From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 12 20:39:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA13281 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13269 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co (unalmodem20.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.50]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA26105; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 22:39:43 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <33506972.E55@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 22:04:50 -0700 From: Pedro Giffuni X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dennis CC: Terry Lambert , scrappy@hub.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Commercial vendors registry References: <3.0.32.19970412160250.00b1f100@etinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dennis wrote: > > There's too much "its fixed in -current" or "it'll be in the next release" > and not enough commitment to getting fixes and important new feature > into the short-term. > Oh...so you want more innovation and features? You have two options: 1) Use current; developers don't screw things to see "what happens if..", they try to keep the system as best as they possibly can. I hate this comparison, but think snapshots are something like MS's "betas". If everyone reported the bugs they find in current there would be nothing to fix in the release. 2) Use Linux, they have many more developers and do exactly what you suggest. You probably know how their releases are (one unstable, one stable shortly after the unstable one). Lot's of new features guaranteed! You would be surprised with the problems users in other BSD's have in order to have their changes committed. Personally I am satisfied with the releases. Innovations (like DOS emulation) usually get late to FreeBSD, but when they arrive they are more stable and better implemented. FreeBSD advances more rapidly that most commercial OSs, but what makes it more valuable is that it is as stable as the commercial versions. > > > >> 4) Lack of focus as to what FreeBSD is (jack of all trades, master > >> of none) > > Who defines what is FreeBSD's locus: You?, me?, The core team?. "What ever Bill Gates dislikes" ? In an interview Linus admitted that Linux's objectives were never clear, people simply implemented things and he chose what the features he liked most. We have our objectives (consult the handbook) but in general terms the way we follow depends on what users want and developers can provide. In our present case, having commercial options benefits users and developers. > Something to consider is that if your big enough, you dont have to > have a focus because you have enough resources to do everything. If your statement is true, you will always find someone bigger than you, so you will have to have a locus anyway :). Pedro. > Dennis