From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 26 23:10:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23FD106566B for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554AA8FC13 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:10:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so851918fgg.12 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:10:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=cF2faHY59eVEnalKdhCJqChfUwjop8fi1oP8KT0vCIA=; b=pFhAcYXbm38YtzQRlCADY4t0y7bfJKMK7pUXTVJF7RqlDIKTgfIvSBBw/BxYRU/6IG MRtkHirprprDuVvicyV60F+NyM3onXrL8+ZbYIefIarHghki9xNfITDGPmJQHo1CoH1g xAAIHTodVNuW/cKS/paCh20TDkj6jgskSnDJs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=tqIPTO4hV3l52Jfo0vRVbr8C/2tQwqQCeogY9ZM7RYNez50hEB2h2CkWPJ8NfrX5tI 7m6S8G3MZz9U18y6QaMIeNOA2pzbJCkD0QqA5D6KksvOmoBQqT2ahqiF/M+5ACu/o7l1 jkeXMWZ6cLhkbSai2xSc69usmyaXVDsbPJ4B0= Received: by 10.86.89.20 with SMTP id m20mr1640381fgb.39.1238107811911; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.225.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm1034000fga.2.2009.03.26.15.50.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:50:13 +0300 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:50:13 +0300 From: Jeff Laine To: Barnaby Scott Message-ID: <20090326225013.GA1069@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Barnaby Scott , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <49CB957F.30807@waywood.co.uk> <20090326112408.8cf4aa95.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <49CBB771.4090704@waywood.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49CBB771.4090704@waywood.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-PRERELEASE i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine without X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:10:52 -0000 On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 05:12:17PM +0000, Barnaby Scott wrote: > Bill Moran wrote: > >In response to Barnaby Scott : > > > >>I'm sorry if I'm asking in the wrong place, but I have tried elsewhere > >>and go no response. > >> > >>I want to install wine, but without X on the system. > > > >Why would you expect this to be possible? The GUI is an integral part > >of MS Windows ... I can't imagine how wine would work at all without X > >installed -- which is probably why you're not getting any answers. > > > >Perhaps you should back up and consider what you're trying to accomplish. > >If you don't need a GUI, then what programs do you expect to run under > >wine, and is there some better way to get them? > > > > Thanks for your reply > > I know this is possible because I have seen discussion of it in Linux > and wine forums. I'm just too inexperienced to know which bits of the > instructions are OS-specific, and what other nightmares I might face. I > might be able to figure it all out by weeks of trial and error, but that > seems crazy if someone has been there before me! > > As for why I want it to run, that is because the application I want to > run is a bolt-on to a specific bit of rendering software that we use, > and there really is no viable non-Windows replacement in our situation - > believe me, if there was, I'd be using it. (In case you care, we are > talking about Vray for Rhino, which we use because we use Rhino, and > because we use Rhino we chose RhinoCAM, and because we chose RhinoCAM I > spent weeks writing software to make it talk to our CNC equipment, whose > controller is inextricably Windows-based... you get the picture!) > > In answer to the other replies (thanks to you guys too): > > Yes, wine is fine with just the command prompt. It is somewhat confusing > in that it offers a thing called wineconsole, but ironically that *does* > appear to require X. Just using wine without X is fine, so long as the > app does not attempt to open any sort of window, system tray etc. > > As for the 'cluttering' - I'm not so worried about disk space, that's > cheap these days. It's more a question of updating ports. When I once > made the mistake of installing X and various other things I turned out > not to need, the process of updating everything became a nightmare - > stuff breaking because I hadn't read the updating info for a bunch of > fonts or something stupid like that. Multiply that by 3 servers, and, > well, no thanks! wineconsole app seems working fine in terminal with no X at all. I ran it like this: ./wineconsole --backend=curses cmd -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) |