From owner-freebsd-bluetooth@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 4 22:40:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-bluetooth@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7461065670 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mav@mavhome.dp.ua) Received: from cmail.optima.ua (cmail.optima.ua [195.248.191.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255EA8FC1E for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:40:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mav@mavhome.dp.ua) X-Spam-Flag: SKIP X-Spam-Yversion: Spamooborona-2.1.0 Received: from [212.86.226.226] (account mav@alkar.net HELO mavbook.mavhome.dp.ua) by cmail.optima.ua (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTPSA id 233569993; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:40:31 +0200 Message-ID: <498A1966.4030600@mavhome.dp.ua> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:40:38 +0200 From: Alexander Motin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090118) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maksim Yevmenkin References: <1233365217.00068654.1233354838@10.7.7.3> <4988EBAC.3080202@mavhome.dp.ua> <4988F857.5080407@mavhome.dp.ua> <4989EC35.80502@mavhome.dp.ua> <4989F6E3.9020702@mavhome.dp.ua> <498A0DDF.1050605@mavhome.dp.ua> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-bluetooth@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: pan profile support in freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-bluetooth@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Using Bluetooth in FreeBSD environments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:40:34 -0000 Maksim Yevmenkin wrote: >> As I understand it's just a form of header compression. As soon as each side >> knows address of the peer it can compress MAC address if it matches to >> respective BDADDR. And that's all. > > exactly. i must admit that saving up to 14 bytes on relatively slow > bluetooth link does not exactly strike me as a huge win :) but what do > i know anyway :) > >>> so, imo, there is nothing really prevents us from using multiple local >>> radios. also mac address on tap interface is really does not matter, >>> because its get stripped anyway. that is unless tap interface checks >>> dst mac address and make sure it matches (like freebsd does) before >>> passing packet up the stack. if any case, setting promisc. flag on >>> interface will fix it. the only mess here is that arp responses for >>> local tap interface will contain mac address of tap interface and not >>> bd_addr of (one of the) local radio(s). i say, who cares, as long as >>> its properly encapsulated into bnep, imo, it should work. so even if >>> both endpoints have a direct rf link, it will look like they are not. >> I still think we should not do such hacks. As I understand there is OK to >> bridge completely unrelated Ethernet traffic via BNEP link. As soon as MAC >> addresses does not match to BDADDRs, packets should just be transmitter with >> full uncompressed Ethernet header. We should keep TAP MAC address equal to >> BDADDR just as much as possible to maximally benefit from header >> compression. But if we have single TAP interface on server, which handles >> several links via different adapters, I understand it should be fine to just >> choose one of BDADDRs as MAC address to be completely honest to everybody. >> If there is only one adapter, then all headers will be compressed, if there >> is several - only part of them. >> >> Am I right? > > well, yes and no. somehow you need to map multiple local bd_addr to > either one bd_addr or completely different mac address on tap > interface. somehow i think that having completely different mac > address on tap interface and map all the local bd_addr's to it makes > it cleaner. even if we have to transfer 6 extra bytes in bnep header. > i like the ability to bind to wildcard address, it allows us to run > bluetooth servers even if there are no bluetooth radios connected to > the system. for example, i run sdpd, hcsecd etc. on my laptop always. > when i need, i simply plug my usb bluetooth dongle it - presto - it > all works. magic! :) if you bind to a particular radio, then you tied > to it. cant do anything before radio is present and cant do anything > after radio is gone. If there is no any radio present yet, you can just choose any random MAC address for TAP and transfer it via BNEP later. You will loose 6 bytes per packet due to addresses mismatch, but it should work. By doing unconditional translation of TAP MAC address into BDADDR, you will make impossible bridging between Bluetooth and local network, which is interesting, as can be used, for example, as cheap and low power WiFi alternative. -- Alexander Motin