From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 20:39:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D337A106564A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9650F8FC12 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-15-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.15.138]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB501E2C0 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p7KKdb6u002215 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:39:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:39:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20110820223937.3f35efd2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110820162245.166e8a05@scorpio> References: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> <20110820162245.166e8a05@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:39:39 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:22:45 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700 > Michael Sierchio articulated: > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser > > wrote: > > > > > 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, > > > but that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be > > > more difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. > > > > Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update > > I have never wasted my time with it personally; however, I thought I > read somewhere that it did not work if the user had built a custom > kernel. That's correct. The freebsd-update program is _not_ to be used for few specific cases, i. e. the OS version is a -STABLE or even -CURRENT one, or the user is running a non-GENERIC kernel. In such cases, updating from source is inteded, as freebsd-update is a very good tool for binary updating following the -RELEASE path (releases and security patches). _That_ is what it is designed for. It's not a "one size fits all" program. > From what I have seen written regarding it, you have to move the > custom kernel out of the way and replace it with the generic kernel, > run the freebsd-update program and then re-install the custom kernel and > then rebuild that. But this does still apply _only_ in cases where you're using a X.Y-pZ release of the OS, if I understood everything correctly. > Assuming that is correct, I can safely say that only > a masochist would find that solution given the numerous possibilities > for catastrophic failure any serious consideration. Obviously the KISS > principal was considered important in this scenario. There is another important principal: FIRST think, THEN do. In case of problems, restore from backup (which should be good practice in any updating scenario anyway, as in general and in every regards). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...