From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 11 12:08:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03701 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03693 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id VAA01060; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:07:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:07:16 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass Cc: "Frank Pawlak" , Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , jasone@canonware.com, smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft's breaches of contract (was: FBSD license and multiple copyright holders) References: <199807040703.BAA02533@softweyr.com> <19980704165817.D358@freebie.lemis.com> <980704165941.ZM2483@darkstar.connect.com> <19980705102445.L358@freebie.lemis.com> <199807110349.VAA28411@lariat.lariat.org> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 11 Jul 1998 21:07:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: Brett Glass's message of "Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:49:31 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > Interestingly, the Microsoft Windows 95 implementations of a few TCP/IP > utilities are said to have Berkeley copyright notices in the code, which > means they're probably derived from FreeBSD utilities. Is Microsoft giving > credit to the developers? If it isn't, it may be violating the > Berkeley-style license and thus could be the target of a copyright lawsuit. No, you've got it mixed up a bit. Microsoft ships the standard BSD ftp client with Windows 95 and NT (probably 98 too, I haven't checked). If you search the archives for the beginning of this thread, you'll find I posted an article with the SCCS ID extracted from the Windows 95 ftp client. However, this is *not* the FreeBSD ftp client. They're kinda cousins. Microsoft uses a plain vanilla 4.x BSD ftp ported to Windows 95, while FreeBSD has added fifteen tons of nifty features (command-line editing and file name completion come to mind). If you check the ftp(1) code (/usr/src/usr/bin/ftp/) you'll see it uses the old-style four-clause BSD copyright, which requires all advertising material for software derived from BSD-licensed code to include the mention "This product includes software developed by the University of California, Berkeley and its contributors." Obviously, they're not doing it. Equally obviously, nobody so far has had the balls to challenge this practice. DES (who whishes he had a Congressman to write to) -- One two, one two, one two. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message