From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 10 16:37: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7D237B400 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8605143E3B for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0451.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.196] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17SR0y-0002DD-00; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:36:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3D2CC4D8.C3D5A9ED@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:35:52 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsi@panix.com Cc: Thierry Herbelot , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Listening to users [was Re: Package system wishlist] References: <3D2BE142.E25CA9BC@mindspring.com> <3D2CAAC1.5CF66C96@herbelot.com> <200207102204.g6AM4UD11370@panix1.panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Redirected from -arch... Rajappa Iyer wrote: > Also note that FreeBSD, by and large, does not have > nearly as many incompatible changes to the device driver interface. You haven't tried to write a PCI card driver lately, have you? "It's still quite opaque to me" What's the matter with the card I'm using? "Can't you tell we changed the A-P-I?" Maybe I should build some old scratch boxes? "Welcome back to Rel 4 point 5. Where have you been running lately, honey? You can't run current till you spend a lot of money." Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new bus Funny, but it's still quite opaque to me What's the matter with the code I'm writing? "Can't you tell that it's out of style(9)?" Should I get a set of programming manuals? "Do you think that your code will compile? Nowadays you can't be too sentimental Your best bet's the new stuff, or your're gonna' go mental." CAM stuff, new bus, even if it's old bus It's still quite opaque to me Oh, it doesn't matter what they say in the papers 'Cause it's always been the same old scene. There's a new devfs in town But you can't get the code to run clean... Especially on your old machine How about a pair of 17-40 Controllers Does the EISA driver even have a chance? "You could really be a real hacker, baby If you rewrote it all from scratch. Don't waste your money on a new bunch of hardware, You get more mileage digging up an old box somewhere." Next phase, new wave, release delays, anyways It's still quite opaque to me What's the matter with the list I'm posting to? "Don't you know that they're out of touch?" Should I try to install the latest -current? "If you do then you'll crash too much. Don't you know about the new approach honey? All you need are docs and a whole lotta money." It's the next phase, new wave, release delays, anyways It's still quite opaque to me Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new code Funny, but it's still quite opaque to me -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message