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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e7sm2989514qtd.83.2020.06.18.05.37.06 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.1.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49nhJy0qnrz26DH for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 08:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 08:36:45 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Update 11.3 > 11.4 Message-ID: <20200618083645.00001afc@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20200618134732.48b4c316.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200617134146.00004ce8@seibercom.net> <20200617165853.000070ca@seibercom.net> <20200617195705.000069f0@seibercom.net> <20200618071456.00004fdd@seibercom.net> <20200618134732.48b4c316.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/ZuixfvLa8RsNdgrkc+kjT2p"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49nhK25ZmBz4dTR X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=rPsdXnf3; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.85 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.84)[-0.840]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.970]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.26)[0.262]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:37:11 -0000 --Sig_/ZuixfvLa8RsNdgrkc+kjT2p Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:47:32 +0200, Polytropon commented: >On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:14:56 -0400, Jerry wrote: >> BTW, you use the term, "shiny", I prefer more advanced or mature, but >> that is not the important point here. =20 > >The point is that the use of those terms is intended, and >it illustrates a specific difference: "shiny new" often >refers to products that _claim_ to be advanced or mature, >or better or technically superior, while _not_ possessing >that property; using actual words like "advanced", "mature", >"secure", and the like _assures_ that those properies are >present in a product. > >Reasoning: Just because a manufacturer claims his product >is better, or because his product is newer, or because the >product comes in a shiny package does _not_ prove, by any >means, that the product actually _is_ better. > >Terminology, my dear Watson. ;-) To begin with, I never use the term "shiny new." I consider that a child's terminology. You state the obvious, however. Any reasonable, intelligent buyer will give the technical specifications sheet or other documents as they pertain to the potential item to be purchased, at the very least, a quick perusal. Anytime I am spending more than a couple of dollars on an item, I give it at least a quick, it not more thorough inspection. Advertising, as it is, requires a certain amount of finesse. No advertiser ever created an ad for a new car and stated that it was "almost" as good as the last model. It has been my experience dealing with reputable vendors that their newer products tend to be more advanced or improved over prior models, if even only marginally. Again, "Caveat emptor." Many corporations spend thousands on "usability studies" to determine what their potential market is looking for and how to best, and obviously, most cost-effectively provide that service or product. I have personally been involved in a few usability studies pertaining to software used in and by Municipalities. If any corporation wants to stay relevant in today's market, they have to invest in product improvement and securing the public trust in their product and it's quality. I am smart enough to know that there exists a robust socialistic element on this list that believes "profit" is a dirty word and is under the assumption that they are 'owed' simply because they exist. I have NEVER felt that way. I do not work sans monetary reward, and I would never expect anyone else to either. I am proud to be a Capitalist. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/ZuixfvLa8RsNdgrkc+kjT2p Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl7rX90ACgkQOHMGOIfe xWTShAgAjTvmUXZOt7w2xAXTY3BimM0/Uc/BJdiVLciVAvM3ROf/i7Ijb3Z8SfTj RNwt9cfKBUZLyUWFmhABGeJYVOJNu5EZt19IDoeZK9vBPBQRmNIy70HbnAuaoCUv FpRgrQiZgjN/SQpT2kzVyb2mmBKWnRjS854lVGDJFjExxj0EVGnnJoxd81PBkHRE fzGwFRIcwfFqhZZfxNQT/Ng8X75rz7HGwWrzw8XWjmJQRN9vKx0TciozNsLuVmhY LFBfIYPD10o4SoXSyttbqwvu2eiQ0fp+l435cIlbn4vHIVhbqhkO52tdUkjy9uUu tsajq9Tmb11YxfYArMVzQUF4b1khqA== =xrqQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/ZuixfvLa8RsNdgrkc+kjT2p--