From owner-freebsd-current Fri Oct 18 13:57:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E24637B404; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A174C43EA9; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Scott_Long@adaptec.com) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11] (may be forged)) by magic.adaptec.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g9IKvZ509789; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OTCEXC01.otc.adaptec.com (otcexc01.otc.adaptec.com [10.12.1.27]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11525; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by otcexc01.otc.adaptec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4TQCXBB3>; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:57:34 -0400 Message-ID: <6100BCEB85F8E244959C756C04E0EDD161CAD8@otcexc01.otc.adaptec.com> From: "Long, Scott" To: "'Kris Kennaway'" , Scott Long Cc: current@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: RE: cdrtools doesn't build on -current Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:57:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 01:37:02AM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > > > **Warning, rant** > > The ports collection is one of the crown jewels of FreeBSD. > > Unfortunately, even as more ports committers are added, more and > > more ports break or become harder to build. On top of that, > > pkg_add has become close to worthless now that the -r feature > > is so fragile. If 5.0 goes out and popular ports don't build, > > it will hurt the image of FreeBSD. Please, take a break from > > adding new ports and/or maintaining your pet ports and fix some > > of the broken-ness. > > IMO, the fault for this lies mostly with source committers who break > backwards-compatibility and then don't bother to clean up after their > changes (i.e. don't consider the impact of their changes beyond the > source tree). I don't think ports committers have been responsible > for breaking about a thousand ports like source developers have over > the past year or so. > > Having said that, we do badly need ports committers to work on fixing > broken ports for 5.0-RELEASE. > > Kris Yes, I'm sorry if it sounded like I was picking on the ports committers. Changes due to standards compliance, architecture changes, etc, all wreak havoc on ports, and hopefully the pace of that will slow down. Unfortunately, the direction of FreeBSD is what it is, and the onus is on the ports maintainers to keep their ports up to date and working. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message