From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:03:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67A016A4CE for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:03:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from tx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (tx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6794643FA3 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:03:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from scan1.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.166] helo=localhost) by tx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMIcq-0004QE-Gt for current@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:03:28 +0000 Received: from rx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.165]) by localhost (scan1.oucs.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.166]) (amavisd-new, port 25) with ESMTP id 16715-09 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:03:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.161.253]) by rx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMIcq-0004QB-3U for current@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:03:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 14573 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 2003 03:03:28 -0000 Received: from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk by gateway by uid 71 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.71. spamassassin: 2.53. Clear:. Processed in 5.802818 secs); 19 Nov 2003 03:03:28 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk via gateway X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.16 (Clear:. Processed in 5.802818 secs) Received: from dhcp1131.wadham.ox.ac.uk (HELO piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk) (163.1.161.131) by gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 03:03:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20031119025920.031d6970@popserver.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@popserver.sfu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:03:03 +0000 To: Garance A Drosihn From: Colin Percival In-Reply-To: References: <200311190238.hAJ2c1b4096141@apollo.backplane.com> <200311182307.hAIN7Wpm000717@dyson.jdyson.com> <20031118182148.P35215@pooker.samsco.home> <200311190238.hAJ2c1b4096141@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unfortunate dynamic linking for everything X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:03:31 -0000 At 21:54 18/11/2003 -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >Many freebsd users (me for one) are still living on a modem, >where even one bump of 1.5 meg is a significant issue... > >Remember that the issue we're talking about is security >updates, not full system upgrades. "Everyone" would want >the security updates, even if they're on a slow link. If people rebuild from source, the binary sizes don't affect the update time. If people use FreeBSD Update -- which is the only binary security update tool around -- then they're using binary patches, and that 1.5MB is actually closer to 10 kb. The bandwidth usage associated with updating a system is only a concern for people who roll their own binary update mechanism -- and those people aren't likely to be doing everything over a modem. Colin Percival