From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 18 23:18:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61412DFE46 for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 23:18:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpg.telissant.net (smtpg.telissant.net [104.225.1.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Qw1K0n1Hz4W7G for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 23:18:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from sacada.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Qw1B21Ynz29gyS for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpg.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by sacada.3dresearch.com (sacada.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1aPqifCnRDwJ for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (unknown [71.112.244.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: elettra@sacada.3dresearch.com) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Qw195VYlz29gyR for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bufftemp.3dresearch.com (unknown [10.61.70.200]) by elettra.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB92329A80 for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bufftemp.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bufftemp.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BB7DD7AA5 for ; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 19:17:31 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life Message-Id: <20200518191731.80bda3b8f1bf183791f27bb6@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Qw1K0n1Hz4W7G X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of web@3dresearch.com designates 104.225.1.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=web@3dresearch.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.08 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ENVFROM_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[3dresearch.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.12)[-0.115]; FROM_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:smtpg.telissant.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:104.225.1.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.112.244.142:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 23:18:29 -0000 On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:12:37 -0700 Doug Hardie wrote: > > [...] > > I started using FreeBSD somewhere between 2.5 and 2.7 and I remember > the confusion of those "labels". Yes the information is there, but > it's not obvious to the new user. I was running production systems > and the name "stable" seemed like the right one. However, the > descriptions made me think that perhaps that was not the right > choice. I finally settled on "release" but it was quite a difficult > decision. After many discussions on this mailing list, I finally > understood the differences. I still find the names misleading, but I > can work with them. I do feel for anyone new to FreeBSD trying to > figure that out. It might be "obvious" to those who know, but it's > not for others. > > -- Doug How stable is *-STABLE? The closer it is to *-RELEASE perhaps? In my limited experience (a few dozen instances) since about 4.3 or 4.4, not once can I remember having to fall back to *-RELEASE. This is not to challenege the expertise of people on this list or the sound advice of the Handbook on which branch to use for what. May be I have been just lucky doing end-user stuff (dhcp, cyrus, postfix, apache, samba, etc.), but *-STABLE has been stable for me. More likely, this reflects the quality of work FreeBSD developers have been doing. -- Janos Dohanics