From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 11 14: 3:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4664C37B417 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from colt.ncptiddische.net (ppp-296.wobline.de [212.68.71.17]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/tw-20010821) with ESMTP id fBBM3LA06683; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:03:21 +0100 Received: from tisys.org (poison.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.5]) by colt.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBBM4YT03119; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:04:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: (from nils@localhost) by tisys.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBBM3Wi05227; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:03:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:02:57 +0100 From: Nils Holland To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: EzBSD aint for me! Was: A breath of fresh air.. Message-ID: <20011211230257.A5157@tisys.org> Mail-Followup-To: Mike Meyer , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <01121010202100.00345@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <20011211144049.A14693@acidpit.org> <20011211214943.A4489@tisys.org> <15382.29599.349155.309028@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15382.29599.349155.309028@guru.mired.org>; from mwm-dated-1008536351.4c2495@mired.org on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 02:59:11PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD poison.ncptiddische.net 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE X-Machine-Uptime: 10:39PM up 11:02, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 02:59:11PM -0600, Mike Meyer stood up and spoke: > > I have nothing against making FreeBSD easier to use or more > "user-friendly". Just so long as changes that make it friendlier don't > make it less stable, less reliable, less secure, or less flexible. Exactly! What is being sold as user-friendly today is a kind of "one size fits all" system. However, such a thing cannot really be friendly at all, since it makes certain assumptions that all users are equal. However, a system is *not* really friendly until it works for each user as much conforming to that individual's work habits and preferences. It is currently possible to do many things on FreeBSD multiple ways. Ports and packages are an example. Using commands to set up disks compared to using sysinstall to do the same is another one. Away from the base system, the ports tree adds even more possibilities - I have a dozen or so email programs to chose from. User friendliness doesn't neccessarily have to be the opposite of expert friendliness - contrary to popular belief spread by a big software company. FreeBSD can suit both needs, on the one hand booting right into a KDE GUI, on the other hand running entirely in console mode. That is friendly, as it allows users to choose what they prefer and really need. Needless to say, there's nothing wrong with making FreeBSD more user friendly, as long as that doesn't interfere with its flexibility and its other current strengths. Greeting Nils -- Nils Holland Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message