From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 22 19:13:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5186816A40B for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 442BA13C4FD for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 2896 invoked by uid 399); 22 Jan 2007 18:47:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.5?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jan 2007 18:47:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <45B506A7.7060909@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:47:03 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Smith References: <200701171832.28368.dienst@marcrenearns.de> <474078f80701181348q16ceb16bs40ba45b3d7057b83@mail.gmail.com> <20070121212428.GA47379@rambler-co.ru> <200701221111.56264.jhb@freebsd.org> <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <1169489832.11889.64.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: re@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , Ruslan Ermilov , doc@freebsd.org, Marc Ren? Arns Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails without complete source tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:13:54 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > I think that's what Ruslan meant by it having "traditionally been > standalone". By tradition someone who just extracted the sys stuff > wasn't expecting to do 'make buildkernel', they expected to do the > 'config, etc'. For example someone who wanted to build custom kernels > but had no intention of updating the machine using the source tree, and > they knew how to build the kernels manually. True, but that's not even close to being the majority of FreeBSD users. Given that we promote 'make buildkernel' as the "proper" way of making a kernel, IMO we need to do what is necessary to make it easy for users to do that. And so it goes, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection