From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 18:15:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC791065672 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E8B8FC23 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so1192849ika.3 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:15:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Klr3FpFFiv5ILpFgUngQLT3nlwC4YIhAbXDPs1zBiLs=; b=j8VJylwS4rNhf/Zh2yubBzLRZL4Oe26E0p9Ryc83ghoekVyBsCfLk6hp3SAk2Uaaau efn8r/2JO9QJoYRmHEJqNM3qf8WGDUPmU2OWxBFzmc+QMAQjaLLtPuzfKpdTGZG66FJ3 As+nxB4b3WzeC4NG/MvzNCmqc6MNnibsk3Q1U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CZu+P0udm41p1ffPKI6sn5DT9b6YUGgg8Oya+1T5PRfFsx5EXQJ47SSS2j1Z65XQuc SbkpcteGfEJjf0TAhmS4MaCNOhkHmu2UxiR01d5gWGLDe48/E5whBU2lxpgcLgDpuZxn UIHCNFDGEajhWRA3ASwRVa+/WtJvZOIgCoj2o= Received: by 10.210.59.3 with SMTP id h3mr1261605eba.122.1233080113751; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z40sm31280670ikz.13.2009.01.27.10.15.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:15:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:09 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090127181509.66221353@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090127174717.S18021@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20090123191547.fd43d651.ejcerejo@optonline.net> <20090126150019.387d538b.freebsd@edvax.de> <92bcbda50901260702h503648b6gc5c17b1ae9f211e@mail.gmail.com> <200901270831.24856.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <1233039375.1202.24.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20090127160434.74f04bef@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090127174717.S18021@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: KDE: What a monster! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:15 -0000 On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:52:31 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > had either followed the Debian approach of keeping KDE3 as the > > default, or the FreeBSD approach of leaving it up to the user there > > wouldn't have been such a problem. One of the worst aspect of OSS > > is the pervasive attitude that software is either bleeding-edge, or > > it's obsolete. > > it's not OSS problem but general problem with all software. this > problem started with commercial software some years ago because > PEOPLE WANTED THIS. I'm not talking about what you would call bloat, I'm talking about the use of software that's little better than a prototype, and people that would rather use unstable software than software that's a few months old. That is very much an OSS problem. > for X window system just use some small windows manager that (as > name suggest) manages windows on screen and JUST START program you > use. IMO these basic window managers are ok if you *only* use them via a keyboard, but if you ever use a mouse they're very poor ergonomically.