From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 00:20:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C64AC9F for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cyberleo.net (paka.cyberleo.net [216.226.128.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A83B8CC for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.44.4] (vitani.den.cyberleo.net [216.80.73.130]) by mail.cyberleo.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B644195FB; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 19:20:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54712854.1000007@cyberleo.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:20:36 -0600 From: CyberLeo Kitsana User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lnrt , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Full disk encryption on FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE? References: <72aee80c9f26982088d6b2e018744c91@openmailbox.org> In-Reply-To: <72aee80c9f26982088d6b2e018744c91@openmailbox.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:20:46 -0000 On 11/22/2014 05:44 PM, lnrt wrote: > This result in the following error when booting the system: > > config: not a directory. > loader: not a directory. > gptboot: No /boot/loader on 0:ad(0p2) > kernel: not a directory. > gptboot: No /boot/kernel/kernel on 0:ad(0p2) > > FreeBSD/x86 boot > Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/kernel/kernel > boot: > > Does anyone have a suggestion on why the second method won't work? All the boot files end up in /boot, which is on a separate filesystem. >From the point of view of the boot process, the files are no longer /boot/loader and such, but instead just /loader. I have found no easy way to change this in the code itself, so I work around it with a symlink. With the boot filesystem mounted on /boot: ----8<---- mv /boot/boot /boot/boot.blk ln -s . /boot/boot ----8<---- Now gptboot(8) will look for /boot/loader, dereference the symlink, and load /loader instead, and everything will work. Same with loader(8) looking for its files and kernel. Just remember you did this during upgrades, because installworld will fail in weird ways with that symlink there. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://www.fur.com/peace/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 01:29:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A1EAA37 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x235.google.com (mail-wi0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA1F3DDA for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id r20so2649468wiv.2 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:29:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SnAJmO76dlGodrBcW1OKCKtsavyrTDJvqMTSvZgae6w=; b=ghjqjloT8vU3Es+vT1KUumm4MtqbZTiH/uiupn77wJOjBifzLccEFVswhEDRiMZRyJ R4DEwEYAp8CoqRP62NxLvyXQmDpbr/Ivittr3IMgPPp4B1+2x40uWfnUTX1RkM/68t0r CbPKrFBsCZLtCuQZ0NPQV/ryxATZHA1e1nJJ1qEEnPrg84lwOSVuVg3pVzMLMkNvJOoe +N1lUftyrD3yQq4qwn7YVEQHJ2bZsBvgmbVLL3mD+JYjUCuuiQ2TWEFjBCjy6WCbcDqG OPQZNKnrEr5NkBIyUu16mYS1gTA1qjyCCrRDZh5UyfmJY+zPrB43bTA7Jj8E32xCFZfM f9Nw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.83.98 with SMTP id p2mr9440268wiy.20.1416706155949; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:29:15 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.106.136 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:29:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:29:15 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: wFfr8W5ch7W1k3Jz5dIcBtOu7Gk Message-ID: Subject: Re: iwn wi-fi and hostap From: Adrian Chadd To: Anders Jensen-Waud Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:29:18 -0000 Hi! I don't think the iwn driver in FreeBSD supports hostapd operation. And it's only supported by some of the iwn NIC firmware, not all of them. sorry :( -a On 22 November 2014 at 02:53, Anders Jensen-Waud wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to set up an older IBM laptop as a wireless access point. > FreeBSD 10.1 (amd64) correctly identifies the wireless card: > > iwn0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x11118086 chip=0x42308086 > rev=0x61 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = 'PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection' > class = network > > In trying to set it up with hostap, I get the following error: > > root@beastie> ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev iwn0 wlanmode hostap bssid > authmode open ssid bsdwifi > ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE2: Operation not supported > > Is there some method of configuring iwn so that it can function as an > access point? > > Thanks, > > Anders > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 02:21:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7E5E504 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 02:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x232.google.com (mail-lb0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A003379 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 02:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id f15so4825924lbj.37 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:21:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fkce+u+aTG8uNI7lNmXVFs2AFC7LBd02u3cP1F29b74=; b=qeqatqLOWB7SRFbSGzCNwH2LJ0VoD6smytZVnI3R3u6dntoryEs05lZ4he5GxrSpiK gd245mN0kVyu9zDP79fNo6yD6aYY2TJNauZ2Aq/nwMkqYJqMERuJtD1AG7lrhzvlSn8s 5XIjCFX3Wp0fRXMI+H7OpTc2TVw2vR95TRNGVftJ4GGGyK5KuYDg7JXvbiQLr1bzbEUW v4xBuJdCiEyYmUK94/aoSfX0feDxeUxGpgo5soPsTiovZVBLWJqViaypMvreWZrg0TTP aTvWomyNi0q3mBF3q8UYXAG3WAJ1EDd9GODZx/DovtJQQcDGPGqY5vfdbz8iqVQp8Gft ig4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.201.6 with SMTP id jw6mr13408215lbc.30.1416709275550; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.31.2 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:21:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <546E5D2D.6010603@gmail.com> <54700218.8090300@bananmonarki.se> <54708578.5070401@bananmonarki.se> <54708DC4.8070209@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:21:15 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: olvwm on amd64 From: Luciano Rottava da Silva To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 02:21:18 -0000 Someone could please explain what is going on? I am afraid I have no more ideas. ### binary olvwm from latest i386 FreeBSD package, downloaded and expanded in a temp dir: root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # file olvwm olvwm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 9.1, stripped ### checking shared libs dependency: root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ldd olvwm olvwm: libXpm.so.4 => not found (0) libolgx.so.3 => /usr/lib32/libolgx.so.3 (0x280ad000) libXext.so.6 => not found (0) libX11.so.6 => not found (0) libm.so.5 => /usr/lib32/libm.so.5 (0x280bb000) libc.so.7 => /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x280e4000) ### checking if missing libs are known by the system: root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ldconfig -32 -r | head -2 /var/run/ld-elf32.so.hints: search directories: /usr/lib32:/usr/local/lib32/compat ### double checking (the same result for all missing libs): root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # file /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4 /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, not stripped ### RPATH says what? root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # readelf -d olvwm Dynamic section at offset 0x44014 contains 26 entries: Tag Type Name/Value 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXpm.so.4] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libolgx.so.3] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXext.so.6] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libX11.so.6] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.5] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.7] 0x0000000f (RPATH) Library rpath: [/usr/local/lib] ### trying to change RPATH with below setenv root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # cat /root/.cshrc | grep LIBRARY setenv LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib32/compat:/usr/lib32 ### no success. )-: root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ./olvwm /usr/local/lib/libXpm.so.4: unsupported file layout What can I do? Thanks in advance, Luciano. On 22 November 2014 at 13:34, Luciano Rottava da Silva wrote: > No chaps, I am not trying to compile xview or olvwm. I am just trying to > run them - the FreeBSD 32-bit version - on my amd64. > > So I downloaded the binary packages, xview* and olvwm from ftp server. > > Then untar and now trying to put the 32-bit version of the shared > libraries in the right paths in order to run olvwm. > > root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # readelf -d olvwm > > Dynamic section at offset 0x44014 contains 26 entries: > Tag Type Name/Value > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXpm.so.4] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libolgx.so.3] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXext.so.6] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libX11.so.6] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.5] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.7] > 0x0000000f (RPATH) Library rpath: [/usr/local/lib] > > Like I said, problem seems to be related to library path. Readelf output > shows that, RPATH var env. > > Searching mailing list archive I found this, which is exactly my problem: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-May/067787.html > > Question is; how make RPATH search for 32-bit version of libX11, libXext > and libXpm? > > My .cshrc has a setenv LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib32/compat, but > that did not help. > > More ideas? > > Thanks, > Luciano. > > > On 22 November 2014 at 11:21, Bernt Hansson wrote: > >> On 2014-11-22 13:45, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> >>> Xview is broken. >>> >>> On 2014-11-22 07:45, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>> >>>> Hm! Well, that doesn't look like it's a problem with a 64 bit system >>>> in particular - see where that .tmpl file is supposed to be? >>>> >>> >> >> :/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/xview # make >> ===> xview-3.2.1.4.19c_1 depends on executable: mkfontdir - found >> ===> xview-3.2.1.4.19c_1 depends on executable: mkfontscale - found >> ^[ (escape) menu ^y search prompt ^k delete line ^p prev li ^g prev >> page >> make -f Imakefile >> "Imakefile", line 3: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 4: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 5: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 9: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 10: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 11: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 20: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 21: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 38: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 39: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 42: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 43: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 44: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 45: Missing dependency operator >> "Imakefile", line 46: Missing dependency operator >> "Imakefile", line 47: Missing dependency operator >> "Imakefile", line 48: Missing dependency operator >> "Imakefile", line 49: Missing dependency operator >> "Imakefile", line 50: Missing dependency operator >> "Imakefile", line 53: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 54: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 63: Missing dependency operator >> "Imakefile", line 101: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 102: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 103: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 143: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 144: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 145: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 165: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 166: Need an operator >> "Imakefile", line 167: Need an operator >> make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 08:20:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4961F340; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 08:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 106DF82B; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 08:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id sAN8KiIS087171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:20:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id sAN8KiQ5087170; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:20:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA07537; Sun, 23 Nov 14 00:12:08 PST Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 00:12:06 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: cjr@cruwe.de Subject: Re: value of maintaining emacs-mode packages in ports Message-Id: <547196d6.0EssiMZ6UyLBTSMQ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> In-Reply-To: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 08:20:55 -0000 "Christopher J. Ruwe" wrote: > ... Emacs, the very good operating system > missing only a decent editor ... Perhaps someone should port vi to it? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 09:05:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F054F28; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay05.ispgateway.de (smtprelay05.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3DB8BB0; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [87.79.248.78] (helo=fabiankeil.de) by smtprelay05.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XsT6e-0004ak-32; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 10:05:20 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 10:05:22 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: value of maintaining emacs-mode packages in ports Message-ID: <5d99ed09.24995b87@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> References: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> Reply-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/oy.saMF4UBcuuz4VGIE3AKH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: Nzc1MDY3 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:05:44 -0000 --Sig_/oy.saMF4UBcuuz4VGIE3AKH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Christopher J. Ruwe" wrote: > I am well aware that very probably I might be starting a rant thread, > however, I am genuinely interested in opinions from the community. >=20 > Since version 24, Emacs, the very good operating system missing only a > decent editor, has developed a package manager for Emacs > extensions. Some good repos exist, packages are usually installed to > ~/.emacs.d and I have come to really enjoy that way of installing > packages. >=20 > In that light and as the ports maintainer of math/ess, the Emacs > speaks statistics R-mode of emacs, I am asking myself specifically > whether I add any real benefit in maintaining math/ess. More > generally, I am interested in community answers as to whether it is > really useful to maintain Emacs-extension-packages in ports. I don't use math/ess, but in general I prefer to install application extensions from ports. I already know how it works and this way I also can check were the software is coming from without having to familiarise myself with various different package managers and know that checksums have been verified before installing it. Does ELPA verify checksums? After searching the web for a couple of minutes My impression is that it installs whatever the server (or a MITM) provides but hopefully my impression is incorrect. Fabian --Sig_/oy.saMF4UBcuuz4VGIE3AKH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlRxo1IACgkQBYqIVf93VJ2qygCgsEVdt8hpwS+TINWQvX02yKni PO4AoIu58InxxikBUuBThYeSCaqy2NNb =OV6f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/oy.saMF4UBcuuz4VGIE3AKH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 10:14:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F292AB5 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 10:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-x22a.google.com (mail-ob0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E49716E for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 10:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id wp18so5992045obc.1 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 02:14:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Nninq2Q19qWtxcAqz4PNCMCttVmUEpK37u18VDMdCe8=; b=iClXnDKKyMxXrr2zIcb1/p2QFVhgoiuVgnmq1Rrkafbz6GUnUJa38wJuCSkc1Q29E9 8v4QYqfYHUXj04Wqi1RRBmZzekeyFho0PfyVUO/Vi9M+VG/v6HtptJD9IJZJPlyjtCnx HMqLtJlHPdR/uCCmZOg0DJktfBuP1jSyKZJ7SttWGa9KO5+dToBgqBNoHBZ8TD1oAxIX Q8dUoNj+qcdrN0iAM0TnmdAoDTznLqDl9Ti9Up5NWdz9aw5dnAO/BsaSmkmYP15iK1og ft5MLAwW+4QjOSIRGnwpJGrTd6PVw9H1e8nesE+IN/5wf4Sq0MHity37GEWczB1TspCu /mUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.102.211 with SMTP id fq19mr9136866oeb.2.1416737656621; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 02:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.167.135 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 02:14:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <544BEBB8.7000408@radel.com> References: <5447AD3F.8060304@bytecamp.net> <54490752.7080504@radel.com> <544BEBB8.7000408@radel.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:14:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IPv6 aliases on FreeBSD 10 From: pepe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 10:14:17 -0000 Hello! I was on vacation for a while and too busy to do anything about this. But now we've done testing and we're getting nowhere... Current config is: inet6 2001:14b8:1801::2 prefixlen 64 inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c001 prefixlen 64 inet6 2001:14b8:1801::3 prefixlen 64 inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c002 prefixlen 64 inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1:: prefixlen 64 inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1::1 prefixlen 64 And from those addresses only first two are working. I also tried adding aliases with /128 instead of /64, but it changed nothing. With /128 it worked just the same way. I've used fe80::1%em0 and 2001:14b8:1801::1 as default gw. Both of those work, but same thing with either gw, only those two addresses work. Current rc.conf is: ipv6_activate_all_interfaces="YES" #ipv6_defaultrouter="2001:14b8:1801::1" ipv6_defaultrouter="fe80::1%em0" ifconfig_em0_ipv6="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c001 prefixlen 64" ifconfig_em0_alias59="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::2 prefixlen 64" ifconfig_em0_alias60="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c002 prefixlen 64" ifconfig_em0_alias61="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::3 prefixlen 64" ifconfig_em0_alias62="inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1:: prefixlen 64" ifconfig_em0_alias63="inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1::1 prefixlen 64" alias58 is ipv4, so this starts from 59. As you can see I've tried both gw:n on rc.conf, it changes nothing. And I've tried aliases with /128 prefix and it changes nothing. I'm starting to think it's problem on ISP side and not ours. But just to sure - anyone have any ideas what more to try? On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Jon Radel wrote: > On 10/25/14, 4:00 AM, pepe wrote: > >> I know it's usually done with /64, but my ISP just said: your block is >> 2001:14b8:1801::/48 and >> defaultrouter should be ::1. So I can't really change that. >> >> >> Either you have misunderstood what they meant by that, or your ISP is > run by loons. You might wish to determine which and proceed accordingly, > particularly if you are lucky enough to have a choice of ISPs. > > --Jon Radel > jon@radel.com > > -- pepe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 11:20:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D59E471 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x230.google.com (mail-yh0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F4288BB for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i57so3554343yha.7 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 03:20:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vtQFvu0iSGDataIU2TwkWyJVeiWoLbpRqDwm5DlIhGk=; b=oirUu1mGXii28IsP3wbUfEpNO/i4VuxGx6A5rVyemTg2O5TL1zzaCLOTAab+5MNT7R TvYHVwJsL7UWmxsCyHHuthyK9BwRppxqgfU3TNzCDxKSxrn6Fb2IFzTFfogVZGKRhGsy vFmLX5wgDeEW9Bl/YaqugGIjMuwKnULRorXR4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vtQFvu0iSGDataIU2TwkWyJVeiWoLbpRqDwm5DlIhGk=; b=mnvOQDPnZNgDLDc+s4F5YgYv3PMFgdNuI/xsfVua80t1f/rVQ2ccfZ9w8lYAzMQN7w Kjxs21OUNnSRpfw8m0x1lk+GyS1aQL5XJWgHQgziO3Viy57JHkZaSjceX4abtrAFQS4Z TRFeRTomPSeg0vXw2sJpWlHrW1z4YZWQDikFwaWKdLhZ7wP7XKCNdzrolJnCq/hjT6f/ n19kmhhhyEEAQqEcxNX40E0YW/hwx3sQMaYJ+uDh8P8IP010DYgzL7V9oNgSB1rJwx8V 9zAxDBxOpNCyrzsGO+yFSu9aWPNlluf/BVzclwfeqI291rF3cn98cKnd7DRhaIzQpj4d +7NA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmFQ2L54BBOyTv2pokFeAKBNzzzwl9+QNFsREUO68Ow5nkat2/Xq+GF3HlCqAL6h+O+alyy X-Received: by 10.170.136.84 with SMTP id d81mr13694142ykc.11.1416741603162; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 03:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v68sm5578032yhp.2.2014.11.23.03.20.02 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Nov 2014 03:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.104.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3jlptn5nSTz5T7Hl for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:20:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:20:00 -0500 From: Jerry To: User questions Subject: Re: net-im/skype* vs. linux-c6-*: Message-ID: <20141123062000.1e0441ad@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <3171138.bPutE9K8Gj@photon.home.palmen-it.de> References: <20141107163008.GO1156@albert.catwhisker.org> <20141110012733.GE1239@albert.catwhisker.org> <20141111132312.GA1808@mx12.chaot.net> <3171138.bPutE9K8Gj@photon.home.palmen-it.de> Reply-To: User questions Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:20:04 -0000 On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 02:20:36 +0100, Felix Palmen stated: >Hello, > >Am Dienstag, 11. November 2014, 15:23:12 schrieben Sie: >> a) as far as I know Microsoft doesn't allow any client before 4.3, that >> would block net-im/skype and net-im/skype-devel. If you test, and find it >> works, can you let me know please? >> >> b) we're still lacking the syscalls required by Skype 4.3 in 11.0-CURRENT, >> although dchagin@ is making good progress. > >for a), it's possible to circumvent that by once connecting with 4.3, then >downgrading to 4.2. It can be patched to report the same version string as >4.3, but I didn't test, whether this is strictly required. Given the fact >that 11-CURRENT can obviously run skype 4.3 just fine now, but still has >problems with the linux pulseaudio libs (thus, rendering a skype version >that supports sound only through pulseaudio pointless), I came up with the >following workaround for getting a fully working skype at the moment, as >long as there are things missing for linux-pulseaudio: > >1.) Get hold of an earlier version of net-im/skype4 still installing skype >4.2, place it in net-im/skype42 for convenience > >2.) remove the broken flag and the pulseaudio dependency from net-im/skype4 >Makefile > >3.) install net-im/skype4, run it, log on making sure you check the checkbox >for automatic logon (important!). > >4.) exit skype, make sure no process is left over (use kill -9 if necessary) > >5.) uninstall net-im/skype4, install net-im/skype42 > >6.) This MIGHT be unneccesary, not sure about this -- patch skype 4.2 to >report 4.3 version string: ># gsed -i >"s/\x34\x2E\x32\x2E\x30\x2E\x31\x33/\x34\x2E\x33\x2E\x30\x2E\x33\x37/g" >/usr/local/share/skype/skype > >Skype should now work. This assumes running a system recent enough to run >skype 4.3 (obviously, without the pulseaudio stuff), having chosen the -c6 >linux ports as default and having a working setup for alsa shim in >/compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/pcm-oss.conf It never ceases to amaze me how much effort people will put into trying to hack something to get it to work, when if the same effort were put into making the system truly compliant it would reward the end user with far more benefits and reduce future problems. In the long run, it would most likely be easier to do too. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 12:06:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CD7FFF0 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x232.google.com (mail-la0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBDC4CFD for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id pv20so6414063lab.9 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 04:06:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ah7x0rlQylf1oVfaDVgfHsS2mOphlVktHA0JYQtwOiY=; b=mj060sGni7fbzoCdZWO4xhvMZnLzNeFzsHl+r1cvP5BMP9KM7qD0YAl8gFSyEMofhx HVp+jYCLSR8OkVZdVsni7tMK2I+ulQilLvqi9DgAiEhAJUFLL9Vj5N8/CuL5VQ2vERwn KPSrfQSIzSyrfGwbRcmTMn3BF7YS01nixaYsQ4xLq7XpvD9huLe5gPR0YDlvllwEwY6C 6vyX9lTtbA6G8zrc3IL8iulM7ktuHA0QtJVQL7oFzpY+pX5g5tvoGXPOGuBdHTce2bAV FQmlAeS5ME4b2n2izqmqN541HXV1F1+N7618bqLVQgkD90ijfiXPCqMutbGDH7MKb/Js 7gMg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.137.234 with SMTP id ql10mr14068668lbb.91.1416744411819; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 04:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.184.132 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 04:06:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141123062000.1e0441ad@scorpio> References: <20141107163008.GO1156@albert.catwhisker.org> <20141110012733.GE1239@albert.catwhisker.org> <20141111132312.GA1808@mx12.chaot.net> <3171138.bPutE9K8Gj@photon.home.palmen-it.de> <20141123062000.1e0441ad@scorpio> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:06:51 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: net-im/skype* vs. linux-c6-*: From: Outback Dingo To: User questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:06:54 -0000 On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 02:20:36 +0100, Felix Palmen stated: > > >Hello, > > > >Am Dienstag, 11. November 2014, 15:23:12 schrieben Sie: > >> a) as far as I know Microsoft doesn't allow any client before 4.3, that > >> would block net-im/skype and net-im/skype-devel. If you test, and find > it > >> works, can you let me know please? > >> > >> b) we're still lacking the syscalls required by Skype 4.3 in > 11.0-CURRENT, > >> although dchagin@ is making good progress. > > > >for a), it's possible to circumvent that by once connecting with 4.3, then > >downgrading to 4.2. It can be patched to report the same version string as > >4.3, but I didn't test, whether this is strictly required. Given the fact > >that 11-CURRENT can obviously run skype 4.3 just fine now, but still has > >problems with the linux pulseaudio libs (thus, rendering a skype version > >that supports sound only through pulseaudio pointless), I came up with the > >following workaround for getting a fully working skype at the moment, as > >long as there are things missing for linux-pulseaudio: > > > >1.) Get hold of an earlier version of net-im/skype4 still installing skype > >4.2, place it in net-im/skype42 for convenience > > > >2.) remove the broken flag and the pulseaudio dependency from > net-im/skype4 > >Makefile > > > >3.) install net-im/skype4, run it, log on making sure you check the > checkbox > >for automatic logon (important!). > > > >4.) exit skype, make sure no process is left over (use kill -9 if > necessary) > > > >5.) uninstall net-im/skype4, install net-im/skype42 > > > >6.) This MIGHT be unneccesary, not sure about this -- patch skype 4.2 to > >report 4.3 version string: > ># gsed -i > >"s/\x34\x2E\x32\x2E\x30\x2E\x31\x33/\x34\x2E\x33\x2E\x30\x2E\x33\x37/g" > >/usr/local/share/skype/skype > > > >Skype should now work. This assumes running a system recent enough to run > >skype 4.3 (obviously, without the pulseaudio stuff), having chosen the -c6 > >linux ports as default and having a working setup for alsa shim in > >/compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/pcm-oss.conf > > It never ceases to amaze me how much effort people will put into trying to > hack something to get it to work, when if the same effort were put into > making > the system truly compliant it would reward the end user with far more > benefits > and reduce future problems. In the long run, it would most likely be easier > to do too. > > not that its helps users with global skype friends... but you can download and install tox from https://tox.im/ it does literally everything skype does, its also free and encrypted. and it runs on everything, so maybe its time to get the world to switch to a free opensource application that easily replaces skype with no central authority. just my thoughts > -- > Jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 12:39:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83FAD8E5 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x232.google.com (mail-yh0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30AB8FC3 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 29so3917767yhl.37 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 04:39:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jJfhBEm9ZQzvlKBYrYxTFzk3j1jNb3nuQok80wUWWe4=; b=CuJzRa3OXaDqyUNW+b7vn7prH9bnQJpu8j11zUUmhP+WzKF/vq5sMeczMBYoBW0R5z g7Xo0YdKGpy4pb72O4FY51jglDoKiliWTMUpjz+95pBbXazH/ylyb/0McLybOdpozYiy iE8u0gCU45MhumjriL6Fri0G/ppqvemM59nOA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jJfhBEm9ZQzvlKBYrYxTFzk3j1jNb3nuQok80wUWWe4=; b=AtC2I1EeiqdC8xMc6DhIUreaxHwUtN5k6X5vFXoDtq1NqANwMvoay2NnpCFWKP7Pxv dzXFpSii1CshHtpQHgiuqQzEJ/FWo2m9n5YDdDVsgeMEgT1EpROnT06fAE3yaI6BTA4L 1MJPwn43UI18FbI1Z/h6sUlZRn5lIGDCYriOY/MuIfieRg6rR0JRquR4fR9j9i1SdDj/ pKGstR7cb+LEhNUplEfby17YQey7ciSXXFS4u9EE5kMKYzwHUypgMeuHl+Ma2lhE31Ma PaizCWg4Cfusn3SuGKubTSTJ1kN7h6wvCKvWXxlqoqqrTDQAbFa5nu+jBNKfWwOw9jgC p3vg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnTE4qGxUn44VVNclQ3bEBKEj1WVQY5jKXhzO8Bgqsi0J1LdxI5Ovz1KtyyjXMLTCarWy15 X-Received: by 10.170.121.142 with SMTP id n136mr13392608ykb.123.1416746361305; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 04:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c67sm5633409yhn.36.2014.11.23.04.39.20 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Nov 2014 04:39:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com [76.182.104.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3jlrfJ2DGXz5T7Hg for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 07:39:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 07:39:18 -0500 From: Jerry To: User questions Subject: Re: net-im/skype* vs. linux-c6-*: Message-ID: <20141123073918.5f1b81c0@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20141107163008.GO1156@albert.catwhisker.org> <20141110012733.GE1239@albert.catwhisker.org> <20141111132312.GA1808@mx12.chaot.net> <3171138.bPutE9K8Gj@photon.home.palmen-it.de> <20141123062000.1e0441ad@scorpio> Reply-To: User questions Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:39:22 -0000 On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:06:51 +1100, Outback Dingo stated: >not that its helps users with global skype friends... but you can download >and install tox from https://tox.im/ it does literally everything skype >does, its also free and encrypted. >and it runs on everything, so maybe its time to get the world to switch to >a free opensource application that easily replaces skype with no central >authority. just my thoughts Not really, it does not support "Conference calls", nor can you log in simultaneously on two devices. Also, apparently IP addresses are being expose. What I find most disturbing is that the project is being run by a group of hackers. Somehow that does not give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Plus, I can see no way that this would tie into a Microsoft Office Work-group, which is where I use Skype extensively. In addition, the "tox" literature claims it is more secure because it is encrypted. Skype is also encrypted. I guess it boils down to what your requirements are. If you only need it to talk to "ma" an "pa", then "tox" is fine. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 12:53:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33386AC0; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76A3191; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber7.nber.org (nber7.nber.org [198.71.6.41]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sANCWeWP052276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 23 Nov 2014 07:32:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 07:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Feenberg To: "Christopher J. Ruwe" Subject: Re: value of maintaining emacs-mode packages in ports In-Reply-To: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> Message-ID: References: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (LRH 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20140401 #7726142, check: 20141123 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:53:08 -0000 On Sun, 23 Nov 2014, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > > In that light and as the ports maintainer of math/ess, the Emacs > speaks statistics R-mode of emacs, I am asking myself specifically > whether I add any real benefit in maintaining math/ess. More > generally, I am interested in community answers as to whether it is > really useful to maintain Emacs-extension-packages in ports. > As a non-Emacs user, can I raise some questions that should be asked every time a service/feature is withdrawn? If you stop maintaining math/ess, does it go away, or merely stop improving? Does the Emacs package system support the same versions of Emacs that you support in math/ess? If a user upgrades FreeBSD will he lose what he has unless he converts to the new Emacs package system? Is the Emacs package system something that requires an installation of its own? May I suggest that if you let it go away, you place a README file where Emacs-extension-packages was that points users to the replacement, with instructions for how to get there? Not everyone using Emacs on FreeBSD follows the mailing lists for FreeBSD, (or Emacs). Daniel Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 13:14:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E3B2E80 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 13:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.perfora.net", Issuer "Thawte SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3A49368 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 13:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.27.2.50] (107-145-15-87.res.bhn.net [107.145.15.87]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MHZgA-1XvpSf3Sua-003JWg; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 13:49:47 +0100 Message-ID: <5471D7E8.90300@wholesum.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 07:49:44 -0500 From: Nikolai Wendorf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: net boot sparc64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:7jjMMB9RdODxPPA+ybdjhId6W4dPzUG22HE5oNFFFYj aeiLhiCXzP2TAVnJPnJe/10To7TEn38zr6cIyZWdWFPKxbLrKr UkT+HWiO9ugNtolvpwOqqV/NPySAFfdo+ndoG9hug70uX0RiRD 5IyG7rESMF1GGqVS8cZKuvPhQk15CtJ6k5FCwvFRToN/ZOxfcm x2WkS7MTQ/gqO5gBH3XfpugyyObz13dKB4LgPb5yqFseduQc+c tOl+EhlYLg9JniL8nwNAkZjDyjDTt4aMjI9SLdAlORrxYh3RCC LQir7v1fzSM49WEW0+Lfrw/+1+S3JFnMgHedW2nMp7nzJ0Lrhg Mh7W0nF4P0j5AiGCOP9Q= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 13:14:23 -0000 just wondering if this page is still a good description for loading up 9.3 https://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/DP1/installation-sparc64.html CD-ROM is defunct on my E-450 Nick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 19:05:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 171AD404 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 19:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-32.italiaonline.it (smtp-32.italiaonline.it [212.48.25.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA5994C for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 19:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from soth.ventu ([151.41.133.212]) by smtp-32.iol.local with bizsmtp id K73n1p00V4b6vlT0Y73oAJ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:03:49 +0100 x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=b+s8472x c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=aEHEqg2L5nDZKp0uWL+Ugw==:117 a=aEHEqg2L5nDZKp0uWL+Ugw==:17 a=9JsmjkwClTQA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=5y4faFyK3SkA:10 a=57oBhaoVK3MGZyhNcdEA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sANJ3lRT092836; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:03:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <54722F93.80602@netfence.it> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:03:47 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: value of maintaining emacs-mode packages in ports References: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> In-Reply-To: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 19:05:00 -0000 On 11/23/14 00:32, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > I am well aware that very probably I might be starting a rant thread, > however, I am genuinely interested in opinions from the community. > ... More > generally, I am interested in community answers as to whether it is > really useful to maintain Emacs-extension-packages in ports. Hello. I was asking myself the same question some days ago... I'm no emacs-port maintainer, so my PoV was that of a user, wondering where to look first and which repository/package manager was best used in case what I was looking for was present in both. Rather than give an answer, I'll raise a further doubt: isn't this question applicabile in general (e.g. to Firefox with it's xpi ports)? While I like having my installed xpi/emacs extension listed in pkg's reports (and only look in one place), I don't think the port system might be able to track them all, so I'll eventually end up anyway with some package which is not installed via pkg. Just my 2c. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 22:26:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAFD528F for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65943F12 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xsfc3-0003gu-7E for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:26:35 +0100 Received: from p4fddd890.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([79.221.216.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:26:35 +0100 Received: from christian.baer by p4fddd890.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:26:35 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: How much space does raidz2 'eat'? Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:26:23 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <20141123232623.39d46c80@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p4fddd890.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:26:47 -0000 Good evening dear users! :-) I just installed my first file server with zfs/zpool. Until now I only ever used UFS. My pool consists of 7 HDDs of the type WDC WD40EFRX-68WT0N0. smart tells me the user capacity is: 4,000,787,030,016 bytes. After creating a raidz2 pool, I get this: Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on /dev/ufs/root 992M 491M 421M 54% 2.2k 129k 2% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% 0 0 100% /dev /dev/ufs/var 34G 1.1G 30G 4% 2.1k 4.7M 0% /var /dev/ufs/usr 58G 6.0G 47G 11% 269k 7.6M 3% /usr arc1 16T 192K 16T 0% 7 35G 0% /arc1 Notes: #1 I did not use phyiscal drives but geli-providers. I want an encrypted pool. #2 This pool is mainly for cold storage. I do not need extremely high performance, but I'd rather optimize it for space. Now I know that while WD works with kB, FreeBSD works with KiB (factor 1024). However, if I break this drive down to that and multiply that by 5, I get 18.19TiB, while df gives me 16TiB. Sure, there is some overhead and all, but certainly (hopefully) not 2 whole TiB! That would be more than 10%. Is this normal or am I missing something? Regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 22:59:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65BB9F13 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4899235 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:59:19 +0000 (UTC) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.16.8 (ClamAV engine v0.97.8) Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:e40e:6eec:b736:996e] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 468407; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:59:05 +0000 Message-ID: <54725884.5060006@radel.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 16:58:28 -0500 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pepe , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPv6 aliases on FreeBSD 10 References: <5447AD3F.8060304@bytecamp.net> <54490752.7080504@radel.com> <544BEBB8.7000408@radel.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050500060608070008000205" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:59:20 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050500060608070008000205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/23/14, 5:14 AM, pepe wrote: > I also tried adding > aliases with /128 instead of /64, but it changed nothing. > With /128 it worked just the same way. As one of the people mentioning /128s, I'd like to retract that=20 suggestion; I've been reading the ipv6 related documentation given that=20 I'm bringing up my first 10.1 box with ipv6.....and things have changed=20 a bit since 8.4. > > Current rc.conf is: > ipv6_activate_all_interfaces=3D"YES" > #ipv6_defaultrouter=3D"2001:14b8:1801::1" > ipv6_defaultrouter=3D"fe80::1%em0" > ifconfig_em0_ipv6=3D"inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c001 prefixlen 64" > ifconfig_em0_alias59=3D"inet6 2001:14b8:1801::2 prefixlen 64" > ifconfig_em0_alias60=3D"inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c002 prefixlen 64" > ifconfig_em0_alias61=3D"inet6 2001:14b8:1801::3 prefixlen 64" > ifconfig_em0_alias62=3D"inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1:: prefixlen 64" > ifconfig_em0_alias63=3D"inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1::1 prefixlen 64" > Just making sure that you realize that if the ISP's equipment is=20 addressed 2001:14b8:1801::1/64, it wouldn't necessarily do good things=20 with your address 2001:14b8:1801:1::/64 unless it had a route to that=20 network. But that's an aside and doesn't appear to be the root issue=20 you're dealing with. > > I'm starting to think it's problem on ISP side and not ours. But just t= o > sure - anyone have any ideas what more to try? > > I read through this thread, and as far as I can tell, you've told us=20 almost nothing useful about the topology of your network. Where does=20 the cable from em0 go? Directly into the ISP's equipment? If so, what=20 kind of equipment are we talking about? What type of media? I admit=20 complete ignorance of the industry norms specific to Finland, but around = these parts it makes a world of difference whether you're talking=20 directly to a cable carrier's "modem" or a point-to-point circuit into a = high-end router. What I would do, given what little I know about your topology: 1) Run "ndp -an" on your machine. All the addresses you expect to=20 work should show up as permanent entries in this table. 2) You're not doing any firewalling are you? 3) If you don't run em0 into a switch, insert one (preferably one that=20 does L3 and port mirroring, if you just happen to have access to one=20 like that) between the server and your ISP. 4) Attach another ipv6 speaking machine to the switch. Can it ping=20 all the addresses? Does its ndp table show the proper mac address for=20 all the addresses? 5) Optional: mirror all the traffic on the switch port attached to the = ISP the test machine you added and using tcpdump or wireshark or=20 what-have-you look at the traffic between the ISP and your server. If the test machine in #4 reaches all the server addresses just fine=20 even though the ISP doesn't, particularly if #5 shows the ISP never=20 sending the traffic that should be going to the "non-functional"=20 addresses, my leading suspicion would be that that the ISP's equipment=20 has very, very limited capacity for a L2 address table, quite possibly=20 as a matter of deliberate configuration, and after it learns about N=20 neighbors, where N is a very small number, it simply ignores any=20 additional addresses. Other than getting your ISP to do something about = that, the only fix I can think of is to put a router (which is where a=20 L3 switch would be handy) between your ISP and your server. Then, in=20 theory, your ISP's equipment should have to deal with the only addresses = on the outside of your router in L2 and everything else would be L3=20 routing. My big concern about that, however, is that the default=20 address they've given you is actually in your /48, so it's unclear to me = what the heck they're doing with the routing. 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+0100 From: Roland Smith To: "Christopher J. Ruwe" Subject: Re: value of maintaining emacs-mode packages in ports Message-ID: <20141123234838.GA36524@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: "Christopher J. Ruwe" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:49:52 -0000 --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:32:14AM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > I am well aware that very probably I might be starting a rant thread, > however, I am genuinely interested in opinions from the community. >=20 > Since version 24, Emacs, the very good operating system missing only a > decent editor, has developed a package manager for Emacs > extensions. Some good repos exist, packages are usually installed to > ~/.emacs.d and I have come to really enjoy that way of installing > packages. >=20 > In that light and as the ports maintainer of math/ess, the Emacs > speaks statistics R-mode of emacs, I am asking myself specifically > whether I add any real benefit in maintaining math/ess. More > generally, I am interested in community answers as to whether it is > really useful to maintain Emacs-extension-packages in ports. >=20 > Thanks for your thoughts, cheers, It might help to see this question in a broader context. There are several communities that have there own repositories/package managers these days, e.g: * TeX * Perl * Python * Ruby * Node * Emacs Yet the maintainers of the ports system go through the effort of maintaining ports for a lot of these packages, even though it might strictly speaking be considered a duplication of effort. There are at least two big reasons that I can think of; 1) FreeBSD specific patches are necessary to build a package. (I.e. every p= ort that has a files subdirectory.) The ports tree is arguably the right pla= ce for that. The best case would be that such changes are merged upstream, = but that doesn't always happen. 2) A foreign package might depend on a FreeBSD port or the other way around. How could this be handled properly if not in the ports tree? So by its very nature, if you want to reap the benefits of the ports infrastructure for your package, you have to *use* said infrastructure. Packages that *can* install in a user's $HOME directory and have no non-obvious dependencies are the exception to this rule, I think. No one wi= ll expect e.g. a vim bundle to do anything useful when vim is not installed! But such packages are obviously only available to the user that has install= ed them. So for a multi-user installation a port would still make more sense. 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Randi Harper, one of your employees, has created a blacklist that has labelled 10 000 innocent people as "the worst harassers" "cockmuffins" and the likes. I have already filed an ftc complaint regarding the illegality of the use of said blacklist, but if possible, can you speak to her about this? This is deeply concerning. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 04:19:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ADE5A97 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 04:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f169.google.com (mail-wi0-f169.google.com [209.85.212.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2185B2F8 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 04:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id r20so7656699wiv.2 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:19:47 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Baqduv4Mqtrn3YGU16qYtCC+oeVu98AC9+OgllZvffA=; b=lHV0wHoGdhfEy+nEa6kg78IhGperGBtwj+MuwTt/ORdANPXVbQjbvo3DRWLD75qSCJ e2AqPkFZZJuWjqmmw7qfNcMha7r4YdOR8IBTigiks890P5kl5TLdQb71WwbPCXO6MxTC XJ6A8t3axA9Sl1FsavAe2T5nz6ISPfQm2Hgb3z0TXLNWMgPP14bszWxNQ8HOGSrQFs/c 5O+vv4PsY6/PTNTgKFyR/cal2TQcX+WGC0n9TCxHgFM/HKvy2j9FmkEF/6jcW/AuJ9cC H70RpYBs5aNooj7sRY1v1H67Fy4Y5jaGntgmeF9iO53iAdwDjFqwxPZnMaQI3klHi3f9 x+og== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmBEYXDiXo5nCahrVIY0QO8kNFXKDV490D13wvOogITbq7Tltvz/7yFJYs5lUx40ZFI/Dh3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.206.4 with SMTP id lk4mr18082184wic.47.1416802787193; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.175.10 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:19:47 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [101.173.213.59] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:19:47 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iwn wi-fi and hostap From: Anders Jensen-Waud To: Adrian Chadd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 04:19:50 -0000 Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Hi! > > I don't think the iwn driver in FreeBSD supports hostapd operation. > And it's only supported by some of the iwn NIC firmware, not all of > them. > > sorry :( > > No worries, thank you for the advise! Would you be able to recommend a good USB wi-fi dongle, which I can purchase for my device, which would enable it to act as a reliable access point? > > -a > > Anders > > On 22 November 2014 at 02:53, Anders Jensen-Waud > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am trying to set up an older IBM laptop as a wireless access point. > > FreeBSD 10.1 (amd64) correctly identifies the wireless card: > > > > iwn0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x11118086 chip=0x42308086 > > rev=0x61 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = 'PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network > Connection' > > class = network > > > > In trying to set it up with hostap, I get the following error: > > > > root@beastie> ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev iwn0 wlanmode hostap bssid > > authmode open ssid bsdwifi > > ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE2: Operation not supported > > > > Is there some method of configuring iwn so that it can function as an > > access point? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Anders > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 04:58:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87933E12 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 04:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AC8685B for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 04:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [76.105.6.133] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa02.server.lan (via HTTP); Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:58:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Throw Away" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Freebsdgirl / Randi Harper Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:58:11 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:L7pAFjyawFS88nJXkPhBzjPfVP3Xay3h6S63PlZOsld ygq/4THhpOQt/Zaprln5f1lAuzTabfqgpYMhBfh9r7TLzVzzQI b8vcdFS/yg2J+e9J7os4TlUDxCaHoJj/Zr8IRLXzTdJwv4va3G TtGVLfo30nayrwyjBh9nv7dMWZEoQ8KpMYPsD0sxju9Nbe61h8 FWLIXfgrtiiYRJbXbgGQ9df3X65yXols2S6xs8mtsV4vdTIwn5 GR0fTIpEvSShT5t2sMQXD+YzCeBzhGHDXhZdBdM53tEG3UyNDJ EQoBaWen+OvEeEkcO0lEzBUW29n X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 04:58:18 -0000 Hey there, can you look into someone by the name @freebsdgirl, AKA Randi Harper, or her twitter handle "kill all men". Shes making everyone at the freebsd project look like idiot's. To make matters worse shes dox'ing people over twitter that have used your public mailing list to write complaints about her. Thats why I'm using a throwaway email, its not safe to contact you on my real address. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 05:29:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E6EE5CA for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B087AD0 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [76.105.6.133] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa06.server.lan (via HTTP); Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:24:04 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Throw AwayTwo" <465m8en567nib@mail.com> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Freebsdgirl / Randi Harper - Followup Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:24:04 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:5dtWQkG6HFTyXyU/LNhI53dgMWbYaNHdu/v4GzM7JzZ B2liZdka1RMiO89g6KakLlbhL6AVOXTvMJrrZVhZR4cSrM9VV+ lA/s4I2OjhPuEcP0aPRLGLXs8pN3Mn5/KafwZngpu7GnZ1RfGB FX9EzHDJTNlVSbSggClZf7aDshxuCB5fvG/q8pt6NZnW3tT6vZ q5BJ3+c4yy4I8mmQgoiqjEW6IhPPAUgeis3TeUPy39sFbSnTlJ LDa17uIgVo4Yvf/ITyEueRiRS3UDJimiSbpGLa4PBEkiXdRwir AF+iw6/LjSZl0m7lrXcHM0ir3xE X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:29:15 -0000 This is a follow up to "https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2014-November/26 2464.html". I was referring to the fact that you take their email and name and plaster it all over your Twitter account as, "A person by the name of X and can be reached at X-email.com is sexually harassing me. Please spam the fuck out of their email address and create false accusations about them." I have been in the FreeBSD community a helluva lot longer then you, and you are a absolute disgrace the to project. Stop masquerading as a core team member on the FreeBSD project. It's making me sick. Also great job on taking my last message and talknig shit about it on Twitter, it proved my accusation was correct. http://imgur.com/1eURdNt Also don't get me started on the blacklist you made that randomly blocked +10,000 Twitter followers, because you can't even use basic logic properly. Hell it even blocked KFC for being "sexist". Even the International Game Developers Association (IGDA) has dropped support for you because of that stunt. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 05:51:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 631FA8BE for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 209C3CEB for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wp4so6575037obc.39 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:51:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ehtym3+GTQALR8imaMW4o6AnWoU3Ngs5fdC5kXwRLqM=; b=VGQ8/HRYexqVeHRkgXo/qASIU/uUIVWy45gFnF/qjoVL3yEX4lD3Zkfi711OwImMHE aDDvHZnwgzxr4YiHkBwWAmUast0itzAzvlv7dbGnIASLBkPKvS7lsD2FZQIWUIeHRwbA VSWkPrRlZ4e0GTKH8cthUm9X06BCTPBRhRn5Af182MUw2cIoReHLTIDtWIub3emawpTQ s+JgqEjW4fsvb/nqCcHOKzDGyIH9eP8AaCXCYfNO0JFSkceZVkx0R47crpRMZav+ZTMp AoDbVX9NR0ROnmG/CSh2GdBLrHYA/5s0o4e8h20CYePzgTJI0TM699GeF4XZsNxBbgXe ThNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.185.138 with SMTP id j132mr9737988oif.132.1416808263125; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.167.135 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:51:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54725884.5060006@radel.com> References: <5447AD3F.8060304@bytecamp.net> <54490752.7080504@radel.com> <544BEBB8.7000408@radel.com> <54725884.5060006@radel.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:51:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IPv6 aliases on FreeBSD 10 From: pepe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:51:04 -0000 Hello. Sorry about no information. I just realized that too. So, server is hosted at isp's server rack. Connected with two gigabit ethernets (em0 and em1, but currently we're using only em0 until we get everything working, then we're look into duplicating internet connection). Server setup is ESXi running two FreeBSD servers. IPv6 problem was very same on both machines, but currently for testing we're running it on one server only. em0 is connected to cisco switch that is connected to isps network with fiber. So, we really can't do any testing or changes with hardware because of the setup. We're not doing firewalling, or well of course we are, but when doing ipv6 setup and testing - no ipv6 firewall at all. And actually we tired IPv6 setup with firewall completely off too. I'm not planning to use those 1::1 addresses that are outside /64 of gw, but they're in config now for testing purpose. ndp -an output right now is: root@eemeli:/home/pepe # ndp -an Neighbor Linklayer Address Netif Expire S Flags 2001:14b8:1801::1 00:00:5e:00:02:0a em0 23h59m54s S R 2001:14b8:1801::c001 00:0c:29:b2:57:43 em0 permanent R fe81::ca01%em0 00:00:5e:00:02:0a em0 2h49m3s S On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Jon Radel wrote: > On 11/23/14, 5:14 AM, pepe wrote: > >> I also tried adding >> aliases with /128 instead of /64, but it changed nothing. >> With /128 it worked just the same way. >> > As one of the people mentioning /128s, I'd like to retract that > suggestion; I've been reading the ipv6 related documentation given that I'm > bringing up my first 10.1 box with ipv6.....and things have changed a bit > since 8.4. > >> >> Current rc.conf is: >> ipv6_activate_all_interfaces="YES" >> #ipv6_defaultrouter="2001:14b8:1801::1" >> ipv6_defaultrouter="fe80::1%em0" >> ifconfig_em0_ipv6="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c001 prefixlen 64" >> ifconfig_em0_alias59="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::2 prefixlen 64" >> ifconfig_em0_alias60="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c002 prefixlen 64" >> ifconfig_em0_alias61="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::3 prefixlen 64" >> ifconfig_em0_alias62="inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1:: prefixlen 64" >> ifconfig_em0_alias63="inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1::1 prefixlen 64" >> >> Just making sure that you realize that if the ISP's equipment is > addressed 2001:14b8:1801::1/64, it wouldn't necessarily do good things with > your address 2001:14b8:1801:1::/64 unless it had a route to that network. > But that's an aside and doesn't appear to be the root issue you're dealing > with. > > >> I'm starting to think it's problem on ISP side and not ours. But just to >> sure - anyone have any ideas what more to try? >> >> >> I read through this thread, and as far as I can tell, you've told us > almost nothing useful about the topology of your network. Where does the > cable from em0 go? Directly into the ISP's equipment? If so, what kind of > equipment are we talking about? What type of media? I admit complete > ignorance of the industry norms specific to Finland, but around these parts > it makes a world of difference whether you're talking directly to a cable > carrier's "modem" or a point-to-point circuit into a high-end router. > > What I would do, given what little I know about your topology: > > 1) Run "ndp -an" on your machine. All the addresses you expect to work > should show up as permanent entries in this table. > > 2) You're not doing any firewalling are you? > > 3) If you don't run em0 into a switch, insert one (preferably one that > does L3 and port mirroring, if you just happen to have access to one like > that) between the server and your ISP. > > 4) Attach another ipv6 speaking machine to the switch. Can it ping all > the addresses? Does its ndp table show the proper mac address for all the > addresses? > > 5) Optional: mirror all the traffic on the switch port attached to the > ISP the test machine you added and using tcpdump or wireshark or > what-have-you look at the traffic between the ISP and your server. > > If the test machine in #4 reaches all the server addresses just fine even > though the ISP doesn't, particularly if #5 shows the ISP never sending the > traffic that should be going to the "non-functional" addresses, my leading > suspicion would be that that the ISP's equipment has very, very limited > capacity for a L2 address table, quite possibly as a matter of deliberate > configuration, and after it learns about N neighbors, where N is a very > small number, it simply ignores any additional addresses. Other than > getting your ISP to do something about that, the only fix I can think of is > to put a router (which is where a L3 switch would be handy) between your > ISP and your server. Then, in theory, your ISP's equipment should have to > deal with the only addresses on the outside of your router in L2 and > everything else would be L3 routing. My big concern about that, however, > is that the default address they've given you is actually in your /48, so > it's unclear to me what the heck they're doing with the routing. So you > probably have to talk to them in any case about what the outside interface > of your router should be addressed as. > > --Jon Radel > jon@radel.com > > > > > > -- pepe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 06:11:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48934B07 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B23E87 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([81.106.150.188]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id KJBg1p03b4481jl01JBgU9; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:11:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [81.106.150.188] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=dY0O3Bne c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=DGj713NdaxKrsjjgQne7PA==:117 a=DGj713NdaxKrsjjgQne7PA==:17 a=J0QyKEt1u0cA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=5y4faFyK3SkA:10 a=2ZtKTxRTfKnRywWhplMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6450E83779; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:11:40 +0000 From: Ken Moffat To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: No Xorg mouse running 10.1 as a qemu guest on linux. Message-ID: <20141124061140.GB12294@milliways> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:11:42 -0000 Hi, I'm normally a linux user - specifically beyond linuxfromscratch (BLFS), and in a previous life I guess I must have been *really* bad, because I've ended up taking responsibility for BLFS's texlive issues (initially, our 'from source' build was not building everything, particularly asy, biber, and xindy). As part of that I created some test scripts to check if what I was doing with the "modern" (read that mostly as "UTF-8") parts of texlive worked, and now I'm trying to make them more-generally useful (in 2014, context has had "issues", building xindy from-source did not work on my first attempt, and my initial use of biber-1.8 with perl-5.20 was problematic). Now that I have qemu working, I guessed that FreeBSD would be a useful test to make my scripts portable. I've now got them running on your system in qemu, but I cannot use Xorg to run a PDF viewer because my mouse is not working. So: 1. Is there any secret to getting a mouse working in 10.1 in Xorg under qemu ? I've tried various things, including building vmmouse and adding appropriate xorg.conf lines to force that, but it made no difference. 2. A subsidiary question - have you guys changed /bin/sh in 10.1 ? All the documentation google finds suggests you are using a POSIX /bin/sh, probably the almquist shell [ I was unable to install the documentation, I guess that the time I was trying to do that (the small hours in this county / late in the USA) was perhaps not a good time ], but all my attempts to use what are apparently appropriate constructs, such as 'export LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8' and setting variables to the result of a subshell, such as VAR=$(command arg) failed - but using csh-style constructs seemed to work. 3. Using 'pkg' I've installed (amongst other things), xfce, Xorg (xfce did not pull in 'startx' as a dependency, which surprised me) and the supposedly full texlive (in practice, no asy, no biber, no xindy, and context [ MkIV ] on x86_64 is broken - similar to some linux distros). I see that along the way I've acquired /usr/local/bin/bash [4.3.30] which is good and lets me invoke my configure sript. But is bash a common thing to find on FreeBSD, or did I just get lucky ? (or 'unlucky', I suppose, if you do not like the GPL). TIA ĸen [ since FreeBSD seems not especially keen on UTF-8, read that as 'ken' if you get something like '?en' : I _like_ obsolete greenlandic letters ;) ] -- Nanny Ogg usually went to bed early. After all, she was an old lady. Sometimes she went to bed as early as 6 a.m. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 06:21:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CC68CB0 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out-s4.userservices.net (smtp-out-s4.userservices.net [204.16.46.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2306BF7F for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-out-s4.userservices.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365FF1A17CF for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:58:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gasso.org; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :references:subject:subject:mime-version:user-agent:reply-to :from:from:date:date:message-id:received:received:received; s= vdkim; t=1416808717; x=1418623117; bh=Z0Opr9WDlpZvPwLEmrK37LWyla C4Zai74hGfH8SC8AQ=; b=W6auDjHBdMp8hl7NXW6Jh+RbGPHsgyLUKpppU4gqPG MCNfLv5UxcDvsIM+h98GDAge87trUAkt1kyILi6E5oRIkqO35XB1t9GqGT63z1Nq +sl8y9BZkf1nHLYMJVrSESyXPaNSqI8lIYAdoxKgHmKLVzrkzltu21BUuX2bjAyz g= X-Virus-Scanned: virus free Received: from smtp-out-s4.userservices.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-out-s4.userservices.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10099) with LMTP id pF5wxuWHcLYa for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hosting-c01-s11.userservices.net (hosting-c01-s11.userservices.net [204.16.46.157]) by smtp-out-s4.userservices.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBE01A1406 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.13.37.1] (68-118-74-184.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com [68.118.74.184]) (Authenticated sender: kameron-lists@gasso.org) by hosting-c01-s11.userservices.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 85A5464D60 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:58:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5472C8F6.706@gasso.org> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 21:58:14 -0800 From: Kameron Gasso Reply-To: kameron@gasso.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Freebsdgirl / Randi Harper - Followup References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 06:21:58 -0000 On 11/23/2014 9:24 PM, Throw AwayTwo wrote: > This is a follow up to > "https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2014-November/26 > 2464.html". Your personal feud has nothing to do with FreeBSD. Please stop spamming this mailing list's membership over it. -- Kameron Gasso | kameron@gasso.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 07:16:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A613630 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB710792 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAO7GDWU062002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:16:13 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=infracaninophile.co.uk DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk sAO7GDWU062002 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1416813373; bh=KFJuZDQyu/zl+7RLtJz1QRs0N1Rkf/amAkBSB7EnmWI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Mon,=2024=20Nov=202014=2007:16:04=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20freebsd-questi ons@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20How=20much=20space=20does=20raidz 2=20'eat'?|References:=20<20141123232623.39d46c80@falbala.rz1.conv enimus.net>|In-Reply-To:=20<20141123232623.39d46c80@falbala.rz1.co nvenimus.net>; b=CSB1NvLOiEpnLCoHtKO8wV2BobBn87ZBHedZezJHjou0vqH61uezlO7gDGl6F2di2 pPUGgXxyKBtRaXGhqOuqZazOeIrg4INeo50rV8xqFe/OYJ7RECCGY4/SbGwKsS1+ok ibiOfnNJFamKmh6p1rqESm02io/4p3Zt6Vcqzj4U= Message-ID: <5472DB34.8080500@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:16:04 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How much space does raidz2 'eat'? References: <20141123232623.39d46c80@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> In-Reply-To: <20141123232623.39d46c80@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> OpenPGP: id=E1ECF9BB Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LTps0rBjdrP9MMQNA7Gx5AEvIpGkLU7Fs" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:16:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --LTps0rBjdrP9MMQNA7Gx5AEvIpGkLU7Fs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 23/11/2014 22:26, Christian Baer wrote: > After creating a raidz2 pool, I get this: > Now I know that while WD works with kB, FreeBSD works with KiB (factor > 1024). However, if I break this drive down to that and multiply that by= > 5, I get 18.19TiB, while df gives me 16TiB. Sure, there is some > overhead and all, but certainly (hopefully) not 2 whole TiB! That would= > be more than 10%. Use 'zpool list' to see the actual size and usage of your pool. The amount you lose in overhead from partitioning and setting up geli providers is pretty neglible; it's all down Yes, RAIDZ2 has around that level of overhead: think two parity blocks for each three data blocks, so worst case is that about 40% of your raw space will disappear. The actual amount depends on exactly how many drives you're using. > Is this normal or am I missing something? See: http://blog.delphix.com/matt/2014/06/06/zfs-stripe-width/ Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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References: <20141123232623.39d46c80@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> <5472DB34.8080500@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5472DB34.8080500@infracaninophile.co.uk> OpenPGP: id=E1ECF9BB Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5QBi5ddNhovnE28duRLT2qvotvQN9A8jI" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:39:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5QBi5ddNhovnE28duRLT2qvotvQN9A8jI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 24/11/2014 07:16, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 23/11/2014 22:26, Christian Baer wrote: >> After creating a raidz2 pool, I get this: >=20 >> Now I know that while WD works with kB, FreeBSD works with KiB (factor= >> 1024). However, if I break this drive down to that and multiply that b= y >> 5, I get 18.19TiB, while df gives me 16TiB. Sure, there is some >> overhead and all, but certainly (hopefully) not 2 whole TiB! That woul= d >> be more than 10%. >=20 > Use 'zpool list' to see the actual size and usage of your pool. >=20 > The amount you lose in overhead from partitioning and setting up geli > providers is pretty neglible; it's all down (oops. missed a bit) =2E.. in the noise with the TB scale drives you're using. > Yes, RAIDZ2 has around that level of overhead: think two parity blocks > for each three data blocks, so worst case is that about 40% of your raw= > space will disappear. The actual amount depends on exactly how many > drives you're using. >=20 >> Is this normal or am I missing something? >=20 > See: http://blog.delphix.com/matt/2014/06/06/zfs-stripe-width/ >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Matthew >=20 --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk --5QBi5ddNhovnE28duRLT2qvotvQN9A8jI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.20 (Darwin) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUcuChXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATZDwP/A1wVhUk/sp1yg0agXXLAtEJ qyJr8QqJy8C/9l0TVbWz7Frd7ZeDp4FiTv9nwz5JsESRHd4yOP2wq3DdCYxfc1OR LSaHB7WJ0wzZbJ6xW9hLrjAWK0Y7es56rEcbe7dxp9+MTeW3CUk4F3D3a08d8f9O sHpjRqncx8zbckQxWzIO/2WVv8BM+DN73mgz5wDE+sZIymIhlIlsHu7ukrCz482k PIy8rUq70ZGg6CmZ6SVCfbsSOdPSzb8Rm3t8nE0AfeFdEzJjy4cWTOuTtudLxCZt zlZ1vuJFDA9wNQWJpFwG7QwJxKpHgMCK+zIfKAuyJJJzeGpBvhaWdT1gzy5T6guJ 82B9Y/coJmMYHr+rOaUNUZZzzQYNfMkPTx6zhohRj7VtKr09kW7nMamECE1W4R4E +sllZHPbbrRc94dxtqeds+yfpSavmu8bF/QTFsfzs6t5TVUgC6coVmpU6iN54v0J 4BTceSpQju3mFjQqdZR/n2gI41QlnSmAjseaBAm62kjRFmsZPjf/f9O0ZtCaynlv lUsTaHUDH09Yl4RU5UA3wzwVAUwl/9+wZijI4ifB/RryX4vvZOvHKluIcAekb88P 6RXb7rLR+PSjZVBHmEOzdRIyT1Lssk2HJNZRD6/jrTwYmHt/AqF8cC/S4YU7G51O VWsniA56nNSwoOqXlDDD =vkUJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5QBi5ddNhovnE28duRLT2qvotvQN9A8jI-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 07:57:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEBEEF61; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wp376.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp376.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42::50ed:8591]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F102B1E; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from xdsl-78-35-77-132.netcologne.de ([78.35.77.132] helo=[192.168.2.65]); authenticated by wp376.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1XsoWp-0006WF-10; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:57:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1416815866.31598.3.camel@mccarthy> Subject: Re: value of maintaining emacs-mode packages in ports From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: Perry Hutchison Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:57:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <547196d6.0EssiMZ6UyLBTSMQ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> <547196d6.0EssiMZ6UyLBTSMQ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4-0ubuntu2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;cjr@cruwe.de;1416815871;cbfdfffe; Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:57:51 -0000 On So, 2014-11-23 at 00:12 -0800, Perry Hutchison wrote: > "Christopher J. Ruwe" wrote: > > > ... Emacs, the very good operating system > > missing only a decent editor ... > > Perhaps someone should port vi to it? > > [dons flame-proof suit] > That's not necessary. You can run vi in ansi-term mode ... -- Christopher From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 08:24:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF9EDFF3; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wp376.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp376.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42::50ed:8591]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F67DEE6; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from xdsl-78-35-77-132.netcologne.de ([78.35.77.132] helo=[192.168.2.65]); authenticated by wp376.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Xsown-000376-LK; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 09:24:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1416817477.31598.5.camel@mccarthy> Subject: Re: value of maintaining emacs-mode packages in ports From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: Daniel Feenberg Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 09:24:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4-0ubuntu2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;cjr@cruwe.de;1416817480;7ee64e01; Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:24:40 -0000 On So, 2014-11-23 at 07:32 -0500, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Nov 2014, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > > > > > In that light and as the ports maintainer of math/ess, the Emacs > > speaks statistics R-mode of emacs, I am asking myself specifically > > whether I add any real benefit in maintaining math/ess. More > > generally, I am interested in community answers as to whether it is > > really useful to maintain Emacs-extension-packages in ports. > > > > As a non-Emacs user, can I raise some questions that should be asked every > time a service/feature is withdrawn? > > If you stop maintaining math/ess, does it go away, or merely stop > improving? I think eventually math/ess would be retired on go away. Emacs package installation is available since Emacs 24 and I believe emacs23 is retired as of 19th November this year. > Does the Emacs package system support the same versions of Emacs that you > support in math/ess? I have the impression they are more up to date. Latest MELPA package is from the 14th (http://melpa.org/#/ess). > If a user upgrades FreeBSD will he lose what he has unless he converts to > the new Emacs package system? Emacs packages are more like plugins (cf. firefox). Upgrades of FreeBSD do not touch these. On upgrades of Emacs, users might need to recompile, if the chose to run compiled Emacs Lisp modules. > Is the Emacs package system something that requires an installation of its > own? A clear no. ESS is just an interface to the R language/interpreter (math/R). It can run without R installed, although it is not very useful in my opinion the same way that having a languange-mode for an arbitrary languae is not really useful without the corresponding language compiler/interpreter around. But people do strange things .. > May I suggest that if you let it go away, you place a README file where > Emacs-extension-packages was that points users to the replacement, with > instructions for how to get there? Not everyone using Emacs on FreeBSD > follows the mailing lists for FreeBSD, (or Emacs). I do not now procedures for deprecated ports. I see emacs modes alike to plugins in firefox, which are not packaged as well, so I see the idea of potentially retiring math/ess in the wider setting of giving up more or less all emacs extensions. Anyhow, thanks for your thoughts. Cheers, -- Christopher From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 08:38:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42F2D326; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wp376.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp376.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42::50ed:8591]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3AB4FE5; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from xdsl-78-35-77-132.netcologne.de ([78.35.77.132] helo=[192.168.2.65]); authenticated by wp376.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1XspAX-0001Re-Gj; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 09:38:49 +0100 Message-ID: <1416818320.31598.7.camel@mccarthy> Subject: Re: value of maintaining emacs-mode packages in ports From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: Roland Smith Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 09:38:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20141123234838.GA36524@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> <20141123234838.GA36524@slackbox.erewhon.home> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-a/GS26/Vdhtu6MDzvLBE" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4-0ubuntu2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;cjr@cruwe.de;1416818332;20e67cef; Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:38:52 -0000 --=-a/GS26/Vdhtu6MDzvLBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mo, 2014-11-24 at 00:48 +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:32:14AM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > > I am well aware that very probably I might be starting a rant thread, > > however, I am genuinely interested in opinions from the community. > >=20 > > Since version 24, Emacs, the very good operating system missing only a > > decent editor, has developed a package manager for Emacs > > extensions. Some good repos exist, packages are usually installed to > > ~/.emacs.d and I have come to really enjoy that way of installing > > packages. > >=20 > > In that light and as the ports maintainer of math/ess, the Emacs > > speaks statistics R-mode of emacs, I am asking myself specifically > > whether I add any real benefit in maintaining math/ess. More > > generally, I am interested in community answers as to whether it is > > really useful to maintain Emacs-extension-packages in ports. > >=20 > > Thanks for your thoughts, cheers, >=20 > It might help to see this question in a broader context. >=20 > There are several communities that have there own repositories/package > managers these days, e.g: >=20 > * TeX > * Perl > * Python > * Ruby > * Node > * Emacs >=20 > Yet the maintainers of the ports system go through the effort of maintain= ing > ports for a lot of these packages, even though it might strictly speaking= be > considered a duplication of effort. >=20 > There are at least two big reasons that I can think of; >=20 > 1) FreeBSD specific patches are necessary to build a package. (I.e. every= port > that has a files subdirectory.) The ports tree is arguably the right p= lace > for that. The best case would be that such changes are merged upstream= , but > that doesn't always happen. > 2) A foreign package might depend on a FreeBSD port or the other way > around. How could this be handled properly if not in the ports tree? > So by its very nature, if you want to reap the benefits of the ports > infrastructure for your package, you have to *use* said infrastructure= . >=20 > Packages that *can* install in a user's $HOME directory and have no > non-obvious dependencies are the exception to this rule, I think. No one = will > expect e.g. a vim bundle to do anything useful when vim is not installed! >=20 > But such packages are obviously only available to the user that has insta= lled > them. So for a multi-user installation a port would still make more sense= . >=20 >=20 > Roland I think of Emacs modes differently than of Perl/Python/Ruby/Nodejs ... programs. The latter do not extend the languages, but use the language to provide independent utility to some user. Emacs modes, alike to the vim bundles you mentioned, extend Emacs (up to the ultimate goal that the user is for the whole duration of the session not forced to leave Emacs ;-) ). I cannot think of any Emacs mode being required by something non-Emacs. I have mentioned in a different answer that I see them alike to Firefox plugins. The only patches I noted so far to Emacs ports concern the placement of files, although I may well be wrong here. I have problems imaging a multi-user installation with multiple instances of Emacs mode packages installed. My elders have told tales of lore of mighty heroes connecting to machines using tools of magic called "terminals", so they all could toil on the same computer.=20 Jokes aside, I can only think of thin client settings where one would want to avoid multiple packages of the same program installed. Isn't everybody using independent so called "personal computers" now? Without any irony, that's a real question: I thought thin client computing has more or less died, am I wrong here? Anyhow, thanks for your thoughts on that matter --=20 Christopher=20 --=-a/GS26/Vdhtu6MDzvLBE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABCgAGBQJUcu6YAAoJEJTIKW/o3iwU8DQP/jshMQY6m2vfUPmfr52iuzWS TNU9cXTW+Bz6vohQRX3zpNII2MfDb796ORsI02JJMfSq9Md1U9Gok93vdReSjYaB H+3otH4Xq+IiYqRdBQk4Gkd70HK7Js/g2vdqho1lTUW1IBe4wmDIC1mhyK2vVZZI 31L75voNWRXRBMVhhDDwNgl0VJm96RakXZkteQTwo7T1lOGkXU9gLoqmxicR2Cki J4eFnat5b/nhjS0615A+kfpyljOEM7D6Dd3GzWWoFFnTaKTAe/2x3hFahSrE2EVG 4u62wTE3xQ8mszm+LhFAPUSnCO7i69V9c/DwWHFz8TYggTgIiO7FyOpLSjiTKTvn jjHv2i1Vv+4DWw3PKL8pmd0L2lQFpppghgZy8oa67eY6XyTxHiTC6JYQAiYr+rtU RMdX2XctwWJNGr9bpQG67CCfiT5DqZxnKO4Ghn35PJWCGbYcTyIZ0CG8YzqyUUAY 0Jq2pcYQV3RomBAjEsV3tao7xvzMUSEmzwzLjaf875TjVwWSxoIJMHNQ/0SEbaYG IvpU655zNxoO8fAJ0Jak7HxiXFEKI3oBqQOHXlT2DEiGuKveXcDQLsrjrdFCQzlp BM3crvRaDdXoWwkzlgqyw/QfFRWFsnHAmpXLdEO6xGql9itnn7PbigRMn2wpQVIK qlmMTybHso6NH6lrEm1H =lEY8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-a/GS26/Vdhtu6MDzvLBE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 10:43:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2648459B for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 10:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from linta.de (isilmar-3.linta.de [188.40.101.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EA1CF73 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 10:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31365 invoked by uid 10); 24 Nov 2014 10:37:01 -0000 Received: from howard.linta.de by isilmar.linta.de with BSMTP; 24 Nov 2014 10:37:01 -0000 Received: by howard.linta.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 46D17B8EA8E; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:36:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:36:46 +0100 From: "Klaus T. Aehlig" To: Perry Hutchison Subject: Re: value of maintaining emacs-mode packages in ports Message-ID: <20141124103646.GC16884@howard.linta.de> References: <1416699134.31598.2.camel@mccarthy> <547196d6.0EssiMZ6UyLBTSMQ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <547196d6.0EssiMZ6UyLBTSMQ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, cjr@cruwe.de X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 10:43:46 -0000 On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:12:06AM -0800, Perry Hutchison wrote: > "Christopher J. Ruwe" wrote: > > > ... Emacs, the very good operating system > > missing only a decent editor ... > > Perhaps someone should port vi to it? That actually already happened quite a while ago. Just add (require 'viper) to your .emacs file. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 11:53:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1F94580 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x236.google.com (mail-la0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6512F90D for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id gf13so7264815lab.41 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 03:53:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EFsYd1TfBg0t5xxQiFrgkcqIWDejRx3nVnN/O9sdadw=; b=yB3AD9aClMuNTfxCtVyn/f4VD9/vDBoH+Z+5PdadUsBMK9V4E4iEfB+v6VRqCDjvea ITgz2GXqn4lmLGbsMzDj8yaVD1ZhqVjY7h2h3U8K5x3RJMoIbfAvhBaZRYNZC0/ZLmfE 0W/DOCGK4zDnpSthZWkUDawaqSMF2/USgsT/t4Hfjye/iclPWHIKFtAniQEttvXKiOpx ds2E91MHxf6CiNR/sn9dbm1VeNUySExdXJtBLWaa+HbdwAUMDu+em0Bbu0AuFHi1aHNU CmftuJ7MMcpN8GVIFAHfk0QkwuGh+c0h/U4UAmGgR6/XtL4L85CQnJ5iOBl8Dv6fmTCy vbVA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.22.135 with SMTP id d7mr19983341laf.46.1416829994389; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 03:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.168.136 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 03:53:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 09:53:14 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?FreeBSD_10=2E1_=2D_Xt_error=3A_Can=C2=B4t_open_display_=3A0?= From: Luciano Rottava da Silva To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:53:17 -0000 Hello, I am facing a problem with X in FreeBSD 10.1. Don=C2=B4t seem to be complic= ated but can=C2=B4t figure out what=C2=B4s wrong. I=C2=B4ve managed to install the binary for olvwm, compiled inside a jail running 10.1 i386. Host is running 10.1 amd64. X is started from 'startx', and .xinitrc has a simply call to olvwm. # cat .xinitrc olvwm X is launched successfully but, I unable to open a xterm terminal or any other client. Switching to the console (ctrl + alt + f1) I see a message which says "Xt error: Can=C2=B4t open display :0" Then I logged in to console 2 (ctrl + alt + f2) and run a "xterm -display :0". Coming back o X session (ctrl + alt + f*), my xterm was there, I was able to launch all necessary programs. Important to hightlight this is done in the localhost, no X11 forwarding, nothing, console only since this is my desktop machine. Advise are most welcome. Thanks, Luciano. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 15:37:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC55638E for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65D093CD for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id q1so7895509lam.30 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:37:53 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lt5P9WvIrf/4Uhi50ZDmIXs1iz3cmafF/vO2n75lhGs=; b=g+vNlh/AQ1tG3dMoSECUceRd7a2Q91v3D1rHREPaVqc9/cn83yPY2ioxGJZPMa9fVv MPSToh2mgnk4MP/edvJ5Yvo6Xd17GguiyF6VwWxQzWcRoEA0SqYALPsRjRoBecUFXDDc Rui0hOw2Xk+VjWpkzXlMqkpmtXwf07Fed1aj7+EUvkkgvjrcwd7cBiQ1VoPDi3GzHFk5 b9kdLvxez9tLYFf52uYkyF+Gj757+HECvO6ltFgEXr0Y3v/FcX6RZMwJEbOndfs1ZXaJ lrSQZmR1DKybhOOSBimA4dj/UYwc0usqCn5ICEpNHz5aU1/klP8Cth7NeBah2kFAj0a7 rAEg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlp4UvhDImtc4mqNvRck2JRFYBHFJfVHRbjMeX2aZguOm3vuMVhPo8G49pKnshXSAaYxDcd MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.5.198 with SMTP id u6mr21596633lau.42.1416843473035; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.205.99 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:37:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:37:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: PORTS - possible regression in shells/lshell 0.9.16 ? From: Damien Fleuriot To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:37:57 -0000 Hello list, I'm seeing this peculiar behaviour with lshell-0.9.16 on 8-STABLE and 10-STABLE. After issuing `ls' , lshell gets suspended to the background (and can be resumed with `fg'). == root@nas:~ # lshell You are in a limited shell. Type '?' or 'help' to get the list of allowed commands root:~$ ls -l total 88 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6417 Jul 11 09:41 DAM -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6478 Nov 8 2013 kernel_10 -rw------- 1 root wheel 9007 Feb 14 2013 ktrace.out -rwxr--r-- 1 root wheel 303 Aug 12 16:10 nma_notif_boot.sh -rwxr--r-- 1 root wheel 285 Jan 23 2013 prowl_notif_boot.sh -rwxr--r-- 1 root wheel 295 Jan 11 2013 prowl_notif_shutdown.sh Suspended (tty output) root@nas:~ # == pkg info for python for a 8-STABLE box : python27-2.7.8_6 Interpreted object-oriented programming language The problem does not happen with lshell-0.9.15.1. The problem happens on 8-STABLE and 10-STABLE. The problem happens on multiple boxes (all 10 I've tried, actually). This is with lshell's default configuration. The problem does not happen when issuing `history'. Anyone experience the same issue ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 16:08:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E304C7F for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04C9796D for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.114] (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47F19273E3 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 02:07:59 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <547357DF.9080206@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 02:07:59 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User questions Subject: Openldap MDB - more questions! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:08:10 -0000 I'm also now trying to get openldap to play nice with mdb given that it is the "recommended" database backend for it now- although the conf wasn't an issue excepting I'm playing with the new cn=config setup we're expected to use now as well (even though it is mainly broken). My issue is that it seems to not respond like the older bdb/hdb databases. And when I say respond, I mean it hangs the ldapadd and makes slapd go into conniptions. I see slapd go to 100% WCPU and not come down as well as going into a uwait state. I've left it going for 10 minutes or more with no change, and I'm only adding 1 small entry of less the 10 lines. Strangely, I can still view other entries in the specific db as well access the rest of the server, which I won't complain about (aren't threads a wonderful invention? :) ). Anyone heard of this? Got a fix at all? Or should I just go back to ye 'olde db backends? At this point I have a db I can't add anything to. And before anyone asks, there is practically nothing in the logs that I can see; and I set the logging to everything (-1). I see recognition of the user in the acl and then nothing. The only curious entry is some blank lines and a number (that changes each time), so nothing informative. I set it up using the cn=config (and I'm still not entirely convinced that I will keep cn=config, but apparently it could be gone next version according to the grapevine, so the consensus is to suck it up and get used to it or your panties will get in a bunch and around your ankles when upgrade comes along), and I've got only olcDBMaxSize. olcSizeLimit (not sure exactly which of these 2 can go just yet), olcDBMode, olcDBDirectory, and olcDatabase and the obviously root attrs. My max size I've set larger than 50M (so 7 digits) which is larger than what I have in another db so far, and I figure I can add more if needed - currently it is sitting at 64k. Openldap version is 2.4.40_1 with bdb and mdb set in config. But I notice lmdb is not installed - is this right? I'm on this for several days now with no further advancement so any help would be very welcome at this point. No googling seems to find anything remotely similar either. TIA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 17:06:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EA4A5A0 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from navy.spectrumcs.net (navy.spectrumcs.net [109.169.26.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49C77F for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (maroon.spectrumcs.net [10.8.0.9]) by navy.spectrumcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3jmZV65r0gz1m2Q for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:04:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at spectrumcs.net Received-SPF: pass (maroon.spectrumcs.net: domain of spectrumcs.net designates 81.133.126.70 as permitted sender) client-ip=81.133.126.70; envelope-from=freebsd-questions@spectrumcs.net; helo=rainbow.spectrumcs.net; Received: from rainbow.spectrumcs.net (rainbow.spectrumcs.net [81.133.126.70]) by maroon.spectrumcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3jmZTv3JDZz6lx8 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:04:35 +0000 (GMT) From: "steve" Subject: Re: Problem building sysutils/syslog-ng v3.6.1_1 To: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:04:35 +0000 Priority: normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: normal X-Mailer: David.fx by Tobit.Software, Germany (0397.464448464547484D524D), Mime Converter 101.20 X-David-Sym: 0 X-David-Flags: 0 Message-ID: <0000C803.54736523@rainbow.spectrumcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:06:30 -0000 Update. I've tracked the issue down to the use of the SQL option. If I disable the = SQL option syslog-ng compiles fine, as soon as I enable it syslog-ng fails = to complile with the error previous described. The SQL option has always been enabled on these boxes and have only had = problems since the port changes to 3.6.1 from 3.5.6. The SQL option is = required on these boxes. I can confirm libdbi and libdbi-drivers are installed and up to date... # /usr/sbin/pkg version -v | /usr/bin/grep libdbi libdbi-0.9.0_2 =3D up-to-date with index libdbi-drivers-0.9.0_3 =3D up-to-date with index I have however done a "make deinstall clean install" just in case but it's = made no difference. Does anyone have any idea how I might resolve this issue? Many thanks Steve -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Problem building sysutils/syslog-ng v3.6.1_1 (11-Nov-2014 20:37) From: steve To: freebsd-questions@spectrumcs.net >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I'm not 100% sure I'm posting this to the correct mailing list. Forgive = me=20 > if I have, and I'd be very grateful if you could point me in the right=20 > direction. >=20 > If I have posted to the correct location, here is my problem... >=20 > #uname -a > FreeBSD XYZ 9.2-RELEASE-p12 FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p12 #0: Mon Sep 15 = 18:46:46=20 > UTC 2014 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ > GENERIC amd64 >=20 > # /usr/sbin/pkg version -vIL=3D > syslog-ng-3.5.6_4 < needs updating (index has 3.6.1_1) >=20 > I have three servers which where installed with FreeBSD 9.0 back in Feb = > 2014. As a matter of course I keep these servers as up to date as = possible=20 > though the ports tree. I also periodocally upgrade them to latest stable = > version of FreeBSD via freebsd-update. Obviously I've let that slip a = bit! >=20 > Towards the end of October a update for syslog-ng appeared in the ports = > tree, but I've been unable to compile it on any of my three servers, via = a=20 > portmaster -DaG or a cd /usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng/ && make install=20 > clean. It fails with undefined reference to = `get_installation_path_for'. >=20 > --------------------------------------- > CC lib/tests/lib_tests_test_host_resolve-test_host_resolve.o > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c: In function 'test_resolve_sockaddr_to_ > hostname': > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:238: warning: implicit declaration of=20 > function 'basename' > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:238: warning: assignment makes pointer = from=20 > integer without a cast > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:239: warning: assignment makes pointer = from=20 > integer without a cast > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:240: warning: assignment makes pointer = from=20 > integer without a cast > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:241: warning: assignment makes pointer = from=20 > integer without a cast > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c: In function 'test_resolve_hostname_to_ > sockaddr': > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:264: warning: assignment makes pointer = from=20 > integer without a cast > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:265: warning: assignment makes pointer = from=20 > integer without a cast > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c: In function 'test_resolve_hostname_to_ > hostname': > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:300: warning: assignment makes pointer = from=20 > integer without a cast > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:301: warning: assignment makes pointer = from=20 > integer without a cast > lib/tests/test_host_resolve.c:302: warning: assignment makes pointer = from=20 > integer without a cast > CCLD lib/tests/test_host_resolve > CC syslog-ng/main.o > GEN syslog-ng/syslog-ng > syslog-ng/main.o: In function `get_installer_version': > /usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng/work/syslog-ng-3.6.1/syslog-ng/main.c:98: = > undefined reference to `get_installation_path_for' > syslog-ng/main.o: In function `main': > /usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng/work/syslog-ng-3.6.1/syslog-ng/main.c:198: = > undefined reference to `main_loop_global_init' > /usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng/work/syslog-ng-3.6.1/syslog-ng/main.c:248: = > undefined reference to `main_loop_read_and_init_config' > /usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng/work/syslog-ng-3.6.1/syslog-ng/main.c:271: = > undefined reference to `main_loop_deinit' > Makefile:5911: recipe for target 'syslog-ng/syslog-ng' failed > gmake[2]: *** [syslog-ng/syslog-ng] Error 1 > Makefile:9846: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed > gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > Makefile:4042: recipe for target 'all' failed > gmake: *** [all] Error 2 > *** [do-build] Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng. > *** [stage] Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/syslog-ng. > Exit 1 > --------------------------------------- >=20 > Googling for get_installation_path_for has found nothing. Grepping for = get_ > installation_path_for in the work dir seems to indicate that that = function=20 > is defined in ./work/syslog-ng-3.6.1/lib/reloc.c >=20 > As a test I've tried to compile this port on two other FreeBSD boxes. = One a=20 > FreeBSD 10 and then a FreeBSD 9.2 (in VM) and both complete = successfully,=20 > however neither of these boxes had had syslog-ng installed or compiled = on=20 > them before. To be sure my ports tree wasn't broken somehow I deleted = /usr/ > ports/ and preformed a "portsnap fetch extract" >=20 > This feels like a upgrade problem to me, but I'm unsure what to do next = to=20 > try and get this port to compile. >=20 > Any help will be gratefully received. >=20 > Kind regards > Stephen Scotter >=20 > DISCLAIMER > This email is for the use of the intended recipient(s) only. If you have = > received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and = then=20 > delete it. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 17:46:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D5C2ED for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher IDEA-CBC-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "rcdn-iport.cisco.com", Issuer "HydrantID SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 473786E7 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:46:03 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjQFAPFtc1StJV2R/2dsb2JhbABbgw5VWcsbhm4CgR4WAQEBAQF9hAMBAQQ4QBELDgoJFg8JAwIBAgFFBgEMBgIBAQWIONAyAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEbkRKETgEEjCWUEIZWO4dahnuEGyowgksBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,450,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="375204068" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Nov 2014 17:46:02 +0000 Received: from [10.117.46.164] (rtp-jclarke-8913.cisco.com [10.117.46.164]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAOHk1Mv014165; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:46:02 GMT Message-ID: <54736ED9.6060202@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 12:46:01 -0500 From: Joe Marcus Clarke Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem compiling pidgin 2.10.10 References: <20141122144117.GA2746@unixarea.DDR.dd> In-Reply-To: <20141122144117.GA2746@unixarea.DDR.dd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:46:04 -0000 On 11/22/14 9:41 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > Hello, > > I have problems compiling pidgin 2.10.10 from source in one of my laptops, running > FreeBSD 10.x: This looks like finch, not pidgin. It builds for me, but I don't have that library. What installed it? Perhaps you need to rebuild that port. Joe > > $ gmake > ... > Making all in plugins > gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/guru/pidgin-2.10.10/finch/plugins' > gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'. > gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/guru/pidgin-2.10.10/finch/plugins' > gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/guru/pidgin-2.10.10/finch' > CCLD finch > /usr/bin/ld: i: invalid DSO for symbol `cur_term' definition > /usr/local/lib/libtinfow.so.5.9: could not read symbols: Bad value > cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) > gmake[3]: *** [finch] Error 1 > gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/guru/pidgin-2.10.10/finch' > gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/guru/pidgin-2.10.10/finch' > gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/guru/pidgin-2.10.10' > gmake: *** [all] Error 2 > > the shared lib /usr/local/lib/libtinfow.so.5.9 seems to be fine, for > example: > > $ nm /usr/local/lib/libtinfow.so.5.9 | fgrep cur_term > 00025b58 B cur_term > > What could cause this problem? > > Thanks > > matthias > -- Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 24 19:48:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBE00881; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B2008B2; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.139.151] (helo=unixarea.DDR.dd) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Xszbx-00083M-LE; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:47:52 +0100 Received: from unixarea.DDR.dd (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3) with ESMTP id sAOJlj3g002004; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:47:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3/Submit) id sAOJlhDe002003; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:47:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: unixarea.DDR.dd: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:47:42 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Joe Marcus Clarke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Fwd: Re: problem compiling pidgin 2.10.10 Message-ID: <20141124194742.GA1968@unixarea.DDR.dd> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Joe Marcus Clarke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r269739 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.139.151 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:48:02 -0000 Please see below, how the problem was solved and what was causing it. To Joe Marcus Clarke , net-im/pidgin is not facing the problem because it builds pidgin with --disable-consoleui and due to this without the finch part. HIH matthias ----- Forwarded message from Matthias Apitz ----- Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:38:20 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Ethan Blanton Cc: support@pidgin.im Subject: Re: problem compiling pidgin 2.10.10 El día Saturday, November 22, 2014 a las 09:55:16AM -0500, Ethan Blanton escribió: > > CCLD finch > > /usr/bin/ld: i: invalid DSO for symbol `cur_term' definition > > /usr/local/lib/libtinfow.so.5.9: could not read symbols: Bad value > > cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) > > gmake[3]: *** [finch] Error 1 > > There's a lot of stuff on the web about this. I don't understand why > you're getting that specific error, but it appears to be a missing > library on the link line. This likely means that the Pidgin configure > scripts aren't finding something that they probably don't know to look > for; I'm not sure exactly how this is happening. It works fine with a small change in the ./configure script: $ diff configure.orig configure 17455c17455 < GNT_LIBS="-lncursesw" --- > GNT_LIBS="-lncursesw -ltinfow" Maybe it's an issue only with FreeBSD, or even with certain environments of FreeBSD. It is fine without this change on 11-CURRENT, while the above issue is with 10-ALPHA. I think, we can close this thread. Thanks for your help. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg ziehen. _______________________________________________ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg ziehen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 00:48:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DCEF7CD for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x232.google.com (mail-la0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CFC5D27 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id pv20so8704778lab.9 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:48:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7pXGA5B7vseptlyimD4mVvXdmxfPfhuvjvQUA/uZ7QA=; b=gp1IzWvQxSS+HktTeTHpotFHx5EGA6CbHRpKOwagOttDW3w7W3IGgAN0k0G/zL4xA2 LXmiXBW1KRp3L1U2OFsflPkmkDgQ6b0f7UEcFGldn5UbWrOmcYySH3Fs3ZvS3iggHaLV eI1k0xwfZQ2XVVQJEA1KwDpw3EHQAs4q4C3/4VB+oDNRUo/4DvgpQUjQ3cbQTnY0j5kw rgZFpCn+Z2q1ZhFLNTOFePI5TX3YegZL/B6NsW1mnhRsMvhyEV/5fGQ4ErtFa34noYEw foIaHmYwX2ThOfNDTaj3ZqS+Mx3O98zgLhCGiFqy9KGheLgbfAkghsKGrRJns8V1QHBT HT3Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.167.130 with SMTP id zo2mr23312198lbb.4.1416876500942; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.168.136 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:48:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:48:20 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_FreeBSD_10=2E1_=2D_Xt_error=3A_Can=C2=B4t_open_display_=3A0?= From: Luciano Rottava da Silva To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:48:23 -0000 Hello, Anyone? I am still unable to launch any program from X running olvwm. Message in the console (vt0 for instance) is always the same: "xterm: Xt error: Can`t open display .0" But if I switch to vt1 and run: "xterm -display localhost:0", then a xterm window pop up in the X/olvwm, allowing me to launch everything else from this shell. But of course, would like to be able to do it using the menu I am building in the "openwin-menu". #cat /etc/hosts ... 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.mydomain 127.0.0.1 desktop desktop.rottava.home ... #echo $DISPLAY localhost:0 What possibily could be wrong? Regards, Luciano. On 24 November 2014 at 09:53, Luciano Rottava da Silva wrote: > Hello, > > I am facing a problem with X in FreeBSD 10.1. Don=C2=B4t seem to be compl= icated > but can=C2=B4t figure out what=C2=B4s wrong. > > I=C2=B4ve managed to install the binary for olvwm, compiled inside a jail > running 10.1 i386. Host is running 10.1 amd64. > > X is started from 'startx', and .xinitrc has a simply call to olvwm. > > # cat .xinitrc > olvwm > > X is launched successfully but, I unable to open a xterm terminal or any > other client. > > Switching to the console (ctrl + alt + f1) I see a message which says "Xt > error: Can=C2=B4t open display :0" > > Then I logged in to console 2 (ctrl + alt + f2) and run a "xterm -display > :0". Coming back o X session (ctrl + alt + f*), my xterm was there, I was > able to launch all necessary programs. > > Important to hightlight this is done in the localhost, no X11 forwarding, > nothing, console only since this is my desktop machine. > > Advise are most welcome. > > Thanks, > Luciano. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 03:46:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C1EB511 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out6.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out6.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4583232 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:46:52 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlMFAAn7c1Q6BrnK/2dsb2JhbABUB4MGgSmCNbJcAQEBAQEHml0CgRQWAQEBAQF9hAMBAQMBOj8FCwsNARMlDwUYMROINwjQVwEBAQcBAQEBHoY2hngBgwNIB4MugR8FnnmHc0COZoISgX4zMIEGI4EhAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,453,1413216000"; d="scan'208";a="96025264" Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.phoenix) ([58.6.185.202]) by icp-osb-irony-out6.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2014 11:46:43 +0800 Received: by smtp.phoenix (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C0198BAA; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:46:36 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:46:36 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: Damien Fleuriot Subject: Re: PORTS - possible regression in shells/lshell 0.9.16 ? Message-ID: <20141125034636.GA69979@ozzmosis.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:46:53 -0000 On Mon 2014-11-24 16:37:52 UTC+0100, Damien Fleuriot (ml@my.gd) wrote: > I'm seeing this peculiar behaviour with lshell-0.9.16 on 8-STABLE and > 10-STABLE. > > After issuing `ls' , lshell gets suspended to the background (and can be > resumed with `fg'). ... > The problem does not happen with lshell-0.9.15.1. > The problem happens on 8-STABLE and 10-STABLE. Ditto 10.1-REL but not Ubuntu 12.04, fwiw. Would seem like an upstream bug. I'd contact the author. Pinpointing the problem isn't easy with a quick glance as the sources have changed quite a bit between 0.9.15.1 & 0.9.16. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 10:30:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2554762 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B478618D for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-109-38.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.109.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF5732781F; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:24:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sAPAOGL6001968; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:24:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:24:16 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Luciano Rottava da Silva Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.1 - Xt error: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Can=B4t?= open display :0 Message-Id: <20141125112416.dabcbc8b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:30:35 -0000 On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:48:20 -0200, Luciano Rottava da Silva wrote: > #echo $DISPLAY > localhost:0 > > What possibily could be wrong? Maybe try setting DISPLAY=":0.0" or ="localhost:0.0", or not manually setting DISPLAY at all, because I think X should do this. From xterm here: % echo $DISPLAY :0.0 That should be the default. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 11:13:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 062DC33D for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relaygateway02.edpnet.net (relaygateway02.edpnet.net [212.71.1.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D358E4 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:13:05 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AncGAJxjdFTURwn1/2dsb2JhbABbgwZSV4MFxhUGh2kXAQEBAQF9hCwzXxMOAhEFJYh7qkWPSZEBhhiRF4IhDzISgUMFl0iHMQGXGIFVgihGMIJKAQEB X-IPAS-Result: AncGAJxjdFTURwn1/2dsb2JhbABbgwZSV4MFxhUGh2kXAQEBAQF9hCwzXxMOAhEFJYh7qkWPSZEBhhiRF4IhDzISgUMFl0iHMQGXGIFVgihGMIJKAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,455,1413237600"; d="scan'208";a="277370940" Received: from 212.71.9.245.dyn.edpnet.net (HELO mordor.lan) ([212.71.9.245]) by relaygateway02.edpnet.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 25 Nov 2014 11:32:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:11:00 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pkg + poudriere: shared library change detected .. but not handled ? Message-ID: <20141125111100.GG1089@mordor.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sLx0z+5FKKtIVDwd" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:13:07 -0000 --sLx0z+5FKKtIVDwd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm using poudriere (3.0.19) to build my own repos, it works well but it seems that shared library changes are not handled properly, for example in https://dpaste.de/3yJM/raw I don't understand why bootstrap-openjdk is not reinstalled when I upgrade java-zoneinfo and vice-versa ..? The manpage of pkg-upgrade says: "The difference to pkg-install(8) is that pkg upgrade tries to upgrade dependencies of packages matched as well while pkg-install(8) is more=20 conservative during dependencies upgrade." Have I misunderstood something? Thanks, Julien --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. 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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: problem compiling pidgin 2.10.10 References: <20141124194742.GA1968@unixarea.DDR.dd> In-Reply-To: <20141124194742.GA1968@unixarea.DDR.dd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:39:05 -0000 On 11/24/14 2:47 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Please see below, how the problem was solved and what was causing it. > > To Joe Marcus Clarke , net-im/pidgin is not facing the > problem because it builds pidgin with --disable-consoleui and due to > this without the finch part. Well, this is because we have a slave port for finch. However, the "fix" looks like a workaround for when another port is installed. I don't have the tinfo library in /usr/local/lib. Can I assume you have a new ncurses installed? Does this patch work with the base OS? Joe > > HIH > > matthias > > ----- Forwarded message from Matthias Apitz ----- > > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:38:20 +0100 > From: Matthias Apitz > To: Ethan Blanton > Cc: support@pidgin.im > Subject: Re: problem compiling pidgin 2.10.10 > > El día Saturday, November 22, 2014 a las 09:55:16AM -0500, Ethan Blanton escribió: > >>> CCLD finch >>> /usr/bin/ld: i: invalid DSO for symbol `cur_term' definition >>> /usr/local/lib/libtinfow.so.5.9: could not read symbols: Bad value >>> cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) >>> gmake[3]: *** [finch] Error 1 >> >> There's a lot of stuff on the web about this. I don't understand why >> you're getting that specific error, but it appears to be a missing >> library on the link line. This likely means that the Pidgin configure >> scripts aren't finding something that they probably don't know to look >> for; I'm not sure exactly how this is happening. > > It works fine with a small change in the ./configure script: > > $ diff configure.orig configure > 17455c17455 > < GNT_LIBS="-lncursesw" > --- >> GNT_LIBS="-lncursesw -ltinfow" > > Maybe it's an issue only with FreeBSD, or even with certain environments > of FreeBSD. It is fine without this change on 11-CURRENT, while the > above issue is with 10-ALPHA. > > I think, we can close this thread. Thanks for your help. > > matthias > -- Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 18:56:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 633075D7; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20D8777C; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.139.110] (helo=unixarea.DDR.dd) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XtLI5-00063O-47; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:56:45 +0100 Received: from unixarea.DDR.dd (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3) with ESMTP id sAPIugg9001761; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:56:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3/Submit) id sAPIufMh001760; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:56:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: unixarea.DDR.dd: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:56:40 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Joe Marcus Clarke Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: problem compiling pidgin 2.10.10 Message-ID: <20141125185640.GA1732@unixarea.DDR.dd> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Joe Marcus Clarke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20141124194742.GA1968@unixarea.DDR.dd> <5474A296.6050700@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5474A296.6050700@freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r269739 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.139.110 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:56:48 -0000 El día Tuesday, November 25, 2014 a las 10:39:02AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke escribió: > On 11/24/14 2:47 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > Please see below, how the problem was solved and what was causing it. > > > > To Joe Marcus Clarke , net-im/pidgin is not facing the > > problem because it builds pidgin with --disable-consoleui and due to > > this without the finch part. > > Well, this is because we have a slave port for finch. However, the > "fix" looks like a workaround for when another port is installed. I > don't have the tinfo library in /usr/local/lib. Can I assume you have a > new ncurses installed? Yes, the shared lib libtinfow.so.5.9 comes on both systems with ncurses from the ports. > Does this patch work with the base OS? I don't know, perhaps it will not. We can ignore all this for the port net-im/pidgin if we do not build the pidgin/finch. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg ziehen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 19:32:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAB7593A for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher IDEA-CBC-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "alln-iport.cisco.com", Issuer "HydrantID SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97D81BC3 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:32:14 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkFAE7YdFStJA2K/2dsb2JhbABbgwZSV4MFxh6GUQKBFBYBAQEBAX2EAwEBBCMPAQVAEQsOCgICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFBgEMBgIBAQWIN7sWlloBAQEBAQEBAQIBAQEBAQEBG4Euj1SCeIFVAQSMI5QOg1mCfogWhnqEGikwgkoBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,457,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="100044396" Received: from alln-core-5.cisco.com ([173.36.13.138]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2014 19:32:13 +0000 Received: from [10.150.53.237] (dhcp-10-150-53-237.cisco.com [10.150.53.237]) by alln-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAPJWCIM019288; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:32:13 GMT Message-ID: <5474D93C.6070000@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:32:12 -0500 From: Joe Marcus Clarke Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: problem compiling pidgin 2.10.10 References: <20141124194742.GA1968@unixarea.DDR.dd> <5474A296.6050700@freebsd.org> <20141125185640.GA1732@unixarea.DDR.dd> In-Reply-To: <20141125185640.GA1732@unixarea.DDR.dd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:32:15 -0000 On 11/25/14 1:56 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Tuesday, November 25, 2014 a las 10:39:02AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke escribió: > >> On 11/24/14 2:47 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> >>> Please see below, how the problem was solved and what was causing it. >>> >>> To Joe Marcus Clarke , net-im/pidgin is not facing the >>> problem because it builds pidgin with --disable-consoleui and due to >>> this without the finch part. >> >> Well, this is because we have a slave port for finch. However, the >> "fix" looks like a workaround for when another port is installed. I >> don't have the tinfo library in /usr/local/lib. Can I assume you have a >> new ncurses installed? > > Yes, the shared lib libtinfow.so.5.9 comes on both systems with ncurses > from the ports. > >> Does this patch work with the base OS? > > I don't know, perhaps it will not. > > We can ignore all this for the port net-im/pidgin if we do not build the > pidgin/finch. But does the net-im/finch port build? I imagine it won't with ncurses from ports if this is an issue. Joe -- Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 21:40:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3CCAFDA for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tweddell.vserver-on.de (tweddell.de [84.38.66.62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AB3CB82 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bastian by tweddell.vserver-on.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XtNqm-0007uM-D2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:40:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:40:44 +0100 From: Bastian To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Invalid partition table Message-ID: <20141125214044.GI30752@tweddell.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:40:46 -0000 Hi all, I just started to run 10.1-RELEASE on a physical box - a Latitude E6330. Herein I face some troubles in contrast to the VM installations I had by now. I use zfs on root with GPT a partition table. Installation went fine. But when booting up, a message is prompted: "Invalid partition table!" When I hit enter a slash '/' appears two lines above .. and a second hit on enter eventually starts the FreeBSD bootloader. This behaviour sound quite weired to me. Could you give me somehints on that? ----- root@zam709 ~ 1 103 # gpart list Geom name: ada0 modified: false state: OK fwheads: 16 fwsectors: 63 last: 500118158 first: 34 entries: 128 scheme: GPT Providers: 1. Name: ada0p1 Mediasize: 524288 (512K) Sectorsize: 512 Stripesize: 0 Stripeoffset: 17408 Mode: r0w0e0 rawuuid: 95c86038-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f label: gptboot0 length: 524288 offset: 17408 type: freebsd-boot index: 1 end: 1057 start: 34 2. Name: ada0p2 Mediasize: 2147483648 (2.0G) Sectorsize: 512 Stripesize: 0 Stripeoffset: 541696 Mode: r1w1e2 rawuuid: 95cc569e-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b label: boot0 length: 2147483648 offset: 541696 type: freebsd-zfs index: 2 end: 4195361 start: 1058 3. Name: ada0p3 Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G) Sectorsize: 512 Stripesize: 0 Stripeoffset: 2148025344 Mode: r1w1e1 rawuuid: 95d29252-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b label: swap0 length: 8589934592 offset: 2148025344 type: freebsd-swap index: 3 end: 20972577 start: 4195362 4. Name: ada0p4 Mediasize: 245322537472 (228G) Sectorsize: 512 Stripesize: 0 Stripeoffset: 2148025344 Mode: r1w1e1 rawuuid: 95d7730d-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b label: zfs0 length: 245322537472 offset: 10737959936 type: freebsd-zfs index: 4 end: 500118158 start: 20972578 Consumers: 1. Name: ada0 Mediasize: 256060514304 (238G) Sectorsize: 512 Mode: r3w3e7 ----- Many thanks in advance, -- Bastian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 21:49:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9B3FA8F for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x230.google.com (mail-pa0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85EB8CAB for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id rd3so1410273pab.21 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:49:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1hkjTWqDVum42wIyiKkCd5PGFs51wjIoQWAg/btA07s=; b=e3cnwMyoyEd751YY+16Q6a8QhaJCgzFmBNs4bFG98koQzgDD8uPQA6Jz4YMzUcl4HR KJN5+RiNFH7qy3AptPieZMxpF6Uep6gOWEu0M6/QfJYjw6S211xwQ7/jmsWX/IbzVItP ZhgjufhAIbNdMR32qkGnaw0kG8XSsXGUn0ontogxBdGULsbcSdYgTGXD/GIj8vG/x1cC l0DJoRh57b1EjiNwmirVY7XCF/3qQn13NG4+bdrGcOQI/eM3MBHcvPB/WxxVNaIUWpmH 8z4J0qHATtqxhMDZifxTFIMHKWlvB9AQ2UflFV0Sa6VoispXbU/1BMxS4ZunqhzI6EbB wsew== X-Received: by 10.67.30.194 with SMTP id kg2mr48054365pad.8.1416952186044; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (76-218-80-47.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [76.218.80.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u5sm2344560pdc.79.2014.11.25.13.49.44 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:49:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5474F978.3020805@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:49:44 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid partition table References: <20141125214044.GI30752@tweddell.de> In-Reply-To: <20141125214044.GI30752@tweddell.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:49:46 -0000 On 11/25/2014 02:40 PM, Bastian wrote: > Hi all, > > I just started to run 10.1-RELEASE on a physical box - a Latitude E6330. > Herein I face some troubles in contrast to the VM installations I had by > now. > > I use zfs on root with GPT a partition table. Installation went fine. > But when booting up, a message is prompted: "Invalid partition table!" > > When I hit enter a slash '/' appears two lines above .. and a second hit > on enter eventually starts the FreeBSD bootloader. This behaviour sound > quite weired to me. > > Could you give me somehints on that? > > > ----- > root@zam709 ~ 1 > 103 # gpart list > Geom name: ada0 > modified: false > state: OK > fwheads: 16 > fwsectors: 63 > last: 500118158 > first: 34 > entries: 128 > scheme: GPT > Providers: > 1. Name: ada0p1 > Mediasize: 524288 (512K) > Sectorsize: 512 > Stripesize: 0 > Stripeoffset: 17408 > Mode: r0w0e0 > rawuuid: 95c86038-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f > label: gptboot0 > length: 524288 > offset: 17408 > type: freebsd-boot > index: 1 > end: 1057 > start: 34 > 2. Name: ada0p2 > Mediasize: 2147483648 (2.0G) > Sectorsize: 512 > Stripesize: 0 > Stripeoffset: 541696 > Mode: r1w1e2 > rawuuid: 95cc569e-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > label: boot0 > length: 2147483648 > offset: 541696 > type: freebsd-zfs > index: 2 > end: 4195361 > start: 1058 > 3. Name: ada0p3 > Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G) > Sectorsize: 512 > Stripesize: 0 > Stripeoffset: 2148025344 > Mode: r1w1e1 > rawuuid: 95d29252-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > label: swap0 > length: 8589934592 > offset: 2148025344 > type: freebsd-swap > index: 3 > end: 20972577 > start: 4195362 > 4. Name: ada0p4 > Mediasize: 245322537472 (228G) > Sectorsize: 512 > Stripesize: 0 > Stripeoffset: 2148025344 > Mode: r1w1e1 > rawuuid: 95d7730d-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > label: zfs0 > length: 245322537472 > offset: 10737959936 > type: freebsd-zfs > index: 4 > end: 500118158 > start: 20972578 > Consumers: > 1. Name: ada0 > Mediasize: 256060514304 (238G) > Sectorsize: 512 > Mode: r3w3e7 > ----- > > > Many thanks in advance, > Problems reports like this have made me think twice about installing FBSD on a GPT partitioned drive with zfs boot partition. I will stick to plain msdos paritioning, and plain ffs boot partition. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 25 22:35:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 441C95F6 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFC8417B for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:35:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1416954927; bh=dMhRqRqXmPTQEwTE2R35XpnOzuqJuGOa+oIEH2vWZaE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=JRwlHCCfc9yQwJXuJQM/H2tryW3EnRwqLLvLlRNEO0sHGfuu9+4M+ln4TIdC9Q55/Pq/A8S1VtNYzy/EMVS6sQTWJpxWdfhcDPh2rBYYJ2or/paY4x03/R1sJvLqbDLfVk4hJH2gblL0LSkWP5YRnzN2Z03woDEJWLROjkkwRQqfUATyUEqDoUdiUHVmb89h4Lw6MSIb63E9coq45lPkcUPbgcIrlB63v3R/6o760/S8Msvqe5B9Vi/Mb7gop12uCfHest8+0m5r+xUIMClVxqaj0GZLYkTEzzbZttKT/RW89okcCpiGSz8ZMlQ27cvkaJmIktyTMxZk8YgPuVXi1g== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=c5PkrF+7/NpDbLsExsVoeeqpZ/ToJj2JhBVEeA2oD6TGCW4wIlELQyXW25f1dXhmFB6YgZBFIBElbCg/0thOYj4kOuPcj3z8o20pVRCYyuvzYWmWNo2MDG1k3trjMDNTivOcwugCIAjEZkXrJdRmRMJhQ+r36RRmjcvP9wih8KlWTlscUwq15qf+zSwGGn+mbYxSro12QzRapctrBSmN4bs/CglY4sZ/XBaskIgEhqaOMImzkVPW7DcUUMijahZEMOs5hqtz3Wg9a4BxHrYLjgugM4BsVgC9MSksCpw9xInkReKWR+ccibModuMau8oeUmupnCaYEbxV//ptivFk2A==; Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2014 22:35:27 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.64] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2014 22:35:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp221.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2014 22:35:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 719009.986.bm@smtp221.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: gQXUjggVM1mScSjRBID4hHdsO20Nz5TAwpO8Inl.TlC75vi IfhGb62SsAz.Hagi5oZNt6NvUUN63sRY6e5r8AILr_H638LX.ruJDznihZCT 5xmqCAdDm_mmbHoVs7o.q0_Ebf7IJZjm.Copmy0pu3LDmIHXQc6_ewyChUf_ rg.z1pPdt9w_VDmNfyypRCCK0Ysho.SwQLYULjOLKNVPLeL6g_dHD5zk.vkr MjWke4eKQNgFyFjjWQNRzuZ0zl..RFue7T2iAHtVw4ymoBGREp4GZOJGsNtG FVOi3zUNpxGuwEVaZ7A6TuzTqz_j6sUUAsedZlY5C68n3o89Z9Rl2lj0_Mjz F0tuEq_5rKUN0HuxTvjjEQg8Z6YmD5Pz.oE0cpxayU3oi2Rpm9pPAhPhRzlG fH9Zc5zPMG9QBS6g9kzlgcrJllbO_tjYv2_TZ5Rv19w9N36uwXUv0vd3sKBz PL.GuRzVcrfQCl8g15h5L31D43vSHcIrlnxp_sBvmw5czPFcENxHruI.gxPZ HhfWTyLzGTSN_C9GeRhswcwQS X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Message-ID: <5475042E.2050102@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:35:26 -0500 From: Paul Pathiakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid partition table References: <20141125214044.GI30752@tweddell.de> In-Reply-To: <20141125214044.GI30752@tweddell.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:35:35 -0000 Bastian, I'll try to answer this but I'm no expert..... I don't understand your partitioning. Typically, due to the 'pool' concept of storage with ZFS versus the filesystem types, things have changed from traditional partitioning. Try a 'man gpart' to start off. Look at the 'gpart recover' and see if that helps. Commands/flags that you will want to look at in more detail: gpart add -t -a -i geom gpart create -s provider Now, looking at these: gpart create -s GPT provider (where provider is /dev/ada? in your case or /dev/da? for example) This command labels the type of partitioning scheme. gpart add -t (type in your case: freebsd-boot, freebsd-swap, freebsd-zfs) -a 4k (4k boundaries) -i ada0 (in your case) Now, in my case, the following: gpart create -s GPT ada0 gpart add -t freebsd-boot -a 4k -i 1 ada0 (This creates /dev/ada0p1) gpart add -t freebsd-swap -s 2g -i 2 ada0 (This creates a 2GB swap on /dev/ada0p2) gpart add -t freebsd-zfs -i 3 ada0 (This creates the large ZFS pool on the remaing part of the disk on /dev/ada0p3) gpart show will give you a much more succinct output so you can see your partition table. Now, when you have created this, you want to make sure that your have the correct bootstrap written to the partition. This is a master boot record (MBR) that needs to be written to a PARTITION -> pmbr Back to gpart for a zfs bootstrap for gpt using the MBR for partitions: gpart -p /boot/pmbr -b /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 (<-- partition 1 is your freebsd-boot partition) ada0 You should see "bootcode installed on ada0" IF you have mirrored disks, do not forget to install the bootstrap on the other disk of the mirror. Usually, you can do this at just about any time. Also, if you upgrade a pool's level or the zfs level of the pool, always write a new bootstrap to the boot partition of the boot disk. (or both disks if a mirror) I've been using ZFS since late 8.2 I think. I haven't really had any issues with it that weren't my own fault. Now that I use it as a default, I believe I understand it a bit better now. Good luck, P. On 11/25/2014 16:40, Bastian wrote: > Hi all, > > I just started to run 10.1-RELEASE on a physical box - a Latitude E6330. > Herein I face some troubles in contrast to the VM installations I had by > now. > > I use zfs on root with GPT a partition table. Installation went fine. > But when booting up, a message is prompted: "Invalid partition table!" > > When I hit enter a slash '/' appears two lines above .. and a second hit > on enter eventually starts the FreeBSD bootloader. This behaviour sound > quite weired to me. > > Could you give me somehints on that? > > > ----- > root@zam709 ~ 1 > 103 # gpart list > Geom name: ada0 > modified: false > state: OK > fwheads: 16 > fwsectors: 63 > last: 500118158 > first: 34 > entries: 128 > scheme: GPT > Providers: > 1. Name: ada0p1 > Mediasize: 524288 (512K) > Sectorsize: 512 > Stripesize: 0 > Stripeoffset: 17408 > Mode: r0w0e0 > rawuuid: 95c86038-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f > label: gptboot0 > length: 524288 > offset: 17408 > type: freebsd-boot > index: 1 > end: 1057 > start: 34 > 2. Name: ada0p2 > Mediasize: 2147483648 (2.0G) > Sectorsize: 512 > Stripesize: 0 > Stripeoffset: 541696 > Mode: r1w1e2 > rawuuid: 95cc569e-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > label: boot0 > length: 2147483648 > offset: 541696 > type: freebsd-zfs > index: 2 > end: 4195361 > start: 1058 > 3. Name: ada0p3 > Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G) > Sectorsize: 512 > Stripesize: 0 > Stripeoffset: 2148025344 > Mode: r1w1e1 > rawuuid: 95d29252-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > label: swap0 > length: 8589934592 > offset: 2148025344 > type: freebsd-swap > index: 3 > end: 20972577 > start: 4195362 > 4. Name: ada0p4 > Mediasize: 245322537472 (228G) > Sectorsize: 512 > Stripesize: 0 > Stripeoffset: 2148025344 > Mode: r1w1e1 > rawuuid: 95d7730d-71b0-11e4-99be-f01faf034705 > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > label: zfs0 > length: 245322537472 > offset: 10737959936 > type: freebsd-zfs > index: 4 > end: 500118158 > start: 20972578 > Consumers: > 1. Name: ada0 > Mediasize: 256060514304 (238G) > Sectorsize: 512 > Mode: r3w3e7 > ----- > > > Many thanks in advance, > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 03:54:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E11CB46 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 03:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21F0F819 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 03:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f12so1422617qad.28 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:54:49 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GcF3G35fkxjTaK0PK8vDv1MDkiwDPfeaC+/wcIy+0/I=; b=AFf49tJMFL+G0QpTPvEIGrMeiBCytreADq+wAj8V5jGyJ/uPrCy6WU4CEcTAxHaIhw sysI56zqzefuH7CUU3lrrX8W4ma4GrBWFsuale1Rvy0tdDYa+FxXIVSwvVBVhRd6gKfd 8wyO9F0M48jCDN0hJGTZNWjND3hyDTvKrFdBYmf/0FIsLXxmLiRbyF/MwbxAwXCy5XZL TXCSrAGSixeThIWCkNU2j4sQTT14Ka9HUOyjNVzwCF3Jh4dDQy+FA+GAL1T3dm+CQmwh LmVGT0nTVZSC2XbUTCgLGOxu0KXou3oXny2ObW0RIbURizIufyYmsjSBNIE0+Big6VaA H6RQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlhiqYypNMeX0p2PDU0dPBoM6/LdugWtJkmVsW8825qHOhD/We/DeV5QpTQHeJhWEMyuQf9 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.122.15 with SMTP id j15mr31489435qar.68.1416973717586; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.85.179 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:48:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:48:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: UPS for FreeBSD From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 03:54:51 -0000 Hi, I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when power goes out. Do any of these work with FreeBSD via USB? - CyberPower Standby CP425SLG UPS - CyberPower Standby CP550SLG UPS - Tripp Lite ECO Series 350VA UPS - Tripp Lite ECO Series 550VA UPS Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at Staples or Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut down the server gracefully. TIA, Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 05:01:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BD526E4 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:0:a400::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60641E1F for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (c-71-59-211-166.hsd1.or.comcast.net [71.59.211.166]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 694992C160D; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2DDC13DE; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:01:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54755E9C.4000000@bluerosetech.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:01:16 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alejandro Imass , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:01:25 -0000 On 11/25/2014 7:48 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with > FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when power > goes out. It's not so much compatibility with FreeBSD, but compatibility with UPS management software like Network UPS Tools. NUT maintains an extensive list of UPS compatibility and which drivers work in which OSes. I'm not aware of any other general UPS management suites, but I would hope they maintain similar lists. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 05:03:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 358A4784 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D4C4E39 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:03:47 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=bsdjunk; d=bsdjunk.com; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; b=WjBsi3S0MqCk/dkoyF/kDlMLlCYDuhvkhw6UZKQ9XL+06aCiuVOBFvJ4CFQckgJiSq/N4JaRjIPr 7pcR2FDp/r78N9/66+Nr+wV2SFsPRMmyMY3dyBE/1DAD6KBcdZTWd5CnYIHqhvawAAjinhctnnbm SUz7oIeCGcOCEF5JXQg= Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1416978223477420.23334776419495; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:03:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:03:43 -0600 From: chris To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <149ea7bd146.fe999e3b302712.7925934797482203306@bsdjunk.com> In-Reply-To: <54755E9C.4000000@bluerosetech.com> References: <54755E9C.4000000@bluerosetech.com> Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Cc: Alejandro Imass X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:03:48 -0000 Hello, I have a few CyberPower UPS which work fine in FreeBSD, one is used with freenas to auto shutdown if power stay off for more than 25 mins. ------------------------------------- Chris Petrik FreeBSD Developer E on FreeBSD ------ As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true name. -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. Ritchie ---- On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:01:16 -0600 Darren Pilgrim wrote ---- > On 11/25/2014 7:48 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with > > FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when power > > goes out. > > It's not so much compatibility with FreeBSD, but compatibility with UPS > management software like Network UPS Tools. NUT maintains an extensive > list of UPS compatibility and which drivers work in which OSes. I'm not > aware of any other general UPS management suites, but I would hope they > maintain similar lists. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 05:46:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59710C3E for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22c.google.com (mail-lb0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D22C2217 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id u10so1862236lbd.17 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:46:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Qd/1kXtOXzFxQYuMZ1y41pQZ0yj579ZX/T/EoIbg7GA=; b=C4wM7smvRa++eaNfH4Eyb9ZLrJTJU+yPNRZzgg5IJeRIHdabID+mrrFYWxcpfDFM/d +Coq5nQsqmKr9A8sFHbW0XrVMa+XXA7UFTXLvoTAVOCOzlktPTwPvvNl9Z7rV+5fmtPD T786Q47fOXS2mQ/CCce7F7T1LMP0+R5Scg+CSBE2VXzGWEiRFtyUpVmCIvAaBGxk5dol GcNIWxPMfacuEJujjBQfql2dOTZ58eV5n+muPy5is8xn0iEEh50WrXP2oBBqxmOZCn7h vf8M7HSPZhGMmDAxe8aatHkG0lD40vIzU8D0brPAPTXWLdHB2HSsMxADjnAatiVUsv7p hx+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.234.201 with SMTP id ug9mr32444201lbc.14.1416980788992; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:46:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.44.149 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:46:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:46:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Possible CARP routing issue From: Riaan Kruger To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:46:31 -0000 It seems that in some circumstances routing is not playing well with CARP. We have the following scenario. Device A --------- 192.168.1.10 Router: ------- 10.0.0.1 Device B -------- Interface 1 Virtual IP (CARP): 172.16.1.3 Interface 1 Real IP: 172.16.1.2 Routing table of device B: 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 192.168.1.0 10.0.0.1 etc ... When Device A pings the Real IP of Device B (172.16.1.2) we see the following ARP request packet: ARP request who has 192.168.1.10 tell 172.16.1.3 In other words pinging the real IP causes the Virtual IP to ask for the MAC address of the pinging device, even though they are not in the same subnet and there is a default route. Pinging the virtual IP does not induce this ARP request and the ping is successful. When deleting the second route from the routing table above the ARP request is not sent. I know the second route is superfluous but it is put there by third party software. The real issue is why this behavior happens with CARP. Is it an indication of some underlying problem? Riaan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 06:24:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0ADDECD for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x235.google.com (mail-pd0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C6507B7 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id z10so2136113pdj.26 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:24:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wMy3iGjJye1zcZcN0o7flaGS32zTPyzL5HDX7KJBUbw=; b=p1FTrsNsXJX6UflCMHxQREA2XsH4V2437NNzYpkAn+BZY6OvWAPkqEOxd+/Fs/VtrU lb2Lcww5553hHw9yDpLPtphOfnTRGpXnVyV/MN6l0u2zCIHdwVxUlwD5VrbM5wEkzzrM xqJJfmhZNCaPpSWi/vSqk1yXVoAX4dchy4usUMnTtG3QJZ4Um52xhyXDBHW1flvKfgZ8 p5kceov+sNaJMa4C9/4BscWTMWNgUhYayPmd4TAM3XKHkX/lHw2x+FwTQI1+AF6FUZNi 8x8ATjqsKw/kvc7NbDRti2m9IwGeIKHFoC3CFP3bCRu/AJd9+tijti0MMM2GPezu8w9I SE1Q== X-Received: by 10.70.102.234 with SMTP id fr10mr49855127pdb.145.1416983064015; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (76-218-80-47.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [76.218.80.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sk3sm3249633pac.13.2014.11.25.22.24.23 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:24:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54757216.5090502@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:24:22 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Possible CARP routing issue References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:24:24 -0000 On 11/25/2014 10:46 PM, Riaan Kruger wrote: > It seems that in some circumstances routing is not playing well with CARP. > We have the following scenario. > > Device A > --------- > 192.168.1.10 > > Router: > ------- > 10.0.0.1 > > Device B > -------- > Interface 1 Virtual IP (CARP): 172.16.1.3 > Interface 1 Real IP: 172.16.1.2 > > Routing table of device B: > 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 > 192.168.1.0 10.0.0.1 > etc ... > > When Device A pings the Real IP of Device B (172.16.1.2) we see the > following ARP request packet: > ARP request who has 192.168.1.10 tell 172.16.1.3 > > In other words pinging the real IP causes the Virtual IP to ask for the MAC > address of the pinging device, even though they are not in the same subnet > and there is a default route. Pinging the virtual IP does not induce this > ARP request and the ping is successful. > When deleting the second route from the routing table above the ARP request > is not sent. > I know the second route is superfluous but it is put there by third party > software. > > The real issue is why this behavior happens with CARP. Is it an indication > of some underlying problem? > > > Riaan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Did you enable forwarding? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 06:58:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E12A2421; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E05BA60; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.113.121.215] (helo=unixarea.DDR.dd) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XtWYk-0001Ol-MF; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:58:42 +0100 Received: from unixarea.DDR.dd (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3) with ESMTP id sAQ6wZ4v001712; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:58:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3/Submit) id sAQ6wXQK001711; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:58:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: unixarea.DDR.dd: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:58:31 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Joe Marcus Clarke Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: problem compiling pidgin 2.10.10 Message-ID: <20141126065831.GA1644@unixarea.DDR.dd> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Joe Marcus Clarke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20141124194742.GA1968@unixarea.DDR.dd> <5474A296.6050700@freebsd.org> <20141125185640.GA1732@unixarea.DDR.dd> <5474D93C.6070000@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5474D93C.6070000@freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r269739 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 82.113.121.215 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:58:53 -0000 El día Tuesday, November 25, 2014 a las 02:32:12PM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke escribió: > >> Does this patch work with the base OS? > > > > I don't know, perhaps it will not. > > > > We can ignore all this for the port net-im/pidgin if we do not build the > > pidgin/finch. > > But does the net-im/finch port build? I imagine it won't with ncurses > from ports if this is an issue. On 10-ALPHA4 (rev. r255948) the build of net-im/finch fails with the same problem with the lib libtinfow.so.9 provided by the port (or pkg) ncurses-5.9_3. I will check my 11-CURRENT too this evening. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg ziehen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 07:28:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 881DC75F for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from io.ze.tum.de (io.ze.tum.de [129.187.39.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C85ACDB for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from etustar.ze.tum.de (etustar.ze.tum.de [129.187.39.200]) (authenticated bits=0) by io.ze.tum.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAQ7IbD2048160 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:18:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Message-ID: <54757ECD.3060502@ze.tum.de> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:18:37 +0100 From: Gerhard Schmidt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: pkgng local repositories X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:28:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm trying to setup a repository for some internal packages. i've done the packages with pkg create and run pkg repo on the directory with the packages and setup an nginx to server this directory. The problem starts wwith the client side. I created the following file in /etc/pkg WOS: { url: "pkg+http://build.intern/packages", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "fingerprints", fingerprints: "/usr/local/etc/pkg/fingerprints", enabled: yes } and put a file with the signature ob the used signing key in /usr/local/etc/pkg/fingerprints function: sha256 fingerprint: bfb36c02ecff31b573a9837c73dd978ca6d79dc1fc2451334c4cad003bded43f When i run pkg update on the client i get the following output Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... FreeBSD repository is up-to-date. Updating WOS repository catalogue... Fetching meta.txz: 100% 560 B 0.6k/s 00:01 pkg: No signature found pkg: repository WOS has no meta file, using default settings Fetching digests.txz: 100% 6 KB 5.9k/s 00:01 pkg: No signature found pkg: Unable to update repository WOS both file are found and downloaded and both files contain a file named signature. What am I doing wrong. Regards Estartu - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------- Gerhard Schmidt | E-Mail: schmidt@ze.tum.de Technische Universität München | Jabber: estartu@ze.tum.de WWW & Online Services | Tel: +49 89 289-25270 | PGP-PublicKey Fax: +49 89 289-25257 | on request -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQCVAwUBVHV+zQzx22nOTJQRAQLenQP+JprMHbOKp4GJUOUaWyXk1kb6p1qA3kkE qAnxe06tQMrnhulJlPLvzZ4ClT4Z+3zoC52fGflrEDF5hg678hRHuQfGPn7E12cr u17GkKJqB0qD+7KIPa7YHq+ET+20JoCS6EbQJXM0RaqjktQknOqSJ1sa7FJom9IP gGq5DP/SBHw= =WiYS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 07:31:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 319E881B for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22c.google.com (mail-lb0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A605ED8A for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id u10so1962501lbd.3 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:31:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JiXXEk1DZ3i0ZB+6NXCs5mrAy6C7F5XSzQvyD9lyzic=; b=FHSmX5vOEzJeVslI0Gw3BLalUY6qgN0SgRcof9Fnii4rleVVAlim6HOhIWzVki2LUv umqG2q7ugv7hpgLTnwdbaNmdbCvstk9NhsqbU0eU4ATfyUvFMhAug5qkoS0a9rQWAYPU flZbZwmKQP7ump8FIQSGtLk6uPbR/9mk4M7ynoIca8e1ruc2UsRWfIBn+4Y6kXfFlZLZ J8GszogmJQck6JbRn6zDtZ7itfWt7l3GnFQxTS2UQBdSQwyoCL+o3F6ft9zo6OGAPYGO f2eaJvelGf474+EPET5ebRCcscvmRE+/75udv5E8HTlv8OrhT1q1rEKEpc5v6eEc1fhD 6xWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.16.168 with SMTP id h8mr32515805lbd.41.1416987098803; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.44.149 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:31:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54757216.5090502@gmail.com> References: <54757216.5090502@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 09:31:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Possible CARP routing issue From: Riaan Kruger To: jd1008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:31:41 -0000 Thank you for response. I just found the problem. The third party software installs a route (the second one listed in the above routing table) with the flags US and thereby leaving out the G flag which states "Destination requires forwarding by intermediary". This means that it assumes the destination is local and therefor doing the ARP request On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:24 AM, jd1008 wrote: > > On 11/25/2014 10:46 PM, Riaan Kruger wrote: > >> It seems that in some circumstances routing is not playing well with CARP. >> We have the following scenario. >> >> Device A >> --------- >> 192.168.1.10 >> >> Router: >> ------- >> 10.0.0.1 >> >> Device B >> -------- >> Interface 1 Virtual IP (CARP): 172.16.1.3 >> Interface 1 Real IP: 172.16.1.2 >> >> Routing table of device B: >> 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 >> 192.168.1.0 10.0.0.1 >> etc ... >> >> When Device A pings the Real IP of Device B (172.16.1.2) we see the >> following ARP request packet: >> ARP request who has 192.168.1.10 tell 172.16.1.3 >> >> In other words pinging the real IP causes the Virtual IP to ask for the >> MAC >> address of the pinging device, even though they are not in the same subnet >> and there is a default route. Pinging the virtual IP does not induce this >> ARP request and the ping is successful. >> When deleting the second route from the routing table above the ARP >> request >> is not sent. >> I know the second route is superfluous but it is put there by third party >> software. >> >> The real issue is why this behavior happens with CARP. Is it an indication >> of some underlying problem? >> >> >> Riaan >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> Did you enable forwarding? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 07:33:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23EE88B0 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "ca.infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE179D9C for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAQ7Xmlx036610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:33:49 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk sAQ7Xmlx036610 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/sAQ7Xmlx036610; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral Message-ID: <54758252.9030707@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:33:38 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng local repositories References: <54757ECD.3060502@ze.tum.de> In-Reply-To: <54757ECD.3060502@ze.tum.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pNsQkAk2MPvMtaWWOS3ubrKcPHrH9etIC" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:33:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --pNsQkAk2MPvMtaWWOS3ubrKcPHrH9etIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 26/11/2014 07:18, Gerhard Schmidt wrote: > I'm trying to setup a repository for some internal packages. >=20 > i've done the packages with pkg create and run pkg repo on the > directory with the packages and setup an nginx to server this directory= =2E >=20 > The problem starts wwith the client side. >=20 > I created the following file in /etc/pkg >=20 > WOS: { > url: "pkg+http://build.intern/packages", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/local/etc/pkg/fingerprints", > enabled: yes > } >=20 > and put a file with the signature ob the used signing key in > /usr/local/etc/pkg/fingerprints >=20 > function: sha256 > fingerprint: > bfb36c02ecff31b573a9837c73dd978ca6d79dc1fc2451334c4cad003bded43f >=20 > When i run pkg update on the client i get the following output >=20 > Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... > FreeBSD repository is up-to-date. > Updating WOS repository catalogue... > Fetching meta.txz: 100% 560 B 0.6k/s 00:01 > pkg: No signature found > pkg: repository WOS has no meta file, using default settings > Fetching digests.txz: 100% 6 KB 5.9k/s 00:01 > pkg: No signature found > pkg: Unable to update repository WOS >=20 > both file are found and downloaded and both files contain a file named > signature. >=20 > What am I doing wrong. Using the wrong mirror type. Try: url: "http://build.intern/packages", mirror_type: NONE, This is the appropriate setting if you have a single repository site, as most private build systems will. pkg+http:// and SRV is appropriate if you have a global network of mirrored package repositories (as the FreeBSD project does) -- so don't copy the standard FreeBSD pkg.conf too slavishly. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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Sinc= e recently we use relayd (installed via pkg) to do some load balancing stuf= f. On a freshly installed machine running 10.0-RELEASE everything worked fi= ne.=20 On monday, I tried to upgrade to 10.1-RELEASE using freebsd-update as descr= ibed in the handbook chapter 24. At first everything looked good but relayd= wouldn't come up: "Nov 24 10:50:48 flutters relayd[3300]: fatal: cannot add rule: Operation n= ot supported by device Nov 24 10:50:48 flutters relayd[3293]: lost child: pfe exited abnormally" When I tried to start it with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/relayd start the kernel p= anicked. I had to roll back the update (which worked fine). However, I was = able to reproduce this behavior on a virtual machine.=20 My guess is it happens here: #7 0xffffffff81a37954 in pfr_detach_table (kt=3D0x0) at /usr/src_10.1.0/sys/modules/pf/../../netpfil/pf/pf_table.c:2047 The corresponding code is: void pfr_detach_table(struct pfr_ktable *kt) { PF_RULES_WASSERT(); KASSERT(kt->pfrkt_refcnt[PFR_REFCNT_RULE] > 0, ("%s: refcount %d\n"= , __func__, kt->pfrkt_refcnt[PFR_REFCNT_RULE])); if (!--kt->pfrkt_refcnt[PFR_REFCNT_RULE]) pfr_setflags_ktable(kt, kt->pfrkt_flags&~PFR_TFLAG_REFERENC= ED); } >From what I know about C programming: kt is not supposed to be 0x0.=20 My guess was that some data structure has changed between 10.0 and 10.1 ker= nels. So a recompile of relayd should fix that. It did. I compiled it from = the ports and it worked.=20 Now my question ist: did I do something wrong? Maybe compiling is the pref= erred method over using binaries? I'm still trying to figure out what the = "stay-out-of-trouble"-mode on FreeBSD is (like yum -y update). But I'd rath= er use the binaries.=20 Viele Gr=FC=DFe=20 Andrej Kolontai Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet Muenchen Ref. 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1416991682939553.8905937592054; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:48:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:48:02 -0600 From: chris To: Kolontai Andrej Message-ID: <149eb493147.be70d913323267.2224861688157199256@bsdjunk.com> In-Reply-To: <894145A3DDBDEF4880E00D334DCD872618A8B2DE@MXS2.zuv.uni-muenchen.de> References: <894145A3DDBDEF4880E00D334DCD872618A8B2DE@MXS2.zuv.uni-muenchen.de> Subject: Re: Relayd crashing Kernel on 10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:48:09 -0000 Hi, if you used freebsd-update that only updates the core you need to manually = update the ports normally it is recommended to recompile all the ports or i= f your using pkgng a simple pkg update pkg upgrade should get you going all= owing you to update without these issues. ------------------------------------- Chris Petrik FreeBSD Developer E on FreeBSD ------ As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true n= ame. -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. Ritchie ---- On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:43:19 -0600 Kolontai Andrej wrote ----=20 > Hello @all,=20 > =20 > I'm new to this list and hope this is the right place to ask. =20 > We are using FreeBSD for our Firewalls and are actually happy with it. S= ince recently we use relayd (installed via pkg) to do some load balancing s= tuff. On a freshly installed machine running 10.0-RELEASE everything worked= fine. =20 > On monday, I tried to upgrade to 10.1-RELEASE using freebsd-update as de= scribed in the handbook chapter 24. At first everything looked good but rel= ayd wouldn't come up:=20 > =20 > "Nov 24 10:50:48 flutters relayd[3300]: fatal: cannot add rule: Operatio= n not supported by device=20 > Nov 24 10:50:48 flutters relayd[3293]: lost child: pfe exited abnormally= "=20 > =20 > When I tried to start it with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/relayd start the kerne= l panicked. I had to roll back the update (which worked fine). However, I w= as able to reproduce this behavior on a virtual machine. =20 > =20 > =20 > My guess is it happens here:=20 > #7 0xffffffff81a37954 in pfr_detach_table (kt=3D0x0)=20 > at /usr/src_10.1.0/sys/modules/pf/../../netpfil/pf/pf_table.c:2047= =20 > =20 > The corresponding code is:=20 > void=20 > pfr_detach_table(struct pfr_ktable *kt)=20 > {=20 > =20 > PF_RULES_WASSERT();=20 > KASSERT(kt->pfrkt_refcnt[PFR_REFCNT_RULE] > 0, ("%s: refcount %d= \n",=20 > __func__, kt->pfrkt_refcnt[PFR_REFCNT_RULE]));=20 > =20 > if (!--kt->pfrkt_refcnt[PFR_REFCNT_RULE])=20 > pfr_setflags_ktable(kt, kt->pfrkt_flags&~PFR_TFLAG_REFER= ENCED);=20 > }=20 > =20 > From what I know about C programming: kt is not supposed to be 0x0. =20 > My guess was that some data structure has changed between 10.0 and 10.1 = kernels. So a recompile of relayd should fix that. It did. I compiled it fr= om the ports and it worked. =20 > =20 > Now my question ist: did I do something wrong? Maybe compiling is the p= referred method over using binaries? I'm still trying to figure out what t= he "stay-out-of-trouble"-mode on FreeBSD is (like yum -y update). But I'd r= ather use the binaries. =20 > =20 > =20 > Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe =20 > =20 > Andrej Kolontai=20 > =20 > Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet Muenchen=20 > Ref. 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On a freshly installed machine running 10.0-RELEASE everything w= orked fine.=20 > On monday, I tried to upgrade to 10.1-RELEASE using freebsd-update as d= escribed in the handbook chapter 24. At first everything looked good but = relayd wouldn't come up: >=20 > "Nov 24 10:50:48 flutters relayd[3300]: fatal: cannot add rule: Operati= on not supported by device > Nov 24 10:50:48 flutters relayd[3293]: lost child: pfe exited abnormall= y" >=20 > When I tried to start it with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/relayd start the kern= el panicked. I had to roll back the update (which worked fine). However, = I was able to reproduce this behavior on a virtual machine.=20 >=20 >=20 > My guess is it happens here: > #7 0xffffffff81a37954 in pfr_detach_table (kt=3D0x0) > at /usr/src_10.1.0/sys/modules/pf/../../netpfil/pf/pf_table.c:2047 >=20 > The corresponding code is: > void > pfr_detach_table(struct pfr_ktable *kt) > { >=20 > PF_RULES_WASSERT(); > KASSERT(kt->pfrkt_refcnt[PFR_REFCNT_RULE] > 0, ("%s: refcount %= d\n", > __func__, kt->pfrkt_refcnt[PFR_REFCNT_RULE])); >=20 > if (!--kt->pfrkt_refcnt[PFR_REFCNT_RULE]) > pfr_setflags_ktable(kt, kt->pfrkt_flags&~PFR_TFLAG_REFE= RENCED); > } >=20 > From what I know about C programming: kt is not supposed to be 0x0.=20 > My guess was that some data structure has changed between 10.0 and 10.1= kernels. So a recompile of relayd should fix that. It did. I compiled it= from the ports and it worked.=20 >=20 > Now my question ist: did I do something wrong? Maybe compiling is the = preferred method over using binaries? I'm still trying to figure out what= the "stay-out-of-trouble"-mode on FreeBSD is (like yum -y update). But = I'd rather use the binaries.=20 >=20 >=20 > Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe=20 >=20 Hi, Kolontai, What you have discovered here is clearly a bug. It seems that relayd is poking around in kernel internals in a way that makes it particularly fragile when the kernel is updated. That, or else somebody slipped up and 10.1-RELEASE has not preserved KBI compatibility with 10.0-RELEASE. Either way, it's a bug that needs to be addressed. Could you report this via Bugzilla please? https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi I'd start by classifying this as a kernel bug, since userland processes really aren't meant to be able to cause panics. This does mean that relayd from the FreeBSD pkg repositories is essentially only usable on 10.0 until the end of January when 10.0 goes out of support -- the package builder uses the earliest supported version from each major branch for building, as there is meant to be forwards ABI and KBI compatibility within each major branch. There are a few other programs like that, all of which tend to have a far too intimate knowledge of various kernel internals. lsof is a case in point. As you say, a work-around is to build the package locally. 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Despite the message that freebsd-update prints out, this is *not* the case. You only need to reinstall all your packages when doing a major version upgrade. Minor version upgrades like 10.0 -> 10.1 do not in general require everything to be reinstalled. There are a few -- a very few -- applications where this is not the case, but those should just be individually updated. The spurious message is a known bug in freebsd-update, and will be fixed in future releases. 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X-Received: by 10.180.82.227 with SMTP id l3mr14466909wiy.0.1416998666688; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:44:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.27.80.138 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:44:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54759F0B.7080907@freebsd.org> References: <894145A3DDBDEF4880E00D334DCD872618A8B2DE@MXS2.zuv.uni-muenchen.de> <149eb493147.be70d913323267.2224861688157199256@bsdjunk.com> <54759F0B.7080907@freebsd.org> From: Axel Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:44:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Relayd crashing Kernel on 10.1 To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:44:37 -0000 2014-11-26 10:36 GMT+01:00 Matthew Seaman : > On 11/26/14 08:48, chris wrote: > > if you used freebsd-update that only updates the core you need to > > manually update the ports normally it is recommended to recompile all > > the ports or if your using pkgng a simple pkg update pkg upgrade > > should get you going allowing you to update without these issues. > > Despite the message that freebsd-update prints out, this is *not* the > case. You only need to reinstall all your packages when doing a major > version upgrade. Minor version upgrades like 10.0 -> 10.1 do not in > general require everything to be reinstalled. > > There are a few -- a very few -- applications where this is not the > case, but those should just be individually updated. > > The spurious message is a known bug in freebsd-update, and will be fixed > in future releases. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > > Hi Matthew, I upgraded two servers to 10.1-RELEASE using freebsd-update tool, and the message about recompile ports appeared on just one of the two servers. Kind Regards. 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Wed, 26 Nov 2014 13:43:20 -0000 So, we finally got some answers from isp. They said it seems to be problem on isps routers. Now we just need to wait and see if they do something about it. Thank's for suggestions and help anyways On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:51 AM, pepe wrote: > Hello. > > Sorry about no information. I just realized that too. > So, server is hosted at isp's server rack. Connected with two gigabit > ethernets (em0 and em1, but currently we're using only em0 until we get > everything working, then we're look into duplicating internet connection). > Server setup is ESXi running two FreeBSD servers. IPv6 problem was very > same on both machines, but currently for testing we're running it on one > server only. em0 is connected to cisco switch that is connected to isps > network with fiber. So, we really can't do any testing or changes with > hardware because of the setup. > > We're not doing firewalling, or well of course we are, but when doing ipv6 > setup and testing - no ipv6 firewall at all. And actually we tired IPv6 > setup with firewall completely off too. > > I'm not planning to use those 1::1 addresses that are outside /64 of gw, > but they're in config now for testing purpose. > > ndp -an output right now is: > root@eemeli:/home/pepe # ndp -an > Neighbor Linklayer Address Netif Expire S > Flags > 2001:14b8:1801::1 00:00:5e:00:02:0a em0 23h59m54s S R > 2001:14b8:1801::c001 00:0c:29:b2:57:43 em0 permanent R > fe81::ca01%em0 00:00:5e:00:02:0a em0 2h49m3s S > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Jon Radel wrote: > >> On 11/23/14, 5:14 AM, pepe wrote: >> >>> I also tried adding >>> aliases with /128 instead of /64, but it changed nothing. >>> With /128 it worked just the same way. >>> >> As one of the people mentioning /128s, I'd like to retract that >> suggestion; I've been reading the ipv6 related documentation given that I'm >> bringing up my first 10.1 box with ipv6.....and things have changed a bit >> since 8.4. >> >>> >>> Current rc.conf is: >>> ipv6_activate_all_interfaces="YES" >>> #ipv6_defaultrouter="2001:14b8:1801::1" >>> ipv6_defaultrouter="fe80::1%em0" >>> ifconfig_em0_ipv6="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c001 prefixlen 64" >>> ifconfig_em0_alias59="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::2 prefixlen 64" >>> ifconfig_em0_alias60="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c002 prefixlen 64" >>> ifconfig_em0_alias61="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::3 prefixlen 64" >>> ifconfig_em0_alias62="inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1:: prefixlen 64" >>> ifconfig_em0_alias63="inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1::1 prefixlen 64" >>> >>> Just making sure that you realize that if the ISP's equipment is >> addressed 2001:14b8:1801::1/64, it wouldn't necessarily do good things with >> your address 2001:14b8:1801:1::/64 unless it had a route to that network. >> But that's an aside and doesn't appear to be the root issue you're dealing >> with. >> >> >>> I'm starting to think it's problem on ISP side and not ours. But just to >>> sure - anyone have any ideas what more to try? >>> >>> >>> I read through this thread, and as far as I can tell, you've told us >> almost nothing useful about the topology of your network. Where does the >> cable from em0 go? Directly into the ISP's equipment? If so, what kind of >> equipment are we talking about? What type of media? I admit complete >> ignorance of the industry norms specific to Finland, but around these parts >> it makes a world of difference whether you're talking directly to a cable >> carrier's "modem" or a point-to-point circuit into a high-end router. >> >> What I would do, given what little I know about your topology: >> >> 1) Run "ndp -an" on your machine. All the addresses you expect to work >> should show up as permanent entries in this table. >> >> 2) You're not doing any firewalling are you? >> >> 3) If you don't run em0 into a switch, insert one (preferably one that >> does L3 and port mirroring, if you just happen to have access to one like >> that) between the server and your ISP. >> >> 4) Attach another ipv6 speaking machine to the switch. Can it ping >> all the addresses? Does its ndp table show the proper mac address for all >> the addresses? >> >> 5) Optional: mirror all the traffic on the switch port attached to the >> ISP the test machine you added and using tcpdump or wireshark or >> what-have-you look at the traffic between the ISP and your server. >> >> If the test machine in #4 reaches all the server addresses just fine even >> though the ISP doesn't, particularly if #5 shows the ISP never sending the >> traffic that should be going to the "non-functional" addresses, my leading >> suspicion would be that that the ISP's equipment has very, very limited >> capacity for a L2 address table, quite possibly as a matter of deliberate >> configuration, and after it learns about N neighbors, where N is a very >> small number, it simply ignores any additional addresses. Other than >> getting your ISP to do something about that, the only fix I can think of is >> to put a router (which is where a L3 switch would be handy) between your >> ISP and your server. Then, in theory, your ISP's equipment should have to >> deal with the only addresses on the outside of your router in L2 and >> everything else would be L3 routing. My big concern about that, however, >> is that the default address they've given you is actually in your /48, so >> it's unclear to me what the heck they're doing with the routing. So you >> probably have to talk to them in any case about what the outside interface >> of your router should be addressed as. >> >> --Jon Radel >> jon@radel.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > pepe > -- pepe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 13:43:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15F96A1E for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 13:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Mta03.sjc.surveymonkey.com (mta03.sjc.surveymonkey.com [75.98.93.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06E1B38 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 13:43:49 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=smo.surveymonkey.com; s=s1024; c=simple/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@smo.surveymonkey.com; t=1417009399; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=CT/DvDP15Lmvje9wuCbRHoCNM+I=; b=jybbEo8vSt17/aQWRpvmD9U3Vcy5t3j5PueJ8Cag5wz/Jd00A7j75vuVywfaNGPL kgNdgTXa34km2HNjjq0dTjIg7mtDJD29edEU1Pt3nNxIWGiMGuP7aY57j7Hfi00i z3fnan7a6n4y4TJCHFg+fBaeSW10lCkjtCjFdXYZeuY=; X-MSFBL: ZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmdAbXRhMDNAYWxsX210YXNAdWRw aXlUUGElMmZLSWhVaWhaREViOHp3JTNkJTNk Received: from [10.10.8.23] ([10.10.8.23:51098] helo=SJC-SVC01) by sjc-mta-02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.2.36399 r(ssh://hg@repos.int.messagesystems.com/MessageSystems/Platform:3.5.2.0)) with ESMTP id 8C/C0-01808-7F8D5745; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 05:43:19 -0800 monkey-id: udpiyTPa%2fKIhUihZDEb8zw%3d%3d Message-ID: <8C.C0.01808.7F8D5745@sjc-mta-02> From: "encuestas@wonderpanel.com via surveymonkey.com" Sender: survey-noreply@smo.surveymonkey.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: encuestas@wonderpanel.com Date: 26 Nov 2014 05:43:49 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmVzcG9uZMOpIGVzdGEgZW5jdWVzdGFzIHkgcGFydGljaXDDoSBlbiB1biBzb3J0ZW8gcG9yIDUgw7NyZGVuZXMgZGUgY29tcHJh?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 13:43:50 -0000 [logo.jpg] Hola! 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The 550SL appears to be in the NUT drivers list. "Cyber Power Systems" "ups" "1" "550SL" "" "genericups upstype=7" Not sure about the Tripp Lite models listed, I didn't see 350VA or 550VA in the list, but I am not as familiar with there models, so they may be compatible with other Trip Lite models listed. A quick check would be to install NUT on your server, and look through the /usr/local/etc/nut/driver.list file. It also contains comments, listing website information to get more information about the supported drivers. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 15:46:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96C99C0A for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51BDCA3C for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id j7so2101087qaq.29 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:46:12 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1B3Qrqe95Hl8f0fHDF2TADqytAsXmflf6GOPCqdnLH8=; b=TmjKzE6S9cqGrHZK6u4K55COXxC+fu3TTZSTsZ/nMp23aHDX/hvv6u4+iUMVCpE4LF EBDnE1SBQcEQRk7mXGJz/FScIM7PIfE2fuA5UV2OBidvK2Zym9K0tmuF6Fpyo2cNjBO+ GlleimWGGdfj4uGYGFcJPOpQlEulPfDIzPRt/YTrmXxZ+ockWeyQ/85mul7IEIWTc1d0 j1jQdLDhfH9KpqBWNHoNvsAlCHZcspX9PqzpjKZDnKvp7BwJysYBag7B0ReE+3WMMEqe Dm59nNGuvu3odrA8l6JXsJVS6Vke8oOX5WUV3y5if7HaZZfdywzJ0cyiwYBTI1GNz6X5 tFRw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQneWeQK8iEnZu+vyrb/DTD8CeWVIXPdxiMGgAxLB7ZN/iVftNIMnPsS6JoVg7auENf6Dyz4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.96.137 with SMTP id h9mr13168572qcn.22.1417016772316; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.85.179 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:46:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:46:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:46:19 -0000 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with > FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when power > goes out. > > Thank you all for the pointers I will look into NUT and the other references answered on this thread! Thanks again! Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 16:06:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E581CCF for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD76EC33 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9F333C22; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 1364B39830; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:05:49 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <5d80773c473bd34a195206ceab455b34@dweimer.net> Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:05:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5d80773c473bd34a195206ceab455b34@dweimer.net> (dweimer@dweimer.net's message of "Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:56:28 -0600") Message-ID: <447fyiaqw2.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:06:03 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 16:41:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 291E0B4E for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0059BFA1 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.41]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7173B33C1D; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 74FC439830; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:41:21 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <5d80773c473bd34a195206ceab455b34@dweimer.net> Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:41:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5d80773c473bd34a195206ceab455b34@dweimer.net> (dweimer@dweimer.net's message of "Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:56:28 -0600") Message-ID: <443895c3ta.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:41:29 -0000 dweimer writes: > On 11/25/2014 9:48 pm, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> - Tripp Lite ECO Series 350VA UPS >> - Tripp Lite ECO Series 550VA UPS > > Not sure about the Tripp Lite models listed, I didn't see 350VA or > 550VA in the list, but I am not as familiar with there models, so they > may be compatible with other Trip Lite models listed. A quick check > would be to install NUT on your server, and look through the > /usr/local/etc/nut/driver.list file. It also contains comments, > listing website information to get more information about the > supported drivers. Those don't look like they're actually Tripp Lite model numbers. They're just battery capacities. But the "ECO" series means they're almost certainly supported by the standard USB/HID protocols, so they should work. They may not support all functionality that the hardware can communicate, but enough to shut your hardware down safely and turn it on again when power returns. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 16:49:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A898BFF3 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x232.google.com (mail-vc0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D766129 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hq11so1432263vcb.23 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:49:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jfseyiKub6Ht6LfkKWcmOiqTc5LLv/Q8vfjnY1lT8Ok=; b=X60I6ajfKnpeCOpp7/uj1Xw9hOHg2tEA3Iqa9rUfxYDWjRxzVSXzX3Ar56i/p4XqYF nvs9SIzijDKmQ4qsHFIncElCAsWRedDdROLM2c/P7Jm3hBrr6kjYBM9fsT+kSUTEJ/Wg wBrFeZCIIqINDVGxmPdXK5ogpNwhSrj9tE0MCU296XfOdiVW/PXmo4Rs4S92bDhcLm7p PVgUD1T0YFU8eDvIxtJhzTTlnZXiGr6nMFi0eI/g1b3nCpDoekEIyhUQlIDJQgE+Cv5t 378XwfHURha8d28DP8DVHn6bT7nMVfC86zMaIbu3RgG8ph2tSQIASboBJ8xFLeHUrRMg NzVQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.178.134 with SMTP id bm6mr18101605vcb.56.1417020596413; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.137.17 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:49:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:49:56 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Reinstalling Windows from a corrupt FreeBSD install From: Mike Starr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:49:57 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mike Starr Date: Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Reinstalling Windows from a corrupt FreeBSD install To: lgfbsd I tried all the commands and they didn't work. I shall have to do some more reading. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Mike Starr wrote: > Thank you for your help so far. The gpart show command works, and it shows > the following partitions: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > *Geom name: ada0* > *Scheme: MBR* > *Providers:* > 1. > ada0s1 > 1.5G > type: !39 > > 2. > ada0s2 > 581G > ntfs (windows?) > > 3. > ada0s3 > 338G > ebr > > 4. > ada0s4 > 11G > FreeBSD > > *Consumers:* > 1. > ada0 > 932G (I'm guessing this is just the hdd) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > *Geom Name: ada0s3* > *Scheme: EBR* > *Providers:* > 1. > ada0s5 > 192G > ntfs > > *Consumers:* > 1. > ada0s3 > 338G > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > *Geom Name: ada0s4* > *Scheme: BSD* > *Providers:* > 1. > ada0s4a > 10G (I thought this was where I installed FreeBSD...) > FreeBSD-ufs > 2. > ada0s4b > 561M > FreeBSD-swap > > *Consumers:* > 1. > ada0s4 > 11G > no type, just a mode like all the other partitions (each partition has > a different mode) > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > So it looks like there are three Geoms: > > - ada0 (MBR) > - ada0s3 (EBR) > - adad0s4 (BSD) > > > In FreeBSD partitions are referred to as "slices". > A single Geom can have more than one slice on it. > > > I tried the boot0cfg -B -m 0xf command but it didn't work. But I see what > you're trying to do--not so change the BIOS (each slice or Geom has its > own?), but to change the boot manager (so you can choose which Geom to load > from). I don't know what the difference between a provider and a consumer > is. I'll poke around with the boot0cfg command a bit more and see what > happens. > > Correct me if I'm wrong at any stage, syntactically or semantically. > > And thank you so much for your help. > > Michael > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 16:50:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2889117 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x236.google.com (mail-vc0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 795A313B for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id hq12so1446107vcb.13 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:50:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=T8JS553Yp+whAsbJSHo9H/6BMvUbdzZo4dwUuKIsn7M=; b=zw9w+8dVkr+z8oP3gxKG1MwWoB5DnQ9vAq/8/IvgmXjbSgZ3CpQGK6jvp1qASKveDx f6KQfTV6nHYqUv2FvqWH6qHUcQe8t5uBupiI81zZVuJ0g9jCYvE6NX4ncf2qPqQI0Z0Z 4wwLTJLjRjQMHsApB9jdlHxyDsyZAdSsQPAPAiSwthjhdojSSHCtem+fJut5p/PahKDv GDvkvteM5Zz26KYXCtmZk/p8Tm9YvmfTg01uxKLtfw3O9NWJdZPRnPojVGKKkgDH5mym f+4duqLHzn+892XY1e0Oa34BqUJ61Q62Q7/iJXn9g/N7Gph5R1pe59ZQ9FF7Ul6y0j90 GVIw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.7.98 with SMTP id i2mr15632451vda.18.1417020649627; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.137.17 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:50:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:50:49 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: [Bug 195294] FreeBSD overwrote Windows BIOS From: Mike Starr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:50:50 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:58 AM Subject: [Bug 195294] FreeBSD overwrote Windows BIOS To: starrtennis@gmail.com https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195294 lgfbsd@be-well.ilk.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lgfbsd@be-well.ilk.org --- Comment #1 from lgfbsd@be-well.ilk.org --- The BIOS is not involved here; the bootloader is where the problem is coming from (if someone with the appropriate powers could change the subject, that would be helpful). This would have been easier to take care of on the technical support mailing list, because there isn't enough information in the report to figure out what has gone wrong here. The first step in looking at the problem will be to determine whether the disk is using an old-style "MBR" partitioning or a newer "GPT" partitioning. This can be determined from the gpart(8) command, "gpart show /dev/". The second step is to make sure that the Windows partition is still present. That should also be present in the output from "gpart show". Assuming that you have an MBR-partitioned disk, the third step is to reinstall the bootloader and configure it to show all partitions. See the FreeBSD Handbook section on bootloaders to be sure, but I think the command would be "boot0cfg -B -m 0xf". -- You are receiving this mail because: You reported the bug. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 17:05:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71ECA646 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from st11p05mm-asmtp002.mac.com (st11p05mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.172.108.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47164361 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [17.149.238.196] (unknown [17.149.238.196]) by st11p05mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.33.0 64bit (built Aug 27 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NFN00L7IM14AY80@st11p05mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:05:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-11-26_05:2014-11-26,2014-11-26,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1411260155 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_FreeBSD_10=2E1_-_Xt_error=3A_Can=C2=B4t_open_dis?= =?utf-8?Q?play_=3A0?= From: Charles Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:05:27 -0500 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <981C9574-7B68-4116-834F-D1DCF7766F64@mac.com> References: To: Luciano Rottava da Silva X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) Cc: FreeBSD - X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:05:55 -0000 Hi, Luciano-- > On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Luciano Rottava da Silva = wrote: >=20 > #cat /etc/hosts > ... > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.mydomain > 127.0.0.1 desktop desktop.rottava.home This part isn't right. You should have only one line per IP in = /etc/hosts; try using this: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.mydomain desktop desktop.rottava.home ...instead. Regards, --=20 -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 17:13:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44C34981 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6A6563F for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAQHCxGF052211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sAQHCwCt052205; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:12:58 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Alejandro Imass Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:12:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:13:02 -0000 On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Alejandro Imass wrote: > I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with > FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when power > goes out. > > Do any of these work with FreeBSD via USB? > > - CyberPower Standby CP425SLG UPS > - CyberPower Standby CP550SLG UPS > - Tripp Lite ECO Series 350VA UPS > - Tripp Lite ECO Series 550VA UPS > > Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at Staples or > Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut down the server > gracefully. sysutils/apcupsd has worked for me for years on various different APC units. That said, the black plastic APC units that look like an overgrown power strip are generally not the greatest. Come to that, cheap UPSs in general are usually not the greatest. Some will overcharge batteries, requiring replacement in two years or less. The apcupsd web site (http://www.apcupsd.org/) has some information, but does not appear to list supported model numbers. APC had used a proprietary unsupported protocol on the higher-end SMT models, but appears to have now included a supported protocol. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 17:26:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DCACE5C for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F9BA7E7 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAQHQpud055654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sAQHQpkg055651; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:26:51 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Mike Starr Subject: Re: Fwd: Reinstalling Windows from a corrupt FreeBSD install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:26:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:26:53 -0000 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Mike Starr wrote: >> *Geom name: ada0* >> *Scheme: MBR* >> *Providers:* >> 1. >> ada0s1 >> 1.5G >> type: !39 >> >> 2. >> ada0s2 >> 581G >> ntfs (windows?) >> >> 3. >> ada0s3 >> 338G >> ebr >> >> 4. >> ada0s4 >> 11G >> FreeBSD This is an MBR partitioning scheme. The first slice is probably a utility or recovery partition for Windows, and Windows is installed in the second slice. The third slice is an "extended" partition. There might be subpartitions inside it. Let's ignore that, it will not matter to FreeBSD. >> *Geom Name: ada0s4* >> *Scheme: BSD* >> *Providers:* >> 1. >> ada0s4a >> 10G (I thought this was where I installed FreeBSD...) >> FreeBSD-ufs >> 2. >> ada0s4b >> 561M >> FreeBSD-swap This is a normal FreeBSD install in the fourth slice. The slice is divided into a 10G data filesystem partition and a 561M swap partition. >> I tried the boot0cfg -B -m 0xf command but it didn't work. But I see what >> you're trying to do--not so change the BIOS (each slice or Geom has its >> own?), but to change the boot manager (so you can choose which Geom to load >> from). I don't know what the difference between a provider and a consumer >> is. I'll poke around with the boot0cfg command a bit more and see what >> happens. >From memory, it would just be 'boot0cfg -B ada0'. However, Windows users might find it using easier to use EasyBCD http://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/ (scroll to bottom, click Register, registration not required). Another option is just to install VirtualBox and install FreeBSD as a VM inside it. Besides making it possible to run multiple systems at the same time, it does not endanger the existing partition table or operating systems. 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Avoid anything under $750 that is a SIMULATED sine wave/ You need a REAL double conversion sine wave output. This assures clean power and will extend the life of your server and, especially, the PSU. Right now, I'm trying an inexpensive unit that has two servers, my cable modem, network switches, etc connected. However, I haven't tried to control it. (It requires an additional card for SNMP) Once I have SNMP, I can use my monitoring system to send a text and shut it down. *shrug* I would like to have a working UPS system that does that. :-) It does have both serial and USB. http://www.opti-ups.com/index.asp?SCID=SC12080131 I got the 2kVA unit with 1400 watts. (My servers only have a total of 20 disks and they run AMD processors, Gold PSUs, etc.) Make sure you take a quick power calculation to make sure that you have enough room to grow. Also, if you need more time, they have connectable battery packs. Also, each of them come with desk side and rack mount options. It has been working solid for over six months. P. On 11/26/2014 12:12, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Alejandro Imass wrote: > >> I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with >> FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when >> power >> goes out. >> >> Do any of these work with FreeBSD via USB? >> >> - CyberPower Standby CP425SLG UPS >> - CyberPower Standby CP550SLG UPS >> - Tripp Lite ECO Series 350VA UPS >> - Tripp Lite ECO Series 550VA UPS >> >> Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at Staples or >> Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut down the server >> gracefully. > > sysutils/apcupsd has worked for me for years on various different APC > units. That said, the black plastic APC units that look like an > overgrown power strip are generally not the greatest. Come to that, > cheap UPSs in general are usually not the greatest. Some will > overcharge batteries, requiring replacement in two years or less. > > The apcupsd web site (http://www.apcupsd.org/) has some information, > but does not appear to list supported model numbers. APC had used a > proprietary unsupported protocol on the higher-end SMT models, but > appears to have now included a supported protocol. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 18:30:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D138513A for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C225FE6E for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from allegro.localdomain (m208-249.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.208.249]) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAQIUheB062728 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:30:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.kupfer@acm.org) From: Mike Kupfer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: xdm questions X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.5; GNU Emacs 24.3.94 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:30:43 -0800 Message-ID: <16052.1417026643@allegro.localdomain> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:30:45 -0000 Hi, I'm a FreeBSD newbie but a reasonably experienced Solaris/Linux user. I recently installed FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE into a VirtualBox guest, upgraded to 10.1-RELEASE, and then installed xorg, xfce, and xdm using "pkg install". I've got a couple questions about my experiences. 1. I tried running xdm without setting ~/.xsession to run Xfce. Upon logging in, I expected to get a simple session with twm and/or an xterm. Instead, I got bounced back to the xdm login screen. The problem was that the Xsession script wanted to run xsm, but that package wasn't installed. Shouldn't the xdm package have a dependency on the xsm package? 2. I had to reboot single-user in order to troubleshoot and fix the xsm issue. I had expected to be able to use Alt+Fn to switch to a non-xdm-controlled virtual terminal, but Alt+F1 etc. have no effect when X is running. I have since reviewed the FAQ, and I now understand that with X running, I should have used Ctrl+Alt+F1, not Alt+F1. Unfortunately, Ctrl+Alt+F1 causes the VirtualBox *host* to switch to a different virtual terminal. Is it possible to configure FreeBSD to use a key combination other than Ctrl+Alt+Fn? freebsd-version: 10.1-RELEASE uname -a: FreeBSD ernie.localdomain 10.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274401: Tue Nov 11 21:02:49 UTC 2014 root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 FWIW, the host is running Debian7. thanks, mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 18:39:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDC18352 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x233.google.com (mail-pd0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A37FEF56 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id w10so3301929pde.38 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:39:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U6kuRYFQMYHgE87en+VPALBoTiI6bKe8wrVEjEeB6uk=; b=brDFQ6U7+u0D3eru9FP46M1AoHfgXBPutZin/WmyLUB21zyk7PsrsOZGUuon0wR7fs VuTHXXv1PsTHhhl+4S9KJQpj/LGk3CK27rYSDrC1nQW+tJ4BllkcQZKUCT7YwSvgmiC4 zWVn/PGUA8DzeTZo55XgTYvFNq1yDKALEh5RpkWgwzaMPZzK/hC5k/89r7e4c1ipwTTY FeKk6nyaFzHNZJfzxtwItG5aXLJwVdSHVTD55fCgle23DuB+wUfBpmsTl/ANjrDrsfHq ewDV+JDTTUAEShjpLw9FFPprmP2J9/7GKBoDP7qf9CbmbAKg51BfkTdNSrg9T3jvPmPd Q+fw== X-Received: by 10.66.155.2 with SMTP id vs2mr55555622pab.135.1417027146899; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (76-218-80-47.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [76.218.80.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c3sm4926922pbu.76.2014.11.26.10.39.06 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:39:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54761E49.60503@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:39:05 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xdm questions References: <16052.1417026643@allegro.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <16052.1417026643@allegro.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:39:07 -0000 On 11/26/2014 11:30 AM, Mike Kupfer wrote: > Hi, I'm a FreeBSD newbie but a reasonably experienced Solaris/Linux > user. I recently installed FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE into a VirtualBox > guest, upgraded to 10.1-RELEASE, and then installed xorg, xfce, and xdm > using "pkg install". I've got a couple questions about my experiences. > > 1. I tried running xdm without setting ~/.xsession to run Xfce. Upon > logging in, I expected to get a simple session with twm and/or an xterm. > Instead, I got bounced back to the xdm login screen. The problem was > that the Xsession script wanted to run xsm, but that package wasn't > installed. Shouldn't the xdm package have a dependency on the xsm > package? > > 2. I had to reboot single-user in order to troubleshoot and fix the xsm > issue. I had expected to be able to use Alt+Fn to switch to a > non-xdm-controlled virtual terminal, but Alt+F1 etc. have no effect when > X is running. I have since reviewed the FAQ, and I now understand that > with X running, I should have used Ctrl+Alt+F1, not Alt+F1. > Unfortunately, Ctrl+Alt+F1 causes the VirtualBox *host* to switch to a > different virtual terminal. Is it possible to configure FreeBSD to use > a key combination other than Ctrl+Alt+Fn? > > freebsd-version: 10.1-RELEASE > > uname -a: > FreeBSD ernie.localdomain 10.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274401: Tue Nov 11 21:02:49 UTC 2014 root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > FWIW, the host is running Debian7. > > thanks, > mike > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I suggest that you config the guest VM to use some other sequence different to Ctrl-Alt-Fn. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 18:43:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F27F40F for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x229.google.com (mail-vc0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D716F2F for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hy10so1547408vcb.28 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:42:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=php0yWQE6GSs9Xda9FYZyjKaFjur1GTmLr1IJnXvg2Y=; b=ndXhPPPpdETn36x4A/VEW6Ml/CuTLztry4yNzgajdzeSn8AUsMU6N06hUMxyo78vFD SwO5ATuibPvcbShxwhUlDmJrvy7lv+pjfm3Af+2o5/V6iRvaKPg4e6ED0BKY3jOGWVTf ejTCTEWDnwfGJczA3TmXOk9H1XdBuYZty3atCrhUxeQWE9a5/gyd7KH0J/kqPnM2sz5s WXE+oRG/nITMAdg5ATFPWbYLZ72WhmJcPXaCmemwP1oZwvB3398wABnMO2cIoNtfOVF5 eeIp34phrbKvQVjySzpg5gkiTJFvcKPY1nW0T7w0Qf3c/51LmVh1Lqngj9LswAtOdM7Q vxGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.181.1 with SMTP id bw1mr18642221vcb.66.1417027378891; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.137.17 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:42:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:42:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fwd: Reinstalling Windows from a corrupt FreeBSD install From: Mike Starr To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:43:00 -0000 In response to boot0cfg -B ada0 I got the error boot0cfg: Unable to get providername for ada0 How do you recommend transferring the EasyBCD thing to the FreeBSD laptop? Boot from a CD with the software burnt onto it? And for VirtualBox, that would be on the non-corrupt laptop I'm currently running off of, if I'm getting everything right here? On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Mike Starr wrote: > > *Geom name: ada0* >>> *Scheme: MBR* >>> *Providers:* >>> 1. >>> ada0s1 >>> 1.5G >>> type: !39 >>> >>> 2. >>> ada0s2 >>> 581G >>> ntfs (windows?) >>> >>> 3. >>> ada0s3 >>> 338G >>> ebr >>> >>> 4. >>> ada0s4 >>> 11G >>> FreeBSD >>> >> > This is an MBR partitioning scheme. The first slice is probably a utility > or recovery partition for Windows, and Windows is installed in the second > slice. > > The third slice is an "extended" partition. There might be subpartitions > inside it. Let's ignore that, it will not matter to FreeBSD. > > *Geom Name: ada0s4* >>> *Scheme: BSD* >>> *Providers:* >>> 1. >>> ada0s4a >>> 10G (I thought this was where I installed FreeBSD...) >>> FreeBSD-ufs >>> 2. >>> ada0s4b >>> 561M >>> FreeBSD-swap >>> >> > This is a normal FreeBSD install in the fourth slice. The slice is > divided into a 10G data filesystem partition and a 561M swap partition. > > I tried the boot0cfg -B -m 0xf command but it didn't work. But I see what >>> you're trying to do--not so change the BIOS (each slice or Geom has its >>> own?), but to change the boot manager (so you can choose which Geom to >>> load >>> from). I don't know what the difference between a provider and a >>> consumer >>> is. I'll poke around with the boot0cfg command a bit more and see what >>> happens. >>> >> > From memory, it would just be 'boot0cfg -B ada0'. > > However, Windows users might find it using easier to use EasyBCD > http://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/ (scroll to bottom, click Register, > registration not required). > > Another option is just to install VirtualBox and install FreeBSD as a VM > inside it. Besides making it possible to run multiple systems at the same > time, it does not endanger the existing partition table or operating > systems. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 18:49:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C089529 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F5FAA8 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 686553CE4F; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:49:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sAQInghQ005851; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:49:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:49:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Mike Kupfer Subject: Re: xdm questions Message-Id: <20141126194942.382a3c98.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <16052.1417026643@allegro.localdomain> References: <16052.1417026643@allegro.localdomain> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:49:52 -0000 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:30:43 -0800, Mike Kupfer wrote: > 1. I tried running xdm without setting ~/.xsession to run Xfce. Upon > logging in, I expected to get a simple session with twm and/or an xterm. No, because twm needs to be installed additionally, as it's not part of the xdm package. Furthermore, ~/.xsession needs to be set accordingly - I'm not sure the system's default xsession file will even call twm. > Instead, I got bounced back to the xdm login screen. The problem was > that the Xsession script wanted to run xsm, but that package wasn't > installed. Shouldn't the xdm package have a dependency on the xsm > package? Basically xsm isn't needed, it's neither a compile-time nor a run-time dependency. But if the configuration default relies on it, it might be at least justified to inform the user about that fact in the post-installation message text. > 2. I had to reboot single-user in order to troubleshoot and fix the xsm > issue. I had expected to be able to use Alt+Fn to switch to a > non-xdm-controlled virtual terminal, but Alt+F1 etc. have no effect when > X is running. I have since reviewed the FAQ, and I now understand that > with X running, I should have used Ctrl+Alt+F1, not Alt+F1. If I remember correctly, in new FreeBSD + vt + X, this also doesn't work anymore. :-( > Unfortunately, Ctrl+Alt+F1 causes the VirtualBox *host* to switch to a > different virtual terminal. Is it possible to configure FreeBSD to use > a key combination other than Ctrl+Alt+Fn? Probably yes, but you can also configure VirtualBox to accept and relay those keys "as is" to the emulated environment. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 19:42:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65479FAB for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 098278BB for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAQJgp0N088919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:42:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sAQJgo1h088916; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:42:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:42:50 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Mike Starr Subject: Re: Fwd: Reinstalling Windows from a corrupt FreeBSD install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:42:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:42:54 -0000 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Mike Starr wrote: > In response to boot0cfg -B ada0 I got the error > > boot0cfg: Unable to get providername for ada0 It might be necessary to use gpart: gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot0 ada0 > How do you recommend transferring the EasyBCD thing to the FreeBSD laptop? Boot from a CD with the software burnt onto it? > > And for VirtualBox, that would be on the non-corrupt laptop I'm currently running off of, if I'm getting everything right here? I've used the Plop boot manager to boot from other devices and think it it will handle multiple partitions. http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html Put that on a USB memory stick and boot from it. Boot into Windows and then try to find their well-hidden fixboot or fixmbr utilities. Or just install EasyBCD at that point. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 20:01:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4330A5F2 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219A3AC7 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from allegro.localdomain (m208-249.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.208.249]) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAQK1I58000388; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:01:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.kupfer@acm.org) From: Mike Kupfer To: Polytropon Subject: Re: xdm questions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:49:42 +0100." <20141126194942.382a3c98.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.5; GNU Emacs 24.3.94 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:01:18 -0800 Message-ID: <17096.1417032078@allegro.localdomain> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:01:23 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:30:43 -0800, Mike Kupfer wrote: > > 1. I tried running xdm without setting ~/.xsession to run Xfce. Upon > > logging in, I expected to get a simple session with twm and/or an xterm. > > No, because twm needs to be installed additionally, as > it's not part of the xdm package. Furthermore, ~/.xsession > needs to be set accordingly - I'm not sure the system's > default xsession file will even call twm. But I already had twm and xterm installed, apparently as a result of doing "pkg install xorg". After installing xorg and before installing xfce or xdm, I had started X using startx(1). That gave me a simple X session with twm and 3 xterm windows. It is surprising to me that I didn't get a similar default session after activating xdm. If the user really needs to create a .xsession file for xdm to be usable, it seems like this should be made more explicit in Section 6.7 of the Handbook. > > Unfortunately, Ctrl+Alt+F1 causes the VirtualBox *host* to switch to a > > different virtual terminal. Is it possible to configure FreeBSD to use > > a key combination other than Ctrl+Alt+Fn? > > Probably yes, but you can also configure VirtualBox to > accept and relay those keys "as is" to the emulated > environment. Hmm. I don't see how to do this in the GUI or in the VirtualBox user manual (4.1.18). A web search suggests that I could use the Guest Additions (GuestControl) to bind some other key, and have that key generate the Ctrl+Alt+Fn sequence. Is that what you're referring to? thanks, mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 20:04:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A86E6DF for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F57EAFF for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from allegro.localdomain (m208-249.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.208.249]) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAQK4CP2001491; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.kupfer@acm.org) From: Mike Kupfer To: jd1008 Subject: Re: xdm questions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:39:05 -0700." <54761E49.60503@gmail.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.5; GNU Emacs 24.3.94 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:04:12 -0800 Message-ID: <17112.1417032252@allegro.localdomain> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:04:13 -0000 jd1008 wrote: > On 11/26/2014 11:30 AM, Mike Kupfer wrote: > > Unfortunately, Ctrl+Alt+F1 causes the VirtualBox *host* to switch to a > > different virtual terminal. Is it possible to configure FreeBSD to use > > a key combination other than Ctrl+Alt+Fn? [...] > I suggest that you config the guest VM to use some other sequence > different to Ctrl-Alt-Fn. I'm not sure I understand. Are you suggesting a VirtualBox configuration change, or a FreeBSD configuration change? If you're suggesting a FreeBSD configuration change, I've poked through the Handbook and some man pages, but I can't tell where to make such a change. mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 21:08:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEF09C1F for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A823207 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-18-117.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.18.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AD8B3CEDB; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:08:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id sAQL8fqJ006140; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:08:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:08:41 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Mike Kupfer Subject: Re: xdm questions Message-Id: <20141126220841.f0d8024f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <17096.1417032078@allegro.localdomain> References: <20141126194942.382a3c98.freebsd@edvax.de> <17096.1417032078@allegro.localdomain> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:08:45 -0000 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:01:18 -0800, Mike Kupfer wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:30:43 -0800, Mike Kupfer wrote: > > > 1. I tried running xdm without setting ~/.xsession to run Xfce. Upon > > > logging in, I expected to get a simple session with twm and/or an xterm. > > > > No, because twm needs to be installed additionally, as > > it's not part of the xdm package. Furthermore, ~/.xsession > > needs to be set accordingly - I'm not sure the system's > > default xsession file will even call twm. > > But I already had twm and xterm installed, apparently as a result of > doing "pkg install xorg". I don't see it as a dependency in the (meta-)port's Makefile, but maybe one of the contained ports did install it. At least it's worth recognizing that twm is an individual package, not a part of X itself. > After installing xorg and before installing xfce or xdm, I had started X > using startx(1). That gave me a simple X session with twm and 3 xterm > windows. It is surprising to me that I didn't get a similar default > session after activating xdm. This is because startx reads the user's .xinitrc, and if none is found, the system's default xinitrc is being used. On the other hand, xdm reads .xsession similarly. Personally, I use the following "cascading" approach, so I just have to maintain _one_ file, no matter if I use startx or xdm. Furthermore it makes sure that your C shell settings (working for a login shell) will also be available in terminal sessions. My ~/.xsession: #!/bin/csh source ~/.cshrc exec ~/.xinitrc My ~/.xinitrc: #!/bin/sh [ -f ~/.xmodmaprc ] && xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc # ... lots of other stuff, "autostart", xset ... exec wmaker Note that the #!/bin/sh in that file is not required, but it doesn't hurt either. :-) > If the user really needs to create a .xsession file for xdm to be > usable, it seems like this should be made more explicit in Section 6.7 > of the Handbook. See table 6.1 here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-xdm.html > > > Unfortunately, Ctrl+Alt+F1 causes the VirtualBox *host* to switch to a > > > different virtual terminal. Is it possible to configure FreeBSD to use > > > a key combination other than Ctrl+Alt+Fn? > > > > Probably yes, but you can also configure VirtualBox to > > accept and relay those keys "as is" to the emulated > > environment. > > Hmm. I don't see how to do this in the GUI or in the VirtualBox user > manual (4.1.18). A web search suggests that I could use the Guest > Additions (GuestControl) to bind some other key, and have that key > generate the Ctrl+Alt+Fn sequence. Is that what you're referring to? That "key translation" sounds possible - a good way to avoid interference with the host's X. You just need to find a key combination that doesn't do anything to the X session of your Linux host. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 21:16:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E74BD1A3 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB1B32B for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3jnvpM3fvMzyM for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:08:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:08:27 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How much space does raidz2 'eat'? Message-ID: <54ACF708CD2ECEF5601D4B3B@[192.168.1.50]> In-Reply-To: <20141123232623.39d46c80@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> References: <20141123232623.39d46c80@falbala.rz1.convenimus.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:16:16 -0000 --As of November 23, 2014 11:26:23 PM +0100, Christian Baer is alleged to have said: > I just installed my first file server with zfs/zpool. Until now I only > ever used UFS. > > My pool consists of 7 HDDs of the type WDC WD40EFRX-68WT0N0. smart > tells me the user capacity is: 4,000,787,030,016 bytes. > > After creating a raidz2 pool, I get this: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused > Mounted on /dev/ufs/root 992M 491M 421M 54% 2.2k 129k > 2% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% 0 0 100% > /dev /dev/ufs/var 34G 1.1G 30G 4% 2.1k 4.7M 0% > /var /dev/ufs/usr 58G 6.0G 47G 11% 269k 7.6M 3% > /usr arc1 16T 192K 16T 0% 7 35G 0% > /arc1 > > Notes: ># 1 I did not use phyiscal drives but geli-providers. I want an > encrypted pool. ># 2 This pool is mainly for cold storage. I do not need extremely high > performance, but I'd rather optimize it for space. > > Now I know that while WD works with kB, FreeBSD works with KiB (factor > 1024). However, if I break this drive down to that and multiply that by > 5, I get 18.19TiB, while df gives me 16TiB. Sure, there is some > overhead and all, but certainly (hopefully) not 2 whole TiB! That would > be more than 10%. > > Is this normal or am I missing something? --As for the rest, it is mine. RAIDZ2 has the same space efficiency as RAID6, which is 1-2/n, where 'n' is the number of drives in the array. Which means for your array of 7 drives, you should expect to see ~71% of the drive space as 'usable'. In other words, you should expect 31% of your drives to be used for overhead. ;) This is a tradeoff you've made - that 'lost' space means that you can lose two drives and still recover your data. If you wanted to just stripe the drives together you could do that under ZFS, but if you lost a drive you'd lose all the data on that drive. Turning on compression can regain some of that, depending on what you are storing, and won't cost you any space. (It might not even cost you any speed, depending on your situation - it can be enough faster to do the I/O with compressed data that you recover the time from the compression.) But as Matthew said, you should use the zpool and zfs commands to look at the size of things in your zpool - ZFS starts getting into 'actual size' vs 'apparent size' in a lot of situations, and the ZFS commands can list both and show you better what is going on, where the standard unix tools basically have to work with 'apparent size', which can vary depending on what you are doing. (If you've got stuff like rolling snapshots happening, it can vary based on the time of the day!) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 21:24:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC6BB45A for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x233.google.com (mail-lb0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B2625F3 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id z11so3101424lbi.24 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 13:23:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VHMizPACeYyFmZoDiaX2Jhw3zOzf77r+NYttc6h4tcc=; b=BWxzeVcl6Gm2MUQhQ1QAbPN8D5eOKyGtHiz+0w+h3xxEYZqFBWnEyrihsoAs9gwzCV x1DxHIcgXtEShpNpcpaVrylx45dgdkmHjyMJmgTnxrWL8QUS385B+59LJRSvPIQtbVWQ Wx096NJanJKXXx6Jw87dyIM5vntqwwbdlf8nnSv8vwM3PWA8ee9e6cDrMsk2iBSpGxzT dUQLHiMxtvD/G6KRF9rcKf2RKMauV7yKjaMkyyhsKq2lEU38YUvNAmeCnAZCtPOe+aVY /JAUus/nPRmpAg3AAz4r0Chb3/CGE1CdtQvScmcxvGlrnKabIYcgVGJlzJWTgYrZpVqV xuCg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.8.69 with SMTP id p5mr14990383lba.97.1417037039296; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 13:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.168.136 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 13:23:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <981C9574-7B68-4116-834F-D1DCF7766F64@mac.com> References: <981C9574-7B68-4116-834F-D1DCF7766F64@mac.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:23:59 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_FreeBSD_10=2E1_=2D_Xt_error=3A_Can=C2=B4t_open_display_=3A0?= From: Luciano Rottava da Silva To: Charles Swiger , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:24:01 -0000 Hello Charles, Yes, I realized that after some time. I've replaced the second 127* by the real IP address, 192.168.1.10, removed $DISPLAY env var from my dot files and just fired olvwm from .xinitrc with "-display :0.0" option. Sorted. (-: Thanks a lot, Luciano. On 26 November 2014 at 14:05, Charles Swiger wrote: > Hi, Luciano-- > > > On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Luciano Rottava da Silva > wrote: > > > > #cat /etc/hosts > > ... > > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.mydomain > > 127.0.0.1 desktop desktop.rottava.home > > This part isn't right. You should have only one line per IP in > /etc/hosts; try using this: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.mydomain desktop desktop.rottava.home > > ...instead. > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 22:50:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8798AAD for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7855FE28 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAQMo0Ab034768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:50:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sAQMo0hi034765; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:50:00 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Mike Kupfer Subject: Re: xdm questions In-Reply-To: <17096.1417032078@allegro.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <17096.1417032078@allegro.localdomain> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:50:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:50:10 -0000 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Mike Kupfer wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > >>> Unfortunately, Ctrl+Alt+F1 causes the VirtualBox *host* to switch to a >>> different virtual terminal. Is it possible to configure FreeBSD to use >>> a key combination other than Ctrl+Alt+Fn? >> >> Probably yes, but you can also configure VirtualBox to >> accept and relay those keys "as is" to the emulated >> environment. > > Hmm. I don't see how to do this in the GUI or in the VirtualBox user > manual (4.1.18). A web search suggests that I could use the Guest > Additions (GuestControl) to bind some other key, and have that key > generate the Ctrl+Alt+Fn sequence. Is that what you're referring to? For what it's worth, Host+F1 generates Ctrl+Alt+F1. By default, the Host key is the right Ctrl key. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 26 23:30:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 584F1DEC for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:30:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33FA2E3 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([81.106.150.188]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id LPVr1p02h4481jl01PVrvz; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:29:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [81.106.150.188] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=dY0O3Bne c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=DGj713NdaxKrsjjgQne7PA==:117 a=DGj713NdaxKrsjjgQne7PA==:17 a=J0QyKEt1u0cA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=5y4faFyK3SkA:10 a=K2DKlaXeoK9zJX04_j4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 8A29F88615; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:29:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:29:51 +0000 From: Ken Moffat To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Xorg mouse running 10.1 as a qemu guest on linux. Message-ID: <20141126232951.GB3249@milliways> References: <20141124061140.GB12294@milliways> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20141124061140.GB12294@milliways> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:30:00 -0000 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 06:11:40AM +0000, Ken Moffat wrote: > > 1. Is there any secret to getting a mouse working in 10.1 in Xorg > under qemu ? I've tried various things, including building vmmouse > and adding appropriate xorg.conf lines to force that, but it made no > difference. > Turns out to be a "from-linux" issue. On linux I invoke qemu with '-usb -usbdevice tablet' to stop it grabbing the mouse. On FreeBSD I needed to remove those. ĸen -- Nanny Ogg usually went to bed early. After all, she was an old lady. Sometimes she went to bed as early as 6 a.m. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 00:01:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6596A81F for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 00:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD0288E for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 00:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from allegro.localdomain (m208-249.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.208.249]) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAR01MmK001603; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:01:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.kupfer@acm.org) From: Mike Kupfer To: Warren Block Subject: Re: xdm questions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:50:00 -0700." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.5; GNU Emacs 24.3.94 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:01:20 -0800 Message-ID: <20244.1417046480@allegro.localdomain> Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 00:01:27 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > For what it's worth, Host+F1 generates Ctrl+Alt+F1. By default, the > Host key is the right Ctrl key. Aha! Yes, that works. Thanks! mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 01:12:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE4B26DF for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x231.google.com (mail-lb0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E855F02 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 10so3266012lbg.8 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:12:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cr9qv+KyNPj5ZCqYmgVNEFNuDNeJhP91Ey2Mjtm9Knc=; b=KAo/YFJ0qTAWI4fdfcsQOIEzF684NQob6CLQBQhObEFZyJJCPxWe8R2w90GDd6qavq nn6sUmPMG/fvgWWvau3LRk55FD3ZiCO7HJRW6VEce2S37faneEBlhqp+nFdZ00nRx3JK zYZpjPpY2bAYUZBB90wE8nUxxBD9aI2YjDh9JqWmn/W+/eHvsECTUPsv4EEuj8DH5tUZ TAERkv6jxet8ISrQA4nmym0RxC1ZbUD4PoY4kqc0fadPOxIrUW2W9UDok2VAu8+CIQMz B63iZTxLJq1OekCd8idc92oDfZRbDasqB1NGJTWcrFbdhFtkYyYfzegnPdgBPotd2XWw Ohxg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.8.69 with SMTP id p5mr15624567lba.97.1417050766756; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.168.136 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:12:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <546E5D2D.6010603@gmail.com> <54700218.8090300@bananmonarki.se> <54708578.5070401@bananmonarki.se> <54708DC4.8070209@bananmonarki.se> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:12:46 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: olvwm on amd64 From: Luciano Rottava da Silva To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:12:50 -0000 Hello, Just to let you know and for the records, I've managed to run olvwm in FreeBSD 10.1 amd64. Since copying files from a i386 Linux machine was not working out, I've decided to compile all packages. So I did the following: 1. Setup a jail running a fresh FBSD 10.1 i386. 2. Started building ports for xview* and all packages I was interested to. 3. Moved files from jail to my amd64 machine. After adjusting some env vars, I had the pleasure to run this beautiful and light wm which brings me very good memories from the 90's when I used to spend some nights in front of Sparc stations. Now I have an almost 100% funcional working environment. I am missing only one thing, a xview-based file manager too. Tried to compile xvfilemgr but was not successfull. Question, is there anybody out there also still using ol(v)wm? If so, could you please share with me the binary for xvfilemgr? And for last, cmdtool and shelltool were built from ports correctly but are not working. Everytime I try to exec them, they complain about "pty's". [luciano@desktop ~/app32/bin]$ ./shelltool All pty's in use XView error: NULL pointer passed to xv_set I guess this version from ports was patched to fix this error, but it seems it is not. Best Regards, Luciano. On 23 November 2014 at 00:21, Luciano Rottava da Silva wrote: > Someone could please explain what is going on? I am afraid I have no more > ideas. > > ### binary olvwm from latest i386 FreeBSD package, downloaded and expanded > in a temp dir: > > root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # file olvwm > olvwm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), > dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 9.1, stripped > > ### checking shared libs dependency: > > root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ldd olvwm > olvwm: > libXpm.so.4 => not found (0) > libolgx.so.3 => /usr/lib32/libolgx.so.3 (0x280ad000) > libXext.so.6 => not found (0) > libX11.so.6 => not found (0) > libm.so.5 => /usr/lib32/libm.so.5 (0x280bb000) > libc.so.7 => /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x280e4000) > > ### checking if missing libs are known by the system: > > root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ldconfig -32 -r | head -2 > /var/run/ld-elf32.so.hints: > search directories: /usr/lib32:/usr/local/lib32/compat > > ### double checking (the same result for all missing libs): > > root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # file /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4 > /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel > 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, not stripped > > ### RPATH says what? > root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # readelf -d olvwm > > Dynamic section at offset 0x44014 contains 26 entries: > Tag Type Name/Value > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXpm.so.4] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libolgx.so.3] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXext.so.6] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libX11.so.6] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.5] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.7] > 0x0000000f (RPATH) Library rpath: [/usr/local/lib] > > ### trying to change RPATH with below setenv > > root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # cat /root/.cshrc | grep LIBRARY > setenv LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib32/compat:/usr/lib32 > > ### no success. )-: > > root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ./olvwm > /usr/local/lib/libXpm.so.4: unsupported file layout > > > What can I do? > > Thanks in advance, > Luciano. > > > On 22 November 2014 at 13:34, Luciano Rottava da Silva > wrote: > >> No chaps, I am not trying to compile xview or olvwm. I am just trying to >> run them - the FreeBSD 32-bit version - on my amd64. >> >> So I downloaded the binary packages, xview* and olvwm from ftp server. >> >> Then untar and now trying to put the 32-bit version of the shared >> libraries in the right paths in order to run olvwm. >> >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # readelf -d olvwm >> >> Dynamic section at offset 0x44014 contains 26 entries: >> Tag Type Name/Value >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXpm.so.4] >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libolgx.so.3] >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXext.so.6] >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libX11.so.6] >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.5] >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.7] >> 0x0000000f (RPATH) Library rpath: [/usr/local/lib] >> >> Like I said, problem seems to be related to library path. Readelf output >> shows that, RPATH var env. >> >> Searching mailing list archive I found this, which is exactly my problem: >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-May/067787.html >> >> Question is; how make RPATH search for 32-bit version of libX11, libXext >> and libXpm? >> >> My .cshrc has a setenv LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib32/compat, but >> that did not help. >> >> More ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> Luciano. >> >> >> On 22 November 2014 at 11:21, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> >>> On 2014-11-22 13:45, Bernt Hansson wrote: >>> >>>> Xview is broken. >>>> >>>> On 2014-11-22 07:45, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hm! Well, that doesn't look like it's a problem with a 64 bit system >>>>> in particular - see where that .tmpl file is supposed to be? >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> :/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/xview # make >>> ===> xview-3.2.1.4.19c_1 depends on executable: mkfontdir - found >>> ===> xview-3.2.1.4.19c_1 depends on executable: mkfontscale - found >>> ^[ (escape) menu ^y search prompt ^k delete line ^p prev li ^g >>> prev page >>> make -f Imakefile >>> "Imakefile", line 3: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 4: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 5: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 9: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 10: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 11: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 20: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 21: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 38: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 39: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 42: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 43: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 44: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 45: Missing dependency operator >>> "Imakefile", line 46: Missing dependency operator >>> "Imakefile", line 47: Missing dependency operator >>> "Imakefile", line 48: Missing dependency operator >>> "Imakefile", line 49: Missing dependency operator >>> "Imakefile", line 50: Missing dependency operator >>> "Imakefile", line 53: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 54: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 63: Missing dependency operator >>> "Imakefile", line 101: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 102: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 103: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 143: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 144: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 145: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 165: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 166: Need an operator >>> "Imakefile", line 167: Need an operator >>> make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue >>> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 01:36:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 686FC8A2 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160D4111 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141127010221.JUAV12328.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:02:21 -0500 Received: from macbook.local.popelka.us ([72.205.45.227]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id LR2M1p0084u5WUQ01R2M4W; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:02:21 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.5476781D.01CD,ss=1,re=0.001,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=H/cFNZki c=1 sm=1 a=KPoI11KysOGbLPnGgDkkuA==:17 a=9m6O-4QWAOYA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=j4nzMFrpAAAA:8 a=SsCeNxViifPCjCMICokA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KPoI11KysOGbLPnGgDkkuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=arickp@cox.net Message-ID: <5476781D.2060904@cox.net> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:02:21 -0500 From: Eric Popelka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: My ipfilter rules are overreaching... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:36:35 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hello BSD friends, I've enabled ipfilter by adding the following to my /etc/rc.conf: ipfilter_enable="YES" # load ipfilter kernel module ipfilter_rules="/etc/ipf.rules" # my rules file ipmon_enable="YES" # try to keep out hax0rs ipmon_flags="-Ds" # run as a daemon, save using syslogd My rules file (/etc/ipf.rules) reads as follows (not verbatim, trying to just get to the facts): # No restrictions on loopback (lo0) pass in quick on lo0 all pass out quick on l0 all # Allow outbound traffic pass out quick on xn0 all keep state ### SNIP: 6 'pass in' rules to enable DHCP, NTP, ICMP ### # Allow in the whole subnet assigned to my cable modem # (hack, eventually want to just allow access to certain ports) pass in log first on xn0 from 72.205.44.0/23 to any # Keep out hax0rs block in log first quick on xn0 all Unfortunately, this is keeping me out from ssh'ing in to my server. I get the following message in /var/log/messages: ipmon: xn0 @0:8 b 72.205.45.###,40455 -> 104.128.###.###,22 PR tcp len 20 64 -S IN (### = actual numbers <= 255, obviously) I'm stumped. I triple-checked that the IP address from which I'm connecting is in the subnet that I specified in my 'pass in' rule. Am I not writing my rules in the correct order? Output from uname: FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE #0 r260789: Thu Jan 16 22:34:59 UTC 2014 I ran 'pkg update' and 'pkg upgrade'. Thanks. - -- Eric Popelka arickp@cox.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUdngdAAoJEBQPax3MeNrT5mgQANHp72lyQ1ty88p8rdyNeeV2 ye2jaYrkQVzfqLs0AAUVgpaHpX6GcWCqJElIt82rG/1jIZBIkAeWDaG5UpbT13Xf +V97OgTwZ24fk9i//mTQWakbuQ+Mkfg1P9ecJn3KBTq+HuI14P7g0+33Z1FtCnT6 I+ALNq65vwemat4qJ7IroiDaf3MQWO+7vBFL2ocp3qqB7M/WmPuImHo3z0rd4ihl q5XSD/QuIAGkX/xa1f35VZ7errA0o6RTXnOWJi/uheE1SClXhfXQvfXycw4sp0KL fjaO9mgk84yl9y407X2iWQWzJ8wTiWPkBUlEKdC1L0yCYPTQ0IVsuDSOXK2zATn1 RYlJWvSAes+Hgq2oVBr8ChUVLs6OQiktUNQKGqZxYA/5VQ95dFL2DNy0l2iteywx be5dvQaKN203XyFYujoV6Z49I56OzDXdpdXKRfUDzNhnf8jiBDUhLRCHyXUqMLv2 AZjuzktld3ePwtVaZnREOzDjSqdpejx4Vtgtr/3Ij94Y5LLPS73DYP4+e9l25Qp2 SWuSyZBQZ9DcWIA0UEU6v8tr5Sx02yfaBjWx4CXcK+svM5gk4ife9Cd4v4Pgmc8U uakqaikyYdQRwHQp7up2vkG5q5ozdAPCoL7Vn/07Tf1sgAyMQ+PU6cIzfqQFY+NJ g6wrE+wIQWPsu6XDzCwU =z21E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 02:58:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D0CA6FB for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90F74AA1 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:58:32 +0000 (UTC) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.16.8 (ClamAV engine v0.97.8) Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:788d:df66:ad21:a7e5] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 470531; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:58:24 +0000 Message-ID: <54769313.7020304@radel.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:57:23 -0500 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Popelka , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My ipfilter rules are overreaching... References: <5476781D.2060904@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5476781D.2060904@cox.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020705060407030303050009" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:58:34 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020705060407030303050009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/26/14, 8:02 PM, Eric Popelka wrote: > ### SNIP: 6 'pass in' rules to enable DHCP, NTP, ICMP ### > > # Allow in the whole subnet assigned to my cable modem > # (hack, eventually want to just allow access to certain ports) > pass in log first on xn0 from 72.205.44.0/23 to any > > # Keep out hax0rs > block in log first quick on xn0 all > > from man 5 ipf: First match vs last match To change the default behaviour from being the last=20 matched rule decides the outcome to being the first matched rule, the word=20 "quick" is inserted to the rule. Sooo...if I read your rule snippet correctly, you're asking ipf to=20 consider allowing traffic in from 72.205.44.0/23, pending finding a=20 later rule that overrides that pass, so it continues along until it hits = a block statement that not only applies but has a "quick" to boot. I=20 certainly wouldn't expect that pass rule to ever do anything. What happens if you put a "quick" in the pass? Or move the block to the = very top of the file without the "quick"? --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms020705060407030303050009 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIILBDCC BRowggQCoAMCAQICEG0Z6qcZT2ozIuYiMnqqcd4wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwga4xCzAJBgNV BAYTAlVTMQswCQYDVQQIEwJVVDEXMBUGA1UEBxMOU2FsdCBMYWtlIENpdHkxHjAcBgNVBAoT FVRoZSBVU0VSVFJVU1QgTmV0d29yazEhMB8GA1UECxMYaHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2VydHJ1c3Qu Y29tMTYwNAYDVQQDEy1VVE4tVVNFUkZpcnN0LUNsaWVudCBBdXRoZW50aWNhdGlvbiBhbmQg RW1haWwwHhcNMTEwNDI4MDAwMDAwWhcNMjAwNTMwMTA0ODM4WjCBkzELMAkGA1UEBhMCR0Ix GzAZBgNVBAgTEkdyZWF0ZXIgTWFuY2hlc3RlcjEQMA4GA1UEBxMHU2FsZm9yZDEaMBgGA1UE ChMRQ09NT0RPIENBIExpbWl0ZWQxOTA3BgNVBAMTMENPTU9ETyBDbGllbnQgQXV0aGVudGlj YXRpb24gYW5kIFNlY3VyZSBFbWFpbCBDQTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoC 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F05FFB15 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 03:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF38D81 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 03:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141127031949.RIBC27051.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:19:49 -0500 Received: from macbook.local.popelka.us ([72.205.45.227]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id LTKo1p00A4u5WUQ01TKoc0; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:19:48 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.54769854.016F,ss=1,re=0.001,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=aZC/a2Ut c=1 sm=1 a=KPoI11KysOGbLPnGgDkkuA==:17 a=9m6O-4QWAOYA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=-5WMeQcgAAAA:8 a=j4nzMFrpAAAA:8 a=UYKJNZ1RH8OJNxyx9u0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=KPoI11KysOGbLPnGgDkkuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=arickp@cox.net Message-ID: <54769854.5030403@cox.net> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:19:48 -0500 From: Eric Popelka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My ipfilter rules are overreaching... References: <5476781D.2060904@cox.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 03:19:56 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Ahhh! Silly me a) didn't realize that he was reading the man page for ipf(8), not ipf(5) b) thought 'quick' meant "Quickly log this." Removing 'quick' from the last 'block in' clause, then adding 'quick' to my ISP subnet "pass in" gives me the behavior I want. I didn't move the lines around. Thanks! - -Eric On 11/26/14 9:57 PM, Jon Radel wrote: > On 11/26/14, 8:02 PM, Eric Popelka wrote: >> ### SNIP: 6 'pass in' rules to enable DHCP, NTP, ICMP ### >> >> # Allow in the whole subnet assigned to my cable modem # (hack, >> eventually want to just allow access to certain ports) pass in >> log first on xn0 from 72.205.44.0/23 to any >> >> # Keep out hax0rs block in log first quick on xn0 all >> >> > from man 5 ipf: > > First match vs last match To change the default behaviour from > being the last matched rule decides the outcome to being the > first matched rule, the word "quick" is inserted to the rule. > > > > Sooo...if I read your rule snippet correctly, you're asking ipf to > consider allowing traffic in from 72.205.44.0/23, pending finding > a later rule that overrides that pass, so it continues along until > it hits a block statement that not only applies but has a "quick" > to boot. I certainly wouldn't expect that pass rule to ever do > anything. > > What happens if you put a "quick" in the pass? Or move the block > to the very top of the file without the "quick"? > > --Jon Radel jon@radel.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUdphUAAoJEBQPax3MeNrTH8AQAMfXuvIMWMrEqsZ0aDAF1m2g QSXs/wND7arvRs9E7XMQWrbplgA43humiEBX3VPRGY8oNPByQTVdpQM5rM3i5rNB kZj//kNgZ6+7z74AYzPWvHWXikDeWB3SCho9gv19qTo5xA3rU2EmGICmA8pE3cKP KgzsEd5GKgOR4p5Pt0iECzS0FUuZbn1jtY6WqhoW/K8r+sgV2m0PmmWz+8L7gVtU 5CjQ/vTpmFDSBhDHhv+5v5rXBQoT6nLGkk+RPRhejyp+3mYtHem5WrxVtySZCpic xX3OJP5x0qLAzbwemnYzXCU70HwZyJZ9RpW+IC0tyLoc8xDBF2gVvLVqFCdiXAgg klWuWyp08HM9ZhDsYQpZSNt9h9K6+bedYOKoI8t2ZQLChWui0HLgMcl1CTw1Nb99 R5u8rofWiFYYOhYm7PklXHd2OY7Rr3+4JwelfWZoemxlQnb12Z6LjbxRbwqXMBq6 dP0XlE+s+ZLFzLKKzTg1+7SW6IXTOKiConAD4UQ9NQgyU/UL+jDNCaWSGvkRy6QG ML6RoA1Y8Gq8N0cFuZUrsRhgWeFS7Xn+PwwgDkXqGCDODolYvOPZEFoOhkfQEpqU B+TwxW2t82jzbgG2onI1NBYmOCq/j+k2IA8aGJuPb3Q585zxQ+litb1qSwf6vCvv R3QFm9PenbAiRwu9HFNM =xXqZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 06:05:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48E87393; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 06:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 052EFE7A; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 06:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.104.27.23] (helo=unixarea.DDR.dd) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XtsCY-00037D-Kl; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:05:14 +0100 Received: from unixarea.DDR.dd (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3) with ESMTP id sAR65CP9001744; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:05:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3/Submit) id sAR65Alf001743; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:05:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: unixarea.DDR.dd: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:05:10 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Joe Marcus Clarke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: problem compiling pidgin 2.10.10 Message-ID: <20141127060509.GA1728@unixarea.DDR.dd> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Joe Marcus Clarke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20141124194742.GA1968@unixarea.DDR.dd> <5474A296.6050700@freebsd.org> <20141125185640.GA1732@unixarea.DDR.dd> <5474D93C.6070000@freebsd.org> <20141126065831.GA1644@unixarea.DDR.dd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20141126065831.GA1644@unixarea.DDR.dd> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r269739 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.104.27.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 06:05:18 -0000 El día Wednesday, November 26, 2014 a las 07:58:31AM +0100, Matthias Apitz escribió: > > But does the net-im/finch port build? I imagine it won't with ncurses > > from ports if this is an issue. > > On 10-ALPHA4 (rev. r255948) the build of net-im/finch fails with the same > problem with the lib libtinfow.so.9 provided by the port (or pkg) ncurses-5.9_3. > > I will check my 11-CURRENT too this evening. In my VM where I compile all my ports with poudriere on head and ports from October, 21 net-im/finch builds fine. HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg ziehen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 06:15:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66C454A9 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 06:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x22f.google.com (mail-vc0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19060F4E for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 06:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hy10so1903835vcb.6 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:15:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=a6hjExahUaumGRj+YhVdYuDYjaRNDph1q/QHFd8pMbg=; b=O1d3ZJ/OilcSBqMlZNmifjnwvXMOslZ/GPNU1VF+Vdnv8rU2V4m/5yVeves2Smoo3n lEgD3IQ7wDv/trU6i8vwbsk5QN6n5pTtAPl8vNFiqosX5vJTk/xr5KLd8kZFIPCxFNOo iHqTAm2KQ2K/D6qTnGzka/gVRsavP32nZHGhjPQLY67o0vItv57bxOSL1iB6SKZR+lUX HVrGdX3L/O+iDNE3jnwKB0NmGv/ArWXTV1ncysVCVONW4wNC71bXSRqWP7iakJkkGi2i Xqdc330U9FNV5n5i/7Y36TyrfEnql5S9lC8IgPx3lmQOLfCn8hYG5vg/m/7vIhpcMn9X zPZA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.74.9 with SMTP id s9mr10599166vcj.74.1417068914246; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.137.17 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:15:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:15:14 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fwd: Reinstalling Windows from a corrupt FreeBSD install From: Mike Starr To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 06:15:15 -0000 The command gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot0 ada0 worked. I now have access, through a very minimalist boot manager, to all my partitions. Thank you! Micael On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Mike Starr wrote: > > In response to boot0cfg -B ada0 I got the error >> >> boot0cfg: Unable to get providername for ada0 >> > > It might be necessary to use gpart: > gpart bootcode -b /boot/boot0 ada0 > > How do you recommend transferring the EasyBCD thing to the FreeBSD >> laptop? Boot from a CD with the software burnt onto it? >> >> And for VirtualBox, that would be on the non-corrupt laptop I'm currently >> running off of, if I'm getting everything right here? >> > > I've used the Plop boot manager to boot from other devices and think it > it will handle multiple partitions. > http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html > > Put that on a USB memory stick and boot from it. Boot into Windows and > then try to find their well-hidden fixboot or fixmbr utilities. Or just > install EasyBCD at that point. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 06:17:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96F5F545 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 06:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x235.google.com (mail-lb0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17158F66 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 06:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 10so3577237lbg.26 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:17:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1Ny1lv189wNuT7pBhJnxYYV1w4tXwg2Qr0rJO9UlEZU=; b=y5fNL4BauN8Yq/enm5eZ4+T43lwK7noxrAMxpi9irxiMh6y659c1ZQE5DL7VRZ2kZi Q2fibFDFAb+9uE12zkTdHRsRAZrbe/8eRfvE28/Gh6mHehOyUpbG8s58aUCBWRZdmyd1 lu9BIk/dL83GuVM6HXUs1FAxJyJUu6K1o+kxT5xTlWgNSZteaWVnb+5ZT+10P2ywuqtH WYh0+n+gxa/9LS+KAwmnPAEcnqnWiyNkxwTNp6R2tKqYjdpEKRnUYUSAzwSrjiyb64C/ s6Ag16RMFlxEKSM5t1a6k7bNQlFjdhBKPshYh67xUuirUa0Yty6Bc/pgenKpyPSR7vmR YLBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.153.11.133 with SMTP id ei5mr37651753lad.75.1417069047150; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.215.212 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:17:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141126232951.GB3249@milliways> References: <20141124061140.GB12294@milliways> <20141126232951.GB3249@milliways> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:17:27 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: No Xorg mouse running 10.1 as a qemu guest on linux. From: Waitman Gobble To: Ken Moffat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 06:17:29 -0000 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Ken Moffat wrote= : > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 06:11:40AM +0000, Ken Moffat wrote: > > > > 1. Is there any secret to getting a mouse working in 10.1 in Xorg > > under qemu ? I've tried various things, including building vmmouse > > and adding appropriate xorg.conf lines to force that, but it made no > > difference. > > > > Turns out to be a "from-linux" issue. On linux I invoke qemu with > '-usb -usbdevice tablet' to stop it grabbing the mouse. On FreeBSD > I needed to remove those. > > =C4=B8en > -- > Nanny Ogg usually went to bed early. After all, she was an old lady. > Sometimes she went to bed as early as 6 a.m. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Ken, bash is in ports, since you've installed from ports that's where it got pulled into the system. Software included with FreeBSD will be in /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, etc. Other software (ports) is in /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin, etc. unless the user desires to install it elsewhere. This is different from the LFS way. One feature of this configuration is the ability to 'swap' application configurations without disturbing the underlying system. startx is part of xinit, in /usr/ports/x11/xinit. xinit is not necessarily a requirement. Handbook: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x11-wm.html wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinit Essentially I think it's kind of like this: Program A uses Program B, so if I install program B i should automatically also get program A.. And that is not true. There is some GPL licensed code in the FreeBSD system, for example groff, and gdb. If you are curious, one way to better understand the licensing in a FreeBSD system is to read the LICENSE, COPYING, and source code files in /usr/src. I think it paints a picture of the history. --=20 Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 510-830-7975 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 07:06:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B717B15 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E746B5F5 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:06:13 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=bsdjunk; d=bsdjunk.com; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; b=P2TtEuAz5ZS1M/gbe8ByaxmMHNCdz1E4Q3MQ4cSz14fJgfXVpSh9Wfc8zqdH3Ip3WfzIY1Qq9+M6 IEL7eGOuTjDhGarHWU05dCZI8wdUWadOHLf4XGyJqvnEE4m8VfEZaJPd9IXkaDfzkrASmYoQuK7I 6L7k2ocOq3ssGMfYZGQ= Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1417071970316863.4780288619738; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:06:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:06:10 -0600 From: chris To: Alejandro Imass Message-ID: <149f01247db.c743b0f9466735.8510792559500349538@bsdjunk.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:06:14 -0000 Didn't you post the same thing here before ? ------------------------------------- Chris Petrik FreeBSD Developer E on FreeBSD ------ As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true name. -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. Ritchie ---- On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:48:36 -0600 Alejandro Imass wrote ---- > Hi, > > I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with > FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when power > goes out. > > Do any of these work with FreeBSD via USB? > > - CyberPower Standby CP425SLG UPS > - CyberPower Standby CP550SLG UPS > - Tripp Lite ECO Series 350VA UPS > - Tripp Lite ECO Series 550VA UPS > > Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at Staples or > Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut down the server > gracefully. > > TIA, > Alejandro Imass > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 07:16:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80A7CC20 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 681EF6D6 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:16:59 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=bsdjunk; d=bsdjunk.com; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; b=AkFMLVD3Wjma+VSDYFOGNK4Vs49G2TO5uxgMgDoD3gktlsx8Z3rS5L5SA9qNc0QqyM5hTJ74G7p6 SpD2336+DYzmtWUixGioDyBbV5Zw1xQ9nf9A8lz42QsV8Y1qzfAeJ0VzUdGD5Z0o36jMlBYVYyzF 6UJ/y7U8S3LZHabzN/w= Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1417072615741662.9413415067678; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:16:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:16:55 -0600 From: chris To: Alejandro Imass Message-ID: <149f01c210b.12a339dba467826.1142068955140559977@bsdjunk.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:16:59 -0000 I have the currently: http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/avr-series-ups/CP1500AVRT.html http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/intelligent-lcd-ups/CP1000AVRLCD.html Both work using: upsmon which does exactly what you need. ------------------------------------- Chris Petrik FreeBSD Developer E on FreeBSD ------ As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true name. -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. Ritchie ---- On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:48:36 -0600 Alejandro Imass wrote ---- > Hi, > > I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with > FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when power > goes out. > > Do any of these work with FreeBSD via USB? > > - CyberPower Standby CP425SLG UPS > - CyberPower Standby CP550SLG UPS > - Tripp Lite ECO Series 350VA UPS > - Tripp Lite ECO Series 550VA UPS > > Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at Staples or > Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut down the server > gracefully. > > TIA, > Alejandro Imass > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 08:12:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F9E985A for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emea01-db3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db3on0108.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.55.234.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08D5FC59 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM2PR04MB0547.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.31.139) by AM2PR04MB0548.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.31.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.26.15; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:12:47 +0000 Received: from AM2PR04MB0547.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.31.139]) by AM2PR04MB0547.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.31.139]) with mapi id 15.01.0026.003; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:12:47 +0000 From: Moreno Carullo To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Testing if a process is protected Thread-Topic: Testing if a process is protected Thread-Index: AQHQChntYr1muMnZ80utAYbjp4VfkA== Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:12:47 +0000 Message-ID: <02A42D40-6B9F-4322-9BA0-4D96A8B5C422@nozominetworks.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-originating-ip: [151.66.168.230] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:AM2PR04MB0548; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:AM2PR04MB0548; x-forefront-prvs: 040866B734 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(164054003)(189002)(199003)(53754006)(77096003)(62966003)(106116001)(450100001)(106356001)(87936001)(120916001)(16236675004)(77156002)(101416001)(54356999)(83716003)(50986999)(2656002)(40100003)(110136001)(4396001)(558084003)(107046002)(107886001)(2351001)(86362001)(99396003)(229853001)(19580395003)(92726001)(92566001)(21056001)(82746002)(15975445006)(19617315012)(31966008)(95666004)(46102003)(64706001)(33656002)(36756003)(97736003)(20776003)(122556002)(105586002)(66066001)(104396001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:AM2PR04MB0548; H:AM2PR04MB0547.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nozominetworks.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:12:58 -0000 Hi all, I am implementing a set of automated tests for my FreeBSD system, and I wou= ld like to verify that a specific process has been protect(ed) (https://www= .freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dprotect&sektion=3D1). How can I verify that a given PID has been protected ? Thanks, Moreno From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 08:41:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0A5BF1A for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 982C2F1E for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:41:26 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=bsdjunk; d=bsdjunk.com; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; b=C9nrwaiggtbJOyR51/oRClKPmU7qdezMpCQmHodKz6KWEoTzhSKTPvKuNsA8kFPvzzvJT5+BRYQ6 eVrSavp4hY9/jIIjl11DPIzhP2BYCnVp/rje6inYLgZ1uB5Jjk1jaAhkhmx2zGaf1lsjZpjzt/Od ffHiHJJkz83rWi17jHQ= Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1417077683799912.8477625505765; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 00:41:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:41:23 -0600 From: chris To: Moreno Carullo Message-ID: <149f0697626.12068b091475894.2764701695520266620@bsdjunk.com> In-Reply-To: <02A42D40-6B9F-4322-9BA0-4D96A8B5C422@nozominetworks.com> References: <02A42D40-6B9F-4322-9BA0-4D96A8B5C422@nozominetworks.com> Subject: Re: Testing if a process is protected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:41:26 -0000 ps -O flags flags The flags associated with the process as in the include file : P_PROTECTED 0x100000 Do not kill on memory overcommit [chris@pcbsd-chris] ~% ps -O flags,class PID F CLASS TT STAT TIME COMMAND 3476 10104002 daemon 0 Ss 0:00.25 csh 11072 10004002 daemon 0 R+ 0:00.00 ps -O flags,class [chris@pcbsd-chris] ~% csh is protected ps is not ? hope this helps some :P ------------------------------------- Chris Petrik FreeBSD Developer E on FreeBSD ------ As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true name. -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. Ritchie ---- On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:12:47 -0600 Moreno Carullo wrote ---- > Hi all, > > I am implementing a set of automated tests for my FreeBSD system, and I would like to verify that a specific process has been protect(ed) (https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=protect&sektion=1). > > How can I verify that a given PID has been protected ? > > Thanks, > Moreno > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 08:45:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93DC117F for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emea01-am1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am1on0765.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fe00::765]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE4DCF47 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM2PR04MB0545.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.31.12) by AM2PR04MB0738.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.55.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.26.15; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:45:35 +0000 Received: from AM2PR04MB0547.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.31.139) by AM2PR04MB0545.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.31.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.26.15; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:45:32 +0000 Received: from AM2PR04MB0547.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.31.139]) by AM2PR04MB0547.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.31.139]) with mapi id 15.01.0026.003; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:45:32 +0000 From: Moreno Carullo To: chris Subject: Re: Testing if a process is protected Thread-Topic: Testing if a process is protected Thread-Index: AQHQChntYr1muMnZ80utAYbjp4VfkJx0J6SAgAABIYA= Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:45:32 +0000 Message-ID: <30A09422-43A1-41AC-B4D5-D1C3F8B8B529@nozominetworks.com> References: <02A42D40-6B9F-4322-9BA0-4D96A8B5C422@nozominetworks.com> <149f0697626.12068b091475894.2764701695520266620@bsdjunk.com> In-Reply-To: <149f0697626.12068b091475894.2764701695520266620@bsdjunk.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-originating-ip: [151.66.168.230] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:AM2PR04MB0545;UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:AM2PR04MB0545; x-forefront-prvs: 040866B734 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(164054003)(199003)(189002)(41574002)(53754006)(24454002)(95666004)(106356001)(122556002)(2656002)(46102003)(107046002)(83716003)(87936001)(77156002)(31966008)(77096003)(62966003)(15202345003)(106116001)(40100003)(105586002)(82746002)(101416001)(20776003)(120916001)(86362001)(4396001)(66066001)(21056001)(92726001)(36756003)(16236675004)(64706001)(33656002)(92566001)(19617315012)(54356999)(99396003)(76176999)(19580405001)(50986999)(15975445006)(19580395003)(97736003)(110136001)(104396001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:AM2PR04MB0545; H:AM2PR04MB0547.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:AM2PR04MB0738; X-OriginatorOrg: nozominetworks.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:45:59 -0000 Works great, thanks! Moreno On 27 Nov 2014, at 09:41, chris > wrote: ps -O flags flags The flags associated with the process as in the include file : P_PROTECTED 0x100000 Do not kill on memory overcommit [chris@pcbsd-chris] ~% ps -O flags,class PID F CLASS TT STAT TIME COMMAND 3476 10104002 daemon 0 Ss 0:00.25 csh 11072 10004002 daemon 0 R+ 0:00.00 ps -O flags,class [chris@pcbsd-chris] ~% csh is protected ps is not ? hope this helps some :P ------------------------------------- Chris Petrik FreeBSD Developer E on FreeBSD ------ As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true n= ame. -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. Ritchie ---- On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:12:47 -0600 Moreno Carullo> wrote ---- Hi all, I am implementing a set of automated tests for my FreeBSD system, and I wou= ld like to verify that a specific process has been protect(ed) (https://www= .freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dprotect&sektion=3D1). How can I verify that a given PID has been protected ? Thanks, Moreno _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing= list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing= list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 09:43:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFCF1F22; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF51D822; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.137.132] (helo=unixarea.DDR.dd) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtvc1-0004yX-PV; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:43:46 +0100 Received: from unixarea.DDR.dd (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3) with ESMTP id sAR9hiEf001656; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:43:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3/Submit) id sAR9hhEF001655; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:43:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: unixarea.DDR.dd: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:43:42 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: looking for new netbook Message-ID: <20141127094342.GA1628@unixarea.DDR.dd> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r269739 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.137.132 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:43:55 -0000 Hello, I'm looking for a new netbook laptop; my old EeePC 900 (from 2008) has to short battery time, and the Acer Aspire One D250 has a problem with the display (from time to time goes completely white, the system is running, but one has to reboot to get an image again); What I want is more or less: -- 1-2 GByte RAM -- 1024x600 display, ~10 inch -- 50++ GByte SSD disk -- normal QWERTY/Z keyboard (i.o. no tablet) -- Wifi supported in head -- USB ports for UMTS dongle -- and of course, it should run FreeBSD; Any pointers to a modern device? Thanks in advance matthias -- Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg ziehen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 10:35:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 652F61D6 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f174.google.com (mail-ig0-f174.google.com [209.85.213.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31F1BD74 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hn15so8340939igb.7 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:35:08 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=cQfx7vK3W4sMoM3H2usPhymKkt8Fjtw5Wlv/91KF8Ts=; b=E6XP43X1Qx7EDuIS0ptgQMYUURZ7MTkeqWFv6ZWEdoE2mk4Qi2T7zZKuxhnHQMK8+1 A/wHgwRhH7b3/H0mOBFLwOxQ8QBwGkNTKysmdcOM8wyo4XMSYcdMNMSdR0ZfVDZdXp4R gB3YjPczmCyi9vBMKJ4K8qBYeI96p13c9GBIx1jQmsyaCzmFirvyJ4hhn7gzOsuAYMIC 3G4FEVdL0/ym1yzDelilr9kGbPScJE1czYBH8cBB83qvu3mfmX7F73iwT8Rx35Zp3E36 jQg1ituwf7gv8Y82PIA5P4UPjps1SzTlqhjlfjaZz2T5LoJKa31cHIWxToF3ePFtJPxX DpCg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQllT+SxbN35uWv5q3R3wPviMoIueEoTqVwiIK5ed1RiXnR8EsWuV7lvZhmffSFNM0Zh8ag/odqkGGuNmWZzNpsw9KAxGU3rh5SsoKvry6ZSKI2p7TxpruEAlKt8XgECz0rN/Q0l X-Received: by 10.42.207.76 with SMTP id fx12mr36940441icb.17.1417082742305; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:05:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.152.131 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 02:05:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141127094342.GA1628@unixarea.DDR.dd> References: <20141127094342.GA1628@unixarea.DDR.dd> From: "Lundberg, Johannes" Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:05:26 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looking for new netbook To: Matthias Apitz , "freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:35:16 -0000 Personally I haven't had so much time lately to contribute but I hope we can have FreeBSD running on Macbook Air soon... This require at least Haswell graphics (maybe all new netbooks/laptops do?) and perhaps some fixes regarding the USB system which currently seems to be some problems with. Maybe that can be an option if you can live with an usb wifi dongle (which now is the size that they only stick out 5mm from the port). -- Johannes Lundberg BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm looking for a new netbook laptop; my old EeePC 900 (from 2008) has > to short battery time, and the Acer Aspire One D250 has a problem with th= e > display (from time to time goes completely white, the system is running, > but one has to reboot to get an image again); > > What I want is more or less: > > -- 1-2 GByte RAM > -- 1024x600 display, ~10 inch > -- 50++ GByte SSD disk > -- normal QWERTY/Z keyboard (i.o. no tablet) > -- Wifi supported in head > -- USB ports for UMTS dongle > -- and of course, it should run FreeBSD; > > Any pointers to a modern device? > > Thanks in advance > > matthias > > -- > Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 > 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. > El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. > Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg > ziehen. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=EF= =BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97= =E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98=E5= =8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3=82= =8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=99=E3=80=82 =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96=E3= =81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5=A0= =B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE= =E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5=88= =87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4= =BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8=A8= =98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81=84= =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3= =81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3=81= =97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 13:14:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A692A4F for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x22e.google.com (mail-vc0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E62101CE for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id id10so2186823vcb.33 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 05:14:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/O9vjKwHolzL5a8RKYaBfG2qLBIfbWvlXrdhYPlYHxY=; b=Nj/2HNJDeY0H+njrnSzKBswWlBay0to7/CBfXTahdhw3Qub9pd47OCdR7ZhvVcFG1m LnNNqdjfv+cDkM+NNBBomYnyaEHrK5N+CZqbWjgNJdDLgsBC/t9qKP+HsTBTHtGPSjnu mC7kL6Wb+1EhKwtML6OZpWuG0dYOESuSD1/S86/Ztuaj8yXpWI6EY88YOWnlw45Qnm58 YHtp6/cBFb8ptMnN/K9Il7wBAlu5NFByzqrVmuo4jLHspx9SDSwTkL7GSTv1SkBEm6W+ I+TZhd0b/J0po+wq8HPPFakanvrGaNC4nzfBId5v3N4ZrHfkRp4z4h7rTU2zN5GNSHvI nffA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.163.202 with SMTP id yk10mr17001055vdb.14.1417094070924; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 05:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.137.17 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 05:14:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <149f01247db.c743b0f9466735.8510792559500349538@bsdjunk.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 05:14:30 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: UPS for FreeBSD From: Mike Starr To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:14:32 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mike Starr Date: Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:14 AM Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD To: chris As an aside, would anyone know how to digestify this mail list's content? On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:06 PM, chris wrote: > > Didn't you post the same thing here before ? > ------------------------------------- > Chris Petrik > FreeBSD Developer > E on FreeBSD > ------ > As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true > name. > -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. Ritchie > > > > > > > > ---- On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:48:36 -0600 Alejandro Imass< > aimass@yabarana.com> wrote ---- > > Hi, > > > > I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with > > FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when > power > > goes out. > > > > Do any of these work with FreeBSD via USB? > > > > - CyberPower Standby CP425SLG UPS > > - CyberPower Standby CP550SLG UPS > > - Tripp Lite ECO Series 350VA UPS > > - Tripp Lite ECO Series 550VA UPS > > > > Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at Staples or > > Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut down the server > > gracefully. > > > > TIA, > > Alejandro Imass > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 17:26:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D5E09B4 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 17:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-f170.google.com (mail-qc0-f170.google.com [209.85.216.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E10910F for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 17:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x3so3893641qcv.29 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:26:31 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Aw9SsoHjhiK2kPMBsuo9tg+L5Q1uM6lRys8zWxpGQdA=; b=EH7eYRqU3LPHIGaNsgWbtVcWHzjRB/93Y012XyhNU6Vbtc5WI67bdy6+sPLHXfPLWB wavJqGsfR4YP6C28SQvfdPeYKISXOcEjZx7j5GfBlUGwyl81gopTBbZF99TFMpIap6Dx aZQ+jj1/+3GUA/mlvJU4SNxOceH6TRW4d+dZ94rF6kL0a78xZzIY5EaFrhM7NRpE1mcN 7LClZH+Qa5iScBFRv9OKyT2+RKkSefjoEZKhohmR4Rzy0l3Wpmqwv4U7Xg1SrlSXHQjQ F58c6TVH2+T8oEn33fh6pGS+ha+u3e8YHiz/EfIhRS6I7v9RdIMf6nqHf5t7bQSOjKHX LT6A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnWRB6B9tit7VMa1Wicxk+Mk8mThDhYlNzHBw6Qz2hvIS0IevCjP9H+2Sb6xJm1TXzsx+7Y MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.120.67 with SMTP id c3mr55887725qar.3.1417109190953; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.85.179 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:26:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <149f01247db.c743b0f9466735.8510792559500349538@bsdjunk.com> References: <149f01247db.c743b0f9466735.8510792559500349538@bsdjunk.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 12:26:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD From: Alejandro Imass To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 17:26:38 -0000 On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 2:06 AM, chris wrote: > > Didn't you post the same thing here before ? > ------------------------------------- > Yeah a long time ago but I couldn't find the thread in the archives. Anyway at that time I didn't buy anything so I figured things have changed since then... Thanks, Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 18:27:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B692AF4 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 18:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAB55B8D for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 18:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xu3mg-0007sP-SW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:27:18 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.82.127]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:27:18 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:27:18 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:27:06 -0500 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 18:27:24 -0000 Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with > FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when > power goes out. > > Do any of these work with FreeBSD via USB? > > - CyberPower Standby CP425SLG UPS > - CyberPower Standby CP550SLG UPS > - Tripp Lite ECO Series 350VA UPS > - Tripp Lite ECO Series 550VA UPS > > Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at Staples or > Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut down the server > gracefully. > Been looking at the CyberPower ones myself lately. If this is for a desktop type box with an active PFC power supply go pure sine-wave. The higher the efficiency rating of the power supply the more touchy they are wrt the non pure sine wave variety. Almost all modern desktop power supplies today are active PFC, so the pure sine-wave is becoming a 'must-have'. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 18:55:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CED6854 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 18:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-x245.google.com (mail-ob0-x245.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::245]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D60D9E3D for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 18:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f197.google.com with SMTP id va2so25720949obc.0 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:55:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:message-id:date:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+kn6uq4ev7w6Z8eclO7245cxGWFcmsf0t3Fcw0cMNlc=; b=iKY2gjvZ2Y6CJFrPsvyibjz+doHECRkLdcP7HicVkXPCFskTOtEL74NXmGUnEoZUwI HbpmIDWEzE3HqJP99IEhe9OFO6OPWPkSP7vDaDrl4RLudG6T8QRU/ytbByq8vr983nry MV8igy/Nzfz0x2w3AKGnn4hFnDL5dHmTir/w626X1MgaJfWZFeGINmLLfBkhwsA0F8/d pNYK199REkYZLDS1gPAFhGelgkTPTLbjqauNzmldDFqMMdNAyctt8WM5UkR5k9BGvunS OHYzVfPEXKf37n7y6CQ+K72RtYN/iL9hLt7hLtC8ngI0XGrMlXvruRyol+z8c3Y1Ps4I BMDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.121.170 with SMTP id ll10mr38609638obb.12.1417114548342; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:55:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <089e01536a5a4299eb0508dbb11b@google.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 18:55:48 +0000 Subject: Secure or Recover freebsd.org from Google Penguin 3.0 From: Olin Hook To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 18:55:49 -0000 Hello freebsd.org Team, Hope you are doing well! 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 19:25:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66244499 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [199.48.128.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C33715A for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB6702C160D; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C7C71564; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:25:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:25:37 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nightrecon@hotmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:25:47 -0000 On 11/27/2014 10:27 AM, Michael Powell wrote: > Alejandro Imass wrote: >> >> I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will work with >> FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to gracefully shutdown when >> power goes out. >> >> Do any of these work with FreeBSD via USB? >> >> - CyberPower Standby CP425SLG UPS >> - CyberPower Standby CP550SLG UPS >> - Tripp Lite ECO Series 350VA UPS >> - Tripp Lite ECO Series 550VA UPS >> >> Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at Staples or >> Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut down the server >> gracefully. > > Been looking at the CyberPower ones myself lately. If this is for a desktop > type box with an active PFC power supply go pure sine-wave. The higher the > efficiency rating of the power supply the more touchy they are wrt the non > pure sine wave variety. Almost all modern desktop power supplies today are > active PFC, so the pure sine-wave is becoming a 'must-have'. Sine-wave approximating inverters do bad things to any power supply with a regulator cap (which is everything that won't catch fire on its own). The issue is the high frequency components and the hundreds of under- and over-voltage events per second inherent to the stepped square waveforms used (every step is a spike or sag). UPS manufactures know this is bad, so they try to hide it by calling it "modified sine wave", "quasi sine wave", "simulated sine wave", "PWM sinewave", etc., and hope you're dumb enough to fall for it. I have yet to see a consumer UPS that doesn't do this. You need to buy a server-grade UPS to get something that won't damage your electronics. APC SmartUPS, Cyberpower PFC Sinewave or Smart App, Eaton 5P/PX or 9 series, Tripp Lite SmartOnline, etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 20:15:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A721D1F for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-m4.mx.aol.com (omr-m4.mx.aol.com [64.12.226.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A7ED864 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaomg-aad01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aad01.mx.aol.com [172.26.127.227]) by omr-m4.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F03A03800008E for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mmb001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mmb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.100.1]) by mtaomg-aad01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7681D38000082 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:09:46 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: www/firefox don't compile X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Xavier Freebsd Questio X-Mailer: AOL Webmail STANDARD Received: from 176.84.12.150 by webmail-va111.sysops.aol.com (205.188.21.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:09:46 -0500 Message-Id: <8D1D895399722B8-1810-1FED4@webmail-va111.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [176.84.12.150] Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:09:46 -0500 x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aim.com; s=20140625; t=1417118986; bh=gTrRp5RE4QXgl8Fo/bRm4TsiqoWr24lpRyQQ4COhOvo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LJCm4PjiRd9NO7cxPnTorPYiCj/fALm90sg/Of69F0k8x9hfwisDoR0rWkDbF5/BU VAHlw2ol41ZMtqOVgDbPS7b5GC5WAB5yOmJsFwP6fii/QgGQUQ/5Hm+cxfNLXJ70WL 1i2asvxV0h/RW6PbQKeyJcexrVZLc5burTVINUfM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7fe35477850a0521 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:15:46 -0000 =0AI=20get=20this=20error=20when=20I=20compile=20www/firefox=20port:=0A=0A=0Ahtt= p://pastebin.com/H2DyYd1U=0A=0A=0ASome=20idea=20for=20solve=20it=20?=0A=0A=0ATha= nks.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 20:32:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80874378 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AFF4A68 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xu5k7-0000fS-JK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:32:47 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.82.127]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:32:47 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:32:47 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:32:33 -0500 Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:32:55 -0000 Darren Pilgrim wrote: [snip] >>> Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at Staples or >>> Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut down the server >>> gracefully. >> >> Been looking at the CyberPower ones myself lately. If this is for a >> desktop type box with an active PFC power supply go pure sine-wave. The >> higher the efficiency rating of the power supply the more touchy they are >> wrt the non >> pure sine wave variety. Almost all modern desktop power supplies today >> are active PFC, so the pure sine-wave is becoming a 'must-have'. > > Sine-wave approximating inverters do bad things to any power supply with > a regulator cap (which is everything that won't catch fire on its own). > The issue is the high frequency components and the hundreds of under- > and over-voltage events per second inherent to the stepped square > waveforms used (every step is a spike or sag). > > UPS manufactures know this is bad, so they try to hide it by calling it > "modified sine wave", "quasi sine wave", "simulated sine wave", "PWM > sinewave", etc., and hope you're dumb enough to fall for it. I have yet > to see a consumer UPS that doesn't do this. > > You need to buy a server-grade UPS to get something that won't damage > your electronics. APC SmartUPS, Cyberpower PFC Sinewave or Smart App, > Eaton 5P/PX or 9 series, Tripp Lite SmartOnline, etc. I absolutely agree. I have a large line conditioner I pulled from a mini- frame that was being decommissioned and scrapped. It filters line noise, spikes, transients, high-freq noise, etc, and contains a constant voltage transformer that can even buck up short line voltage sags. There is no such advantage to having/using such a beast only to place a non pure-sine wave UPS between it and the computers. Defeats the purpose of having it in the first place as such units will only reintroduce all the crap the line conditioner cleans up. Of course, the obvious idea would be to put the UPS in front of the line conditioner, but that's also a no-go for various other reasons. Was just bringing this up to say: spend the extra money and get something good. My main background early in life was analog electronics and RF, before I got into computers. I've been looking around for something inexpensive for home use, but my show-stopper spec is I won't use anything that isn't pure sine wave. And that translates to $$$. Haven't found anything yet that is inexpensive and satisfies my requirements. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 21:22:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35781DCC for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:0:a400::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8609F5A for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29CCD2C160D; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79CF41578; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:22:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:22:49 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nightrecon@hotmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:22:54 -0000 On 11/27/2014 12:32 PM, Michael Powell wrote: > Darren Pilgrim wrote: > > [snip] >>>> Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at Staples or >>>> Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut down the server >>>> gracefully. >>> >>> Been looking at the CyberPower ones myself lately. If this is for a >>> desktop type box with an active PFC power supply go pure sine-wave. The >>> higher the efficiency rating of the power supply the more touchy they are >>> wrt the non >>> pure sine wave variety. Almost all modern desktop power supplies today >>> are active PFC, so the pure sine-wave is becoming a 'must-have'. >> >> Sine-wave approximating inverters do bad things to any power supply with >> a regulator cap (which is everything that won't catch fire on its own). >> The issue is the high frequency components and the hundreds of under- >> and over-voltage events per second inherent to the stepped square >> waveforms used (every step is a spike or sag). >> >> UPS manufactures know this is bad, so they try to hide it by calling it >> "modified sine wave", "quasi sine wave", "simulated sine wave", "PWM >> sinewave", etc., and hope you're dumb enough to fall for it. I have yet >> to see a consumer UPS that doesn't do this. >> >> You need to buy a server-grade UPS to get something that won't damage >> your electronics. APC SmartUPS, Cyberpower PFC Sinewave or Smart App, >> Eaton 5P/PX or 9 series, Tripp Lite SmartOnline, etc. > > I absolutely agree. I have a large line conditioner I pulled from a mini- > frame that was being decommissioned and scrapped. It filters line noise, > spikes, transients, high-freq noise, etc, and contains a constant voltage > transformer that can even buck up short line voltage sags. There is no such > advantage to having/using such a beast only to place a non pure-sine wave > UPS between it and the computers. Defeats the purpose of having it in the > first place as such units will only reintroduce all the crap the line > conditioner cleans up. > > Of course, the obvious idea would be to put the UPS in front of the line > conditioner, but that's also a no-go for various other reasons. > > Was just bringing this up to say: spend the extra money and get something > good. My main background early in life was analog electronics and RF, before > I got into computers. I've been looking around for something inexpensive for > home use, but my show-stopper spec is I won't use anything that isn't pure > sine wave. And that translates to $$$. Haven't found anything yet that is > inexpensive and satisfies my requirements. A 750VA or 1000VA SmartUPS can be had for around $250, and every now and the big box stores and Walmart carry them for around $300. Not too bad considering what you get. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 21:48:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DAA0460 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D5F31C0 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sARLmrE3090491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sARLmrPX090488; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:48:53 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> Message-ID: References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:48:53 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:48:56 -0000 On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > A 750VA or 1000VA SmartUPS can be had for around $250, and every now and the > big box stores and Walmart carry them for around $300. Not too bad > considering what you get. As I've said before, I prefer to buy the high-level APC units at auctions, SUA1500 or the equivalent rackmount version. The batteries are always bad, but I have yet to have the UPS itself not work. True sinewave output, and, including the cost of new batteries, a 90% or more discount. There are places that sell these refurbished also. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 27 21:50:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26DF0505 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com (mail-wi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1569269 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ex7so16866938wid.15 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:50:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lg9ZqbXNjSspS57s5u6/CdIrA4+7wFknczpeySRBsKQ=; b=tO9xVsK4HBWYb2usWBsLnkfrZsfPylFslcJ5J9Ldz5tfLJaFiB+Ny8wox+OIlC3elw A/FwZPrXWYisC0NKRNcoMH+SLkHStqPK5md8+xCrdEKxM9c6cnM5lTrww9uCKVdRtr5o 0EfInhyjOK0Jwsuk/RQ3BTlrf3pzpcp8uvJDwz20TwNvUmwnEigpGlFpmcPNSxLTCeRR aShc7DPh5mDVBc5yNkO3IrqgVZ1/CzmFsulUfKK+Xjq1GD7+x/9Ms8r8ANeegbSKzOqb QR2Kt/pfMfeFJmoGItPi/1sJ0xwwWK0ZEGWj/bU9pEpQTz/Oao15gecx6uOXMJVhliyD WNkg== X-Received: by 10.180.13.7 with SMTP id d7mr55974591wic.57.1417125056211; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bcdc819a.skybroadband.com. [188.220.129.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e16sm3672969wik.2.2014.11.27.13.50.55 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:50:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:50:54 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141127215054.3214544d@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:50:58 -0000 On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:27:06 -0500 Michael Powell wrote: > Almost all modern desktop power supplies today are active PFC, so the > pure sine-wave is becoming a 'must-have'. That's rather annoying for domestic desktops where PFC benefits the power company rather than the bill payer. I'm surprised someone isn't marketing a non-corrected PSU as "UPS optimized". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 04:04:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FCF1EAD for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 04:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "miucha.iecc.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95BADA38 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 04:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 76982 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2014 04:04:17 -0000 Received: from miucha.iecc.com (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2014 04:04:17 -0000 Date: 28 Nov 2014 04:03:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20141128040356.28633.qmail@ary.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for new netbook In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Cc: johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 04:04:21 -0000 In article you write: >Personally I haven't had so much time lately to contribute but I hope we >can have FreeBSD running on Macbook Air soon... I run FreeBSD in a a Virtualbox virtual machine on my Macbook. It is straightforward to have X clients in the VM talk to windows in the native xquartz X server. This works for me a lot better than native FreeBSD on a laptop -- my last computer was a Lenovo X400 running FreeBSD natively, and I wasted too much time trying to get Chrome and other third party X apps to work. Now I can run Chrome on MacOS, and the stuff under FreeBSD that works better there. Virtualbox is free, setting up FreeBSD under it is a snap, must download an ISO boot image, and install on the virtual machine from that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 08:11:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25333B6E for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D56C71A2 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.137.197] (helo=unixarea.DDR.dd) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XuGeL-0002ZI-R8; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:11:34 +0100 Received: from unixarea.DDR.dd (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3) with ESMTP id sAS8BU5w001610; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:11:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3/Submit) id sAS8BSgk001609; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:11:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: unixarea.DDR.dd: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:11:27 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: John Levine Subject: Re: looking for new netbook Message-ID: <20141128081127.GA1544@unixarea.DDR.dd> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp References: <20141128040356.28633.qmail@ary.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20141128040356.28633.qmail@ary.lan> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r269739 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.137.197 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:11:38 -0000 El día Friday, November 28, 2014 a las 04:03:56AM -0000, John Levine escribió: > In article you write: > >Personally I haven't had so much time lately to contribute but I hope we > >can have FreeBSD running on Macbook Air soon... > > I run FreeBSD in a a Virtualbox virtual machine on my Macbook. It is > straightforward to have X clients in the VM talk to windows in the > native xquartz X server. Thanks for all feedback I received. To make this clear: I want to have a netbook type laptop (as laptop I use Dell E6330 which works just fine with FreeBSD). I was asking for a 10 or 11 inch size model. Re/ Mac, for a bunch of reasons Mac is a no go for me, not as laptop and not as mobile cellphone. One reason you can Google for with 'Apple stories'. > This works for me a lot better than native FreeBSD on a laptop -- my > last computer was a Lenovo X400 running FreeBSD natively, and I wasted > too much time trying to get Chrome and other third party X apps to > work. Now I can run Chrome on MacOS, and the stuff under FreeBSD that > works better there. I can not remember any laptop which at the end not worked fine. Of course, one has to pre-check the components and maybe change, for example. the Wifi chip or use an USB dongle as Wifi. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg ziehen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 09:07:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B253695C for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90D268CD for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:07:38 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=bsdjunk; d=bsdjunk.com; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; b=fRCOEFfbEgPoV2/9KX81oCl2VdtxLMXD1JJiJQsfyH/gkr6Oa01A3AGrTagpqFNMkpfbsmGDt+Ek NFf093q9SqeVucOIXlo0fGUrX7vcLVVlbKWsu38VptN20CtWRpAGEap0dSAcUuLW6/Ua4BRZ4pM4 xcsCfUGRDCbjZS0D0fI= Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1417165650991467.5267703689102; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 01:07:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 03:07:30 -0600 From: chris To: Matthias Apitz Message-ID: <149f5a7bbfc.10a33e3a4597260.8616295839777906926@bsdjunk.com> In-Reply-To: <20141128081127.GA1544@unixarea.DDR.dd> References: <20141128040356.28633.qmail@ary.lan> <20141128081127.GA1544@unixarea.DDR.dd> Subject: Re: looking for new netbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Cc: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:07:38 -0000 Just go to your local Sears, Bestbuy and pick one ? However I have a Lenovo G480 which is rather useless on FreeBSD I am hoping= I can create drivers to support the NIC/WiFi card in it one day. ------------------------------------- Chris Petrik FreeBSD Developer E on FreeBSD ------ As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true n= ame. -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. Ritchie ---- On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 02:11:27 -0600 Matthias Apitz wr= ote ----=20 > El d=C3=ADa Friday, November 28, 2014 a las 04:03:56AM -0000, John Levin= e escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > > In article you write: > > >Personally I haven't had so much time lately to contribute but I hope= we > > >can have FreeBSD running on Macbook Air soon... > >=20 > > I run FreeBSD in a a Virtualbox virtual machine on my Macbook. It is > > straightforward to have X clients in the VM talk to windows in the > > native xquartz X server. >=20 > Thanks for all feedback I received. To make this clear: I want to have a > netbook type laptop (as laptop I use Dell E6330 which works just fine > with FreeBSD). I was asking for a 10 or 11 inch size model. >=20 > Re/ Mac, for a bunch of reasons Mac is a no go for me, not as laptop and > not as mobile cellphone. One reason you can Google for with > 'Apple stories'. >=20 > > This works for me a lot better than native FreeBSD on a laptop -- my > > last computer was a Lenovo X400 running FreeBSD natively, and I wasted > > too much time trying to get Chrome and other third party X apps to > > work. Now I can run Chrome on MacOS, and the stuff under FreeBSD that > > works better there. >=20 > I can not remember any laptop which at the end not worked fine. Of > course, one has to pre-check the components and maybe change, for > example. the Wifi chip or use an USB dongle as Wifi. >=20 > matthias >=20 > --=20 > Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-452721= 1 > 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. > El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez= . > Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg zi= ehen. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 11:08:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE9B18FE for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 689176CD for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.137.197] (helo=unixarea.DDR.dd) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XuJPi-00035f-Gy; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:08:38 +0100 Received: from unixarea.DDR.dd (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3) with ESMTP id sASB8YPt001961; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:08:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by unixarea.DDR.dd (8.14.9/8.14.3/Submit) id sASB8WmE001960; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:08:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: unixarea.DDR.dd: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:08:32 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: chris Subject: Re: looking for new netbook Message-ID: <20141128110832.GA1929@unixarea.DDR.dd> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , chris , John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp References: <20141128040356.28633.qmail@ary.lan> <20141128081127.GA1544@unixarea.DDR.dd> <149f5a7bbfc.10a33e3a4597260.8616295839777906926@bsdjunk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <149f5a7bbfc.10a33e3a4597260.8616295839777906926@bsdjunk.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT r269739 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.137.197 Cc: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:08:53 -0000 El día Friday, November 28, 2014 a las 03:07:30AM -0600, chris escribió: > Just go to your local Sears, Bestbuy and pick one ? > > However I have a Lenovo G480 which is rather useless on FreeBSD I am hoping I can create drivers to support the NIC/WiFi card in it one day. I do not fully understand why a) people are top posting b) on a question about netbooks running FreeBSD get answers like yours about devices which does not work; > ------------------------------------- > Chris Petrik > FreeBSD Developer I was not awaiting that FreeBSD Developer do a+b, but maybe times are changing :-( matthias -- Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez. Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg ziehen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 11:20:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C61B33B8 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 906608F6 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:20:35 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=bsdjunk; d=bsdjunk.com; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; b=BCLmxGDhAR9t0nw4gcK4ECZq+NDbe7UBF/pr42WEzTR5EHbYVgv1XGoDItu3EyFu+PBAIe5KjAE4 XQ62YU2ysNMii9tlRMnMj22aXK2o/dCT4ILzn/pu6dddRILoPYy8bx2PG7zWf++tueSDzw35LGrb LimfqBowMP3ZchbW2Ik= Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1417173628633345.9060119016028; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 03:20:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 05:19:27 -0600 From: chris To: Matthias Apitz Message-ID: <149f6208674.1253c80af612440.628793981571892690@bsdjunk.com> In-Reply-To: <20141128110832.GA1929@unixarea.DDR.dd> References: <20141128040356.28633.qmail@ary.lan> <20141128081127.GA1544@unixarea.DDR.dd> <149f5a7bbfc.10a33e3a4597260.8616295839777906926@bsdjunk.com> <20141128110832.GA1929@unixarea.DDR.dd> Subject: Re: Re: looking for new netbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Cc: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:20:35 -0000 Blame my webmail. ------------------------------------- Chris Petrik FreeBSD Developer E on FreeBSD ------ As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true n= ame. -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. 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If you ever find a laptop please let me know. I'm also in search of something smaller than 11" Macbook. However I doubt we will find anything until support for new Intel graphics is complete.. On Friday, November 28, 2014, chris wrote: > > Blame my webmail. > > ------------------------------------- > Chris Petrik > FreeBSD Developer > E on FreeBSD > ------ > As in certain cults it is possible to kill a process if you know its true > name. > -- Ken Thompson and Dennis M. Ritchie > > ---- On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 05:08:32 -0600 Matthias Apitz wrote ---- > >El d=C3=ADa Friday, November 28, 2014 a las 03:07:30AM -0600, chris escr= ibi=C3=B3: > > > >> Just go to your local Sears, Bestbuy and pick one ? > >> > >> However I have a Lenovo G480 which is rather useless on FreeBSD I am > hoping I can create drivers to support the NIC/WiFi card in it one day. > > > >I do not fully understand why > > > >a) people are top posting > >b) on a question about netbooks running FreeBSD get answers like yours > > about devices which does not work; > > > >> ------------------------------------- > >> Chris Petrik > >> FreeBSD Developer > > > >I was not awaiting that FreeBSD Developer do a+b, but maybe times are > >changing :-( > > > > matthias > >-- > >Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de , http://www.unixarea.de/ > +49-170-4527211 > >1989-2014: The Wall was torn down so that we go to war together again. > >El Muro ha sido derribado para que nos unimos en ir a la guerra otra vez= . > >Diese Grenze wurde aufgehoben damit wir gemeinsam wieder in den Krieg > ziehen. > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > > --=20 -- Johannes Lundberg BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=EF= =BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97= =E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98=E5= =8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3=82= =8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=99=E3=80=82 =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96=E3= =81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5=A0= =B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE= =E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5=88= =87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4= =BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8=A8= =98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81=84= =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3= =81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3=81= =97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 14:58:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 638A36BE for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [173.14.229.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F96390 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegir.dabus.com (Processor) with ESMTP id 2A3965F2C7 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 07:52:52 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; b=AB/P0T9pTLiW/+AVoHYFoP5/hEY0ebwd6hHcZTK0brxb++n/xnpql8u8YGAFOhwfIGir40I0SqZwjyXIRXcYPFIMWLwnZyLskge6pCDj6ojKf4IlOYaDINWHz71oXaw2WVI1JkiZH00dqzOuz0897hT7YYUId5EzPdUc/kEAt4M=; c=nofws; d=dabus.com; q=dns; s=aegir1 Received: from mizar.holyordnance.org (unknown [172.56.38.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aegir.dabus.com (Dabus) with ESMTPSA id E989B5F2B8 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 07:52:50 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 07:53:57 -0700 From: Eric S Pulley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for new netbook Message-ID: <20141128075357.7770ea3e@mizar.holyordnance.org> In-Reply-To: <20141127094342.GA1628@unixarea.DDR.dd> References: <20141127094342.GA1628@unixarea.DDR.dd> Organization: Dabus X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:58:46 -0000 On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:43:42 +0100 Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm looking for a new netbook laptop; my old EeePC 900 (from 2008) has > Why use a netbook when you can run a full i7 in the same form factor? Power consumption has not been a problem for me in the year or so I've been using it. Acer V5-171-9620 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3517U CPU @ 1.90GHz (2394.61-MHz K8-class CPU) real memory = 8589934592 (8192 MB) GPU: Intel HD4000 Res: 1024x768 on native screen. 1080p on the VGA or HDMI port Screen 11.6 Price: ~600USD New 18 months or so ago This model is no longer made but you should be able to find something simular. Acer has worked well for me historically for supported components. I did have to swap out the WiFi miniPCI for one that worked with FreeBSD. Good luck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 15:55:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61E27979 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07D2BF20 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:55:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1417190138; bh=9UOi75EPdNFs51ZwW5OgH734q0DblmcJ81MNbaRSJIw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=mDlKeGMkIszUFG0k99DDm50/Ev0xy+u3Z/fS5ALkil27Ad+HzJDS7Ls1IvWGK41oW4gDAyn8MO/NVm04w3hUEwsTIgDWdge3jdE3ZeRfDjarDI4Sb/Wywxbk9rVUewyuuYGd6G9cxx/LTF5AZqpnkdrOMMS7tsQ5wwVCj90iyntYTqkQrgHHZ1xyzYcJC9B3z5kFS0QIp5sVwPEfCZWurM1vvCNQkzdI1MTtsgQ/yKC4tABxmZuznOR4W0ZI5pklXvWHF9B1jfNhzobMv+Qd/t8ifHUoqFC0Cfd/nQSVA3RA1Da/RJzvlfGjNC4YIx3BVkqDMrWG77/lZJHpyulyAg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=WmIL0F441vBSRH6dGu9FFiKzJi6a4W7yFvvPAQnlDM6BvlCPEszTPBhoWWeL2yIKgMHaMxra2IOmb7Kn17m7npBN2fiFhwkI3XDUn/66+MkqbSNYRzCayyJXOmm9Kb/UpAf6Hrv/QbXi9Db+++spRpNqccNfpM+KBHmUfW3CAOXfSGnMJWV1R4bqumZ4S0NozfQ4CZjQPqjEBiUbg6Ojv7H60EospQ8cqgtMSBATMR5xANhG+8h0t7DvnAYLuz/xz1doVIPbfcBnjlzhGu7nypnkB8VYo1KkwHZX6tjFgZQZblhqBfAaVQ+nbM07BlG7aiUYA8zCQbMWLdm6biQSGw==; Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 15:55:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.10] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 15:55:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 15:55:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 899740.51820.bm@smtp110.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: GdwlxAUVM1m5.i8pE6x0FyP1lYd0y6YwLnPwe1p2ap5WjUw 27eJ9Uz5T9p2R8oHELHq9BshF8en099yfiw3SaZkOwxRWxoRkKns2H1b8aXI .D4jyPS2h9.MEf6.mB8sKnHrUkFenJnbIHHQES1G9tBXty8fE7JWEBorfExl lIa1k4E9zr0yTKWqWLnmcJLS7xfxZm_gdW5HNdOCnoaUlCOE6C2pVqquKunK ROmut5NZEUuI8_OvtdAiOGC.kf2Bl1A5_lz7H.NKjJ5QApM9_X6J_fj5NX4B .ekkX72MYVwo3BsP3u0CdStjQFU1oDxvCFFUOHL.I_yTcp67C_UGLDeWrA0L aJzP8xBkH7xY_mLyKeunDDZQR.qFP8I_G03KZ3J6a.vRb7npT9F9wbNJB6My ins2bZz6RAbTdeHXpqLnMizpZxedxyA6FS.ZCXZtQFLQEqsoqPTpZB36lAVr eH0eV4KYssW_vhGPa9gmezZajjh_v8xu2XUGHbwqOyQ4xJoqBvQJAcJeXLZR 1_rjcqiWFEgoSHIzVxr6pJFXl X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Message-ID: <54789AF3.7090100@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:55:31 -0500 From: Paul Pathiakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> In-Reply-To: <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:55:46 -0000 *snip* >> I absolutely agree. I have a large line conditioner I pulled from a >> mini- >> frame that was being decommissioned and scrapped. It filters line noise, >> spikes, transients, high-freq noise, etc, and contains a constant >> voltage >> transformer that can even buck up short line voltage sags. There is >> no such >> advantage to having/using such a beast only to place a non pure-sine >> wave >> UPS between it and the computers. Defeats the purpose of having it in >> the >> first place as such units will only reintroduce all the crap the line >> conditioner cleans up. >> >> Of course, the obvious idea would be to put the UPS in front of the line >> conditioner, but that's also a no-go for various other reasons. >> >> Was just bringing this up to say: spend the extra money and get >> something >> good. My main background early in life was analog electronics and RF, >> before >> I got into computers. I've been looking around for something >> inexpensive for >> home use, but my show-stopper spec is I won't use anything that isn't >> pure >> sine wave. And that translates to $$$. Haven't found anything yet >> that is >> inexpensive and satisfies my requirements. > > A 750VA or 1000VA SmartUPS can be had for around $250, and every now > and the big box stores and Walmart carry them for around $300. Not > too bad considering what you get. Again, these UPSes are not double sine wave, they are stepped. You can get one for cheap, but, again, how much value do you place on your server and the information it has? If you're looking at APC, you have to look at their 'server class' UPS. They start (I think) at 1500VA and about $850. Also, someone mentioned Eaton, I've had several. The story with each of them is bad. The electronics failed in each instance and Eaton was not helpful at all. They told me they would send a 'technician' for $175/hr to just diagnose the problem. No thanks.... As I said, the Opti-UPS I got was cheap... 2000VA 1400W and was $900 shipped to me. BTW, check them out on NewEgg.com. (No, I'm not affiliated with NewEgg or Opti-UPS... I'm just trying to help. They have units that start at $412 (1000VA 700W) go up from there.) The 'Durable Series' is the one with double sine wave. P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 16:12:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E062BD3 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 193A5187 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wp4so5114013obc.25 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:12:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UmUg/rlq15thQX7GmQ3qkvq9HTNsWgdLntTbz579wXE=; b=yGrSl6tlBt5snblV0Wl6/AORC5g3VD+1mFn280WRBFvKVDBs105zSkgHthlaAlKaH4 i2SR+Bm+3nN1K6piRG5FyXdZ5JbdP/jGa3jncoQ3P96A+NthVNiTrQSltwZ4zpsCiVqP CWUaIebbXsZLCeprw3+6+SghbV2qhSJS4jixptJNBRUcWAavfP5ICkKbfSS7MS9Qxbae E6esQSqJ6b6bBE0/6X7kkP8Lo5WWdvNRxlEM9NUfVxymfVngEsmX0y0aztwT+bqJFoIX DUtmUpweXIDGXz4FE0Ed7M/hsb5kx8omuha9S7eSMgQ8Trh/HE3LC7G+hvhSeKKVxwLE MXzA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.144.3 with SMTP id si3mr27929897oeb.8.1417191125183; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.167.135 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:12:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5447AD3F.8060304@bytecamp.net> <54490752.7080504@radel.com> <544BEBB8.7000408@radel.com> <54725884.5060006@radel.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:12:05 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IPv6 aliases on FreeBSD 10 From: pepe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:12:06 -0000 Just to let you people know, it was problem on ISP side. They made config changes and now all ipv6 addresses are working just fine. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:43 PM, pepe wrote: > So, we finally got some answers from isp. They said it seems to be problem > on isps routers. > Now we just need to wait and see if they do something about it. > Thank's for suggestions and help anyways > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:51 AM, pepe wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> Sorry about no information. I just realized that too. >> So, server is hosted at isp's server rack. Connected with two gigabit >> ethernets (em0 and em1, but currently we're using only em0 until we get >> everything working, then we're look into duplicating internet connection). >> Server setup is ESXi running two FreeBSD servers. IPv6 problem was very >> same on both machines, but currently for testing we're running it on one >> server only. em0 is connected to cisco switch that is connected to isps >> network with fiber. So, we really can't do any testing or changes with >> hardware because of the setup. >> >> We're not doing firewalling, or well of course we are, but when doing >> ipv6 setup and testing - no ipv6 firewall at all. And actually we tired >> IPv6 setup with firewall completely off too. >> >> I'm not planning to use those 1::1 addresses that are outside /64 of gw, >> but they're in config now for testing purpose. >> >> ndp -an output right now is: >> root@eemeli:/home/pepe # ndp -an >> Neighbor Linklayer Address Netif Expire S >> Flags >> 2001:14b8:1801::1 00:00:5e:00:02:0a em0 23h59m54s S >> R >> 2001:14b8:1801::c001 00:0c:29:b2:57:43 em0 permanent R >> fe81::ca01%em0 00:00:5e:00:02:0a em0 2h49m3s S >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Jon Radel wrote: >> >>> On 11/23/14, 5:14 AM, pepe wrote: >>> >>>> I also tried adding >>>> aliases with /128 instead of /64, but it changed nothing. >>>> With /128 it worked just the same way. >>>> >>> As one of the people mentioning /128s, I'd like to retract that >>> suggestion; I've been reading the ipv6 related documentation given that I'm >>> bringing up my first 10.1 box with ipv6.....and things have changed a bit >>> since 8.4. >>> >>>> >>>> Current rc.conf is: >>>> ipv6_activate_all_interfaces="YES" >>>> #ipv6_defaultrouter="2001:14b8:1801::1" >>>> ipv6_defaultrouter="fe80::1%em0" >>>> ifconfig_em0_ipv6="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c001 prefixlen 64" >>>> ifconfig_em0_alias59="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::2 prefixlen 64" >>>> ifconfig_em0_alias60="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::c002 prefixlen 64" >>>> ifconfig_em0_alias61="inet6 2001:14b8:1801::3 prefixlen 64" >>>> ifconfig_em0_alias62="inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1:: prefixlen 64" >>>> ifconfig_em0_alias63="inet6 2001:14b8:1801:1::1 prefixlen 64" >>>> >>>> Just making sure that you realize that if the ISP's equipment is >>> addressed 2001:14b8:1801::1/64, it wouldn't necessarily do good things with >>> your address 2001:14b8:1801:1::/64 unless it had a route to that network. >>> But that's an aside and doesn't appear to be the root issue you're dealing >>> with. >>> >>> >>>> I'm starting to think it's problem on ISP side and not ours. But just to >>>> sure - anyone have any ideas what more to try? >>>> >>>> >>>> I read through this thread, and as far as I can tell, you've told us >>> almost nothing useful about the topology of your network. Where does the >>> cable from em0 go? Directly into the ISP's equipment? If so, what kind of >>> equipment are we talking about? What type of media? I admit complete >>> ignorance of the industry norms specific to Finland, but around these parts >>> it makes a world of difference whether you're talking directly to a cable >>> carrier's "modem" or a point-to-point circuit into a high-end router. >>> >>> What I would do, given what little I know about your topology: >>> >>> 1) Run "ndp -an" on your machine. All the addresses you expect to >>> work should show up as permanent entries in this table. >>> >>> 2) You're not doing any firewalling are you? >>> >>> 3) If you don't run em0 into a switch, insert one (preferably one that >>> does L3 and port mirroring, if you just happen to have access to one like >>> that) between the server and your ISP. >>> >>> 4) Attach another ipv6 speaking machine to the switch. Can it ping >>> all the addresses? Does its ndp table show the proper mac address for all >>> the addresses? >>> >>> 5) Optional: mirror all the traffic on the switch port attached to the >>> ISP the test machine you added and using tcpdump or wireshark or >>> what-have-you look at the traffic between the ISP and your server. >>> >>> If the test machine in #4 reaches all the server addresses just fine >>> even though the ISP doesn't, particularly if #5 shows the ISP never sending >>> the traffic that should be going to the "non-functional" addresses, my >>> leading suspicion would be that that the ISP's equipment has very, very >>> limited capacity for a L2 address table, quite possibly as a matter of >>> deliberate configuration, and after it learns about N neighbors, where N is >>> a very small number, it simply ignores any additional addresses. Other >>> than getting your ISP to do something about that, the only fix I can think >>> of is to put a router (which is where a L3 switch would be handy) between >>> your ISP and your server. Then, in theory, your ISP's equipment should >>> have to deal with the only addresses on the outside of your router in L2 >>> and everything else would be L3 routing. My big concern about that, >>> however, is that the default address they've given you is actually in your >>> /48, so it's unclear to me what the heck they're doing with the routing. >>> So you probably have to talk to them in any case about what the outside >>> interface of your router should be addressed as. >>> >>> --Jon Radel >>> jon@radel.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> pepe >> > > > > -- > pepe > -- pepe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 16:48:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C98303CF for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm13-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm13-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.187]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E3ED6CF for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:48:49 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s2048; t=1417193322; bh=LofWJTALYdsIhP5grYBDX62RSr1zJyfRYAjLtMAncaY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=NRTu6R/tyNRop9nwt6erWYW5d1LSFK1reEymeiiZdic4sD7irrIsL2e+pUS73nUvrcB5lu5finTGjppKMIN6PRR3ZmJlGvsYswDf4k1xZucig9T7lgoPDqgo0mQTPCOENb9TLFr/iSaNTONKMDGxxcm/CPCDok5BjJTxOTU/14jL8zjuMSwx0ffEhaZZoiN3SBNUjuqcn0PzaupldlZUYj1c763utWUaWnxzJZok1Zcx0lx3L3u1T9ixf6vwYTnUcNUztgnDgnmTwocJbcFPB6w0O0U2GAOAleJAvbejD4G4YzgsXec0+3vuwLS+OrurJA+tull6hmRXT23OdPu+tg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.es; b=opJJX2kEC1ByavM/89ZkcLyya4ee4klvof13hZL0CkyNk/Qx79f5zZYbrQfaC8s7bTSr8Ixsx+m1OeUyfOHR9XhMkbHyxzk6BGD2Uhswl+IEJJuTYYaK1dA8IEIygvt6ob1gUfegmscXyKXvW20ZsTzxADVS1sP2BCL7Pg7fE+u9K/X6jP5FHciNnSo2vqvE9k3eXjRIlwWZwEk3a9VoBAoAJh40tmogGdDHrPSgaUSzmgToEaX+hdgYT7Yauhc1DW8CrUOvtjJWHzpjCmBKd6RqMAIOnJQEw9vpbg7JDu8c0PrxTyM0ZfjCsmVCOIuBnWt4mv/T4y24uVe8wSuZaQ==; Received: from [212.82.98.55] by nm13.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 16:48:42 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.80] by tm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 16:48:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 16:48:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 198172.49315.bm@smtp117.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mnFwcEUVM1mH2MhOqUM9mp.cHlQwhpMaeX9iDrGmhD7UlGs .K.rkXZzCuQkE3eAQy3qb9EDKtilrWGsA8Phi46Vfch.8sPWvPx14AL.wY9t KUKDMEih4ix73kLwpJuJw9iHJel6bKAFCAdJ_4tJnngnB47LBxxk0BMx3_SS Pkr_nPnw2J4.Kqo.eDre4opaUUlGQJyQDDuAWyCbXaQVvJKG_WLsZxMspkp. FCs8q9pqaL84hs34Vn8AsQyrRYXJflvwXLCWfbjGnFtyTBCgmBajU1RJjewP e0fkv8mRFejn.G4VA6wC41tsKaLDOClaXYw4xe6GJVK9aRMH0PAXqr9puyjw IePbOW4pG8Fpvln7ljIn7SUqQXVhYwc4f.fhbJq6HT7ONOPuIxTOLOeQ1ASG nWC36ZOjM2tlaiH_Cuec1qEYg0UiSCoLxMTHk3RmoH56itFpjI.PZV2jqVxw vnqtu9rwuEFkFGYEEybl.WJuFfEwvaeHWWXvSwMgfZs88NzkiWmDB3d8JSrY - X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:48:40 +0100 From: Eduardo Morras To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Installing from running FreeBSD Message-Id: <20141128174840.6fa1bbb65c1d81e1f25f216e@yahoo.es> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:48:50 -0000 Hello, I have a server running FreeBSD 9.2-p15. I want to upgrade it to release 10.1 with minimal shutdown so I'm thinking about installing 10.1 in a new partition running the 10.1 installer from 9.2., configure the system, install and configure ports, and then restart with 10.1. I never did it before nor know if it can be done and some questions emerge: a) Did someone tried it before? b) Can it be done safety/ly? c) How can I install ports or pkgs in 10.1 partition from 9.2, perhaps with the pkg jail (-j) option? Thanks in advence --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 16:52:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B24064F1 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C92057E8 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id sASGP9v5031067; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:25:10 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:25:09 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: chris Subject: Re: looking for new netbook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20141129031418.I85722@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:52:03 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 547, Issue 5, Message: 15 On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 05:19:27 -0600 chris wrote: > Blame my webmail. No, that's not good enough. Only a poor workman blames his tools. Even with crappy webmail, if you can't change the M$ Outlock-style top posting default, you can still delete extraneous text and position your response below; takes a little more effort and a little less laziness. Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 16:53:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C6895AA for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53AA3808 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:53:50 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=bsdjunk; d=bsdjunk.com; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=SU6kVWinVkWn5Bo6GgiuYGQOfHXPVpd52Ksa0Ku0eBbAanns7hDVHF534g7m0neESqrGL/2hIbd3 CrNzeBCiX6rpP860uPosg83tmp9XJWU2xs6XSyPWi+RGz0L8FWoXxrs/pMvFaZke8JPtuY8KxMDP QwGEAHnAowBPyyFBs+8= Received: from [192.168.0.5] (187.253.214.243 [187.253.214.243]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1417193628473901.9489201983963; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:53:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5478A899.5050105@bsdjunk.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:53:45 -0600 From: Chris Petrik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing from running FreeBSD References: <20141128174840.6fa1bbb65c1d81e1f25f216e@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: <20141128174840.6fa1bbb65c1d81e1f25f216e@yahoo.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:53:51 -0000 On 11/28/2014 10:48, Eduardo Morras wrote: > Hello, > > I have a server running FreeBSD 9.2-p15. I want to upgrade it to release 10.1 with minimal shutdown so I'm thinking about installing 10.1 in a new partition running the 10.1 installer from 9.2., configure the system, install and configure ports, and then restart with 10.1. I never did it before nor know if it can be done and some questions emerge: > > a) Did someone tried it before? > b) Can it be done safety/ly? > c) How can I install ports or pkgs in 10.1 partition from 9.2, perhaps with the pkg jail (-j) option? > > Thanks in advence > > > --- --- > Eduardo Morras > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Why not just use freebsd-update you only reboot once. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 16:55:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE47464A for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [74.201.84.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A45FF824 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:55:08 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=bsdjunk; d=bsdjunk.com; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=h4CTKGKG89wev8k7knVNXNgAN85kNqtOCy2Si6fSPZeo4PDUgp9JL+UoFwNkQnJQw5zWCOu70xIV e+TB7FPU04YIVJsItQZW7ZHoxBm0B5VnEbJdLcPu4q68EmKbagDdNIFRPUAVJx+xdDm2M0o7YRLT Fywzima69sfWFLgYlNU= Received: from [192.168.0.5] (187.253.214.243 [187.253.214.243]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1417193704286432.5556515881907; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:55:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5478A8E5.6080409@bsdjunk.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:55:01 -0600 From: Chris Petrik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Smith Subject: Re: looking for new netbook References: <20141129031418.I85722@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20141129031418.I85722@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 2 Cc: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:55:08 -0000 On 11/28/2014 10:25, Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 547, Issue 5, Message: 15 > On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 05:19:27 -0600 chris wrote: > > > Blame my webmail. > > No, that's not good enough. Only a poor workman blames his tools. > > Even with crappy webmail, if you can't change the M$ Outlock-style top > posting default, you can still delete extraneous text and position your > response below; takes a little more effort and a little less laziness. > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Should of just ignored the request, and got on with messing with polarssl. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 17:22:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A638B9A9 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22d.google.com (mail-lb0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40096ACD for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id z12so5794606lbi.4 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:22:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uRlDaWeWya18twtxJ+2PODp2kGswAqel+0sEtHGQ4BE=; b=ieAqNuypKvr/615Rqump2Hm6fPvMIT/cVrQtOEofiQ3vuY3gcbA9AkZhP4XH8/w3Ti KzJhJBNHKqKy855UwwGyerkWTROoWSEipa7w1+YhexG9J20TVaW5GR8xEu4kw0j9jFOI zvlEWgIYWy7TTPmONMae2TDyf2OjedWF/IcsHhq6VV62C8NKK5cFkeDy9J7QmFNGRHU2 F9oV1S7Ofv8Sa89jhuNyZhcPt+Y2fbxciXcPVPkndRbJEm+UVom0ym++7NmCoCnehoem inpkuR7v8zgYL3uPDT7rK0Ri2+CqTVoci036PGBC9jwwDEUVfErJHxsPZOceKAxB/02H Y0cg== X-Received: by 10.112.172.97 with SMTP id bb1mr44429530lbc.38.1417195357345; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:22:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from blazon-pc.rw.local ([78.84.244.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fb6sm1250088lbc.46.2014.11.28.09.22.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:22:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5478AF5B.2050307@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:22:35 +0200 From: Alnis Morics User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing from running FreeBSD References: <20141128174840.6fa1bbb65c1d81e1f25f216e@yahoo.es> <5478A899.5050105@bsdjunk.com> In-Reply-To: <5478A899.5050105@bsdjunk.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:22:39 -0000 On 11/28/2014 18:53, Chris Petrik wrote: > > On 11/28/2014 10:48, Eduardo Morras wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have a server running FreeBSD 9.2-p15. I want to upgrade it to >> release 10.1 with minimal shutdown so I'm thinking about installing >> 10.1 in a new partition running the 10.1 installer from 9.2., >> configure the system, install and configure ports, and then restart >> with 10.1. I never did it before nor know if it can be done and some >> questions emerge: >> >> a) Did someone tried it before? >> b) Can it be done safety/ly? >> c) How can I install ports or pkgs in 10.1 partition from 9.2, >> perhaps with the pkg jail (-j) option? >> >> Thanks in advence >> >> >> --- --- >> Eduardo Morras >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Why not just use freebsd-update you only reboot once. Yes, and you can make an OS dump before you upgrade, in case something goes wrong. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 17:36:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58579D7A for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm27-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm27-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ECC4BE7 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:36:21 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s2048; t=1417196172; bh=kOOXI3AQkI/vN4k1I8sFkwDBeuRjgJh3jN7eHXNU7M0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=QtXf1cpoyg5gERK1F20VbrSqOa/h7hERmUkurd8je72HgOSqYRl4ztPsJ/iXEEC6PRqLHXZAYQ6wLdhfVGwEZG5nV293yk9QIXLKrenuhQrwHs+4X+LZ9s0veeu6e0yYhliKOHLjBf9CDhTKQ1vbEuwG97jlgHodcjmSH9+EArtvuxGjybj9YrBDFMO4jkrqDzgluKsEqNdiDl2k2bYjFbD6gmKVBEaGAg+cVNmz2f5TCr+zXK0BK5s0126fTFVXqtfh7ktxx1TrZ5Kn59yRKRkrKjQCAevgqMHRU8E2J13BUe4rYm4x87TizvZc63cCdcFN82w9nUIRYEhQxZYSug== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.es; b=WQ4/ra/LEs+AYeYBeWm9e7wU/LOZ++YD1I9a4kXbfa0+RSqXkac9GyjQLRtjaPVc+pW2wFIo8+XOowAat0/ir6M0OhODwR8t8+YKz1yS1d35gSe2GOb8sfPR19YRSTlIXZ2S6MLlsrVCCC0N9hoePThhKqAFkJ88h7uwtQBA6csPZrhkoGs2t54CyDLLQ+uIAdMNlf5B+BKGxlypEB2Ubt5acSLDqwPhuF3lKJ3BMYNmDvpPoOWy7poAvJzY4+wWGuPSfMJcAeGOZ2nzq398bj97tdliu/oZOyxih7z59NcA78C86vZWGDdzBhtnYZvwmpJfCaT3RjfaGCl+Mr65kQ==; Received: from [212.82.98.124] by nm27.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 17:36:12 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.93] by tm17.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 17:36:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 17:36:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 911774.50063.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xWSey.AVM1l_ObP9DBXAfhdk4aHNQJVpW2ns6mWx9nUZQSR bTUMHc1JnKEuibMohIR_is34psyRRDFG1JxruDz1obtM1FeuEsBnRbMvN9aM NKWa3qvEADEAoaVD2IalgiLslrMfH9pYe4UB.uyjpI.Xob.mtb6u4iIT3gtZ wwWlQCz7zluhYah4oBN2N3khwuGOAYtwA3R2pBhnp7wyzSb9HipqwAeEBs6E 9ozSuLf8_C4qY64X_6Y8soZqKm8_JFRRQk3xFyDP8fecBfWjltEMnNfn9Tbw hJ5mNl6wPuOSuflei.H22_hkYNshSB9m05bnUHuI0c35yDYMpM6Tm7uHQLpi WZMO95sGUmCavrIScBYtcur.wZnfUEB4ZNCfAET8QKqzZ8SkJbaz.BavS.KN B4G7twVb2A6B_MfF0dLypVGXKXCWcGnBulGeuOJu9THjLtdbvyIPNGQnxm4t RP61vNfqjmxnO5ydauJJ2zRHevTIbhGYPL9Neoe4_m5Y5WY7lSe6gGYAJ X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:36:11 +0100 From: Eduardo Morras To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing from running FreeBSD Message-Id: <20141128183611.568b7e7822e28114fcba9091@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: <5478A899.5050105@bsdjunk.com> References: <20141128174840.6fa1bbb65c1d81e1f25f216e@yahoo.es> <5478A899.5050105@bsdjunk.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:36:22 -0000 On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:53:45 -0600 Chris Petrik wrote: > On 11/28/2014 10:48, Eduardo Morras wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have a server running FreeBSD 9.2-p15. I want to upgrade it to > > release 10.1 with minimal shutdown so I'm thinking about installing > > 10.1 in a new partition running the 10.1 installer from 9.2., > > configure the system, install and configure ports, and then restart > > with 10.1. I never did it before nor know if it can be done and > > some questions emerge: > > > > a) Did someone tried it before? > > b) Can it be done safety/ly? > > c) How can I install ports or pkgs in 10.1 partition from 9.2, > > perhaps with the pkg jail (-j) option? > > > > Thanks in advence > Why not just use freebsd-update you only reboot once. Yes, but if something goes wrong, I need to undo the update and lost time, which may go wrong too. It's a server that I want to minimize its downtime. Thanks --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 17:44:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24D51E9D for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from luigi.brtsvcs.net (luigi.brtsvcs.net [204.109.60.246]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2CACCC8 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luigi.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D559C2D4F8D; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 428E91609; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:44:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5478B46C.10903@bluerosetech.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:44:12 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Pathiakis , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <54789AF3.7090100@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <54789AF3.7090100@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:44:18 -0000 On 11/28/2014 7:55 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >> A 750VA or 1000VA SmartUPS can be had for around $250, and every now >> and the big box stores and Walmart carry them for around $300. Not >> too bad considering what you get. > > Again, these UPSes are not double sine wave, they are stepped. You're confusing the SmartUPS SC series with real SmartUPS. We can blame APC for co-opting their own brand. The SmartUPS SC series is just rebadged BackUPS units. > You can > get one for cheap, but, again, how much value do you place on your > server and the information it has? If you're looking at APC, you have > to look at their 'server class' UPS. They start (I think) at 1500VA and > about $850. SmartUPS SMT750, 750VA, sine output. Available for about $250 online or about $300 B&M. > Also, someone mentioned Eaton, I've had several. The story with each of > them is bad. The electronics failed in each instance and Eaton was not > helpful at all. They told me they would send a 'technician' for $175/hr > to just diagnose the problem. No thanks.... Negativity bias. Please keep this thread limited to factual information. > As I said, the Opti-UPS I > got was cheap... 2000VA 1400W and was $900 shipped to me. You'll need to be more specific. Opti-UPS makes both stepped and sine products. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 17:55:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D88F521B for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A47CDBE for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sASHtmQS041425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:55:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sASHtlGN041422; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:55:47 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <5478B46C.10903@bluerosetech.com> Message-ID: References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <54789AF3.7090100@yahoo.com> <5478B46C.10903@bluerosetech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:55:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: Paul Pathiakis X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:55:56 -0000 On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 11/28/2014 7:55 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> A 750VA or 1000VA SmartUPS can be had for around $250, and every now >>> and the big box stores and Walmart carry them for around $300. Not >>> too bad considering what you get. >> >> Again, these UPSes are not double sine wave, they are stepped. > > You're confusing the SmartUPS SC series with real SmartUPS. We can blame APC > for co-opting their own brand. The SmartUPS SC series is just rebadged > BackUPS units. Yes. Although there are older small SmartUPS units, 450 or 500 VA, that are stepped. I'd still take a stepped-output UPS rather than have no UPS at all. 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I want to upgrade it to > >> release 10.1 with minimal shutdown so I'm thinking about > >> installing 10.1 in a new partition running the 10.1 installer from > >> 9.2., configure the system, install and configure ports, and then > >> restart with 10.1. I never did it before nor know if it can be > >> done and some questions emerge: > >> > >> a) Did someone tried it before? > >> b) Can it be done safety/ly? > >> c) How can I install ports or pkgs in 10.1 partition from 9.2, > >> perhaps with the pkg jail (-j) option? > >> > >> Thanks in advence > >> > >> > >> --- --- > >> Eduardo Morras > Yes, and you can make an OS dump before you upgrade, in case > something goes wrong. Yes, but recover from a dump is slower than a simple reboot if something goes wrong. That's why I want to try this, I need minimal downtime. I have seen the multipartition scheme used by nanobsd, where the upgrade is done to different partition [1] and if something fails, a reboot is enough. [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/nanobsd/article.html 2.4 Updating NanoBSD --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 18:11:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E28E72B for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C398FF00 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sASIB2pU045179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:11:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sASIB1Wa045176; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:11:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:11:01 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Eduardo Morras Subject: Re: Installing from running FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20141128174840.6fa1bbb65c1d81e1f25f216e@yahoo.es> Message-ID: References: <20141128174840.6fa1bbb65c1d81e1f25f216e@yahoo.es> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:11:02 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:11:04 -0000 On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Eduardo Morras wrote: > I have a server running FreeBSD 9.2-p15. I want to upgrade it to release 10.1 with minimal shutdown so I'm thinking about installing 10.1 in a new partition running the 10.1 installer from 9.2., configure the system, install and configure ports, and then restart with 10.1. I never did it before nor know if it can be done and some questions emerge: > > a) Did someone tried it before? Many people use the two-partition method, and it can be controlled with settings for boot0 or gptboot. However, I don't think it will work with different major versions of FreeBSD. > b) Can it be done safety/ly? > c) How can I install ports or pkgs in 10.1 partition from 9.2, perhaps with the pkg jail (-j) option? See above. Consider VirtualBox or some other type of VM software (bhyve is probably not available on 9.2). Better yet, install it on a second machine rather than messing with the partitions of an operating server. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 18:22:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 570F18D6 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02A17E3 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:22:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1417198929; bh=D4eCdZV8NhYEimHOsWdkV0j/QE1pG9ggVsuvDEljj9s=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=Qve2rV2H0no0zDbImT9YxWnNbBrboFPTLvmLL/DH4G6qXM9MeahXCdLzBl7Kl/kjzDomp3iQ0KYJZaK5oyhpQJ6mxrcc9xz+1ABtERuw9p0MkyCnQ5zxwZtjwdpmDbIjPom3sjnIQILjNhJVdOiNaqNC3p+pfsiGfZgwrEEPYzuRBIoqUKcryVwqmW6poN2fUhwgKs5WqJogDiIZO/kukQegA2AsTH5RqmuZ6uVTnjlttYpxFL5KRDCxHnD5XGeRkFYdyoo/EJURv8b+OsDyuTI7Nr1W2Bm7Oy+GzzyHUa4OUPuq1AANpPOevzt/jDEm1EgbWraF7KQmIYzi36kqlw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=rBxLfeAVT5E9UkUmwdC0oiOq6+pnlYcWvJSn28BGw9+khum0QCDN1/ZZ0zImXNPp8sLEuyE5Y7Ac12UEdMosbaaryVaqlZQtDmW2mEcwxFTI65fohW8ANI7PyvOS65kZI/eNeKD/lHE0AEd4pcJ6G8dqOSDYbQDcMN30paWtTDaM1/Nzb9nySUwoXdH7UpQ1gFGgUexn2cCTPskwvlnR8zyPWZymKzxJ50t/LgVOjSK15L/7bE+/k/wzn1rhNsiK4Xxgh+qeu4OlyHj4o813sIOyFZ+hbKLSZNjmVHxKO9cVZYuj1pNWN0VKvky7AvNqojyClGxlgpwPWEUDKhL0wQ==; Received: from [66.196.81.174] by nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 18:22:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.162] by tm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 18:22:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp219.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 18:22:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 481391.28970.bm@smtp219.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: T68zZXsVM1ntNn3mdWzx8Pr4HYmlpZqb0Er80ktsJmVtW24 C36Vf6D3EVNRZ6Mb2oryV6rV861BwYH6r6Pr1ZeUqZ3xYkp1TD7R4RqX4sVi u4BPOA0MygkWzL0Hgts5QZfOAX4DKUyAHTB6PIXZV73xO2YyC.LSGH53HyB1 tBAtoVDjzccmLJM.34tKJOjJoaX2bxaTuwDdFCL7R6El02D.t38pRT18xShO hrQnZwLItT0uKEk2WB3YxQ.FcKKyDGY3G6ro.PliezOWdQjY2cBlL23uMmhq 0Cic13HW1ThT6JIX7EURrjdvJVEIPNEHCU1cZMTywaXnivEIs_k78x2Dj3xq lUd2WvXfFpmRp_xIilOU_gfbAD9Bm_lchNPaQWyPLiwXlZnXxoXUnlB0_sMi dM9Zv2pPX8pzmb2wibt8wAbTxxzWqGjugmGt0AOI7nAfYugphDQJDmnWCJvN tov_EgUqy0NoonmWumB8dh1H_T9mAgMWOhNkuaJw84KHfwih1cwQHEXUj7CV z2tXGDvMJ0iWvMqy98IEdKxT5CyyOkKQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Message-ID: <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:22:07 -0500 From: Paul Pathiakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:22:11 -0000 I agree with Warren on this, I've done the same. The only issue with this is the proper disposal of the old batteries. On 11/27/2014 16:48, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > >> A 750VA or 1000VA SmartUPS can be had for around $250, and every now >> and the big box stores and Walmart carry them for around $300. Not >> too bad considering what you get. > > As I've said before, I prefer to buy the high-level APC units at > auctions, SUA1500 or the equivalent rackmount version. The batteries > are always bad, but I have yet to have the UPS itself not work. True > sinewave output, and, including the cost of new batteries, a 90% or > more discount. > > There are places that sell these refurbished also. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" As for the rest of the things on the follow up letters: > SmartUPS SMT750, 750VA, sine output. from their web site, under the SMT750 Features page: * Pure sine wave output on battery:Simulates utility power to provide the highest degree of compatibility for active PFC (power factor corrected) servers and sensitive electronics. "Simulates" utility power. This is the sneaky little bit of marketing. Saying it's sine output.... It is, but it's simulated. I've been roped in by the APC marketing machine previously. Basically, from my understanding, in today's market, you can't get True Double Sine conversion for less than $600 as the components that are necessary to provide that kind of clean power cost at least $400-$500. > Also, someone mentioned Eaton, I've had several. The story with each of > them is bad. The electronics failed in each instance and Eaton was not > helpful at all. They told me they would send a 'technician' for $175/hr > to just diagnose the problem. No thanks....Negativity bias. > Please keep this thread limited to factual information. I'm sorry I don't understand the above. I stopped using them about 8 years ago after 4-5 units had gone bad. *shrug* To me, that's a fact. :-) They were all of the same type. Eaton power 1500 VA rackmount that were purchased new for about $1250 each. Sorry, due to the time that's passed, I no longer have documentation about the purchase of that company's capital equipment. However, if it's wrong to share my experiences with a product, that's fine and I won't. These were all front end electronics failures, not the batteries. However, trying to steer people clear of making a mistake....? Eaton makes some awesome "large" units. However, these were rack mount for a "small" server room. > As I said, the Opti-UPS I > got was cheap... 2000VA 1400W and was $900 shipped to me. You'll need to be more specific. Opti-UPS makes both stepped and sine products. Again, this is the "Durable Series". They start with DS-1000 DS-1500 DS-2000 DS-3000. They are double-sine ouput. I'm using them now. I have a DS-2000 and a DS-3000. (The DS-3000 required a 30A circuit with and L6-30 outlet be put in.) However, the DS-2000 can work off a straight 20A 115W circuit. Sorry, about the 'interspersed' posting. P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 18:24:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71F5A9A1 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22d.google.com (mail-wg0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE04FFC for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id b13so9457694wgh.32 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:24:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5MIXLAYeQzKmFEGGnJOnpQiY4/M7mFoua6YkY+TTCVc=; b=drLHHss405DM1+waHzg8y+wNajtiPOeCWYMZLg20hmf/s7ytQ7EwqReZYXvgP3U55c VdIBD/BxTW8MJ78caUVTjIda71auApIg7l7m4sT5tjW1qQcIrVe1dJob6+d5fNjzPBCu 85q8hfCL/iP6HtRHFN2b2wkq1JvJs28hL3Q2lI68vScFpJ+v8YmruG0YKVZGvHmNg4dj qgGm7SZ7udeFGeVAyFYGPuk96HF00v/a8Hj7v7TAWIk6W/Ltc3tCDbrr79E5G+j7wYg6 n3AXHBGeo5/wgPDUSnt/JYOjJqjH3xfnW3ryT7dOwSxQ0IKqVL3tDR0/3y62I10dkqsL MrgA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.85.83 with SMTP id f19mr73157331wjz.20.1417199069146; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:24:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.106.136 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:24:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <546E5D2D.6010603@gmail.com> <54700218.8090300@bananmonarki.se> <54708578.5070401@bananmonarki.se> <54708DC4.8070209@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:24:29 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cROmDPvVubXP40LOUKyHZ6z7GZk Message-ID: Subject: Re: olvwm on amd64 From: Adrian Chadd To: Luciano Rottava da Silva Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:24:31 -0000 I'll take a look at why xview is segfaulting on amd64. Hopefully it's something stupid. As for xvfilemgr - wow, that's a project that hasn't been updated in a long time. :( I couldn't even get it to finish running configure. -a On 26 November 2014 at 17:12, Luciano Rottava da Silva wrote: > Hello, > > Just to let you know and for the records, I've managed to run olvwm in > FreeBSD 10.1 amd64. > > Since copying files from a i386 Linux machine was not working out, I've > decided to compile all packages. > > So I did the following: > > 1. Setup a jail running a fresh FBSD 10.1 i386. > 2. Started building ports for xview* and all packages I was interested to. > 3. Moved files from jail to my amd64 machine. > > After adjusting some env vars, I had the pleasure to run this beautiful and > light wm which brings me very good memories from the 90's when I used to > spend some nights in front of Sparc stations. > > Now I have an almost 100% funcional working environment. > > I am missing only one thing, a xview-based file manager too. Tried to > compile xvfilemgr but was not successfull. > > Question, is there anybody out there also still using ol(v)wm? If so, could > you please share with me the binary for xvfilemgr? > > And for last, cmdtool and shelltool were built from ports correctly but are > not working. Everytime I try to exec them, they complain about "pty's". > > [luciano@desktop ~/app32/bin]$ ./shelltool > All pty's in use > XView error: NULL pointer passed to xv_set > > I guess this version from ports was patched to fix this error, but it seems > it is not. > > Best Regards, > Luciano. > > On 23 November 2014 at 00:21, Luciano Rottava da Silva > wrote: > >> Someone could please explain what is going on? I am afraid I have no more >> ideas. >> >> ### binary olvwm from latest i386 FreeBSD package, downloaded and expanded >> in a temp dir: >> >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # file olvwm >> olvwm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), >> dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 9.1, stripped >> >> ### checking shared libs dependency: >> >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ldd olvwm >> olvwm: >> libXpm.so.4 => not found (0) >> libolgx.so.3 => /usr/lib32/libolgx.so.3 (0x280ad000) >> libXext.so.6 => not found (0) >> libX11.so.6 => not found (0) >> libm.so.5 => /usr/lib32/libm.so.5 (0x280bb000) >> libc.so.7 => /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x280e4000) >> >> ### checking if missing libs are known by the system: >> >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ldconfig -32 -r | head -2 >> /var/run/ld-elf32.so.hints: >> search directories: /usr/lib32:/usr/local/lib32/compat >> >> ### double checking (the same result for all missing libs): >> >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # file /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4 >> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel >> 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, not stripped >> >> ### RPATH says what? >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # readelf -d olvwm >> >> Dynamic section at offset 0x44014 contains 26 entries: >> Tag Type Name/Value >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXpm.so.4] >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libolgx.so.3] >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXext.so.6] >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libX11.so.6] >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.5] >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.7] >> 0x0000000f (RPATH) Library rpath: [/usr/local/lib] >> >> ### trying to change RPATH with below setenv >> >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # cat /root/.cshrc | grep LIBRARY >> setenv LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib32/compat:/usr/lib32 >> >> ### no success. )-: >> >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ./olvwm >> /usr/local/lib/libXpm.so.4: unsupported file layout >> >> >> What can I do? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Luciano. >> >> >> On 22 November 2014 at 13:34, Luciano Rottava da Silva >> wrote: >> >>> No chaps, I am not trying to compile xview or olvwm. I am just trying to >>> run them - the FreeBSD 32-bit version - on my amd64. >>> >>> So I downloaded the binary packages, xview* and olvwm from ftp server. >>> >>> Then untar and now trying to put the 32-bit version of the shared >>> libraries in the right paths in order to run olvwm. >>> >>> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # readelf -d olvwm >>> >>> Dynamic section at offset 0x44014 contains 26 entries: >>> Tag Type Name/Value >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXpm.so.4] >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libolgx.so.3] >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXext.so.6] >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libX11.so.6] >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.5] >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.7] >>> 0x0000000f (RPATH) Library rpath: [/usr/local/lib] >>> >>> Like I said, problem seems to be related to library path. Readelf output >>> shows that, RPATH var env. >>> >>> Searching mailing list archive I found this, which is exactly my problem: >>> >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-May/067787.html >>> >>> Question is; how make RPATH search for 32-bit version of libX11, libXext >>> and libXpm? >>> >>> My .cshrc has a setenv LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib32/compat, but >>> that did not help. >>> >>> More ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Luciano. >>> >>> >>> On 22 November 2014 at 11:21, Bernt Hansson wrote: >>> >>>> On 2014-11-22 13:45, Bernt Hansson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Xview is broken. >>>>> >>>>> On 2014-11-22 07:45, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hm! Well, that doesn't look like it's a problem with a 64 bit system >>>>>> in particular - see where that .tmpl file is supposed to be? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> :/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/xview # make >>>> ===> xview-3.2.1.4.19c_1 depends on executable: mkfontdir - found >>>> ===> xview-3.2.1.4.19c_1 depends on executable: mkfontscale - found >>>> ^[ (escape) menu ^y search prompt ^k delete line ^p prev li ^g >>>> prev page >>>> make -f Imakefile >>>> "Imakefile", line 3: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 4: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 5: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 9: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 10: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 11: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 20: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 21: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 38: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 39: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 42: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 43: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 44: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 45: Missing dependency operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 46: Missing dependency operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 47: Missing dependency operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 48: Missing dependency operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 49: Missing dependency operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 50: Missing dependency operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 53: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 54: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 63: Missing dependency operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 101: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 102: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 103: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 143: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 144: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 145: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 165: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 166: Need an operator >>>> "Imakefile", line 167: Need an operator >>>> make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue >>>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 18:26:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DC9BA63 for ; 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FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> In-Reply-To: <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:26:34 -0000 Whoops.... My bad... This was in the drafts folder. Apparently, I didn't sent it to the list. P. *snip* >> I absolutely agree. I have a large line conditioner I pulled from a >> mini- >> frame that was being decommissioned and scrapped. It filters line noise, >> spikes, transients, high-freq noise, etc, and contains a constant >> voltage >> transformer that can even buck up short line voltage sags. There is >> no such >> advantage to having/using such a beast only to place a non pure-sine >> wave >> UPS between it and the computers. Defeats the purpose of having it in >> the >> first place as such units will only reintroduce all the crap the line >> conditioner cleans up. >> >> Of course, the obvious idea would be to put the UPS in front of the line >> conditioner, but that's also a no-go for various other reasons. >> >> Was just bringing this up to say: spend the extra money and get >> something >> good. My main background early in life was analog electronics and RF, >> before >> I got into computers. I've been looking around for something >> inexpensive for >> home use, but my show-stopper spec is I won't use anything that isn't >> pure >> sine wave. And that translates to $$$. Haven't found anything yet >> that is >> inexpensive and satisfies my requirements. > > A 750VA or 1000VA SmartUPS can be had for around $250, and every now > and the big box stores and Walmart carry them for around $300. Not > too bad considering what you get. First off, again, these UPSes are not double sine wave, they are stepped. You can get one for cheap, but, again, how much value do you place on your server and the information it has? If you're looking at APC, you have to look at their 'server class' UPS. They start (I think) at 1500VA and about $850. Also, someone mentioned Eaton, I've had several. The story with each of them is bad. The electronics failed in each instance and Eaton was not helpful at all. They told me they would send a 'technician' for $175/hr to just diagnose the problem. No thanks.... As I said, the Opti-UPS I got was cheap... 2000VA 1400W and was < $1000 shipped to me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 18:28:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE338B18 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from luigi.brtsvcs.net (luigi.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:1000:1f00::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87F56149 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luigi.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3AA392D4F8F; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 137791616; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:28:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:28:54 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Pathiakis , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:28:58 -0000 On 11/28/2014 10:22 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > I agree with Warren on this, I've done the same. > > The only issue with this is the proper disposal of the old batteries. Lead-acid batteries are recyclable. > from their web site, under the SMT750 Features page: > > * Pure sine wave output on battery:Simulates utility power to provide > the highest degree of compatibility for active PFC (power factor > corrected) servers and sensitive electronics. > > "Simulates" utility power. This is the sneaky little bit of marketing. > Saying it's sine output.... It is, but it's simulated. I've been roped > in by the APC marketing machine previously. Rather than trying to read between the lines and conjecturing, hook one up to an oscilloscope. It's a sine wave. The waveform I get out of mine (I have whole lot of SMT-series units) is actually *cleaner* than the mains power. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 19:02:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5315B2C2; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x234.google.com (mail-lb0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1E0C757; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id l4so5844472lbv.39 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:02:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lBnmSL4MtO6yzjPvGR1ow47zyxNUXTtOmuU0od/3qS8=; b=MmQMXPwdzs6vFoekoHqhxKJfv9/wJgmewmgf+61ntO0YwwnY+6CuB4Rh2hWYNmik8g HxBBIpRXz6VK+cukFOtHdKAc3iasSHfEvmA9G8vUhJMCo/9xyKpiuscINty3D9ek9zNm sCxVoXqYZiYJ6RTsyJB9Qz831FXpv1vjQ7bVG++Z86LPnGScDJNXg/UZiKyHqn1hltvB DDvzAcMATTs7gQAOpnq9zKiHI28gZ5u/03LOXPrdDQSao+IzSMup5QaR3omtrDOdaVdL mBbBcEIeOZycWeZ7WQzg1qmXgJUUwByET0rstz1pby2hi2BnSCYQ/kR6hfZKI/KuBoIz v3CA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.167.130 with SMTP id zo2mr45252875lbb.4.1417201357028; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.168.136 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:02:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <546E5D2D.6010603@gmail.com> <54700218.8090300@bananmonarki.se> <54708578.5070401@bananmonarki.se> <54708DC4.8070209@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:02:36 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: olvwm on amd64 From: Luciano Rottava da Silva To: Adrian Chadd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:02:40 -0000 I appreciate that Adrian. xview-clients package compiles fine, but does not run. There are several posts about this problem, a well known problem by the way= . http://physionet.incor.usp.br/physiotools/xview/ Regarding "xvfilemgr", me too, could not get thru configure. But I wonder why. should not be a problem since all libs are available. Maybe it=C2=B4s related to Xorg (XFree86 back then). It would be great to have xvfilemgr, I love that file manager. Regards, Luciano. On 28 November 2014 at 16:24, Adrian Chadd wrote: > I'll take a look at why xview is segfaulting on amd64. Hopefully it's > something stupid. > > As for xvfilemgr - wow, that's a project that hasn't been updated in a > long time. :( I couldn't even get it to finish running configure. > > > > -a > > > On 26 November 2014 at 17:12, Luciano Rottava da Silva > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Just to let you know and for the records, I've managed to run olvwm in > > FreeBSD 10.1 amd64. > > > > Since copying files from a i386 Linux machine was not working out, I've > > decided to compile all packages. > > > > So I did the following: > > > > 1. Setup a jail running a fresh FBSD 10.1 i386. > > 2. Started building ports for xview* and all packages I was interested > to. > > 3. Moved files from jail to my amd64 machine. > > > > After adjusting some env vars, I had the pleasure to run this beautiful > and > > light wm which brings me very good memories from the 90's when I used t= o > > spend some nights in front of Sparc stations. > > > > Now I have an almost 100% funcional working environment. > > > > I am missing only one thing, a xview-based file manager too. Tried to > > compile xvfilemgr but was not successfull. > > > > Question, is there anybody out there also still using ol(v)wm? If so, > could > > you please share with me the binary for xvfilemgr? > > > > And for last, cmdtool and shelltool were built from ports correctly but > are > > not working. Everytime I try to exec them, they complain about "pty's". > > > > [luciano@desktop ~/app32/bin]$ ./shelltool > > All pty's in use > > XView error: NULL pointer passed to xv_set > > > > I guess this version from ports was patched to fix this error, but it > seems > > it is not. > > > > Best Regards, > > Luciano. > > > > On 23 November 2014 at 00:21, Luciano Rottava da Silva < > rottava@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Someone could please explain what is going on? I am afraid I have no > more > >> ideas. > >> > >> ### binary olvwm from latest i386 FreeBSD package, downloaded and > expanded > >> in a temp dir: > >> > >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # file olvwm > >> olvwm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), > >> dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 9.1, stripped > >> > >> ### checking shared libs dependency: > >> > >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ldd olvwm > >> olvwm: > >> libXpm.so.4 =3D> not found (0) > >> libolgx.so.3 =3D> /usr/lib32/libolgx.so.3 (0x280ad000) > >> libXext.so.6 =3D> not found (0) > >> libX11.so.6 =3D> not found (0) > >> libm.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib32/libm.so.5 (0x280bb000) > >> libc.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x280e4000) > >> > >> ### checking if missing libs are known by the system: > >> > >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ldconfig -32 -r | head -2 > >> /var/run/ld-elf32.so.hints: > >> search directories: /usr/lib32:/usr/local/lib32/compat > >> > >> ### double checking (the same result for all missing libs): > >> > >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # file /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4 > >> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Int= el > >> 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, not stripped > >> > >> ### RPATH says what? > >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # readelf -d olvwm > >> > >> Dynamic section at offset 0x44014 contains 26 entries: > >> Tag Type Name/Value > >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXpm.so.4] > >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libolgx.so.3= ] > >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXext.so.6= ] > >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libX11.so.6] > >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.5] > >> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.7] > >> 0x0000000f (RPATH) Library rpath: [/usr/local/li= b] > >> > >> ### trying to change RPATH with below setenv > >> > >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # cat /root/.cshrc | grep LIBRARY > >> setenv LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib32/compat:/usr/lib32 > >> > >> ### no success. )-: > >> > >> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # ./olvwm > >> /usr/local/lib/libXpm.so.4: unsupported file layout > >> > >> > >> What can I do? > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Luciano. > >> > >> > >> On 22 November 2014 at 13:34, Luciano Rottava da Silva < > rottava@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> No chaps, I am not trying to compile xview or olvwm. I am just trying > to > >>> run them - the FreeBSD 32-bit version - on my amd64. > >>> > >>> So I downloaded the binary packages, xview* and olvwm from ftp server= . > >>> > >>> Then untar and now trying to put the 32-bit version of the shared > >>> libraries in the right paths in order to run olvwm. > >>> > >>> root@desktop:/tmp/XVIEW/bin # readelf -d olvwm > >>> > >>> Dynamic section at offset 0x44014 contains 26 entries: > >>> Tag Type Name/Value > >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXpm.so.4= ] > >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libolgx.so.= 3] > >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libXext.so.= 6] > >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libX11.so.6= ] > >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.5] > >>> 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.7] > >>> 0x0000000f (RPATH) Library rpath: > [/usr/local/lib] > >>> > >>> Like I said, problem seems to be related to library path. Readelf > output > >>> shows that, RPATH var env. > >>> > >>> Searching mailing list archive I found this, which is exactly my > problem: > >>> > >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-May/067787.htm= l > >>> > >>> Question is; how make RPATH search for 32-bit version of libX11, > libXext > >>> and libXpm? > >>> > >>> My .cshrc has a setenv LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib32/compat, bu= t > >>> that did not help. > >>> > >>> More ideas? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Luciano. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 22 November 2014 at 11:21, Bernt Hansson > wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 2014-11-22 13:45, Bernt Hansson wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Xview is broken. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2014-11-22 07:45, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hm! Well, that doesn't look like it's a problem with a 64 bit syst= em > >>>>>> in particular - see where that .tmpl file is supposed to be? > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> :/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/xview # make > >>>> =3D=3D=3D> xview-3.2.1.4.19c_1 depends on executable: mkfontdir - = found > >>>> =3D=3D=3D> xview-3.2.1.4.19c_1 depends on executable: mkfontscale = - found > >>>> ^[ (escape) menu ^y search prompt ^k delete line ^p prev li ^g > >>>> prev page > >>>> make -f Imakefile > >>>> "Imakefile", line 3: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 4: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 5: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 9: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 10: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 11: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 20: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 21: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 38: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 39: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 42: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 43: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 44: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 45: Missing dependency operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 46: Missing dependency operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 47: Missing dependency operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 48: Missing dependency operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 49: Missing dependency operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 50: Missing dependency operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 53: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 54: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 63: Missing dependency operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 101: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 102: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 103: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 143: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 144: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 145: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 165: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 166: Need an operator > >>>> "Imakefile", line 167: Need an operator > >>>> make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 19:25:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF9A18CF for ; 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FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> In-Reply-To: <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:25:05 -0000 Darren, Sorry, haven't had an oscilloscope for a long time. :-( Also, you can't really measure double conversion sine on UPS, just what's output. The first conversion happens going from power to the internal circuitry in the UPS going from AC to DC. The second conversion happens going from internal DC to external AC. Yes, they are recyclable. You have to get to the recycle center, not throw them in the trash. I'm not trying to read between the lines. Anything that does not specifically say 'Double Sine Wave Conversion' is not; this is probably the safer bet. I would hope that any power coming out of any UPS is cleaner than whats coming over the miles of power lines to your building/outlet. However, when it spikes, browns out, etc (any fluctuation - major or minor) what's coming out of the unit at that point needs to be PFC at the level necessary to not damage the PSU or anything beyond it. That is the end of my input on this thread. It's become time consuming. I believe a lot of people get what I'm saying here. P. On 11/28/2014 13:28, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 11/28/2014 10:22 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >> I agree with Warren on this, I've done the same. >> >> The only issue with this is the proper disposal of the old batteries. > > Lead-acid batteries are recyclable. > >> from their web site, under the SMT750 Features page: >> >> * Pure sine wave output on battery:Simulates utility power to provide >> the highest degree of compatibility for active PFC (power factor >> corrected) servers and sensitive electronics. >> >> "Simulates" utility power. This is the sneaky little bit of marketing. >> Saying it's sine output.... It is, but it's simulated. I've been roped >> in by the APC marketing machine previously. > > Rather than trying to read between the lines and conjecturing, hook > one up to an oscilloscope. It's a sine wave. The waveform I get out > of mine (I have whole lot of SMT-series units) is actually *cleaner* > than the mains power. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 19:47:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4105FCE3 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x230.google.com (mail-yh0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0384AD9 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i57so3291622yha.21 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:47:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KByJP0BGnJXVKaSaeBP8xlW+p2uLFYj+5ydmCbg3CVU=; b=hGJlutTBUNPEM2PTYX9k5HUODbVlcsA/wfqrlLSarwJy94SqIngKVmYqGPDV1D3SX8 mqoZDeJ8zseRREWXtnF06OfybI9ieZ+9NypCnrBpjKVuUXnbrxfIfZCHDtxkq/Dcu5fW hbPAVszNhQhO/EaPjl96cei76LnHXJICgDrSgJkJ6lH8rYZJL0/E74sAhpmgi28aureY 7O+LWQ2UJwj/x3bolBTJvttzrkIpz177vAUFwv2+/nyrbGgtAGdX5senMS1+kHKvIWpg 7chRTyQ9PnzkkoVtlMf2EVrBVKe7CgLtl5bX6/kOBWinLR+WtgtD4RauPxwCntI9gFZP j4qg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.198.150 with SMTP id p144mr52207625yke.33.1417204026136; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.90.131 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:47:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141128174840.6fa1bbb65c1d81e1f25f216e@yahoo.es> References: <20141128174840.6fa1bbb65c1d81e1f25f216e@yahoo.es> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:47:06 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Installing from running FreeBSD From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Eduardo Morras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:47:07 -0000 On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a server running FreeBSD 9.2-p15. I want to upgrade it to release > 10.1 with minimal shutdown so I'm thinking about installing 10.1 in a new > partition running the 10.1 installer from 9.2., configure the system, > install and configure ports, and then restart with 10.1. I never did it > before nor know if it can be done and some questions emerge: > > a) Did someone tried it before? > b) Can it be done safety/ly? > c) How can I install ports or pkgs in 10.1 partition from 9.2, perhaps > with the pkg jail (-j) option? > > Thanks in advence > > > --- --- > Eduardo Morras > My application : I have a FreeBSD server . I want to switch to a Linux server . In another computer , I have installed Linux , and I have tested it that is working very well by copying some files into it from a client computer . >From a client : Currently it is connected to FreeBSD server . By defining a second NFS server in Linux in its "fstab" file , I am obtaining access to both servers from the same computer at the same time . I am copying all of the contents of the FreeBSD server into Linux server . In the servers : I am disconnecting FreeBSD server from the network . I am changing IP of the Linux server to the FreeBSD server IP number . The same can be applied to second server as a FreeBSD server . After installation , HDD of the second server may be moved to first server by modifying its IP number to make it the same of the first server to allow clients to connect without any change . For this you need a spare computer which may not be server quality one . Thank you very much . 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Too funny, I didn't followed this thread, but randomly read this mail. Since more than 20 years ago, when switching power supply became the standard power supplies for most gear, most unpleasantness is caused by impact of switching power supplies to the mains. "Very low cost SMPSs may couple electrical switching noise back onto the mains power line, causing interference with A/V equipment connected to the same phase." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply Are there other switching power supplies, than "Very low cost" once used in averaged households? "miles of power lines to your building" aren't the issues nowadays, the power switching supplies inside our buildings pollute the mains. Regards, Ralf PS: 99,999999999999% when I needed to repair broken gear in the last years, I needed to repair a f...ine switching power supply. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 21:14:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FDD6FD9 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:14:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFA19354 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sASLEDgd090162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sASLECLq090159; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:14:12 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Paul Pathiakis Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:14:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:14:15 -0000 On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > Sorry, haven't had an oscilloscope for a long time. :-( Thanks to the web, here are some photos: http://www.pbase.com/wlarmon/ups_waveforms http://www.jkovach.net/projects/powerquality/ http://www.repeater-builder.com/backup-power/su1000-xl-mod.html The Smart-UPS 420 is the stepped wave model I was thinking of earlier. Also, I have seen what I think is that second unit, the Back-UPS XS 1300, working acceptably well with a FreeBSD system. The Smart-UPS 1000 shown last is functionally similar to the SUA1500. The differences are number and size of batteries and inverter capacity. The SUA1500 has both serial and USB connection. Some of the older, smaller APC units are serial only. Finally, sysutils/apcupsd lets you connect one computer to the UPS directly and act as a server. Other computers can be powered off the same UPS and interact with the server over the net. 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You could never tell if it was the initial power unless you got it at the junction of where it connected into the building. About 50% of the time, it was horrible due to terrible, old infrastructure. (I'm in New England and some of it is STILL that way except I'll get an Electrical guy to run the power through an oscilloscope (so, yes, I still see them occasionally.) and prove to me it's clean coming in.) After that, right after the main junction of where you will be drawing power for your UPS - mainly, I deal with floor mounted units. (The large building breaker(s)), is the next place to test. The worst place of the 'unclean' power I've ever seen was a renovated gun barrel machining factory. Get this, the main junction breaker, was a piece of bimetallic chunk of metal 1500 kVA circuit designed to melt upon overload. *shiver*) And, yes, switching UPS are a bane. The early ones had a seriously loud audible 'click' upon switch over. I was educated by an Electrical Engineer (I'm CompSci) about 'simulated' sine wave. Good ones can even look like a real sine wave not square or stepped but they still are not. However, 'truth in advertising' won't allow them to put 'double conversion sine wave' on it without it being true. He told me that was the key and everyone tries every type of wording but will fall short of that phrase. Words like 'simulated' 'sine wave' 'sine wave conversion' (this last one is the attempt to just have a single conversion, usually the second which is less expensive) etc are just marketing games. After this thread, I had to revisit locations to make sure I wasn't spouting crap or misinforming. I started to have a doubt. I found this which seems to be pretty solid. I believe it someone mentioned UltraUPS. http://www.controlledpwr.com/whitepapers/uutopla1.pdf "miles of power lines to your building" aren't the issues nowadays, the power switching supplies inside our buildings pollute the mains. Regards, Ralf PS: 99,999999999999% when I needed to repair broken gear in the last years, I needed to repair a f...ine switching power supply. Anyhow, everyone have a good day/night and weekend, P. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 23:15:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAA0F849 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-x233.google.com (mail-vc0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B9249E for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id le20so3237985vcb.24 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=wNmejxTyI4gI528r5KF4vMrWBQQLPK4gnppRgIWYlkA=; b=sDbCYHgimuP7CL5r4WFRXOczyvzrIOQ3mza8JBPn7xDSZEceJLg7YzYH7zV1NVwUPK 7OD2xGv7p3ZB9e5pRPqRWxtDms3FrwxSM+lrQAvNGim46O5UKPeZm0+GPp2dKJbvXp3G JIKy/SxsrVNAMGmLbS1uhvtxc5fM7goUZ8cSzOpNhtfe6iVtu5mHqXfScrT8omqGyKPI y8k8rh1pqqwlHk5jDJCOdxawlMp2tKD7qZM0enoqMHfeu4gwC6d2BMA5S+J8VeA9uP6U fbtZxAGxu+WO88J1MoQ8OdhJa+42vsWpI7RhJpwF3fwyWYT0ki5mIthEzKywdUgemxaK 7V+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.7.98 with SMTP id i2mr20049797vda.18.1417216524468; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.137.17 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:15:24 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD From: Mike Starr To: Paul Pathiakis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:15:25 -0000 I haven't thought too much about this either, but how much does power supply have to do with which os one uses? Just a thought. On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > I guess I'm just that old. ;-) > > I used to see a lot of issues with the power coming in. You could never > tell if it was the initial power unless you got it at the junction of where > it connected into the building. About 50% of the time, it was horrible due > to terrible, old infrastructure. (I'm in New England and some of it is > STILL that way except I'll get an Electrical guy to run the power through > an oscilloscope (so, yes, I still see them occasionally.) and prove to me > it's clean coming in.) After that, right after the main junction of where > you will be drawing power for your UPS - mainly, I deal with floor mounted > units. (The large building breaker(s)), is the next place to test. The > worst place of the 'unclean' power I've ever seen was a renovated gun > barrel machining factory. Get this, the main junction breaker, was a piece > of bimetallic chunk of metal 1500 kVA circuit designed to melt upon > overload. *shiver*) > > And, yes, switching UPS are a bane. The early ones had a seriously loud > audible 'click' upon switch over. > > I was educated by an Electrical Engineer (I'm CompSci) about 'simulated' > sine wave. Good ones can even look like a real sine wave not square or > stepped but they still are not. However, 'truth in advertising' won't > allow them to put 'double conversion sine wave' on it without it being > true. He told me that was the key and everyone tries every type of wording > but will fall short of that phrase. Words like 'simulated' 'sine wave' > 'sine wave conversion' (this last one is the attempt to just have a single > conversion, usually the second which is less expensive) etc are just > marketing games. > > After this thread, I had to revisit locations to make sure I wasn't > spouting crap or misinforming. I started to have a doubt. > > I found this which seems to be pretty solid. I believe it someone > mentioned UltraUPS. > > http://www.controlledpwr.com/whitepapers/uutopla1.pdf > > "miles of power lines to your building" aren't the issues nowadays, the > power switching supplies inside our buildings pollute the mains. > > Regards, Ralf > > PS: 99,999999999999% when I needed to repair broken gear in the last > years, I needed to repair a f...ine switching power supply. > > Anyhow, everyone have a good day/night and weekend, > > > P. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 23:17:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A213D8DD for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48477B8 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141128231703.LGZI30965.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:17:03 -0500 Received: from macbook.local.popelka.us ([72.205.45.227]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id MBH21p00M4u5WUQ01BH3rr; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:17:03 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.5479026F.00E5,ss=1,re=0.001,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=H/cFNZki c=1 sm=1 a=KPoI11KysOGbLPnGgDkkuA==:17 a=9m6O-4QWAOYA:10 a=7iEtoe6eMPYA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=u5yfgz93AAAA:8 a=v2ztYnMHAAAA:8 a=j4nzMFrpAAAA:8 a=SOfI9uPVHPMR4keIbqEA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=KPoI11KysOGbLPnGgDkkuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=arickp@cox.net Message-ID: <5479026E.7040001@cox.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:17:02 -0500 From: Eric Popelka Reply-To: starrtennis@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: UPS for FreeBSD References: <149f01247db.c743b0f9466735.8510792559500349538@bsdjunk.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:17:10 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Mike, 1. Go to https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions 2. Scroll to the bottom; look for the textbox next to "Unsubscribe/edit options". Enter e-mail. 3. Enter p/w, click "Log-in" 4. Scroll down, look for "Set Digest Mode" under "Your freebsd-questions Subscription Options" On 11/27/14 8:14 AM, Mike Starr wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mike Starr > Date: Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:14 AM Subject: > Re: UPS for FreeBSD To: chris > > > As an aside, would anyone know how to digestify this mail list's > content? > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:06 PM, chris wrote: > >> >> Didn't you post the same thing here before ? >> ------------------------------------- Chris Petrik FreeBSD >> Developer E on FreeBSD ------ As in certain cults it is possible >> to kill a process if you know its true name. -- Ken Thompson and >> Dennis M. Ritchie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:48:36 -0600 Alejandro Imass< >> aimass@yabarana.com> wrote ---- >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm looking to buy a UPS for a server I have at home that will >>> work with FreeBSD and can signal for server via USB to >>> gracefully shutdown when >> power >>> goes out. >>> >>> Do any of these work with FreeBSD via USB? >>> >>> - CyberPower Standby CP425SLG UPS - CyberPower Standby CP550SLG >>> UPS - Tripp Lite ECO Series 350VA UPS - Tripp Lite ECO Series >>> 550VA UPS >>> >>> Or any other off-the-shelf inexpensive UPS that I can buy at >>> Staples or Best Buy that will work with FreeBSD via USB to shut >>> down the server gracefully. >>> >>> TIA, Alejandro Imass >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To >>> unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To >> unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUeQJuAAoJEBQPax3MeNrTP4oQAKQzbTF3nWJlE20kZc05Hc7h GwbEkbM1pT+0up9agoY+Kki+hjbOfkc2ileirs1noP3QaE2zfa2LWLmAIzS6hqeU IpI/zd9VZiWpSlwFcBrg9DI40gj0wY3QS3YHO4AvGQ+QxPfXJ8y92EjsxM5qSIw/ 41/Jf6kPws5G5qOg8fFMfBY1i4gFUaTFh/EgjR9ns5jsL73dnHri5nTpD6m3ye6H IJJwsmM8rwyQs9Z7lgeZXgmjH9L5LVkjErPQOIJn2jDgdCqRs1KEtjj/kA33r8Y6 3gk0X95LIMx4hyrF6rgOlMWsn/akYLzNrjboaF8+NfFOMlRZ3/DpC5A53do7WCym 2w6/KYoC1Zz2p/X9/LGKg/yBZB7j5KQN3zZDkbaSwgJzfu7MRTrIWjKl0GJ36l5o sSSBEc9/kkVFri3JCJwuiWWIFDaFuAKb1Wzc/qOckmOykbUplqmzFr9Xh/z+QPpE L/bJ7yim13qArCRNKlAJMEEgqyRUJ+mG9ABUrzC58z8HY/Y1p7z+88WCFrtC1pGl XRMJ4Qw/vzkT43fdx10rVqnKrfUyNZ75wfwdb2aYov9FLlSH65qPCVHWYZ//7ieP mR1jwo8S5Exu9D0dn8G6scUPm4FMT9LiohwwlrsMfGr0hkFsgUDMR9ahl+QKF4gu +CNzqMZ/5erYTjzbCnKu =wAK8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 00:49:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE1F8C97 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (e.febed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.254.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91D63AFB for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAT0teST092795; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:55:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: Paul Pathiakis Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:52 -0000 On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > I guess I'm just that old. ;-) Hey, at least the old ASR-33 has gone to meet its maker. Figuratively speaking. [snip] > Get this, the main junction breaker, was a piece of bimetallic chunk > of metal 1500 kVA circuit designed to melt upon overload. *shiver*) I believe that is called a "fuse." I'm an electrical engineer who doesn't know much about CompSci, so I may have the jargon wrong. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 01:12:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41536E5 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A5F9D3E for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id sAT1CmQw007868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id sAT1Cm4s007867; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA19498; Fri, 28 Nov 14 17:11:26 PST Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:11:22 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: starrtennis@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-Id: <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pathiaki2@yahoo.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:12:59 -0000 Mike Starr wrote: > I haven't thought too much about this either, but how much does > power supply have to do with which os one uses? If you are only using the UPS to cover for outages from momentary up to a few seconds, not much. However, if you want the UPS to notify the OS when the battery starts to get low, so that the OS can shut down cleanly, you need for the OS to support whatever communication mechanism the UPS provides. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 01:26:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AD8726E for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 109F0E0F for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id m8so5706914obr.27 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:26:03 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NUySWDVkdJlCjWmOR+5ycbGMSAPhKacmQ8tlbPKeE2M=; b=fCKlcCBzzUx+d+G1CsU3E5LjtQ7b2xk9XThWNmUc6md+NU11SJ+la16qDMqAfUek7x RJRGKtHGbHlzcmErQaJQndd8ggLJxiMiejM/nqrhmF/K2YrvRJ6jZl8U/GNL5owN+YEg oFx32a8WSbFqTEq71WxKf/DNbw0IEhFg5jrPrnzWBursfD/HzunqTRu3S9i09DhFKjK8 qCe3PbiqRBbNfqJmV4/iAFUeS79M0J+MfxAZbwgMIbpPqpreHDGnBI9iGLlnVOS4EqWy b1XfdBBsbXZaxxL54r9CzI6fuR3ugwkT99/akStrKGk99yyWkpt/XrvJtuzfdoayuhdz mqAg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn13f9X6KPC2PEqDi9Ol1xH7UwzL4nPtWbwFwnMPpgDtChDkDcQz0Gu6GnfVkkeNWSwR95n MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.108.14 with SMTP id h14mr24399456oic.3.1417224363638; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.52.15 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:26:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:26:03 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD From: Michael Sierchio To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:26:10 -0000 I've always found it amazingly absurd that you use a UPS (a bank of batteries charged by AC->DC conversion), invert it back to AC, which gets converted to DC for the motherboard and peripherals. But that's just me, probably. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 01:28:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8408306 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x22d.google.com (mail-ig0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88CD0E25 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f173.google.com with SMTP id r2so10575991igi.12 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:28:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yfqx93HIdkoSZ9qfeMfxO2/G0XEGYimazCD+os348/4=; b=HsddCnEgK0L+O0X8RBZgjSAmIwaV5ncJJyRterVFzXliS9xvlC+d097Iz4eR83WGZH MT1T9FNB2pWsoyQyh9U7hs3noiT/enLBV/MJEVmmQ4lUYZs96cRbaXUX8wIVTxwm1Kci WccquzmpjADCzM/rvH4GRiUk/krjjexhrlQhEeJFcNAGHPQk+RagBmoSMPaxOHaPFTds WKs8ZVsin2BtzknrtsPpoMrX3afmbjI27ZCUQXZFniy9gml0U6In8RRlY0D15NLyAWdT dsDs4HTPJJLPXmaAnkiN0BWYjotE4mla4qwQY1QdgiWlI+CALDM8mMT4Y2savNhC0n7V /Gqw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.179.132 with SMTP id bq4mr37079795icb.61.1417224510058; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.246.130 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:28:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:28:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD From: Mike Starr To: Perry Hutchison Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Paul Pathiakis , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:28:31 -0000 Which explains the whole bioconversion / split battery schematic. I see. So foit! On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Perry Hutchison wrote: > Mike Starr wrote: > > > I haven't thought too much about this either, but how much does > > power supply have to do with which os one uses? > > If you are only using the UPS to cover for outages from momentary > up to a few seconds, not much. > > However, if you want the UPS to notify the OS when the battery > starts to get low, so that the OS can shut down cleanly, you need > for the OS to support whatever communication mechanism the UPS > provides. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 02:13:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87195DBA for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 02:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6116527B for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 02:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id sAT2D59a009772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:13:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id sAT2D5CK009771; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:13:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA19673; Fri, 28 Nov 14 17:49:06 PST Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:49:01 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: pathiaki2@yahoo.com, chris@monochrome.org Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-Id: <5479260d.SuFIN5ZZAEY4zdyE%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 02:13:08 -0000 Chris Hill wrote: > On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Get this, the main junction breaker, was a piece of bimetallic chunk > > of metal 1500 kVA circuit designed to melt upon overload. *shiver*) > > I believe that is called a "fuse." "designed to melt upon overload" is the very definition of a fuse, but bimetallic (in the context of overload protection) sounds like a thermal circuit breaker. I wonder if the combination may indicate that someone is con-fused :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 02:34:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13F3DF3A for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 02:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm37-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm37-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 590F7637 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 02:34:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417228465; bh=EXjt3+zNilUuwy8YFZmW34g2CfJlDNd1C0lSmQ4vo9E=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=VESDK6MFfPmUrLx0uO+aovTb+EYRMesZoZuUAf+JJ3aCPuwFwXReFJhi8JqM9WVr/e2mET8Q0WH1HpkAsCxVva4tXB8xX4QZqgrO9HCf2yfc+aB0AQK4PK/77JxBUDAupvmYsD1LqXLuOfJ3jqgSjMpfTxI6MAAGPZlUMkPaxMA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=lzfEq9efedIdJe26/YK/yvLrjiO6XFGA5VJZPY53lflaNPcy6H0EAE1+OrES1/ngYdzlFSYaCwp6ivxwtVPGpEpHA5kqcP3+eaERL9QU8PU1u0SWSx108lsZz9n1qbBWqzQQck9xc/sZWZPpOqUFxWqaeNURSP3dmS3qED47hRs=; Received: from [212.82.98.52] by nm37.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 02:34:25 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.68] by tm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 02:34:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 02:34:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 88200.45225.bm@smtp105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Cj6Zpn4VM1mSe3EmSPJ7VFK14nt0Hlm.XrcoCm9XUPTPHnG cR75X3xdKHA3mx7OFbPGcX0kJy2PbvxhTmtSKARtZXRM35wIJjYcWo5Oe1TJ 5a4mxc.lFbRDQS0qwfDr4t4XDtf8ykhApzTxmi75hfFRzdJtyq38moXFoMt3 RjSSDjXsBmBA2MDkbfz2oZK5EDc_t3p_8msqaGwHT36snkeEOKUQMrg0NvqM tRGcP7BvC79ZnGlrMO61LwiGcGyIDDvTkku2aNmas2072fTtLxJuNW18nhjp HRXvoYdoo89YyKdw.Ky1QTfoefCPpxr1NqQDcNtiebgqu01UEPnh7naoIpNK PQZbz.nWd6B12fg9f.m71TuBaVN5jIhLykxY0Ce_csvK1HIy3I.0r352..R8 tWpMXq5wt0dngOioBIKNyrb1HdLUq7oRaKt_c87gwNIVtEIU4s3e2d_LBdtk adroT7IDyrswuKghD88iIqAHuf4iLT5boiQieSeDGf1MmjpvfyxdBFcLXCnu xM55nAgmb3C.JEBMfamJj.8tJXkiACSBc1x3kE3yV2Za5Th3d3bPN2vgKIM1 uqSnZ X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:34:22 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129033422.795c0099@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <5479260d.SuFIN5ZZAEY4zdyE%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <5479260d.SuFIN5ZZAEY4zdyE%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-34-g5c904ff (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 02:34:34 -0000 On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:49:01 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > Chris Hill wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > Get this, the main junction breaker, was a piece of bimetallic > > > chunk of metal 1500 kVA circuit designed to melt upon overload. > > > *shiver*) > > > > I believe that is called a "fuse." > > "designed to melt upon overload" is the very definition of a fuse, > but bimetallic (in the context of overload protection) sounds like > a thermal circuit breaker. I wonder if the combination may indicate > that someone is con-fused :) A "1500 kVA" bimetallic thermal circuit breaker? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 03:04:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B51585EF for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:04:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm1-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm1-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05ACFA11 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:04:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417230241; bh=zvzD9gM7hIo2a63eP1cqa4Vy/e9thLU5Fra+iw1RyAk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=B2DtsrlGUcTi5IskMsfVAo8uypuWBMRmJqMgeqnYMbCCMuijYP5PAywo7mw15fRDtrgmT4mj1uajzvQhAhCHF91H7czg1A2K8IfR1HKPh7K28fg2KiERy4aBDN3j2K3ZRzzRP3O8ixZu4pA7VcE4SP78GIlAWwEWUsWeDBxh6zM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=RB2RWES7qYJC5OPS0Tu0S8DfDeCx5BdC5Z+OS38RtS86tiqc3HQB4Cvm/jBO8T2TFACDHfYBPNtkYYfu7qM23eZFCt/LsdP4ivYkVXAAx0yQjyPv2QZ7tqOa71FxmgcGQ0lu06RUSzG8bnQxChEbpfLl0SnlKI9hFuTMaVgkRic=; Received: from [212.82.98.125] by nm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 03:04:01 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.107] by tm18.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 03:04:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp144.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 03:04:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 411425.12828.bm@smtp144.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: lSQfMjwVM1mQ23NKg7EX9_UCXxUOlwlwpptrJMgGboGUVZ4 Jcxk3yJHQO6pnA6dWU6MA2WpIFiGQsZ1b2CVYd5cP7Dc6PcFdXNBdf5C8tuw GlVO7ZeyGByJCanCmh4.0deE33XExTM6Kex4HA5WeDknV_oreCHFhaoPjJ11 rxz0MoZo4S4P2f_UnyyH7SulXerK7ab3sg0meW2NbxSo38DcmBepoRpBP6v2 HlsKOFqGWtXMhb26PRcPv2FUbJLEfWqgImSSlcD4miYj7in5qrjdusx6.pws Mz5XJeZfFRY_L_8H7m2FsAUwNkH.63RWQZ1MBz_M5skpF_wdBhdE9h9l5YGt ai1G4l1KyJtBxpoLL.txaDDOJgAjm4HJ8wry7sBMFiAIhVD6R.i8YtF4aSDF xgkyprl.UvddNyKSHRgP4jG3wL4QwmV4NDjIO1IvAKUkeRrI9KadgUbKE.Q7 WbVlTZW1Q9bcA_SulyoexUWyqlYMi9i3b9mTi1qDHN4.93N7_QVoPNc9KHxW TE5F0mvYEj3j_jd.eEkVtPT4Be4ZK X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:04:00 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129040400.79d7b2a9@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20141129033422.795c0099@archlinux> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <5479260d.SuFIN5ZZAEY4zdyE%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129033422.795c0099@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-34-g5c904ff (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:04:04 -0000 > On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:49:01 -0800 > perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > > Chris Hill wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > > Get this, the main junction breaker, was a piece of bimetallic > > > > chunk of metal 1500 kVA circuit designed to melt upon overload. > > > > *shiver*) > > > > > > I believe that is called a "fuse." > > > > "designed to melt upon overload" is the very definition of a fuse, > > but bimetallic (in the context of overload protection) sounds like > > a thermal circuit breaker. I wonder if the combination may indicate > > that someone is con-fused :) > > A "1500 kVA" bimetallic thermal circuit breaker? PS: We can assume that VA doesn't mean low V * high A, but it likely is high V * high A. Regarding to the much A it must be a big piece of metal and regarding to high V the big piece of metal must bend a lot, to avoid an electric arc. Assumed it isn't a fuse and it is a thermal circuit breaker, I wonder how "fast" the metal bends and what sound is produced when the metal bends. The bimetallic thermal circuit breaker in our dishwashers is for completely different VA. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 03:05:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E51F6E3 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF91CA30 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:05:35 +0000 (UTC) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.16.8 (ClamAV engine v0.97.8) Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:ccb7:60b5:81f1:e33] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 471934; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:05:28 +0000 Message-ID: <547937AB.1030706@radel.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 22:04:11 -0500 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Sierchio , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080008030103010205010404" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:05:36 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080008030103010205010404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/28/14, 8:26 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > I've always found it amazingly absurd that you use a UPS (a bank of > batteries charged by AC->DC conversion), invert it back to AC, which ge= ts > converted to DC for the motherboard and peripherals. > > But that's just me, probably. Hardly. See http://hightech.lbl.gov/dc-powering/ https://gigaom.com/2012/01/13/the-next-big-thing-for-data-centers-dc-powe= r/ etc. It's not storming the world, but some are doing it. --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms080008030103010205010404 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIILBDCC BRowggQCoAMCAQICEG0Z6qcZT2ozIuYiMnqqcd4wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwga4xCzAJBgNV BAYTAlVTMQswCQYDVQQIEwJVVDEXMBUGA1UEBxMOU2FsdCBMYWtlIENpdHkxHjAcBgNVBAoT FVRoZSBVU0VSVFJVU1QgTmV0d29yazEhMB8GA1UECxMYaHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2VydHJ1c3Qu Y29tMTYwNAYDVQQDEy1VVE4tVVNFUkZpcnN0LUNsaWVudCBBdXRoZW50aWNhdGlvbiBhbmQg RW1haWwwHhcNMTEwNDI4MDAwMDAwWhcNMjAwNTMwMTA0ODM4WjCBkzELMAkGA1UEBhMCR0Ix GzAZBgNVBAgTEkdyZWF0ZXIgTWFuY2hlc3RlcjEQMA4GA1UEBxMHU2FsZm9yZDEaMBgGA1UE 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added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 03:34:20 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:26:03 -0800 Michael Sierchio wrote: > I've always found it amazingly absurd that you use a UPS (a bank of > batteries charged by AC->DC conversion), invert it back to AC, which > gets converted to DC for the motherboard and peripherals. a long time, this was not the case. It was the time when linear power supplies were the standard. A batterie was supplying electricity via a diode to the DC input of the voltage regulator. As switching voltage regulators use a few hundred volts, it is a bit difficult to match this with a battery. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 04:05:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF6E3AFB for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm36.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm36.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E1F2EB5 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:05:49 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417233846; bh=a5cnJi7lAyXn3R+TPiiiSS/YxdMo8+muOVBOuj0F9sU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=nCblO9g0nEaevv1OInDuQhx8uZCoabb3XlxVi8o6YX7Hga8cCm0GZ/3VIIxwPKiorGWL0XYPXk+4WyFGee6QgABo0b7RMq1SBnUhc5BEkekh78abffZTE4uXwkXPVZa/Pg1SWPJzGc2yHx0olnrKvuNMxZBo3Kz97JNakldgkOs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=bSdIYq+8hSBG8HrLw1cvSttCR3pFGDtawm8iurr3giuFOLJ4+ieFUXygcvfx1IedIAb3ISFNISCyJCrVYfhZHujnUbioC+xo9aDR/YxIRovTPn0fjmydzW7iZ1VUJfLvc/BOtjZY1OEBu4x5d3dBYbOWCBuhH22JfwqeaMINaAw=; Received: from [212.82.98.59] by nm36.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 04:04:06 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.90] by tm12.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 04:04:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp127.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 04:04:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 607175.35987.bm@smtp127.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: n5j9r7IVM1nGtPGNwxdJKlgGVu63tz2QnFKTTQg.Dw7Uj43 RF_3XHsyAmgIwTKnkpLYyR8ZJyZWm69D0Obd70TnXAyNqshH.xV6GEqHxvY6 9y4KF_i.rKl4H8MXL90_NQ2emSV1nZbwk2jyZoYmskyzrURvzBqzGRau2gon YKJ5toqm_0ZbOVsLSTuPVQql8i54JnhYqPwUu5GvmemBpLQTiLsU9EZYxFqk 1sLo3NH_2FeWhW.pMVPI6mBiFIaf4YAJmF62iiaFH2gcGwDx.gYtQ7jbwIe5 xCfkaPTcb0hAMRXjzj6uCRQvcKG83XgoWRo2dPOzpXoVuoaOU.WJMrtqh_4W y0Lcxdc4ghhn2eUjo_WayfbF9p9cIDEZDS.QRHJd9zhKKyH2qXrsunlaZ81h nlfWehwvS5p0sWHZKH3ZiqiFB8tAdxZ7RKOvgHv.Eo42bj9q4nsIcFV6KJ5l bPqyV_kGrQhGjrKxJVeHoDPmTDMc5mqYvH.6nR0WeJtq0_reGxpxpTqsbD8s 18WKpLQJELzGS4UItCrPIqVr6S4IdxhK_7XXA.Uad8mpLzyy8atZ7gXrRWuW I0P7fhgU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 05:04:05 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129050405.0a17ca3a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-34-g5c904ff (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:05:51 -0000 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:34:05 +0800 Erich Dollansky wrote: > On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:26:03 -0800 > Michael Sierchio wrote: > > > I've always found it amazingly absurd that you use a UPS (a bank of > > batteries charged by AC->DC conversion), invert it back to AC, which > > gets converted to DC for the motherboard and peripherals. > > a long time, this was not the case. It was the time when linear power > supplies were the standard. A batterie was supplying electricity via a > diode to the DC input of the voltage regulator. > > As switching voltage regulators use a few hundred volts, it is a bit > difficult to match this with a battery. Instead of getting an UPS to feed the PSU, it would be smarter to replace the computer's PSU with a combination of UPS and PSU. There's no good reason for a double conversion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 04:12:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A62AFBCD for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AD3CF71 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:12:18 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=VoUf7oZMUaPFoFwDyOyXlApEdJKtTNmdaxBYLwlPxEU=; b=tKjRfrm0Nuj+xprBafiB/lyLuW7z2gZXFEi3Pfc1fWItk96HNxMkOPZge5C4a1QykM2bvPkjjtx4B73aM0HVniVbkfp1gNk/DJNjcW5Y6AhdmtBo2zym8dD2j1zHB7MhZaUQDSwaXh9c6eGkx6BnNFHARkMSEVHL/dnJzI39sbk=; Received: from [114.121.160.118] (port=27745 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XuZOJ-003MhH-P6; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:12:16 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:12:11 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Jon Radel Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129121211.014cb856@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <547937AB.1030706@radel.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <547937AB.1030706@radel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Michael Sierchio , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:12:18 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 22:04:11 -0500 Jon Radel wrote: > On 11/28/14, 8:26 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > > I've always found it amazingly absurd that you use a UPS (a bank of > > batteries charged by AC->DC conversion), invert it back to AC, > > which gets converted to DC for the motherboard and peripherals. > > > > But that's just me, probably. > > Hardly. See > http://hightech.lbl.gov/dc-powering/ > https://gigaom.com/2012/01/13/the-next-big-thing-for-data-centers-dc-power/ > etc. It's not storming the world, but some are doing it. > it is just a hype with two exceptions. Real high voltage transmission lines using DC make sense. Having a DC grid locally could also make sense especially when solar power comes into the game. As all voltage conversations take place via AC, plain DC networks do not and will only very rarely exist. Even solar powered grids need AC for regulating the grid voltage. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 04:41:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE15D22E for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm31-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42C9D343 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:41:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1417235887; bh=IbwLRet321S8Ble7u6CIbaIZGV36Z3o+k9qdOprQhu0=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=lakoJ7seRfk+0eWDVZGcXgNhNb2MwuVTOSSPmM2ergQMhU4q9YFAYb00JqLOqWp/LYndTgQDgyVscjwkkyTQz5Pah35pki5O4VdF7dDy3fjBBEI+3cZgWel57RyPgnaDxHyqQPOjGM7KXlftMHIwfydSXVipndK2MK42QZo28d1N8/uSuvh+KOhgKFff9q2KNqnWX68Oa2E9JZhMKSCaZsTqCmLZ3H3E3QiKnifvY8EI5aq1VAKw/ZKVgvUcqjfl0rnzVVEcrnrmcTMTr/8ULvVCwaAYZDyCP0YVFmC+mov138Jys/ro1dCsBL15XEmb8dJfBBvTFebE13hu09XSLA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=YU4eo5bOGoJEmclOTh6wcYBGR0BeDouBUKykw/MpSppzYHE4IvlHhxO5Gf6Mz0BfJm/r33RbvD11eWY80PeIvgBlgWEa2qVU3tZR3EGKWN+Sv3y0hcJp9/J5PrgzBlYcmst2IY+lkqZnHMyztnJ5c1y4YhEnKDsLYBxD6bQjMbKLYNKRaegvNAz7iudc+ofdsSTmW3incztF7pP5a7LoOTloGRFN8VrAzdKkPS7ssrPBcyNd+s5w7LxhSNtDLk9PYv+PJqeMI511b1jBtqT6wqc+RFezAkwiHZ8HgeE+bS0o42ktRM/mYUf8fMcZnd6GSJa0tdUV/+7PCu62m4tmxg==; Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm31.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 04:38:07 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.161] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 04:38:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp218.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 04:38:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 362282.65086.bm@smtp218.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: QOIFeWAVM1mP9nZDmln8vg6fKfLX_TR9znKZZDT6RMEYneH ahUu7VhtEjRcdzZfWi2d2xG7xh1sscUVdV6IjY7LiGHD7yXdbTlcBMQH2bAF OXPi9xqBsLK199jItxSZR_C5sA10Tn9QF8r.2EGeuHRKd83yfWTmVT04AWoy X6Y.f9NNeFILPJflgiC5a0PcIM6tIrh7DlLq5Z.etcVZa3TfuggfxSLsQa0T 52cUOxnLehFQ3xP2VYJ02jSSwjedvE0pYGuiCAFnnYvoPNy..o3WDb.V8brK t0rC2y0yY75LJUOlfNLVqSrooDnGXIIfj7TjY1xKhAtqLogDemwPMUG8UbDs 2JOGDkEiw4A4Qe3wMQYHgHgUj_ewLR0wFMQkVoKT7.GoHgnpfUr6Uc7D9Zh1 gpvFBGcS967kjfk5Mib58rFhkZX77Qw1Kh7MAmvoCGAhCynolbCbHQNzQW92 Go_vxoRJlFMk2evHEcoiSvK4gwqk10aFuICpD2xyM7T6xTTMmV9AdhaX.LiR hGYjMH4J1In.BzZlAPufYr7Wg X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Message-ID: <54794DA8.60705@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:38:00 -0500 From: Paul Pathiakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Hutchison , chris@monochrome.org Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <5479260d.SuFIN5ZZAEY4zdyE%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <5479260d.SuFIN5ZZAEY4zdyE%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:41:28 -0000 I could very well be. ;-) Con-fused? That is just so wrong on the pun level. However, it was a fuse. My bad in expressing myself and the word choice. :-( It was two types of metal. The outer core was a definitively different metal than the inner core. However, I did not take the time for a metallurgist to come in and tell me what the two metals were. Possibly, and, again, I'm telling you of the experience from back in 2000 or so, the outer core seemed to be copper and the inner was something of softer metal (one you could score with your fingernail). No, I did not touch the active fuse as with my luck I would probably not be here, but the backup fuse on the 'spares' shelf in the junction room. Doesn't anyone think this thread as gone on long enough? P. On 11/28/2014 20:49, Perry Hutchison wrote: > Chris Hill wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> Get this, the main junction breaker, was a piece of bimetallic chunk >>> of metal 1500 kVA circuit designed to melt upon overload. *shiver*) >> I believe that is called a "fuse." > "designed to melt upon overload" is the very definition of a fuse, > but bimetallic (in the context of overload protection) sounds like > a thermal circuit breaker. I wonder if the combination may indicate > that someone is con-fused :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 04:52:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C2B334F for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3FAC604 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:52:40 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=raQnU6piZf5DkrYa6exnhq+AO27vZlA4TfN2AC5n1IQ=; b=uDwMiscM2K1v45Gl6XyMqqMgmdfLfx6lmqzS41htDGPCh93UuaDtZ5PTjucblfIhJazwJpmPpfzUw9LHEqYlmBSoUHjx6QXqLMsaCk1bYXbOIr15RqKnHlVx9FTOlchmK/SSfkn2qWRObEuS3I/HojmzOZmH97dWkK6Omt431nY=; Received: from [114.121.160.118] (port=28257 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Xua1P-003ZFp-Bf; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:52:40 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:52:35 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129125235.5b55ec68@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20141129050405.0a17ca3a@archlinux> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <20141129050405.0a17ca3a@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 04:52:41 -0000 Hi, On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 05:04:05 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:34:05 +0800 > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:26:03 -0800 > > Michael Sierchio wrote: > > > > > I've always found it amazingly absurd that you use a UPS (a bank > > > of batteries charged by AC->DC conversion), invert it back to AC, > > > which gets converted to DC for the motherboard and peripherals. > > > > a long time, this was not the case. It was the time when linear > > power supplies were the standard. A batterie was supplying > > electricity via a diode to the DC input of the voltage regulator. > > > > As switching voltage regulators use a few hundred volts, it is a bit > > difficult to match this with a battery. > > Instead of getting an UPS to feed the PSU, it would be smarter to > replace the computer's PSU with a combination of UPS and PSU. There's > no good reason for a double conversion. have you ever tried to make two voltage regulators feed the same output? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 05:11:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62241798 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 05:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm33-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm33-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.113]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 715437F7 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 05:11:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417237877; bh=8Lcw37g+ZMsRObsjO+fKZd8zk5eP6Ceblw2PUpHA2gE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=khj+V294PKrXlwo73CNNVgFDM4NDYIvQwWt9RXcy33N/kwlUSTTGWI+RC7KRvPfC8dPc8ayN7AjMZ8t9Fw+ZAKJXUxuJDRV7FdT7qXwEkBpZb1BDHVf/ZJWJI6/sQNeuPjPpGRfWf4B7ffsvu1hzM7L/Xh8l1d9gACcACJ0qGzM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=bRjP7Ktt9RxlszYu6cbip3WIcFhC7R4ySGeDf+Q1bVVt9SN2AL+9fjLIS5RiZNyH9zgueiWNOb8lMwRS9XTu0r6X8iyZsaKZ26Lnricp5NwrmhUEvokjcMFLTX6cniw2vOaZp0l3n7MWYsVka74QbbTiLASkzxd1KyKpdhCfo3c=; Received: from [212.82.98.61] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 05:11:17 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.70] by tm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 05:11:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 05:11:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 324807.25633.bm@smtp107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 4wZzJmYVM1n5rZA0z62yLTB0Xzsic9AG1KqjXAlntwuZx7l Eu9RDzxXm7nXY7W998oUUHDXYEg55BXmjEjnCCHU08St19cnexIlJ0WhWXNw LKBFvCOYpnQWn_CNLRElAtnKvlQ3Iqyr0H_xxz_rL3yTMdJoBLOQJJxgjkaT V1ljlPfF416iXqqwpLJ4TeTocpA503zLYIklwE.idq.SgzXkEAoCQ8x2Gu.F I1Thqbc5dKKKCrk37s3CrZOQ8W9uYzE3xILSGiyogMSmrA7trHVRS3alwDRX rKPYxYPkERmMfzBQYJPt0xsTIi7x0UII1mGyF3QNZCe8Gxx3s.uFCiX.vkCa RsvsKQqVDdpIlhQCaBA6Ec.8fAnlw9nnhHaTdbG46S2ZtV4Gr0IxPaP1l2SN 9FxTPWt6Zblydg88c9KokUa6S675hacKziiS5S1st3cNfIOZCS27vni2GdwZ SfS3dUL6gZ0e4Ee4EO19OSsFQC9STqPoomsi04KxsJdR5WjeOCJMWAFLyBqv tWKyPefen8mJmpkjq92s5XBNo0Bh4pSk- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:11:14 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129061114.0dc6ad4a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20141129125235.5b55ec68@X220.alogt.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <20141129050405.0a17ca3a@archlinux> <20141129125235.5b55ec68@X220.alogt.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-34-g5c904ff (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 05:11:29 -0000 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:52:35 +0800 Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 05:04:05 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:34:05 +0800 > > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:26:03 -0800 > > > Michael Sierchio wrote: > > > > > > > I've always found it amazingly absurd that you use a UPS (a bank > > > > of batteries charged by AC->DC conversion), invert it back to > > > > AC, which gets converted to DC for the motherboard and > > > > peripherals. > > > > > > a long time, this was not the case. It was the time when linear > > > power supplies were the standard. A batterie was supplying > > > electricity via a diode to the DC input of the voltage regulator. > > > > > > As switching voltage regulators use a few hundred volts, it is a > > > bit difficult to match this with a battery. > > > > Instead of getting an UPS to feed the PSU, it would be smarter to > > replace the computer's PSU with a combination of UPS and PSU. > > There's no good reason for a double conversion. > > have you ever tried to make two voltage regulators feed the same > output? You're thinking of a design were a PSU voltage regulator output and an UPS voltage regulator output brought together to one output. That's not the design I've got in mind. Perhaps "a combination of UPS and PSU" is an unfortunate choice of words. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 06:05:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58643C30 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C844BF3 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xub9U-0003VK-2L for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:05:04 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.82.127]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:05:04 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:05:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:04:54 -0500 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <547937AB.1030706@radel.com> Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-82-127.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:05:13 -0000 Jon Radel wrote: > On 11/28/14, 8:26 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: >> I've always found it amazingly absurd that you use a UPS (a bank of >> batteries charged by AC->DC conversion), invert it back to AC, which gets >> converted to DC for the motherboard and peripherals. >> >> But that's just me, probably. > > Hardly. See > http://hightech.lbl.gov/dc-powering/ > https://gigaom.com/2012/01/13/the-next-big-thing-for-data-centers-dc-power/ > etc. It's not storming the world, but some are doing it. Google's been doing it for years: http://www.cnet.com/news/google-uncloaks-once-secret-server-10209580/ -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 09:10:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02686613 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5726DBB for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id sAT9AYHJ024676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:10:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id sAT9AY24024675; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:10:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA21011; Sat, 29 Nov 14 00:49:12 PST Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:07 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-Id: <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: kudzu@tenebras.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:10:39 -0000 Erich Dollansky wrote: > As switching voltage regulators use a few hundred volts, > it is a bit difficult to match this with a battery. Depends on how many cells one is willing to string together in series. IIUC the battery in a Toyota Prius supplies a few hundred volts. However, there is no intrinsic reason why a switching regulator _has to_ take a few hundred volts as input. Those under discussion here are set up that way because that is what is easily and cheaply available: 120VAC ==> full-wave rectifier ==> ~300 VDC ==> switching regulator | | 12VDC <--+ | | 5VDC <------+ (That is typical for North America; in Europe the AC would be ~240V and the DC therefore ~600V.) To integrate a UPS with the PSU, one would instead build something along the lines of: multitapped 120VAC ==> step-down ==> 6VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~15VDC ==> battery1 transformer rectifier | +---> 3VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~7.5VDC ==> battery2 rectifier battery1 ==> regulator ==> 12VDC battery2 ==> regulator ==> 5VDC IOW the computer runs off the batteries, which are charged by the stepped-down but unregulated (or minimally-regulated) line voltage. There is nothing the least bit new about this -- the telephone industry was doing it in the mid 20th century. They installed enough battery capacity for their system to run on battery power alone for however long it would take to get their standby generators started up (or for at least a few days in smaller offices that did not have standby generators). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 09:44:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC000E54 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm39-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm39-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.161]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29D9EC9 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:44:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417254287; bh=9GcWExOwddUIUAB7cr7el8HrffxfLzejD3C9pLAQ5zU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=1E4ww3SyH/nTBJTc9hVWwzmYHOMBY84LzYRf+Tc3fg8GEzQ2F0dhn25h7GKlKHk1BWSKBcF5bzurZky9vnhsLH2xWOSy3u8XMDD4g0lVqxmQCTTDyHnbugOf3n+TzTHb6S7pd6VWwsoR8eIRbPgvA+a49HWuofomo3+01vCzx8c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=Ps0/ODSzgiIz6Tuyq0Ln2Mxkhl2OWq5BEe/eoMYDDiqk8JWP396tEbw6by81Ao9mPpZM8KNkRgdThoWvopib4deraYE9LxtybWFsG9k+/fto5ECkeJR+BpwTTc6RBGoAl4h0CqlO+fu5LE5O71UeGK4R2CUuvJOK2OF6FqulMjU=; Received: from [212.82.98.61] by nm39.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 09:44:47 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.87] by tm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 09:44:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp124.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 09:44:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 134000.730.bm@smtp124.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: SYEGz5QVM1lMETE8hPu6J8QGMDBCOV4uJ5vxTRmnNOl4hyG 5tLAwjd5sT83vQj.9PvbP3UP6u1IVxfCcuvpdzIJNEwP1txMtIFCQa7tL5Mb lBkB__GEFRDSIo6ZL3uOchlghs1zY0nR0NVeNu9vgrIMaeM_2C9gq1BQTvvF lWUrBuSrmviT3RXR5eZpDgdb3QwgLJ2ltan.WflbG.hUFTzflz4BOV9twdo3 t__G.tHP8D1q5k6yvWhTQAoQRIQsanZNPOpLKuIoh3z3w9x8aCADRkX219RU 8vC5JDWjBKokc4nzxK5WmZUTA02USHkZwGycnxBiV6QuZMsZ2zFBc4JQemSx 7daDkKAgGEfID1_DhjVIKV2vPYWu6RBeVQrJsmiWt6UOJpwBfYJdzewqteUz qJi2CVpylxaolJcaUnsY5IKEAc6R6CqIUeIgujcHWS8bxRRUs4LA4iFHmEeu kCeaHvevz3MOvfRd0rIvjkgQKBbyc.JGGw6Bc.pReSk3WjSU65W5Yp_rjrFy zWOjW7IyiQz0kgB.bfShWbktihGmBnlv5tcJRZjP407gJRIupqoVpnY8ZvXF QOu4zN9o- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:44:46 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129104446.7850b1b4@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-34-g5c904ff (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:44:56 -0000 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:07 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > multitapped > 120VAC ==> step-down ==> 6VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~15VDC ==> battery1 > transformer rectifier > | > +---> 3VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~7.5VDC ==> battery2 > rectifier > > battery1 ==> regulator ==> 12VDC > > battery2 ==> regulator ==> 5VDC > > IOW the computer runs off the batteries, which are charged by the > stepped-down but unregulated (or minimally-regulated) line voltage. And that already is done and is one design I was thinking about, but I called it the wrong name, Wiki likely knows what the correct name for this design is. As a side effect this is a good mains filter. Another design is possible, perhaps enlarging the lifespan of the batteries, because they are only used when needed and using a switching power supply should be possible too. Regards, Ralf PS: I wonder if consumers are aware that lightning arresters provided by multi-outlet power strips alone don't protect. The protection needs 3 steps, 2 steps must be provided by the buildings electric. The lightning arresters provided by multi-outlet power strips is just the last step, useless without the 2 other steps. Lightning protection in Germany is much more needed, than protection in case of a blackout. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 10:16:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 935B3147 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm28-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm28-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5A1234E for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:16:55 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417256207; bh=vN42rKe6s+9uM3X1t0NKua165+tGV3bkzWnkNuOnl/U=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=Ia66htcOWVma81/nfEqgRo3AFIAR4mmd5Zt9A7e4RL7SVLHAzq11YbgnFFYvSu/ysnF2jdkQl/pY8eg5RvsvVPuTnli9Pn8NRm4gMk6kcrzZtjg0HtCpbSCabQX4Qk1w25FFPFkODOpnSR4GePzCujrccwWoM29hBSn7DvxCvVo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=n5KjL1D1KSD3779YSge8uKUqDbfs1ngJkyHYw5y9MEC9HeQ67nmUvctLYp+EGyxbzd0x0GfgjbvfyjjlYiBMGSOAXi+FqDvAgjdKB3uEa3B4+Tf+olyU8R7OP2tAw6eY5HNQei/ZXHhxQXWJ0RInFXATBSzRP4B4m9CeWQQHfL8=; Received: from [212.82.98.50] by nm28.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 10:16:47 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.98] by tm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 10:16:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp135.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 10:16:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 479742.59825.bm@smtp135.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: JyCSAU4VM1lkurlr69PjsWugg3DWuWZ.KmTKGN_5ZhjHsZV nsAfjCk6EoPZLZ6SHUc0YD8VRKr0OzBCoWMnQP6KtMogASJ6iMslD5dAdZlo pXAWHcv8Bwc6_nsxIJCwI9bHyxOnqJ73DqcG7q3OpOVb8R_l5Dt6SjGnk4Jp XCtgIB592dGTbDPFxqyTR9Mvt2WQ5Li4Haw3NvE89HKWTS1Df6FNEuh2bDB9 U_L7OmA6Frt4rOpyWAlqL7FCpEZMp9QvwXNJCZsP_qn6wq5xBUzRWvQCQ.BX qnDfXHJ0fpYCMraGyseZM0qp.GrJLOmlyP0PtL9uV9_TYF.W4Zi.xbI2t9Cn 5cqNXAXcuYFP8x2B4TWfJU2nnR9hDunxiZbT.04MNIu5DRHAgG_zKTLmJRa4 twyWLHqiy60Oie93UbQS7LFj1n874I1Pzxy_LVG46iL6waKggbt255jTDX4C 496eoqrCgGOvO4t.vpad81rUG4xJu9CiPoZ5alFsWeesc.vK7o0rMHzLo5GT 0sLYK3np.qDQtHFzOaySQXG2unwq4Ig-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:16:46 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129111646.5c32dccd@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-34-g5c904ff (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:16:57 -0000 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:07 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > multitapped > 120VAC ==> step-down ==> 6VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~15VDC ==> battery1 > transformer rectifier > | > +---> 3VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~7.5VDC ==> battery2 > rectifier Now I'm confused. The ratio should be around 1.41, the square root of 2 "-" 1.5V assumed it's a diode bridge rectifier. E.g. 10 VAC * 1,41 = 14,1 14,1 - 1,5 = 12,6 VDC *?* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 10:30:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A852334 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm36-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm36-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABA7160F for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:30:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417257019; bh=vN42rKe6s+9uM3X1t0NKua165+tGV3bkzWnkNuOnl/U=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=m25PjEVhbDRMOVFVagLaTgaFumutQugUgLYYEFZqYMAPlKezIadxNiX9fKsgvDxqvwpUkma75g9RX0nu2lifMtOY5H9Y55J0kfUmtsadyZoTGB4DAxQ9mXv0O2UPOAwQkae8SYlxs4y1MFrkcShcLg9MGJ193f447soOYvloa6c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=Ugnjz7PMlJjAiac3efdpJyplBtSVohISJWQbnPhxLfbMohtQ5JFadHQVAA1VgkALE4e1JgigthvPJa4dWCY/w4vTqEStVaGvkt9GRRJsk11/MsQ5mdHYdlWNljYt+5s62lqXCAR4zzFH+28ihR/sGLxEAfQmE1IRguZX4sm6fIA=; Received: from [212.82.98.58] by nm36.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 10:30:19 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.82] by tm11.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 10:30:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 10:30:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 738976.30264.bm@smtp119.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: wx1VJckVM1mbdFIj36f99Lnao.SauxglsZEpuOe_o6VKY_q bif_VF7yI7vxKgMG5F5b4K9mVTalQ7w5txNKSm7ds58UMCFEsVB8UNEP53.m XFYXOfSZdTnjyrL9xMmf5yhLZGjtE4IpCilyNobMTS5CCpIYHsH.b.3DaaRe PmEcWy5mRC3OHdC.5VypsVWoGDIOR7gfaGPewuNZlsHYpsyosDUYawrd7UFE 911BoopbSCBbMJ17FX4p_gGPSzEXqJIUfDcI16bGzTfIXmSj2Dyw.RkXl5pn cL3VgUjbp8hdJDR_5QSEXkzvLknPucc5C7E.Km7q.OfQnAt6EiO4UvVKzF1d 1mChMmwmsd1WNyCTArxnTFCmqdOciLdP56Zb7o1zbsOiHeetYuB.2PuBc9LU VcO2JHa5sTaQJ49M9I7vZZEjPuECXAf8ItqIWvriV5cOCvDEgz9F7f5JJCOE iDpZZzruNCnAK2tKe3eLpJWwKwdTNkZbuaFBxxDDLxqeX3CFy_C0buCqwSd8 WPd5BYX370DOQ5Y97.sWdSB_VgdT7LA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:30:18 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129113018.17759e2a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-34-g5c904ff (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com, kudzu@tenebras.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:30:29 -0000 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:07 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > multitapped > 120VAC ==> step-down ==> 6VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~15VDC ==> battery1 > transformer rectifier > | > +---> 3VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~7.5VDC ==> battery2 > rectifier Now I'm confused. The ratio should be around 1.41, the square root of 2 "-" 1.5V assumed it's a diode bridge rectifier. E.g. 10 VAC * 1,41 = 14,1 14,1 - 1,5 = 12,6 VDC *?* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 10:32:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A65A3C8 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm14-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm14-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 546CE6B7 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:32:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417257137; bh=Z+T8zmeF8snxcCJ7SUPx2t3+v5Rw0ZTJ/I3/po0LDCQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=wcmyELdOwOuokEbvW4cGBj8YG1Zi4bymWIz2leFMJd+9DWMBGwjko2OCkDA8As2p37tYCxSKKL8ZD7WKjShEodcNElEP5E1j03M74trCqcPtW0QVH22IVnGmwbqs67TSz33mZ0Zvc1LDTYjUgZOz1oFelytyw2gUS3SpUlUqLfs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=jYOUmxZdEaqRKh4vsdExq1uDpsDMId0tPFhrn8bG7VPgtCMUPt1BReZ3Fk85SFSqQGQQDOF86Y4lw8w2WSTCj01KpuUk+BYR1OoBeKuAjtoz6csv+Kok7GJvgqxSYAi+9SXSXGYKnWOgvzvpR2UKMlqqFhSH/uobnHTnxcPzgaU=; Received: from [212.82.98.60] by nm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 10:32:17 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.91] by tm13.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 10:32:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp128.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 10:32:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 923658.19457.bm@smtp128.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 9aCqFGoVM1lTtpwMPj3_G7PGY1brwh2zfXlg.7qtL3pjwc1 UAnb.Tt2RhyGV1cYZEO9YoY2MNizsmwcjtjXerghZAIPHwln8fyRDdMiQ8eN NYSisWHRBIuIGzr8ofjiCRrOWOGjII.Hjzpg6fQxG7YyJodRmJLrg4ZqyRK4 Uj8gGsSOYEgvD1G9qmRLYipACRyAsX1K2swuC.JfaRgta5E.kGGFmqjApSFw I9mDxinIgp4iBwwgZqfdkoKMPWJB_ehvDQq6XZrG2jp307OKRUYF7c2C1kRG Io_DQObvqN6LRg53L3nwEqdKrw6nhsrKbje2BY686jNbwYqAXemuaJJd79MI 3tLf8BA3E_rOzjotjOT9QSqPrcLlGnpbVLmRTNtq3zIGSxEPIm7mQsTw1.l. LBX2CaFjQI.RJgq.UzuG.r8Ozs.H7I30UdWaWymLM3KroiOvhtzksFxeZYGX AgS_HH9DBTVmJyTqr10VYDYTHUSWcx15p5PwF84DhcyG9o5AK7pFntGCTLiz YOO8IAeDQiRzf5G4R5qbd8shT50q_7a8- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:32:11 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129113211.75388406@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-34-g5c904ff (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:32:39 -0000 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:16:46 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:07 -0800 > perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > > multitapped > > 120VAC ==> step-down ==> 6VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~15VDC ==> battery1 > > transformer rectifier > > | > > +---> 3VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~7.5VDC ==> battery2 > > rectifier > > Now I'm confused. The ratio should be around 1.41, the square root of > 2 "-" 1.5V assumed it's a diode bridge rectifier. > > E.g. 10 VAC * 1,41 = 14,1 > 14,1 - 1,5 = 12,6 VDC German writing ;), please replace the ","s with "."s. > > *?* My apologies for sending the mail before this one 2 times :(. 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In order to illustrate my damaged memory, my age and ignorance, but... hasn't that been the concept of many early home computers? The external power supply would generate (something like) 12V DC and feed that into the computer, which would generate stabilized "sub-voltages" (like 5V or 3 V DC) for the components on the mainboard? If I remember correctly, computers like the ZX Spectrum, the C64 and the Amiga 500 could be powered directly from a battery... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From: =?UTF-8?Q?fran=C3=A7ai_s?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:56:26 -0000 Second all the authors of references about computers programming, is necessary develop currently in: Assembly?; KERMIT?; Kermit is a file transfer program written entirely in assembler on many platforms for speed. Kermit is quite large and sophisticated, which was a barrier to entry back in the day before the internet and most communications protocols were standardized. To ease the transition, and taking advantage of the .COM format in DOS, kermit came with a bootstrap program that was made up entirely of printable characters so that one could easily type it in (well, not so easily, but it was possible since it was only maybe a hundred or two bytes long). The authors of this program had to learn which assembler op codes and addressing modes lead to printable characters and write their code accordingly. Not exactly programming directly in machine code, but very close. It was really quite an impressive bootstrap technique. Decimal code?; Octal code?; Hex code?; Code that tweaks other code to do bad things which is another form of writing machine code?; Binary code?; Microcode? Comparing the responses of all the authors of references about computers programming about all the levels of computers programming that I quoted above, exist different opinions? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 19:56:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1923787F for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mario.brtsvcs.net (mario.brtsvcs.net [199.48.128.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBD4EE6A for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (c-71-59-211-166.hsd1.or.comcast.net [71.59.211.166]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mario.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45B122C160D; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29] (ivy.libssl.so [IPv6:2601:7:2580:674:baca:3aff:fe83:bd29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D7B516A0; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:56:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547A24F7.6070100@bluerosetech.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:56:39 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <547937AB.1030706@radel.com> <20141129121211.014cb856@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20141129121211.014cb856@X220.alogt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:56:55 -0000 On 11/28/2014 8:12 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Real high voltage transmission > lines using DC make sense. Someone already tried that. It doesn't work. The conductors have to be impractically large to get a useful amount of current, and the distance loss is so high you can't build even a metro grid with it, let alone a regional grid or the long-distance transmission systems we use now. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 20:22:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26610326 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 20:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x230.google.com (mail-pd0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC68012C for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 20:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f176.google.com with SMTP id y10so8404517pdj.7 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:22:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zQ2lOnXaCfMv0PqcjD5eW0ZbenBcfVp5IsBxrtYw7LM=; b=V8MfI9cMFTkk7H5RNU6MX/RinjBlg02eJeume1T0pQss2sj+tfQiglq6Gjc+dyfgNA Bq5zj59zdoXsIp6XW2GIZ+sE3XVDWfgv7cMSGHxQH0DmqOGcjuduXpAzDrjxEXE3Fyqu p87gWWw8TBDHQbsLMbmeU6I5nDKMNmd5Jwi8DKSVQHDkCB5PThaIzxtS6LWu9DVGOWHo rCmydQqCXvaedIePXHtHCmviUXpDpngLnhngeXx+rm94wFldlGUmRSR+Gh8Y4EcZj2JH yA+NKCd/toW5UUlTz5uAShA3Dkyx35Mg+ZdKJ/f9a1QoNqihG3+U/Ro/He6eGoMKh3dk 8kgw== X-Received: by 10.66.255.100 with SMTP id ap4mr83565523pad.133.1417292539332; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (76-218-80-47.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. [76.218.80.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id op10sm5876430pbc.90.2014.11.29.12.22.18 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:22:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547A2ADD.4020106@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:21:49 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <547937AB.1030706@radel.com> <20141129121211.014cb856@X220.alogt.com> <547A24F7.6070100@bluerosetech.com> In-Reply-To: <547A24F7.6070100@bluerosetech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 20:22:20 -0000 On 11/29/2014 12:56 PM, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 11/28/2014 8:12 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> Real high voltage transmission >> lines using DC make sense. > > Someone already tried that. It doesn't work. The conductors have to > be impractically large to get a useful amount of current, and the > distance loss is so high you can't build even a metro grid with it, > let alone a regional grid or the long-distance transmission systems we > use now. > __ That is correct Darren - Long distance transmission, even for a scan few miles is impractical with DC. But if I had the cash, I would design and build my home with DC current only. No AC. I do not want to go into the reasons, and thus generate a lot of noise about it :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 21:06:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF7DAF3C for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.gsicomp.on.ca (salamander.gsicomp.on.ca [162.243.98.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841576D6 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from HEXEN (CPE14d64d34c415-CM001ac3584898.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.236.187.59]) by mail.gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CF670407C7; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 16:00:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Matt Emmerton" To: "'jd1008'" , References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <547937AB.1030706@radel.com> <20141129121211.014cb856@X220.alogt.com> <547A24F7.6070100@bluerosetech.com> <547A2ADD.4020106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <547A2ADD.4020106@gmail.com> Subject: RE: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 16:04:03 -0500 Message-ID: <01a701d00c18$01a51990$04ef4cb0$@on.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdAMEi7t07JMFJsPTPaQ7ls1Hr2OEwABEcJg Content-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:06:08 -0000 > On 11/29/2014 12:56 PM, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > > On 11/28/2014 8:12 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >> Real high voltage transmission > >> lines using DC make sense. > > > > Someone already tried that. It doesn't work. The conductors have to > > be impractically large to get a useful amount of current, and the > > distance loss is so high you can't build even a metro grid with it, > > let alone a regional grid or the long-distance transmission systems we > > use now. > > > > > That is correct Darren - Long distance transmission, even for a scan few miles is impractical with DC. You might be interested to learn that many electrical utilities across the world use DC transmission systems over hundreds or thousands of kilometers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects Regards, -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 22:19:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62EA87ED for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 22:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2F2ACFF for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 22:18:59 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1417299537; bh=H81lX21P/v3t/mkELZ8Tq3eHAaZCjGVh+rpahogCWfo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=UujnTjKHdSJGEFebJ4ynpmPy5esGq5duoFTLM8qgK1ULebTd5weuFVEYLLm+FQY/cjiuvd/hv4wd/r/ap2Bcp0C5vJMAKY+IEO6LufI9M0pvjyWWNFnpr7haQgiUo7D2VHb+hCA/CzUfr7QIfsSd299MsGE1UvBehJqtj+fkyqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; b=G+Wnu8Aft3ROiGrLS8URLA4UbIb3uYZO6mwxBVkz9dEpuE0qAz4r/GAc9/u8nd2BRrRn/swb6TatqPlukMXPWQq3nJRO6k5vCX8qSMW4SyNxYTcxd8/YIzMrMjYhTlRFbvonQInPgpwl+b0suv3jWgP2Mr25jBaMbayRDEvcWbs=; Received: from [212.82.98.127] by nm27.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 22:18:57 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.80] by tm20.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 22:18:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2014 22:18:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 105977.5411.bm@smtp117.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: zAsM8aIVM1mE_5Vhn7nPDJRSjZ4vYssFUVl4Jbb7zWatScd CZ67UVk83FOXY5.8f8StNqfJAkvHB_lxB9YC3jUqOiWSVREIldYPNSQRxwoo cKlG_ciLp2Pv_xnEDuWeNiF86v9BbSr5HOLBdNNoj2h0kQoBEPXCQ_muIwqM Czlet_jd6vKDPeJAAjsz5Pwynh1LefIx_gkfJXx7hoqVla2zts0bxC1VvutI DQpia2uU93F8Y5j5MpqHHpjdMYuN9PuLoN.GA837y1GniLA9xKYSiM9YMN8n gVGjdDjuTkY9wTLaWkm_SNS2elo4T0ps7kjdULEdFSE9tfps3EjV5KzjQnFr N0zvNOY_WYif3FqH4_6Kb66iE_kuHvb6Eyvh3q4lq2rkkC9CbwTcVR2LMQLB JK5MsPPzYm5COooVfVkrmLJkQyL34HHYmYa5WIBsH391cm5Ri8Biclz9wMtx Ko97J5UTSp5FTxVSFIIP4V0F3BDspjwfueDcoEXpSkQGRG853EKY59N7yfss iBvY6f1itidCCSTrVLz8cGz9PtqR.Gx.maWJw2Hnmm_h2gOEVsntoafoV5Wh Tscc3QRHfKi0IBVXSQm_5WSRDtc_ox1McpvIEm_GDsX.C6U_oUKe4COQ3bzv 7_Nx31X7gtBBawpxW17bj_.Of8wLXBGqiow6SrA_AcSt7rjZzCYItfUNcGPz NxIR5KJyOmVRqdwuBhq8sY8jqxA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:18:55 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20141129231855.66655d39@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <01a701d00c18$01a51990$04ef4cb0$@on.ca> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <547937AB.1030706@radel.com> <20141129121211.014cb856@X220.alogt.com> <547A24F7.6070100@bluerosetech.com> <547A2ADD.4020106@gmail.com> <01a701d00c18$01a51990$04ef4cb0$@on.ca> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-34-g5c904ff (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 22:19:00 -0000 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 16:04:03 -0500 "Matt Emmerton" wrote: > You might be interested to learn that many electrical utilities > across the world use DC transmission systems over hundreds or > thousands of kilometers. >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects Too funny, a few years back another discussion on a FreeBSD or Linux mailing list was about the DC preconception, that only AC could be used for current transmission. Even dictionaries mention that it's common practise to use DC too. "high voltage direct current transmission Hochspannungsgleichstrom=C3=BCbertragung {f} " - http://www.dict.cc/?s=3Dcurrent+transmission From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 23:13:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E14E491 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07CBF208 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id sATNDBoK076418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 29 Nov 2014 15:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id sATNDBvZ076417; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 15:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA24255; Sat, 29 Nov 14 15:12:41 PST Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 15:12:41 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: OT: UPS for FreeBSD Message-Id: <547a52e9.tCBMi6xWobou5Fcd%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> <5478BEE6.30308@bluerosetech.com> <5478CC08.9090307@yahoo.com> <20141128204722.561f948e@archlinux> <5478F16A.80605@yahoo.com> <54791d3a.w/pI0kak03d+3nKC%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113405.3d1bd1d6@X220.alogt.com> <54798883.saa13h6lE6rPwZCf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20141129113018.17759e2a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20141129113018.17759e2a@archlinux> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com, kudzu@tenebras.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:13:20 -0000 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:49:07 -0800 > perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > > multitapped > > 120VAC ==> step-down ==> 6VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~15VDC ==> battery1 > > transformer rectifier > > | > > +---> 3VAC ==> full-wave ==> ~7.5VDC ==> battery2 > > rectifier > > Now I'm confused. Being con-fused was in a different branch of the thread :) > The ratio should be around 1.41, the square root of 2 We may be thinking of different "full wave" rectifier designs. Presuming a reasonable amount of capacitance on the output, a half wave (single diode) rectifier should produce a DC output roughly equal to the peak value of the AC input, which is indeed ~1.4 * the RMS AC voltage. A two-diode full-wave rectifier using a center tap will also produce DC of ~1.4 * the RMS voltage of the entire winding (and with the advantage of less ripple). However, a full wave bridge (4 diodes) should produce a DC output roughly equal to the peak-to-peak value of the AC input, or ~2.8 * the RMS voltage. > "-" 1.5V assumed it's a diode bridge rectifier. Yes, at these voltages the diode drop really should not be ignored: 6 VAC(RMS) * 2.8 - 1.5 = 15.3 VDC leaving 3.3 VDC for regulator drop to produce 12 VDC regulated. That may be a bit thin; perhaps we should use the same winding ratio as in an old-time filament transformer: 6.3 VAC => 16 VDC or so. Alternatively, 12.6 VAC-CT (center-tapped) would produce approximately the same result with only two diodes. OTOH 3 VAC(RMS) * 2.8 - 1.5 = 6.9 VDC leaving only 1.9 V for regulator drop to produce 5 VDC regulated. That "3VAC" winding should be more like 3.8 VAC (or 7.6 VAC-CT), producing 9 VDC. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 23:52:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 048EE8EF for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-in-16.arcor-online.net (mail-in-16.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.56]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.arcor.de", Issuer "Thawte SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A785A7AF for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.17]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6198421 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 00:20:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A71E6F20EC for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 00:20:11 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Passed host: 188.98.180.34 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-03.arcor-online.net 1DAD2D81E0 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (dslb-188-098-180-034.188.098.pools.vodafone-ip.de [188.98.180.34]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DAD2D81E0 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 00:20:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sATNKAkJ049338 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 00:20:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id sATNKAJG049337 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 00:20:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: olvwm on amd64 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <546E5D2D.6010603@gmail.com> <54700218.8090300@bananmonarki.se> <54708578.5070401@bananmonarki.se> <54708DC4.8070209@bananmonarki.se> X-Trace: lorvorc.mips.inka.de 1417303210 48993 ::1 (29 Nov 2014 23:20:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@mips.inka.de User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:52:21 -0000 On 2014-11-28, Adrian Chadd wrote: > I'll take a look at why xview is segfaulting on amd64. Hopefully it's > something stupid. As far as I remember, it simply isn't 64-bit clean. It assumes sizeof(int) == sizeof(void *) throughout. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de