From owner-svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Tue Jul 7 10:47:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BC79942E0; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cloud.theravensnest.org", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AF5B1F6D; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:47:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from c124.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk (c124.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.18.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t67AlN2I083740 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:47:25 GMT (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Subject: Re: svn commit: r391493 - head/cad/tkgate From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <559BACBB.2030308@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 11:47:42 +0100 Cc: marino@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <15B6E028-2BD8-4E72-BD6E-BEC2ACBD4929@FreeBSD.org> References: <201507070635.t676Zaqw085725@repo.freebsd.org> <559B9C36.2060300@FreeBSD.org> <559BA1B2.4050002@marino.st> <559BA55C.2080701@FreeBSD.org> <559BAA0F.4030509@FreeBSD.org> <53EEEF45-07F5-4EFF-847D-C31B53917A70@FreeBSD.org> <559BACBB.2030308@FreeBSD.org> To: Vsevolod Stakhov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-BeenThere: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree for head List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:47:27 -0000 On 7 Jul 2015, at 11:40, Vsevolod Stakhov wrote: >=20 > I'm trying to say that's it's a bad practice to prefer base system > dependencies for the ports software. I disagree. > By nature, the ports are the > rolling release of software where we have the most recent versions of > software. Isn't it sane to prefer dependencies on the software > installed from the ports as well? By that logic, we should have a version of libc and all other libraries = in /usr/lib in ports, do rolling releases of them, and never have any = dependencies on anything in the base system from ports software. > This would also allow to upgrade > software easily (including security fixes, for example). The real problem is that upgrading the base system is harder than = upgrading ports. The fix for this is to make upgrading the base system = easier, not to remove all uses of the base system. David