From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 17 23:29:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE2C16A41F; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:29:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail23.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail23.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3B443D5A; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:28:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail23.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBHNSv79027788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:28:57 +1100 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBHNSuHh088005; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:28:56 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id jBHNSuPf088004; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:28:56 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:28:56 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6vesd=E1n_G=E1bor?= Message-ID: <20051217232856.GT77268@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <20051217215434.GB92180@svcolo.com> <20051217220807.GA28741@freebie.xs4all.nl> <43A492B6.6050305@t-hosting.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <43A492B6.6050305@t-hosting.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:29:01 -0000 On Sat, 2005-Dec-17 23:35:34 +0100, Kövesdán Gábor wrote: >I agree. And after all, tracking a security branch isn't too difficult, ... ># cd /usr/src ># patch < /path/to/patch ># cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvsbug ># make obj && make depend && make && make install ># cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/send-pr ># make obj && make depend && make && make install > >Is that difficult? Speaking as a developer, I think it's trivially easy. As an end user, I don't think this is acceptable. Firstly, it requires that the user has installed the src distribution - which is optional. Secondly, the user is expected to use development tools without understanding what they do - this is scary for them. Running the above commands is OK as long as nothing goes wrong but the "support" group (who inhabit -questions and answer seemingly silly questions) are going to have to cope with people who've made a typo somewhere in the sequence and can't explain exactly what they did - without putting them off FreeBSD. I think FreeBSD Update shows the way forward but IMHO there needs to be an "official" binary update tool accessible from www.freebsd.org. -- Peter Jeremy