From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 19 09:41:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18DB1519; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 09:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78CD62C60; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 09:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id s5J9eMs8061460; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 19:40:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 19:40:22 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Matthew Seaman Subject: Re: No packages with 9.3-RELEASE? [was: Re: Port Changes FAQ] In-Reply-To: <53A27C2A.3040501@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20140619185202.F609@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20140619130115.M609@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <53A27C2A.3040501@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Chris Maness , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 09:41:18 -0000 On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 06:59:06 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 19/06/2014 04:31, Ian Smith wrote: > > > pkg(8) is default in 10.0 and will be default in all releases to come on > > > all branches from now on. Given that the declared EoL of the old > > > pkg_tools is due in September there's only one more release (9.3) that > > > could possibly not have pkg(8) as default: however, my understanding is > > > that there are no plans to provide any old-style packages with that release. > > > > Please elaborate, Matthew? This is the first I've heard of this, I've > > seen nothing in -stable or elsewhere, and I'm more than a bit alarmed. > > You managed to miss *all* the talk about pkg_tools being replaced by pkg(8)? Not at all; I'm well aware of that, and am reminded with each pkg_add :) I meant this is the first I've heard that a) 9.3 might not use pkg(8) as default and b) there may be no plans for old-style packages with 9.3, seeming to suggest no packages with 9.3; sorry if I misinterpreted you. > Note that I am not at all sure there will be no pkg_tools packages for > 9.3. However I can be sure that there won't be any updates (including > security updates) to any old-style pkg_tools package sets after a couple > of months. Fair enough. If there were pkg_tools packages with it, people would have a month or two to upgrade, but clearly switching to pkg(8) first would be better in terms of long-term support for 9.3. Like perhaps many folks, I'd much rather 9.3 be late than not as good as it can be. > > If 9.3 is not to have pkg(8) packages - whyever not? - and no old-style > > packages, does this mean no package set at all for probably the last 2 > > year extended release on the 9 branch? So will there be no DVD1 with a > > (relatively) consistent set of packages? Will there be no ports freeze? > > Because the old package tools are obsolete and due to be discontinued in > a few months? There will definitely be pkg(8) packages for 9.3. Ok, glad to hear that. So now it's just a matter of whether the install will support & use pkg(8) packages out of the box, especially from DVD. > There hasn't been a ports freeze for the last couple of releases; just a > slush and a moratorium on sweeping changes. Yeah well it's pot luck really if integration of particularly X and KDE, Gnome etc works out. KDE4 with 9.2-R was pretty iffy, but then I think KDE4 is generally sad, after using 3.5.10 happily on 8.2-R for years .. > There will be pkg(8) packages on the DVD installer images. If that > didn't work for you when installing 10.0 that's a bug. You know that > all supported branches have the default package repositories enabled now > (including 8.4-RELEASE and 9.2-RELEASE)? Do you also know how to turn > that off? Like this: > > echo 'FreeBSD: { enabled: no}' > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf Noticed that one just the other day; good to know if need be, thanks. > That should solve the problem with your systems wanting to connect to > the net. However, that 'install packages from installation media' > thing really should just work. I was crook with a bad 'flu for a fortnight recently, and thought I saw something about some string indicating a CD/DVD install somewhere, but haven't been able to find it; perhaps I was delerious and imagined it :) I'll dig out my notes from my 10.0-R install and see if I can chase that down .. it would be really handy for me at least if it worked from a memstick. My longer-term ambition is still to have up to 4 install DVDs bootable from the one (say) 8GB stick; that should be doable. And as soon as there's a 9.3 RC with a DVD with pkgs I'll give it a whirl from a memstick to help be sure that works ok before release. Thanks, Ian