From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 4 10:01:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290902CB04B for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 10:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Fz0d6dFbz3yZm for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 10:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.24.37]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N30VJ-1j1KWg2lDR-013QWv; Mon, 04 May 2020 12:01:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 12:01:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Local_unbound and (opn)vpn Message-Id: <20200504120151.d82a5a04.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200504104935.c3106837a6582028853b623f@sohara.org> References: <20200504054312.GA73151@mithril.foucry.net> <20200504080728.GC73151@mithril.foucry.net> <20200504104935.c3106837a6582028853b623f@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:99HGg8ohaln0dpXpfoqnecTo+2+F2/IAZ7jQxxRWw9qmDgfvYBZ njohcHxnta2feRI3VDsJb7EPnP+DuWGvTeYqz+qLFChOr9AeXOOaiwSKcG4xOjLF+Q81V+x xKTuzU6pOiHBpPvpy9QT/yvBZdiSRytmWn4tVn6bkiXR/y8RcOrwh0Ue8n+AFfXpOrq8vsb PzyRbY+PWz1mCsikKOnfg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:qAo0Ez1cfHQ=:HUJKDK0un0VgQKCEKyLshM 4X62Nf8vnCmb6YHIqHCZQErNT64o2a0UBqecZO8tFnjskPy7MBCgCz9oTApthjaaDovSeEUEg eEfVm1QVvV5A+P0mFTKzxztWp/zJTUqly4fTOpe3aE+MDym4jBZFMt7j17wX9AYTsXN0h4F6J NQBJwCQUzz0TWbYzeCa20MDz0riScK6U9Z+5/u6PY4+nG8hESXnaU6jev+4heSwJ1DTDctfDr uV3a1X8aD+YCYo+eXnG1/KSd8ktAgJtL/RjRiHRLnwROyO5WOfqbjqz9EFbqLCic1B4PFa0up ouOoqypUa0OdwUhhA1Z3zDuqWrHb5Rs7o6OWX+YGmD0LpEtN/TFRYgFs26Gx6WE/XFKbw77aM +oefH5d5aHTcaq4cv+75BK1tDcDGC0JHVmTiWmR/opfxw8/PEHExEnpz1yB1H/F/au+j9bFmz yxzDCqnF+01VROskQEsrgaATa0ZrimzlxnYVt3d9PnhtN2wRuYGNylTQinl2IOSzEk+RdaIqM TD5dPetVhCD9GfcTFf4EMdEEo4nNnji9S6YMV9XbazbmFQUIps4y+8EE6GVRAkpUkVpsjgbVA wdtxhRc3PvCsMCay4bTg3DibTD7HU8zVYZZtZfHd20qXdyLQqO9VFq26IyL9JE/54BAEKZYE5 St84o65qIhuXtXBazA4huGgMNQ17cGfdrpSlslDCuI8y0KCMHhUmiF3j77K69TKt0f6FbrEKQ fVWo23hHxnCrn93NeQbyL+IzKeFFUfp5s88i7dkewkwBI5iTC415Q/QBFHYIhHEkRB4u9Ar5o piZIxDg+bAsvK4rxaAXFruUCtE1A9/wwMoxxeydhSxsh6nJNxXJ8AsjAiMaFrqhkQsCCO0z X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Fz0d6dFbz3yZm X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.42 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[37.24.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.64)[0.643,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.992,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.39)[ip: (1.13), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.21), asn: 8560(2.03), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 10:01:55 -0000 On Mon, 4 May 2020 10:49:35 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 2020 10:07:28 +0200 > Jacques Foucry wrote: > > > Well forgot my question. The solution was in this mail :-) > > > > I was thinking duriong writing but not testing before sending it. > > Doing this in person is a powerful debugging technique known as > 'cardboard man debugging' because the person having the problem explained > to feels like they could have been a cardboard cutout. If I remember correctly, the modern terminology for this kind of action is "rubberducking". It's also available as a web-based cloud-hosted ML VR SaaS, of course... ;-) Sidenote: When you're able to explain something, no matter if to a real person or a bardboard cutout, a rubber duck or your cat, you have proven that you actually understand what you're dealing with. Requesting explanations is also a good method to filter for "knowledge actors" (impostors who think their expensive suit, their shiny certificate or their gorgeous job title can compensate their lack of knowledge). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...