From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 21:39:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B23B106566B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFA78FC14 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3482020fxe.13 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YodI5u8lx2FpAU7YVPdZbYOt57Tq+GF0mUo/RpUdrzw=; b=HbM+of1fdm/DcDWdn2mOaRANcNdy7Af0KG65sltiqfroeQPdV7m3FK9+RMrEtQ4OZR QJi3qbhmda7nRSmFUg4MiPgisIXrxwvOJfeBWmSwK60FqEapd1reiJ+hCibtt49CLIgy k5OVy5zAfuIEra32UDd1GNy5oSHs0FvfWoQ38= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.16.205 with SMTP id p13mr1195659faa.69.1313876338490; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.120.72 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110820223937.3f35efd2.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <86wre8inmi.fsf@gmail.com> <20110820162245.166e8a05@scorpio> <20110820223937.3f35efd2.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Polytropon , Dave Pooser , antiequality@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:39:00 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Polytropon wrote: > That's correct. The freebsd-update program is _not_ to be used > for few specific cases, i. e. the OS version is a -STABLE or > even -CURRENT one, or the user is running a non-GENERIC kernel. > In such cases, updating from source is inteded, as freebsd-update > is a very good tool for binary updating following the -RELEASE > path (releases and security patches). _That_ is what it is > designed for. It's not a "one size fits all" program. > freebsd-update works quite well and quickly on systems with a custom kernel with the additional caveat you *should* rebuild and install the kernel afterward, and even this isn't always necessary. This is assuming you're on RELEASE or some BETA. Depending on your configuration, you may wish to set some additional parameters which are well documented. As for the whole "upgrading is too hard", well let's just say if you can't handle a make buildkernel; make installkernel command you would be looking at termination if that person had somehow tricked their way into employment. The kindest thing I can say about anyone who thinks yum upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade to be some form of Shangri-La is they enjoy the premise of ignorance = bliss. Threads like this(vague generalities) really bring out the fubar, and I would encourage anyone reading to research any fantastical claim(positive or negative) prior to bringing credulity into the process. Any of the technical claims concerning FreeBSD seems to be exquisitely covered in the Handbook. Anyone who thinks the OP wasn't trolling should learn a lesson here. Most here prefer certain software for one reason or another, yet I would put forward we don't feel the need to tell the alternatives they suck because we don't understand the way it works. This person went beyond such an ethical boundary and made all these assertions prior to engaging the community. As if that wasn't enough, statements like spending 48 hrs configuring an audio driver reveal the absurdity of these vagaries. Finally, review the op's email address which is the final nail in troll coffin if it wasn't neutrino-proof already. The only logical conclusion that can deduced from such behavior is this a a more devolved form of the BSD is dying troll. -- Adam Vande More