From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 15 20:35:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A53714F30 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21257; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904160331.UAA21257@implode.root.com> To: Brett Glass Cc: Lee Cremeans , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Jordan the Confused (Was: Jordan The Evil!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:04:25 MDT." <4.2.0.32.19990415205608.00c78d10@localhost> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:31:22 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >At 10:43 PM 4/15/99 -0400, Lee Cremeans wrote: > >>All Brett sees is "Linux is beating us. I FSCKING HATE LINUX. Somethign >>Needs To Be Done." > >Bull. Perhaps YOU are full of irrational hatred (and therefore project it), >but I am not. > >I see FreeBSD's continued failure to emerge into the limelight, in >contrast with Linux's runaway success, as the result of serious problems >in public relations, promotion, and advocacy. In particular, Jordan >Hubbard's refusal to acknowledge his own shortcomings as a PR person, >as well as WHAT WORKS, are to blame. It's your perception that is broken. FreeBSD has in the past and continues to grow at nearly the _exact_ same exponential growth curve that Linux has; we're just about 2 years behind them and considering that they actually started two years before FreeBSD was formed, this should come as no surprise. It's definately not an even playing field and Linux clearly has a time advantage. There is definately room for improvement. While you have philosophical differences with Jordan, you must realize that we have grown from nothing to an estimated 2 million installed base and that we ARE quite successful in our advocacy efforts to date. You want more...great! Go for it! As I said to you in private email, you will never get official support for raving zealotry from the FreeBSD Project core. We've worked hard for more than 6 years to cultivate a professional reputation and we're not about to sacrifice that professionalism in an attempt at increasing market share. If you want to do that, as a disconnected part of the FreeBSD user community, then that's your business, but we (core) can't be part of it. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message