From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 00:26:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7217A106566C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:26:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22448FC13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1266722fxm.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=wbpt+mCVwDkSVi+67TmQxlgHUIp/FHrq1tvX0IIvLis=; b=npP/2+w5hGG0xV8qGwiztZe8KhhNFTf+meS6P8f6LLLGDhMNgSRWYLL8yYGCmAodPp 1OFZ2598vc5drel7kIf/wXx8RKqw2ZlYoBvPhetLFUsUmNnX9ajXEy84uFQ4dde9KmGe 74MbsLG6aiRaqRjA4llYK08zt0AmlUYs12bKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=bh+LvUJ8ppEnugvHitAb1YMnTv+mT/FwSRr2Hkp5NiBBUrVKEHn72QjpmZBTBduu5q BS8n0schLj7X4XjuGL3rWxiOyqT1Zv+Rs4uvjwdF8AMWjlkAjTjK2a//OofjqA4lbDVO loX6jsYkYnmbX9q3QTFn9DOMRsABw+gL9z67s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.21.215 with SMTP id k23mr503167fab.88.1308443185767; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.74.198 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:26:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:26:27 -0000 On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Polytropon wrote: > In the example make.conf, the following section can be found: > > # Currently the following CPU types are recognized: > # Intel x86 architecture: > # (AMD CPUs) opteron athlon64 athlon-mp athlon-xp athlon-4 > # athlon-tbird athlon k8 k6-3 k6-2 k6 k5 > # (Intel CPUs) core2 core nocona pentium4m pentium4 prescott > # pentium3m pentium3 pentium-m pentium2 > # pentiumpro pentium-mmx pentium i486 i386 > # (Via CPUs) c3 c3-2 > # Alpha/AXP architecture: ev67 ev6 pca56 ev56 ev5 ev45 ev4 > # AMD64 architecture: opteron, athlon64, nocona, prescott, core2 > # Intel ia64 architecture: itanium2, itanium > # > # (?= allows to buildworld for a different CPUTYPE.) > > As dmesg indicates I have a "Intel(R) Core(TM)2" as indicated > by dmesg, I thought > > CPUTYPE=core2 > > would be the correct setting. Maybe it's not? > Here's a guess, I seem to remember another with a similar situation. The core2 support is rather new, as in very new. The current compiler on your system doesn't support it, although one build from sources should. If IIRC, the original thread contained a workaround, but simply setting it to core for now should be fine, and you can change it once the world is installed. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 00:46:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97209106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:46:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw09.mailroute.net [199.89.0.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBE18FC16 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33697138578; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:46:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D90C138499; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:46:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 762C43FD5; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Eir Nym References: x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.8.8; tzolkin = 11 Lamat; haab = 16 Zotz Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:46:54 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Eir Nym's message of "Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:31:26 +0400") Message-ID: <86r56q4phd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS and cp -x X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:46:56 -0000 >>>>> "Eir" == Eir Nym writes: Eir> Does `cp -x` works correctly on ZFS? Is "cp -x" new? Not in my 8.1 manpages. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 00:57:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40C4106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:57:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851C78FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0B23C7ED; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:57:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5J0vnMb001962; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:57:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:57:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Adam Vande More Message-Id: <20110619025749.a7868bc3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:57:51 -0000 On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:26:25 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > Here's a guess, I seem to remember another with a similar situation. The > core2 support is rather new, as in very new. The current compiler on your > system doesn't support it, although one build from sources should. If IIRC, > the original thread contained a workaround, but simply setting it to core > for now should be fine, and you can change it once the world is installed. Okay, I'm currently using CPUTYPE=core to compile the system. After that, I'll check if the (new) system compiler (not from ports!) will be able to do the same run using CPUTYPE=core2. Thanks for the hint! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 01:00:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7BC106568C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9E78FC19 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CE3E19; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:00:10 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Message-ID: <76D551F7A37C1199210A945C@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <86r56q4phd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86r56q4phd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS and cp -x X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:00:27 -0000 --As of June 18, 2011 5:46:54 PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz is alleged to have said: > Is "cp -x" new? Not in my 8.1 manpages. --As for the rest, it is mine. The online man page viewer shows it in 8.1, but not 8.0. So, it looks like a gnu-ism that got brought over for 8.1, according to the manpage histories. It's also slightly confusing in the docs: the man page only says 'File System mounts are not traversed'. It probably would be worth noting that it only has any effect with -R, as that's the only time when you are trying to copy files from multiple mountpoints. It would have cleared up for me that it doesn't mean you can't copy *to* a different mountpoint. ;) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 01:05:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669431065675 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C4E8FC13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBF93CC51 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:05:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5J15AOW002125 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:05:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:05:10 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:05:12 -0000 This happened with CPUTYPE=core after 11 minutes: -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 4.2: building libraries -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=amd64 MACHINE=amd64 CPUT YPE=core GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin GROFF_FONT_PATH=/u sr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/groff_font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src /tmp/legacy/usr/share/tmac _SHLIBDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp VERSION="FreeB SD 8.2-PRERELEASE amd64 802500" INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" PATH=/u sr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/ usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/ usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin NO_CTF=1 ma ke -f Makefile.inc1 DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp -DNO_FSCHG -DWITHOUT_HTML -DWIT HOUT_INFO -DNO_LINT -DWITHOUT_MAN -DWITHOUT_PROFILE libraries cd /usr/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 _prereq_libs; make -f Makefile.inc1 _startu p_libs; make -f Makefile.inc1 _prebuild_libs; make -f Makefile.inc1 _generic_l ibs; ===> gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshared (obj,depend,all,install) rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshare d/.. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshared/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libs sp -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshared/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/includ e -DPIC /usr/src/gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshared/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/lib ssp/ssp-local.c cc -O2 -pipe -march=core -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonsha red/.. -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshared/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/l ibssp -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshared/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/in clude -fPIC -DPIC -fvisibility=hidden -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c /usr/src/ gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshared/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libssp/ssp-local.c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshared/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libssp/ssp- local.c:1: error: bad value (core) for -march= switch /usr/src/gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshared/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libssp/ssp- local.c:1: error: bad value (core) for -mtune= switch *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/lib/libssp/libssp_nonshared. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Seems that neither "core" and "core2" are fully supported. Which CPUTYPE should be used for Intel Core2 4300 then, or can it be omitted without problems? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 01:09:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742A01065675 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:09:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4976D8FC16 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75428E1D; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:09:18 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: cjr@cruwe.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <03017E79B6B5A7016CDBEBD6@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:09:19 -0000 --As of June 19, 2011 12:29:02 AM +0200, Christopher J. Ruwe is alleged to have said: > (The server is a rented virtual machine.) Am I right that I need to set > the rDNS of 188.40.164.98 to mail.cruwe.de to make the freebsd.org > servers accept my mail or that, should I set the rDNS to cruwe.de, I > should make the mailer on mail.cruwe.de identify itself as cruwe.de > instead of mail.cruwe.de? > > Anyway, thank you very much for your help, --As for the rest, it is mine. In postfix, the relevant setting is 'myhostname' in main.cf for the hostname. >From my experience, it doesn't have to match the rDNS. It needs to match the MX record. But, you should be able to see what they are saying as a rejection notice from your logs. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 01:44:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A840D1065672 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:44:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2D28FC13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so3872522vxc.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:44:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.215.193 with SMTP id hf1mr1536234vcb.4.1308447851981; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.80.144 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.183.59] In-Reply-To: <20110619004303.c6f68a52.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619004303.c6f68a52.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:44:11 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Frank Shute , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:44:13 -0000 On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:15 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: >> I think we have to wait for somebody to write a Skype clone and >> hopefully MS taking over Skype will provide the impetus (MS will drop >> the linux port as soon as they can). > > Some time ago I've read (at least I _think_ I read it) that > someone reverse-engineered the Skype protocol, so there maybe > is the chance that a free Skype alternative, being compatible > with Skype, will be created. I guess, we don't need to mimic Skype's proprietary protocol, because that would create patent-related problems in some parts of the world. What we need though, that's a WORKING and robust NAT traversal technique, be it in Ekiga or any other SIP-based softphone. Because that's what prevents them for working reliably everywhere. This is an interesting research project: http://www.goto.info.waseda.ac.jp/~wei/file/wei-apan-v10.pdf -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 01:52:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D714106566B for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E028FC0C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1285882fxm.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:52:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uTeFK5IJE28BXDNkHCTaGacBX9iNEtQx5+sybUydi8A=; b=TiTdciH09vFhQGhcwWlpbbZgbE3rc3eQ2iOE+NF3YUEqtj3qY6pepWS5MkWV++sS8f XZgKgwFHsGoTdinAVBbEcd/GllfrqliOXHSM26UfuLFUueV1kkeJdMEWBZKyKifngVir kxHgvER9QvNJE+cnJUNWbfUPIP0p/21ghNsQ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=k4lLBLM8VWTW9HqvOsBL3GZaXn6SxZhSfYCyYgc9oWk3b5YbwZYygpU353efa3l3FD s0zyhSOyeYQTeyeuOArRLEvqa8Sd7MH1/PegcjQAdZPYDZBt2YtfPQsMmBqNUml3nTNH x/2+tYxAZKed6a8JRD8J33yGJVXHD11+CSb6U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.43.145 with SMTP id w17mr4132071fae.12.1308448326413; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.74.198 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:52:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:52:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:52:08 -0000 On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Polytropon wrote: > Seems that neither "core" and "core2" are fully supported. Which > CPUTYPE should be used for Intel Core2 4300 then, or can it be > omitted without problems? > I've used core successfully for years. Did you clean any potential conflicts? What happens if you just comment out CPUTYPE for this run after the clean out? -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 02:00:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EACF10656AA for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97B38FC1A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5J20nDX000573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5J20nsf000572 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA11248; Sat, 18 Jun 11 18:52:18 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:51:57 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <4dfd563d.IqfwMUCBOY6OTPc3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: upgrading the root FS to read-write X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:00:51 -0000 After booting 8.1-RELEASE single-user, what must I do to upgrade the root FS mount from read-only to read-write? I have tried: # mount -u -o rw / # mount -u / # mount -u -w / and even # mount -u -w /dev/mirror/gm0a.journal / I don't get any error messages, but the FS remains read-only. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 02:36:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD75106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:36:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7040B8FC0C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E033CC6C; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:36:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5J2a03V002521; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:36:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:35:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "C. P. Ghost" Message-Id: <20110619043559.7e1f3455.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619004303.c6f68a52.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:36:02 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:44:11 +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Polytropon wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:15 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: > >> I think we have to wait for somebody to write a Skype clone and > >> hopefully MS taking over Skype will provide the impetus (MS will drop > >> the linux port as soon as they can). > > > > Some time ago I've read (at least I _think_ I read it) that > > someone reverse-engineered the Skype protocol, so there maybe > > is the chance that a free Skype alternative, being compatible > > with Skype, will be created. > > I guess, we don't need to mimic Skype's proprietary protocol, because > that would create patent-related problems in some parts of the world. I don't see advantages in propretary protocols as of Skype. I just think I see the importance (as often found) that free software "has to" play nice with the proprietary ones, the established ones. Because users often require the free software to be "like" the proprietary one, this is one of the reasons that might make then switch. Often, it's not just about pure functionality (which, by the way, is the requirement to be met for anything to work properly), but it's also the usage share (cf. "market share") of a certain product, technology, protocol or program. However, working SIP telephony programs for FreeBSD would enable the system to do lots of magic things, especially in combination with let's say Asterisk PBX. There is lots of potential in it, and it will be more and more important in the future. > What we need though, that's a WORKING and robust NAT traversal > technique, be it in Ekiga or any other SIP-based softphone. Because > that's what prevents them for working reliably everywhere. This is an > interesting research project: > > http://www.goto.info.waseda.ac.jp/~wei/file/wei-apan-v10.pdf The article sounds interesting upon first sight - I'll read that in detail. Thanks! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 02:36:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0DC10656D4 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw09.mailroute.net [199.89.0.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91ED48FC16 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BB0138578 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:36:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786BE138499 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:36:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D997B31BC; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: FreeBSD Questions References: <86r56q4phd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <76D551F7A37C1199210A945C@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.8.8; tzolkin = 11 Lamat; haab = 16 Zotz Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:36:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: <76D551F7A37C1199210A945C@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> (Daniel Staal's message of "Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:00:10 -0400") Message-ID: <86ips24kf9.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ZFS and cp -x X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:36:13 -0000 >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Staal writes: Daniel> The online man page viewer shows it in 8.1, but not 8.0. So, it looks like a Daniel> gnu-ism that got brought over for 8.1, according to the manpage Daniel> histories. Not the first time the online manpage viewer has got it wrong as well. I suspect "8.1" there means "8.1 just before 8.2", and not "8.1 release". -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 02:38:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22255106566B for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BBD8FC14 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21653CAF3; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:38:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5J2cdtf002525; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:38:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:38:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Adam Vande More Message-Id: <20110619043839.b11b2559.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:38:41 -0000 On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:52:06 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > Seems that neither "core" and "core2" are fully supported. Which > > CPUTYPE should be used for Intel Core2 4300 then, or can it be > > omitted without problems? > > > > I've used core successfully for years. Did you clean any potential > conflicts? I'm sure I did. I have a minimal /etc/make.conf and I also remove /usr/obj (and "make clean") before any new attempt. > What happens if you just comment out CPUTYPE for this run after > the clean out? I'm currently trying that, the build is still running. The system as been initially installed as 8.1 from CD #1, then upgraded to 8.2-PRERELEASE as of January 1st (from source), and that's the system that's currently performing the build process. After I have (hopefully) successfully installed latest 8-STABLE, I'll see if CPUTYPE=core or CPUTYPE=core2 will then work. Are there alternative CPUTYPEs for the CPU in question? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 03:15:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53788106566C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94C48FC15 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5J3ER8c032428; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:14:27 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5J3EQcX032421; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:14:26 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1F59B33C1F; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:15:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:15:16 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20110619031516.GD21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619043839.b11b2559.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rqzD5py0kzyFAOWN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110619043839.b11b2559.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:15:19 -0000 --rqzD5py0kzyFAOWN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 04:38:39AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:52:06 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Polytropon wrote: > >=20 > > > Seems that neither "core" and "core2" are fully supported. Which > > > CPUTYPE should be used for Intel Core2 4300 then, or can it be > > > omitted without problems? > > > > >=20 > > I've used core successfully for years. Did you clean any potential > > conflicts?=20 >=20 > I'm sure I did. I have a minimal /etc/make.conf and I also > remove /usr/obj (and "make clean") before any new attempt. >=20 >=20 > > What happens if you just comment out CPUTYPE for this run after > > the clean out? >=20 > I'm currently trying that, the build is still running. The > system as been initially installed as 8.1 from CD #1, then > upgraded to 8.2-PRERELEASE as of January 1st (from source), > and that's the system that's currently performing the build > process. >=20 > After I have (hopefully) successfully installed latest 8-STABLE, > I'll see if CPUTYPE=3Dcore or CPUTYPE=3Dcore2 will then work. >=20 > Are there alternative CPUTYPEs for the CPU in question? >=20 I've used "nocona" with my core2 with satisfactory results. No idea if it produces faster code as I haven't tested. Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --rqzD5py0kzyFAOWN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk39acMACgkQHduKvUAgeK5l2ACgixgjRMQ4JxFafYuSl9PZQIzu mqgAn1OXVwXilHb7Eta1S7rxyyZUmk1Z =KnU7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rqzD5py0kzyFAOWN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 03:40:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BD1106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A609A8FC1C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F28B1E3B8; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:40:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5J3eqWH002697; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:40:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:40:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Frank Shute Message-Id: <20110619054052.fe43bf10.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110619031516.GD21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619043839.b11b2559.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619031516.GD21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:40:55 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:15:16 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: > I've used "nocona" with my core2 with satisfactory results. Is there a list that states which CPU should be used with (at least) which CPUTYPE setting? Meanwhile, the build process stopped after nearly 2 hours with the following error: cc -c -O2 -frename-registers -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -std=c99 -Wall -Wredun dant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer- arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostd inc -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTI ON_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline- unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcm odel=kernel -mno-red-zone -mfpmath=387 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -mno-mmx -m no-3dnow -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -fstack-pr otector -Werror /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_smb_callback': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:131: warning: implicit declaration of function 'mtx_lock' /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:131: warning: nested extern declaration of 'mtx _lock' /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:131: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in th is function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:131: error: (Each undeclared identifier is repo rted only once /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:131: error: for each function it appears in.) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:136: warning: implicit declaration of function 'mtx_unlock' /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:136: warning: nested extern declaration of 'mtx _unlock' /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_iic_callback': sr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:168: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in th is function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_iic_reset': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:195: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in th is function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_iic_setsda': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:208: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in th is function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_iic_setscl': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:225: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in th is function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_iic_getsda': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:243: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in th is function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_write': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:260: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in th is function) /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c: In function 'bti2c_smb_readb': /usr/src/sys/dev/bktr/bktr_i2c.c:330: error: 'Giant' undeclared (first use in th is function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EC1056. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. I intended to keep my TV (and video) capturing card in use, accoding to "pciconf -lv" it's a Conexant (Was: Brooktree Corp) "7610144D&REV_02\4&1F7DBC9F&0&09F0 TV Video Capture" which worked on 7-STABLE/i386 (and still does), so I added the following to my kernel config for 8.2: device bktr options BROOKTREE_SYSTEM_DEFAULT=BROOKTREE_PAL options BKTR_USE_PLL options BKTR_GPIO_ACCESS options BKTR_USE_FREEBSD_SMBUS I also have the dependencies (smbus) for this device added. Is there a known problem with this (admittedly oldfashioned) hardware on 8-STABLE/amd64 I should know of? In the meantime, I'll also comment out this piece of hardware and try again from start. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 05:10:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8114E106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696318FC0C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5J53Zjt019265 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:03:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4DFD84AE.20203@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:10:06 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How are conflicts between packages resolved? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:10:07 -0000 I see the messages like below. One package depends on unixODBC, and it can't be installed because the other packages install files in the same place. So what is the general solution? I don't think this situation is normal, when some packages are mutually exclusive. Yuri ---- log ---- ===> unixODBC-2.3.0_1 conflicts with installed package(s): libiodbc-3.52.7 virtuoso-6.1.3 They install files into the same place. You may want to stop build with Ctrl + C. ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE ===> unixODBC-2.3.0_1 conflicts with installed package(s): libiodbc-3.52.7 virtuoso-6.1.3 They will not build together. Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1). *** Error code 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 05:10:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23ECA1065670 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31938FC13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [88.217.21.21] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYAHd-0007BK-ML; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:10:53 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5J5AvUM002220; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:10:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p5J5Au1p002219; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:10:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:10:56 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Frank Shute Message-ID: <20110619051056.GA2205@tinyCurrent> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD1992.9070307@rawbw.com> <20110618223202.GC21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20110618223202.GC21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 88.217.21.21 Cc: Yuri , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:10:58 -0000 El día Saturday, June 18, 2011 a las 11:32:02PM +0100, Frank Shute escribió: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 02:33:06PM -0700, Yuri wrote: > > > > > > Actually, ekiga is GTK app and isn't supposed to use any Qt. > > That's what I thought before I started building it but it dragged in > all the qt stuff for some reason! I was a bit disgusted at the time as > it had been advertised as a Gnome app. > > I've just tried rebuilding it but it bombs out in net/opal with C++ > compiler errors. No signs of the KDE menu I was presented with when I > last built it. > > Maybe I built the wrong port first time around by mistake... Try this for building ekiga from SVN/git: http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Compile_your_own_SVN_version_of_Ekiga_on_FreeBSD It does use GTK and works in FreeBSD. matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 05:24:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D83B106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1848FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5J5Hp9N020974; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4DFD8805.8000309@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:24:21 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD1992.9070307@rawbw.com> <20110618223202.GC21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619051056.GA2205@tinyCurrent> In-Reply-To: <20110619051056.GA2205@tinyCurrent> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Frank Shute , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:24:26 -0000 On 06/18/2011 22:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Try this for building ekiga from SVN/git: > > http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Compile_your_own_SVN_version_of_Ekiga_on_FreeBSD > > It does use GTK and works in FreeBSD. > This HOWTO is truly amazing. Why don't they just fix the FreeBSD port instead of writing whole HOWTO? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 05:27:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12B2106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710468FC16 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so3049728iwr.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:27:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0t45Pr7XFmXsKsSB7FsSVMszpt47+fTuZPzKCfJsCzM=; b=cSH19kYjbXWKkZ1nF1axATniBWaOdHamu0OywDt2b+/5ZKok7aTSgnMw5QL84+KjkH 2x2lfWQxfVpmztAaeJJKn10NQukdZKTRevf9b6khM6Gu711wBp3be89fi6ztzHsWqTYA Q+QTc2A9lVBvzhX9l5fhx2vNY6GRnZVp64AoU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YUxUnxmAlZX+/MEYCst1hCfxCLrrHFkK26ozxGraIcByWjCOhRYvKqLgU0HFkcljKy 59b2iNUMNv9oirsP0edkUi0k43rvqRe+G1Ellb4az2bVLV02dXvaeaGmI1CQQ7dVSAUh f9Pt92aqIESm/sW/P8zfVNBCOdqXN8YYQCDZc= Received: by 10.42.140.66 with SMTP id j2mr3642233icu.215.1308461251589; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (c-98-212-201-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net [98.212.201.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j1sm2407763ibg.38.2011.06.18.22.27.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DFD88A0.6060600@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:26:56 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619043839.b11b2559.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110619043839.b11b2559.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:27:32 -0000 On 6/18/2011 9:38 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:52:06 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Polytropon wrote: >> >>> Seems that neither "core" and "core2" are fully supported. Which >>> CPUTYPE should be used for Intel Core2 4300 then, or can it be >>> omitted without problems? >>> >> >> I've used core successfully for years. Did you clean any potential >> conflicts? > > I'm sure I did. I have a minimal /etc/make.conf and I also > remove /usr/obj (and "make clean") before any new attempt. > > > >> What happens if you just comment out CPUTYPE for this run after >> the clean out? > > I'm currently trying that, the build is still running. The > system as been initially installed as 8.1 from CD #1, then > upgraded to 8.2-PRERELEASE as of January 1st (from source), > and that's the system that's currently performing the build > process. > > After I have (hopefully) successfully installed latest 8-STABLE, > I'll see if CPUTYPE=core or CPUTYPE=core2 will then work. > > Are there alternative CPUTYPEs for the CPU in question? > > Just use native. I build ports with -march=native and -mtune=native. I leave the base alone because I don't know if I'll ever need to downgrade from my athlon II(k10) to my sempron(k8) and recompile all my ports. Of course that should only matter if clang supports sse4 and I build with clang. 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Belgium BE0859635972. abuse-en@netlog.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 06:19:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAB4106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89F78FC15 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [88.217.21.21] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYBLv-000219-Lg; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:19:23 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5J6JRmP002406; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:19:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p5J6JOr7002405; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:19:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:19:19 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Yuri Message-ID: <20110619061919.GA2336@tinyCurrent> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD1992.9070307@rawbw.com> <20110618223202.GC21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619051056.GA2205@tinyCurrent> <4DFD8805.8000309@rawbw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4DFD8805.8000309@rawbw.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 88.217.21.21 Cc: Frank Shute , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:19:27 -0000 El día Saturday, June 18, 2011 a las 10:24:21PM -0700, Yuri escribió: > On 06/18/2011 22:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Try this for building ekiga from SVN/git: > > > > http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Compile_your_own_SVN_version_of_Ekiga_on_FreeBSD > > > > It does use GTK and works in FreeBSD. > > > > This HOWTO is truly amazing. Why don't they just fix the FreeBSD port > instead of writing whole HOWTO? Note, I have not said that the port is not working, I have not tried the ports of ekiga/ptlib/opal for a long time. Ports are based on released versions/snapshots and when I started in 2008 with Ekiga because I wanted to have something working together with our Polycon video conference system, it just did not worked (for example the device detection of the video cam in PTlib was Linux 'oriented'). That's why I started from SVN and provided as well fixes upstream for ekiga. We should get rid of Skype and use something Open Source for IM (like Pidgin and Ekiga). matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 06:22:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA10106566B for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:22:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCAE8FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5J6Mq0l088827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:22:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5J6Mq0l088827 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1308464573; bh=KuPOiVPI0DrMqRdfPd7gCq/AQA+nNu5XI1tdiinSuZQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4DFD95B2.7050603@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2019=20Jun=202011=2007:22:42=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.17)=20Gecko/20110414=20Thunderbird/3.1.10|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20unable=20 to=20reach=20bsd-lists=20via=20mail|References:=20<20110618175357. 29f06cb1@dijkstra>=09<201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net>=20<201106 19002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra>|In-Reply-To:=20<20110619002902.694eb6d 0@dijkstra>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|C ontent-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20 protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"---- --------enigDD2AE0C0EA9444FF38D8211A"; b=Evmr0zNiHtvkIgzqZauBghPZsOxSwlaRJXkg4Ca5lZNf39F6gOyRTCsFxnGyW8N5G Gs7JGSwmMRxmeDb+klGYkg5NFffFnwWzu8jHa6e3Z3k5k0IpUjN8uSy3Z+ugnp9Kh9 k3tCizx5eGAROKYXZDpgoz0qm19xtHFeCxfgKkHs= Message-ID: <4DFD95B2.7050603@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:22:42 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDD2AE0C0EA9444FF38D8211A" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP, SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:22:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDD2AE0C0EA9444FF38D8211A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/06/2011 23:29, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > The mailer answers "220 mail.cruwe.de ESMTP Postfix" when telnet'ed, so= > I guess that is what the mailer returns as hostname. >=20 > I did not know about that DNS/rDNS issue ... You need the name your mail server HELOs as to resolve both forwards and reverse --- mail.cruwe.de IN A 188.40.164.98 98.164.40.188.in-addr.arpa IN PTR mail.cruwe.de That's the thing the FreeBSD mail servers look for[*]. You don't need an A record for cruwe.de at all (at least, not for the purposes of sending e-mail) MX records are all that is required so that addresses of the form @cruwe.de will work: cruwe.de IN MX 10 mail.cruwe.de Cheers, Matthew [*] This HELO name doesn't have to be anything to do with the e-mail addresses you use, so you could take the lazy path and use vs532.sys-central.de for this purpose seeing as it already has the correct forward and reverse mappings. Mind you, that means you won't be able to insert SPF records or other e-mail related bits as the zone doesn't belong to you. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigDD2AE0C0EA9444FF38D8211A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk39lbsACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxQUgCfS0DGxy7dNk4ptsibwHD8D54g aUEAn0JjGzjkJyWagjdnDwTAjYneGZAh =Mb4X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDD2AE0C0EA9444FF38D8211A-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 06:50:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72A4106566B for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:50:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eirnym@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3CA8FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so147825iyb.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:50:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dlzyTWbqL3JaM0zhqCGYfdsI5pRB9BqYDAGhDRwpsqY=; b=qUNqyqX50Kk+Y0WTvjSZtercuUhQCOn6u2X3+sO4AcCTGo1uEcCUdtST/39geH0DDh NSIbCqaw0AhZo+5/WkdQSDqjFEDXBrbIuJPFgzUf4KbdLoRahkkbg38Yf6zg83C/Sa6q wgwb9WCrTmi/4DFOLaxZg1mPky3EKGoJkUdzM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Q6oGpi9A/EyCtqFE2se0vpNH8Ngn8tF7pXAJPpv5jcr5JGv6OWtxjZkHdM2Oafs+JQ innC8y1yFUw2QYcifKKEwYDJTP4HLsAJpPYj0o6tk7Hg2aHhutyteCk+9cANbIhnF14U Gn3Foef8p7i0CVTSuEgM6xHyNma4yGEqvxKrA= Received: by 10.42.130.130 with SMTP id v2mr4659642ics.233.1308466218080; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:50:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.52.65 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:49:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eir Nym Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:49:58 +0400 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: ZFS and cp -x X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:50:19 -0000 On 19 June 2011 02:17, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of June 16, 2011 5:31:26 PM +0400, Eir Nym is alleged to have said: > >> Does `cp -x` works correctly on ZFS? > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > Yes, it does. =C2=A0Sorry, I meant to test this for you earlier, but forg= ot... > ok, my story is: I have Zpool v28, zfs mount contains: zpoo/usr/ports /usr/ports zpool/usr/ports/distfiles /usr/ports/distfiles when I try to cp -Rx, distfiles will be copied too. -- Eir Nym > Daniel T. Staal > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. =C2=A0Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. =C2=A0This copyright will > expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 06:54:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE94106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:54:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eirnym@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85AB8FC12 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so149400iyb.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:54:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GKmIAYdlasBurXFxBetQyb9EcZfAhLzqW3zTNMO2p/U=; b=BoM23PTUmVsiCiTGdVCGHYRApi4+u5AUuzga/SqO6jzFUZa3Mp5e6/WIH4qKEtjDNN k2dFtju8SuiPp0rnKUlXNLksehOObXskIDOxKriXyc81NiLI95Xaks4AU4W7QLqMXs1w R6pXQ2EGpSudY/UsWwDcveanaSOwNF9HaOg/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=It6icfNnvvvIx+tgf11DiAJWspTV9waZCfAR8D4AyBeOldw8kSF4y3RSVqfbCPjjqx ddzN5bPACRQS4S3svElgvCE+drG6iKQUBjP7GQ5sOc/FX030o8crbtyNrOSEeE1G6jGV BwO2+CXLL+xF6uIBrQUMggAdHSBDmVTEnaCog= Received: by 10.42.178.69 with SMTP id bl5mr4025630icb.300.1308466465094; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:54:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.52.65 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:54:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86r56q4phd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86r56q4phd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> From: Eir Nym Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:54:05 +0400 Message-ID: To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS and cp -x X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:54:26 -0000 On 19 June 2011 04:46, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Eir" =3D=3D Eir Nym writes: > > Eir> Does `cp -x` works correctly on ZFS? > > Is "cp -x" new? =C2=A0Not in my 8.1 manpages. > This flag become available in 9.0, 8.1 and 7.4 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dcp&apropos=3D0&sektion=3D0&manpa= th=3DFreeBSD+8.1-RELEASE&format=3Dhtml -- Eir Nym > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 00= 95 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 07:13:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CA81065673 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wisam.haider@live.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E3E8FC17 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY165-DS6 ([65.54.190.125]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:01:55 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [95.170.221.10] X-Originating-Email: [wisam.haider@live.com] Message-ID: From: Wisam Haider To: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:01:54 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AcwuToT0oJ+CMZxARki7OL1a2WRS4A== Content-Language: ar-iq X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2011 07:01:55.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6745020:01CC2E4E] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Correct file name X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:13:56 -0000 Dear FreeBSD team; Great work you are doing, however there is a typo error File ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.2/FreeBSD-8.2- RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso.xz I think the file type should be GZ not XZ. Regards Wisam Haider Senior Network Engineer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 07:41:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E11B1065672 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wisam.haider@live.com) Received: from bay0-omc4-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882218FC13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY165-DS5 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:41:42 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [95.170.221.10] X-Originating-Email: [wisam.haider@live.com] Message-ID: From: Wisam Haider To: "'Christer Solskogen'" , "'Rob Byrnes'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:41:41 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJtn3cnlwCQ2dqLp8qR2BI+MjPB8AKn98TVk2wpfJA= Content-Language: ar-iq X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2011 07:41:42.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[55114EF0:01CC2E54] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Correct file name X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:41:42 -0000 My bad, I just rush into conclusion, sorry for that -----Original Message----- From: Christer Solskogen [mailto:christer.solskogen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:20 AM To: Wisam Haider Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Correct file name On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Wisam Haider = wrote: > =A0 =A0Great work you are doing, however there is a typo error > > File > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.2/FreeBSD-8= .2- > RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso.xz > > I think the file type should be GZ not XZ. > Nothing wrong there. Use xz instead of gunzip2 to unpack it. --=20 chs, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 07:50:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3825A1065670 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:50:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christer.solskogen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02EE8FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so249786vws.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:50:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uhl/4RYTbiUyfjFGyAs5zugWZZ+M0RYOknBqcwbCcbA=; b=ZvVEclRQea+OjARRJmgsldW3MiEM8eZY41RQhZdIRq+AYSFI4r7HdnJDffAnHEEvVE 7rasBLEU1kHd+PYcsJG4c/OjdvBUQhJh7BqYQbsd7h59nzAdFaY82rntiPdp7WYnMUFn Y7jwAD0agHXFKcZh7e0fVYjGGaun8rt8fGnwU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hoAjKQ+icqZjKdMJpT168uEiyuoQ7BOBU3/y6QuembjQImQzk0kQgWh4te8YyU9yUM L/LUsFX9wG6WbbrV/ll3+8zgjk2uncBb7oZ3WV9dvVP1IeCzJTu2LaWYzgUJ6fABgQqO Qi5DdtA1Fde2oMzaQYuZ/vSPOW7K96AjKyqlU= Received: by 10.52.115.232 with SMTP id jr8mr5287521vdb.38.1308468033113; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:20:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.185.226 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:20:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Christer Solskogen Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:20:13 +0200 Message-ID: To: Wisam Haider Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Correct file name X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:50:11 -0000 On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Wisam Haider wrote= : > =A0 =A0Great work you are doing, however there is a typo error > > File > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.2/FreeBSD-8= .2- > RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso.xz > > I think the file type should be GZ not XZ. > Nothing wrong there. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:25:45 -0000 --Sig_/bNKV2c8Kvqiy.LuR0izVO=8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:15 +0100 Frank Shute articulated: > I think we have to wait for somebody to write a Skype clone and > hopefully MS taking over Skype will provide the impetus (MS will drop > the linux port as soon as they can). Yes, more FUD. No one, including the OP has ever produced a single shred of proof that Microsoft would discontinue support for operating systems other than its own. While it certainly has every legal right to do so, it would be counter productive to seriously entertain that notion. While they would most likely would not produce any binaries specific to FreeBSD, but then again, no one else ever did either, supplying binaries for Linux would certainly be advantageous. The frame work is all ready in place and there does not appear to be any movement or reason to disassemble it A simple check on the business model of "Skype" in Microsoft's software arsenal would lead one to the conclusion that continuing Skype support/development on non-Windows operating systems was advantageous. No one has come forth with a suitable thesis to dispute those facts although the usual "sky is falling" from the usual naysayers is still prevalent. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html --Sig_/bNKV2c8Kvqiy.LuR0izVO=8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN/dy0AAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFirAIAIR4zuo7PPCq226/0Vv0JBoG E65z//DwIzucj7OSzudRAkrzPjWKWoHN6xCIrgFjl56AHZzJi701BFsTUD1+VFPx xWHingsk/plcPjRXxJVDCDEzk10WfC4Feltn5gNmILg/MZiPH0snGVliD6sRJQag ftb5L3gM8Pa0GcpiLjTw/bh5VTBFOo8pbh6w9t1aKAnS38K6+tnsyNGZWL7BlUTd Pccbo9mnU7Nw/k9W4H5VNOM136wr/w5Fq7yz5o01ZUcKVUDhwo5VhiJFjxBKnf7n HXn3OG5Q2lqXMWThvhl9bLSI1GoZwAHlODvJ4RV/wIM6kS6RWszzsdz2WlF4BDA= =/bLy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/bNKV2c8Kvqiy.LuR0izVO=8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 11:27:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEB81065678 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "") Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com (rcsinet10.oracle.com [148.87.113.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EB08FC1C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p5JBRAQa032761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:27:12 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5JBR9xl007114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:27:10 GMT Received: from abhmt010.oracle.com (abhmt010.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p5JBR4QT015190 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:27:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7c5c9d52-465f-4996-a5ce-0894c24dfef6@default> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:27:04 -0700 (PDT) From: dave.segleau@oracle.com To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4DFDDD10.00B5:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 Subject: Auto Reply: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? 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I will read and reply to your message when I get back to the of= fice.=20 If you need assistance with a Berkeley DB or Product Management issue while= I am away, please contact ashok.joshi@oracle.com.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 11:38:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938FA106566B for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:38:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43ADF8FC14 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so135951vxg.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.18.72 with SMTP id u8mr2169543vdd.290.1308483487940; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bt2sm1442491vdc.36.2011.06.19.04.38.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Qxtbx5gc2z2CG44 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:38:05 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110619073805.3f5948b9@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201106190952.p5J9qFp3031036@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201106190952.p5J9qFp3031036@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: {SPAM} New games for you X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:38:09 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:52:15 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > Anybody running procmail who is tired of this Netlog cr*p (thanks to > one Elias Shashati, who subscribed the questions mailing list to > their service) is welcome to use the procmail recipe that I have > posted at: Interestingly enough, WOT rates that site "very poor" and displays a warning when it is visited. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 11:45:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C428106566C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32188FC15 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4939E64C5; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:45:24 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=AoJofMwUL5oB vpj8BZ1vLrpCkiA=; b=jT8eiPR/NJUuUQIbqIlf8y8wjm/f8LZ6F3E4aanL9KfW uHZdLjADlTJ/tUY/YUVW+Fcnntdut8pcjOpBE5d+onKzHnZvwd66QeDsyU+EAZzU lVOzkjCKSl9qE++AsJ5EGP5aQlxLspBd5V7VWrKAEKJN979BybgniT2yTd6p4vg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=TWZYHw URiK8EdkxmA0Fv9O3wjXLyfBs28psWcY7rxOaRjkAVFe6w3kXoeNTe2OxE0oc43t b+keGXzSrmSRp55XbWX2mLt8wbYGYk8GOHxBn7xPQabg3aSt6xpBmPNV/XQuNFFH XUIHscWFroKhlhcn4rfJIKBKS6xU+Ki4VasGc= Received: from [192.168.1.87] (188-222-18-231.zone13.bethere.co.uk [188.222.18.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B58EEE63C4; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:45:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4DFDE152.8050903@cran.org.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:45:22 +0100 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD References: <201106190952.p5J9qFp3031036@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20110619073805.3f5948b9@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110619073805.3f5948b9@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: {SPAM} New games for you X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:45:26 -0000 On 19/06/2011 12:38, Jerry wrote: > Interestingly enough, WOT rates that site "very > poor" and displays a warning when it is visited. I suspect some people like reporting sites as bad. Mine was reported as "not safe: has the trojan virus" and I had to ask Norton to re-check it before it marked it as OK. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 11:46:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20631065674 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFFB8FC16 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so329446vws.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.175.73 with SMTP id by9mr5502513vdc.154.1308483959557; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ck16sm1443264vdb.44.2011.06.19.04.45.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Qxtn122lSz2CG4b; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:45:56 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110619074556.03e346e7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <7c5c9d52-465f-4996-a5ce-0894c24dfef6@default> References: <7c5c9d52-465f-4996-a5ce-0894c24dfef6@default> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Dave Segleau , ashok.joshi@oracle.com Subject: Re: Auto Reply: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:46:01 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Dave Segleau articulated: > I am out of the office until June 20th. I will only have intermittent > access to email. I will read and reply to your message when I get > back to the office. > > If you need assistance with a Berkeley DB or Product Management issue > while I am away, please contact ashok.joshi@oracle.com. Yes, another malfunctioning / incorrectly configured "vacation / auto reply" program. I often wonder if anyone actually takes the few minutes required to check to make sure the program is working correctly. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 12:03:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8052A1065670 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:03:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D928FC19 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5JC3J4Q055456; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:03:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4DFDE587.5070500@bah.homeip.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:03:19 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> <4DFD95B2.7050603@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DFD95B2.7050603@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:03:24 -0000 2011-06-19 08:22, Matthew Seaman skrev: > On 18/06/2011 23:29, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: >> The mailer answers "220 mail.cruwe.de ESMTP Postfix" when telnet'ed, so >> I guess that is what the mailer returns as hostname. >> >> I did not know about that DNS/rDNS issue ... > > You need the name your mail server HELOs as to resolve both forwards and > reverse --- No. Our mailserver does not resolve DNS/rDNS and I can send mail without problems to freebsd.org. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 12:13:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C69106566B for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from ifdnrg30.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB4F8FC19 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.85] (93-97-172-73.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.172.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by ifdnrg30.ifdnrg.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5JCDMJV050306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:13:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Message-ID: <4DFDE7E2.1070404@ifdnrg.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:13:22 +0100 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> <4DFD95B2.7050603@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4DFDE587.5070500@bah.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <4DFDE587.5070500@bah.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:13:25 -0000 On 19/06/2011 13:03, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2011-06-19 08:22, Matthew Seaman skrev: >> On 18/06/2011 23:29, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: >>> The mailer answers "220 mail.cruwe.de ESMTP Postfix" when telnet'ed, so >>> I guess that is what the mailer returns as hostname. >>> >>> I did not know about that DNS/rDNS issue ... >> >> You need the name your mail server HELOs as to resolve both forwards and >> reverse --- > > No. Our mailserver does not resolve DNS/rDNS and I can send mail > without problems to freebsd.org. > > reverse dns is definately a good thing to have in place if you want your mail to be accepted by remote MTA's. I didn't see the OP post an error message in this thread, that would be a good place to start. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07534206249 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 12:29:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2B31065670 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrruwe@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f68.google.com (mail-fx0-f68.google.com [209.85.161.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04018FC14 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm15 with SMTP id 15so129443fxm.7 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:29:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UqUlwy1iAzs95i/T1rDS08lBc/VEVk2pAZfzXbO7pIo=; b=WGg8bpFNTS/2XUchNSHIkSLL1K3L8GOh4+YABbTEdJLHCOXedVQ+BqsFlDO+fYRWtX 48I61JBnL5lOfD8mEQufrCbp7I/P8lKjMjLAIQwCpmfsPd1iEa5uyzIvccnJogTN0uQ0 eDcVG8yYQOh+cud6z+9CNOsAzOfMJto8hy83o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BfHEV4Q2xOBEF8IhxHNSPeHGJoPIDXHYuAOp/3OYLBNC/RZhbH62uQGYQc6Rq/4aiZ Hm+itC9iM1uq27XfgXghyj1dEyHcyRS/xiKmbp2pe+gW/Pqkke5JSC1QRAB0UAgPo/i3 PtdDF7kmdLmMkIiJJhNoR3WIfbKfxWKBAbACQ= Received: by 10.223.57.5 with SMTP id a5mr4616206fah.90.1308486553630; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dijkstra (p57BDE8DE.dip.t-dialin.net [87.189.232.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g8sm2246888fai.20.2011.06.19.05.29.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:29:07 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110619142907.4b39e274@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <4DFDE7E2.1070404@ifdnrg.com> References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> <4DFD95B2.7050603@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4DFDE587.5070500@bah.homeip.net> <4DFDE7E2.1070404@ifdnrg.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjr@cruwe.de List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:29:15 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:13:22 +0100 Paul Macdonald wrote: > On 19/06/2011 13:03, Bernt Hansson wrote: > > 2011-06-19 08:22, Matthew Seaman skrev: > >> On 18/06/2011 23:29, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > >>> The mailer answers "220 mail.cruwe.de ESMTP Postfix" when > >>> telnet'ed, so I guess that is what the mailer returns as hostname. > >>> > >>> I did not know about that DNS/rDNS issue ... > >> > >> You need the name your mail server HELOs as to resolve both > >> forwards and reverse --- > > > > No. Our mailserver does not resolve DNS/rDNS and I can send mail > > without problems to freebsd.org. > > > > > reverse dns is definately a good thing to have in place if you want > your mail to be accepted by remote MTA's. > > I didn't see the OP post an error message in this thread, that would > be a good place to start. > > Thanks for all the effort ... somehow, posting an error message was the *one* thing I forgot: Jun 19 14:23:37 mail postfix/smtp[9416]: CE6A019C50: to=, relay=mx1.freebsd.org[69.147.83.52]:25, delay=944, delays=943/0.03/0.86/0.19, dsn=4.7.1, status=deferred (host mx1.freebsd.org[69.147.83.52] said: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [188.40.164.98] (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Thanks again, cheers -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 12:30:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD83106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6258FC15 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so828109qwc.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.62.198 with SMTP id y6mr3066980qch.290.1308486641651; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i34sm3353653qck.31.2011.06.19.05.30.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 05:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Qxvmb4wBZz2CG4b for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:30:39 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110619083039.7821162e@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4DFDE152.8050903@cran.org.uk> References: <201106190952.p5J9qFp3031036@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20110619073805.3f5948b9@scorpio> <4DFDE152.8050903@cran.org.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: New games for you X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:30:42 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:45:22 +0100 Bruce Cran articulated: > On 19/06/2011 12:38, Jerry wrote: > > > Interestingly enough, WOT rates that site > > "very poor" and displays a warning when it is visited. > > I suspect some people like reporting sites as bad. Mine was reported > as "not safe: has the trojan virus" and I had to ask Norton to > re-check it before it marked it as OK. It has long been my thesis that this is a rather prevalent activity among those with limited IQs. Those same morons are usually the ones in the forefront of spreading FUD among the masses. They never offer a citation for any of their remarks or accusations either. Unfortunately, especially in some circles, their accusations become the de facto standard. The only sure cure for such afflicted individuals is retroactive birth control. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 13:11:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25371065674 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED9F8FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYHmi-0006Ca-Hq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:11:28 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:11:28 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:11:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:12:09 -0400 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <7c5c9d52-465f-4996-a5ce-0894c24dfef6@default> <20110619074556.03e346e7@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Auto Reply: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:11:29 -0000 Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:27:04 -0700 (PDT) > Dave Segleau articulated: > >> I am out of the office until June 20th. I will only have intermittent >> access to email. I will read and reply to your message when I get >> back to the office. >> >> If you need assistance with a Berkeley DB or Product Management issue >> while I am away, please contact ashok.joshi@oracle.com. > > Yes, another malfunctioning / incorrectly configured "vacation / auto > reply" program. I often wonder if anyone actually takes the few minutes > required to check to make sure the program is working correctly. > The extremely busy lifestyle of the multi-tasking office worker is such that they have no time or attention span for actually paying much attention to anything. They will always have 50 million things going on at once, and as they time- slice through their day, priorities shift in real-time necessitating the need to interrupt task A because another multi-tasker has deemed task B now more important. With ever increasing input from larger pools of colleagues the rate of interrupt accelerates, creating the guarantee no task will ever be completed. So, myriad sub-tasks are never operated on long enough and with sufficient attention to bring about a quality completion. But the multi-tasking office worker can now proclaim: "I did 50 million things today and I was so good at it I need a vacation and a salary increase". And: "I'm so important I absolutely must let everyone know". :-) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 13:12:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D28A106568E for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from ifdnrg30.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AE88FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.85] (93-97-172-73.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.172.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by ifdnrg30.ifdnrg.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5JDClpb053880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:12:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Message-ID: <4DFDF5CE.9080709@ifdnrg.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:12:46 +0100 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cjr@cruwe.de References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> <4DFD95B2.7050603@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4DFDE587.5070500@bah.homeip.net> <4DFDE7E2.1070404@ifdnrg.com> <20110619142907.4b39e274@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <20110619142907.4b39e274@dijkstra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Christopher J. Ruwe" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:12:50 -0000 > Thanks for all the effort ... somehow, posting an error message was the > *one* thing I forgot: > > Jun 19 14:23:37 mail postfix/smtp[9416]: CE6A019C50: > to=, relay=mx1.freebsd.org[69.147.83.52]:25, > delay=944, delays=943/0.03/0.86/0.19, dsn=4.7.1, status=deferred (host > mx1.freebsd.org[69.147.83.52] said: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: > cannot find your hostname, [188.40.164.98] (in reply to RCPT TO > command)) > > Thanks again, cheers I'm not that familiar with postfix, but the issue does look rdns related. Under sendmail, on hosts with multiple names you have to make sure the hostname it uses to make the connection is the one that all your reverse dns is setup for. (your rdns does resolve backwards and forwards , but the ptr cruwe.de is possibly not what your mail server advertises its hostname with ( not neccesarily the same when you telnet in the make an incoming conn). #dig -x 188.40.164.98 +short cruwe.de If you mail me direct i can tell you what hostname i see, thats the one i'd try adding the rdns for. Paul. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07534206249 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 13:50:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61BD106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jurgen@itconsultant.mobi) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E0F8FC14 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so3259230iwr.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:50:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.128.199 with SMTP id l7mr3907319ibs.150.1308491444192; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.32.132 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:50:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:50:44 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jurgen Debo To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:50:44 -0000 The fact Microsoft did buy Skype, does worry me too. The Skype protocol is a closed protocol. SIP is an open standard. And about Microsoft ? Almost EVERYTHING in hands of Microsoft turns to a disaster or something which does compromise security, privacy or whatever. They can't make a secured OS, their servers are nothing compared to BSD servers, their hypervisors are sh.t as their messenger took ICQ from the market. And the last one did piss me off, because in the old days, I got nice dates with academic people with ICQ. But Messenger killed this all. My opinion, when I can get away from Microsoft, I do it. This company is a complete failure, and I don't belief they will persist to even exist in a decade due to their policies. With Microsoft there is ALWAYS a catch. Jurgen 2011/6/19 Jerry > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:15 +0100 > Frank Shute articulated: > > > I think we have to wait for somebody to write a Skype clone and > > hopefully MS taking over Skype will provide the impetus (MS will drop > > the linux port as soon as they can). > > Yes, more FUD. No one, including the OP has ever produced a single > shred of proof that Microsoft would discontinue support for operating > systems other than its own. While it certainly has every legal right to > do so, it would be counter productive to seriously entertain that > notion. While they would most likely would not produce any binaries > specific to FreeBSD, but then again, no one else ever did either, > supplying binaries for Linux would certainly be advantageous. The frame > work is all ready in place and there does not appear to be any movement > or reason to disassemble it > > A simple check on the business model of "Skype" in > Microsoft's software arsenal would lead one to the conclusion that > continuing Skype support/development on non-Windows operating systems > was advantageous. No one has come forth with a suitable thesis to > dispute those facts although the usual "sky is falling" from the usual > naysayers is still prevalent. > > -- > Jerry =E2=9C=8C > jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. > Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 14:11:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04913106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrruwe@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836548FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1491180fxm.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:11:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kxjYflfx2KfzpUwQWOecHhYXa2fsId6WZOfRZ6IMJP4=; b=qSu4rQBUtsTgk7K0vTCUTiI03Ytx9JNtE1aKmu/46sA+/i03ujqgjuXg0IzMjkZLlg e0DUePtgIbEq/7WjrfoFqit/Z6dDASo3GfIePUi1b6EsVM3VfNIK40cNxnhX/QWWD70X KTpni/q6wB+KzBmA7qYadWjywAs4FK4k9qX/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SiwPwVWlZOUq4T+MvPjdqABCoEewJkFIyHOopqSd70HPkdn/ktxbmE2tE2Q3U36by0 rgvinpgTuJ/gWvEQhzVyGq5CNw2mwGTMtdgcsP/H3VGYEMZQswPobnjEQIDPsyb/ik/l RI8kQEgCsw5zvUUj5fMCY2q3fn/f6kYD47lO0= Received: by 10.223.76.219 with SMTP id d27mr4728355fak.87.1308492699413; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dijkstra (p57BDE8DE.dip.t-dialin.net [87.189.232.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm2283952fak.17.2011.06.19.07.11.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:33 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110619161133.327257fb@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <4DFDF5CE.9080709@ifdnrg.com> References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> <4DFD95B2.7050603@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4DFDE587.5070500@bah.homeip.net> <4DFDE7E2.1070404@ifdnrg.com> <20110619142907.4b39e274@dijkstra> <4DFDF5CE.9080709@ifdnrg.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: paul@ifdnrg.com Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:11:41 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:12:46 +0100 Paul Macdonald wrote: > > > Thanks for all the effort ... somehow, posting an error message was > > the *one* thing I forgot: > > > > Jun 19 14:23:37 mail postfix/smtp[9416]: CE6A019C50: > > to=, > > relay=mx1.freebsd.org[69.147.83.52]:25, delay=944, > > delays=943/0.03/0.86/0.19, dsn=4.7.1, status=deferred (host > > mx1.freebsd.org[69.147.83.52] said: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: > > cannot find your hostname, [188.40.164.98] (in reply to RCPT TO > > command)) > > > > Thanks again, cheers > I'm not that familiar with postfix, but the issue does look rdns > related. > > Under sendmail, on hosts with multiple names you have to make sure > the hostname it uses to make the connection is the one that all your > reverse dns is setup for. > (your rdns does resolve backwards and forwards , but the ptr cruwe.de > is possibly not what your mail server advertises its hostname with > ( not neccesarily the same when you telnet in the make an incoming > conn). > > #dig -x 188.40.164.98 +short > cruwe.de > If you mail me direct i can tell you what hostname i see, thats the > one i'd try adding the rdns for. > > Paul. > I have asked my provider to set rDNS for 188.40.164.98 to cruwe.de, which he has, and changed the $myhostname to cruwe.de (was mail.cruwe.de before). Currently, I am waiting for DNS to permeate to the caches and will try with freebsd-test@ again tomorrow. Thanks again, -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 14:20:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D4B106566B for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FE18FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D75B267BC43; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:24:27 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85WTaAob3uNS; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:24:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93ACA267BC42; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:24:14 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:20:01 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> To: Jurgen Debo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:20:15 -0000 ... I hate to say this but they made Bungie into something really good. But I miss Marathon. On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Jurgen Debo wrote: > And about Microsoft ? Almost EVERYTHING in hands of Microsoft > turns to a disaster or something which does compromise security, > privacy or whatever. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 14:22:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3012B106566C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:22:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0490D8FC15 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1958FEEB; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:22:40 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: Eir Nym , FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <86120479909C996264204B1E@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: ZFS and cp -x X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:22:42 -0000 --As of June 19, 2011 10:49:58 AM +0400, Eir Nym is alleged to have said: > zfs mount contains: > zpoo/usr/ports /usr/ports > zpool/usr/ports/distfiles /usr/ports/distfiles > > when I try to cp -Rx, distfiles will be copied too. --As for the rest, it is mine. The distfiles directory, or the distfiles themselves? If it's following the Gnu semantics (and from my test it was) it should create an empty distfiles directory. All I can say is that on my 8.2-RELEASE system, it worked correctly when I tested it. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 14:38:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C871065687 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marksumter@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C0D8FC0C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so354111iyb.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:38:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gkB4sfAWGsA+4l5A85Une3epikgfkKrc6mkUogF1PAA=; b=GYV4QJgbHXjnljviWqMgiUGUYTrP0WDxH2Fte1Toadd2zEndsoR/pvu+qNtm9c+arp IRPVUJwDqvLN+AmL2b16eXkjmdDJInsfyzEOzbEiiRq0z8KvjGIsAFeYtEYwC7ddXNSp TDqnWDnCI7f11IV9eEwKA7SAJNu08kUG8JeDk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=lXMZpVgC2IobCgduruC5peouVjitnbhSxYMSxXLcRU5BYl776bQysr0jnNr60MHQZa dsHfgrPgo0uOAOnrTr/OaGKypMPiXyTWPdgC/z40vyZi44K9sMl17wSbYuEOPetGFPYP ektSkxaCW6wDfmy8AhK59NoeprETKediDgLTs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.29.132 with SMTP id q4mr4058492ibc.169.1308492525604; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.145.136 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:08:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Sumter To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:38:51 -0000 >From http://www.jitsi.org/ (formerly SIP Communicator) "All this, and more, in Jitsi - the most complete and advanced open source ... With a little bit of extra bravery you can also easily build and run it on FreeBSD." and "[all] you need is a recent JDK and ANT." Good luck with that. Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 15:22:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F095A1065675 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:22:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9867E8FC12 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so224105vxg.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.66.51 with SMTP id c19mr2417462vdt.36.1308496971844; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm1483295vdu.7.2011.06.19.08.22.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3QxzbF2vt7z2CG44 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:22:48 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:22:55 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:50:44 +0200 Jurgen Debo articulated: > The fact Microsoft did buy Skype, does worry me too. > The Skype protocol is a closed protocol. SIP is an open standard. Open or closed makes no relative difference to me or the majority of users as has been demonstrated numerous time with various software titles. The bottom line is does it work and what is the learning curve of the product. It has been demonstrated numerous times that the majority of end users do not want to invest large amounts of time trying to get an application configured and up and running. With the exception of the hobbyist, that is virtually always true. > And about Microsoft ? Almost EVERYTHING in hands of Microsoft > turns to a disaster or something which does compromise security, > privacy or whatever. They can't make a secured OS, their servers > are nothing compared to BSD servers, their hypervisors are sh.t as > their messenger took ICQ from the market. And the last one > did piss me off, because in the old days, I got nice dates with > academic people with ICQ. But Messenger killed this all. I am not sure about this ICQ rant. I never was much for IMs anyway. My favorite was Trillian though. I have not used it in several years though. I am still not sure about your rant regarding "messenger vs ICQ". ICQ is certainly still in use; I just checked. I have been in various environment and I been exposed to both Linux and Microsoft servers. I cannot say with any certainty that BSD servers were employed however. In any case, I have never personally experienced any appreciable difference. That, of course, is my own personal observation. The quality of the server is usually, at least in my own experience, directly related to the personnel who are responsible for its configuration and maintenance. > My opinion, when I can get away from Microsoft, I do it. > This company is a complete failure, and I don't belief they will > persist to even exist in a decade due to their policies. Please define "failure". When you control virtually 90% of the PC market, I fail to see how you can call that a failure. They released Kinect in advance of *.nix forcing others to play catch-up. To control any theater of operations you must get ahead of the curve. While hobbyists love anything not Microsoft, in the medical profession, legal profession, etcetera, Microsoft rules. There are highly specialized software written for their operating system that simply does not exist anywhere else. When it comes to Office Suites, there is nothing even remotely close to what Office 10 offers, no matter what flavor you prefer. OO tried for over ten years and never even produced an Office-97 clone that was anywhere as fully functional as the prototype. I have seen grown men and women reduced to tears trying to get OO to accomplish what MS Office could easily do. Again, this is not a criticism but a simple statement of fact. Before anyone can seriously make an attempt to dethrone Microsoft, they have to produce an Office Suite that is as fully functional as and compatible with existing MS Office products. That is just not going to happen in the foreseeable future. I think this tidbit is rather interesting: The German Foreign Office first started using Linux as a server platform in 2001 before making Linux and open source software their default desktop choice in 2005. Most observers thought the move a success. However, the government will now transition back to Windows XP, to be followed by Windows 7, also dropping OpenOffice and Thunderbird in favor of MS Office and Outlook. Until open-source proponents stop blaming Microsoft for their problems and rather focus on making better and easier to use applications the demise of Microsoft is certainly not in sight. Alas, it is easier to blame than to correct so I do not see the status quo ante changing anytime soon. > With Microsoft there is ALWAYS a catch. The same can be said of any OS. For instance, with FreeBSD one catch is that there are virtually no drivers for "N" class wireless devices even though said devices have been available for over 5 years. That is not a knock but rather a fact. There is ALWAYS a catch no matter what OS you are referring to. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 16:05:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1252106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D3228FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 4660 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jun 2011 16:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2011 16:05:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=IKg/DqQ5+Fj59B+z/mNahdeXfGizHzidEbxroBthMuq6cjcr/mT4PdOFTzCopOf4qH6Cwt+io4dJrpsBlIYISZWIQuK0cV0LJG661fBDGnnQCS7cHq/wF0dOvgJOS0yJ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYKUl-0005m1-OY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:05:09 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:49:49 -0600 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:49:49 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:05:09 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:22:48AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:50:44 +0200 Jurgen Debo articulated: > > > > The fact Microsoft did buy Skype, does worry me too. The Skype > > protocol is a closed protocol. SIP is an open standard. >=20 > Open or closed makes no relative difference to me or the majority of > users as has been demonstrated numerous time with various software > titles. The bottom line is does it work and what is the learning curve > of the product. It has been demonstrated numerous times that the > majority of end users do not want to invest large amounts of time > trying to get an application configured and up and running. With the > exception of the hobbyist, that is virtually always true. You've missed the point here, I think. If it's a closed protocol, there will be hurdles to getting everything working smoothly on many open source operating systems. In particular, Microsoft buying Skype may actually mean the end of the Skype client that works on FreeBSD at some point in the future. Thus, activity in the commercial world endangers availability of a given means of communication on systems like FreeBSD when using something like Skype -- which uses a closed protocol. Open protocols, on the other hand, can be reimplemented as much as we like in multiple clients, some of which may be open source and pretty much guaranteed to work on FreeBSD as long as enough people care. It doesn't matter how many people care about whether Skype works, if the "right" people (at Microsoft, now that the company has purchased Skype) don't want to make it available. In short, while "the majority of users" as you put it might not care about open or closed when choosing Skype or SIP, that's because you only care about *right now*. Some of us care about the longer term, like "Will this still work *tomorrow*?" > > > > And about Microsoft ? Almost EVERYTHING in hands of Microsoft turns > > to a disaster or something which does compromise security, privacy or > > whatever. They can't make a secured OS, their servers are nothing > > compared to BSD servers, their hypervisors are sh.t as their > > messenger took ICQ from the market. And the last one did piss me > > off, because in the old days, I got nice dates with academic people > > with ICQ. But Messenger killed this all. >=20 > I am not sure about this ICQ rant. I never was much for IMs anyway. My > favorite was Trillian though. I have not used it in several years > though. I am still not sure about your rant regarding "messenger vs > ICQ". ICQ is certainly still in use; I just checked. Trillian is a client. ICQ was at one time a client, but it was also a protocol and a network, and multiple clients (including Trillian) supported it. Pidgin, CenterIM, and Bitlbee are all clients that support ICQ, still. Trillian is *not* a protocol, and never was. The ICQ protocol and the AIM protocol have been merged into one protocol since AOL acquired ICQ, but the ICQ network of contacts still exists. Unfortunately, its popularity has waned due in part to the preinstalled availability of MSN Messenger, which I think is what irks Jurgen about MSN Messenger here. >=20 > I have been in various environment and I been exposed to both Linux and > Microsoft servers. I cannot say with any certainty that BSD servers > were employed however. In any case, I have never personally experienced > any appreciable difference. That, of course, is my own personal > observation. The quality of the server is usually, at least in my own > experience, directly related to the personnel who are responsible for > its configuration and maintenance. I have had to support servers running MS Windows, Linux-based systems, and BSD Unix systems (primarily FreeBSD) over the years, sometimes in mixed environments. While your mileage may vary, my experience is: * On a network that was about 15% MS Windows systems (one server, bunches of desktops and laptops) and about 85% Linux-based systems (a handful of servers, and bunches of desktops and laptops -- several times more laptops than MS Windows laptops), 65% of my time as the sys/net admin for the company involved maintaining the MS Windows systems, which required a heck of a lot more overhead. The one MS Windows server in particular required more maintenance time than all the Linux-based servers put together, and that server required almost as much time dealing with its issues as all the Linux-based systems on the network as a whole. Even worse, of all the time I spent on MS Windows systems, almost all of it was spent "fighting fires", while almost all the time I spent on the Linux-based systems was adding functionality to Linux-based systems that the engineers decided they wanted to help with their work. In short, for the Linux-based systems, I mostly spent my time adding value; for the MS Windows systems, I mostly spent my time trying to make sure they didn't fall apart. * Over the years, in dealing with networks running Linux-based systems, FreeBSD (and other BSD Unix) systems, or both, my experience is that the BSD Unix systems required less administrative overhead. The difference, however, has generally been negligible compared to the difference between Linux-based or BSD Unix systems and MS Windows systems. I say "generally" because, this year, I have had to deal with a Debian laptop that is driving me up the wall, and I eagerly await the arrival of support for Intel i5 graphics so I can install FreeBSD on this thing and be done with the hell of what Debian has become for "desktop" use in the last few years. >=20 > While hobbyists love anything not Microsoft, in the medical profession, > legal profession, etcetera, Microsoft rules. There are highly > specialized software written for their operating system that simply > does not exist anywhere else. When it comes to Office Suites, there is > nothing even remotely close to what Office 10 offers, no matter what > flavor you prefer. OO tried for over ten years and never even produced > an Office-97 clone that was anywhere as fully functional as the > prototype. I have seen grown men and women reduced to tears trying to > get OO to accomplish what MS Office could easily do. Again, this is not > a criticism but a simple statement of fact. Before anyone can seriously > make an attempt to dethrone Microsoft, they have to produce an Office > Suite that is as fully functional as and compatible with existing MS > Office products. That is just not going to happen in the foreseeable > future. I eagerly await the day when office suites go the way of the dodo. I think people use them more due to a form of Stockholm Syndrome than out of any specific need, in most cases. >=20 > I think this tidbit is rather interesting: >=20 > The German Foreign Office first started using Linux as a server > platform in 2001 before making Linux and open source software their > default desktop choice in 2005. Most observers thought the move a > success. However, the government will now transition back to Windows > XP, to be followed by Windows 7, also dropping OpenOffice and > Thunderbird in favor of MS Office and Outlook. "Most observers thought the move a success," probably because it worked quite well -- but in politics, there are always back-room deals undermining efficiency and effectiveness. This is why the lowest bidder on a government contract is generally the most expensive choice, and why successful programs are often scuttled in favor of programs offered by less effective providers who contribute more to key politicians' election campaigns. I don't think what you are saying proves what you think it proves. I'm not saying such a backroom deal necessarily occurred. I'm just describing a common scenario, which seems more likely than the notion that a bunch of people were just lying when they said the open source program was a success. Frankly, I think the *real* reasons for the switch to, and the switch *from*, open source software were probably quite simple: SuSE was a German company, and Germans wanted to use its software. Novell, an American company, bought SuSE. Once SuSE operations were moved out of Germany, Microsoft returned to being the Big Dog in the contract bidding environment there, and thus won back its contracts. I don't think any technical aspects of the OSes in question had anything to do with either migration, at all. In government, technical quality rarely matters when it comes time for the politicians and bureaucrats to make a decision. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3+Gp0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVUxgCg2VBUuTrNIrovSph6nUEkmmHZ s8EAoOtqWTktuaz6VsADfRFc9MGu317I =V8A8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 16:32:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E94F1065670 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEFA8FC0C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5JGWO4k040457; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5JGWOmR040454; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:32:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20110619054052.fe43bf10.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619043839.b11b2559.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619031516.GD21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619054052.fe43bf10.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Frank Shute , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:32:32 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:15:16 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: >> I've used "nocona" with my core2 with satisfactory results. > > Is there a list that states which CPU should be used with > (at least) which CPUTYPE setting? /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 16:35:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E639D106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:35:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893778FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so885300qwc.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.27.69 with SMTP id h5mr3276661qac.301.1308501304650; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j18sm3475011qck.39.2011.06.19.09.35.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Qy1BZ2xbsz2CG4b for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:34:51 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAABYRlwJCw4FAgAIBwKprDkBAQFQLR0BAgCir7VRttp8AAACAUlEQVQ4jZWUTYvbMBCGTVl8V2hX6Gg5G5FbWQdBj0lEfE7BhN4cyzi5Wt1E5L70roWy6N92xok/skkP+5IYrMcz78xIduDWpNM3vFzuA/jX5EY1AI6KHFwW/CzFuQAwqUBbV12p+CzIh6Awq7sg33pn5D64SQXAexffeuQlA/L35RrkaB551OjGfP/cAO8mCNaDcgvfky5ijoD0pAXlCQCnljiAjsJD9Ax05Ko5sZxbnLQcmM+dZg5IjREfZrWIHK0JuwU68pAGwHvfRxBundRzTxxz3r9dNUikPsEihjz2Dc4kjp1hKsJGuot4EDxaxzMoC7XqhxhOSfZrTS6gSX1JVdjp+o1PvWfekXgw3WL0g70nDEwA0H0HQsEZc8sTmFMTkWUfYWC/vdR1zQy3xLQgLwzu90QnlnFLjeiGWBjwhb4Sa42IqOg2qqS4O1/zhKokFUb1Q8Rj4Eb69WVflXEehJ35DgChVTE5n50eaGyMLOfH8AOodoSM4PVYAQgQdBulOa+knklYks3vAuQ+uX492lTl+A+e8qBV2AKoXalVKFfyuUp0pUp1ARaUHh82lv9MN+Ig7CZtgE6FNYvjlywT2VP2dMgOG46gTIWcqdfvuwyXNz0oMJNd/N5lh1YNiJt19ADTUo3VuFSNeQwVqRSrGjSCp53fk2g+Mvfk/gfoPxHeUS8MH9vRAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/dxxoXEAQdYBRZjO8SlU.uTq"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:35:06 -0000 --Sig_/dxxoXEAQdYBRZjO8SlU.uTq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:49:49 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > I eagerly await the day when office suites go the way of the dodo. I > think people use them more due to a form of Stockholm Syndrome than > out of any specific need, in most cases. Would you care to elaborate on that statement? Is your prejudice based on the fact that there is nothing in the open-source community that can even begin to match the robustness and ease of use of MS Office, and so as to simplify this question, I am referring to the latest offering; ie MS Office 10, or do you have some other specific complaint? Unlike your appraisal of the situation, I find that users use office suites, in this case MS Office because it offers the end user what they want. Specifically, an all-in-one application that integrates seamlessly into their home or work environment without the need of additional software. Microsoft's decision to offer MS Office in several flavors was a wise investment. The MS Office Home and Student 2010 can be purchased for $79 from many distributors. I know over a dozen users who have installed this very suite on their home PCs simple because the price+value exceeds anything available anywhere else. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html --Sig_/dxxoXEAQdYBRZjO8SlU.uTq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN/iU1AAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFepIIAJtnZENo3iz9GE+XCPgz4Yyd 10T8Tgn2ex9/rih6NVFljwg6376NP2869t9OssY6rYYGtspCgHfoGXnXrTXPUUJ3 t5P3huNaqgsAabSbRQ9Xkh9x+DE1KeNHJZJketyGrCOSvxi9cAz0SZZoSZAA62bl 4qKADF+tabJ1qRMNritQM/LUB2AauAbizIyt7Ip2n16QAraILpEOsxTMT0ASUxnb 12A+5fz7EVy4Bb0vzTKzXI6d8blzx17b6VLVaNqekLDvLQbX76SsNMmZOTWBGqVK g8XUxHm3xNAZHf8LJyvME3kW7ROBhPFhdi43svhLwF5MaEOXEfm9z+0Fq5ZHTWE= =IKtO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/dxxoXEAQdYBRZjO8SlU.uTq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 16:40:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BAA1065674 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004108FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5JGeSPl040505; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5JGeSlh040502; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:40:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <4dfd563d.IqfwMUCBOY6OTPc3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Message-ID: References: <4dfd563d.IqfwMUCBOY6OTPc3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading the root FS to read-write X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:40:29 -0000 On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > After booting 8.1-RELEASE single-user, what must I do to upgrade > the root FS mount from read-only to read-write? I have tried: > > # mount -u / That's what I use. Try running fsck on it first. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 17:46:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EBC1065670 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 900888FC0C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17407 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jun 2011 17:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2011 17:46:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=aqVwcOygQISSP0bRWz2Gp03KSFhNiW1UXvUgJ5WOQ0xalhnsVh6Lo0lDZ8AiOPavwpyoFAakO5sfdjFOk5ZI+UpgKZYn5lcHdHNNjmJ8oi61eZ6ZBJWG05OaHiuNLwxq; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYM4S-0002x1-JG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:46:05 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:30:46 -0600 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:30:46 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:46:06 -0000 --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 12:34:51PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:49:49 -0600 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > I eagerly await the day when office suites go the way of the dodo. I > > think people use them more due to a form of Stockholm Syndrome than > > out of any specific need, in most cases. >=20 > Would you care to elaborate on that statement? Is your prejudice based > on the fact that there is nothing in the open-source community that can > even begin to match the robustness and ease of use of MS Office, and so > as to simplify this question, I am referring to the latest offering; ie > MS Office 10, or do you have some other specific complaint? It's not "prejudice". That assumes I prejudge. My judgment is based on years of fighting with the BS features of office suites of all descriptions for years, and loathing every minute of it. I don't care whether they're open source, closed source, or blue-green algae source. Office suites are basically just featuritis sores growing on the faces of our computer working environments. Feature creep has gotten so out of control in MS Office that the "ribbon" was invented to deal with the fact that it had far more features than the interface could reasonably manage. The "ribbon" is, in fact, basically a very clever, well-designed answer to a problem that should never have existed in the first place, and as such the "ribbon" ends up being little more than one more feature in something that has far too many features in the first place. People actually open MS Word or OO.o Writer to do nothing but make simple, unformatted notes to themselves. Have you people never heard of a damned text editor? For all the document merging and management features of these things, in the end one is usually better off not using any of them; just cut and paste instead. Cut and paste takes less than a minute, but I've seen "expert" MS Office users spend half an hour screwing around with document merging to do what could as easily have been done with a simple cut and paste. For actual content merging, despite all the derogatory noises MS Office users will typically make about the evils of the command line and how difficult it is to use, what might take an hour in MS Office can often be accomplished in roughly equivalent fashion using simpler file formats and a couple of command line tools like grep and cat in under five minutes. By the time you get to the point where all these ridiculously overburdening "advanced" features are "needed", you're better off storing your data in a database and moving on with your life. =2E . . but we've strayed off-topic quite far enough in this thread. Maybe we should drop the subject here. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3+MkYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUnBwCgyri4xwaBnU8Vrmlnsia9POWE ULIAoPPR0ywo0Dd9paHJH+ePppFzE8FQ =4mka -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 18:22:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C0E106566C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:22:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA288FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5JIMu9h040786; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5JIMujl040783; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:22:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619043839.b11b2559.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619031516.GD21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619054052.fe43bf10.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:22:56 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Frank Shute , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:22:59 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Polytropon wrote: > >> On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:15:16 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: >>> I've used "nocona" with my core2 with satisfactory results. >> >> Is there a list that states which CPU should be used with >> (at least) which CPUTYPE setting? > > /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf Oops, I didn't read the question accurately. This might be more useful: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-Options.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 20:03:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BB5106564A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jurgen@itconsultant.mobi) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A078FC16 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so3456348iwr.13 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:03:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.162.2 with SMTP id t2mr4469956ibx.175.1308513792103; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.32.132 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:03:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:03:11 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jurgen Debo To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:03:13 -0000 Hello Jerry 2011/6/19 Jerry > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:50:44 +0200 > Jurgen Debo articulated: > > > The fact Microsoft did buy Skype, does worry me too. > > The Skype protocol is a closed protocol. SIP is an open standard. > > Open or closed makes no relative difference to me or the majority of > users as has been demonstrated numerous time with various software > titles. The bottom line is does it work and what is the learning curve > of the product. It has been demonstrated numerous times that the > majority of end users do not want to invest large amounts of time > trying to get an application configured and up and running. With the > exception of the hobbyist, that is virtually always true. > > Open source software is not related to the comfort to configure or install software. It depends how the software is written. > > And about Microsoft ? Almost EVERYTHING in hands of Microsoft > > turns to a disaster or something which does compromise security, > > privacy or whatever. They can't make a secured OS, their servers > > are nothing compared to BSD servers, their hypervisors are sh.t as > > their messenger took ICQ from the market. And the last one > > did piss me off, because in the old days, I got nice dates with > > academic people with ICQ. But Messenger killed this all. > > I am not sure about this ICQ rant. I never was much for IMs anyway. My > favorite was Trillian though. Trillian is not a messenger service. It is software to run different accounts on messenger services. Same can be done with opensource Jitsi. As Trillion does not support SIP. > I have not used it in several years > though. I am still not sure about your rant regarding "messenger vs > ICQ". ICQ is certainly still in use; I just checked. > It is, but most users did quit. Because the common user is lazy and does us= e the Microsoft Messenger. In this messenger there is no search function etc= . > > I have been in various environment and I been exposed to both Linux and > Microsoft servers. I cannot say with any certainty that BSD servers > were employed however. In any case, I have never personally experienced > any appreciable difference. That, of course, is my own personal > observation. The quality of the server is usually, at least in my own > experience, directly related to the personnel who are responsible for > its configuration and maintenance. > If You want to be hacked in no time, trust me, do run Microsoft servers. And if You are not hacked, it is, You did have luck or You are not running important websites. > > > My opinion, when I can get away from Microsoft, I do it. > > This company is a complete failure, and I don't belief they will > > persist to even exist in a decade due to their policies. > > Please define "failure". When you control virtually 90% of the PC > market, I fail to see how you can call that a failure. They released > Kinect in advance of *.nix forcing others to play catch-up. To control > any theater of operations you must get ahead of the curve. > The PC market is NOT the server market. When people do buy a PC they got Microsoft software for free. As related to the security of the OS, you nee= d to study the articles on the internet. I have no time to explain the difference between Unix and Microsoft OS. You can read this on the internet. > While hobbyists love anything not Microsoft, in the medical profession, > legal profession, etcetera, Microsoft rules. There are highly > specialized software written for their operating system that simply > does not exist anywhere else. When it comes to Office Suites, there is > nothing even remotely close to what Office 10 offers, no matter what > flavor you prefer. OO tried for over ten years and never even produced > an Office-97 clone that was anywhere as fully functional as the > prototype. I have seen grown men and women reduced to tears trying to > get OO to accomplish what MS Office could easily do. Again, this is not > a criticism but a simple statement of fact. Before anyone can seriously > make an attempt to dethrone Microsoft, they have to produce an Office > Suite that is as fully functional as and compatible with existing MS > Office products. That is just not going to happen in the foreseeable > future. > To run programs, it is just fun. But if You would trace all outgoing connections from Your workstations to the internet, if You have no concerns about security, privacy and so on, then I can understand Your vision. > > I think this tidbit is rather interesting: > > The German Foreign Office first started using Linux as a server > platform in 2001 before making Linux and open source software their > default desktop choice in 2005. Most observers thought the move a > success. However, the government will now transition back to Windows > XP, to be followed by Windows 7, also dropping OpenOffice and > Thunderbird in favor of MS Office and Outlook. > And Russia did recommend recently their citizens to switch to Linux. Btw from decades, the best hackers were Russians. If you want Your company to expose everything to the public, to breach security and privacy, yes, run Microsoft software. When I do buy software, I do not want, software does communicate to the outside. If You have insight inside the software of Microsoft, You would see, there is always a backdoor which is not closed, which is used to send information to the internet. Those backdoors are exploited by hackers to enter into the OS. > Until open-source proponents stop blaming Microsoft for their problems > and rather focus on making better and easier to use applications the > demise of Microsoft is certainly not in sight. Alas, it is easier to > blame than to correct so I do not see the status quo ante changing > anytime soon. > Blaming Microsoft. Who does write closed protocols ? Microsoft. Who does refuse to deliver properly software which does connect seamless with the Unix environment ? Who does refuse to open the DirectX library of games etc. Microsoft is a commercial entity and they have no interest in open software= . At the contrary they want to create a closed box. And even when programmers do put Microsoft on the court, they do change a little bit of their policies, their software, but next year, be sure, they found another way to breach security, privacy, whatever. > > > With Microsoft there is ALWAYS a catch. > > The same can be said of any OS. For instance, with FreeBSD one catch is > that there are virtually no drivers for "N" class wireless devices even > though said devices have been available for over 5 years. That is not a > knock but rather a fact. There is ALWAYS a catch no matter what OS you > are referring to. > FreeBSD can be compiled from Source. You can read all code. You can't do this with Microsoft OS. FreeBSD is an operating system, from day one, multitask, multiuser and buil= d in view of security, etc. All Microsoft OS is build from a perspective of single use, single process, afterwards they did try to fix all those things. But in the process, they made a monster which does run, but full of security holes. I have running servers on the internet for 16 years. I did start with Microsoft IIS, in one week it was hacked. Afterwards I did try again a few times, always hacked. With FreeBSD servers, Your server does run, pretty safe. Especially when You do jail services. The only place for a Microsoft server, is inside a LAN, behind a good firewall. But even then, You got problems, because the server communicates to the outside, like a fish wife. Anyway. This thread is about SIP. And I have no time to discuss the Microsoft failure. There is enough information on the internet. > > -- > Jerry =E2=9C=8C > jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. > Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 20:50:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765451065673 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrruwe@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f68.google.com (mail-fx0-f68.google.com [209.85.161.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE52F8FC16 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm15 with SMTP id 15so171799fxm.7 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:50:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fb5I0LNxU0voI46ERX3RZyLEiVtDfaY/akudJkdvwwM=; b=cPYBQfQ0Mkx4ggGFD5Y5UeDTH83xZ0j6zWomT9W1y26cI9T+iFFGmWMOhc8+3+KPi3 fNN/p7bGR5wUvfgvX4VaKddPJoJfqsa5QZl+5HbSinD6/kLMlMKzFlTKDl9x+2+9qXNN vIOrfJNtMwEIIN71RqFwRT395WU+LRc3owKLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xA02H1TK/LBJjSIolz7Pdker341+JQ74FJOBwslDwta+wEnmawJQ4DW3iz6M1KU0eA jLl9aFjGAwncaSS8/asANUhUMGuV0iU407ZxJnPUWc5joOLdlUEPAWRoOsjiGFCsL19r nxnm490QMvMW7HynINP+D7o0lr9pDUHo1WTys= Received: by 10.223.54.148 with SMTP id q20mr2929867fag.84.1308516645642; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dijkstra (p5B37AE3E.dip.t-dialin.net [91.55.174.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm910092faw.0.2011.06.19.13.50.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:50:38 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110619225038.1dcda180@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: References: <20110618180858.41cda851@dijkstra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: problem report bin/157732 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjr@cruwe.de List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:50:47 -0000 On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Igor wrote: >=20 >=20 > 1. I don't think that the proposed patch by itself would be > reasonable. Some limit should be imposed. >=20 > According to the RFC-1123 (2.1) (circa October 1989), > "Host software MUST handle host names of up to 63 characters and > SHOULD handle host names of up to 255 characters." > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1123.txt >=20 > I am not sure if any subsequent RFC changed that. The wording is, interestingly, ambiguous, especially when comparing RFC1123 to earlier and later RFCs. It looks like one changed ones mind several times or was not particularly cautious with the wording: =46rom _should_ I would derive that it is _recommended_ that sw supports up to 255 characters. RFC2181 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2181#section-11) _limits_ domain names to 255 octets, which sound like 254 characters to me (adding one for the implicit terminating '.'. That is also what RFC1035 specifies (=C2=A72.3.4, http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1035.txt), so that "Host software MUST handle host names of up to 63 characters and SHOULD handle host names of up to 255 characters." Thus, RFC 1123 should rather be read " ... should handle host names of _at most_ 255 octets." This is also what Tanenbaum, Computer Networks, 5th ed, is stating when discussing DNS. Interestingly, wikipedia.org claims only 253 characters, which sounds to be like a superfluous double subtraction of the terminating dot.=20 >=20 > In some discussions on the net, I've seen people mentioning that > any "component" (between the dots) of the host name should not exceed > 63 characters. Upon a very quick search, I could find only=20 > one somewhat reliable source that supporting that: > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D909264&SD=3Dtech > The maximum length of the host name and of the fully qualified domain > name (FQDN) is 63 octets per label and 255 bytes per FQDN. This > maximum includes 254 bytes for the FQDN and one byte for the ending > dot. see above > I would assume that the length checks corresponding to these rules > should be implemented. I can follow your argument up to here. What I do not understand is why anything bad should happen if you supply an argument of greater length to inet_addr(). =20 > Since more recent RFCs allowed non-ASCII hostnames, that factor > should be taken into account as well. See, e.g. here, for the > discussion of that: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/245809 You are probably right, but that is well over my head. Superficially looking at the relevant RFCs (i.e., 3492 and 5891), there does not seem an extension of domain record length to be issued there. > 2. You are probably right in checking to make sure that bumping > up that limit of the hostname length would not result in a buffer > overflow somewhere downstream. > You should probably check that inet_addr() and all other relevant=20 > functions define the variables of the type and length that can handle > this longer input. >=20 > I noticed that some Linux (2.6.26-2-686) I had access to, was capable > of handling that long host name. So, you might want to pick at how it > is handled by Linux. (Unless that might create some sort of=20 > copyright/license issues.) Looking over the fence, the Linux traceroute calls getaddr(), which does check against hostname length and also has a limit of 64. Calling traceroute with anything longer than 64 chars will result in a "traceroute: hostname "abcdefghi.abcdefghi.abcdefghi.ab..." is too long" error. Solaris, on the other hand, calls a getaddr() in getaddrinfo (http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libsocke= t/inet/getaddrinfo.c), which checks against a MAXHOSTNAMELENGTH=3D256 defined in netdb.h (http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libresol= v/netdb.h). Anyway, it performs for the example from the PR. When supplying an arbitary string longer than 255 chars, traceroute from Solaris terminates with a memory allocation error as defined in EAI_MEMORY (also defined in netdb.h).=20 TrustedBSD has the same <64 chars limit and is, I gather, not too dissimilar. As an aside, inet_addr() is, i gather, part of POSIX (http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/inet_addr.html), so I wonder, why so many do not implement inet_getaddr(), but have some home-brew called get_addr()? > 3. In either case, I would assume that this number should not be > hardcoded in the function, but instead defined in one of the header > files (and properly documented) (e.g. HostNameMaxLength). Such as in Solaris, ... BTW, there is a MAXHOSTNAMELEN 64 defined in traceroute.c (http://fxr.aydogan.net/xref/src/contrib/traceroute/traceroute.c#267) ... it escapes me why it isn't used. > 4. Yet another thought is that some folks involved into the > "TrustedBSD" project may have very good expertise on this or related > issues. Consider searching the source tree in TrustedBSD, in case > something appears there that was not brought back to FreeBSD. You > might also want to shoot a message with a question to Robert Watson > or FreeBSD Security Team Thanks for that hint. Cheers, --=20 Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 --=20 Christopher J. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:55:41 -0000 Wow. this thread really took a turn for the worse. So getting back to the m= ain =0Atopic about SIP phones, I have been using SIP phones since 2006 and = I never =0Afound anything that worked under FreeBSD. Mainly for this reason= and this reason =0Aseems to mirror where this thread went off topic.=0A=0A= While I could make something work on my end, because I'm a hobbyist, I coul= d not =0Aget my friends, family, co-workers, customers, etc... to make anyt= hing work, =0Aeven in the M$ environment. The main reason is that hackers i= n this world have =0Acaused all of us to in one way or another deploy firew= alls. And I would say that =0A99% of the non-hobbyists out there don't have= a clue how to configure their =0Afirewall, indeed many of them don't even = know they have one working. Whether =0Ait's M$ built-in firewall or the fir= ewall on their ISP supplied router/modem, or =0Athe hotel they are staying = at is blocking SIP ports. Unless you can get the =0Aperson on the other end= to receive your phone call then very little works. Which =0Ais a real sham= e because as a hobbyist I have done some really neat things with =0ASIP pho= nes, Asterisk, not to mention VPN and other packages. But without another = =0Ahobbyist on the other end, its proved more than impossible to get things= working =0Awhich I could really use on a daily basis.=0A=0AOh and just in = case...I use Asterisk on FreeBSD-8.2-STABLE as my PBX for my =0Aprivate=A0h= ome office. I connect via SIP with a VOIP provider who provides not =0Aonly= phone service but a DID as well. I use SIP phones (actual phones, not =0As= oftware) to make my SOHO appear to be a=A0professional corporate office wit= h =0Atransfers, conference calls, Music on hold, voice mail, the works. I = =0Aoccassionally use an IAX softphone or SIP softphone program on Windows t= o make =0Aand receive calls but for the most part I use the actual phones. = Several friends =0Aand family members have asked me to set them up similarl= y but unless I could =0Amake it totally handsfree for them there is no way = it will ever work, simply =0Abecause they are not hobbyists like me and hav= e no desire to do anything but =0Aclick a big button on their desktop which= looks like a phone. Anything beyond =0Athat and you're into the realm of i= mpossible....again. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 23:16:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B41E1065670 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458968FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYRDq-0005Hl-9J for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 01:16:06 +0200 Received: from pool-116.enst-bretagne.fr ([192.108.117.68]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 01:16:06 +0200 Received: from fred by pool-116.enst-bretagne.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 01:16:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: =?utf-8?B?RnLDqWTDqXJpYw==?= Perrin Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 01:15:58 +0200 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <4dfd100c.ZEvfAI/AN/67EPHi%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-116.enst-bretagne.fr User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Z3gAOtyv0pNImqKWZOB97t6DFII= Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com Subject: Re: Messages from MCA in the kernel log X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:16:08 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com writes: > Frederic Perrin wrote: > >> ... I don't know what MCA, DRD, SNOOP and {D,G}CACHE stand for... > > MCA = Machine Check Architecture. > DRD here probably refers to a data read cycle. > SNOOP has to do with hardware-maintained cache coherency. > DCACHE = data cache. > > Google and/or Wikipedia may help with the details. Thanks for the pointers. >> Is it a transient error? > > I _think_ the COR refers to a corrected error, but that could be > either transient (a random bit-flip, possibly due to a cosmic > ray hit) or permanent (a bit in the cache has gone bad). In the > latter case I'd expect ongoing error messages, rather than just > two isolated occurrences. This server has been running since about 18 months, with a current uptime of 75 days. This is the first time this message appeared, and has not returned yet. I'll shrug it off as a one-time glitch. Thanks for your comments. Have a nice day, -- Frédéric Perrin -- http://tar-jx.bz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 23:40:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA068106566C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C668FC1C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 63DEDE819AA; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:31:00 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20110618053100.GA16059@thought.org> References: <20110615195027.GA1196@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:40:38 -0000 On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 01:04:23PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:04:23 -0700 > From: Chuck Swiger > Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server? > To: Gary Kline > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) > > On Jun 15, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > can anybody clue me in on why fsck on my server [yes, of course as root] > > seem to refuse to WRITE? > > Bad sectors on the hard drive are a somewhat common cause of this. > > > we had a power out locally and i caught my UPS at > > the last second. i powered off my server to save the battery, etc, and > > a few minutes ago when i ran > > > > # fsck -y /var > > > > there were unresolved inconsistancies that fsck was not allowed to resolve. > > Was /var mounted already? You shouldn't be running fsck on a live filesystem; boot single user or from a FreeBSD CD, and run fsck that way. right. i booted into single-user and fsck still gave me the NO WRITE response; then i did a # shutdown now to get a # prompt in single-user and got the same NO WRITE. Only it did fix the errors. dunno... strange. > > > i tried to boot single use but the server (Dell 530) panicked. so finally, > > after deliberately crashing the box three times, fsck_ufs ran. i was able to > > ping outside. > > > > is there any way of scripting fsck *every* time i reboot this box? i just > > want to make abs certain that the filesystems are clean. ---didn't fscking > > used to be easier? > > You can set fsck_y_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf, but it shouldn't be necessary. The system can figure out for itself whether it shutdown cleanly or whether a fsck is necessary. > i 'll try that, thanks. gary > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 00:26:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26728106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:26:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9630C8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5K0Q8Zo067779 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:26:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4DFE9390.2030001@bah.homeip.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:25:52 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:26:26 -0000 2011-06-17 18:28, Chad Perrin skrev: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:22:31AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> 2011-06-17 06:53, Adam Vande More skrev: >>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: >>>> >>>> Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one >>>> can't give it up. >>> >>> Again, registration is pretty important if you want to an expanded >>> ability to legally enforce it. >> >> Where i live no need to register, you get copyright if the stuff >> fulfills certain criteria, originality is one. > > Registration aids enforcement. Perhaps. But where i live (sweden) you can't register copyright. It is granted you if certain criteria is fulfilled. >>> And you can assign your copyright away. >> >> Only the monetary. The creator can sell the right to make copys of the >> work but the creator still retains the copyright. > > That depends on jurisdiction. In the US, you can negate copyright > entirely by assigning something you have created to the public domain. In Sweden you can not. On the other hand you can choose not to sue. > The fact this is not applicable everywhere is the reason for things like > the CC0 waiver, however. What is CC0? I've set freebsd-chat as follow-up From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 00:40:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D7D106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4D18FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E7263E80319; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:40:55 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110620004052.GA31512@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: which utility is it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:40:59 -0000 guys, i have it tatooed on my forehead that ``xev'' relays keycode information about X appa--say xload or xclock. which utility gives to the size in pixels and give you the -geometry info about an X app? i'm trying to maximize the realestate of my display. tia, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 00:52:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F30F106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECC88FC17 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5K0bSpT099023 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:37:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5K0bRQN099022 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:37:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:37:27 +0200 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110620003727.GB25579@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:52:45 -0000 Hi, does the freebsd resolver(3) support sending the DO bit in queries and thus do DNSSEC validation ? I tried using ssh with SSHFP RR's in a signed zone but i still get the "insecure Key" message from ssh on FreeBSD (works on some other OS). cherio, Leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 00:58:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2369F1065670 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD9A8FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5K0w7GJ035234 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:58:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:58:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106200058.p5K0w7GJ035234@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110619073805.3f5948b9@scorpio> Subject: Re: {SPAM} New games for you X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:58:18 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 19 06:38:27 2011 > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:38:05 -0400 > From: Jerry > To: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: {SPAM} New games for you > > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:52:15 -0500 (CDT) > Robert Bonomi articulated: > > > Anybody running procmail who is tired of this Netlog cr*p (thanks to > > one Elias Shashati, who subscribed the questions mailing list to > > their service) is welcome to use the procmail recipe that I have > > posted at: > > Interestingly enough, WOT rates that site "very > poor" and displays a warning when it is visited. *SIGH* Proof one should _not_ trust WOT ratings when they are based on small numbers of reports. In this instance, a 'sample size' of *ONE*. Fact: there was _never_ any 'phishing' page on my server, as the user report claims. What there -was-, was a copy of an eBay/Paypal ERROR PAGE, with the *only* distribution of that URL to eBay/Paypal customer support (by telephone) for purposes of resolving the problem that error page demonstrated. The 'vendor reliability' rating is meaningless, Assuming that that WOT user making the rtingknew anyting about the vendor, which is unlikely :). The machine intentinally mis-reports its vendor identity as a company that went out of existance more than a decade ago. Reported application versions are similar mis-directon. The machine, itself, armor-plated and diamond-coated. It is proof against _any_ attack other than 'denial of service' -- regardless of any software vulnerabilites, *undiscovered* or otherwise. All media with executables, or non-volatile data (like web pages), are (hardware enforced) read-only, and all writable media are flagged by the kernel such that any attempt to 'execute' any content from that media is disallowed. Even _I_ can't change anything without taking the machine off-line and into single- user mode. I can give _you_ console access *and* the super-user password, the _worst_ you can do is denial of service. The other 'ratings' by that single user are similarly laughable. He has no way of knowing anything about any of them. All that said, thanks for the heads-up about mywot.com. I've never heard of them before this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 00:59:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4451065679 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:59:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B734D8FC20 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYSpn-0006FA-PD for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:59:00 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:59:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:59:22 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110620005922.GB2396@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20110620004052.GA31512@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110620004052.GA31512@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Re: which utility is it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:59:28 -0000 --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 19 June 2011: > guys, >=20 > i have it tatooed on my forehead that ``xev'' relays keycode > information about X appa--say xload or xclock. which utility gives > to the size in pixels and give you the -geometry info about an X > app? i'm trying to maximize the realestate of my display. >=20 > tia, >=20 > gary >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Un= ix > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" xwininfo(1) --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN/ptqAAoJEIpckszW26+RDl0H/iek/YxIONL4v38aVZP4wfcY cz30opfshPA72KXG4GcxEvoGvw55EMDd4J20k6NXMCN6NWs4b9Ywhci4qAQhWJV/ gg6oyZix4zpEQNuEYuZHsaG/PrQVJdAWB8Fp9xL+HvkRiS8SD7bNMO2ClGYYL69h BEXu9utAkqUixgDVOkZo9q6lpwZssOKWraX0F8PCX/nyOrzzAPy4pXFcCwUqQ7P9 NDTuWjhLYFtdRHRGELFbZ3G70QfD5woZVR9SfOiDp4GEAzgQeJNHR5tACmWCM3ZQ 4XLbiDJgv+RtxMDI93bJBZqANjrW0mLA/Skfq1HIRIB2jbAHzttdqPflbZ7uZl8= =32t1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 02:16:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2EE106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:16:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423DA8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:16:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=eAquAR98FZesUtQu3GALvAk/13891N41BktdfKnDQXA=; b=RfBhFmFMcjK4ez8EpT7PAw75EiEM8af62KvpIChFJ6XKmWwZqabalV8uchXzz/3ccwSPB9nsMrZ2Wv9lmY3RXmvCBnuhbp23+C4AIiAxaIfTiSWaiNTj/hQ4VsCZhqq4P+Sk7FcWIY2morIL0cj44SQbCfagVFs9YBdZw95chWw= Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:16:03 -0700 Message-ID: <4DFEAD65.70306@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:16:05 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Kellogg-Stedman References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2011 02:16:04.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[0191C1A0:01CC2EF0] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: /etc/rc.d/jail using new-style jail command? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:16:04 -0000 Lars Kellogg-Stedman wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm curious if there's been any work done to make /etc/rc.d/jail use > the new-style jail command (jail -c path=... name=..., etc)...or if > there's been any work done to create a replacement? There are three > features I would love to see in the stock version that I've had to > implement myself: > > - The ability to reference jails by name. Passing the > name= argument means that jails can be referenced by name > when using, e.g., the jexec command, which is very convenient since > jail ids aren't (normally) persistent. > > - The ability to create jails without starting them. The "persist" > argument to the jail command is useful when attaching ZFS datasets to > a jail. A ZFS dataset can't be attached until a JID has been > allocated, but if with the existing implementation the jail will > probably have booted by the time you complete the ZFS assignment, > which impacts services that may need access to the jail. There are > workarounds (such as a busy-wait loop that checks for the filesystem), > but creating the jail with no processes, attaching the datasets, and > then starting the jail is much cleaner. > > - Somewhat more flexibility in setting up jail permissions (via the > enforce_statfs and allow.* arguments). > > Before I spend too much time making my own local changes, I was > wondering if there was anything I should be looking at. I've been > using ezjail recently, but since it relies on the stock /etc/rc.d/jail > to actually boot and configure jails it suffers from the same > limitations. > > Thanks, > > -- Lars > > Give the qjail port a try. It has the ability to reference jails by name and create jails without starting them. Though it does not use the new-style jail command. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 04:31:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3146C106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 04:31:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB9CE8FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 04:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 4379 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jun 2011 04:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2011 04:31:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=LMN8Gc493u3USf6bmf3L7RjCQtTtB95/HCLebUaQ8Yz1YDKYhBZoYLuhZ9w2FR9y12LDZWtUIyckpXXN/H/AAjAhL/j+kdVd/c8Mto4DsvBi9gqfCRib+I1Uv5Zq0/o9; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYW8r-0005Ta-ES for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:31:18 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:15:58 -0600 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:15:58 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110620041558.GA86384@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> <4DFE9390.2030001@bah.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wac7ysb48OaltWcw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DFE9390.2030001@bah.homeip.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 04:31:19 -0000 --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 02:25:52AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2011-06-17 18:28, Chad Perrin skrev: > > > >The fact this is not applicable everywhere is the reason for things > >like the CC0 waiver, however. >=20 > What is CC0? http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3+yX4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXzIwCgm6ll/H6h+CYpMGRJrjY1YeOQ AdwAn2WeODMO43vNcr+8QZ8+AhWW8cXR =FZiJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wac7ysb48OaltWcw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 05:13:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C86106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78998FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5K5D7GD047700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:13:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5K5D7SV047699; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA15565; Sun, 19 Jun 11 22:01:26 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:01:01 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: wblock@wonkity.com Message-Id: <4dfed40d.idBPTDCVernU+B1C%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4dfd563d.IqfwMUCBOY6OTPc3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading the root FS to read-write X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:13:10 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > > After booting 8.1-RELEASE single-user, what must I do to upgrade > > the root FS mount from read-only to read-write? I have tried: > > > > # mount -u / > > That's what I use. Try running fsck on it first. I didn't try fsck -- it's a gjournal, so shouldn't need it, and had definitely been unmounted cleanly anyway -- but I did try -f which should have forced the upgrade even if it had needed a fsck. Still no upgrade, and no messages. What finally worked was to reboot, and do the upgrade before anything else (still without fsck, confirming that that was not the problem). There is pretty clearly some kind of bug involved. Perhaps there was a legitimate reason for the upgrade to fail, but it surely should not have failed _silently_. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 05:17:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5617F106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57CA8FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5K5HVP6007702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 06:17:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5K5HVP6007702 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1308547052; bh=xY4kNzzkD14czvOYskFDWVKIg7a1en4aiuzXjN1rf7w=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4DFED7E3.8080203@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20M on,=2020=20Jun=202011=2006:17:23=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.17)=20Gecko/20110414=20Thunderbird/3.1.10|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20dnssec=20 with=20freebsd's=20resolver(3)|References:=20<20110620003727.GB255 79@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de>|In-Reply-To:=20<20110620003727.G B25579@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1| OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20mic alg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3 B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig8E300474AEE1E5D64425BA78"; b=CC7m+tAuZaTZi0R5mWruAXNLJuT+fDTlukplGDJO9Bs2oEtMmjF1LJOSjG0GzFVwg kWVe0gkloxXUfXf3Bh2rMeDtOTjt7P7p7CMooSpds4yjXKg/xKlm6MOjTDWLIXbqze 22RqbuQt0OFV0BxnMGwstCLqvcSKmnmxAREMu1kc= Message-ID: <4DFED7E3.8080203@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 06:17:23 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110620003727.GB25579@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <20110620003727.GB25579@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8E300474AEE1E5D64425BA78" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:17:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8E300474AEE1E5D64425BA78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 20/06/2011 01:37, Leon Me=DFner wrote: > does the freebsd resolver(3) support sending the DO bit in queries and > thus do DNSSEC validation ? I tried using ssh with SSHFP RR's in a > signed zone but i still get the "insecure Key" message from ssh on > FreeBSD (works on some other OS). My understanding is that the stub resolver in the base system does not handle any DNSSEC functionality. It's not clear (at least to me) that DO bit processing in stub resolvers is very useful -- without support in the recursive resolver you use upstream, it won't work, but if your recursive resolver does DO processing, then you don't need it in your stub resolver. named(8) in the base system is DNSSEC capable, but if you want to run an authoritative server with the data signed using DNSSEC then you should probably run one the dns/bind98 port due to the much improved key handling support in mor recent BIND versions. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig8E300474AEE1E5D64425BA78 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3+1+sACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzQfACfSehH7temsN4IchQ2QvhnYvfB 5VcAnjbuLnzxZFGMfYEPn6JNgeOLAUaN =S0W6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8E300474AEE1E5D64425BA78-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 05:23:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211DA106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11C48FC14 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sbhfislrext02.fnfis.com ([192.168.249.140]) by SCSFISLTC01 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5K5N01M016326; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:23:00 -0500 Received: from sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.122]) by sbhfislrext02.fnfis.com with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:22:56 -0500 Received: from sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM ([10.132.248.122]) by sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:22:59 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.104] ([10.132.254.136]) by sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:22:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: <20110620004052.GA31512@thought.org> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:22:57 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4BF0E206-2DE8-4EB6-BAC7-A3B82153DCE9@vicor.com> References: <20110620004052.GA31512@thought.org> To: Gary Kline X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2011 05:22:59.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E6F97B0:01CC2F0A] Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: which utility is it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:23:01 -0000 On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > guys, > > i have it tatooed on my forehead that ``xev'' relays keycode > information about X appa--say xload or xclock. which utility gives > to the size in pixels and give you the -geometry info about an X > app? i'm trying to maximize the realestate of my display. > xdpyinfo(1) E.g., $ xdpyinfo | grep dim dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (473x350 millimeters) $ xdpyinfo | grep depths depths (7): 16, 1, 4, 8, 15, 24, 32 # note: the first one listed is the active depth $ xdpyinfo | grep -A3 screen default screen number: 0 number of screens: 1 screen #0: dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (473x350 millimeters) resolution: 86x87 dots per inch depths (7): 16, 1, 4, 8, 15, 24, 32 -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 05:55:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE092106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:55:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11E68FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5K5mWwY013491 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:48:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4DFEE0B6.2060204@rawbw.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:55:02 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:55:03 -0000 On 06/18/2011 10:19, Yuri wrote: > I tried ekiga but it doesn't work. It gets into standby mode and stays > this way. I think it's because of firewall. There is the PR for this. > I looked into Empathy. On Linux telepathy-sofiasip should be installed > to add SIP to empathy, and on FreeBSD there is no such port. As a follow-up to my own question, I added two new ports (net-im/sofia-sip and net-im/telepathy-sofiasip) that should add SIP functionality to empathy IM client: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=158061 For some unknown reason empathy malfunctions when SIP protocol is selected. Maybe it's because current version in ports is outdated or maybe it's something with my station. I am investigating this. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 05:57:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D43106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93F48FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D068BE80319; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:57:47 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Devin Teske Message-ID: <20110620055747.GC755@thought.org> References: <20110620004052.GA31512@thought.org> <4BF0E206-2DE8-4EB6-BAC7-A3B82153DCE9@vicor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4BF0E206-2DE8-4EB6-BAC7-A3B82153DCE9@vicor.com> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: which utility is it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:57:48 -0000 On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:22:57PM -0700, Devin Teske wrote: > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:22:57 -0700 > From: Devin Teske > Subject: Re: which utility is it? > To: Gary Kline > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) > > > On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > guys, > > > > i have it tatooed on my forehead that ``xev'' relays keycode > > information about X appa--say xload or xclock. which utility gives > > to the size in pixels and give you the -geometry info about an X > > app? i'm trying to maximize the realestate of my display. > > > > xdpyinfo(1) > > E.g., > > $ xdpyinfo | grep dim > dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (473x350 millimeters) > $ xdpyinfo | grep depths > depths (7): 16, 1, 4, 8, 15, 24, 32 > # note: the first one listed is the active depth > $ xdpyinfo | grep -A3 screen > default screen number: 0 > number of screens: 1 > > screen #0: > dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (473x350 millimeters) > resolution: 86x87 dots per inch > depths (7): 16, 1, 4, 8, 15, 24, 32 > > -- > Devin > To Chip and Devin, YES! So time to add to my ~/.Notes file _now_ before i forget. thanks, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 06:55:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11A3106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 06:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ftp51246-2575596@sh4-5.1blu.de) Received: from sh4-5.1blu.de (sh4-5.1blu.de [213.83.63.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831548FC1C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 06:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.50) id 1QYY3c-0001l4-PE; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:34:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:34:00 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Bill Tillman Message-ID: <20110620063359.GA4506@sh4-5.1blu.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 06:55:49 -0000 message from Bill Tillman > > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:42:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bill Tillman > To: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? > > ... > > Oh and just in case...I use Asterisk on FreeBSD-8.2-STABLE as my PBX for my > private home office. I connect via SIP with a VOIP provider who provides not > only phone service but a DID as well. I use SIP phones (actual phones, not > software) to make my SOHO appear to be a professional corporate office with > transfers, conference calls, Music on hold, voice mail, the works. I > occassionally use an IAX softphone or SIP softphone program on Windows to make > and receive calls but for the most part I use the actual phones. Several friends > and family members have asked me to set them up similarly but unless I could > make it totally handsfree for them there is no way it will ever work, simply > because they are not hobbyists like me and have no desire to do anything but > click a big button on their desktop which looks like a phone. Anything beyond > that and you're into the realm of impossible....again. Hello Bill, I've read this about Asterisk with special attention and interests. At the moment I have at home a 'normal' ISDN BRI telephone (two D-channels) and DSL for Internet. I'm thinking in replacing the ISDN telephone with some small FreeBSD box running Asterisk and allowing: - SIP clients (Ekiga) from my laptop and the laptop of my wife (both WLAN) to do normal calls via Asterisk (at the end through the ISDN line), or SIP calls when I'm traveling around with my laptop/netbook; - having 1-2 SIP phones connected via WLAN to the FreeBSD Asterisk as well to be always reachable (even if the laptops are down) Maybe you have some documentation to share (off-list) about your installation, or some hints about. Thanks in advance matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 08:48:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE8E106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E204C8FC17 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1QYZcH-000Dtk-71 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:13:53 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:13:51 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Index: AcwvIQlAgI1zA7i3RMifi7YpxK5AhA== Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:13:51 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:52 -0000 Hi List=0A= =0A= We have a FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0 server running as a general unix shell serv= er. Recently the system has been running at high load (average 8, and cpu 1= 00%), and even more recently we've started seeing the following types of = error when we do cvs commits on the system. The system has between 150 to 2= 00 users on it during the day.=0A= =0A= ---=0A= "/: write failed, filesystem is full"=0A= Error: /tmp/file.commit.72971.tmp: No space left on device; /tmp/file.commi= t.72971.tmp: WARNING: FILE TRUNCATED=0A= ---=0A= =0A= The disks are definitely not full (this shows up in df -hi), both in terms = of storage space and inode utilisation. However the cpu utilisation is perm= anently at 100%, and we're aware of which processes are causing the utilisa= tion. My question is: Is it possible, under some circumstances that cpu st= arvation could result in the type of "filesystem is full" errors we're seei= ng above?=0A= =0A= Thanks in Advance,=0A= Traiano Welcome=0A= =0A= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 09:10:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AC21065756 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:10:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB52F8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5K9Ampw064063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5K9AmvM064062 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA16139; Mon, 20 Jun 11 02:00:58 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:00:32 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <4dff0c30.jiHHe0yTqCkGZtyD%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: mixing local and remote package repositories X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:10:49 -0000 No answer on ports@, maybe someone here knows. Suppose I start to install some packages using "pkg_add -K -r" and something goes wrong partway through. When trying again, AFAICT there is no way to tell pkg_add to first look for any package that it needs (e.g. dependencies) in the local repository created by the previous run's -K switch, but fall back to the remote repository for any not found locally. It's not immediately obvious how to accomplish such a retry with portmaster either, since -PP --local-packagedir= would want the local repository to be formatted in the same way as the remote ones -- and it doesn't look as if "pkg_add -K -r" does that. Is there a simple way to create the /Latest and category symlinks that portmaster needs, given only a collection of packages in the /All directory? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 09:23:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487551065680 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@slightlystrange.org) Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org (cpc2-cmbg14-2-0-cust883.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [86.26.3.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081078FC17 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan by catflap.slightlystrange.org with local (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QYahv-00015b-Om for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:23:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:23:47 +0100 From: Daniel Bye To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <20110620092347.GA14851@catflap.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions References: <4DFEAD65.70306@a1poweruser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DFEAD65.70306@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 Sender: Daniel Bye Subject: Re: /etc/rc.d/jail using new-style jail command? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:23:49 -0000 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:16:05PM -0400, Fbsd8 wrote:=20 > Give the qjail port a try. It has the ability to reference jails by name= =20 > and create jails without starting them. Though it does not use the=20 > new-style jail command. zsh/2 1002 # make install =3D=3D=3D> Installing for qjail-1.0 =3D=3D=3D> Generating temporary packing list =3D=3D=3D> Checking if sysutils/qjail already installed install: /data/portbuild/usr/ports/sysutils/qjail/work/qjail-1.0/qjail-jail2: No such / file or directory *** Error code 71 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/qjail. Any progress on getting the port fixed? I really like qjail, and find it pretty intuitive, but the port hasn't worked properly since it was added to the collection. Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3/EaMACgkQixf5fBYiFmrxjwCfS8aw3R6R8AfZhZqd4D5tepjI 3IkAoKNiS0X9XuSZezNgNxwLP1XJvoHz =EOjC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 10:01:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4DB106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:01:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444738FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe6 with SMTP id 6so1520712wwe.31 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 03:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.201.142 with SMTP id fa14mr4834873wbb.48.1308564082433; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 03:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c17sm3046868wbh.29.2011.06.20.03.01.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 03:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DFF1A70.3030300@my.gd> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:01:20 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:01:24 -0000 On 6/20/11 10:13 AM, Traiano Welcome wrote: > Hi List > > We have a FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0 server running as a general unix shell server. Recently the system has been running at high load (average 8, and cpu 100%), and even more recently we've started seeing the following types of error when we do cvs commits on the system. The system has between 150 to 200 users on it during the day. > > --- > "/: write failed, filesystem is full" > Error: /tmp/file.commit.72971.tmp: No space left on device; /tmp/file.commit.72971.tmp: WARNING: FILE TRUNCATED > --- > > The disks are definitely not full (this shows up in df -hi), both in terms of storage space and inode utilisation. However the cpu utilisation is permanently at 100%, and we're aware of which processes are causing the utilisation. My question is: Is it possible, under some circumstances that cpu starvation could result in the type of "filesystem is full" errors we're seeing above? > > Thanks in Advance, > Traiano Welcome > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Are you really sure your file system is not full ? 1/ sync 2/ df -h 3/ df -i From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 10:26:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665BF106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0548FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1QYbg3-000H5l-33; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:25:55 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:25:53 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: Damien Fleuriot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: (no subject) Thread-Index: AcwvIQlAgI1zA7i3RMifi7YpxK5AhP///mgAgAAmEwo= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:25:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <4DFF1A70.3030300@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4DFF1A70.3030300@my.gd> Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:26:01 -0000 Hi Damien=0A= =0A= (apologies for top-posting, handicapped mail client).=0A= =0A= Actually, "/" (by /tmp) is filling up, and clearing very rapidly due to tem= p files being created and removed at high speed. We ca only see this=0A= by doing:=0A= =0A= ---=0A= #!/usr/bin/perl=0A= while(1){=0A= $timestamp =3D localtime();=0A= system("echo $timestamp `df -h /tmp` >> /home/traianow/dfstats.txt");=0A= system("echo $timestamp `du -sh /tmp` >> /home/traianow/dfstats.txt");=0A= sleep 1;=0A= }=0A= ---=0A= =0A= =0A= We're seeing this fast-changing disk space usage patterns like this, repeat= ing every few tens of seconds:=0A= =0A= ----=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:41:54 2011 844M /tmp=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:41:55 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /de= v/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% /=0A= =0A= Mon Jun 20 11:41:55 2011 849M /tmp=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:41:56 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /de= v/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% /=0A= =0A= Mon Jun 20 11:41:56 2011 849M /tmp=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:41:57 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /de= v/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% /=0A= =0A= Mon Jun 20 11:41:57 2011 849M /tmp=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:41:58 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /de= v/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% /=0A= =0A= Mon Jun 20 11:41:58 2011 849M /tmp=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:01 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /de= v/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% /=0A= =0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:01 2011 849M /tmp=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:02 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /de= v/amrd0s1a 989M 141M 769M 15% /=0A= =0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:02 2011 3.2M /tmp=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:03 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /de= v/amrd0s1a 989M 142M 768M 16% /=0A= =0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:03 2011 4.8M /tmp=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:04 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /de= v/amrd0s1a 989M 145M 765M 16% /=0A= =0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:04 2011 7.7M /tmp=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:06 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /de= v/amrd0s1a 989M 148M 762M 16% /=0A= =0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:06 2011 10M /tmp=0A= Mon Jun 20 11:42:07 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /de= v/amrd0s1a 989M 150M 760M 16% /=0A= ----=0A= =0A= =0A= What I'm trying to determine is what caused the change in temp file writing= behaviour on the server, and if this is the kind behaviour likely on a hea= vily loaded box with cpu running at 100% (which this system is). i.e, do pr= ocesses like cvs that write tmp files suddenly start writing more temp file= s when starved for cpu, leading to this kind of behaviour? =0A= =0A= =0A= Thanks,=0A= Traiano=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.= org] on behalf of Damien Fleuriot [ml@my.gd]=0A= Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 12:01 PM=0A= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A= Subject: Re: (no subject)=0A= =0A= On 6/20/11 10:13 AM, Traiano Welcome wrote:=0A= > Hi List=0A= >=0A= > We have a FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0 server running as a general unix shell se= rver. Recently the system has been running at high load (average 8, and cpu= 100%), and even more recently we've started seeing the following types o= f error when we do cvs commits on the system. The system has between 150 to= 200 users on it during the day.=0A= >=0A= > ---=0A= > "/: write failed, filesystem is full"=0A= > Error: /tmp/file.commit.72971.tmp: No space left on device; /tmp/file.com= mit.72971.tmp: WARNING: FILE TRUNCATED=0A= > ---=0A= >=0A= > The disks are definitely not full (this shows up in df -hi), both in term= s of storage space and inode utilisation. However the cpu utilisation is pe= rmanently at 100%, and we're aware of which processes are causing the utili= sation. My question is: Is it possible, under some circumstances that cpu = starvation could result in the type of "filesystem is full" errors we're se= eing above?=0A= >=0A= > Thanks in Advance,=0A= > Traiano Welcome=0A= >=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A= > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A= > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg"=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Are you really sure your file system is not full ?=0A= =0A= 1/ sync=0A= 2/ df -h=0A= 3/ df -i=0A= _______________________________________________=0A= freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A= http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A= To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "=0A= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 10:28:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC08106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:28:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward6.mail.yandex.net (forward6.mail.yandex.net [77.88.60.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6C98FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp9.mail.yandex.net (smtp9.mail.yandex.net [77.88.61.35]) by forward6.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 285BAF81A84 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:28:04 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1308565684; bh=X+cLsOh2StR7BQ3N+0Z7BSs2VKLB2o5/Xhp2bmOpmDI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KTn/BXTipVVork+HfzaFt0SgPBiwHI14xMVUTot9ffHXlHc4h+dO68+0XHa1zpEsx LdujtQ7kSsQlS4HL3XnKsnhdP56/PLr90bxxnTxiqtXUtim+Aig9svkJ8gpN3dIw6R AVae2iJxxikHavLjprjKX1dPGyTX7zGNJosyEiIs= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.52.4]) by smtp9.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id E91204BA00C2 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:28:03 +0400 (MSD) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:28:06 +0300 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <10110430193.20110620132806@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Cc: Subject: pw buggy behaviour X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:28:06 -0000 Hi How this can be? # pw user add quagga pw: user 'quagga' already exists # pw user show quagga pw: no such user `quagga' #cat /etc/passwd | grep quagga quagga:*:101:101::0:0:Quagga Daemon:/usr/local/etc/quagga:/sbin/nologin #cat /etc/master.passwd | grep quagga quagga:*:101:101::0:0:Quagga Daemon:/usr/local/etc/quagga:/sbin/nologin # pw user show quagga pw: no such user `quagga' -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 10:37:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A69E106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward6.mail.yandex.net (forward6.mail.yandex.net [77.88.60.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EC58FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp6.mail.yandex.net (smtp6.mail.yandex.net [77.88.61.56]) by forward6.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id BC79FF81A66 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:37:10 +0400 (MSD) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1308566230; bh=1U1Z9qBeC5cA5LI3TcTQ2GoAsnzNlxsaR0O7++NLptI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BSM6NTg0K/R66QKexy4/WzPxWeKY5AnZWeCU5PV9UlBlWvF0smPt+KPJuexlLknOv RJMUB4U5f2ceK3Qat7WWczWDjHlUzN5Rk4O+G1gqyClCn0C7V+/63jYRWWpIjZjHyW 8Rb+Rm10girKuhBLkdsTcaxwjJD6ScWQUf7Cf6oE= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.52.4]) by smtp6.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 78CD22A8079; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:37:10 +0400 (MSD) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:37:13 +0300 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <364152640.20110620133713@yandex.ru> To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= In-Reply-To: <10110430193.20110620132806@yandex.ru> References: <10110430193.20110620132806@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pw buggy behaviour X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:37:12 -0000 Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Êîíüêîâ. Âû ïèñàëè 20 èþíÿ 2011 ã., 13:28:06: ÊÅ> Hi ÊÅ> How this can be? ÊÅ> # pw user add quagga ÊÅ> pw: user 'quagga' already exists ÊÅ> # pw user show quagga ÊÅ> pw: no such user `quagga' ÊÅ> #cat /etc/passwd | grep quagga ÊÅ> quagga:*:101:101::0:0:Quagga ÊÅ> Daemon:/usr/local/etc/quagga:/sbin/nologin ÊÅ> #cat /etc/master.passwd | grep quagga ÊÅ> quagga:*:101:101::0:0:Quagga ÊÅ> Daemon:/usr/local/etc/quagga:/sbin/nologin ÊÅ> # pw user show quagga ÊÅ> pw: no such user `quagga' the command pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd resolves the problem, but why this happen is strange... -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 11:11:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56B2106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7326B8FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24901E504; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:11:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KBBPBZ001626; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:11:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:11:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20110620131125.4a964b61.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619043839.b11b2559.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619031516.GD21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619054052.fe43bf10.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:11:28 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:32:24 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:15:16 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: > >> I've used "nocona" with my core2 with satisfactory results. > > > > Is there a list that states which CPU should be used with > > (at least) which CPUTYPE setting? > > /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf Yes, that is where I got the initial setting of "core2" from. but it didn't work out of the box. However with the hint of first omitting CPUTYPE, compiling and installing the system, then setting it to "core2" and doing the run again, it worked. Time per compile run was a little bit more than 2 hours, which is acceptable (compared to more than 7 hours for 7-STABE on my current system, less cores, but more GHz). :-) For further system updates per source, there should now be no more problem with using the correct CPUTYPE setting. However, I'll have to check why "Giant" is that bad that I don't get the bktr (Brooktree TV capture card) into the kernel... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 08:02:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2324C10657AE for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dennis.perisa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC3B8FC20 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so928813iyb.13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 01:02:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id :date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=J0plCFGggeFCmr2FunI6RFV5VVOcFPlEfGTaclP1pRU=; b=wk5ZKD7iMW+4utG7PiEz2/31BQwSxrYYzMQBDD/XQvBEKGOMDPGQLYatCIkvfjViFr MTpifSy5AFkzyxcTIxujOBBIHSg6t3uYevahymVwj9PoBXv+qniJm4YaM63/XfxRDsNF wYTE7WnfU//bCSL7Lxozbf0qJIaO3AwDFXdQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=yEDwjrwSLFZHU3YtYve3pmwrPSnu7AJEdLirM01UoVQdW5TMDSV/LrjUdkOGgcEpUe AEZoK2YTt4O7+W2ZgLdWqqHkfRbqQSf1fCQlfUOvj1oJNnoAtN2WggwiipO8wbLdlpct ndX6YgeZkV3eWtJpDGOx/cip1NtcasP9Uo08w= Received: by 10.231.116.92 with SMTP id l28mr5070240ibq.20.1308555444983; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.203.161.69] ([120.156.255.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm3029473ibc.42.2011.06.20.00.37.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Perisa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148a) Message-Id: <1CD0B939-8FD2-4BFC-8027-33CCB0BD9681@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:35:12 +1000 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:11:54 +0000 Cc: Subject: FreeBSD paid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:02:02 -0000 Hi guys, Are there paid support services available for FreeBSD? If provided by a 3rd p= arty, can you name or even recommend a few? Regards Dennis= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 11:22:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CF71065672 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:22:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1762A8FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED571E0F7; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:21:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KBLwd2001636; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:21:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:21:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110620132158.08bc64f7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:22:00 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:34:51 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Would you care to elaborate on that statement? Is your prejudice based > on the fact that there is nothing in the open-source community that can > even begin to match the robustness and ease of use of MS Office, [...] Are you refering to the surprising fact of incobpatibilites between different versions, and betweeen same versions of different architectures (32/64 bit)? :-) As it has been mentioned, "next year" problems has never been a field where users could rely on MICROS~1 products. It's traditionally been the users of open source programs that had to do the "magic" to import + export defective "Office" files. And outside MICROS~1 land, their "Office" files are not very much appreciated. > Unlike your appraisal of the situation, I find that users use office > suites, in this case MS Office because it offers the end user what they > want. I've already heared so many users complaining about the "Ribbon" UI and seen them transitioning their infrastructures to more "old-fashioned" interfaces like of OpenOffice. Users had a hard time learning menues (although they would never admit), and now something different? Something that requires you learning and recognizing pictures instead of words? Pictures that dynamically change location and size? Depending on window size and what the cursor is currently pointing on? "No Sir, I don't like it." is a common statement. > Specifically, an all-in-one application that integrates > seamlessly into their home or work environment without the need of > additional software. The egg-laying wool-milk sow, a one size fits all program, has proven in history that it's nothing more than a big pile of problems that claims to be able to do everything, but in the end, fails at simple things. Modularity is the key. Open standards are the future. History teaches exactly that. The fact that home consumers and corporate "big-thinkers" don't want to realize this doesn't make any difference. In the end, they will all pay, on one or another kind. > Microsoft's decision to offer MS Office in several flavors was a wise > investment. The MS Office Home and Student 2010 can be purchased for > $79 from many distributors. I know over a dozen users who have > installed this very suite on their home PCs simple because the > price+value exceeds anything available anywhere else. You can legally download and install OpenOffice for $0.00 and even exchange files with older versions of that program, even with StarOffice. Can you do that with "MS Office"? Surely not. And your files are in a documented and standardized XML format. This means they can be opened in the future, unlike the strange and secret memory-dump formats (that sounds SO wrong) that older "Office" programs did use. Open software usually is of high value that is in NO relation to its price (for the end user, which is zero), simply because it has to be on par with the "big ones", and in many cases, it is _better_ than the "big ones", because its developers don't think in quarterly terms and in how much units they will sell. They don't have to. They have a better motivation. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 11:36:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96094106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:36:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1548FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3911D975; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:36:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KBaHwI001678; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:36:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:36:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20110620133617.48643fbc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:36:19 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:30:46 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > It's not "prejudice". That assumes I prejudge. My judgment is based on > years of fighting with the BS features of office suites of all > descriptions for years, and loathing every minute of it. I don't care > whether they're open source, closed source, or blue-green algae source. I think you're fully right, I also made comparable observations during many years. Allow me to point you to the following document: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html As an "old man", also allow me to point to history. In the past, german users did use text mode word processors in english language. They were able to learn how to use them, and they produced better- looking results with them (on the printers of that time!) than they do today with their "wonderful" programs. Why? Because they can't handle them. It's no use how much effort programmers and UI designers put into creating a text processing program. People are just too stupid to _properly_ use it. I'm sure you know that there are templates for designing text attributes, just as you use CSS to configure what certain HTML tagged text should look like. Users don't use them. They think: "This is a headline. According to my counting, it is 3.1.2., and it should be *click* bold face and *click* *click* *click* 15 points, ah, and I want another *click-many-times* font for that." You can easily deduct what happens when the table of contents changes, or when the font size changes. Hell, I've even seen people doing two column documents with spaces. SPACEs!!! > Office suites are basically just featuritis sores growing on the faces of > our computer working environments. Feature creep has gotten so out of > control in MS Office that the "ribbon" was invented to deal with the fact > that it had far more features than the interface could reasonably manage. > The "ribbon" is, in fact, basically a very clever, well-designed answer > to a problem that should never have existed in the first place, and as > such the "ribbon" ends up being little more than one more feature in > something that has far too many features in the first place. About the "Ribbon", read (and see) more here: http://toastytech.com/guis/win72.html It's page 2 of the "Windows 7" GUI demonstration, lower part. > People actually open MS Word or OO.o Writer to do nothing but make > simple, unformatted notes to themselves. > Have you people never heard of > a damned text editor? No, because "Word" is everything that exists. This demonstrates the main reason of the presence of MICROS~1 products: Their "education" of users. It begins in school and continues in work environments. They put a lot of money into their advertising programs. Furthermore, today's users can't concentrate on what text _is_, they can just think in terms of what text _looks like_. The new standard HTML 5 will be a real pain for them. :-) > For all the document merging and management features of these things, in > the end one is usually better off not using any of them; just cut and > paste instead. Cut and paste takes less than a minute, but I've seen > "expert" MS Office users spend half an hour screwing around with document > merging to do what could as easily have been done with a simple cut and > paste. It can be even worse, when documents get faxed and retyped and corrected many times. Yes, that really happens, I frequently see this "professional" stuff in action. :-) > For actual content merging, despite all the derogatory noises MS Office > users will typically make about the evils of the command line and how > difficult it is to use, what might take an hour in MS Office can often be > accomplished in roughly equivalent fashion using simpler file formats and > a couple of command line tools like grep and cat in under five minutes. Actual content? WHO creates actual content? Business? Haha! :-) Honestly: I've build a working environment in the past where multi-platform operations are essentially needed, for creation of technical documentation. I had my kids... erm user, users! :-) learning CVS and LaTeX, a bit of GNUplot, and one of them can also write scripts (shell, awk, sed, perl and so on). They now do fully function and produce high quality documents, used for web publication and printing. They were coming from a MICROS~1 environment, and they had never believed me that investing a little time into learning could make them that productive. Productivity. Do I need to say more? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 11:38:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014671065670 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:38:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DE78FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36331E137; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:38:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KBc3Xa001682; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:38:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:38:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20110620133803.0bbf169c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619030510.f5e8f6b2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619043839.b11b2559.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110619031516.GD21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619054052.fe43bf10.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:38:05 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:22:56 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > Oops, I didn't read the question accurately. This might be more > useful: > http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-Options.html Oops, and I answered too fast: YYes, that's the kind of list I was searching for. Now it's quite easy to deduct the correect CPUTYPE <- -m <- actual processor name. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 11:50:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA3C106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B35C8FC1C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EAD1E4F9; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:50:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KBoohK001708; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:50:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:50:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jurgen Debo Message-Id: <20110620135049.958a3a9d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:50:51 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:03:11 +0200, Jurgen Debo wrote: > Open source software is not related to the comfort to configure or install > software. I traditionally see the "ease of installing" software on "Windows" when users call me to _do_ it. Things are aleays easy if you leave them to others. :-) > It depends how the software is written. In this regards, MICROS~1 didn't do a good job if you recall how complicated and time-consuming (physical presence required) it is to install their products... > If You want to be hacked in no time, trust me, do run Microsoft servers. > And if You are not hacked, it is, You did have luck or You are not running > important websites. And recovery, repair and resurrection is traditionally a job for the high-payed non-MICROS~1 guys. :-) > When people do buy a PC they got > Microsoft software for free. No, they pay for it through OEM contracts. However, they do not pay when ilegally downloading expensive products and installing such pirated versions; it's a common setting here in Germany, even for small and medium businesses. It originates from the misbelief that "nothing else exists", and "you _must_ have it", as well as "software doesn't cost anything because it's not material". > To run programs, it is just fun. But if You would trace all outgoing > connections > from Your workstations to the internet, if You have no concerns about > security, privacy > and so on, then I can understand Your vision. It's a total no-go in relation with industry espionage and product development. > And Russia did recommend recently their citizens to switch to Linux. > Btw from decades, the best hackers were Russians. MICROS~1 is known to be in relation to governments that want to know everything. Funny that they don't have a mass contract with the russian government... > If you want Your company to expose everything to the public, to breach > security and > privacy, yes, run Microsoft software. Again, I've seen that in reality. Very ugly. > If You have insight inside the software of Microsoft, You would see, there > is always > a backdoor which is not closed, which is used to send information to the > internet. > Those backdoors are exploited by hackers to enter into the OS. It's interesting what you can see when you run a packet monitoring program (e. g. Wireshark, ex Ethereal). :-) > Blaming Microsoft. Who does write closed protocols ? Microsoft. Who does > refuse > to deliver properly software which does connect seamless with the Unix > environment ? > Who does refuse to open the DirectX library of games etc. They have no future doing so. The end approaches, and they know it. > Microsoft is a commercial entity and they have no interest in open software. As long as they can't buy it, enclose it, sell it. > At the contrary > they want to create a closed box. This will be the trend of the future I think. Closed boxes, maybe TVs and mobile devices (pads, cellphones, low-power netbooks and so on), while computation takes place on high-power servers. The PC is an experiment (started in the 80s) that's soon reaching its end. A failed experiment, so to say. > FreeBSD can be compiled from Source. You can read all code. > You can't do this with Microsoft OS. This also introduces trouble when things do NOT work. This is the point where you have to do diagnostics. In open source, you can find out such things - you have error messages and sources to check. In proprietary software, you can call the manufacturer, he then claims he doesn't have the problem, and you're screwed. I've just seen that situation with a book-keeping software running on "Windows". Solution? None. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 11:57:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDE0106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F09E8FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE993CA48; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:57:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KBveH9001728; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:57:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:57:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Bill Tillman Message-Id: <20110620135740.f75d4c00.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <179528.87578.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <179528.87578.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:57:43 -0000 Thanks for coming back on-topic. :-) On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:42:51 -0700 (PDT), Bill Tillman wrote: > The main reason is that hackers in this world have=20 > caused all of us to in one way or another deploy firewalls. And I would s= ay that=20 > 99% of the non-hobbyists out there don't have a clue how to configure the= ir=20 > firewall, indeed many of them don't even know they have one working. Whet= her=20 > it's M$ built-in firewall or the firewall on their ISP supplied router/mo= dem, or=20 > the hotel they are staying at is blocking SIP ports. Unless you can get t= he=20 > person on the other end to receive your phone call then very little works= . Which=20 > is a real shame because as a hobbyist I have done some really neat things= with=20 > SIP phones, Asterisk, not to mention VPN and other packages. But without = another=20 > hobbyist on the other end, its proved more than impossible to get things = working=20 > which I could really use on a daily basis. I think another problem worth mentioning is that ISPs also tend to control what you're doing with your Internet connection. Some of them block using POP/SMTP/IMAP, "encouraging" you to use their service, and some of them will surely also do the same to SIP related activities, as they also provide a phone service you "should" use. And if you're starting to put everything into a secure tunnel (SSH or the like)... well... you must be an evil-doer. :-) See "net neutrality" as a related term. > Oh and just in case...I use Asterisk on FreeBSD-8.2-STABLE as my PBX for = my=20 > private=A0home office. I connect via SIP with a VOIP provider who provide= s not=20 > only phone service but a DID as well. I use SIP phones (actual phones, no= t=20 > software) to make my SOHO appear to be a=A0professional corporate office = with=20 > transfers, conference calls, Music on hold, voice mail, the works. That would be a suggestion I would _always_ give when a PBX is required, and it's really nice for business as you don't have to administrate two nets (computer network, phone network). On the other hand, I'm still searching for a solution to make "PC + phone" workstations built from PCs, and later on, from Thin Clients, so you have both functionalities in one device. This is good for the environment (less power consumption), and it's also good because it needs less administration time. On the other hand, it allows flexibility and easy use. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 12:23:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E371065680 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDCC8FC2A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38so917287qyk.13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:23:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=1o2KJuVzHfVT5XP3dXyxPsBaVo/tUdo23JTlaa7y0XI=; b=MgC0Z68zAASnvzvGfZA2kuf8x+xFyTpoM8IIJu0ZxbW04l0z11Yrwg34+PQAUzdPzZ FT2rkT/RIUgIF3UspuXqcZXAc6y50qHx7bgBYBSCZVTq00GdjGq1IoOBhn97z76SeMJ/ 1aasjURtrnajmWLgW3rJOzqnELEylwcbKtVIQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Ux+wDxXvqRYYYOKmLAwc2dJVnpErx7Yy5Uye20oZDLJvf1Orkj86Nv3mNLChlpPy4C XdzPa+/N162idLWYH8WhYduglP7+Ntr//GfLTCX3Sdj6R4o9jrvFqjaOYgrC7D+51ZCB 5x0G4dJpFxWTV3dDLhNxZgUFKNH70xq2niOAM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.218.7 with SMTP id ho7mr3806597qab.39.1308571036745; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 04:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.36.212 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 04:57:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1CD0B939-8FD2-4BFC-8027-33CCB0BD9681@gmail.com> References: <1CD0B939-8FD2-4BFC-8027-33CCB0BD9681@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 07:57:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Dennis Perisa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD paid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:23:02 -0000 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Dennis Perisa wrote: > Hi guys, > > Are there paid support services available for FreeBSD? If provided by a 3rd > party, can you name or even recommend a few? > > Regards > Dennis_ Please see : http://www.ixsystems.com/bsdsupport Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 12:56:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFD5106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CE38FC22 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C4C3C984; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:56:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KCuhTm001855; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:56:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:56:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110620145642.cc73c025.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:56:45 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:22:48 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Open or closed makes no relative difference to me or the majority of > users as has been demonstrated numerous time with various software > titles. The majority doesn't always have to be quantitative. (Rosa Luxemburg) Average home users avoid learning, reading, thinking. They take whatever comes with the PC. What comes with the PC is a deal between the manufacturer or reseller and MICROS~1. This is a win-win situation for both of them. The user will pay anyway. Sometimes, the user doesn't even pay for things he does _not_ use. An example I recently read is that MICROS~1 profits from any HTC Andoid phone sold, and they got more money from that deal than from selling their own phone stuff. http://www.businessinsider.com/htc-pays-microsoft-5-per-android-phone-2011-5 http://www.asymco.com/2011/05/27/microsoft-has-received-five-times-more-income-from-android-than-from-windows-phone/ You are free to see moral implications, but in the end, it shows again what kind of face this corporation as, although it's hidden behind a shiny package. Finally it's all about making money, the primary objective of a company. It's just by which means you get there. > The bottom line is does it work and what is the learning curve > of the product. I think you have a wrong interpretation of what learning means, especially in IT context, and in regards to end users. They do not learn - at least they claim not to. Their knowledge is of short life. What they learned once (e. g. for one version of "Word") doesn't apply anywhere else (e. g. in the next version of "Word"). Constant relearning of arbitrary things is needed, and because it's not done, they are unable to properly use the products. This causes a loss in productivity, and on other fields of use, a rise of security problems. > It has been demonstrated numerous times that the > majority of end users do not want to invest large amounts of time > trying to get an application configured and up and running. I fully agree with that. They do not want to even use a particular program. They want a RESULT, and they want it NOW. The computer with its programs is just a tool. Now you have to judge that tool. Is it a good one that helps you in productivity? Or is it a bad one that stands in your way, shoots your foot, or makes your data disappear? > With the > exception of the hobbyist, that is virtually always true. The term "investing time" contains "investing". This means, you put something in, you do a struggle to achieve something, and after some time, it pays for you. Because people like car analogies, here's one: You have a bike, it's been cheap. But you need to transport fridges all day long. So you get a waggon, also for quite cheap. Works? Yes. But it's very hard. Now you invest (!) in buying a car, taking driving lessons, pass the driving test. It's quite expensive. And the monthly costs for the car. But in the end, you can transport more fridges, more easily. Your investition payed in the end. But you had to learn. Learn all the funny signs, bars and circles, and blinking lights, the strange rules, left and right, precedence, the knobs and displays, 1-2-3-4-5-R (or P-D-R), the pedals, the levers. Looking, pushing, pulling, turning, all at the same time. Quite complicated at the first time. But with experience, with "learning by doing", you are a good car driver now. You haven't been in the past if you wouldn't have invested time and money. > I am not sure about this ICQ rant. I think one main problem with ICQ is that among their terms of use, there was something like "Everything you write on ICQ belongs to us", but I'm not fully sure. > I never was much for IMs anyway. Well, me too. I've been using Jabber-based services in the past (free), but I think regular e-mail and chat (IRC) took over the IM functionality for me. In relation to average home users (and often also corporeate users), simple e-mail stuff is too complicated for them. They can't quite, can't answer. They print my message and phone me. They can't send attachments, they can't open them. A typical situation, at least in Germany. > I have been in various environment and I been exposed to both Linux and > Microsoft servers. I cannot say with any certainty that BSD servers > were employed however. You don't see the good servers. They run the Internet. Because they run UNIX. :-) > The quality of the server is usually, at least in my own > experience, directly related to the personnel who are responsible for > its configuration and maintenance. Veryy true, I also agree with this. Although there is a lot of potential in how a server OS is preconfigured (secure, insecure), those who operate it make the difference. You can easily conclude what happens if _nobody_ operates and maintains them: Trouble. Let me give you an example from reality: While being travelling, I had my WLAN check running in the hotel where I stayed. Nearby, a network of an attourney at law was shown (could be deducted from the name shown). This network was not protected at all. I could easily browse files, and also print a message to their printer. Next day, I visited the law firm and asked them if they had IT problems related to WLAN. "No, our boss installed it, he said it was very easy." When I suggested the assistant to look at the printer output where my message was... well, they were very surprised. (In Germany, it's not against the law if you interact with unprotected networks, it's like a "free offer".) I've seen _many_ of such constellations where you would be SCARED TO DEATH if you would know where your data goes. Lawyers, doctors, insurances, schools and advertising agencies are just few examples. > They released > Kinect in advance of *.nix forcing others to play catch-up. I hope it's okay if I quote those uses for "Kinect" on "Windows" from a discussion forum: 1. If you salute with 3 fingers, Windows asks if you want to reboot 2. If you "salute" with 1 finger, Clippy asks if you meant "Thank You!" 3. If you face away from the computer, and bend forwards, Windows asks if you are ready for the "Window Genuine Validation Test". 4. Imitating Jerry Seinfeld - no effect on Windows. 5. Standing perfectly still and expressionless - Windows says, "Hello Melissa!" I like #3 most. :-) > To control > any theater of operations you must get ahead of the curve. Very true. That's why the Internet still runs on UNIX, not on "Windows". > While hobbyists love anything not Microsoft, in the medical profession, > legal profession, etcetera, Microsoft rules. There are highly > specialized software written for their operating system that simply > does not exist anywhere else. For accounting, there's more choice of software for AS/400 (IBM i) than for "Windows". This also goes for medical software where just the front-ends, sometimes in the form of client programs, sometimes as web interfaces, run "Windows" on PCs. What's behind the curtain, nobody really knows (at least not the users). This highly-specialized software is also highly expensive. This is one of the reasons why the services you mentioned are among the most expensive services available. They need to invest high amounts of money to stay in operation. A constant renewal of fully functional parts is required. > When it comes to Office Suites, there is > nothing even remotely close to what Office 10 offers, no matter what > flavor you prefer. It depends on what OFFER you have to rely on. Interoperability? Standardizedness of document formats? Long-term storage? Support for integration with other software? Safe for the future? > OO tried for over ten years and never even produced > an Office-97 clone that was anywhere as fully functional as the > prototype. Yes, they produced something better. :-) > I have seen grown men and women reduced to tears trying to > get OO to accomplish what MS Office could easily do. And I've seen the opposite with "modern" "Office" applications. Things that should be easy aren't anymore. > Again, this is not > a criticism but a simple statement of fact. I'm sure everyone interprets it as this. > Before anyone can seriously > make an attempt to dethrone Microsoft, they have to produce an Office > Suite that is as fully functional as and compatible with existing MS > Office products. The "compatible with" will be one of the bigger problems, as being compatible with something that you don't know anything about is complicated. > That is just not going to happen in the foreseeable > future. Yes, I think so, too. In the future, more and more document processing will take place through a web-driven interface, be it on corporate servers or on a google-provided platform. > I think this tidbit is rather interesting: > > The German Foreign Office first started using Linux as a server > platform in 2001 before making Linux and open source software their > default desktop choice in 2005. Most observers thought the move a > success. However, the government will now transition back to Windows > XP, to be followed by Windows 7, also dropping OpenOffice and > Thunderbird in favor of MS Office and Outlook. This decision is originated from a consulting deal. You know, those who DECIDE in state administration do not have much clue about what they are doing, so they pay others to tell them what to do. The problems originated from interoperability with MICROS~1 programs. They also refused to just update their OpenOffice programs to solve that problem. And it's also the users of the office programs that - due to their inability to adopt to new things - didn't get their work done because they could not conclude from their "knowledge" (about how things are done in some outdated "Word") how to do their work with OpenOffice. If they would have learned those BASICS in the first place, there wouldn't have been such trouble and refuse. You can easily imagine the upcoming screaming when the transition to "Windows 7" and "Office 2010" is done. :-) It's also an example of german stupidity. Just see the danger of using an almost 10 years old system, and the costs of further new hardware and software. Oh the endless cirlce of licensing costs and repeating renewal... and WE have to pay for that. I can't even eat as much as I want to barf... A counterexample is the insurance company LVM in Germany. They migrated their whole PCs to Linux. We're taling 10,000+ units. Their main goal is to get standardized systems as soon as possible. More and more businesses are migrating to standardized and managed environments. "Cloud Computing" still isn't an important topic to them, but the advantages of free software appeal to more and more corporate users. (And as you know, people want to have at home what they know from work, there will also be a transition on some parts of the home consumer markets.) Especially in the financial world, theer is currently much trouble with long-term considerations. Old files need to be opened, but what do you do if you can't run the software and the hardware anymore? What if the software isn't available anymore? You don't have any documentation about what's in the binary blobs. And each day you don't get the problem solved costs you money... However, the bigger an entity gets (company, governmental administration), the bigger their computers get. And in those environments, "Windows" just plays a small role. For example, in financial administration, PCs are empty (no disks, no drives), they boot via LAN into a virtualized "Windows", and then they interact with an IBM /z mainframe. This causes much less costs per workplace (in relation to a full-blown PC with locally installed "Windows" and all the software). For another example, big building centers use Thin Clients (terminals) to connect in 80x25 textmode to their AS/400 system which connects terminals, printers, cash registers, barcode scanners, storage systems and web interfaces. Here the per-workplace-costs are also lower than if one would try do to something similar with "Windows" (which is impossible as the required software doesn't run on that). > Until open-source proponents stop blaming Microsoft for their problems > and rather focus on making better and easier to use applications the > demise of Microsoft is certainly not in sight. Developing something secretly and indoctrinating users that everyone should support this _is_ worth blaming. >From my individual point of view - and please see it as what it is: my very exclusive experience - I've always been using free software being better and easier to use than any MICROS~1 offer. To me, their software is fully uninteresting, and it is so for many years. I couldn't care less. > The same can be said of any OS. For instance, with FreeBSD one catch is > that there are virtually no drivers for "N" class wireless devices even > though said devices have been available for over 5 years. It's not the devices that need to be available. It has to be their specifications and internal information so they can be made working, usually by someone who takes the time to write a driver according to the documentation that he can access for free. If this isn't given, attempts to reverse-engineer things are the only way to go. > There is ALWAYS a catch no matter what OS you > are referring to. And again, I do agree with that. It's just a matter of preferences, requirements and habits. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 12:59:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A7C106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:59:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CD28FC32 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5DCBE0D7.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.224.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5KCcSVT069644 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:38:29 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5KCcvhT080618 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:38:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5KCcqbo051226 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:38:57 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106201238.p5KCcqbo051226@fire.js.berklix.net> to: questions@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:25:52 +0200." <4DFE9390.2030001@bah.homeip.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:38:52 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:59:19 -0000 > I've set freebsd-chat as follow-up Me too. Postings about copyright etc too numerous/ boring/ ignorant/ irrelevant, Too much focus on American law that does not apply to many of us on this international list, eg Bernt H's Sweden, my bases of Britain & Germany, & 190+ other non USA countries. Diversion to next gab about international Bern Convention would be equally bad. People should write less & read more, Try here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works Posting should comply with list remits, else we can report senders for removal from lists. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions freebsd-questions -- User questions http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat freebsd-chat -- Non technical items related to the community Please subscribe & use chat@ Thanks Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 13:09:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE402106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:09:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E9E8FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DF83CBEA; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:09:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KD9Hmb002040; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:09:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:09:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20110620150917.b97c3e5e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110618053100.GA16059@thought.org> References: <20110615195027.GA1196@thought.org> <20110618053100.GA16059@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:09:19 -0000 On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:31:00 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > right. i booted into single-user and fsck still gave me the NO > WRITE response; then i did a > > # shutdown now to get a # prompt in single-user and got the same > NO WRITE. Only it did fix the errors. dunno... strange. This isn't succicient as whem going MUM -> SUM the file systems will stay mounted. To be sure, _start_ the system in SUM 8select the proper item from the boot menu, or use "boot -s" at the loader prompt). In this mode, only / will be mounted ro, all other partitions won't be mounted and can therefore be checked AND modified. Of course, you can also boot the system from a live system CD and issue the fsck commands from there, using the device names instead of the mountpoints. After successfully repairing the partitions, they will be marked clean. At next system startup, there won't be a long fsck run. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 13:37:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC44106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:37:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@x.it.okstate.edu) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (x.it.okstate.edu [139.78.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FE88FC18 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by x.it.okstate.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5KDbaot089006 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:37:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@x.it.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <201106201337.p5KDbaot089006@x.it.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <89004.1308577056.1@x.it.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:37:36 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:37:37 -0000 Following up on a question I wrote Friday June 17, a person from this list kindly referred me to the FreeBSD Handbook and the sections on configuring Ethernet interfaces. It has an excellent example as to how to set the default gateway from the command line. I tried it and it worked. Can a second interface such as fxp1 also be informed about the router on its network while we still keep the default route for fxp0? I hope to remotely ping both fxp0 and fxp1's ip addresses from off site and get an answer from both. So far, fxp0 is visible off of its network and fxp1 is only present on its subnet. It appears that you can only have one default route per system and I need this system to appear on both networks for a day or so while we move from one subnet to another. I presently have FW rules for fxp1 that should totally open everything: 00090 allow ip from any to 192.168.1.250 via fxp1 00091 allow ip from 192.168.1.250 to any via fxp1 Obviously, I am still missing something. Thanks for any explanation as I think this sort of thing is fairly common. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 13:55:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BF7106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23708FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from russet.local (reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5KDscjP014282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:55:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5KDscjP014282 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1308578103; bh=kgHl/+LMMMcx92i0RKwK8CdPzBaYHgKg21Hs/yUjgEg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4DFF5113.5000909@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20M on,=2020=20Jun=202011=2014:54:27=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.17)=20Gecko/20110414=20Thunderbird/3.1.10|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Two=20Net works=20on=20one=20System|References:=20<201106201337.p5KDbaot0890 06@x.it.okstate.edu>|In-Reply-To:=20<201106201337.p5KDbaot089006@x .it.okstate.edu>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|Content-Type:=20multi part/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applicat ion/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig9660581E 49EF478F84BF9AE6"; b=OsxpvziOHcJmw90jqHukM3zR9eJHM/9FRZRTahvoHJ+eaJqAfcKDznNLeQsfw+k0L bIGzbyROWGXWRn0sKbCRLAaQZvOrhEW8Btmtw13AxjTYm/Hjs5AWLaspO0bw2bY1/u qncjqeWoTTXE0kBaVyldsFSGh/j5+pLgBQmrxizE= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4DFF5113.5000909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:54:27 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106201337.p5KDbaot089006@x.it.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <201106201337.p5KDbaot089006@x.it.okstate.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9660581E49EF478F84BF9AE6" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:55:07 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9660581E49EF478F84BF9AE6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 20/06/2011 14:37, Martin McCormick wrote: > Following up on a question I wrote Friday June 17, a > person from this list kindly referred me to the FreeBSD > Handbook and the sections on configuring Ethernet interfaces. It > has an excellent example as to how to set the default gateway > from the command line. I tried it and it worked. Can a second > interface such as fxp1 also be informed about the > router on its network while we still keep the default route for fxp0? >=20 > I hope to remotely ping both fxp0 and fxp1's ip > addresses from off site and get an answer from both. > So far, fxp0 is visible off of its network and fxp1 is > only present on its subnet. >=20 > It appears that you can only have one default route per > system and I need this system to appear on both networks for a > day or so while we move from one subnet to another. >=20 > I presently have FW rules for fxp1 that should totally > open everything: >=20 > 00090 allow ip from any to 192.168.1.250 via fxp1 > 00091 allow ip from 192.168.1.250 to any via fxp1 >=20 > Obviously, I am still missing something. >=20 > Thanks for any explanation as I think this sort of thing > is fairly common. Yes. It's common in the sense that a lot of people think its something that should work, and get confused when it doesn't prove simple to set up= =2E In principle, absolutely, you can set up routing to diverse upstream locations and have it all work properly. In practice, unless you are familiar with internet routing protocols *or* both your upstream gateways are actually part of the same organization and they offer 'bonded links' or some such, then you aren't going to make this work. Certainly not as a transitional thing -- even with full blown BGP setups, it still takes several minutes for routes to reorganise themselves in the event of a failure somewhere. While you can't have multiple default routes, you can certainly have more specific routes that go via other gateways. Usually with routing, the choice of route is made by matching against the destination address, but you can use other criteria. The key words are 'policy based routing' -- you'ld actually use a firewall (ipfw or pf) to implement that. [Also, usually some sort of NAT to rewrite the source address of the packets] Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig9660581E49EF478F84BF9AE6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3/URwACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyD1gCeOcpRCBiEmaIkieKZ+EIDaIld pO4AnRDhBtHBMmS1UKYVsuqi04ArTq+M =DzqU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9660581E49EF478F84BF9AE6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 13:57:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3541065673 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [67.130.252.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D298FC29 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDEE50857; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:57:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B6FB640DA0; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:57:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A6C40D9E; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:57:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.163]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:57:51 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: "'martin@x.it.okstate.edu'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:57:51 -0500 Thread-Topic: Two Networks on one System Thread-Index: AcwvT1SJjcb0ytqiRsi2WMkhGgJ/9AAArYvj Message-ID: <22282_1308578272_4DFF51E0_22282_7149_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C56E@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <201106201337.p5KDbaot089006@x.it.okstate.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:57:53 -0000 Probably only a single active "default" global ip route, but you can add ne= twork/host routes to prefer a specific interface for said routes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin McCormick [mailto:martin@x.it.okstate.edu] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 08:37 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Two Networks on one System Following up on a question I wrote Friday June 17, a person from this list kindly referred me to the FreeBSD Handbook and the sections on configuring Ethernet interfaces. It has an excellent example as to how to set the default gateway from the command line. I tried it and it worked. Can a second interface such as fxp1 also be informed about the router on its network while we still keep the default route for fxp0? I hope to remotely ping both fxp0 and fxp1's ip addresses from off site and get an answer from both. So far, fxp0 is visible off of its network and fxp1 is only present on its subnet. It appears that you can only have one default route per system and I need this system to appear on both networks for a day or so while we move from one subnet to another. I presently have FW rules for fxp1 that should totally open everything: 00090 allow ip from any to 192.168.1.250 via fxp1 00091 allow ip from 192.168.1.250 to any via fxp1 Obviously, I am still missing something. Thanks for any explanation as I think this sort of thing is fairly common. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 14:12:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C761065670 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068F98FC15 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5KEBxZp028030; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:12:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110620091159.0198ccf8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:11:59 -0500 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. 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Stone wrote: > >[snip out a lot] >> >> What did you fellows do about this issue that worked best for you assuming >> y'all had vhosts and similar stuff to worry about? > >Me I just bit the bullet and went with the new locations as they were >installed as defaults. I moved my content to the location. None of my >content cared about the underlying file system path, however there is code >that does. When faced with this most of the time there is some configuration >utility that can be run to make changes, with the actual data you enter >being stored in a database backend. This then becomes a choice of "is it >easier to simply modify the docroot in the .conf files?", if you have this >situation. > > >-Mike > Just a follow-up on my own experience with upgrade to apache22 and its change of path. I was just overthinking it. Simply changing the doc root in the main httpd conf to match my exising one worked beautifully with any concern about moving content around and breaking the system path for scripts and things. By modifying the www/apache22/data back to www/data left everything as was. My production servers are now updated this way. My web serving was only down for a few minutes as I left apache2 running in memory. I simply uploaded copies of all of my tested .conf files from the test server before installing apache22. Also first made the minor changes needed to the main conf and vhost.conf. Killed the apache2 and voila! Thanks for your version of the process, but thought I'd post mine here too just in case there is anyone left on the planet besides me that hasn't already upgraded to apache22. Truly it doesn't pay to get too far behind on upgrades.... (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 14:18:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295F0106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A198FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5KEIb4J028138; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:18:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110620091837.0198ccf8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:18:37 -0500 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110617192644.03caff20@38.106.15.121> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:18:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:18:38 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:18:39 -0000 At 06:49 PM 6/17/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >Jack L. Stone wrote: > >[snip] >> Oh, forgot that I did have to struggle apache22 still wanted to install db42 instead of my db46 and caused the apache22 build to stop. After a bit of looking, the problem wasn't with the apache22 Makefile but with the apr1 Makefile. Way down it called for "db42+" which I suppose meant at LEAST db42. Instead apache22 saw it as db42 literally. A change in the apr1 Makefile to db46 specifically fixed things. This caused my earlier problems I mentioned, but I didn't yet know why. (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 14:44:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95841065672 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:44:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2CE8FC18 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (unknown [192.168.1.100]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E351B2 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 152.121.16.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:44:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01f6c5132f6d45a13e0057882f6e4af3.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <1CD0B939-8FD2-4BFC-8027-33CCB0BD9681@gmail.com> References: <1CD0B939-8FD2-4BFC-8027-33CCB0BD9681@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:44:13 -0400 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: FreeBSD paid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:44:22 -0000 On Mon, June 20, 2011 3:35 am, Dennis Perisa wrote: > Hi guys, > > Are there paid support services available for FreeBSD? If provided by a > 3rd party, can you name or even recommend a few? I haven't tried any, so I can't make recommendations, but the FreeBSD website has a listing: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/commercial.html Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 14:46:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF031065675 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:46:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (x.it.okstate.edu [139.78.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FDA8FC1B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by x.it.okstate.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5KEk2wL089474 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:46:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <201106201446.p5KEk2wL089474@x.it.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <89472.1308581162.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:46:02 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:46:03 -0000 Matthew Seaman writes: > Yes. It's common in the sense that a lot of people think its something > that should work, and get confused when it doesn't prove simple to set up. Thank you. I think I may have stumbled on to what I need to do discussed in the Handbook under the multi-homed host section. We won't be doing any routing between the two networks but I think I have been using the wrong form of the route command as there is an example of something very similar which I will try to see if the second NIC will finally find its router. I appreciate your answer as it clears up a few more questions I had. My thanks also to Gary Gatten >Probably only a single active "default" global ip route, but you can add network/host routes to prefer a specific interface for said routes. Again thanks to all. I will keep digging. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 15:41:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CE1106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1833E8FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:41:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=yyXb8nM2U8E3RRuHNuwhnKZayrP/6HIEEO72mdCENGA=; b=DrqG7Sa4cqibPh+yE2mylDxWmKDHlEKCBbDQ//6+j5tB0peezV+ReJ1bmz9KGAvZGpoXf69KElNNYc41TxdIV2nqOq20X1WnYyyNgFsV1pFZTUVR5iA6AE6VfOXUknMMIGkt5bVbDyUJbTaajP6KSYksdUGrstTqDtT4rHXl71E= Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:41:18 -0700 Message-ID: <4DFF6A21.9070901@a1poweruser.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:41:21 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions References: <4DFEAD65.70306@a1poweruser.com> <20110620092347.GA14851@catflap.slightlystrange.org> In-Reply-To: <20110620092347.GA14851@catflap.slightlystrange.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2011 15:41:18.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F64F370:01CC2F60] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Subject: Re: /etc/rc.d/jail using new-style jail command? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:41:25 -0000 Daniel Bye wrote: > On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:16:05PM -0400, Fbsd8 wrote: >> Give the qjail port a try. It has the ability to reference jails by name >> and create jails without starting them. Though it does not use the >> new-style jail command. > > > zsh/2 1002 # make install > ===> Installing for qjail-1.0 > ===> Generating temporary packing list > ===> Checking if sysutils/qjail already installed > install: > /data/portbuild/usr/ports/sysutils/qjail/work/qjail-1.0/qjail-jail2: No such > / file or directory > *** Error code 71 > > Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/qjail. > > > Any progress on getting the port fixed? I really like qjail, and find it > pretty intuitive, but the port hasn't worked properly since it was added to > the collection. > > Dan > Dan, qjail installs fine for me. You have something mis-configured on your system. /data/portbuild/ is invalid path which is not part of an normal install. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 16:00:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDE0106567A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220EF8FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5KG0EbI014041 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:00:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5KG0Em3014038 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:00:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: doug To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Subject: How to repair networking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:00:17 -0000 I was running 8.2 stable and kde3.5. Originally I want to install chrome. I trying to update the many interlocking components I eventually got to the point where I thought I would just start again so I removed all ports. At this point I lost networking, neither DHCP or manually configuring an IP address worked so I put my data on a USB drive and really started over. My question is would rebuilding the world likely have worked? If what else should I have tried before jumping off the deep end? Thanks for any thoughts Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 16:01:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6A81065677 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:01:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 698648FC1A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21102 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jun 2011 16:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2011 16:01:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=jVSywxCaJVPgsPIBxake7KL1Kt3+JzqYk0hdOZB405T+pRi0nsBRysyyJCv5K3NJdmpBYI7nS41CyII7+jtkDcdVHnSFXVVKmxVfb9r8zptXZ+xeh4HjkSvG1aicNpOU; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYgv3-0006fE-HE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:01:46 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:46:24 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:46:24 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110620154624.GA89286@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> <20110620133617.48643fbc.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5vNYLRcllDrimb99" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110620133617.48643fbc.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:01:47 -0000 --5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 01:36:17PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:30:46 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > It's not "prejudice". That assumes I prejudge. My judgment is based > > on years of fighting with the BS features of office suites of all > > descriptions for years, and loathing every minute of it. I don't > > care whether they're open source, closed source, or blue-green algae > > source. >=20 > I think you're fully right, I also made comparable observations during > many years. Allow me to point you to the following document: >=20 > http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html I started reading it. I intend to finish reading it some time before lunch, though I have other things I need to do for a while first. What I have seen so far seems pretty accurate, though. >=20 > You can easily deduct what happens when the table of contents changes, > or when the font size changes. Hell, I've even seen people doing two > column documents with spaces. SPACEs!!! For my purposes, that wouldn't be as bad as the converse, sometimes. I sent someone a set of two simple text files last week, each line a label and a value separated by ": ". I asked for the values to be edited to be correct for the recipient's circumstances (too much to go into to explain the particulars, so we'll keep it vague). The idea was that, once I got it back, I would use a simple script to pull the data from the file and insert it into a hierarchical database, where each file corresponded to a different subrecord. Yesterday (after sending my previous email to this thread), I got the result back. The data had been combined into one MS Word OOXML document (.docx). Well, that wouldn't be *too* bad, I suppose, because I could just "save as" plain text if it was in the same format, and use tail and head to break the data into two files again. Unfortunately, the mutilation of data was not so simple. It had been shoved into one page per text file's worth of data, arranged in four tables of one column each to present a four-column format on the page. I still managed to do everything I needed to do in under twenty minutes, but if the data had been left in the plain text, linewise format I had sent to this person, I would have been able to do it all in about *two* minutes, including the time spent writing the script to grab the data and shove it into my database. The thing that most bothered me about all this is the fact that it must have taken this person twenty minutes *at least* just to create that absurd table-columnar format in the first place, and that's assuming the person had some way to automatically place the data in these tables' cells, rather than having to cut and paste each datum individually. So, basically, people are so compromised, so brainwashed, so afflicted by office suite Stockholm Syndrome, that they will spend between twenty minutes and an hour formatting simple text data in a frankly hideous four column format when the end result is that I will have to spend another twenty minutes undoing all of that to insert the data into a database. Yes, this person knew I was going to use a script to put the data into a database and throw away the file. Somehow, though, it *never* occurs to such people to just leave well enough alone, save everyone some time, and do the minimum that needs to be done. This is what happens when an office suite "expert" gets his or her hands on a simple data format. If it was some amateur who created columns using spaces, it would have altered the data format I expected and required me to add an extra step to the script I used to bend the data back into a useful shape -- but it would not have appreciably increased the time needed. Things would have been *much* easier to deal with under those circumstances. =2E . . and, somehow, social convention tells me it would be rude to let this person know (for next time) that everything will be much easier for everyone if the data is just left in its original format. > > > > For all the document merging and management features of these things, > > in the end one is usually better off not using any of them; just cut > > and paste instead. Cut and paste takes less than a minute, but I've > > seen "expert" MS Office users spend half an hour screwing around with > > document merging to do what could as easily have been done with a > > simple cut and paste. >=20 > It can be even worse, when documents get faxed and retyped and > corrected many times. Yes, that really happens, I frequently see this > "professional" stuff in action. Oh, it's even worse than that. My girlfriend had a co-worker not long ago who received a Microsoft Office document that the higher-ups wanted her to edit and enhance somewhat. She spent ten minutes trying to figure out why she was having such a hard time making the needed changes. My girlfriend (has a technical, rather than office administrative, job -- and is thus regarded as a "computer expert" and asked for help with such things) was asked for help. After poking at it for a little bit, my girlfriend figured out that her co-worker had printed out the document at some point (probably for easier reading), then scanned it back in to make edits. Obviously, this was not going to work. My girlfriend solved the problem by suggesting her co-worker edit the *original* file instead of the scanned copy. This was a Microsoft Office "professional", of course. >=20 > Honestly: I've build a working environment in the past where > multi-platform operations are essentially needed, for creation of > technical documentation. I had my kids... erm user, users! :-) learning > CVS and LaTeX, a bit of GNUplot, and one of them can also write scripts > (shell, awk, sed, perl and so on). They now do fully function and > produce high quality documents, used for web publication and printing. > They were coming from a MICROS~1 environment, and they had never > believed me that investing a little time into learning could make them > that productive. >=20 > Productivity. >=20 > Do I need to say more? That pretty much sums it up. Minimal-complexity standards compliant formats, flexible tools that each do one thing well, and an environment that allows rapid and natural composability of functions (e.g., FreeBSD) are the tools of people who want to get things done. Office suites are the tools of people who want to look busy. Consider the stories of major corporations literally banning use of PowerPoint and seeing a significant productivity boost. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3/a1AACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVV9wCfWdUC2ei5ED6XnE1ii2DYER/T +XsAoN7XF7kSc6VHecr+4JALSAvNw0LL =yzkz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5vNYLRcllDrimb99-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 16:29:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDD5106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:29:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AEC8FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350DB3CB3B; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:29:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KGT4e0002742; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:29:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:29:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20110620182903.aa056264.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110620154624.GA89286@guilt.hydra> References: <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> <20110620133617.48643fbc.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110620154624.GA89286@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:29:07 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:46:24 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 01:36:17PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > You can easily deduct what happens when the table of contents changes, > > or when the font size changes. Hell, I've even seen people doing two > > column documents with spaces. SPACEs!!! > > For my purposes, that wouldn't be as bad as the converse, sometimes. I've seen that kind of other typographic aspect, two column text already, results get really ugly. Just and whenever you have to imagine you would have to change page settings, font insert or delete some words. sizes, attributes or any Very professional. :-) > I > sent someone a set of two simple text files last week, each line a label > and a value separated by ": ". I asked for the values to be edited to be > correct for the recipient's circumstances (too much to go into to explain > the particulars, so we'll keep it vague). The idea was that, once I got > it back, I would use a simple script to pull the data from the file and > insert it into a hierarchical database, where each file corresponded to a > different subrecord. This CSV approach is very handy for automated processing, I'm using it for various purposes (e. g. technical data gets calculated from CSV to tables and diagram data, rendered by gnuplot, and images, tables and values in text are automatically inserted into the main document; change values -> "recompile" document -> get new values in _all_ places where needed). > Yesterday (after sending my previous email to this thread), I got the > result back. The data had been combined into one MS Word OOXML document > (.docx). Well, that wouldn't be *too* bad, I suppose, because I could > just "save as" plain text if it was in the same format, and use tail and > head to break the data into two files again. Unfortunately, the > mutilation of data was not so simple. It had been shoved into one page > per text file's worth of data, arranged in four tables of one column each > to present a four-column format on the page. Cool, must be the same kind of person who, when asked to send a picture image file, puts it into "Powerpoint", copies that presentation into a "DOC" file, imports that into an "Excel" table and finally compresses it with RAR, while renaming the file extension ".PDF". :-) > I still managed to do everything I needed to do in under twenty minutes, > but if the data had been left in the plain text, linewise format I had > sent to this person, I would have been able to do it all in about *two* > minutes, including the time spent writing the script to grab the data and > shove it into my database. Text, pure ASCII text, is _the_ standard format for data interchange (and I'm not paying attention to EBCDIC on IBM here). People start realizing this when they can't open their documents anymore. That's why I like LaTeX for example. It's pure text. There is a difference between the document one is working on (semantic document), and the result (typographic document). But understanding that difference and its many advantages requires some brain power. :-) > The thing that most bothered me about all this is the fact that it must > have taken this person twenty minutes *at least* just to create that > absurd table-columnar format in the first place, and that's assuming the > person had some way to automatically place the data in these tables' > cells, rather than having to cut and paste each datum individually. In a "funny" way, people seem to have time for this. An example I've seen is a programmer who's job it is to take the data files output by a mainframe system (plain text with numbers and text, usually column-oriented) and manually (!) put it into "Excel" tables, arrange them, and prepare for printing. It would of course be much easier to write an output processor for the mainframe to deliver LaTeX or even OpenOffice XML files, and she as a programmer would much prefer to do this, but no, the "big boss" wants it that way. (Note: She is a professional mainframe PROGRAMMER who spends her time manually arranging data - this must be very disappointing.) > So, > basically, people are so compromised, so brainwashed, so afflicted by > office suite Stockholm Syndrome, that they will spend between twenty > minutes and an hour formatting simple text data in a frankly hideous four > column format when the end result is that I will have to spend another > twenty minutes undoing all of that to insert the data into a database. They also do this with "Excel" tables they use as a worse phonebook. Keep in mind that even with their plentycore processor tenmelonhundred GHz systems, they treat their PCs as worse typewriters, creating the ugliest results, assuming this is the "only" thing that exists. > Yes, this person knew I was going to use a script to put the data into a > database and throw away the file. Somehow, though, it *never* occurs to > such people to just leave well enough alone, save everyone some time, and > do the minimum that needs to be done. Their scope of observation and attention is artificially narrowed down. There are other things to pay attention to, like the talking paperclip, the dog with the newspaper or other "important" things. It doesn't occur to them that there are things other people can do with computers that they can't, as they understand theirselves often as "IT professionals", where "professional" means that they - on their own! - can switch the PC on on their own and use the mouse. > . . . and, somehow, social convention tells me it would be rude to let > this person know (for next time) that everything will be much easier for > everyone if the data is just left in its original format. The task "leave it in the original format" would be too complicated to explain, I think. :-) Of course, it always depends on where data comes from and where it goes to. As I said, for automated processing text files are a very welcome means. > > It can be even worse, when documents get faxed and retyped and > > corrected many times. Yes, that really happens, I frequently see this > > "professional" stuff in action. > > Oh, it's even worse than that. WORSE? Than THAT? I'm expecting... > My girlfriend had a co-worker not long > ago who received a Microsoft Office document that the higher-ups wanted > her to edit and enhance somewhat. She spent ten minutes trying to figure > out why she was having such a hard time making the needed changes. My > girlfriend (has a technical, rather than office administrative, job -- > and is thus regarded as a "computer expert" and asked for help with such > things) was asked for help. After poking at it for a little bit, my > girlfriend figured out that her co-worker had printed out the document at > some point (probably for easier reading), then scanned it back in to make > edits. Obviously, this was not going to work. My girlfriend solved the > problem by suggesting her co-worker edit the *original* file instead of > the scanned copy. > > This was a Microsoft Office "professional", of course. Hopefully certified. :-) Well, I've seen that "solution", too. Receiving, printing, faxing, scanning, and THEN trying to edit. The picture was imported into the word processing software. Let me tell you that it can be worse, I've seen that _once_: The "professional" user imported the scanned document into an image processing software, and used _that_ to change some text. Of course, typesetting the whole thing got really complicated. The result was saved in JPG format. He took it home, said he needed more time. At home, he must have done the "safe / re-open" cylcle many times. When the result was delivered, it was almost grey because of the compression artefacts, and it looked like someone would have spilled a bucket of words across the page. Yes, THAT's reality. :-) > That pretty much sums it up. Minimal-complexity standards compliant > formats, flexible tools that each do one thing well, and an environment > that allows rapid and natural composability of functions (e.g., FreeBSD) > are the tools of people who want to get things done. A very good conclusion. With COMPATIBLE files, you can apply ANY tools you want, while proprietary files (and therefore programs) limit you in what you can do. You can even loose access to your files in worst case - while they are THERE. EFFICIENCY is a very important word here. You can only be efficient if you (1st) _have_ the proper tools and (2nd) properly _use_ them. Everything else will be accounted to work time. > Office suites are the tools of people who want to look busy. Nice statement, I will keep that in mind. :-) > Consider > the stories of major corporations literally banning use of PowerPoint and > seeing a significant productivity boost. I've not heared about that, but I think it was a good step. The use of "Powerpoint" mainly is entertainment (see the .ppt files floating around in corporate networks, causing "hihi" and "haha" all over the offices). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 16:35:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DC21065672 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:35:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@slightlystrange.org) Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org (cpc2-cmbg14-2-0-cust883.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [86.26.3.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71308FC24 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan by catflap.slightlystrange.org with local (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QYhRR-000Lv3-TS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:35:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:35:13 +0100 From: Daniel Bye To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <20110620163513.GC14851@catflap.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions References: <4DFEAD65.70306@a1poweruser.com> <20110620092347.GA14851@catflap.slightlystrange.org> <4DFF6A21.9070901@a1poweruser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GyRA7555PLgSTuth" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DFF6A21.9070901@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 Sender: Daniel Bye Subject: Re: /etc/rc.d/jail using new-style jail command? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:35:15 -0000 --GyRA7555PLgSTuth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:41:21AM -0400, Fbsd8 wrote: > Daniel Bye wrote: > >On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:16:05PM -0400, Fbsd8 wrote:=20 > >>Give the qjail port a try. It has the ability to reference jails by nam= e=20 > >>and create jails without starting them. Though it does not use the=20 > >>new-style jail command. > > > > > >zsh/2 1002 # make install > >=3D=3D=3D> Installing for qjail-1.0 > >=3D=3D=3D> Generating temporary packing list > >=3D=3D=3D> Checking if sysutils/qjail already installed > >install: > >/data/portbuild/usr/ports/sysutils/qjail/work/qjail-1.0/qjail-jail2: No= =20 > >such > >/ file or directory > >*** Error code 71 > > > >Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/qjail. > > > > > >Any progress on getting the port fixed? I really like qjail, and find it > >pretty intuitive, but the port hasn't worked properly since it was added= to > >the collection. > > > >Dan > > >=20 >=20 > Dan, > qjail installs fine for me. You have something mis-configured > on your system. > /data/portbuild/ is invalid path which is not part of an normal install. My system is set up just fine, thanks. My ports tree is located on a single server, and shared via NFS. To avoid hitting the rather slow disks in the host machine, each client sets WRKDIRPREFIX so that ports build locally.=20 This is fully supported by the ports system, and should not cause a well-behaved port to break.[1] And indeed, this configuration has been working flawlessly now for well over 6 years, and it is not the source of the problem now. This is what happens when I try to install qjail on the host where the ports tree lives: zsh/3 1001 # make install =3D=3D=3D> Installing for qjail-1.0 =3D=3D=3D> Generating temporary packing list =3D=3D=3D> Checking if sysutils/qjail already installed install: /usr/ports/sysutils/qjail/work/qjail-1.0/qjail-jail2: No such file or directory *** Error code 71 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/qjail. zsh/3 1007 # ls /usr/ports/sysutils/qjail/work/qjail-1.0/qjail-jail2 ls: /usr/ports/sysutils/qjail/work/qjail-1.0/qjail-jail2: No such file or directory The file isn't there. Bah! Scratch that. Just ran make distclean && make install and it works. My apologies, Joe, I should have tried that much sooner... I can only assume it happened because I installed the port by hand shortly after you announced its release a few months ago, before it was formally accepted as part of the tree. I guess I forgot to clean up after that manual test install and grab the latest version from the ports. To the originator of this thread - do give qjail a try - it's very good. ~runs away and hides Dan 1 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/porting-wrkdirprefix.h= tml --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --GyRA7555PLgSTuth Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3/dsEACgkQixf5fBYiFmrWcQCfQcqqsbNAfIntkyO+L7KacHY4 5Z8An0/kOITRr/zYn0KzH396NJKumZsk =cSYH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GyRA7555PLgSTuth-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 16:49:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D558B106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7288FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A9C3CD2E; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:49:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KGn3UA002803; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:49:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:49:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: doug@safeport.com Message-Id: <20110620184903.98007407.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to repair networking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:49:05 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:00:13 -0400 (EDT), doug wrote: > I was running 8.2 stable and kde3.5. Originally I want to install chrome. I > trying to update the many interlocking components I eventually got to the point > where I thought I would just start again so I removed all ports. > > At this point I lost networking, neither DHCP or manually configuring an IP > address worked so I put my data on a USB drive and really started over. My > question is would rebuilding the world likely have worked? If what else should I > have tried before jumping off the deep end? Thanks for any thoughts It should _not_ happen that removing installed ports prevents you from gaining essential networking functionality, such as obtaining data per DHCP. If you have installed the sources (/usr/src subtree), and the required building tools are working, try to rebuild world and install it as described in /usr/src/Makefile's comment section. If your world _matches_ the kernel installed, you can omit that step. In case it does _not_, you'll have to rebuild both world and kernel. Afterwards, you should be able to reinstall all needed ports and then restore the data to the system. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 16:32:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA891065670 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:32:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A3B78FC17 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2011 16:32:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.210] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2011 16:32:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2011 16:32:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 500919.15825.bm@omp1019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70293 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2011 16:32:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1308587575; bh=gn3mDr0kcw7KTZPwBIjo1BY3LMpHQxWI5326L1aDOdw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ALMnpSV+VfVBXeQl9Qy0XOxtpARJXr0Z2N9MowOXytGBTyg2oqyhMJVZkYjZO36A/4qUvwOsZpZyhAaCzyFiRMYDqgZMA0mFH5E2OqIHC9OTIxNEuTVW7FzFKdBGdPQkMdPkS3K3ZLLNezPs0p5Ej0anKcx7ppFBW5Gfjz7yOBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MVoZU9WaIr+YnOE+1Eo92ROyukFpVO8yKt0xUB+Gab595TtytAyL86hE8v7HsrpO75/LCthixhhMimLCRt6kaAtP27vHfdJYh8Si3Gws4nERXBWg4E6t7Zd3XzOQNmeNUwuvYN5zMsv1r8Bpkb9/RgbHAhwdVYOCtlElek9Sw70=; Message-ID: <332923.63090.qm@web160119.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ro39wJMVM1m_i4AFXAUGqfYD90P2g22bbP7.hkuKYMi1Z62 ThVaP2onAEiItm1uNSshGNhNibJ6VMWIT.ffUyxUNUoiw_yI8_b35FZmTJSc CzbnQyiFFMoEZdzMG2pzA7bq27.fsClt4Sbx8zQ66ViHe7vBUYonFinUZ7hm WM5HT2lv1gy3g7v_Vb0stIcaNyejONsr5n4OSbkPewmVtQRpZngdiECGbn35 fud7YOhmhhQREjBdw4jTD1cmxIQI6GE..6TEuGf92xDpY.up.LgwDcGfUIga AWz7F9oKFqVraW8FNWeGYnw_ZkduqW_zm_rNviGFkmfqBbU4sC3UzvTD4bxD ehZkLSsmxb6i1TXAXRFi8.HRy3AKXD16VeCCKdy1SkTt0FAmX0Aq_3dQ- Received: from [112.134.99.187] by web160119.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:32:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:53:47 +0000 Cc: Subject: How to connect a projector to a FreeBSD laptop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:32:56 -0000 Hi all I have a laptop running FreeBSD 8.1 with X server 1.7.5. I need to connect a projector to this laptop to show a presentation. After connect the projector to the laptop, I had rebooted the laptop, the projector's screen just blink only. Could somebody please highlight to me how to successfully connect a projector and what configurations needs to be done? Many thanks in advance. Unga From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 16:57:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53BA1065672 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E5F8FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852623CD5D; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:57:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KGvdLV002834; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:57:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:57:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Unga Message-Id: <20110620185739.885b4283.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <332923.63090.qm@web160119.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <332923.63090.qm@web160119.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to connect a projector to a FreeBSD laptop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:57:41 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:32:55 -0700 (PDT), Unga wrote: > Hi all > > I have a laptop running FreeBSD 8.1 with X server 1.7.5. > > I need to connect a projector to this laptop to show a presentation. > > After connect the projector to the laptop, I had rebooted the > laptop, the projector's screen just blink only. > > Could somebody please highlight to me how to successfully connect > a projector and what configurations needs to be done? You did correctly connect the projector before starting the machine. On most laptops you'll find a "CRT/LCD" key (usually among the PF keys on top) you need to press with the "Fn" key. This will cycle through three modes: LCD only -> LCD and CRT -> CRT only. Press this once or twice, and you should get output on the projector. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 17:01:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9CB106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:01:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FB98FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so1403077qwc.13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.222.203 with SMTP id ih11mr4135675qcb.250.1308589283200; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (ool-435056c7.dyn.optonline.net [67.80.86.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id mz7sm4250344qcb.11.2011.06.20.10.01.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:01:18 -0400 From: Chris Brennan To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110620170115.GA25684@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: New FreeBSD8.2 server install. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:01:24 -0000 I've got a new machine to replace the one that died on me a few weeks ago and since then, I've collected and cataloged my drives of various sizes and I am curious if I am able to do something like a poor-mans LVM, I thought about gmirror but that might be tricky, since I would have to slice drives up according to the smallest drive I have (current an unmarked 40GB drive). Is there a way within FreeBSD to concatenate the drives into a software raid0 array? **EDIT** I postponed this mail and actually got significant answers from freenode/##freebsd, more then I antisipated. gconcat is what I was looking for above and in lieu of that, ZFS, which I would very much like to utilize, I'm just not sure how to go about it with a hodge-podge collection of disks: 1) 1x150GB PATA/EIDE drive 2) 2x80GB Drives (1 SATA, 1 PATA/EIDE) 3) 1x60GB PATA/EIDE drive 4) 2x40GB PATA/EIDE drives The machine is a P4 Prescott, 2.6Ghz Machine (32-bit CPU), like I mentioned, I just don't know what to do and am looking for some suggestions. P.S. Currently, this machine is installed w/ the 150GB disk and I am sitting at the Fixit prompt because I may whipe the drive and start over with something else. -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 17:14:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E068C106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38528FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1E03CD94; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:14:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KHEBkc002902; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:14:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:14:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chris Brennan Message-Id: <20110620191411.bdbe54d6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110620170115.GA25684@gmail.com> References: <20110620170115.GA25684@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: New FreeBSD8.2 server install. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:14:14 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:01:18 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: > I've got a new machine to replace the one that died on me a few weeks > ago and since then, I've collected and cataloged my drives of various > sizes and I am curious if I am able to do something like a poor-mans > LVM, I thought about gmirror but that might be tricky, since I would > have to slice drives up according to the smallest drive I have (current > an unmarked 40GB drive). Is there a way within FreeBSD to concatenate > the drives into a software raid0 array? There is ccd - "Concatenated Disk drive"; see "man ccd" for details. Also see the chapters in the Handbook: The Vinum Volume Manager http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/vinum-vinum.html RAID http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/raid.html Those might be informative and inspiring. > **EDIT** > I postponed this mail and actually got significant answers from > freenode/##freebsd, more then I antisipated. gconcat is what I was > looking for above and in lieu of that, ZFS, which I would very much like > to utilize, I'm just not sure how to go about it with a hodge-podge > collection of disks: > > 1) 1x150GB PATA/EIDE drive > 2) 2x80GB Drives (1 SATA, 1 PATA/EIDE) > 3) 1x60GB PATA/EIDE drive > 4) 2x40GB PATA/EIDE drives > > The machine is a P4 Prescott, 2.6Ghz Machine (32-bit CPU), like I > mentioned, I just don't know what to do and am looking for some > suggestions. One thing is to use gstripe and gmirror, other is ZFS (but your machine should be _good_ to actually make use of it). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 17:19:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7275D106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:19:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D74E8FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15804 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jun 2011 17:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2011 17:19:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ZYn47zS1HCFKFH2WSPjv112KO2iIr4++Vh0euKP6dTGbCHNHGXZf56b7kDrZrN7NilOCQRfLE6ITdfYFXEKQ0d3iqe8mqnq99YzQMmjI5wbD4eedMlhPK/fxiFplHph3; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYi8b-0001LC-7z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:19:50 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:04:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:04:28 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110620170428.GA89605@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> <20110620133617.48643fbc.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110620154624.GA89286@guilt.hydra> <20110620182903.aa056264.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110620182903.aa056264.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:19:51 -0000 --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This email actually mentions Skype and SIP phones toward the end. On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 06:29:03PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:46:24 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > I still managed to do everything I needed to do in under twenty > > minutes, but if the data had been left in the plain text, linewise > > format I had sent to this person, I would have been able to do it all > > in about *two* minutes, including the time spent writing the script > > to grab the data and shove it into my database. >=20 > Text, pure ASCII text, is _the_ standard format for data interchange > (and I'm not paying attention to EBCDIC on IBM here). People start > realizing this when they can't open their documents anymore. That's why > I like LaTeX for example. It's pure text. There is a difference between > the document one is working on (semantic document), and the result > (typographic document). But understanding that difference and its many > advantages requires some brain power. :-) In general, the simplest possible format to achieve what is actually needed is the best option. This means that even LaTeX is usually the wrong choice. > > > > The thing that most bothered me about all this is the fact that it > > must have taken this person twenty minutes *at least* just to create > > that absurd table-columnar format in the first place, and that's > > assuming the person had some way to automatically place the data in > > these tables' cells, rather than having to cut and paste each datum > > individually.=20 >=20 > In a "funny" way, people seem to have time for this. An example I've > seen is a programmer who's job it is to take the data files output by a > mainframe system (plain text with numbers and text, usually > column-oriented) and manually (!) put it into "Excel" tables, arrange > them, and prepare for printing. It would of course be much easier to > write an output processor for the mainframe to deliver LaTeX or even > OpenOffice XML files, and she as a programmer would much prefer to do > this, but no, the "big boss" wants it that way. (Note: She is a > professional mainframe PROGRAMMER who spends her time manually > arranging data - this must be very disappointing.) Does this programmer get to write a simple script to translate to CSV, then import CSV into Excel, when the boss turns his/her back? > > > > So, basically, people are so compromised, so brainwashed, so > > afflicted by office suite Stockholm Syndrome, that they will spend > > between twenty minutes and an hour formatting simple text data in a > > frankly hideous four column format when the end result is that I will > > have to spend another twenty minutes undoing all of that to insert > > the data into a database. >=20 > They also do this with "Excel" tables they use as a worse phonebook. An Excel spreadsheet probably would have been easier to use, because of the ability to export as CSV. >=20 > It doesn't occur to them that there are things other people can do with > computers that they can't, as they understand theirselves often as "IT > professionals", where "professional" means that they - on their own! - > can switch the PC on on their own and use the mouse. In this case, it was an HR professional (though what we were doing was well outside of that working environment). >=20 > The task "leave it in the original format" would be too complicated to > explain, I think. I think the approach I need to take next time is to create a Web form that takes inputs for the values and does not allow the user to touch the key names. When the form is submitted, it creates a plain text file for me, or just adds it to the database automatically. Placing it in a browser would make things marginally more effort-intensive for the end user than editing a text file directly, but much *much* less effort-intensive than creating that four-column format. With luck, it would never occur to the end-user to copy and paste from the Webpage into a Microsoft Word document and send that to me. >=20 > Let me tell you that it can be worse, I've seen that _once_: The > "professional" user imported the scanned document into an image > processing software, and used _that_ to change some text. If the person in my case had decided to make changes in some image editing software, that at least would have been effective (for some definition of "effective"). Importing it into a Microsoft Word document, however, resulted in nothing getting done until someone else came along and asked "Where's the original document?" > > > > Consider the stories of major corporations literally banning use of > > PowerPoint and seeing a significant productivity boost. >=20 > I've not heared about that, but I think it was a good step. It has been a couple years since I started hearing about this stuff. I think the big names doing that kind of thing included Sun. After a couple months, of course, this kind of thing stops being news, so I have no idea who may still be doing stuff like this -- because nobody would report it any longer. As for making telephone calls with the help of a computer . . . I do not have high hopes for Skype in the future. As I think I mentioned in an earlier email, I expect Microsoft to "extend" Skype in ways intended to break compatibility with non-Microsoft platforms. I also expect that, if Microsoft really support Skype rather than just letting it die, it will get some MS Office integration "features" added to it that will make it the voice chat equivalent of exactly the sort of stupidity we have been discussing. An open source equivalent that could be run just as easily from the command line as from a GUI and is not dependent upon any specific OS platform's facilities in particular would be great. SIP phones and Asterisk PBXes are great for what they are, but they do not really address the needs of casual voice chatters who want telephone-like convenience without having to essentially set up their own telephone company offices. Of course, I don't think such a thing can really be entrusted to the Linux community these days. Portability is essentially the last thing on the minds of most Linux community developers lately, from what I've seen. So, too, is designing software without making it a monolithic GUI-only tool that has far too many useless features in a single application. For portability in particular, consider the problems of XFCE portability, and the fact there are people in the GNOME developer community who are questioning whether they should bother continuing to consider portability in the future. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3/fZwACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUIbgCg3qlJZ3+rFjZi/a60Z6cY8pZJ 3SsAoMHx4dj2Vn3LysH4JE1mR1PcrwU/ =y1Wh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 17:20:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B4410656E5 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Received: from shell.msen.com (msen.com [148.59.86.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226B08FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:20:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Sent-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from [192.168.1.106] (c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.40.255.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.msen.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5KH4njL061325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:04:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Message-ID: <4DFF7DBF.4030504@msen.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:05:03 -0400 From: Mark Moellering User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD , "Michael W. Lucas" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; envelope-from= Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; helo=[192.168.1.106] X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: shell.msen.com; Sender-ip: 68.40.255.141; Sender-helo: [192.168.1.106]; ) Cc: Subject: (email) server connection problem : Help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:20:12 -0000 I am Running a mail server (postfix / dovecot) on FreeBSD 8.1 I have 6 different domain names configured with 6 different ip addresses. I cannot log into the server via either ssl for email or ssh on the two domains that are .org and .info The connection is refused. Here is an example copied from a console; shell$ ssh -l LoginName mail.anadarkohs60.com The authenticity of host 'mail.domain_4.com(xx.yy.zzb.174)' can't be established. DSA key fingerprint is {snip} Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? no Host key verification failed. shell$ ssh -l LoginName mail.domain_3.org ssh: connect to host mail.domain_3.org port 22: Connection refused shell$ My guess is that it might be sshguard but I see nothing in the logfiles. I can ping to the TLD, mx records, etc check out. Everything works except for my .org and .info domain Any help is greatly appreciated. I hope it is one of those simple things I missed. Thanks in advance Mark Moellering 734.644.4757 Here is my hosts file; <<<<<<< current version ::1 localhost 127.0.0.1 localhost mail.main_domain.net xx.yy.zza.69 mail.main_domain.net mail xx.yy.zzb.100 mail.domain_1.com xx.yy.zzb.249 mail.domain_2.com xx.yy.zzb.62 mail.domain_3.org xx.yy.zzb.174 mail.domain_4.com xx.yy.zzb.180 mail.domain_5.info ======= # $FreeBSD: src/etc/hosts,v 1.16.34.1.4.1 2010/06/14 02:09:06 kensmith Exp $ # # Host Database Here is my pf.conf #PF Firewall Configuration File #Definitions interface="rl0" table persist file "/etc/attackers" table persist scrub in all #lock all traffic out of the server block in on $interface #block ssh and other attacks using sshguard block in quick on $interface from to any label "ssh attack" #allow ping, et al pass in on $interface proto icmp from any to $interface #allow in ssh , syslogd , ntp, http and https pass in on $interface proto tcp from any to $interface port 22 pass in on $interface proto udp from any to $interface port 514 pass in on $interface proto udp from any to $interface port 123 #pass in on $interface proto tcp from any to $interface port 80 #pass in on $interface proto tcp from any to $interface port 443 # allow outgoing connections pass out on $interface proto { tcp, udp, icmp } all keep state # allow e-mail / smtp (port 25) pass in on $interface proto tcp from any to $interface port 25 pass in on $interface proto tcp from any to $interface port 110 pass in on $interface proto tcp from any to $interface port 995 pass in on $interface proto tcp from any to $interface port 587 pass in on $interface proto tcp from any to $interface port 465 #Block addresses trying to break in block drop in on $interface from to any From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 17:44:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD7B1065674 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1B68FC19 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5B93CA0B; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:44:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KHi5rh002980; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:44:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:44:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20110620194404.4dceaa66.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110620170428.GA89605@guilt.hydra> References: <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> <20110620133617.48643fbc.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110620154624.GA89286@guilt.hydra> <20110620182903.aa056264.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110620170428.GA89605@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:44:07 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:04:28 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > This email actually mentions Skype and SIP phones toward the end. Much appreviated. :-) > In general, the simplest possible format to achieve what is actually > needed is the best option. True. > This means that even LaTeX is usually the > wrong choice. LaTeX is for typesetting text (articles, books, technical documents, maybe even letters) - nothing more, nothing less. I would _not_ claim that it is optimal for log files. :-) > Does this programmer get to write a simple script to translate to CSV, > then import CSV into Excel, when the boss turns his/her back? It's not allowed, and on the "Windows" platform (that the scrapped PCs run via network), there are no scripting means. Furthermore, those workstations are monitored (due to security considerations), surely just sampled, not permanently. The easiest way would be the required output writer on the mainframe that could output OpenOffice XML, and that could then be even exported into some outdated "Excel" format, if urgently needed. > An Excel spreadsheet probably would have been easier to use, because of > the ability to export as CSV. No. "Excel" is to make rows and columns where you enter the values you've just read from your desk calculator. :-) > In this case, it was an HR professional (though what we were doing was > well outside of that working environment). Then HR _requires_ the use of a PC (as a tool), those who use it should be _able_ to use it. In reality, it is hardly the case. > I think the approach I need to take next time is to create a Web form > that takes inputs for the values and does not allow the user to touch the > key names. That's good. People like the web. Make sure the web page has some images, so it is entertaining, and maybe plays some music so the users feel comfortable. :-) > When the form is submitted, it creates a plain text file for > me, or just adds it to the database automatically. Placing it in a > browser would make things marginally more effort-intensive for the end > user than editing a text file directly, but much *much* less > effort-intensive than creating that four-column format. For some settings, I really _dislike_ the use of a web browser as any interaction is limited to what the browser can actually do. One example is how the keyboard can be used. Real professionals prefer it over mouse interaction (as this means a break in the natural work flow). Security considerations may also be included when thinking about migrating some functionality into a web browser. You could make an icon for the "Windows" desktop that opens a SSH session (e. g. using PuTTY) where users can enter the data into a simple dialog program (e. g. using NCurses Forms), and this program outputs a CSV data file which then gets incorporated into the database. Just an idea. > With luck, it > would never occur to the end-user to copy and paste from the Webpage into > a Microsoft Word document and send that to me. Just expect they send you a "HTML" export file they made with this "Powerpoint". :-) > If the person in my case had decided to make changes in some image > editing software, that at least would have been effective (for some > definition of "effective"). Importing it into a Microsoft Word document, > however, resulted in nothing getting done until someone else came along > and asked "Where's the original document?" It's hard even to understand what "original document" means. I had a customer (real story again) who wanted to send me a fax, but then phoned me to tell me that he can't, as the page always comes out of the fax machine. Meanwhile, I had more than 20 faxes on my system, all the same page. I needed to ask him: "Do you assume that faxing works like a tube in a pneumatic delivery system?" :-) > As for making telephone calls with the help of a computer . . . > > I do not have high hopes for Skype in the future. As I think I mentioned > in an earlier email, I expect Microsoft to "extend" Skype in ways > intended to break compatibility with non-Microsoft platforms. And in the next step, the use of this functionality, integrated into "Windows", will be a pay-per-use service. > I also > expect that, if Microsoft really support Skype rather than just letting > it die, it will get some MS Office integration "features" added to it > that will make it the voice chat equivalent of exactly the sort of > stupidity we have been discussing. Will be funny to see a worker "working" when we open an "Office" document. :-) > An open source equivalent that could be run just as easily from the > command line as from a GUI and is not dependent upon any specific OS > platform's facilities in particular would be great. General use would be possible, just "Skype" users would be on a dead end soon, left alone in a proprietary network where they can't reach anyone else. > SIP phones and > Asterisk PBXes are great for what they are, but they do not really > address the needs of casual voice chatters who want telephone-like > convenience without having to essentially set up their own telephone > company offices. SIP is good when you want to have telephone functionality in a place where you have some kind (no matter which one) of Internet access. Together with Asterisk for example, this enables a multi-location company to create their own intranet both for computer systems and telephones, so they all "dial inside", and any location can be reached from the outside by a systematic set of numbers. Also _changing_ things can be managed that way easily. For the end user, in many times a "real phone" (something with a cradle, a receiver and some buttons) would be the preferred solution. For a callcenter, on the other hand, connecting a USB headset to a Thin client to access both the telephone functionality _and_ the "normal" computer programs would be better, as both functionalities can be INTEGRATED in a nice manner. > Of course, I don't think such a thing can really be entrusted to the > Linux community these days. It should, as this will be part of the future. > Portability is essentially the last thing on > the minds of most Linux community developers lately, from what I've seen. Yes, LATELY... > So, too, is designing software without making it a monolithic GUI-only > tool that has far too many useless features in a single application. I would like to see an approach like gmencoder: A GUI frontend that makes use of command line tools. As a user of the GUI, you don't need to have any clue about the command line tools. But in worst case, they are there, and you can perform the same tasks with them. You can also do things the programmer of the "GUI abstractor" didn't think about, so it gives you MORE POWER! :-) Command line tools, unlike GUI, allow you to automate things, and finally, this means more profit for a company employing such a system. > For portability in particular, consider the problems of XFCE portability, > and the fact there are people in the GNOME developer community who are > questioning whether they should bother continuing to consider portability > in the future. I exactly thought about that some lines above... Luckily, I do not essentially DEPEND on one of them, so I should be safe. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 18:01:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D69106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566438FC1C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:01:04 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LN300AIBONHMX50@asmtp023.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:00:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-20_05:2011-06-20, 2011-06-20, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106200160 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4DFF7DBF.4030504@msen.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:00:37 -0700 Message-id: <6F6E7BB1-96ED-4A0A-9EB9-475A6FF19536@mac.com> References: <4DFF7DBF.4030504@msen.com> To: Mark Moellering , "Michael W. Lucas" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD - Subject: Re: (email) server connection problem : Help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:01:04 -0000 On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Mark Moellering wrote: > I cannot log into the server via either ssl for email or ssh on the two domains that are .org and .info > The connection is refused. Here is an example copied from a console; > > shell$ ssh -l LoginName mail.anadarkohs60.com > The authenticity of host 'mail.domain_4.com(xx.yy.zzb.174)' can't be established. > DSA key fingerprint is {snip} > Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? no > Host key verification failed. By telling it no here, you've instructed SSH to treat the host key as invalid; the connection will be closed. > shell$ ssh -l LoginName mail.domain_3.org > ssh: connect to host mail.domain_3.org port 22: Connection refused > shell$ There's no such domain as mail.domain_3.org in the public DNS. Presumably you've changed this information; all I can conclude is that whichever IP address the actual name resolves to isn't running SSH (or it's not listening on that particular IP, or a firewall is blocking it, etc). Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 18:12:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F2106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:12:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2C1E8FC18 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24305 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jun 2011 18:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2011 18:12:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=OTv0Xl0X3ei6ip4Apicz6assHTWUAe4+AksQXUbdYD77nrAVatvch2/QkhL2Nn+urwQ+u2zH/qLbpKZnNs4ap1NHGuaPW8UNExco9r0FfocY72nb9O95Az4JxIzG4YoH; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QYixT-0008NT-NY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:12:24 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:57:03 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:57:03 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110620175703.GA89887@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> <20110620133617.48643fbc.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110620154624.GA89286@guilt.hydra> <20110620182903.aa056264.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110620170428.GA89605@guilt.hydra> <20110620194404.4dceaa66.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110620194404.4dceaa66.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:12:25 -0000 --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 07:44:04PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:04:28 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > This means that even LaTeX is usually the wrong choice. >=20 > LaTeX is for typesetting text (articles, books, technical documents, > maybe even letters) - nothing more, nothing less. I would _not_ claim > that it is optimal for log files. :-) I actually use Markdown for articles I write for TechRepublic (and a filter utility I wrote that translates that to HTML), because LaTeX would be an egregious case of massive overkill for that purpose. Even for purposes such as document formatting, it is serious overkill -- including for many cases where one plans to print it out. Yes, it's The Tool for typesetting, but don't mistake "typesetting" as what you do when you just want to print out a document. Resume? Sure. Inter-office memo? Hell no. > > > > Does this programmer get to write a simple script to translate to > > CSV, then import CSV into Excel, when the boss turns his/her back? >=20 > It's not allowed, and on the "Windows" platform (that the scrapped PCs > run via network), there are no scripting means. Furthermore, those > workstations are monitored (due to security considerations), surely > just sampled, not permanently. The easiest way would be the required > output writer on the mainframe that could output OpenOffice XML, and > that could then be even exported into some outdated "Excel" format, if > urgently needed. I can't imagine the rationale offered for doing this crap by hand, unless they're trying to serve some kind of budgetary constraint where a certain number of "man hours" must be spent on a task to justify current budget levels. > > > > An Excel spreadsheet probably would have been easier to use, because > > of the ability to export as CSV. >=20 > No. "Excel" is to make rows and columns where you enter the values > you've just read from your desk calculator. I meant that an Excel spreadsheet would have been easier for *me* to use in the case of needing to insert data into my hierarchical database, because exporting the spreadsheet document as CSV would have been less troublesome for munging the data afterward than exporting a Word document as plain text. > > > > When the form is submitted, it creates a plain text file for me, or > > just adds it to the database automatically. Placing it in a browser > > would make things marginally more effort-intensive for the end user > > than editing a text file directly, but much *much* less > > effort-intensive than creating that four-column format.=20 >=20 > For some settings, I really _dislike_ the use of a web browser as any > interaction is limited to what the browser can actually do. One > example is how the keyboard can be used. Real professionals prefer it > over mouse interaction (as this means a break in the natural work > flow). Oh, for competent users I will make sure to make a plain text file available, of course. This is not a public Webpage I'm contemplating; it's just a way to keep some of the people to whom I would otherwise give a text file from making their lives and my life (both) monumentally more difficult while worshipping Office-suite-hotep. >=20 > Security considerations may also be included when thinking about > migrating some functionality into a web browser. Web form access will be strictly limited. >=20 > You could make an icon for the "Windows" desktop that opens a SSH > session (e. g. using PuTTY) where users can enter the data into a > simple dialog program (e. g. using NCurses Forms), and this program > outputs a CSV data file which then gets incorporated into the database. > Just an idea. Nah. They'd rebel. "This is too hard. It doesn't have any buttons." > >=20 > > I do not have high hopes for Skype in the future. As I think I > > mentioned in an earlier email, I expect Microsoft to "extend" Skype > > in ways intended to break compatibility with non-Microsoft platforms.= =20 >=20 > And in the next step, the use of this functionality, integrated into > "Windows", will be a pay-per-use service. I don't know about that. It doesn't really fit the pattern. For the most part, software included with MS Windows serves one of two purposes only: 1. lock people into MS Windows 2. induce people to buy MS Office I don't see how a pay-per-use Skype service would accomplish that. > > > > I also expect that, if Microsoft really support Skype rather than > > just letting it die, it will get some MS Office integration > > "features" added to it that will make it the voice chat equivalent of > > exactly the sort of stupidity we have been discussing. >=20 > Will be funny to see a worker "working" when we open an "Office" > document. Yeah, the privacy issues inherent in such a situation on MS Windows are both hilarious and depressing to contemplate. > > > > Portability is essentially the last thing on the minds of most Linux > > community developers lately, from what I've seen. >=20 > Yes, LATELY... Not just lately -- *increasingly*. The problem has been getting steadily worse for several years. > > > > For portability in particular, consider the problems of XFCE > > portability, and the fact there are people in the GNOME developer > > community who are questioning whether they should bother continuing > > to consider portability in the future. >=20 > I exactly thought about that some lines above... Luckily, I do not > essentially DEPEND on one of them, so I should be safe. On the other hand, this is not limited to XFCE and GNOME (and I use neither of them, myself). These are just very visible examples of a trend that appears to be growing in Linux circles. I fully expect that if an open source Skype replacement is created by members of the Linux developer community, it will rely on udev and other u* tools, expect the user to have all of GNOME installed (which in turn will also probably be nonportably Linux-specific by then), and have no manpage or command line interface at all. If we're very "lucky", it *might* have GNU Info pages: http://xkcd.com/912/ =2E . . which are often worse than useless. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3/ie4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKV6oQCgk0iLFsJ0xB+bAONmZG1hI/Q3 fAMAoLT/VKCdFkx7gbirhOXmUgugaxK8 =80xp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 18:23:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E72106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from oceanpt.safeport.com (oceanpt.safeport.com [65.122.17.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9F68FC15 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oceanpt.safeport.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5KHqg11023276 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:52:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20110620184903.98007407.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20110620184903.98007407.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (oceanpt.safeport.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Subject: Re: How to repair networking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:23:30 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:00:13 -0400 (EDT), doug wrote: >> I was running 8.2 stable and kde3.5. Originally I want to install chrome. I >> trying to update the many interlocking components I eventually got to the point >> where I thought I would just start again so I removed all ports. >> >> At this point I lost networking, neither DHCP or manually configuring an IP >> address worked so I put my data on a USB drive and really started over. My >> question is would rebuilding the world likely have worked? If what else should I >> have tried before jumping off the deep end? Thanks for any thoughts > > It should _not_ happen that removing installed ports prevents > you from gaining essential networking functionality, such as > obtaining data per DHCP. > > If you have installed the sources (/usr/src subtree), and the > required building tools are working, try to rebuild world and > install it as described in /usr/src/Makefile's comment section. > If your world _matches_ the kernel installed, you can omit that > step. In case it does _not_, you'll have to rebuild both world > and kernel. > > Afterwards, you should be able to reinstall all needed ports > and then restore the data to the system. Thank you. I followed the rules [I believe]. My steps where 1) portmaster -r -PP xorg 2) portmaster -r -P xorg I never got to the next [logical] step because I made a mistake configuring some of the builds in step 2. This broke KDE in a way that I did not deem repairable. Hence I thought it would be easier just to start again, especially since kde was still 3.5. I have never had success in unraveling the interlocking dependencies in the some 400 ports that comprise xorg/kde. Some are clearly wrong e.g, a dependancy on the wrong version of Perl that fails various builds. Most are [to me] much more obscure, anyway next I did 3) pkg_delete -a I still had a working FreeBSD at this point. I then did a package add for xorg forgetting that twm was unbundled since I last built the laptop. Also I could not find xdm as a package. It was after trying to find xdm and configuring X[org] that networking 'disappeared'. I was so perplexed I did not think to reinstall FreeBSD. All the 'right stuff' was in /usr/[src|obj] so I might have gotten by without rebuilding. I was wondering (1) if there were/are kernel and/or OS changes in xorg that my steps might have killed and (2) if I should have started top down rather than bottom up in trying to update the required dependancies? _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 18:31:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1256106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Received: from shell.msen.com (msen.com [148.59.86.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88BF8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:31:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Sent-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from [192.168.1.106] (c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.40.255.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.msen.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5KIVRVD077190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:31:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Message-ID: <4DFF920D.1070300@msen.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:31:41 -0400 From: Mark Moellering User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DFF7DBF.4030504@msen.com> <6F6E7BB1-96ED-4A0A-9EB9-475A6FF19536@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <6F6E7BB1-96ED-4A0A-9EB9-475A6FF19536@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; envelope-from= Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; helo=[192.168.1.106] X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: shell.msen.com; Sender-ip: 68.40.255.141; Sender-helo: [192.168.1.106]; ) Cc: Subject: Re: (email) server connection problem : Help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:31:29 -0000 On 20-Jun-11 2:00 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Mark Moellering wrote: >> I cannot log into the server via either ssl for email or ssh on the two domains that are .org and .info >> The connection is refused. Here is an example copied from a console; >> >> shell$ ssh -l LoginName mail.anadarkohs60.com >> The authenticity of host 'mail.domain_4.com(xx.yy.zzb.174)' can't be established. >> DSA key fingerprint is {snip} >> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? no >> Host key verification failed. > By telling it no here, you've instructed SSH to treat the host key as invalid; the connection will be closed. > >> shell$ ssh -l LoginName mail.domain_3.org >> ssh: connect to host mail.domain_3.org port 22: Connection refused >> shell$ > There's no such domain as mail.domain_3.org in the public DNS. > > Presumably you've changed this information; all I can conclude is that whichever IP address the actual name resolves to isn't running SSH (or it's not listening on that particular IP, or a firewall is blocking it, etc). > > Regards, I changed it but here are the actual hostnames: <<<<<<< current version ::1 localhost 127.0.0.1 localhost mail.class-creator.net 69.41.171.69 mail.class-creator.net mail 69.41.172.100 mail.saline1990.com 69.41.172.249 mail.pioneer86.com 69.41.172.62 mail.grissomhigh1981.org 69.41.172.174 mail.anadarkohs60.com 69.41.172.180 mail.porthuronhighschool.info ======= DNS checks out. I think I am running ssl. I am checking postfix and dovecot. The odd thing is the ssh. I looked at some old troubleshooting tips and ran netstat -anf inet and this is what it returned Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) tcp4 0 52 69.41.171.69.22 68.40.255.141.54052 ESTABLISHED tcp4 0 0 69.41.171.69.3306 68.40.255.141.53928 ESTABLISHED tcp4 0 0 69.41.171.69.3306 68.40.255.141.53927 ESTABLISHED tcp4 0 0 69.41.171.69.3306 68.40.255.141.53925 ESTABLISHED tcp4 0 0 *.22 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.587 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.25 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.995 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.110 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.3306 *.* LISTEN udp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.123 *.* udp4 0 0 69.41.172.180.123 *.* udp4 0 0 69.41.172.174.123 *.* udp4 0 0 69.41.172.62.123 *.* udp4 0 0 69.41.172.249.123 *.* udp4 0 0 69.41.172.100.123 *.* udp4 0 0 69.41.171.69.123 *.* udp4 0 0 *.123 *.* udp4 0 0 *.514 *.* Thanks for your help Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 18:33:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EB21065676 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06BF8FC15 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so1059405gwb.13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=i7SdOGfDgtvCMKFGKP/T5TPIoMeUGETGvJ6K6fUIjmQ=; b=ZYbmGsfv5EKeI6CCjrH/8EBAAlRpxUyu7mh/jaZGgvo71p/xmWiaiObTZuoRBLhcpx 18LDyg1Qn4WjPDsHriLUdebEq4GEvASkWG7LxqM8unDv1fw8zbsdAwjH1lfPDWzU7eIq 35Vbta3mvNEcvfxyeBH58OWnAC1cc3klV4nzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=NXUGa6XULEgKa+WEDdvWud4mvsWF6IiRewj6z97qmUNqkkbwBfbYggo8fC77p/x9nh n9geREKGX0pUSAYLC2LRYoDYSRvbWryIn0rHa1BizbWJVD8pdMUW04a64TPNDGwKI8kN apChZ947KmOciW2l3st1OqXJPA8cL4uwujyH4= Received: by 10.91.189.7 with SMTP id r7mr6024922agp.142.1308593070930; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.167.145]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v22sm12647yhm.48.2011.06.20.11.04.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Chris Brennan In-Reply-To: <20110620170115.GA25684@gmail.com> References: <20110620170115.GA25684@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:04:25 -0300 Message-ID: <1308593065.77579.4.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: New FreeBSD8.2 server install. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:33:05 -0000 Em Seg, 2011-06-20 às 13:01 -0400, Chris Brennan escreveu: > I've got a new machine to replace the one that died on me a few weeks > ago and since then, I've collected and cataloged my drives of various > sizes and I am curious if I am able to do something like a poor-mans > LVM, I thought about gmirror but that might be tricky, since I would > have to slice drives up according to the smallest drive I have (current > an unmarked 40GB drive). Is there a way within FreeBSD to concatenate > the drives into a software raid0 array? Hello, I prefer ZFS, it is reliable, fast, and full of features, in a FreeBSD 8.2 AMD64 it rocks... I use to partition the disk using a small ufs partition (4Gb) follow 4Gb swap, and the rest of the disk for ZFS, Once created the zfs , I can mount the zfs as rootfs, and than define whatever I need after, as mirror, partitions, snapshots... and so on the system must have 4G (or more) of memory, and is is really fast.. I am very satisfied with the system (I have installed about 60 already, with this configuration)... Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 18:43:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFFF106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211AD8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:43:16 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LN300D0KQN6NX10@asmtp023.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-20_05:2011-06-20, 2011-06-20, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106200171 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4DFF920D.1070300@msen.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:42:42 -0700 Message-id: <739E5F98-0EA4-4770-9309-F3638523F9C6@mac.com> References: <4DFF7DBF.4030504@msen.com> <6F6E7BB1-96ED-4A0A-9EB9-475A6FF19536@mac.com> <4DFF920D.1070300@msen.com> To: Mark Moellering X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (email) server connection problem : Help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:43:17 -0000 On Jun 20, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Mark Moellering wrote: > 69.41.172.62 mail.grissomhigh1981.org > [ ... ] > 69.41.172.180 mail.porthuronhighschool.info > ======= > > DNS checks out. > I think I am running ssl. I am checking postfix and dovecot. The odd thing is the ssh. I looked at some old troubleshooting tips and ran netstat -anf inet and this is what it returned The two IPs above don't have SSH listening. Perhaps you configured these IPs onto the box after SSH was started, in which case it might not accept connections to them? Restarting sshd might be an easy way to check; otherwise verify your list of IPs your NIC considers to be local with ifconfig. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 18:51:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67A2106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:51:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D948FC15 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5KIpErp063915; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5KIpEIb063912; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:51:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20110620185739.885b4283.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <332923.63090.qm@web160119.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20110620185739.885b4283.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Unga , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to connect a projector to a FreeBSD laptop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:51:17 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:32:55 -0700 (PDT), Unga wrote: >> >> Could somebody please highlight to me how to successfully connect >> a projector and what configurations needs to be done? > > You did correctly connect the projector before starting the > machine. On most laptops you'll find a "CRT/LCD" key (usually > among the PF keys on top) you need to press with the "Fn" key. > This will cycle through three modes: LCD only -> LCD and CRT -> > CRT only. Press this once or twice, and you should get output > on the projector. If that doesn't work, there's also xrandr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 19:23:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD43106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:23:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E3A8FC15 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150BA1E167; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:23:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5KJNnHS003277; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:23:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:23:48 +0200 From: Polytropon To: doug@safeport.com Message-Id: <20110620212348.5f09b1e7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110620184903.98007407.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to repair networking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:23:52 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:52:42 -0400 (EDT), doug@safeport.com wrote: > Thank you. I followed the rules [I believe]. My steps where > > 1) portmaster -r -PP xorg > 2) portmaster -r -P xorg > > I never got to the next [logical] step because I made a mistake configuring some > of the builds in step 2. In this case, "make clean" and also remove the options settings, and start with a clean build. Instead of building from source, you can also use # pkg_add -r xorg if the default options fit your needs. Otherwise, go to the port's directory and # make config-recursive # make # make install to perform the process from source. > This broke KDE in a way that I did not deem repairable. I think it's cleaner to start with a rebuild of everything here. > Hence I thought it would be easier just to start again, especially since kde was > still 3.5. I have never had success in unraveling the interlocking dependencies > in the some 400 ports that comprise xorg/kde. Some are clearly wrong e.g, a > dependancy on the wrong version of Perl that fails various builds. Most are [to > me] much more obscure, anyway next I did > > 3) pkg_delete -a > > I still had a working FreeBSD at this point. As expected. The base system should _FULLY_ work without any installed ports. The only exception I know of is the removal of the documentation, which is a package now. > I then did a package add for xorg > forgetting that twm was unbundled since I last built the laptop. Yes, it's a separate package now. > Also I could > not find xdm as a package. The xdm program is also a separate port, if I see this correctly, but as it's not a big one, it should be easy to build that from source of no package is available. But I'm not sure why there should be _no_ package for xdm, so I checked: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.2-release/x11/xdm-1.1.8_2.tbz It's present as a package. > It was after trying to find xdm and configuring > X[org] that networking 'disappeared'. Really very strange. > I was so perplexed I did not think to > reinstall FreeBSD. Yes, that shouldn't be neccessary. > All the 'right stuff' was in /usr/[src|obj] so I might > have gotten by without rebuilding. Check hardware and maybe configuration files. > I was wondering (1) if there were/are kernel and/or OS changes in xorg that my > steps might have killed and (2) if I should have started top down rather than > bottom up in trying to update the required dependancies? It's hard to say which approach will be better here. Personally, I prefer starting from a _well defined_ point (such as "just the system is present, it's recent, and it's working) and then start to install the neccessary software, either from source or by installing precompiled packages (my preferred method for 99% of the software). The less undefined or unknown things are in the game, the better it is. Everything else introduces guessing or trial & error, which traditionally leads to more confusion. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 19:36:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18D4106567B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:36:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7C28FC12 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sbhfislrext01.fnfis.com ([192.168.249.167]) by SCSFISLTC01 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5KJaYDo015422 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:36:34 -0500 Received: from sbhfisltcgw01.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.121]) by sbhfislrext01.fnfis.com with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:36:30 -0500 Received: from SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM ([10.132.248.123]) by sbhfisltcgw01.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:36:18 -0500 Received: from dtwin ([10.132.254.136]) by SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:35:22 -0500 From: "Devin Teske" To: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:35:25 -0700 Organization: Vicor, Inc. Message-ID: <01a701cc2f81$346fca90$9d4f5fb0$@vicor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AcwvgNUW/UuWbOZWTqynF7Y+Y3Nfmw== Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2011 19:35:22.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[320A1530:01CC2F81] Cc: "Teske, Devin" Subject: Firefox-4.0.1,1 on 8.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:36:35 -0000 Hi All, I'm trying to compile /usr/ports/www/firefox on FreeBSD-8.1, to no avail. I keep running into this error: ============================================================ gmake[4]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/parser/html' nsHtml5ElementName.cpp c++ -o nsHtml5ElementName.o -c -I../../dist/stl_wrappers -I../../dist/system_wrappers -include ../../config/gcc_hidden.h -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -D_IMPL_NS_COM -DEXPORT_XPT_API -DEXPORT_XPTC_API -D_IMPL_NS_GFX -D_IMPL_NS_WIDGET -DIMPL_XREAPI -DIMPL_NS_NET -DIMPL_THEBES -DSTATIC_EXPORTABLE_JS_API -DOSTYPE=\"FreeBSD8\" -DOSARCH=FreeBSD -I. -I. -I../../dist/include -I../../dist/include/nsprpub -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/dist/include/nss -I./../../content/base/src -fPIC -I/usr/local/include -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-variadic-macros -Werror=return-type -O2 -pipe -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O2 -I/usr/local/include -DMOZILLA_CLIENT -include ../../mozilla-config.h nsHtml5ElementName.cpp In file included from nsHtml5StreamParser.h:54, from nsHtml5Parser.h:62, from nsHtml5TreeBuilder.h:46, from nsHtml5ElementName.cpp:50: nsHtml5Speculation.h:103:33: warning: no newline at end of file {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:0: Warning: end of file not at end of a line; newline inserted {standard input}:164: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.' c++: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1plus) Please submit a full bug report. See for instructions. gmake[4]: *** [nsHtml5ElementName.o] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/parser/html' gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/parser' gmake[2]: *** [libs_tier_platform] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0' gmake[1]: *** [tier_platform] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0' gmake: *** [default] Error 2 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. ============================================================ Has anybody else ran into this? Any way around this? I thought to myself... "Ok, so let's just disable HTML5" -- no-go, couldn't find a mozconfig toggle for that. Any ideas? /usr/ports/www/firefox35 compiles just fine. -- Cheers, Devin Teske -> CONTACT INFORMATION <- Business Solutions Consultant II FIS - fisglobal.com 510-735-5650 Mobile 510-621-2038 Office 510-621-2020 Office Fax devin.teske@fisglobal.com -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- This message contains confidential and proprietary information Of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it Is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any Other person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this Message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, And delete the original message without making a copy. -> END TRANSMISSION <- _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. 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Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 19:53:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAEA106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrruwe@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f68.google.com (mail-fx0-f68.google.com [209.85.161.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03458FC17 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm15 with SMTP id 15so293820fxm.7 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:53:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4Z1VHSQ3ZmFtGKb86Gtv7QbrO7cxywitd5Inznk8TiE=; b=kMDidXV6YlauMY1dnwMIwKWOYWB7BfyT17W6IbOpI9YgABWc2DswCo05cL/OxEtD6o /2wUQIQR37lQu0ea2RO+sMoEeZQmDndsX+YnnqjcORWoUeaXMqFGON63rSozntH0UiXC OLTtO6h+qVOsFkVkotFg1VIISkaQeDAKZEZ90= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BQDqyiWjZjGLEEY7VqjtJnNM1Jbi2vGL/FPHx/cI6nPYNPj0xQ+kJ9lC0WyWlXT8By xpreRe9kqYOnLptZamkpIzV+UOkBAKT3TS/DlPHLQK9Ov4tixvVin4BkjxZ1hI2Ty2jy uPhyhvGgQDZPPTTN+T1SQng3sldFib4VARr1o= Received: by 10.223.2.205 with SMTP id 13mr1091479fak.138.1308599605045; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dijkstra (p5B37B387.dip.t-dialin.net [91.55.179.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n7sm2999164fam.19.2011.06.20.12.53.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:53:18 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110620215318.0bea0f77@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <20110619225038.1dcda180@dijkstra> References: <20110618180858.41cda851@dijkstra> <20110619225038.1dcda180@dijkstra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: problem report bin/157732 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjr@cruwe.de List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:53:28 -0000 > > 2. You are probably right in checking to make sure that bumping > > up that limit of the hostname length would not result in a buffer > > overflow somewhere downstream. > > You should probably check that inet_addr() and all other relevant > > functions define the variables of the type and length that can > > handle this longer input. > > > > I noticed that some Linux (2.6.26-2-686) I had access to, was > > capable of handling that long host name. So, you might want to pick > > at how it is handled by Linux. (Unless that might create some sort > > of copyright/license issues.) > > Looking over the fence, the Linux traceroute calls getaddr(), which > does check against hostname length and also has a limit of 64. > Calling traceroute with anything longer than 64 chars will result in a > "traceroute: hostname "abcdefghi.abcdefghi.abcdefghi.ab..." is too > long" error. > > Solaris, on the other hand, calls a getaddr() in getaddrinfo > (http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libsocket/inet/getaddrinfo.c), > which checks against a MAXHOSTNAMELENGTH=256 defined in netdb.h > (http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libresolv/netdb.h). > Anyway, it performs for the example from the PR. When supplying an > arbitary string longer than 255 chars, traceroute from Solaris > terminates with a memory allocation error as defined in EAI_MEMORY > (also defined in netdb.h). > > TrustedBSD has the same <64 chars limit and is, I gather, not too > dissimilar. > > As an aside, inet_addr() is, i gather, part of POSIX > (http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/inet_addr.html), > so I wonder, why so many do not implement inet_getaddr(), but have > some home-brew called get_addr()? Sorry, I got confused. Using inet_addr() to lookup a hostname is complete rubbish, it's getaddrinfo(). And of course getaddrinfo() is part of POSIX (http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/getaddrinfo.html). Hope I'll not get too confused to make any sense ... -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 19:55:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7574106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:55:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946D28FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SBHFISLREXT03 ([10.132.254.62]) by SCSFISLTC02 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5KJt5bn011812 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:55:05 -0500 Received: from SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.123]) by SBHFISLREXT03 with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:55:26 -0500 Received: from sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM ([10.132.248.122]) by SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:55:00 -0500 Received: from dtwin ([10.132.254.136]) by sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:55:00 -0500 From: "Devin Teske" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:55:01 -0700 Organization: Vicor, Inc. Message-ID: <01a901cc2f83$f26b6ed0$d7424c70$@vicor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AcwvguTw0REkzIPPRpC1SsLHQBE24Q== Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2011 19:55:00.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[F01745A0:01CC2F83] Cc: "Teske, Devin" Subject: Firefox 3 and 4 with NFS home directory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:55:05 -0000 Hi All, I've established already that firefox35 from ports has severe bugs when $HOME is an NFS-share (problem appears to be the "Places" SQL-Lite database in the user's profile within their home directory). A fairly good breakdown of the problem can be read here: http://blogs.cs.umbc.edu/willm1/2009/04/15/firefox-3-over-nfs-still-sucks/ NOTE: The above dissection of the NFS issues was posted April 15, 2009 in relation to Firefox-3.0.x, however remains relevant to Firefox-3.5.x. I'm wondering if anyone has been able to test Firefox 4 on NFS $HOME. The types of issues that we ran into with Firefox 3 on NFS $HOME are: 1. URL Address bar doesn't work (keyboard input entirely ignored) 2. Bookmarks menu doesn't work 3. Going to File->Open causes app to crash I would try this myself, but /usr/ports/www/firefox (firefox-4.0.1,1) doesn't want to compile for me (see http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-June/231080.html ). If the above issues that are related to having $HOME be an NFS-mount have been resolved in Firefox 4, then I'll try to work through the compiler issues that I'm getting on FreeBSD-8.1 -- otherwise, if someone can confirm that Firefox 4 is still having issues, we won't waste our time. -- Cheers, Devin Teske -> FUN STUFF <- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.12 GAT/CS/B/CC/E/IT/MC/M/MU/P/S/TW d+(++) s: a- C+++@$ UB++++$ P++++@$ L++++$ E- W+++ N? o? K? w@ O M++$ V- PS+>++ PE@ Y+ PGP-> t(+) 5? X(+) R(-) tv+ b+>++ DI+ D+(++) G++ e>++++ h r+++ z+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ Learn about the "Geek Code": http://www.geekcode.com/ -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. 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Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 20:08:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AC41065676 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out8.libero.it (cp-out8.libero.it [212.52.84.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C14C8FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:08:29 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B020A.4DFFA8BB.0145,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1555 Received: from soth.ventu (151.41.137.255) by cp-out8.libero.it (8.5.133) id 4DD2415404A1B0C8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:08:27 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5KK8NWT028097 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:08:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4DFFA8B7.2000109@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:08:23 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110613 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <01a901cc2f83$f26b6ed0$d7424c70$@vicor.com> In-Reply-To: <01a901cc2f83$f26b6ed0$d7424c70$@vicor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.1.2.13 Subject: Re: Firefox 3 and 4 with NFS home directory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:08:30 -0000 On 06/20/11 21:55, Devin Teske wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone has been able to test Firefox 4 on NFS $HOME. I had problems in the past with Firefox 3, but they are gone. Firefox 4 also works. Right now I'm using 8.1, but I don't remember if this was what solved. In any case, have you got statd/lockd correctly working? bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 21:00:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A4C106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BB48FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SBHFISLREXT03 ([10.132.254.62]) by SCSFISLTC01 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5KL01Nl013580; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:00:01 -0500 Received: from SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.123]) by SBHFISLREXT03 with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:00:23 -0500 Received: from sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM ([10.132.248.122]) by SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:59:55 -0500 Received: from dtwin ([10.132.254.136]) by sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:59:54 -0500 From: "Devin Teske" To: "'Andrea Venturoli'" , References: <01a901cc2f83$f26b6ed0$d7424c70$@vicor.com> <4DFFA8B7.2000109@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <4DFFA8B7.2000109@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:59:56 -0700 Organization: Vicor, Inc. Message-ID: <01be01cc2f8d$03b094a0$0b11bde0$@vicor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFXTQ/4x/prT+PLTgaSYg8GTF48OwIjlgSqlZ9bJoA= Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2011 20:59:54.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[014B5470:01CC2F8D] Cc: Subject: RE: Firefox 3 and 4 with NFS home directory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:00:03 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Venturoli > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 1:08 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Firefox 3 and 4 with NFS home directory > > On 06/20/11 21:55, Devin Teske wrote: > > I'm wondering if anyone has been able to test Firefox 4 on NFS $HOME. > > I had problems in the past with Firefox 3, but they are gone. Firefox 4 also works. > > Right now I'm using 8.1, but I don't remember if this was what solved. > > In any case, have you got statd/lockd correctly working? D'oh. I found this executive summary of statd/lockd which explains it pretty well: http://osr507doc.sco.com/en/NetAdminG/nfsC.locking.html I fired up rpc.statd and rpc.lockd on both the client and server, and all was solved. Thanks Andrea! -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 21:07:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC6B106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:07:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@x.it.okstate.edu) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (x.it.okstate.edu [139.78.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C168FC15 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by x.it.okstate.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5KL7PW0091851 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:07:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@x.it.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <91849.1308604045.1@x.it.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:07:25 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:07:26 -0000 I would like to say that I got it working, but after looking at the duel-homed host section of the Handbook, I am still stuck. A Google search turned up a thread from a couple of years ago that almost echoed my exact words. We've got a system with network interfaces on two disjointed networks. No routing is desired, but we very much want for both interfaces to be accessible from the world so each interface has to know about its nearest gateway just as the primary interface knows about the default route. What one seems to always be able to do is get the primary up and talking to the world with no real trouble. The secondary is on its network and you can log in from another host on the same subnet but you can never see it from the world, at large. Before the thread died out, the questioner was wondering if it was simply not possible to achieve this functionality. I am wondering the same. We are moving a primary name server from network A to network B on one of our branch campuses. If the secondary interface was reachable from the world, we can change the whois information and not worry about the exact second the change goes in to effect. The DNS should just answer whether the query came from network A or Network B. The routing is already handled so the system in question just has to be there and respond on both networks for a day or so. We don't have a spare box to run on the new network space or I would have done that days ago.;-( Again, thanks for any ideas. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 21:18:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B580110656D5 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:18:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjr@cruwe.de) Received: from cruwe.de (cruwe.de [188.40.164.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9558FC1E for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruwe.de (unknown [127.0.0.4]) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022C01A8BC for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cruwe.de (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D5F1E1A8BB; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:59:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail.cruwe.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from dijkstra (p5B37B387.dip.t-dialin.net [91.55.179.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E34BD1A8B0 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:59:24 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110620225924.50b0aedb@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <20110619161133.327257fb@dijkstra> References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> <4DFD95B2.7050603@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4DFDE587.5070500@bah.homeip.net> <4DFDE7E2.1070404@ifdnrg.com> <20110619142907.4b39e274@dijkstra> <4DFDF5CE.9080709@ifdnrg.com> <20110619161133.327257fb@dijkstra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail [solved] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:18:02 -0000 Thank you all for your kind help. The problem was apparently, that the HELO message of my postfix server did not match the rDNS. Thanks again, cheers, -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 21:29:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9335C106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Received: from shell.msen.com (msen.com [148.59.86.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE6D8FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:29:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Sent-To: Received: from [192.168.1.106] (c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.40.255.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.msen.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5KLSxbE010832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:28:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark@msen.com) Message-ID: <4DFFBBA8.8020705@msen.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:29:12 -0400 From: Mark Moellering User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DFF7DBF.4030504@msen.com> In-Reply-To: <4DFF7DBF.4030504@msen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; envelope-from= Received-SPF: Pass (sender authenticated); receiver=msen.com; client-ip=68.40.255.141; helo=[192.168.1.106] X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: shell.msen.com; Sender-ip: 68.40.255.141; Sender-helo: [192.168.1.106]; ) Subject: Re: (email) server connection problem : Help -- SOLVED X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:29:00 -0000 I want to thank everyone who helped me with this. It turned out that due to an administrative error, our hosting company had the ip addresses I was having trouble with routed to the wrong server. Everything is working now. Thanks again, Mark Moellering From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 22:01:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4D7106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DF48FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5KM14M9064614; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5KM13YD064611; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:01:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:01:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: <01a701cc2f81$346fca90$9d4f5fb0$@vicor.com> Message-ID: References: <01a701cc2f81$346fca90$9d4f5fb0$@vicor.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Teske, Devin" Subject: Re: Firefox-4.0.1,1 on 8.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:01:06 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Devin Teske wrote: > I'm trying to compile /usr/ports/www/firefox on FreeBSD-8.1, to no avail. I keep > running into this error: > > ============================================================ > > gmake[4]: Entering directory > `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/parser/html' > nsHtml5ElementName.cpp > c++ -o nsHtml5ElementName.o -c -I../../dist/stl_wrappers > -I../../dist/system_wrappers -include ../../config/gcc_hidden.h > -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -D_IMPL_NS_COM -DEXPORT_XPT_API -DEXPORT_XPTC_API > -D_IMPL_NS_GFX -D_IMPL_NS_WIDGET -DIMPL_XREAPI -DIMPL_NS_NET -DIMPL_THEBES > -DSTATIC_EXPORTABLE_JS_API -DOSTYPE=\"FreeBSD8\" -DOSARCH=FreeBSD -I. -I. > -I../../dist/include -I../../dist/include/nsprpub -I/usr/local/include/nspr > -I/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/dist/include/nss > -I./../../content/base/src -fPIC -I/usr/local/include -fno-rtti > -fno-exceptions -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth > -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align -Wno-invalid-offsetof > -Wno-variadic-macros -Werror=return-type -O2 -pipe -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -O2 > -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O2 > -I/usr/local/include -DMOZILLA_CLIENT -include ../../mozilla-config.h > nsHtml5ElementName.cpp > In file included from nsHtml5StreamParser.h:54, > from nsHtml5Parser.h:62, > from nsHtml5TreeBuilder.h:46, > from nsHtml5ElementName.cpp:50: > nsHtml5Speculation.h:103:33: warning: no newline at end of file > {standard input}: Assembler messages: > {standard input}:0: Warning: end of file not at end of a line; newline inserted > {standard input}:164: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.' > c++: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1plus) > Please submit a full bug report. > See for instructions. > gmake[4]: *** [nsHtml5ElementName.o] Error 1 > gmake[4]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/parser/html' > gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2 > gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/parser' > gmake[2]: *** [libs_tier_platform] Error 2 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0' > gmake[1]: *** [tier_platform] Error 2 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0' > gmake: *** [default] Error 2 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. > > ============================================================ > > Has anybody else ran into this? Any way around this? OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS causes huge use of memory and sometimes it runs out of swap space: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=24436 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 22:13:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B26C106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:13:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A43C8FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10227381; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:13:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.232] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10227379 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:13:47 -0400 Message-ID: <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:13:47 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:13:57 -0000 On 6/20/11 5:07 PM, Martin McCormick wrote: > We are moving a primary name server from network A to > network B on one of our branch campuses. If the secondary > interface was reachable from the world, we can change the whois > information and not worry about the exact second the change goes > in to effect. Can networks A and B talk to each other? I suspect not, otherwise things would be just working even if all traffic went to the primary's gateway, but I just wanted to check that there wasn't something else bad happening. On the assumption that A and B are completely disconnected, then the only solution for this problem that I know of is to do policy-based routing using the source address or interface to make routing decisions, rather than using solely the destination address. This is actually relatively trivial to do using PF. pass in on nic_a reply-to ($nic_a $gw_a) pass in on nic_b reply-to ($nic_b $gw_b) with the various interfaces named appropriately and variables set to match should get you much of the way there. If you're using a slightly older version of PF, where keeping state on connections is not the default, you'll have to add state maintenance options to the lines. If you want packets to local machines to not go to the gateways and do u-turns there, you'll have to add a bit of filtering based on addresses, etc., etc. The explanation for the first line is more or less: For any new "connection" that comes in on NIC A, add an entry to the state table indicating that any reply packets should physically go out NIC A and should be passed to the next hop at adress $gw_a. WARNING: I use PF primarily on OpenBSD so sometimes get caught out on the subtle differences to the FreeBSD version. --Jon Radel jon@radel.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 22:30:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561591065679 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:30:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost1.waddell.com (mailhost1.waddell.com [67.130.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229EA8FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (emlpfilt2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost1.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8CF50D8E for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:30:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F0792F8003 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:30:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7939F2F8002 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:30:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.163]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:30:17 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:30:17 -0500 Thread-Topic: Two Networks on one System Thread-Index: Acwvl2dAuDNtYdY+QnGih+k3P9drswAAZNfQ Message-ID: <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> In-Reply-To: <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:30:18 -0000 On 6/20/11 5:07 PM, Martin McCormick wrote: > We are moving a primary name server from network A to > network B on one of our branch campuses. If the secondary > interface was reachable from the world, we can change the whois > information and not worry about the exact second the change goes > in to effect. Can networks A and B talk to each other? I suspect not, otherwise=20 things would be just working even if all traffic went to the primary's=20 gateway, but I just wanted to check that there wasn't something else bad=20 happening. On the assumption that A and B are completely disconnected, then the=20 only solution for this problem that I know of is to do policy-based=20 routing using the source address or interface to make routing decisions,=20 rather than using solely the destination address. This is actually relatively trivial to do using PF. pass in on nic_a reply-to ($nic_a $gw_a) pass in on nic_b reply-to ($nic_b $gw_b) with the various interfaces named appropriately and variables set to=20 match should get you much of the way there. If you're using a slightly=20 older version of PF, where keeping state on connections is not the=20 default, you'll have to add state maintenance options to the lines. If=20 you want packets to local machines to not go to the gateways and do=20 u-turns there, you'll have to add a bit of filtering based on addresses,=20 etc., etc. The explanation for the first line is more or less: For any new "connection" that comes in on NIC A, add an entry to the=20 state table indicating that any reply packets should physically go out=20 NIC A and should be passed to the next hop at adress $gw_a. WARNING: I use PF primarily on OpenBSD so sometimes get caught out on=20 the subtle differences to the FreeBSD version. I was kinda going this route as well - policy based routing type thing, but= , is there an "easier" way? 1.) Temporarily enable ipforwarding - not my favorite 2.) Instead of a second NIC, bind the new IP to the org nic (alias). man ifconfig specifically mentions using alias during ip renumbering: " alias Establish an additional network address for this interface. This is sometimes useful when changing network numbers, and one wishes to accept= packets addressed to the old interface. If the address is on the same sub= net as the first network address for this interface, a non-conflicting netm= ask must be given. Usually 0xffffffff is most appropriate." Once everything is transitioned, you may reconfigure the interface with the= "permanent" config. G
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 22:34:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2B6106566C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB928FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SBHFISLREXT03 ([10.132.254.62]) by SCSFISLTC02 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5KMYYPg010445; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:34:34 -0500 Received: from SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.123]) by SBHFISLREXT03 with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:34:56 -0500 Received: from sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM ([10.132.248.122]) by SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:34:34 -0500 Received: from dtwin ([10.132.254.136]) by sbhfisltcgw02.FNFIS.COM over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:34:33 -0500 From: "Devin Teske" To: "'Warren Block'" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:34:37 -0700 Organization: Vicor, Inc. Message-ID: <01fc01cc2f9a$3cf6ad50$b6e407f0$@vicor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AcwvmhcvISRIc7z5R0GtNHgvuKEPOQ== Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2011 22:34:33.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A700270:01CC2F9A] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "'Teske, Devin'" Subject: RE: Firefox-4.0.1,1 on 8.1-RELEASE (SOLVED) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:34:35 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Block [mailto:wblock@wonkity.com] > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:01 PM > To: Devin Teske > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Teske, Devin > Subject: Re: Firefox-4.0.1,1 on 8.1-RELEASE > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Devin Teske wrote: > > > I'm trying to compile /usr/ports/www/firefox on FreeBSD-8.1, to no > > avail. I keep running into this error: > > > > ============================================================ > > > > gmake[4]: Entering directory > > `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/parser/html' > > nsHtml5ElementName.cpp > > c++ -o nsHtml5ElementName.o -c -I../../dist/stl_wrappers > > -I../../dist/system_wrappers -include ../../config/gcc_hidden.h > > -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -D_IMPL_NS_COM -DEXPORT_XPT_API > > -DEXPORT_XPTC_API -D_IMPL_NS_GFX -D_IMPL_NS_WIDGET -DIMPL_XREAPI > > -DIMPL_NS_NET -DIMPL_THEBES -DSTATIC_EXPORTABLE_JS_API - > DOSTYPE=\"FreeBSD8\" -DOSARCH=FreeBSD -I. -I. > > -I../../dist/include -I../../dist/include/nsprpub > > -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla- > 2.0/dist/include/nss > > -I./../../content/base/src -fPIC -I/usr/local/include -fno-rtti > > -fno-exceptions -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth > > -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align > > -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-variadic-macros -Werror=return-type -O2 > > -pipe -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar > > -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O2 -I/usr/local/include -DMOZILLA_CLIENT > > -include ../../mozilla-config.h nsHtml5ElementName.cpp In file > > included from nsHtml5StreamParser.h:54, > > from nsHtml5Parser.h:62, > > from nsHtml5TreeBuilder.h:46, > > from nsHtml5ElementName.cpp:50: > > nsHtml5Speculation.h:103:33: warning: no newline at end of file > > {standard input}: Assembler messages: > > {standard input}:0: Warning: end of file not at end of a line; newline > > inserted {standard input}:164: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.' > > c++: Internal error: Killed: 9 (program cc1plus) > > Please submit a full bug report. > > See for instructions. > > gmake[4]: *** [nsHtml5ElementName.o] Error 1 > > gmake[4]: Leaving directory > > `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/parser/html' > > gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2 > > gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0/parser' > > gmake[2]: *** [libs_tier_platform] Error 2 > > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0' > > gmake[1]: *** [tier_platform] Error 2 > > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-2.0' > > gmake: *** [default] Error 2 > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. > > > > ============================================================ > > > > Has anybody else ran into this? Any way around this? > > OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS causes huge use of memory and sometimes it runs out of > swap space: > > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=24436 That was it! Build machine (a VM) had only 256MB RAM with 440MB swap. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 22:58:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1036106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1DE8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10227439; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:58:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.232] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10227437 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:58:47 -0400 Message-ID: <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:58:47 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:58:57 -0000 On 6/20/11 6:30 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > I was kinda going this route as well - policy based routing type thing, but, is there an "easier" way? Not that I know of given a constraint of completely disjoint networks. However, I won't be too terribly surprised if somebody comes up with something elegant that makes us all go, "Ooooooo, what a disgustingly neat hack." > > 1.) Temporarily enable ipforwarding - not my favorite > 2.) Instead of a second NIC, bind the new IP to the org nic (alias). > > man ifconfig specifically mentions using alias during ip renumbering: Yes, if you've got a single network and are renumbering it. As I understand it, the OP has 2 networks, which is an entirely different matter. --Jon Radel jon@radel.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 20 23:46:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C4E106564A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:46:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from efinley.lists@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E97B8FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so1447189vxg.13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:46:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=GVPQyk/Annru+pb4bfGQMJ3w+zKJVuYBV2LWmQ88xZk=; b=Hn17bWvJMgPlqbrlHeENJhK1GZYTfGj7dT+bsrPHep/u2Cpto5SIHMZ4bngaQW6LXn TAUoAB76r5sVk0iLPMk7n+S6gbtqatFu4UOgOukMnaJxQnmuYiPL3pcJXRsMXCrTRqoK cHG6GiPAhsWPSMLGKRmkQ15YnFDNBjAUrYu/E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=FatLdWeob1dg4f4U4KdwhTFSYshwaD3dk+xRA6Yp4vYGwcG6990NL3Tyz7gmGV/rF/ ZK/et+a0vDkkKja7hYdk+rMNEUw5PtYH5J6UNHkbUqe96OfJBW4ZWEgtd0TU+TpqVmtw H7DYpSgj2cFj15vwL941x8Wnep7l3Bx0gA+wU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.73.164 with SMTP id m4mr4246096vdv.157.1308611919224; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.111.136 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:18:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:18:39 -0600 Message-ID: From: Elliot Finley To: Jon Radel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:46:42 -0000 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Jon Radel wrote: > > On 6/20/11 6:30 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > >> I was kinda going this route as well - policy based routing type thing, >> but, is there an "easier" way? > > Not that I know of given a constraint of completely disjoint networks. > However, I won't be too terribly surprised if somebody comes up with > something elegant that makes us all go, "Ooooooo, what a disgustingly neat > hack." If it's two completely disjoint networks, the two networks don't use overlapping IP space and the IP space on at least one of the networks is known, then just use standard routing. put in static routes for the known space and a default route on the other interface for the unknown space. If the two networks are using overlapping space, then the only way to differentiate the packets are which interface they came in... then you'll have to use a PF hack. Elliot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 00:00:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BC6106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 00:00:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [67.130.252.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59818FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 00:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2C050912 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 131CB45E8B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0234E45AF6 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.163]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:00:55 -0500 From: Gary Gatten CC: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:00:55 -0500 Thread-Topic: Two Networks on one System Thread-Index: AcwvpGDr0zmXQwMySJejjoUT3y9J7AAAeqJh Message-ID: <13151_1308614456_4DFFDF38_13151_3053_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C58C@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 00:00:56 -0000 I guess that is the question. Does if1 and if2 both need to talk to networ= kA via separate discrete paths? NetA to if1 =3D if1 to NetA; NetA to if2 = =3D if2 to NetA. If not, it's easy right? Several options. If so, perhaps not so easy - pf = or the like. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elliot Finley [mailto:efinley.lists@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 06:18 PM To: Jon Radel Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Jon Radel wrote: > > On 6/20/11 6:30 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > >> I was kinda going this route as well - policy based routing type thing, >> but, is there an "easier" way? > > Not that I know of given a constraint of completely disjoint networks. > However, I won't be too terribly surprised if somebody comes up with > something elegant that makes us all go, "Ooooooo, what a disgustingly neat > hack." If it's two completely disjoint networks, the two networks don't use overlapping IP space and the IP space on at least one of the networks is known, then just use standard routing. put in static routes for the known space and a default route on the other interface for the unknown space. If the two networks are using overlapping space, then the only way to differentiate the packets are which interface they came in... then you'll have to use a PF hack. Elliot _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 00:32:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D955C106566C for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 00:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DA88FC0C for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 00:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.18] (bgn92-1-81-57-223-72.fbx.proxad.net [81.57.223.72]) (Authenticated sender: kha@dichotomia.fr) by sslmail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 07FFB3DD073 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 02:29:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4DFFE6B9.2020107@dichotomia.fr> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 02:32:57 +0200 From: Jerome Herman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> In-Reply-To: <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (sslmail.dichotomia.fr); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 02:29:46 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 00:32:32 -0000 On 21/06/2011 00:13, Jon Radel wrote: > > Can networks A and B talk to each other? I suspect not, otherwise > things would be just working even if all traffic went to the primary's > gateway, but I just wanted to check that there wasn't something else > bad happening. > > On the assumption that A and B are completely disconnected, then the > only solution for this problem that I know of is to do policy-based > routing using the source address or interface to make routing > decisions, rather than using solely the destination address. > > This is actually relatively trivial to do using PF. > > pass in on nic_a reply-to ($nic_a $gw_a) > pass in on nic_b reply-to ($nic_b $gw_b) From what I understand, there are two different ISP providing access to two different interfaces. In this case I am very concerned with all the bizarre things that a reply-to might trigger. What I mean is that nothing guarantees that a distant address will access the box from the same interface every time. I do not know what causes connection to be made on either nic_a or nic_b. Three things come to mind : - Multiple DNS resolution for an entry - Different routing rewriting depending on the ISP - An IP block being migrated from ISP A to ISP B with routes being updated while clients are connected So depending on the client route, packets from a given IP address can land on either interface. Actually two clients nated behind the same public address might end up on both interfaces at the same time. Even though your solution should work 99% of the time , it can lead to pretty strange behavior. I am not completely sure of how reply-to works, notably with keep state (and of course OpenBSD manuals on PF are down right now, at least from here). I remember attempting similar setups and having quite a lot of trouble with ICMP (especially RST for that matter). I guess that in order to cover all solutions there would be need to know what is exactly happening. The most important thing would be to know if both IP addresses on the server are public, or if there are private with DMZ/Port routing/NAT etc. If there is only a master DNS on the server, then I guess the worst thing that could happen would be strange timeouts and connection reset. But I there are data to be updated from the outside (DB, slave DNS, logs, mails etc.) things could turn out pretty badly. Actually I think the rules should be following not only the IP, but also the flags and the ports. Keep-state should take care of this once the connection is properly initiated, but during handshake I do not see how to guarantee proper resolution. Jerome Herman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 01:34:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3511065670 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@oddbit.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF64D8FC16 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so4840207iwr.13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.155.198 with SMTP id v6mr6856477icw.48.1308620066368; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r1sm6277951icz.14.2011.06.20.18.34.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so4840188iwr.13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:34:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.37.4 with SMTP id v4mr4885137ibd.9.1308620064023; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.137 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:34:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110620163513.GC14851@catflap.slightlystrange.org> References: <4DFEAD65.70306@a1poweruser.com> <20110620092347.GA14851@catflap.slightlystrange.org> <4DFF6A21.9070901@a1poweruser.com> <20110620163513.GC14851@catflap.slightlystrange.org> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:34:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: Lars Kellogg-Stedman To: Daniel Bye , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Subject: Re: /etc/rc.d/jail using new-style jail command? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:34:27 -0000 > To the originator of this thread - do give qjail a try - it's very good. I'll definitely give it a look! Thanks for the suggestion/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 01:36:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB90106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:36:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088E18FC14 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:36:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10227570; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:36:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.232] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10227568 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:36:18 -0400 Message-ID: <4DFFF591.6090801@radel.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:36:17 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> <4DFFE6B9.2020107@dichotomia.fr> In-Reply-To: <4DFFE6B9.2020107@dichotomia.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:36:27 -0000 On 6/20/11 8:32 PM, Jerome Herman wrote: >> pass in on nic_a reply-to ($nic_a $gw_a) >> pass in on nic_b reply-to ($nic_b $gw_b) > From what I understand, there are two different ISP providing access to > two different interfaces. In this case I am very concerned with all the > bizarre things that a reply-to might trigger. > What I mean is that nothing guarantees that a distant address will > access the box from the same interface every time. Who cares? The interfaces have different addresses so any traffic that belongs together will go to only one interface. It's not like machines out there will alternate packets to two different destination IP addresses. They might alternate "connections," for a very broad definition of "connections," but that shouldn't present a problem. As for the rest, I think you're going waaaaaayyyyy beyond what the OP described as his problem: Setup two interfaces with different addresses which make use of different gateways as the addresses belong on different networks. Allow traffic to go to one address on one network until DNS glue records are changed and traffic starts going to a second address on a second network. I would suspect that he has stateful firewalls and/or anti-spoofing rules upstream from him that keep him from replying to everything out a single interface. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 04:02:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D823E106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562228FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5L427IF081860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5L427ja081859; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA19456; Mon, 20 Jun 11 20:48:51 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:48:25 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: xaero@xaerolimit.net Message-Id: <4e001489.P5NqrGLSzdQvnn+G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20110620170115.GA25684@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20110620170115.GA25684@gmail.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New FreeBSD8.2 server install. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:02:09 -0000 Chris Brennan wrote: > 1) 1x150GB PATA/EIDE drive > 2) 2x80GB Drives (1 SATA, 1 PATA/EIDE) > 3) 1x60GB PATA/EIDE drive > 4) 2x40GB PATA/EIDE drives > > The machine is a P4 Prescott, 2.6Ghz Machine (32-bit CPU) ... First, decide whether you're going to use ZFS. Memory size is one factor: based on what I've seen on the lists, ZFS can be made to work in as little as 512MB with some tuning effort, but you'll find it much easier if you have at least 1GB (and more is better, up to the ~3.5GB limit of a 32-bit machine). I personally would not yet attempt an all-ZFS system -- I have seen too many snafus reported, granted for every report on the lists there are likely a dozen or more installations that have had no problems at all. So, if I were going to use ZFS, I would start by installing the base system on UFS on a gmirror using the two 40GB drives -- one at ad0 for booting and the other on a different cable (and, ideally, a different controller -- with 5 PATA drives you're going to need more than the 2 PATA cables originating on the mainboard anyway). The remaining drives can be given to ZFS; others will be better positioned than I to describe how best to configure that mix. If _not_ using ZFS, you get to figure out combinations of gmirror and gconcat to cover most of the space. Leftover chunks can be used for swap or for expendable stuff like /tmp. (There's little point in mirroring swap if your focus is just to avoid losing data should a drive fail. If you're looking to survive a failure without crashing at all you do need to mirror swap, and likely /tmp also.) Here's one config that would mirror all but 10GB of the total; that 10GB could be used as swap (and also as /tmp via swap-backed mdmfs or tmpfs): partition the 150GB drive into 140GB and 10GB gmirror(140,gconcat(60,80S)) gmirror(80P,gconcat(40a,40b)) Here the 80P would be ad0 for booting, and neither of the 40's should be ad1; better yet if they can be (say) ad4 and ad5 rather than ad2 and ad3 (which may share some chipset logic with ad0 and ad1). AFAIK there's no harm in the two drives of a gconcat being on the same cable. Also the 150 and the 60 should not be on the same cable (and ideally not on the same controller). 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 05:50:08 -0000 On 2011-06-21 5:52, Robert Simmons wrote: > Who is the admin for freebsd-quesitons and freebsd-security? http://www.freebsd.org/administration.html#t-postmaster Simon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 06:19:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2E5106564A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA8C8FC15 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwi7 with SMTP id 7so225296pwi.13 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:19:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=cQCtWcl/avhMlTvwOLPt8kTeIJrmZfG88meaVU/EKqA=; b=KAVPc1I1uPMa1IwSCfReFq0dGpHlS3spU47XdecnNBnrMRce7rmkiK25t01UkcaxG7 lYf9MjUeOlXVOHmhhv8xpnSLZFEHR9DiTe5Iji2a4zBDoO3NkpiqtTwlC+A3GC7m9G7Y vpNDayuhBThQGpBVPNKgq0rY77+nk8+MwOZUU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=WEkEBX58Y9HL3YOQPvBElahKaN8IKBdLw1nGhvXWc58q1bl8g7O/O71i8n0an/dJcC RU7lMYCyarCdS/7KFMP6mpODbL3/U4+gi51U8FMab4a/l3Rp3odcoMA6sG6t5qbNda2j te/kGetmw259SQF0bfnLHtSU28tlHOgpvknwU= Received: by 10.68.13.4 with SMTP id d4mr2715542pbc.64.1308637166057; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:19:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.63.130 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:18:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201106202352.24196.rsimmons0@gmail.com> References: <201106202352.24196.rsimmons0@gmail.com> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:18:46 +0300 Message-ID: To: rsimmons0@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=bcaec520edab6c389b04a632d554 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:19:27 -0000 --bcaec520edab6c389b04a632d554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 06:52, Robert Simmons wrote: > Who is the admin for freebsd-quesitons and freebsd-security? There seems > to > be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists that keep > spamming > it periodically, or in the case of freebsd-security actually don't exist > and > have a broken mailserver that sends a reponse back to the list. The > addresses > don't seem to be changing, so would it not be easy for an admin to remove > > Most, if not all, lists are managed by moderators at freebsd.org -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. --bcaec520edab6c389b04a632d554-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 09:09:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0F6106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:09:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03958FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so5158518iwr.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 02:09:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=45G/kPhCXM09JIs5YxNqs8FXrmFfZ3/4XuasQj+qrL4=; b=AZpRLPFmndGhnBZtaoKMb2W+N38KB9/a5bUYzgp2AKpBSfd9haRT0Yhfv3z/vwglRK Yxw+D9u7zmnpoPjICd2e2jtHPDPob+Jwpc+rnRsvHSB6mpFUkPegsnYgxvPUMLAexSXf en013dVhwc58N2DfhKFgXBuczZYRJuVhnst1s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=D/b0jojxYAu4koMUAl5IwqSZa2KSlEGnkiBCvMKJOoGrnXM87GlOqE4kpTg7vT5w4L yQZp5lEdr+nWGDA55FJIvskIFH+ENCgH4PhYp+o+etI05F1WwKcDz/Qt5RhsrTdUuU8G r3Zp1orpGIyTPmIupaWj60lJwfY4oS0OZugWc= Received: by 10.231.167.197 with SMTP id r5mr1108258iby.70.1308647365136; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 02:09:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: utisoft@gmail.com Received: by 10.231.49.193 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 02:08:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CDFDDCABD551A8-1A88-7D41A@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDFDDCABD551A8-1A88-7D41A@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:08:55 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dfe4y7DUHiNIwJh-qd2zX4xVn74 Message-ID: To: Allen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Point me to resource or user info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:09:26 -0000 Hi Allen, I've forwarded your request to freebsd-questions, since they're more likely in a position to help you out -- you'll need to subscribe to receive the replies! Chris [Top posted because I feel that it makes more sense here, please cut my chunk out of replies] On 21 June 2011 04:44, Allen wrote: > =A0Been on Linux maybe 10-12 distributions for 10 years, am 80 and always= been curious about BSD so finally getting around to it. > Presently sadly my new Toshiba L675D seems to have some Linux incompatibi= lities so I have win 7 with Ubuntu 10.04.2 wubi. > I do have a huge data partition that could be resized and wondering if so= me kind soul would offer options based on my present > configuration. I do have wireless network. Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 10:34:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAF9106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1168FC13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so3005029fxm.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.5.28 with SMTP id 28mr3168352fat.103.1308652445345; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm3307765fak.41.2011.06.21.03.34.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E00739A.1070409@my.gd> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:34:02 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:34:08 -0000 On 6/21/11 12:30 AM, Gary Gatten wrote: > On 6/20/11 5:07 PM, Martin McCormick wrote: > > I was kinda going this route as well - policy based routing type thing, but, is there an "easier" way? > > 1.) Temporarily enable ipforwarding - not my favorite > 2.) Instead of a second NIC, bind the new IP to the org nic (alias). > > man ifconfig specifically mentions using alias during ip renumbering: > > " alias Establish an additional network address for this interface. This > is sometimes useful when changing network numbers, and one wishes to accept packets addressed to the old interface. If the address is on the same subnet as the first network address for this interface, a non-conflicting netmask must be given. Usually 0xffffffff is most appropriate." > > Once everything is transitioned, you may reconfigure the interface with the "permanent" config. > > G > > Alias lets your interface have multiple IP addresses, however it will not address your routing issue. Find below the configuration we're using on firewalls both in the 195.158.0.0/16 network and 46.182.0.0/16 network. In the case of a simple access rule: # PASS quick SSH from trusted IPs pass in quick on $ifvlan13 reply-to ($ifvlan13 $neo_vrrp_195) inet proto tcp from to port 22 pass in quick on $ifvlan13 reply-to ($ifvlan13 $neo_vrrp_46) inet proto tcp from to port 22 In the case of a RDR , where we redirect traffic to another host: First we tag the packets in the RDR rule, then we make our access rule only match the tagged packets. # To VPN backoffice on both IP ranges rdr on $ifvlan13 inet proto tcp from any to port 1195 tag rdr_195_1195 -> 10.104.10.244 port 1195 rdr on $ifvlan13 inet proto tcp from any to port 1195 tag rdr_46_1195 -> 10.104.10.244 port 1195 # PASS in openvpn backoffice pass in log on $ifvlan13 reply-to ($ifvlan13 $neo_vrrp_195) inet proto tcp from any to port 1195 tagged rdr_195_1195 keep state label "PASS in openvpn_bo_195" pass in log on $ifvlan13 reply-to ($ifvlan13 $neo_vrrp_46) inet proto tcp from any to port 1195 tagged rdr_46_1195 keep state label "PASS in openvpn_bo_46" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 10:41:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D605E1065674 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DD28FC19 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3389195bwz.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.171.1 with SMTP id f1mr640185bkz.194.1308652909964; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ag6sm5234980bkc.18.2011.06.21.03.41.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E00756B.5050805@my.gd> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:41:47 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> <4DFFE6B9.2020107@dichotomia.fr> In-Reply-To: <4DFFE6B9.2020107@dichotomia.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:41:51 -0000 On 6/21/11 2:32 AM, Jerome Herman wrote: > On 21/06/2011 00:13, Jon Radel wrote: > So depending on the client route, packets from a given IP address can > land on either interface. Actually two clients nated behind the same > public address might end up on both interfaces at the same time. > Even though your solution should work 99% of the time , it can lead to > pretty strange behavior. I am not completely sure of how reply-to works, > notably with keep state (and of course OpenBSD manuals on PF are down > right now, at least from here). I remember attempting similar setups and > having quite a lot of trouble with ICMP (especially RST for that matter). > This does not depend on the route the client takes, but rather on the IP the client tries to reach, wouldn't you agree ? Our PF boxes have 2 public IP addresses in 2 totally different networks, as well as public shared CARP IPs. Example: # PASS quick ICMP from trust IPs pass in quick on $ifvlan13 reply-to ($ifvlan13 $neo_vrrp_195) inet proto icmp from to icmp-type echoreq label "PASS in icmp_195" pass in quick on $ifvlan13 reply-to ($ifvlan13 $neo_vrrp_46) inet proto icmp from to icmp-type echoreq label "PASS in icmp_46" If you reach the box on it's 195.158.x.x IP (physical or carp), it'll reply through its router in the 195.158.x.x network If you reach the box on it's 46.182.x.x IP (physical or carp), it'll reply through its router in the 46.182.x.x network This is a production payment system so we'd know if there was trouble ;) > I guess that in order to cover all solutions there would be need to know > what is exactly happening. The most important thing would be to know if > both IP addresses on the server are public, or if there are private with > DMZ/Port routing/NAT etc. Doesn't change much. > If there is only a master DNS on the server, then I guess the worst > thing that could happen would be strange timeouts and connection reset. > But I there are data to be updated from the outside (DB, slave DNS, > logs, mails etc.) things could turn out pretty badly. > > Actually I think the rules should be following not only the IP, but also > the flags and the ports. Keep-state should take care of this once the > connection is properly initiated, but during handshake I do not see how > to guarantee proper resolution. > AFAIK during the TCP three-way handshake the initiator presents itself with a source IP and port and a destination IP and port, the source tracking does exactly what you're describing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 11:19:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633AD1065672 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BA08FC18 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6.nber.org (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5LBJbSs001981; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:19:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber6.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5LBCSdQ022631; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:12:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nber6.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:12:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: Martin McCormick In-Reply-To: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110621 #5599761, check: 20110621 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:19:41 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Martin McCormick wrote: > I would like to say that I got it working, but after > looking at the duel-homed host section of the Handbook, I am > still stuck. A Google search turned up a thread from a couple of > years ago that almost echoed my exact words. We've got a system > with network interfaces on two disjointed networks. No routing > is desired, but we very much want for both interfaces to be > accessible from the world so each interface has to know about > its nearest gateway just as the primary interface knows about > the default route. What one seems to always be able to do is get > the primary up and talking to the world with no real trouble. > The secondary is on its network and you can log in from another > host on the same subnet but you can never see it from the world, > at large. > Several thoughts: (1) Are you sure the 2nd network is working? Can you test it without the complication of dual interfaces? (2) Without very special software, the interface for outbound packets is determined exclusively by the destination address, with no influence by the address of the incoming packet to that process. So when you log in via interface B, the return packets will likely come from interface A. Is there a firewall or router configured to restrict those outgoing packets? (3) The FreeBSD part of this "should just work". If you just use sysinstall to install the second interface, that should be enough, no other configuration is required. I would look at network devices for the ource of the problem. (4) Section 31.2 of the Handbook is entirely about using the FreeBSD box as a gateway or router to connect the two networks. I don't think you want to do that. They don't have a section on having a FreeBSD box belong to two networks, and not route between them, perhaps because it doesn't require any additional configuration. See (3) above. Daniel Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 11:28:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DAC106566C for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:28:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@x.it.okstate.edu) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (x.it.okstate.edu [139.78.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34BF8FC14 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by x.it.okstate.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5LBSvCe095130 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:28:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@x.it.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <95128.1308655737.1@x.it.okstate.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:28:57 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:28:59 -0000 Here is what the issue is right now. The remote campus in question has been on number space that was part of our Class B network. They got a block of subnets for their DNS's and campus enterprises and work stations. We secured them their own number space and they are migrating from their portion of our network to their new network and both nets are presented routable from the rest of the world. If you do a whois query for their domain, you get the address on our network of their primary DNS. When one updates the whois data, there is a lag of some hours until new queries start going to the new address of their primary DNS. In the mean time, we don't really care but we would like for the new interface for the primary to be reachable so that the minute the information changes, we're answering lookups. After that point, we will permanently take down the old interface address on our network and probably reboot with the normal configuration now being the new IP address. The problem I have, probably due to a misunderstanding of what I need to do, is easy to describe. The defaultrouter statement in rc.conf or route add default x.x.x.x from the command line sets an interface to know that packets whose destinations or sources that are outside the subnet go to that default gateway. When I set up the secondary interface, I have not been able to come up with a statement or statements that tell fxp1 that it's default router is y.y.y.y so you can't ever reach it from outside the new subnet. Once traffic ever gets in to the system, it will probably stay together based on the interface where it came from, but it won't have to do it for hopefully more than a few hours. I have tried both a second physical connection and an alias and have ended up with the same behavior each time. Since we have the second NIC active, I prefer to use it if I can ever get it to use its router just like the primary interface does. Right now, I can get on to our secondary DNS which is in the same subnet as the new address for the primary and log right in to the primary through the new interface. From anywhere else on the Earth, that new address is as dead as a doornail. I certainly appreciate every posting so far as routing is one of the thorniest issues one can encounter in networking so the more one is aware of, the less head-scratching and frustration there is. Martin McCormick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 11:44:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEB0106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:44:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9728FC08 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so2059827vws.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.103 with SMTP id k7mr4773787vdv.210.1308656659479; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bt2sm2087655vdc.12.2011.06.21.04.44.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Qz6f86v70z2CG44 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:44:16 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201106202352.24196.rsimmons0@gmail.com> References: <201106202352.24196.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:44:22 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:52:23 -0400 Robert Simmons articulated: > Who is the admin for freebsd-quesitons and freebsd-security? There > seems to be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists > that keep spamming it periodically, or in the case of > freebsd-security actually don't exist and have a broken mailserver > that sends a reponse back to the list. The addresses don't seem to > be changing, so would it not be easy for an admin to remove those > addresses from the list? > > I've tried sending emails to postmaster@freebsd.org about it, but I > get no response, so I figure I'm barking up the wrong tree there. You have voiced a concern that has been voiced here several times in the past. Unfortunately, this is an "open" list; ie, anyone subscribed or not can post. This leads to the inevitable problems that plague this forum. I have tried contacting the "postmaster" in the past also. Personally, I think it would be easier to contact Jimmy Hoffa(1). Occasionally you will see some reference to "moderators", but then again, I have never witnessed any actual intervention on their part. Of course, I have also seen references to Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny although I have never personally witnessed either of them. Now, if this forum were conducted under the same restraints that the Postfix forums(2) adhere to, the quality of advice given and basic overall quality of this forum would increase immeasurably. It is my personal view that FreeBSD-Questions should be consolidated into the chat forum. Chat forums are rarely moderated and tend to be open to the general public. The "Questions" forum has deteriorated to the level of SlashDot which has deteriorated to the level of a cesspool. At least SlashDot openly admits that they allow (encourage) "Anonymous Coward" to post. (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa (2) http://www.postfix.org/lists.html -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 11:50:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E87A1065672 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240858FC13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:50:37 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=7MVFZv0TI9sMYcj5GduIecfyz4nDumBXav2uHhTW9CI=; b=SfOispCz3JjysCjnvI3RNqa5ihHgob5W6dZa1beH8a7tSz8mPHVxci2xfy7X/vvKUSGTm5IulFYTpRWmNOmwi3fmZLrjxS/62eHC26HURmeNawWL+Xgq2h3dtvxdY7J0uVYxbUnGZufCH5RiQfPS0G0omCJ3Cb5JMxvuDKD4nTY= Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:50:38 -0700 Message-ID: <4E008592.9060504@a1poweruser.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:50:42 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allen References: <8CDFDDCABD551A8-1A88-7D41A@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2011 11:50:38.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[70557770:01CC3009] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Point me to resource or user info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:50:38 -0000 > On 21 June 2011 04:44, Allen wrote: > Been on Linux maybe 10-12 distributions for 10 years, am 80 and always been curious about BSD so finally getting around to it. > Presently sadly my new Toshiba L675D seems to have some Linux incompatibilities so I have win 7 with Ubuntu 10.04.2 wubi. > I do have a huge data partition that could be resized and wondering if some kind soul would offer options based on my present > configuration. I do have wireless network. Thank you Best place for you to start is by reading the Freebsd Handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ and the Freebsd installer guide http://www.a1poweruser.com/ Its easy to clobber the PCs primary operating system so before installing on your new Toshiba L675D be sure to create backups or better yet swap the hard drive with a empty one to play on until you have learned what your doing. Good luck and enjoy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 12:09:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064B11065670 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:09:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6B08FC18 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so1889406qwc.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.127.66 with SMTP id f2mr4412549qas.28.1308658177751; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 05:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm715911qcm.27.2011.06.21.05.09.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 05:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Qz7CM3N2wz2CG44 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:09:34 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110621080934.7980c7cc@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4E008592.9060504@a1poweruser.com> References: <8CDFDDCABD551A8-1A88-7D41A@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> <4E008592.9060504@a1poweruser.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Point me to resource or user info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:09:39 -0000 On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:50:42 -0400 Fbsd8 articulated: > > On 21 June 2011 04:44, Allen wrote: > > Been on Linux maybe 10-12 distributions for 10 years, am 80 and > > always been curious about BSD so finally getting around to it. > > Presently sadly my new Toshiba L675D seems to have some Linux > > incompatibilities so I have win 7 with Ubuntu 10.04.2 wubi. I do > > have a huge data partition that could be resized and wondering if > > some kind soul would offer options based on my present > > configuration. I do have wireless network. Thank you > > Best place for you to start is by reading the Freebsd Handbook > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ > and the Freebsd installer guide > http://www.a1poweruser.com/ > > Its easy to clobber the PCs primary operating system so before > installing on your new Toshiba L675D be sure to create backups or > better yet swap the hard drive with a empty one to play on until you > have learned what your doing. This PC supports Wi-Fi® Wireless networking (802.11b/g/n); however, FreeBSD has extremely poor support for "N" class devices. You might find that to be a show stopper. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 12:26:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42243106566C for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:26:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39F68FC12 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10228218; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:26:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.232] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10228216 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:25:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4E008DC4.7040400@radel.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:25:40 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> <4DFFE6B9.2020107@dichotomia.fr> <4E00756B.5050805@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4E00756B.5050805@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:26:12 -0000 On 6/21/11 6:41 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > > > On 6/21/11 2:32 AM, Jerome Herman wrote: >> On 21/06/2011 00:13, Jon Radel wrote: > >> So depending on the client route, packets from a given IP address can >> land on either interface. Actually two clients nated behind the same >> public address might end up on both interfaces at the same time. >> Even though your solution should work 99% of the time , it can lead to >> pretty strange behavior. I am not completely sure of how reply-to works, >> notably with keep state (and of course OpenBSD manuals on PF are down >> right now, at least from here). I remember attempting similar setups and >> having quite a lot of trouble with ICMP (especially RST for that matter). >> I most emphatically did NOT write that. Somebody else isn't quoting properly. --Jon Radel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 12:46:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CAC106566C for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6AA8FC12 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (pD9FBEA88.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.234.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5LCkKoB088875; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:46:21 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5LCkBlx088929; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:46:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5LCk12l009885; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:46:11 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106211246.p5LCk12l009885@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Allen From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:44:34 EDT." <8CDFDDCABD551A8-1A88-7D41A@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:46:01 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Point me to resource or user info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: questions@freebsd.org, Allen , "Julian H. Stacey" List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:46:27 -0000 Hi, Allen wrote: > Been on Linux maybe 10-12 distributions for 10 years, am 80 and always been curious about BSD so finally getting around to it. > Presently sadly my new Toshiba L675D seems to have some Linux incompatibilities so I have win 7 with Ubuntu 10.04.2 wubi. > I do have a huge data partition that could be resized and wondering if some kind soul would offer options based on my present > configuration. I do have wireless network. Thank you You mailed the wrong list, This list ctm-users@freebsd.org is for very specialised usages, for list of lists, see http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo So in this reply I set: To: Allen bcc: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org reply-to: questions@freebsd.org, Allen , "Julian H. Stacey" Welcome to BSD, There's quite a few BSDs http://www.berklix.com/bsd/ prob. something like FreeBSD or PC-BSD will suit you best. Yes, you can shrink your Win 7 partition. I answered a similar question recently http://berklix.com/~jhs/txt/install_bsd.html Summary of methods/ other answers: Using programs runs on MS, some commercial, some free Running a free live Linux CD such as knoppix & shrink from there. Boot an existing(*) FreeBSD & run ntfsresize(*) http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/txt/install_bsd.html#ntfsresize http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/ports/jhs/sysutils/ntfsprogs/files/README.JHS (*) We havent yet (as of 8.2-RELEASE) put ntfsresize on FreeBSD livefs boot media (I mean to submit a send-pr for that some time, unless someone else beets me to it (welcome) :-) For now remove disc, connect it to another machine running BSD, build & install /usr/ports/sysutils/ntfsprogs & run ntfresize Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 13:10:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3886F106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:10:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E969D8FC27 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10228307; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:10:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.232] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10228305 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:09:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4E00981B.3070102@radel.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:09:47 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:10:12 -0000 On 6/21/11 7:28 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > The problem I have, probably due to a misunderstanding > of what I need to do, is easy to describe. > > The defaultrouter statement in rc.conf or > > route add default x.x.x.x > > from the command line sets an interface to know that packets > whose destinations or sources that are outside the subnet go to > that default gateway. There is only one default gateway per FreeBSD machine. > > When I set up the secondary interface, I have not been > able to come up with a statement or statements that tell fxp1 > that it's default router is y.y.y.y so you can't ever reach it > from outside the new subnet. > This, in of itself, doesn't follow. In the absence of stateful firewalls and anti-spoofing filtering (blocking packets that don't have a source IP address on the "expected" list), or a complete disconnect between your networks, any packet coming in fxp1 can have a reply go out fxp0, to the default gateway, and get where it's going just fine. We can quibble over the finer details of the evils of asymmetrical routing some other day, but fundamentally an IP network doesn't care in the SLIGHTEST which route a packet takes to get where it's going. > I have tried both a second physical connection and an > alias and have ended up with the same behavior each time. Since > we have the second NIC active, I prefer to use it if I can ever > get it to use its router just like the primary interface does. As hinted at above, this is possibly not a FreeBSD issue at all. Without knowledge of how your network actually works, there's not too much more to be said, but one of the following should be true: 1) You don't have stateful firewalling and anti-spoofing filtering in the way, and something on your network is broken, as the default FreeBSD behavior should simply work if you've got a network that is simply transitioning from one set of addresses to another. 2) If you really can't reply to the same default gateway for everything, you'll need to do either policy-based routing or add more specific routes, depending on whether outgoing traffic can be segregated by source address, destination address, etc. However, since it appears that you don't actually have 2 networks at all, given your clarification that you've tried an interface alias, I'm left with one key question: Are your two gateways two different interfaces, or one interface with two different IP addresses? If the former, I'd try policy-based routing. If the latter, I'd check my firewall rules really carefully. Next step in any case should probably be to do some packet sniffing to confirm that packets from the outside world to the new address actually get to you in the first place. Or have you confirmed this from DNS logs or something else? --Jon Radel jon@radel.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 13:13:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE954106564A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@oddbit.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA2D8FC16 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so5378769iwr.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.130.201 with SMTP id w9mr7522848ics.136.1308661994986; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hw7sm6779857icc.3.2011.06.21.06.13.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so5378733iwr.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:13:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.111.228 with SMTP id t36mr6278984ibp.59.1308661993007; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.137 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:13:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E00981B.3070102@radel.com> References: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> <4E00981B.3070102@radel.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:13:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Lars Kellogg-Stedman To: Jon Radel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:13:15 -0000 > This, in of itself, doesn't follow. =C2=A0In the absence of stateful fire= walls > and anti-spoofing filtering (blocking packets that don't have a source IP > address on the "expected" list), While I can't comment on anyone else's environment, it is in my experience very common in most corporate and educational settings for routers to have anti-spoofing rules that will drop anything with an ip address that does not originate on the local subnet. -- Lars From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 13:35:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28E3106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:35:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@oddbit.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3688FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so2467793iyb.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.60.132 with SMTP id p4mr6053225ibh.121.1308663299874; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm3808293ibc.42.2011.06.21.06.34.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so2467772iyb.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:34:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.10.138 with SMTP id p10mr6514719ibp.84.1308663298365; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.137 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:34:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:34:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Lars Kellogg-Stedman To: Martin McCormick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:35:00 -0000 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When I set up the secondary interface, I have = not been > able to come up with a statement or statements that tell fxp1 > that it's default router is y.y.y.y so you can't ever reach it > from outside the new subnet. What you want to do is called "policy routing" or "source routing", since you want to select a route based on your local address. While I've done this frequently under Linux, I've never had to set this up on a FreeBSD system. It looks like you would do this through the "pf" subsystem...unfortunately, openbsd.org appears to be down right now, and that appears to be the repository for the pf documentation. Look at the "ROUTING" section of the pf.conf(5) man page. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 14:24:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0ED106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6191D8FC12 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe6 with SMTP id 6so2840405wwe.31 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.204.148 with SMTP id fm20mr361673wbb.38.1308666272286; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ei4sm4042941wbb.43.2011.06.21.07.24.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E00A99D.30603@my.gd> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:24:29 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:24:36 -0000 On 6/21/11 1:28 PM, Martin McCormick wrote: > Here is what the issue is right now. The remote campus > in question has been on number space that was part of our Class > B network. They got a block of subnets for their DNS's and > campus enterprises and work stations. We secured them their own > number space and they are migrating from their portion of our > network to their new network and both nets are presented > routable from the rest of the world. > > If you do a whois query for their domain, you get the > address on our network of their primary DNS. When one updates > the whois data, there is a lag of some hours until new queries > start going to the new address of their primary DNS. In the mean > time, we don't really care but we would like for the new > interface for the primary to be reachable so that the minute the > information changes, we're answering lookups. After that point, > we will permanently take down the old interface address on our > network and probably reboot with the normal configuration now > being the new IP address. > > The problem I have, probably due to a misunderstanding > of what I need to do, is easy to describe. > > The defaultrouter statement in rc.conf or > > route add default x.x.x.x > > from the command line sets an interface to know that packets > whose destinations or sources that are outside the subnet go to > that default gateway. > > When I set up the secondary interface, I have not been > able to come up with a statement or statements that tell fxp1 > that it's default router is y.y.y.y so you can't ever reach it > from outside the new subnet. > > Once traffic ever gets in to the system, it will > probably stay together based on the interface where it came > from, but it won't have to do it for hopefully more than a few > hours. > > I have tried both a second physical connection and an > alias and have ended up with the same behavior each time. Since > we have the second NIC active, I prefer to use it if I can ever > get it to use its router just like the primary interface does. > > Right now, I can get on to our secondary DNS which is in > the same subnet as the new address for the primary and log right > in to the primary through the new interface. From anywhere else > on the Earth, that new address is as dead as a doornail. > > I certainly appreciate every posting so far as routing > is one of the thorniest issues one can encounter in networking > so the more one is aware of, the less head-scratching and > frustration there is. > > Martin McCormick > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Let's summarize it like so: Your client has a DNS serveur called "dns1". This server has an IP from your subnet, from example 100.100.100.53 in 100.100.100.0/24 Your client has gotten 200.200.200.0/24 from the RIPE NCC and wants to migrate to their new IP range. Your client wants and needs to maintain their 100.100.100.0/24 addresses for some time. First, on dns1, you'll configure an interface with both public IPs, either on a vlan interface or on a physical interface: CURRENT: ifconfig em0 inet 100.100.100.53/24 route add default 100.100.100.1 PLANNED: ifconfig em0 inet 200.200.200.53/24 alias This command adds the "200.200.200.53" IP on your em0 interface but doesn't remove the previous one. Your now have em0 with 2 public IPs, one in each range. PROBLEM: However, if you try to ping 200.200.200.53, say from host 50.50.50.50, the server dns1 tries to reach you back with its default route at 100.100.100.1. Stateful filtering or simple antispoof rules prevent that. SOLUTION: You need a way to reply using a specific route depending on which IP was requested by the internet user at 50.50.50.50 If they queried 100.100.100.53, you need to route through 100.100.100.1. If they queried 200.200.200.53, you need to route through 200.200.200.1. TECHNICAL IMPLEMENTATION: pf provides the tools for what you'd like to do, through the "reply-to" option in access rules. Find below an example: # VARIABLES DEFS pub_if="em0" # Our network interface with the public IPs bound to it pub_100="100.100.100.53" # Our own IP in the 100.100.100.0/24 range gw_100="100.100.100.1" # Our ISP's router in the 100.100.100.0/24 range pub_200="200.200.200.53" # Our own IP in the 200.200.200.0/24 range gw_200="200.200.200.53" # Our ISP's router in the 200.200.200.0/24 range # ACCESS RULES pass in log on $pub_if reply-to ($pub_if $gw_100) inet proto {tcp,udp} from any to $pub_100 pass in log on $pub_if reply-to ($pub_if $gw_200) inet proto {tcp,udp} from any to $pub_200 That is all you need. Automatically, PF will use the router 100.100.100.1 for packets that were destined to IP 100.100.100.53 on server dns1 , and 200.200.200.1 for packets destined to 200.200.200.53 This solution provides the symmetric routing you're looking for and is proven, we use it in production just fine here. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 15:16:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0B8106564A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) Received: from coke.conundrum.com (coke.conundrum.com [216.235.9.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6538FC18 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chani.conundrum.com (chani.conundrum.com [216.235.10.34]) by coke.conundrum.com (8.13.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id p5LF0QHI054814; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:00:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) From: Matthew Pounsett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:00:21 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <73E783DC-E32B-4DE3-AFF6-4A75D1D3A00A@conundrum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: sed argument processing b0rked? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:16:58 -0000 I'm running into a weird problem with sed. I believe what I'm trying to = do should work fine, but seem to be stymied by weirdness in sed's = argument processing. This is on 8.2-RELEASE-p2. > which sed /usr/bin/sed According to years of experience and re-reading the man page five times = today this should work, however sed is treating the second -e as a file = name: > sed -i'' -e 's/^\(REVOKE ALL ON SCHEMA public FROM = \)postgres/\1pgsql/' \ ? -e 's/^\(GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO \)postgres/\1pgsql/' = \ ? /tmp/pgdump sed: -e: No such file or directory If I drop the second -e it seems to work (the permission denied is = expected): > sed -i'' -e 's/^\(REVOKE ALL ON SCHEMA public FROM = \)postgres/\1pgsql/' \ ? /tmp/pgdump sed: /tmp/pgdump: Permission denied This is contrary to the sed man page: A single command may be specified as the first argument to sed. = Multiple commands may be specified by using the -e or -f options. All = commands are applied to the input in the order they are specified regardless = of their origin. I thought maybe it was an argument order problem, since -i is listed = after -e in the syntax synopsis (sometimes that matters) but that is = actually even weirder: sed -e 's/^\(REVOKE ALL ON SCHEMA public FROM \)postgres/\1pgsql/' \ -e 's/^\(GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO \)postgres/\1pgsql/' \ =20= -i'' /tmp/pgdump sed: -I or -i may not be used with stdin Fiddling around some more, I found that -e can't be supplied for the = first command if there are multiple commands to be given.. but it does = work if there's only one. That doesn't seem right. sed -i'' 's/^\(REVOKE ALL ON SCHEMA public FROM \)postgres/\1pgsql/' \ -e 's/^\(GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO \)postgres/\1pgsql/' = \ /tmp/pgdump sed: /tmp/pgdump: Permission denied However, that breaks again if -i is moved: > sed 's/^\(REVOKE ALL ON SCHEMA public FROM \)postgres/\1pgsql/' \ -e 's/^\(GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO \)postgres/\1pgsql/' \ -i'' /tmp/pgdump sed: -e: No such file or directory sed: s/^\(GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO \)postgres/\1pgsql/: No such = file or directory sed: -i: No such file or directory sed: /tmp/pgdump: Permission denied I'm fairly certain this has worked the way I'm expecting it to in the = past. After all, I wrote it this way out of habit. Either way, it = seems to me that argument processing in the current sed distributed with = the OS is broken with respect to the way it's documented. Or am I = missing something? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 15:24:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E66E106564A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:24:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@oddbit.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5F68FC20 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so2596669iyb.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.170.3 with SMTP id d3mr7561350icz.438.1308669878313; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ft12sm3857662ibb.2.2011.06.21.08.24.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so2596636iyb.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:24:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.10.138 with SMTP id p10mr6601758ibp.84.1308669876546; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.137 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:24:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <73E783DC-E32B-4DE3-AFF6-4A75D1D3A00A@conundrum.com> References: <73E783DC-E32B-4DE3-AFF6-4A75D1D3A00A@conundrum.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:24:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Lars Kellogg-Stedman To: Matthew Pounsett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sed argument processing b0rked? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:24:39 -0000 >> sed -i'' -e 's/^\(REVOKE ALL ON SCHEMA public FROM \)postgres/\1pgsql/' = \ > ? =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-e 's/^\(GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public T= O \)postgres/\1pgsql/' =C2=A0 =C2=A0\ > ? =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/tmp/pgdump > sed: -e: No such file or directory If you put a space after -i: sed -i '' ... It will work. The '-i' option takes an argument, and if you put a null argument right next to it, with no spaces, the shell doesn't see anything there. That is, this: -i'' Is exactly equivalent to this: -i Which means that sed is consuming the following argument as the extension...so the first '-e' is the argument to the '-i' option. -- Lars From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 15:30:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C661106564A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) Received: from coke.conundrum.com (coke.conundrum.com [216.235.9.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F618FC16 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chani.conundrum.com (chani.conundrum.com [216.235.10.34]) by coke.conundrum.com (8.13.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id p5LFTw7l055563; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:29:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Pounsett In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:29:53 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <73E783DC-E32B-4DE3-AFF6-4A75D1D3A00A@conundrum.com> To: Lars Kellogg-Stedman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sed argument processing b0rked? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:30:16 -0000 On 2011/06/21, at 11:24, Lars Kellogg-Stedman wrote: >>> sed -i'' -e 's/^\(REVOKE ALL ON SCHEMA public FROM = \)postgres/\1pgsql/' \ >> ? -e 's/^\(GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO = \)postgres/\1pgsql/' \ >> ? /tmp/pgdump >> sed: -e: No such file or directory >=20 > If you put a space after -i: >=20 > sed -i '' ... Aha... I knew it had to be something. I couldn't quite wrap my head = around the idea that sed is misbehaving.. it seems way too old and set = in its ways for that. However, I did get the -i'' syntax from = somewhere.. perhaps it's a GNUism and I just forgot where I picked it = up. =20 Thanks for the correction!= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 15:33:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF0E106564A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:33:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@oddbit.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CE48FC08 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so5545887iwr.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.243.3 with SMTP id lk3mr7667262icb.161.1308670407446; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a9sm1555776icy.18.2011.06.21.08.33.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so2606436iyb.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:33:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.37.4 with SMTP id v4mr5524107ibd.9.1308670406013; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.137 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:33:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <73E783DC-E32B-4DE3-AFF6-4A75D1D3A00A@conundrum.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:33:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Lars Kellogg-Stedman To: Matthew Pounsett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sed argument processing b0rked? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:33:28 -0000 > Aha... I knew it had to be something. =C2=A0I couldn't quite wrap my head= around the idea that sed is misbehaving.. it seems way too old and set in = its ways for that. =C2=A0 However, I did get the -i'' syntax from somewhere= .. perhaps it's a GNUism and I just forgot where I picked it up. In GNU sed, the -i option does not require an argument, so "sed -i -e 's/a/b/' -e 's/c/d/' ..." is legal syntax. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 15:49:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569DA1065674 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vshah@raytheonvtc.com) Received: from pobox1.virtc.com (wsip-174-77-2-66.dc.dc.cox.net [174.77.2.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A1F8FC17 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pobox1.virtc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A69941832D for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:32:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pobox1.virtc.com Received: from pobox1.virtc.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pobox1.virtc.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PhFfbqef+7is for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrmailman.virtc.com (mrmailman.virtc.com [192.168.7.8]) by pobox1.virtc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3254180EF for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:32:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Viren R. Shah" To: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e6c601cc3028$6c33c920$449b5b60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.10_GA_2693 (ZimbraConnectorForOutlook/6.0.5736.2) Thread-Index: AcwwKGu9kFd+gufXS/+pOPsHk+wNxQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [192.168.2.157] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Pointers to debugging slow iSCSI initiator performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:49:16 -0000 Folks I have a FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE system that I'm connecting via iSCSI to a Compellent SAN. The iscsi-initiator works fine but is very slow and given to periodic (very short) hangs. The issue is that we have subversion on it and it takes a long time to checkout some of our repos. Any pointers to tweaking the config or figuring out the cause of the slowness is appreciated. I haven't found many posts about the iscsi-initiator on FreeBSD in my searches. The config is below: arachnophile# dd if=/dev/zero of=/san/test.out bs=1M count=2048 2048+0 records in 2048+0 records out 2147483648 bytes transferred in 145.111894 secs (14798812 bytes/sec) arachnophile# uname -a FreeBSD arachnophile.virtc.com 8.1-STABLE FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE #0: Wed Oct 13 13:52:31 EDT 2010 root@arachnophile.virtc.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ARACHNOPHILE amd64 arachnophile# more /etc/iscsi.conf compellent { initiatorname = arach TargetName = iqn.2002-03.com.compellent:50000d3100067001 TargetAddress = 172.30.0.10:3260,0 } Hardware (in case it matters) is an IBM xSeries 346 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.40GHz (3400.16-MHz K8-class CPU) real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) arachnophile# netstat -I bge1 Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Idrop Opkts Oerrs Coll bge1 1500 00:14:5e:2b:39:7d 353438253 0 0 438355075 0 0 bge1 1500 172.30.0.0 172.30.0.66 353316523 - - 438348928 - - Thanks Viren Shah vshah@raytheonvtc.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 16:19:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D08106567C for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3F88FC16 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.225.107.123] (helo=[192.168.42.12]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH g8kbv) (Exim 4.69) id 1QZ3g8-0000bJ-YY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:19:52 +0000 From: "Dave" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:19:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4E00C4A8.19029.B21C1E7@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4E008592.9060504@a1poweruser.com> References: <8CDFDDCABD551A8-1A88-7D41A@webmail-m169.sysops.aol.com>, , <4E008592.9060504@a1poweruser.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: Point me to resource or user info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:19:54 -0000 > and the Freebsd installer guide > http://www.a1poweruser.com/ > Hmmm... Wish I'd known about that a while back. It's more or less exactly what I've been looking for, a realy good "how to" guide for F'BSD. The only thing missing (had a quick look!) is details on Jails (they are mentioned, but you are pointed back at the Handbook..) However.. I've learnt something else already (Using mouse copy/paste function) so thanks very much for that site. Very good for us less (in F'BSD at least) experienced types. Cheers.. DaveB From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 16:21:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC0F106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:21:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@x.it.okstate.edu) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (x.it.okstate.edu [139.78.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B00B8FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by x.it.okstate.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5LGLEUK097361 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:21:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@x.it.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <201106211621.p5LGLEUK097361@x.it.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <97359.1308673274.1@x.it.okstate.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:21:14 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:21:15 -0000 Damien Fleuriot writes: > SOLUTION: > You need a way to reply using a specific route depending on which IP was > requested by the internet user at 50.50.50.50 > > If they queried 100.100.100.53, you need to route through 100.100.100.1. > If they queried 200.200.200.53, you need to route through 200.200.200.1. > > > TECHNICAL IMPLEMENTATION: > pf provides the tools for what you'd like to do, through the "reply-to" Thanks for that excellent explanation. Everybody has been very helpful so now, I at least know what I need to work on and many thanks for the example. I am not quoting the rest of the message, but will save it as I set up the rules. Again, thanks to all. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 16:29:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B744106566B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:29:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAB48FC0C for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.51] (109.53-251-89.rdns.acropolistelecom.net [89.251.53.109]) (Authenticated sender: kha) by mail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED7143DD07C for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:26:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E00C720.5010701@dichotomia.fr> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:30:24 +0200 From: Jerome Herman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110607 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> <4DFFE6B9.2020107@dichotomia.fr> <4E00756B.5050805@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4E00756B.5050805@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.dichotomia.fr); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:26:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:29:40 -0000 On 06/21/11 12:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 6/21/11 2:32 AM, Jerome Herman wrote: > >> So depending on the client route, packets from a given IP address can >> land on either interface. Actually two clients nated behind the same >> public address might end up on both interfaces at the same time. >> Even though your solution should work 99% of the time , it can lead to >> pretty strange behavior. I am not completely sure of how reply-to works, >> notably with keep state (and of course OpenBSD manuals on PF are down >> right now, at least from here). I remember attempting similar setups and >> having quite a lot of trouble with ICMP (especially RST for that matter). >> > This does not depend on the route the client takes, but rather on the IP > the client tries to reach, wouldn't you agree ? Most of the problems I was afraid of were lifted when further explanations where given. But just for the records I would like to explain further what I meant, adding some examples. 1°) It is perfectly possible for a public IP to be routed differently depending on the ISP. Actually it is quite common when you have multiple provider to create "shortcuts" in the routing table. Let us say your main provider is ISP A who is officially routing your public IP, but you also have a privileged link with ISP B who will redirect any request made to your public IP to a private IP on your network (NAT or DMZ, your pick). All clients from ISP A will come to your public IP directly, all clients from ISP B will go through your private IP, but clients from ISP C ? Well it will depends on whether the route they elect goes to ISP A or ISP B first. 2°) Even if there are two distinct public addresses A & B , what happens when two nated computers behind an public address Z try to connect to the server at the same time ? reply-to disturbs the normal flow of answers, in case two connections are attempted from the same distant address at the same moment (second SYN received before first SYN/ACK is sent ) what is supposed to happen. I think each connection will receive a proper SYN/ACK from the right interface, but I cannot find anything to confirm/infirm this. 3°) Another thing that can happen, in case the interface selection is route dependent, is that the route can change between packet N and packet N+1. In this case using reply-to will very probably lead to a connection RST on the second interface while the first will go into timeout. So basically these were the problematics I was trying to point out in my previous mail. Hope I am clearer now Jerome Herman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 16:45:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE869106564A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:45:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862628FC17 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so4655504wyb.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.39.66 with SMTP id f2mr6639238wbe.2.1308674727991; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fi5sm4140038wbb.39.2011.06.21.09.45.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E00CAA4.7080008@my.gd> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:45:24 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> <4DFFE6B9.2020107@dichotomia.fr> <4E00756B.5050805@my.gd> <4E00C720.5010701@dichotomia.fr> In-Reply-To: <4E00C720.5010701@dichotomia.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:45:30 -0000 On 6/21/11 6:30 PM, Jerome Herman wrote: > On 06/21/11 12:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> >> This does not depend on the route the client takes, but rather on the IP >> the client tries to reach, wouldn't you agree ? > > Most of the problems I was afraid of were lifted when further > explanations where given. But just for the records I would like to > explain further what I meant, adding some examples. > > 1°) It is perfectly possible for a public IP to be routed differently > depending on the ISP. Actually it is quite common when you have multiple > provider to create "shortcuts" in the routing table. Let us say your > main provider is ISP A who is officially routing your public IP, but you > also have a privileged link with ISP B who will redirect any request > made to your public IP to a private IP on your network (NAT or DMZ, your > pick). > All clients from ISP A will come to your public IP directly, all clients > from ISP B will go through your private IP, but clients from ISP C ? > Well it will depends on whether the route they elect goes to ISP A or > ISP B first. > This has to do with BGP, transits and peerings, this is not really relevant to your case of having 2 public IPs served by a box. But then, to answer your question: Let's say you have 2 public and 1 private IP on the box. Traffic to public IP A has a reply-to to the ISP's router in network A. Traffic to public IP B has a reply-to to the ISP's router in network B. Traffic to private IP C has a reply-to to the ISP's router in network C. I really can not see what your concern is, here. In fact, this is pretty much what we use here, we have RDR rules set up on our firewalls to pass packets to our reverse proxies' private IPs. > 2°) Even if there are two distinct public addresses A & B , what happens > when two nated computers behind an public address Z try to connect to > the server at the same time ? reply-to disturbs the normal flow of > answers, in case two connections are attempted from the same distant > address at the same moment (second SYN received before first SYN/ACK is > sent ) what is supposed to happen. I think each connection will receive > a proper SYN/ACK from the right interface, but I cannot find anything to > confirm/infirm this. > What you need to take into account is that these are 2 different connections each with an ID, a source IP (shared: Z) and a source port (randomized). This will not be messed up by reply-to. > 3°) Another thing that can happen, in case the interface selection is > route dependent, is that the route can change between packet N and > packet N+1. In this case using reply-to will very probably lead to a > connection RST on the second interface while the first will go into > timeout. > We're talking about your own egress route here, which depends on the IP you are replying from. If you're replying with IP A, you'll use the router in network A. If you're replying with IP B, you'll use the router in network B. Whatever BGP topology changes your ISP undergoes at that time has no effect on this part of networking. Now, if your primary ISP were to have a problem, BGP will converge and your secondary transit will be used to route packets to your public IPs. In this case of course, it is mandatory that when ISP1 fails, ISP2 takes over the router IPs you're using in networks A and B. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 17:26:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73ADA1065672 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:26:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EE68FC1A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.51] (109.53-251-89.rdns.acropolistelecom.net [89.251.53.109]) (Authenticated sender: kha) by mail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A83B03DD07A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:23:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E00D47D.9040603@dichotomia.fr> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:27:25 +0200 From: Jerome Herman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110607 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> <4DFFE6B9.2020107@dichotomia.fr> <4E00756B.5050805@my.gd> <4E00C720.5010701@dichotomia.fr> <4E00CAA4.7080008@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4E00CAA4.7080008@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.dichotomia.fr); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:23:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:26:40 -0000 On 06/21/11 18:45, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 6/21/11 6:30 PM, Jerome Herman wrote: >> On 06/21/11 12:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> This does not depend on the route the client takes, but rather on the IP >>> the client tries to reach, wouldn't you agree ? >> Most of the problems I was afraid of were lifted when further >> explanations where given. But just for the records I would like to >> explain further what I meant, adding some examples. >> >> 1°) It is perfectly possible for a public IP to be routed differently >> depending on the ISP. Actually it is quite common when you have multiple >> provider to create "shortcuts" in the routing table. Let us say your >> main provider is ISP A who is officially routing your public IP, but you >> also have a privileged link with ISP B who will redirect any request >> made to your public IP to a private IP on your network (NAT or DMZ, your >> pick). >> All clients from ISP A will come to your public IP directly, all clients >> from ISP B will go through your private IP, but clients from ISP C ? >> Well it will depends on whether the route they elect goes to ISP A or >> ISP B first. >> > This has to do with BGP, transits and peerings, this is not really > relevant to your case of having 2 public IPs served by a box. > > But then, to answer your question: > > Let's say you have 2 public and 1 private IP on the box. > > Traffic to public IP A has a reply-to to the ISP's router in network A. > Traffic to public IP B has a reply-to to the ISP's router in network B. > Traffic to private IP C has a reply-to to the ISP's router in network C. No, the problem is the following : Traffic to public IP A going through ISP X goes to interface 1 configured with public IP A Traffic to public IP A going through ISP Y goes to interface 2 configured with private IP C And no this is not a fantasy config that can only be found once every millennium when following a unicorn. There are actually quite a lot of setups that use this trick to work. > I really can not see what your concern is, here. > > In fact, this is pretty much what we use here, we have RDR rules set up > on our firewalls to pass packets to our reverse proxies' private IPs. > > >> 2°) Even if there are two distinct public addresses A& B , what happens >> when two nated computers behind an public address Z try to connect to >> the server at the same time ? reply-to disturbs the normal flow of >> answers, in case two connections are attempted from the same distant >> address at the same moment (second SYN received before first SYN/ACK is >> sent ) what is supposed to happen. I think each connection will receive >> a proper SYN/ACK from the right interface, but I cannot find anything to >> confirm/infirm this. >> > What you need to take into account is that these are 2 different > connections each with an ID, a source IP (shared: Z) and a source port > (randomized). > > This will not be messed up by reply-to. That is what I thought, but I can't seem to find a proper doc on the nook and crannies of reply-to and route-to. And I am always a bit cautious about the idea of checking BSD code myself to get answers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 18:00:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081F61065696 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E269D8FC23 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4C48FE8048C; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:00:53 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110621180050.GA14136@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: mind maps and tutorials? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:00:54 -0000 i think there are only two mindmap programs in ports, vym and freemind. i must have spend a month trying to figure out freemind. last night i installed vym, and got pratically nowhere. if there is any tutorial on these two i can't find them. can any listmember give me a pointer to anything tutorial-like? gary ps: i have included BSD , linux. nothing. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 18:04:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14C01065672 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lokadamus@gmx.de) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 376228FC13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Jun 2011 18:04:55 -0000 Received: from c137228.adsl.hansenet.de (EHLO [213.39.137.228]) [213.39.137.228] by mail.gmx.net (mp066) with SMTP; 21 Jun 2011 20:04:55 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3333826 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/LB0FbEr/L+wnyJKHsXOoFyvXZxwfqlF/h/8Yany 4QPFNET3wPoXfw Message-ID: <4E00DD44.1070706@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:04:52 +0200 From: Lokadamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Traiano Welcome References: , <4DFF1A70.3030300@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Damien Fleuriot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:04:57 -0000 Your folder tmp is an own partition with just 1GB size. This partition is running full. Mon Jun 20 11:41:58 2011 849M /tmp Mon Jun 20 11:42:01 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% / When a partition is over 100% its use backup place for defect sektors. A partition is/ was created with 110% and 10% are for defect sectors. A partition should not grow over 100%. Am 20.06.2011 12:25, schrieb Traiano Welcome: > Hi Damien > > (apologies for top-posting, handicapped mail client). > > Actually, "/" (by /tmp) is filling up, and clearing very rapidly due to temp files being created and removed at high speed. We ca only see this > by doing: > > --- > #!/usr/bin/perl > while(1){ > $timestamp = localtime(); > system("echo $timestamp `df -h /tmp`>> /home/traianow/dfstats.txt"); > system("echo $timestamp `du -sh /tmp`>> /home/traianow/dfstats.txt"); > sleep 1; > } > --- > > > We're seeing this fast-changing disk space usage patterns like this, repeating every few tens of seconds: > > ---- > Mon Jun 20 11:41:54 2011 844M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:41:55 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% / > > Mon Jun 20 11:41:55 2011 849M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:41:56 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% / > > Mon Jun 20 11:41:56 2011 849M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:41:57 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% / > > Mon Jun 20 11:41:57 2011 849M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:41:58 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% / > > Mon Jun 20 11:41:58 2011 849M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:42:01 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% / > > Mon Jun 20 11:42:01 2011 849M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:42:02 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 141M 769M 15% / > > Mon Jun 20 11:42:02 2011 3.2M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:42:03 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 142M 768M 16% / > > Mon Jun 20 11:42:03 2011 4.8M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:42:04 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 145M 765M 16% / > > Mon Jun 20 11:42:04 2011 7.7M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:42:06 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 148M 762M 16% / > > Mon Jun 20 11:42:06 2011 10M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:42:07 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 150M 760M 16% / > ---- > > > What I'm trying to determine is what caused the change in temp file writing behaviour on the server, and if this is the kind behaviour likely on a heavily loaded box with cpu running at 100% (which this system is). i.e, do processes like cvs that write tmp files suddenly start writing more temp files when starved for cpu, leading to this kind of behaviour? > > > Thanks, > Traiano > > ________________________________________ > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] on behalf of Damien Fleuriot [ml@my.gd] > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 12:01 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > On 6/20/11 10:13 AM, Traiano Welcome wrote: >> Hi List >> >> We have a FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0 server running as a general unix shell server. Recently the system has been running at high load (average 8, and cpu 100%), and even more recently we've started seeing the following types of error when we do cvs commits on the system. The system has between 150 to 200 users on it during the day. >> >> --- >> "/: write failed, filesystem is full" >> Error: /tmp/file.commit.72971.tmp: No space left on device; /tmp/file.commit.72971.tmp: WARNING: FILE TRUNCATED >> --- >> >> The disks are definitely not full (this shows up in df -hi), both in terms of storage space and inode utilisation. However the cpu utilisation is permanently at 100%, and we're aware of which processes are causing the utilisation. My question is: Is it possible, under some circumstances that cpu starvation could result in the type of "filesystem is full" errors we're seeing above? >> >> Thanks in Advance, >> Traiano Welcome >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Are you really sure your file system is not full ? > > 1/ sync > 2/ df -h > 3/ df -i > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 18:23:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850901065676 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout018.mac.com (asmtpout018.mac.com [17.148.16.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D33F8FC1A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:09 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp018.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LN5002CBKEKAV10@asmtp018.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:23:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-21_08:2011-06-21, 2011-06-21, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106210167 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4E00DD44.1070706@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:23:08 -0700 Message-id: References: <4DFF1A70.3030300@my.gd> <4E00DD44.1070706@gmx.de> To: Lokadamus X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Damien Fleuriot , Traiano Welcome , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:09 -0000 On Jun 21, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Lokadamus wrote: > Mon Jun 20 11:41:58 2011 849M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:42:01 2011 Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% / > > When a partition is over 100% its use backup place for defect sektors. A partition is/ was created with 110% and 10% are for defect sectors. > A partition should not grow over 100%. While hard drives do contain spare sectors used to replacing defective ones, that's not what the 110% or 108% filesystem space is for-- this spare capacity is used by FFS to reduce fragmentation, but can also be written to by root at the cost of considerable performance. See "man tunefs". Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 18:42:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959481065673 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theultramage@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2695B8FC12 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so214350fxm.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jPgXTZtQlt/ZvMXbZwIC3PK8KXnAjPYtrejdERJOmjk=; b=lMf2XiLXfWJ1XZEbOFrGZo5neN1sHYMT4mUBWUsEzfBz+opkouaMwChIS6xeehF7Xl T0SoqV5oc4ZT9lo0w99aoPrvNHyy/y0vVHUGCTQb+TEXnFk1p4nAeycg85xntP/09HKS 9DEru85vg+6oWCcwYWw2s5XXv6GQEL780awKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=e0cTtFu9B/SIbC8pYJ3JZQCrdGLS50Be7Or9sz24xW+evkRGX0Py7j8bbUn7hAGynO BHGhQ2Aaq4tqaIJI2L2gqcuxsewyXbprsh3wpd+yA4mu6M4k6xyem+TkXMEds2nbgs19 8lJtQu8rbUQsRmn/RtbWqcH0ddU2Z8mYbeg2k= Received: by 10.223.100.15 with SMTP id w15mr67107fan.11.1308680195856; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.31] (chello089173013225.chello.sk [89.173.13.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v20sm1567270fai.31.2011.06.21.11.16.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E00E000.4040202@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:16:32 +0200 From: umage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ipfw nat inbound keep-state with net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:42:17 -0000 Hi, I'm an ipfw user that finally got the opportunity to set up NAT on an interface with a public IP. I was doing some multi-homing experiments using ipfw fwd combined with outbound ipfw nat - and since I needed to run both, and both immediately ended ipfw ruleset execution, I had to turn off net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass. This is where I discovered that with that setting turned off, my inbound NAT rule stopped working. Seems that with one-pass execution, the NAT rule also performs keep-state of some sort, the dynamic state table looks ok and everything works fine. But if I turn it off, and do my own "allow all in keep-state" after applying a static NAT rule on an inbound connection, I see that the state table has the remote IP on the left side and mine on the right side. I also see that my NAT setup breaks and my packets are sent to the internet with a 192.168.0.x source address. I'd like to ask if I'm doing anything wrong, or whether this is a bug. I checked the issue tracker, but found no relevant issues there. I also tried asking around, but it seems noone even uses ipfw anymore. Triggering the issue requires a modified kernel (ipfw forward and ipfw nat are not available by default), requires using ipfw nat (a relatively new thing) instead of the old natd daemon, and requires changing the value of a system setting. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 19:02:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DE91065698 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:02:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA0D8FC16 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so80591vws.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:02:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=IJLlZ9SnCFKCMVC3s+VvqraO7udpbZkUnMtT48GMi1k=; b=smKLmn9nMIJcdYXoBZEAgjR0SzVRJMX92q+ND+qpgeKDCFwFI4/D6dGMXAGmp5E/38 VTjMfbk2UE+piQOnRnUWZ8rYRv7yuQOISeYHC9p8wTcUFOocBZ1HgUEwDPHXAy+x6MQL xhC4L8fVFycfujirrfFBAakwdVKLxqzHhX7Rs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=RLggNLtiH9ZxyIVOLZ/XChkr9scB3k/AF0gneqrYpgXMSD22F9DxaMResnWWVWv4W+ aOsPECZfkQVOy+aJpsbchvMIjYCWfYF9JnzT0q0UNeigq6bzuhUjTROkkoM87uXEGi/U 0YLZaGo1USyAxmnnJPetMw110G3D3S7Vq62po= Received: by 10.52.76.4 with SMTP id g4mr5939045vdw.278.1308682926892; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c1sm2257823vdu.29.2011.06.21.12.02.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:02:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.4; i686; ; ) References: <201106202352.24196.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106211502.03276.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsimmons0@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:02:08 -0000 On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 07:44:16 AM Jerry wrote: > You have voiced a concern that has been voiced here several times in > the past. Unfortunately, this is an "open" list; ie, anyone subscribed > or not can post. This leads to the inevitable problems that plague this > forum. I have tried contacting the "postmaster" in the past also. Understood. Perhaps a mention that this list is open somewhere in the list's charter in the Handbook will at least let people know that junk on the list is something that can't be fixed. > It is my personal view that FreeBSD-Questions should be consolidated > into the chat forum. Chat forums are rarely moderated and tend to be > open to the general public. The "Questions" forum has deteriorated to > the level of SlashDot which has deteriorated to the level of a > cesspool. At least SlashDot openly admits that they allow (encourage) > "Anonymous Coward" to post. Meh. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 19:21:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AC310656D9 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5A68FC19 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.146] (helo=smtp15.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZ6Ch-0000mf-7B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:01:39 +0200 Received: from 524944af.cm-4-2b.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([82.73.68.175] helo=mail.nagual.nl) by smtp15.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZ6Cf-0004w5-Nm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:01:37 +0200 Received: from [192.168.11.34] (192.168.11.34) by westmark (Axigen) with (CAMELLIA256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPSA id 1A7130; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:05:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:01:44 +0200 From: Dick Hoogendijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; nl; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AxigenSpam-Level: 4 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1QZ6Cf-0004w5-Nm X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=0.324, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, TW_ZF 0.08) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: dick@nagual.nl X-Spam-Status: No Subject: FreeBSD ZFS system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:21:34 -0000 OK, it works very well. Installing a ZFS FreeBSD system with an ufs /boot is very very easy using the PC-BSD DVD. However, I have one question: I'd like to install FreeBSD (pcbsd) on a (zfs) mirror In OpenSolaris you can install directly to the zfs mirror, but how's this in this situation> After all, an UFS partitin is also created. How can I get the equivalent of an OpenSolaris mirrored install for a FreeBSD system? Hope I phrased the question clearly enough. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 20:16:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDA3106579C for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142648FC18 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so93429qwc.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.70.143 with SMTP id d15mr5307398qaj.171.1308687359313; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (ool-435056c7.dyn.optonline.net [67.80.86.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm1013882qcm.3.2011.06.21.13.15.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:15:54 -0400 From: Chris Brennan To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110621201553.GA29153@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: ZFS on Root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:16:00 -0000 OK, So I got ZFS installed on this new box, I had to loose two disks due to them being faulty, so I removed the IDE expansion card and booted from an SD card, all went well (according to this guide -> http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror). I adjusted the instructions there for only one disk though and will worry about adding the others to the zpool after the fact and the system has booted on it's own. The problem is this, the system starts to boot but then fails to find zfs:tank, I get dropped to the mountroot prompt with the following advise: Trying to mount root from zfs:tank ROOT MOUNT ERROR: If you have invalid mount options, reboot, and first try the following from the loader prompt: set vfs.root.mountfrom.options=rw and then remove invalid mount options from /etc/fstab. Loader variables: vfs.root.mountfrom=zfs:tank vfs.root.mountfrom.options=rw Manual root filesystem specifications: : Mount using filesystem eg: ufs:/dev/da0s1a eg: cd9660:/dev/acd0 This is equivalent to: mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0 / ? List valid disk boot devices Abort manual input mountroot> ? List of GEOM managed disk devices: ufsid/47ce961fb53808acd ufsid/47ce961fb53808ac ad6s1d ad6s1 ad7 ad6 ad5 gptit/f6af4300-9c1a-11e0-b38d-000ea68c8b0e gpt/disk0 gpt/f6a70bb3-9c1a-11e0-b38d-000ea68c8b0e gpt/swap0 gpt/f6a4de0c-9c1a-11e0-b8d-000ea68c8b0e ad4p3 ad4p2 ad3p1 ad4 <8 lines repeat from above> So what did I miss? I was able to follow the instructions without fail, the only instruction I had to do on my own was to create /tank/boot/zfs first to copy the cpool.cache over. All the other instructions worked with issue, the first time. This is the second time I've done this on this box in two days, the first time I made a mistake, so I scripted the instructions (rather crudely) to ensure I did things correctly, each portion of the script was modified to reflected how I wanted my system to be (mostly changing zpool as the pool name to tank. I can make the scripts available if someone would like to look at them. -- > Chris Brennan > -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 20:23:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5BC106568E for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:23:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8078FC1A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5LKNYbV041449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:23:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5LKNYbV041449 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1308687820; bh=S3KNnXWjJH6fQCyRDQh0cSYh78noZfCfZIotmzLkYgk=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E00FDC0.3090808@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2021=20Jun=202011=2021:23:28=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.18)=20Gecko/20110616=20Thunderbird/3.1.11|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20FreeBSD=2 0ZFS=20system|References:=20<4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl>|In-Reply- To:=20<4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|Ope nPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg =3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0 D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigFD701EC3C1FD0C3B9D6CCC2D"; b=TpeMcyawHnJ9C+gDSg8Khk/NSpYEMm5bO6FzVDenrGjVo5QaQbhsOWLja+x/jibK2 5pkNoRkuRstfpppNKMy9R67+K/z2GavF/hxyM6CjhOLlg0wiJkWlmcBuYAdGoboesX iSwV6QvaTg/rlM6+DXOJzIOpDt4M5jROZF+zH4q8= Message-ID: <4E00FDC0.3090808@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:23:28 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> In-Reply-To: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFD701EC3C1FD0C3B9D6CCC2D" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: FreeBSD ZFS system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:23:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFD701EC3C1FD0C3B9D6CCC2D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 21/06/2011 20:01, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > I'd like to install FreeBSD (pcbsd) on a (zfs) mirror > In OpenSolaris you can install directly to the zfs mirror, but how's > this in this situation> After all, an UFS partitin is also created. How= > can I get the equivalent of an OpenSolaris mirrored install for a > FreeBSD system? http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror Cheers Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigFD701EC3C1FD0C3B9D6CCC2D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4A/cYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxirgCfYXKA+odGg6EOU8IFht4yPdWR g8QAniUFsXtxdKEdPDcLDUEBXWksoJaV =HLRa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFD701EC3C1FD0C3B9D6CCC2D-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 21:27:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C4710656A8 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:27:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterbsd@engineer.com) Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBDA88FC12 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 746 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jun 2011 21:27:01 -0000 Received: from 67.206.163.100 by rms-us010.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:26:59 +0000 From: "Dieter BSD" Message-ID: <20110621212701.9550@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #74169980 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 7UpnJNN1zmCiIQbsTSElw99iamdhZATx Subject: FreeBSD reports incorrect amount of memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:27:03 -0000 Machine has been running FreeBSD/amd64 with 2 GiB of memory. I just installed a 2nd 2 GiB of memory for 4 GiB total. FreeBSD thinks it now has 32 GiB ??? FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #22: Tue Jun  7 12:37:21 PDT 2011 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ (1808.34-MHz K8-class CPU) real memory  = 34359738368 (32768 MB) avail memory = 3614437376 (3446 MB) vm.kmem_map_free: 3629518848 vm.kmem_map_size: 9322496 vm.kmem_size_scale: 1 vm.kmem_size_max: 329853485875 vm.kmem_size_min: 0 vm.kmem_size: 3638841344 hw.physmem: 3749433344 hw.usermem: 3095994368 hw.realmem: 3758030848    1 users    Load  0.00  0.00  0.00                  Jun 21 13:54 Mem:KB    REAL            VIRTUAL                       VN PAGER   SWAP PAGER        Tot   Share      Tot    Share    Free           in   out     in   out Act  272856   22968  1951804    52608  134640  count All  335752   24556 1075766k    65644          pages Proc:                                                            Interrupts  r   p   d   s   w   Csw  Trp  Sys  Int  Sof  Flt        cow    5113 total  1          76      8119   18 1754 3115  120             zfod        atkbd0 1                                                          ozfod       uart0 irq4 3.0%Sys   0.2%Intr  0.0%User  0.0%Nice 96.8%Idle        %ozfod    16 ohci1 siis |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |       daefr     5 ed0 ohci2+ ==                                                        prcfr       fwohci0++                                        13 dtbuf          totfr       fwohci1 bg Namei     Name-cache   Dir-cache    135416 desvn          react       ohci0+ 21   Calls    hits   %    hits   %      2926 numvn          pdwak       ehci0+ 22                                      1995 frevn          pdpgs  3094 nfe0 irq23                                                          intrn  1998 cpu0: time Disks   ad4   ad6   ad8  ad10  ada0  ada1  ada2    638292 wire KB/t   0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00     97364 act tps       0     0     0     0     0     0     0   2682588 inact MB/s   0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00     77168 cache %busy     0     0     0     0     0     0     0     57472 free                                                   376080 buf As far as I know, the mainboard (Tyan Tomcat k8e 2865) only supports 4 GiB. Is this going to cause some problem with FreeBSD trying to use memory that isn't there? How do I debug/fix this? Didn't find anything with google. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 22:01:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06C710656EA for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lavalamp@probikesllc.com) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 56F098FC14 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5783 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2011 21:34:59 -0000 Received: from 216.151.95.152 (HELO vger.digitalfreaks.org) (216.151.95.152) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2011 21:34:59 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 216.151.95.152 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Seklecki (Mobile)" X-X-Sender: lavalamp@vger.digitalfreaks.org To: Dieter BSD In-Reply-To: <20110621212701.9550@gmx.com> Message-ID: References: <20110621212701.9550@gmx.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD reports incorrect amount of memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:01:40 -0000 > trying to use memory that isn't there? How do I debug/fix this? Just curious, what was memtest86+ report? Can you install dmidecode(8) from /usr/ports/sysutils/dmidecode I'd be very suprised if GCC started misbehaving during compile ~BAS > Didn't find anything with google. > _______________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 22:03:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F04106568A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB19D8FC19 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5DCBD482.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.212.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5LM3kO2091977 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:03:47 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5LM3SQs090856 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:03:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5LM3NbI005159 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:03:28 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> To: FreeBSD From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:44:16 EDT." <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:03:23 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:03:49 -0000 Hi questions@ > Robert Simmons articulated: > > There > > seems to be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists > > that keep spamming it periodically, jerry@seibercom.net wrote: > Now, if this forum were conducted under the same restraints that the > Postfix forums(2) adhere to, the quality of advice given and basic > overall quality of this forum would increase immeasurably. The history of address explains why we are here: questions@ list introduced to provide stuck newbies a lifeline. (Advertised from /etc/motd after a new install. ) Created long after more lists such as hackers@ & current@ & some other list, But still created years ago now. Many old guard didn't subscribe questions@ many years, 'cos just newbie questions, too boring, no time etc. A few experienced conscientious people did sub. questions@ though & did lots of good working helping people. Years later, what was once a list for mostly simple newbies has become a lot more skilled (I was suprised when I re-sub'd after absence of years, a notable difference; Maybe people presumably learnt FreeBSD, but failed to move on to hackers@ & current@, & usb@ etc, is probably down to individual inertia). The traffic on questions@ has now become very heavy. Traffic too heavy in fact, & a mess of themes, Some traffic would be better posted to hackers@ or current@ or other more specialist lists http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo Posting less to questions@ & more to other lists would help: Some traffic deserves a wider, &/or more specialist readership on other lists; Some Subjects some don't need. Newbies questions could be clearer visible as still pending an answer, not drowned among a morass of more technical threads. > It is my personal view that FreeBSD-Questions should be consolidated > into the chat forum. Chat forums are rarely moderated and tend to be > open to the general public. The "Questions" forum has deteriorated to > the level of SlashDot which has deteriorated to the level of a > cesspool. At least SlashDot openly admits that they allow (encourage) > "Anonymous Coward" to post. I'm against merging chat@ & questions@, & don't believe it will happen Lists for different purposes, but even if questions@ people might come to a consensus in favour of merging, lots of people on other lists have a use for a seperate chat@, ie to demand of off remit people on their other lists "Take it to chat@" I think we should: make questions@ list writable only to subscribers (if not already); & Edit /usr/src/etc/motd eg: OLD If you still have a question or problem, please take the output of OLD `uname -a', along with any relevant error messages, and email it OLD as a question to the questions@FreeBSD.org mailing list. NEW If you still have a question or problem, please subscribe (free) via NEW http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/subscribe/freebsd-questions NEW then email Should we send in a send-pr to edit src/etc/motd ? Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 22:22:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9AD1065675 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:22:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8268FC1B for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (pD9FBF5D8.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.245.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5LMMM67092094; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:22:23 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5LMMChK090914; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:22:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5LMM2rf005331; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:22:08 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106212222.p5LMM2rf005331@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Daniel Staal" From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:44:13 EDT." <01f6c5132f6d45a13e0057882f6e4af3.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:22:02 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD paid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:22:25 -0000 "Daniel Staal" wrote: > > On Mon, June 20, 2011 3:35 am, Dennis Perisa wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > Are there paid support services available for FreeBSD? If provided by a > > 3rd party, can you name or even recommend a few? > > I haven't tried any, so I can't make recommendations, but the FreeBSD > website has a listing: > > http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/commercial.html http://www.berklix.com/consultants/ Globaly indexed by geofraphy, not by name, BTW Any who want to be added or changed: Edit HTML source of table, email me a diff -c Do not send other text or mouse copy of what browser displays. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 22:33:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C421065759 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:33:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nino80@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D167B8FC18 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pvg11 with SMTP id 11so202734pvg.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:33:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=O8IDmgE7IDa0It1GONQvZWrMJQsiNlgRt8MWTUqd3E8=; b=VTztTMt0bAkJ0modFgzLC8EMLjB0+ckrjnQXg22jqa6WgmX1rZ0oTrsVBeRpmE9mbT txfbQ2s9R3P9VsGfAy+j03wOVmeuTUHnXApWi9z+mvbFf0xPGalBDRrDN2drb7aJpeg7 d2cwYPMecummspeJp/g5DMwWSZJM0AGUqx7JU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=soxBFljc/4sDdXsZoWk0uAfUJJLZGTw95dWdPTxSk4ouq0+FL9SJXH82u0hCnLsSMv Pt9VgHKu2K7QT2gAVX3dBm4LSjAj5lU2WJJwlJG8EDeB5NV4O8qhe2jlKKk42IIEwEYP db0K46no0j+8dDY07lI1RXHxhBNRAaFdkdDZk= Received: by 10.142.151.2 with SMTP id y2mr681104wfd.222.1308693793102; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:03:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.218.14 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:02:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E00D47D.9040603@dichotomia.fr> References: <201106202107.p5KL7PW0091851@x.it.okstate.edu> <4DFFC61B.2080201@radel.com> <27899_1308609017_4DFFC9F9_27899_767_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C588@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <4DFFD0A7.8010806@radel.com> <4DFFE6B9.2020107@dichotomia.fr> <4E00756B.5050805@my.gd> <4E00C720.5010701@dichotomia.fr> <4E00CAA4.7080008@my.gd> <4E00D47D.9040603@dichotomia.fr> From: n j Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:02:53 +0200 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:33:24 -0000 I can't really say I understand the exact problem the OP has, but if it's anything similar to asymmetrical/source-based routing problems I was having some time ago, pf and reply-to is probably the best way to do it. However, I'd also like to point out setfib(1), as it seems no-one has brought it up yet, though there were statements like "there can be only one default gw". I was actually quite disappointed with lack of proper solution for this problem on FreeBSD as it is so simple to set up on Linux. Regards, -- Nino From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 22:42:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520801065728 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD818FC1A for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (pD9FBFB94.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.251.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5LMfqgx092171; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:41:53 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5LMfg9D090963; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:41:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5LMfArw005431; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:41:15 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106212241.p5LMfArw005431@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Warren Block From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:51:14 MDT." Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:41:10 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Unga , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to connect a projector to a FreeBSD laptop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:42:01 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: Warren Block > Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:51:14 -0600 (MDT) > Message-id: Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:32:55 -0700 (PDT), Unga wrote: > >> > >> Could somebody please highlight to me how to successfully connect > >> a projector and what configurations needs to be done? > > > > You did correctly connect the projector before starting the > > machine. On most laptops you'll find a "CRT/LCD" key (usually > > among the PF keys on top) you need to press with the "Fn" key. > > This will cycle through three modes: LCD only -> LCD and CRT -> > > CRT only. Press this once or twice, and you should get output > > on the projector. > > If that doesn't work, there's also xrandr. Hi Unga etc. You might not have a FreeBSD problem as such, apart from what Polytropon & Warren Bloc suggest, also remember your projector may not handle the resolution your screen is configured to. Here's a true tale: I was giving a talk, called Free Alternatives To Microsoft http://www.berklix.com/free/talk/faraday/ Connected laptop All black ! Good natured audience heckled "So how does Micsosoft compare ?" Rebooted to Microsoft Still black ! Relief ! Duff hardware ! ... Der Hang on ... Both my MS-Win & My FreeBSD-X11 were in in 1600 x 1200 pixel mode. The projector couldn't handle beyond 800 or 1024 So drop out of X Windows, (Ctl + Alt + F1 ) See projector now works wth an 80 x 24 plain text screen Go back to X Ctl + Alt + Fsomething ) Retune your X config to a lower resolution the projector will accept. (I'll leave that for someone else to explain how please, tends to vary) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 23:05:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC091065705 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F8F8FC15 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5LN56M9051629 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:05:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:05:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106212305.p5LN56M9051629@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4E00DD44.1070706@gmx.de> Subject: Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:05:14 -0000 "Those who think they know it all are really annoying to those of us who do." > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:04:52 +0200 > From: Lokadamus > > Your folder tmp is an own partition with just 1GB size. FALSE TO FACT. You can run df(1), giving it _any_ fileneme -- whether OR NOT it is a directory -- and it will report the statistics for the underlying filesystem. Proof: %df -H /COPYRIGHT Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/idad0s1a 65M 35M 24M 59% / %ls -l /COPYRIGHT -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 6197 May 1 2009 COPYRIGHT For this user, /tmp is part of the / filesystem, as is CLEARLY shown by the 'Mounted on' field in the df output, below. The filesystem on 'ard0s1a', =mounted=as='/'=, _is_ roughly 1 gig in size. The filesystem "overhead" -- primarily the space reserved for (assuming a UFS filesystem) the FIXED SIZE (and pre-allocated) 'inode table', the 'backup superblocks', and the cylinder-group metadata -- accounts for the filesysem 'size' of 989M. Of that 989M, 8% has been set 'reserved' for superuser-only use. Programs running, with the EUID of 0 (the superuser), were creating the problematic /tmp files, thus the negative 'Avail' number, and the 'used' space being shown as over 100% in the 'Capacity' column. > Mon Jun 20 11:41:58 2011 849M /tmp > Mon Jun 20 11:42:01 2011 > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >/dev/amrd0s1a 989M 987M -76M 108% / > > When a partition is over 100% its use backup place for defect sektors. A > partition is/was created with 110% and 10% are for defect sectors. FALSE TO FACT. When 'spare' sectors are allocated for potential defective sector substitution, they are _not_ included in the available space/capacity of a filesystem. With most _modern_ disks, bad-sector substitution is handled by the _disk_hardware_itself_, *invisibly* to the host computer hardware, *or* operating system. *IF* spare sectors are allocated the O/S for bad-sector management, this is done by the 'low level format' utiltity, before any sort of filesystem, _if_any_, is created. i.e. there =will= be spares, for bad-sector substitution, even on the portion of a disk used as a 'swap' partition, despite there being no filesystem there. The 'reserved' space, "traditionally" the last 10% -- although in this case of the OP's drive it was _8%_ -- of the filesystem capacity, is set for the _exclusive use_ of the superuser, for regular filesystem activity (to wit, writing files to it). The reasn for this 'reserved space' is so that a 'regular user' with runaway disk usage, will _not_ be able to cause _system_ processes to fail for lack of disk space. In the OP's case, it _was_ a' superuser process' that was writeing to /tmp, so that process failed _only_ when the space on the filesystem was _TOTALLY_ exhausted, instead of when usage reached '100%' of the file system space available to 'regular users'. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 21 23:34:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C69E1065675 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:34:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B7D8FC18 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5LNYloa051794; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:34:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:34:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106212334.p5LNYloa051794@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, nino80@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Cc: Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:34:52 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 21 17:34:22 2011 > From: n j > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:02:53 +0200 > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System > > I can't really say I understand the exact problem the OP has, As _I_ understand it, one of two things are going on: a) he has servers LIVING BEHIND _NAT_ in one address-space, and directly addressable in a 2nd address-space. Thus if packets come 'in' on one interface, and go 'out' on the other interface, they hit the external Internet with a _different_ 'source address' than the _external_ 'destination address' on the packets that they are a 'reply' to. b) the severs have addresses on two separate publicly-addressable networks, the only routing information those machines have is 1) a route for each directly connected network, and 2) a single 'default' route. Thus all 'reply' packets for connections from a _non-directly-conntected_ network go 'out' the default route, _regardless_ of which network they came in on. This is classical 'asymmetric' routing, and *should* "just work", *UNLESS* there are 'anti-spoofing' filters "somewhere" along the 'default' route. Filters that *DO*NOT*KNOW* that they _should_ pass packets with 'source addresses' of that 2nd network. Issue a) is resolvable *ONLY* with 'policy based routing' within the server, based on outgoing packet _source_addreess_ Issue b) is resolvable _either_ by policy based routing, as above, *OR* by finding -where- along the 'default' path the anti-spoofing rules are, and updating them to allow passage of the 'asymmetric' packets. Applying the appropriate policy based routing _is_ fairly simple, using 'pf', per the rules that others have provided. *IF* 'situation b)', above, applies, the overhead of 'pf' can be eliminated by updating the anti-spoofing rules in the default outbound path. Of course, this solution requires the co-operation of the admins at the point along the default route where those anti-spoofing rules are being applied. It is _not_ clear whether or not the OP is part of that group. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 00:16:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A6B1065740 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:16:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@snap.net.nz) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DFB8FC19 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:16:14 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjEIAOczAU7KfG1Y/2dsb2JhbABUmDOOVslehisEkWiQHw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,403,1304251200"; d="scan'208";a="61656653" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with ESMTP; 22 Jun 2011 12:16:12 +1200 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.88 Received: from akllappt.local (88.109.124.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.124.109.88]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B601A1FC22 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:16:12 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <4E01344B.4020902@snap.net.nz> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:16:11 +1200 From: Peter Toth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110421 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110621201553.GA29153@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20110621201553.GA29153@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ZFS on Root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:16:15 -0000 On 06/22/11 08:15, Chris Brennan wrote: > OK, So I got ZFS installed on this new box, I had to loose two disks due > to them being faulty, so I removed the IDE expansion card and booted > from an SD card, all went well (according to this guide -> > http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror). I adjusted the > instructions there for only one disk though and will worry about adding > the others to the zpool after the fact and the system has booted on it's > own. > > The problem is this, the system starts to boot but then fails to find > zfs:tank, I get dropped to the mountroot prompt with the following > advise: > > Trying to mount root from zfs:tank > ROOT MOUNT ERROR: > If you have invalid mount options, reboot, and first try the following > from the loader prompt: > > set vfs.root.mountfrom.options=rw > > and then remove invalid mount options from /etc/fstab. > > Loader variables: > vfs.root.mountfrom=zfs:tank > vfs.root.mountfrom.options=rw > > Manual root filesystem specifications: > : Mount using filesystem > eg: ufs:/dev/da0s1a > eg: cd9660:/dev/acd0 > This is equivalent to: mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0 / > > ? List valid disk boot devices > Abort manual input > > mountroot> ? > > List of GEOM managed disk devices: > ufsid/47ce961fb53808acd ufsid/47ce961fb53808ac ad6s1d ad6s1 ad7 ad6 > ad5 gptit/f6af4300-9c1a-11e0-b38d-000ea68c8b0e gpt/disk0 > gpt/f6a70bb3-9c1a-11e0-b38d-000ea68c8b0e gpt/swap0 > gpt/f6a4de0c-9c1a-11e0-b8d-000ea68c8b0e ad4p3 ad4p2 ad3p1 ad4 > > > <8 lines repeat from above> > > So what did I miss? I was able to follow the instructions without fail, > the only instruction I had to do on my own was to create /tank/boot/zfs > first to copy the cpool.cache over. All the other instructions worked > with issue, the first time. This is the second time I've done this on > this box in two days, the first time I made a mistake, so I scripted the > instructions (rather crudely) to ensure I did things correctly, each > portion of the script was modified to reflected how I wanted my system > to be (mostly changing zpool as the pool name to tank. I can make the > scripts available if someone would like to look at them. Did you set the "bootfs" property on your root pool? Example: "zpool set bootfs=tank/root tank" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 00:23:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9DA10656FA for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6528FC08 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so197917qwc.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.107.21 with SMTP id z21mr19531qco.187.1308702228382; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (ool-435056c7.dyn.optonline.net [67.80.86.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e18sm25152qcs.5.2011.06.21.17.23.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:23:43 -0400 From: Chris Brennan To: Peter Toth Message-ID: <20110622002342.GA29666@gmail.com> References: <20110621201553.GA29153@gmail.com> <4E01344B.4020902@snap.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E01344B.4020902@snap.net.nz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS on Root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:23:49 -0000 * Peter Toth [2011-06-22 12:16:11 +1200]: > Did you set the "bootfs" property on your root pool? Example: "zpool set > bootfs=tank/root tank" Well, the wiki I linked has the following: Fixit# mkdir /boot/zfs Fixit# zpool create zroot mirror /dev/gpt/disk0 /dev/gpt/disk1 Fixit# zpool set bootfs=zroot zroot I subsequently modified that as follows: Fixit# mkdir /boot/zfs Fixit# zpool create tank /dev/gpt/disk0 Fixit# zpool set bootfs=tank tank So was the wiki mistake and I do indeed need to "zpool set bootfs=tank/root tank instead? -- > Chris Brennan > -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 00:47:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89496106567E for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F978FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38so213840qyk.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.196.67 with SMTP id ef3mr37080qab.157.1308703628312; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (ool-435056c7.dyn.optonline.net [67.80.86.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u15sm32417qcq.24.2011.06.21.17.47.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:47:04 -0400 From: Chris Brennan To: Peter Toth Message-ID: <20110622004535.GA29715@gmail.com> References: <20110621201553.GA29153@gmail.com> <4E01344B.4020902@snap.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E01344B.4020902@snap.net.nz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS on Root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:47:09 -0000 * Peter Toth [2011-06-22 12:16:11 +1200]: > Did you set the "bootfs" property on your root pool? Example: "zpool set > bootfs=tank/root tank" OK, I booted back to the livefs memostick, imported my zpool (tank) and zpool promptly tells me the following Fixit# zpool set bootfs=tank/root tank cannot set property for 'tank': no such pool or dataset. Fixit But ... there is! It was a great tip and a worthy try. But it didn't work, got any more idea's? -- > Chris Brennan > -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 02:05:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFC510656AD for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:05:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterbsd@engineer.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D230D8FC0A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13956 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jun 2011 02:05:17 -0000 Received: from 67.206.164.224 by rms-us005.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:05:14 +0000 From: "Dieter BSD" Message-ID: <20110622020516.320560@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #74169980 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 7ns0f00Vy1u0cEqNWWwn+wpsZ2hlNwpm Subject: Re: FreeBSD reports incorrect amount of memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:05:18 -0000 # dmidecode 2.11 SMBIOS 2.2 present. Handle 0x0005, DMI type 5, 24 bytes Memory Controller Information        Error Detecting Method: 64-bit ECC        Error Correcting Capabilities:                None        Supported Interleave: One-way Interleave        Current Interleave: One-way Interleave        Maximum Memory Module Size: 4096 MB        Maximum Total Memory Size: 16384 MB        Supported Speeds:                70 ns                60 ns                50 ns        Supported Memory Types:                Standard                DIMM        Memory Module Voltage: 2.9 V        Associated Memory Slots: 4                0x0006                0x0007                0x0008                0x0009        Enabled Error Correcting Capabilities: None Handle 0x0006, DMI type 6, 12 bytes Memory Module Information        Socket Designation: A0        Bank Connections: 0 1        Current Speed: 5 ns        Type: Unknown EDO        Installed Size: 8192 MB (Double-bank Connection)        Enabled Size: 8192 MB (Double-bank Connection)        Error Status: OK Handle 0x0007, DMI type 6, 12 bytes Memory Module Information        Socket Designation: A1        Bank Connections: 2 3        Current Speed: 5 ns        Type: Unknown EDO        Installed Size: 8192 MB (Double-bank Connection)        Enabled Size: 8192 MB (Double-bank Connection)        Error Status: OK Handle 0x0008, DMI type 6, 12 bytes Memory Module Information        Socket Designation: A2        Bank Connections: 4 5        Current Speed: 5 ns        Type: Unknown EDO        Installed Size: 8192 MB (Double-bank Connection)        Enabled Size: 8192 MB (Double-bank Connection)        Error Status: OK Handle 0x0009, DMI type 6, 12 bytes Memory Module Information        Socket Designation: A3        Bank Connections: 6 7        Current Speed: 5 ns        Type: Unknown EDO        Installed Size: 8192 MB (Double-bank Connection)        Enabled Size: 8192 MB (Double-bank Connection)        Error Status: OK Handle 0x001B, DMI type 16, 15 bytes Physical Memory Array        Location: System Board Or Motherboard        Use: System Memory        Error Correction Type: None        Maximum Capacity: 16 GB        Error Information Handle: Not Provided        Number Of Devices: 4 Handle 0x001C, DMI type 17, 21 bytes Memory Device        Array Handle: 0x001B        Error Information Handle: Not Provided        Total Width: 64 bits        Data Width: 64 bits        Size: 8192 MB        Form Factor: DIMM        Set: None        Locator: A0        Bank Locator: Bank0/1        Type: Unknown        Type Detail: None Handle 0x001D, DMI type 17, 21 bytes Memory Device        Array Handle: 0x001B        Error Information Handle: Not Provided        Total Width: 64 bits        Data Width: 64 bits        Size: 8192 MB        Form Factor: DIMM        Set: None        Locator: A1        Bank Locator: Bank2/3        Type: Unknown        Type Detail: None Handle 0x001E, DMI type 17, 21 bytes Memory Device        Array Handle: 0x001B        Error Information Handle: Not Provided        Total Width: 64 bits        Data Width: 64 bits        Size: 8192 MB        Form Factor: DIMM        Set: None        Locator: A2        Bank Locator: Bank4/5        Type: Unknown        Type Detail: None Handle 0x001F, DMI type 17, 21 bytes Memory Device        Array Handle: 0x001B        Error Information Handle: Not Provided        Total Width: 64 bits        Data Width: 64 bits        Size: 8192 MB        Form Factor: DIMM        Set: None        Locator: A3        Bank Locator: Bank6/7        Type: Unknown        Type Detail: None Assuming that dmidecode isn't buggy, the firmware is internally inconsistant, and very wrong.  Not a surprise, the firmware is crap.  Surely the kernel doesn't just believe whatever random garbage the firmware says? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 02:13:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D2810657A3 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3408FC1E for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yic13 with SMTP id 13so206941yic.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:13:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S8fXVh0cFETfTNks4UXDDZf6WnAWcmTwMMhhX9VuVWg=; b=I7lPmRDdxaP2fZBOVKwFfCVjTc0Srawln8c+Vw2iqzuJ/1S09U7SVmzzhW1+CLtAEY 1kxVw58gR/zTvkS5ZSknZcEjKVjYXaBItX0DIsvMYuFOqOAaQzNlLjDSL36hCCU/vv4b XiuNNi/SiASs97Vr0Y6vR8F0EvhjAqJzqvmMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mZavQud7D/BwsYOwljbo18MBQUKTJXMJ96cnn67Ddi3Xm5h9YtW3L6E2Qi/Es6fg88 sOlR2AybVxqLLCmjcW2gowWfAE2VpBhPuhcTmiQzsltqu78QDW0dy842dKpPOvtqPC2E sfleNj6Agk1UKGn1UuzXKc9jDDLhHAw0iNXf8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.205.36 with SMTP id h36mr123883anq.74.1308708800841; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.11.20 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:13:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:13:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:13:22 -0000 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > I'm against merging chat@ & questions@, & don't believe it will happen > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Lists for different purposes, but even if questions@ peopl= e > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0might come to a consensus in favour of merging, lots of > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0people on other lists have a use for a seperate chat@, ie > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0to demand of off remit people on their other lists "Take > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0it to chat@" > > I think we should: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0make questions@ list writable only to subscribers (if not = already); & > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Edit /usr/src/etc/motd =A0eg: > OLD =A0 =A0 If you still have a question or problem, please take the outp= ut of > OLD =A0 =A0 `uname -a', along with any relevant error messages, and email= it > OLD =A0 =A0 as a question to the questions@FreeBSD.org mailing list. > > NEW =A0 =A0 If you still have a question or problem, please subscribe (fr= ee) via > NEW =A0 =A0 http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/subscribe/freebsd-questions > NEW =A0 =A0 then email > > Should we send in a send-pr to edit src/etc/motd ? PR it. Sounds good. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 02:36:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B419C106573F for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FBF8FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5M2alhW010165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5M2alJh010164; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA23494; Tue, 21 Jun 11 19:32:09 PDT Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:31:41 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: dieterbsd@engineer.com Message-Id: <4e01540d.67/OLosOxdvOzi/z%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20110621212701.9550@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <20110621212701.9550@gmx.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD reports incorrect amount of memory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:36:50 -0000 "Dieter BSD" wrote: > Machine has been running FreeBSD/amd64 with 2 GiB of memory. > I just installed a 2nd 2 GiB of memory for 4 GiB total. > FreeBSD thinks it now has 32 GiB ??? > > FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #22: Tue Jun ??7 12:37:21 PDT 2011 > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ (1808.34-MHz K8-class CPU) > real memory ??= 34359738368 (32768 MB) > avail memory = 3614437376 (3446 MB) It seems to be only the "real memory" value, and not the "avail memory", that's out of touch with reality. Wild guess dept: Your new 2 GiB has gotten mapped as [30,32) GiB rather than as [2,4) GiB, and "real memory" is reporting the first unpopulated address above the highest installed range. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 02:58:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1CC10656EA for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:58:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@penx.com) Received: from Elmer.dco.penx.com (elmer.dco.penx.com [174.46.214.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2108FC0C for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Elmer.dco.penx.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5M2LkeJ009783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@penx.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:21:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Dennis Glatting X-X-Sender: dennisg@Elmer.dco.penx.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Embedding a RCS token in uname -i X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:58:57 -0000 I have kernel configuration files (e.g., a custom GENERIC) under RCS. For example: ============== # $Revision: 1.1$ cpu HAMMER ident GENERIC ============== I want to add that "1.1" to the end of GENERIC such that it becomes: ============== # $Revision: 1.1$ cpu HAMMER ident GENERIC-1.1 ============= Therefore, a uname -i becomes: btw> uname -i GENERIC-1.1 My goal is to provide a mechanism where I can identify that kernels built on a group of machines are running the same kernel built from a configuration under RCS. How can I customized the current config and build mechanisms to accomplish this? Is there some other way to accomplish this? Is it a dumb idea? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 03:08:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B85106578F for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47858FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so250176qwc.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:08:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=auRO5SRTQV/gG2I22K5CxIGoppNlQGOzSP2obwNiZxE=; b=EL/obmt6ow3WbH/38cxyYdcjzwTg22rI6Zu/Srltrj8zxnjkdRCdoItRCq9dyTYf88 SEFdQ4Bj2WCzv5gBGhaSK2g4rj+3SBv9m0e6GUq+zSAXi/iq1MCnZ295aw+fklmTy+co mdsS1cMAta+lhGJPSKu5jalCfS1ee/Bps9lFA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=wLTH1HLaJeZLADtL7U2ByhiLMSfSXtVom72ERkWRkFZJvqzTob0e56fbE/Fk0BEp9b 5FHpq+ZkcQ1zR2wj2JPyvwqrpOlxlU6lbJwzYKmKt1jYUM6qaiIxzrEyaIFeUvoUOQCm LnAwfV/cLvrg5AGc9AM7f6qa7xbIgjEwYWi2Q= Received: by 10.229.172.234 with SMTP id m42mr77548qcz.272.1308712131639; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r33sm114476qcs.18.2011.06.21.20.08.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:08:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:08:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.4; i686; ; ) References: <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106212308.48168.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsimmons0@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:08:53 -0000 On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 06:03:23 PM Julian H. Stacey wrote: > The traffic on questions@ has now become very heavy. > > Traffic too heavy in fact, & a mess of themes, > Some traffic would be better posted to hackers@ or > current@ or other more specialist lists Also, one place that is lower traffic, nearly spam free, and has consistently decent answers is USENET comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and it's not even official. However, I would assume this is due to the fact that September has permanently ended and will never return to USENET, so only serious users can be found lurking there. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 06:31:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F8810656D8 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:31:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB548FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:31:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5M6VPZr070098; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5M6VON2070095; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:31:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Robert Simmons In-Reply-To: <201106212308.48168.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> <201106212308.48168.rsimmons0@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:31:26 -0000 On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Robert Simmons wrote: > On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 06:03:23 PM Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> The traffic on questions@ has now become very heavy. >> >> Traffic too heavy in fact, & a mess of themes, >> Some traffic would be better posted to hackers@ or >> current@ or other more specialist lists > > Also, one place that is lower traffic, nearly spam free, and has consistently > decent answers is USENET comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and it's not even official. > However, I would assume this is due to the fact that September has permanently > ended and will never return to USENET, so only serious users can be found > lurking there. forums.freebsd.org doesn't require a news server and is far more active. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 07:00:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCB810657D5 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:00:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from hp9.esiee.fr (hp9.esiee.fr [147.215.1.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C9B8FC0C for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by hp9.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190DA14E96F0 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:58:48 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.3.2 hp9.esiee.fr 190DA14E96F0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=esiee.fr; s=MAILOUT; t=1308725928; bh=URv08p5HF0eOHEdahKZ16UhgDkXfRvABih9ykSzHTaU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=xmitgirL2n1DsOMMuRL6gixHfCQ4m9hcGyVwysjqG/h2K3x+zPY/jyhRu1TIvlOVY J2niwgJNvrn82IALas6OxPLZzt0r6ct5R1Ov+LEqfXF+JKJ+B8JIHncRj6FHvdafSY foWGfSJFUBWJRSVB1mCD8X5s3+45BT6109UM6erw= Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VAMS.dummy (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A58C3C1F2A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [147.215.1.21] (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDC93C1F1E for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:59:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E0192F1.1050203@esiee.fr> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:00:01 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> <201106212308.48168.rsimmons0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:00:02 -0000 On 06/22/2011 08:31 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Robert Simmons wrote: > >> On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 06:03:23 PM Julian H. Stacey wrote: >>> The traffic on questions@ has now become very heavy. >>> >>> Traffic too heavy in fact, & a mess of themes, >>> Some traffic would be better posted to hackers@ or >>> current@ or other more specialist lists >> >> Also, one place that is lower traffic, nearly spam free, and has >> consistently >> decent answers is USENET comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and it's not even >> official. >> However, I would assume this is due to the fact that September has >> permanently >> ended and will never return to USENET, so only serious users can be >> found >> lurking there. > > forums.freebsd.org doesn't require a news server and is far more active. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" hello If anyone knows some free USENET servers I would be happy to know it in France it becomes VERY hard to find one and I would like to setup one BUT I need some feeders ! I don't care about alt.* but we need the big 8 *comp.* * *humanities.* * *misc.* * *news.* * *rec.* * *sci.* ** soc.* * *talk.* * Thanks and sorry for that offlist question ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 07:17:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3874B106571A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:17:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915238FC25 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5M7GrNe020578; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:16:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4E0196E4.2060900@bah.homeip.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:16:52 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin McCormick References: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:17:00 -0000 2011-06-21 13:28, Martin McCormick skrev: > Here is what the issue is right now. The remote campus > in question has been on number space that was part of our Class > B network. They got a block of subnets for their DNS's and > campus enterprises and work stations. We secured them their own > number space and they are migrating from their portion of our > network to their new network and both nets are presented > routable from the rest of the world. > > If you do a whois query for their domain, you get the > address on our network of their primary DNS. When one updates > the whois data, there is a lag of some hours until new queries > start going to the new address of their primary DNS. In the mean > time, we don't really care but we would like for the new > interface for the primary to be reachable so that the minute the > information changes, we're answering lookups. After that point, > we will permanently take down the old interface address on our > network and probably reboot with the normal configuration now > being the new IP address. > > The problem I have, probably due to a misunderstanding > of what I need to do, is easy to describe. > > The defaultrouter statement in rc.conf or > route add default x.x.x.x Have you tried route add netA netB or route add netB netA > from the command line sets an interface to know that packets > whose destinations or sources that are outside the subnet go to > that default gateway. > > When I set up the secondary interface, I have not been > able to come up with a statement or statements that tell fxp1 > that it's default router is y.y.y.y so you can't ever reach it > from outside the new subnet. > > Once traffic ever gets in to the system, it will > probably stay together based on the interface where it came > from, but it won't have to do it for hopefully more than a few > hours. > > I have tried both a second physical connection and an > alias and have ended up with the same behavior each time. Since > we have the second NIC active, I prefer to use it if I can ever > get it to use its router just like the primary interface does. > > Right now, I can get on to our secondary DNS which is in > the same subnet as the new address for the primary and log right > in to the primary through the new interface. From anywhere else > on the Earth, that new address is as dead as a doornail. > > I certainly appreciate every posting so far as routing > is one of the thorniest issues one can encounter in networking > so the more one is aware of, the less head-scratching and > frustration there is. > > Martin McCormick > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 07:44:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAC310657B9 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baerks@t-online.de) Received: from mailout07.t-online.de (mailout07.t-online.de [194.25.134.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBBA8FC0A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de (fwd02.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout07.t-online.de with smtp id 1QZHrB-0002O5-IM; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:28:13 +0200 Received: from macbook.catfish.ddns.org (Xpj2DcZ-whwkhvUaq9OqiX7IAzV4OFazlNQMxIHbb57+MCdDK4KTFC-UEzAecTEwS7@[91.6.204.226]) by fwd02.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1QZHr3-1BQ3c00; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:28:05 +0200 Message-Id: <9533312F-E1BC-4AE9-8ED9-4868EF421242@t-online.de> From: Sabine Baer To: Frank Bonnet In-Reply-To: <4E0192F1.1050203@esiee.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:28:04 +0200 References: <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> <201106212308.48168.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <4E0192F1.1050203@esiee.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ID: Xpj2DcZ-whwkhvUaq9OqiX7IAzV4OFazlNQMxIHbb57+MCdDK4KTFC-UEzAecTEwS7 X-TOI-MSGID: 429456c7-2878-4282-b861-1944122780f9 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Usenet Server (was: freebsd list admins?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:44:06 -0000 On 22.06.2011, at 09:00, Frank Bonnet wrote: > > > If anyone knows some free USENET servers I would be happy to know it > in France it becomes VERY hard to find one and I would like to setup > one > BUT I need some feeders ! > I don't care about alt.* but we need the big 8 [...] Not absolutely 'free', but a very well maintained one: news.individual.de http://www.individual.net/ It's the newsserver of the Freie Universitaet (Free University) Berlin It costs 10,00 EUR per annum. Those are private and free and of good reputation: http://www.albasani.net/index.html.en http://news.solani.org/policy/ > Thanks and sorry for that offlist question ... If the death of usenet could be delayed... Sabine From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 07:45:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E617F10657FA for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D198FC1A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so535124wyb.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.55.67 with SMTP id t3mr354778wbg.90.1308728750454; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id en1sm218742wbb.35.2011.06.22.00.45.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E019DAD.2070608@my.gd> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:45:49 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> <4E0196E4.2060900@bah.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <4E0196E4.2060900@bah.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:45:52 -0000 On 6/22/11 9:16 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2011-06-21 13:28, Martin McCormick skrev: >> Here is what the issue is right now. The remote campus >> in question has been on number space that was part of our Class >> B network. They got a block of subnets for their DNS's and >> campus enterprises and work stations. We secured them their own >> number space and they are migrating from their portion of our >> network to their new network and both nets are presented >> routable from the rest of the world. >> >> If you do a whois query for their domain, you get the >> address on our network of their primary DNS. When one updates >> the whois data, there is a lag of some hours until new queries >> start going to the new address of their primary DNS. In the mean >> time, we don't really care but we would like for the new >> interface for the primary to be reachable so that the minute the >> information changes, we're answering lookups. After that point, >> we will permanently take down the old interface address on our >> network and probably reboot with the normal configuration now >> being the new IP address. >> >> The problem I have, probably due to a misunderstanding >> of what I need to do, is easy to describe. >> >> The defaultrouter statement in rc.conf or > >> route add default x.x.x.x > > Have you tried route add netA netB or route add netB netA > > No offense but please do not give random, untested advice. What you just wrote reads as: - if you want to go to network A, do that through network B - if you want to go to network B, do that through network A Now can you see some kind of a loop forming here ? Solutions to the OP's problem have been given already: - PF's "reply-to" option has been discussed at length. - FreeBSD's own setfib was also briefly discussed Note this requires a kernel option override as seen here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=888 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 08:14:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BB51065704 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:14:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB4B8FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5M8Enq2021526; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:14:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4E01A478.3020101@bah.homeip.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:14:48 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> <4E0196E4.2060900@bah.homeip.net> <4E019DAD.2070608@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4E019DAD.2070608@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:14:57 -0000 2011-06-22 09:45, Damien Fleuriot skrev: > On 6/22/11 9:16 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> 2011-06-21 13:28, Martin McCormick skrev: >>> Here is what the issue is right now. The remote campus >>> in question has been on number space that was part of our Class >>> B network. They got a block of subnets for their DNS's and >>> campus enterprises and work stations. We secured them their own >>> number space and they are migrating from their portion of our >>> network to their new network and both nets are presented >>> routable from the rest of the world. >>> >>> If you do a whois query for their domain, you get the >>> address on our network of their primary DNS. When one updates >>> the whois data, there is a lag of some hours until new queries >>> start going to the new address of their primary DNS. In the mean >>> time, we don't really care but we would like for the new >>> interface for the primary to be reachable so that the minute the >>> information changes, we're answering lookups. After that point, >>> we will permanently take down the old interface address on our >>> network and probably reboot with the normal configuration now >>> being the new IP address. >>> >>> The problem I have, probably due to a misunderstanding >>> of what I need to do, is easy to describe. >>> >>> The defaultrouter statement in rc.conf or >> >>> route add default x.x.x.x >> >> Have you tried route add netA netB or route add netB netA >> >> > > No offense but please do not give random, untested advice. No offense, but it is tested. route add 192.0.0.192 10.0.0.3 Works like a charm. > What you just wrote reads as: > - if you want to go to network A, do that through network B > - if you want to go to network B, do that through network A And the OP whanted that. > Now can you see some kind of a loop forming here ? No, not really. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 08:45:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A536F1065701 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431B38FC15 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so576483wyb.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.178.135 with SMTP id bm7mr432496wbb.52.1308732330731; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gb6sm255466wbb.51.2011.06.22.01.45.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E01ABA7.9020808@my.gd> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:45:27 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernt Hansson References: <201106211128.p5LBSvCe095130@x.it.okstate.edu> <4E0196E4.2060900@bah.homeip.net> <4E019DAD.2070608@my.gd> <4E01A478.3020101@bah.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <4E01A478.3020101@bah.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two Networks on one System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:45:32 -0000 On 6/22/11 10:14 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2011-06-22 09:45, Damien Fleuriot skrev: >> On 6/22/11 9:16 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: >>> >>> Have you tried route add netA netB or route add netB netA >>> >>> >> >> No offense but please do not give random, untested advice. > > No offense, but it is tested. > > route add 192.0.0.192 10.0.0.3 > Works like a charm. > Sure does, however this is not what the OP wants. >> What you just wrote reads as: >> - if you want to go to network A, do that through network B >> - if you want to go to network B, do that through network A > > And the OP whanted that. > No he wants 2 public IPs in 2 different subnets to be reachable and working for internet clients. You won't be able to do it with conventional means like "route add". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 09:20:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E1F106571B for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6121C8FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5M9KIBW056149; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 04:20:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 04:20:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106220920.p5M9KIBW056149@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: f.bonnet@esiee.fr, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4E0192F1.1050203@esiee.fr> Cc: Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:20:29 -0000 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:00:01 +0200 > From: Frank Bonnet > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? > > hello > > If anyone knows some free USENET servers I would be happy to know it in > France it becomes VERY hard to find one and I would like to setup one BUT > I need some feeders ! I don't care about alt.* but we need the big 8 There are a number of free servers. aioe.org is one. There are several _better_ ones at very nominal cost. e.g. news.individual.net at, I, think, 10 Euro per year. There is also Astraweb -- see -- who charges US$10 for 25gb of data. or US$25 for 180 gigs. The account expires _only_ when you use up the download allocation. *NO* time limit. I know people that have had the $10 account for _years_, follow only a handful of groups, and skip over a lot of the articles in the group. They've hardly made a dent in their 25 gig allotment. between 100 and 200 megs in like four years. They figure their $10 will last 'close to a lifetime'. a 'pay' server is almost always better than a free one. Its usually easier to get a response if there's a problem. Astraweb is one of the best of the 'very low cost' servers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 11:45:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B48106564A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:45:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B7C8FC0C for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5MBjRwb057115 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:45:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:45:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106221145.p5MBjRwb057115@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 'mount -u' stumper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:45:30 -0000 Environment is FreeBSD 7.2 i386 I have a Berkeley FFS filesystem that is mounted ro at boot time. If I do a 'mount -u' to make it writable, it _is_ made writable, but "soft-updates' is also set. Incidentally, does anybody know _where_ the 'soft-updates' optioon is documented?? I've looked evereywhere I can think of, brute-force grepped wholee sections of the /usr/share/man directory tree, all without succeess. If I use 'mount -u -r' to return it to the readonly state, 'soft-updates' is *still* set. _HOW_ do I make'soft-updates' go away on a mounted filesystem ?? 'umount' and then 'mount' does the trick, but it is no a viable production' option. THe underlying situation -- the need to make the filesystem writable -- comes up only rarely, and it doesn't seem to hurt anything if the filesystem is left with soft-updates set, but I _would_ like to clear it, because it *is* logically inconsistant with the read-only status of the filesystem. Anybody got a bright idea I haven't thought of? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 12:05:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77711065674 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:05:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.153.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301458FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-51-20.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.51.20]:35457 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QZLxX-0005wD-FO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:51:05 +0200 Received: (qmail 1171 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2011 13:51:00 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 22 Jun 2011 13:51:00 +0200 Received: (qmail 78932 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jun 2011 13:51:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:51:00 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <20110622115100.GA78910@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <201106221145.p5MBjRwb057115@mail.r-bonomi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201106221145.p5MBjRwb057115@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.51.20 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1QZLxX-0005wD-FO. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net 1QZLxX-0005wD-FO 2a9b1d05521ae779880a492cf1f14567 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 'mount -u' stumper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:05:33 -0000 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:45:27AM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > Environment is FreeBSD 7.2 i386 > > I have a Berkeley FFS filesystem that is mounted ro at boot time. > > If I do a 'mount -u' to make it writable, it _is_ made writable, but > "soft-updates' is also set. Incidentally, does anybody know _where_ > the 'soft-updates' optioon is documented?? I've looked evereywhere I > can think of, brute-force grepped wholee sections of the /usr/share/man > directory tree, all without succeess. > > If I use 'mount -u -r' to return it to the readonly state, 'soft-updates' is > *still* set. > > _HOW_ do I make'soft-updates' go away on a mounted filesystem ?? > > 'umount' and then 'mount' does the trick, but it is no a viable production' > option. > > THe underlying situation -- the need to make the filesystem writable -- comes > up only rarely, and it doesn't seem to hurt anything if the filesystem is > left with soft-updates set, but I _would_ like to clear it, because it *is* > logically inconsistant with the read-only status of the filesystem. > > Anybody got a bright idea I haven't thought of? To change if a given filesystem should use soft-updates or not you use tunefs(8) on that filesystem. (Read the manpage to find exact syntax.) Note that this cannot be done on a filsystem which is mounted read/write - only on filesystems that are unmounted or mounted read-only. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 12:06:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EC2106567F for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8808FC23 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1QZMC9-000IcX-Fh; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:06:09 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:06:06 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: Robert Bonomi , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: 'mount -u' stumper Thread-Index: AQHMMNICthrpXiE/RkOdg5orMzdyt5TJR28C Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:06:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <201106221145.p5MBjRwb057115@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201106221145.p5MBjRwb057115@mail.r-bonomi.com> Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: 'mount -u' stumper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:06:17 -0000 =0A= This seems pertinent:=0A= =0A= ----=0A= 11.12.2 Soft Updates=0A= =0A= The tunefs(8) program can be used to fine-tune a file system. This program = has many different options, but for now we are only concerned with toggling= Soft Updates on and off, which is done by:=0A= =0A= # tunefs -n enable /filesystem=0A= # tunefs -n disable /filesystem=0A= =0A= ---> A filesystem cannot be modified with tunefs(8) while it is mounted. A = good time to enable Soft Updates is before any partitions have been mounted= , in single-user mode.=0A= ---=0A= =0A= From:=0A= =0A= http://docs.freebsd.org/doc/7.2-RELEASE/usr/share/doc/handbook/configtuning= -disk.html=0A= =0A= Looks like you're flat out of luck :-)=0A= =0A= Cheers,=0A= Traiano=0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.= org] on behalf of Robert Bonomi [bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com]=0A= Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:45 PM=0A= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A= Subject: 'mount -u' stumper=0A= =0A= Environment is FreeBSD 7.2 i386=0A= =0A= I have a Berkeley FFS filesystem that is mounted ro at boot time.=0A= =0A= If I do a 'mount -u' to make it writable, it _is_ made writable, but=0A= "soft-updates' is also set. Incidentally, does anybody know _where_=0A= the 'soft-updates' optioon is documented?? I've looked evereywhere I=0A= can think of, brute-force grepped wholee sections of the /usr/share/man=0A= directory tree, all without succeess.=0A= =0A= If I use 'mount -u -r' to return it to the readonly state, 'soft-updates' i= s=0A= *still* set.=0A= =0A= _HOW_ do I make'soft-updates' go away on a mounted filesystem ??=0A= =0A= 'umount' and then 'mount' does the trick, but it is no a viable production'= =0A= option.=0A= =0A= THe underlying situation -- the need to make the filesystem writable -- com= es=0A= up only rarely, and it doesn't seem to hurt anything if the filesystem is= =0A= left with soft-updates set, but I _would_ like to clear it, because it *is*= =0A= logically inconsistant with the read-only status of the filesystem.=0A= =0A= Anybody got a bright idea I haven't thought of?=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A= http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A= To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "=0A= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 12:10:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C4F1065672 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59778FC2B for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so864975fxm.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 05:10:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sBZiM2PdSAK46InciHq7nX6EvJVPwyzr1za4eWJaFdo=; b=LUqS/wSL1eUFweXrgzcYvyzgMBFmWIG8WD6Q8vNy9bKyEFA+W3S+4UodI5oSCjuUID SPHbDNxqS/Y9kCQyCjp2jgczELrrjipaWOC9T0a+Brff+QEdWCpWxXFFc7edLtR+eX8y b64uOZGqn3V8+UBUcDg7QFRNdmZ3kLmqGO8zY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fe9sjACCWCurc/sRDowVlLT7ExMbTeuezda4An5SP3eUGXYWTJbduMRL0TRkbz2Hb2 QV3kgN3qtNIHmDPJls+TStgeCeVoQrMHBx5xoMqPVK/1FyYkBInOSyc+G3txdf4dle9j UrpyKWBGlRAktbMqRDwxaAQuqza/befdxHN4c= Received: by 10.223.158.72 with SMTP id e8mr770564fax.39.1308744638791; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 05:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7sm292640fac.15.2011.06.22.05.10.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 05:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:10:35 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110622131035.6b773e6a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <201106221145.p5MBjRwb057115@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201106221145.p5MBjRwb057115@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 'mount -u' stumper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:10:40 -0000 On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:45:27 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi wrote: > > Environment is FreeBSD 7.2 i386 > > I have a Berkeley FFS filesystem that is mounted ro at boot time. > > If I do a 'mount -u' to make it writable, it _is_ made writable, but > "soft-updates' is also set. Incidentally, does anybody know _where_ > the 'soft-updates' optioon is documented?? I've looked evereywhere I > can think of, brute-force grepped wholee sections of > the /usr/share/man directory tree, all without succeess. > > If I use 'mount -u -r' to return it to the readonly state, > 'soft-updates' is *still* set. > > _HOW_ do I make'soft-updates' go away on a mounted filesystem ?? It's set because sysinstall uses newfs -U by default for non-root filesystems. You can turn it off with tunefs, although I don't see what difference it makes if it's mounted ro. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 12:24:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF57F106566B for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B7F8FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5MCO2RX057516 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:24:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:24:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106221224.p5MCO2RX057516@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110622115100.GA78910@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Subject: Re: 'mount -u' stumper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:24:06 -0000 > From erikt@midgard.homeip.net Wed Jun 22 06:51:47 2011 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:51:00 +0200 > From: Erik Trulsson > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: 'mount -u' stumper > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:45:27AM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > Environment is FreeBSD 7.2 i386 > > > > I have a Berkeley FFS filesystem that is mounted ro at boot time. > > > > If I do a 'mount -u' to make it writable, it _is_ made writable, but > > "soft-updates' is also set. Incidentally, does anybody know _where_ > > the 'soft-updates' optioon is documented?? I've looked evereywhere I > > can think of, brute-force grepped wholee sections of the /usr/share/man > > directory tree, all without succeess. > > > > If I use 'mount -u -r' to return it to the readonly state, > > 'soft-updates' is > > *still* set. > > > > _HOW_ do I make'soft-updates' go away on a mounted filesystem ?? > > > > 'umount' and then 'mount' does the trick, but it is no a viable > > production' option. > > > > THe underlying situation -- the need to make the filesystem writable -- > > comes up only rarely, and it doesn't seem to hurt anything if the > > filesystem is left with soft-updates set, but I _would_ like to clear > > it, because it *is* logically inconsistant with the read-only status of > > the filesystem. > > > > Anybody got a bright idea I haven't thought of? > > To change if a given filesystem should use soft-updates or not you use > tunefs(8) on that filesystem. (Read the manpage to find exact syntax.) > Note that this cannot be done on a filsystem which is mounted read/write > - only on filesystems that are unmounted or mounted read-only. > > > -- > > Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se > > From erikt@midgard.homeip.net Wed Jun 22 06:51:47 2011 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:51:00 +0200 > From: Erik Trulsson > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: 'mount -u' stumper > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:45:27AM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > Environment is FreeBSD 7.2 i386 > > > > I have a Berkeley FFS filesystem that is mounted ro at boot time. > > > > If I do a 'mount -u' to make it writable, it _is_ made writable, but > > "soft-updates' is also set. Incidentally, does anybody know _where_ > > the 'soft-updates' optioon is documented?? I've looked evereywhere I > > can think of, brute-force grepped wholee sections of the /usr/share/man > > directory tree, all without succeess. > > > > If I use 'mount -u -r' to return it to the readonly state, > > 'soft-updates' is > > *still* set. > > > > _HOW_ do I make'soft-updates' go away on a mounted filesystem ?? > > > > 'umount' and then 'mount' does the trick, but it is no a viable > > production' option. > > > > THe underlying situation -- the need to make the filesystem writable -- > > comes up only rarely, and it doesn't seem to hurt anything if the > > filesystem is left with soft-updates set, but I _would_ like to clear > > it, because it *is* logically inconsistant with the read-only status of > > the filesystem. > > > > Anybody got a bright idea I haven't thought of? > > To change if a given filesystem should use soft-updates or not you use > tunefs(8) on that filesystem. (Read the manpage to find exact syntax.) > Note that this cannot be done on a filsystem which is mounted read/write > - only on filesystems that are unmounted or mounted read-only. Agreed with all of that, but it doesn't directly address my issue. When I need the filesystem read/write, I don't mind having soft-updates on. When the filesysem is mounted RO from an _unmounted_ state, soft-updates are _not_ set, even if the filesystem 'tunable' has soft-updates enabled. This is well-and-good, since it it a 'meaningless' setting with regard to a RO filsystem. When that filesystm is remounted R/W, then softupdates are enabled. So far, so good. This is desirable for a R/W filesystem. However, when I revert the filesystem to RO, 'soft-updates' (now _meaningless_) is still displayed. Obviously, you can't do any updates, sync, async, OR 'soft', on a RO filesystem. So that 'dangling' flag is at the very least misleading, and _may_ lead to searching in the wrong direction in the event of other errors. Since it isn't set when the system is _mounted_ RO, it would be 'nice' if it were cleared, when the filesystem status is 'downgraded'(??:) to RO. 'mount(8)' currently doesn't do this on an 'update' mount, although it -does- do it on an initial mount. "Inconsistent" behavior. I was looking for an existing methodology to make the 'update' mount behavior with an initial mount. It may be that I'm going to have to hack the mount(8) source code to accomplish this. Should be a -minor- patch, only a couple of lines of code. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 12:54:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DADA1065678 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2615F8FC19 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5MCsrP9057641; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:54:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:54:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106221254.p5MCsrP9057641@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rwmaillists@googlemail.com In-Reply-To: <20110622131035.6b773e6a@gumby.homeunix.com> Cc: Subject: Re: 'mount -u' stumper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:54:57 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 22 07:11:09 2011 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:10:35 +0100 > From: RW > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: 'mount -u' stumper > > On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:45:27 -0500 (CDT) > Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > > Environment is FreeBSD 7.2 i386 > > > > I have a Berkeley FFS filesystem that is mounted ro at boot time. > > > > If I do a 'mount -u' to make it writable, it _is_ made writable, but > > "soft-updates' is also set. Incidentally, does anybody know _where_ > > the 'soft-updates' optioon is documented?? I've looked evereywhere I > > can think of, brute-force grepped wholee sections of > > the /usr/share/man directory tree, all without succeess. > > > > If I use 'mount -u -r' to return it to the readonly state, > > 'soft-updates' is *still* set. > > > > _HOW_ do I make'soft-updates' go away on a mounted filesystem ?? > > > It's set because sysinstall uses newfs -U by default for non-root > filesystems. You can turn it off with tunefs, although I don't see what > difference it makes if it's mounted ro. That's a large part of why I want to make it 'go away'. It _is_ a "lie" on a RO system. Meaningless, and 'misleading' if you don't see the RO option as well. When the filesystem _does_ need to be RW, I _want_ softupdates enabled. It's a 'good thing' then;. When it's initially mounted RO softupdates are _visibly_ off. I just want to restore that precise situaion/presentation when i 'update' mount thefilesystem to RO. Looks like I'm going mount(8) and/or kernel hacking. a From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 14:12:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B341106566B for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miconof80.list@gmail.com) Received: from mailhost.math.cnrs.fr (margauxlyon.mathrice.fr [194.167.215.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1138FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.math.cnrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FA544096 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:42:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.cnrs.fr Received: from mailhost.math.cnrs.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (margaux.math.cnrs.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3txDh6KRmsCV for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:42:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from e4310 (e4310.lsv.ens-cachan.fr [138.231.81.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.math.cnrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9264408B for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:42:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:41:58 +0200 From: Michel Le Cocq To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110622134158.GA2679@e4310> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: NFS zfs serveur (hardware question) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:12:00 -0000 Hi all, I'm planning to change my data NFS server. For 60 clients. I wanted to serv NFS for data over NFS and also for diskless host (http://projets.mathrice.org/faddef/cgi-bin/trac.cgi). Here is the harware I chose : a little proc : 1.6 Ghz Xeon 4 coeurs (mono) : It's seems that on a such server the proc is just Waiting for IO... !? a lot of Ram : 24 Go speedy disk : Sas 15K : to limit IO Wait What do you think of a such conf ? -- M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 15:37:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91B91065670 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8415F8FC0C for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:37:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=7wnubGF3NlOUNcJ2FwGWOKL0JcRTE4sE6MZpWbucZVI=; b=X3KKFXCSwhSDKW5iKln2AmRMiWG9GQjV8vlv640UQ1SRUqB+vWxhrIdkSe023KdMwtCul6Ti7ga2PgT1TegEWo8ThTGiyEezFdWgRtuXzf84AgcELOQfh1dCoc6pFfTU; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QZPVk-000JRm-9Q for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:38:36 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1308757109-22454-22453/5/5; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:38:29 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20110622134158.GA2679@e4310> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:36:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20110622134158.GA2679@e4310> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.50 (FreeBSD) Cc: Subject: Re: NFS zfs serveur (hardware question) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:37:02 -0000 On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:41:58 -0500, Michel Le Cocq wrote: > speedy disk : Sas 15K > : to limit IO Wait The more spindles the better. Get more disks if possible. Regards, Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 15:56:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AAC1065677 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDAE8FC25 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1091032fxm.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:56:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7ysDEs+qs1mTk9her/wSAydDrRc8AZrv4nytdKR0D6E=; b=O7tMFlTf8T+tezNpvCHUe4AwmcYDLdVcPF1jOxEJjsHKMiHozbmcM89oDJ8DngPEWV jLUmpGS8BS1/SJVF5o1+GqcwH/UUKqz+tLqzKDou18dotGdapZ+Wy3Ke1Izn9s2OAYCP HZBw6aSF/XwRLhY1dSiwUAsMf4mnTh5AckRgE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LgnCvY/Ai0h1dxvFqGGmtiupUKoBxRCPUtKZcCua1CCHIefG+EVTG0YdxPQ319xGXw jyvB5W6XKyIMV4duPriItfMRfXUrkLtHAwBw5P/sMDbz67/qqjz0kvZbT2AecyyT0JZp gB13hUOsFsorYJERB66L+ACBDKPHKkNScc6pY= Received: by 10.223.144.139 with SMTP id z11mr1048586fau.98.1308758171019; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q10sm412347fan.32.2011.06.22.08.56.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:56:07 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110622165607.2652ddbd@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <201106221254.p5MCsrP9057641@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20110622131035.6b773e6a@gumby.homeunix.com> <201106221254.p5MCsrP9057641@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 'mount -u' stumper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:56:12 -0000 On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:54:53 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi wrote: > That's a large part of why I want to make it 'go away'. It _is_ a > "lie" on a RO system. Meaningless, and 'misleading' if you don't see > the RO option as well. > > When the filesystem _does_ need to be RW, I _want_ softupdates > enabled. It's a 'good thing' then;. When it's initially mounted RO > softupdates are _visibly_ off. I just want to restore that precise > situaion/presentation when i 'update' mount thefilesystem to RO. I'd argue the other way around, that mount should display what's configured even if some options do nothing in combination. noatime and async also do nothing in combination with ro, but mount will still display them: # mount -o ro,noatime,async /dev/md31 /mnt/t # mount | grep md31 /dev/md31 on /mnt/t (ufs, asynchronous, local, noatime, read-only) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 18:56:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02204106564A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B858FC0A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5MIugo0033255 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:56:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5MIug12033254 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:56:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:56:42 +0200 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110622185642.GB74606@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110620003727.GB25579@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> <4DFED7E3.8080203@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4DFED7E3.8080203@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:56:45 -0000 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 06:17:23AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 20/06/2011 01:37, Leon Meßner wrote: > > does the freebsd resolver(3) support sending the DO bit in queries and > > thus do DNSSEC validation ? I tried using ssh with SSHFP RR's in a > > signed zone but i still get the "insecure Key" message from ssh on > > FreeBSD (works on some other OS). > > My understanding is that the stub resolver in the base system does not > handle any DNSSEC functionality. It's not clear (at least to me) that > DO bit processing in stub resolvers is very useful -- without support in > the recursive resolver you use upstream, it won't work, but if your > recursive resolver does DO processing, then you don't need it in your > stub resolver. Ok, my recursive resolver does DO processing. How do i tell ssh to set the bit ? Doesn't ssh use my base system stub resolveer to query my in resolv.conf configured DNS ? thanks, Leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 19:29:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434631065672 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:29:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eosterweil@verisign.com) Received: from exprod6og108.obsmtp.com (exprod6og108.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1148FC1E for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:29:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob108.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTgJCtS0WtBh1g+/ReFteS8sDoe5cTJao@postini.com; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:29:58 PDT Received: from dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.139]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p5MJ37BR023565; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:03:07 -0400 Received: from DUL1WNEXMB11.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.13.11]) by dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:03:07 -0400 Received: from 10.131.30.110 ([10.131.30.110]) by DUL1WNEXMB11.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.13.11]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:02:43 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.29.0.110113 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:02:42 -0400 From: "Osterweil, Eric" To: Leon =?ISO-8859-1?B?TWXfbmVy?= , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) Thread-Index: AcwxDjxF4ixF1RmzRrepGCXPWAaf8gAALoeh In-Reply-To: <20110622185642.GB74606@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2011 19:03:07.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[05CCF390:01CC310F] Cc: Subject: Re: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:29:59 -0000 On 6/22/11 2:56 PM, "Leon Me=DFner" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 06:17:23AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On 20/06/2011 01:37, Leon Me=DFner wrote: >>> does the freebsd resolver(3) support sending the DO bit in queries and >>> thus do DNSSEC validation ? I tried using ssh with SSHFP RR's in a >>> signed zone but i still get the "insecure Key" message from ssh on >>> FreeBSD (works on some other OS). >>=20 >> My understanding is that the stub resolver in the base system does not >> handle any DNSSEC functionality. It's not clear (at least to me) that >> DO bit processing in stub resolvers is very useful -- without support in >> the recursive resolver you use upstream, it won't work, but if your >> recursive resolver does DO processing, then you don't need it in your >> stub resolver. >=20 > Ok, my recursive resolver does DO processing. How do i tell ssh to set > the bit ? Doesn't ssh use my base system stub resolveer to query my in > resolv.conf configured DNS ? I'm not sure what you mean by "DO processing," but validation requires a little more than issuing queries w/ the DO bit set (that has been the default in BIND for a while). You need to have the root (or some other) trust-anchor configured, and you need to enable DNSSEC validation in your named.conf. Only after that will you see the AD bit at the stub. Eric From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 20:22:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5625106564A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799DF8FC08 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so3277155qyk.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:22:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0SkrLPN7mnft23Je1+nS7gd84rSXoai7bXfauk9Fd60=; b=ZFpUyU65umHdDel+3a0ueHjlnOeH9s+I0HI8YbQE2pXZ0YT96IIUr0NcKTRuymy6QB PJkssPTjccJ7MvyA2YRXQPcFZiEeEy2s+/ZLYMuMlJjF2g2KEjbXyFMELuxkHJp7aBnE 6qhgEGfoV6ExBamEuKTJ47RojzT0kjOcN9Cl4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=iOQd9c5Q9dRMgRzcK2qNnbnzOt1AOBMO3dwKYj9XdcT91hUD5GpXNy7p4qxBPTzjvL F3Ug457zKCGnsizd73jKslHyT4rHI0+26VbGJwDfy6TLhWDPaI93zvrfk6fegICB2ltw JHEloNzyf6vRt4P2D3XxYQQ76jtguzMqEBHGU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.2.131 with SMTP id 3mr928175qcj.156.1308774162900; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.89.79 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:22:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E00FDC0.3090808@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> <4E00FDC0.3090808@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:22:42 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD ZFS system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:22:44 -0000 On 21 June 2011 21:23, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 21/06/2011 20:01, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > > I'd like to install FreeBSD (pcbsd) on a (zfs) mirror > > In OpenSolaris you can install directly to the zfs mirror, but how's > > this in this situation> After all, an UFS partitin is also created. How > > can I get the equivalent of an OpenSolaris mirrored install for a > > FreeBSD system? > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror > > Cheers > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW > > its dead easy to do retrospective as well no need to rebuild or ditch the pcbsd install method. X = current boot drive Y = blank drive z = zfs partition/slice eg s1d, p3 etc gpart backup /dev/X | gpart restore /dev/Y gpart bootcode -b /zfsboot/pmbr -p /zfsboot/(gpt)*zfsboot -i 1 /dev/Y zpool attach /dev/Xz /dev/Yz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 20:24:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9AF1065670 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612648FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so790166qwc.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:24:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=K1nW9bluX7KhWcEasrp9627c757G1TFD1J81SYvHj9s=; b=LWBnL93QmmYqJVvtXw7uz844rkq3J11m/Xcdf0fF7wuWaUFGWZCVlJoFjSdj01v7qx 9kmXoFSuW6g+QNr1c6AdQ4Y8c+gbsXI3NgpSY9aLvfUwyz6Ih/s7y+bK/AsY0ANUIJ8n yn62J93Haoa02sU/OdCV4B5EU2+wIe51UCakQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=su5hQenZxXeh5pqvih0bMhMl8dTOhQ4BGLwL96nRVQaBDVJspXzT28ZSfUF817pvN2 WwiK1/U11U/+IfA4hzD0WZgRK+HIUsW9w1wQtdn9/nWzhVoQh5AbYL2m05akkQGRrVxw vCdZIpmMO1J/+KcFPx3B1s0EKaeeY07cGmRZM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.7.3 with SMTP id b3mr914351qcb.194.1308774265586; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.89.79 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:24:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> <4E00FDC0.3090808@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:24:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD ZFS system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:24:26 -0000 ps you dont need the ufs file system just go zfs root. For recovery have a full install of bsd on a pen drive. On 22 June 2011 21:22, krad wrote: > > > On 21 June 2011 21:23, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> On 21/06/2011 20:01, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: >> > I'd like to install FreeBSD (pcbsd) on a (zfs) mirror >> > In OpenSolaris you can install directly to the zfs mirror, but how's >> > this in this situation> After all, an UFS partitin is also created. How >> > can I get the equivalent of an OpenSolaris mirrored install for a >> > FreeBSD system? >> >> http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror >> >> Cheers >> >> Matthew >> >> -- >> Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard >> Flat 3 >> PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate >> JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >> >> > > its dead easy to do retrospective as well no need to rebuild or ditch the > pcbsd install method. > > X = current boot drive > Y = blank drive > z = zfs partition/slice eg s1d, p3 etc > > gpart backup /dev/X | gpart restore /dev/Y > > gpart bootcode -b /zfsboot/pmbr -p /zfsboot/(gpt)*zfsboot -i 1 /dev/Y > zpool attach /dev/Xz /dev/Yz > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 20:31:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CA8106564A for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6818FC13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so793776qwc.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:31:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UiWLD/Fp+uckkeFaD+LG9tiLYnYnIi2uk3gCFfBOkXI=; b=bYu8OOGgeefgHCHaw7sQhLl9AgpS9yRks3Ru1nQ+RZlv7UdWRo1qCmpkYwWU4rZPeA gpUh28KPjTfDaHHBRS2y4y+j2mQR+rAu8jFmYy5fmAUrEIiGo6sVUiewvf5kEYcA3a+N A3Z1EfnJfWghsKz7Po5Q1+QcRACCEx0elfJLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Enx/uUNg48REhZWQBUjtf66i2i1eD4+Nk9VARrgRkovYcIDnBmXfq7Fena7F/eA2d5 uRkVguj2KHM0MOLY9npazsb9xn/TQ6qCEMvsFq/j34KaSImqr37i8rCEbLFdfmPEeG63 GPPJ9Gjp8XH7wRMj8fYTF9cNlW9iKwYM0S8yM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.7.3 with SMTP id b3mr920931qcb.194.1308774668233; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.89.79 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:31:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110622004535.GA29715@gmail.com> References: <20110621201553.GA29153@gmail.com> <4E01344B.4020902@snap.net.nz> <20110622004535.GA29715@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:31:08 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Chris Brennan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Peter Toth , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS on Root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:31:09 -0000 On 22 June 2011 01:47, Chris Brennan wrote: > * Peter Toth [2011-06-22 12:16:11 +1200]: > > > Did you set the "bootfs" property on your root pool? Example: "zpool set > > bootfs=tank/root tank" > > OK, I booted back to the livefs memostick, imported my zpool (tank) and > zpool promptly tells me the following > > Fixit# zpool set bootfs=tank/root tank > cannot set property for 'tank': no such pool or dataset. > Fixit > > But ... there is! It was a great tip and a worthy try. But it didn't > work, got any more idea's? > > -- > > Chris Brennan > > -- > > A: Yes. > > >Q: Are you sure? > > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I never have the os installed in the rootfs of the pool From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 20:34:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AEB1065670 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1DC8FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so3284045qyk.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:34:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SLUykI6xezLjzoxpQY3AsDOWNivFdBXDr3BMffdCz2s=; b=Rs7PJUhtOb7/EhIBVhgx8dbma6q/f0A0ajwdbIN1CVK5PGyrLsaTy2qeDDhX/3rL7v aoo79VwuNTpa3D2li6O77KeX5vkrw8jTmFtFq81QKDS0hogEEqBLbeLjR5t032h3da+2 j3mNmQh+Afd9DyM9ci7vcKy4RRnxiCdmIIQDE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=IgLnva+LFhdT1qm5vbupmUM2uYTEUELu8HKJjo9ws1fx5HZbTDoeWh3KtXQzlunIj7 IuMY03T2LYKZ3i+sqe/75JEXyed7mLY1vayydoP8EaHevz8A3ReTQU8Km3/DQ+5iuJQ6 9o0Vi/nmgmeuIMdLzrH3jv3MyFcQjPhHi+dEA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.7.3 with SMTP id b3mr924099qcb.194.1308774874989; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.89.79 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:34:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110621201553.GA29153@gmail.com> <4E01344B.4020902@snap.net.nz> <20110622004535.GA29715@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:34:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Chris Brennan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Peter Toth , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS on Root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:34:36 -0000 On 22 June 2011 21:31, krad wrote: > > > On 22 June 2011 01:47, Chris Brennan wrote: > >> * Peter Toth [2011-06-22 12:16:11 +1200]: >> >> > Did you set the "bootfs" property on your root pool? Example: "zpool set >> > bootfs=tank/root tank" >> >> OK, I booted back to the livefs memostick, imported my zpool (tank) and >> zpool promptly tells me the following >> >> Fixit# zpool set bootfs=tank/root tank >> cannot set property for 'tank': no such pool or dataset. >> Fixit >> >> But ... there is! It was a great tip and a worthy try. But it didn't >> work, got any more idea's? >> >> -- >> > Chris Brennan >> > -- >> > A: Yes. >> > >Q: Are you sure? >> > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >> > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? >> > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ >> > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > I never have the os installed in the rootfs of the pool > > > sorry finger fart, ill continue I have a separate tree for the os, as per below (modelled on opensolaris). Make sure the fs you boot off is also set to legacy mountpoint. Also make sure your bootloader is a zfs aware one [root@carrera /home/krad]# df / Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on system-4k/be/root20110604 597G 5.5G 591G 1% / [root@carrera /home/krad]# zfs list | grep be system-4k/be 55.0G 592G 180K /system-4k/be system-4k/be/current 1.51G 592G 1017M legacy system-4k/be/root20110226 2.80G 592G 882M legacy system-4k/be/root20110302 3.24G 592G 882M legacy system-4k/be/root20110306 1.32G 592G 882M legacy system-4k/be/root20110312 1.36G 592G 923M legacy system-4k/be/root20110416 1.47G 592G 1.14G /system-4k/be/root20110416 system-4k/be/root20110430 1.47G 592G 1.15G legacy system-4k/be/root20110505 2.11G 592G 1.78G legacy system-4k/be/root20110506 4.01G 592G 3.37G legacy system-4k/be/root20110604 6.23G 592G 5.50G /system-4k/be/root20110604 system-4k/be/tmp 900K 594G 384K /tmp system-4k/be/usr-local 4.00G 592G 1.78G /usr/local/ system-4k/be/usr-obj 4.45G 592G 1.45G /usr/obj system-4k/be/usr-ports 9.47G 592G 3.84G /usr/ports system-4k/be/usr-ports/distfiles 2.96G 592G 1.77G /usr/ports/distfiles system-4k/be/usr-src 1.56G 592G 1006M /usr/src system-4k/be/var 8.04G 592G 1.03G /var system-4k/be/var/log 6.68G 592G 4.76G /var/log system-4k/be/var/mysql 82.5M 592G 33.9M /var/db/mysql [root@carrera /home/krad]# zpool get bootfs system-4k NAME PROPERTY VALUE SOURCE system-4k bootfs system-4k/be/root20110604 local From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 21:13:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48EA1065678 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A862F8FC27 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pvg11 with SMTP id 11so1046470pvg.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:13:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yOmXHg5qfPlxlgUWet6jffWbDvH5MOzjtA3slqJL6D4=; b=M4NVxeEWB/PY9eoLlOpxowyXWktb7LoQlHBgMM2oth258ruQXFt/c4Q5zMDBbo3QLZ rTCs54GbCAzSAFxWX0Ip4QW6Xgb8ldU4jse5SOoESbAPm78y8Hl6+h7x9kLCF762yADg EV8VajVHgop3e6fjo8npH8f0z/vcVm3BSAznk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=gLeWkKw17HhvF3W/J/v5MW7PZYTGz30C5LRS4l7Hl22VvJPpOU3BEEuiHP4j+v+10s bJEE4lsvdYF1UszY0tx7RPLifGGPewVyIjsJZ75yM43MMJZJch2pqqLJaOHU3IpGLvSb z10K76MSlxbvOZUpbSCABhbERKkpTiYWnj/oQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.52.70 with SMTP id r6mr721828pbo.465.1308775728223; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.42.228 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:48:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: List of Servers for FreeBSD and Ports Updates... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:13:35 -0000 Hi, I am working on a network which uses a http/ftp proxy that prompts by default for user permission before downloading any file. In order to be able to keep my system up-to-date (FreeBSD and ports), I have to white list the FreeBSD servers and directories that need to be accessible, because otherwise I can only download files through a web browser, which is obviously extremely painful. Also only the HTTP and FTP protocols are allowed on my network, so CVSUP is not allowed. So my current plan is to update FreeBSD using the following tools: 1-Port directory update through portsnap 2-FreeBSD src update through CTM 3-Port updates through distfiles and/or packages I think 1- and 2- are quite straightforward. To allow 1- I need to white list the whole content of http://portsnap.freebsd.org/ . To allow 2- I need to white list the content of ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CTM/ . That should be sufficient, right? The main issue I have though is with 3-. MASTER_SITE_BACKUP and MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE variables are no longer recognized in /etc/make.conf, right? How can I force FreeBSD to pull distfiles and packages from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports ? Also what is the difference between ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/distfiles and ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles ? I guess one of the directories is aliased to point to the other, right? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 21:13:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471511065670 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1821E8FC1D for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk27 with SMTP id 27so1046954pzk.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:13:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=16t9VaGBnKz5OTJAF1tv++VfOtz7ipCU+bV01fHcpgI=; b=WSKf//877++V1btDr1KA7AE4FRVKCaVE2aZYAHjx4dvOgwS0c1hMLeDTP+UwOotAEQ jPNpZBtexOC/F+GQO6NsWZ7Ybo7jpY2G6aa9mP6S1pVnFLlIwoh+tKqQcsgrIX6GphKy ZxlyTbcUzNBsOE0Sg8oPGHOsxTcyqORJdWpZg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=d8WR69xApMahoyeOsLHLzB59qsl9j80RSHm3YMe6y7vFI0HHsjgLTe3E0IM0MkqI7L XSHGrpZqTBgbRGEF1EZwveD2hUmu9syudKs0MTK+WJ7GYDg6O1zYI6wRbbm4pzBiMvuh IjZ9gp3PmbjKJI/WxCAL4jR0F/nczy80QQz2Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.52.70 with SMTP id r6mr732088pbo.465.1308777216745; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: pldrouin@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.42.228 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:13:36 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _w2vKRwl_3ObuzDrZVGy1CQNVNs Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Required HTTP/FTP Servers for FreeBSD and Ports Updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:13:37 -0000 Hi, I am working on a network which uses a http/ftp proxy that prompts by default for user permission before downloading any file. In order to be able to keep my system up-to-date (FreeBSD and ports), I have to white list the FreeBSD servers and directories that need to be accessible, because otherwise I can only download files through a web browser, which is obviously extremely painful. Also only the HTTP and FTP protocols are allowed on my network, so CVSUP is not allowed. So my current plan is to update FreeBSD using the following tools: 1-Port directory update through portsnap 2-FreeBSD src update through CTM 3-Port updates through distfiles and/or packages I think 1- and 2- are quite straightforward. To allow 1- I need to white list the whole content of http://portsnap.freebsd.org/ . To allow 2- I need to white list the content of ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CTM/ . That should be sufficient, right? The main issue I have though is with 3-. MASTER_SITE_BACKUP and MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE variables are no longer recognized in /etc/make.conf, right? How can I force FreeBSD to pull distfiles and packages from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports ? Also what is the difference between ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/distfiles and ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles ? I guess one of the directories is aliased to point to the other, right? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 21:19:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9091065676 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:19:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3E88FC16 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5MLJ1gU059870 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:19:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:19:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106222119.p5MLJ1gU059870@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110622165607.2652ddbd@gumby.homeunix.com> Subject: Re: 'mount -u' stumper X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:19:04 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 22 10:57:33 2011 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:56:07 +0100 > From: RW > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: 'mount -u' stumper > > On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:54:53 -0500 (CDT) > Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > That's a large part of why I want to make it 'go away'. It _is_ a > > "lie" on a RO system. Meaningless, and 'misleading' if you don't see > > the RO option as well. > > > > When the filesystem _does_ need to be RW, I _want_ softupdates > > enabled. It's a 'good thing' then;. When it's initially mounted RO > > softupdates are _visibly_ off. I just want to restore that precise > > situaion/presentation when i 'update' mount thefilesystem to RO. > > I'd argue the other way around, that mount should display what's > configured even if some options do nothing in combination. > I wouldn't argue very hard about that. what I _really_ want is 'consistency', As it is, If I have updated mounted the RO filesystem as RW, and then update mount it again, _back_to_ RO, I get a security alert overnight because things "aren't the same" as they were previously. Insult to injury, next time I reboot -- even _months_ later -- I get *_another* bogus security alert, because 'soft-updates' has (finally!) disappeared from the mount listing.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 22:19:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2A31065688 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:19:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (imap.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2BA8FC17 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5MLw7Mu063656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5MLw7Mu063656 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1308779887; bh=Lyn0e0jWZeud/LG8KMHOsQGncytqKXWGC357p69uLeY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E026568.4020206@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2022=20Jun=202011=2022:58:00=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.18)=20Gecko/20110616=20Thunderbird/3.1.11|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20dnssec=20 with=20freebsd's=20resolver(3)|References:=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Conte nt-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20prot ocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"-------- ----enig2DE5D42E5CFC4D201561BAE1"; b=hBezsIArSjUr7PTtQsX2LqcKEqO1KC286TagmLsDEHe8ynBJc/0GhuIJREPvpOxu2 fQPtPtsrcUWVs86HsLhgVCcrHD1PmeQrDhJOZAvGW+qX9iZIVnRM8tmfIsp/sUG6jI jiPht3YoNkL+SNxuuzSVr8ZkycJj16KlCy4Hocdg= Message-ID: <4E026568.4020206@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:00 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2DE5D42E5CFC4D201561BAE1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:19:14 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2DE5D42E5CFC4D201561BAE1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22/06/2011 20:02, Osterweil, Eric wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 6/22/11 2:56 PM, "Leon Me=DFner" wro= te: >=20 >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 06:17:23AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>> On 20/06/2011 01:37, Leon Me=DFner wrote: >>>> does the freebsd resolver(3) support sending the DO bit in queries a= nd >>>> thus do DNSSEC validation ? I tried using ssh with SSHFP RR's in a >>>> signed zone but i still get the "insecure Key" message from ssh on >>>> FreeBSD (works on some other OS). >>> >>> My understanding is that the stub resolver in the base system does no= t >>> handle any DNSSEC functionality. It's not clear (at least to me) tha= t >>> DO bit processing in stub resolvers is very useful -- without support= in >>> the recursive resolver you use upstream, it won't work, but if your >>> recursive resolver does DO processing, then you don't need it in your= >>> stub resolver. >> >> Ok, my recursive resolver does DO processing. How do i tell ssh to set= >> the bit ? Doesn't ssh use my base system stub resolveer to query my in= >> resolv.conf configured DNS ? >=20 > I'm not sure what you mean by "DO processing," but validation requires = a > little more than issuing queries w/ the DO bit set (that has been the > default in BIND for a while). You need to have the root (or some other= ) > trust-anchor configured, and you need to enable DNSSEC validation in yo= ur > named.conf. >=20 > Only after that will you see the AD bit at the stub. Actually, typically with a correctly configured validating resolver, as an end user issuing queries from the system's stub resolver, you'll only see responses with data that is either: -- completely unsigned -- signed, and that validates correctly Data that doesn't validate correctly is discarded. Better make sure your DNSSEC setup is correctly maintained and updated, or your domains may effectively disappear from the net. "validates correctly" is a function of how your recursive resolver is configured: for instance, you will probably want to trust DLV secured data until authentication paths up to the root become more prevalent in all corners of the DNS. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig2DE5D42E5CFC4D201561BAE1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4CZW4ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzlWQCeLG8s6jM3oD8B7Ud+30Q9JfB1 F14An0Ooel6oR6oeIX6h/dkOkM53ty4/ =Gu5B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2DE5D42E5CFC4D201561BAE1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 22:39:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE55106566B for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:39:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.net) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00138FC13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p5MMSrwR025616 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:28:53 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p5MMSrPR025615; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:28:53 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id D989DBE92; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:28:11 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Dennis Glatting on Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:21:46 -0600 (MDT)) Organization: Array Infotech X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Array Infotech. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 References: Message-Id: <20110622222811.D989DBE92@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:28:11 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: Embedding a RCS token in uname -i X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:39:40 -0000 >> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:21:46 -0600 (MDT), >> Dennis Glatting said: D> My goal is to provide a mechanism where I can identify that kernels D> built on a group of machines are running the same kernel built from a D> configuration under RCS. How can I customized the current config and D> build mechanisms to accomplish this? Make your changes to the file GENERIC.in, run a small script to create GENERIC with the stuff you want, and then do your build. D> Is it a dumb idea? I don't think so. See below for one way to do it; the script includes a sanity check to make sure your build config file has been checked in. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Mr. Rogers was an ordained minister. --item for a lull in conversation --------------------------------------------------------------------------- me% cat -n GENERIC.in 1 # $Revision: 1.2 $ $Date: 2011/06/22 18:13:14 $ 2 3 cpu HAMMER 4 ident GENERIC 5 ... me% ./mkgen me% cat -n GENERIC 1 # THIS FILE WAS AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED. GENERIC.in is under 2 # revision control, so please make your changes there. 3 # 4 # $Revision: 1.2 $ $Date: 2011/06/22 18:13:14 $ 5 6 cpu HAMMER 7 ident GENERIC-1.2-20110622 8 ... me% cat mkgen #!/bin/ksh # /dev/null; then echo updating $out else echo $in needs to be checked in exit 0 fi nawk -v ifile=$in 'BEGIN { warn1 = "# THIS FILE WAS AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED. " warn2 = "# revision control, so please make your changes there.\n#" } { if ($0 ~ /Revision:/) { print warn1, ifile, "is under" print warn2 print gsub("/"," ") id = sprintf("%s-%s%s%s", $3, $6, $7, $8) } else if ($0 ~ /^ident/) { print $0 "-" id } else print }' $in > $out exit 0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 22 23:43:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id E2A951065670; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:43:36 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110622234336.GA94654@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: gpu support for modern systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:43:37 -0000 hi there, modern systems with their suffisticated gpus provide quite a potential for moving some of the workload from cpu to gpu. for certain stuff gpus are much faster than cpus, like number crunching or encoding/decoding multimedia contents. anybody who is using mplayer(1) in combination with nvidia cards and vdpau has probably experienced how much faster and less cpu intensive things can work out when decoding HD video stuff e.g. since opencl/cuda isn't available under freebsd, it doesn't seem possible to somehow hook the nvidia gpu into the every day freebsd workload that easily. however the newer generations of CPUs, like intel sandybridge include hardwired gpus (quick sync?) and i guess intel provides an open api for that. it would be really great to do something like: `kldload intel_gpu.ko` ...and have the kernel offload certain computations to the gpu. maybe, with the gpu serving as a second "cpu", it would be even possible to ensure 100% uptime with loading a copy of the kernel to the gpu, pointing the instruction pointer at it, loading a new kernel version onto the cpu and switching to the new kernel. :) cheers. alex ps: sorry for not being that accurate here and there, just reading up on sandybridge cpus and the z68 chipset, because i'm in the middle of upgrading my box. ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 01:04:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA18106566C; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:04:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cbergstrom@pathscale.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6A78FC0C; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe6 with SMTP id 6so1339151wwe.31 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.5.210 with SMTP id 18mr1354489wbw.18.1308789627224; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:40:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.137.83 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:40:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [58.8.60.38] In-Reply-To: <20110622234336.GA94654@freebsd.org> References: <20110622234336.GA94654@freebsd.org> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Christopher_Bergstr=F6m?= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:40:07 +0700 Message-ID: To: Alexander Best Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gpu support for modern systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:04:22 -0000 On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Alexander Best wrote: > hi there, > > modern systems with their suffisticated gpus provide quite a potential for > moving some of the workload from cpu to gpu. for certain stuff gpus are much > faster than cpus, like number crunching or encoding/decoding multimedia > contents. > > anybody who is using mplayer(1) in combination with nvidia cards and vdpau has > probably experienced how much faster and less cpu intensive things can work out > when decoding HD video stuff e.g. > > since opencl/cuda isn't available under freebsd, it doesn't seem possible to > somehow hook the nvidia gpu into the every day freebsd workload that easily. PathScale has HMPP and partial CUDA support on FreeBSD now. Some caveats to this 1) Non-free (We could possibly make the tools free for FreeBSD community, but I'd have to get approval for it) 2) CUDA support isn't complete (Basic core is there and HMPP C/Fortran works) 3) Tesla 20xx series only We offer real support for FreeBSD and it's not using any linux emulator hacks. Let me know if anyone is interested. (If we get enough positive feedback I'll pursue some resolution to #1) ./C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 01:31:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6121065672 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624E58FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1491382fxm.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.58.145 with SMTP id g17mr1736170fah.77.1308792414756; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.47] (paris.c-mal.com [88.170.200.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm661286faw.24.2011.06.22.18.26.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:26:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <20110622134158.GA2679@e4310> In-Reply-To: <20110622134158.GA2679@e4310> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <808833D7-FAD4-46E2-ACB6-71993AD048FB@my.gd> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:26:50 +0200 To: Michel Le Cocq Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: NFS zfs serveur (hardware question) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:31:15 -0000 On 22 Jun 2011, at 15:41, Michel Le Cocq wrote: > Hi all, I'm planning to change my data NFS server. For 60 clients. >=20 > I wanted to serv NFS for data over NFS and also for diskless host > (http://projets.mathrice.org/faddef/cgi-bin/trac.cgi). >=20 > Here is the harware I chose : >=20 > a little proc : 1.6 Ghz Xeon 4 coeurs (mono) > : It's seems that on a such server the proc is just Waiting for > IO... !? >=20 > a lot of Ram : 24 Go=20 >=20 > speedy disk : Sas 15K=20 > : to limit IO Wait >=20 > What do you think of a such conf ? >=20 > -- > M > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" You'll need to be much more accurate to get helpful answers. What usable storage size do you need ? 2T ? 5T ? 15T ? What kind of performance do you need ? How many slots do you have for hard drives ? Do you want 2.5 or 3.5 size factor disks ? What kin of data security do you want ? (is the data critical ?) Can you afford downtime / incidents during which the data will be unavailabl= e ? Is this a dumb file server or are you going to use NFS for example for your d= atabase or web servers ? What is your budget for this ? Are you going to use compression ? (no, you're not, trust me) Are you going to use snapshots ? As a rule of thumb and for a serious server, I would recommend 1 SSD as dedi= cated cache and 2 SSD for a mirrored ZIL (you don't want to lose this data).= However I think ppl posted about running intro trouble when using both ZIL a= nd cache disks, so I suggest you only get the ZIL. An example of a viable setup would be: 9x 500gb 15k disks for data 2x 32gb SSD disks for ZIL Then, create 3 zraid pools with 3 disks each (try to put each disk within th= e pool on a different controller). Now, create a new zraid pool using your 3 pools. Effectively, you get: datapool (zraid1, 2TB usable) zraid1 (1TB usable) disk A1 disk B1 disk C1 zraid1 (1TB usable) disk A2 disk B2 disk C2 zraid1 (1TB usable) disk A3 disk B3 disk C3 ZFS Intent Log SSD A4 SSD B4 You will lose your main ZFS pool if you lose: - more than 1 of your full ZFS pools or - your ZIL (need confirmation on that) Now, the odds of that happening are rather low... If you're lucky, Jeremy Chadwick will have thoughts on the matter. For the most efficient help, re-read my questions above, these are important= considerations. There are a lot of different pool setups available, and both have their pros= and cons. Tell us what you're looking for, and I'm sure we can hatch a good solution.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 01:38:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5039A106566C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:38:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB64B8FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1494302fxm.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.57.5 with SMTP id a5mr1798789fah.90.1308793094886; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.47] (paris.c-mal.com [88.170.200.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h1sm664278fag.35.2011.06.22.18.38.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:38:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> <4E00FDC0.3090808@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <2596CDD6-593A-4A46-A14E-3BBBAC1AD57E@my.gd> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:38:11 +0200 To: krad Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD ZFS system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:38:16 -0000 On 22 Jun 2011, at 22:22, krad wrote: > On 21 June 2011 21:23, Matthew Seaman wro= te: >=20 >> On 21/06/2011 20:01, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: >>> I'd like to install FreeBSD (pcbsd) on a (zfs) mirror >>> In OpenSolaris you can install directly to the zfs mirror, but how's >>> this in this situation> After all, an UFS partitin is also created. How >>> can I get the equivalent of an OpenSolaris mirrored install for a >>> FreeBSD system? >>=20 >> http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror >>=20 >> Cheers >>=20 >> Matthew >>=20 >> -- >> Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard >> Flat 3 >> PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate >> JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > its dead easy to do retrospective as well no need to rebuild or ditch the= > pcbsd install method. >=20 > X =3D current boot drive > Y =3D blank drive > z =3D zfs partition/slice eg s1d, p3 etc >=20 > gpart backup /dev/X | gpart restore /dev/Y >=20 Hey that's pretty cool, does this work to copy from a small disk to a bigger= one like dump does, or do the partitions have to be the same size ? > gpart bootcode -b /zfsboot/pmbr -p /zfsboot/(gpt)*zfsboot -i 1 /dev/Y > zpool attach /dev/Xz /dev/Yz > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 03:25:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A643106566C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:25:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dscheidt@panix.com) Received: from www.thixotropy.net (www.thixotropy.net [166.84.7.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F22C8FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-98-193-90-146.hsd1.il.comcast.net [98.193.90.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.thixotropy.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E45D51257B6; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Scheidt In-Reply-To: <20110620154624.GA89286@guilt.hydra> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:08:59 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5492F27A-4D6B-4FC5-9C2E-150C02D1340A@panix.com> References: <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> <20110620133617.48643fbc.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110620154624.GA89286@guilt.hydra> To: Chad Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:25:56 -0000 On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > . . . and, somehow, social convention tells me it would be rude to let > this person know (for next time) that everything will be much easier = for > everyone if the data is just left in its original format. >=20 >=20 Oh, I'd have sent an email saying "sorry, your data is not in the = required format. See the requirements at (url, or other way where it's = specified.)." If you didn't specify the format, well, stop bitching, because it's your = own fault.=20= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 03:40:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C46E106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189C48FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.159.142.164]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D90E35D6B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:16:42 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:39:51 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110623033950.GA11459@external.screwed.box> References: <10110430193.20110620132806@yandex.ru> <364152640.20110620133713@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <364152640.20110620133713@yandex.ru> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: pw buggy behaviour X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:40:22 -0000 I feel summer creepin' in and I'm tired of this town again, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/20 13:37:13 +0300 ëÏÎØËÏ× å×ÇÅÎÉÊ => To ëÏÎØËÏ× å×ÇÅÎÉÊ : > ëå> #cat /etc/master.passwd | grep quagga > ëå> quagga:*:101:101::0:0:Quagga > ëå> # pw user show quagga > ëå> pw: no such user `quagga' > > the command > pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd > > resolves the problem, but why this happen is strange... This is because FreeBSD reads its users from /etc/pwddb* database 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 03:42:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143B41065670 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE3B28FC1F for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9510 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2011 03:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2011 03:41:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=bea+2dom0W4XJcM2Bk4lsuJt9xNAJGh9Ok8EzGDsBht3Kz4meJnaCah0VExrgJeMo5lFJRS0YeQCMihZKSZ3fL3Ear6Fnljsuj5Q1trl8TjiAvvg7MMhqqEYBNVFOduq; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QZanl-0000tC-9p for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:41:58 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:26:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:26:30 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110623032630.GA2835@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> <20110620133617.48643fbc.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110620154624.GA89286@guilt.hydra> <5492F27A-4D6B-4FC5-9C2E-150C02D1340A@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5492F27A-4D6B-4FC5-9C2E-150C02D1340A@panix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:42:00 -0000 --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:08:59PM -0500, David Scheidt wrote: > On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > >=20 > > . . . and, somehow, social convention tells me it would be rude to > > let this person know (for next time) that everything will be much > > easier for everyone if the data is just left in its original format. >=20 > Oh, I'd have sent an email saying "sorry, your data is not in the > required format. See the requirements at (url, or other way where it's > specified.)." If you didn't specify the format, well, stop bitching, > because it's your own fault.=20 You appear prone to leaping to assumption and being kind of an asshole. I specified the format. This is not, however, a strictly business relationship -- so different social rules apply, much to my dismay. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk4CsmYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX/4wCfZAg7Bqa4MMKSE9u+YE35CMWH 7g4An22WwUy3Z7mXmxfJKfKo1i6pHLpb =lOvC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 06:50:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C1F1065672 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE048FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so1846883iyb.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:50:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=E9Neilr9BYv+1i0Gj+dZmld1RO70ZUWe80xDrSOgmz8=; b=UyE1vXi2DZHMWCnkxonSSb4v9aoPopIQ0oyzvOs6KqfZ4jfGn/go+7UQy1R4z9AItU yelG7JQ9ju4PcFXh48zYbJL7bqH7KntxiV9CtdpdjnVvc2Q7wsJGxR8nca/xS9ILXDSs X8nJpx3r4wpxGYBGk08dWOBGN9l/RHvxkPh4Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AcObJCgEmOy4MNYN/DoJamSMLTS20e+B+uyllWwhljSzWbC7rkcQwGtTOFEEa4aZUr /Jjb/nu0Ev6ewgs9BuzDwh9Vl1Q4/Ojm31xnQyIZaFx6bNymWcTRy+ypw9skCFzzOci7 kQDlyTON94TENqT055k780/dChUihsssupY/w= Received: by 10.231.126.148 with SMTP id c20mr307816ibs.35.1308811800412; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-98-212-201-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net [98.212.201.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v15sm757491ibh.11.2011.06.22.23.49.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E02E218.6090804@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:50:00 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110621201553.GA29153@gmail.com> <4E01344B.4020902@snap.net.nz> <20110622004535.GA29715@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20110622004535.GA29715@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ZFS on Root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:50:01 -0000 On 6/21/2011 7:47 PM, Chris Brennan wrote: > * Peter Toth [2011-06-22 12:16:11 +1200]: > >> Did you set the "bootfs" property on your root pool? Example: "zpool set >> bootfs=tank/root tank" > > OK, I booted back to the livefs memostick, imported my zpool (tank) and > zpool promptly tells me the following > > Fixit# zpool set bootfs=tank/root tank > cannot set property for 'tank': no such pool or dataset. > Fixit > > But ... there is! It was a great tip and a worthy try. But it didn't > work, got any more idea's? > Try sending your results of `zpool status`, `zpool get all tank`, and `zfs get all tank` and maybe someone can find some quirk. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 08:01:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C7D1065675 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAD18FC23 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf7 with SMTP id 7so846975ywf.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:01:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=OrsORnDq6qvwCLQw+tj+PMUVDiWhsqEWOSiMhtG7TAk=; b=ZagzNE9mcNs65FhoycQwKsaDBgAEs00R5OW4gtylrIg8sG6diGEAWR9+oXm+94H8lu BzLksjezKjRmYvTxIF7YGzCocgnFa/RkLBiD7cMG+rP5q7w82Qa2sXDHcBxM9DREzGqr 5p2XONRfEp1kx0KgS+h2N2CdddaUirSN468Hk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=gjq5yK1SRo2Zaw+9MzE2V/6+hKg0m/aMDpkHcAUqeMCcQHIaDn2CxOfa6DjZbA8qaO QPtgcHFQRffH/jWoPxXMmTLKL0yCTR0CK1r2oaHGQF8U6Bn7EbvDkhZRqkQLXy1k9ypt nSB7zyP++gGivLuTWol0zVU+/iVvqNHfkwogE= Received: by 10.101.175.1 with SMTP id c1mr1382632anp.99.1308814573086; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:36:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.70.3 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:35:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> References: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> From: Valentin Bud Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:35:53 +0300 Message-ID: To: Dick Hoogendijk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD ZFS system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:01:31 -0000 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > OK, it works very well. Installing a ZFS FreeBSD system with an ufs /boot > is very very easy using the PC-BSD DVD. > However, I have one question: > > I'd like to install FreeBSD (pcbsd) on a (zfs) mirror > In OpenSolaris you can install directly to the zfs mirror, but how's this > in this situation> After all, an UFS partitin is also created. How can I get > the equivalent of an OpenSolaris mirrored install for a FreeBSD system? > > Hope I phrased the question clearly enough. > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > Hello Community, Like others said in their answer to your question, you don't have to put /boot on UFS, just go with root on ZFS. If you would like speed when installing the system I recommend mfsBSD - http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/. As pointed out in the web page there is a script (zfsinstall) that does all the work for you. It does all the steps described in the wiki - http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror. If you want to gain knowledge about the process of installing FreeBSD with root on ZFS then go with the wiki article. Using mfsBSD I install a 8.2-STABLE custom system in under 5 seconds. That's pretty neat :). a great day, v -- network warrior From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 09:07:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9EA1065672 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F2B8FC17 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so869204yxl.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:07:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uI5Q+tGs3sSTzRXAz1MUQer617ibWhcs3xIP/d+Tj5I=; b=qxtPh2YNgrnrdvf2xwCc9v46f7EiDq3zhIfAOQYsuB1BiZyhIbZNAuE/T3eR1ptU5T RtLNsZ0jncjSMamLECodc/AiNn5vGQimomAcjBKLiYr9bwwErXw0YtUFzZ2//4tV2HnL kS877te7Xt/MhxqEWtTDYU+D5eQ6eQa5EZp8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=M1Z7SnzpRpgXpRtqikgqAH9VZm+aPZODccfrVWgnq6qEF+55d53R89tP2UweQr9irA mzwJYLjbbKXTYdfQZzBswWNMHybvMc4QsqTtOFvGX0caxIphcakxAuGqX3DyuxX1z211 kwShoQ7MzrSZypP/ipVson4CuC46H53/P4Z2M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.179.40 with SMTP id g28mr1973290yhm.105.1308820031576; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.102.178 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:07:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2596CDD6-593A-4A46-A14E-3BBBAC1AD57E@my.gd> References: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> <4E00FDC0.3090808@infracaninophile.co.uk> <2596CDD6-593A-4A46-A14E-3BBBAC1AD57E@my.gd> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:07:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD ZFS system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:07:13 -0000 On 23 June 2011 02:38, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > > On 22 Jun 2011, at 22:22, krad wrote: > > > On 21 June 2011 21:23, Matthew Seaman >wrote: > > > >> On 21/06/2011 20:01, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > >>> I'd like to install FreeBSD (pcbsd) on a (zfs) mirror > >>> In OpenSolaris you can install directly to the zfs mirror, but how's > >>> this in this situation> After all, an UFS partitin is also created. How > >>> can I get the equivalent of an OpenSolaris mirrored install for a > >>> FreeBSD system? > >> > >> http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Matthew > >> > >> -- > >> Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > >> Flat 3 > >> PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > >> JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW > >> > >> > > > > its dead easy to do retrospective as well no need to rebuild or ditch > the > > pcbsd install method. > > > > X = current boot drive > > Y = blank drive > > z = zfs partition/slice eg s1d, p3 etc > > > > gpart backup /dev/X | gpart restore /dev/Y > > > > Hey that's pretty cool, does this work to copy from a small disk to a > bigger one like dump does, or do the partitions have to be the same size ? > > > > gpart bootcode -b /zfsboot/pmbr -p /zfsboot/(gpt)*zfsboot -i 1 /dev/Y > > zpool attach /dev/Xz /dev/Yz > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > it should work, however I have never done it in practice. a quick test on my openindiana box shows it does # zfs create -V 1G rpool/test2 # zfs create -V 2G rpool/test3 # zpool create test rpool/test2 # zpool create test /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/test2 # zpool attach test /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/test2 /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/test3 # zpool status test pool: test state: ONLINE scan: resilvered 82K in 0h0m with 0 errors on Thu Jun 23 10:05:43 2011 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM test ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/test2 ONLINE 0 0 0 /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/test3 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors # From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 10:55:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D29A1065672 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:55:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@snap.net.nz) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B861E8FC13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:55:02 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUIAHIaA07KfG1m/2dsb2JhbABSmEWOWcothi0EkXKQIw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,412,1304251200"; d="scan'208";a="61883967" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2011 22:55:01 +1200 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.102 Received: from akllappt.local (mail.openvps.biz [202.124.109.102]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id B7379201BB for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:55:00 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <4E031B83.5010708@snap.net.nz> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:54:59 +1200 From: Peter Toth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110421 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110621201553.GA29153@gmail.com> <4E01344B.4020902@snap.net.nz> <20110622004535.GA29715@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20110622004535.GA29715@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ZFS on Root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:55:03 -0000 On 06/22/11 12:47, Chris Brennan wrote: > * Peter Toth [2011-06-22 12:16:11 +1200]: > >> Did you set the "bootfs" property on your root pool? Example: "zpool set >> bootfs=tank/root tank" > OK, I booted back to the livefs memostick, imported my zpool (tank) and > zpool promptly tells me the following > > Fixit# zpool set bootfs=tank/root tank > cannot set property for 'tank': no such pool or dataset. > Fixit > > But ... there is! It was a great tip and a worthy try. But it didn't > work, got any more idea's? > Did you set the mount point properly for your ZFS root? My previous post was intended as an example only, you need to tailor it to your setup. Also, you can use mfsbsd for installation very easy and straightforward http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ . From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 11:23:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5421065673 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amoran@forsythia.net) Received: from meriadoc.forsythia.net (celebrian.forsythia.net [173.13.138.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5978FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.200.0.199] (cerberus.forsythia.net [173.13.138.197]) by meriadoc.forsythia.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5NAuEuF035468 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from amoran@forsythia.net) From: Andrew Moran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:56:07 -0700 Message-Id: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: ZFS on root and "find" performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:23:19 -0000 Is anyone else running zfs on root and running into very slow finds? = The /etc/periodic/daily/450.status-security can take over a noisy HD = thrashing hour to finish, the culprit being the find that crawls the = filesystem. I'm hoping there is some I'm not sure if there if some simple zfs tuning = I need to do to improve the performance on this. I'm looking for what = others use for their ZFS settings. Thanks! --Andy= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 11:35:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F4A106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:35:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148118FC15 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (rockhall.torservers.net [77.247.181.163]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C43205BDD for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:12:13 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:35:43 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110623113543.GE24204@external.screwed.box> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: ZFS on root and "find" performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:35:52 -0000 I feel summer creepin' in and I'm tired of this town again, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/23 03:56:07 -0700 Andrew Moran => To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : AM> AM> Is anyone else running zfs on root and running into very slow finds? The /etc/periodic/daily/450.status-security can take over a noisy HD thrashing hour to finish, the culprit being the find that crawls the filesystem. I was doing, too. I believe zfs requires 4+ GB RAM and 4+ CPUs (or cores) and 1+ TB of storage space to be useful. AM> I'm hoping there is some I'm not sure if there if some simple zfs tuning I need to do to improve the performance on this. I'm looking for what others use for their ZFS settings. But SGI's XFS requires nothing like that, although it is not fully supported on FreeBSD but on those systems it is being designed fpr it requires no tuning for the performance of the any kind of acceptance. I think UFS is still a rather choice for many old machines for which FreeBSD is a competent option for. 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 11:42:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3286106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EECD8FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5NBgqlv008401; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:42:52 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:42:51 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: umage In-Reply-To: <20110621223335.2C145106579B@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20110623205741.K34951@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20110621223335.2C145106579B@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw nat inbound keep-state with net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:42:54 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 368, Issue 6, Message: 21 On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:16:32 +0200 umage wrote: > Hi, I'm an ipfw user that finally got the opportunity to set up NAT on > an interface with a public IP. I was doing some multi-homing experiments > using ipfw fwd combined with outbound ipfw nat - and since I needed to > run both, and both immediately ended ipfw ruleset execution, I had to > turn off net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass. > > This is where I discovered that with that setting turned off, my inbound > NAT rule stopped working. Seems that with one-pass execution, the NAT > rule also performs keep-state of some sort, the dynamic state table > looks ok and everything works fine. But if I turn it off, and do my own > "allow all in keep-state" after applying a static NAT rule on an inbound > connection, I see that the state table has the remote IP on the left > side and mine on the right side. I also see that my NAT setup breaks and > my packets are sent to the internet with a 192.168.0.x source address. It's not possible to tell what's going on from just such a description without sharing your ruleset with us. Offhand it smells like you may have your nat rule/s in the wrong place with respect to check-state or keep-state rule(s). If you show us your ruleset (with any sensitive addresses anonymised if need be) and network configuration, then your problem may become evident. On the face of it, 'allow all in keep-state' is a very dangerous rule, and I'd advise a comparison of your ruleset to the relevant section in /etc/rc.firewall. You should ignore the IPFW section in the Handbook, written by someone who prefers ipfilter and containing many errors; ipfw(8) is your friend. > I'd like to ask if I'm doing anything wrong, or whether this is a bug. I > checked the issue tracker, but found no relevant issues there. I also > tried asking around, but it seems noone even uses ipfw anymore. Depends where you ask; the freebsd-ipfw list archives may assist. Most problems turn out to be usage related, not to say there aren't still some bugs being addressed, lately several related to ipfw nat. > Triggering the issue requires a modified kernel (ipfw forward and ipfw > nat are not available by default), requires using ipfw nat (a relatively > new thing) instead of the old natd daemon, and requires changing the > value of a system setting. ipfw nat requires no kernel configuration, it'll load as a module. The only part of ipfw requiring kernel configuration nowadays is ipfw fwd, which can't be loaded as a module as it impacts many parts of the stack. Neither do you have to use ipfw nat; natd works as well as ever, but I'd be surprised if this isn't an issue more to do with your rule placement. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 11:52:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D208E106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DBB8FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so916718gwb.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.178.20 with SMTP id f20mr2060771anp.55.1308829945607; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b25sm1492159anb.20.2011.06.23.04.52.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3R0Lkb4ZFKz2CG4d for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:52:23 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:52:26 -0000 =46rom URL: . Obviously users of version 4 will be more or less forced to update to version 5 which is now in the ports system. What amazes me is how quick support was pulled from version 4. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 12:02:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13E3106566C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from ex-vmail03.lnh.mail.rcn.net (vmail03.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.113]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBE08FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2011 08:02:30 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id BDR65597; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:02:30 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2011 08:02:24 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:02:23 -0400 To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:02:31 -0000 Jerry writes: > >From URL: > . > > Obviously users of version 4 will be more or less forced to > update to version 5 which is now in the ports system. What amazes > me is how quick support was pulled from version 4. My morning-fogged mind says Version 4 was out less than a year. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 12:05:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C41106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theultramage@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101188FC08 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1834685fxm.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kqEgVL04FNGyEQvjUJdJKsrAmZL7CFt5d9HFwVv2ghI=; b=CGykiyun4GURaxbzuh6EY13vXxFuyBfrk9OFfxUecEFHXrIHtxlrnXU5kKCGrCh/2I t0rYOJI3KZ7qTVvxAUitGbjwd4tqHHtu78jvJT49Sfj9O/7yqoxMC3PFGwGKilvuO1O4 o9RfL25af9AkhozPLGsfATzKYW1ukKvlh3gVI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TLpHN4YlEphV5tGy/j2zEZf+Xz+HqoWM52R9lnXtoXekGDXUqUHhi+zJs/A33fhXM2 hWnTTn2m9HNotQ883p7VeirbBg8F023U4I7pyzVxD8sx9NI3krHzAQ9mPL/jBP3+DOh7 T2FrTIAUq3V/GAr9W94AKyjzUh401kON3XyAg= Received: by 10.223.27.195 with SMTP id j3mr2621267fac.83.1308830752084; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (chello089173013225.chello.sk [89.173.13.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q10sm944799fan.8.2011.06.23.05.05.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E032C1A.9000707@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:05:46 +0200 From: umage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Smith References: <20110621223335.2C145106579B@hub.freebsd.org> <20110623205741.K34951@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20110623205741.K34951@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw nat inbound keep-state with net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:05:54 -0000 Some points: 1) I did use the handbook as reference, and my ruleset mimics the layout used there. 2) Handbook uses divert natd, which I used until I switched to the kernel nat approach. 3) I did not find any concrete examples of ipfw nat rule usage, so I'm using them the old natd way. I did some more experiments, and noticed that for example, an inbound connection can still communicate both ways after the initial state table rule expires (20 seconds for some reason). If they communicate while the state entry is alive, the timeout resets, but it seems like it doesn't matter at all. This leads me to believe that 'ipfw nat' keeps an internal state table, which cannot be viewed, but is checked when doing check-state. Or something... which I have no way of knowing. Here's a pruned version of the ruleset I used. Rule 600 is the one that adds that remote <--> local state table entry that messes everything up. If I omit keep-state on it, then traffic from the local side will be the one creating the states when replying, with a 5-second timeout. -------------------- $fw add 100 allow all from any to any via $lan_if $fw nat 1 config if $wan_if redirect_port 192.168.0.55:12345 12345 $fw add 200 nat 1 ip4 from any to any in via $wan_if $fw add 300 check-state $fw add 400 skipto 800 ip4 from any to any out via $wan_if keep-state $fw add 500 allow all from any to any out keep-state $fw add 600 allow all from any to any dst-port 12345 in keep-state $fw add 700 deny all from any to any in $fw add 800 nat 1 ip4 from any to any out $fw add 900 allow all from any to any From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 12:18:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CA61065675 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316DA8FC13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe6 with SMTP id 6so1736865wwe.31 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.206.135 with SMTP id fu7mr1870917wbb.64.1308831524167; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id et5sm1194423wbb.16.2011.06.23.05.18.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E032F21.4050809@my.gd> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:18:41 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:18:45 -0000 On 6/23/11 2:02 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > > Jerry writes: > >> >From URL: >> . >> >> Obviously users of version 4 will be more or less forced to >> update to version 5 which is now in the ports system. What amazes >> me is how quick support was pulled from version 4. > > My morning-fogged mind says Version 4 was out less than a year. > > > Robert Huff > Just had a pop up saying "next time you restart firefox you'll be running v5" , so yes, users are "more or less forced" ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 12:30:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B7E1065674 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1471D8FC25 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so931611gwb.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.60.4 with SMTP id i4mr2236314aga.45.1308832233469; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c63sm965054yhe.46.2011.06.23.05.30.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3R0MZb2dByz2CG4d for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:30:30 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:30:36 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:02:23 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: > Jerry writes: > > > >From URL: > > . > > > > Obviously users of version 4 will be more or less forced to > > update to version 5 which is now in the ports system. What amazes > > me is how quick support was pulled from version 4. > > My morning-fogged mind says Version 4 was out less than a > year. Correct! When Microsoft EOL'd a ten year old OS (XP) the wailing's from certain factions was deafening. Now with Mozilla EOLing a product less than a year old the sounds of silence seem to be propagating. The best part is that many of my "add-ons" again no longer work. From what I can see in the ports system, and I may be wrong, there is not an option to use the version 4 either although remnants of version 3x seem to still be available. It appears that a user is forced into version 5 from version 4. Wow, and people bitch about Microsoft's update policies. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 12:56:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED141065672 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:56:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E31C8FC18 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5NCuPir065833 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:56:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:56:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106231256.p5NCuPir065833@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:56:26 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 23 07:02:56 2011 > From: Robert Huff > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:02:23 -0400 > To: FreeBSD > Subject: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support > > > Jerry writes: > > > >From URL: > > > _4_from_security_support>. > > > > Obviously users of version 4 will be more or less forced to update to > > version 5 which is now in the ports system. What amazes me is how > > quick support was pulled from version 4. > > My morning-fogged mind says Version 4 was out less than a year. Quoting Maxwell Smart: "Would you believe...." THREE months ago. "current release" is 4.0.1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:02:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0325A106564A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:02:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD228FC1D for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E84267C2C2; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:06:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZLNm4fLvbgqS; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:06:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.6.15] (dhcp64-134-70-150.ssaf.orl.wayport.net [64.134.70.150]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B5BE267C2C1; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:06:40 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <201106231256.p5NCuPir065833@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:02:12 -0400 Message-Id: <362B3197-C172-4FA0-B15F-0F14FC56B90A@d3photography.com> References: <201106231256.p5NCuPir065833@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: Robert Bonomi X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:02:29 -0000 On Jun 23, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> Jerry writes: >>>> From URL: >>> >> _4_from_security_support>. >>> >>> Obviously users of version 4 will be more or less forced to update to >>> version 5 which is now in the ports system. What amazes me is how >>> quick support was pulled from version 4. >> >> My morning-fogged mind says Version 4 was out less than a year. > > Quoting Maxwell Smart: "Would you believe...." > > THREE months ago. > > "current release" is 4.0.1 I'm just as confused by this... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:08:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4BB106564A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090CC8FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so1837730vxg.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.67.33 with SMTP id p33mr719116vci.85.1308834499689; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (ool-435056c7.dyn.optonline.net [67.80.86.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s16sm203313vcc.46.2011.06.23.06.08.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:08:15 -0400 From: Chris Brennan To: Peter Toth Message-ID: <20110623130813.GA29180@gmail.com> References: <20110621201553.GA29153@gmail.com> <4E01344B.4020902@snap.net.nz> <20110622004535.GA29715@gmail.com> <4E031B83.5010708@snap.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E031B83.5010708@snap.net.nz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS on Root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:08:22 -0000 * Peter Toth [2011-06-23 22:54:59 +1200]: > Did you set the mount point properly for your ZFS root? My previous post > was intended as an example only, you need to tailor it to your setup. > Also, you can use mfsbsd for installation very easy and straightforward > http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ . This looks great, but my foggy brain isn't understanding how to use it? Do I just burn the iso to media and boot it? Or is there some track that involves a wand (sorry for my sarcasm lol) -- > Chris Brennan > -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:10:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AF9106564A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from ex-vmail02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (vmail02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7FD8FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2011 09:10:56 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id BDR73746; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:10:55 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2011 09:10:56 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971.15199.521753.184679@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:10:55 -0400 To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:10:57 -0000 Jerry writes: > > > Obviously users of version 4 will be more or less forced to > > > update to version 5 which is now in the ports system. What amazes > > > me is how quick support was pulled from version 4. > > > > My morning-fogged mind says Version 4 was out less than a > > year. > > Correct! When Microsoft EOL'd a ten year old OS (XP) the > wailing's from certain factions was deafening. Now with Mozilla > EOLing a product less than a year old the sounds of silence seem > to be propagating. Which says something about the relative trust levels about Mozilla and Microsoft bringing out a a new .0 of their core product. Robert "still using XP" Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:25:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1279310656D5 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2038FC19 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe6 with SMTP id 6so1793775wwe.31 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.6.18 with SMTP id 18mr2041125wbx.66.1308835527214; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex2sm1235106wbb.31.2011.06.23.06.25.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E033EC5.4020805@my.gd> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:25:25 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> <19971.15199.521753.184679@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <19971.15199.521753.184679@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:25:30 -0000 On 6/23/11 3:10 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > > Jerry writes: > >> > > Obviously users of version 4 will be more or less forced to >> > > update to version 5 which is now in the ports system. What amazes >> > > me is how quick support was pulled from version 4. >> > >> > My morning-fogged mind says Version 4 was out less than a >> > year. >> >> Correct! When Microsoft EOL'd a ten year old OS (XP) the >> wailing's from certain factions was deafening. Now with Mozilla >> EOLing a product less than a year old the sounds of silence seem >> to be propagating. > > Which says something about the relative trust levels about > Mozilla and Microsoft bringing out a a new .0 of their core product. > > > Robert "still using XP" Huff > Well the main difference is, there was a lot of software that would run only on win XP for large companies, internal web applications, home made banking software... With FF, it's just a version bump, addons will get fixed (or not) and that is it. I for one was much more bothered by XP's EOL than I am with FF bumping. Although, I'll give you, I'm as confused as everyone regarding this 4->5 bump, surely they could have done 4.1 or something... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:29:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D667C10656AD for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:29:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3888FC18 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (www.darkmindweb.com [192.168.1.100]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A487DA84 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 152.121.16.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:29:50 -0400 Message-ID: <40556e40dc57cc4cdabb6c350ab653b5.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <808833D7-FAD4-46E2-ACB6-71993AD048FB@my.gd> References: <20110622134158.GA2679@e4310> <808833D7-FAD4-46E2-ACB6-71993AD048FB@my.gd> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:29:50 -0400 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: NFS zfs serveur (hardware question) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:29:52 -0000 On Wed, June 22, 2011 9:26 pm, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > You will lose your main ZFS pool if you lose: > - more than 1 of your full ZFS pools > or > - your ZIL (need confirmation on that) >From my reading, on the ZIL: Under 8.2, true. If you have patched your ZFS install, or are running -CURRENT, you can lose your ZIL, I think. (The ability is in zpool version 19.) The 'I think' is because that version allows *removal* of the ZIL device. Which should be the same as a loss of the device, but... Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:38:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9DB106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp03.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21268FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2011 09:38:34 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.2.3-GA) with ESMTP id AYI19921; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:38:32 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.91.204; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2011 09:38:32 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971.16853.120332.617376@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:38:29 -0400 To: Damien Fleuriot In-Reply-To: <4E033EC5.4020805@my.gd> References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> <19971.15199.521753.184679@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4E033EC5.4020805@my.gd> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:38:35 -0000 Damien Fleuriot writes: > Although, I'll give you, I'm as confused as everyone regarding > this 4->5 bump, surely they could have done 4.1 or something... It is my understanding there are (even more) substantial (than usual) internal changes, particularly relating to HTML v5. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:40:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE19106564A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698128FC2F for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from russet.local (reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5NDeYSW077941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:40:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5NDeYSW077941 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1308836440; bh=/Y0ND3rYpDlAsPmRGzBQ7QG2ism/wGZppavLGmSP8yw=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E034252.8030406@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T hu,=2023=20Jun=202011=2014:40:34=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.18)=20Gecko/20110616=20Thunderbird/3.1.11|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Mozilla=2 0retires=20Firefox=204=20from=20security=20support|References:=20< 20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio>=20<19971.11087.811956.446957@jeru salem.litteratus.org>|In-Reply-To:=20<19971.11087.811956.446957@je rusalem.litteratus.org>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|Content-Type:= 20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"a pplication/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigC 61C881927CEFFDDB7A7D074"; b=ZLrOk/3lPf0sI70k5I+HoJ+OPXQUzEoxpxjnO4kbLuODLEMKxCHmaKbNDFk9qfOV+ wgNYwlxsxq79t56MpYKF/Gi5Jhg0QtWCNWSSFsK2DlsDAdFCqvhf83vvGapC+0Xu9B hJU/GkhpOxXOGFWms3/fWMUgJILadtBycZiIztBc= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4E034252.8030406@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:40:34 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC61C881927CEFFDDB7A7D074" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:40:46 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC61C881927CEFFDDB7A7D074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 23/06/2011 13:02, Robert Huff wrote: > My morning-fogged mind says Version 4 was out less than a year. Much less than a year. V4 came out in April. I'm wondering what the big deal is that Mozilla felt they needed to bump the major version number? There don't seem to have been many user visible changes between 4 and 5, and (only seen momentarily flashing past, so may not be correct) the delta between 4 and 5 that my Mac downloaded was only about 10MB. That doesn't seem to me to add up to the sort of large scale reworking that a major version bump should imply.= Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigC61C881927CEFFDDB7A7D074 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4DQlIACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzeygCdE1GiLmJ0/ttyTJhVgddjXBBY 3i0AnRvGDUlZL3KwwuCyunBu8m9ONnKO =Q7B8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC61C881927CEFFDDB7A7D074-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:51:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1032D1065696 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:51:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kernel@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D278FC18 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD8550A11 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:51:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (techunter.webrz.net [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPA id ADEC75094A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:51:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E0344DD.7030809@webrz.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:51:25 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Subject: Spamassassin not working after update of Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:51:23 -0000 I have updated my Perl version yesterday but now my Spamd doesn't work anymore. Can someone hint me how to solve this? thanks, Jos Chrispijn Pls see output: Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. ClamAV update process started at Thu Jun 23 15:43:00 2011 main.cld is up to date (version: 53, sigs: 846214, f-level: 53, builder: sven) daily.cld is up to date (version: 13231, sigs: 130699, f-level: 60, builder: arnaud) bytecode.cld is up to date (version: 143, sigs: 40, f-level: 60, builder: edwin) spamd not running? (check /var/run/spamd/spamd.pid). Starting spamd. Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. --- cut --- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:28:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769C71065674 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:28:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cyanide-studio.com) Received: from mail.cyanide-studio.com (mail.cyanide-studio.com [195.66.80.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EAA8FC27 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.1.8.14]) by mail.cyanide-studio.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3926F17BF49A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:08:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.cyanide-studio.com ([10.1.8.3]) by localhost (mailguard.cyanide-studio.com [10.1.8.14]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 65780-06 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:08:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.1.8.120] (unknown [10.1.8.120]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bsemene@cyanide-studio.com) by mail.cyanide-studio.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D5C17BF48A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:08:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E033AD7.2010600@cyanide-studio.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:08:39 +0200 From: Admin Cyanide Organization: Cyanide User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:53:27 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:28:19 -0000 Le 23/06/2011 14:30, Jerry a écrit : > On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:02:23 -0400 > Robert Huff articulated: > >> Jerry writes: >> >>> > From URL: >>> . >>> >>> Obviously users of version 4 will be more or less forced to >>> update to version 5 which is now in the ports system. What amazes >>> me is how quick support was pulled from version 4. >> My morning-fogged mind says Version 4 was out less than a >> year. > Correct! When Microsoft EOL'd a ten year old OS (XP) the wailing's from > certain factions was deafening. Now with Mozilla EOLing a product less > than a year old the sounds of silence seem to be propagating. > > The best part is that many of my "add-ons" again no longer work. From > what I can see in the ports system, and I may be wrong, there is not an > option to use the version 4 either although remnants of version 3x > seem to still be available. It appears that a user is forced into > version 5 from version 4. Wow, and people bitch about Microsoft's update > policies. > The major difference is that when updating Microsoft's OS from a major version to another you have to pay. I'm not flaming, I just want to focus on the fact that this products have not the same constraints. What is surprising is why it is not a 4.1 release, I'm not following Firefox development but I'm surprised how fast they've gone from a major release to another. What has been changed in FF 5 that needs this release number change ? -- Bastien Semene Administrateur Réseau& Système Cyanide Studio - FRANCE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:55:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815D71065678 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1904E8FC29 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so1822880wyb.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.57.148 with SMTP id c20mr2040464wbh.54.1308837339812; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fi5sm1255233wbb.22.2011.06.23.06.55.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E0345D9.20803@my.gd> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:55:37 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E0344DD.7030809@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <4E0344DD.7030809@webrz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Spamassassin not working after update of Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:55:41 -0000 On 6/23/11 3:51 PM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > I have updated my Perl version yesterday but now my Spamd doesn't work > anymore. > Can someone hint me how to solve this? > > thanks, > Jos Chrispijn > > Pls see output: > > Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. > > Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. > > Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. > > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. > Compilation failed in require at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. > Compilation failed in require at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. > Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. > ClamAV update process started at Thu Jun 23 15:43:00 2011 > main.cld is up to date (version: 53, sigs: 846214, f-level: 53, builder: > sven) > daily.cld is up to date (version: 13231, sigs: 130699, f-level: 60, > builder: arnaud) > bytecode.cld is up to date (version: 143, sigs: 40, f-level: 60, > builder: edwin) > spamd not running? (check /var/run/spamd/spamd.pid). > Starting spamd. > > Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. > > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. > Compilation failed in require at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. > Compilation failed in require at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. > Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. > > Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. > > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. > Compilation failed in require at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. > Compilation failed in require at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. > Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. > > --- cut --- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Just to make really sure, did you check for any notes in UPDATING regarding perl ? Also, have you run perl-after-update ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:55:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFA21065680 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:55:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467F98FC16 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP43 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:43:46 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [174.109.142.1] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([174.109.142.1]) by BLU0-SMTP43.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:43:45 -0700 Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3R0PC41KDcz2CG4d for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:43:43 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2011 13:43:45.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[92AE3200:01CC31AB] Subject: 1-ClickWeather for Firefox fails under Firefox-5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:55:48 -0000 I just updated to the new Firefox-5 browser. Unfortunately, the 1-ClickWeather for Firefox (Weather Channel) fails. I tried to remove and re-install the add-on but the results were the same. This is the error message: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIFileInputStream.init]" nsresult: "0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://1clickweather/content/js/utils/filemanager.js :: :: line 233" data: no] Apparently, this add-on works fine under MAC, Linux and Microsoft so the only this I can think of is that the problem lies with FreeBSD. I have FreeBSD-8.2/amd64 installed. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks! -- Carmel ✌ carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 14:09:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA52106566C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:09:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D75D8FC0C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5DCBFE84.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.254.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5NE905o031396; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:09:00 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5NE8qYM000672; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:08:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5NE8gZn005550; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:08:47 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106231408.p5NE8gZn005550@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Pierre-Luc Drouin From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:48:48 EDT." Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:08:42 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: List of Servers for FreeBSD and Ports Updates... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:09:03 -0000 > 1-Port directory update through portsnap > 2-FreeBSD src update through CTM > 3-Port updates through distfiles and/or packages > > I think 1- and 2- are quite straightforward. To allow 1- I need to white > list the whole content of http://portsnap.freebsd.org/ . To allow 2- I need > to white list the content of ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CTM/ . That > should be sufficient, right? Yoy can receive all of src*, ports, cvs by ctm You can receive ctm by mail, all from @freebsd.org mail lists Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 14:33:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCB3106564A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:33:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA498FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so2242424iyb.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:33:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CxYLB6bcjUoIQdXg48kdaKba+2hewbGPRIarIfu85i0=; b=j/TfWKSvrNvaHGpQ7bTxnvPV06dmV69gl68md0RrY20LxGZOQUekavIH4b+H0MQpOP ZbfCWCQFDSGfBlR8EKwSizMgqLqlxc5oy804ZfxBJWJmwnp+k9Gb1cKFc4odAP2N0PG0 4717vEj0kBmbW6EdC9H86vWKw72cGvcJhkAig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hflnBTkXSgATQAXxugpvdMsgw8XRPjc0dcki3WlxF4DorTMNtZyZR0WBt55YDJfWas gI2qXREEw3j6keWptc/greDsM4kmfrUy4u3pXD5AbhG8dqhnBAjxEDp5UDzlOam+SZwy ue6x0EJwJVFUTkF49YBlB5rElgw7uwx3Q6KRQ= Received: by 10.42.210.203 with SMTP id gl11mr1996581icb.35.1308839635393; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-98-212-201-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net [98.212.201.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ft12sm925949ibb.53.2011.06.23.07.33.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E034ECD.2030505@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:33:49 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> <4E033AD7.2010600@cyanide-studio.com> In-Reply-To: <4E033AD7.2010600@cyanide-studio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:33:56 -0000 On 6/23/2011 8:08 AM, Admin Cyanide wrote: > > The major difference is that when updating Microsoft's OS from a major > version to another you have to pay. > I'm not flaming, I just want to focus on the fact that this products > have not the same constraints. > > What is surprising is why it is not a 4.1 release, I'm not following > Firefox development but I'm surprised how fast they've gone from a major > release to another. > What has been changed in FF 5 that needs this release number change ? > Blame Chrome. Just like there was no Netscape 5 because of IE6, the version number is marketing to make it look like Firefox is updating more often and faster than competitors. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 14:35:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E46A106564A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A798FC19 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903C5267C2E5; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:40:00 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r7erLKhct64f; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:39:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.6.15] (dhcp64-134-70-150.ssaf.orl.wayport.net [64.134.70.150]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AC560267C2E4; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:39:46 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <4E034ECD.2030505@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:35:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7C70B394-4C08-472C-9084-312141E0BD74@d3photography.com> References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> <4E033AD7.2010600@cyanide-studio.com> <4E034ECD.2030505@gmail.com> To: Joshua Isom X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:35:35 -0000 On Jun 23, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Isom wrote: > On 6/23/2011 8:08 AM, Admin Cyanide wrote: >>=20 >> The major difference is that when updating Microsoft's OS from a = major >> version to another you have to pay. >> I'm not flaming, I just want to focus on the fact that this products >> have not the same constraints. >>=20 >> What is surprising is why it is not a 4.1 release, I'm not following >> Firefox development but I'm surprised how fast they've gone from a = major >> release to another. >> What has been changed in FF 5 that needs this release number change ? >>=20 >=20 > Blame Chrome. Just like there was no Netscape 5 because of IE6, the = version number is marketing to make it look like Firefox is updating = more often and faster than competitors. IMO Netscrape 6 was no better than IE6 :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 14:45:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2281065674 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:45:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eosterweil@verisign.com) Received: from exprod6og115.obsmtp.com (exprod6og115.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAD28FC1C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob115.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTgNRko3LXT0Qnz/8XPQjypt99K9Mzo7V@postini.com; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:45:53 PDT Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p5NEjcS6002582; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:45:38 -0400 Received: from DUL1WNEXMB11.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.13.11]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:45:37 -0400 Received: from 10.131.30.110 ([10.131.30.110]) by DUL1WNEXMB11.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.13.11]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:45:27 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.29.0.110113 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:45:26 -0400 From: "Osterweil, Eric" To: Matthew Seaman , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) Thread-Index: AcwxKocisMB+ChKkSrOyXFsWV7ByEwAiakaX In-Reply-To: <4E026568.4020206@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2011 14:45:37.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[375C9370:01CC31B4] Cc: Subject: Re: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:45:54 -0000 On 6/22/11 5:58 PM, "Matthew Seaman" wrote: > On 22/06/2011 20:02, Osterweil, Eric wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 6/22/11 2:56 PM, "Leon Me=DFner" wrote: >>=20 >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 06:17:23AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>>> On 20/06/2011 01:37, Leon Me=DFner wrote: >>>=20 >>> Ok, my recursive resolver does DO processing. How do i tell ssh to set >>> the bit ? Doesn't ssh use my base system stub resolveer to query my in >>> resolv.conf configured DNS ? >>=20 >> I'm not sure what you mean by "DO processing," but validation requires a >> little more than issuing queries w/ the DO bit set (that has been the >> default in BIND for a while). You need to have the root (or some other) >> trust-anchor configured, and you need to enable DNSSEC validation in you= r >> named.conf. >>=20 >> Only after that will you see the AD bit at the stub. >=20 > Actually, typically with a correctly configured validating resolver, as > an end user issuing queries from the system's stub resolver, you'll only > see responses with data that is either: >=20 > -- completely unsigned And this will _not_ have the AD bit. >=20 > -- signed, and that validates correctly This will have the AD bit, but only if there is a verifiable chain of trust leading from a configured trust-anchor. >=20 > Data that doesn't validate correctly is discarded. Better make sure > your DNSSEC setup is correctly maintained and updated, or your domains > may effectively disappear from the net. This actually depends on exactly what you mean by "doesn't validate," and how the resolver is configured: If the chain of trust does not lead to thi= s zone, then the resolver can be configured to return data without setting th= e AD bit (this is the default for most early movers on DNSSEC). If there IS = a valid chain of trust, and the crypto doesn't verify, then you are right, data is not returned (unless the CD bit is set). >=20 > "validates correctly" is a function of how your recursive resolver is > configured: for instance, you will probably want to trust DLV secured > data until authentication paths up to the root become more prevalent in > all corners of the DNS. I strongly disagree! Now that the root, .com, .net, .edu, .gov, .org, etc. are signed (over 65 TLDs), the few _debatable_ reasons to use DLV are reall= y gone. Today, if there is no chain to a zone, then you (as the resolver operator) can decide if you want to configure the TA manually, or wait unti= l the zone operator gets their DS in their parent zone. In either case, the typical DNSSEC validating resolver configuration will return data for these zones, just not setting the AD bit. Don't forget (also), that using DLV exposes the privacy of exactly what zones you are querying to the external party running the DLV. You will essentially tell that party what zones you= r are querying by asking for those zones' DLV records. Eric From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 14:52:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FD4106564A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@gracenpeace.net) Received: from shorty.gracenpeace.net (shorty.gracenpeace.net [209.181.242.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210AD8FC13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.holidaycompanies.com [209.98.45.253]) by shorty.gracenpeace.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C00F439012 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:30:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E034F1E.9040905@gracenpeace.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:35:10 -0500 From: Joe in MPLS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: LTO3 tape drive not detected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:52:09 -0000 I have FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE running on an HP DL360 G5. I recently added an (HP branded) LSI Logic single channel SCSI 320 card and attached an HP Ultrium 920 LTO3 tape drive. The system sees the SCSI controller as mpt0, and it seems to know there's something at SCSI ID 4, but I get an "AutoSense Failed" for hba/id/lun 0:4:0 at boot and subsequent camcontrol rescans. I checked the supported hardware doc for the release but it doesn't get very specific about tape drives. This is my first experience with LTO3 tape. I was hoping that I'd automagically get a /dev/sa0 device like I always did with my old DLT drives but it wasn't to be this time. Is there a way to make this drive work? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 14:52:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF4C106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DB38FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so998806gyf.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.77.65 with SMTP id c41mr3381977yhe.10.1308840777498; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm1048817yhs.11.2011.06.23.07.52.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3R0Qkv3SYCz2CG4d for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:52:54 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110623105254.6c850fb9@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4E033AD7.2010600@cyanide-studio.com> References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> <4E033AD7.2010600@cyanide-studio.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:52:58 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:08:39 +0200 Admin Cyanide articulated: > The major difference is that when updating Microsoft's OS from a > major version to another you have to pay. > I'm not flaming, I just want to focus on the fact that this products > have not the same constraints. We were, or at least I was under the impression we were, discussion web browsers. Microsoft and Mozilla both made significant changes in the browsers before bumping the major version number. In this particular instance, it appears that has not happened. What really bothers me is that they EOL'd the version 4 virtually without warning after only a few months. I have never seen Microsoft or Google EOL a product that quickly. It might have been nice to keep the version 4 available for users who find version 5 unsuitable for whatever reason. Microsoft even keeps IE-5 (although I don't know why) available for download. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 15:49:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91BA106564A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A97B8FC13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so3801593qyk.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TxWz8HxdXxBKdRi4yXtgJrQg0oynyYmVoQ7HS3uoAtg=; b=KPIzenQjdAqA1M2ux4XCwyrniSEZ4iBjImANd0cH8BGf/9ceX67wMzPKbeYE6aP+YB u4/aZj01DfFQtj80FJx8GdgMnoAlGyU3AqcbV4urT+ydZKx99Yf3D1D3P3GMPxoCZBJj 5FY2XAtTpRMsXf6D6RRDZ8m4Q32INWiPF1Oi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:message-id:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aoFau6izNaP08gk95w91C8Uf/P7q/+d2qr0VG1mkuUkallT9kWLzhGGazWJ1B6KSN7 kiBPdF+szILbzlhOSrAOYV/+YCrBKgoQJIFlhBIvYK/oHtMcUKkoOXrXXPqgWrIlNAOF 4DJLp0Mi5f41WZ4ELYzJzcbfwdPXJxMIPwK4E= Received: by 10.229.63.229 with SMTP id c37mr1698955qci.212.1308844170709; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7sm1281574qck.32.2011.06.23.08.49.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:49:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:49:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.4; i686; ; ) References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <4E033AD7.2010600@cyanide-studio.com> <20110623105254.6c850fb9@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110623105254.6c850fb9@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201106231149.25616.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:49:32 -0000 Why not take this discussion to freebsd-chat? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 16:00:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D1C1065689 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from axelbsd@ymail.com) Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC2B18FC1C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.184] by nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2011 15:47:27 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.33] by tm15.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2011 15:47:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2011 15:47:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 159079.78348.bm@omp1022.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 59596 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2011 15:47:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s1024; t=1308844047; bh=RYKm11aWmrPYP67WMZcBUghEH9EARLJcJmdmBdKfMcs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:In-Reply-To:References:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject:To:Content-Type; b=s7LmtCpFQS6gmukgjcoUV01baYn0rn3QdwohaOdgU2u8gCb4pRYlWsVhUZ7q8UsqTimrd3s5F8UisuCP44oedC01rXtxeCMx1pcn+UiIlCaHlGpvzLHy0nHfzhr36U7wp2lXiRRw5uDqKw8J3NioQ5DEY9B1RPsTTVn8Y6ZAw+s= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: .9aJ7mEVM1lpUpAUs46_t.EcxWM2Mivv31wfgN7hrAVrFZb M1ahn.auC790Hrza5R3KDPgkwkMXth9rAByTns9VK5.I7xOdMGYiaC1sZCwK T_1i4LtX7fmVx4CqyjjF8i9SEkanunmPnfbIhTHcL.4tudnMpWWXLIWWMPMw s0cnui0tUjmrEsM0CUHkfT9bNaH43D4Pb62b69nXuOAQyZuQC4gApPUY4OAs bAnlAqClGxg0Hco7dpoyixhkhDRITAVjjsoT5JCw7C8yIR8CUjNyREsiwXwX TzV5HYNcQU0Wl_1C3L7.O X-Yahoo-SMTP: S65s63SswBDjU54Gjqw2GSWlZmfgiEU_X3tN1_9u Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (axelbsd@209.85.161.182 with plain) by smtp120.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2011 15:47:26 +0000 GMT Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so1040380gxk.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.11.9 with SMTP id o9mr2529706ybi.360.1308844046096; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:47:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.181.15 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:47:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110623105254.6c850fb9@scorpio> References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> <4E033AD7.2010600@cyanide-studio.com> <20110623105254.6c850fb9@scorpio> From: Alexandre Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:47:06 +0200 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:00:50 -0000 Hi all, Now the different versions of Firefox are : - Release (version) - Aurora (version +1) - Nightly (version +2) With this roadmap, you don't care with the version number of the release. There will be only one, not like before with 3.6.x, 3.5.x ... I think this is really more easy. You will stay with your release version of Firefox and that's all. You just have to upgrade when needed. Mozilla can spend energy to develop it software, not to maintain an older version whose performance (or other) are deprecated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 16:25:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D441065677 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:25:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7638FC08 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QZmiU-0000iM-7j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:24:55 -0700 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:25:16 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:25:16 -0700 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110623162516.GD44894@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/unnNtmY43mpUSKx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:25:21 -0000 --/unnNtmY43mpUSKx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Jerry on Thursday, 23 June 2011: > On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:02:23 -0400 > Robert Huff articulated: >=20 >=20 > The best part is that many of my "add-ons" again no longer work. From > what I can see in the ports system, and I may be wrong, there is not an > option to use the version 4 either although remnants of version 3x > seem to still be available. It appears that a user is forced into > version 5 from version 4. Wow, and people bitch about Microsoft's update > policies. >=20 Yes, Pentadactyl for one. Upgrading to its nightly build version makes it work, sort of. Looks like text fields no longer scroll properly. This is taking the Google-led trend of "beta is the new release" to extremes. --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --/unnNtmY43mpUSKx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOA2jsAAoJEIpckszW26+RW/wIALKWtVakZ/02wM9QRKBsO6a5 KNTd+p6MVlk+TDHlhM7zhb0ggQkYCMkSCfJKvsb6SAL7638UY3r3Q6cayJ5fsp6s jSj+ILnn4mLbNOnxnUTHnJbtYo4aoHbT8IbbkeSn67NXxP5CMociiD207/CZYSIM RCt0x5RrQE2K2EwzSTlM/gkG/SChYFD/KPTa9rqw2etr0t34F/Y7/VkT9xCYwve1 TqYdnmpdqAgzpsGTXRVsbpn9q3gQhcFKQpSXDZUvtG3K/FRCI8bGdHWLGmx4PRzt A7/vfyhKFlBwqnP8MFhh0FMASSM3A3RIXjpcMY3LE80KvdWCPSXpjeUfHbhdGzw= =xTjW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/unnNtmY43mpUSKx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 16:37:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BBF106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E96B8FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf7 with SMTP id 7so1061935ywf.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.182.230 with SMTP id o66mr3869759yhm.228.1308847067791; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w66sm1109858yhi.24.2011.06.23.09.37.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3R0T3s41Qhz2CG4d for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:37:29 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110623123729.51760b57@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110623162516.GD44894@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110623075223.3b439423@scorpio> <19971.11087.811956.446957@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110623083030.2afcccfd@scorpio> <20110623162516.GD44894@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/G=N0v3/CCiQ7ZfX1fxEQdhN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:37:49 -0000 --Sig_/G=N0v3/CCiQ7ZfX1fxEQdhN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:25:16 -0700 Chip Camden articulated: > Yes, Pentadactyl for one. Upgrading to its nightly build version > makes it work, sort of. Looks like text fields no longer scroll > properly. This is taking the Google-led trend of "beta is the new > release" to extremes. Google and its, "BETA-4-EVER" concept is one I would not like to see instituted. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html --Sig_/G=N0v3/CCiQ7ZfX1fxEQdhN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOA2vYAAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFW4sH/RwwMOBp7w/f1Ex/baChRlNP vZB3z0kxo5ZrNUYy4WST73rgt76RNnSgSbyr2ywMsyEZlBmaG+p9qZjvCR2MHpjp iItUyPk/AIBf52NEHvNjgYBF2dqWUBy8NGVZafpylZfC+oUL/p6ykeeKyuqs8BlT nZbqXTJnR5zdgVosoV56LMkAfHFWIqd8EGCqD++L09KUGWTJO0mW4YNSR2gRB/sG uuS/v1PDZiX2cn07CX7yBUwHacRhPo5xQHw2UOrGnGv6hs+hNdmsBEPD8+xYzPgv xB2/vKq6+fqD7WT7o5vDXqUq3k3AoJDdT5P3xIfL2G/MRdMWx+/QWt6yLT4/J7U= =mm5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/G=N0v3/CCiQ7ZfX1fxEQdhN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 16:41:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E601065673 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@umich.edu) Received: from 28dayslater.mr.itd.umich.edu (28dayslater.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.12.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF4B8FC22 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: FROM hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.14.81]) By 28dayslater.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E036C4F.F122B.17280 ; 23 Jun 2011 12:39:43 EDT Received: FROM itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu [141.213.135.249]) By hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4E036C4D.96EEC.24942 ; Authuser web; 23 Jun 2011 12:39:41 EDT Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:39:17 -0400 From: William Bulley To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110623163917.GA91695@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: can't build graphics/xfig-3.2.5b on 8.2-STABLE nor databases/p5-DBD-Oracle with lang/perl5.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:41:49 -0000 First there is the xfig issue: No matter what the setting is for I18N (WITH or WITHOUT) there is this: cc -c -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/libpng -I/usr/local/include/X11 -I. -I/usr/local/include -DCSRG_BASED -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO -DUSE_INLINE -DUSE_XPM -DXAW3D -DXAW3D1_5E -DUSE_JPEG -DI18N -DNEWARROWTYPES e_edit.c e_edit.c: In function 'generic_window': e_edit.c:3214: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size e_edit.c: In function 'str_panel': e_edit.c:4252: error: 'XtNinternational' undeclared (first use in this function) e_edit.c:4252: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once e_edit.c:4252: error: for each function it appears in.) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/xfig/work/xfig.3.2.5b. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/xfig. *** Error code 1 I tracked this down to a problem in the Imakefile around line 153: #define I18N This line was not commented out when building xfig using: # make install (and WITHOUT_I18N=true inside /var/db/ports/xfig/options) Looking further I found these two lines: -XCOMM #define I18N +#define I18N inside the /usr/ports/graphics/xfig/files/patch-Imakefile patch file. I think this may be incorrect. After commenting out the #define in the Imakefile, the build of xfig was successful. Secondly, I found that building databases/p5-DBD-Oracle when Perl 5.14 (from lang/perl5.14) was present failed in the compilation of the Oracle.c file. It seems that several Perl constants sv_undef, sv_yes, and sv_no (and others) changed between Perl 5.12.3 and Perl 5.14 to PL_sv_undef, PL_yes, and PL_sv_no, respectively. I didn't take the time to debug this further since I had other Perl 5.14 issues that forced me to completely rebuild my system from scratch starting with Perl 5.12.3 (lang/perl5.12) this time. Once I had Perl 5.12.3 built, databases/p5-DBD-Oracle built just fine. My other problems with Perl 5.14 were observed trying to launch apache2 (2.2.19) with mod_perl2 (2.0.5). Those problems also went away once I rebuilt my ports starting with Perl 5.12.3 version. This makes me suspect Perl 5.14 changes or the effect those changes have had on other ports in the ports tree. Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 16:50:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E71106566C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DCC8FC17 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2077288fxm.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:50:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=fTQFy753DXRwy631MaUKF040FU/YQRAHHTEi+nCsawk=; b=N6r8jLKIDujlff8RKlISk0DOUtIJLHhs6MuQThEl/7eEG91VGK4Ec+FYgPgvzMZL54 R+58U1MfRMMc3Hxur6FfqjfhAcEWUac7nbqwbQLG0LoSpj8aHPgPHoajc+jt+qLw18Ib RT3TIfsayo/ne/1w9XjQ4K3iPSuJdrwfIkURc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=tLOMgQb7VhONgL87Na/0WwRGUHCwVv9tyNG9EHJRwqo8OKgEFGppwF6Wbhxm9s6ViU bmDUIWPZuTd0iVtShhHVfEwyu88Odx+AyHnCybJA4cGGyMCKzeP25Lqu9SG8mxHJR78B rKNEOubWcoqvkmuB+pKYRfdtRcl55ON2L2Wzk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.159.197 with SMTP id k5mr2949356fax.50.1308847835106; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.116.202 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:50:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E034F1E.9040905@gracenpeace.net> References: <4E034F1E.9040905@gracenpeace.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:50:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Joe in MPLS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LTO3 tape drive not detected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:50:37 -0000 On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Joe in MPLS wrote: > The system sees the SCSI controller as mpt0, and it seems to know there's > something at SCSI ID 4, but I get an "AutoSense Failed" for hba/id/lun 0:4:0 > at boot and subsequent camcontrol rescans. > > I checked the supported hardware doc for the release but it doesn't get > very specific about tape drives. This is my first experience with LTO3 tape. > I was hoping that I'd automagically get a /dev/sa0 device like I always did > with my old DLT drives but it wasn't to be this time. > > Is there a way to make this drive work? > I don't the answer to your question, it's been quite some time since I worked with a tape drive. Off-topic question, what type of capacities to tapes support now days? I think think you may have more luck posting this question to a different list, stable@ is the one that comes to mind for me. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 17:15:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF43106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:15:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBA78FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD783CB0F; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5NHFciT001676; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:15:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:15:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Joe in MPLS Message-Id: <20110623191537.76e16dcf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4E034F1E.9040905@gracenpeace.net> References: <4E034F1E.9040905@gracenpeace.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LTO3 tape drive not detected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:15:41 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:35:10 -0500, Joe in MPLS wrote: > > I have FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE running on an HP DL360 G5. I recently added > an (HP branded) LSI Logic single channel SCSI 320 card and attached an > HP Ultrium 920 LTO3 tape drive. > > The system sees the SCSI controller as mpt0, and it seems to know > there's something at SCSI ID 4, but I get an "AutoSense Failed" for > hba/id/lun 0:4:0 at boot and subsequent camcontrol rescans. > > I checked the supported hardware doc for the release but it doesn't get > very specific about tape drives. This is my first experience with LTO3 > tape. I was hoping that I'd automagically get a /dev/sa0 device like I > always did with my old DLT drives but it wasn't to be this time. > > Is there a way to make this drive work? For better diagnostics, use the camcontrol utility, options reset, rescan, devlist and inquiry, after the system successfully booted. There should be a listing containing the tape drive and therefore the device node in /dev, or a more descriptive error message if something is wrong. % camcontrol devlist at scbus0 target 6 lun 0 (pass0) at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass1) This example shows a SCSI scanner at 0:6:0, the controller is an Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter (PCI), driver is ahc0, as real SCSI hardware. If you're using the ATAPICAM facility, don't get confused with the ATAPI devices being on that list too. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 17:19:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46682106564A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:19:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79358FC18 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5DCBFE84.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.254.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5NHJU2B034325; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:19:31 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5NHJNKK001309; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:19:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5NHJ8Uu017856; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:19:18 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106231719.p5NHJ8Uu017856@fire.js.berklix.net> to: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:50:35 CDT." Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:19:08 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Joe in MPLS Subject: Re: LTO3 tape drive not detected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:19:33 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Joe in MPLS wrote: > > > The system sees the SCSI controller as mpt0, and it seems to know there's > > something at SCSI ID 4, but I get an "AutoSense Failed" for hba/id/lun 0:4:0 > > at boot and subsequent camcontrol rescans. > > > > I checked the supported hardware doc for the release but it doesn't get > > very specific about tape drives. This is my first experience with LTO3 tape. > > I was hoping that I'd automagically get a /dev/sa0 device like I always did > > with my old DLT drives but it wasn't to be this time. > > > > Is there a way to make this drive work? > > > > I don't the answer to your question, it's been quite some time since I > worked with a tape drive. Off-topic question, what type of capacities to > tapes support now days? > > I think think you may have more luck posting this question to a different > list, stable@ is the one that comes to mind for me. Could also ask on scsi@freebsd.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 17:36:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D88106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a.smith@ukgrid.net) Received: from mx1.ukgrid.net (mx1.ukgrid.net [89.107.22.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAF58FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.21.28.38] (port=25032 helo=omicron.ukgrid.net) by mx1.ukgrid.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76; FreeBSD) envelope-from a.smith@ukgrid.net envelope-to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org id 1QZnos-000IQ4-5u; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:35:58 +0100 Received: from 81.60.148.108.dyn.user.ono.com (81.60.148.108.dyn.user.ono.com [81.60.148.108]) by webmail2.ukgrid.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:35:58 +0100 Message-ID: <20110623183558.92695qj3suaqmow0@webmail2.ukgrid.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:35:58 +0100 From: a.smith@ukgrid.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) / FreeBSD-8.1 Subject: RE: LTO3 tape drive not detected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:36:00 -0000 Seems in theory that LTO 3 should work ok based on this forum post: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=8042 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 18:23:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97D8106566C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:23:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F458FC1C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5NINmTk032392 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:23:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5NINk7G032391 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:23:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:23:46 +0200 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110623182346.GD74606@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E026568.4020206@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4E026568.4020206@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:23:53 -0000 This mail got only send to Matthew because of bad time of day ;) On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:58:00PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 22/06/2011 20:02, Osterweil, Eric wrote: > > > > > > > > On 6/22/11 2:56 PM, "Leon Meßner" wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 06:17:23AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >>> On 20/06/2011 01:37, Leon Meßner wrote: > >>>> does the freebsd resolver(3) support sending the DO bit in queries and > >>>> thus do DNSSEC validation ? I tried using ssh with SSHFP RR's in a > >>>> signed zone but i still get the "insecure Key" message from ssh on > >>>> FreeBSD (works on some other OS). > >>> > >>> My understanding is that the stub resolver in the base system does not > >>> handle any DNSSEC functionality. It's not clear (at least to me) that > >>> DO bit processing in stub resolvers is very useful -- without support in > >>> the recursive resolver you use upstream, it won't work, but if your > >>> recursive resolver does DO processing, then you don't need it in your > >>> stub resolver. > >> > >> Ok, my recursive resolver does DO processing. How do i tell ssh to set > >> the bit ? Doesn't ssh use my base system stub resolveer to query my in > >> resolv.conf configured DNS ? > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "DO processing," but validation requires a > > little more than issuing queries w/ the DO bit set (that has been the > > default in BIND for a while). You need to have the root (or some other) > > trust-anchor configured, and you need to enable DNSSEC validation in your > > named.conf. > > > > Only after that will you see the AD bit at the stub. > > Actually, typically with a correctly configured validating resolver, as > an end user issuing queries from the system's stub resolver, you'll only > see responses with data that is either: > > -- completely unsigned > > -- signed, and that validates correctly > > Data that doesn't validate correctly is discarded. Better make sure > your DNSSEC setup is correctly maintained and updated, or your domains > may effectively disappear from the net. > > "validates correctly" is a function of how your recursive resolver is > configured: for instance, you will probably want to trust DLV secured > data until authentication paths up to the root become more prevalent in > all corners of the DNS. The only thing i want to do at the moment is serve my local zone to my local clients. If i do % dig @dns +dnssec rosa.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de i get ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 3 and also i can see the D0 bit set when looking at the tcpdump. If i now use the stub resolver through telnet/ssh the D0 bit does _not_ get set in the query. So there is no way for the recursive NS to supply AD data, right ? thanks for helping the blind. Leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 18:44:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9413B106568A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eosterweil@verisign.com) Received: from exprod6og109.obsmtp.com (exprod6og109.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0658FC16 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob109.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTgOJbfTi2OTUaMQPXltKcA0R8NZL/7qS@postini.com; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:44:06 PDT Received: from dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.139]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p5NIhuWe020525; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:43:56 -0400 Received: from DUL1WNEXMB11.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.13.11]) by dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:43:56 -0400 Received: from 10.131.30.110 ([10.131.30.110]) by DUL1WNEXMB11.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.13.11]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:43:44 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.29.0.110113 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:43:43 -0400 From: "Osterweil, Eric" To: Leon =?ISO-8859-1?B?TWXfbmVy?= , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) Thread-Index: Acwx0sz5RnH0mFU/SQScFUDgKj2hsgAAqzuS In-Reply-To: <20110623182346.GD74606@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2011 18:43:56.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[8229BBF0:01CC31D5] Cc: Subject: Re: dnssec with freebsd's resolver(3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:44:06 -0000 On 6/23/11 2:23 PM, "Leon Me=DFner" wrote: > This mail got only send to Matthew because of bad time of day ;) >=20 > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:58:00PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On 22/06/2011 20:02, Osterweil, Eric wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 6/22/11 2:56 PM, "Leon Me=DFner" wrote= : >>>=20 >>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 06:17:23AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>>=20 >>> I'm not sure what you mean by "DO processing," but validation requires = a >>> little more than issuing queries w/ the DO bit set (that has been the >>> default in BIND for a while). You need to have the root (or some other= ) >>> trust-anchor configured, and you need to enable DNSSEC validation in yo= ur >>> named.conf. >>>=20 >>> Only after that will you see the AD bit at the stub. >>=20 >> Actually, typically with a correctly configured validating resolver, as >> an end user issuing queries from the system's stub resolver, you'll only >> see responses with data that is either: >>=20 >> -- completely unsigned >>=20 >> -- signed, and that validates correctly >>=20 >> Data that doesn't validate correctly is discarded. Better make sure >> your DNSSEC setup is correctly maintained and updated, or your domains >> may effectively disappear from the net. >>=20 >> "validates correctly" is a function of how your recursive resolver is >> configured: for instance, you will probably want to trust DLV secured >> data until authentication paths up to the root become more prevalent in >> all corners of the DNS. >=20 >=20 > The only thing i want to do at the moment is serve my local zone to my > local clients. If i do >=20 > % dig @dns +dnssec rosa.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de >=20 > i get >=20 > ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 4, > ADDITIONAL: 3 >=20 > and also i can see the D0 bit set when looking at the tcpdump. If i now > use the stub resolver through telnet/ssh the D0 bit does _not_ get set > in the query. So there is no way for the recursive NS to supply AD data, > right ? That is correct, sorry. If the stub doesn't request DNSSEC enabled (via th= e DO bit), then the resolver will not return the validation bit. :( I did a little bit of googling, and found these instructions but I have not tried any of this myself: https://www.dnssec-tools.org/svn/dnssec-tools/trunk/htdocs/readme/README.ss= h (Look under the "Requirements" section) There seemed to be a lot of people suggesting that opening bug reports will prompt more attention to this. >=20 > thanks for helping the blind. Not at all! :) Eric From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 19:37:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C815A106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557898FC1D for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5NJbr3k083594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:37:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5NJbr3k083594 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1308857873; bh=aey2QchOAn2BqdG9YHFBNTFlS9aPPWnCU1nh9ajz3oM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4E03960B.8000400@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T hu,=2023=20Jun=202011=2020:37:47=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.18)=20Gecko/20110616=20Thunderbird/3.1.11|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Spamassas sin=20not=20working=20after=20update=20of=20Perl|References:=20<4E 0344DD.7030809@webrz.net>=20<4E0345D9.20803@my.gd>|In-Reply-To:=20 <4E0345D9.20803@my.gd>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3 D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1= 3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20bound ary=3D"------------enigB19D9828DCC715AD1F7DF255"; b=aVnw15MDYf9Hkt+3Aklj2SzTvJA9ySbdtF1WCk2qaRNlz7JI0YaJfQIBcyPFjGCe9 H4+Kedz9HVOsOaauGmDvzkWaPOPJh7VwkGAKWOOUsm2BgvcZQmU2Lz3K6wcLuIe/F/ mPNbJS7um5Ih8Pv3ykevWz/JyvlGhS8rMpmTA6rc= Message-ID: <4E03960B.8000400@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:37:47 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4E0344DD.7030809@webrz.net> <4E0345D9.20803@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4E0345D9.20803@my.gd> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB19D9828DCC715AD1F7DF255" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Spamassassin not working after update of Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:37:58 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB19D9828DCC715AD1F7DF255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 23/06/2011 14:55, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > I have updated my Perl version yesterday but now my Spamd doesn't work >> anymore. >> Can someone hint me how to solve this? You need to reinstall all perl modules if you upgrade perl from 5.10.x or 5.12.x to 5.14.1. This is explained in UPDATING. If you do it right, there should be pretty much nothing left in /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.X.Y where 5.X.Y is the version you're upgrading from. Specifically reinstall p5-NetAddr-IP and p5-Net-DNS Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigB19D9828DCC715AD1F7DF255 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4DlhAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwoYACgjpveOixDlP53nvKdrvaIVg+T 3QEAnAgyeFuHoiszTIJtCRxAGg88z/DD =A2Ci -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB19D9828DCC715AD1F7DF255-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 20:00:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FD5106566C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:00:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm17.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm17.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD1188FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm17.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2011 20:00:48 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.137] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2011 20:00:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2011 20:00:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 994945.978.bm@omp1020.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 87778 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2011 20:00:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1308859247; bh=ZWjAMOM0n27WaeXY9qze9C3AJy77Ggbfq528JoaKIhw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=txWp1VsHEB4yqan/MdALGri8FcvEGxxQ/vjH4WUSKdTi0xL+wLX1VuXge6h0DEB98v0oH6fpd3SrHe/DOMg/SsTV0T+PzrJeHCUOAg+t6/4M0ZIMKm3OOqKa0tkqj0+nYmA33ZfMQtJ1AmQzwaHxLpiVSS2NGIsLgvlAa6bHMwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eEaoamzvIfuC0iG/nL7yNgpPqXQFBRzi9QYioMJLrOtQL66dzRdbr8KACE6IICC4qUHdixNzOlZlmlK56u28b/kQ8KNTRyHpJYJGLmSzLsyfVEJ0CIzZAEFv76QEWuy+Jbdu54TomRpXDdORXjN2PIfPqeBM+yIUOKu/7DD92hc=; Message-ID: <355783.86664.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0gROqzsVM1mZmroQgB7TZeziuf2dICewpEcmJX_GvJP12zC t5pkD5p0nbObzHDAyZ0NoMU6w2GcZk7zkSbPKKZURGt1ETsaiF_VmSvgTLO1 dLIACTj_mIvODRhEUUeishbzVXeI4Bn8roZYtWhEWGbHB9oyU4aniwoB1PiS 3RWFtXmpfQ3C_D9t8BVcr8PG1odK3AvKCpyPml7flYj5w6Ct59hdF4bldbsQ 21JOcGKV4xuNdX1R3xYJfdJN1D8.1jSKehqivP7_VtkYKQj52dgTGyPbMpoS XpriiUMxSRhgBGVrS4ErgjLav4UXBIlR_l.lcOXSALEDaBT.8vXrO5QcIhET 4V8E1nn74EseJXPXJ6CweKEC8P6igkjiBHN4cVEdL_on_1UX8iIPqtUbW.Go 5jwYqGV8uxghs9j7A2LQDWMBc578z9ahGsnYnP8_ZvKGYW_5jRxqyxYLiw.s - Received: from [76.108.201.66] by web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:00:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/572 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20110619072518.2115dffb@scorpio> <20110619112248.7c879c1f@scorpio> <20110619154949.GA84264@guilt.hydra> <20110619123451.4a392bec@scorpio> <20110619173046.GB84720@guilt.hydra> <20110620133617.48643fbc.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110620154624.GA89286@guilt.hydra> <5492F27A-4D6B-4FC5-9C2E-150C02D1340A@panix.com> <20110623032630.GA2835@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman To: Chad Perrin , FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20110623032630.GA2835@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:00:49 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: Chad Perrin =0ATo: FreeBSD =0ASent: Wed, J= une 22, 2011 11:26:30 PM=0ASubject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD?= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHey guys.this thread is really starting to stink. Take it ou= tside.=0A=0AOn Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:08:59PM -0500, David Scheidt wrote:= =0A> On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:=0A> > =0A> > . . . an= d, somehow, social convention tells me it would be rude to=0A> > let this p= erson know (for next time) that everything will be much=0A> > easier for ev= eryone if the data is just left in its original format.=0A> =0A> Oh, I'd ha= ve sent an email saying "sorry, your data is not in the=0A> required format= .=A0 See the requirements at (url, or other way where it's=0A> specified.).= " If you didn't specify the format, well, stop bitching,=0A> because it's y= our own fault. =0A=0AYou appear prone to leaping to assumption and being ki= nd of an asshole.=0A=0AI specified the format.=A0 This is not, however, a s= trictly business=0Arelationship -- so different social rules apply, much to= my dismay.=0A=0A-- =0AChad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://= owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 21:22:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D0A106566C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2B78FC1D for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2293475fxm.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.94.78 with SMTP id y14mr3289683fam.24.1308864167699; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (did75-17-88-165-130-96.fbx.proxad.net [88.165.130.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v20sm1237573fai.7.2011.06.23.14.22.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:22:46 -0700 (PDT) References: <4E0344DD.7030809@webrz.net> <4E0345D9.20803@my.gd> <4E03960B.8000400@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4E03960B.8000400@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:22:41 +0200 To: Matthew Seaman Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Spamassassin not working after update of Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:22:49 -0000 On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:37, Matthew Seaman w= rote: > On 23/06/2011 14:55, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> I have updated my Perl version yesterday but now my Spamd doesn't work >>> anymore. >>> Can someone hint me how to solve this? >=20 > You need to reinstall all perl modules if you upgrade perl from 5.10.x > or 5.12.x to 5.14.1. This is explained in UPDATING. >=20 > If you do it right, there should be pretty much nothing left in > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.X.Y where 5.X.Y is the version you're upgrading > from. Specifically reinstall p5-NetAddr-IP and p5-Net-DNS >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew >=20 > --=20 > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW >=20 You're totally misquoting me as I'm not the OP but I'll live ;)= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 22:40:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2751065670 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:40:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCEA8FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5DCBFE84.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.254.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5NMeNNi038452; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:40:24 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5NMeLia002491; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:40:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5NMeBcv000401; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:40:16 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106232240.p5NMeBcv000401@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Robert Simmons From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:13:20 EDT." Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:40:11 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:40:25 -0000 > > Should we send in a send-pr to edit src/etc/motd ? > > PR it. Sounds good. Thanks. Done. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=158238 Now it'll need a commiter. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 22:49:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898801065672 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F3F8FC13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyg7 with SMTP id 7so1041684eyg.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:49:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.100.65 with SMTP id y41mr1672490eef.205.1308867452615; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.195 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:17:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [76.104.147.221] In-Reply-To: <808833D7-FAD4-46E2-ACB6-71993AD048FB@my.gd> References: <20110622134158.GA2679@e4310> <808833D7-FAD4-46E2-ACB6-71993AD048FB@my.gd> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:17:32 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: NFS zfs serveur (hardware question) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:49:13 -0000 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > As a rule of thumb and for a serious server, I would recommend 1 SSD as dedicated cache and 2 SSD for a mirrored ZIL (you don't want to lose this data). > However I think ppl posted about running intro trouble when using both ZIL and cache disks, so I suggest you only get the ZIL. Definitely get the ZIL device. NFS performance will be almost intolerable without it. It used to be you could work around this, at cost of an increased risk of data loss if the server crashed, by turning off the ZIL; but as of 9.0 this is no longer allowed, so a ZIL device is pretty much mandatory. I'm looking at ways to add one to one of my machines for this reason. 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Subject: Problem with web video X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:52:41 -0000 I have been fighting a losing battle trying to get video to display with Firefox. I just updated to the latest version 5;however, it still does not work. This is on a FreeBSD-8.2 system. As an example, the following URL does not display the video or even the portion where one would usually click on to start the video. http://front.moveon.org/bill-maher-if-our-policy-is-yeehaw-jesus-takes-the-wheel-were-dead-already/ This site works fine with IE-9 & Windows 7, so I know it does work. As far as I can tell, I have all of the required packages installed. -- Carmel ✌ carmel_ny@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 23:59:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBDA1065670 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:59:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout019.mac.com (asmtpout019.mac.com [17.148.16.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CF68FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:59:59 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp019.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LN9004FIPB8LJ90@asmtp019.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:59:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-23_08:2011-06-23, 2011-06-23, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106230236 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:59:32 -0700 Message-id: <35B9DB5F-5AF1-41BB-B965-F64B5E50FBE5@mac.com> References: To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: Problem with web video X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:59:59 -0000 On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Carmel wrote: > I have been fighting a losing battle trying to get video to display > with Firefox. I just updated to the latest version 5;however, it still > does not work. This is on a FreeBSD-8.2 system. > > As an example, the following URL does not display the video or even the > portion where one would usually click on to start the video. > > http://front.moveon.org/bill-maher-if-our-policy-is-yeehaw-jesus-takes-the-wheel-were-dead-already/ That's Flash content. Adobe supports Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and Solaris (from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions ). If it is important to you that Flash works well, you should either persuade Adobe to provide a FreeBSD version, or you should switch to using one of the platforms on which Flash is supported. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 00:30:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C91106566B for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E558FC14 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:30:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1308874231; h=From:Subject:Date:To:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=BMR+PzqwgjRyrhaTA0cYyZX3Wl0=; b=CU2Uhjfv3Y5sbpYAuYAmlrDwFC8oh6tI7q/eCHvDc57Nldfp0iuLt3MlIM8Ykn59 MrRr7lvLfMWMZNIobUg+ZNLYqRy9uxwfWDEGXYsSD9pWL/r1YtRJtFsQ6+qR4GJt; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=nWwn57Y/xzy6WliAA8UPdjt5jQh4XEAKMS+i2AYCJ84= c=1 sm=0 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=BhER33N8vDN0g5+N+wJ41A==:17 a=NRF7K_vUAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=xakaOypcJkXPAAFvyjwA:9 a=4JsniZO8I_J8MlfGlrAA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=0zF_USBlf0MA:10 a=MFc6XYY7ANoA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=BhER33N8vDN0g5+N+wJ41A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=rpratt1950@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [74.4.54.98] ([74.4.54.98:62424] helo=tv.weeeble.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTPA id 93/34-09047-6F5D30E4; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:10:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:10:29 -0400 From: Randy Pratt To: "Julian H. Stacey" Message-Id: <20110623201029.9b489db9.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:30:32 -0000 On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:03:23 +0200 "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > Hi questions@ > > > Robert Simmons articulated: > > > There > > > seems to be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists > > > that keep spamming it periodically, > I think we should: > make questions@ list writable only to subscribers (if not already); & > Edit /usr/src/etc/motd eg: > OLD If you still have a question or problem, please take the output of > OLD `uname -a', along with any relevant error messages, and email it > OLD as a question to the questions@FreeBSD.org mailing list. I don't think making a list writable only to subscribers solves anything since it seems the spammers are already subscribed. This only makes it difficult for others like myself who read the lists online and only post occasionally. Just my 0.02. Randy (Apologies if snipping irrelevant text makes it hard to identify original posters). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 00:33:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D89106566C for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:33:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADCB8FC12 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so2408131vxg.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:33:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.32.201 with SMTP id l9mr3540381vdi.15.1308875602832; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.98.79 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:33:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.185.244] In-Reply-To: <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> References: <201106202352.24196.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:33:22 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:33:25 -0000 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Jerry wrote: > It is my personal view that FreeBSD-Questions should be consolidated > into the chat forum. Chat forums are rarely moderated and tend to be > open to the general public. Some of us have workflows that favor e-mail over those newfangled web forums for reasons well beyond this thread. Please leave questions@ as it is. It is good enough, IMHO, and one of the better communities out there in terms of technical knowledge and friendliness w.r.t. all sorts of questions. Oh, and as to many users not posting in a more focused manner to -stable@, -current@, -hackers@ etc..., the reason is quite simple: many issues are common to all branches, and there isn't a -common@ mailing list to address them. So questions@ is a pretty good catch-all for those general questions, and not just for newbies. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 00:44:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5019106564A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:44:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F1F8FC0A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5O0iWlt078657 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5O0iWku078654 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:44:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Problem with web video X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:44:34 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, Carmel wrote: > I have been fighting a losing battle trying to get video to display > with Firefox. I just updated to the latest version 5;however, it still > does not work. This is on a FreeBSD-8.2 system. > > As an example, the following URL does not display the video or even the > portion where one would usually click on to start the video. > > http://front.moveon.org/bill-maher-if-our-policy-is-yeehaw-jesus-takes-the-wheel-were-dead-already/ > > This site works fine with IE-9 & Windows 7, so I know it does work. As > far as I can tell, I have all of the required packages installed. Works here with FreeBSD 8.2, i386, FF5, Flash installed as per the Handbook. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html#MOZ-FLASH-PLUGIN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 02:15:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9400F1065675 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3D18FC12 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so2456586vxg.13 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:15:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=XJ8M52FUSOfogfVYGN8zhv/PPetix8xR7sK8MR9FVa8=; b=ogiJKaNyWb0wVjHR4AbPsb9Wb2HGLRcWgeBplSKP/hPKWlUdc9z6Vkc8Bg/og3bSyp V6PmhmospNKuSyzar+1NPmKh94l+U8arRX7vSKnJw0IZ07/mSRNjEGtRMGU8i5tYh7pO oBaGpG0ziCbtJB8iAH62Q+fRI64Z4YYc7RCGY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=vtUUZwyCBeWaFsj8QHp5EqXIPEp9YeMjWl8y/g4iueQPLhZqEmqDi15CRwHLVTzD7X otQ+jiVMaqb7ST189aNgbJFYTKFj9aY+/PdV0G1MbJIRdT/f287ABgmZYxqxlbMJ6epp BhSI/sVYr5JWPTh19w0d0vSU9ukURTUvhw2Rs= Received: by 10.220.47.195 with SMTP id o3mr1029699vcf.101.1308881701296; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x15sm167423vcs.8.2011.06.23.19.15.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:14:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.4; i686; ; ) References: <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> <20110623201029.9b489db9.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20110623201029.9b489db9.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106232214.55439.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsimmons0@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:15:02 -0000 On Thursday, June 23, 2011 08:10:29 PM Randy Pratt wrote: > I don't think making a list writable only to subscribers solves > anything since it seems the spammers are already subscribed. This only > makes it difficult for others like myself who read the lists online and > only post occasionally. Making it writable to subscribers only in-and-of-itself does not solve the problem, but it is one of two things together that will fix the repeated spammer problem. The second is removing and banning offenders. Without making the list subscriber only there is no way to get rid of spammers. Additionally, for your situation, you can filter everything from the list to /dev/null. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 02:41:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF381106566B for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:41:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B18A8FC26 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:41:18 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1308883277; h=From:Subject:Date:To:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=W73+kbtM9NJIRyOJirwyWotSM8E=; b=n/2b8YB0V8INFmhlT+2rMNQOHxNLZkT+UTmAT+K7GAS+hjyjDze+yVQPAfL07QHg kCTl9TenlZL9LtDxAxCapPInAyRTLwbIUC9/DXlG/Ifp8QsWyBxVUXFut+FD/Q9t; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=e1eURaw3o2GcvYNcxnqm9TydJq70Gwlq6IkPTYJfkfo= c=1 sm=0 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=BhER33N8vDN0g5+N+wJ41A==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=KlBSdv2zZW97PZExLXcA:9 a=xRj1qhKBUyd3-_eTw0wA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=BhER33N8vDN0g5+N+wJ41A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=rpratt1950@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [74.4.54.98] ([74.4.54.98:49988] helo=tv.weeeble.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTPA id 51/D6-01155-D49F30E4; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:41:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:41:16 -0400 From: Randy Pratt To: rsimmons0@gmail.com Message-Id: <20110623224116.08d73206.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201106232214.55439.rsimmons0@gmail.com> References: <20110621074416.58869e66@scorpio> <201106212203.p5LM3NbI005159@fire.js.berklix.net> <20110623201029.9b489db9.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> <201106232214.55439.rsimmons0@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd list admins? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:41:18 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:14:55 -0400 Robert Simmons wrote: > On Thursday, June 23, 2011 08:10:29 PM Randy Pratt wrote: > > I don't think making a list writable only to subscribers solves > > anything since it seems the spammers are already subscribed. This only > > makes it difficult for others like myself who read the lists online and > > only post occasionally. > > Making it writable to subscribers only in-and-of-itself does not solve the > problem, but it is one of two things together that will fix the repeated > spammer problem. The second is removing and banning offenders. Without making > the list subscriber only there is no way to get rid of spammers. Additionally, > for your situation, you can filter everything from the list to /dev/null. I've been reading these lists for over 13 years, seen this discussion many times, and the list remained open. There were reasons for that which are in the archives if you're interested. I'm no longer an active committer so whatever @core decides is fine with me. I, however, would prefer to see it remain open. I'm done with this potentially endless discussion. Randy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 04:24:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52001065673 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 04:24:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from oceanpt.safeport.com (oceanpt.safeport.com [65.122.17.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645C38FC18 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 04:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oceanpt.safeport.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5O4OE3n008542 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:24:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:24:14 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (oceanpt.safeport.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Subject: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 04:24:16 -0000 I installed 8.2 from the DVD ISO. This install overwrote the MBR even though I selected not to write a boot record. Using the repair disk and/or bootrec does not work. The answer is found in http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/105541-startup-repair-run-3-separate-times.html. Basically you use diskpart to make sure that only the windows partition is marked active and then run the Startup Repair process 3 times. This is the only option that worked for me. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 05:10:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CC31065677 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:10:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterbsd@engineer.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 159198FC1E for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25424 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2011 05:10:20 -0000 Received: from 67.206.161.78 by rms-us015 with HTTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:10:15 +0000 From: "Dieter BSD" Message-ID: <20110624051018.320540@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #74169980 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: DCk2dgFOmCvxdUmKXTE2DtM7MTE2Ncnu Subject: Installing X11 gives perl version conflict X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:10:21 -0000 FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 Attempting to install X11 server. Attempt to install package xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.2.tbz gives conflict between perl-5.10.1_3 and perl-5.12.3 even when installing into clean directory tree. # mkdir /tmp/test_pkg_install # export PKG_DBDIR=/tmp/test_pkg_install/var/db/pkg # pkg_add -P /tmp/test_pkg_install/   xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.2.tbz ==== Note that some of the standard modules are provided as separate ports since they require extra dependencies: bsddb           databases/py-bsddb gdbm            databases/py-gdbm sqlite3         databases/py-sqlite3 tkinter         x11-toolkits/py-tkinter Install them as needed. ==== Removing stale symlinks from /usr/bin...    Removing /usr/bin/perl    Removing /usr/bin/perl5 Done. Creating various symlinks in /usr/bin...    Symlinking /tmp/test_pkg_install//bin/perl5.12.3 to /usr/bin/perl    Symlinking /tmp/test_pkg_install//bin/perl5.12.3 to /usr/bin/perl5 Done. Cleaning up /etc/make.conf... Done. Spamming /etc/make.conf... Done. Cleaning up /etc/manpath.config... Done. Spamming /etc/manpath.config... Done. Running fc-cache to build fontconfig cache... Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts: caching, new cache contents: 0 fonts, 1 dirs /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/local: caching, new cache contents: 0 fonts, 0 dirs /var/db/fontconfig: cleaning cache directory fc-cache: succeeded ***************************************************************** Although libxcb can yield dramatic improvements in speed, memory footprint, and responsiveness, and will probably become the default Xlib for X.org/freedesktop.org, it is still experimental software.  Some broken callers will abort() on locking assertion failures.  As a temporary workaround, set LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK in your environment to skip the abort(). This may result in noisy stacktrace printing. ***************************************************************** pkg_add: package 'perl-5.10.1_3' conflicts with perl-5.12.3 pkg_add: please use pkg_delete first to remove conflicting package(s) or -f to force installation pkg_add: autoload of dependency '/ro/dist/freebsd/freebsd_8.2/amd64/packages/perl-5.10.1_3.tbz' failed! pkg_add: autoload of dependency '/ro/dist/freebsd/freebsd_8.2/amd64/packages/glib-2.26.1_1.tbz' failed! pkg_add: package 'perl-5.10.1_3' conflicts with perl-5.12.3 pkg_add: please use pkg_delete first to remove conflicting package(s) or -f to force installation pkg_add: autoload of dependency '/ro/dist/freebsd/freebsd_8.2/amd64/packages/perl-5.10.1_3.tbz' failed! pkg_add: package 'perl-5.10.1_3' conflicts with perl-5.12.3 pkg_add: please use pkg_delete first to remove conflicting package(s) or -f to force installation pkg_add: autoload of dependency '/ro/dist/freebsd/freebsd_8.2/amd64/packages/perl-5.10.1_3.tbz' failed! pkg_add: autoload of dependency '/ro/dist/freebsd/freebsd_8.2/amd64/packages/glib-2.26.1_1.tbz' failed! pkg_add: autoload of dependency '/ro/dist/freebsd/freebsd_8.2/amd64/packages/gamin-0.1.10_4.tbz' failed! ... Hiding perl-5.10.1_3 from pkg_add doesn't work: pkg_add: could not find package perl-5.10.1_3 ! Hiding perl-5.12.3 from pkg_add doesn't work: pkg_add: could not find package perl-5.12.3 ! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 07:08:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B68F106566B for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6A18FC17 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2565548fxm.13 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.97.65 with SMTP id k1mr3980381fan.0.1308899321051; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (did75-17-88-165-130-96.fbx.proxad.net [88.165.130.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p3sm832799fan.21.2011.06.24.00.08.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:08:39 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:08:35 +0200 To: "doug@safeport.com" Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:08:43 -0000 On 24 Jun 2011, at 06:24, doug@safeport.com wrote: > I installed 8.2 from the DVD ISO. This install overwrote the MBR even thou= gh I selected not to write a boot record. Using the repair disk and/or bootr= ec does not work. >=20 > The answer is found in http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/105541-startup= -repair-run-3-separate-times.html. >=20 > Basically you use diskpart to make sure that only the windows partition is= marked active and then run the Startup Repair process 3 times. This is the o= nly option that worked for me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _____ > Douglas Denault > http://www.safeport.com > doug@safeport.com > Voice: 301-217-9220 > Fax: 301-217-9277 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" I can swear you chose to install a blank (empty) mbr as opposed to leaving t= he current one untouched. Happened to me once or twice ;)= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 10:45:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58DC106567A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:45:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AB18FC0C for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qa3da-0004Nw-O7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:29:32 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qa3dQ-0005bB-GR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:29:12 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5OATCea068657 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:29:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5OATC9t068656 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:29:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:29:11 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110624102911.GA68611@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: why "{" is treated as vi(1) section delimiter X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:45:12 -0000 vi(1) motion commands "]]" and "[[" move to beginning of next or previous section respectively. Using vi(1) ":set sect" command I can verify that a section in my case is set to: sections="NHSHH HUnhsh" Why then on a *.tex file the above motion commands move to "{" in the first column? For example, in this file: 1 It is possible to show using linear algebra that Tresca cylinder has 2 a hexagon as a base, and von Mises condition has a circle. Because 3 neither is dependent on the volumetric stress, it is convenient to 4 plot stress states on 2D plane normal to $\sigma_{kk}=0$ plane, 5 {\em deviatoric plane}, see Fig. \ref{fig:plane} 6 7 \begin{figure}[htb] 8 \centerline{\includegraphics[width=6cm]{./figs/yield_plane.pdf}} 9 \caption{Tresca hexagon and von Mises circle on the deviatoric plane.} 10 \label{fig:plane} 11 \end{figure} 12 vi "[[" or "]]" move to line 5. Many thanks -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 10:46:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A021065670 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92BE8FC1E for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B210F50DF6; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:33:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (techunter.webrz.net [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 29D725093D; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:33:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E0467F6.7040300@webrz.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:33:26 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <4E0344DD.7030809@webrz.net> <4E0345D9.20803@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4E0345D9.20803@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Cc: Subject: Re: Spamassassin not working after update of Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:46:27 -0000 Hi Damien, What I don't understand is that if I already are on 15.4 and there is an update to 15.4.1 I have to perform always a 'portupgrade -fr perl' to have this work? Normally this only goes for 15.3 to 15.4 (full version upgrade) or do I miss something here? Thanks for your help Jos Chrispijn Damien Fleuriot: > On 6/23/11 3:51 PM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: >> I have updated my Perl version yesterday but now my Spamd doesn't work >> anymore. >> Can someone hint me how to solve this? >> >> thanks, >> Jos Chrispijn >> >> Pls see output: >> >> Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >> >> Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >> >> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. >> >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. >> Compilation failed in require at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >> Compilation failed in require at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. >> ClamAV update process started at Thu Jun 23 15:43:00 2011 >> main.cld is up to date (version: 53, sigs: 846214, f-level: 53, builder: >> sven) >> daily.cld is up to date (version: 13231, sigs: 130699, f-level: 60, >> builder: arnaud) >> bytecode.cld is up to date (version: 143, sigs: 40, f-level: 60, >> builder: edwin) >> spamd not running? (check /var/run/spamd/spamd.pid). >> Starting spamd. >> >> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. >> >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. >> Compilation failed in require at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >> Compilation failed in require at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. >> >> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. >> >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm line 25. >> Compilation failed in require at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >> Compilation failed in require at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. >> >> --- cut --- >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > Just to make really sure, did you check for any notes in UPDATING > regarding perl ? > > Also, have you run perl-after-update ? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 11:04:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3B7106566B for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nec556@retena.com) Received: from resmaa14.ono.com (smtp14.ono.com [62.42.230.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4585E8FC12 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GogPortatil.retena.com (188.76.3.184) by resmaa14.ono.com (8.5.113) (authenticated as nec556@retena.com) id 4D7F86D5012E084A; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:04:41 +0200 Message-ID: <4D7F86D5012E084A@> (added by postmaster@resmaa14.ono.com) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:04:45 +0200 To: Damien Fleuriot From: Eduardo Morras In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1388 [1513/3723] Cc: doug@safeport.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:04:51 -0000 At 09:08 24/06/2011, you wrote: >On 24 Jun 2011, at 06:24, doug@safeport.com wrote: > > > I installed 8.2 from the DVD ISO. This install overwrote the MBR > even though I selected not to write a boot record. Using the repair > disk and/or bootrec does not work. > > > > The answer is found in > http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/105541-startup-repair-run-3-separate-times.html. > > > > Basically you use diskpart to make sure that only the windows > partition is marked active and then run the Startup Repair process > 3 times. This is the only option that worked for me. > >I can swear you chose to install a blank (empty) mbr as opposed to >leaving the current one untouched. No, i had the same problem on my laptop. It's a known issue in sysinstall since 6.x version that on some systems, no matter what you select, it always erase the mbr. For doug, you can use Hiren's Boot to start Windows. In fact, you can use it as a hidden partition system, without it, it won't startup. HTH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 11:39:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DB9106564A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8343E8FC16 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (tor4.anonymizer.ccc.de [80.237.226.74]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77E825BD8 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:15:29 +0400 (MSD) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:38:52 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110624113852.GA11661@external.screwed.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: perl modules included in core perl distribution dupe the portinstalled ones X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:39:08 -0000 Concrete jungle, oh freebsd-questions, you've got to do your best... I'm sorry I put this not into the -perl@ list because there are too many robots there. As far as I see the secondary major number change of the perl version can lead the user to the strange situations as more and more modules are being included into the perl distrinution itself. Combined with the previously installed version from ports they don't seem to be taken care of even by perl-after-upgrade(1). I've just struggled with the recurring problem of (dualvar|weaken|etc) 'is only available with the XS version of Scalar::Util' with a kind of a very simple solution of pkg_delete of p5-Scalar-List-Utils for perl5.14. By far there is a lot of such a modules, next aforeknown is CGI.pm. Although it's not an XS module to make such a size of a trouble but I'm pretty sure there are the ones there. Is it a known thing for me to quickly detect those duplicate modules packages and delete tthem and fix the packages dependent on them or it's a stuff to be made yet? Thank you. 73! 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 12:41:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8E7106564A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:41:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFBC8FC0A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg24 with SMTP id 24so152056wyg.13 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.61.148 with SMTP id t20mr3100844wbh.103.1308919276116; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c17sm1981063wbh.63.2011.06.24.05.41.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E0485E9.8010708@my.gd> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:41:13 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jos Chrispijn References: <4E0344DD.7030809@webrz.net> <4E0345D9.20803@my.gd> <4E0467F6.7040300@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <4E0467F6.7040300@webrz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Spamassassin not working after update of Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:41:17 -0000 Normally, any special care to be taken while upgrading your port should be noted in UPDATING. However, it's always prudent to rebuild dependencies when upgrading a port, because you never know what changed (unless you take the time to check the changelog + source code). On 6/24/11 12:33 PM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Hi Damien, > > What I don't understand is that if I already are on 15.4 and there is an > update to 15.4.1 I have to perform always a 'portupgrade -fr perl' to > have this work? > Normally this only goes for 15.3 to 15.4 (full version upgrade) or do I > miss something here? > > Thanks for your help > Jos Chrispijn > > Damien Fleuriot: >> On 6/23/11 3:51 PM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: >>> I have updated my Perl version yesterday but now my Spamd doesn't work >>> anymore. >>> Can someone hint me how to solve this? >>> >>> thanks, >>> Jos Chrispijn >>> >>> Pls see output: >>> >>> Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>> >>> Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>> >>> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>> line 25. >>> >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>> line 25. >>> Compilation failed in require at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>> Compilation failed in require at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line >>> 80. >>> ClamAV update process started at Thu Jun 23 15:43:00 2011 >>> main.cld is up to date (version: 53, sigs: 846214, f-level: 53, builder: >>> sven) >>> daily.cld is up to date (version: 13231, sigs: 130699, f-level: 60, >>> builder: arnaud) >>> bytecode.cld is up to date (version: 143, sigs: 40, f-level: 60, >>> builder: edwin) >>> spamd not running? (check /var/run/spamd/spamd.pid). >>> Starting spamd. >>> >>> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>> line 25. >>> >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>> line 25. >>> Compilation failed in require at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>> Compilation failed in require at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. >>> >>> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>> line 25. >>> >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>> line 25. >>> Compilation failed in require at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>> Compilation failed in require at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. >>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line >>> 80. >>> >>> --- cut --- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> >> Just to make really sure, did you check for any notes in UPDATING >> regarding perl ? >> >> Also, have you run perl-after-update ? >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 12:59:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B419E106566B for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:59:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2407C8FC17 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA0950887; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:59:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (techunter.webrz.net [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1D34A5082C; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:59:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E048A32.50908@webrz.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:59:30 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4E0344DD.7030809@webrz.net> <4E0345D9.20803@my.gd> <4E0467F6.7040300@webrz.net> <4E0485E9.8010708@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4E0485E9.8010708@my.gd> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Spamassassin not working after update of Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:59:22 -0000 So true. I have processed as you suggested and will follow that + the UPDATING suggestion as well in future. Just got on wrong track that this scenario should be used with 5.14 to 5.14.x as well. FYI: After running sa-update -D sa-update --nogpg spamassassin --lint -D freshclam I got at the end a warning, saying: warn: Use of uninitialized value $opt{"syslog-socket"} in lc at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 44 Found out that this is a minor thing and fixed *in* 3.3.2 and *in* trunk. BR, Jos Chrispijn Damien Fleuriot: > Normally, any special care to be taken while upgrading your port should > be noted in UPDATING. > > However, it's always prudent to rebuild dependencies when upgrading a > port, because you never know what changed (unless you take the time to > check the changelog + source code). > > > On 6/24/11 12:33 PM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: >> Hi Damien, >> >> What I don't understand is that if I already are on 15.4 and there is an >> update to 15.4.1 I have to perform always a 'portupgrade -fr perl' to >> have this work? >> Normally this only goes for 15.3 to 15.4 (full version upgrade) or do I >> miss something here? >> >> Thanks for your help >> Jos Chrispijn >> >> Damien Fleuriot: >>> On 6/23/11 3:51 PM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: >>>> I have updated my Perl version yesterday but now my Spamd doesn't work >>>> anymore. >>>> Can someone hint me how to solve this? >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Jos Chrispijn >>>> >>>> Pls see output: >>>> >>>> Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>>> >>>> Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>>> >>>> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line >>>> 80. >>>> ClamAV update process started at Thu Jun 23 15:43:00 2011 >>>> main.cld is up to date (version: 53, sigs: 846214, f-level: 53, builder: >>>> sven) >>>> daily.cld is up to date (version: 13231, sigs: 130699, f-level: 60, >>>> builder: arnaud) >>>> bytecode.cld is up to date (version: 143, sigs: 40, f-level: 60, >>>> builder: edwin) >>>> spamd not running? (check /var/run/spamd/spamd.pid). >>>> Starting spamd. >>>> >>>> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. >>>> >>>> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line >>>> 80. >>>> >>>> --- cut --- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >>> >>> Just to make really sure, did you check for any notes in UPDATING >>> regarding perl ? >>> >>> Also, have you run perl-after-update ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 13:11:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB293106564A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:11:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kernel@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE668FC17 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B64750887; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:11:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (techunter.webrz.net [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6C3DE5082C; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:11:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E048D1F.8070903@webrz.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:11:59 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Damien Fleuriot X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Spamassassin not working after update of Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:11:51 -0000 So true. I have processed as you suggested and will follow that + the UPDATING suggestion as well in future. Just got on wrong track that this scenario should be used with 5.14 to 5.14.x as well. FYI: After running sa-update -D sa-update --nogpg spamassassin --lint -D freshclam I got at the end a warning, saying: warn: Use of uninitialized value $opt{"syslog-socket"} in lc at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 44 Found out that this is a minor thing and fixed *in* 3.3.2 and *in* trunk. BR, Jos Chrispijn Damien Fleuriot: > Normally, any special care to be taken while upgrading your port should > be noted in UPDATING. > > However, it's always prudent to rebuild dependencies when upgrading a > port, because you never know what changed (unless you take the time to > check the changelog + source code). > > > On 6/24/11 12:33 PM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: >> Hi Damien, >> >> What I don't understand is that if I already are on 15.4 and there is an >> update to 15.4.1 I have to perform always a 'portupgrade -fr perl' to >> have this work? >> Normally this only goes for 15.3 to 15.4 (full version upgrade) or do I >> miss something here? >> >> Thanks for your help >> Jos Chrispijn >> >> Damien Fleuriot: >>> On 6/23/11 3:51 PM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: >>>> I have updated my Perl version yesterday but now my Spamd doesn't work >>>> anymore. >>>> Can someone hint me how to solve this? >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Jos Chrispijn >>>> >>>> Pls see output: >>>> >>>> Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>>> >>>> Can't locate Net/DNS.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/sa-update line 80. >>>> >>>> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line >>>> 80. >>>> ClamAV update process started at Thu Jun 23 15:43:00 2011 >>>> main.cld is up to date (version: 53, sigs: 846214, f-level: 53, builder: >>>> sven) >>>> daily.cld is up to date (version: 13231, sigs: 130699, f-level: 60, >>>> builder: arnaud) >>>> bytecode.cld is up to date (version: 143, sigs: 40, f-level: 60, >>>> builder: edwin) >>>> spamd not running? (check /var/run/spamd/spamd.pid). >>>> Starting spamd. >>>> >>>> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamd line 85. >>>> >>>> Can't locate NetAddr/IP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/BSDPAN >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1/mach >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.14.1) at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/NetSet.pm >>>> line 25. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Conf.pm line 86. >>>> Compilation failed in require at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >>>> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 71. >>>> Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line 80. >>>> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/spamassassin line >>>> 80. >>>> >>>> --- cut --- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >>> Just to make really sure, did you check for any notes in UPDATING >>> regarding perl ? >>> >>> Also, have you run perl-after-update ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 14:36:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0733106567F for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from oceanpt.safeport.com (oceanpt.safeport.com [65.122.17.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCDC8FC20 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oceanpt.safeport.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5OEaw8K027186 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:36:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:36:58 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4D7F86D5012E084A@> (added by postmaster@resmaa14.ono.com) Message-ID: References: <4D7F86D5012E084A@> (added by postmaster@resmaa14.ono.com) User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (oceanpt.safeport.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Subject: Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:36:59 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, Eduardo Morras wrote: > At 09:08 24/06/2011, you wrote: >> On 24 Jun 2011, at 06:24, doug@safeport.com wrote: >> >> > I installed 8.2 from the DVD ISO. This install overwrote the MBR even >> though I selected not to write a boot record. Using the repair disk and/or >> bootrec does not work. >> > >> > The answer is found in >> http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/105541-startup-repair-run-3-separate-times.html. >> > >> > Basically you use diskpart to make sure that only the windows partition >> is marked active and then run the Startup Repair process 3 times. This is >> the only option that worked for me. >> >> I can swear you chose to install a blank (empty) mbr as opposed to leaving >> the current one untouched. > > No, i had the same problem on my laptop. It's a known issue in sysinstall > since 6.x version that on some systems, no matter what you select, it always > erase the mbr. > > For doug, you can use Hiren's Boot to start Windows. In fact, you can use it > as a hidden partition system, without it, it won't startup. Well for me it all worked well for all versions of FreeBSD until Windows 7. My main purpose was to document the link given to me by a friend who does user support for a local college. Before Vista the boot process was pretty simple, the MBR was one sector on sector 0, track 0 and it read the first sector of the target partition who took it from there. My experience with FreeBSD 7.0 to present has been that the install does not work with Windows 7. It appears that the MBR can still only have 4 entries. Windows 7 gets more by using extended partitions. Dell, the there can be only one and let it be Windows company, uses two small partitions for something. It may be that some of that underlying stuff is not needed but I had enough trouble without without making changes at that level. If FreeBSD can be installed in an extended partition, that would be a very useful howto. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 14:49:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2061065670 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from mail.mroute.net (lax-gw09.mailroute.net [199.89.0.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E858FC1E for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614A61385BE; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:49:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by lax-gw09.mroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A66A1384EF; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:49:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 820F1473D; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:49:13 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: "Dieter BSD" References: <20110624051018.320540@gmx.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.18.8.14; tzolkin = 4 Ix; haab = 2 Tzec Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:49:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20110624051018.320540@gmx.com> (Dieter BSD's message of "Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:10:15 +0000") Message-ID: <86k4cbnv2u.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing X11 gives perl version conflict X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:49:15 -0000 >>>>> "Dieter" == Dieter BSD writes: Dieter> Attempt to install package xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.2.tbz Dieter> gives conflict between perl-5.10.1_3 and perl-5.12.3 Dieter> even when installing into clean directory tree. Packages seem like a great idea when you get started, but they're all built with the default configs, and those don't necessarily line up. Always build from source. Always build from source. When you installed 5.12 Perl, it put a marker in /etc/make.conf such that had you built the xf86-video-fbdev from source, it would have depended on 5.12 Perl, not the 5.10 Perl baked in to the default package. Do that, and all will be well. Yes, I had to learn this the hard way a year ago, so now I pass along that knowledge. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 14:58:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5DE106564A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9DF8FC14 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5OEwlPf092318 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:58:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5OEwlmn092315 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:58:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com X-X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <86k4cbnv2u.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: References: <20110624051018.320540@gmx.com> <86k4cbnv2u.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Installing X11 gives perl version conflict X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:58:48 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Dieter" == Dieter BSD writes: > > Dieter> Attempt to install package xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.2.tbz > Dieter> gives conflict between perl-5.10.1_3 and perl-5.12.3 > Dieter> even when installing into clean directory tree. > > Packages seem like a great idea when you get started, but they're all > built with the default configs, and those don't necessarily line up. > > Always build from source. Always build from source. > > When you installed 5.12 Perl, it put a marker in /etc/make.conf such > that had you built the xf86-video-fbdev from source, it would have > depended on 5.12 Perl, not the 5.10 Perl baked in to the default > package. Do that, and all will be well. > > Yes, I had to learn this the hard way a year ago, so now I pass along > that knowledge. :) > I had the same error. Can the Make files either have this as a warning or change the dependency to be any Perl5, or whatever the 'real' dependency is? This was not an issue before Perl was removed from the base system and Xorg was split into its 200 (or so) component parts. For me using an 80MHz processor with 512MB of memory (a perfectly good workstation BTW runs KDE-lite just fine) building is not an option. If I started June 1, I might be done in time for the fireworks :) My solution was just to start from scratch (about 2-3 hours). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 15:19:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92641065670 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51E48FC14 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qa8AM-0002bh-90 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:19:30 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:19:30 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:19:30 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:20:46 -0400 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <20110624051018.320540@gmx.com> <86k4cbnv2u.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Installing X11 gives perl version conflict X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:19:32 -0000 doug@safeport.com wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>>>> "Dieter" == Dieter BSD writes: >> >> Dieter> Attempt to install package xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.2.tbz >> Dieter> gives conflict between perl-5.10.1_3 and perl-5.12.3 >> Dieter> even when installing into clean directory tree. >> >> Packages seem like a great idea when you get started, but they're all >> built with the default configs, and those don't necessarily line up. >> >> Always build from source. Always build from source. >> >> When you installed 5.12 Perl, it put a marker in /etc/make.conf such >> that had you built the xf86-video-fbdev from source, it would have >> depended on 5.12 Perl, not the 5.10 Perl baked in to the default >> package. Do that, and all will be well. >> >> Yes, I had to learn this the hard way a year ago, so now I pass along >> that knowledge. :) >> > I had the same error. Can the Make files either have this as a warning or > change the dependency to be any Perl5, or whatever the 'real' dependency > is? This was not an issue before Perl was removed from the base system and > Xorg was split into its 200 (or so) component parts. > Read /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.perl.mk. I think mostly many of the variables contained within may be set in /etc/make.conf and can be picked up at build time by make. Particularly interesting were PERL_VERSION, PERL_PORT, and USE_PERL, for example. Reading down into the contents will point to how the variables get used. -Mike [snip] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 16:22:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8347D1065670 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:22:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4798FC1D for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg24 with SMTP id 24so335976wyg.13 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:22:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ca8pMhf9onTl71jEF3Hbukv7FPkE970axyLI5Ovb4Jo=; b=VBWOCvtWGF9v3XiDiz1IYOG/AMpqYvZY0h8uemDkNk3zMh1w2FNqnlAgHMlKI+1TqY 9nELVNcvDg51sX/EADAcMWda6D+zDMH0O96fWSiF1FMLZR7YyK13jbWf8aBv/ZHoASkL 01sXUBiRyabNhU5B8t9F8nRsJdeXB6Z7liReQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=i+ljNxKjCRHlumCBLOvzwenLt055+zwcZ/lHS7V5I8SYfj2Ysw5EOixIbiTYEP8qjk /iJi1pRHKuVwi9kW1m7Wue0mmYFKE2SORYy6feA6PSlbbeZMvGJNWfaVmAPQD2InNOkK JcacvISdx3qw5hfH8a1aeXKMCkbB5J2VG6Q64= Received: by 10.216.235.22 with SMTP id t22mr820165weq.89.1308932545904; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fm6sm2119276wbb.61.2011.06.24.09.22.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:22:21 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110624172221.137a8331@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20110624051018.320540@gmx.com> <86k4cbnv2u.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Installing X11 gives perl version conflict X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:22:27 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:20:46 -0400 Michael Powell wrote: > Read /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.perl.mk. I think mostly many of the variables > contained within may be set in /etc/make.conf and can be picked up at > build time by make. Particularly interesting were PERL_VERSION, > PERL_PORT, and USE_PERL, for example. Reading down into the contents > will point to how the variables get used. I don't think any of this is very relevant - except as general background . The problem as I see it is that he is installing packages that aren't built from the same tree. One of the dependencies of xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.2 was built when perl 5.10 was the default and one after the default switched to perl 5.12. If building isn't an option then it's better to stick to one release trees at a time. That still leave the problem to dealing with vulnerabilities as best you can, but there is not a simple answer. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 17:00:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2ED106567D for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterbsd@engineer.com) Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE3A18FC08 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20230 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2011 17:00:56 -0000 Received: from 67.206.185.48 by rms-us005.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:00:53 +0000 From: "Dieter BSD" Message-ID: <20110624170055.313300@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #74169980 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 9fQxfxcSy1u0cEqNWWwnRt5sZ2hlNwrF Subject: Re: Installing X11 gives perl version conflict X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:00:58 -0000 Dieter> Attempt to install package xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.2.tbz Dieter> gives conflict between perl-5.10.1_3 and perl-5.12.3 Dieter> even when installing into clean directory tree. Randal> Packages seem like a great idea when you get started, Randal> but they're all built with the default configs, and Randal> those don't necessarily line up. Randal> Always build from source.  Always build from source. Except that I switched from ports to packages awhile back because I was having so many problems building ports, and packages was, until now, working much better. I'm not even sure if I need xf86-video-fbdev or not? I was just trying to make Xorg happy. A few lines grepped from dmesg: port 0xac00-0xacff mem 0xfa000000-0xfaffffff,0xfdfff000-0xfdffffff irq 19 at device 5.0 on pci1 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x100> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 # Xorg -configure -logverbose 100 (--) PCI:*(0:1:5:0) 1002:4752:1002:8008 ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL rev 39, Mem @ 0xfa000000/16777216, 0xfdfff000/4096, I/O @ 0x0000ac00/256, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 [ ... ] List of video drivers:        ati        radeon        r128 (II) LoadModule: "ati" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"        compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 6.14.1        Module class: X.Org Video Driver        ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0 (II) LoadModule: "radeon" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"        compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 6.14.1        Module class: X.Org Video Driver        ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0 (II) LoadModule: "r128" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/r128_drv.so (II) Module r128: vendor="X.Org Foundation"        compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 6.8.1        Module class: X.Org Video Driver        ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0 (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01@00:05:0 No devices to configure.  Configuration failed. No devices?  What about sc0 ? Google found several suggestions to just try Xorg without -configure, so: # Xorg  -logverbose 100 (II) Cannot locate a core pointer device. (II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device. (II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices.        If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable AutoAddDevices. [ ... ] (II) LoadModule: "mach64" (WW) Warning, couldn't open module mach64 (II) UnloadModule: "mach64" (EE) Failed to load module "mach64" (module does not exist, 0) (II) LoadModule: "vesa" (WW) Warning, couldn't open module vesa (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" (EE) Failed to load module "vesa" (module does not exist, 0) (II) LoadModule: "fbdev" (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fbdev (II) UnloadModule: "fbdev" (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No drivers available. Fatal server error: no screens found The console said: Starting dbus. Starting hald. ps says: messagebus   924  0.0  0.0  8124  1420  ??  Is    9:29PM   0:00.00 /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon --system ps doesn't find a hald running? I have no clue how to reconfigure HAL or disable AutoAddDevices. Can't I just tell Xorg to use sc0 kbd0 and psm0 ? The man pages don't mention how to do this.  I'm also not sure which driver it should be using.  The r128 man page doesn't explicitly list the RAGE XL.  Xorg without -configure doesn't mention r128. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 17:18:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534C3106566B for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:18:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterbsd@engineer.com) Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CACC88FC17 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25210 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2011 17:18:33 -0000 Received: from 67.206.185.48 by rms-us004.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:18:28 +0000 From: "Dieter BSD" Message-ID: <20110624171830.313260@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #74169980 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 0f4yf2xJxHSOAEqJDnM3ZuVCWkZTQRSW Subject: Re: Installing X11 gives perl version conflict X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:18:35 -0000 RW> The problem as I see it is that he is installing packages that RW> aren't built from the same tree. One of the dependencies of RW> xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.2 was  built when perl 5.10 was the default RW> and one after the default switched to perl 5.12. RW> If building isn't an option then it's better to stick to one RW> release trees at a time. I think you are correct.  How does one stick to one release tree? As I recall the CD/DVDs have a very small subset of ports/packages. The ftp sites have the full set, but are not static.  Some packages disappear, so you have no choice but to use a newer version. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 18:19:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3E41065676 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5758FC18 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5OIJlei029340; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:19:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5OIJkB7029337; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:19:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: doug To: Michael Powell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20110624051018.320540@gmx.com> <86k4cbnv2u.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing X11 gives perl version conflict X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:19:48 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, Michael Powell wrote: > doug@safeport.com wrote: > >> On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> >>>>>>>> "Dieter" == Dieter BSD writes: >>> >>> Dieter> Attempt to install package xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.2.tbz >>> Dieter> gives conflict between perl-5.10.1_3 and perl-5.12.3 >>> Dieter> even when installing into clean directory tree. >>> >>> Packages seem like a great idea when you get started, but they're all >>> built with the default configs, and those don't necessarily line up. >>> >>> Always build from source. Always build from source. >>> >>> When you installed 5.12 Perl, it put a marker in /etc/make.conf such >>> that had you built the xf86-video-fbdev from source, it would have >>> depended on 5.12 Perl, not the 5.10 Perl baked in to the default >>> package. Do that, and all will be well. >>> >>> Yes, I had to learn this the hard way a year ago, so now I pass along >>> that knowledge. :) >>> >> I had the same error. Can the Make files either have this as a warning or >> change the dependency to be any Perl5, or whatever the 'real' dependency >> is? This was not an issue before Perl was removed from the base system and >> Xorg was split into its 200 (or so) component parts. >> > > Read /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.perl.mk. I think mostly many of the variables > contained within may be set in /etc/make.conf and can be picked up at build > time by make. Particularly interesting were PERL_VERSION, PERL_PORT, and > USE_PERL, for example. Reading down into the contents will point to how the > variables get used. > C o o l - thanks Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 18:46:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1AA1065670 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redtick@sbcglobal.net) Received: from nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E195B8FC12 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2011 18:46:06 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.102] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2011 18:46:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2011 18:46:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 390342.80263.bm@omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 52278 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2011 18:46:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1308941166; bh=1nvZNsYFIDHo+OQ87CCLf84N9eZRhCfZyo8Q/E6l2SI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sx1uT2rZEko6rLVb9BDr5WFjfHWvx3PSGjS2YXTUmDi7ficZcsRiOsCmB0h9lNQ3cQ6MYZFE0cILEvvP/XuLJQTwxGvY1TxZU2qWCm3ZA1pUTrNVTTTNLwOLW+3Ls2wGInGPfpUxshbrF6Mtyh/qsy/5KkAhpSNmuXz3rI8vVdY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mqjn/S12NZPo5dBEeFMGeID3H9tUZAhhuLRAdEY+h7+xo+QwIfloPoVTwieeu9eQKIUybTHQiBq6GkNhOvgk7AFbRUZ0qWBdSdiDcF+maHGPsJi96ZsvQGH9Ekk3TD5LV/necqtn4vElg25AJJ90fySYiHw0pxfeHv3NTFz5tf4=; Message-ID: <152319.41054.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KauOst4VM1kukh3Gh04kcYXYbATOHzl_n.de2q9a50wxZMR th.iYHklh6ygbpwdD935RA8LU0xywgy9b.WICcSZGc7cPzApHbO2shNVqCmD dhqRAK.UV8QfwPLb4..i5SBZjJqR7TGzCmINvV3H2p3ktkyfe9_6y0PjP79W amRQzkY7x0LKGqPmSVzAYMCQJebsN.iLW64j_J0Uy1VFQkPHDAYqEllpmkKb 7z0_zFjw88rgSjnjiIIdeuKTy8z2EOKzRybs1MkAA7mDTHHsYVPvHr50btq. 2Z.PUyQZ7u2pUIJPwb2MWkj9sp3hSVNJ1rWFzZ94IDXurSuuQH61RMf3TQiW lwgAjkbBFE5vY0oX.ezu2eBBFyyQDKujCKkywixovmaMyNh1oqf4kbWzsU6x 0Zm1qwpcVzj.lhsPabL1h53TZxWH5pyFQkGqmuGqJxkf7nDWu3uv4lI_x84p Y4VnzodmSFmE- Received: from [75.41.234.83] by web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:46:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:46:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark To: Torfinn Ingolfsen In-Reply-To: <20110624194707.df1f49de.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: help help Subject: Re: mythtv 0.23.1 and the pvr250 driver - testing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:46:07 -0000 > From: Torfinn Ingolfsen > Subject: Re: mythtv 0.23.1 and the pvr250 driver - testing > To: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.org > Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 12:47 PM > On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:27:51 +0200 > Torfinn Ingolfsen > wrote: >=20 > > Hello, > > Today I tried to test MythTV 0.23.1 from ports (I used > portdowngrade) > > on my test machine[1], which has a PVR-350 card, and I > use the pvr250 driver from ports.=20 > > As before; the card and driver is tested with mplayer > and works fine. > > Details: > > root@kg-quiet# uname -a > > FreeBSD kg-quiet.kg4.no 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE > #0: Sun Apr=A0 3 19:49:05 CEST 2011=A0 > =A0=A0=A0root@kg-quiet.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC=A0 > amd64 > > root@kg-quiet# pv | grep pvr > > pvr250-20101010_1=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > =A0=A0=A0=3D=A0 up-to-date with port=20 > > root@kg-quiet# pv | grep mythtv > > mythtv-0.23.1=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > =A0=A0=A0<=A0 needs updating (port has > 0.24.1_1)=20 > >=20 > > This time, it apperas that mythtv-setup has problems > with upgrading the db schema. > > (I deleted the database, since it was newer than 0.23, > and ran mysql -uroot -p < > /usr/local/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql first). > > >From the shell where mythtv-setup is running: > >=20 > > 2011-06-05 22:07:51.171 Inserting MythTV initial > database information. > > 2011-06-05 22:07:51.171 New DB connection, total: 3 > > 2011-06-05 22:07:51.172 Connected to database > 'mythconverg' at host: localhost > > 2011-06-05 22:07:51.172 Upgrading to MythTV schema > version 1226 > >=20 > > and then mythtv-setup just sits there, nothing more > happening. > > Any hints on how to fix that? >=20 > Nobody has any hints? > --=20 > Torfinn >=20 When you "drop database" it does not change the permissions on the database= you dropped. Check out "grant" if you have not used it. I know just enough about mysql to get into trouble. =3D) HTH=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 19:09:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8044A1065670 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:09:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nec556@retena.com) Received: from resmaa13.ono.com (smtp13.ono.com [62.42.230.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1572B8FC08 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GogPortatil.retena.com (188.76.3.184) by resmaa13.ono.com (8.5.113) (authenticated as nec556@retena.com) id 4D6348DC01680F12; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:09:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4D6348DC01680F12@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:09:23 +0200 To: doug@safeport.com,freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Eduardo Morras In-Reply-To: References: <4D7F86D5012E084A@> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1388 [1513/3723] Cc: Subject: Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:09:27 -0000 At 16:36 24/06/2011, doug@safeport.com wrote: >Well for me it all worked well for all versions of FreeBSD until >Windows 7. My main purpose was to document the link given to me by a >friend who does user support for a local college. Before Vista the >boot process was pretty simple, the MBR was one sector on sector 0, >track 0 and it read the first sector of the target partition who >took it from there. > >My experience with FreeBSD 7.0 to present has been that the install >does not work with Windows 7. It appears that the MBR can still only >have 4 entries. Windows 7 gets more by using extended partitions. >Dell, the there can be only one and let it be Windows company, uses >two small partitions for something. It may be that some of that >underlying stuff is not needed but I had enough trouble without >without making changes at that level. In Vista the way that Windows start changed. The MBR points to a file inside the Windows partition that have the partition scheme. It's called BCD. You can install EasyBCD in windows (it's freeware with commercial licence) that permits you to start Windows and other OS inside other partitions. I use it in my trial? Win7/FreeBSD8.2/OpenBSD4.9 server and dual Win7/FreeBSD8.2 laptop. http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 >If FreeBSD can be installed in an extended partition, that would be >a very useful howto. Don't know about it, perhaps using easybcd you can do that HTH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 19:19:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D3B106564A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from oceanpt.safeport.com (oceanpt.safeport.com [65.122.17.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4048FC13 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oceanpt.safeport.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5OJItRg035133; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:18:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:18:55 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com To: Eduardo Morras In-Reply-To: <4D6348DC01680F12@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) Message-ID: References: <4D7F86D5012E084A@> <4D6348DC01680F12@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (oceanpt.safeport.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:19:00 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, Eduardo Morras wrote: > At 16:36 24/06/2011, doug@safeport.com wrote: >> Well for me it all worked well for all versions of FreeBSD until Windows 7. >> My main purpose was to document the link given to me by a friend who does >> user support for a local college. Before Vista the boot process was pretty >> simple, the MBR was one sector on sector 0, track 0 and it read the first >> sector of the target partition who took it from there. >> >> My experience with FreeBSD 7.0 to present has been that the install does >> not work with Windows 7. It appears that the MBR can still only have 4 >> entries. Windows 7 gets more by using extended partitions. Dell, the there >> can be only one and let it be Windows company, uses two small partitions >> for something. It may be that some of that underlying stuff is not needed >> but I had enough trouble without without making changes at that level. > > In Vista the way that Windows start changed. The MBR points to a file inside > the Windows partition that have the partition scheme. It's called BCD. You > can install EasyBCD in windows (it's freeware with commercial licence) that > permits you to start Windows and other OS inside other partitions. I use it > in my trial? Win7/FreeBSD8.2/OpenBSD4.9 server and dual Win7/FreeBSD8.2 > laptop. > > http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 > >> If FreeBSD can be installed in an extended partition, that would be a very >> useful howto. > > Don't know about it, perhaps using easybcd you can do that Perhaps but I could not get FreeBSD in an extended partition. I am using easyBCD to do the dual boot. In doing what I did I never distrubed the boot records in the partitions. Once I got the MBR and the windows 7 second level boot code restored, it all worked as advertised. The trick as outlined in the link to to run the process 3 times booting after each time. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 22:05:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBA4106564A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:05:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2F48FC08 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1F53CC93; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 00:05:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5OM55dv002104; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 00:05:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 00:05:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <20110625000505.ea1858d0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110624102911.GA68611@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20110624102911.GA68611@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why "{" is treated as vi(1) section delimiter X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:05:08 -0000 An idea that doesn't solve the problem, but may provide an idea for a workaround by changing the setting: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:29:11 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > Why then on a *.tex file the above motion > commands move to "{" in the first column? > > For example, in this file: > > 1 It is possible to show using linear algebra that Tresca cylinder has > 2 a hexagon as a base, and von Mises condition has a circle. Because > 3 neither is dependent on the volumetric stress, it is convenient to > 4 plot stress states on 2D plane normal to $\sigma_{kk}=0$ plane, > 5 {\em deviatoric plane}, see Fig. \ref{fig:plane} > 6 > 7 \begin{figure}[htb] > 8 \centerline{\includegraphics[width=6cm]{./figs/yield_plane.pdf}} > 9 \caption{Tresca hexagon and von Mises circle on the deviatoric plane.} > 10 \label{fig:plane} > 11 \end{figure} > 12 > > vi "[[" or "]]" move to line 5. Maybe I'm the wrong person to say that, but I'm "doing it wrong" all the time: You are using \em, scoped by { ... } to emphasize text. The recommended way is to use \textem{ ... }. If you try to use the "non-fragile" LaTeX command instead of the "low level" TeX macros, can you change the behaviour regarding the delimiters? If you want to keep the \em macro, you could remove the scope given by { and } and end the emphasized sequence by \rm, falling back to "normal" roman typeface. But as I said, I'm using {\em ...}, {\bf ...}, {\tt ...} and so on on a regular basis. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 22:51:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C54C1065674 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07538FC15 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber7.nber.org (nber7.nber.org [66.251.72.41]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5OMpbI5091311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:51:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber7.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5OMpbmw032626; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:51:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nber7.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110625 #5633758, check: 20110624 clean Cc: Subject: SAS controller for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:51:41 -0000 We have been using ZFS under FreeBSD for a while, and are very pleased, but are considering building a system with SAS drives, in the hope that they will be faster (any truth to that?). I am assuming that I should look for a non-RAID controller, but I can't find any SAS controllers that don't claim to do RAID and are on the FreeBSD compatibility list. I have always thought that using a RAID controller for a non-raid partition was a bad idea, since it limited ones ability to swap controllersm, and presumably if we are using ZFS for our RAID we don't need another level of RAID provided by the controller. Is that prejudice justified? There are some SAS RAID controllers that claim to support FreeBSD but I can't tell if their JBOD mode is a true pass-through, or leaves some undesirable junk on the disk. So does anyone have a recomendation for a reasonably priced SAS controller? We aren't looking for anything fancy at this point. Daniel Feenberg NBER From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 23:49:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530CD1065673 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326438FC0C for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5ONnDMU086480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5ONnDph086479; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA05070; Fri, 24 Jun 11 16:45:01 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:44:26 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: rwmaillists@googlemail.com Message-Id: <4e05215a.G8Om14zvY6VoDMBB%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20110624051018.320540@gmx.com> <86k4cbnv2u.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20110624172221.137a8331@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20110624172221.137a8331@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing X11 gives perl version conflict X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:49:14 -0000 RW wrote: > If building isn't an option then it's better to stick to one > release trees at a time. Unfortunately, it seems that pkg_add(1) does not make that as easy as one might prefer. I discovered recently that, even though I am running 8.1-RELEASE (and not 8-STABLE), "pkg_add -r" fetches from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.1-release/Latest/, rather than from the frozen-at-release -- and thus self-consistent -- collection in .../All/ One way around this is to set PACKAGESITE to, for example, ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.1-release/All/ (making any necessary adjustments to the mirror and release names). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 24 23:49:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB37106564A for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC29F8FC13 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5ONnDRw086485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5ONnDap086484; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA05084; Fri, 24 Jun 11 16:48:00 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:47:26 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: doug@safeport.com Message-Id: <4e05220e.GBAaOafCcTgMjymv%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4D7F86D5012E084A@> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:49:14 -0000 doug@safeport.com wrote: > If FreeBSD can be installed in an extended partition, > that would be a very useful howto. _Installing_ it in an "extended partition" is easy enough. geom(8) understands "extended partitions" (although sysinstall does not, so you need to install using Fixit# as for other non-sysinstall cases such as ZFS). The problem is _booting_ it. The code in i386/boot2 and lib/libstand is written to find the / (or /boot) FS on a BSD partition of an fdisk "primary partition" (aka slice), or in a GPT partition, and would need additions to handle fdisk "extended partitions". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 01:27:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9851A106566B for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) Received: from thalia-smout.broadpark.no (thalia-smout.broadpark.no [80.202.8.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BB08FC08 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:27:02 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from ignis-smin.broadpark.no ([80.202.8.11]) by thalia-smout.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-15.01 64bit (built Feb 12 2010)) with ESMTP id <0LNB00449L8ZIRA0@thalia-smout.broadpark.no> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 02:26:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kg-v2.kg4.no ([80.203.92.230]) by ignis-smin.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-15.01 64bit (built Feb 12 2010)) with SMTP id <0LNB00LI8L8ZLSG0@ignis-smin.broadpark.no> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 02:26:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 02:26:58 +0200 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen To: Mark Message-id: <20110625022658.f12aa0f8.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> In-reply-to: <152319.41054.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20110624194707.df1f49de.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <152319.41054.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) X-Face: "t9w2,-X@O^I`jVW\sonI3.,36KBLZE*AL[y9lL[PyFD*r_S:dIL9c[8Y>V42R0"!"yb_zN,f#%.[PYYNq; m"_0v; ~rUM2Yy!zmkh)3&U|u!=T(zyv,MHJv"nDH>OJ`t(@mil461d_B'Uo|'nMwlKe0Mv=kvV?Nh@>Hb<3s_z2jYgZhPb@?Wi^x1a~Hplz1.zH Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Cc: help help Subject: Re: mythtv 0.23.1 and the pvr250 driver - testing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:27:02 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Mark wrote: > > From: Torfinn Ingolfsen > > Subject: Re: mythtv 0.23.1 and the pvr250 driver - testing > > To: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.org > > Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 12:47 PM > > On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:27:51 +0200 > > Torfinn Ingolfsen > > wrote: > >=20 > > > Hello, > > > Today I tried to test MythTV 0.23.1 from ports (I used > > portdowngrade) > > > on my test machine[1], which has a PVR-350 card, and I > > use the pvr250 driver from ports.=20 > > > As before; the card and driver is tested with mplayer > > and works fine. > > > Details: > > > root@kg-quiet# uname -a > > > FreeBSD kg-quiet.kg4.no 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE > > #0: Sun Apr=A0 3 19:49:05 CEST 2011=A0 > > =A0=A0=A0root@kg-quiet.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC=A0 > > amd64 > > > root@kg-quiet# pv | grep pvr > > > pvr250-20101010_1=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > > =A0=A0=A0=3D=A0 up-to-date with port=20 > > > root@kg-quiet# pv | grep mythtv > > > mythtv-0.23.1=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > > =A0=A0=A0<=A0 needs updating (port has > > 0.24.1_1)=20 > > >=20 > > > This time, it apperas that mythtv-setup has problems > > with upgrading the db schema. > > > (I deleted the database, since it was newer than 0.23, > > and ran mysql -uroot -p < > > /usr/local/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql first). > > > >From the shell where mythtv-setup is running: > > >=20 > > > 2011-06-05 22:07:51.171 Inserting MythTV initial > > database information. > > > 2011-06-05 22:07:51.171 New DB connection, total: 3 > > > 2011-06-05 22:07:51.172 Connected to database > > 'mythconverg' at host: localhost > > > 2011-06-05 22:07:51.172 Upgrading to MythTV schema > > version 1226 > > >=20 > > > and then mythtv-setup just sits there, nothing more > > happening. > > > Any hints on how to fix that? > >=20 > > Nobody has any hints? > > --=20 > > Torfinn > >=20 >=20 > When you "drop database" it does not change the permissions on the databa= se you dropped. Check out "grant" if you have not used it. Good hint. But the sql script already does the grant: root@kg-quiet# more /usr/local/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS mythconverg; GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv"; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; GRANT CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFI= ED BY "mythtv"; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_= ci; Any other hints? --=20 Torfinn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 04:20:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082B01065672 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 04:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterbsd@engineer.com) Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 76B2A8FC19 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 04:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20375 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jun 2011 04:20:00 -0000 Received: from 67.206.183.250 by rms-us008.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 04:19:52 +0000 From: "Dieter BSD" Message-ID: <20110625041957.219420@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Authenticated: #74169980 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: iwVtA400ymCuIg6GUjA0JdMiJihyahDS Subject: Re: Installing X11 gives perl version conflict X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 04:20:02 -0000 perryh> running 8.1-RELEASE (and not 8-STABLE) [ ... ] perryh> /packages-8.1-release/ AH HA !!!! The .message file contains the solution (I hope): "packages-*-release directories are built from the ports collection shipped with the release, and are not updated thereafter. packages-*-stable and packages-*-current are updated roughly once a week." "stable" should be renamed "bleeding-edge" to warn dunderheads like me that think stable means stable rather than unstable. And maybe web browsers should automagically display the .message file. THANK YOU !!! If only debugging X11 were so easy... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 04:57:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82CC106564A for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 04:57:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F798FC17 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 04:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.104.75.80] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QaKwF-0002Uk-UF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 06:57:48 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5P4vkOZ003432 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 06:57:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p5P4vknO003431 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 06:57:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 06:57:41 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110625045740.GA3383@tinyCurrent> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 93.104.75.80 Subject: pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0 gives wrong -I dir X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 04:57:50 -0000 Hello, Why gives $ pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include $ ls -ld /usr/local/include/glib-2.0 /usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include ls: /usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include: No such file or directory drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel 512 May 28 19:01 /usr/local/include/glib-2.0 a non existing -I directory? This concrete example is with a 9-CURRENT and glib-2.0 from the ports as glib-2.26.1_1, but I see this as well in some older 8.x systems; Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 07:56:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E3B106566B for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 07:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286618FC0C for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 07:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5P7u9ki052053; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:56:10 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:56:09 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: umage In-Reply-To: <4E032C1A.9000707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110624004909.F34951@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20110621223335.2C145106579B@hub.freebsd.org> <20110623205741.K34951@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4E032C1A.9000707@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw nat inbound keep-state with net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 07:56:12 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, umage wrote: > Some points: > 1) I did use the handbook as reference, and my ruleset mimics the layout used > there. Excuse the late response, I've been away. The best reference, apart from ipfw(8), is /etc/rc.firewall. 'Nuff said. > 2) Handbook uses divert natd, which I used until I switched to the kernel nat > approach. Assuming that was working, is changing to ipfw nat the only difference? Or is that when you added fwd to the mix? Is 192.168.0.55 another box on the LAN, or an IP alias on this box? What says 'netstat -finet -rn'? Is this on FreeBSD 8.x? > 3) I did not find any concrete examples of ipfw nat rule usage, so I'm using > them the old natd way. Apart from the 'NAT, REDIRECT AND LSNAT' section in ipfw(8), natd(8) is still useful as fuller reference, given a few less, renamed parameters. As mentioned in that section, libalias(3) gives detail of all functions. > I did some more experiments, and noticed that for example, an inbound > connection can still communicate both ways after the initial state table rule > expires (20 seconds for some reason). ipfw(8) 'SYSCTL VARIABLES' covers timeouts (sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.dyn_*) 20 seconds suggests a SYN timeout, so a TCP connection - but see below. Perhaps that 'works' because you're not denying established connections and using only 'setup' on keep-state rules, again assuming TCP protocol? > If they communicate while the state > entry is alive, the timeout resets, but it seems like it doesn't matter at > all. This leads me to believe that 'ipfw nat' keeps an internal state table, > which cannot be viewed, but is checked when doing check-state. Or > something... which I have no way of knowing. NAT aliasing tables are entirely distinct from ipfw dynamic rule state tables. Try adding 'log' (and maybe same_ports) to ipfw nat parameters at least while debugging connections. That log, 'ipfw -ted show' and a tcpdump on each interface should show exactly what's going on. 'ipfw nat 1 show config'. > Here's a pruned version of the ruleset I used. Rule 600 is the one that adds > that remote <--> local state table entry that messes everything up. If I omit > keep-state on it, then traffic from the local side will be the one creating > the states when replying, with a 5-second timeout. sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.dyn_udp_lifetime is 5 seconds by default. So now we're talking UDP? Please be more specific, or best, cut&paste results. > -------------------- > $fw add 100 allow all from any to any via $lan_if This passes all packets coming in from the LAN, bound for anywhere - ie this box OR the outside - but before/without performing NAT - as well as passing packets being transmitted to the LAN, whether locally generated or routed after having been NAT'd on inbound pass. Not what you wanted. You mentioned packets mistakenly reaching the outside with 192.168.* source addresses, that'll be this rule. Try specifying 'in recv $if' and 'out xmit $if' avoiding 'via' when it's ambiguous, especially on outbound packets where 'via $if' is also true when they've come _in_ on that specified interface. You need to do outbound NAT first anyway. > $fw nat 1 config if $wan_if redirect_port 192.168.0.55:12345 12345 > $fw add 200 nat 1 ip4 from any to any in via $wan_if Ok, you're doing inbound NAT before checking state, however you've not specified protocol (tcp or udp) with redirect_port. I can't find any example in ipfw(8), natd(8) or libalias(3) where proto is optional, but I haven't read the code or tried this myself. We can't tell from this (or rule 600) whether your port '12345' is TCP or UDP. > $fw add 300 check-state At this point any packet, in or out, matching dynamic state tables will execute the action of the matching keep-state rule. For packets going out to the WAN the action is a skipto, so all ip4 packets matching that flow will execute the 'skipto 800', where you NAT the outbound packets, and allow the corresponding return packets. > $fw add 400 skipto 800 ip4 from any to any out via $wan_if keep-state Again, 'out via $wan_if' is ambiguous, and includes packets _received_ on $wan_if and now being transmitted to the inside, again before NAT. Specify 'out xmit' if you only want to apply this to packets being sent out to $wan_if, as I think you do; these are the only ones you want to perform NAT on anyway. > $fw add 500 allow all from any to any out keep-state Ok, only inbound packets get to here, and they've already been NAT'd .. > $fw add 600 allow all from any to any dst-port 12345 in keep-state > $fw add 700 deny all from any to any in While 'all | ip' will work for tcp or udp packets, better to specify the protocol targetted. Ok, not only outbound packets get here, but also the return packets coming in with matching state, from the skipto. > $fw add 800 nat 1 ip4 from any to any out > $fw add 900 allow all from any to any Bottom line is you need to do NAT on packets outbound to $wan_if before encountering the first check-state or keep-state rule, as you have for packets inbound from the WAN. Then your dynamic rules will be matching packets with addressing between inside IPs and external hosts. I strongly suggest following the flow pattern of the 'simple' ruleset in /etc/rc.firewall especially regarding placement of NAT rules, never mind whether using natd or ipfw nat, rather than the poor Handbook examples. Depending on what protocol port 12345 is, you may be better off using static rather than dynamic rules to handle it .. another area where that Handbook section is inappropriately deprecatory; rc.firewall uses both. HTH, Ian (but if not, try posting afresh but with more detail to freebsd-ipfw@) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 10:45:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 868C11065670; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:45:09 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Christopher =?iso-8859-15?Q?Bergstr=F6m?= Message-ID: <20110625104509.GA87358@freebsd.org> References: <20110622234336.GA94654@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gpu support for modern systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:45:09 -0000 On Thu Jun 23 11, Christopher Bergström wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Alexander Best wrote: > > hi there, > > > > modern systems with their suffisticated gpus provide quite a potential for > > moving some of the workload from cpu to gpu. for certain stuff gpus are much > > faster than cpus, like number crunching or encoding/decoding multimedia > > contents. > > > > anybody who is using mplayer(1) in combination with nvidia cards and vdpau has > > probably experienced how much faster and less cpu intensive things can work out > > when decoding HD video stuff e.g. > > > > since opencl/cuda isn't available under freebsd, it doesn't seem possible to > > somehow hook the nvidia gpu into the every day freebsd workload that easily. > > PathScale has HMPP and partial CUDA support on FreeBSD now. Some > caveats to this > > 1) Non-free (We could possibly make the tools free for FreeBSD > community, but I'd have to get approval for it) > 2) CUDA support isn't complete (Basic core is there and HMPP C/Fortran works) > 3) Tesla 20xx series only > > We offer real support for FreeBSD and it's not using any linux emulator hacks. > > Let me know if anyone is interested. (If we get enough positive > feedback I'll pursue some resolution to #1) i'd really love to see this stuff being made available to the community. i think this could pose a huge advantage to all kinds of audiences: home users, servers people, etc. basically every modern computer comes with a gpu that performs much better at certain tasks than the installed CPU. not making use of the gpu is a huge waste of ressources. i think microsoft had a video on their channel 9 platform demonstrating the huge advantages that one can get when offloading certain tasks onto the gpu. just think of gimp being able to perform 10 times faster! ..or being able to compile world 10 times faster...or...or... ;) cheers. alex > > ./C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 10:51:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E2D106566B; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cbergstrom@pathscale.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988FC8FC0A; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk5 with SMTP id 5so3217617pzk.17 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.26.42 with SMTP id i10mr2185228pbg.291.1308999084012; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (ppp-58-8-61-159.revip2.asianet.co.th [58.8.61.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u6sm2780325pbh.16.2011.06.25.03.51.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E05BEC5.9000500@pathscale.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:56:05 +0700 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20101031 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Best References: <20110622234336.GA94654@freebsd.org> <20110625104509.GA87358@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20110625104509.GA87358@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gpu support for modern systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:51:24 -0000 On 06/25/11 05:45 PM, Alexander Best wrote: > On Thu Jun 23 11, Christopher Bergström wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Alexander Best wrote: >>> hi there, >>> >>> modern systems with their suffisticated gpus provide quite a potential for >>> moving some of the workload from cpu to gpu. for certain stuff gpus are much >>> faster than cpus, like number crunching or encoding/decoding multimedia >>> contents. >>> >>> anybody who is using mplayer(1) in combination with nvidia cards and vdpau has >>> probably experienced how much faster and less cpu intensive things can work out >>> when decoding HD video stuff e.g. >>> >>> since opencl/cuda isn't available under freebsd, it doesn't seem possible to >>> somehow hook the nvidia gpu into the every day freebsd workload that easily. >> PathScale has HMPP and partial CUDA support on FreeBSD now. Some >> caveats to this >> >> 1) Non-free (We could possibly make the tools free for FreeBSD >> community, but I'd have to get approval for it) >> 2) CUDA support isn't complete (Basic core is there and HMPP C/Fortran works) >> 3) Tesla 20xx series only >> >> We offer real support for FreeBSD and it's not using any linux emulator hacks. >> >> Let me know if anyone is interested. (If we get enough positive >> feedback I'll pursue some resolution to #1) > i'd really love to see this stuff being made available to the community. i > think this could pose a huge advantage to all kinds of audiences: home users, > servers people, etc. > > basically every modern computer comes with a gpu that performs much better at > certain tasks than the installed CPU. not making use of the gpu is a huge waste > of ressources. i think microsoft had a video on their channel 9 platform > demonstrating the huge advantages that one can get when offloading certain > tasks onto the gpu. just think of gimp being able to perform 10 times faster! > > ..or being able to compile world 10 times faster...or...or... ;) You missed the part where I said it's *Tesla* only. This is really only useful for HPC/life sciences/financial/server market. This isn't to say we're not excited about it, but I'm still unsure who if anyone is using FreeBSD in those areas. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 11:01:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 3971D1065670; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:01:13 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: =?iso-8859-15?Q?C=2E_Bergstr=F6m?= Message-ID: <20110625110113.GA89867@freebsd.org> References: <20110622234336.GA94654@freebsd.org> <20110625104509.GA87358@freebsd.org> <4E05BEC5.9000500@pathscale.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4E05BEC5.9000500@pathscale.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gpu support for modern systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:01:13 -0000 On Sat Jun 25 11, "C. Bergström" wrote: > On 06/25/11 05:45 PM, Alexander Best wrote: > >On Thu Jun 23 11, Christopher Bergström wrote: > >>On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Alexander Best > >>wrote: > >>>hi there, > >>> > >>>modern systems with their suffisticated gpus provide quite a potential > >>>for > >>>moving some of the workload from cpu to gpu. for certain stuff gpus are > >>>much > >>>faster than cpus, like number crunching or encoding/decoding multimedia > >>>contents. > >>> > >>>anybody who is using mplayer(1) in combination with nvidia cards and > >>>vdpau has > >>>probably experienced how much faster and less cpu intensive things can > >>>work out > >>>when decoding HD video stuff e.g. > >>> > >>>since opencl/cuda isn't available under freebsd, it doesn't seem > >>>possible to > >>>somehow hook the nvidia gpu into the every day freebsd workload that > >>>easily. > >>PathScale has HMPP and partial CUDA support on FreeBSD now. Some > >>caveats to this > >> > >>1) Non-free (We could possibly make the tools free for FreeBSD > >>community, but I'd have to get approval for it) > >>2) CUDA support isn't complete (Basic core is there and HMPP C/Fortran > >>works) > >>3) Tesla 20xx series only > >> > >>We offer real support for FreeBSD and it's not using any linux emulator > >>hacks. > >> > >>Let me know if anyone is interested. (If we get enough positive > >>feedback I'll pursue some resolution to #1) > >i'd really love to see this stuff being made available to the community. i > >think this could pose a huge advantage to all kinds of audiences: home > >users, > >servers people, etc. > > > >basically every modern computer comes with a gpu that performs much better > >at > >certain tasks than the installed CPU. not making use of the gpu is a huge > >waste > >of ressources. i think microsoft had a video on their channel 9 platform > >demonstrating the huge advantages that one can get when offloading certain > >tasks onto the gpu. just think of gimp being able to perform 10 times > >faster! > > > >..or being able to compile world 10 times faster...or...or... ;) > You missed the part where I said it's *Tesla* only. This is really only > useful for HPC/life sciences/financial/server market. > > This isn't to say we're not excited about it, but I'm still unsure who > if anyone is using FreeBSD in those areas. ...but is the CUDA api for tesla so much different than the CUDA geforce api? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 12:07:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4B1106564A for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@snap.net.nz) Received: from unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz (unit0.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA7F8FC1A for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:07:16 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmoIAMjOBU7KfG1m/2dsb2JhbABSmF6OastFhjAEkAWBfpAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,424,1304251200"; d="scan'208";a="62198332" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp0.ironport.snap.net.nz with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2011 00:07:16 +1200 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.102 Received: from akllappt.local (mail.openvps.biz [202.124.109.102]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 675381FC21 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 00:07:15 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <4E05CF72.2040800@snap.net.nz> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 00:07:14 +1200 From: Peter Toth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110421 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110622134158.GA2679@e4310> <808833D7-FAD4-46E2-ACB6-71993AD048FB@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: NFS zfs serveur (hardware question) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:07:17 -0000 On 06/24/11 10:17, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> As a rule of thumb and for a serious server, I would recommend 1 SSD as dedicated cache and 2 SSD for a mirrored ZIL (you don't want to lose this data). >> However I think ppl posted about running intro trouble when using both ZIL and cache disks, so I suggest you only get the ZIL. > Definitely get the ZIL device. NFS performance will be almost > intolerable without it. It used to be you could work around this, at > cost of an increased risk of data loss if the server crashed, by > turning off the ZIL; but as of 9.0 this is no longer allowed, so a ZIL > device is pretty much mandatory. I'm looking at ways to add one to > one of my machines for this reason. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > There is still a way to increase NFS performance in 9.0 (without a ZIL SSD) by setting zfs property "sync=disabled", which will disable synchronous writes - comes with some risks, research it before switching it off. Also, this will only disable sync for the ZFS filesystem not for the whole pool. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 13:14:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5DB106566C for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DA58FC08 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.148] (helo=smtp16.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaSgp-0003y8-9K for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:14:23 +0200 Received: from 524944af.cm-4-2b.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([82.73.68.175] helo=mail.nagual.nl) by smtp16.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaSgn-0007xB-Op for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:14:21 +0200 Received: from [192.168.11.34] (192.168.11.34) by westmark (Axigen) with (CAMELLIA256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPSA id 1A48E1; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:17:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4E05DF37.6010701@nagual.nl> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:14:31 +0200 From: Dick Hoogendijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; nl; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AxigenSpam-Level: 4 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1QaSgn-0007xB-Op X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=2.223, vereist 5, BAYES_40 -0.00, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, TW_GP 0.08) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: dick@nagual.nl X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Subject: gpart X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:14:25 -0000 OK, I follow the manual but still... I have a disk fo 20Gb I create a GPT table for the whole disk on it: # gpart create -s gpt /dev/md0 -> md0 created # gpart show md0 34 8573 md0 GPT (4.2M) Only 4 Mb?? Not really what I wanted. Anyone an idea of why the whole disk is nog used? What am I doning wrong? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 13:24:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC36106564A for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F6E8FC08 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.134] (helo=smtp3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaSqV-0002Vk-7z for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:24:23 +0200 Received: from 524944af.cm-4-2b.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([82.73.68.175] helo=mail.nagual.nl) by smtp3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaSqT-0003Z2-IU for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:24:21 +0200 Received: from [192.168.11.34] (192.168.11.34) by westmark (Axigen) with (CAMELLIA256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPSA id 0453E8; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:27:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4E05E18F.2020001@nagual.nl> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:24:31 +0200 From: Dick Hoogendijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; nl; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <4E05DF37.6010701@nagual.nl> In-Reply-To: <4E05DF37.6010701@nagual.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AxigenSpam-Level: 4 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1QaSqT-0003Z2-IU X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=2.223, vereist 5, BAYES_40 -0.00, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, TW_GP 0.08) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: dick@nagual.nl X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Subject: Re: gpart X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:24:24 -0000 Op 25-6-2011 15:14 schreef Dick Hoogendijk: > OK, I follow the manual but still... > I have a disk fo 20Gb > I create a GPT table for the whole disk on it: > # gpart create -s gpt /dev/md0 > -> md0 created > # gpart show md0 > 34 8573 md0 GPT (4.2M) > Only 4 Mb?? Not really what I wanted. Anyone an idea of why the whole > disk is nog used? > What am I doning wrong? Never mind. Problem solved. Wrong device. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 14:39:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F61106564A for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09018FC0C for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.139] (helo=smtp8.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaU0x-0000y3-NQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:39:15 +0200 Received: from 524944af.cm-4-2b.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([82.73.68.175] helo=mail.nagual.nl) by smtp8.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaU0w-0005Da-2B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:39:14 +0200 Received: from [192.168.11.34] (192.168.11.34) by westmark (Axigen) with (CAMELLIA256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPSA id 0F6632; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:42:40 +0200 Message-ID: <4E05F31B.3050603@nagual.nl> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:39:23 +0200 From: Dick Hoogendijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; nl; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valentin Bud References: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> In-Reply-To: X-AxigenSpam-Level: 4 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1QaU0w-0005Da-2B X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (cached, score=-0.175, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, TW_ZF 0.08) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: dick@nagual.nl X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD ZFS system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:39:17 -0000 Op 23-6-2011 9:35 schreef Valentin Bud: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Dick Hoogendijk > wrote: > > OK, it works very well. Installing a ZFS FreeBSD system with an > ufs /boot is very very easy using the PC-BSD DVD. > However, I have one question: > > I'd like to install FreeBSD (pcbsd) on a (zfs) mirror > In OpenSolaris you can install directly to the zfs mirror, but > how's this in this situation> After all, an UFS partitin is also > created. How can I get the equivalent of an OpenSolaris mirrored > install for a FreeBSD system? > > Hope I phrased the question clearly enough. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > > Hello Community, > > Like others said in their answer to your question, you don't have to > put /boot on UFS, just go with root on ZFS. > If you would like speed when installing the system I recommend mfsBSD > - http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/. As pointed out > in the web page there is a script (zfsinstall) that does all the work > for you. It does all the steps described in the > wiki - http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror. > > If you want to gain knowledge about the process of installing FreeBSD > with root on ZFS then go with the wiki > article. Using mfsBSD I install a 8.2-STABLE custom system in under 5 > seconds. That's pretty neat :). OK, I tried mfsbsd. I had the iso loaded at ata1 master and freebsd-8.2-dvd as ata1 slave. I booted my VM; mfsbsd came up fine. I mounted my fbsd dvd drive on /cdrom and tried to run the zfsinstall script. Alas, it refuses.. It can't find the (needed!) 8.2-RELEASE.???tgz file It does not exist. There is only a directory 8.2-RELEASE (on DVD as well as on CDROM ). Question: is this a bug in zfsinstall script? How do I work around it? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 15:39:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B047106564A for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ACA8FC1E for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5PFdNO0049250 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:39:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5PFdNxQ049249 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:39:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from elon) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:39:23 +0200 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110625153923.GG74606@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: SAS controller for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:39:26 -0000 On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 06:51:37PM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > We have been using ZFS under FreeBSD for a while, and are very pleased, > but are considering building a system with SAS drives, in the hope that > they will be faster (any truth to that?). I am assuming that I should look > for a non-RAID controller, but I can't find any SAS controllers that don't > claim to do RAID and are on the FreeBSD compatibility list. I have always > thought that using a RAID controller for a non-raid partition was a bad > idea, since it limited ones ability to swap controllersm, and presumably > if we are using ZFS for our RAID we don't need another level of RAID > provided by the controller. Is that prejudice justified? > > There are some SAS RAID controllers that claim to support FreeBSD but I > can't tell if their JBOD mode is a true pass-through, or leaves some > undesirable junk on the disk. > > So does anyone have a recomendation for a reasonably priced SAS > controller? We aren't looking for anything fancy at this point. We are using two of the LSI SAS2008 based cards here and have no problems with them. Be sure to run a recent STABLE as the mps driver is relatively new. Speed and reliability are very nice. The only thing we are missing is IR-Firmware support but if you only want a HBA this won't bother you. cherio, Leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 15:57:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E27106566C for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9558FC0C for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so1912943gwb.13 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=zxI8yOabZTkhlozd+ZuytMqzAwVDvkUtG08PDHoYhKA=; b=uZnOi98KDksUkaOO7+mZV01Vg6ePm0i7MxzsfV/KTseW7HXEd+NQtER6eLWtH319ov Ei4IKX6vGfcMNXRhnLfbd6zmetbOUvCFE81xRie12No+buWLrzHLMJ30qJHUG6S8BWG0 k+UxFYzC8GlIaLr4dk2RwYBx13huNaQYlcN2k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=ptdmMr5UR0XGfuVlR0TUpOH66JMDJ1ulue6eq62sHUfwm4KtE3TpZcbegMZ45Ucle6 UNMEyt9z9OZcvNJPHtSpIA3F6GFM08M4BImEydmwk5YRVvn3HzVCek1bvEzrjaSAKZgI EFLiTQ084M9k8lCaVsmMkNgIE96FeU4iJuRiI= Received: by 10.101.23.17 with SMTP id a17mr3506292anj.143.1309017426118; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.70.3 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:56:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E05F31B.3050603@nagual.nl> References: <4E00EA98.1090805@nagual.nl> <4E05F31B.3050603@nagual.nl> From: Valentin Bud Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:56:45 +0300 Message-ID: To: Dick Hoogendijk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD ZFS system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:57:07 -0000 On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > ** > Op 23-6-2011 9:35 schreef Valentin Bud: > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > >> OK, it works very well. Installing a ZFS FreeBSD system with an ufs /boot >> is very very easy using the PC-BSD DVD. >> However, I have one question: >> >> I'd like to install FreeBSD (pcbsd) on a (zfs) mirror >> In OpenSolaris you can install directly to the zfs mirror, but how's this >> in this situation> After all, an UFS partitin is also created. How can I get >> the equivalent of an OpenSolaris mirrored install for a FreeBSD system? >> >> Hope I phrased the question clearly enough. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Hello Community, > > Like others said in their answer to your question, you don't have to put > /boot on UFS, just go with root on ZFS. > If you would like speed when installing the system I recommend mfsBSD - > http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/. As pointed out > in the web page there is a script (zfsinstall) that does all the work for > you. It does all the steps described in the > wiki - http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror. > > If you want to gain knowledge about the process of installing FreeBSD > with root on ZFS then go with the wiki > article. Using mfsBSD I install a 8.2-STABLE custom system in under 5 > seconds. That's pretty neat :). > > OK, I tried mfsbsd. I had the iso loaded at ata1 master and freebsd-8.2-dvd > as ata1 slave. > I booted my VM; mfsbsd came up fine. I mounted my fbsd dvd drive on /cdrom > and tried to run the zfsinstall script. Alas, it refuses.. It can't find the > (needed!) 8.2-RELEASE.???tgz file It does not exist. There is only a > directory 8.2-RELEASE (on DVD as well as on CDROM ). Question: is this a bug > in zfsinstall script? > How do I work around it? > > Hello Community, You don't need any other CD/DVD to install from. The 8.2-RELEASE.tar.gz file is on the mfsBSD iso. You have to mount it to /cdrom and you can use zfsinstall script that comes with mfsBSD to do a root on ZFS install of FreeBSD. I outline the steps: 0. Download http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/iso/mfsbsd-se-8.2-amd64.iso. 1. Boot mfsBSD. No other disk needed to install FreeBSD on root. 2. # mount /dev/acd0 /cdrom (change acd0 with your local CD/DVD drive). 3. # *zfsinstall -d ad0 -t /cdrom/8.2-RELEASE-amd64.tar.xz* -s 4G - change the drive and swap partition size according to your needs. You might wanna check the options of zfsinstall script, it has quite some nice ones, see -h flag of the command. Have a great day, v -- network warrior From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 16:53:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F7C106566B for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from inyaoo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955CB8FC13 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so1937290gxk.13 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:53:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=nqTZHFb8RiOmQinIYhP+xJzrQB4WS9K2/nRQ6yp8QIg=; b=RvbqSn/RI9m+24zy/cnxuOHCpfTuyGXsazMI2X+pKt0/wK7x4Fhd3Wlkwxa3aUgVOn JsLUggWfoQ0CWw2r8brng91qdADOjIWRhdqG5tWQ/IVG0Js9GAimYnVAyOkPzHjIe8dT XGhi3U6usC9zoY/HADylDg8hwYECj/fir/yjw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; b=pJSzH8phI8k9jGfgCRbWupgor3CmnTQdAK2Lv8qLJ5g2r1FpozkW2NViyAiZRBWt6a PSs0C7xVPSp20Yh4kOdEUK/pctwuASRveBAuxIhTg+bgP+jp+unK6DFCM8pQ/cwPXNqI mXyegl8LPJ0Iyf2Pl0AynFVj3uGx5HIXg6uk8= Received: by 10.91.3.17 with SMTP id f17mr4924142agi.199.1309020795837; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tor-exit-readme-1wh1.kromyon.net [209.236.66.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y15sm2114339ann.18.2011.06.25.09.53.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:53:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Pan Tsu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:53:06 +0400 Message-ID: <86liwpyhsd.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [dtrace] attaching to a PID X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:53:19 -0000 Does anyone else see the following crash? $ sh -c 'sleep 60& dtrace -P syscall -p $!' dtrace: description 'syscall' matched 2092 probes Assertion failed: (dpr != NULL), file .../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/lib/libdtrace/common/dt_proc.c, line 751. Exit 134 Also triggers without specifying PID, e.g. by ustack() $ dtrace -P 'syscall { @[probefunc,ustack()] = count(); }' Not sure if I hosed my environment. -- FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r223522M amd64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 17:17:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B471065670 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8458FC0C for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so4352747iwr.13 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eLVdh2kYLnNCvT2SiUL6u8EdIIGZySD2m9mvR7URtzo=; b=hdsT9Y3FLYLbyKRaOtK540upCe3yuqW952BvzyaH5W0+DgpkUuFG/BVRdTNBF0Laak BWoooo8GiGf0BTOYQCR8rNwBdXVqvX+N5jhhpKqdYwZCShbdNL1JPcoZVXh0Uc+wX3jc 1GqZpfEngY0l+JNXAt+NkqDNQdnzYpPZnTsuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wkMBvKSWCq+VVsoSND/lThMjDcUApnNtxWpFSD8FL7Z3qKEH01hgK02Oo7BujpIxIE 0+ReSCaZbXbpwAXOFDDziMmTsItk5Rdxqrm8YzT7ebUHSkg3pjYYttFdPlq4JtWRfh7L FVrGncbTsrp0LIRGCpzfLhD6eNorux1K/C9lo= Received: by 10.42.76.6 with SMTP id c6mr5131645ick.50.1309022231712; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (c-98-212-201-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net [98.212.201.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w11sm2090675ibw.7.2011.06.25.10.17.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E06180F.7090409@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:17:03 -0500 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Performance of a USB ZIL for ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:17:12 -0000 I was wondering if anyone had tried using a decent USB flash drive for the ZIL. I know it'd be hard finding one fast enough, but some from patriot seem like they might be suitable for home use. Part of the idea is to just minimize hard drive thrashing and the wear and tear associated with it. If it helps prevent the drives from going bad, and doesn't hurt performance too bad all the better. But if it's going to hurt performance too much or not help prevent thrashing there isn't a point. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 18:27:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452E8106564A for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alphachi@mediaspirit.org) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7FA8FC0C for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so4396029iyb.13 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:27:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.142.193 with SMTP id t1mr5050766icu.322.1309026437192; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.213.195 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 02:27:17 +0800 Message-ID: From: alphachi To: "list: enlightenment" , "list: freebsd" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Enlightenment error after update some relative ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:27:18 -0000 Today I updated some relative ports with enlightenment like ecore-*. When starting X, the screen turn to console after enlightenment splash screen show. The error is "Enlightenment cannot initialize the FDO desktop system. Perhaps you are out of memory?" "out of memory" is impossible. I try to reboot the machine, but still get the same error. I install the other x11-wm like dwm; it's OK. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 20:47:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FF0106566B for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A51D8FC08 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber7.nber.org (nber7.nber.org [66.251.72.41]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5PKlKWE035786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:47:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber7.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5PKlJWO006976; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:47:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nber7.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:47:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Leon_Me=DFner?= In-Reply-To: <20110625153923.GG74606@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: References: <20110625153923.GG74606@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-79550136-1637470725-1309034840=:6821" X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110625 #5646524, check: 20110625 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SAS controller for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:47:24 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---79550136-1637470725-1309034840=:6821 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Leon Meßner wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 06:51:37PM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote: ... >> >> There are some SAS RAID controllers that claim to support FreeBSD but I >> can't tell if their JBOD mode is a true pass-through, or leaves some >> undesirable junk on the disk. >> >> So does anyone have a recomendation for a reasonably priced SAS >> controller? We aren't looking for anything fancy at this point. > > We are using two of the LSI SAS2008 based cards here and have no > problems with them. Be sure to run a recent STABLE as the mps driver is > relatively new. Speed and reliability are very nice. The only thing we February of this year: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2011-February/004784.html > are missing is IR-Firmware support but if you only want a HBA this won't > bother you. If I search the LSI website for "SAS2008" the first hit includes a description of the chipset features, including the bullet point * Integrated RAID All the cards on the LSI website that I can find using the SAS2008 chipset include the sentence "Integrated RAID avoids additional host CPU overhead" in their brief description, even the ones labeled "HBA". Apparently the FreeBSD driver does not include an interface to the RAID capability, but it seems that the chipset still provides it. I suppose this still avoids controller lock in, so it should be satisfactory. Can I ask what model you have? Thanks Daniel Feenberg > > cherio, > Leon > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---79550136-1637470725-1309034840=:6821-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 21:25:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CDD1065673 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave-freebsd@pooserville.com) Received: from smtp.pooserville.com (mail.pooserville.com [69.26.223.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3906C8FC17 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.pooserville.com) by smtp.pooserville.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id LND6L7-000ZMK-FC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:05:31 -0500 Received: from [24.27.124.167] (account dave-sa@pooserville.com HELO [192.168.74.50]) by mail.pooserville.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 962790 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:05:29 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:05:24 -0500 From: Dave Pooser Sender: Dave Pooser To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: SAS controller for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SAS controller for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:25:06 -0000 On 6/25/11 3:47 PM, "Daniel Feenberg" wrote: >All the cards on the LSI website that I can find using the SAS2008 chipset >include the sentence "Integrated RAID avoids additional host CPU overhead" >in their brief description, even the ones labeled "HBA". There are two different firmware options. The "IT" firmware disables the integrated RAID and makes them true HBAs; the "IR" firmware activates the integrated RAID. Buy the cards, flash 'em with the IT firmware and you're good to go. -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com "There are two novels that can change a bookish 14-year-old's life: _The Lord of the Rings_ and _Atlas Shrugged_. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." --John Rogers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 25 23:15:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C22106566B for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:15:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from inyaoo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39338FC12 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe6 with SMTP id 6so3569919wwe.31 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:14:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=/fEqCcuaOCO5KekkP2b3AEAxnxAC+uLQN3HrUmlV+kc=; b=t2LTlxNQE3sCVqsyHl+FYh9mV5YABuuoh/LDHxR2W/CWw/VdbcM+0XFDBI54yE8iLg mmBdftvCBFxgp/bymNKLFvdCnmX95BOIbdP2Ks6jb48I+EJmCqtRUniMI99vpA1bNsma iwJnTZossZ5ZBXskaezuEbYsdVwBmGXC6hwOM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=esyoMCRCCGMxq3yymbi8uE8nbQb8Dzw1drLoiYTTObS2viXLI5+Mg6KJptyWf7WjKG zpsKI6wr4gNIapwzGPx9UK7/0v/78W7HLoE0eD+hU/3VUGrvEuymhd3RUUVIIPMYJcVc MdmTSLVxSvBUaL1dDSxMzXqbMhR1CMreqWhTs= Received: by 10.216.68.6 with SMTP id k6mr940735wed.85.1309043695142; Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (84-74-176-234.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.74.176.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c17sm3003147wbh.63.2011.06.25.16.14.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Pan Tsu To: Hiroki Sato References: <20110408.165651.757976466932488818.hrs@allbsd.org> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 03:14:45 +0400 In-Reply-To: <20110408.165651.757976466932488818.hrs@allbsd.org> (Hiroki Sato's message of "Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:56:51 +0900 (JST)") Message-ID: <864o3dtsey.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Where to download latest FreeBSD snapshots X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:15:00 -0000 Hiroki Sato writes: > Hello, > > dave jones wrote > in : > > s.> It seems that allbsd.org is up, but I can't find the HEAD snapshots, > s.> only RELENG. > s.> Would you like to build HEAD snapshots? Thank you very much. > > Building snapshots of HEAD and RELENG_[67] are temporarily disabled > because a maintenance work is now in progress. They will be back on > the page in the next week. Are there more places for *daily* HEAD snapshots? I used them a few times to report regressions with a clean environment.