From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Sep 8 19:34: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6942337B400 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD8A43E3B for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0454.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.43.199] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oENC-0000np-00; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:33:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3D7C0859.D56B2F7C@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:32:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? References: <200209090202.g89226125430@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Hayes wrote: > > Actually, the claim was for any non-arbitrary group of humanity, > > since the specific games in question require a shared Schelling > > point to be predictive. > > What makes a group non-arbitrary and gets them to share a Schelling > point? What makes them non-arbitrary is the fact that they share a Schelling point. > I provided a counter-example, like you wanted, and you tap dance > away. Is it any wonder I don't waste the time to prove anything or > provide testable evidence? Nature is not a valid counter example in the domain of designed systems. Foo, you are nothing but a charleton! > Well, then I was correct even by this definition. Simple vs complex is > arbitrary. Yeah, they are just "arbitrarily" antonyms... > >> > Why is money required, in your opinion, for someone to be able > >> > to act in a professional manner? > >> > >> Definition of "professional". "Engaging in a given activity as a > >> source of livelihood or as a career". > > > > Why is money required, in your opinion, for someone to be able > > to act in a professional manner? > > Definition of "professional". "Engaging in a given activity as a > source of livelihood or as a career". > > (Hmm, a sloop.) There's you're problem. You are using definition 2 instead of the primary definition. Professional: characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession. > > If the alternative is being burned at the stake for heresy, I > > can pretend... > > See? You aren't willing to give your life for the truth. ;) I'm willing to give my opponents life for the truth... ;^). > >> > Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "LA LA LA!" at the > >> > top of yout lungs doesn't make a problem go away. > >> > >> Just where did I suggest that? This is nothing like what I am > >> suggesting, which is a quick press of a particular key on your > >> keyboard. ;) > > > > "LA LA LA!" "I CAN'T READ YOU!" > > Ah! That "" adds an action to your original presentation. > In fact, you don't need to sing or shout, you can just > and get more effective results. |) Since when isn't sticking your fingers in your ear an action? > >> >> > Something is "proven" to me if it is the simplest explanation which > >> >> > fits all the facts. > >> >> > >> >> These are local maxima. > >> > > >> > Yes, they are. And your point is what? That the correct, but less > >> > simple, explanation might get lost in the noise? > >> > >> The complexity of the solution is irrelevant to it's measured > >> effectiveness. > > > > The effectiveness was granted with the conditional "which fits > > all the facts". > > That conditional is irrelavent to "simple". Sure it is. It's a modifier on the set of possible explanations. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message