable=YES > >> gdm_enable=YES > >> hald_enable=YES > >> avahi_daemon_enable=YES > >> apache22_enable=YES > > > > Have you loaded the sound driver? Check /dev/sndstat to see if it's > > running. > > > > well ... it seems to be I loaded them by hand What does /dev/sndstat contain? You could also try running 'mixer' to see what, if any, channels are set to. -- Bruce From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 10:04:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED410106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:04:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rgunter@web117.opentransfer.com) Received: from smh01.opentransfer.com (smh01.opentransfer.com [71.18.216.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40788FC17 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:04:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rgunter@web117.opentransfer.com) Received: by smh01.opentransfer.com (Postfix, from userid 8) id D6C881020E05; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:25:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on smh01.opentransfer.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.4 Received: from web117.opentransfer.com (web117.opentransfer.com [72.41.255.198]) by smh01.opentransfer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1F61021104 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web117.opentransfer.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by web117.opentransfer.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n4T9Rf8V015928 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:27:41 -0500 X-opentransfer-URL: http://newpoint.us/cod.php Received: (from rgunter@localhost) by web117.opentransfer.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) id n4T9RfPc015914; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:27:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 04:27:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200905290927.n4T9RfPc015914@web117.opentransfer.com> To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Halifax Plc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Your Account Has Been Suspended X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:04:40 -0000 [logo.gif] Dear valued Halifax ® Member , Your access to Online Services has been suspended. 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Nothing I have seen in 20 >> years equals the audacity of the EU. As long as no 'standard' no >> matter how arbitrary, stupid or counter-productive exists, they are >> in theory safe from the EU. Besides, nothing stifles development as >> tightly as being bound to an arbitrary 'standard'. > >What a breathtakingly stupid remark. > >The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have >used illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies >and suppress competition. > >Or are you suggesting that a format or protocol which is implemented >by several different companies, allowing vendors to compete fairly on >other grounds (price, features, quality, ... ) while protecting >consumers by making it possible for them to move from one vendor to >another, is somehow a worse idea than a proprietary format or protocol >which is forced into a market-dominating position by illegal tactics >such as paying manufacturers extra to incorporate it, or penalising >them financially for providing competing products? The concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple. It attempts to create an artificial playing field that allows the incompetent to compete with the motivated. It forces those who create new technology to share it, usually sans monetary compensation, with common bottom feeders. A free, open market is the way to encourage development and new ideas and technology. Not some pathetic, socialistic concept. >If that's the case, why is no-one trying to use the courts to prevent >the use of ODF, a published standard which is now used by several >companies and Free Software projects to provide a common format for >documents? > >Once a company dominates a particular market it's held to a different >standard than other companies in that market - because the power of >the monopoly can be used not only to prevent competition in the >original market, but to extend the market domination into new markets, >by techniques like product tying, distributing at below cost >(effectively drawing subsidy from the original monopoly product) until >competitors are driven out of business, and so on. A company has the right to disperse their product as they see fit. I know a socialist like you finds that abhorrent; however, it is never the less true. Tell me, if I wanted to sell you a $300 thousand dollar Ferrari for $10, would you: A: complain to the police or what ever legal authority you feel so fit to complain to; B: slam $10 in my hand in a heart beat? I think we know the answer. You are a hypocrite. Has it ever occurred to you how a company grows and becomes successful? I know, in your world it is by using the Government to squash competition; however, in a truly free society, it is by hard word and giving the consumer what they want at a price they are willing to pay. Basic business 101. >Microsoft has been convicted of doing all these things, in US courts, >in courts in Asia, and in courts in Europe. These are matters of fact, >not opinion. > >Intel has been convicted of many of these things in courts in Asia and >in Europe. > >The fact that the US system is too supine to take action against these=20 >companies doesn't make the EU ``arrogant''. Let's not forget why Unix >took off and expanded the way it did: once upon a time the US courts >did take antitrust seriously, and prevented AT&T using its telco >monopoly to expand into market domination of the computer business. The spinelessness of the American court system is that they do not take legal action against European countries that practice reverse discrimination, or the outright breach of copyright laws, etc. I know, you socialists also abhor copyright laws. The concept of an individual actually benefiting from his/her hard work and not having to share it with every scum sucker who comes begging at his door disturbs you. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable. Fran Lebowitz, "Metropolitan Life" --Sig_/FxPOlEmbNJy1PY5cLFslzco Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkofvWsACgkQBvaKIJWWCO2w4ACgmTdmEvbFS30exnAV3iaOQ5sk fBkAnihGewgD9acZ9oZxsfgotWz4V3FJ =zSwj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/FxPOlEmbNJy1PY5cLFslzco-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 10:54:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCD4106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mx1.esiee.fr (mx1.esiee.fr [147.215.1.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8CB8FC18 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A42136D25; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VAMS.dummy (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C8E73C39B; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from secure.esiee.fr (secure.esiee.fr [147.215.1.19]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1863C39B; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lisa.esiee.fr (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bonnetf) by secure.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D4F5E7CEF; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1FBEE4.7040109@esiee.fr> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:54:28 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090525) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Cran References: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> <20090529091508.75cc6a4c@gluon.draftnet> <4A1FA46D.10100@esiee.fr> <20090529104905.28768a8d@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <20090529104905.28768a8d@gluon.draftnet> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:54:45 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bruce Cran wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:01:33 +0200 > Frank Bonnet wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Bruce Cran wrote: >>> On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:14 +0200 >>> Frank Bonnet wrote: >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but >>>> sound system does not work >>>> >>>> I have gnome installed and all the above services are running >>>> >>>> moused_enable="YES" >>>> nfs_client_enable="YES" >>>> sshd_enable="YES" >>>> linux_enable="YES" >>>> postfix_enable="YES" >>>> dovecot_enable="YES" >>>> dbus_enable=YES >>>> gdm_enable=YES >>>> hald_enable=YES >>>> avahi_daemon_enable=YES >>>> apache22_enable=YES >>> Have you loaded the sound driver? Check /dev/sndstat to see if it's >>> running. >>> >> well ... it seems to be I loaded them by hand > > What does /dev/sndstat contain? You could also try running 'mixer' > to see what, if any, channels are set to. > yes ... strange everything seems OK but ... still no sound when I try to use the gnome sound manager it says Waiting for sound system to respond cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2007061600/i386) Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xf0200800, 0xf0200a00 irq 21 bufsz 16384 [MPSAFE] (1p:1v/1r:1v channels duplex default) mixer Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 Mixer cd is currently set to 75:75 Mixer rec is currently set to 0:0 Mixer igain is currently set to 0:0 Mixer ogain is currently set to 50:50 Mixer line1 is currently set to 75:75 Mixer phin is currently set to 0:0 Mixer phout is currently set to 0:0 Recording source: mic -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkofvuQACgkQ6f7UMO5oSsX1YwCgsHEIxku6BswiVfr2VjOUWXYC jl4AoJ5vsJlJKrV4kFA/hSnuxsEkCT8T =D1LC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:03:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467BB1065677 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045C88FC17 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TB3OXY010330; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TAoZXE010280; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:50:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:50:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <4a1f9cf7.UEl7lAiK4FGe5eG7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9cf7.UEl7lAiK4FGe5eG7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:33 -0000 > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> Even 15 seconds of thinking is enough to understand that logging >> to other user and then su - gives completely no extra security. > > I don't buy this, given that root's login name is well known :) if someone can intercept the passwords you type, then he/she will intercept both user password you log in and then su password you type. He/she actually can gain more if you use su, as you may use the same user password somewhere else. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:03:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CCF106567A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074AE8FC18 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TB3OXU010330; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TB1nwc010305; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Prokofyev Vladislav In-Reply-To: <46dcef4e0905290129s74e40feap6cc04a6d7d5ecab7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956CF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <46dcef4e0905290126r3a046fe4k3eb30f7dfe45ff85@mail.gmail.com> <46dcef4e0905290129s74e40feap6cc04a6d7d5ecab7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:33 -0000 >>> >> >> hmm i do have re(8) nic with 7.1 (6.3 before) - no problems. strange >> > > almost the same.. three rl nic's with 7.0, no problems on all ifaces rl and re are different drivers for different chips, just both produced by realtek ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:03:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FC5106567B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750E68FC1C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TB3OXe010330; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TAgsXn010263; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:42:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:42:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:34 -0000 >> >> Anyway i am against any such regulations. Free Market is a best regulator. >> As people DO LIKE their products and the slavery by using them - their >> problem. >> > > Do you really think the free market protects our freedoms? When it's FREE it does. Of course there are lot of people that believe in socialism and other nonsense about controlling free market. And the more controlled market is, the worse is life, add constant brainwashing to this, and EVEN more people start to believe in it, then it gets even worse until everything falls completely. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:03:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9C3106567C; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFAC8FC1B; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TB3OXa010330; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TB154l010302; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:34 -0000 > > Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it > is open. Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially-- > only serve as a source of mild confusion. Imagine you are a new FreeBSD > user. Try to imagine it now. i see the webpage, the mailing lists, and ftp with installs and documentation. webpage - clear, understandable, read and understood documentation - simply excellent, nothing else to say. unmoderated mailing lists - total off-topic mess, is it really FreeBSD support? or maybe it's a chat. moderated mailing list - not very much here, but at least about FreeBSD. for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD. Of course after reading documentation and trying to learn myself. Lets compare it to many other people with "different" and more common expectations. What he/she thinks: webpage - quite not trendy, so little graphics, anyway clear i go forward documentation - what it is? some technical info for programmers i think. but why they put it here? OK lets skip this. ftp with install - OK finally something ! and he/she booted the CD/DVD and by just clicking OK installed FreeBSD by accident. And then don't know what's up. So he/she needs help and see: moderated mailing list - hmm.. looks somehow too technical, i don't understand anything. unmoderated mailing lists - EXCELLENT, they even tell my how to install KDE! Then he/she installs KDE, is proud about having such "professional unix system" on his/her computer. After few months and lots of questions on mailing list he/she still doesn't understand at all what's happening on the computer. Proudness already faded and he/she installs windows back. In windows he/she too - don't understand what's going on, but at least it's clear way how to install programs (just click), and he/she THINKS she understand something. At the end - ALL ARE HAPPY. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:03:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3246E106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E088FC13 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TB3OXk010330; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TAkj2d010270; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:46:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:46:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <200905281444.45342.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:37 -0000 >> for running telnet - even in a "secure" (ha!) environment - when so much >> better alternatives exist. >> >> Let me shoot you a hypothetical: your webserver gets compromised. > > Something I pointed out earlier. and what? assuming it will actually be possible to get root access at all because of bug it such buggy things like PHP, mysql etc. (unlikely) what he will do? arp attack from within jail? But just please accept that other people are DIFFERENT than you. You prefer just repeating things that you considered "simply the best" once (like ssh), i prefer something more. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:03:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436CC1065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E19D8FC1E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TB3OXi010330; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TAn4sR010277; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:49:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:49:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <4a1f9849.pQymwXa+Jjy6Cj9K%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9849.pQymwXa+Jjy6Cj9K%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd@edvax.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:39 -0000 >> CUPS isn't extra software in my opinions. > > CUPS is a PITA, but it may nevertheless be the "least bad" > solution if one is stuck with a junk printer. i really have nicer things to do that fighting with winprinter, when i can get normal printer for really low price. > Decent, network-capable, PostScript printers do not have to be > costly. I bought a Samsung ML-2571N at Fry's for something like > $60(US) a year or two ago. All I had to do was plug it into the > network, add its IP address to /etc/hosts, add a suitable entry > to /etc/printcap, and lpr "just works". No need to bother with > CUPS. postscript printers are easiest, but PCL as not much more difficult, just write simple filter using ghostscript. Even not write - just modify existing examples like below #!/bin/sh # # ifhp - Print Ghostscript-simulated PostScript on a DesJet 500 # Installed in /usr/local/libexec/hpif # # Treat LF as CR+LF: # printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 # # Read first two characters of the file # read first_line first_two_chars=`expr "$first_line" : '\(..\)'` if [ "$first_two_chars" = "%!" ]; then # # It is PostScript; use Ghostscript to scan-convert and print it # /usr/local/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -sDEVICE=ljet4 -sOutputFile=- - \ && exit 0 else # # Plain text or HP/PCL, so just print it directly; print a form # at the end to eject the last page. # echo "$first_line" && cat && printf "\f" && exit 0 fi exit 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:03:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E516810656A6 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F017F8FC13 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TB3OXc010330; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TAdt35010259; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:39:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:39:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Johan Hendriks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:44 -0000 >> itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs >> > > I don't think PHP itself is buggy, in fact I think badly written C > programs are responsible for far more lossage. It all depends who write programs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:13:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC28410656B3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holler_f@informatik.haw-hamburg.de) Received: from mail1.is.haw-hamburg.de (mail1.is.haw-hamburg.de [141.22.192.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B448FC1E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holler_f@informatik.haw-hamburg.de) Received: from whiteshark.holler (e176145031.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.176.145.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.is.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBAA76FE9 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:46:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:44:41 +0200 From: Fabian Holler To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090529104441.GP98712@whiteshark.holler> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+tDoj9+U2XbkXuwv" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV at mailgate.haw-hamburg.de Subject: pppoe routing problem, default route isnt used for some hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:13:14 -0000 --+tDoj9+U2XbkXuwv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have an strange routing problem. I can't connect to some hosts in the internet till I add an explicit route for this hosts with my default gw as gateway. There aren't any other routes that could match the destination IP for "non-working hosts". So the connection should also without an explicit route for this Hosts use the default gw. My Setup: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE mppd to make an PPPOE connection to my internet service provider. PF as firewall To isolate the problem I used an minimal pf.conf: --- "inetif=3Dng0 lanif=3Dvr0 scrub all max-mss 1492 pass quick on lo0 all pass out on $inetif proto { tcp udp icmp } all keep state" pass on $lanif from any to any --- I also tried pppd instead of mppd(dont helps). Hosts that I can't connect to, are ie spiegel.de, tagesschau.de, freebsd.org southparkstudios.com I.e TCP connections to Port 80 of southparkstudios.com dont work. If I add an explicit route: "route add southparkstudios.com 213.191.84.199" Connections with nc to port 80 works (the connections tests are made from the router, the iface MTUs are correct) Anybody have an idea what could be wrong? I have no idea anymore (its also not an provider problem, when i made the pppoe connection from wi= ndows I can connect to alls hosts) thanks for any hints:) best regards Fabian ------------------------------------- My routing table: " # netstat -ra Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default lo1.br04.weham.de. UGS 0 15505 ng0 1.1.1.1&0x1010101 link#1 UC 0 0 rl0 exxx45031.adsl.al lo0 UHS 0 0 lo0 localhost localhost UH 0 433 lo0 192.168.113.0 link#2 UC 0 0 vr0 xyz 00:30:18:ad:26:88 UHLW 1 24005 lo0 mail.xyz.ath.cx 00:30:18:ad:26:88 UHLW 1 86400 lo0 http.xyz.ath.cx 00:30:18:ad:26:88 UHLW 1 770 lo0 192.168.113.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 1 3228 vr0 lo1.br04.weham.de. e176145031.adsl.al UH 1 0 ng0 [... ipv6 stuff] " Interface infos: " # netstat -ira Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts Oerrs = Coll rl0 1492 00:02:2a:b0:4a:e0 26128479 0 19855993 0 = 0 01:00:5e:00:00:01 0 0 rl0 1492 1.1.1.1&0x101 1.1.1.1 0 - 2653 - = - ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST vr0 1500 00:30:18:ad:26:88 12662831 0 17678949 0 = 0 01:00:5e:00:00:01 2038 0 vr0 1500 192.168.113.0 xyz 9745471 - 13639692 - - ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST vr0 1500 192.168.113.0 mail.xyz.a 291626 - 86404 - - ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST vr0 1500 192.168.113.0 http.xyz.a 6814 - 770 - - ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST lo0 16384 113929 0 113929 0 = 0 lo0 16384 fe80:3::1 fe80:3::1 0 - 0 - = - ff01:3::1 (refs: 1) ff02:3::2:a61d:93b4(refs: 1) ff02:3::1 (refs: 1) ff02:3::1:ff00:1 (refs: 1) lo0 16384 localhost ::1 0 - 0 - = - ff01:3::1 (refs: 1) ff02:3::2:a61d:93b4(refs: 1) ff02:3::1 (refs: 1) ff02:3::1:ff00:1 (refs: 1) lo0 16384 your-net localhost 433 - 2433 - = - ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST pflog 33204 0 0 80567 0 = 0 tun0* 1500 78331 0 76381 0 = 0 tun99 1500 353 0 375 0 = 0 ng0 1492 17114096 0 13449463 0 = 0 ng0 1492 85.176.145.31 e176145031.adsl.a 12398 - 17011 - = - ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST " mpd.conf: " default: load PPPoE PPPoE: new -i ng0 PPPoE PPPoE set iface addrs 1.1.1.1 2.2.2.2 set iface route default set iface enable on-demand set iface idle 0 set bundle disable multilink set bundle authname "xxy" set iface disable tcpmssfix set link no acfcomp protocomp set link disable pap chap set link accept chap set link mtu 1492 set link mru 1492 set link keep-alive 10 60 set ipcp yes vjcomp set iface enable tcpmssfix#I know pf also do this in my setup, but = Iam despaired:) set ipcp ranges 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 set nat disable log +link open iface " mpd.links: "PPPoE: =20 set link type pppoe set pppoe iface rl0 set pppoe disable incoming set pppoe enable originate " --+tDoj9+U2XbkXuwv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkofvJkACgkQeki1sRhDXQB+2gCfbPmDnnKPYI9QCngG+Px8n43Y TiUAmwX80ezfNkokSKAqWLQLWdseq3at =cN/L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+tDoj9+U2XbkXuwv-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:16:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413B41065678 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAEF8FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TBGf3Z010582; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:16:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TBGfsW010579; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:16:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:16:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Frank Bonnet In-Reply-To: <4A1FBEE4.7040109@esiee.fr> Message-ID: References: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> <20090529091508.75cc6a4c@gluon.draftnet> <4A1FA46D.10100@esiee.fr> <20090529104905.28768a8d@gluon.draftnet> <4A1FBEE4.7040109@esiee.fr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:16:56 -0000 > Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer cd is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer rec is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer igain is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer ogain is currently set to 50:50 > Mixer line1 is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer phin is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer phout is currently set to 0:0 looks absolutely fine. i don't know what's gnome doing but try cat /dev/random >/dev/audio and tell if you hear the noise From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:29:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A3C1065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771A58FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TBTTDu010616 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:29:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TBTTXv010613 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:29:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:29:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:29:34 -0000 > The concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple. It attempts to unfortunately yes. and i'm so unfortunate to live here. Strange enough Poland are fortunately very "behind" in this at least under current government, but the question is how long... > feeders. A free, open market is the way to encourage development and > new ideas and technology. Not some pathetic, socialistic concept. Free means everybody will decide if to share ideas and work or not, instead of beaurocratic parasites deciding for them. If anyone thinks that there will be no sharing then - welcome to FreeBSD :) IMHO Really good deal of code in this system is something that people wrote themselves because they needed for their business, and then gave it back without any force. am i right? > A company has the right to disperse their product as they see fit. I > know a socialist like you finds that abhorrent; however, it is never the He fortunately isn't dangerous socialist, just repeating what he learned from constant propaganda. nothing else. Those who tell similar ideas just because he want to get into politics or become a clerk to get easily money - are bad but still not as dangerous. The really dangerous are those who really truly believe in that shit and do everything to make it happen. In computer world Richard Stallman is good example with his GNU ideas and communist licence. Developing things under GNU licence is complete waste of time, as less and less companies will use it's product. Does it make sense that - for example - i develop quite complex software/hardware and just used some simple part of GNU code to save time and not reinvent a wheel - and then i have to share ALL MY WORK, including my "trade secrets"? No it doesn't, i would rather seek for BSD licenced things, use it, then contribute back any improvement i made to it. Not because some f..n EU clerk requested me to do this, but because i get something and want to reward. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:33:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D03E106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735B58FC19 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:33:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TB3OXW010330; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TB2XnF010309; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:02:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:02:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Leslie Jensen In-Reply-To: <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> Message-ID: References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:33:29 -0000 >>> Produces the same result :-( >>> >> >> wouldn't it be better to pkg_delete xserver, make config, turn off hal >> dependency and then install. Probably it will work fine then. > > Sounds lika a good idea. I'll try it and repport back. > /Leslie > > of course turn off hald, and run moused. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:33:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC63106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4241A8FC1B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TB3OXg010330; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TAcuGM010255; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:39:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:38:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Manolis Kiagias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:33:32 -0000 > > Actually, this looks far more about interoperability, especially since > as you said, the 200 GB _is_ _for_ _FreeBSD_ > > Just because you don't know the answer to a question doesn't mean it's > off-topic. for you - as usual - everything i wrote is the proof i don't know the answer. You are boring with this From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:47:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2D1106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:47:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446E08FC0C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:47:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA1DEB59A2; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:47:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215DB44002; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:47:19 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EyaclbS+7CiT; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:47:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl59-123.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.186.123]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77D744FE2; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:47:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TBlHrB039865; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:47:17 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4TBlHSS039864; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:47:17 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:47:17 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:04 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87my8w6shm.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:47:21 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:04 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it >> is open. Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially-- >> only serve as a source of mild confusion. Imagine you are a new FreeBSD >> user. > > Try to imagine it now. > > i see the webpage, the mailing lists, and ftp with installs and > documentation. > > webpage - clear, understandable, read and understood > documentation - simply excellent, nothing else to say. > unmoderated mailing lists - total off-topic mess, is it really FreeBSD > support? or maybe it's a chat. > moderated mailing list - not very much here, but at least about > FreeBSD. for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD. This includes at least two hypothetical scenarios: a) That the current list is an off-topic 'mess'. b) That a moderated list would not be a 'mess'. The 'mess' you are basing the rest of the arguments on is an unproven hypothesis until you go through all the trouble of proving it. I, for example, do not consider the current freebsd-questions a 'mess' by any far stretch of imagination. I like the people who hang out here and explain what amusing and wonderful things they can do with FreeBSD. I have even learned new and exciting things by simply lurking here and watching the replies others are giving. So you have at least one important step before convincing the postmasters that we need to 'fix' a problem: Collect data and summarize it in a very concise and readable way that proves there *is* a problem. Note that this is going to be a bit tricky though. A great percentage of the posts in this very same thread may fall in the 'off topic' category you are trying to describe. Many of them have been sent by none other than the person who defines this particular notion of off-topic-ness: you again. It may be worth stopping for a moment to think about it. If this very same list was one that matches what you describe you would have *never* been free to post a great deal of the messages you are posting now. Would you choose to subscribe to it then? Would you still enjoy being a party in the collective group of people who post on this discussion forum? If the answer is 'no', then it means your ideal state of this list is a bit less than 'ideal', because it would fail to satisfy even you, the one who defined this ideal. If the answer is 'yes', then it means that you actually enjoy being free to post in a discussion forum that is open to all sorts of FreeBSD topics, as long as they have even the smallest semblance of a question (i.e. one valid question is then 'What is FreeBSD and why should I prefer it over Linux?'). But if the openness of the list is actually a nice attribute, then the effort to close it down or to introduce a less enjoyable form of a list for general FreeBSD questions is a bit wrong. It's really a very strange argument the one you are trying to make, and you haven't even *started* to prove that there is a 'mess', to base it upon. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:56:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED35106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AB98FC1A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:56:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TBtuPX010828; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:55:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TBtuXe010825; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:55:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:55:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87my8w6shm.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87my8w6shm.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:56:04 -0000 >> FreeBSD. for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD. > > This includes at least two hypothetical scenarios: > > a) That the current list is an off-topic 'mess'. it is and will be. > b) That a moderated list would not be a 'mess'. b is implicit if rules will be clearly defined. > Collect data and summarize it in a very concise and readable > way that proves there *is* a problem. already told you i will > Note that this is going to be a bit tricky though. A great percentage of > the posts in this very same thread may fall in the 'off topic' category you i will try to exclude "flamewar" posts at all from statistic. > It may be worth stopping for a moment to think about it. If this very same > list was one that matches what you describe you would have *never* been > free to post a great deal of the messages you are posting now. so i will not. simple. > > Would you choose to subscribe to it then? Would you still enjoy being a For sure. i will be subscribed to moderated list when i could get help and could help normal unix users about FreeBSD. I will probably be still subscribed to not moderated one and look sometimes when i will have free time and good humour to have lots of fun, explain to KDE/Gnome/windows fans what unix is, talk about politics, global warming and nice girls etc. etc. Or maybe sometimes even get help or be helpful, for example with questions like "do you know a program that do this and that?". This is an example when i've actually got help and was off topic. That's why i say that off topic list must be kept too as is. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 12:09:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5794710658EF for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:09:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mx1.esiee.fr (mx1.esiee.fr [147.215.1.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE508FC1B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:09:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE4F136C9D; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VAMS.dummy (Postfix) with SMTP id 414353C311; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from secure.esiee.fr (secure.esiee.fr [147.215.1.19]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EE83C311; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lisa.esiee.fr (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bonnetf) by secure.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27BD4E7CEF; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1FD066.5040400@esiee.fr> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:09:10 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090525) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> <20090529091508.75cc6a4c@gluon.draftnet> <4A1FA46D.10100@esiee.fr> <20090529104905.28768a8d@gluon.draftnet> <4A1FBEE4.7040109@esiee.fr> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:09:27 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 >> Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 >> Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 >> Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 >> Mixer cd is currently set to 75:75 >> Mixer rec is currently set to 0:0 >> Mixer igain is currently set to 0:0 >> Mixer ogain is currently set to 50:50 >> Mixer line1 is currently set to 75:75 >> Mixer phin is currently set to 0:0 >> Mixer phout is currently set to 0:0 > > looks absolutely fine. > > i don't know what's gnome doing but try > > cat /dev/random >/dev/audio > > and tell if you hear the noise nothing -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkof0GYACgkQ6f7UMO5oSsXuUgCgjhPwhUq+FUbhGX21jhRbSkst IJsAoK8XyiYxur7LhHUC1Z5ZA+DAnU0p =XNTP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 12:12:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E200B1065714 for ; 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Fri, 29 May 2009 05:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:12:14 +0300 Message-ID: <7dc029620905290512m7463a99akf0bb0a3497ab6ddb@mail.gmail.com> From: Mike Barnard To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Growing a ZFS file system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:12:17 -0000 Hi, I have a zfs pool of about 700GB, on it, i have a file system, home, mounted on /home and its 200GB. The file system has reached 100% capacity and im in need of growing it... Unfortunately i cannot find any documentation on how to grow a zfs file system. Any one done this? PS: I want to grow my file system to 400GB Regards, Mike -- Mike Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one in a million chances happen 99% of the time. ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 12:21:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19B6106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:21:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF6E8FC0C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6189090bwz.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:21:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=19y59tnYkNwadmXsYv1Oad9ePBEiidGJO+U1ZKcTIkE=; b=rdQ0l8maNsufSX38a404XEZAcU8jZGIbsTCU28nfv7M3+ol7CBx+MtX49nyLcA6AcX MtRkgMrjlYFZtFBe2/P148yAFO7k3wHVhpywwggYV7P8nhxgtHBwiLYfszCzQE9qb67X xtHxl7VyOWt5qO61DAI65xEx08NN75HiExEpE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=WbQ7FIilosxZga8QQLoyWap9h0bGMJ8cF2ZYQtcMIzFhDnL2cUYA1swXlWqllJ6fm7 ObC1h1ILNaDet9mHZlk5P9dkXtG2ObmI33aUKYAqm2M0wYkqhWWRbV1eq7KA4uGQRhEi FiNOMFDRiiHmVOO7Sm49o4Q58xTLfGBVGz5Eo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.175.9 with SMTP id c9mr1616195mup.3.1243599667135; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:21:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7dc029620905290512m7463a99akf0bb0a3497ab6ddb@mail.gmail.com> References: <7dc029620905290512m7463a99akf0bb0a3497ab6ddb@mail.gmail.com> From: Valentin Bud Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:20:47 +0300 Message-ID: <139b44430905290520p5b293751l15ec562088b4b959@mail.gmail.com> To: Mike Barnard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Growing a ZFS file system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:21:08 -0000 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Mike Barnard wrote: > Hi, > > I have a zfs pool of about 700GB, on it, i have a file system, home, > mounted > on /home and its 200GB. The file system has reached 100% capacity and im in > need of growing it... Unfortunately i cannot find any documentation on how > to grow a zfs file system. Any one done this? > > PS: I want to grow my file system to 400GB > > Regards, > > Mike > > -- > Mike > > Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one in > a million chances happen 99% of the time. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > If you mounted /honme as a file system on the pool of 700 GB and you didn't used any attributes of zfs to force /home to have *only* 200GB than you just have to remove the attributes regarding the space. ZFS grows automatically, you don't have to manually enlarge it. The above is true if the filesystem is ZFS not UFS on top of ZFS. v -- network warrior since 2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 12:32:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F411065674 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:32:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223268FC13 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from relay31.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay31.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 88D681B402E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay31.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 638421B401F; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:32:33 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:32:28 -0400 From: Tom Worster To: Pieter de Goeje , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: character sets for file names on ufs? Thread-Index: AcngWYcY0UZ310EgBEix53hBGhj35w== In-Reply-To: <200905282101.03923.pieter@degoeje.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: character sets for file names on ufs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:32:34 -0000 On 5/28/09 3:01 PM, "Pieter de Goeje" wrote: > If you set your locale to UTF-8, you can use unicode characters in filenames. works like a charm. thanks for the tip! tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 12:52:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB3F106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84518FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MA1ZM-0003Ws-G3; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:52:26 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644162F2B339; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A1FDA86.1030905@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:52:22 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pieter Donche References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Cc: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: 7-7.2 upgrade, websvn X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:52:28 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Pieter Donche wrote: > Recently upgraded 7.0->7.2 > a user tells that he gets, using websvn > Error running this command: svn --config-dir /tmp --version > svn: not found > anyone a similar experience? > _______________________________________________ Hi Pieter, I haven't run into that problem yet, but here are some questions to help troubleshoot it: - - Dumb question alert :-) I assume that websvn and svn were installed from ports on the 7.0 system? - - On the upgraded system, what is the output of "pkg_info | grep -i websvn" and "pkg_info | grep -i subversion"? - - Has the websvn config file been edited to point to the svn executable? Specifically, you may need to add this line: $config->setSVNCommandPath("/usr/local/bin/"); Hope that helps, and post the answers to those questions back here. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. 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([203.92.44.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1268946qwh.44.2009.05.29.06.00.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 29 May 2009 06:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1FDC65.5040207@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:30:21 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: <4A1E8824.1020604@gmail.com> <81CA7451D4C324A373C6451B@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <81CA7451D4C324A373C6451B@utd65257.utdallas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roland Smith , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Need sed to do something which sounds simple X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:00:30 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Thursday, May 28, 2009 07:48:36 -0500 Manish Jain > wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I need sed to do something which sounds simple, but I can't figure out >> the right command. All I need to do is insert a blank after a '}' at the >> end of a line if the next line begins immediately afterwards (i.e. with >> no blank line between). >> >> //abc.cpp : >> int myclass::fx(int * arg) >> { >> if(! (isValid())) >> { >> return -1; >> } >> return ptr->fx(arg); >> } >> >> //what-i-want.cpp : >> int myclass::fx(int * arg) >> { >> if(! (isValid())) >> { >> return -1; >> } >> >> return ptr->fx(arg); >> } >> >> The commands I have tried are : >> >> i) >> sed -e 's/\(}$\)\n\(^[[:space:]]*[[:alpha:]]\+\)/\1\n\n\2/' \ >> what-i-want.cpp >> >> ii) >> sed -e 's/\(}$\)\(^[[:space:]]*[[:alpha:]]\+\)/\1\n\2/' \ >> what-i-want.cpp >> >> but obviously neither works, which is why posting this message. >> >> Can anybody please tell me what the correct command would be like ? >> > > Seems like this would work to add a space only to lines where the next > line only has a new line : > > sed ' /\}$/ { N /}$\n\n/ { s/\}$\n/\} $\n/} } ' file > > If the possibility exists that the new line might have spaces as well, > you could do this: > > sed ' /\}$/ { N /}$\n\n/ { s/\}$\n[ ]?/\} $\n/} } ' > > Note: I haven't tested this, so it may require some modification. Read > this page on dealing with multiple lines in sed to gain further > understanding - http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html > Hello Paul, After reading the sed document, the following worked for me : sed ' /}$/ { N s/}\n\([[:space:]]\+\)\n*/}\n\n\1/ }' what-i-want.cpp This keeps the indentation intact. Thanks for the help & -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:01:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C76110656E0 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F658FC08 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8142416C00F6; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4TD1X1R001639; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:01:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:01:33 +0200 From: Polytropon To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-Id: <20090529150133.1897bd88.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4a1f9849.pQymwXa+Jjy6Cj9K%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9849.pQymwXa+Jjy6Cj9K%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:42 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 01:09:45 -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > CUPS is a PITA, but it may nevertheless be the "least bad" > solution if one is stuck with a junk printer. Don't get me wrong, please: I do not like CUPS, and I don't use it (I prefer apsfilter). CUPS requires too much dependencies that I don't have any use for. But regarding its alternatives... there are none. Those "modern"# printers can usually only get to work using CUPS, because apsfilter doesn't support the "most modern" printers, has no support for PPD files (as far as I know, never needed it), and the printers itself cannot be made confirming to standards. > Decent, network-capable, PostScript printers do not have to be > costly. I didn't say they have. It's always a question of the printers quality (how good it works, how long it works) and the amount of toner they come with; for inkjet stuff, criteria are similar (allthough I don't know an inkjet printer with PS and network). Even used stuff, therefore cheap, is still of high quality. > I bought a Samsung ML-2571N at Fry's for something like > $60(US) a year or two ago. All I had to do was plug it into the > network, add its IP address to /etc/hosts, add a suitable entry > to /etc/printcap, and lpr "just works". No need to bother with > CUPS. Done the same with HP Laserjet 4000 duplex - it even received an IP automatically via DHCP, so I just had to "arp -a" and edit /etc/hosts and /etc/printcap. The lpq / lprm tools seemed to operate on the printer server inside the printer. > For color, I got a > Xerox printer or a few hundred US$ a while back. Like the Samsung > it has PostScript, networking, and lpd support built in; another > pair of /etc/hosts and /etc/printcap entries and lpr "just works" > for it also. I'll note this for the upcoming topic of getting a color laser printer some times in the future. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:02:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA92B106570F for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FEA8FC25 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:02:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TD2nSC011193; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:02:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TD2n2u011190; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:02:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:02:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mike Barnard In-Reply-To: <7dc029620905290512m7463a99akf0bb0a3497ab6ddb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <7dc029620905290512m7463a99akf0bb0a3497ab6ddb@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Growing a ZFS file system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:02:57 -0000 > > I have a zfs pool of about 700GB, on it, i have a file system, home, mounted > on /home and its 200GB. The file system has reached 100% capacity and im in zfs doesn't have static allocation of space for subfilesystems at all! you just have set a quota RTFM - to be exact man zfs From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:03:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D121065819 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331F78FC22 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A296EB59FB; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:03:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C496450C6; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:03:43 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7mzal-JnBKZT; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:03:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl59-123.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.186.123]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B01C4509B; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:03:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TD3gX7051573; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:03:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4TD3fBY051572; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:03:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87my8w6shm.fsf@kobe.laptop> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:03:41 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Fri, 29 May 2009 13:55:56 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87octcuklu.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:45 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:55:56 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> FreeBSD. for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD. >> >> This includes at least two hypothetical scenarios: >> >> a) That the current list is an off-topic 'mess'. > > it is and will be. > >> b) That a moderated list would not be a 'mess'. > > b is implicit if rules will be clearly defined. Not necessarily. There were 'rules' in Nazi Germany too, and there usually exist at least some 'rules' in oppressive regimes, but they do not necessarily, by virtue of their mere existence, lead to satisfying results. But this is a philosophical digression that may be more interesting for other discussion forums. >> Collect data and summarize it in a very concise and readable >> way that proves there *is* a problem. > > already told you i will Thank you! I'll be watching for interesting updates :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:04:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D38D10656A3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:04:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4E68FC1B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TD4VBX011215; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:04:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TD4VP5011212; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:04:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:04:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Frank Bonnet In-Reply-To: <4A1FD066.5040400@esiee.fr> Message-ID: References: <4A1F90AA.50002@esiee.fr> <20090529091508.75cc6a4c@gluon.draftnet> <4A1FA46D.10100@esiee.fr> <20090529104905.28768a8d@gluon.draftnet> <4A1FBEE4.7040109@esiee.fr> <4A1FD066.5040400@esiee.fr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:04:46 -0000 >> >> cat /dev/random >/dev/audio >> >> and tell if you hear the noise > > nothing > so it's all fine with config. i would do sent-pr because it's driver problem. I think it's just matter of simple quirk with not-really-compatible hardware. Assuming that something isn't broken with it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:07:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3AA1065675 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7798FC16 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:07:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F4916C1A36; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:04:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4TD4t0R001643; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:04:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:04:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-Id: <20090529150455.618e732f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4a1f9abf.cvGFQO5kBqnUsRZj%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <200905282101.03923.pieter@degoeje.nl> <4a1f9abf.cvGFQO5kBqnUsRZj%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pieter@degoeje.nl, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: character sets for file names on ufs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:07:41 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 01:20:15 -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Pieter de Goeje wrote: > > > % touch "??????????????? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ?????? ??? " > > % ls > > ??????????????? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ?????? ??? > > % rm ???????????????\ ?????????\ ??????\ ????????????\ ??????\ ???\ > > % > > > > (I don't have a clue what that means btw) > > Here it looks like a string of question marks and a few spaces. > > I have a suspicion that something in the path between your keyboard > and my xterm is not 8-bit clean :( Now, because of quoting, I see the question marks, too. Before the characters seemed to be Braille characters (dotmatrix characters in a 2x3 matrix to be read by blind persons), but I can't remember the letters anymore in order to "translate". :-) By the way, I'm using Sylpheed 2.4.7. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:08:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9A110656A7 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:08:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1998FC0C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:08:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MA1p1-0003nS-1k; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:08:37 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4EB2F2B545; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:08:33 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Norgaard References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:08:40 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Hi: > > I recently upgraded to FBSD7.2 and decided to upgrade my ports as well, > upgrading perl to 5.10. Now www/libapreq2 won't build: > > cd perl; gmake > gmake[2]: Entering directory > `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl' > cp lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm > cp lib/Apache2/Upload.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Upload.pm > cp lib/Apache2/Request.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Request.pm > cp lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm blib/lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm > make: don't know how to make w. Stop > gmake[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 2 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory > `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl' > gmake[1]: *** [perl_glue] Error 2 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory > `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue' > gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2. > > clearly, gmake fails, but since perl generates the Makefile, could this > be a problem caused by upgrade to 5.10? Any solution? > > Thanks, Erik > Hi Erik, I can confirm that this is also a problem on 7.0-RELEASE with Perl 5.8.9 installed. I'm pretty sure I've seen an error like this while working on a port a few months back. I'll take a look and see if I can jog my memory about what the solution was. Regards, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKH95R0sRouByUApARAiZYAJ95K0RE4r2t+01aMD6iX3WtQlxnmgCfc+0r OvsAK6H+XBYXsGHKtADp8vg= =nsHD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:13:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D5B106568B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8707B8FC20 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:13:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TDDEpf011274; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:13:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TDDElc011271; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:13:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:13:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090529150133.1897bd88.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9849.pQymwXa+Jjy6Cj9K%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20090529150133.1897bd88.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:13:30 -0000 > But regarding its alternatives... there are none. Those "modern"# > printers can usually only get to work using CUPS, because apsfilter there are. don't use these "modern" printers. Of course not all of them. It's natural that you buy hardware that will be supported by software you use. CUPS is like workaround for me. >> Decent, network-capable, PostScript printers do not have to be >> costly. > > I didn't say they have. It's always a question of the printers postscript printer is the simplest solution. anyway - they MAY NOT print every page because they have limited hardware capacity and may be not able to process overcomplex postscript files. Possibly not a big deal today as their capacity is better than before, but in case of problems you may use ghostscript as ps-to-ps filter. > quality (how good it works, how long it works) and the amount > of toner they come with; for inkjet stuff, criteria are similar Unless you need to print no more than 10 pages a month, i recommend against buying any inkjet printer. They are incredibly costly to use, even when being damn cheap to buy. > Done the same with HP Laserjet 4000 duplex - it even received > an IP automatically via DHCP, so I just had to "arp -a" and > edit /etc/hosts and /etc/printcap. The lpq / lprm tools seemed > to operate on the printer server inside the printer. For non-ethernet printers like my laserjet 4 there are often available original print server modules for them for really nothing (i paid <10$) if not, and you need ethernet connectivity, then this http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=50&pl1_id=7&pl2_id=34 is a perfect choice. i recommend it for every unix user. As they are advertised as mostly for windows, i actually found configuring it under unix very simple exactly as you said (/etc/printcap), while incredibly complex under windows ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:14:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC9D10656FA for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570338FC12 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TDEKP4011287; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:14:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TDEK9w011284; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:14:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:14:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87octcuklu.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87my8w6shm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87octcuklu.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:28 -0000 > > Not necessarily. > > There were 'rules' in Nazi Germany too, and there usually exist at least > some 'rules' in oppressive regimes, but they do not necessarily, by > virtue of their mere existence, lead to satisfying results. The difference is that you have choice here, people living in Nazi Germany (and Poland) that times didn't. >> >> already told you i will > > Thank you! I'll be watching for interesting updates :) > > OK no later than tomorrow morning From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:24:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9304E106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (macos.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7A98FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TDO2Js047594; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:24:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TDO236047591; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:24:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) X-Authentication-Warning: macos.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:24:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@macos.cmi.ua.ac.be To: Greg Larkin In-Reply-To: <4A1FDA86.1030905@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <4A1FDA86.1030905@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: 7-7.2 upgrade, websvn X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:24:06 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009, Greg Larkin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Pieter Donche wrote: > > Recently upgraded 7.0->7.2 > > a user tells that he gets, using websvn > > Error running this command: svn --config-dir /tmp --version > > svn: not found > > anyone a similar experience? > > _______________________________________________ > I haven't run into that problem yet, but here are some questions to help > troubleshoot it: > > - - Dumb question alert :-) I assume that websvn and svn were installed > from ports on the 7.0 system? svn from ports, websvn from tarball (used by 1 user) in his public_html directory. > - - On the upgraded system, what is the output of "pkg_info | grep -i > websvn" and "pkg_info | grep -i subversion"? $ pkg_info | grep -i subversion subversion-1.6.2 Version control system websvn is the very latest version 2.2.1 > > - - Has the websvn config file been edited to point to the svn executable? > Specifically, you may need to add this line: > $config->setSVNCommandPath("/usr/local/bin/"); as I understood from my yser, nothing of that was previously set (SVNCommandPath, diff, tar, gzip etc... ) Setting it makes indeed svn to be found, but then I wonder why it worked before 7.2? (phpinfo shows that PHP environment PATH (as well as Apache PATH) are /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin (can't remember if it was somehting different before 7.2, but our /usr/local/etc/php.ini hasn't changed for months..) (the example lines commented out) > > Hope that helps, and post the answers to those questions back here. > > Cheers, > Greg > - -- > Greg Larkin > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve > http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKH9qG0sRouByUApARAq6HAKCSA901wPp/YIa2dgbUYQ2CX3IKAwCeKR5A > BuJN/djWokys9UKL1iIyLlc= > =WxUO > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:25:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8898010656A7 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B01E8FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D9916C018F; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4TDN8Wb001687; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:23:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:23:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090529152308.b39a3411.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:25:13 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:48:29 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > maybe yet? but yes - i think the first poster exaggerated things. UE > doesn't (yet?) fights with open standard. They even say they are promoting > it. Of course best they can do is not to do anything. In fact, they're simply ignoring it. > If they would like to really punish MS, fines will be much higher and > MEANINGFUL to microsoft. But that's not intended, as you pointed out. The situation SHOULD not change; the question is just: How can we (the EU) get some money out of this situation, and maybe repeat it at another time (which requires that nothing changes)? > The government is always a SOURCE, not solution to a problem. I may illustrate this with an example from Germany: Politicians, accompanied by their counselors from the industry, released rules about what software to use in schools and in professional schools, in ministries, in executive organs. This choice is always "Windows" (allthough obviously outdated versions), and only in the mission critical fields mainframes are used (IBM mostly, and Siemens). This leads to two important facts: 1. Children who learn in school do only learn "Windows". They get knowledge that they can't use on more modern "Windows" systems anymore. Example: In school they have "Windows 2000" with "Word '97". Then, they encounter "Windows XP" with some newer "Office" (in worst case, the one with that strange GUI concept). 2. Educational companies who educate professional pupils (in preparation for a job) are explicitely regulated which "Windows" to use. They get money if they meet the requirements. This money, of course, comes from taxes (and I'm sure you know where taxes come from). As soon as a company would say, "We want to prepare our pupils for the growing importance of Linux and UNIX in the corporate world, so we want to offer a class for Linux beginners", they would get no money for it (allthough Linux itself is free of charge, PCs aren't). In these settings where "Windows" is used, there's almost no one who can administer the systems nearly correctly. This is because of the misbelief that "Windows" administers itself. In some cases, the maintainers of the PC classes even don't bother installing expensive MICROS~1 products that they got a pirated copy of on 30 PCs. The teachers sometimes even don't have a clue about what they should teach. Pupils leaving these edicational companies treat PCs like worse typewriters and usually aren't able to use any kind of text processing software halfways properly. When they enter a job, they recognize that they haven't learned anything useful. Nobody cares. You see: Politicians (those who are responsible for the decisions made) create their own problems - they are the source of the problems. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:25:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774E9106568C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3D18FC1A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB5516C0245; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:25:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4TDPJAv001694; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:25:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:25:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-Id: <20090529152519.2f268de9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4a1f9e34.DbcPFQYdcplLHIxv%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9e34.DbcPFQYdcplLHIxv%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:25:28 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 01:35:00 -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > > ... If the printer has PS or PCL, gs or even apsfilter will help. > > Dunno about PCL, but if the printer has PS it surely does not need > gs. The whole point of gs -- in connection with printing -- is to > translate PS into some other form that a non-PS printer can handle. You're correct, PS doesn't need gs. Because most (all?) applications output PS when printing (that's a standard), the data can be sent directly to the printer that processes it. In case of PCL, apsfilter is quite okay, but you can "just" employ gs to do the work, so apsfilter is not neededly required. It can add some functionality. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:29:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750A21065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244EB8FC25 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.locolomo.org (beta.locolomo.org [172.16.0.32]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDF701C0847; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:29:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:29:20 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:29:22 -0000 Greg Larkin wrote: > I can confirm that this is also a problem on 7.0-RELEASE with Perl 5.8.9 > installed. I'm pretty sure I've seen an error like this while working > on a port a few months back. I'll take a look and see if I can jog my > memory about what the solution was. Thanks, I had it working on 7.1-STABLE with Perl 5.8.8, libapreq2 2.08 and gmake 3.80, now I have Perl 5.10.0 gmake 3.81 on 7.2-STABLE trying to install libapreq2 2.12. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:33:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EAA1065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:33:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (macos.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FAF8FC17 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:33:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TDWwku047829 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:32:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TDWwVn047826 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:32:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) X-Authentication-Warning: macos.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:32:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@macos.cmi.ua.ac.be To: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: upcupsd / freebsdd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:33:02 -0000 I'm putting a APC1000 UPS with APC Network Management Card (AP9617) to freebsd system with apcupsd, via ethernet cable over SNMP. apcsupsd is running, apcaccess status returns the status variables. When pulling out powercable of UPS and back in, I do get 'Warning power loss detected; Power failure: Running on UPS batteries; Power has returned". So far, so good. The Overview page in the webinterface shows there is power in the UPS form over 2 hours. How can I force a faster automatic freebsd shutdown to see if it is working (can't wait 2 hours) The web-interface under UPS / Configuration / shutdown shows (the defaults): Start of the shutdown Low Battery Duration 02 min Shutdown Delay: 90 secs (max. Required Delay: 2 minutes) Basic Signaling Shutdown (not checked) Enabled Duration of Shutdown Sleep Time: 0.0 hours End of Shutdown Max Battery Capacity: 00 % Return Delay: 000 seconds but do these refer to shutdown of a unix client or shutdown of the UPS itself? The manual is confusing (it's linux oriented not freebsd) most referenced files do not exist at the mentioned paths... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:35:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C060A1065686 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:35:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26C38FC2C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:35:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TDZ9Iq011503; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TDZ9gq011500; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090529152308.b39a3411.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529152308.b39a3411.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:35:18 -0000 >> it. Of course best they can do is not to do anything. > > In fact, they're simply ignoring it. The best they can do with anything that exist. >> If they would like to really punish MS, fines will be much higher and >> MEANINGFUL to microsoft. > > But that's not intended, as you pointed out. The situation SHOULD > not change; the question is just: How can we (the EU) get some > money out of this situation, and maybe repeat it at another time > (which requires that nothing changes)? Still this is not a problem for me as i do not use windows. But it's bad as there are people that use windows because they want to and they should pay only for windows, no extra tax. In the same time they do best possible marketing for microsoft - computer lesson in schools. But i don't opt to change it to use say FreeBSD in schools. I opt for removing computer lessons from public schools. EVEN BETTER - to remove public schools at all, and not getting money for them by taxes. then parents could decide to what private school will children go, what will learn, and pay for it. >> The government is always a SOURCE, not solution to a problem. > ....deleted part below after reading, as i don't have anything to add... You just exactly described problem of public school's computer lesson. But it's just part of a bigger problem - existence of public schools paid from out taxes. > The teachers sometimes even don't have a clue about what > they should teach. This is not only on computer lessons. Most teachers are just dumb, because there is no free-market mechanism to do the selection. If teacher will get employed in public school, it's really difficult to fire him/her out. In schools i was, most teachers was simply dumb. I don't require wonders, but knowing basics of physics is quite important requirement of being physics teacher. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:36:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC5E10656B1 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25908FC1C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:35:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TDZlZ3011510; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TDZl1j011507; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090529152519.2f268de9.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9e34.DbcPFQYdcplLHIxv%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20090529152519.2f268de9.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:36:01 -0000 > output PS when printing (that's a standard), the data can be sent > directly to the printer that processes it. > > In case of PCL, apsfilter is quite okay, but you can "just" employ > gs to do the work, so apsfilter is not neededly required. It can isn't apsfilter just using gs as backend? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:43:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C3810656C3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:43:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61B58FC08 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:43:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MA2Mp-0004KY-SO; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:43:32 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8032F2B9C1; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A1FE67F.8060506@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:43:27 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Norgaard References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:43:34 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Greg Larkin wrote: > >> I can confirm that this is also a problem on 7.0-RELEASE with Perl 5.8.9 >> installed. I'm pretty sure I've seen an error like this while working >> on a port a few months back. I'll take a look and see if I can jog my >> memory about what the solution was. > > Thanks, I had it working on 7.1-STABLE with Perl 5.8.8, libapreq2 2.08 > and gmake 3.80, now I have Perl 5.10.0 gmake 3.81 on 7.2-STABLE trying > to install libapreq2 2.12. > > BR, Erik > Hi Erik, It seems to be a problem only when the "WITH_MODPERL2=yes" switch is given to the port make process. Has that been enabled on both of your installations? Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKH+Z+0sRouByUApARAojkAJ9dCEmR4hzvTQV49jKRqswzb398ogCfVMNZ J798URwEuRjylwsu5YPy2aI= =rSvH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:48:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC66106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:48:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A67E8FC08 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D0116C0085; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:48:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4TDmI7q001780; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:48:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:48:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090529154818.ef59e8c1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9e34.DbcPFQYdcplLHIxv%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20090529152519.2f268de9.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:48:26 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:47 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > output PS when printing (that's a standard), the data can be sent > > directly to the printer that processes it. > > > > In case of PCL, apsfilter is quite okay, but you can "just" employ > > gs to do the work, so apsfilter is not neededly required. It can > > isn't apsfilter just using gs as backend? As far as I understood, it is. Driven by a text-mode menu, it lets you select printer by category and then uses gs to generate the input fed by an application into the printer's language. It helps to utilize the system's printer spooler. You can make settings regarding quality, printer connection, printer name, and other stuff. It's quite simple and easy to use, in the case you don't want to "get hands dirty" with /etc/printcap. :-) Anyway, it allows you to do something that CUPS won't: It lets you install a printer that is not attached to the system. Yes, I know, sounds stupid. :-) At the moment, I'm using it with some help by the de- list. I've added some extra gs flags to the configuration which is text file based (very comfortable), now everything works fine over parallel line. (My next goal is to achieve the same via network, shouldn't be a problem, worked before.) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:50:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCC9106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from c.mail.ru.ac.za (c.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1AC8FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=RV4zlimFi6nU3CW7YbbpjonXVWnEkyXTw7e57N+isVQOc0OJuy2cRi8bG6an5pXNEqcESXFYdywfDrFH9ailhHw65o6qVzhWjF472a92Iz3CSbo3QNqc/8I9bhrAYZT3; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:54946) by c.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MA2Tu-000Jdw-8X for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:50:46 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:50:45 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: c.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:3) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:50:49 -0000 [Sorry for the excessive quoting - I couldn't decide which bits to take out] On Friday 29 May 2009 12:48:00 Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200 > > Jonathan McKeown wrote: > >On Thursday 28 May 2009 22:52:47 Jerry wrote: > >> Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers > >> actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world > >> county or the EU would probably sue them. Nothing I have seen in 20 > >> years equals the audacity of the EU. As long as no 'standard' no > >> matter how arbitrary, stupid or counter-productive exists, they are > >> in theory safe from the EU. Besides, nothing stifles development as > >> tightly as being bound to an arbitrary 'standard'. > > > >What a breathtakingly stupid remark. > > > >The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have > >used illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies > >and suppress competition. > > > >Or are you suggesting that a format or protocol which is implemented > >by several different companies, allowing vendors to compete fairly on > >other grounds (price, features, quality, ... ) while protecting > >consumers by making it possible for them to move from one vendor to > >another, is somehow a worse idea than a proprietary format or protocol > >which is forced into a market-dominating position by illegal tactics > >such as paying manufacturers extra to incorporate it, or penalising > >them financially for providing competing products? > > The concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple. It attempts to > create an artificial playing field that allows the incompetent to > compete with the motivated. It forces those who create new technology > to share it, usually sans monetary compensation, with common bottom > feeders. A free, open market is the way to encourage development and > new ideas and technology. Not some pathetic, socialistic concept. > > >If that's the case, why is no-one trying to use the courts to prevent > >the use of ODF, a published standard which is now used by several > >companies and Free Software projects to provide a common format for > >documents? > > > >Once a company dominates a particular market it's held to a different > >standard than other companies in that market - because the power of > >the monopoly can be used not only to prevent competition in the > >original market, but to extend the market domination into new markets, > >by techniques like product tying, distributing at below cost > >(effectively drawing subsidy from the original monopoly product) until > >competitors are driven out of business, and so on. > > A company has the right to disperse their product as they see fit. I > know a socialist like you finds that abhorrent; however, it is never the > less true. Tell me, if I wanted to sell you a $300 thousand dollar > Ferrari for $10, would you: A: complain to the police or what ever legal > authority you feel so fit to complain to; B: slam $10 in my hand in a > heart beat? I think we know the answer. You are a hypocrite. > > Has it ever occurred to you how a company grows and becomes successful? > I know, in your world it is by using the Government to squash > competition; however, in a truly free society, it is by hard word and > giving the consumer what they want at a price they are willing to pay. > Basic business 101. > > >Microsoft has been convicted of doing all these things, in US courts, > >in courts in Asia, and in courts in Europe. These are matters of fact, > >not opinion. > > > >Intel has been convicted of many of these things in courts in Asia and > >in Europe. > > > >The fact that the US system is too supine to take action against these > >companies doesn't make the EU ``arrogant''. Let's not forget why Unix > >took off and expanded the way it did: once upon a time the US courts > >did take antitrust seriously, and prevented AT&T using its telco > >monopoly to expand into market domination of the computer business. > > The spinelessness of the American court system is that they do not take > legal action against European countries that practice reverse > discrimination, or the outright breach of copyright laws, etc. I know, > you socialists also abhor copyright laws. The concept of an individual > actually benefiting from his/her hard work and not having to share it > with every scum sucker who comes begging at his door disturbs you. Whoa. I don't think that level of personal attack is appropriate or acceptable behaviour in a public forum. (I call it attack because you clearly regard socialist as a swear word. I'm not a socialist but I don't regard it as an insult. I do regard hypocrite as an insult which I choose to ignore.) Your first paragraph, the one beginning ``the concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple'', is essentially the Microsoft party line: the socialist EU wants to steal our hard work and give it away to people who can't stand the heat of competition. The reality is almost the exact opposite: the EU is using competition law to try and restore a level playing field, despite the best efforts of companies like Microsoft. Before we forget, the US Government did the same thing: it took Microsoft to court for distorting the market, and a federal court found Microsoft guilty, required them to publish their protocols to correct the damage they had done to marketplace competition, and imposed a supervision order to check their compliance (which has recently been extended yet again, due to Microsoft's resistance to complying in any timely or meaningful way). Note that carefully: it was the US Government and the US federal courts, not the ``socialist'' EU Commission and courts. The only difference, when a similar case was considered in the EU's jurisdiction, was the imposition of a monetary fine - still less drastic than the original US trial judge's proposal to break the company up. Even a free market requires some regulation of business practices. For example, most countries have laws preventing manufacturers adding toxic melamine to milk powder to fool protein tests and make the milk powder appear to be of a higher quality and therefore higher value. It didn't stop at least one Chinese company doing exactly that and making quite a lot of money before they got caught (by ``socialists'' in other countries testing products made with milk powder to make sure the manufacturers had complied with the law). One area where regulation is important is market dominance (or monopoly, or competition, or antitrust, or whatever it may be called in other jurisdictions). Once a company has a certain level of market share (75% is a commonly accepted definition of dominance) it's possible for that company to give up competing and simply use its market power to prevent anyone else entering the market and competing with them successfully. It can also use its dominance to take over related markets without ever competing for a place in those markets. For example, if you control the desktop client market, and you refuse to support anyone else's client-server protocols and won't document your own, people are forced to buy your server OS regardless of quality or price - you have leveraged your desktop monopoly into a server market dominance without competing. I'm not suggesting that all companies that establish market dominance immediately stop competing in a business sense and start acting more like gangsters: but I do think there should be laws to control the ones who do. There is plenty of evidence in all the various antitrust trials Microsoft has been involved in, on almost every continent bar the one I'm on (you do know what a .za email address implies, I take it?), that Microsoft is one of them. To take a couple of your other points: no, I wouldn't buy your Ferrari ``in a heartbeat''. Would you buy a set of speakers from a man in a van who ``had some surplus stock'' and wanted to get rid of it at well below market value rather than take it back to the warehouse? I've refused that offer a number of times. People don't sell anything at well below its market value without some form of ulterior motive; and it's not strictly true to say that > A company has the right to disperse their product as they see fit. For example, there are strict laws in most places governing the sale of goods at below cost (dumping), because the ulterior motive in this case is usually to eliminate competition by making it impossible for them to stay in business. Apart from anything else, the directors usually have a legal obligation to the shareholders to maximise profit. Sell at a loss and make it up on volume is not a business strategy that's likely to stand up in court in a shareholder suit. I'm not sure where copyright laws suddenly sprang into the equation, but I can assure you, as someone who works with Free software, I'm a firm believer in copyright laws. I don't write much code but it's copyright that prevents people stealing what I do write. I've now spent considerably more of my working day answering this than I should have done. Please think about what I've written and do some research before you come back with another tirade of insults. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:54:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4321065765; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry.byrne@wbtsystems.com) Received: from hermes.wbtsystems.com (87-198-244-212.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.244.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26E18FC23; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:54:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry.byrne@wbtsystems.com) Received: from SUNYA (sunya.wbt.wbtsystems.com [10.12.1.112]) by hermes.wbtsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 183DBF740E; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:38:28 +0100 (IST) From: "Barry Byrne" To: "'Erik Norgaard'" , References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:38:27 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcngYY2qiAgU0y/UQby+pb94+VnRdQAAGojg Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:54:28 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > Erik Norgaard > Greg Larkin wrote: > > I can confirm that this is also a problem on 7.0-RELEASE > with Perl 5.8.9 > > installed. I'm pretty sure I've seen an error like this > while working > > on a port a few months back. I'll take a look and see if I > can jog my > > memory about what the solution was. > > Thanks, I had it working on 7.1-STABLE with Perl 5.8.8, > libapreq2 2.08 > and gmake 3.80, now I have Perl 5.10.0 gmake 3.81 on > 7.2-STABLE trying > to install libapreq2 2.12. I have the same issue on a couple of 6.2-RELEASE boxes, with perl-5.8.9_2 installed. Never did find a solution to this, so interested on any insight anyone may have. Thanks, Barry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:55:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5D510656CA; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840A68FC2D; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.locolomo.org (beta.locolomo.org [172.16.0.32]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A70A51C0847; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:55:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1FE953.5010909@locolomo.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:55:31 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> <4A1FE67F.8060506@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4A1FE67F.8060506@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:55:34 -0000 Greg Larkin wrote: > It seems to be a problem only when the "WITH_MODPERL2=yes" switch is > given to the port make process. Has that been enabled on both of your > installations? That works! it will build and install fine if I comment that from my make.conf, I thought that this port was to work with mod_perl2!? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:56:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB4710657D3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87738FC20 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MA2Zc-0004Ti-1m; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:42 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CA52F2BB6A; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A1FE99A.2040802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:42 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Norgaard References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:56:51 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Greg Larkin wrote: > >> I can confirm that this is also a problem on 7.0-RELEASE with Perl 5.8.9 >> installed. I'm pretty sure I've seen an error like this while working >> on a port a few months back. I'll take a look and see if I can jog my >> memory about what the solution was. > > Thanks, I had it working on 7.1-STABLE with Perl 5.8.8, libapreq2 2.08 > and gmake 3.80, now I have Perl 5.10.0 gmake 3.81 on 7.2-STABLE trying > to install libapreq2 2.12. > > BR, Erik > Hi Erik, Please update your ports tree, then apply this patch: http://people.freebsd.org/~glarkin/diffs/libapreq2.diff I reinstalled the port successfully like so: make WITH_MODPERL2=yes install clean Whenever the error message "make: don't know how to make w" appears in a port build, it indicates that the port requires gmake to build properly, but some Makefile is calling the BSD make instead. That's caused if "make" is called directly or if the Makefile sets MAKE=make and calls a subdirectory Makefile. If this patch solves the problem, I'll ask skv@FreeBSD.org to commit it for you. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKH+ma0sRouByUApARAgHuAJ42HkTf12DwdbRq4Z8NlN21GKPw7gCfaTp4 1mU47NIMiDP7+np2+6QyHCs= =IPtu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:00:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71456106584B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A888FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:00:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TE04BH011716; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:00:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TE03oF011713; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:00:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:00:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jonathan McKeown In-Reply-To: <200905291550.45971.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> <200905291550.45971.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:00:12 -0000 > Whoa. I don't think that level of personal attack is appropriate or acceptable > behaviour in a public forum. (I call it attack because you clearly regard > socialist as a swear word. I'm not a socialist but I don't regard it as an > insult. it's not insult. it's just lethal disease than must be cured or it will destroy civilisation From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:04:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAA010656A9 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:04:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417C58FC12 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:04:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TE4MpI011766; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:04:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TE4Mlh011763; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:04:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:04:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090529154818.ef59e8c1.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9e34.DbcPFQYdcplLHIxv%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20090529152519.2f268de9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090529154818.ef59e8c1.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:04:36 -0000 > Anyway, it allows you to do something that CUPS won't: It lets > you install a printer that is not attached to the system. Yes, > I know, sounds stupid. :-) nothing stupid. As CUPS (and lots of modern software) is based on windows-like philosophy even if runs on unix, it's quite natural. Someone decided that the right steps of installing driver is to connect printer and then install, so user HAVE TO FOLLOW the steps. Any departure is simply bad, as main windows-like philosophy theorem is that user are not allowed to think, because of the danger he/she will become a master of his/her own computer, while making him a slave is a target. Only those who are slaves of their own computer, and programs they use, will constantly need help and pay for it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:06:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20784106579F for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:06:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EC068FC1A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 56792 invoked by uid 89); 29 May 2009 14:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 29 May 2009 14:06:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1FEBDE.90009@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:06:22 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Buff References: <200905272036.04272.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040306000109080508070509" Cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:06:15 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040306000109080508070509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kurt Buff wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:36, Mel Flynn > wrote: >> On Wednesday 27 May 2009 17:21:42 Kurt Buff wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the >>> authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small >>> problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. >>> >>> I cd'ed into the >>> /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, the= n >>> performed 'patch >> >>> Then I did a make, but got no output. >>> >>> So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? >> Don't feel like reading the entire thread atm, but for reference: >> - Patches need to have relative paths, where the root of the path corr= esponds >> to the port's notion of $PATCH_WRKSRC >> - You can find out this directory by running: >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 % make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCH_WRK= SRC >> =C2 The default is $WRKSRC which is $WRKDIR/$DISTNAME by default. >> =C2 Example: >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 % make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V PATCH= _WRKSRC >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 /stable/usr/obj/usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/wor= k/nagios-statd-3.12 >> >> - Patches are automatically applied if they reside in the port's notio= n of >> PATCHDIR and are named patch-* >> - You can find out this directory by running: >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 %make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCHDIR >> =C2 The default is $.CURDIR/files. >> =C2 Example: >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 % make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V PATCH= DIR >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/files >> >> - In order to apply a new patch after you have previously gone past th= e patch >> stage (configure, build, install), either run make clean or: >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 % rm $(make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATC= H_COOKIE) >> =C2 The above can cause problems, with the build. The normal course of= action is >> to make clean. >=20 > Excellent. I will be trying this tomorrow - I'm leaving work early > today to get some things taken care of. Kurt, I had to leave rather hastily the other day, but I did test the patch, and it worked ok. If this is a one-off thing, here is how I did it: # cd /usr/ports/category/program # make clean # ee source.patch (pasted the patch in) # make configure (which preps the source) # cd work/progname # patch < ../../source.patch # cd ../.. # make # make install All worked well. 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Fri, 29 May 2009 14:06:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fotoo@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C831D8FC14 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:06:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fotoo@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 30777 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2009 14:06:27 -0000 Received: from 91.63.235.247 by www169.gmx.net with HTTP; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:06:26 +0200 From: "Oskar Eyb" In-Reply-To: <20090529074443.167820@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090529140626.60670@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20090529074443.167820@gmx.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #40664412 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18pdi9EqeYpromtuCgGB5XIlb62wbuo+ZPE9ZfgU7 ToRvTIDPEIheKtHA67YZbg3g+MmAL6+GsqRw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: hI93B4h2bHIhUC5FVTY0WXAiJihyahAY X-FuHaFi: 0.55 Subject: Re: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:06:29 -0000 wrote > you don't get an answer probably because nobody knows. > it's completely strange for me too, as you said that > directories are writable. the lock-errors from dovecot-deliver I ve solved my lock_method=dotlock (or flock). But I cant change it in ssl-build-param * The lock-issue is ONLY in jails! Efcntl(write-lock) locking failed for file /tmp.tmp: Invalid argument Ffile_try_lock(/tmp.tmp) failed: Invalid argument So, what does that mean? What is limiting the locking in jails, howto avoid? Cheers, Oskar -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:44:43 +0200 > Von: "Oskar Eyb" > An: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Betreff: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail) > dovecot: 2009-05-29 03:45:50 Fatal: ssl-build-param: > file_try_lock(/var/db/dovecot/ssl-parameters.dat.tmp) failed: Invalid argument > deliver(user@example.com): 2009-05-29 03:43:24 Error: fcntl(write-lock) > locking failed for file /data/maildirs/example.com/user/dovecot.index.log: > Invalid argument > -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:09:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC751065721 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emperor@infomed.sld.cu) Received: from cabrera.red.sld.cu (cabrera.red.sld.cu [201.220.222.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21068FC12 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:09:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emperor@infomed.sld.cu) Received: from [201.220.220.45] (helo=c7a1dae11b16446) by cabrera.red.sld.cu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MA03T-0006m5-9q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 07:15:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4A1F6F46.000005.03348@C7A1DAE11B16446> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:14:46 +0200 (Hora estándar romance) Content-Type: Multipart/related; charset="iso-8859-1"; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_MW3E6RO0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (5864130) From: "Tony" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 To: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: 7.2 don't set xorg.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:09:32 -0000 --------------Boundary-00=_MW3E6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, i re-install standar (recommended) way 7.2 version, and finish setp w= hen i reboot.. i set Xorg -configure and failed,... this works when i select the packages to install to by group=0D =0D (*) User % X-Interfaces=0D =0D before when i install 1st time i select one-by-one and when i finished an= d restarted Xorg -configure rowks to wrote xorg.conf.new=0D =0D and any way last i said either start X=0D =0D what i do?=0D =0D regards from cuba=0D =0D Tony =0A---------------------------------------=0A Red Telematica de Salud - Cuba= =0A =09 CNICM - Infomed=0A --------------Boundary-00=_MW3E6RO0000000000000-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:10:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B636D10656FA for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BD38FC16 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MA2mr-0004jk-4m; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:10:25 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A80A2F2BD42; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A1FECD0.6060103@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:10:24 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Norgaard References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> <4A1FE67F.8060506@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE953.5010909@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A1FE953.5010909@locolomo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:10:28 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Greg Larkin wrote: > >> It seems to be a problem only when the "WITH_MODPERL2=yes" switch is >> given to the port make process. Has that been enabled on both of your >> installations? > > That works! it will build and install fine if I comment that from my > make.conf, I thought that this port was to work with mod_perl2!? > > Thanks, Erik > > I'm no expert on mod_perl2 or the Apache API, but from the looks of the port, setting WITH_MODPERL2=yes installs the extra modules so you can call the API library from a Perl script. The upstream package just wasn't designed to install correctly on a system where gmake is not named "make". The patch I created should fix that problem. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKH+zQ0sRouByUApARAmy6AKCmgjAEGxJy4bGoAKk7hyGOpqwiWQCfdcyY HzkYnVZzcs2TvlCXBn2Prio= =Wpl2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:12:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E7F10656D0 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8988FC12 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TEC6FG011837; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:12:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TEC6du011834; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:12:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:12:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Oskar Eyb In-Reply-To: <20090529140626.60670@gmx.net> Message-ID: References: <20090529074443.167820@gmx.net> <20090529140626.60670@gmx.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:14 -0000 >> it's completely strange for me too, as you said that >> directories are writable. > > > the lock-errors from dovecot-deliver I ve solved my lock_method=dotlock (or flock). > anyway it should work :( > * The lock-issue is ONLY in jails! i do use jails, i do use dovecot for IMAP/POP and everything works. anyway i don't use dovecot-deliver. > So, what does that mean? > What is limiting the locking in jails, howto avoid? no idea. as far as we are in jail it should work the same at least in theory. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:12:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F86C106568E; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A098FC21; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.locolomo.org (beta.locolomo.org [172.16.0.32]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2B0BD1C0847; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:12:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1FED54.1080303@locolomo.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:12:36 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> <4A1FE99A.2040802@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4A1FE99A.2040802@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:38 -0000 Greg Larkin wrote: > Hi Erik, > > Please update your ports tree, then apply this patch: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~glarkin/diffs/libapreq2.diff > > I reinstalled the port successfully like so: > > make WITH_MODPERL2=yes install clean > > Whenever the error message "make: don't know how to make w" appears in a > port build, it indicates that the port requires gmake to build properly, > but some Makefile is calling the BSD make instead. That's caused if > "make" is called directly or if the Makefile sets MAKE=make and calls a > subdirectory Makefile. > > If this patch solves the problem, I'll ask skv@FreeBSD.org to commit it > for you. Hi, thanks, the port builds and installs correctly with this patch. Problem solved, thanks again, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:12:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D28A1065707 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Vikash.Badal@is.co.za) Received: from phobytor.is.co.za (phobytor.is.co.za [196.4.160.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D682E8FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Vikash.Badal@is.co.za) Received: from phobytor.is.co.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobytor.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id D545A3BB975 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:51:25 +0200 (SAST) Received: from ZABRYSVISMFW (zajnbisit.mfw.is.co.za [196.26.2.106]) by phobytor.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16FC3BB569 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:51:25 +0200 (SAST) Received: from zabrysvisex06.af.didata.local (Not Verified[10.1.8.16]) by ZABRYSVISMFW with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 8, 2172) id ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:51:28 +0200 Received: from ZABRYSVISEX04.af.didata.local ([10.1.8.149]) by zabrysvisex06.af.didata.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 29 May 2009 15:51:25 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 x-cr-hashedpuzzle: Zl8= Ad+9 BTrJ BzM2 B/M5 Cefe DAyb DXoI FsAa FtB9 GIZk Hcpx IN/H IcM/ Ic2S I2jZ; 1; ZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAtAHEAdQBlAHMAdABpAG8AbgBzAEAAZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAuAG8AcgBnAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {D6DB3D8D-FE69-4EC2-8447-455F3812A3FD}; dgBpAGsAYQBzAGgALgBiAGEAZABhAGwAQABpAHMALgBjAG8ALgB6AGEA; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:51:15 GMT; ZwByAG8AdwBpAG4AZwAgAGEAIABnAHIAYQBpAGQAMwAgAGEAcgByAGEAeQAgAGEAbgBkACAAZwByAG8AdwBmAHMAIABuAG8AdAAgAGcAcgBvAHcAaQBuAGcAIAAuAC4ALgAuAA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable x-cr-puzzleid: {D6DB3D8D-FE69-4EC2-8447-455F3812A3FD} Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:51:15 +0200 Message-ID: <740109F1ED7BA14EB02307DEF26487AB1B554BB6@ZABRYSVISEX04.af.didata.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: growing a graid3 array and growfs not growing .... Thread-Index: AcngZIibzHd4/A+vRtq8AU9fU0t0wA== From: "Vikash Badal" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2009 13:51:25.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EDB7BF0:01C9E064] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: growing a graid3 array and growfs not growing .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:51 -0000 Can someone please advise why growfs would return: growfs: we are not growing (8388607->4194303) ? I have a FreeBSD 7.2 server in a VM. I initially had 5 x 4G disks Created a raid graid3 label datavol da2 da3 da4 da5 da6 I upgraded them to 5 x 8g disks swopped out the virtual disks one at a time graid3 remove -n 0 datavol graid3 insert -n 0 datavol da2 [wait] ...... graid3 remove -n 4 datavol graid3 insert -n 4 datavol da6 [wait] graid3 stop datavol growfs /dev/raid3/datavol error message: growfs: we are not growing (8388607->4194303) ? vix-sw-raid# graid3 list Geom name: datavol State: COMPLETE Components: 5 Flags: NONE GenID: 0 SyncID: 1 ID: 2704170828 Zone64kFailed: 0 Zone64kRequested: 0 Zone16kFailed: 0 Zone16kRequested: 0 Zone4kFailed: 0 Zone4kRequested: 524 Providers: 1. Name: raid3/datavol =20 Mediasize: 34359736320 (32G) =20 Sectorsize: 2048 =20 Mode: r0w0e0 Consumers: 1. Name: da2 =20 Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G) =20 Sectorsize: 512 =20 Mode: r1w1e1 =20 State: ACTIVE =20 Flags: NONE =20 GenID: 0 =20 SyncID: 1 =20 Number: 0 =20 Type: DATA 2. Name: da3 =20 Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G) =20 Sectorsize: 512 =20 Mode: r1w1e1 =20 State: ACTIVE =20 Flags: NONE =20 GenID: 0 =20 SyncID: 1 =20 Number: 1 =20 Type: DATA 3. Name: da4 =20 Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G) =20 Sectorsize: 512 =20 Mode: r1w1e1 =20 State: ACTIVE =20 Flags: NONE =20 GenID: 0 =20 SyncID: 1 =20 Number: 2 =20 Type: DATA 4. Name: da5 =20 Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G) =20 Sectorsize: 512 =20 Mode: r1w1e1 =20 State: ACTIVE =20 Flags: NONE =20 GenID: 0 =20 SyncID: 1 =20 Number: 3 =20 Type: DATA 5. Name: da6 =20 Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G) =20 Sectorsize: 512 =20 Mode: r1w1e1 =20 State: ACTIVE =20 Flags: NONE =20 GenID: 0 =20 SyncID: 1 =20 Number: 4 =20 Type: PARITY fdisk /dev/raid3/datavol ******* Working on device /dev/raid3/datavol ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=3D1044 heads=3D255 sectors/track=3D63 (16065 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=3D1044 heads=3D255 sectors/track=3D63 (16065 blks/cyl) fdisk: invalid fdisk partition table found fdisk: /boot/mbr: length must be a multiple of sector size what am I missing ? Please note: This email and its content are subject to the disclaimer as = displayed at the following link http://www.is.co.za/legal/E-mail+Confiden= tiality+Notice+and+Disclaimer.htm. Should you not have Web access, send a= =20mail to disclaimers@is.co.za and a copy will be emailed to you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:12:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441351065702 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3B428FC27 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 56792 invoked by uid 89); 29 May 2009 14:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 29 May 2009 14:06:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4A1FEBDE.90009@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:06:22 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Buff References: <200905272036.04272.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040306000109080508070509" Cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:56 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040306000109080508070509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kurt Buff wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:36, Mel Flynn > wrote: >> On Wednesday 27 May 2009 17:21:42 Kurt Buff wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the >>> authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small >>> problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. >>> >>> I cd'ed into the >>> /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, the= n >>> performed 'patch >> >>> Then I did a make, but got no output. >>> >>> So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? >> Don't feel like reading the entire thread atm, but for reference: >> - Patches need to have relative paths, where the root of the path corr= esponds >> to the port's notion of $PATCH_WRKSRC >> - You can find out this directory by running: >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 % make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCH_WRK= SRC >> =C2 The default is $WRKSRC which is $WRKDIR/$DISTNAME by default. >> =C2 Example: >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 % make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V PATCH= _WRKSRC >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 /stable/usr/obj/usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/wor= k/nagios-statd-3.12 >> >> - Patches are automatically applied if they reside in the port's notio= n of >> PATCHDIR and are named patch-* >> - You can find out this directory by running: >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 %make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCHDIR >> =C2 The default is $.CURDIR/files. >> =C2 Example: >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 % make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V PATCH= DIR >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/files >> >> - In order to apply a new patch after you have previously gone past th= e patch >> stage (configure, build, install), either run make clean or: >> =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 % rm $(make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATC= H_COOKIE) >> =C2 The above can cause problems, with the build. The normal course of= action is >> to make clean. >=20 > Excellent. I will be trying this tomorrow - I'm leaving work early > today to get some things taken care of. Kurt, I had to leave rather hastily the other day, but I did test the patch, and it worked ok. If this is a one-off thing, here is how I did it: # cd /usr/ports/category/program # make clean # ee source.patch (pasted the patch in) # make configure (which preps the source) # cd work/progname # patch < ../../source.patch # cd ../.. # make # make install All worked well. 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charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:16:02 -0000 > > So, what does that mean? > What is limiting the locking in jails, howto avoid? other question - what filesystem do you use for directory when locks are placed? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:16:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418C710656CC; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:16:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0378FC1A; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.locolomo.org (beta.locolomo.org [172.16.0.32]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D34251C0847; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:16:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A1FEE26.9000700@locolomo.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:16:06 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> <4A1FE67F.8060506@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE953.5010909@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A1FE953.5010909@locolomo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:16:13 -0000 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Greg Larkin wrote: > >> It seems to be a problem only when the "WITH_MODPERL2=yes" switch is >> given to the port make process. Has that been enabled on both of your >> installations? > > That works! it will build and install fine if I comment that from my > make.conf, I thought that this port was to work with mod_perl2!? Too fast, without "WITH_MODPERL2=yes" build and installed yes, but didn't work, it appears that a large portion of the port was simply not built nor installed despite the lack of error. See patch in other reply on this thread. Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:17:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E251065736 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5BC8FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:17:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B135816C008F; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:17:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4TEH4ul001876; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:17:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:17:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090529161704.dfe4001e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9e34.DbcPFQYdcplLHIxv%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20090529152519.2f268de9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090529154818.ef59e8c1.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:17:12 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:04:22 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > nothing stupid. As CUPS (and lots of modern software) is based on > windows-like philosophy even if runs on unix, it's quite natural. > > Someone decided that the right steps of installing driver is to connect > printer and then install, so user HAVE TO FOLLOW the steps. Allthough CUPS is for UNIX (the U in CUPS), I think it's a bit sad that it doesn't have something that we would call "professional mode" as an option, where someone who knows what he does can install a printer that is not attached to the system at the moment, or that cannot be autodetected (maybe some dotmatrix or daisywheel printer that is needed to print carbon copies). > Any departure is simply bad, as main windows-like philosophy theorem is > that user are not allowed to think, because of the danger he/she will > become a master of his/her own computer, while making him a slave is a > target. > > Only those who are slaves of their own computer, and programs they use, > will constantly need help and pay for it. Translated from a PC commercial: "My computer knows who I am, and knows what I want." Another attitude at least famous among german "Windows" users: If the PC says (!) something, it is alright. Asking for the bankomatcard PIN? Well, enter it! An obscure web page wants your name and postal address in order to let you see the dancing elephants? Go aheead, type it in! "The computer will know what it does." For any consequences, the "I don't care" campaign, set up by the MICROS~1 initiated misbelief that "Windows" administers itself, has spread terrible results in regards of virus infections, trojans, pirated copies and illegal file sharing. People just don't care, they just want the dancing elephants - for free. The logical implication is that the PC is made responsible for everything the user did wrong. That's why I often think PCs are often personified; apotheosis is the next step (cf. the Forbin Project). Is it possible that people attribute the intelligency to the PC that they don't seem to have theirselves? If you think that's stupid - well, at least it's the reality here. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:25:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EEF1065678 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from gate.criticalsoftware.com (gate.criticalsoftware.com [212.13.37.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A134C8FC1E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from [192.168.1.30] (unknown [192.168.1.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gate.criticalsoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADA72284E6; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:25:33 +0100 (WEST) Message-ID: <4A1FF05A.7090303@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:25:30 +0100 From: Ricardo Jesus User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony References: <4A1F6F46.000005.03348@C7A1DAE11B16446> In-Reply-To: <4A1F6F46.000005.03348@C7A1DAE11B16446> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.2 don't set xorg.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ricardo.m.jesus@criticalsoftware.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:25:35 -0000 Tony wrote: > hi, i re-install standar (recommended) way 7.2 version, and finish setp when > i reboot.. i set Xorg -configure and failed,... this works when i select > the packages to install to by group > > > > (*) User % X-Interfaces > > > > before when i install 1st time i select one-by-one and when i finished and > restarted Xorg -configure rowks to wrote xorg.conf.new > > > > and any way last i said either start X > > > > what i do? > > > > regards from cuba > > > > Tony > > --------------------------------------- > Red Telematica de Salud - Cuba > CNICM - Infomed > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi Tony, I think this answers your question: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html. Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:32:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4B91065680 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:32:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fotoo@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 933FB8FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:32:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fotoo@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 11763 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2009 14:32:42 -0000 Received: from 91.63.235.247 by www030.gmx.net with HTTP; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:32:39 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:32:39 +0200 From: "Oskar Eyb" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090529143239.60630@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20090529074443.167820@gmx.net> <20090529140626.60670@gmx.net> To: Wojciech Puchar X-Authenticated: #40664412 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/C8iM80mrCMjo0FHoGCeaelwSWge5DKuYX+nJjDF LFS61iSCzhD4aX0Y2qd/ByH3nr/e2fkcFqQw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: NsA5YoawLi50HHRZBmlp5AJrZml1ZJiV X-FuHaFi: 0.73 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:32:44 -0000 hi, > other question - what filesystem do you use for directory when locks are > placed? in-jail# mount /dev/mirror/gm0s1d on / (ufs, local, soft-updates) host-view: /dev/mirror/gm0s1d on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) the jail is in /var/jails/mail/ ... additionally procfs on /var/jails/mail/proc (procfs, local) devfs on /var/jails/mail/dev (devfs, local) /usr on /var/jails/mail/usr (nullfs, local, read-only) /usr/vol1/maildirs on /var/jails/mail/maildirs (nullfs, local) I tested dovecot/ssl-build-param on another server: in host ok, in all jails the same error. ?!?!? Oskar -- Nur bis 31.05.: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:40:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E490106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:40:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96678FC27 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:40:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4TEdvev027695 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:40:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CFD110DC11 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:39:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0365310DC07 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:39:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 29 May 2009 09:39:56 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE07@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: libthr vs lipbthreads Thread-Index: AcngaFjuNoRs+BFrRmyiSVjjeeXdkQAAgkmA References: <20090529074443.167820@gmx.net> <20090529140626.60670@gmx.net> From: "Gary Gatten" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2009 14:39:56.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[55EC6CD0:01C9E06B] Subject: libthr vs lipbthreads X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:40:14 -0000 Is there any sort of consensus on the better choice between these two libraries? I'm running an app (nTop) on 6.0 RELEASE and have sometimes "odd" behavior and performances issues with libpthreads. I recently switched the libthr, but I'm not sure if the issues are the app code itself, or the way FBSD does threads and scheduling. Apparently these issues are isolated to FBSD and Linux, Solaris, etc. work fine? Also thought about using Linux threads, but too much hassle compared to creating libmap.conf and restarting. Any thoughts, insights, etc. would be great. Found some resources on the web that indicated libthr is the way to go, but... still not sure?
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:42:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABC8106568E; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry.byrne@wbtsystems.com) Received: from hermes.wbtsystems.com (87-198-244-212.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.244.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6F48FC25; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:42:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry.byrne@wbtsystems.com) Received: from SUNYA (sunya.wbt.wbtsystems.com [10.12.1.112]) by hermes.wbtsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9D7C1F744C; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:42:44 +0100 (IST) From: "Barry Byrne" To: , "'Erik Norgaard'" References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org><4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> <4A1FE99A.2040802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:42:43 +0100 Message-ID: <8219F032776C46DD9BF28334236E5037@wbt.wbtsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A1FE99A.2040802@FreeBSD.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcngZbUDPQ6X6zBnRyucxov7Q0CR7AABeQfQ Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:42:53 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Greg Larkin > > Please update your ports tree, then apply this patch: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~glarkin/diffs/libapreq2.diff > > I reinstalled the port successfully like so: > > make WITH_MODPERL2=yes install clean > > Whenever the error message "make: don't know how to make w" > appears in a > port build, it indicates that the port requires gmake to > build properly, > but some Makefile is calling the BSD make instead. That's caused if > "make" is called directly or if the Makefile sets MAKE=make > and calls a > subdirectory Makefile. > > If this patch solves the problem, I'll ask skv@FreeBSD.org to > commit it > for you. Greg, That seems to have built fine for me. Appreciate the rapid assistance. Regards, Barry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:50:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0374B1065673 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C898FC1B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:50:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MA3PF-0005Tk-2x; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:50:06 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by Gregory-Larkins-Computer.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C95F2F2C269; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A1FF61A.6060609@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:50:02 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Norgaard References: <4A1F95DE.9080501@locolomo.org> <4A1FDE51.5050604@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE330.4050105@locolomo.org> <4A1FE67F.8060506@FreeBSD.org> <4A1FE953.5010909@locolomo.org> <4A1FEE26.9000700@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A1FEE26.9000700@locolomo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libapreq2 broken? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:50:08 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Erik Norgaard wrote: >> Greg Larkin wrote: >> >>> It seems to be a problem only when the "WITH_MODPERL2=yes" switch is >>> given to the port make process. Has that been enabled on both of your >>> installations? >> >> That works! it will build and install fine if I comment that from my >> make.conf, I thought that this port was to work with mod_perl2!? > > Too fast, without "WITH_MODPERL2=yes" build and installed yes, but > didn't work, it appears that a large portion of the port was simply not > built nor installed despite the lack of error. > > See patch in other reply on this thread. > > Erik Hi Erik, I think that's the normal behavior for the port. If WITH_MODPERL2=yes is not specified, the Perl modules are left out of the build, but it still installs the C libraries, header files, etc. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKH/Ya0sRouByUApARAv9eAJ9AWwYWymREMnn/GPvM5Tz5uZ2DvACeKGdw lXvk9dzdOBN1qx3CW35oK6I= =eeMB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 14:52:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3966A106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EFA8FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:52:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4TEqUWp096527 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:52:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200905291452.n4TEqUWp096527@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <96525.1243608750.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:52:30 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Producing Bad Dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:52:40 -0000 I use the following flags to create a level 0 dump: dump 0ufaL /home/backups/backup /dev/DISKPARTITION The dump appears to run just fine. /home/backups/backup is a pipe to a remote system that fills a regular file from the pipe. Everything seems to run well at the time and the dump file has gigabytes of data in it. I can restore many files from it and all seems well. Today, I practiced restoring a whole system from one of these dumps and used the following command: restore -u -fx FILENAME It prompted for the volume number which is 1 (100% of the dump) and then I entered none when prompted for the next volume. That was about an hour ago and it is still spewing out the names of thousands of files, many of them OS-related such as /usr/src/xx which were not being modified or created at the time so if any files should be there, these should. Any idea as to what I did wrong? At this point, it is not certain whether the dump is bad or the restore is bad, but it isn't exactly confidence-en spiring if the system in question was to melt. No file systems filled up and the pipe isn't taken down until the dump has finished, at least that is what I believe to be the case. Any suggestions are welcome. Actually, for this test, I pretended that a directory on the system called scratch is / so I am just testing the ability to restore what should be everything under / before actually trying this on the real / because after that, you must rebuild the system from CDROM for a proper test. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 15:05:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582BC10656B1 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:05:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188EB8FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:05:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4TF3RlK063723; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n4TF3RZg063722; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:27 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: RW Message-ID: <20090529150327.GA63687@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:05:27 -0000 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:43:29PM +0100, RW wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that > > will flood. > > > > Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation > > is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. > > Even for you this is a new low. When you learned about Archimedes > principle did they not teach you about thermal expansion - or did you > just assume that as the ice melts everything remains at the same > temperature. And, what about the huge amount of water that is currently sequestered in ice above sea level - on 'dry' land? Where will it go? ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 15:13:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771D0106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A9A38FC12 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41832 invoked from network); 29 May 2009 15:13:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=CIntCy4dJ1dVhAKgV0ifljsnOIs/rvhQC2JPxN9FOspsR+ujZgaEvEO5yyvCbMCA6hsTakz2KXfPDNaQm8KW0ZzsOdva0SWxG11Z3tKgRk7sGcQckf6x3MgmlXZhL3DrrAcfuKb6wT8SngXhda//y3wV+V0PFTew0KaLDXLC6+E= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 08:13:37 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: EfvFqeEVM1l1JKsqIRwjLiBj35jsjHd.QPl337AUSqFpFACD17jf.J8aBJhOizfHHIrjhyw6V0Rmt.Y.LEKjO4t39D1c.frFdiq786LdW_ncFkvSiUC5hKa4izaeEjKKo2Wx1WRm7tA80JCb.zZhxOfWZZoVcZGoLdXckVOyQ7riumS0nGhRbxzwqAiAeYSbwxnK.SYKBHVPylzv0or5bKoQNLitx6QQ4lcfbpspGpGvLGGJwbRpkvZWpwvl1r7bLW708dBW6vVArOZ27f1EWwU5sMxHKWXUjhEcjixV81c6EDc2AJUW2oL4sL0EExMbWRV_YXI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:13:26 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090529111326.17638be5@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <200905291550.45971.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> <200905291550.45971.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/Lue1R6lLgvj7qcOT_3LorQe"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:13:38 -0000 --Sig_/Lue1R6lLgvj7qcOT_3LorQe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:50:45 +0200 Jonathan McKeown wrote: >[Sorry for the excessive quoting - I couldn't decide which bits to >take out] > >On Friday 29 May 2009 12:48:00 Jerry wrote: >> On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200 >> >> Jonathan McKeown wrote: >> >On Thursday 28 May 2009 22:52:47 Jerry wrote: >> >> Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers >> >> actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third >> >> world county or the EU would probably sue them. Nothing I have >> >> seen in 20 years equals the audacity of the EU. As long as no >> >> 'standard' no matter how arbitrary, stupid or counter-productive >> >> exists, they are in theory safe from the EU. Besides, nothing >> >> stifles development as tightly as being bound to an arbitrary >> >> 'standard'. >> > >> >What a breathtakingly stupid remark. >> > >> >The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who >> >have used illegal business methods to protect and extend their >> >monopolies and suppress competition. >> > >> >Or are you suggesting that a format or protocol which is implemented >> >by several different companies, allowing vendors to compete fairly >> >on other grounds (price, features, quality, ... ) while protecting >> >consumers by making it possible for them to move from one vendor to >> >another, is somehow a worse idea than a proprietary format or >> >protocol which is forced into a market-dominating position by >> >illegal tactics such as paying manufacturers extra to incorporate >> >it, or penalising them financially for providing competing products? >> >> The concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple. It attempts >> to create an artificial playing field that allows the incompetent to >> compete with the motivated. It forces those who create new technology >> to share it, usually sans monetary compensation, with common bottom >> feeders. A free, open market is the way to encourage development and >> new ideas and technology. Not some pathetic, socialistic concept. >> >> >If that's the case, why is no-one trying to use the courts to >> >prevent the use of ODF, a published standard which is now used by >> >several companies and Free Software projects to provide a common >> >format for documents? >> > >> >Once a company dominates a particular market it's held to a >> >different standard than other companies in that market - because >> >the power of the monopoly can be used not only to prevent >> >competition in the original market, but to extend the market >> >domination into new markets, by techniques like product tying, >> >distributing at below cost (effectively drawing subsidy from the >> >original monopoly product) until competitors are driven out of >> >business, and so on. >> >> A company has the right to disperse their product as they see fit. I >> know a socialist like you finds that abhorrent; however, it is never >> the less true. Tell me, if I wanted to sell you a $300 thousand >> dollar Ferrari for $10, would you: A: complain to the police or what >> ever legal authority you feel so fit to complain to; B: slam $10 in >> my hand in a heart beat? I think we know the answer. You are a >> hypocrite. >> >> Has it ever occurred to you how a company grows and becomes >> successful? I know, in your world it is by using the Government to >> squash competition; however, in a truly free society, it is by hard >> word and giving the consumer what they want at a price they are >> willing to pay. Basic business 101. >> >> >Microsoft has been convicted of doing all these things, in US >> >courts, in courts in Asia, and in courts in Europe. These are >> >matters of fact, not opinion. >> > >> >Intel has been convicted of many of these things in courts in Asia >> >and in Europe. >> > >> >The fact that the US system is too supine to take action against >> >these companies doesn't make the EU ``arrogant''. Let's not forget >> >why Unix took off and expanded the way it did: once upon a time the >> >US courts did take antitrust seriously, and prevented AT&T using >> >its telco monopoly to expand into market domination of the computer >> >business. >> >> The spinelessness of the American court system is that they do not >> take legal action against European countries that practice reverse >> discrimination, or the outright breach of copyright laws, etc. I >> know, you socialists also abhor copyright laws. The concept of an >> individual actually benefiting from his/her hard work and not having >> to share it with every scum sucker who comes begging at his door >> disturbs you. > >Whoa. I don't think that level of personal attack is appropriate or >acceptable behaviour in a public forum. (I call it attack because you >clearly regard socialist as a swear word. I'm not a socialist but I >don't regard it as an insult. I do regard hypocrite as an insult which >I choose to ignore.) > >Your first paragraph, the one beginning ``the concept behind the EU is=20 >socialism, pure and simple'', is essentially the Microsoft party line: >the socialist EU wants to steal our hard work and give it away to >people who can't stand the heat of competition. The reality is almost >the exact opposite: the EU is using competition law to try and restore >a level playing field, despite the best efforts of companies like >Microsoft. Look up the definition of 'socialism'. Then look at who comprises the EU. Their attempts to 'level the playing field' is nothing more than unvarnished socialism. The same basic idea was tried in the US with 'affirmative action' that entitled the lazy, stupid, etc. the same rights and privileges as those who worked their ass off. Even though there was ample proof of this, these draconian laws were put in place. It took decades before it was realized just how poorly they worked. Another example could be comparing American Pro Football and its catastrophic decision to 'level the playing field' by rewarding ineptitude. The worse your record, the better your draft choice. The EU is just a socialist forum attempting to reward ineptitude. You have brought into it hook, line and sinker. >Before we forget, the US Government did the same thing: it took >Microsoft to court for distorting the market, and a federal court >found Microsoft guilty, required them to publish their protocols to >correct the damage they had done to marketplace competition, and >imposed a supervision order to check their compliance (which has >recently been extended yet again, due to Microsoft's resistance to >complying in any timely or meaningful way). > >Note that carefully: it was the US Government and the US federal >courts, not the ``socialist'' EU Commission and courts. The only >difference, when a similar case was considered in the EU's >jurisdiction, was the imposition of a monetary fine - still less >drastic than the original US trial judge's proposal to break the >company up. The original suit was based on laws designed to curtail the railroad industry, actually Rockefeller. The original judge was prejudiced and an appeals court through out most of the suit and required a hearing on the remain portions. The suit eventually was of minimal importance. The original suit was a bogus and transparent attempt at protecting Netscape. Funny, when Netscape was #1, nobody said a word. Once Microsoft surpassed them all of the socialist came out of the woodwork and bitched. Take into consideration that Microsoft has never surpassed Google in the search category. It was never able to over come AOL's lead either. Those companies, and many others make superior products, well not AOL but you get the idea, and a free and open market place has made its decision. You would rather usurp that with government intervention. Typical socialist thinking. If you cannot produce a better product, get the government to regulate them for you. >Even a free market requires some regulation of business practices. For=20 >example, most countries have laws preventing manufacturers adding >toxic melamine to milk powder to fool protein tests and make the milk >powder appear to be of a higher quality and therefore higher value. It >didn't stop at least one Chinese company doing exactly that and making >quite a lot of money before they got caught (by ``socialists'' in >other countries testing products made with milk powder to make sure >the manufacturers had complied with the law). Good idea, change the context of the discussion. We are not talking about product safety here. As far as I know, Microsoft does not produce food products. However, I did see an article recently regarding OpenSSL and a defect in their product. Are you saying that anyone who was effected by the 'bug' has a right to sue the authors of that software. Wow, layers will just love you. If that were to happen, and since there does not exist any OS that can be certified as truly 'bug free' your premise of suing would lead to the collapse of the software business. Now that is a true socialist. Attack and regulate a company until you put it out of business. >One area where regulation is important is market dominance (or >monopoly, or competition, or antitrust, or whatever it may be called >in other jurisdictions). Once a company has a certain level of market >share (75% is a commonly accepted definition of dominance) it's >possible for that company to give up competing and simply use its >market power to prevent anyone else entering the market and competing >with them successfully. > >It can also use its dominance to take over related markets without >ever competing for a place in those markets. For example, if you >control the desktop client market, and you refuse to support anyone >else's client-server protocols and won't document your own, people are >forced to buy your server OS regardless of quality or price - you have >leveraged your desktop monopoly into a server market dominance without >competing. > >I'm not suggesting that all companies that establish market dominance=20 >immediately stop competing in a business sense and start acting more >like gangsters: but I do think there should be laws to control the >ones who do. There is plenty of evidence in all the various antitrust >trials Microsoft has been involved in, on almost every continent bar >the one I'm on (you do know what a .za email address implies, I take >it?), that Microsoft is one of them. The basic premise of your argument is that any company or entity that is success should be regulated. I find that concept pure socialistic bullshit. >To take a couple of your other points: no, I wouldn't buy your Ferrari >``in a heartbeat''. Would you buy a set of speakers from a man in a >van who ``had some surplus stock'' and wanted to get rid of it at well >below market value rather than take it back to the warehouse? I've >refused that offer a number of times. People don't sell anything at >well below its market value without some form of ulterior motive; and >it's not strictly true to say that >> A company has the right to disperse their product as they see fit. I never said the product was stolen or pilfered. Those are your assumptions. I create a product and distribute it. It is none of the government's business what I sell it for as long as I pay the tax on it. And even if I were selling below cost with the ulterior motive of someday increasing market share, so what. I am taking the risk and the consumer reaps the benefit. I know, socialists cannot understand that simple concept. >For example, there are strict laws in most places governing the sale >of goods at below cost (dumping), because the ulterior motive in this >case is usually to eliminate competition by making it impossible for >them to stay in business. Apart from anything else, the directors >usually have a legal obligation to the shareholders to maximise >profit. Sell at a loss and make it up on volume is not a business >strategy that's likely to stand up in court in a shareholder suit. One again, you want 'big brother' aka the government to protect you. >I'm not sure where copyright laws suddenly sprang into the equation, >but I can assure you, as someone who works with Free software, I'm a >firm believer in copyright laws. I don't write much code but it's >copyright that prevents people stealing what I do write. Come on now. Are you saying that you do not publicly post any code that you create for anyone to use sans payment? Or are you implying that it is perfectly OK to steal code from any company/individual whose profits exceed yours sans fees? Maybe I should get some government intervention here to see what you are hiding? >I've now spent considerably more of my working day answering this than >I should have done. Please think about what I've written and do some >research before you come back with another tirade of insults. There are many truisms in business. Two of my favorite ones are: 1) No legitimate business ever benefited from government intervention. 2) You can always tell a socialist; you just cannot tell him much. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com It's not whether you win or lose but how you played the game. Grantland Rice --Sig_/Lue1R6lLgvj7qcOT_3LorQe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkof+58ACgkQBvaKIJWWCO13lQCfW+Ga8+bHpjYWxa9Saezamlra LFgAnRk/luhlQ/ntXVSBWu2olm5tT6ni =HfQd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Lue1R6lLgvj7qcOT_3LorQe-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 15:36:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E204106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from craig001@lerwick.hopto.org) Received: from lerwick.hopto.org (81-178-20-70.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565268FC1B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:36:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from craig001@lerwick.hopto.org) Received: (qmail 58668 invoked by uid 98); 29 May 2009 16:41:02 +0100 Received: from 192.168.0.2 by polaris.lerwick.hopto.org (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.88.4/1789. hbedv: 7.1.1.11/6.35.1.178. f-prot: 4.6.6/3.16.14. spamassassin: 3.1.4. Clear:RC:1(192.168.0.2):. Processed in 3.874678 secs); 29 May 2009 15:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (192.168.0.2) by lerwick.hopto.org with SMTP; 29 May 2009 16:40:58 +0100 From: Craig Butler To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090529150327.GA63687@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090529150327.GA63687@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:36:47 +0100 Message-Id: <1243611407.18401.62.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:36:55 -0000 On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 11:03 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:43:29PM +0100, RW wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST) > > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > > > > i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that > > > will flood. > > > > > > Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation > > > is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. > > > > Even for you this is a new low. When you learned about Archimedes > > principle did they not teach you about thermal expansion - or did you > > just assume that as the ice melts everything remains at the same > > temperature. > > And, what about the huge amount of water that is currently sequestered > in ice above sea level - on 'dry' land? Where will it go? > > ////jerry I think its because we are building and launching all these bigger and bigger boats and displacing more water :P /CB > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 15:42:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794991065680 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4268FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4TFfvH4027840; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:42:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 2721C10DC19; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:41:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FB510DC12; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:41:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 29 May 2009 10:41:55 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:41:35 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE09@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <1243611407.18401.62.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What is this forum for? Thread-Index: Acngc4nRBd0Z984fRze0XVV5a8819gAACzhg References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com><20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com><20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com><20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com><20090529150327.GA63687@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <1243611407.18401.62.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Craig Butler" , "Jerry McAllister" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2009 15:41:55.0749 (UTC) FILETIME=[FECD2D50:01C9E073] Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:42:58 -0000 Dude, that's it! The increase in global oil consumption has inadvertently raised the level of the Oceans due to more Super tankers! You're freaking BRILLIANT! $200M Grant for you to continue this ground breaking research! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Craig Butler Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:37 AM To: Jerry McAllister Cc: RW; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? =20 On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 11:03 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:43:29PM +0100, RW wrote: >=20 > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST) > > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > > i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that > > > will flood. > > >=20 > > > Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation > > > is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. > >=20 > > Even for you this is a new low. When you learned about Archimedes > > principle did they not teach you about thermal expansion - or did you > > just assume that as the ice melts everything remains at the same > > temperature.=20 >=20 > And, what about the huge amount of water that is currently sequestered > in ice above sea level - on 'dry' land? Where will it go? >=20 > ////jerry I think its because we are building and launching all these bigger and bigger boats and displacing more water :P /CB >=20 >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 15:57:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC5F106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:57:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 040B28FC19 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 May 2009 15:57:41 -0000 Received: from ipa228.83.91.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.254.1]) [91.140.83.228] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu005) with SMTP; 29 May 2009 17:57:41 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+pdBYfGEqp/Hs1bttnIpnLnRjdIpviaoUOUhH1ny GalgpshD1FCuoN Message-ID: <4A2005C1.9050404@gmx.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:56:49 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabian Holler References: <20090529104441.GP98712@whiteshark.holler> In-Reply-To: <20090529104441.GP98712@whiteshark.holler> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.46 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pppoe routing problem, default route isnt used for some hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:57:43 -0000 Fabian Holler wrote: > Hello, > > I have an strange routing problem. I can't connect to some hosts in the > internet till I add an explicit route for this hosts with my default gw > as gateway. > There aren't any other routes that could match the destination IP for > "non-working hosts". So the connection should also without an explicit > route for this Hosts use the default gw. > > My Setup: > FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE > mppd to make an PPPOE connection to my internet service > provider. > PF as firewall > > To isolate the problem I used an minimal pf.conf: > --- > "inetif=ng0 > lanif=vr0 > > scrub all max-mss 1492 > pass quick on lo0 all > pass out on $inetif proto { tcp udp icmp } all keep state" > pass on $lanif from any to any > --- > I also tried pppd instead of mppd(dont helps). > > > Hosts that I can't connect to, are ie spiegel.de, tagesschau.de, freebsd.org > southparkstudios.com > I.e > TCP connections to Port 80 of southparkstudios.com dont work. > If I add an explicit route: > "route add southparkstudios.com 213.191.84.199" Besides netstat -rn, you can use "route get southparkstudios.com" to check a route for a destination. > Connections with nc to port 80 works > (the connections tests are made from the router, the iface MTUs are correct) You cannot test MTU settings using nc, since initial packets, that is, small packets, are always smaller than your MTU. You can test MTU using fetch or ftp or nc + "GET /some.big.file". > > Anybody have an idea what could be wrong? > > I have no idea anymore > (its also not an provider problem, when i made the pppoe connection from windows I can connect to alls hosts) > > > thanks for any hints:) > > best regards > > Fabian > > > ------------------------------------- > My routing table: > " > # netstat -ra > Routing tables > > Internet: > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire > default lo1.br04.weham.de. UGS 0 15505 ng0 > 1.1.1.1&0x1010101 link#1 UC 0 0 rl0 What is this ^^^^??? It looks like not-contiguous netmask? > exxx45031.adsl.al lo0 UHS 0 0 lo0 > localhost localhost UH 0 433 lo0 > 192.168.113.0 link#2 UC 0 0 vr0 > xyz 00:30:18:ad:26:88 UHLW 1 24005 lo0 > mail.xyz.ath.cx 00:30:18:ad:26:88 UHLW 1 86400 lo0 > http.xyz.ath.cx 00:30:18:ad:26:88 UHLW 1 770 lo0 > 192.168.113.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 1 3228 vr0 > lo1.br04.weham.de. e176145031.adsl.al UH 1 0 ng0 > > [... ipv6 stuff] > " > > Interface infos: > " > # netstat -ira > Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts Oerrs Coll > rl0 1492 00:02:2a:b0:4a:e0 26128479 0 19855993 0 0 > 01:00:5e:00:00:01 0 0 > rl0 1492 1.1.1.1&0x101 1.1.1.1 0 - 2653 - - > ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST > vr0 1500 00:30:18:ad:26:88 12662831 0 17678949 0 0 > 01:00:5e:00:00:01 2038 0 > vr0 1500 192.168.113.0 xyz 9745471 - 13639692 - - > ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST > vr0 1500 192.168.113.0 mail.xyz.a 291626 - 86404 - - > ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST > vr0 1500 192.168.113.0 http.xyz.a 6814 - 770 - - > ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST > lo0 16384 113929 0 113929 0 0 > lo0 16384 fe80:3::1 fe80:3::1 0 - 0 - - > ff01:3::1 (refs: 1) > ff02:3::2:a61d:93b4(refs: 1) > ff02:3::1 (refs: 1) > ff02:3::1:ff00:1 (refs: 1) > lo0 16384 localhost ::1 0 - 0 - - > ff01:3::1 (refs: 1) > ff02:3::2:a61d:93b4(refs: 1) > ff02:3::1 (refs: 1) > ff02:3::1:ff00:1 (refs: 1) > lo0 16384 your-net localhost 433 - 2433 - - > ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST > pflog 33204 0 0 80567 0 0 > tun0* 1500 78331 0 76381 0 0 > tun99 1500 353 0 375 0 0 > ng0 1492 17114096 0 13449463 0 0 > ng0 1492 85.176.145.31 e176145031.adsl.a 12398 - 17011 - - > ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST > " > > mpd.conf: > " > default: > load PPPoE > PPPoE: > new -i ng0 PPPoE PPPoE > set iface addrs 1.1.1.1 2.2.2.2 Maybe you should delete the above line as well. I dont remembere what "iface addrs" does, but you'll get the IP addresses via IPCP, so it's surely redundant. > set iface route default > set iface enable on-demand > set iface idle 0 > set bundle disable multilink > set bundle authname "xxy" > set iface disable tcpmssfix > set link no acfcomp protocomp > set link disable pap chap > set link accept chap > set link mtu 1492 > set link mru 1492 this is also wrong, don't try to set MTU or MRU. There are negotiated during PPP. > set link keep-alive 10 60 > set ipcp yes vjcomp > set iface enable tcpmssfix#I know pf also do this in my setup, but Iam despaired:) > set ipcp ranges 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 > set nat disable > log +link > open iface > " > mpd.links: > "PPPoE: > set link type pppoe > set pppoe iface rl0 > set pppoe disable incoming > set pppoe enable originate > " What is really strange is that netmask, maybe that's the source of the problem... HTH, Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 16:11:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF05D106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4A98FC19 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TGBCHt012464; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:11:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TGBCxM012461; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:11:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:11:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090529161704.dfe4001e.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528222948.6d1649b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9e34.DbcPFQYdcplLHIxv%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20090529152519.2f268de9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090529154818.ef59e8c1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090529161704.dfe4001e.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:11:24 -0000 >> printer and then install, so user HAVE TO FOLLOW the steps. > > Allthough CUPS is for UNIX (the U in CUPS), I think it's a bit sad it runs on unix. But it was written by people that thinks windows-way. Like most of new soft for unix. "Well it's really bad printer support on unix, lets make it as good as in windows". And yes they did a lot of hard work, just sad they did it that way. Anyway - great work. > Translated from a PC commercial: "My computer knows who I am, and knows > what I want." There wasn't THAT BAD commercials in Poland already. But for sure will. > Another attitude at least famous among german "Windows" users: If the > PC says (!) something, it is alright. Asking for the bankomatcard PIN? > Well, enter it! An obscure web page wants your name and postal address so make use of it. Pecunia non olet :) > MICROS~1 initiated misbelief that "Windows" administers itself. No it doesn't administer itself. It does administer it's slave. > If you think that's stupid - well, at least it's the reality here. :-) While i was always laughing about "artifical inteligence" ideas, now i found it's possible to make computer as smart or smarter than people. You just need to make people mode dumb :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 16:15:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94B7106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:15:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7E28FC20 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:15:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TGF6wf012512; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:15:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TGF6St012509; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:15:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:15:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Oskar Eyb In-Reply-To: <20090529143239.60630@gmx.net> Message-ID: References: <20090529074443.167820@gmx.net> <20090529140626.60670@gmx.net> <20090529143239.60630@gmx.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:15:13 -0000 >> other question - what filesystem do you use for directory when locks are >> placed? > > > in-jail# mount > /dev/mirror/gm0s1d on / (ufs, local, soft-updates) me too UFS. no other questions, and no other ideas. sorry. > procfs on /var/jails/mail/proc (procfs, local) > devfs on /var/jails/mail/dev (devfs, local) > /usr on /var/jails/mail/usr (nullfs, local, read-only) looks like you administer jails the same way as me (/usr shared). Probably your /usr/local/etc is a symlink to have different configs both places. But i will ask - is it? AND - make sure dovocot-deliver does not try writing anything into /usr. Most programs don't but some do, if so you have to move that directory out of /usr and make symlink. squid proxy do this. > I tested dovecot/ssl-build-param on another server: in host ok, in all jails the same error. ?!?!? The only idea left is that it writes to /usr someplace. BTW do you need /proc in jails. i never used it, maybe it doesn't work properly in jail, and ssl-build-param make use it when it's available. But for sure it do run without /proc mounted. what version of dovecot you use? mine is dovecot-1.1.11 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 16:16:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75B91065672 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA13B8FC14 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:16:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TGGXRN012537; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:16:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TGGX6l012534; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:16:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:16:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090529150327.GA63687@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090529150327.GA63687@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:16:40 -0000 >> just assume that as the ice melts everything remains at the same >> temperature. > > And, what about the huge amount of water that is currently sequestered > in ice above sea level - on 'dry' land? Where will it go? to water. once again i cited what i read that it was about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA. Of course you are right ice that will melt from land will raise the level. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 16:27:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870421065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:27:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4BF8FC1A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TGRpJU012603 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:27:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TGRpoc012600 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:27:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:27:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090529111326.17638be5@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> <200905291550.45971.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529111326.17638be5@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:27:58 -0000 >> Microsoft. > > Look up the definition of 'socialism'. Then look at who comprises the > EU. Their attempts to 'level the playing field' is nothing more than no sense to explain again things that are clear to anyone that do observe, instead of living in virtual world created by TV. > The original suit was a bogus and transparent attempt at protecting > Netscape. Funny, when Netscape was #1, nobody said a word. Once > Microsoft surpassed them all of the socialist came out of the woodwork > and bitched. these all suit about netscape and that microsoft are playing unfair because it adds web browser to windows just ROTFL! What's wrong that they add web browser. They could even add 100 rolls of toilet paper to windows bundle - and so what? They would sell a product "parody of OS and 100 rolls of toilet paper", the same as now it sell parody of OS with browser included. Everybody can sell whatever they want. If people want to buy it, or not, is their problem. > about product safety here. As far as I know, Microsoft does not produce > food products. even with food product it's not government job to check and control food. Competitors could be much better in it, and without getting tax money for it. > However, I did see an article recently regarding OpenSSL > and a defect in their product. Are you saying that anyone who was > effected by the 'bug' has a right to sue the authors of that software. Everybody has right to sue everybody for anything. The question is if they win. > Now that is a true socialist. Attack and regulate a company until you > put it out of business. And then make few huge companies all controlled by government, and zero competition. withing few years whole country falls, unless government fall first. > The basic premise of your argument is that any company or entity that is > success should be regulated. I find that concept pure socialistic > bullshit. If he really think that way he is just dangerous. >> strategy that's likely to stand up in court in a shareholder suit. > > One again, you want 'big brother' aka the government to protect you. The problem is that there are quite a lot of people that like it. And others then suffer from it. > Come on now. Are you saying that you do not publicly post any code > that you create for anyone to use sans payment? Or are you implying > that it is perfectly OK to steal code from any company/individual whose > profits exceed yours sans fees? Maybe I should get some government > intervention here to see what you are hiding? good idea! > There are many truisms in business. Two of my favorite ones are: > > 1) No legitimate business ever benefited from government intervention. No legitimate business ever benefited from government intervention, UNLESS they paid to someone from government. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 16:29:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2271065677 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:29:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C12A8FC13 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:29:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TGTI2A012629; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:29:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TGTHUM012626; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:29:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:29:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE09@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com><20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com><20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com><20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com><20090529150327.GA63687@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <1243611407.18401.62.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE09@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Craig Butler , Jerry McAllister , RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:29:27 -0000 > Dude, that's it! The increase in global oil consumption has > inadvertently raised the level of the Oceans due to more Super tankers! > You're freaking BRILLIANT! $200M Grant for you to continue this ground > breaking research! I think extra tax for supertankers are the right solution! UPS.. maybe better not write that, as people from governments may get this new idea. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 16:31:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF55106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:31:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE328FC16 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:31:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4TGTWbl064086; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:29:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n4TGTVRo064085; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:29:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:29:31 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Martin McCormick Message-ID: <20090529162931.GA64026@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <200905291452.n4TEqUWp096527@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200905291452.n4TEqUWp096527@dc.cis.okstate.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Producing Bad Dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:31:31 -0000 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 09:52:30AM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: > I use the following flags to create a level 0 dump: > > dump 0ufaL /home/backups/backup /dev/DISKPARTITION > > The dump appears to run just fine. /home/backups/backup is a > pipe to a remote system that fills a regular file from the pipe. > > Everything seems to run well at the time and the dump > file has gigabytes of data in it. I can restore many files from > it and all seems well. > > Today, I practiced restoring a whole system from one of > these dumps and used the following command: > > restore -u -fx FILENAME > > It prompted for the volume number which is 1 (100% of the dump) > and then I entered none when prompted for the next volume. > > That was about an hour ago and it is still spewing out > the names of thousands of files, many of them OS-related such as > /usr/src/xx which were not being modified or created at the time > so if any files should be there, these should. Probably you did not want the -x or -u, but instead wanted to do cd /MOUNTED_EMPTY_PARTITION restore -rf DUMPFILENAME But, I am not sure because it is hard to understand why you chose -xu. ////jerry > > Any idea as to what I did wrong? > > At this point, it is not certain whether the dump is bad > or the restore is bad, but it isn't exactly confidence-en spiring > if the system in question was to melt. > > No file systems filled up and the pipe isn't taken down > until the dump has finished, at least that is what I believe to > be the case. > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > Actually, for this test, I pretended that a directory > on the system called scratch is / so I am just testing the > ability to restore what should be everything under / > before actually trying this on the real / because after that, > you must rebuild the system from CDROM for a proper test. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 16:39:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38033106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-28.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-28.bluehost.com [69.89.17.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03D5C8FC13 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 15438 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2009 16:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 16:39:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=WbOzFVqFTUpfhVxoFWzf1ItgDgLd/7BMzWmqYLJZ4YTq9GzmMelTO5/xNGZI3kb7QQcjtlRUpfO/Jg/a76JZ6knYTEXLGOlzQTJQCeF2luHyDgeTWniu7c97LDmO7H7w; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MA57M-0002NH-5f for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:39:40 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 29 May 2009 10:34:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:34:43 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090529163443.GA46917@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:39:42 -0000 --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 09:36:07AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > OK. On topic is: >=20 > - question about software made by FreeBSD team which is FreeBSD base=20 > system+ports subsystem. In ports subsystem i mean the set of scripts and= =20 > patches that allows you to compile other programs, BUT NOT THE PROGRAMS= =20 > itself. >=20 > - questions about purely FreeBSD-specific and FreeBSD-dependend things of= =20 > ported programs. For example: >=20 > --- > I start program X, configure it the same way as in linux, installed all= =20 > the same modules, but here it crashes/behave differently. For example: > --- here some output --- > Where is a problem > --- So . . . it seems like you expect everyone that has a question about software that runs on multiple OSes (and not *just* FreeBSD) to run an extra system, running some other OS, just to determine whether there are differences in the way it fails on their FreeBSD systems and what would happen on the other OS. This way, they can offer specific examples of how it behaves differently on different OSes in order to meet your criteria for being a FreeBSD topic. The problem is people who are having trouble getting X to do something on FreeBSD and don't have a computer running a different OS on which to test it to compare, or don't have the time to dick around with another OS just to satisfy W. Puchar's criteria for on-topicness. What if their X problems *are* FreeBSD problems, just as you described above, but they can't specifically verify that they're FreeBSD-related problems because they don't have the time or resources to test on different OSes to nail down the points of departure between different OSes? Are they just SOL in your estimation? Should we tell them FOAD because FreeBSD is the only OS they use? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth H. L. Mencken: "In this world of sin and sorrow, there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkogDqMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVFZACg1jLoduWawERh19MxdUUZaeFy WvgAnjoNVCkdUnzLR5CtBnSOJvnSMW9q =yTLB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 16:42:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5B5106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scs@eecs.berkeley.edu) Received: from gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.60.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2ED8FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scs@eecs.berkeley.edu) Received: from [10.10.1.71] (66.236.51.34.ptr.us.xo.net [66.236.51.34]) (authenticated bits=0) by gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.14.3/8.13.5) with ESMTP id n4TGJqos014503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <89C182FE-81B9-474E-84EA-FBB6F68C4E75@eecs.berkeley.edu> From: Steven Schlansker To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:19:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: pfsync in GENERIC? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:42:59 -0000 Hello freebsd-questions, I'm attempting to set up a redundant NAT system where failover is provided by ucarp and using pfsync to keep NAT tables in sync. When I try to set up pfsync, [steven@gateway2:~]% sudo /etc/rc.d/pfsync start /etc/rc.d/pfsync: WARNING: pfsync(4) must be statically compiled in the kernel. [steven@gateway2:~]% ifconfig pfsync0 ifconfig: interface pfsync0 does not exist additionally: [steven@gateway2:~]% sudo ifconfig pfsync0 create ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE2: Invalid argument Is pfsync not in GENERIC? I checked the amd64 config file and indeed it does not show up, however pf and pflog are not there either but are usable in the base system, so I am not positive that pfsync being missing is therefore conclusive. I would like to if at all possible use GENERIC so that I can take advantage of freebsd-update etc. Is there some way to get this all running without recompiling the kernel? (You may notice I'm using ucarp instead of carp to avoid recompiling) Thank you for any guidance, Steven Schlansker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:02:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA398106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:02:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from CQG00620@nifty.ne.jp) Received: from mail1.asahi-net.or.jp (mail1.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FA38FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:02:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from CQG00620@nifty.ne.jp) Received: from asahi-net.jp (h204216.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [61.114.204.216]) by mail1.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243917438A; Sat, 30 May 2009 01:42:03 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 01:42:02 +0900 From: WATANABE Kazuhiro To: freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <4A1FBEE4.7040109@esiee.fr> References: <4A1FBEE4.7040109@esiee.fr> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/21.3 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20090529164203.243917438A@mail1.asahi-net.or.jp> Cc: Frank Bonnet Subject: Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:02:28 -0000 Hello. Would you try to change the "phout" mixer setting instead of "vol" ? e.g.: mixer phout 100 The ALSA driver has a quirk for HP XW4200. http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-kernel.git;a=blob;f=sound/pci/intel8x0.c;h=173bebf9f51d0316f00a158912c2dd0eeacc9f8d;hb=HEAD#l1945 At Fri, 29 May 2009 12:54:28 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bruce Cran wrote: > > On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:01:33 +0200 > > Frank Bonnet wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Bruce Cran wrote: > >>> On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:14 +0200 > >>> Frank Bonnet wrote: > >>> > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>> Hash: SHA1 > >>>> > >>>> Hello > >>>> > >>>> I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but > >>>> sound system does not work > >>>> > >>>> I have gnome installed and all the above services are running > >>>> > >>>> moused_enable="YES" > >>>> nfs_client_enable="YES" > >>>> sshd_enable="YES" > >>>> linux_enable="YES" > >>>> postfix_enable="YES" > >>>> dovecot_enable="YES" > >>>> dbus_enable=YES > >>>> gdm_enable=YES > >>>> hald_enable=YES > >>>> avahi_daemon_enable=YES > >>>> apache22_enable=YES > >>> Have you loaded the sound driver? Check /dev/sndstat to see if it's > >>> running. > >>> > >> well ... it seems to be I loaded them by hand > > > > What does /dev/sndstat contain? You could also try running 'mixer' > > to see what, if any, channels are set to. > > > > yes ... strange everything seems OK but ... still no sound > when I try to use the gnome sound manager it says > > Waiting for sound system to respond > > > > cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2007061600/i386) > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xf0200800, 0xf0200a00 irq 21 bufsz > 16384 [MPSAFE] (1p:1v/1r:1v channels duplex default) > > mixer > Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer cd is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer rec is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer igain is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer ogain is currently set to 50:50 > Mixer line1 is currently set to 75:75 > Mixer phin is currently set to 0:0 > Mixer phout is currently set to 0:0 > Recording source: mic > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkofvuQACgkQ6f7UMO5oSsX1YwCgsHEIxku6BswiVfr2VjOUWXYC > jl4AoJ5vsJlJKrV4kFA/hSnuxsEkCT8T > =D1LC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- WATANABE Kazuhiro (CQG00620@nifty.ne.jp) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:03:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04FD106567D; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f106.google.com (mail-px0-f106.google.com [209.85.216.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B94C8FC0C; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by pxi4 with SMTP id 4so5319478pxi.3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PjiUFAqCl8wiP1NumtwcJ3/TurHykTk/GhsLIMG7ixw=; b=OSlMvMQYd+AjMEUZQbhOyeTkr2aeH8E3blYqv6zaAWDPcaNWr6HWwJ7dor2ywf4qZi l1mwyIkzltF1KOlWqaWA86FbYcmZzu3inaR8B8L+T/zTLJ5wQYMN7zVHGGA3vG1148VG hQ14CD8GoqZTb96d59lsCi0HJwocfSQbA0phs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LRLbYZBLr1vnasJ7OEqpmUyIjNHEFsIbIgJOk1uqY2o5ySxoPpwyS2CLwTxriUSMyG PpIXg0S4RMQ6hG1Klap1thBy+xlwazdlfD/WUqOvud+wDbiSLLWQuAovczaMQwyZAg/0 +VjmfJ88UZpTqvl+JxDzgxYmUXaxE4FZ7BRp4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.216.18 with SMTP id o18mr898640wfg.312.1243616602239; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1FEBDE.90009@ibctech.ca> References: <200905272036.04272.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A1FEBDE.90009@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:03:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:03:23 -0000 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:06, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Kurt Buff wrote: >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:36, Mel Flynn >> wrote: >>> On Wednesday 27 May 2009 17:21:42 Kurt Buff wrote: >>>> All, >>>> >>>> I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the >>>> authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small >>>> problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. >>>> >>>> I cd'ed into the >>>> /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then >>>> performed 'patch >>> >>>> Then I did a make, but got no output. >>>> >>>> So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? >>> Don't feel like reading the entire thread atm, but for reference: >>> - Patches need to have relative paths, where the root of the path corre= sponds >>> to the port's notion of $PATCH_WRKSRC >>> - You can find out this directory by running: >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 % make -C /usr/ports/cate= gory/portname -V PATCH_WRKSRC >>> =C3=82 The default is $WRKSRC which is $WRKDIR/$DISTNAME by default. >>> =C3=82 Example: >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 % make -C /usr/ports/sysu= tils/nagios-statd -V PATCH_WRKSRC >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 /stable/usr/obj/usr/ports= /sysutils/nagios-statd/work/nagios-statd-3.12 >>> >>> - Patches are automatically applied if they reside in the port's notion= of >>> PATCHDIR and are named patch-* >>> - You can find out this directory by running: >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 %make -C /usr/ports/categ= ory/portname -V PATCHDIR >>> =C3=82 The default is $.CURDIR/files. >>> =C3=82 Example: >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 % make -C /usr/ports/sysu= tils/nagios-statd -V PATCHDIR >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 /usr/ports/sysutils/nagio= s-statd/files >>> >>> - In order to apply a new patch after you have previously gone past the= patch >>> stage (configure, build, install), either run make clean or: >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 % rm $(make -C /usr/ports= /category/portname -V PATCH_COOKIE) >>> =C3=82 The above can cause problems, with the build. The normal course = of action is >>> to make clean. >> >> Excellent. I will be trying this tomorrow - I'm leaving work early >> today to get some things taken care of. > > Kurt, > > I had to leave rather hastily the other day, but I did test the patch, > and it worked ok. If this is a one-off thing, here is how I did it: > > # cd /usr/ports/category/program > # make clean > # ee source.patch (pasted the patch in) > # make configure (which preps the source) > # cd work/progname > # patch < ../../source.patch > # cd ../.. > # make > # make install > > All worked well. > > Steve I did as others have suggested, placing the patch in /usr/ports/www/squid30/files as patch-HttpHeader, then doing a 'make && make clean'. After fixing the typo, it went just fine. I'll be installing at the end of the day today and testing with a few folks to see how this works. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:03:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04FD106567D; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f106.google.com (mail-px0-f106.google.com [209.85.216.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B94C8FC0C; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by pxi4 with SMTP id 4so5319478pxi.3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PjiUFAqCl8wiP1NumtwcJ3/TurHykTk/GhsLIMG7ixw=; b=OSlMvMQYd+AjMEUZQbhOyeTkr2aeH8E3blYqv6zaAWDPcaNWr6HWwJ7dor2ywf4qZi l1mwyIkzltF1KOlWqaWA86FbYcmZzu3inaR8B8L+T/zTLJ5wQYMN7zVHGGA3vG1148VG hQ14CD8GoqZTb96d59lsCi0HJwocfSQbA0phs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LRLbYZBLr1vnasJ7OEqpmUyIjNHEFsIbIgJOk1uqY2o5ySxoPpwyS2CLwTxriUSMyG PpIXg0S4RMQ6hG1Klap1thBy+xlwazdlfD/WUqOvud+wDbiSLLWQuAovczaMQwyZAg/0 +VjmfJ88UZpTqvl+JxDzgxYmUXaxE4FZ7BRp4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.216.18 with SMTP id o18mr898640wfg.312.1243616602239; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1FEBDE.90009@ibctech.ca> References: <200905272036.04272.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A1FEBDE.90009@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:03:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:03:23 -0000 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:06, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Kurt Buff wrote: >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:36, Mel Flynn >> wrote: >>> On Wednesday 27 May 2009 17:21:42 Kurt Buff wrote: >>>> All, >>>> >>>> I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the >>>> authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small >>>> problem, but don't know how to install the updated port. >>>> >>>> I cd'ed into the >>>> /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then >>>> performed 'patch >>> >>>> Then I did a make, but got no output. >>>> >>>> So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set? >>> Don't feel like reading the entire thread atm, but for reference: >>> - Patches need to have relative paths, where the root of the path corre= sponds >>> to the port's notion of $PATCH_WRKSRC >>> - You can find out this directory by running: >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 % make -C /usr/ports/cate= gory/portname -V PATCH_WRKSRC >>> =C3=82 The default is $WRKSRC which is $WRKDIR/$DISTNAME by default. >>> =C3=82 Example: >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 % make -C /usr/ports/sysu= tils/nagios-statd -V PATCH_WRKSRC >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 /stable/usr/obj/usr/ports= /sysutils/nagios-statd/work/nagios-statd-3.12 >>> >>> - Patches are automatically applied if they reside in the port's notion= of >>> PATCHDIR and are named patch-* >>> - You can find out this directory by running: >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 %make -C /usr/ports/categ= ory/portname -V PATCHDIR >>> =C3=82 The default is $.CURDIR/files. >>> =C3=82 Example: >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 % make -C /usr/ports/sysu= tils/nagios-statd -V PATCHDIR >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 /usr/ports/sysutils/nagio= s-statd/files >>> >>> - In order to apply a new patch after you have previously gone past the= patch >>> stage (configure, build, install), either run make clean or: >>> =C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 =C2=A0=C3=82 % rm $(make -C /usr/ports= /category/portname -V PATCH_COOKIE) >>> =C3=82 The above can cause problems, with the build. The normal course = of action is >>> to make clean. >> >> Excellent. I will be trying this tomorrow - I'm leaving work early >> today to get some things taken care of. > > Kurt, > > I had to leave rather hastily the other day, but I did test the patch, > and it worked ok. If this is a one-off thing, here is how I did it: > > # cd /usr/ports/category/program > # make clean > # ee source.patch (pasted the patch in) > # make configure (which preps the source) > # cd work/progname > # patch < ../../source.patch > # cd ../.. > # make > # make install > > All worked well. > > Steve I did as others have suggested, placing the patch in /usr/ports/www/squid30/files as patch-HttpHeader, then doing a 'make && make clean'. After fixing the typo, it went just fine. I'll be installing at the end of the day today and testing with a few folks to see how this works. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:05:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A30A106567E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:05:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-303.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-303.bluehost.com [67.222.53.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 11D788FC0C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:05:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 18363 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2009 17:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 17:05:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=A6aWxGKOf+v5+nf0bYWhodSGnn5McmgFV9y4RrT1EuADdojy8O5U8mTAgZByR/dJeLCVA1OYsglmg/XSeHD3Giu+9FivSPyLyRnbWAkYW2Sebzu6YiM/Eo/0ZXgAeuL0; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MA5Wc-0003yV-KL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:05:46 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 29 May 2009 11:00:49 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:00:49 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090529170049.GB46917@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87my8w6shm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87octcuklu.fsf@kobe.laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dc+cDN39EJAMEtIO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:05:47 -0000 --dc+cDN39EJAMEtIO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 03:14:20PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >Not necessarily. > > > >There were 'rules' in Nazi Germany too, and there usually exist at least > >some 'rules' in oppressive regimes, but they do not necessarily, by > >virtue of their mere existence, lead to satisfying results. >=20 > The difference is that you have choice here, people living in Nazi German= y=20 > (and Poland) that times didn't. Let's de-Godwinize this, and just use the generic "dictatorship" idea to stand in for "Nazi Germany". In fact, let's go a step further and assume a benign dictatorship -- even benevolent, from some perspectives -- since I'm sure we're assuming a strictly moderated list would be intended to help rather than merely control. So . . . you have the same choice in a dictatorship that you have in a benign dictatorship: leave. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Mediocrity corrupts. Bureaucracy corrupts absolutely. --dc+cDN39EJAMEtIO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkogFMEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUbcwCcDJLmy1HwlDdQgSpjoGw2JkqX qboAnR90Bk8EN9BJJYZqgY9A89XooB/X =ZKSp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dc+cDN39EJAMEtIO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:05:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD7810657D6 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9018FC2A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0195EB801F for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:04:47 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1243616687; bh=gO1DroWawI0/DneqaqXD+OoDYfeQhyMn005UaK+Vd+I=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gcj8ZmIkE1thSf2DURcdXP9sr72fcGd27RYU+a3a5SlbA88o934IM5p5ygUvbKYW2 RCJ+r7MAtiTmBceU9aePQ+ajTWqsCMAMnE0JnHOb73fqO3mXqpt8m1Tai7zP10S32c ndsxsrtcZpJ28wqDQu685udAsSJm5z84eiv4Fm18= Received: from relay.lc-words.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.lc-words.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 44225-02 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:04:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC6CB801E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:04:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 77.254.181.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:04:46 +0200 Message-ID: <5e7b68079c95c3a9980ebbbc655bbf59.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> In-Reply-To: <20090529163443.GA46917@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <20090529163443.GA46917@kokopelli.hydra> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:04:46 +0200 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:05:55 -0000 >> - questions about purely FreeBSD-specific and FreeBSD-dependend things >> of >> ported programs. For example: >> >> --- >> I start program X, configure it the same way as in linux, installed all >> the same modules, but here it crashes/behave differently. For example: >> --- here some output --- >> Where is a problem >> --- Or take a real-life usage. I have upgraded my system to 7.2-Release. Ever since upgrading, logrotate ceased to work. Now, in this case - where should I post it? Does it belong to the moderated and purely OS-related list (after all the problem seems related to the upgrade) or to the unmoderated one (since it involves logrotate utility)? It happens in life that when you have sets of clearly defined rules, they quickly become impossible to follow because you constantly need to tweak them, add new ones, etc. Or the questions about gmirror which Mr Puchar really knows a lot about. Where would they go? Surely they should not be discussed on the moderated list as we're in the software venue, right? If you (still addressing Mr Puchar) want some sort of an exclusivist group, it would probably be best if you set up one, contacted FreeBSD team and negotatiated the terms of placing a link to it somewhere on www.freebsd.org (and sponsoring the Team by the way ;)... -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:14:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365D81065673 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3D88FC1E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:14:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4THDo2O012962; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:13:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4THDnUG012959; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:13:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:13:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090529163443.GA46917@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <20090529163443.GA46917@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:14:06 -0000 > software that runs on multiple OSes (and not *just* FreeBSD) to run an > extra system, running some other OS. no. i expect them to ask THAT program support. In really rare cases when they got an answer like "You did all fine, i have the same configured program in my linux/openbsd/netbsd/solaris/whatever OS and it works fine" They it's place to ask because certainly there's something wrong with the port. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:16:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8347D106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2EE8FC08 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:16:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4THGB6C012982; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:16:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4THGBF9012979; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:16:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:16:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: <5e7b68079c95c3a9980ebbbc655bbf59.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> Message-ID: References: <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <20090529163443.GA46917@kokopelli.hydra> <5e7b68079c95c3a9980ebbbc655bbf59.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:16:19 -0000 > > Or take a real-life usage. I have upgraded my system to 7.2-Release. Ever > since upgrading, logrotate ceased to work. Clearly FreeBSD related problem - logrotate worked, then the same logrotate does not. Of course check if there is not new version of logrotate too from ports before. You gave excellent example. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:17:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA2E1065704 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:17:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C168D8FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:17:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4THHXGA036429 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:17:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200905291717.n4THHXGA036429@dc.cis.okstate.edu> to: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <36427.1243617453.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:17:33 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: Producing Bad Dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:17:46 -0000 Jerry McAllister writes: > Probably you did not want the -x or -u, but instead wanted to do > cd /MOUNTED_EMPTY_PARTITION > restore -rf DUMPFILENAME That would be the ideal command. Per haps there is a better approach so I am all ears as the saying goes. I am trying to set up a procedure so that we can take another server, if necessary, format the drive with FreeBSD and then restore the contents of a dead server to this drive and have it ready to run. Of course, dd is great if both drives are the same size but usually, the only thing both servers have in common is they are both i86 systems and the goal is to try to get a platform with a melted hard drive or mother board back on line. The holy grail is a clone operation that can be documented so that a worker of reasonable knowledge can do it successfully. So, you need all the files, but they probably will not occupy a disk that looks like the original one. In that respect, tar does well but trashes special files like /dev > But, I am not sure because it is hard to understand why you chose -xu. The thought was that -u unlinks existing files so one could write the restore right over the minimal system that was there. -x was to extract / in order to get the entire root file system. Again, the idea is to recover a FreeBSD system as quickly as possible and get it back to the patch level and general operating conditions it was originally in before the hardware that supported it died. Again, many thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:23:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B441065674 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3129B8FC17 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so9012957qyk.3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:23:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RxPlaAoIGnKwNvdSFZQVReWQu4EMkLaht4KU5+hl5to=; b=hKiQ8L+0TKnRCPnugb2JvgcBYVz0gu6tljGqC1neSWgfTpbYgp+lb6K0dFl7+gZzvg 2jUCFPsK8o7Ayx/jywqJYlGGDJydn738HsWXLgm7Ki4EvyQBjXdjSzJZ41yLdXrFVwB4 PYwtDkRL+bK3Z0wlWBwgmGaNP6PH8OikYOx28= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=xhzL8E0X28d33umkO03ScdQ1pHfmTrsb0H5QZv5+cGNYRPeXny+J+ykLHwuHyhqyoq vs8Qzl0sWgFEuJqr/AF8ns/l5vHZxlPWavNw2QemkL/2tam010+avX9a7JH7axynNh+1 sWdErZ7FUv5tsbHxO5pLqQFBBBUYSSPSX26O4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.86.194 with SMTP id t2mr775878qcl.49.1243617802627; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:23:22 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905291023h69638af9h5cbea2219efc34bc@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Customize .vacation.msg to include subject, sender, etc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:23:23 -0000 I'm using 'vacation' as an autoresponder, but can't seem to customize .vacation.msg to include the subject, sender, recipient, etc. Is there a way to do this? If not, is there a better autoresponder I can use? I realize I could write one myself, but I'd prefer to use an existing solution. -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:27:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E83106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry@pdc4u.com) Received: from mail.pdc4u.com (mail.pdc4u.com [71.36.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465368FC0C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry@pdc4u.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.pdc4u.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B130B6FF7; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:09:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pdc4u.com Received: from mail.pdc4u.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailserver.pdc4u.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gETY71hYABzz; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:09:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.80.100] (unknown [192.168.80.100]) by mail.pdc4u.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C661EB6FF0; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:09:41 -0600 (MDT) From: Barry McCormick To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Pay Data Center Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:09:41 -0600 Message-Id: <1243616981.26778.6.camel@bmac-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Michael Goodell Subject: difference between cvsup and portsnap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: barry@pdc4u.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:27:42 -0000 Here at my work we use FreeBSD in production. We have the following debate and wish to know better the differences between cvsup(csup) and portsnap. One of my co-workers think that portsnap should NOT be used and only gets the latest and greatest port collection, no matter what version of FreeBSD is on the server. For example, if you are still running a 5.4 stable box in production and use any of the portsnap, portupgrade, etc utilities, you would pull the current version ports and NOT from teh directory of the 5.4 ports. I.E, risk breaking the production box. So you should not use portsnap ever except for dev boxes. I have always used portsnap to set up a new machine. I have never had it pull a wrong port that I knew of. I think it has to pay attention to the version of the ports it is pulling. which is right? This is a major issue with our production servers. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:31:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549FE1065675 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holler_f@informatik.haw-hamburg.de) Received: from mail1.is.haw-hamburg.de (mail1.is.haw-hamburg.de [141.22.192.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BC68FC1B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holler_f@informatik.haw-hamburg.de) Received: from whiteshark.holler (e176180240.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.176.180.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.is.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883637D571 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:29:46 +0200 From: Fabian Holler To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090529172946.GB93798@whiteshark.holler> References: <20090529104441.GP98712@whiteshark.holler> <4A2005C1.9050404@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A2005C1.9050404@gmx.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV at mailgate.haw-hamburg.de Subject: Re: pppoe routing problem, default route isnt used for some hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:31:22 -0000 --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Nikos, thank you very much Nikos "You've repaired my internet" ,) On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 06:56:49PM +0300, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > Fabian Holler wrote: > > I have an strange routing problem. I can't connect to some hosts in the > > internet till I add an explicit route for this hosts with my default gw > > as gateway. > > There aren't any other routes that could match the destination IP for > > "non-working hosts". So the connection should also without an explicit > > route for this Hosts use the default gw. > Besides netstat -rn, you can use "route get southparkstudios.com" > to check a route for a destination. >=20 > > Connections with nc to port 80 works > > (the connections tests are made from the router, the iface MTUs are cor= rect) >=20 > You cannot test MTU settings using nc, since initial packets, that > is, small packets, are always smaller than your MTU. You can test > MTU using fetch or ftp or nc + "GET /some.big.file". I only tried to say, that the connection problems couldn't be an MTU problem. Because I tried to connect from the router(where the PPPOE iface should have the correct MTU) and not from any LAN-Host. > > PPPoE: > > new -i ng0 PPPoE PPPoE > > set iface addrs 1.1.1.1 2.2.2.2 >=20 > Maybe you should delete the above line as That was the problem:) I thought ip+netmask from the iface are arbitrary because they will be "overwritten" after I made an successfull connection. But the the crappy netmask was responsible for my problems > > set link mtu 1492 > > set link mru 1492 >=20 > this is also wrong, don't try to set MTU > or MRU. There are negotiated during PPP. removed this also :) regards Fabian --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkogG4oACgkQeki1sRhDXQDxRwCfTXTYeoPnUKRYmlSXjfoj4OEX sJcAnjyFSuDUrwl411ajKbm9ASkiy1uR =X9rr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:37:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036F91065676 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF1E8FC13 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4THbQ5q013169; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:37:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4THbQNL013166; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:37:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:37:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kelly Jones In-Reply-To: <26face530905291023h69638af9h5cbea2219efc34bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <26face530905291023h69638af9h5cbea2219efc34bc@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Customize .vacation.msg to include subject, sender, etc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:37:34 -0000 > I'm using 'vacation' as an autoresponder, but can't seem to customize > .vacation.msg to include the subject, sender, recipient, etc. > > Is there a way to do this? yes. example .vacation.msg: From: someone@somewhere Subject: Out of Office I am out of office until i will be back. Best regards Someone From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:52:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BD3106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D888FC14 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4THqqXJ042895; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4THqqkj042892; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:52:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Barry McCormick In-Reply-To: <1243616981.26778.6.camel@bmac-desktop> Message-ID: References: <1243616981.26778.6.camel@bmac-desktop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 29 May 2009 11:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Michael Goodell , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: difference between cvsup and portsnap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:52:54 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009, Barry McCormick wrote: > Here at my work we use FreeBSD in production. We have the following > debate and wish to know better the differences between cvsup(csup) and > portsnap. One of my co-workers think that portsnap should NOT be used > and only gets the latest and greatest port collection, no matter what > version of FreeBSD is on the server. For example, if you are still > running a 5.4 stable box in production and use any of the portsnap, > portupgrade, etc utilities, you would pull the current version ports and > NOT from teh directory of the 5.4 ports. I.E, risk breaking the > production box. So you should not use portsnap ever except for dev > boxes. The idea that there's a "5.4 ports" directory is mistaken. The ports tree isn't branched; note the lack of a "tag=" entry in the example ports-supfile. csup will let you retrieve from a certain date, but that's not normal usage for the ports tree. So check your ports-supfile. It's probably already retrieving the latest version of ports, just like portsnap. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:58:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E508F1065673 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62918FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n4THu8cM064484; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:56:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n4THu8wZ064483; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:56:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:56:08 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Martin McCormick Message-ID: <20090529175608.GB64291@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <200905291717.n4THHXGA036429@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200905291717.n4THHXGA036429@dc.cis.okstate.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Producing Bad Dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:58:08 -0000 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:17:33PM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: > Jerry McAllister writes: > > Probably you did not want the -x or -u, but instead wanted to do > > cd /MOUNTED_EMPTY_PARTITION > > restore -rf DUMPFILENAME > > That would be the ideal command. Per haps there is a > better approach so I am all ears as the saying goes. > > I am trying to set up a procedure so that we can take > another server, if necessary, format the drive with FreeBSD and > then restore the contents of a dead server to this drive and > have it ready to run. Yes, you would want to use restore -r for that. > > Of course, dd is great if both drives are the same size > but usually, the only thing both servers have in common is they > are both i86 systems and the goal is to try to get a platform > with a melted hard drive or mother board back on line. The holy > grail is a clone operation that can be documented so that a > worker of reasonable knowledge can do it successfully. You don't really want to use dd for that, partly for the reason that you give and partly because it doesn't allow the [new] system to do things such as assign inodes and space efficiently. > So, you need all the files, but they probably will not > occupy a disk that looks like the original one. In that respect, > tar does well but trashes special files like /dev > > > But, I am not sure because it is hard to understand why you chose -xu. > > The thought was that -u unlinks existing files so one > could write the restore right over the minimal system that was > there. -x was to extract / in order to get the entire root file > system. Well, you don't really want to create a minimal system on the device if you don't have to. You just want to slice (fdisk), partition(bsdlabel) and newfs it (using either sysinstall or manually fdisk, bsdlabel and newfs from a fixit) and then use a fixit CD to write the dump to the device with restore -r. That might be a problem if you are trying to read the dump from a remote storage. I don't know if the fixit has enough stuff to do that - it might. In that case, you might be better off having a spare drive you can plug in and build that minimal system on and then use it to build the full system and repopulate it from the remote dump file with restore -r. Actually, I think if you use restore -r it will behave OK writing over existing files. All the warning about it needing to be a clean file system is mostly so you won't overwrite something you do not want to. But, it leaves the possible problem that some vestigial stuff will be left around from the minimal install you overwrite with files you really don't want to be left around - eg files it has that are not duplicated in the dump so it ignores them and leaves them there. Try it out that way. Just use restore -rf and see how it handles it. > > Again, the idea is to recover a FreeBSD system as > quickly as possible and get it back to the patch level and > general operating conditions it was originally in before the > hardware that supported it died. If you made your own 'spare' disk that could be plugged in, you could script rebuilding the new disk and restoring the dump. You might have to tinker a bit. We used to have a complete setup that built the disk and then restored from a backup that we distributed. It did the disk slicing, then asked if it was a new install or if a restore from backup was desired and did it. That took a lot of writing in C and it needs to be rewritten since FreeBSD 4. But, it is readily doable. Have fun, ////jerry > > Again, many thanks. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 17:59:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29D010656C5 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dyioulos@firstbhph.com) Received: from mail1.firstbhph.com (65.105.102.163.ptr.us.xo.net [65.105.102.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22168FC0C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dyioulos@firstbhph.com) Received: from mepis1.headquarters.firstbhph.com (mepis1.headquarters.firstbhph.com [192.168.100.52]) by mail1.firstbhph.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4THeHrl016372 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:40:23 -0400 From: Dimitri Yioulos Organization: First 1 Financial Corporation To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:40:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <26face530905291023h69638af9h5cbea2219efc34bc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26face530905291023h69638af9h5cbea2219efc34bc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905291340.20085.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> X-Synonym: Copied by Synonym (http://www.modulo.ro/synonym) to: archive@firstbhph.com X-First1-MailScanner-Information: Please contact First 1 Financial Corporation for more information X-First1-MailScanner-ID: n4THeHrl016372 X-First1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-First1-MailScanner-MCPCheck: MCP-Clean, MCP-Checker (score=0, required 1) X-MailScanner-From: dyioulos@firstbhph.com X-MailScanner-To: archive@firstbhph.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-First1-MailScanner-Watermark: 1244223623.39037@V3kqTq2lSwkdPRRX1bPj0g Subject: Re: Customize .vacation.msg to include subject, sender, etc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:59:14 -0000 On Friday 29 May 2009 1:23:22 pm Kelly Jones wrote: > I'm using 'vacation' as an autoresponder, but > can't seem to customize .vacation.msg to > include the subject, sender, recipient, etc. > > Is there a way to do this? > > If not, is there a better autoresponder I can > use? > > I realize I could write one myself, but I'd > prefer to use an existing solution. > IIRC, ".vacation.msg" should live in each user's home directory. ".forward" is responsible for actually enabling 'vacation' for any particular user. The format for including the subject and sender, at least, is simply: From: "Alfred E. Neuman" Subject: Out of Office at the top of ".vacation.msg". HTH Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 18:01:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7341065676 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35848FC0C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98167E840; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:01:03 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:01:01 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <89C182FE-81B9-474E-84EA-FBB6F68C4E75@eecs.berkeley.edu> In-Reply-To: <89C182FE-81B9-474E-84EA-FBB6F68C4E75@eecs.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905292001.02072.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Steven Schlansker Subject: Re: pfsync in GENERIC? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:01:05 -0000 On Friday 29 May 2009 18:19:52 Steven Schlansker wrote: > [steven@gateway2:~]% sudo /etc/rc.d/pfsync start > /etc/rc.d/pfsync: WARNING: pfsync(4) must be statically compiled in > the kernel. > Is pfsync not in GENERIC? I checked the amd64 config file and indeed > it does not show up, however pf and pflog are not there either but are > usable in the base system, so I am not positive that pfsync being > missing is therefore conclusive. > > I would like to if at all possible use GENERIC so that I can take > advantage of freebsd-update etc. Is there some way to get this all > running without recompiling the kernel? No, the error message is clear. pfsync cannot currently be loaded as kernel module and it's not in GENERIC. The same goes for altq. See sys/conf/NOTES for details. FYI: On -current it's still not possible to load as a module. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 18:02:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E901F1065688 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:02:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f164.google.com (mail-ew0-f164.google.com [209.85.219.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6F68FC12 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:02:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so2967976ewy.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:02:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ab0BR0QSlkJP+BCZ6DxKg1aWYExCj2ZEtOrn6eR48dA=; b=wI1oySLD5HnWhzBRcU3yzOwKmm9UlJZ0HijgWUS3JO/id2lIQa+hR8l/65k6u2/Uij kHAFacnqXkE68t27cxnke4V/vLkCuAORc+5tJbvABv7negSg7BQavJE6F/nyHOEDSlOc r5brbCMxgfsY+MoahP6D3Ay35Bc4QOcmiobL0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WmI3lh0VxP8+skIqY8XUqcVwDhk/c2gBOQD9NZs4IPxNaNBGYLgCapTSk0ZjYZTAwT OVPtwdgO8/XoyY3yYJxpcjOoshTKQGuMZ0mWNM/y+SSA5EdSoWjhZFTZwG0bOH1pjrDQ vxLrDda7OKP8TAm5tq0JiCoZf88Xx8g4aMeqA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.212 with SMTP id 62mr1013462wex.186.1243618854586; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:40:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1243616981.26778.6.camel@bmac-desktop> References: <1243616981.26778.6.camel@bmac-desktop> From: APseudoUtopia Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:40:34 -0400 Message-ID: <27ade5280905291040t227f5a12k2f47e7ee1c46ac69@mail.gmail.com> To: barry@pdc4u.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Michael Goodell , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: difference between cvsup and portsnap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:02:05 -0000 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Barry McCormick wrote: > Here at my work we use FreeBSD in production. =C2=A0We have the following > debate and wish to know better the differences between cvsup(csup) and > portsnap. =C2=A0One of my co-workers think that portsnap should NOT be us= ed > and only gets the latest and greatest port collection, no matter what > version =C2=A0of FreeBSD is on the server. =C2=A0 For example, if you are= still > running a 5.4 stable box in production and use any of the portsnap, > portupgrade, etc utilities, you would pull the current version ports and > NOT from teh directory of the 5.4 ports. I.E, risk breaking the > production box. =C2=A0So you should not use portsnap ever except for dev > boxes. > > I have always used portsnap to set up a new machine. =C2=A0I have never h= ad > it pull a wrong port that I knew of. =C2=A0I think it has to pay attentio= n to > the version of the ports it is pulling. > > > which is right? =C2=A0This is a major issue with our production servers. > Thanks > There is no "5.4" branch of the ports collection. If you're running FreeBSD 2, you have the same exact ports collection as FreeBSD 8 does (as long as you get an updated copy of the ports collection, of course). CSup gets the instant CVS revision of the ports collection. Portsnap is a bit delayed because it fetches a tarball of the collection (it doesn't check out from CVS). However, portsnap uses a secure key to verify the integrity of the snapshot retrieved. I personally use portsnap. It's also easier to script. I have this in my crontab; 0 0 * * * root /usr/sbin/portsnap -I cron update && /usr/sbin/pkg_version -I -L =3D -v It updates the index files, not the actual ports collection itself. This way, it wont interrupt any currently running compiles or upgrades. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 18:03:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE42210656A5 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631DC8FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so3339608qwe.7 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CijaYZ7Hg6K1ieHtwNjbUr+Ckr7lcA/GUXBb8CfyUdc=; b=fepeyVSVgwX5cYozP3ExDgShmSd4bU+JWv27G8GyTg6bY4Y3vt6XIz5a/nnf2nvtfX ssKb/b9rVElUcMAuwdUgbCvi6CfutIoG4vE+ZtYIGUVKIA7/EFqn1YsYIuBarTCYwwFY wucA1ppEjX41PGg1DSc9Es5k0Kiy5uU/QVcKQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sVdGSWd89sP7xSh6nytAiBsgBq7zz7+c2a3o0z0xjiA9XouJNTLJRbBjWlmPebtllF Drm7hNPmLtfvXgcjcnaUtAGe0K9dWZjkFpiJBwsZtjmmT2wGG1/I11r2e38k6ko7zJ8L sQl2U22UhvQu/5/dfrbzRZURBDBwUGA3xY8ik= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.134 with SMTP id y6mr1196777qcn.27.1243620196598; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <26face530905291023h69638af9h5cbea2219efc34bc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:16 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905291103h127c7b6bhe334a231e9008ac7@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Customize .vacation.msg to include subject, sender, etc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:03:18 -0000 Woops, that's not quite what I meant, sorry. I meant something like: From: someone@somewhere Subject: Re: {subject of message you sent} Dear {email address of person who sent message}, You recently sent an email to {to address of messages}... and so on. I realize the to address is often fixed, but I'm doing this in virtusertable/aliases as: @foo.com autoreply autoreply: "|/usr/bin/vacation ..." so the to address might be "abc@foo.com" for one message, "xyz@foo.com" for another message, etc. In other words, a true autoresponder. -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. On 5/29/09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> I'm using 'vacation' as an autoresponder, but can't seem to customize >> .vacation.msg to include the subject, sender, recipient, etc. >> >> Is there a way to do this? > yes. > > example .vacation.msg: > > From: someone@somewhere > Subject: Out of Office > > I am out of office until i will be back. > > Best regards > Someone From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 18:17:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DF31065673 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BAC8FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6407320bwz.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:17:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IyNilEHo2vY532P7vd/JpOBYObcqG266gg6uhkRI/jY=; b=IeC9whpsl//NRwyWLcSJfgpbCZRGMowmlE2qexxeKrOMuUgkQbJd/3tesNeTtwo5+W cL8YwZCRqfhXU+PKsugrTKVg5z0nla/UWE+Ev4smzTbqnF4mhyeL+aUVrqgLi+xMva3C d4mE5HZy9h9G2iIp77scVbqLt83Sb3Sngu8iI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VXWppfz0vUoHIj9ZgnCjkUFTYu1qrB8TSD3d5scryiKfm4jtCplMy9vKfioO+ubvcL bRqNVvVF+sDI3VUOcqtSnLfV7lGqyNwM7zUhAX/+eQtK9P1ldK1PqtDpFuxs3wGqCVJE LPIbCWIL7i7jHZpDzwyufLIU8H2BeroMd7dWY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.115.143 with SMTP id i15mr2651206bkq.103.1243620620776; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:10:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905291103w5ca1a8c3h67a6005b91f8a10e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1243616981.26778.6.camel@bmac-desktop> <4ad871310905291103w5ca1a8c3h67a6005b91f8a10e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:10:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905291110q2525acedr4c3fb742ed76803d@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: barry@pdc4u.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Michael Goodell , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: difference between cvsup and portsnap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:17:09 -0000 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Glen Barber wrot= e: [snip] > > Neither one is "right", per se. =A0However, if you use one, continue to > use _that_one_ to avoid conflicts. > Actually meant to say, neither one is "wrong" or "better than the other." Came out wrong. :) --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 18:19:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AADF1065691 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5E88FC2B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C679C16C021E; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4TIJKhC001477; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:19:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:19:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: barry@pdc4u.com Message-Id: <20090529201920.1d386849.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1243616981.26778.6.camel@bmac-desktop> References: <1243616981.26778.6.camel@bmac-desktop> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Michael Goodell , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: difference between cvsup and portsnap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:19:28 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:09:41 -0600, Barry McCormick wrote: > For example, if you are still > running a 5.4 stable box in production and use any of the portsnap, > portupgrade, etc utilities, you would pull the current version ports and > NOT from teh directory of the 5.4 ports. I.E, risk breaking the > production box. So you should not use portsnap ever except for dev > boxes. As far as I understood, the ports tree is always "up to date", i. e. ther's no separate tree for 5, 6 and 7 (and 8). If you update your ports tree, using portsnap or c(v)sup, you end up with the latest tree. There isn't a separate ports tree for, ket's say, 5.4-RELEASE, except you use that from the installation media (or from FTP) and DON'T update it. In addition, if you use cvsup to update your sources, you can of course specify the exact release (with patches), the release branch (stable) or the current point in development (head). There's a tool called portdowngrade (if I remember correctly) that lets you fetch ports from an older version. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 18:27:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B761065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:27:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524E68FC1B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.145] (helo=smtp14.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MA6np-0001BG-Sf; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:27:37 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp14.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MA6no-0003S5-A9; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:27:36 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71D33983B; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:27:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A202916.3020409@boosten.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:27:34 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kelly Jones References: <26face530905291023h69638af9h5cbea2219efc34bc@mail.gmail.com> <26face530905291103h127c7b6bhe334a231e9008ac7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26face530905291103h127c7b6bhe334a231e9008ac7@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1MA6no-0003S5-A9 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Customize .vacation.msg to include subject, sender, etc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:27:40 -0000 Kelly Jones wrote: > Woops, that's not quite what I meant, sorry. I meant something like: > > From: someone@somewhere > Subject: Re: {subject of message you sent} > > Dear {email address of person who sent message}, > > You recently sent an email to {to address of messages}... > > and so on. I realize the to address is often fixed, but I'm doing this > in virtusertable/aliases as: > > @foo.com autoreply > autoreply: "|/usr/bin/vacation ..." > > so the to address might be "abc@foo.com" for one message, > "xyz@foo.com" for another message, etc. > > In other words, a true autoresponder. > Hmmm, procmail might be able to do that with the right recipe. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 18:33:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D14106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:33:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B519F8FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:33:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1701256fxm.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:33:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SDvALAAdcSQy7Y0bvnINhdh1toBfiBvZY2hcVzSZREs=; b=mqkrg762PWoZ59ZTc+AG4LJ/3nwnXCwUJyMG5DKyRnH0Upt8juY018VThodGb9z69N MA92v/KBh9FwUYC+kgCn5uyBJeSb9xbsz7EWDlH8rF5CdWJASC6NHfMBcUDvsHoP1s5P 77AMEqfDy5gO4qEZDeL9b+JigUtwrufN+8yKU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M22TVXNMR3RHFSCTyTK7yQLTnF00M7DvNax2nuE8p/f45AGG3OYr2TesG5Afs/ENwp X0yj7VALnePIf7B+WqkxB0acWIyABhiMlZylr0eJlVQsVaUKlj0KysnBV4Xn7g82FsCQ ViLHHOKyKg/N/gBjCAUAAp6TFRKpOeayK4baw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.122.74 with SMTP id k10mr2608055bkr.129.1243620218086; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1243616981.26778.6.camel@bmac-desktop> References: <1243616981.26778.6.camel@bmac-desktop> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:03:37 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905291103w5ca1a8c3h67a6005b91f8a10e@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: barry@pdc4u.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Michael Goodell , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: difference between cvsup and portsnap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:33:25 -0000 Hi, Barry On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Barry McCormick wrote: > Here at my work we use FreeBSD in production. =A0We have the following > debate and wish to know better the differences between cvsup(csup) and > portsnap. =A0One of my co-workers think that portsnap should NOT be used > and only gets the latest and greatest port collection, no matter what > version =A0of FreeBSD is on the server. =A0 For example, if you are still > running a 5.4 stable box in production and use any of the portsnap, > portupgrade, etc utilities, you would pull the current version ports and > NOT from teh directory of the 5.4 ports. I.E, risk breaking the > production box. =A0So you should not use portsnap ever except for dev > boxes. > Either way, with 5.X being EOL'd, there is no guarantee current ports will work. > I have always used portsnap to set up a new machine. =A0I have never had > it pull a wrong port that I knew of. =A0I think it has to pay attention t= o > the version of the ports it is pulling. > > > which is right? =A0This is a major issue with our production servers. > Thanks > Neither one is "right", per se. However, if you use one, continue to use _that_one_ to avoid conflicts. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 18:39:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75336106567E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:39:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scs@EECS.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.60.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440E68FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 18:39:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scs@EECS.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from [10.10.1.71] (66.236.51.34.ptr.us.xo.net [66.236.51.34]) (authenticated bits=0) by gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.14.3/8.13.5) with ESMTP id n4TIcxaJ017604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Steven Schlansker To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200905292001.02072.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:38:54 -0700 References: <89C182FE-81B9-474E-84EA-FBB6F68C4E75@eecs.berkeley.edu> <200905292001.02072.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: pfsync in GENERIC? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:39:06 -0000 On May 29, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Friday 29 May 2009 18:19:52 Steven Schlansker wrote: > >> [steven@gateway2:~]% sudo /etc/rc.d/pfsync start >> /etc/rc.d/pfsync: WARNING: pfsync(4) must be statically compiled in >> the kernel. > >> Is pfsync not in GENERIC? I checked the amd64 config file and indeed >> it does not show up, however pf and pflog are not there either but >> are >> usable in the base system, so I am not positive that pfsync being >> missing is therefore conclusive. >> >> I would like to if at all possible use GENERIC so that I can take >> advantage of freebsd-update etc. Is there some way to get this all >> running without recompiling the kernel? > > No, the error message is clear. pfsync cannot currently be loaded as > kernel > module and it's not in GENERIC. The same goes for altq. See sys/conf/ > NOTES for > details. Ah, now I get it. I'm used to the Linux way of configuring modules where if a device is a module, it still appears in the configuration file. So I was interpreting the missing "pf" and "pflog" entries not as "built as a module" but as "missing, why can I still use them?" And not to be argumentative, but sys/conf/NOTES does not really provide any information. The only comment explains what the device does, not why it wouldn't be enabled in GENERIC. Is there any reason it could not be? (For those of us who want to use freebsd-update, for example) By digging around on the internet it seems that the problem arises from the use of multicast protocols (ref: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-pf/2005-October/001521.html) . pfsync allows the use of unicast as well - would it be feasible to have a modular version that only supports unicast (via syncpeer) perhaps? There's not been much of a discussion about this since 2005, it seems. I'm curious as to that the prevailing opinion is. > > FYI: On -current it's still not possible to load as a module. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 19:00:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EEA106567E for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0808FC1F for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4TJ0GFv093130 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:00:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200905291900.n4TJ0GFv093130@dc.cis.okstate.edu> to: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <93128.1243623616.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:00:16 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: Producing Bad Dumps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:00:40 -0000 Jerry McAllister writes: > Yes, you would want to use restore -r for that. and many other good suggestions. I think we can grow the kind of setup you described. Something like that has been sort of rolling around in the back of my head for a while. Again, thank you. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 19:06:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F03C106567B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:06:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E368FC1B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034575E0BA; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:06:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.914 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.686, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id jlZavMkUje6I; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:06:26 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AC55E0F0; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:06:25 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090407) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:06:33 -0000 Wojciech Puchar skrev: >>>> Produces the same result :-( >>>> >>> >>> wouldn't it be better to pkg_delete xserver, make config, turn off >>> hal dependency and then install. Probably it will work fine then. >> >> Sounds lika a good idea. I'll try it and repport back. >> /Leslie >> >> > of course turn off hald, and run moused. > Unfortunately that did not fix the problem :-( What do I test next? /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 19:23:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E1C1065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9088FC1A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:23:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6442439bwz.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:23:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=a9p4H40SMEAov/7//uef/ShEMQt5IsbzSIw07S5xx64=; b=mrax7Fq92fxqC5xunjEa1uNwhvu3OPQgpyp4R45iiLSVHGdgKK/FMVOCkGTW/+yTAi FVavTjfktIMsM6MblHb6K/3sXOPrGGxrsQqLGnqSe37txvJTb1uZW4LWUH73dmTh/uW/ lqol8nOs0JFdvSAcMRFYTz4VLQ3fezAPiXhc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vTgTPTwmTRNy0UdF0RCP8eBIXjQ2JTSKcYRWohdppOZWiSY29eQ2wC1l8X6i7ip+jj 6b6ETcfpqXqtDEkhDOAUxjONSxZFDQCWvBBw+VkUC/fHkJcmKlgeOvcXCSseIbnTWQ1C Koca3LBU8swfY34owEgk/qtLT07mXq7koIKao= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.70 with SMTP id c6mr2678476bkr.144.1243625025308; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:23:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:23:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905291223s1b011ea4l3b01870188dd3db8@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Leslie Jensen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:23:47 -0000 Leslie, On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> of course turn off hald, and run moused. >> > Unfortunately that did not fix the problem :-( > What do I test next? Could you paste the output of: cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg; make missing -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:01:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF52E1065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidcollins001@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f164.google.com (mail-ew0-f164.google.com [209.85.219.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4928FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidcollins001@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so3039829ewy.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kCyzuv838+RY6Gd5/ETsGdDwJ28LkIS3LcDyPsYSttU=; b=qRP9uKynk7Wc88xH6gZK1ajqhANOES/IhyPYboOZco8COskNakkgdn5X8YtYmAO/Ei 4oy3V8iUNwRBoJCL0Z42mn2MKzdBUIARbYAF/AkRdu6YHMXQNBfxvDrVcvKXGtZOvaHC HFNto0IMOnm2S36SYUyOH/z0+Iz5vOsjXw+KI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=fhHLzCJmaXHJupXEZY7S9f1xBwZbWzIYwsgro80BWeG+hu3lH4o+jZ+OIdKsXIbr7v cX3JyWcuZtZFrGpIfsFM189H9Vl0Vilzb1Lhop2FMFH5ghOLK8tBMvyCVyRYMbrbBha/ BqtoBza98fPUhHvTxgJg23mg2qGN0VfdcCHz8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.28.75 with SMTP id f53mr1033507wea.165.1243625745394; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:35:45 +0100 Message-ID: <1b30fd140905291235q7f45e6c3x7dcba8a8e88cf3ca@mail.gmail.com> From: David Collins To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: portupgrade jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: davidcollins001@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:01:07 -0000 Hi, I have several jails for the purpose of not trashing my root partition with junk programs that I may not need and also to learn how to run various system services, ie dns, http, mysql, samba etc. I have been running them for a while and have only just updated the jail root after rebuilding world. I have been using portupgrade to rebuild the host ports I have installed. What I would like it know is if it is possible to use portupgrade on the host system to update the jail ports. So like when rebuilding world a destdir is specified and is populated with the new world, is it possible to do the same with portupgrade? The reason is because I don't want to have to install portupgrade and ruby several times, also I can script the upgrade easily too. I have been reading through the ports and portupgrade man pages and setting environment variables to the appropriate directories in the jail to try to get this to work but so far no luck. Portupgrade wants to upgrade the host ports Here is what I have tried so far: viper:~$ export DISTDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/tmp/ viper:~$ export WRKDIRPREFIX=/usr/jails/xserver/var/tmp/ viper:~$ export PREFIX=/usr/jails/xserver/usr/local/ viper:~$ export BATCH=yes viper:~$ export PORT_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/p viper:~$ export PORT_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/ports viper:~$ export PKG_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/pkg/ viper:~$ export PORTS_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/ports viper:~$ viper:~$ sudo portupgrade -narR ---- snip wanting to upgrade host ports ---- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:06:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5E01065677 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D05B8FC14 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4TK5oXG018931 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:06:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 498647D487 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:05:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB497D48B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:05:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 29 May 2009 15:05:49 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:04:57 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE1C@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sys/sched.h: present but cannot be compiled Thread-Index: AcngmL11ziD8TembT9idKMu/hRT5tA== From: "Gary Gatten" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2009 20:05:49.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC352110:01C9E098] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: sys/sched.h: present but cannot be compiled X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:06:01 -0000 On 6.0 RELEASE I keep getting this error. I've read a bunch of links and tried tweaking some source to no avail. Any help resolving this would be appreciated. It sounds kinda bad to me, but things are working *OK*.... I don't like warnings, let alone those that have to do with scheduling and threads... =20 $ grep sched.h config.log configure:33355: checking sched.h usability configure:33400: checking sched.h presence configure:33471: checking for sched.h configure:33355: checking sys/sched.h usability /usr/include/sys/sched.h: In function `sched_pin': /usr/include/sys/sched.h:103: error: `curthread' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/include/sys/sched.h:103: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/include/sys/sched.h:103: error: for each function it appears in.) /usr/include/sys/sched.h: In function `sched_unpin': /usr/include/sys/sched.h:109: error: `curthread' undeclared (first use in this function) | #include configure:33400: checking sys/sched.h presence configure:33449: WARNING: sys/sched.h: present but cannot be compiled configure:33451: WARNING: sys/sched.h: check for missing prerequisite headers? configure:33453: WARNING: sys/sched.h: see the Autoconf documentation configure:33455: WARNING: sys/sched.h: section "Present But Cannot Be Compiled" configure:33457: WARNING: sys/sched.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result configure:33459: WARNING: sys/sched.h: in the future, the compiler will take precedence
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:06:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0631065678 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549A78FC15 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bahamasfranks@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so3396533ywe.13 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:06:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pZgAOTZ2Jlgcfa5zy86739j0FmN7fbRGRhPXvMSGXYk=; b=rWhGlGL9l6MvyPnmxf3Jr5kWcNM3Dhp/UNHVS5k4sWQ669fyu6i8VMnusrKj1YzPdl YwcOj18mnvuRwETB33o9PiwMXY3qtdIczXgBvuqy8ZNGFN1YZAtc4IM9oVtv+RW1aSGQ 8MrA7CF3ch5goUsH2p+amARyiY3rUxssWqllI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Vk5gS99MQosEqX9R/NjCDV+JCI+Y60FAzmDbuKiSNf3fZWgzZOCh5vFwvimjFO6X80 1N8k7YUULoNJYMPC+gn2/kexf4Fdk5WLAY7XGQfAFBSeTbZee7DGYr5B0pZE76R1WM6j t7MhZ8nDewK5uVmTTGQvNy2sga4NeO8lXc2dM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.229.14 with SMTP id b14mr3038101anh.156.1243625885260; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:38:05 -0700 Message-ID: <539c60b90905291238q6e6b5267s4fc7e7313db6c1d1@mail.gmail.com> From: Steve Franks To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: inserting cd locks up 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:06:01 -0000 I stick a CD in the drive that used to work fine under 7.0, I get: acd0: WARNING - READ_TOC read data overrun 28>4 acd0: WARNING - READ_TOC read data overrun 28>12 And then a hard freeze. With a different disk, the 28 is a 20, I believe. Changed motherboard when I upgraded to 7.2 (hard disk died), can't rule that out either... Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:12:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148D2106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6D78FC14 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 21043 invoked from network); 29 May 2009 20:12:45 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 29 May 2009 20:12:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:13:33 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Manolis Kiagias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gary Gatten Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:12:46 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I've been subscribed to this list for quite some time. I've tried to >> help where I know, Hey folks, all of you, could I please sugggest that this entire thread (under a variety of subject names) is an abuse of the lists? These topics should definitely occur, something like this has to happen ocaisonally, but it needs to go to FreeBSD-chat, where the list topics are very specifically allowed great latitude. The FreeBSD-Questions list is very obvioiusly to help folks, and not to debate list usage, or any of the varied purposes it's been pushed to recently. I'm not saying don't discuss it, I'm saying, if it's *not* FreeBSD tech support, then please take it to FreeBSD-Chat, where you folks all know it belongs. Some of the comments I've seen threatening silly things liek dropping FreeBSD itself for abuse of lists, shouldn't ask for censorship, but those kind of complaints actually should be complaints about where these things are going to. You can discuss *absolutely* anything you want on FreeBSD-chat, so why don't you take advantage of that? I myself will actively support anyone's privilege to say whatever they please, if you just use the correct list to do it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:15:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A781065686 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f159.google.com (mail-fx0-f159.google.com [209.85.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B5B8FC1C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1753202fxm.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:15:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SUFTO7T4SQixEDOtRTT7sKpXC1JxwYsdnJVBRRvSi1o=; b=iIrdltvH2GIvVebEsRlgrSLv3zqEY+8JK1Qxw/BUU2jLNLu5PjMp/xd9LrAK9qlaBG h91HXsw8qE8dw8NdQsdHv13egfP/KCrREB2scvsqfFmaAQm0LWFGrj+O/hL21OC1kxmA ZW+Qq91Ki2BvbaXcjOJ9kDUmaU1ljYY5R9C2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gEz96sn0/r1TTNPWO+ZEgDa0YgTIMGqyMZa5DfEnHNHRtswoPd6EV060tVXlQBdIDk 0M2PWSREjN1Qevr+LBJ//4RXWU58BTpJPKexl2nT9jLrpxfwhO+oQ9ganQpFRuKYk1sI IbP7A/Wysll3sbqrQjzwLsOI8dNxj2QiNRgFw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.55.140 with SMTP id u12mr2755233bkg.98.1243628101674; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:15:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <539c60b90905291238q6e6b5267s4fc7e7313db6c1d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <539c60b90905291238q6e6b5267s4fc7e7313db6c1d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905291315w1318d03aqc355f2fd3c9b5a65@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Steve Franks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: inserting cd locks up 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:15:03 -0000 Hi, Steve On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Steve Franks wro= te: > I stick a CD in the drive that used to work fine under 7.0, I get: > > acd0: WARNING - READ_TOC read data overrun 28>4 > acd0: WARNING - READ_TOC read data overrun 28>12 > > And then a hard freeze. =A0With a different disk, the 28 is a 20, I > believe. =A0Changed motherboard when I upgraded to 7.2 (hard disk died), > can't rule that out either... > Is this i386 or amd64? What kind of motherboard? Also, does any of this information fit your situation? http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.freebsd.stable/browse_thread/thread/= 13d23481915cc938/77628119f5dedc5a?lnk=3Draot --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:25:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173F7106567A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:25:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59D88FC65 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:25:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110637E837; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:25:56 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:25:41 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200905292225.41654.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Johan Hendriks Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:25:59 -0000 On Friday 29 May 2009 09:21:36 Johan Hendriks wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, > >> > > >> > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail > >> > >> I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: > >> http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 > > > >It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: > >a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever > >possible. > >b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. > >c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - > >you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that > > specific database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm > > rolling my own. > > > >-- > >Mel > > Option c and do not understand. > > You can use a centralized database and let as many postfix, dovecot servers > talk to that database as you want, or am i seeing this wrong. Sure. And they will accept mail for everything in the database, you will have no good routing as any given setting applies to any given postfix installation, unless you maintain internal DNS and transport maps locally and very carefully. So my own database has a 'servers' table and transport / relay are applied per server. This way an incoming mailhub accepting for all domains can get transport info from the same database and multiple transport maps can be applied for the same domain, pending the role of the server in the mail network that requests the info. Postfix (and dovecot) maps simply have a WHERE me='mailhub.example.com' clause. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:35:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2306C106564A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:35:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-124.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-124.bluehost.com [67.222.38.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF0858FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 5540 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2009 20:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 20:35:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=StiVSdPhxRKVfvD25Dp5WLSQyrGwwzgLIpc9rdg55oW1atAFVgI6ZF8OtTNipIH8FhCFV//wpxjoOs07EW+7c3DqnoGr0PO8n6QGuDzfa2tNmeamjSRbQqBhM/8YG0uK; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MA8nx-0005Fe-F9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:35:53 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 29 May 2009 14:30:56 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:30:55 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090529203055.GB47683@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87my8w6shm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87octcuklu.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20090529170049.GB46917@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090529170049.GB46917@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:35:54 -0000 --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > So . . . you have the same choice in a dictatorship that you have in a > benign dictatorship: leave. That should have said: So . . . you have the same choice in a moderated mailing list that you have in a benign dictatorship: leave. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth C. S. Lewis: "We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive." --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkogRf8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUt/gCfRPnj4wdBqkuuDuSP42QDY4fY 7rcAoKo587DEWrpqnLVtNRCoSXlnbexl =q53X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:36:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4251065674 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAB98FC1F for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890A57E837; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:36:09 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:36:07 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE1C@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE1C@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905292236.07971.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Gary Gatten Subject: Re: sys/sched.h: present but cannot be compiled X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:36:11 -0000 On Friday 29 May 2009 22:04:57 Gary Gatten wrote: > On 6.0 RELEASE I keep getting this error. I've read a bunch of links > and tried tweaking some source to no avail. Any help resolving this > would be appreciated. It sounds kinda bad to me, but things are working > *OK*.... I don't like warnings, let alone those that have to do with > scheduling and threads... Tell the GNU autoconf maintainers to fix their macros then. They're trying to include a header with _KERNEL defined outside the kernel. And they should be using anyway. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:38:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A0110656C7 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:38:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FF828FC28 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:38:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10915 invoked from network); 29 May 2009 20:38:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=LtmEOAzmfYm5aVS6zZM4jsAxmzKwB+qdpCARcRHsWxtlHS0itWaGBt6Rliqd5C+xLqo4SE6fcB2Jp6l6PNhyHHopBBOjXdAUZB6Srbq25pb+34Y6C+RA4GNognmDa9S30fzlt9O4q6UhFzMmQzjb/W/Tuqvr/TQHShgCqKX2lDM= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 13:38:18 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: 4095aG0VM1mobaJpJoMX03oEcj8Rf5oPV5tpynxPYeBaCoYITY1P2LMTxokCKCZuigl_e8ZmAiofsei4xKHc4kDAiY0Mkt_Sl.7CrfK6fI2HFWRerKDcR4JaxEEq1_K2osKyAWMlLP6m5vnbNXUVdasViJupN61Io243Twdyhm.mPH0JtuYk5_Fp25b4fSjoz78P5VPShelPgQMnP3J.m.QGVXXAoXlMl5_b7cAI9UjX7QIWi0soWBseAczAMcfUmoogwF8L_MXjO1wo2GAZbnhE0xU7YrjJG2ty2gUfENRIy71kIryvW4Jk70JHMjs- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:38:07 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090529163807.687eead3@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090529150327.GA63687@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <1243611407.18401.62.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE09@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/G8p8czOqSKMljXnp_q/Snnz"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:38:20 -0000 --Sig_/G8p8czOqSKMljXnp_q/Snnz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:29:17 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Dude, that's it! The increase in global oil consumption has >> inadvertently raised the level of the Oceans due to more Super >> tankers! You're freaking BRILLIANT! $200M Grant for you to continue >> this ground breaking research! > >I think extra tax for supertankers are the right solution! > >UPS.. maybe better not write that, as people from governments may get=20 >this new idea. Worse, the EU will consider 'super tankers' unfair to smaller sized tankers and require super tankers to only carry half as much cargo. Then they will require the owners of the super tankers to give away super tankers to those companies that don't own one, just to level the playing filed. Finally, they will fine the super tanker owners for being to efficient. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com The perfect lover is one who turns into a pizza at 4:00 A.M. Charles Pierce --Sig_/G8p8czOqSKMljXnp_q/Snnz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkogR7kACgkQBvaKIJWWCO2lggCeK+FhRezsuhycIzn7fFD0gn62 EqkAnjjbCEi0eZPpo82EEqXPjagEiWvz =ASRS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/G8p8czOqSKMljXnp_q/Snnz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:44:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D0F106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177138FC19 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:44:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003467E837; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:44:38 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:44:37 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <89C182FE-81B9-474E-84EA-FBB6F68C4E75@eecs.berkeley.edu> <200905292001.02072.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905292244.37398.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Steven Schlansker Subject: Re: pfsync in GENERIC? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:44:41 -0000 On Friday 29 May 2009 20:38:54 Steven Schlansker wrote: > And not to be argumentative, but sys/conf/NOTES does not really > provide any information. The only comment explains what the device > does, not why it wouldn't be enabled in GENERIC. Is there any reason > it could not be? (For those of us who want to use freebsd-update, for > example) Choice of the project. You'd have to ask on -current, -pf or -hackers for a more authoritative answer, but my guess would be that 80% of the people using this feature in production have a highly optimized kernel and wouldn't be using GENERIC to begin with. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:46:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9851065670 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-124.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-124.bluehost.com [67.222.38.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5D5C8FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 27874 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2009 20:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 20:46:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=CcJ23jvh+tzMhURLxh7t+Jw57LMWxz5mJRgSaG0R0G1/VMuXPYPWrpC9V/B5nzOH3426YkR7rYyK4V9xrH9yrZprqav5K7owyIBTvPQV1QzMTAXfp2UWvbISsFeujjb3; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MA8xp-0000US-NH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 14:46:06 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 29 May 2009 14:41:08 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:41:08 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090529204108.GC47683@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <20090529163443.GA46917@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8NvZYKFJsRX2Djef" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:46:07 -0000 --8NvZYKFJsRX2Djef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:13:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >software that runs on multiple OSes (and not *just* FreeBSD) to run an > >extra system, running some other OS. >=20 > no. i expect them to ask THAT program support. >=20 > In really rare cases when they got an answer like > "You did all fine, i have the same configured program in my=20 > linux/openbsd/netbsd/solaris/whatever OS and it works fine" So . . . basically, it's okay for someone to ask about X if that person also runs Linux, but not if that person doesn't. That's the logical consequence of your argument thus far. How well have you actually thought this through? >=20 > They it's place to ask because certainly there's something wrong with the= =20 > port. I don't recall that being an obvious and necessary condition of the example -- and that didn't seem to matter when you suggested that it might be on-topic if the querent also happens to have a Linux-based system handy. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth FreeBSD Secure Programming Guidelines: "In fact, never ever use gets() or sprintf(), period. If you do - we will send evil dwarfs after you." --8NvZYKFJsRX2Djef Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkogSGQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUDMgCg2MOlQy/1GHMG3f4Xt8fhfH/z LjcAn0wfH/A5ZuKiAgWLMa59J4ZYikWI =EtO0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8NvZYKFJsRX2Djef-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:50:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2110F1065687 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57F98FC1C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so3397719qwe.7 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:50:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=y/rMTnyXPurSUqkZJYQV077JrVg3pzOtBHyxTEPQTVg=; b=u1qEyRHUk2D3BwJ4ksWZVAd7QvCnT4xK7ALPu5zVVj9dM+xNdac2iZyn9t5pAnryIG lGuIcBUp7SEBk+nnJ28uNbtZde3SbbvDFC3OvpTR78FPjhldnmEDimqSjJElCNcYf2OG +eaOoFRH/kVdT1ylMAIQfFRMMbDqVa64UNCQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=ppHI15+HyyVr1Zm+A9PDleiAv521moO0LzGHGvY9xfd/R/4vmdYFmH0++n8LFTTZyc PAK8gj3Y/jp7DnVQWL4kM0wXbDgKaz23CLVZ092s6WoaHAqmrhh9N+hpUXFqKmzYetv+ HsoQ6nqDHdM7Cy+XvfEWMhYBEtBXJfi0vA4qA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.71.143 with SMTP id h15mr2991019vcj.51.1243630222136; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:50:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> From: Tim Judd Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:50:02 -0600 Message-ID: To: Mel Flynn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "John Dakos \[ Enovation Technologies \]" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Zbigniew Szalbot Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:50:24 -0000 2009/5/27 Mel Flynn > > On Monday 25 May 2009 13:53:40 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, > > > > > > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail > > > > I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: > > http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 > > It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: > a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever > possible. > b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. > c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - > you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that > specific > database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my own. > Just thought I should make a couple comments, it's not a message to change or correct Mel's message but rather just a idea on a possible solution I have deployed and would like input and experience/results relayed to me. Put whatever MTA you want, I use postfix primarily. sendmail would work too, but I don't know exim or qmail. Install OpenBSD's spamd (that works with PF, and ipfw support is early, but there) on the host to block the (at last count) ~460k hosts and subnets that are known spammers so your MTA doesn't even have to mess with it. Include DNS Blacklisting support with your MTA. These are the servers that have mistakenly sent out a spam and gotten caught. DNSBL will report to the client that it's being blocked and how to remove it. I'd love to hear success stories with this. Both pieces together work very well, and I am still working on seeing if any spam does come through. If spam does come through, a product like dspam or spamassassin could finish off the job. I don't have a live domain, so I can give directions if anybody's interested. Maybe one day I'll write up an article for this. I ask please - for those who are interested in trying this, to give me the success or not-so-success stories so I can fine tune it and work out the missing link. --Tim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 20:59:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5102106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:59:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from claudiu.vasadi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f164.google.com (mail-ew0-f164.google.com [209.85.219.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4558FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:59:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from claudiu.vasadi@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so3073660ewy.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:59:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=yRCkoYzueG5pmuQn8nNKyN4SwrX0hzqZ9+9vzmB15Hc=; b=HN0lkJTfKCBRDLdhG29YtIB78ZoeiW/zlWVCpOpNjsLa+TqHiJBPiYJy18NfrchgAf x5vDwoWGSre9Xm09dHT8f2B+almoPeCjUs3KK9z5aiHyV6m/31F3kQ1BVpFbcpdWRiJX SN2Y/dWbU5+stkjsJ3mwtHItpa0DJcIqnbPEg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=hqTT+CDjOVPSF5FsOy9YYcOBbGps7ET7tEUzQVg02N0Mrlnogf5pzIQM5/DASOC6+q ddK8ogd/3FtfKdWw4pBLlt45BleZ/4w3hF8uT/D17xB/gECPEcRj+nUeG8TnMc0LTwCy IUkYf009pkhbjd13c+qytLT3PAPC+4O34C2cc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.71 with SMTP id j49mr1094545wea.89.1243628943266; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:29:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4f760c6a0905291329w31d0df93he5aa004a3ab9bd87@mail.gmail.com> From: claudiu vasadi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: system reboot because of hdd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:59:42 -0000 Hello ppl. Straight to business. FreeBSD 7.1-stable 2 hdd. 1 is ad2 and the other is ad6. ad2 is the BSD hdd, and ad6 is just for data (movies, music, etc). ad2 is a 80GB Samsung P-ata133 and ad6 is a WD 250GB S-ata2. While running a process that was trying to create a 25GB file on a 30 GB partition on the second hdd (ad2) I experienced ssh outage. Everything came back to life after a short perioud of ~2 minutes. So, again I started the process. This time, the outage was about 5 minutes. I was busy with something else and did not run the process again. 2 minutes after that i get a call from a customer that some thing is not working. so I check it and surprize, the OS rebooted itself. so, went to the logs and this is what i found out (/var/log/messages): May 29 22:26:30 da1 kernel: ad6: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=419468447 May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: ad6: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (0 retries left) LBA=419468447 May 29 22:26:41 da1 kernel: ad6: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 timed out LBA=419468447 May 29 22:26:41 da1 kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1f[WRITE(offset=19447808, length=16384)]error = 5 May 29 22:26:35 da1 syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: ad6: FAILURE - device detached May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: subdisk6: detached May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: ad6: detached May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1f[WRITE(offset=36683776, length=16384)]error = 6 May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1f[WRITE(offset=16908288, length=16384)]error = 6 May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1f[WRITE(offset=36700160, length=16384)]error = 6 May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1f[WRITE(offset=114688, length=16384)]error = 6 May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: panic: vinvalbuf: dirty bufs May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: cpuid = 0 May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: Uptime: 45d22h15m29s May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: Physical memory: 1003 MB May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: Dumping 232 MB: 217 201 185 169 153 137 121 105 89 73 57 41 25 9 and (/var/log/all.log): May 29 22:54:49 da1 fsck: /dev/ad6s1f: 6 files, 12 used, 17132271 free (31 frags, 2141530 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation) exacly where the file was created. but it was 1 not 6 files that i wanted to create but 1. the process that I run is "dsmfmt" of TSM server for Sun. it creates a file volume of a specific size for use in tsm server itself for defining storage pool capacity. so, I know that the hdd was to the limit. It could be a hardware issue I know, but right now dnt have resources to try somewere else so I'm asking a oppinion. Has anyone dealt with this situation before ? OS reboot because of high hdd load ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 21:05:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D74106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:05:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterpub2@aboutsupport.com) Received: from dns.msk.asap.bg (dns.msk.asap.bg [78.90.206.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092088FC17 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterpub2@aboutsupport.com) Received: from [10.30.4.100] (unknown [78.90.167.18]) by dns.msk.asap.bg (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A76A39836 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:05:57 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4A204E2D.4090709@aboutsupport.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:05:49 +0300 From: Peter User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD 7.2 + HP DL320 G2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:05:59 -0000 Hello, I got an old HP DL320 G2 (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11512_na/11512_na.html) It has fake ide raid controller lsi megaraid. It has ibuilt limitation of 137Gb per HDD.It can NOT be turned off. So I made 2 RAID 0 arrays for each disk. However FreeBSD 7.2 sees full drives separately(skipping the raid) and installs perfectly fine.. However, the first boot fails - can not load kernel. On the same machine, Debain 5.0 installs just fine , sees full drives 2 x 320 Gb IDE and boots like charm. I prefer to have FreeBSD on the machine, but do I have choice ? Is there a solution ? Peter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 21:12:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5071B106566C; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FA58FC16; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF0E7E837; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:11:59 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:11:57 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905292311.58235.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Greylisting and new posters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:12:01 -0000 All (including David with his kick-ass postmaster hat), while off-topic, flames and other non sense covered by Freedom of Speech are an annoyance to many, I'm more bothered by some newcomers to the list that are being greylisted on first post and instantly hit the resend button. Especially since a technical solution is possible in 90% of the cases (there are a few people that don't resend, but re-edit). Is it possible to: a) Put a big-red-blink-popup-attentiongrabbing monster text into the subscription page about first posts being delayed with a link to greylisting? b) Hash the bodies of greylisted messages and reject / discard if the same body with a different msg id is being received? I'd be happy to contribute to b) if it is thought that the incoming mailer can handle the hashing and storage of this information. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 21:24:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BE5106566C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:24:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from J.McKeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from f.mail.ru.ac.za (f.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E9C8FC19 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from J.McKeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:63113) by f.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MA9Ym-000Ppf-8J for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:24:16 +0200 Received: from visit481-1.29south.ru.ac.za (visit481-1.29south.ru.ac.za [146.231.38.16]) by mail.ru.ac.za (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:24:16 +0200 Message-ID: <20090529232416.30761kw9zzhlqav4@mail.ru.ac.za> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:24:16 +0200 From: J.McKeown@ru.ac.za To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> <200905291550.45971.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529111326.17638be5@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20090529111326.17638be5@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3) / FreeBSD-6.3 X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; FreeBSD) KHTML/3.5.8 (like Gecko) X-Virus-Scanned: f.mail.ru.ac.za (127.0.0.1) Subject: Competition law (was Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:24:19 -0000 Quoting Jerry : > Look up the definition of 'socialism'. I know what socialism means. You seem not to. I haven't anywhere =20 advocated state ownership of businesses - in fact I very clearly =20 stated that I believe in a free market with only that level of =20 regulation required to keep it free from monopoly abuse. > The original suit was based on laws designed to curtail the railroad > industry, actually Rockefeller. The original judge was prejudiced and > an appeals court through out most of the suit and required a hearing on > the remain portions. The suit eventually was of minimal importance. The appeals court didn't throw out a single one of the court's =20 findings of guilt: they examined the evidence and affirmed every last =20 bit of it. Because the trial judge had spoken to the press before the =20 case was concluded about Microsoft's conduct in his court, they found =20 that his *sentence* was unsafe and asked another court to reconsider =20 it. (Oh, and incidentally Rockefeller was Standard Oil, not railroads). > Typical socialist thinking. If you cannot produce a better product, get > the government to regulate them for you. Again, I'm not a socialist. I'm not asking any government to overthrow =20 better products in favour of worse ones. I am asking courts to enforce =20 existing laws about unfair competition which suppresses potentially =20 better products. >> Even a free market requires some regulation of business practices [discussion of clearly illegal and dangerous behaviour] > > Good idea, change the context of the discussion. We are not talking > about product safety here. As far as I know, Microsoft does not produce > food products. However, I did see an article recently regarding OpenSSL > and a defect in their product. Are you saying that anyone who was > effected by the 'bug' has a right to sue the authors of that software. No, I'm not. You're putting words in my mouth. I'm trying to make the =20 point that even a completely free market will need some oversight, =20 because some companies will do anything for a short-term profit, up to =20 and including actually poisoning their customers, if they aren't =20 prevented by regulation. > Now that is a true socialist. Attack and regulate a company until you > put it out of business. Once again, I'm not a socialist. You keep using that word: I do not =20 think it means what you think it means. I'm also not suggesting =20 attacking companies, only ensuring that they obey the law as it stands. > The basic premise of your argument is that any company or entity that is > success should be regulated. I find that concept pure socialistic > bullshit. No. My basic premise is that every company should be regulated in the =20 same way, and that should include laws to prevent unfair competition. =20 Since unfair competition tends to rely on control of the market, that =20 area of the law has more impact on companies once they achieve a =20 monopoly. Those laws needn't prevent a company establishing or =20 maintaining market dominance by competing fairly and legally. Strangely enough, that is also the basic premise of competition law =20 all over the world. >> To take a couple of your other points: no, I wouldn't buy your Ferrari >> ``in a heartbeat''. [snip] >> People don't sell anything at well below its market value without =20 >> some form of ulterior motive > > I never said the product was stolen or pilfered. Those are your > assumptions. I create a product and distribute it. It is none of the > government's business what I sell it for as long as I pay the tax on it. If your business model is to sell a $300,000 car for $10, the =20 government won't need to intervene. If you manage to stay in business =20 for any length of time they may well start taking an interest - not =20 many people establish a business with the intention of giving away =20 their own money on that scale, and giving away other people's money is =20 generally illegal. >> For example, there are strict laws in most places governing the sale >> of goods at below cost (dumping)[...] > > One again, you want 'big brother' aka the government to protect you. Yes, once again I want the law enforced. Shock horror. Check US =20 anti-dumping laws, the Sherman Act, and competition law generally. You =20 can argue that the law is wrong, but don't try and pretend it isn't =20 the law. >> I'm not sure where copyright laws suddenly sprang into the equation, >> but I can assure you, as someone who works with Free software, I'm a >> firm believer in copyright laws. I don't write much code but it's >> copyright that prevents people stealing what I do write. > > Come on now. Are you saying that you do not publicly post any code > that you create for anyone to use sans payment? Or are you implying > that it is perfectly OK to steal code from any company/individual whose > profits exceed yours sans fees? Maybe I should get some government > intervention here to see what you are hiding? Er, what? I don't see how on earth you got from ``I'm a firm believer =20 in copyright laws'' to ``it is perfectly OK to steal code''. In fact, =20 I'm struggling to make much sense of this paragraph at all. I believe =20 in the right of the author to dictate the way in which his work is =20 used - that's what copyright means. > There are many truisms in business. Two of my favorite ones are: > > 1) No legitimate business ever benefited from government intervention. I can't be bothered to look for counter-examples but I doubt this. > 2) You can always tell a socialist; you just cannot tell him much. This isn't a truism - it's a cheap shot at whatever you mean by a =20 ``socialist'' (from what you've said above, a socialist appears to =20 mean someone who believes in the rule of law, since all I've done is =20 argue in defence of existing laws, while you seem to be saying - =20 insofar as you're making any sense at all - that once a business =20 reaches a certain level of success, the law should stop applying to it). Oh, and finally: > The same basic idea was tried in the US with 'affirmative action' > that entitled the lazy, stupid, etc. the same rights and privileges > as those who worked their ass off. Affirmative action is about attempting to redress the wrong done to =20 people who were historically discriminated against because of their =20 race. Whether or not you believe that affirmative action is the right =20 way to go about it, suggesting that black people are all lazy and =20 stupid and that they should not have the same rights as others is =20 remarkably offensive, especially when you're talking to someone in =20 South Africa. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 22:38:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EEB106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 22:38:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nrml@att.net) Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DB9E8FC17 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 22:38:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nrml@att.net) Received: (qmail 5155 invoked from network); 29 May 2009 22:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Inbox) (nrml@68.29.149.243 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 22:12:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WjV5bd8VM1kleLzt8REAFZEbalHTfkPTvpiKz0EprlFlkeZy7PzWbj1lb.76L5AhXn1LGyG.jiy9ndDFfLTeSIxjTxJ4hJvti7f66qPfSHAObAzKoeJEBGJJB5ugjPMom5r2vlXDh.rSWteKqBJW4Qker_KYbD2p86wQIZMdj7i8vpc4Jn0GY2789z79s1McJNAcLOPFmAf4YH7bjBiwXhXLfCFChlP_WjHQ92IiFFWKN6bXRn18zMjm4EbRaLP5wMFi37_QTzIk8d54fi7sIlownegB2EZueiH60pwxWYwuHSEPO2TS X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 content-class: From: gabe Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:12:18 -0700 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 To: Chad Perrin , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20090529223845.5DB9E8FC17@mx1.freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: RE: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:38:45 -0000 This is stupid, I'm unsubscribing. jeez -----Original Message----- From: Chad Perrin Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:41 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:13:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >software that runs on multiple OSes (and not *just* FreeBSD) to run an > >extra system, running some other OS. >=20 > no. i expect them to ask THAT program support. >=20 > In really rare cases when they got an answer like > "You did all fine, i have the same configured program in my=20 > linux/openbsd/netbsd/solaris/whatever OS and it works fine" So . . . basically, it's okay for someone to ask about X if that person also runs Linux, but not if that person doesn't. That's the logical consequence of your argument thus far. How well have you actually thought this through? >=20 > They it's place to ask because certainly there's something wrong with the= =20 > port. I don't recall that being an obvious and necessary condition of the example -- and that didn't seem to matter when you suggested that it might be on-topic if the querent also happens to have a Linux-based system handy. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth FreeBSD Secure Programming Guidelines: "In fact, never ever use gets() or sprintf(), period. If you do - we will send evil dwarfs after you." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 23:04:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672761065673 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3485A8FC0C for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from Mobile2.sentex.ca (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id n4TN4eCR002122; Fri, 29 May 2009 19:04:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) From: mike@sentex.net To: Pieter Donche Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 64.7.153.18 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upcupsd / freebsdd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:04:43 -0000 > >The Overview page in the webinterface shows there is power in the >UPS form over 2 hours. How can I force a faster automatic freebsd >shutdown to see if it is working (can't wait 2 hours) Try setting the battery level in apcupsd.conf to a high value like 90% # If during a power failure, the remaining battery percentage # (as reported by the UPS) is below or equal to BATTERYLEVEL,=20 # apcupsd will initiate a system shutdown. BATTERYLEVEL 90 # You need to restart the apc daemon after you adjust the config files. Doing=20 apcaccess from the shell, should reflect your changes. > > >but do these refer to shutdown of a unix client or shutdown of the UPS=20 >itself? On the apc units I have used, it will send the "shutdown" signal to the UPS, so it will cut power to all the ports until street power comes back. ---Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 23:37:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB731106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kent@khauser.net) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2D08FC0A for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kent@khauser.net) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2516776rvb.43 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:37:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.141.16 with SMTP id o16mr1712074rvd.70.1243640241277; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:37:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905272235r55767c34rb0f5b6f7df7139a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <238275A7-7886-4532-A46C-ACB535DF16F7@khauser.net> <4ad871310905272235r55767c34rb0f5b6f7df7139a6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:37:21 -1000 Message-ID: <6004effe0905291637q1499001ah4a27c300b8390945@mail.gmail.com> From: Kent Hauser To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, admin@cpcnw.co.uk Subject: Re: 7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:37:21 -0000 Sorry I was less than clear. I've been running XP + FreeBSD dual boot forever. After installing 7.2 (rebuilding from source), the XP partition wouldn't boot. When I selected "F1" at the boot menu, the system just hung. I booted from an old 6.2 install disk I had around & selected "Custom/Partition" & used the hidden "W" command to write the partition information & boot manager. I could then dual-boot XP / FreeBSD 7.2. For fun, I tried "Custom/Partiion/Write" from the 7.2 DVD & it hung just like the rebuild from source. Fixed again with 6.2 disk. My conclusion is that 7.2 (or 7.1 -- I moved from 7.0) broke dual boot. Any other thoughts? Kent On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > Hi, Kent > > You're going to need to provide a bit more detail on the problem. > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:14 PM, KENT HAUSER wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is there any resolution to this? I had the same problem upgrading from > 7.0 > > -> 7.2. I've been running FreeBSD dual-boot for over 10 years w/o this > > problem in the past. > > > > I re-ran my fdisk script from an old 6.x boot disk & recovered the XP > > partitions, but can't boot 7.2. Re-installing 7.2 kills XP. > > > > XP doesn't show up in the bootloader? > > If you're running 7.X, why are you using a 6.X boot disk? That may be > part of the problem. > > > My system disk has 3 partitions: ad0s2 is first (XP recovery). Next is > ad0s1 > > (XP) followed by FreeBSD. > > > > Do you see the FreeBSD booloader or Windows bootloader? > > Not that this fixes the problem, but have you tried installing GRUB? > > I personally have been dual-booting for the past year+, and haven't > seen what you're describing (unless I overwrote my ${OTHER_OS} > installation) -- are you sure the Windows install still exists? > > -- > Glen Barber > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 23:55:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F46106566B for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:55:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scs@EECS.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.60.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916A98FC19 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:55:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scs@EECS.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (adsl-75-18-223-100.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [75.18.223.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.14.3/8.13.5) with ESMTP id n4TNtTw6022492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 16:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Steven Schlansker To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200905292244.37398.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:55:24 -0700 References: <89C182FE-81B9-474E-84EA-FBB6F68C4E75@eecs.berkeley.edu> <200905292001.02072.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200905292244.37398.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: pfsync in GENERIC? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:55:32 -0000 On May 29, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Friday 29 May 2009 20:38:54 Steven Schlansker wrote: > >> And not to be argumentative, but sys/conf/NOTES does not really >> provide any information. The only comment explains what the device >> does, not why it wouldn't be enabled in GENERIC. Is there any reason >> it could not be? (For those of us who want to use freebsd-update, >> for >> example) > > Choice of the project. You'd have to ask on -current, -pf or - > hackers for a > more authoritative answer, but my guess would be that 80% of the > people using > this feature in production have a highly optimized kernel and > wouldn't be > using GENERIC to begin with. Hm. I was actually under the impression that you wouldn't gain much by compiling your own kernel (except for maybe some disk space). Is that not the case? Is there a strong reason to compile your own kernel for "production" machines? The discussion online is not conclusive (then again I'll probably just get contradictory opinions again here!) I'm just thinking that since pf is included in the base distribution, there's enough people that use it that it's worth including. It seems that pfsync would be a negligible addon, and much more attractive due to the lack of support for building it as a module. Anyway, if I have further questions about pfsync in particular I guess I'll go ask -pf. I may have some free time coming up; maybe I'll even try my hand at hacking on the kernel and see if I can't make it build as a module... (would that be a semi-reasonable project for someone with light familiarity with kernel coding? I've coded up Linux kernel modules before, but haven't worked in-tree on a "real" OS) Best, Steven From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 00:03:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D05106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:03:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF638FC1A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:03:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MAC2O-0004OL-0g for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:03:00 +0000 Received: from pool-71-166-134-125.washdc.east.verizon.net ([71.166.134.125]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:03:00 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-71-166-134-125.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:03:00 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:04:23 -0400 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <238275A7-7886-4532-A46C-ACB535DF16F7@khauser.net> <4ad871310905272235r55767c34rb0f5b6f7df7139a6@mail.gmail.com> <6004effe0905291637q1499001ah4a27c300b8390945@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-166-134-125.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: 7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:03:02 -0000 Kent Hauser wrote: > Sorry I was less than clear. > > I've been running XP + FreeBSD dual boot forever. After installing 7.2 > (rebuilding from source), the XP partition wouldn't boot. When I selected > "F1" at the boot menu, the system just hung. > > I booted from an old 6.2 install disk I had around & selected > "Custom/Partition" & used the hidden "W" command to write the partition > information & boot manager. I could then dual-boot XP / FreeBSD 7.2. > > For fun, I tried "Custom/Partiion/Write" from the 7.2 DVD & it hung just > like the rebuild from source. Fixed again with 6.2 disk. > > My conclusion is that 7.2 (or 7.1 -- I moved from 7.0) broke dual boot. > > Any other thoughts? > Probably code has changed in the boot loader. You may consider searching the PR bug reports for related boot troubles, and if you locate something which is either close or matches your situation add your experience to the PR. Sometimes these turn out to be edge cases with which the devs have not seen/experienced themselves so they need to hear it from users who do. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 00:11:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F31106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:11:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76008FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE363D056; Sat, 30 May 2009 02:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4U0B7dB002657; Sat, 30 May 2009 02:11:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 02:11:07 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Steven Schlansker Message-Id: <20090530021107.d0ecbff4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <89C182FE-81B9-474E-84EA-FBB6F68C4E75@eecs.berkeley.edu> <200905292001.02072.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200905292244.37398.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pfsync in GENERIC? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:11:15 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:55:24 -0700, Steven Schlansker wrote: > Hm. I was actually under the impression that you wouldn't gain much > by compiling your own kernel (except for maybe some disk space). No. Compiling one's own kernel allows for some definitions, e. g. having only the support in the kernel for the hardware that is actually existing in the specific settings. Furthermore, in some cases variables need to be set at kernel compile time. For example, in FreeBSD 5 the only way to get IPFW was to compile it into the kernel. Today, there's a module for this. As you mentioned correctly, speed considerations may also lead you to the requirement of compiling the kernel. Speaking for myself, I like to have a custom kernel on my own machine (which is somewhat special, so it deserves it), but on customers' systems, going with "as most untouched as possible" is often the way I choose. This allows me to safely use tools like freebsd-update. > Is there a strong reason to compile your own > kernel for "production" machines? In most cases, production machines do not require compiling a kernel. But it depends on the setting - if you essentially need something that cannot be done via kernel tunables or loadable modules. > The discussion online is not > conclusive (then again I'll probably just get contradictory opinions > again here!) Of course. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 00:27:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56601065687 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5338FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MACQG-0005G0-Pw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:27:40 +0000 Received: from pool-71-166-134-125.washdc.east.verizon.net ([71.166.134.125]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:27:40 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-71-166-134-125.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:27:40 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:29:07 -0400 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <89C182FE-81B9-474E-84EA-FBB6F68C4E75@eecs.berkeley.edu> <200905292001.02072.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200905292244.37398.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-166-134-125.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: pfsync in GENERIC? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:27:45 -0000 Steven Schlansker wrote: [snip] > > Hm. I was actually under the impression that you wouldn't gain much > by compiling your own kernel (except for maybe some disk space). Is > that not the case? Is there a strong reason to compile your own > kernel for "production" machines? The discussion online is not > conclusive (then again I'll probably just get contradictory opinions > again here!) A custom kernel can free up a little RAM, and maybe boot a little sooner, but it won't produce any earth shattering differences. I think most do it to 'shrink' down and eliminate anything which is not required for a particular piece of hardware. It decreases the possibility of something unneeded causing a problem, and enhances problem resolution by making the list of potential culprits smaller. > I'm just thinking that since pf is included in the base distribution, > there's enough people that use it that it's worth including. It seems > that pfsync would be a negligible addon, and much more attractive due > to the lack of support for building it as a module. IIRC, quite a while back IPFW was the default firewall and was included in GENERIC by default. With the advent of IPFILTER and PF we now have 3 to choose from. Since theoretically(?) each should be usable as modules and user freedom/choice are paramount, I believe it was decided to remove any default firewall from the GENERIC kernel to enable a user to simply load the module of their choice without needing to do a kernel re-compile first. In other words, flexibility. > Anyway, if I have further questions about pfsync in particular I guess > I'll go ask -pf. I may have some free time coming up; maybe I'll even > try my hand at hacking on the kernel and see if I can't make it build > as a module... (would that be a semi-reasonable project for someone > with light familiarity with kernel coding? I've coded up Linux kernel > modules before, but haven't worked in-tree on a "real" OS) > I believe the module situation may be a known entity. Consult the PR bug reports for more details. At some point a dev may take care of the situation and it will just show up in some future release. Should you desire to "hack" into it yourself and succeed the devs will welcome the patch/diffs for perusal and testing provided you go about it the right way. Advancing the state of FreeBSD is always a plus, and I as a user salute all those who strive and work towards making FreeBSD a better OS. ...my measly little $.02 -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 01:14:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441E1106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 01:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5538FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 01:14:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4U1EW9W010052 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:14:32 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n4U1EWNW010051; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:14:32 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id 0F1B8BEC9; Fri, 29 May 2009 21:11:16 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <26face530905291103h127c7b6bhe334a231e9008ac7@mail.gmail.com> (message from Kelly Jones on Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:16 -0700) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Oasis. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20090530011116.0F1B8BEC9@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:11:16 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: Customize .vacation.msg to include subject, sender, etc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 01:14:34 -0000 >> On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:16 -0700, >> Kelly Jones said: K> The to address might be "abc@foo.com" for one message, "xyz@foo.com" for K> another message, etc. In other words, a true autoresponder. If you use procmail, there's a dandy recipe in the examples man page ("man procmailex") which does exactly what you want. Source: http://www.procmail.org/ Tips: http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~ts/info/proctips.html -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Piece of crap printer Soars like a sparrow as I Heave it off the bridge. --geek haiku From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 03:01:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC3F1065670 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B438FC0A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-74-54.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.74.54]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4U31lGw046425; Sat, 30 May 2009 05:01:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4A20A187.20503@bah.homeip.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 05:01:27 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.8 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 03:01:55 -0000 Wojciech Puchar said the following on 2009-05-28 23:06: > Poland is now slowly losing independence Poland has never had any independence. Your argument is moot. http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polsk_riksdag http://www.popularhistoria.se/o.o.i.s?id=43&vid=344 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 03:13:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65F9106564A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scs@eecs.berkeley.edu) Received: from gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.60.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD1C8FC08 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scs@eecs.berkeley.edu) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (adsl-75-18-223-100.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [75.18.223.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.14.3/8.13.5) with ESMTP id n4U3DW3U024044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 20:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9DCE53EA-E680-48C3-BF7F-A5AAC656EB6D@eecs.berkeley.edu> From: Steven Schlansker To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:13:27 -0700 References: <89C182FE-81B9-474E-84EA-FBB6F68C4E75@eecs.berkeley.edu> <200905292001.02072.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200905292244.37398.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: pfsync in GENERIC? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 03:13:35 -0000 On May 29, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Powell wrote: > Steven Schlansker wrote: > > [snip] > > A custom kernel can free up a little RAM, and maybe boot a little > sooner, > but it won't produce any earth shattering differences. I think most > do it to > 'shrink' down and eliminate anything which is not required for a > particular > piece of hardware. It decreases the possibility of something unneeded > causing a problem, and enhances problem resolution by making the > list of > potential culprits smaller. Yeah, that's basically how I felt as well. However as to the "something unneeded causing a problem" I must say I've never had a GENERIC kernel fail due to some unneeded device driver, but I've definitely had a custom built kernel fail because of some tunable or driver I misconfigured! > > > >> I'm just thinking that since pf is included in the base distribution, >> there's enough people that use it that it's worth including. It >> seems >> that pfsync would be a negligible addon, and much more attractive due >> to the lack of support for building it as a module. > > IIRC, quite a while back IPFW was the default firewall and was > included in > GENERIC by default. With the advent of IPFILTER and PF we now have 3 > to > choose from. Since theoretically(?) each should be usable as modules > and > user freedom/choice are paramount, I believe it was decided to > remove any > default firewall from the GENERIC kernel to enable a user to simply > load the > module of their choice without needing to do a kernel re-compile > first. In > other words, flexibility. That makes perfect sense and answers my question. I hadn't realized that there were alternatives to pf and that people still actively used them. > > >> Anyway, if I have further questions about pfsync in particular I >> guess >> I'll go ask -pf. I may have some free time coming up; maybe I'll >> even >> try my hand at hacking on the kernel and see if I can't make it build >> as a module... (would that be a semi-reasonable project for someone >> with light familiarity with kernel coding? I've coded up Linux >> kernel >> modules before, but haven't worked in-tree on a "real" OS) >> > > I believe the module situation may be a known entity. Consult the PR > bug > reports for more details. At some point a dev may take care of the > situation > and it will just show up in some future release. There is no PR apparently; I shall file one. > > > Should you desire to "hack" into it yourself and succeed the devs will > welcome the patch/diffs for perusal and testing provided you go > about it the > right way. Advancing the state of FreeBSD is always a plus, and I as > a user > salute all those who strive and work towards making FreeBSD a better > OS. I like to try to be one of the more useful retards on the internet ;) I'm hopeful that getting it to work at least for the unicast setup shouldn't be too hard; granted I haven't perused the code yet... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 03:14:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF174106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481E18FC2D for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:14:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-74-54.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.74.54]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4U3E0EO046610 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 05:14:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4A20A464.4080804@bah.homeip.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 05:13:40 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.8 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528180334.935932be.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528164310.70f30aae@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20090528164310.70f30aae@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 03:14:03 -0000 Jerry said the following on 2009-05-28 22:43: > Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want. No. The company CREATES a "need" for their product. That's the number one rule. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 03:34:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B29C106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:34:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9B18FC13 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-74-54.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.74.54]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4U3YS1J046929 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 05:34:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4A20A930.3080601@bah.homeip.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 05:34:08 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.8 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 03:34:30 -0000 Jerry said the following on 2009-05-29 12:48: > On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200 > > The concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple. You don't know the meaning of the word "socialism" > It attempts to > create an artificial playing field that allows the incompetent to > compete with the motivated. So does any other -ism > It forces those who create new technology to share it Of course not. if you create something and don't wont to share then don't > A free, open market is the way to encourage development and > new ideas and technology. There is no such thing as a "free" market From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 04:08:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEF5106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942D18FC1B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5135E2B4; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:08:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.681, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20JmleNEmEIe; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:08:01 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B2F5E2B6; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:08:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A20B120.4000605@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 06:08:00 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090407) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4ad871310905291223s1b011ea4l3b01870188dd3db8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905291223s1b011ea4l3b01870188dd3db8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 04:08:07 -0000 Glen Barber skrev: > Leslie, > > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Leslie Jensen wrote: >>> of course turn off hald, and run moused. >>> >> Unfortunately that did not fix the problem :-( >> What do I test next? > > Could you paste the output of: > > cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg; make missing > There's no output! This is really a mystery for me! The machine was upgraded several times with freebsd-update. Unfortunately the last update to 7.2 gave me some problems so I decided to make a fresh install. I'm using the same settings as before I reinstalled where I had no problem with X and I used hal before. /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 04:40:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE817106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:40:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@vjs.org) Received: from mail.vjs.org (static-71-126-154-132.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.126.154.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC518FC1E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:40:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@vjs.org) Received: from [10.190.83.17] (71.126.154.142) by mail.vjs.org with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.1.5) for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 23:40:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Eudora 10.0b19 for Cray SV-2 (beta release), unregistered Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:40:52 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Vince Sabio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: MIME attachments in mbox files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 04:40:56 -0000 I have a need (well, I have lots of needs, but I'll try to stay focused here) to be able to take a Windows zip file that is stored as a MIME attachment to an e-mail message in an Mbox-format spool file, and unzip the attachment. I actually need to script the process. In case it helps, I can dedicate a mailbox to the task. If necessary, I can write my own parser to strip out the attachment, in which case I'd need only a widget that can take in a MIME (base64) encoded zip file, convert it to binary, and unzip it. Anyone know of any FreeBSD utility(ies) that do(es) this? __________________________________________________________________________ Vince Sabio vince@vjs.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 06:28:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EDD106564A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:28:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5097E8FC19 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 06:28:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE81EB4C56; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:28:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E154450C6; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:28:18 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8J8c-bDC0ODS; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:28:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl23-160.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.150.160]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0E34509B; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:28:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4U6SHGG043323; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:28:17 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4U6SH22043322; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:28:17 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87my8w6shm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87octcuklu.fsf@kobe.laptop> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:28:16 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Fri, 29 May 2009 15:14:20 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87ws7zgl4v.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 06:28:20 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:14:20 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Not necessarily. >> >> There were 'rules' in Nazi Germany too, and there usually exist at >> least some 'rules' in oppressive regimes, but they do not >> necessarily, by virtue of their mere existence, lead to satisfying >> results. > > The difference is that you have choice here, people living in Nazi > Germany (and Poland) that times didn't. First of all, this is not a personal comment, directed at you, but a comment on the idea of 'strict moderation'. Another thing that is worth stating is that invoking Godwin's law means I instantly lose any argument; I know that already. More importantly, I do not mean to sound disrespectful to you or other Polish people. Especially since my own family has lost people in WWII. But the choice you have in a strictly moderated mailing list is about the same as the choice my people had in that particular oppressive regime: leave or stay to fight a hopeless battle. That's what bothers me with strict moderation. It hinders the freedom of expression of people, forcing them to go through unreasonable hoops whenever their personality is slightly different from the 'permitted' forms of straight-jacket. >>> already told you i will >> >> Thank you! I'll be watching for interesting updates :) > > OK no later than tomorrow morning There are 53 archive files for freebsd-questions in 2008. Their average size is 1,863,288 bytes. This means around 8,229,522 of email for each month of 2008 alone. This is a lot of text to go through, even in a semi-automated manner. So please, take your time. I'm not some sort of Dilbertian manager who wants you ``to do the impossible and do it a week ago, because we sold it already to someone''. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 08:16:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32281065670 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405478FC24 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6667618bwz.43 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 01:16:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bccvztl2UGJTlvfph+9WO0l7+/jEKbcLWQBomuRrXBs=; b=kmb5AKjfug0JGrzE7nUEoWp0sQJymPs7pm6ppOmHqHp6AysgRlrCL5j+jN/yaoiTUC zwoK0cRuYr5/BWRqfghj1PIpsyA6fMAa2AKQBY1e1egEz7zawqsVlSPYESKgUmHTiO1M zZKaHPqGCIT5yj5HVoSJzfBXXZFrkPbxyOqN8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RDEFtPWjcUK8WgMDovRmOIhyzzYVKkam+hkGz4eQVWaKxXL03UreKjghCIrrBpNguj WUimt/QhaBGuLfGsbU5kgO493Bw1mJDhqOWetPa6ZUZQj9qXhSiygzlJz0BzTzZOtFJK 7a/sA9NmB1oRVzT0qQ76EcMmmg6yCyRqJcePE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.123.136 with SMTP id p8mr3297707bkr.21.1243671410131; Sat, 30 May 2009 01:16:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:16:30 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Johan Hendriks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:16:52 -0000 2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar : >>> itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs >>> >> >> I don't think PHP itself is buggy, in fact I think badly written C >> programs are responsible for far more lossage. > > It all depends who write programs. > Yes... but that has nothing to do with PHP. PHP, Python, Perl (especially), C, Ruby, there are all stupid buggy programs written in these. Why pick on PHP? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 08:20:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4A9106567F for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E098FC14 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.locolomo.org (beta.locolomo.org [172.16.0.32]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF11A1C0847; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:20:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A20EC36.6080003@locolomo.org> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:20:06 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel Flynn References: <200905292311.58235.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: <200905292311.58235.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting and new posters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:20:14 -0000 Mel Flynn wrote: > Is it possible to: > a) Put a big-red-blink-popup-attentiongrabbing monster text into the > subscription page about first posts being delayed with a link to greylisting? > b) Hash the bodies of greylisted messages and reject / discard if the same > body with a different msg id is being received? > > I'd be happy to contribute to b) if it is thought that the incoming mailer can > handle the hashing and storage of this information. Hi, ok sorry about that mail yesterday :) I've been off the list for some time. It would be great if the confirmation mail and the subscription page would include the message: "After confirming/activating your subscription your first mail may be delayed X minutes due to grey listing" Also, it would be great to have a descriptive error message, rather than this: 450 4.7.1 : Recipient address rejected: Service is unavailable (in reply to RCPT TO command)) This text message indicates an error in the recipients end, while the 450 status indicates it's temporary. IIRC the postgrey port will provide a message along the lines "sender postgreyed X seconds, see website for more information." Your option b) won't work: you propose to reply with a 2XX (OK) or 5XX (rejected, don't try again) if subscriber sends the message again. Problem is that the server after receiving the 450 error will retry after some time and this may be before the sender is white listed. So if you implement the solution you propose you risk that the original message is either discarded or rejected. So, you need to come up with an idea of how to distinguish between the server resending the same message and the subscriber resending the same message. If anything, I believe it's most likely that the subscriber will not send the exact same message, missing some blanks or double signature line etc... Now, you could take an active approach, when a subscriber's first message is grey listed, send an automatic reply that the message is grey listed for X seconds. But, then you have the problem that these auto replies will also be sent to innocent people who are being impersonated by some spammer, or to non-existing mail addresses which will generate loads of error messages. Question: Did grey listing actually reduce the amount of spam on the list? I eventually dumped it as it caused more problems than it solved. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 08:21:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902EC1065674 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:21:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12ABF8FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6668815bwz.43 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 01:21:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SyCCEafEumVC1p8wAF/HWG54bzOoYHHEreqkukJgEbw=; b=QJeg/rhTHRr3AEHIrBGEmG0FHUT97tXF8TWBvEkoF6TatOuWRdw/jrz0U25es4uZqd OV0GTPErio1gLLgzrQTX32SdH0Qo9l2xGhF1TNQMlFIbyKlU4drrhr8akRw67f3FEgJ7 /NM7g/a/p+aQaEekehkyCBccmhdRHZVgFHrXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FyuzZ6vpe4u3Xt+FA6VVL31u20/mD3BG8YECQ7/oXN48P7hp3kpwFIZrILJXQ1L0gZ JBZVW9sH39WuUWVs32RmbYDBfopL9wLcC5oZThBb+6coN5CM0DdMdGcTzZTVb5ddQQZ3 tNqnY21aH0TkV7nvoWiLqrkqDRHxuDUKJDXLY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.5 with SMTP id f5mr3223157bkg.203.1243671667054; Sat, 30 May 2009 01:21:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9cf7.UEl7lAiK4FGe5eG7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:20:44 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:21:09 -0000 2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar : >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >>> Even 15 seconds of thinking is enough to understand that logging >>> to other user and then su - gives completely no extra security. >> >> I don't buy this, given that root's login name is well known :) > > if someone can intercept the passwords you type, then he/she will intercept > both user password you log in and then su password you type. > > He/she actually can gain more if you use su, as you may use the same user > password somewhere else. But we're talking about vulnerability to dictionary and brute-force attacks. You'd have to first: Ascertain a username in the wheel group. Brute-force that password. THEN, you need to brute-force root's password. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 08:24:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BD21065695 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:24:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optimis.net) Received: from mail.optimis.net (mail.optimis.net [69.104.191.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905F28FC13 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:24:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@optimis.net) Received: from marvin.optimis.net (marvin.optimis.net [192.168.1.3]) by mail.optimis.net (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4U7udr4021342 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@optimis.net) Received: from marvin.optimis.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marvin.optimis.net (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4U7udgV072257 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@optimis.net) Received: (from george@localhost) by marvin.optimis.net (8.14.3/8.14.2/Submit) id n4U7udSw072256 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@optimis.net) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:56:39 -0700 From: George Davidovich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090530075639.GA71434@marvin.optimis.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: MIME attachments in mbox files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:24:39 -0000 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:40:52PM -0400, Vince Sabio wrote: > I have a need (well, I have lots of needs, but I'll try to stay > focused here) Given the nature of most messages in the last few days, I'd suggest you're trying too hard. ;-) > to be able to take a Windows zip file that is stored as a MIME > attachment to an e-mail message in an Mbox-format spool file, and > unzip the attachment. I actually need to script the process. In case > it helps, I can dedicate a mailbox to the task. > > Anyone know of any FreeBSD utility(ies) that do(es) this? Generally, when you're talking about processing an mbox and doing something with message bodies, you're looking at formail plus procmail in combination with a tool that can interpret the mime structure and process the components (mimedefang, demine, stripmime, mimedecode, reformime, renattach, etc.). That's a roundabout way of saying, no, there are no FreeBSD utilities to do what you want, but there's lots to be found in ports. I'd start with a quick read through of some of those manpages, but at first glance, ripmime alone might do the trick: > If necessary, I can write my own parser to strip out the attachment, > in which case I'd need only a widget that can take in a MIME (base64) > encoded zip file, convert it to binary, and unzip it. In that case, and assuming you're using Perl, MIME::base64 and IO::Uncompress::Unzip (or /usr/ports/archivers/unzip) is what you want. Bonus points for writing a one-liner. -- George From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 09:12:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C143F1065672 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349EB8FC22 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6683012bwz.43 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 02:12:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oBcFEqdYAnXTBYOqNKeWrEBfkIPb9Ynu0+axhblMr68=; b=CbvgULx56WWtb8C1pcDfSVhYNdZbn6aI68PMgRL3Cigi2n7XzifiOUfb6VtMJ2/jx9 Oi49UXlNxrJV1KsEnBBFsOZp6/fbFpXpWA6mLojZHrajyAIo/aCQzjIb5TIxcYsLWzVQ rhXe/aj8/GYWu70WeSWR1v7wk/dTNjV/3u0yc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LmHrsnR5NRw33iyLJVSiOVQta8Zzfkm4BBmbpkpPuvrYBb0mBSN1D2OPqA5UGluJRP JhAtQ+F7wEW392vjoYao8hfZ3BZpfdU7TS+cEUEpq/7I/DXdgjCYJkJ8LcyxftG8kvRM 7yvQWjBINzNqF5yASpQQJ15OGCMIpU3U3lzlc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.203 with SMTP id s11mr3302162bkq.153.1243674741124; Sat, 30 May 2009 02:12:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4f760c6a0905291329w31d0df93he5aa004a3ab9bd87@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f760c6a0905291329w31d0df93he5aa004a3ab9bd87@mail.gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:12:01 +0100 Message-ID: To: claudiu vasadi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: system reboot because of hdd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:12:23 -0000 2009/5/29 claudiu vasadi : > Hello ppl. > > > Straight to business. > > FreeBSD 7.1-stable > > 2 hdd. 1 is ad2 and the other is ad6. ad2 is the BSD hdd, and ad6 is just > for data (movies, music, etc). ad2 is a 80GB Samsung P-ata133 and ad6 is a > WD 250GB S-ata2. > > While running a process that was trying to create a 25GB file on a 30 GB > partition on the second hdd (ad2) I experienced ssh outage. Everything came > back to life after a short perioud of ~2 minutes. So, again I started the > process. This time, the outage was about 5 minutes. I was busy with > something else and did not run the process again. 2 minutes after that i get > a call from a customer that some thing is not working. so I check it and > surprize, the OS rebooted itself. > > so, went to the logs and this is what i found out (/var/log/messages): > > May 29 22:26:30 da1 kernel: ad6: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (1 retry > left) LBA=419468447 > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: ad6: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA48 retrying (0 retries > left) LBA=419468447 > May 29 22:26:41 da1 kernel: ad6: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA48 timed out > LBA=419468447 > May 29 22:26:41 da1 kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1f[WRITE(offset=19447808, > length=16384)]error = 5 > May 29 22:26:35 da1 syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: ad6: FAILURE - device detached > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: subdisk6: detached > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: ad6: detached > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1f[WRITE(offset=36683776, > length=16384)]error = 6 > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1f[WRITE(offset=16908288, > length=16384)]error = 6 > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1f[WRITE(offset=36700160, > length=16384)]error = 6 > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: g_vfs_done():ad6s1f[WRITE(offset=114688, > length=16384)]error = 6 > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: panic: vinvalbuf: dirty bufs > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: cpuid = 0 > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: Uptime: 45d22h15m29s > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: Physical memory: 1003 MB > May 29 22:26:35 da1 kernel: Dumping 232 MB: 217 201 185 169 153 137 121 105 > 89 73 57 41 25 9 > > > > > and (/var/log/all.log): > > > May 29 22:54:49 da1 fsck: /dev/ad6s1f: 6 files, 12 used, 17132271 free (31 > frags, 2141530 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation) > > > exacly where the file was created. but it was 1 not 6 files that i wanted to > create but 1. > > > > > the process that I run is "dsmfmt" of TSM server for Sun. it creates a file > volume of a specific size for use in tsm server itself for defining storage > pool capacity. > > so, I know that the hdd was to the limit. It could be a hardware issue I > know, but right now dnt have resources to try somewere else so I'm asking a > oppinion. Has anyone dealt with this situation before ? OS reboot because of > high hdd load ? How much RAM have you got? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 09:26:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76B0106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:26:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC888FC21 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:26:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AB6B8031 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:25:13 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1243675513; bh=rcbQekuq8SLSuQvS7FW9AtCMCUazPtmbzDmFATmy+BI=; h=Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H2hB4JJjhaNblJcccMKMjhZKgfDxVIlxqfPjjwcjWhOzWEfDSg3irqniStm8rOFo5 7w+UUxzjnajtMi0mARjYtBd1X5RvU7AQ36Ohzaa8Nrhv77f2ltKRPjLhXQm8pZKt+s Mr5WRH3rTuOs7nofuuZq0h+Eoh+ixrd7DU59gLd4= Received: from relay.lc-words.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.lc-words.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91295-06 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:25:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD24BB8029 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:25:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 77.254.184.81 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:25:12 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:25:12 +0200 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:26:20 -0000 Hello, Can you please give me a hint how to use find to search for a specific text within files? I am using find in the following manner: find /path/to/files/ -mtime -2 -ls |less to find files which have been recently modified. But I would like to extend the search to find specific expression within files. -name is used to specify file name. How can I search for strings within text? It is probably in the man but I somehow overlook it. :( Thank you very much in advance! -- Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 09:30:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0EE106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from claudiu.vasadi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DE18FC1F for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from claudiu.vasadi@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so3301910ewy.43 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 02:30:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uulxIap7K7z2WPROyXjfJrmRkEFy+U0zMLGqJ0rj5HM=; b=GfSJRXvPZxEy/lv82mC1zL54ZKQJiFd+0+1xvKT50vmmwADIvY1mlhWs0HcpTk3xGB 6Z/LJU5fIdbBl1L5fYlz/jNszYYK72DpDNxpoirp2e7Drk8IVNSQ+hFMJGiH/NUDtQVy 8n4zfK4gGHdOthfQf9rySnFNS2x+Jar0hzIFs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=kmV0ua6kiTvy/0GgDuTghrWRkzvRu4MMkCHIWqTsW5g/g+9+a8B9EnGvdovN8oiQxw mp6fNfkB5od4bUDADXKrAengIS2bHP6FaPXUp2nn1yvA7ULoZd/XG23kl3vstH+SlGiF 1L7o3EM4G2+vEXfJwAgZuOCW+iZYCFPjnE+1g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.71 with SMTP id j49mr1260656wea.89.1243675809266; Sat, 30 May 2009 02:30:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4f760c6a0905291329w31d0df93he5aa004a3ab9bd87@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:30:09 +0200 Message-ID: <4f760c6a0905300230n518b519em9d06690a483ab141@mail.gmail.com> From: claudiu vasadi To: utisoft@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: system reboot because of hdd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:30:14 -0000 ups, sorry. I forgot. I have 1GB ram, 1x module of DDR1 400 MHz (pc3200) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 10:14:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637FF106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:14:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CB68FC18 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:14:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.172.176]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 30 May 2009 03:13:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4A2106E9.5040708@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:14:01 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2009 10:13:57.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[581E9C90:01C9E10F] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Subject: Software creating karaoke from mp3 files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:14:04 -0000 Been unable to purchase karaoke of rock and roll greats like "AC/DC, THE ROLLING STONES, THE DOORS, LED ZEPPELIN". Looking for advice on software that will allow me to edit out the singing voice tracks from a mp3 file and write the resulting music as a avi file so I can have the song words show on tv. If any one has done this type of thing, sure would like to hear about how they did it. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 10:14:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17EC106564A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF718FC15 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:61283 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MALZD-0001yV-90 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:13:33 +0200 Received: (qmail 63721 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 12:13:28 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 30 May 2009 12:13:28 +0200 Received: (qmail 60067 invoked by uid 1001); 30 May 2009 12:13:28 +0200 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:13:28 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Zbigniew Szalbot Message-ID: <20090530101328.GA59991@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1MALZD-0001yV-90. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1MALZD-0001yV-90 f47837100d2d787ec3b0d1ab5ad77d37 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:14:06 -0000 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:25:12AM +0200, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Hello, > > Can you please give me a hint how to use find to search for a specific > text within files? Generally, you don't - find(1) does not examine the contents of files by itself, just their directory information. You normally use grep(1) to search within a file. > > I am using find in the following manner: > > find /path/to/files/ -mtime -2 -ls |less > to find files which have been recently modified. But I would like to > extend the search to find specific expression within files. -name is used > to specify file name. How can I search for strings within text? > > It is probably in the man but I somehow overlook it. :( > > Thank you very much in advance! I guess you could use the '-exec' expression in find(1) to execute grep(1) to search for a string in the files examined. Or you could use the output of find(1) as a list of files that are given as arguments to grep(1). -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 10:20:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E221065672 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755298FC1C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 10:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8408B803E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:19:24 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1243678764; bh=OhAc5Bx7DsH1AwkAwYTu1xSDzP9qlhT3LTWAnHkRbaI=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AyQSZV9hz2YFgCC+pcJ2uAQamiJsTENHWT3LqOop7tdgOLLnVataVyPflZu+xlYG4 ZIs0Y+FAaydc4OlHqmN3fNa19iAGqomMfG/DtUexJh5nxmQWb6QLCdtvOOoUBFDopx IyBbNY8F0C0jxO3++skK8ydad1twhYPUstFVOG5M= Received: from relay.lc-words.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.lc-words.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01847-04 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:19:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477BCB801E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:19:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 77.254.184.81 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:19:24 +0200 Message-ID: <80cddf609e38046ffa0ce3f2bdab235c.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> In-Reply-To: <20090530101328.GA59991@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <20090530101328.GA59991@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:19:24 +0200 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:20:32 -0000 >> Can you please give me a hint how to use find to search for a specific >> text within files? > > Generally, you don't - find(1) does not examine the contents of files by > itself, just their directory information. You normally use grep(1) to > search within a file. Ahhh - I use grep on daily basis. Now why didn't I think of it? I got so fixed on the idea of using find that I completely forgot about grep.... Sorry for the noise and thank you very much for your help! -- Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 11:23:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DE81065674 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA018FC20 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2229A7E837; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:23:44 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:23:42 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <200905292311.58235.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A20EC36.6080003@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A20EC36.6080003@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905301323.42406.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Subject: Re: Greylisting and new posters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:23:46 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 10:20:06 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Mel Flynn wrote: > > Is it possible to: > > a) Put a big-red-blink-popup-attentiongrabbing monster text into the > > subscription page about first posts being delayed with a link to > > greylisting? b) Hash the bodies of greylisted messages and reject / > > discard if the same body with a different msg id is being received? > > > > I'd be happy to contribute to b) if it is thought that the incoming > > mailer can handle the hashing and storage of this information. > > Hi, ok sorry about that mail yesterday :) I've been off the list for > some time. Don't be. It's been bothering me for a while and you weren't even the trigger. Ironically the trigger was the endless and rather pointless discussions about list moderation. The thing with double posts like these is that they are more frequent as of late and sometimes lead to 2 seperate threads about the same thing, where I already have half a reply ready only to notice that it was already covered "in the other one". > Your option b) won't work: you propose to reply with a 2XX (OK) or 5XX > (rejected, don't try again) if subscriber sends the message again. > > Problem is that the server after receiving the 450 error will retry > after some time and this may be before the sender is white listed. So if > you implement the solution you propose you risk that the original > message is either discarded or rejected. Not unless the retrying mailer is really broken. > So, you need to come up with an idea of how to distinguish between the > server resending the same message and the subscriber resending the same > message. If anything, I believe it's most likely that the subscriber > will not send the exact same message, missing some blanks or double > signature line etc... Most of the time it's identical, but I haven't investigated white-space differences. And like I mentioned in the original email, the msg id is the identifier. md5(body) as key generates msg-id foo, this message has msg-id bar, so redirect bar to /dev/null. Once foo delivered delete from state table. > Question: Did grey listing actually reduce the amount of spam on the > list? I eventually dumped it as it caused more problems than it solved. It does marginally for me, for the list I have no idea. It seems to be more effective with viruses then "professional spam". -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 11:35:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE3A1065670 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7448FC14 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A984C7E837; Sat, 30 May 2009 03:35:02 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:35:00 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <89C182FE-81B9-474E-84EA-FBB6F68C4E75@eecs.berkeley.edu> <9DCE53EA-E680-48C3-BF7F-A5AAC656EB6D@eecs.berkeley.edu> In-Reply-To: <9DCE53EA-E680-48C3-BF7F-A5AAC656EB6D@eecs.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905301335.00950.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Steven Schlansker Subject: Re: pfsync in GENERIC? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:35:04 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 05:13:27 Steven Schlansker wrote: > On May 29, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Powell wrote: > > Steven Schlansker wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > A custom kernel can free up a little RAM, and maybe boot a little > > sooner, > > but it won't produce any earth shattering differences. I think most > > do it to > > 'shrink' down and eliminate anything which is not required for a > > particular > > piece of hardware. It decreases the possibility of something unneeded > > causing a problem, and enhances problem resolution by making the > > list of > > potential culprits smaller. > > Yeah, that's basically how I felt as well. However as to the > "something unneeded causing a problem" I must say I've never had a > GENERIC kernel fail due to some unneeded device driver, but I've > definitely had a custom built kernel fail because of some tunable or > driver I misconfigured! The general consensus is shifting indeed, as hardware makes more and bigger leaps then software. However, you will not notice a trimmed kernel's performance "under standard workload", but will be able to squeeze more out of the box under extreme loads, due to the simple fact that the kernel has more memory to work with. Also, there are still a few tunables left that can only be set at compile time, MAXPHYS being the most prominent that comes to mind. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 11:56:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1CE1065672 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273718FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:56:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6733002bwz.43 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:56:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=EM5s5g1OusM8/BTBYB1Mf9mQYi9mtOc2NI6u0E4iaQc=; b=BSmCtr3sWuz8m7M23vHSi3JM8cgQDI7yFpD05jpyDsa4X5B215jmjtm7JpNR9Zsxsa 0rwqol132sk2+EzUI3r33C6cF9xD3y69D/wfNmzBkFI0owtnbxGZFCVyYL/dBgGISBYC R0LILqdpiy6Ocz5/4oqkhabYVInTtIiSr5nlY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=FHYcNZW8HssywEcZNq2X/iLtZUL1apzyqGC6D24364hVtshUxcgHn87Dgd79eh5KJ6 A00UjJj0O24qW+QN4iuh807Aiqg3nMfKKpWy7m5TZMKk83oYwR32ZW7ubito3uYCdGqI fmHtxsiX68yQrJZkZiFqEwl6iVbi3w2l6c+Yo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.224.17 with SMTP id b17mr2185596mur.61.1243684602115; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:56:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <80cddf609e38046ffa0ce3f2bdab235c.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> References: <20090530101328.GA59991@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <80cddf609e38046ffa0ce3f2bdab235c.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> From: Valentin Bud Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:56:22 +0300 Message-ID: <139b44430905300456x62bf9c0ybf46bcab6b64e25@mail.gmail.com> To: Zbigniew Szalbot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:56:44 -0000 2009/5/30 Zbigniew Szalbot > >> Can you please give me a hint how to use find to search for a specific > >> text within files? > > > > Generally, you don't - find(1) does not examine the contents of files by > > itself, just their directory information. You normally use grep(1) to > > search within a file. > > Ahhh - I use grep on daily basis. Now why didn't I think of it? I got so > fixed on the idea of using find that I completely forgot about grep.... > > Sorry for the noise and thank you very much for your help! > > -- > Zbigniew Szalbot > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Mr. Zbigniew Szalbot, You can use egrep -r * (grep -e) to search for specific text pattern while you are in a directory with many sub directories. The output is nice because it tells you the file in which the text pattern was found :). a great day, v -- network warrior since 2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 12:12:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C914F106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:12:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD7D8FC1B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:12:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8LAG+/IErUnw6T/2dsb2JhbACBSYkRhEHAJQiEBAU Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net ([212.159.14.147]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 30 May 2009 13:12:43 +0100 Received: from [81.174.174.115] (helo=main) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1MANQZ-0004aZ-9G for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:12:43 +0100 Message-ID: <7113B9EC4577469A87D206795FBCFC72@main> From: "Graham Bentley" To: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:12:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Plusnet-Relay: dc8ab9e1ed21384dda6d434e4d70b2bc Subject: Fw: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:12:45 -0000 OK, this is where I am up to. I have plugged my 7.1 Release hard disc back in and I get £ signs no problem. So, I then unplug my KVM and mini keyboard and plug standard ps2 kb / ps2 mouse in. I do a minimal install of 7.2 Release from DVD and make sure I have uk.cp850 in my /etc/rc.conf Guess what? Theres no difference - still no £ signs at console, I get a beep. So theres some difference in the way 7.2 looks at things compared to 7.1. Out of interest the kb controler is on this mobo - Asus M2N68-AM I think its a bug or mis-detection etc Do I report this? Or ask for help on a different list? I dont mind doinf whatever tests are required to resolve this issue. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 12:12:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE9F1065703 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216878FC23 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:12:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19CD7E837; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:12:52 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:12:50 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <80cddf609e38046ffa0ce3f2bdab235c.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <139b44430905300456x62bf9c0ybf46bcab6b64e25@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <139b44430905300456x62bf9c0ybf46bcab6b64e25@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905301412.50958.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , Valentin Bud Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:12:54 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 13:56:22 Valentin Bud wrote: > 2009/5/30 Zbigniew Szalbot > > > >> Can you please give me a hint how to use find to search for a specific > > >> text within files? > > > > > > Generally, you don't - find(1) does not examine the contents of files > > > by itself, just their directory information. You normally use grep(1) > > > to search within a file. > > > > Ahhh - I use grep on daily basis. Now why didn't I think of it? I got so > > fixed on the idea of using find that I completely forgot about grep.... > > > > Sorry for the noise and thank you very much for your help! > > > > -- > > Zbigniew Szalbot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hello Mr. Zbigniew Szalbot, > > You can use egrep -r * (grep -e) to search for specific text pattern while > you are in a directory with many sub directories. The output is nice > because it tells you the file in which the text pattern was found :). Discouraged because: - it's possible to hit maxarglen if the root directory has many subdirectories. - Will not search hidden directories in the root directory because of the shell glob - cannot be combined with other search criteria such as the file's timestamp. find . -type f -mtime 2 -exec grep '^Subject: \[SPAM\]' {} + will find all messages in a maildir modified within the last 2 minutes where the subject has been flagged as spam. I use + rather then ; so that one invocation for grep is done whenever maxarglen is hit (like if you used xargs(1)), rather then one grep per file. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 12:22:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DF7106564A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1FA8FC1B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6741310bwz.43 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 05:22:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=1oVNcVqixYWQvOJkO1kSKb2J+Ot4N8GkGekiOuJtRKw=; b=uoLenlhFU+nbOLeCfsm2d1ovwvSB6T6lDLGcazgj5nBJRC6oxpi3b6YdhDdEHhBKyo MqlAKoknK0ndGmldvAxvpHb5cengbCFtPFfqfwRk8TWfuBRIbfi8moXjbf7I7wqBs4x0 e3ra8eIBuSp0rnhu8Pu6uHXqOxTzipwrk/KAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=LMXn3zA7IYmwuugbyrHYABQEEEeAcNX9RYhBTdXzmefzVQg1365pKjJbDEFXZbN85E o2yNG/u3D3cmlDwD0Aw2wQQF5dmnkJk/FXUaedxGCzlazKcJgxIWbWaJSNkvSNZtyH9O CrG56p+B01XoIGboMMQJcTG2tL8PU2shHEEpI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.223.2 with SMTP id a2mr2236312mur.4.1243686170103; Sat, 30 May 2009 05:22:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200905301412.50958.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <80cddf609e38046ffa0ce3f2bdab235c.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <139b44430905300456x62bf9c0ybf46bcab6b64e25@mail.gmail.com> <200905301412.50958.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> From: Valentin Bud Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:22:30 +0300 Message-ID: <139b44430905300522i21c06725nc17d3bd12573c858@mail.gmail.com> To: Mel Flynn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Zbigniew Szalbot Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:22:53 -0000 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Mel Flynn < mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net > wrote: > On Saturday 30 May 2009 13:56:22 Valentin Bud wrote: > > 2009/5/30 Zbigniew Szalbot > > > > > >> Can you please give me a hint how to use find to search for a > specific > > > >> text within files? > > > > > > > > Generally, you don't - find(1) does not examine the contents of files > > > > by itself, just their directory information. You normally use > grep(1) > > > > to search within a file. > > > > > > Ahhh - I use grep on daily basis. Now why didn't I think of it? I got > so > > > fixed on the idea of using find that I completely forgot about grep.... > > > > > > Sorry for the noise and thank you very much for your help! > > > > > > -- > > > Zbigniew Szalbot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Hello Mr. Zbigniew Szalbot, > > > > You can use egrep -r * (grep -e) to search for specific text pattern > while > > you are in a directory with many sub directories. The output is nice > > because it tells you the file in which the text pattern was found :). > > Discouraged because: > - it's possible to hit maxarglen if the root directory has many > subdirectories. Never occured so i didn't have a clue about it :|. > > - Will not search hidden directories in the root directory because of the > shell glob > - cannot be combined with other search criteria such as the file's > timestamp. > > find . -type f -mtime 2 -exec grep '^Subject: \[SPAM\]' {} + > > will find all messages in a maildir modified within the last 2 minutes > where > the subject has been flagged as spam. I use + rather then ; so that one > invocation for grep is done whenever maxarglen is hit (like if you used > xargs(1)), rather then one grep per file. > -- > Mel This list is amazing because everyday you learn something new. Thanks. a great day, v -- network warrior since 2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 12:24:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3132106568F for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F858FC15 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4UC3GMN058789; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:03:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:03:16 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Vince Sabio In-Reply-To: <20090530082027.3E0FE1065686@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20090530212836.I55023@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20090530082027.3E0FE1065686@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MIME attachments in mbox files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:24:34 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 23:40:52 -0400 Vince Sabio wrote: > I have a need (well, I have lots of needs, but I'll try to stay > focused here) to be able to take a Windows zip file that is stored as > a MIME attachment to an e-mail message in an Mbox-format spool file, > and unzip the attachment. I actually need to script the process. In > case it helps, I can dedicate a mailbox to the task. If necessary, I > can write my own parser to strip out the attachment, in which case > I'd need only a widget that can take in a MIME (base64) encoded zip > file, convert it to binary, and unzip it. > > Anyone know of any FreeBSD utility(ies) that do(es) this? /usr/ports/converters/mpack /usr/ports/archivers/unzip You could first export/save each such message to a separate file and run munpack(1) on it to extract any base64 attachment/s, then unzip(1) any identifiable zipfiles. You can most likely rely on the return code from 'unzip -t $file' to check any files are valid zipfiles, if munpack can't recover the original filename from the MIME headers. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 12:29:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2DA1065672 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 963938FC18 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86955 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 12:29:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XniQL0FfdP3eSl5m4vtPRKLq7YFfr5/9EjHi8OhrRf6SGGmPZrctFEoU5roBf02Lyzv/Kt0bzk45F/kZTYgfnONj4ju59Fav7E3mTaAlnzaOiNw+Usu+7osf6WPo9KHdJU4AbEKcykKF0JzjukLUuJQ3nFUZBarvhD9aDnqkWFw= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 05:29:32 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: j_x150IVM1mtciAS3Dg4h_shihiXrWdj2g8XnwjTQVJ_5nIFMcwECxAGvZFE3NJQt93BSPd9AxCs8YkFM_4lkfNkonFu5WGEynvz8YLB.5S983.TQsNxsdYkoeE4oQd3hM2DoerVC8ZS4cpc4si_CCHEH7rxmjoMQEAAIo2oT.ic0aICxCR5kLvwiPChNd7cMYimFO7LYlrz4_jgBWHBML7SkxBuvTQS6OqL4s1USY2pfniSEA3Gt_ofyQOwZb03SnsL2pkGaXGffbWu4PJcF2WhgqPdGXoDoIZ3KYEhVgrS5602b3j0OxmlfnByXgm8K3F6LTGLim622yAkEIKkHxYzd.WQij_lMRb2 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:29:31 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090530082931.1f2238d5@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:29:34 -0000 The usefulness of government intervention into private lives, businesses, etc. is never going to be resolved on this forum. I am just going to leave with something I received at a business lecture a few years ago. It was by a Princeton professor, Dr. Webner I believe. Innovation has never come from a bureau. Bureaucracy is antithetical to innovation. What's more, it is bloody fascist. God forefend the day when every independent entity has to check with some overweening bureaucracy before they try something. Anyone who makes any claim to respecting liberty and then endorses this kind of nonsense should feel a considerable amount of shame for his or her hypocrisy and embrace of tyranny. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com There will be sex after death, we just won't be able to feel it. Lily Tomlin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 12:50:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C883B106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:50:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.prokofyev@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1E98FC12 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.prokofyev@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so3364734ewy.43 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 05:50:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=W/NwgIqz0SeDCDERpr0pbbvIIVDqwgLlnDnUzb5GnoU=; b=Dh/ER8jBzm1bIJhKumLrX3o7BSAhujU8cc+hy7ySMfM/qQsI1NIqeSOtrxO+AIFbxQ 3LwtII7NU4/ufXoh7/vLQyfcGT53cqTZLtGVIz1fe9/01BwU4moFtYZ47//u4zsGsXEr 3Ebe/eZZqbw95KbJldb9MxwZqmxdQUbmtyFRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=aBqgROOx65KMmt8C3xaPHiuVHJ6wD10U2DSschAk/D2s/4AuqVVia0dlKffZpxg1VC rWsyfxYweZnLQZrISGQjJCuHjm8qOkv1dlq4lI42EO+tKG2MesZfay9NEHgjiMKTXVOx vKYkZLpEC+oIRQQwiCqg4VcCwuYh6xqfvJuVI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.47.213 with SMTP id t63mr1245060web.134.1243687831830; Sat, 30 May 2009 05:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:50:31 +0400 Message-ID: <46dcef4e0905300550j3e19424bs689a384bb4f97c19@mail.gmail.com> From: Prokofyev Vladislav To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:50:34 -0000 Hello, I have setup FreeBSD recently, can somebody help me with one interesting thing - Bind9 slave DNS server, everything is works great, but I got a problem with extended logging of xfer, etc. Bind9 started in chroot: root 788 0.0 0.1 3156 1004 ?? Ss Fri01AM 0:02.10 /usr/sbin/syslogd -l /var/run/log -l /var/named/var/run/log -s bind 30792 0.0 1.2 16212 12864 ?? Is 4:10PM 0:00.23 /usr/sbin/named -t /var/named -u bind Configuration of logging channels from named.conf: logging { channel "xfer" { file "/var/named/var/log/xfer.log" versions 3 size 10m; print-time yes; print-severity yes; severity info; }; channel "lame" { file "/var/named/var/log/lame.log" versions 2 size 10m; print-time yes; print-severity yes; severity info; }; channel "config" { file "/var/named/var/log/conf.log" versions 3 size 10m; print-time yes; print-severity yes; severity info; }; channel "security" { file "/var/named/var/log/security.log" versions 3 size 10m; print-time yes; print-severity yes; severity info; }; category "xfer-in" { "xfer"; }; category "xfer-out" { "xfer"; }; category "notify" { "xfer"; }; category "lame-servers" { "lame"; }; category "config" { "config"; }; category "security" { "security"; }; category "default" { "default_syslog"; "default_debug"; }; }; Next, I've create files in /var/named/var/log and chown them to bind:wheel (cause of -u bind is defined above): [posix@mgork23-gw /var/named/var/log]$ ls -la total 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 bind wheel 512 May 30 16:09 . drwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 512 May 21 19:16 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 bind wheel 0 May 30 14:54 conf.log -rw-r--r-- 1 bind wheel 0 May 30 14:55 lame.log -rw-r--r-- 1 bind wheel 0 May 30 14:55 security.log -rw-r--r-- 1 bind wheel 0 May 30 14:54 xfer.log But I get following messages in /var/log/messages: May 30 16:27:42 srv named[31139]: starting BIND 9.4.2 -t /var/named -u bind May 30 16:27:42 srv named[31139]: command channel listening on 127.0.0.1#953 May 30 16:27:42 srv named[31139]: command channel listening on ::1#953 May 30 16:27:42 srv named[31139]: logging channel 'xfer' file '/var/named/var/log/xfer.log': file not found May 30 16:27:42 srv named[31139]: logging channel 'lame' file '/var/named/var/log/lame.log': file not found May 30 16:27:42 srv named[31139]: logging channel 'config' file '/var/named/var/log/conf.log': file not found May 30 16:27:42 srv named[31139]: logging channel 'security' file '/var/named/log/security.log': file not found May 30 16:27:42 srv named[31139]: running May 30 16:27:42 srv named[31139]: isc_log_open '/var/named/var/log/xfer.log' failed: file not found Changing permissions and putting log-files in different places (with changing paths in named.conf of course) has no effect. I see that problem is pretty silly but searching info about this doesn't say something special - I still got "file not found" in /var/messages. Maybe Iam don't understand where files must be placed, so, thanks in advance for everybody who can explain how it works :) VP v.prokofyev@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 13:37:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486A11065673 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:37:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rebotados@exemys.com) Received: from server2.hostmailing.com (server2.hostmailing.com [200.110.145.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484668FC14 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:37:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rebotados@exemys.com) Received: from web.hostmailing.com ([200.110.145.34] helo=www.hostmailing.com) by server2.hostmailing.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MAO3q-0005zb-Cs for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:53:18 -0300 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:36:42 -0300 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Exemys Message-ID: <462aa15854acd45bc00eac8c2b4723f4@www.hostmailing.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: wh4535 [version 3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: GSM to Serial Converter X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: exemys@exemys.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:37:38 -0000 This is a message in multipart MIME format. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 13:51:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD59F1065673 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5798FC15 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884D67E837; Sat, 30 May 2009 05:51:11 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:51:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <46dcef4e0905300550j3e19424bs689a384bb4f97c19@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <46dcef4e0905300550j3e19424bs689a384bb4f97c19@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905301551.09796.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Prokofyev Vladislav Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:51:13 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 14:50:31 Prokofyev Vladislav wrote: > Bind9 started in chroot: > > root 788 0.0 0.1 3156 1004 ?? Ss Fri01AM 0:02.10 > /usr/sbin/syslogd -l /var/run/log -l /var/named/var/run/log -s > bind 30792 0.0 1.2 16212 12864 ?? Is 4:10PM 0:00.23 > /usr/sbin/named -t /var/named -u bind > > > Configuration of logging channels from named.conf: > > logging > { > > channel "xfer" > { > > file "/var/named/var/log/xfer.log" versions 3 size > 10m; The named running chrooted has no clue about /var/named. You can either use ducttape: cd /var/named/var && sudo ln -s .. named or just strip /var/named from your config file, hence use /var/log/xfer.log. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 14:06:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAB51065678 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:06:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BB08FC1F for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:06:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MAPCm-0001iv-RB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:06:36 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-65-45.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.65.45]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:06:36 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-65-45.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:06:36 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:08:05 -0400 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <46dcef4e0905300550j3e19424bs689a384bb4f97c19@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-65-45.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:06:39 -0000 Prokofyev Vladislav wrote: > Hello, > > I have setup FreeBSD recently, can somebody help me with one interesting > thing - Bind9 slave DNS server, everything is works great, but I got a > problem with extended logging of xfer, etc. > Bind9 started in chroot: > > root 788 0.0 0.1 3156 1004 ?? Ss Fri01AM 0:02.10 > /usr/sbin/syslogd -l /var/run/log -l /var/named/var/run/log -s > bind 30792 0.0 1.2 16212 12864 ?? Is 4:10PM 0:00.23 > /usr/sbin/named -t /var/named -u bind > > [snip] > > > Changing permissions and putting log-files in different places (with > changing paths in named.conf of course) has no effect. I see that problem > is pretty silly but searching info about this doesn't say something > special - I still got "file not found" in /var/messages. > Maybe Iam don't understand where files must be placed, so, thanks in > advance for everybody who can explain how it works :) > Don't know if this will help, but took a quick look at my box here at home and have the following in my rc.conf - but I don't have logging turned on with this machine. Note the last line. So the logs should be in /var/named/var/log named_enable="YES" named_program="/usr/sbin/named" named_chrootdir="/var/named" -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 14:24:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D089D106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64578FC19 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4UE7Kq4083508; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:07:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id QZmwMNVuYihv; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:07:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4UE6mRC083489; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:06:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4A213D78.9040008@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:06:48 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080719 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: exemys@exemys.com References: <462aa15854acd45bc00eac8c2b4723f4@www.hostmailing.com> In-Reply-To: <462aa15854acd45bc00eac8c2b4723f4@www.hostmailing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GSM to Serial Converter X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:24:47 -0000 Exemys wrote: > This is a message in multipart MIME format. Your mail client should not be displaying this. Consider upgrading your mail client to view this message correctly. Wrong list. You should consider upgrading *your* mail client to send messages correctly; general consensus, and I'll leave it to another troll to quote the relevant RFC's. ;-) Oh, and upgrade your keyboard to one with an ENTER key as well, please. :-P Kevin Kinsey -- Ring around the collar. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 14:35:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23D91065674 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141A28FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 14:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A1E35469; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:35:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:34:59 +0200 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090530143459.GF1339@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9849.pQymwXa+Jjy6Cj9K%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20090529150133.1897bd88.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:35:05 -0000 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 03:13:13PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Done the same with HP Laserjet 4000 duplex - it even received > > an IP automatically via DHCP, so I just had to "arp -a" and > > edit /etc/hosts and /etc/printcap. The lpq / lprm tools seemed > > to operate on the printer server inside the printer. > > For non-ethernet printers like my laserjet 4 there are often available > original print server modules for them for really nothing (i paid <10$) > > if not, and you need ethernet connectivity, then this > > http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=50&pl1_id=7&pl2_id=34 > > is a perfect choice. i recommend it for every unix user. Thanks for the pointer! I was actually looking for a set of ethernet print servers, and this looks very promising. Can you confirm that the PS-1206P works well under RELENG_7? > As they are advertised as mostly for windows, i actually found configuring > it under unix very simple exactly as you said (/etc/printcap), while > incredibly complex under windows ;) TIA, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:03:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3D8106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.prokofyev@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29EA8FC16 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:03:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.prokofyev@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 22so189237eye.7 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:03:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=LlcWt61i0rFR5So98p1D3HhOVScWKAl6/DASTJY2vtM=; b=i5vvaWQYKmd6CEqw0cln15SKdIsQuFPs4GfDa/6opcGlfCLQki8hWC5Hs8UCcrHkXo kiHpS6WNlYclZ/fbR8UgKGCO6XgTivCXCpRwEOyKuz9AwfYeVSsc/wizCjFLPdTkQx/+ GL2PB4JY8Ykmuh+ZofhA6Fo5RmHwC8KoSKRj8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=bbj5lTlacc0qmMfNuOrRR4cUajS7HP+fC9CIpdeag6pHa0OzCssF5OvLJzynpz9a0x f4BoEpF4zFmUIgUam6hTzMzbzdwyAMdfL0kKNwZm7yLbHTzJOGxKkq8TMmBYJEK5FJPX dT2j583sjppahWLb/HnHJ6tYP6d/+V64CtQhY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.3.65 with SMTP id 43mr1280772weg.149.1243695781661; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:03:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <46dcef4e0905300550j3e19424bs689a384bb4f97c19@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:03:01 +0400 Message-ID: <46dcef4e0905300803h61685e09p7f5f3a721fec5f12@mail.gmail.com> From: Prokofyev Vladislav To: nightrecon@verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:03:03 -0000 > > named_enable="YES" > named_program="/usr/sbin/named" > named_chrootdir="/var/named" > > -Mike > > After adding these options on my system, named didn't start at boot. Manully attempt to start it via '/etc/rc.d/named start' brought to the following error: /etc/rc.d/named: WARNING: run_rc_command: cannot run /usr/sbin/named Anyway, thank you for time you've spent to write an answer. Hope this thread will help somebody who is stuck with the same problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:18:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033831065672 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:18:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E528FC1E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFI77L018388; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:18:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFI7Iq018385; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:18:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:18:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090530143459.GF1339@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9849.pQymwXa+Jjy6Cj9K%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20090529150133.1897bd88.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090530143459.GF1339@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:18:32 -0000 >> is a perfect choice. i recommend it for every unix user. > > Thanks for the pointer! I was actually looking for a set of ethernet > print servers, and this looks very promising. > > Can you confirm that the PS-1206P works well under RELENG_7? it can't. it's ethernet device not PC peripheral so it doesn't run "under" FreeBSD or whatever, but on LAN :) in /etc/printcap add: printer1:blahblah:sh:rm=IP.number.put.here:sd=/var/spool/lpd/printer1:lf=/var/log/printer1: and go. Of course add postscript filters if you like From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:19:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6BD1065687 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:19:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF1A8FC1A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFJ1Tn018395; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:19:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFIxuQ018392; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:19:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:18:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Leslie Jensen In-Reply-To: <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> Message-ID: References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:19:11 -0000 >>> /Leslie >>> >>> >> of course turn off hald, and run moused. >> > Unfortunately that did not fix the problem :-( > What do I test next? > /Leslie > > do X -configure and look at xorg.conf then try fixing something there. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:30:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17C51065670 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:30:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA1C8FC2E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4UFUL4w065021; Sun, 31 May 2009 01:30:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 01:30:21 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Josef Moellers In-Reply-To: <20090528163523.453E210656CB@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20090531011825.A55023@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20090528163523.453E210656CB@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Failure to get past a PCI bridge X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:30:27 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:00 +0200 Josef Moellers wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to install 7.2-RELEASE on a pretty new system (a Fujitsu > RX300S5). > The first obstacle was the fact that while the system has an > AT-Keyboard-Controller, it ist not used (keyboard and mouse are > connected via USB) and I have found that I can get past that by specifying > > set hint.atkbd.0.disabled=1 > set hint.atkbdc.0.disabled=1 > > The install kernel then boots properly and reaches the "Country Selection". > At that point, no keyboard input is accepted. An optical mouse is off, > so I assume the keyboard to be off, too. > > I have hooked up a serial connection to log the kernel's output (some > 1000+ lines): > > set boot_serial=1 > set boot_verbose=1 > set boot_multicons=1 > set console="comconsole vidconsole" > > The following lines make me wonder if the kernel fails to get past PCI > bridges and this can't reach the UHCI controllers: > > pcib0: on acpi0 > pcib0: could not get PCI interrupt routing table for \_SB_.CPU0 - > AE_NOT_FOUND > : > pcib1: on acpi0 > pcib1: could not get PCI interrupt routing table for \_SB_.CPU1 - > AE_NOT_FOUND > : > pcib2: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 > pcib2: couldn't find _ADR > pcib2: trying bus number 2 > pci2: on pcib2 > pci2: domain=0, physical bus=2 > > I talked to the guy who does the BIOS for the machine and he says that > it makes no sense for the kernel to try and find the _PRT for \_SB_.CPU0 > or \_SB_.CPU1! > > Can anyone help? I haven't been using FreeBSD since 4.2 and haven't dug > through deep kernel functions for quite some time. Not directly, but you may do better posting that to the acpi@freebsd.org list. See archives at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-acpi/ cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:30:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8761065672 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:30:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A948FC45 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFUf4q018430; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:30:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFUbk3018427; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:30:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:30:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chuck Robey In-Reply-To: <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Manolis Kiagias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gary Gatten Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:30:49 -0000 > Hey folks, all of you, could I please sugggest that this entire thread (under a > variety of subject names) is an abuse of the lists? Generally i do agree with you. But - in my opinion there are lots of other abuses. Whenever i pointed this out i got tons of protests from others. So please - who should decide what's on and whats off topic? For me - if talks about programs just because it runs under FreeBSD is OK, then everything is OK. About politics, sport, choosing printservers. Why telling someone that want to "switch" from windows to FreeBSD that better stay with windows is wrong? It's my opinion and my way to help him/her to save time. And it's proved, over hundred people i know that ever tried to "switch" to linux or FreeBSD, got back to windows within short time. Of course - switching the way of using computer from windows-style to unix-style is another thing, is very welcome and is likely to succeed. The argument "it's nothing wrong to help others" is a nonsense too. Yes - help, but about FreeBSD, or on other list, or on priv. Or maybe democratic method - when more and louder shouts it's right - it's right?! Doesn't you see a nonsense?! Once again - please DO MODERATED list, with clearly defined rules what's right and what's not. Whatever the rules will be (approved/defined by FreeBSD owners) - it will be OK. About stats i had to do - i AM working on this, but i was not aware how much work it needs. I'm reading mails from february each year, and now "processed" four years only. So sorry for not doing it for today morning, but i wasn't aware it's too short time. Another question - some of you said that "outdated" hardware is welcome too as gifts for FreeBSD team. I actually have lots of them, and NON-typical things, that would be useful. I prepared a list, and can make photos. I already sent a mail to one developer but got no response. Maybe he is just busy or absent, anyway what's the best address for this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:31:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3979E106567F for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D7E8FC35 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFVakw018456; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:31:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFVZq6018453; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:31:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:31:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905292225.41654.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> <200905292225.41654.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Johan Hendriks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:31:47 -0000 >>> It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: >>> a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever >>> possible. is this a reason, or that simply mysql is just slow and inefficient compared to postgreSQL? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:35:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D07106564A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9079D8FC15 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFZWsx018486 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:35:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFZWRg018483 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:35:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:35:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090529163807.687eead3@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528165453.1a24104a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090528171259.9bb60034.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDEF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090528234329.58b88bb1@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090529150327.GA63687@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <1243611407.18401.62.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE09@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090529163807.687eead3@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:35:41 -0000 >> UPS.. maybe better not write that, as people from governments may get >> this new idea. > > Worse, the EU will consider 'super tankers' unfair to smaller sized > tankers and require super tankers to only carry half as much cargo. but this will make CO2 emission higher as half-loaded supertanker needs more than half of fuel to go. Of course i wish it's just a joke like my before, but really - what today is a joke, tomorrow is EU idea, and soon is a law. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:36:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7B1106567F for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:36:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA608FC29 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991197E83F; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:36:14 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:36:12 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <46dcef4e0905300550j3e19424bs689a384bb4f97c19@mail.gmail.com> <200905301551.09796.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <46dcef4e0905300801l7f7acf67jcbf0856b090f22f6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <46dcef4e0905300801l7f7acf67jcbf0856b090f22f6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905301736.12503.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Prokofyev Vladislav Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:36:16 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 17:01:17 Prokofyev Vladislav wrote: > > The named running chrooted has no clue about /var/named. You can either > > use ducttape: > > cd /var/named/var && sudo ln -s .. named > > > > or just strip /var/named from your config file, hence use > > /var/log/xfer.log. > > > > -- > > Mel > > This helped, thank you a lot. > So, if I think in a right way, /usr/sbin/named with -t start option don't > effect on any symlinks etc. Erm, yes or ... no. I suggest you read up on chroot. The short answer is that relative symlinks within the chroot environment work while absolute ones should take into the account the new filesystem root. > I didn't pay attention to this cause named(8) > says: > > -t directory > Chroot to directory after processing the command line arguments, > but before reading the configuration file. and have a look at what /etc/namedb really is: # ls -l /etc/namedb lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 May 21 06:24 /etc/namedb -> /var/named/etc/namedb And this demonstrates chroot a bit: # cp /rescue/ls /var/named/ # chroot /var/named /ls -l /etc/namedb total 1 drwxr-xr-x 2 53 0 512 Feb 28 05:57 dynamic drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 512 May 15 13:42 master -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 11714 May 15 14:40 named.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 2956 May 15 13:42 named.root -rw------- 1 53 0 97 Apr 18 10:29 rndc.key drwxr-xr-x 2 53 0 512 May 30 11:21 slave > Warning: This option should be used in conjunction with the > -u option, as chrooting a process running as root doesn't > enhance security on most systems; the way chroot(2) is > defined allows a process with root privileges to escape a > chroot jail. > > And I thought that all actions for proper work are made by named :) They are, you just need reference the right path, the one without /var/named, or use relative paths where the working directory is /etc/namedb. So one would get to /var/log using: file "../../var/log/xfer"; -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:36:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F71F10656B3 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877968FC2A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:36:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFaaVh018499; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:36:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFaYJ7018491; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:36:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:36:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090529204108.GC47683@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <20090529163443.GA46917@kokopelli.hydra> <20090529204108.GC47683@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:36:48 -0000 >> "You did all fine, i have the same configured program in my >> linux/openbsd/netbsd/solaris/whatever OS and it works fine" > > So . . . basically, it's okay for someone to ask about X if that person reread again. You - intentionally or unintentionally - change what i write to mean something else. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:39:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B911065691 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E068FC18 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:39:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFdCuw018536; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:39:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFdCZl018533; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:39:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:39:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: J.McKeown@ru.ac.za In-Reply-To: <20090529232416.30761kw9zzhlqav4@mail.ru.ac.za> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529064800.7c0c10d3@scorpio> <200905291550.45971.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090529111326.17638be5@scorpio> <20090529232416.30761kw9zzhlqav4@mail.ru.ac.za> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Competition law (was Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:39:21 -0000 > I know what socialism means. You seem not to. I haven't anywhere advocated > state ownership of businesses - in fact I very clearly stated that I believe > in a free market with only that level of regulation required to keep it free > from monopoly abuse. You are wrong. there is no monopoly abuse when monopoly doesn't have extra support from government. How could monopoly (if monopoly happen at all) abuse ? Selling below costs? OK let they sell, others will wait a bit or even buy the products until monopoly will not have money to continue this, then compete with the monopoly by selling back what they bought on below-cost prices. Forcing others to stop producing? how? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:40:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE1D1065740 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:40:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21768FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:40:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFdtk4018543; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:39:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFdrSL018540; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:39:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:39:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: gabe In-Reply-To: <20090529223845.5DB9E8FC17@mx1.freebsd.org> Message-ID: References: <20090529223845.5DB9E8FC17@mx1.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:40:14 -0000 that's why i opt for moderation. because it's completely stupid as there are no rules and no enforcement. On Fri, 29 May 2009, gabe wrote: > This is stupid, I'm unsubscribing. > > jeez > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad Perrin > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:41 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists > > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:13:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> software that runs on multiple OSes (and not *just* FreeBSD) to run an >>> extra system, running some other OS. >> >> no. i expect them to ask THAT program support. >> >> In really rare cases when they got an answer like >> "You did all fine, i have the same configured program in my >> linux/openbsd/netbsd/solaris/whatever OS and it works fine" > > So . . . basically, it's okay for someone to ask about X if that person > also runs Linux, but not if that person doesn't. That's the logical > consequence of your argument thus far. How well have you actually > thought this through? > > >> >> They it's place to ask because certainly there's something wrong with the >> port. > > I don't recall that being an obvious and necessary condition of the > example -- and that didn't seem to matter when you suggested that it > might be on-topic if the querent also happens to have a Linux-based > system handy. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > Quoth FreeBSD Secure Programming Guidelines: "In fact, never ever use > gets() or sprintf(), period. If you do - we will send evil dwarfs after > you." > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:41:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40151065712 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:41:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9E38FC1D for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFeNag018562; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:40:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFeMUY018559; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:40:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:40:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bernt Hansson In-Reply-To: <4A20A187.20503@bah.homeip.net> Message-ID: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528083057.554dca76@scorpio> <20090528090941.1b39b676@scorpio> <20090528183141.107ff3e4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528170909.GA1841@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090528193719.97764c30.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> <4A20A187.20503@bah.homeip.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:41:34 -0000 > Wojciech Puchar said the following on 2009-05-28 23:06: > >> Poland is now slowly losing independence > > Poland has never had any independence. Your argument is moot. generally you are right. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:41:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDAC1065695 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF2F8FC23 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFfdZ0018582; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:41:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFfd3Z018579; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:41:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:41:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Vince Sabio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MIME attachments in mbox files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:41:49 -0000 > I have a need (well, I have lots of needs, but I'll try to stay focused here) > to be able to take a Windows zip file that is stored as a MIME attachment to > an e-mail message in an Mbox-format spool file, and unzip the attachment. I > actually need to script the process. In case it helps, I can dedicate a > mailbox to the task. If necessary, I can write my own parser to strip out the > attachment, in which case I'd need only a widget that can take in a MIME > (base64) encoded zip file, convert it to binary, and unzip it. > > Anyone know of any FreeBSD utility(ies) that do(es) this? i'm not sure if i understand well what you want, but install metamail package from ports. there is here program that can just extract all attachments to files. then you can unzip From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:41:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F3F1065687 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C108FC16 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFedSN018569; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:40:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFedUZ018566; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:40:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:40:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bernt Hansson In-Reply-To: <4A20A464.4080804@bah.homeip.net> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528180334.935932be.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528164310.70f30aae@scorpio> <4A20A464.4080804@bah.homeip.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:41:49 -0000 > >> Basic law of marketing is to give the public what they want. > > No. The company CREATES a "need" for their product. > That's the number one rule. if they succeed - what's wrong? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:49:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5839B106568A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:49:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0BE8FC17 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:49:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFnlNx018619; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:49:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFnjXt018616; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:49:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:49:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87ws7zgl4v.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87my8w6shm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87octcuklu.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87ws7zgl4v.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:49:59 -0000 > But the choice you have in a strictly moderated mailing list is about > the same as the choice my people had in that particular oppressive > regime: leave or stay to fight a hopeless battle. Thinking your way - if someone will come to my home and will do what i do not accept - can i force him to go out? Yes i can. He can do the same in another house where it's accepted. Those who don't agree with the moderation rules will use unmoderated one (this), with all it's (dis)adventages. > That's what bothers me with strict moderation. It hinders the freedom > of expression of people, forcing them to go through unreasonable hoops > whenever their personality is slightly different from the 'permitted' > forms of straight-jacket. You talk about that, but when i hear things like "shut up" it's fine of course? So how you define freedom? Freedom for all EXCEPT someone? You seem to favor rules defined by those who shouts louder. I at first placed thought about leaving that list at all, seeing that rulership of shouting crowd starts to win. Unfortunately to many here i stayed and will stay, because i know that what start at discussion forum WILL end in the product - FreeBSD. The same happened in linux, (not exactly) the same happened with NetBSD, and now there is no usable unix other than FreeBSD. Just please don't joke and say OpenBSD ;) it's not even funny. > This is a lot of text to go through, even in a semi-automated manner. it's not possible to automatize this unfortunately. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:51:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F038F10656DE for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242418FC14 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFpCw0018633; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:51:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFpAcs018630; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:51:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:51:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9cf7.UEl7lAiK4FGe5eG7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:51:20 -0000 > But we're talking about vulnerability to dictionary and brute-force > attacks. You'd have to first: > > Ascertain a username in the wheel group. As time needed to brute-force crack any of my password is incomparably longer than the age of universe, this is not an argument. It's just a matter to use good passwords From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:52:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F491065701 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148188FC21 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFqb8e018658; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:52:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFqaME018655; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:52:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:52:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Szalbot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:52:45 -0000 > I am using find in the following manner: > > find /path/to/files/ -mtime -2 -ls |less > to find files which have been recently modified. But I would like to > extend the search to find specific expression within files. -name is used > to specify file name. How can I search for strings within text? no matter how you generate the list of files to search, use grep then on that list From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:53:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFEC1065707 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7B78FC1B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:53:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929377E83F; Sat, 30 May 2009 07:53:40 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:53:38 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905292225.41654.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905301753.38697.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Johan Hendriks Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:53:42 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 17:31:35 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: > >>> a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever > >>> possible. > > is this a reason, or that simply mysql is just slow and inefficient > compared to postgreSQL? Depends on your usage. I'd say for SMTP table lookups, MySQL can out perform PostgreSQL, unless one uses persistent connections (postfix proxy-map to be on topic). The reason for this is that the connection start up for MySQL has lower overhead then for PostgreSQL. So typically with small tables (lookup maps for transport and users are generally not in the order of millions) and lots of connections MySQL could win. On the other hand, PostgreSQL scales better, especially now that the Sysv IPC shared memory limit in FreeBSD has been fixed. [1] The reason for my original remark is that Oracle now acquired SAP DB, MySQL and Berkeley DB, so the best scenario I can see is that they improve the underused Berkeley DB table handler for MySQL and leave the rest in-tact, but I more expect them to phase out MySQL or grow it with Oracle features, neither of which I personally consider a good thing. [1] -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:54:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D871065738 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:54:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2608FC16 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:54:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFsRmA018695; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:54:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFsRCT018692; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:54:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:54:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Fbsd1 In-Reply-To: <4A2106E9.5040708@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: References: <4A2106E9.5040708@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Software creating karaoke from mp3 files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:54:38 -0000 > Been unable to purchase karaoke of rock and roll greats like "AC/DC, THE > ROLLING STONES, THE DOORS, LED ZEPPELIN". Looking for advice on software that AFAIK nobody yet invented so good voice analyzer that could separate out music and speech. But there are programs that ROUGHLY removes speech by filtering some frequency band. effect is crappy but there's something. Look at /usr/ports/INDEX maybe there is something for that but i don't know one From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:55:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4154610656D0 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:55:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743AD8FC2D for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:55:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFt6K8018708; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:55:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFt62r018705; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:55:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:55:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905301323.42406.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <200905292311.58235.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A20EC36.6080003@locolomo.org> <200905301323.42406.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting and new posters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:55:14 -0000 > > Don't be. It's been bothering me for a while and you weren't even the trigger. > Ironically the trigger was the endless and rather pointless discussions about > list moderation. most probably you didn't read the points. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:57:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3CE1065830 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34568FC14 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:57:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFvGbW018722; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:57:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFvEwA018719; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:57:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:57:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905301412.50958.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <80cddf609e38046ffa0ce3f2bdab235c.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <139b44430905300456x62bf9c0ybf46bcab6b64e25@mail.gmail.com> <200905301412.50958.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Valentin Bud , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Zbigniew Szalbot Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:57:23 -0000 >> because it tells you the file in which the text pattern was found :). > > Discouraged because: > - it's possible to hit maxarglen if the root directory has many > subdirectories. xargs is usefull too. i would it as forking for each file will make processing really slow. xargs can cut input data into given chunks with -n option, so grep will be called for say 100 files at once. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:02:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E296D106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:02:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189F38FC08 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:02:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UG2Q97018761 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:02:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UG2QDl018758 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:02:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:02:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090530082931.1f2238d5@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20090530082931.1f2238d5@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:02:34 -0000 > The usefulness of government intervention into private lives, > businesses, etc. is never going to be resolved on this forum. And will it be resolved with discussion anywhere else with anyone else? ;) Only usage of crude force can change the way things go today. And both me and anyone on that list doesn't have such force. > Innovation has never come from a bureau. The same as knowledge never come from schools. Most innovators was quite bad at school, ignored school at all, or was good, but then had to relearn everything from scratch. And - as you said, there are very little, and none great, inventions from any government sponsored scientific groups. More important - if sponsoring is targeted at some achievement (like finding a cure for cancer) the most stupid thing such group can do is to achieve what required and lose funding. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:04:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10F81065703 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA288FC08 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0C9351E2; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:03:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:03:58 +0200 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090530160358.GA2548@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9849.pQymwXa+Jjy6Cj9K%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20090529150133.1897bd88.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090530143459.GF1339@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:04:02 -0000 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 05:18:07PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> is a perfect choice. i recommend it for every unix user. > > > > Thanks for the pointer! I was actually looking for a set of ethernet > > print servers, and this looks very promising. > > > > Can you confirm that the PS-1206P works well under RELENG_7? > > it can't. Okay, thank you. I'll order one and test drive it here, and if it works as it should, I'll order the remaining 200 or so if we're satisfied. ;) > it's ethernet device not PC peripheral so it doesn't run > "under" FreeBSD or whatever, but on LAN :) > > in /etc/printcap add: > > printer1:blahblah:sh:rm=IP.number.put.here:sd=/var/spool/lpd/printer1:lf=/var/log/printer1: I know how to do that, but thanks nonetheless. We have a lot of these little boxes around: http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=322 hooked on old HP DeskJets for moderate to heavy office use, but knowing about alternatives is always good. > and go. Of course add postscript filters if you like Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:04:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA571065706 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:04:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99CC8FC1B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UG3Zbp018776; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:03:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UG3YQb018773; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:03:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:03:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Exemys In-Reply-To: <462aa15854acd45bc00eac8c2b4723f4@www.hostmailing.com> Message-ID: References: <462aa15854acd45bc00eac8c2b4723f4@www.hostmailing.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Filter request Re: GSM to Serial Converter X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:04:05 -0000 Could you please add filter for incoming mail to remove things like that from improperly configured client? It's always the same message so it's simple On Sat, 30 May 2009, Exemys wrote: > This is a message in multipart MIME format. Your mail client should not be displaying this. Consider upgrading your mail client to view this message correctly. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:05:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A4B1065686 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:05:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87758FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UG5Cin018808; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:05:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UG5CRh018805; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:05:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:05:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905301753.38697.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905292225.41654.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200905301753.38697.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Johan Hendriks , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:05:22 -0000 > Depends on your usage. I'd say for SMTP table lookups, MySQL can out perform > PostgreSQL, unless one uses persistent connections (postfix proxy-map to be on > topic). The reason for this is that the connection start up for MySQL has > lower overhead then for PostgreSQL. for just quick searching of keys isn't just berkeley DB or maybe sqlite the best. there will be no connecting at all. anyway sqlite is much more useful From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:06:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557721065725 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D67A8FC08 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UG6dXm018827; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:06:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UG6dA5018824; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:06:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:06:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090530160358.GA2548@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9849.pQymwXa+Jjy6Cj9K%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20090529150133.1897bd88.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090530143459.GF1339@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090530160358.GA2548@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:06:49 -0000 >> >> it can't. > > Okay, thank you. I'll order one and test drive it here, > and if it works as it should, I'll order the remaining > 200 or so if we're satisfied. ;) so ask edimax directly you certainly get a discount on it. But of course test before. I installed only 7 in various places. > > hooked on old HP DeskJets for moderate to heavy office use, but knowing > about alternatives is always good. these LPT-ethernet bridges from edimax was really cheap at least here. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:09:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BE410656C6 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B6E18FC0A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47709 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 16:09:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=LIeuzXbF42e4Yp4Ivm+YzuF/1QYVTFPHiFb1/4HCfnjdUMXDq/IIrp4oQ+Jyx2hJC789SlyAZ2hA/ZrsSh5BJjC3UT4wDPVVtQKWwO+sehJHeKYeBjz8BFJAQ2sPPDJS8j+0Nov4inMVXug93r14sgBFRooh5sSRJViQl2vkIaQ= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 09:09:47 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: e1GLD7IVM1lN7yI12BoFFoEJY8d6HnWPFHBGjB9SZS38RA.64ughWrJtChHUzTv1tMaZIBDLpwfnbn4Qb4GZK21h2ww1.SI11t3AMED_i26NkxZFpqT5UCfz34l6WWAmO5Q5600GvDS4Bo0.6B.Zvrp1Wx90JpOi_wSM9ZkiDxr2iCAeLF3SsvURSRQmnxq5VAqMRd1yGce5oUPugWkTSG7uLqruP.9s0EQyEf99PzvfRObYFy2QHK9j1UGDLMoStSUf9mvIQRsXKjyO2pAxrYrqeKb6jSbpW2brrLMy9hMf5P6a7r88PXC8ng47BACLWPkR.mrwzVWcrGVvsFVJ3X3WSKgbg5yp1a6ICiiVm_v0Flm_Ku3t X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:09:32 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090530120932.24d1899b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> <200905292225.41654.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/AJbGe1mLoXJtNztVq3=AP4+"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:09:49 -0000 --Sig_/AJbGe1mLoXJtNztVq3=AP4+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 30 May 2009 17:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: >>>> a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where >>>> ever possible. > >is this a reason, or that simply mysql is just slow and inefficient=20 >compared to postgreSQL? There are many factors that could be contributing to the speed of MySQL. For starters, what version are you employing? I believe "databases/mysql60-server" is the latest version in the ports tree. Have you tried using: BUILD_OPTIMIZED=3Dyes BUILD_STATIC=3Dyes Their use could improve the speed of MySQL. There are other options in the Makefile. Unfortunately, you have to set them manually. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Theory is gray, but the golden tree of life is green. Goethe --Sig_/AJbGe1mLoXJtNztVq3=AP4+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkohWkoACgkQBvaKIJWWCO3P/QCfSjCfAWa4/Pq4nf3dKdnx7aKY 85AAnjdbQswZkIRKSFR0avDOJzkbDzD8 =WkRc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/AJbGe1mLoXJtNztVq3=AP4+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:12:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6831065677 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85AC8FC0A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A697E840; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:12:27 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:12:25 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <200905301412.50958.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905301812.25320.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Wojciech Puchar Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:12:28 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 17:57:14 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> because it tells you the file in which the text pattern was found :). > > > > Discouraged because: > > - it's possible to hit maxarglen if the root directory has many > > subdirectories. > > xargs is usefull too. i would it as forking for each > file will make processing really slow. xargs can cut input data into given > chunks with -n option, so grep will be called for say 100 files at once. Cut off the message a bit later and you will see that using a '+' to terminate the exec primitive emulates xargs behavior: On Saturday 30 May 2009 14:12:50 Mel Flynn wrote: > I use + rather then ; so that one >invocation for grep is done whenever maxarglen is hit (like if you used >xargs(1)), rather then one grep per file. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:14:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C181065670 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4CF8FC1B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so3440129ewy.43 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:14:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2pJ1gJP+Yz+5JhJKsmni8oAvAdtDu7JeB3WKKe9oAIk=; b=vaofP8cwediFzJIBJMhDWuYr6iL2Q1jkUFMOjqfzY3FCf/0luRTvlmQHYnNSTpBMmx gQ09KgI3e7h/4i6j/xfcpIkRuxMfdvIrBKeANxLOt8/AaqadVDR5LCs0ldAQiHOMAA/F /tISgEhP7a6L7NW5M3KQwS7BqARJi9qb0/WVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MO9p2alz6q9cOO4OPsjxSrwhzgVRySJFQerOwljIHKEAkJAsNKVR53/yH+OBkXMDE+ KkTSFp48USiT6nlBR4+qfN8oC5vGST+tsWr4UABD7FI3gSQD8ReyQwzbRBZDSDmokTOv bjXERPVgshA0bQi6GZoSY52njzotox9GdY+wg= Received: by 10.210.11.13 with SMTP id 13mr1671046ebk.8.1243700092847; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm4585947eyf.28.2009.05.30.09.14.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 30 May 2009 09:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:14:49 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090530171449.3719f9d6@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <200905301412.50958.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <80cddf609e38046ffa0ce3f2bdab235c.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <139b44430905300456x62bf9c0ybf46bcab6b64e25@mail.gmail.com> <200905301412.50958.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:14:55 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:12:50 +0200 Mel Flynn wrote: > On Saturday 30 May 2009 13:56:22 Valentin Bud wrote: > > 2009/5/30 Zbigniew Szalbot > > You can use egrep -r * (grep -e) to search for specific text > > pattern while you are in a directory with many sub directories. The > > output is nice because it tells you the file in which the text > > pattern was found :). > > Discouraged because: > - it's possible to hit maxarglen if the root directory has many > subdirectories. > - Will not search hidden directories in the root directory because of > the shell glob You can replace "egrep -r *" with "egrep -r ." i.e. recurse from the current directory, rather than search or recurse on everything that matches *. That avoids the first two problems, and most of the time the third doesn't matter > - cannot be combined with other search criteria such as the file's > timestamp. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:25:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5327D106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:25:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B368FC16 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UGPDQd018943; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:25:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UGPDTN018940; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:25:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:25:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200905301812.25320.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <200905301412.50958.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200905301812.25320.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:25:21 -0000 > > Cut off the message a bit later and you will see that using a '+' to terminate > the exec primitive emulates xargs behavior: thanks. i didn't know that > > On Saturday 30 May 2009 14:12:50 Mel Flynn wrote: >> I use + rather then ; so that one >> invocation for grep is done whenever maxarglen is hit (like if you used >> xargs(1)), rather then one grep per file. > > -- > Mel > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:26:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962A6106564A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72CF8FC13 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:25:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UGPpDt018950 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:25:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UGPpVj018947 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:25:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:25:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090530120932.24d1899b@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8DE@w2003s01.double-l.local> <200905292225.41654.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <20090530120932.24d1899b@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:26:00 -0000 > you tried using: > > BUILD_OPTIMIZED=yes > BUILD_STATIC=yes > > Their use could improve the speed of MySQL. > the latter (static) will only optimize mysql startup time From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:27:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FDB1065694 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD938FC1D for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094987E83F; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:27:36 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:27:34 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <200905301412.50958.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <20090530171449.3719f9d6@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090530171449.3719f9d6@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905301827.34380.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: RW Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:27:38 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 18:14:49 RW wrote: > On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:12:50 +0200 > > Mel Flynn wrote: > > On Saturday 30 May 2009 13:56:22 Valentin Bud wrote: > > > 2009/5/30 Zbigniew Szalbot > > > > > > You can use egrep -r * (grep -e) to search for specific text > > > pattern while you are in a directory with many sub directories. The > > > output is nice because it tells you the file in which the text > > > pattern was found :). > > > > Discouraged because: > > - it's possible to hit maxarglen if the root directory has many > > subdirectories. > > - Will not search hidden directories in the root directory because of > > the shell glob > > You can replace "egrep -r *" with "egrep -r ." > i.e. recurse from the current directory, rather than search or recurse > on everything that matches *. That avoids the first two problems, and > most of the time the third doesn't matter OP (and myself) have a different concept of 'most of the time'. But this may be cause I'm already so used to this concept that my fingers have it store locally and I could've used grep -r or the overall win is minimal (I often use -name '*.h', and arguably in small trees it wouldn't matter). > > > - cannot be combined with other search criteria such as the file's > > timestamp. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:32:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E99106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0108FC13 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DDB16C0253; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4UGWdXb001571; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:32:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:32:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Zbigniew Szalbot" Message-Id: <20090530183239.a6755d97.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:32:47 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2009 11:25:12 +0200, "Zbigniew Szalbot" wrote: > Hello, > > Can you please give me a hint how to use find to search for a specific > text within files? One valid solution is to combine find (to find the files) and grep (to search in them). For the combination, you can use the famous back-tics. % grep "expression" `find /path/to/files/ -mtime -2 -print` Of course, there are surely easier, faster and better means, but from this one, I know it just works. :-) Furthermore, I think -print is optional here. If you want to use the Midnight Commander, use Meta-? for a combined dialog: +----------------- Find File ------------------+ | | | Start at: _______________________________[^] | | | | Filename: _______________________________[^] | | | | Content: _______________________________[^] | | | | [ ] case Sensitive | | | | [< OK >] [ Tree ] [ Cancel ] | +----------------------------------------------+ That's what I mostly use. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:44:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C258B1065677 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2318FC1E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UGiWU0019060; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:44:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UGiWSQ019057; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:44:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:44:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090530183239.a6755d97.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090530183239.a6755d97.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:44:45 -0000 > the famous back-tics. > > % grep "expression" `find /path/to/files/ -mtime -2 -print` > > Of course, there are surely easier, faster and better means, > but from this one, I know it just works. :-) Furthermore, I unless filelist exceed max lenght of arguments and unfortunately it happens often From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:44:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4935110656A7 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@vjs.org) Received: from mail.vjs.org (static-71-126-154-132.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.126.154.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3F88FC26 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@vjs.org) Received: from [10.190.83.17] (71.126.154.142) by mail.vjs.org with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.1.5) for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 12:44:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20090530075639.GA71434@marvin.optimis.net> References: <20090530075639.GA71434@marvin.optimis.net> X-Mailer: Eudora 10.0b19 for Cray SV-2 (beta release), unregistered Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:44:48 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Vince Sabio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: Re: MIME attachments in mbox files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:44:52 -0000 ** At 00:56 -0700 on 05/30/2009, George Davidovich wrote: >On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:40:52PM -0400, Vince Sabio wrote: >> I have a need (well, I have lots of needs, but I'll try to stay >> focused here) > >Given the nature of most messages in the last few days, I'd suggest >you're trying too hard. ;-) Yeah, I was considering leading with an apology for the on-topic post. > > to be able to take a Windows zip file that is stored as a MIME >> attachment to an e-mail message in an Mbox-format spool file, and >> unzip the attachment. I actually need to script the process. In case >> it helps, I can dedicate a mailbox to the task. >> >> Anyone know of any FreeBSD utility(ies) that do(es) this? > >Generally, when you're talking about processing an mbox and doing >something with message bodies, you're looking at formail plus procmail >in combination with a tool that can interpret the mime structure and >process the components (mimedefang, demine, stripmime, mimedecode, >reformime, renattach, etc.). That's a roundabout way of saying, no, >there are no FreeBSD utilities to do what you want, but there's lots to >be found in ports. Sorry, I misspoke: sed 's/utilities/ports/g' >I'd start with a quick read through of some of those manpages, but at >first glance, ripmime alone might do the trick: > > This, and Ian's munpack suggestion, will both do what I need -- but with one [very minor] exception: There is no way to override the file name specified in the MIME header (if present, which, in my case, it typically will be) and force it to use a specific output file name. Or just send the output to stdout, so I can redirect it to a file name of my choice (or to unzip). Not a show stopper by any means, just requires a workaround. I suspect that the authors of these utilities (there I go again) expected they would be invoked interactively. > > If necessary, I can write my own parser to strip out the attachment, >> in which case I'd need only a widget that can take in a MIME (base64) >> encoded zip file, convert it to binary, and unzip it. > >In that case, and assuming you're using Perl, MIME::base64 and >IO::Uncompress::Unzip (or /usr/ports/archivers/unzip) is what you want. >Bonus points for writing a one-liner. Using C, but shelling out where necessary to get stuff done. It looks like {ripmime, munpack} and unzip will do the trick. Many thanks for the pointers. I now return you to your regularly scheduled META discussion(s)... :-) __________________________________________________________________________ Vince Sabio vince@vjs.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 16:50:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D43106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9508FC20 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16D87E837; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:50:48 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:50:46 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905301753.38697.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905301850.47027.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Johan Hendriks Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:50:50 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 18:05:12 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Depends on your usage. I'd say for SMTP table lookups, MySQL can out > > perform PostgreSQL, unless one uses persistent connections (postfix > > proxy-map to be on topic). The reason for this is that the connection > > start up for MySQL has lower overhead then for PostgreSQL. > > for just quick searching of keys isn't just berkeley DB or maybe sqlite > the best. there will be no connecting at all. > > anyway sqlite is much more useful Only for single machine installs as I wouldn't recommend sqlite over NFS to share the database. The idea was to have one machine (or a replicated cluster) with a database and several mail servers getting their information from there. It's less about performance, more about a preference of how you want to manage your information. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 17:42:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AAF106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411498FC08 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3023FB8038 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1243705256; bh=3v9y0lVpqlCsfVBxuT4VTEkS44eQokXYCCQJgTyIQuE=; h=Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=t18KG70D7qxo5U9HxUKhPGDEe/glcMhqS8SowOzQV+5hyAO1vF7t7CBGMO/4VyOfY CTze+XnhioO3qx5AHlNorMzayOB2DAUCfGdRIC/7zpp3JNUVv0zMOZY1i5mMiY9F1F e/Faz0n35qZyRpLNQd0vONf1jXSWM/16YV/9axwA= Received: from relay.lc-words.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.lc-words.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 37312-09 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A7DB801E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 77.254.184.81 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:55 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:40:55 +0200 From: "Zbigniew Szalbot" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Best practices in finding out a trojan X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:42:02 -0000 Hello, I know this has practically no connection with FreeBSD but I have a site on a shared hosting and it appears the site got a trojan called JS:Cruzer-D. I cannot find anything about it as it appears to be relatively new (28 May). Anyway, I am trying to browse through the joomla cms files in hope of locating it. I haven't seen anything suspicious with the file modification time (and I have checked those which have been modified within 48h period. I am a bit stuck at the moment and if you can offer any advice on how to troubleshoot such things on a UNIX system, I'd be really, really thankful! There is some information about JS:Cruzer-C on the web but code of this trojan is not present on the infected website (I have grepped all the files today). Ah, I will add that the trojan is only reported by avast antivirus when people visit the site in IE (in other browers, this problem does not appear). Best regards, -- Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 17:59:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DDF106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:59:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30C08FC1A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5247E837; Sat, 30 May 2009 09:59:54 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:59:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905301959.52552.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot Subject: Re: Best practices in finding out a trojan X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:59:56 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 19:40:55 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > I know this has practically no connection with FreeBSD but I have a site > on a shared hosting and it appears the site got a trojan called > JS:Cruzer-D. I cannot find anything about it as it appears to be > relatively new (28 May). Anyway, I am trying to browse through the joomla > cms files in hope of locating it. I haven't seen anything suspicious with > the file modification time (and I have checked those which have been > modified within 48h period. Normally, grep and find would do it, or running clamav over the system. However, from what I'm reading on the web, avast gives false positives for this trojan. Even flagging a gif image: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=45730.msg383138#msg383138 So I wouldn't worry about finding it, but more about informing your users that there is no trojan on the site and that they should complain with avast about this issue. You could ask visitors to try and identify the file that sets off this false positive. Procedure for that is described in above post. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 18:08:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035821065670 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walt@wump.org) Received: from que11.charter.net (que11.charter.net [209.225.8.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3E98FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from walt@wump.org) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090530173913.BZQL2647.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:39:13 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.10] ([68.116.98.9]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id xtfB1b00B0C8vLc05tfCj9; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:39:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20090530183239.a6755d97.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:39:06 -0700 To: Wojciech Puchar , Polytropon From: Walt Pawley Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:08:56 -0000 At 6:44 PM +0200 5/30/09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> the famous back-tics. >> >> % grep "expression" `find /path/to/files/ -mtime -2 -print` >> >> Of course, there are surely easier, faster and better means, >> but from this one, I know it just works. :-) Furthermore, I > >unless filelist exceed max lenght of arguments and unfortunately it >happens often I use bash as my default shell and have become rather enamored with the construct | while read x; do "$x"; done which should get around the list length limitations and provides for doing "extras" between the "do" and the "done". Specifically: find /path/to/files/ -mtime -2 -print | \ while read x; do grep "expression" "$x"; done -- Walter M. Pawley Wump Research & Company 676 River Bend Road, Roseburg, OR 97471 541-672-8975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 18:40:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0281065674 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D5D8FC1E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UIeMII019646; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:40:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UIeLfS019643; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:40:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:40:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Walt Pawley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20090530183239.a6755d97.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:40:39 -0000 > | while read x; do "$x"; done > > which should get around the list length limitations and > provides for doing "extras" between the "do" and the "done". > Specifically: > > find /path/to/files/ -mtime -2 -print | \ > while read x; do grep "expression" "$x"; done same as -exec works but forks a process for each single file - slow -exec and + or xargs do the job From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 19:09:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EF7106567E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:09:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1A48FC1C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 17615 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 19:08:59 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 30 May 2009 19:08:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4A218479.1090207@telenix.org> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:09:45 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel Flynn References: <200905292311.58235.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: <200905292311.58235.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greylisting and new posters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:09:00 -0000 Mel Flynn wrote: > All (including David with his kick-ass postmaster hat), > > while off-topic, flames and other non sense covered by Freedom of Speech are > an annoyance to many, I'm more bothered by some newcomers to the list that are > being greylisted on first post and instantly hit the resend button. Especially > since a technical solution is possible in 90% of the cases (there are a few > people that don't resend, but re-edit). > > Is it possible to: > a) Put a big-red-blink-popup-attentiongrabbing monster text into the > subscription page about first posts being delayed with a link to greylisting? > b) Hash the bodies of greylisted messages and reject / discard if the same > body with a different msg id is being received? > > I'd be happy to contribute to b) if it is thought that the incoming mailer can > handle the hashing and storage of this information. Seems to me that the particular problem you're referring to doesn't really happen all that often. Probably, the only thing that really might need another word or two is to make the services offered by FreeBSD-test list better advertised (it does still exist, right?) People can post all the test mail they want to that list. About 6 months ago, I recommended to an acquaintance that they make use of the FreeBSD-test list, and I actually saw the replies he got from some idiots subscribed to that list, complaining that my acquaintance used that list exactly like he was supposed to do. I wonder if maybe the list ought to have some feature like having it's subscribers list zeroed out once a week. It's then a pretty obvious problem which really could be dealt with in the new subscribers intro mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 19:11:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3380106564A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:11:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus@amobos.org) Received: from server3.febas.de (b205.blue.fastwebserver.de [62.141.42.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1E58FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:11:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus@amobos.org) Received: from [10.203.110.144] (tmo-096-126.customers.d1-online.com [80.187.96.126]) by server3.febas.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8AD4C01DC for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:54:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: From: =?utf-8?Q?Markus_K=C3=BCnkler?= To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5H11) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5H11) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:54:10 +0200 Subject: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:11:45 -0000 Hi! I installed my software using csup and make install. Now there are new versions available. How can i deinstall the old software with depencies or upgrade the complete stuff? I want to use make for that and it should ignore if an old version is already installed or deinstall the old version automiticaly. Cheers Markus From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 19:20:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2617A10656DA for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462718FC1D for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UJKEJc019828; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:20:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UJKE6M019825; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:20:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:20:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Markus_K=FCnkler?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:20:31 -0000 > Hi! > I installed my software using csup and make install. Now there are new you mean FreeBSD or some add on software? as assume latter. you should use ports for installing software. if there are no port for it, you should write it and contribute ;) but if you already did this way, then you have 2 choices 1) there are often make deinstall in such sources working, it will work if target directory will be the same as before 2) find out manually what files it put where and delete. If you need to install software this was, try to set target directory base not in /usr, to not make mess with base system, and not /usr/local - to not mess with ports. creating /usr/local2 is a good choice From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 19:33:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212DA106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C918FC15 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:33:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EB53CEAC; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:33:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4UJXLgM003104; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:33:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:33:21 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Markus =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=FCnkler?= Message-Id: <20090530213321.5a86ed4c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:33:29 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2009 20:54:10 +0200, Markus K=FCnkler wr= ote: > Hi! > I installed my software using csup and make install. Now there are new =20 > versions available. How can i deinstall the old software with =20 > depencies or upgrade the complete stuff? I want to use make for that =20 > and it should ignore if an old version is already installed or =20 > deinstall the old version automiticaly. If you're talking about the OS itself, you can simply follow the instractions in the handbook, where it explains the upgrading of the system (including steps like make update, make buildworld and buildkernel, mergemaster, and make installkernel and installworld, maybe KERNCONF). For the ports, you enter the port's directory, run # make deinstall and then # make # make install # make clean (you can of course combine it to "make install clean"). If you want to automate it, you can use tools from the portmgmt/ category, such as portupgrade or portmaster. <--- I think that is what you're searching for. But you're talking about software that is not supported through the FreeBSD ports system, you need to rely on what the source creator gave to you (install / update / deinstall scripts). --=20 Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 19:35:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF701065672 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02AA8FC15 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 19:35:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A3C3D0C9; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:35:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4UJZZog003119; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:35:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:35:35 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Markus =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=FCnkler?= , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:35:37 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2009 21:20:13 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > If you need to install software this was, try to set target directory base > not in /usr, to not make mess with base system, and not /usr/local - to > not mess with ports. > > creating /usr/local2 is a good choice You can even keep it out of /usr employing the /opt "Linuxism". :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 20:10:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C70106564A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853EB8FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C023D24C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:10:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4UKAapA003481 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:10:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:10:36 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20090530221036.25ffe2ff.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Multiple program launches in Midnight Commander X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:10:44 -0000 Since I moved to FreeBSD 7, I noticed that if I press Enter on a file name in the Midnight Commander (which associates the start of the proper program with the file name as parameter, controlled by mc.ext file) that the program is sometimes started 2 or three times. This is especially annoying for video files that then run multiple instances of mplayer, or image files that then run multiple instances of xzgv -tz. Any idea where this comes from? Never had this before... Maybe it has something to do with the "subshell support" new to the Midnight Commander, which often results in read (subshell_pty...): No such file or directory (2) after crashing the MC and not running it anymore. Or maybe it is due to to "sticky keys" on the USB stack? The keyboard is (still) a Sun USB Type 6 keyboard which didn't have any problems before. Additionally, it's not my fingers, I'm a typist - learned on a real typewriter. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 20:34:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F1F1065673 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFF78FC16 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UKYOx2020193; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:34:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UKYO5e020190; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:34:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:34:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Markus_K=FCnkler?= , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:34:39 -0000 >> >> creating /usr/local2 is a good choice > > You can even keep it out of /usr employing the /opt "Linuxism". :-) > no matter what's the name, but it's good to have /usr/local for ports-based installed things /some/other/directory for hand-installed things so both base system and ports are clearly separated From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 20:35:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3609A1065670 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:35:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7392B8FC0A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:35:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UKZdkv020206; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:35:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UKZdSV020203; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:35:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:35:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090530221036.25ffe2ff.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090530221036.25ffe2ff.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Multiple program launches in Midnight Commander X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:35:52 -0000 > 2 or three times. This is especially annoying for video files > that then run multiple instances of mplayer, or image files > that then run multiple instances of xzgv -tz. i never had this in any version of FreeBSD including 7.1 i use now but i use mc-lite port From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 21:38:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F451106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:38:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from thenetnow.com (constellation.thenetnow.com [65.39.193.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE788FC08 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from hpeel.ody.ca ([216.240.12.2] helo=GRANT) by constellation.thenetnow.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MAVsM-000HOv-4x for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:13:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Grant Peel" To: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:13:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Mysql6 or Mysql5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:38:53 -0000 Hi all, I am asking thise here as I am aware there are many ISPs and Hosting = farm admins on this list. 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Thanks, -Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 21:50:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A98106564A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D4B8FC13 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5AF33900; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:50:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:50:42 +0200 From: cpghost To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090530215042.GA3360@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:50:47 -0000 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 09:35:35PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > You can even keep it out of /usr employing the /opt "Linuxism". :-) /opt is actually a Solarism... ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 21:56:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794BF1065675 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C1E8FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DF016C0029; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:56:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4ULtuuZ004123; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:55:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:55:56 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cpghost Message-Id: <20090530235556.bff4caad.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090530215042.GA3360@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090530215042.GA3360@phenom.cordula.ws> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:56:04 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2009 23:50:42 +0200, cpghost wrote: > /opt is actually a Solarism... ;-) That's true, but nobody knows, because Solaris doesn't exist. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 22:55:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284D51065674 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:55:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E168FC16 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:55:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6936062bwz.43 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:55:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=m8pPkRlw//Oi2O3bdYrHMJJEapURL/2ncDWzPob/9AE=; b=a/R8QJTFonQAeckJfzw/PmNe7UkKYd8SLF4GN13N426N5GDr9LmLGpuvfvbaIsV84U uLUcc0BjtT0j4xz79NoL+NKEW0Qn9WC7GJy05voV0MFHPy6Vcem8M5snZqYpJa0tKgdZ qNBRi+/WhqM/xiTor7zr21PWU10EN7Ur+hrws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pAYze9MsIeYjqjVNktgHJt8ACb8CnIIkqC5CYJWMnmj71q+YbD4OQ2AiFPONtVZcgT 8ePrHG5esfORZBS+v9pvYU19RHts9XmSIBfvcFXbbZDzxCVx2IFgkx2LM1uhx59awFOP qQ3sYftOu6X285blInHxHBKxVfHrZ1QiqUTBE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.115.143 with SMTP id i15mr4007749bkq.103.1243724115505; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:55:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:55:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:55:17 -0000 Polytropon, On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > You can even keep it out of /usr employing the /opt "Linuxism". :-) > For (my own) clarity sake, won't that take up space in '/'? (Not arguing, just never thought of using /opt on FreeBSD...) -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 22:58:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F298C106564A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59A78FC08 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4UMw45H015669 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:58:04 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n4UMw4Gi015668; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:58:04 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id 9F22EBECA; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:56:34 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <20090527150330.448cdd7a@gom> (message from prad on Wed, 27 May 2009 15:03:30 -0700) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Oasis. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20090530225634.9F22EBECA@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:56:34 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: rsync approach X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:58:06 -0000 >> On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:03:30 -0700, >> prad said: P> We are thinking of rsync to duplicate 1st [box] > 2nd [box] (with the P> exception of rc.conf and a few other files of course because we don't P> want them to be absolutely identical). P> we plan to allow root login and have disabled all password access so P> that rsync can preserve permissions. is this a good way to accomplish P> the bkp job? If you're going to use root login, I'd suggest access control for ssh via either daemontools or tcpwrappers, and add some extra security by putting 'from="hostname"' in root's entry in the "authorized_keys2" file: from="1st.box.com" ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1MtH[...]WDXDrq03pE= root@1st.box.com It's not strictly necessary to allow root connections if you want to keep permissions intact. I use an unprivileged account ("bkup") to copy gzipped cpio archives between systems. On the 1st box, root can use pax or cpio to create the archive, and then run something as user "bkup" to do the copy to the 2nd box: root# cd /some/where root# find . -print | pax -x cpio -wd | gzip -1c > /tmp/arch.pax.gz root# su bkup -c "scp -c arcfour -i /bkup/.ssh/backuphost_dsa \ /tmp/arch.pax.gz 2nd.box.com:/someplace/bkup/can/write" The arcfour cipher will probably give you better throughput. To unpack the files on 2nd.box.com: root# cd /some/where/else root# gunzip -c /someplace/bkup/can/write/arch.pax.gz | pax -rd -pe root# rm /someplace/bkup/can/write/arch.pax.gz If the files you're syncing are huge, you're better off using root login plus rsync. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company SUVs are gross because they're the solution to a gross problem: how to make minivans look more masculine. --Paul Graham From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 22:58:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C09C106566C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:58:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B902E8FC0C for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4UMw4Uc015661 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:58:04 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n4UMw4xG015660; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:58:04 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id 61E46BECA; Sat, 30 May 2009 18:26:34 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Oasis. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20090530222634.61E46BECA@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:26:34 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:58:06 -0000 >> On Sat, 30 May 2009 11:25:12 +0200, >> "Zbigniew Szalbot" said: Z> Can you please give me a hint how to use find to search for a specific Z> text within files? People have mentioned using xargs in combination with find, but if you're dealing with Windows files on a server, be prepared for every kind of crap character in the filename you can imagine. Use nulls to delimit the filenames, i.e.: find . -mtime +7 -print0 | xargs -0 grep -i foo The GNU versions of find and xargs support the "0" options as well. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company iPod changed my life. Earbuds made me look so cool! Now I am stone deaf. --geek haiku From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 23:10:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70A9106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15048FC12 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E4A50AF2 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 00:10:14 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3EsbX1EFlCU1 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 00:10:04 +0100 (BST) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D847250AC4; Sun, 31 May 2009 00:10:03 +0100 (BST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090530231003.D847250AC4@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 00:10:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2009-05-30 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:16 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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RECENT ARTICLES: 2-Dec : Obscuring smtp auth headers If you consider your smtp-auth location to be private, this is what you want. http://freebsddiary.org/smtp-headers-rewrite-auth.php?2 29-Nov : OpenVPN - creating a routed VPN If you have multiple VPN clients, this is a practical solution. http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-routed.php?2 27-Nov : Creating your own Certificate Authority How to create a CA and generate your own SSL certificates http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-easy-rsa.php?2 27-Nov : OpenVPN - getting it running Using OpenVPN to create a secure pathway between home and office http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn.php?2 5-Oct : Removing dead mailing lists from Mailman Mailing lists can outlive their usefulness http://freebsddiary.org/mailman-removing-dead-lists.php?2 30-Aug : gmirror - recovering from a failed HDD an HDD failed. gmirror to the rescue. http://freebsddiary.org/gmirror-failure.php?2 6-Jul : ezjail - A jail administration framework This makes jails easier http://freebsddiary.org/ezjail.php?2 24-Jun : Adding gmirror to an existing installation Adding RAID-1 to an existing FreeBSD 7 installation http://freebsddiary.org/gmirror.php?2 20-Mar : ThinkPad x61s Unpacking the box, installing PC-BSD http://freebsddiary.org/thinkpad-x61s.php?2 17-Mar : Using two monitors with X.org The GeForce 8600 GT with two monitors http://freebsddiary.org/xorg-two-screens.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 23:22:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2866106566B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0338FC16 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEA43D01D; Sun, 31 May 2009 01:22:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4UNM4Pf004945; Sun, 31 May 2009 01:22:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 01:22:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Glen Barber Message-Id: <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:22:12 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2009 18:55:15 -0400, Glen Barber wrote: > For (my own) clarity sake, won't that take up space in '/'? (Not > arguing, just never thought of using /opt on FreeBSD...) This depends on your file system layout, Glen. If you put everything into one partition, i. e. /, then everything is going into /. If you have separate partitions, e. g. /, /tmp, /var, /usr and /home, then /opt would take space on /. On most installations that use this approach, / is "as big as needed" for what it is used: the basic SUM stuff and mountpoints, nothing more. Of couse, it's possible to extend the approach mentioned to have another partition for /opt. In order to not to deal with this problem, one could even make a symlink /opt@ -> /usr/local2. To summarize: You are correct. :-) By the way, I've not seen anyone using /opt on FreeBSD yet, I just wanted to mention that it is possible. (There are other "Solarisisms" that I've already seen, such as /export on FreeBSD which is usually used on Solaris for NFS shares.) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 23:42:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB046106567B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BE88FC1A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:42:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so6946730bwz.43 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:42:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8s0c/6s/VUdmf8VakdS2h0g81gvRWjK6SKvQDDp6SaM=; b=gqF6hsUhFVwUhRAN0yrCifEszaoR7fdUXdiYkG7nnLSSPK6xHHkZJHgyXcHDK77c4M KVJCkjvox+PVh/xaMQYomeAYf6svEEzBV9qivQ4fQ5YKdcAc7vap3CiVBVnoyU9T6sHK YV57IHhD6cP1r60jj1xz9LS9rpBUg5zqf06jg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eOxiaBXMy/xnBCfXsigzUt06TMgyT7uSzFbwWEFvhNUEi9IZaO/yjPznEMrA/+w784 H6F2QCfzhiOLY+PJzH2yNS1ELi8tRl1y72VmtFmyEEmUKQi+nD/rSCYaG+nXNa0wg46s Q0nxnNLg1qUGeqR+6iP1Xj5NTiVe5Rj7YRHDQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.102.14 with SMTP id e14mr3929149bko.183.1243726937423; Sat, 30 May 2009 16:42:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:42:17 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905301642w74c912eam953d4d9f63a8916a@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:42:20 -0000 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 30 May 2009 18:55:15 -0400, Glen Barber = wrote: >> For (my own) clarity sake, won't that take up space in '/'? =A0(Not >> arguing, just never thought of using /opt on FreeBSD...) > > This depends on your file system layout, Glen. If you put > everything into one partition, i. e. /, then everything is > going into /. > Ah, yes. I forgot people do that -- hence my question. :) --=20 Glen Barber