From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 14 16:48: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BEF14DAE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crh@outpost.co.nz) Received: from outpost.co.nz (b001-m008-p058.wgtn.clear.net.nz [203.167.241.250]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id LAA05238; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:45:32 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199904142345.LAA05238@fep2-orange.clear.net.nz> Received: (qmail 5181 invoked from network); 14 Apr 1999 23:32:48 -0000 Received: from officedonkey.acme.gen.nz (HELO officedonkey) (192.168.1.3) by evil-smelling-bugger.acme.gen.nz with SMTP; 14 Apr 1999 23:32:48 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Craig Harding" Organization: Outpost Digital Media Ltd To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:32:28 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Jordan The Evil! (was Re: More of my totally ineffective PR effo Reply-To: crh@outpost.co.nz In-reply-to: <4.2.0.32.19990414114712.00cda740@localhost> References: <10906.924111753@zippy.cdrom.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > As it happens, I have already left the FreeBSD advocacy mailing list > because there is clearly no point in attempting to do effective > advocacy with you at the helm. You are undermining and sabotaging > all such efforts. In particular, by voicing support for Microsoft's > domination of the desktop and discouraging differentiation of > FreeBSD from Linux, you are assuring FreeBSD's slide into obscurity. Okay Brett, name 3 specific examples where Jordan has "undermined and sabotaged" FreeBSD advocacy efforts by anyone. I don't just mean where he says something on a mailing list that conflicts with your viewpoint on an issue. Frankly Brett, I think your arguments are a load of bollocks, and I can't figure out why you persist in the way that you do. I also think that your complaints about FreeBSD advocacy and comparisons *entirely* miss the point. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Linux isn't successful because of a concerted PR effort by a small organised team. Linux achieved its profile through the rabid, half-crazed mutterings of several thousand university students around the world who, as the young and inexperienced tend to do, firmly believed that the OS they were running on their own machines was the single greatest, most reliable, technically advanced operating system in the known universe, irrespective of hard evidence to the contrary. LInux had thousands of wild-eyed zealots, and bucketloads of faith. For a successful religious movement, that's all you need. -- C. -- Craig Harding Head of Postproduction, Outpost Digital Media Ltd "I don't know about God, I just think we're handmade" - Polly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message