From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 1 21:44:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2B6106566B for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 21:44:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654638FC1E for ; Sat, 1 May 2010 21:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o41Li1u0063866; Sat, 1 May 2010 14:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 1 May 2010 14:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 14:44:00 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20100501214400.GA50184@thought.org> References: <20100501015705.GA46858@thought.org> <20100501041913.81a34394.freebsd@edvax.de> <20100501030350.GB46985@thought.org> <20100501052055.9def3399.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100501052055.9def3399.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, GUARANTEED_100_PERCENT,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on ethic.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: ziz a dumb question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 21:44:09 -0000 On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 05:20:55AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:03:50 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:19:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i > > > > figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient > > > > than what came before. > > > > > > Oh, you mean that a "modern" desktop PC consumes as much power > > > as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common > > > PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-) > > > > > > > Yeah, gee-whiz :) > > Incorrect values: 4 times as big and 8 times as heavy - but > the same power consumption. :-) > > > > > i've thought about this for at Least ten years.... why not > > have 4 CRT's or xterminals hanging off one very beefy > > machine? but do they have anything with graphics and > > keyboard + mouse that can work via one USB port/jack? > > Don't confuse my use of "network terminal" with classic serial > terminals. Look, for example, at the devices AXEL builds, or > already present for many years: Sun Ray terminals. They also > have audio I/O, card reader, and USB connectors (where the > keyboard and mouse usually are connected). A regular monitor > (maybe with speakers) makes it a full-featured workstation. > But no data users can mess around with, and its power requirements > are really low. > > Our university's library had many of them, and I liked them > because they were completely silent (in difference to the > boring beige PC boxes they scattered around the library). > > You can find specs of an AXEL terminal as exemple here: > > http://www.axel.com/usa2/prod_ax3.html?mv2_pos=1 > > They're calling it "thin client", but it's terminal. A box > where you plug in a screen and a keyboard and connect it > to a network IS a terminal. :-) > i'll check it out when i'm using evo or kmail. i'm using my olden mutt rt now. with me, one issue is that i just bought a 20" widescreen that i use [via KVA] for most of my computers. o/wise, i like the idea. sure save on power; maybe even help save the Earth, altho it may be too late. > > > > i'm > > sure my wasted cycles could be put to very good use. > > Today's average users are treating their high-end HPC PCs > as worse typewriters, so there are enough cycles to use. :-) > yeah, you can put that in a do-loop ... i do more reading/research theses days, so not even a fancy typewriter!! > > > > but it > > would mean haning off a second display/kybd/mouse. > > Which is no problem using network terminals, everything you need > is a LAN (or maybe even WLAN) connection. i do have a [TINY] LAN. i use ssh mostly, but kvm too. > > Still, multiple GPUs is possible, but results in a major raise > of power consumption (because you have to use a "modern" GPU). > Multiple input devices is no problem via USB. > > > > > the ARM/A-9 chip looks great. its a RISC chip that is super > > efficient. gang four A9's in one package:: low power and at > > least 2GHZ .... the only drawback is that the a9 is only > > 32bits. So we cannot try to calcale the 7th root of > > infinity, :-) > > ARM is an efficient platform in terms of energy, and I think > it will be more and more important in the future, especially > if you consider the mobile devices market. And when it's good > at running on battery, it's good on running on AC power. When > the industry comes up with "extra new energy efficient PC > hardware", we already know that it existed for years. :-) > at the linux meeting last month someone mentioned that the ARM chip might be a good place for the linux/free-OS types to do major work. the parts for the A9 are already available. or almost. it wouldn't take much to build a very effivirnt pc-class box. max it out with 4g of ram, and maybe 64g of SSD. linux, bsd, save-the-earth lowpower? it is coming; just a matter of who wants to be a zillionaire... . > > > > i mean, come-on-people, get real. 4G of ram > > ought to be Plenty!! > > Hey, 640 kB should be enough for everyone. :-) > lolololol. (best laugh this week) > > > > i'm trying to// or i'm =thinking about= getting rid of my > > pfSense machine. i used ifp for *yesrs* with no breakins. > > So NOBODY got into my poetry!! > > That's what they want to make you believe. :-) > > > > > according to my /var/log/.log files, the only crackins > > were from kiddie-scripters. i squashed them. > > By using means of blocking for known script-kiddie sources, you > can get rid of a lot of useless traffic - and possible trouble. > > i ran my script every few hours for 6, 8 months, then finally had no more hits. there is a finite number of those kiddies:) gary > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel