From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 00:07:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D027106564A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-309.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-309.bluehost.com [67.222.54.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 407018FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 4766 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2008 00:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 00:05:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Rlgt7GXBgmScB+P8SFJdAWTwaKLSA0Hnh/MjTPJi+FtQvA5scHBjdZKQpkPDRksi+XyqYOC4qlPueAZmaCGWct7ZbaeydGTbKwKOSua9gV4W5TYTRmtAXViIYCHePRM1; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAvZF-0002Sa-Uw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:07:42 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:07:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:07:22 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081212000722.GB32300@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081207093713.O5433@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211203121.L1372@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081211195504.GA15968@kokopelli.hydra> <200812111447.15299.perlcat@alltel.net> <494184B7.2030104@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+g7M9IMkV8truYOl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <494184B7.2030104@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:07:42 -0000 --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:23:03PM -0500, michael wrote: > I agree. nothing wrong with his posts. the mailing list was never=20 > described as a warm, social gather. you want answers, and you get them=20 > here. i for one would rather him be abrupt and short. no need for the=20 > pomp and circumstance. I have no problem with honest abruptness. What I do have a problem with is patently absurd statements about the superiority of MS Windows for classes of uses for which it is *not* superior, and the claim that such classes of use are somehow "bad" or unworthy. I'm also rather annoyed by the fact that he persists in making such patently absurd statements in an effort to scare off anyone who might actually become a contributing member of the FreeBSD community even after someone has provided evidence to the contrary -- and seems to make it a policy to utterly ignore any evidence that contradicts his own narrow view of the world so he *can* persist in being a fork in the eye for anyone that is interested in FreeBSD but hasn't yet really gotten familiar with it. There's a big difference between people who ask RTFM-worthy questions and people who ask *good* questions that don't measure up to his standards of someone who should use FreeBSD. I'm tired of reading shit about how anything that could stand to be improved in FreeBSD is just catering to people who are better off using MS Windows instead, about how anyone using MS Windows should just stay in Microsoft's world and never bother trying to improve their computing environments, and so on. When someone other than him elects to be helpful, his interjections a dozen posts into a thread about how the person asking the question should just fuck off and die, and MS Windows is better anyway, are pretty damned counterproductive. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Marvin Minsky: ". . . anyone could learn Lisp in 1 day, except that if they already knew Fortran, it would take 3 days." --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklBqzoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWUFgCfUPkyvc+w0jzhSAtr8Cf6EGrf QGUAniA0zfFVjcp4fFWULvbg10AFk/bc =bUvo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl--