From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 20 18:33:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bodb.mc.mpls.visi.com (bodb.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8904B37B41B; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sheol.localdomain (hawkeyd-fw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.101.193]) by bodb.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03305AF1; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:33:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from hawkeyd@localhost) by sheol.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3L1XcP49377; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:33:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hawkeyd) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:33:38 -0500 From: D J Hawkey Jr To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory Message-ID: <20020420203338.A49337@sheol.localdomain> Reply-To: hawkeyd@visi.com References: <20020420195043.A49256@sheol.localdomain> <20020420180226.X15997-100000@master.gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020420180226.X15997-100000@master.gorean.org>; from DougB@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 06:06:21PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Apr 20, at 06:06 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, D J Hawkey Jr wrote: > > > > You should only have to do it once. Just do it for everything that > > > you care about. > > > > OK, this is one thing I'm still unclear about. "Do it once" when? After > > a new install, and 'sysinstall' is done with it? Once after an upgrade? > > Once after every upgrade, or just once after a new install? > > Only one of those actually qualifies as "once." :) Um, you mean "after a new install", then? Would I therefore be correct in inferring that what's is in place from a 4.5-REL[-pN] install (specifically, /etc/rc.conf [en|dis]abling whatever is in /etc/defaults/rc.conf) will actually result in the same runtime after an upgrade to 4.6-REL? > > How does this differ from current (i.e., 4.5-REL) practice? I'm still > > at a loss as to how what you're prescribing is different from past and > > present practices, given what [little] I've learned about your change > > since my first post. > > I think the problem here is that way more heat than light has been > thrown up around this change. My suggestion does not differ from what > people _should_ do after an install (IMO), but the problem is that not > many people ever get (or choose to follow) that advice. We-ell, to be fair, I think the heat is due to lack of light... I don't recall a "Best Practices" coming from you, or anyone, regarding rc.conf. Worded differently, I certainly don't recall anyone saying /etc/rc.conf should be an edited-down copy of /etc/defaults/rc.conf that guarantees what is up and down; not until yesterday, anyway. What I've seen has always stated that what's in /etc/rc.conf overrides what's in /etc/defaults/rc.conf; by changing the latter, you certainly may change someone's actual runtime, and that's one of (the last of, now) the things that bothers me. You've blown POLA out of the water, and without blatant warning or notification at the right time, that someone is gonna get hurt. Have I missed a reassurance somewhere? Dave -- ______________________ ______________________ \__________________ \ D. J. HAWKEY JR. / __________________/ \________________/\ hawkeyd@visi.com /\________________/ http://www.visi.com/~hawkeyd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message