From owner-svn-src-user@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 13 23:36:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-user@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D463106566B; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:36:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E3614DBCD; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FB0455F.9010602@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 16:35:59 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulrich Spoerlein References: <201205111608.q4BG8ppa090644@svn.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <201205111608.q4BG8ppa090644@svn.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-user@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r235275 - projects user X-BeenThere: svn-src-user@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the experimental " user" src tree" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:36:02 -0000 When you proposed these changes not only did I not see a consensus for you to move forward, I saw a non-zero number of people push back. Why did you proceed? Doug On 5/11/2012 9:08 AM, Ulrich Spoerlein wrote: > Author: uqs > Date: Fri May 11 16:08:51 2012 > New Revision: 235275 > URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/235275 > > Log: > Update guidelines on user/ and projects/ > > The goal is to make it clearer where future branches should be created. A > consistent layout under projects/ would also help with conversions to other > VCSes that do not follow the everything-is-a-subdir dogma. > > TL;DR > - If it's a branch of head that you want to merge back -> projects/ > - If it's something else -> user/your-login/ (e.g. portmaster, stress2, etc.) > > Discussed on: developers > Silence by: peter > > Modified: > user/GUIDELINES.txt > > Changes in other areas also in this revision: > Modified: > projects/GUIDELINES.txt > > Modified: user/GUIDELINES.txt > ============================================================================== > --- user/GUIDELINES.txt Fri May 11 16:04:55 2012 (r235274) > +++ user/GUIDELINES.txt Fri May 11 16:08:51 2012 (r235275) > @@ -1,16 +1,9 @@ > $FreeBSD$ > > -Golden rules: > -Rule #1: TAKE IT EASY! DON'T RUSH AND MAKE A MESS! ASK IF NEEDED! > -Rule #2: See rule #1, repeat as needed > +Guidelines for what can go in /user > +----------------------------------- > > -Peril sensitive sunglasses advisory: > -This is in flux. Expect refinement. Expect typos. > - > -Guidelines for what can go in /user and /projects > -------------------------------------------------- > - > -First of all, eveyrbody needs to keep in mind that this repository is > +First of all, everybody needs to keep in mind that this repository is > replicated as a unit. Anything that goes into the repository uses project > and volunteer resources. Once something goes in, it essentially never comes > out. Therefore, these are not dumping grounds to put random junk in the > @@ -19,82 +12,39 @@ tree that we have to mirror forever. > General guidelines: > > * Should be relevant to FreeBSD. > -* Should be at least concievably of interest to somebody else. > -* Should be in a format that is suitable to merge into the base tree. > +* Should be at least conceivably of interest to somebody else. > * Should be something that is worth people's time to read commit mail for. > * Write decent commit messages! > > +The difference between /projects and /user wasn't very clear in the past. > +Going forward /projects is reserved for branches of FreeBSD itself for possible > +re-integration into /head. Branches shall not be nested into e.g. > +/projects/foo/stable8, instead /projects/foo_stable8 shall be used. > > -The difference between /projects and /user is mostly one of intentions. > - > -If some WIP is intended to be committed to the main src tree, then it > -should go in /projects/$name/*. We encourage people to subscribe to projects > -commit messages. The reason is that WIP in projects can be expected to hit > -the base tree at some point. > - > -If some WIP is more of an experiment or speculative, that might not ever be > -merged, then it goes in /user/$username/$name/*. We don't encourage > -people to subscribe to user commit messages. > - > -If it is something unrelated to the src tree, it should probably go elsewhere. > -There will be a separate repostory made available for such things, whether it > -be a special version of mysql or xorg or gcc or whatever. > - > +/user can be used for tools and software tightly related to FreeBSD, but which > +is not a copy/branch of FreeBSD itself. > > Layout: > -Since this is for WIP that can concievably be merged, there is an argument > -that can be made that teaching the pre-commit scripts to sanity check WIP > -as it goes, rather than having a mammoth fixup being needed prior to merging. > - > -For that to work, the layout has to be predictable. eg: a branch of > -"head/sys/*" for a project called "ia65" should be /projects/ia65/sys/*. > -An experimental X11-aware verison of bin/ls/* in a user directory for jdoe > -would be /user/jdoe/x11-ls/bin/ls/*. > - > > -Creation and merging: > - > -Merging is in flux. The procedure as understood right now: > - > -Assume projects/ia65/sys. $BASE="svn+ssh://svn.freebsd.org/base" > +Since this is for auxiliary/experimental projects that might not be branched > +from head, an argument can be made that we teach the pre-commit scripts to > +sanity check WIP as it goes in. > > Initial creation: > - $ svn cp --parents $BASE/head/sys $BASE/projects/ia65/sys > + Assume user/pho/stress2. BASE="svn+ssh://svn.freebsd.org/base" > > -Then check it out: > - $ svn co $BASE/projects/ia65 > + $ svn mkdir $BASE/user/pho/stress2 > > -To integrate changes from head into your branch: > - $ cd ia65/sys ; svn update; svn status | read output! Should preferably be clean. > - (you may prefer to do merges in a second, clean checkout. It will be easier!) > - $ svn merge $BASE/head/sys > - (this merges head/sys/* into ., which is projects/ia65/sys) > +Then check it out: > + $ svn co $BASE/user/pho/stress2 > + $ hack, hack, hack > + $ svn add . > + (should schedule all files/dirs for addition) > + $ svn status > + (verify all files you want added, and only those are scheduled) > $ svn commit > > -To merge your changes into head/sys. > - $ mail -s 'Is it ok to merge projects/ia65 to head?' peter@freebsd.org > - $ wait_for_reply (the point is to have somebody on hand for the first > - timeto help rescue you if things go horribly wrong.) > - (set up a clean checkout of head/sys and projects/ia65/sys. MUST BE CLEAN!!) > - $ cd work > - $ svn co $BASE/head/sys > - $ svn co $BASE/projects/ia65/sys > - (If you've already got clean checkouts handy, replace with appropriate > - svn update commands) > - $ svn info head - NOTE CHANGE NUMBER!!! assume 12345 for this example. > - (now, bring projects/ia65 up to date with head, AS YOU JUST CHECKED IT OUT) > - $ svn merge $BASE/head/sys@12345 projects/ia65/sys > - (resolve conflicts) > - $ svn commit projects/ia65/sys > - (now, projects/ia65 is in sync with @12345, as is your head checkout) > - (reverse merge to base tree!) > - $ svn merge $BASE/projects/ia65/sys head/sys > - (resolve conflicts) > - $ svn commit head/sys > - $ profit! > - (regular svn users might wonder about merge --reintegrate. Our tree breaks > - it, sorry. We can't use it.) > - > -Tags: > - Place tags in your /user area if possible, even if the origin is a project. > - Tag by using svn cp $BASE/projects/xxx $BASE/user/jdoe/yyy. > +Other: > + > +If it is not covered here, and there's no established practice of doing what > +you're trying to achieve, always ask your peers first! > -- This .signature sanitized for your protection