From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Apr 11 8:42:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F8537B9CE for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15024 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:42:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA08034 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [206.168.13.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0289C37B9D8 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:42:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11527 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:42:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Message-Id: <200004111542.JAA11527@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Steve Passe To: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:06:46 PDT." <200004111506.IAA33450@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:42:34 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've tried REAL hard to stay out of this conversation as I have little to contribute regarding csh vs tcsh. But as this thread might influence the future system structure I have to add my 2cents worth. At Timing Solutions (shameless commercial plug) we are ramping up to use FreeBSD in a big way on "embedded" systems. In training current customers to use/maintain our products they almost always can't understand why the shell they use as "a user" is totally different from the shell they use "as root". And forget about even trying to show them how to use regular expressions. Soooo, whether we replace csh with tcsh or not, I would like to add my vote to the list of those suggesting that the "root user" shell be /bin/sh right out of the box. Remember that we want to bring people over from M$oft, and the first thing those users have to deal with after installation is the shell. Old time unix hacks will be able to change to csh easily if they want, a new dos convert won't even know he has an alternative, much less know how to install it. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message