From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 12 08:36:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA11192 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uk.ns.eu.org ([194.117.157.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA11187 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from aledm@localhost) by uk.ns.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA13210; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:35:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:35:36 +0100 (BST) From: Aled Morris X-Sender: aledm@uk.ns.eu.org To: Jamie Bowden cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTN Emacs users; new Zile release In-Reply-To: <199709121456.KAA17804@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Jamie Bowden wrote: > Does anyone here actually get the point that a newbie can't use emacs > anymore than they can use vi? I hate ee as much as the rest of you, but > it's small, and it tells the newbie which keys do what, which vi and emacs > don't do. I get the point entirely - my point is that ee is OK for newbies, especially with those features you describe, but it doesn't have to reinvent keymapping! Emacs "C-e" for EOL, "C-a" for BOL are just fine. Ee even supports these mappings, BUT my complaint is that the bogus ones are the default. Aled -- tel +44 973 207987 O- aledm@routers.co.uk