From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 18:48:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F70EB4; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sjg@juniper.net) Received: from exprod7og101.obsmtp.com (exprod7og101.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCD98FC0C; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob101.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUKp/A2lHjc+9M1WLH3tAOUEB9CVppyBM@postini.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:48:39 PST Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:47:41 -0800 Received: from chaos.jnpr.net (chaos.jnpr.net [172.24.29.229]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id qAJIle345000; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:47:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sjg@juniper.net) Received: from chaos.jnpr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chaos.jnpr.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D07958094; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:47:40 -0800 (PST) To: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: [RFC] test layout/standardization for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <5714.1353345834@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <7099.1352886181@critter.freebsd.dk> <31881.1353312581@critter.freebsd.dk> <20121119161333.6A37C58094@chaos.jnpr.net> <5714.1353345834@critter.freebsd.dk> Comments: In-reply-to: "Poul-Henning Kamp" message dated "Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:23:54 +0000." From: "Simon J. Gerraty" X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82+cvs; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 22.3.1 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:47:40 -0800 Message-ID: <20121119184740.2D07958094@chaos.jnpr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Garrett Cooper , George Neville-Neil , Marcel Moolenaar , Matthew Fleming , "freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Arch" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:48:40 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:23:54 +0000, "Poul-Henning Kamp" writes: >Well, good luck with upholding that distinction on any piece of >non-trivial software. Oh sorry if it sounded like I was refering to you, we have a huge investment in system testing which many people keep calling unit-tests, which then confuses people when they hear we should do more/better unit-testing. System testing is an expensive way to find bugs.