From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 16:46:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5581065676 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from afmcc@btinternet.com) Received: from smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68CD08FC24 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 63128 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2009 16:46:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YRlgX01xd9L12yoTz2611gEDcXHRkAGKY0vLpSAZSMUZC7BWEbHf8p0a6k+xqPkYc0NloIyviSA7o5hIUmoTcLx3GpYnv3sr9zmCRNQfbk9tjVHfA4IkreoxyooMaHhC70OL5H3gKLTcEb8gg7JH51rGpkW/BbRR6xdPpVwXPbg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO elena.home) (afmcc@86.168.180.126 with login) by smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2009 16:46:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: SW2apSyswBAt0gNRBekT9336f.by6cx.6GfQeJfVJ_9U X-YMail-OSG: ptpqWJUVM1nS5p_0vuDnCbAkMePUH175DfbkpktgXpdUUviRvrDxFXXbz05HIXibIoWDN4NBEdyKMPWioCza.H2jZNa1ZCwzLOKvw1ychSkr_JG48KgeO3TquTnkUDeKaG7Pz_LqcoLrYL3MSI4y4p5N616qMb8SWpsbsQD_0gGTk_M6HSy3wpszVG_Vgvpd2_7A3oNuJ9l8esVhowbD84DZHe1ir17ndY3Fc7AZ0x4KiES_dR6lUt3l8.hriEhR5mb6ZgrXQNDRiAJEe3Z3oAZadbrBBlsG4YFffs_1dVpBJ6advtg4GJ9H48s- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:46:56 +0000 From: Tony McC To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091028164656.79c2b5ad@elena.home> In-Reply-To: <20091028160000.035fa0ef@elena.home> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> <20091028160000.035fa0ef@elena.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:46:54 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:00:00 +0000 Tony McC wrote: > Hi PJ, > > ok, I tried (I was also trying to offer you support, just a different > kind). There was a lot of irrelevant material in your response but the > part I have quoted shows such a deep misunderstanding of what I was > trying to suggest that I think I'm done. I honestly hope you do get > past your headaches with FreeBSD, one way or another. Replying to myself, sorry. I think I owe you an apology for a grumpy response. I think it comes down to the fact our "learning styles" must be very different. You seem to like to try things first and then try to understand when things go wrong. I like to gain a reasonably firm theoretical understanding first and then try out things according to a plan, keeping notes at each stage. When something happens that I don't understand then of course I learn from that. I think we are just different. So no, I'm not suggesting you learn the manual by heart before going any further. I am suggesting that you *start* with the manual, take it step by step, and only try things that might break your system when a) you think you have a firm grasp of what you are doing and b) you have a contingency plan to revert to the way things were before if something surprising happens. And, again, as part of a "learning style", when I do come across those uncomfortable surprises (and I do), I generally assume that I must have done something stupid, not that FreeBSD itself is stupid. That is also a learning experience for me. Best, Tony