From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 20 5:36: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pr0n.kutulu.org (pr0n.kutulu.org [151.196.107.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A5437B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 05:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from cc191573g (cc191573-g.longhill1.md.home.com [24.37.104.136]) by pr0n.kutulu.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAKDa7U42909; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:36:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kutulu@kutulu.org) Message-ID: <013f01c171c7$6ffcbeb0$88682518@longhill1.md.home.com> From: "Kutulu" To: "Anthony Atkielski" , "Ted Mittelstaedt" , , "Chip" Cc: References: <006901c171b1$f549f760$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <012801c171b6$845a9500$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Subject: Re: home pc use Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:29:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=SHA1; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013B_01C1719D.85E2C500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013B_01C1719D.85E2C500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Anthony Atkielski" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 6:28 AM > I wouldn't mind running the server on my Windows machine, but no X Server for > Windows seems to cost less than $250-$500 dollars. In fact, I'd actually prefer > to run the server on my Windows machine, as I treat FreeBSD as a server machine, > not a separate desktop. XFree86 actually runs on Windows now (via Cygwin). See http://xfree86/cygwin.com. I have been running it for several months now, and thus far it seems to have it's pros and cons. It's somewhat flaky on Windows 98 (and the install documentation says so) but Windows 2000 seems to get along with it fine. On the plus side: * There is only one Win32 X server, which uses DirectX. Therefore, the video hardware support is exactly as good as the support you get from Windows. * It's Free. Similar X Servers, as you say, cost a lot of money. * It's the same codebase as the XFree86 that Linux/BSD run. * It runs inside a window, giving me the same basic functionality I get from terminal server or VNC, except to my BSD systems. * It's open-source, therefore anyone with the time and skill can fix the problems listed below. * Since it does run as a user-level process via DirectX, it has very little chance of taking the OS down with it. In fact, I've never once had it actually GPF on Windows 2000, though it has exited abnormally a few times. On the down side: * It's kinda pokey. Of course, part of that is the inherent slowness of X running over a network, but part of it seems to be inherent slowness in the server. * It takes a bit to set up. The commercial X servers (I used eXceed when it didn't cost so much, and XWin32 as a demo) are much easier to install and use. And I still haven't figured out how to get it to use XDMCP the way XWin32 does. * I've run into a few X programs that crash the server (Kylix routinely). This I take as a sign of the immaturity of the server more than anything else. * It's kinda kudgy. You basically install the entire Cygwin environment, which gives you a UNIX-alike runtime environment in Win32, then install XFree86 on top of that. It takes a lot of disk space, and I suspect it also relates to some of the speed problems. But, as mentioned, it's open source and free, so it can only get better and more stable from here. Definitely worth looking into. --K ------=_NextPart_000_013B_01C1719D.85E2C500 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII3jCCAnww ggHloAMCAQICAwW08DANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQIFADCBkjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdl c3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsT FENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMjAw MC44LjMwMB4XDTAxMDkyMjE0MDAxOFoXDTAyMDkyMjE0MDAxOFowQzEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3Rl IEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEgMB4GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYRa3V0dWx1QGt1dHVsdS5vcmcwgZ8wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBALuDdLgCHJxCJguCs8IK+K4Fic2MZAbW1CVoIPV1qU/ez9TI z5Yv4XRDskBUZxFogDSDdYPEGCbNB8Tp7TjwD+n2zAuIuapRMySbs7zQYef/fBd01rqRBmi/A9/v bPOuKHqOAvbMqWMH2D9hjCH2d3R8cJIoCglhEtyyxm9rOee5AgMBAAGjLjAsMBwGA1UdEQQVMBOB EWt1dHVsdUBrdXR1bHUub3JnMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQECBQADgYEAlJ1wNCdT DYnUEQV9rBeSbJ8lJ1yxSHxwosdb8UzkD3H6AfRJBQQQ/qAIWh9ODW2UjMH5el3RgaZAbPUheG56 bPcKEdb+pGInFz8Rf0Baent6D3OLrvVT1wrJ+qeYuf61DHIAuorD/ZFeN8v3wLtyuuHRkPZmn/1b JgLc4S2qImIwggMpMIICkqADAgECAgEMMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEV MBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0 ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQw IgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNv bmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDAwODMwMDAwMDAwWhcNMDIwODI5MjM1OTU5WjCB kjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3du MQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQD Ex9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMjAwMC44LjMwMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCB iQKBgQDeMzKmY8cJJUU+0m54J2eBxdqIGYKXDuNEKYpjNSptcDz63K737nRvMLwzkH/5NHGgo22Y 8cNPomXbDfpL8dbdYaX5hc1VmjUanZJ1qCeu2HL5ugL217CR3hzpq+AYA6h8Q0JQUYeDPPA5tJtU ihOH/7ObnUlmAC0JieyUa+mhaQIDAQABo04wTDApBgNVHREEIjAgpB4wHDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRUHJp dmF0ZUxhYmVsMS0yOTcwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEEBQADgYEAcxtvJmWL/xU0S1liiu1EvknH6A27j7kNaiYqYoQfuIdjdBxtt88aU5FL4c3mONnt UPQ6bDSSrOaSnG7BIwHCCafvS65y3QZn9VBvLli4tgvBUFe17BzX7xe21Yibt6KIGu05Wzl9NPy2 lhglTWr0ncXDkS+plrgFPFL83eliA0gwggMtMIIClqADAgECAgEAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMIHR MQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24x GjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZp Y2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkq hkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNOTYwMTAxMDAwMDAwWhcN MjAxMjMxMjM1OTU5WjCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAG A1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2Vy dGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZy ZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMIGf MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDUadfUsJRkW3HpR9gMUbbqcpGwhF59LQ2PexLfhSV1 KHQ6QixjJ5+Ve0vvfhmHHYbqo925zpZkGsIUbkSsfOaP6E0PcR9AOKYAo4d49vmUhl6t6sBeduvZ FKNdbnp8DKVLVX8GGSl/npom1Wq7OCQIapjHsdqjmJH9edvlWsQcuQIDAQABoxMwETAPBgNVHRMB Af8EBTADAQH/MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4GBAMfskn5O+PWWpWdiKqTwTRFg0G+NYFhhrCa7UjVc CM8w+6hKloofYkIjjBcP9LpknBesRynfnZhe0mxgcVyirNx54+duAEcftQ0o6AKd5Jr9E/Sm2Xyx +NxfIyYJkYBz0BQb3kOpgyXy5pwvFcr+pquKB3WLDN1RhGvk+NHOd6KBMYIB/jCCAfoCAQEwgZow gZIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93 bjEPMA0GA1UEChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYGA1UE AxMfUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDIwMDAuOC4zMAIDBbTwMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCggbowGAYJ KoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDExMTIwMTMyOTUxWjAjBgkq hkiG9w0BCQQxFgQU2s0XeH7zHaZAFeU0ILYU1zh/pRkwWwYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMU4wTDAKBggqhkiG 9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwIC ASgwBwYFKw4DAh0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEgYAV+oDAId35Mf+v5RJJK55bQG/hmudkijKhWGqx LDAZ9/Mny4eL55Df46Nmi4ksEp1e0NjY3Yu/AcS+P9yv6xHRegwXdmVgD1KzBuv8BZhagcLT4UbA F53N8jWfgKM/Sxyguj/kJ1AZuTxU2Pr0Hy4eEDSjt4HlO3NrLOU7uDSsDQAAAAAAAA== ------=_NextPart_000_013B_01C1719D.85E2C500-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message