From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 08:45:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A0420F for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:45:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from magetoo@fastmail.fm) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AF48FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8A620AF3; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.213]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:45:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= message-id:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:references; s=mesmtp; bh= gTbNY4UpfbxwJB3lHEPKI6nZdoo=; b=HQUUx6LvWfcKh6L2LyGRAP7tExQCnAn6 WwxQT1S2q+/MYnZm26H10j+r3/gA4leEpQYuT4Q7FeZJco0SMwtzMNJgxZEyZfMA hu6Dw2UnMVyWSPnjYkGQ+bP6aT7L28KlBtYnBKVJKntDgrwX8xC73nx4ZRo1ObIH jLVt4IgrrT8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:cc:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :references; s=smtpout; bh=gTbNY4UpfbxwJB3lHEPKI6nZdoo=; b=IJS6t 9z6jSJG/gZCmKe5nESsp1Ni489niYFwIpfxP7LNkU6D4d59eM0cFYxD84pDC7Syq yqzZh8CoeBvRDEyF3ngU/xDtn0OznGAa5ODgbUii5xwbx5O8Lymhf1Q2l12H2A5v HSXFah1Vtajmkh1gdLKPbo7+pKU6JUmbUD8BWA= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id CC6AD3A0E8A; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:45:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1352882728.28075.140661153435965.302F0E4C@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: HrCr89geTHwZqxk7z2eQqQTbIQuItzsXeHB5q9VqUFM5 1352882728 From: Magnus Eriksson To: matthew sporleder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Subject: Re: Unified BSD? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:45:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Cc: misc@openbsd.org, users@dragonflybsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:45:31 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 14:18, Martin wrote: > My point is about the possibility of creating a new BSD project (with > separate developers) that aims for 100% compatibility with at least > FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and maybe DragonflyBSD. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 22:43, matthew sporleder wrote: > If you are interested in generating linux-like "buzz" advocate > hardware manufacturers and industry types to fund (with money) > development of drivers. Not a developer, but here's something I've been thinking about: Are there perhaps some *parts* of the major BSDs (kernel interfaces, file formats) that could benefit from being unified / standardized? Maybe at least a subset of syscalls and libraries that could be agreed on and declared stable forever so that simple binaries can run? That is something that's already being done for Linux compatibility - except for the bit about stability. But why should I have to keep Linux binaries around for handling weird archive formats? I think matthew is basically right; but if there was only one single target to develop for, with a big fat sign on it saying simply "BSD", I'd bet that arguing for getting things written - graphics drivers or userland tools for managing ones RAID setup, or whatever would end up being feasible - would be easier. In my daydreams (slightly less unrealistic than the mail that started the discussion) I'm sending an email to a developer that says "Hey, you can get four done in one shot, and it's also a standard. And did I mention that Apple and the Minix project have been using lots of code from the BSD projects? Want to bet they'll adopt this too?". Yeah, I need to get out more, but you get the point. Magnus