From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 4 10:14:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29402CB6A2 for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 10:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100048c8cfe.be1370b02639a277bbbbe73279fa5423@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49FzHL08tzz40YG for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 10:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100048c8cfe.be1370b02639a277bbbbe73279fa5423@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1588587278; x=1591179278; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=hrtSbX5vwk03+BWQfVxETmhITSJnQpd39Og4CarIKJk=; b=Iit4FhvuEkNgb4MCCnlsfEwZOfRHdASIx/S95VtTMuGEl7hB7HKDVzP/Ias8EknNJIPZPZLjEO3hsODvte9p+yGSM4LbTV1rpPFR51MqVezBXzAg8TTnKAJ22WdoPBterH5g8kxhVsNltvCwMekhuq1JR/qWY20u/a+8FNf6n7k= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDQ4YzhjZmUuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 4 May 2020 06:14:35 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 4 May 2020 06:14:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jVY7N-0007kQ-RV; Mon, 04 May 2020 11:14:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 11:14:33 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Local_unbound and (opn)vpn Message-Id: <20200504111433.6176fee26e4f284108323517@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200504120151.d82a5a04.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200504054312.GA73151@mithril.foucry.net> <20200504080728.GC73151@mithril.foucry.net> <20200504104935.c3106837a6582028853b623f@sohara.org> <20200504120151.d82a5a04.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49FzHL08tzz40YG X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=Iit4Fhvu; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c100048c8cfe.be1370b02639a277bbbbe73279fa5423@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c100048c8cfe.be1370b02639a277bbbbe73279fa5423@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.978,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; IP_SCORE(0.02)[ip: (-0.21), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.30), asn: 7381(0.08), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100048c8cfe.be1370b02639a277bbbbe73279fa5423@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100048c8cfe.be1370b02639a277bbbbe73279fa5423@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 10:14:38 -0000 On Mon, 4 May 2020 12:01:51 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 2020 10:49:35 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 4 May 2020 10:07:28 +0200 > > Jacques Foucry wrote: > > > > > Well forgot my question. The solution was in this mail :-) > > > > > > I was thinking duriong writing but not testing before sending it. > > > > Doing this in person is a powerful debugging technique known as > > 'cardboard man debugging' because the person having the problem > > explained to feels like they could have been a cardboard cutout. > > If I remember correctly, the modern terminology for this > kind of action is "rubberducking". It's also available as > a web-based cloud-hosted ML VR SaaS, of course... ;-) Some people just can't resist over-engineering a solution. Eliza would do fine and happily run locally (even running the original under emulation would barely show as load on the cheapest smartphone around today). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/