From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 20 5:45:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pr0n.kutulu.org (pr0n.kutulu.org [151.196.107.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B26D37B416 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 05:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from cc191573g (cc191573-g.longhill1.md.home.com [24.37.104.136]) by pr0n.kutulu.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAKDjeU42948; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:45:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kutulu@kutulu.org) Message-ID: <018f01c171c8$c50d8500$88682518@longhill1.md.home.com> From: "Kutulu" To: "setantae" , "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: References: <3BF9B12B.3D521A4D@nycap.rr.com> <20011119220243.A268@prayforwind.com> <009a01c171a9$4eedbee0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <00cd01c171ac$ca0fa0e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120102625.GB75402@rhadamanth> <00d201c171af$61dccb80$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120110535.GB75918@rhadamanth> <013901c171b7$407ea500$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120114643.GB76431@rhadamanth> Subject: Re: home pc use Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:39:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=SHA1; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_018B_01C1719E.DB045430" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_018B_01C1719E.DB045430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "setantae" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 6:46 AM > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:33:55PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Ceri writes: > > > > > In fact, no window manager I've ever used has > > > ever crashed, with the notable exceptions of > > > explorer.exe and progman.exe. > > > > Neither program is a window manager. > > They are the programs responsible for creating and manipulating > the windows. Sort of. The MS Windows GUI system is not as neatly partitioned as the X Window system. Most of it is lumped into the OS itself. The programs mentioned here are primarily shells: they are responsible for providing the user interface to launch applications. The 'window manager' function is part of the base system, specifically the GDI subsystem in the kernel, and exists indepedantly of the shell. The shell program does have a good bit of control over the look&feel of the windows on the system, (see: Litestep) but other user-level applications (such as WindowBlinds) have the same level of control regardless of what shell is running. And, it is possible for the shell to be missing entirely and still have open and useable windows (though it becomes difficult to create them without being able to run applications). --K ------=_NextPart_000_018B_01C1719E.DB045430 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII3jCCAnww ggHloAMCAQICAwW08DANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQIFADCBkjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdl c3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsT FENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMjAw MC44LjMwMB4XDTAxMDkyMjE0MDAxOFoXDTAyMDkyMjE0MDAxOFowQzEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3Rl IEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEgMB4GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYRa3V0dWx1QGt1dHVsdS5vcmcwgZ8wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBALuDdLgCHJxCJguCs8IK+K4Fic2MZAbW1CVoIPV1qU/ez9TI z5Yv4XRDskBUZxFogDSDdYPEGCbNB8Tp7TjwD+n2zAuIuapRMySbs7zQYef/fBd01rqRBmi/A9/v bPOuKHqOAvbMqWMH2D9hjCH2d3R8cJIoCglhEtyyxm9rOee5AgMBAAGjLjAsMBwGA1UdEQQVMBOB EWt1dHVsdUBrdXR1bHUub3JnMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQECBQADgYEAlJ1wNCdT DYnUEQV9rBeSbJ8lJ1yxSHxwosdb8UzkD3H6AfRJBQQQ/qAIWh9ODW2UjMH5el3RgaZAbPUheG56 bPcKEdb+pGInFz8Rf0Baent6D3OLrvVT1wrJ+qeYuf61DHIAuorD/ZFeN8v3wLtyuuHRkPZmn/1b JgLc4S2qImIwggMpMIICkqADAgECAgEMMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEV MBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0 ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQw IgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNv bmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDAwODMwMDAwMDAwWhcNMDIwODI5MjM1OTU5WjCB kjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3du MQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQD Ex9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMjAwMC44LjMwMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCB iQKBgQDeMzKmY8cJJUU+0m54J2eBxdqIGYKXDuNEKYpjNSptcDz63K737nRvMLwzkH/5NHGgo22Y 8cNPomXbDfpL8dbdYaX5hc1VmjUanZJ1qCeu2HL5ugL217CR3hzpq+AYA6h8Q0JQUYeDPPA5tJtU ihOH/7ObnUlmAC0JieyUa+mhaQIDAQABo04wTDApBgNVHREEIjAgpB4wHDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRUHJp dmF0ZUxhYmVsMS0yOTcwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEEBQADgYEAcxtvJmWL/xU0S1liiu1EvknH6A27j7kNaiYqYoQfuIdjdBxtt88aU5FL4c3mONnt UPQ6bDSSrOaSnG7BIwHCCafvS65y3QZn9VBvLli4tgvBUFe17BzX7xe21Yibt6KIGu05Wzl9NPy2 lhglTWr0ncXDkS+plrgFPFL83eliA0gwggMtMIIClqADAgECAgEAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMIHR MQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24x GjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZp Y2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkq hkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNOTYwMTAxMDAwMDAwWhcN MjAxMjMxMjM1OTU5WjCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAG A1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2Vy dGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZy ZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMIGf MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDUadfUsJRkW3HpR9gMUbbqcpGwhF59LQ2PexLfhSV1 KHQ6QixjJ5+Ve0vvfhmHHYbqo925zpZkGsIUbkSsfOaP6E0PcR9AOKYAo4d49vmUhl6t6sBeduvZ FKNdbnp8DKVLVX8GGSl/npom1Wq7OCQIapjHsdqjmJH9edvlWsQcuQIDAQABoxMwETAPBgNVHRMB Af8EBTADAQH/MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4GBAMfskn5O+PWWpWdiKqTwTRFg0G+NYFhhrCa7UjVc CM8w+6hKloofYkIjjBcP9LpknBesRynfnZhe0mxgcVyirNx54+duAEcftQ0o6AKd5Jr9E/Sm2Xyx +NxfIyYJkYBz0BQb3kOpgyXy5pwvFcr+pquKB3WLDN1RhGvk+NHOd6KBMYIB/jCCAfoCAQEwgZow gZIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93 bjEPMA0GA1UEChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYGA1UE AxMfUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDIwMDAuOC4zMAIDBbTwMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCggbowGAYJ KoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDExMTIwMTMzOTIzWjAjBgkq hkiG9w0BCQQxFgQU7FMQK2uJZbCFXZyiGQQj/8fSP1AwWwYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMU4wTDAKBggqhkiG 9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwIC ASgwBwYFKw4DAh0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEgYCdmhmEuvn47HIerHqGopO9LYeBcgVc6XfBqUXw 85yd/ibFkyZDEZaPyUZ2fycZyer+iwws2rYAsz6aVio4DZH7wsUPHZ0/jzgwkXEIZ5zjIKebD735 lWCsZwXkE9BzOVZe8tZZRsJ5lYw8I8SToGhwxr0o+0gNsd2hoFwEoXOs9QAAAAAAAA== ------=_NextPart_000_018B_01C1719E.DB045430-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message