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TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[203.41.22.115:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.57)[-0.570]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.990]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1221, ipnet:203.40.0.0/13, country:AU]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:19:54 -0000 Jerry, Aryeh's suggestion of determining the cause of the problem would be beneficial as the PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666 appears to be caught in a non-reproducability trap. Eg "I have an X on version Y and no bug" will not allay anyone's concerns. Also reply 103 asserts that this problem doesn't exist on 11 (ie prior to 11.4). Perhaps pulling the iso's for 11.4 and using on a machine that reproduces the bug with 12.1 might be a more efficient path? Hans is clearly doing his best to address the issue but needs helpful information from our active community. Regards, Dewayne PS I appreciate the political turmoil, but lets keep freebsd-questions relevant to those seeking technical guidance. This list is often the newbie's first engagement with the FreeBSD community :)