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> So to use the ports system you must upgrade your system every three
> months? That's just ridiculous, nobody in the "real world" upgrades
> their systems that often, including the project itself.

That's hardly the case.  To use the ports system as a user who doesn't
want to upgrade things, you need to simply LEAVE IT ALONE.  Don't run
cvsup, don't use CTM, no-touchie ports tree!

I see later in this thread, in fact, that you say we should simply do
less work in -stable to avoid perturberation, an argument which at its
core says that leaving things alone is the way to go.  At the core, I
agree, but I think leaving things alone is the user's job if they
don't want unpleasant things to happen.  They don't need the latest
and greatests ports, they've already got some 4500 to choose from and
if some percentage of them goes stale because they don't update then
tough, that's life in the big city.  When the level of staleness
reaches a threshold they can't deal with, that's an excellent time for
them to upgrade to whatever the most current release is.

- Jordan

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