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From: Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org>
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Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c
To: paul@originative.co.uk (Paul Richards)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:45:42 +0200 (EET)
Cc: jkh@osd.bsdi.com (Jordan Hubbard), kris@obsecurity.org,
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> 
> Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> > 
> > > but what about the sysadmin who has to support a real world environment
> > > where a product needs to be upgraded to fix a bug, a typical, real world
> > > application like say the web server, or database.
> > 
> > The sysadmin who has to do all of that doesn't need the ports
> > collection to hold his hand (or some other appendage) just to do
> > spot-upgrades of specific pieces.  You think Solaris admins never
> > upgrade Apache just because they don't have a ports collection?
> 
> The ports collection is one of FreeBSD's big selling points. It's so
> comprehensive that it's a real pity when you have to pollute /usr/local/
> on a box with files that aren't under the control of pkg_delete.
> 
> If it's the case that you have to give up on using one of FreeBSD's key
> features in order to keep up to date with patches in an application then
> that's a big loss in terms of the attractiveness of FreeBSD to the
> serious user. I've won around sysadmins to using FreeBSD because of the
> ease of maintaining ports but the ease-of-use claims look pretty flimsy
> when three months after installation you tell them they have to either
> upgrade to the latest FreeBSD release or give up on the ports collection
> and go back to doing things by hand if they want to keep up to date with
> their application releases.

I think that you are overdramatising the whole point. Usually only a very
small number of ports broke as the ports tree goes away from your -stable
release, and usually if that happens with some of the most-popular apps,
like samba or apache, they are quickly getting OSVERSION knobs to build
successfully on various -stable incarnations. After all nothing prevents
you as a responsible person from fixing it and submitting your fix back
as a PR for inclusion into the tree.

-Maxim

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